highaltitude.log.20120527

[00:01] <RocketBoy> yeah - just in a feild - bit difficut to find as it was below the crop top
[00:02] <RocketBoy> just spied the chute
[00:02] <daveake_> You mean the red handkerchief? :p
[00:03] <RocketBoy> na a 18" spherachuute
[00:03] <daveake_> Ah. Much easier to see
[00:04] <daveake_> The extra weight cost you a new record ;)
[00:04] <gonzo_> hate to leave the party early, but only getting occasional decodes now and need some kip
[00:04] <gonzo_> gn all
[00:04] <daveake_> nn
[00:04] <RocketBoy> nn
[00:04] <daveake_> My aerial is down now - couldn't get anything from Eurus so I gave up in the end
[00:05] <jcoxon> gonzo, thanks for listening
[00:05] <navrac> cant hear it on the iom globaltuner - strugglingtokeep it connectedtoo
[00:06] <jcoxon> no worries
[00:06] <jcoxon> i've got it here
[00:06] <jcoxon> the signal comes in phases
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[00:08] <navrac> is it just carrier at the moment?
[00:08] <jcoxon> no
[00:08] <jcoxon> txing now
[00:08] <daveake_> Right, nn all. Need to be up earlyish tomorrow to prepare tomorrow's BBQ. Good luck jcoxon hope it's stays floating and in range well into tomo... today.
[00:09] <jcoxon> yeah
[00:09] <jcoxon> :-)
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[00:09] <navrac> off globaltuners Im just getting a single tone - but if I change the tune freq, the tones not changing so i guess somethings wrong
[00:10] <jcoxon> nah that sounds like GT
[00:10] <jcoxon> i'll keep an eye on it
[00:15] Action: jcoxon announes a rollcall of those still awake and tracking...
[00:15] Action: SpeedEvil is not tracking.
[00:15] <SpeedEvil> :/
[00:15] <SpeedEvil> I need to sell my stamps.
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[00:19] <navrac> awake... but aerial lead wont reach receiver
[00:20] <MIchael_VK5ZEA> I'm hearing Horus26 telemetry... but cannot decode... left my audio cable at home... grrrr.
[00:21] <pschulz01> [update] darkside: alt 14.8km 3.5m/s vel 88km/h(east)
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[00:22] <pschulz01> VK5ZEA:Whereare you?
[00:23] <VK5ZEY> can hear dwlinlk on s1 in golden gove sa
[00:24] <pschulz01> VK5ZEY: Hehe.. ok. If you were in Mildura I might have been able to help you.
[00:24] Nick change: pschulz01 -> VK5FPAW-3
[00:26] <VK5ZEY> dwnlink noe at s3
[00:30] <MIchael_VK5ZEA> Woo Hoo... just had a contact through the cross-band repeater at 24km altitude!
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[00:30] <jcoxon> improved yagi position
[00:31] <RocketBoy> still tracking it from suffolk?
[00:31] <jcoxon> yeah
[00:31] <RocketBoy> amazing
[00:31] <jcoxon> f6agv is still getting it!
[00:32] <RocketBoy> now thats really amazing
[00:32] <griffonbot> @vk5fsck: horus 26 is nearly at alt. of 25Km, can hear telemetary but can't decode #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/vk5fsck/status/206543474269495296]
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[00:36] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: #ukhas Eurus high altitude balloon still floating at 33km! Past Manchester - looking for local radio listeners to help track 434.200Mhz [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/206544452582510593]
[00:43] <VK5FPAW-3> MIchael_VK5ZEA: Cool, I think I heard you.
[00:43] <jcoxon> better signal now
[00:43] <VK5ZEY> still unable to access
[00:44] <VK5FPAW-3> Horus repeater is getting hammered.
[00:45] <VK5ZEY> sounds like it
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[00:47] <jcoxon> so we send Upu a balloon to track and he is not even there
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[00:53] <MIchael_VK5ZEA> I am near Port Lincoln in South Aust. Check for VK5ZEA-8 and VK5ZEA-6 on aprs.fi
[00:53] <Darkside> hey all
[00:53] <Darkside> just back in 3g range
[00:54] <MIchael_VK5ZEA> I need to find a small 240v inverter that is quieter than the one I am using now...
[00:54] <VK5FPAW-3> Darkside: Balloon tracking OK. starting to get a little noisy here.
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[00:57] <VK5FPAW-3> Darkside: Good report from horus repeater
[00:57] <Jan-> Wow this is cool
[00:57] Action: Jan- knows very little of high altitude balloon experiments and their electronics, but finds it all really awesome!
[00:58] <SamSilver_> jcoxon: nice flight
[00:58] <Peter_VK5KX> Mark, do you have a preference for which balloon I am to track??
[00:58] <jcoxon> SamSilver_, still going...
[00:58] <jcoxon> very strange flight path
[00:58] <jcoxon> unexpected
[00:59] <jcoxon> Jan-, you've come to the right place
[00:59] <SamSilver_> doing sharp turns dispite the height
[00:59] <SamSilver_> no wales
[00:59] <jcoxon> well winds have all been going west
[00:59] <jcoxon> didn't expect it to go north
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[01:00] <Jan-> I heard about a really cool UK balloon that went almost all the way to Russia before they lost it.
[01:00] <Jan-> Now that was cool.
[01:00] <jcoxon> SamSilver_, coming up to 10hrs
[01:00] <SamSilver_> at 34841m it did a right turn
[01:00] <Jan-> It'd be great to get involved with something like that but I suspect my ability to wrangle Rover from The Prisoner is limited :)
[01:01] <jcoxon> Jan-, you uk based?
[01:01] <Jan-> Yup.
[01:01] <SamSilver_> jcoxon: local time 03h00 time for some sleep
[01:01] <Jan-> For my sins :)
[01:01] <SamSilver_> nn
[01:01] <jcoxon> SamSilver_, i;m holding the fort
[01:01] <SamSilver_> k will e back in 1.5 hrs
[01:01] <Jan-> where areyou guys?
[01:02] <SamSilver_> south africa
[01:02] <jcoxon> i launched the balloon that is flying right now
[01:02] <jcoxon> in the UK
[01:02] <Jan-> ohh awesome
[01:02] <SamSilver_> nn 4 sure now
[01:02] <Jan-> where did you launch it, and where is it now?
[01:02] <jcoxon> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[01:03] <Jan-> Oh, sorry dudes, I can't see pictures. I'm using a screenreader.
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[01:03] <jcoxon> oh right, well from Suffolk
[01:03] <Jan-> I'm in Essex
[01:03] <jcoxon> currently its just past manchester
[01:03] <jcoxon> (though this is a special flight - not normal)
[01:03] <Jan-> oh hey I thought they normally went west.
[01:04] <jcoxon> this one is floating
[01:04] <Jan-> did you keep it at low altitude or something
[01:04] <jcoxon> most just ascend till they burst
[01:04] <jcoxon> we got it to float at 35km altitude
[01:04] <Jan-> Oh. Active altitude control?
[01:04] <jcoxon> not this one
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[01:05] <jcoxon> by underfilling it gets to a point where it can't burst
[01:05] <jcoxon> as in the pressure inside = outside
[01:05] <Jan-> But if it keeps going west won't it go out over the atlantic in the end?
[01:05] <jcoxon> uhuh
[01:05] <jcoxon> :-D
[01:05] <Jan-> But you'll lose contact with him!
[01:05] <jcoxon> this is the first flight of a number
[01:06] <jcoxon> to perhaps cross the atlantic
[01:06] <studdentt> do you guys have real time communication with these balloons?
[01:06] <jcoxon> can do
[01:06] <Jan-> D'you have someone in say newfoundland waiting to see if he makes it all the way over
[01:06] <SpeedEvil> Real-time - downlink - usually.
[01:06] <jcoxon> this one is just downlinking
[01:06] <studdentt> like <1 s
[01:06] <SpeedEvil> Uplink - only rarely in the UK
[01:06] <SpeedEvil> It's more common in the US.
[01:06] <jcoxon> in Oz right now is doing both
[01:06] <Jan-> what does "voice repeater" mean
[01:07] <studdentt> SpeedEvil: whats so special in the US for uplink ?
[01:07] <Darkside> talk-through repeater
[01:07] <Darkside> we are making contacs through it
[01:07] <Darkside> its awesome
[01:07] <jcoxon> so people are using it to get the audio further
[01:07] <Jan-> Isn't that a rather expensive bit of hardware to put on a balloon you won't be able to recover?
[01:07] <Darkside> we're almost below it atm
[01:07] <jcoxon> Jan-, this is a different flight
[01:07] <jcoxon> they are following it
[01:07] <studdentt> maybe more land noise-free
[01:07] <Jan-> "horus 26/27?"
[01:08] <Darkside> Jan-: two balloons in teh air
[01:08] <Darkside> we're going after the DARKSIDE balloon
[01:08] <Darkside> the other chase team is going after the HORUS balloon
[01:08] <Jan-> I'm not sure how this all works
[01:08] <Jan-> I've got horus 26/27
[01:08] <Darkside> Jan-: see the cars on the ma?
[01:08] <Jan-> eurus
[01:08] <Darkside> i'm in the red car
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[01:09] <Darkside> oh
[01:09] <Jan-> I don't see pics, Darkside.
[01:09] <Darkside> you're probably seeing the EURUS balloon
[01:09] <Jan-> But I get the idea.
[01:09] <Darkside> Jan-: look over australia
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[01:09] <Michael_VK5ZEA_> Just long my 3G connection... back now.
[01:09] <jcoxon> Darkside, are you planning to float horus?
[01:09] <VK5ZEY> not sure if we will be able to get in today
[01:09] <Darkside> jcoxon: maybe
[01:09] <Darkside> we'd rather it didn't
[01:09] <Darkside> but we can cut it down if it does
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[01:09] <Jan-> cut it down?
[01:09] <Darkside> ok out of range
[01:09] <Darkside> cya
[01:10] <Jan-> you mean sever the balloon?
[01:10] <VK5ZEY> im in adelaide
[01:10] Action: Jan- waves her arms!
[01:10] <Jan-> This is so cool!
[01:10] <VK5FPAW-3> Darkside: Need a better labels for the cars..
[01:10] <VK5ZEY> just watching the sat maps
[01:10] <Jan-> Balloons floating over australia! People chasing after them!
[01:10] <VK5FPAW-3> *waves back
[01:10] <SpeedEvil> Jan-: On kangaroos.
[01:11] <Jan-> Well I was trying to avoid any overt taking the piss out of australians.
[01:11] <jcoxon> i had a feeling considering hte ascent rate
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[01:11] <Jan-> so those guys launched from where?
[01:12] <VK5ZEY> Mildura Victoria
[01:12] <Jan-> And they're literally chasing it across the outback in cars?
[01:12] <jcoxon> Jan-, just trying to think of a way to make this more accessible for you
[01:12] Action: Jan- is in awe!
[01:12] <jcoxon> interesting technical challenge!
[01:12] <Jan-> Don't worry about it. It's just fun.
[01:12] <Jan-> wow, 33000 meters?
[01:12] <jcoxon> well it would be useful generally e.g. when driving
[01:12] <Jan-> that's over 100,000 feet
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[01:14] <Jan-> don't you guys run into trouble with various aviation regulators
[01:14] <jcoxon> we have permission
[01:14] <Jan-> I mean, I wouldn't want to run into a small but sturdily built electronics package in a Cessna 152
[01:14] <jcoxon> we have to coordinate with ATC
[01:14] <Jan-> "oh dear, I seem to have received someone's science project in the face at 200mph"
[01:14] <jcoxon> but most of our flight time is above the normal airspace
[01:14] <Jan-> well, I guess.
[01:14] <Jan-> Not many people at FL1000
[01:15] <Jan-> and if they are they're probably an american spyplane, so stuff 'em :)
[01:16] <Jan-> one query though
[01:16] <jcoxon> 2000 strings for Eurus balloon
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[01:16] <Jan-> if they're out in the middle of australia, how are they even talking to us?
[01:16] <Jan-> satphone internet?
[01:16] <Jan-> surely there's no 3G out there
[01:16] <jcoxon> there is patchy 3g
[01:16] <jcoxon> also people are communicating via the balloon
[01:17] Action: Jan- is forced to recalibrate the previous maximum level of her personal coolometer to accomodate the degree of geek that's going on here
[01:17] <Jan-> can I ask a rude question: why? :)
[01:17] <vk5fj> there is plenty of chatter viat he horus repeater
[01:17] <VK5FPAW-3> jcoxon: HAMMERING the balloons repeater more like it.
[01:17] <vk5fj> VK5FPAW-3: yes
[01:18] <vk5fj> wonder how much battery it has left ;)
[01:18] <jcoxon> Jan-, this is purely for fun
[01:18] <Jan-> Well I'm enjoying it
[01:18] <VK5FPAW-3> vk5fj: It's going to cut itself down :-)
[01:18] <Jan-> and I'm 15000 miles away :D
[01:18] <Peter_VK5KX> Yep, listening to Horus repeater and tracking Darkside balloon :-)
[01:18] <jcoxon> pushing boundaries of science
[01:18] <jcoxon> for example the uk floating balloon is defining the predictions
[01:18] <Jan-> are all these VK people aussie radio hams
[01:18] <jcoxon> Jan-, most are
[01:19] <vk5fj> Peter_VK5KX: you got more than a faint carrier on the data frew?
[01:19] <Peter_VK5KX> Good signal so far
[01:19] <vk5fj> Jan-: probably
[01:19] <VK5ZEY> hi peter kx
[01:19] <vk5fj> Peter_VK5KX: ok
[01:19] <jcoxon> Jan-, lots of people who get invovled with this hobby become hams
[01:19] <Peter_VK5KX> Hi Phil
[01:19] <VK5FPAW-3> Jan-: I;ll see if I can upload some photos from the launch for you.
[01:20] <Jan-> OK, that's odd, in my world VK stands for "Versuchskonstruktion"
[01:20] <VK5ZEY> dont think i will be able to get in today KX?
[01:20] <jcoxon> Jan-, http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/
[01:21] <VK5ZEY> now i know why you wnet to Truro, lol
[01:21] <Peter_VK5KX> I can Mildura from here, it's very small tho
[01:21] <Jan-> Why is this stuff all like 430MHz?
[01:22] <F6AGV> night
[01:22] <jcoxon> night F6AGV
[01:22] <jcoxon> Jan-, in the uk its the only freq we can use
[01:22] <SpeedEvil> It's not legal in the UK to use amateur radio freqs to transmit from balloons.
[01:22] <SpeedEvil> It has to be 'licence free' freqs.
[01:22] <vk5fj> Jan-: convenietly small antenna and reasonable bandwidth on that HAM band
[01:22] <SpeedEvil> 433, 868, 2.4GHz
[01:22] <Jan-> Well that's pish.
[01:22] <F6AGV> rx in use during night
[01:22] <jcoxon> F6AGV, get some sleep!
[01:22] <F6AGV> bye james
[01:22] <jcoxon> night
[01:22] <jcoxon> thanks again
[01:22] <Jan-> are the guys chasing it in contact now
[01:23] <Jan-> or have they gone out of 3G range, someone said?
[01:23] <jcoxon> not sure
[01:23] <jcoxon> looks like its just me tracking now :-)
[01:23] <vk2kaw> I can hear contacts on the balloon repeater in Wagga on my handheld
[01:23] <Jan-> 'battery: 0v' doesn't sound good
[01:24] <Jan-> Wagga is not a real place!
[01:24] <Jan-> Holy hell, Wagga is a real place.
[01:24] <jcoxon> i think its wagga wagga
[01:25] <Jan-> teehee
[01:25] <vk5fj> its moving over 70KM/hr
[01:25] <Jan-> Everywhere in Australia seems to be named Murray, Stuart or Darling
[01:25] <Jan-> Except those places which are called things like Wagga and Warragul and... and... Didjabringabeeralong.
[01:25] <vk5fj> Jan-: they are very long rivers ;)
[01:25] <VK5ZEY> not everyhere
[01:25] <Jan-> Er, rivers, in australia? You mean dry channels full of dust?
[01:25] <Jan-> Or are there actual rivers?
[01:26] <VK5ZEY> the rivers are full
[01:26] Action: Jan- has never been to australia
[01:26] <VK5ZEY> we have hat a lot of rain
[01:26] <Jan-> I'd love to visit.
[01:27] <Jan-> It's just really really far, and there are billions of toxic creatures.
[01:27] <VK5ZEY> lots of snakes and spiders :)
[01:27] <Jan-> :(
[01:27] <Peter_VK5KX> we manage to survive Jan
[01:27] <Jan-> Honestly I'm surprised australians ever make it to adulthood, considering that the place has 1001 ways to kill you.
[01:28] <VK5ZEY> its not that bad Jan
[01:28] <Jan-> I don't think I'd be comfortable getting off the plane without some sort of environment suit.
[01:29] <VK5ZEY> its pretty safe Jan
[01:29] <Peter_VK5KX> Thankyou for the humor Jan, you made my day
[01:29] <Jan-> you have toxic SEASHELLS.
[01:29] <VK5ZEY> only rock fish
[01:29] <Jan-> I mean seriously! Snakes, OK. Spiders, fine. Jellyfish? Well obviously. But seashells?!
[01:29] <Jan-> And if the chemical warfare experts don't get you, a crocodile will eat you.
[01:29] <VK5ZEY> some jellies are pretty bad
[01:30] <VK5ZEY> most are harmeless
[01:30] <vk2kaw> we can see that Jan has not really looked at Aus much yes there is a place called Wagga Wagga as for the critters well we like them
[01:30] <Jan-> Box jellyfish! Portugese men o war?
[01:30] <VK5ZEY> yes jan
[01:30] <vk5fj> sounds like the ballon has burst
[01:31] <VK5FPAW-3> Activated cutdown on Horus.
[01:31] <Jan-> That's annoying. All those beautiful beaches, and you don't dare go in the water because of being stung, stabbed, spiked, chewed and poisoned to death.
[01:31] <Jan-> Oh, cutdown? Is it falling now?
[01:31] <VK5FPAW-3> Yes. Horus 26 on its way down now.
[01:32] <Jan-> parachute, or just... gravity? and how long will it take to hit the ground?
[01:32] <VK5FPAW-3> Jan-: There is a small parachuts
[01:32] <VK5FPAW-3> patachute
[01:33] <Michael_VK5ZEA_> I was hoping to make a contact through the Horus26 repeater with the most Eastern station to log in... me being the most West... oh well.
[01:33] <Jan-> uhoh. apparently, it looks like it's going to fall in a lake.
[01:33] <griffonbot> @vk5fsck: horus 26 balloon has bursted #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/vk5fsck/status/206558621180493824]
[01:33] <vk5fj> VK5FPAW-3: so there are two balloons?
[01:33] <vk2kaw> what is the rtty freq for darkside
[01:33] <Peter_VK5KX> 434.650
[01:33] <vk2kaw> thanks
[01:33] <griffonbot> @vk5fsck: horus 27 is still up, but looks might have a wet landing though #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/vk5fsck/status/206558828282646528]
[01:34] <Jan-> does it float?
[01:34] <Jan-> do they have a boat?
[01:34] <VK5FPAW-3> Was Horcut or did it burst?
[01:34] <VK5FPAW-3> Horus
[01:34] <studdentt> what module do you use for the telecommunication ?
[01:34] <VK5FPAW-3> Jan-: Might need one :-)
[01:34] <VK5FPAW-3> Coming down at 30m/s
[01:34] <studdentt> are there favorites?
[01:34] <vk5fj> studdentt: dl-fldigi for the Rx of the RTTY data
[01:35] <Jan-> well hang on
[01:35] <Jan-> this is an aussie lake
[01:35] <Jan-> does it have any actual water in it?
[01:35] <vk5fj> studdentt: they buld the radio module, its called uNut
[01:35] <vk5fj> Jan-: which one?
[01:35] <VK5FPAW-3> Jan-: Hmm.. yeah, that would a fun hoax to pull.
[01:35] <Jan-> I'm told it looks like it's going to land in a lake.
[01:35] <Jan-> I don't know which one.
[01:35] <VK5FPAW-3> vk5fj: Yes
[01:36] <VK5FPAW-3> vk5fj: Yes - two balloons.
[01:36] <Jan-> are the electronics waterproof?
[01:36] <VK5FPAW-3> Jan-: 'sealed' in polystyrene box, so they will float :-)
[01:37] <VK5FPAW-3> Jan-: Polysyrene to keep the heat in so the batteries/electronics don't freeze.
[01:37] Action: Jan- proposes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gqT6En2O78
[01:38] <griffonbot> @vk5fsck: horus 26 made it to 35470 meters before the balloon burst #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/vk5fsck/status/206559854838550528]
[01:39] <Jan-> isn't that practically space
[01:39] <SpeedEvil> Well - no.
[01:39] <SpeedEvil> A thingy at 35km altitude has well under a percent of the energy of something orbiting at 100km
[01:39] <VK5ZEY> kx you shold be able to hear me from Truro?
[01:39] <Jan-> well there's a difference between "space" and "orbit"
[01:39] <jcoxon> but the environment is pretty extreme
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[01:40] <jcoxon> where is this balloon going?!?
[01:40] <VK5FPAW-3> Second balloon has burst.
[01:41] <Jan-> burst or intentionally cut
[01:41] <griffonbot> @vk5fsck: horus 27 made it to 36732 meters before the balloon burst #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/vk5fsck/status/206560622584930305]
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[01:41] <VK5FPAW-3> VK5ZEY: Will be driving past there tonight.. is there a repeater around there?
[01:42] <VK5FPAW-3> VK5ZEY: Sorry.. thought you said you were in Truro
[01:42] <VK5ZEY> no not me
[01:42] <VK5ZEY> im in golden grove
[01:42] <Michael_VK5ZEA_> I'm packing up guys... sorry I wasn't able to upload any telemetry... I certainly could hear it very well...
[01:43] <Jan-> how much range do they have?
[01:44] <jcoxon> the record for the radio we use in the UK is 700km
[01:44] <Peter_VK5KX> I'm in Truro , hehe, What freq ZEY
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[01:45] <Jan-> 700 kilometers?! Cripes.
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[01:46] <VK5FPAW-3> VK5ZEY: Yeah.. you said that.
[01:46] <VK5FPAW-3> Darkside: Telemetry getting noisy here.
[01:47] <vk2kaw> darkside just faded away in wagga was strong
[01:48] <fsphil> jcoxon: the ion drive is faulty
[01:48] <jcoxon> fsphil!
[01:48] <jcoxon> what you doing up
[01:48] <vk5fj> so lake mungo is dry at this time of year?
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[01:48] <fsphil> someone's outside shouting
[01:48] <Jan-> is it getting noisy because the altitude is reducing?
[01:48] <Peter_VK5KX> Horus is doing 102kph !!!!!
[01:48] <VK5FPAW-3> Jan-: Yes.. and distance
[01:48] <jcoxon> fsphil, i have no idea where it is going...
[01:49] <fsphil> that's really odd ain't it. the winds up there must be completely different
[01:49] <Jan-> how far away are you, VK5FPAW-3
[01:49] <jcoxon> i'd really like it to not be in this area at burst
[01:49] <Jan-> which area
[01:50] <fsphil> yea it's a busy spot
[01:50] <jcoxon> its just over Bolton
[01:50] <jcoxon> heading towards Liverpool
[01:50] <VK5FPAW-3> Jan-: In Mildura, where the balloon was launched.
[01:50] <Jan-> which is how far?
[01:50] <fsphil> I woke up expecting it to be over the sea at least
[01:50] <VK5FPAW-3> Jan-: Came back to were the Horus team have been staying.
[01:51] <Jan-> jcoxon: you don't really want it to fall in the city, I guess.
[01:51] <Jan-> But in the UK that's a bit of a risk no matter what.
[01:51] <fsphil> goodness, still being received in france
[01:51] <fsphil> that must be some setup
[01:52] <Jan-> big directional antenna?
[01:52] <Jan-> do you know all the guys who're tracking it, or are they anons?
[01:52] <jcoxon> they are regulars
[01:53] <jcoxon> to tell the truth only 3 of us are tracking it
[01:53] <SpeedEvil> There tend to be randoms at times.
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[01:53] <Jan-> I thought it was about to head out over the ocean?
[01:53] <Jan-> This is the UK one we're discussing right
[01:53] <jcoxon> yeah
[01:53] <jcoxon> its taking a bit of a unusual route
[01:53] <fsphil> that was the plan lol
[01:54] <fsphil> still no decodes here
[01:54] <Jan-> where are you fsphil?
[01:54] <VK5FPAW-3> Jan-: Just takes an error in one character and the entire tracking packet is not uploaded.
[01:54] Action: Jan- proposes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5BJXwNeKsQ
[01:54] <fsphil> Jan-: n.ireland
[01:54] <fsphil> I notice the altitude's going back up
[01:55] <Jan-> Oh. Were you hoping to have it land there?
[01:55] <jcoxon> fsphil, yeah very slowly
[01:55] <Jan-> How do you even control when it lands?
[01:55] <fsphil> Jan-: not land, but at least flyby
[01:55] <VK5FPAW-3> Jan-: Balloon maybe 100-120km from here in a straight line.
[01:55] <Jan-> I'm in Essex, I guess that'd be way too far to hear it.
[01:55] <Jan-> Well, actually.
[01:55] <Jan-> 700km?
[01:56] <jcoxon> there is someone in calais that can hear it
[01:56] <fsphil> I can hear it, just not strong enough to decode
[01:56] <jcoxon> and i can hear it in suffolk
[01:56] <Jan-> CALAIS?! In France?!
[01:56] <fsphil> yea
[01:56] <Jan-> Cripes
[01:56] <fsphil> the range of these things is amazing
[01:56] <Jan-> If it's over manchester, you're WAY closer than Calais.
[01:56] <fsphil> I regurlarly track flights from Cambridge
[01:56] <Jan-> Can you command it to parachute down or whatever?
[01:57] <jcoxon> not this one
[01:57] <jcoxon> but others yes
[01:57] <Jan-> That'd be a nice feature.
[01:57] <Jan-> Then you could have it land somewhere reasonably convenient.
[01:57] <VK5FPAW-3> Jan-: The Horus guys have just added that 'feature'.
[01:57] <Jan-> Awesome.
[01:57] <Jan-> Do you have to, like, warn air traffic control when What Goes Up Must Come Down?
[01:58] <jcoxon> fsphil, about 90mins till sunrise
[01:58] <VK5FPAW-3> Darkside has come down faster than horus.
[01:59] <VK5FPAW-3> Jan-: I think that they just have to give an indication on the area they will be operating in.. but I don't know any details.
[02:00] <VK5FPAW-3> Darkside at 8kn and I'm still gettinh telemetry.
[02:00] <Peter_VK5KX> The Horus guys put NOTAMS into Flight Services
[02:00] <Peter_VK5KX> NOTAMS = Notice To Airmen
[02:01] <VK5FPAW-3> Hmm. that might be my last correct packet.
[02:01] <VK5FPAW-3> Now at 7km
[02:02] <Jan-> do we have a word on whether there's water in the lake
[02:02] <Peter_VK5KX> I'm still RXing teletry on Darkside
[02:02] <fsphil> hugly annoying carrier right over the signal
[02:03] <jcoxon> having one of the fadse
[02:03] <jcoxon> fades*
[02:04] <fsphil> still looking good in yorkshire
[02:04] <Jan-> well guys
[02:04] <Jan-> I hate to be a part-timer but I have to get some sleep
[02:04] <jcoxon> Jan-, night
[02:04] <fsphil> g'nite Jan-!
[02:04] <fsphil> I'll get a bit more sleep myself
[02:04] <Peter_VK5KX> Nice to make your aquaintance Jan, cee you later
[02:04] <VK5FPAW-3> That might be the last packet of data??
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[02:05] <VK5FPAW-3> Darkside: 1.3k
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[02:05] <Peter_VK5KX> Just lost contact of Darkside
[02:05] <VK5FPAW-3> Darkside: Maybe.
[02:05] <VK5FPAW-3> Darkside: 5km
[02:06] <vk5fj> VK5FPAW-3: just as i finally get dl-fldigi working!
[02:06] <VK5FPAW-3> Darkside: 4.8km
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[02:06] <VK5FPAW-3> vk5fj: :-/
[02:06] <Peter_VK5KX> Lost at approx 400km
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[02:08] <Michael_VK5ZEA_> 73s guys... I'm packed up and about to head home... well done... can't wait to see the write up.
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[02:09] <Peter_VK5KX> Yep, I'll start to packup soon as well
[02:09] <VK5FPAW-3> Darkside: 3.3km
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[02:12] <vk1kcm> Afternoon All
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[02:17] <VK5FPAW-3> Lost all signal :-( Must be down :-)
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[02:18] <Peter_VK5KX> Bye people, I'm outa here
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[02:19] <vk1kcm> Mt Ginini, vk1rgi saw it until about 38,000 ft
[02:19] <vk1kcm> sorry, 31,818 ft
[02:22] <vk1kcm> bye
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[02:47] <vk5cp> hi mark how did it go?
[02:48] <SamSilver_> jcoxon: i am back just going to grab a coffee the going to ponder his weird track of EURUS
[02:48] <SamSilver_> the = then
[02:48] <VK5FPAW-3> vk5cp: They are still out there..
[02:48] <vk5cp> %FPAW is the bird still up?
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[02:52] <jcoxon> SamSilver_, i need to sleep
[02:52] <jcoxon> keep an eye on it for me!
[02:52] <SamSilver_> i will hold the fort
[02:53] <jcoxon> bbl
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[02:53] <SamSilver_> you want me to send an sms if it pops
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[04:20] <heathkid> very quiet tonight
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[05:05] <fsphil> Eurus is still there
[05:06] <fsphil> having trouble decoding it
[05:07] <fsphil> -4.8 degrees
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[05:07] <SamSilver> that could be the prob fsphil
[05:07] <SamSilver> last decode was a while ago
[05:07] <fsphil> longitude
[05:07] <SamSilver> brb
[05:07] <fsphil> I need the yagi
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[05:08] <fsphil> it's very weak
[05:08] <fsphil> 35km alt
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[05:09] <fsphil> 534587506,-41143003
[05:10] <fsphil> got one
[05:11] <fsphil> we need GW8RAK :)
[05:11] <fsphil> just of the coast of north wales
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[05:13] <SamSilver> good one fsphil
[05:15] <SamSilver> another
[05:15] <SamSilver> upu and his wooHoo via fsphil
[05:15] <fsphil> signal seems to be bouncing between here and yorkshire
[05:15] <fsphil> still floating well
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[05:15] <fsphil> I'd expected it to burst by now
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[05:22] <griffonbot> Received email: Philip Heron "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Eurus 1 Launch 26/5/12 1600 BST (GMT+1)"
[05:22] <fsphil> difficult one to track this
[05:23] <fsphil> needs constant adjustment
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[05:37] <Darkside> good lord i am tired
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[05:38] <fsphil> know the feeling :)
[05:38] <fsphil> how'd it go?
[05:38] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: Horus 26 and 27 both recovered, after a long and tiring chase... #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/206620414787596288]
[05:38] <fsphil> there we go :)
[05:38] <Darkside> well the chase cars split up
[05:39] <Darkside> the proper 4wd got the easy ballooon in teh end
[05:39] <Darkside> we (in a Rav4) had to go through some horrible tracks to get to the balloon
[05:39] <Darkside> payload*
[05:39] <Darkside> didn't need to use the cutdown in the end, balloons burst anyway
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[05:43] <fsphil> F6AGV, how are you managing this :)
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[05:56] <fsphil> anyone want to try the Isle of Man global tuners radio?
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[06:01] <F6AGV> morning all
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[06:02] <fsphil> morning F6AGV
[06:03] <F6AGV> http://alerte-radiosondes.blogspot.fr/2012/05/ballons-xaben-et-eurus-du-26-mai-2012.html
[06:04] <fsphil> this may be the oddest flight path ever
[06:04] <F6AGV> my antenna inside home !
[06:04] <fsphil> wow
[06:05] <fsphil> I'm struggling to decode with a colinear on the roof
[06:06] <F6AGV> inclination of 45 degrees !
[06:07] <F6AGV> signal is very weak
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[06:07] <fsphil> it is
[06:11] <F6AGV> is 2I0VIM on air ?
[06:13] <fsphil> that is me :)
[06:14] <F6AGV> you receive well ?
[06:14] <fsphil> no, it's too weak. although I just decoded one
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[06:16] <F6AGV> yeah , here sometimes a frame is good, and I have a local QRM
[06:17] <JFS1> Morning all. Hard to say which is more amazing - the flight of Eurus or commitment of overnight trackers.
[06:18] <F6AGV> again a good frame for me
[06:18] <F6AGV> wow !
[06:19] <SamSilver> fantastic F6AGV
[06:20] <SamSilver> F6AGV: what is the range?
[06:20] <F6AGV> yeah it's very hard my friend !
[06:20] <F6AGV> range ? what ?
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[06:21] <F6AGV> WF -20 70 x1 FAST
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[06:23] <F6AGV> 465 Shift receive filter 222
[06:31] <F6AGV> what is the range ?
[06:31] <x-f> the distance between the balloon and you
[06:31] <x-f> good morning, habbers!
[06:32] <F6AGV> wow perhaps 750 km ?
[06:32] <x-f> nice to see Eurus still floating
[06:35] <F6AGV> MY location is 50.8650N and 1.8670E and the balloon is 53.720N -4.588W range IS ???
[06:36] <fsphil> there are calculators for distance online
[06:37] <fsphil> http://boulter.com/gps/distance/
[06:38] <x-f> that one gives me 367.89 km
[06:38] <fsphil> 542.70 kilometers
[06:38] <x-f> hmm..
[06:39] <F6AGV> yeah
[06:39] <fsphil> take out the - from the -4.588W
[06:42] <F6AGV> now 558.54 km
[06:42] <SamSilver> anyone got a sunrise calculation for eurus
[06:42] <SamSilver> will be about 29 mins before sea level sun up
[06:43] <fsphil> the sun is definitely up there
[06:43] <fsphil> it's daylight here
[06:43] <fsphil> has been for a few hours
[06:43] <fsphil> well, an hour
[06:44] <F6AGV> horizon is done by 4.1 square H ex d = 4.1 square 34 = ?
[06:44] <F6AGV> 4.1 square 34000 sorry
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[06:48] <F6AGV> answer is horizon of Eurus 756 km
[06:49] <RocketBoy> fsphil: hey phil - wow dedication!
[06:49] <RocketBoy> what frequency is it on?
[06:49] <fsphil> 434.197.500
[06:50] <RocketBoy> im trying the isle of man gt
[06:50] <fsphil> I didn't track it most of the night :)
[06:50] <F6AGV> 434.19733 here
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[06:52] <fsphil> shame about this signal
[06:52] <F6AGV> Eurus horizon is 767 km
[06:53] <F6AGV> signal here is not good for the moment
[06:53] <fsphil> it's better here, but still getting bad characters
[06:53] <F6AGV> balloon is going to Belfast ?
[06:54] <fsphil> seems to be
[06:54] <fsphil> but the track is very unpredictable
[06:54] <F6AGV> yeah me too
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[06:54] <fsphil> I'm definitely going to invest in a yagi on the roof
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[06:56] <fsphil> morning jcoxon
[06:56] <F6AGV> altitude increase and the burst is for a short time ?
[06:56] <SamSilver> morning jcoxon
[06:56] <jcoxon> hey
[06:56] <fsphil> ah, decode
[06:56] <jcoxon> burst?
[06:56] <fsphil> not yet
[06:56] <SamSilver> nope
[06:56] <F6AGV> morning James
[06:56] <jcoxon> morning
[06:56] <fsphil> it's pushing the max altitude up though
[06:56] <RocketBoy> the iom gt is a bit deaf - i can only just hear eurus in the noise
[06:56] <jcoxon> what a flight
[06:57] <F6AGV> I have some points this morning : 558 km !
[06:57] <RocketBoy> :-)
[06:57] <jcoxon> once its passed IoM it'll work better
[06:57] <jcoxon> thats my experience
[06:57] <fsphil> there is a not unresnable chance this will land near me
[06:58] <jcoxon> i've decided it went on a tour of british cities
[06:58] <fsphil> lol
[06:58] <fsphil> it's the oddest flight path I've seen
[06:58] <JFS1> fsphil - Not often you get called on to do a recovery as well as tracking
[06:59] <fsphil> just as long as it wails until later, I'll be in the office all morning
[06:59] <jcoxon> nice battery voltage
[07:00] <fsphil> yea at least we don't have that to worry about
[07:00] <fsphil> I'm gonna fire an email to the local clubs
[07:01] <fsphil> see if they can help
[07:01] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: Eurus high alt balloon still in the air floating at 35km, Irish Sea, http://t.co/pAOVgOdv calling Irish radio listeners #ukhas #hamr #arhab [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/206641264567910400]
[07:02] <jcoxon> next on a tour is Belfast
[07:02] <jcoxon> our*
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[07:03] <griffonbot> @tenbus_uk: RT @jamescoxon: Eurus high alt balloon still in the air floating at 35km, Irish Sea, http://t.co/pAOVgOdv calling Irish radio listeners ... [http://twitter.com/tenbus_uk/status/206641708941836288]
[07:03] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Eurus 1 Launch 26/5/12 1600 BST (GMT+1)"
[07:05] <daveake> That thing does have an affinity for airports ... East Midlands, Manchester, Liverpool .... Belfast next :)
[07:05] <daveake> If it manages Belfast City and International that'll be impressive :)
[07:05] <jcoxon> looking at the (perhaps useless) wind maps the isobar traj will actually be quite close to Iceland
[07:06] <RocketBoy> there are just too many airports - we should get rid of some
[07:07] <RocketBoy> jcoxon: yes that does seem to be the overall trend
[07:07] <RocketBoy> which is good for coverage :-)
[07:08] <jcoxon> that GT wasn't as noise at night
[07:08] <fsphil> There are three large airports here
[07:08] <fsphil> bet it visits all of them :)
[07:08] <daveake> Extra airmiles if it does
[07:08] <fsphil> it's right on the edge of decodability -- getting most of the string
[07:08] <fsphil> but not enough
[07:08] <jcoxon> alt?
[07:09] <fsphil> 35.3
[07:09] <jcoxon> it comes in waves i find
[07:09] <fsphil> yea
[07:09] <jcoxon> suddenly its great for a few strings
[07:09] <fsphil> the upper frequency is right over the local qrm carriers
[07:09] <navrac> well done james - very impressive
[07:10] <jcoxon> navrac, wasn't really as planned
[07:10] <jcoxon> but we've learnt some important lessons
[07:10] <daveake> Radio Power 4 .... that means it switched up correctly?
[07:10] <jcoxon> no thats still 10mW
[07:10] <daveake> oh, planned or bug?
[07:10] <jcoxon> power 7 will be 100mW
[07:10] <navrac> well no the direction - but you planned to mske it float and keep txing for hours - it is doing both...
[07:11] <jcoxon> daveake, it won't activate until further from the UK
[07:11] <daveake> ah ok
[07:11] <jcoxon> that said it will activate over NI (oops)
[07:11] <fsphil> 35.29 km
[07:11] <jcoxon> i wasn't expecting it to go this way
[07:11] <fsphil> lol
[07:11] <daveake> ah lol
[07:11] <fsphil> I won't tell anyone
[07:11] <jcoxon> interesting if it makes a difference
[07:12] <daveake> it will to the internal temperature :)
[07:12] <fsphil> correction, 35.329
[07:12] <fsphil> 35343
[07:12] <fsphil> still going up
[07:13] <jcoxon> eek
[07:13] <navrac> hmm
[07:13] <fsphil> 353
[07:13] <jcoxon> we need more stations!
[07:13] <navrac> interesting - you'd presume it would have lost He overnight
[07:13] <fsphil> 357
[07:13] <fsphil> slowing
[07:13] <fsphil> 353
[07:13] <fsphil> descending
[07:13] <jcoxon> upu radio getting anything?
[07:13] <fsphil> decode
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[07:14] <fsphil> trace on the waterfall only
[07:14] <jcoxon> this is all your flight now
[07:14] Action: jcoxon hands over mission control to forward base
[07:14] <fsphil> in saying that there's still recognisable test
[07:14] <fsphil> text
[07:14] <griffonbot> @PD3EM: RT @jamescoxon: Eurus high alt balloon still in the air floating at 35km, Irish Sea, http://t.co/pAOVgOdv calling Irish radio listeners ... [http://twitter.com/PD3EM/status/206644523043004416]
[07:14] <fsphil> more decodes
[07:15] <jcoxon> i guess if you had control you'd vent a bit to drop out of the burst danger zone
[07:16] <fsphil> yea
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[07:18] <jcoxon> F5APQ!
[07:18] <daveake> I know !!!
[07:18] <daveake> How TF?
[07:19] <daveake> Woowoo is strong in France
[07:19] <daveake> Globaltuner?
[07:19] <RocketBoy> crappy
[07:19] <RocketBoy> at least the iom one
[07:19] <jcoxon> fsphil, what string count are we on?
[07:19] <daveake> shame
[07:20] <fsphil> 3119
[07:20] <jcoxon> hehe
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[07:20] <fsphil> good series of decodes now
[07:20] <Darkside> hey
[07:20] <Darkside> its still freaking going
[07:20] <Darkside> what the hell
[07:20] <daveake> RocketBoy: Did yesterday's flight use the same tracker as last week's?
[07:21] <RocketBoy> na a new one
[07:21] <jcoxon> hey Darkside
[07:21] <daveake> Understandable :)
[07:21] <RocketBoy> XABEN-25 is still in a tree
[07:21] <daveake> Oh of course. Silyl me
[07:22] <daveake> I won't be flying mine again unless I find something broke on it and fix it
[07:22] <jcoxon> sometimes they need to be retired
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[07:23] <RocketBoy> I need to check over the logs to see if my problem repeated - but i don't think so
[07:23] <daveake> jcoxon: Indeed. Mine played up on its first flight despite being a copy of previous trackers
[07:23] <RocketBoy> you have the benefit of being able to test the thing that actually failed
[07:24] <jcoxon> not all rfm22b are the same
[07:24] <RocketBoy> some are more equal than others
[07:24] <jcoxon> so we've had a 12hr float now
[07:24] <fsphil> breakfast time
[07:24] <jcoxon> ooo another listener
[07:24] <daveake> Well I do suspect that one, as it stopped Txing altogether then restarted. My Arduino code can't make that happen.
[07:25] <fsphil> G0MJW doing better than I am
[07:25] <fsphil> signal has gotten weaker here
[07:25] <daveake> Everyone did better than me
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[07:26] <fsphil> virtually gone on upu's radio, closing down that
[07:26] <daveake> Back soon need to fire up the barbie
[07:26] <fsphil> frequency dropping quickly
[07:26] <fsphil> hiya G0MJW
[07:26] <G0MJW> Good morning.
[07:27] <fsphil> you're getting better decodes than I am atm :)
[07:30] <jcoxon> hey G0MJW, thanks for listening!
[07:30] <G0MJW> I am nearer than you are fsphil - or has it crossed the sea now
[07:31] <fsphil> it's over the isle of man
[07:31] <fsphil> actually passed that now
[07:32] <G0MJW> Hey - it took a loop round winter hill
[07:32] <fsphil> it seems to be that forward null
[07:32] <G0MJW> You need to beam at it.
[07:33] <fsphil> no yagi on the roof :/
[07:33] <fsphil> which I'm definitely doing now
[07:33] <fsphil> although who knows if this will ever happen again :)
[07:33] <fsphil> would still be useful
[07:33] <jcoxon> i'll try...
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[07:34] <fsphil> very weak now
[07:34] <fsphil> bit wobbly too
[07:34] <G0MJW> Always useful to have a yagi. For a start you will be popular in the UKAC.
[07:34] <fsphil> 35300m
[07:35] <fsphil> UKAC on 70cm is a lost cause where I live :)
[07:35] <jcoxon> fsphil, its heading straight for you
[07:36] <G0MJW> You might be surprised. We worked 50 in the contest last month in an hour after our club meeting.
[07:36] <fsphil> I know! Wish I could track this from the big hill
[07:37] <fsphil> G0MJW, I've only ever heard 1 station. and he couldn't hear me :)
[07:37] <G0MJW> Thatis because you don't have a beam... back to the beginning.
[07:37] <fsphil> Eurus starting to show up on my yagi in the attic
[07:37] <F6AGV> my friend Jack make a point at 588.37 km from the ballon !
[07:38] <fsphil> sweet!
[07:38] <F6AGV> his call F5APQ at 53.9944N and -5.021888W from balloon position
[07:38] <fsphil> I think I've only got points on the 2m contest so far
[07:38] <G0MJW> I am not getting 100% decodes.
[07:38] <fsphil> it's faded considerably here
[07:39] <fsphil> actually stronger on the yagi than the colinear
[07:39] <fsphil> the yagi is pointing the opposite way
[07:40] <F6AGV> yeah i hope landing in Belfast, no comand to get a burst aboard ?
[07:40] <fsphil> still not enough to decode
[07:40] <fsphil> no uplink F6AGV
[07:40] <fsphil> and no cut-down
[07:40] <jcoxon> its going at 36kph currently
[07:40] <jcoxon> the last straight section of the path
[07:41] <fsphil> I doubt I'd be able to get to Belfast today, it'll need to land a bit closer
[07:41] <G0MJW> It is going to take a long time to get to Canada at that rate.
[07:42] <jcoxon> and is currently 38km from the coast
[07:42] <jcoxon> G0MJW, yeah in future we'll need to float a bit lower i think
[07:42] <fsphil> coming back a bit on the colinear
[07:42] <fsphil> it nearly disappeared
[07:43] <G0MJW> Every now and then there is a burst of QRM and I lose a bit of a sentence
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[07:45] <fsphil> gone again
[07:45] <fsphil> can only see the idle signal
[07:46] <fsphil> and back
[07:46] <jcoxon> going up
[07:47] <G0MJW> fsphil when it is weak with me it is strong with you. Must be the antenna pattern.
[07:47] <fsphil> 35712
[07:47] <fsphil> yea we noticed that stations behind the direction of the payload could decode better G0MJW
[07:48] <fsphil> there seems to be a big null
[07:48] <fsphil> it's gone here again
[07:48] <fsphil> gonna get breakfast, then gotta head into the office. will track remotely
[07:49] <G0MJW> Probably geography - after all it is downhill to the South.
[07:50] <fsphil> got a decode
[07:50] <jcoxon> its funny - i look forward to negative rates
[07:50] <jcoxon> usually its the oppoiste
[07:50] <fsphil> F5APQ doing fantastic
[07:51] <F5APQ> certainly propagation good
[07:51] <jcoxon> dial freq?
[07:52] <fsphil> 434.198
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[07:52] <F5APQ> 434.199
[07:53] <F6AGV> no Jack receive well with horizontal antenna !
[07:53] <F6AGV> yes F5APQ is a king !
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[07:54] <Upuiphone> morning all Eurus still up ?
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[07:54] <F6AGV> my receive is out here
[07:55] <F6AGV> morning
[07:55] <jcoxon> Upuiphone, yu
[07:55] <jcoxon> yup
[07:55] <Upuiphone> nice on jcoxon where is it ?
[07:55] <F6AGV> Belfast landing ?
[07:56] <jcoxon> 30km from NI
[07:56] <Upuiphone> still floating ?
[07:56] <jcoxon> yup
[07:56] <jcoxon> 35km
[07:56] <number10> can hear it here in lakes..
[07:57] <number10> dont have decent antenna
[07:57] <Upuiphone> thats great so is it predicted to keep going or likely to curve round and come back ?
[07:58] <jcoxon> its defied predictions
[07:58] <jcoxon> so who knows
[07:58] <Upuiphone> lucky to hear it there with all the hills number10
[07:58] <Upuiphone> lol ok
[07:58] <F6AGV> what is envelope type 1200 g or 1600 g ?
[07:58] <jcoxon> 1600g
[07:58] <jcoxon> lost a bit of alt :-)
[07:58] <Upuiphone> keeping fsphil busy today
[07:58] <jcoxon> and last night
[07:58] <F6AGV> yea thanks and burst altitude ?
[07:58] <jcoxon> we were tracking quite late
[07:58] <jcoxon> F6AGV, difficult to say
[07:59] <F6AGV> OK
[07:59] <jcoxon> perhaps 38km ?
[07:59] <G0MJW> Envelope colour?
[07:59] <jcoxon> cream/white
[07:59] <F6AGV> yeah altitude is increasing
[07:59] <jcoxon> F6AGV, it goes up and down in waves
[07:59] <F6AGV> pink envelope !
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[07:59] <G0MJW> So not much solar input
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[08:00] <jcoxon> ooo i'm getting decode from GT
[08:00] <Upuiphone> where is rhe gr ?
[08:00] <Upuiphone> gt
[08:01] <jcoxon> IoM
[08:01] <F6AGV> a receiver aboard for burst comand will be usefull no ?
[08:01] <Upuiphone> ok is my station still getting it or is fsphil just using his now
[08:02] <jcoxon> F6AGV, we don't want it to burst
[08:02] <jcoxon> to keep on going
[08:02] <jcoxon> Upuiphone, not so good right now, not getting a good signal
[08:02] <jcoxon> fsphil, is on his
[08:02] <Upuiphone> yeah its my blind spot that
[08:03] <F6AGV> James we had an order command on a solar balloon , very good experiment
[08:04] <jcoxon> a decode!
[08:05] <Upuiphone> see if it can do another day in the sun , whats estimated battery life ?
[08:05] <jcoxon> 70+hrs
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[08:07] <Upuiphone> probably run out of recievers before then !
[08:08] <fsphil> Upuiphone: I'm logged out
[08:08] <fsphil> signal is still there but very weak
[08:08] <Upuiphone> hey fsphil no probs
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[08:08] <Upuiphone> yeah as we found out thats my blind spot
[08:08] <fsphil> Upuiphone: but yea I'm totally doing that yagi plan :)
[08:09] <jcoxon> and the balloons blind spot
[08:09] <cuddykid> brilliant! Great to see Eurus still floating :D
[08:09] <Upuiphone> not back still 2100 so feel free to keep checking if your not all ballooned out
[08:10] <Upuiphone> till
[08:10] <G0MJW> Is there a crystal heater?
[08:10] <F6AGV> with DTMF codes two codes send to the solar balloon at 30 km !
[08:10] <jcoxon> yay a decode
[08:10] <Upuiphone> right best get a shower great news its still up bbl
[08:10] <craag> Decode on IoM globaltuner!
[08:11] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: RT @jamescoxon: Eurus high alt balloon still in the air floating at 35km, Irish Sea, http://t.co/pAOVgOdv calling Irish radio listeners ... [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/206658829444845568]
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[08:11] <F6AGV> reversal the solar balloon and he fall !
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[08:13] <F6AGV> but we have hot resistor for cutting wire between balloon and payload !
[08:13] <F6AGV> OK James ?
[08:13] <jcoxon> F6AGV, that works well
[08:13] <F6AGV> also on helium balloon
[08:13] <jcoxon> but we want to see how long it stays floating for
[08:14] <F6AGV> Yes very good system
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[08:14] <cuddykid> jcoxon: how long left on the batts do you reckon?
[08:14] <jcoxon> ages
[08:14] <jcoxon> they'll cut out at 3.2v
[08:15] <cuddykid> great
[08:15] <F6AGV> BRAQ operate resistor system also quite good to falling the payload when time you want by order radio command from earth to balloon
[08:16] <F6AGV> new experiment to you ?
[08:17] <adam_> did u have to get clearence to launch the baloon?
[08:17] <RocketBoy> yes
[08:18] <adam_> how do u go about getting that just call atc?
[08:18] <cuddykid> adam_: contact CAA 28days in advance
[08:18] <F6AGV> RocketBoy EURUS is your baby ?
[08:18] <jcoxon> at least 28 days :-)
[08:18] <adam_> cool thanks for the info
[08:18] <adam_> what is on the baloon?
[08:18] <cuddykid> yeah, what jcoxon said :)
[08:18] <RocketBoy> well its jcoxon's eectronics
[08:19] <RocketBoy> but I supplied the balloon and helium and helped with the launch
[08:19] <RocketBoy> oh and the parachute
[08:19] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, i'd say we are a team
[08:19] <F6AGV> OK fine great
[08:19] <F6AGV> yea a good team
[08:19] <RocketBoy> yep
[08:20] <jonsowman> morning
[08:20] <RocketBoy> good fun launching
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[08:20] <jcoxon> i think Upu had a big magnet
[08:20] <jcoxon> and pulled it north
[08:21] <jcoxon> hence the blip
[08:21] <jonsowman> this is amazing jcoxon
[08:21] <jonsowman> :D
[08:21] <priyesh> how many hours has it been now?
[08:21] <jonsowman> weirdest path ever
[08:21] <priyesh> hehe - so much delay when loading spacenear.us
[08:21] <jonsowman> yeah lol
[08:21] <jcoxon> so up since 1600 yesterday
[08:21] <jcoxon> http://spacenear.us/tracker/index.php?filter=eurus
[08:22] <jcoxon> filter it
[08:22] <jonsowman> good idea
[08:22] <priyesh> 17 hours
[08:22] <priyesh> :D
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[08:22] <F6AGV> funny this is exactly it
[08:22] <jcoxon> i might turn off the predictor
[08:22] <jcoxon> not really helping
[08:23] <jonsowman> yeah can do
[08:23] <jonsowman> i only did it for xaben really
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[08:24] <G0MJW> Is there a new algorithm generating the blue circle?
[08:25] <jonsowman> i dont think so G0MJW, why do you ask>
[08:26] <G0MJW> Just wondered. It looks suspiciously like twice the green one.
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[08:26] <G0MJW> AndI thought you were going to correct it to account for lap distortions
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[08:27] <jcoxon> i think its quite a simple algorithm
[08:28] <F6AGV> Thanks for nice night and good sunday all
[08:29] <F6AGV> I must quit the chat bye
[08:29] <jcoxon> bye
[08:30] <fsphil> relocated to the office
[08:30] <F6AGV> bye James glad to see you next balloon fine job to your team !
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[08:31] <navrac_> aggh, managed to get the aerial to reach the receiver - but annoyingluy too weak to decode
[08:31] <fsphil> it's gotten quite weak here again too
[08:31] <fsphil> it comes and goes
[08:32] <navrac_> seems to be a fair bit of drift for a float
[08:32] <jcoxon> it was very stable last night
[08:33] <jcoxon> pushing upwards
[08:33] <fsphil> yea
[08:33] <G0MJW> Sometimes I get valid decodes that don't make it to the tracker
[08:33] <fsphil> can the predictor be setup to show where it would land if it burst right now?
[08:33] <fsphil> it's turning more west now
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[08:33] <jcoxon> G0MJW, if there is no gps lock it just saves them
[08:34] <G0MJW> A - that will be teh3
[08:34] <G0MJW> the 3
[08:34] <jcoxon> yeah
[08:35] <fsphil> goodness, F5APQ still receiving it
[08:35] <navrac_> ooh show off!
[08:35] <fsphil> just partial strings here
[08:35] <daveake> The UpuForce is strong with him
[08:36] <fsphil> he has much woo woo
[08:36] <jcoxon> worringly high
[08:36] <fsphil> ah, got a decode
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[08:36] <navrac_> getting stronger, but below the local qrm which bursts over it mid string
[08:36] <G0MJW> Sl last on GPS was 0.
[08:37] <fsphil> not so much busrty noise here, just those annoying carriers
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[08:37] <fsphil> which I think are coming from my ethernet cables
[08:37] <Broliv> Morning guys
[08:37] <G0MJW> And zero again.
[08:37] <fsphil> hiya Broliv
[08:37] <navrac_> I get bursts every 5 seconds from two adjacent frequencies about 50k wide signals
[08:37] <fsphil> signal on the yagi getting stronger
[08:37] <fsphil> despite pointing west :)
[08:38] <G0MJW> Why would someone in Ireland point west?
[08:39] <fsphil> I expected it to have travelled past me overnight
[08:39] <G0MJW> Ah. I see.
[08:39] <fsphil> heading almost directly west now
[08:39] <fsphil> guess it's not going overhead here
[08:40] <fsphil> those carriers are interfering again
[08:40] <G0MJW> It does not seem to be going anywhere at the moment.
[08:40] <fsphil> the bump in the night was odd
[08:40] <navrac_> aggh so close to a decode its frustrating
[08:41] <jcoxon> go down a bit silly balloon
[08:41] <G0MJW> jcoxon - how have you managed to get to the IoM so quickly?
[08:42] <G0MJW> Is that a remote receiver?
[08:42] <jcoxon> yeh
[08:42] <jcoxon> and not very good one as well
[08:42] <RocketBoy> its well deaf
[08:43] <jcoxon> this ascent rate might be the end of the balloon
[08:43] <fsphil> yea, it's picking up
[08:43] <fsphil> I won't be able to track it to the ground at this distance
[08:44] <fsphil> going down a bit
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[08:46] <navrac_> I just popped the mast down and put it back up to get another 6 inches or so to clear the house better and the signals weaker. I hate RF sometimes
[08:47] <fsphil> might not be anything you did
[08:47] <fsphil> the signal strengh is hugly variable
[08:47] <navrac_> yep - probably
[08:47] <fsphil> I'm going from decodes to no trace on the waterfall
[08:48] <jonsowman> i was getting that yesterday
[08:48] <navrac_> I seem to just pick up more local qrm instead
[08:49] <fsphil> gone again
[08:50] <fsphil> and back
[08:51] <jonsowman> F5APQ: you must have an amazing antenna setup
[08:52] <fsphil> yes. we must see pictures :)
[08:52] <jonsowman> fsphil: Upu not picking it up any more?
[08:53] <fsphil> I've logged out of his station, it hasn't got a string in a few hours
[08:53] <fsphil> must check again
[08:53] <jonsowman> that's surprising
[08:53] <jonsowman> it's normally excellent
[08:53] <jonsowman> hardware issue?
[08:54] <fsphil> geography I think
[08:54] <fsphil> he has a blind spot to the west
[08:54] <jonsowman> ah i see
[08:54] <F5APQ> Only vezry old 21el from Tonna Horizontal abt 15m asl
[08:55] <fsphil> yea the signal is on the waterfall but only just
[08:56] <jonsowman> fsphil: dial?
[08:56] <fsphil> jcoxon: what's the condition for the radio change?
[08:56] <fsphil> 434.197.500
[08:56] <jonsowman> ta
[08:56] <jcoxon> -6.0
[08:56] <navrac_> 434.197.6
[08:57] <fsphil> not too long to go then
[08:57] <jcoxon> oh gt is 434198500
[08:57] <jonsowman> nothing on the apexhab tracker, unsurprisingly
[08:57] <cuddykid> absolutely epic flight, great work jcoxon
[08:57] <jcoxon> its creeping up
[08:57] <daveake> No doubt we'll see the battery drop by a few microvolts when it switches :p
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[08:58] <navrac_> yep certainly is a great flight - although I think its going to cost me money - I now have to upgrade my radio gear
[08:58] <jonsowman> daveake: just as well it's so precise
[08:59] <jcoxon> i think the payload antenna is a big isue
[08:59] <jcoxon> going to get RocketBoy to make the next one...
[08:59] <jonsowman> there's certainly something different
[09:00] <fsphil> navrac_: yea I feel a spend coming on too :)
[09:00] <navrac_> I've looked and with some new brackets and a bit of welding I think I can get another 3m on the mast height..
[09:01] <navrac_> and I've ordered the preamp kit
[09:02] <jonsowman> fldigi is quite confused by the lack of decimal point in the lat/long
[09:03] <fsphil> yea
[09:03] <jonsowman> the "distance" field is a rather large number
[09:03] <fsphil> oh, the signal at upuradio has actually improved
[09:03] <jcoxon> i'll fix that at some point
[09:03] <fsphil> still not decoding though
[09:04] <jonsowman> pretty sure it's not 59e9 km away
[09:04] <fsphil> would explain the weak signal
[09:04] <jonsowman> true
[09:04] <joph> i hate this raspberry, suddenly I've got just 128/256MB ram
[09:04] <fsphil> marshab
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[09:05] <joph> it makes the split on 128/128MB
[09:05] <jonsowman> fsphil: it would take the signal 2.3 days to reach us at that distance
[09:05] <jonsowman> also the chase car fuel expenses would be prohibitive
[09:06] <fsphil> only the first 100km anyway
[09:06] <fsphil> the rest would be free
[09:06] <jonsowman> haha
[09:06] <jcoxon> hmmm no data
[09:06] <fsphil> signal is very weak here
[09:06] <fsphil> doesn't look like a burst
[09:06] <jonsowman> come on, get to -6 lon
[09:06] <fsphil> still steady
[09:07] <jonsowman> G0MJW is doing really well
[09:08] <fsphil> coming back a bit
[09:08] <fsphil> UURUS
[09:08] <fsphil> silly qrm
[09:08] <fsphil> grrr
[09:09] <Elmar_PD3EM> time for 2i0vim to wake up
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[09:09] <fsphil> he is
[09:09] <fsphil> sorta
[09:09] <jonsowman> noo don't turn north
[09:09] <G0MJW> Transmitting on 80m took out the ADSL
[09:09] <fsphil> d'oh
[09:09] <jonsowman> G0MJW: lol
[09:09] <jonsowman> oops
[09:09] <fsphil> nice signal again but that carrier
[09:09] <G0MJW> AMSAT UK Net.
[09:10] <fsphil> I'm gonna have to change to shielded cat5 cables
[09:10] <jcoxon> G0MJW, know others who might like to track
[09:10] <jcoxon> it just loves cities
[09:10] <fsphil> lol
[09:10] <fsphil> north again
[09:11] <fsphil> are there contact details on it jcoxon?
[09:11] <jcoxon> yup
[09:11] <jonsowman> averaging over the last 30 mins it should reach -6 in 55 minutes
[09:12] <jonsowman> but it's turning north a bit
[09:12] <fsphil> as long as it doesn't start going east
[09:12] <jonsowman> yeah
[09:12] <G0MJW> jcoxon - ask at the next AMSAT?
[09:12] <jcoxon> :-)
[09:12] <fsphil> it seems to be drawing a dolphin
[09:13] <fsphil> or a shark in a wave
[09:13] <jcoxon> actually there was a talk a few years ago iirc
[09:13] <jonsowman> fsphil: haha
[09:13] <G0MJW> Talk by some reprobates from Cambridge?
[09:13] <jcoxon> like a dolphin entering the sea from a jump
[09:13] <jcoxon> thats the ones
[09:14] <G0MJW> Hmm. I wonder where they are now? Will lose internet soon again.
[09:15] <jonsowman> jcoxon: what units is the radio power field in?
[09:15] <G0MJW> Picowatts I think.
[09:15] <jonsowman> :P
[09:16] <jcoxon> its the setting
[09:16] <jcoxon> 0x04 is 10mW
[09:17] <jcoxon> 0x07 is 100mW
[09:17] <jonsowman> ah okay
[09:17] <jonsowman> cool
[09:17] <jcoxon> the antenna makes it pico though :)
[09:17] <jonsowman> hehe
[09:17] <jonsowman> what is the antenna?
[09:17] <jcoxon> too high, come down a bit
[09:17] <jcoxon> gra
[09:17] <jcoxon> 1/4 wave 2 radials
[09:17] <jcoxon> on the side
[09:17] <jcoxon> that might be the issue
[09:18] <jonsowman> mm, hard to know really
[09:18] <G0MJW> Two radials? Why not 3 or 4?
[09:18] <G0MJW> No wonder it is non-omni.
[09:18] <jcoxon> 2 has worked well before
[09:18] <jcoxon> but i'm going back to 4
[09:18] <jonsowman> yeah quite a few flights have used two
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[09:20] <navrac_> if you do another one can i send you a tiny payload using a jpole to sling underneath to compare?
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[09:20] <jonsowman> wasps are so stupid.
[09:20] <fsphil> yes
[09:20] <fsphil> yes they are
[09:21] <fsphil> got three stations running here, shame I can't combine them somehow
[09:22] <fsphil> setup an array of yagis, each one with an rtl-sdr
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[09:22] <fsphil> would still work out cheaper than a phasing harness
[09:22] <jonsowman> fsphil: yeah
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[09:22] <fsphil> 36km altitude
[09:22] <jonsowman> i was wondering if you do the rtty demodulation in gnuradio
[09:22] <jonsowman> *you could do
[09:23] <fsphil> ooh you're receiving it Rob_m0dts
[09:23] <jonsowman> then you just spawn a new decoder for each payload in the band
[09:23] <fsphil> yep
[09:23] <fsphil> that would be neat
[09:23] <jonsowman> then have a python script or something to get the decoded data from gnuradio via xmlrpc or something, and send it to habitat
[09:23] <fsphil> have it controlled by the data from habhub
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[09:24] <fsphil> you could make a habitat module for gnuradio
[09:24] <fsphil> it's all python anyway
[09:24] <jonsowman> i was thinking that
[09:24] <jonsowman> that'd be really neat
[09:24] <jonsowman> i think the main stumbling block is the rtty decoder
[09:25] <fsphil> I've lost the signal on the colinear
[09:25] <fsphil> oh there it is
[09:25] <jonsowman> :)
[09:26] <fsphil> gnuradio seems to have all the bits necessary
[09:26] <jonsowman> fsphil: https://github.com/bistromath/gr-rtty
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[09:27] <fsphil> ooh
[09:27] <g0mjw> Er?
[09:27] <fsphil> aah
[09:27] <fsphil> just admiring some rtty code
[09:27] <Rob_m0dts> just got up, nice to see EURUS still floating
[09:28] <g0mjw> Hi Rob. Good signal?
[09:28] <fsphil> at the moment it's like hadie:2 in reverse
[09:28] <jonsowman> haha
[09:28] <Rob_m0dts> signal is fair but way above beamwidth of my antenna
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[09:29] <fsphil> gone again here
[09:29] <fsphil> not even the idle carrier is visible
[09:29] <g0mjw> I need to work on my antenna
[09:29] <jonsowman> i like his github name
[09:30] <fsphil> github sounds like an old-persons dating website
[09:30] <jonsowman> haha
[09:30] <Rob_m0dts> ha
[09:30] <g0mjw> It is isn't it?
[09:31] <g0mjw> Worse is having to git clone.
[09:31] <fsphil> git pull is worse
[09:32] <jonsowman> now you mention it.. git checkout
[09:33] <jcoxon> got a signal in suffolk
[09:33] <fsphil> signal in yorkshire has been improving
[09:33] <fsphil> pretty bad here
[09:34] <g0mjw> You know this is where RS coding would help. I keep getting burts errors due to QRM
[09:34] <fsphil> convolution coding or something similar would be more useful for this, where the string length is variable
[09:35] <g0mjw> just use puncturing
[09:35] <g0mjw> Convolutional coding is not so good with burst errors.
[09:36] <fsphil> interesting
[09:36] <g0mjw> Making all the strings fixed length isn't so bad either!
[09:36] <fsphil> that won't happen :)
[09:37] <fsphil> everyone puts someting different in there
[09:37] <jonsowman> yeah that'd be too restrictive
[09:37] <jonsowman> also unnecessary really
[09:37] <fsphil> heading west again
[09:37] <g0mjw> Why? I don't mean same length for different flights. Just all the same for a flight
[09:38] <jonsowman> oh i see
[09:38] <jonsowman> i don't think it'd be a huge advantage still
[09:39] <g0mjw> Yes it would. I get 99% of the striing, lose 1 or two characters at most.
[09:39] <g0mjw> e.g. $$EURUS,35d4,09½19,541846270,-57340638,36131,10,3,917,6,4*C3C7 would be correctable.
[09:39] <fsphil> wouldn't convolution coding be just as good as handling that as RS codes?
[09:39] <jonsowman> yeah, the way to fix that is with FEC
[09:40] <jcoxon> g0mjw, i think for the UK normal flights strength in numbers is the approach
[09:40] <g0mjw> The advantage of RS codes is the parity could be at the end of the packet. That means the data would be still readable without decoding.
[09:40] <fsphil> that is true
[09:41] <g0mjw> But you are talking about going long range aren't you?
[09:41] <jcoxon> we are but we know our limits
[09:41] <jcoxon> looking at alternatives for further away
[09:42] <jonsowman> decoding isn't usually this much of an issue
[09:42] <jcoxon> no its my fault :-)
[09:42] <daveake> :)
[09:42] <jonsowman> the usual point at which things break is the horizon
[09:42] <jonsowman> at which point FEC/RS etc might get you one or two more strings
[09:43] <jonsowman> but really there's nothing you can do once it's over the horizon
[09:43] <g0mjw> I think most people have trouble with burst signals causing interference rather than weak signals.
[09:43] <jonsowman> yeah, it does happen, but usually not so much that nothing is decoded for long periods
[09:44] <jonsowman> also the upper end of 434 appears to be better for QRM
[09:44] <g0mjw> Wait until PT really takes off.
[09:44] <jonsowman> anyway, bbl
[09:44] <g0mjw> PLT
[09:44] <jcoxon> fsphil, its drawing the tail of the dolphin
[09:44] <fsphil> hah
[09:44] <fsphil> that's one heck of a big art attack
[09:46] <fsphil> if it burst now I think it would make land
[09:46] <g0mjw> Newcastle
[09:47] <fsphil> not to be confused with Newcastle
[09:47] <cuddykid> at this rate another ~30mins until radio power is cranked up
[09:48] <Rob_m0dts> ah we are in power saving mode.. any idea what power?
[09:48] <fsphil> 10mw
[09:48] <jcoxon> Rob_m0dts, bad antenna
[09:48] <Rob_m0dts> ah ok
[09:49] <fsphil> but yea, wet string :)
[09:49] <fsphil> ooh got a string
[09:49] <Rob_m0dts> ~S3 here.. reasonable but would expect S9 normally.
[09:49] <fsphil> first in ages
[09:50] <g0mjw> Very weak here now.
[09:52] <g0mjw> And the burst interference is much more frequent
[09:53] <fsphil> yagi is starting to decode text
[09:53] <fsphil> colinear still doing better though
[09:53] <daveake> clever yagi
[09:53] <fsphil> yes, it got good grades at school
[09:53] <g0mjw> Landfall
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[09:53] <jcoxon> :-)
[09:54] <nick_> Morning all
[09:54] <daveake> Mine only got as far as elementary school
[09:54] <Broliv> Morning Nick
[09:54] <cuddykid> haha daveake
[09:55] <fsphil> it didn't gain enough qualifications?
[09:55] <daveake> lol
[09:55] <nick_> How did yesterday's launch go?
[09:55] <daveake> dammit I knew there was another joke there somewhere :)
[09:55] <fsphil> it's still going lol
[09:55] <fsphil> nick_, just made land over N.Ireland
[09:55] <fsphil> a first I think
[09:55] <nick_> Did anyone find it?
[09:55] <fsphil> it's still in the air
[09:56] <fsphil> the other launch yesterday, xaben, was recovered
[09:56] <fsphil> eurus is still flying
[09:56] <nick_> Don't the winds usually go the other way?
[09:56] <fsphil> they do indeed
[09:57] <fsphil> -5.9 lon
[09:57] <fsphil> signal very weak here again
[09:58] <g0mjw> Stronger here fsphil
[09:58] <fsphil> aye. definitely directional
[09:59] <Rob_m0dts> i get deep fades now and again
[09:59] <fsphil> I could probably see this thing now
[10:00] <Rob_m0dts> could do with a tracking telescope!
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[10:03] <fsphil> -5.97
[10:03] <fsphil> so I guess high power mode now is really just normal power mode
[10:04] <nick_> How did they design it to float?
[10:04] <fsphil> the balloon was underfilled
[10:04] <fsphil> it had only enough lift to ascend
[10:04] <nick_> Light payload?
[10:04] <fsphil> but not enough to get high enough to burst
[10:04] <fsphil> I think so, but it would work with a heavier payload too
[10:04] <SpeedEvil> The balloon stretches elastically, then it acts a bit rigid just before it bursts.
[10:05] <jcoxon> just to warn
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[10:05] <SpeedEvil> This rigidity - to an approximation - requires some excess lift to 'get past' and burst the balloon.
[10:05] <jcoxon> the code might not work...
[10:05] <cuddykid> any second now :P
[10:05] <fsphil> this could blow up jcoxon? :)
[10:06] <SpeedEvil> Otherwise what happens is the rigidity is enough to compress the fill gas so there is no lift
[10:06] <SpeedEvil> And it hovers
[10:06] <fsphil> same strength
[10:06] <cuddykid> :S
[10:06] <fsphil> at least I'll be out of the null soon
[10:07] <jcoxon> give it a chance
[10:07] <jcoxon> if it works it'll switch on string 3641
[10:07] <jcoxon> well after 3640
[10:07] <fsphil> ah yes
[10:07] <fsphil> the alternating thing
[10:08] <jcoxon> big if though
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[10:09] <jcoxon> yup
[10:09] <fsphil> wow
[10:09] <fsphil> drifty
[10:09] <jcoxon> there it goes
[10:09] <Rob_m0dts> hmm gone?
[10:09] <jcoxon> oh no
[10:10] <F5APQ> transmission ending ?
[10:10] <jcoxon> i've lost signal
[10:10] <g0mjw> Where did it go?
[10:10] <daveake> power up now?
[10:10] <jcoxon> it switched to high power
[10:10] <Rob_m0dts> iam getting blips now and again...
[10:10] <fsphil> I can see a line going up and down through the waterfall
[10:11] <jcoxon> eeek
[10:11] <daveake> power supply issue?
[10:11] <jcoxon> could be
[10:11] <jcoxon> batt voltage was pretty good
[10:11] <daveake> Yes, I saw
[10:11] <daveake> linear or dc-dc?
[10:11] <jcoxon> linear
[10:11] <daveake> which reg? max current?
[10:11] <jcoxon> max 500mA
[10:11] <daveake> plenty then
[10:12] <jcoxon> its not swung massively in one direction has it?
[10:12] <fsphil> these blips go all the way down to below 434.143
[10:12] <fsphil> they've stopped
[10:12] <Rob_m0dts> stil got them here
[10:12] <daveake> I've seen battery voltage drop a lot with cheap PP3-style clips
[10:12] <fsphil> no going again
[10:12] <fsphil> guess I was in the null
[10:12] <jcoxon> maybe it reset the radio
[10:13] <Rob_m0dts> default freq?
[10:13] <fsphil> the frequency seems to be going all over the place
[10:13] <jcoxon> so in 20 strings it'll go back to 10mW
[10:13] <fsphil> fingers crossed
[10:13] <fsphil> also .. we should use the ntx2 again :)
[10:14] <jcoxon> i fear the worse
[10:14] <daveake> I like those :)
[10:14] <jcoxon> they are reliable
[10:14] <fsphil> yea I'm worried too
[10:14] <daveake> If power then signal. Can't go wrong :)
[10:14] <fsphil> sitting on the last known frequency
[10:14] <cuddykid> we need a reliable uplink so changes can be made in flight
[10:15] <SpeedEvil> cuddykid: Indeed. That'd massively help. Being able to screw up the code in the air would be a huge advance.
[10:16] <fsphil> this is where a wider bandwidth would be useful. could see the signal if it comes back in a different frequency
[10:16] <Rob_m0dts> i'l pud rtlsdr on and have a look
[10:16] <jcoxon> just looking through my code
[10:16] <jcoxon> its not going to re-setup the radio
[10:16] <daveake> :(
[10:16] <jcoxon> so if the radio has rebooted then we are in trouble
[10:16] <SpeedEvil> :/
[10:16] <daveake> I've still not added that to mine; really must do
[10:17] <g0mjw> Nothing here.
[10:17] <jcoxon> its difficult to detect that it is
[10:17] <jcoxon> so 20 strings is about 6 minutes
[10:17] <r2x0t> not really, just check for some register you change in init
[10:17] <r2x0t> like frequency
[10:17] <daveake> Isn't there a register you can read (e.g.) the frequency back from to see if it's been changed since reset? Then if it's at the default setting re-setup
[10:17] <jcoxon> yes thats a good idea
[10:18] <jcoxon> i guess you set that first
[10:18] <r2x0t> then check it from time to time, if it's not set you you want, reboot
[10:18] <daveake> I've been meaning to add that for ages but haven't yet
[10:18] <daveake> Will do before my next rfm flight
[10:18] <g0mjw> Back to the antenna work then.
[10:19] <r2x0t> you can even use some register that does nothing in your mode, like sync sequence etc.
[10:19] <jcoxon> i think its over guys
[10:19] <r2x0t> write some flag there, then check that
[10:19] <F5APQ> bye all nice flight
[10:19] <jcoxon> it worked well in testing
[10:19] <jcoxon> but that of course wasn't at altitude
[10:19] <fsphil> thanks for tracking F5APQ
[10:19] <fsphil> you did amazingly well
[10:19] <jcoxon> eveything is different at altitude
[10:20] <SpeedEvil> :)
[10:20] <SpeedEvil> Congratulations on an extended flight - maybe the writing on the side will lead to recovery! :)
[10:20] <g0mjw> Last (errord) reception here EURUS,3640,10:09:19,541855253,-60376459,36304,9,3,918,6,4*4qEC
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[10:21] <jcoxon> g0mjw, it was definitely the power increase that killed it
[10:22] <g0mjw> Yes, you could see it on the waterfall, sudden strength and QSY LF and then nothing.
[10:22] <jcoxon> thank you tracking g0mjw
[10:22] <jcoxon> without you we would have struggled
[10:23] <fsphil> indeed
[10:24] <fsphil> ah well
[10:26] <daveake> shame, but epic flight, well done jcoxon
[10:26] <Broliv> Gutted for you jcoxon. Still a cracking flight though!
[10:28] <fsphil> lots of lessons learned in that flight though
[10:29] <fsphil> I've still got the horizontal lines on the waterfall
[10:30] <fsphil> what state would the rfm22b be in after a reset?
[10:30] <fsphil> would it be transmitting?
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[10:32] <Rob_m0dts> defaults to output off i think.
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[10:32] <adam_> anyone from australia in here?
[10:33] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: RT @jamescoxon: Eurus high alt balloon floating at 35km, has turned north (against predictions) #ukhas - the more trackers the better US ... [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/206694498397462530]
[10:33] <navrac_> pretty sure it sets itself to idle on reset.
[10:34] <fsphil> it might not have reset then -- those lines are still there
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[10:35] <fsphil> it's like the frequency is going up and down really fast
[10:36] <navrac_> i'm getting two pips seperated by 400Hz ish on 434.2 repeating at 8 second intervals
[10:36] <navrac_> didnt hear them earlier
[10:37] <Darkside> woooo
[10:37] <Darkside> pinged the iss
[10:37] <Darkside> while mobile
[10:37] <fsphil> don't see that here
[10:37] <fsphil> congrats Darkside :)
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[10:39] <mclane> hi, can someone tell me what is the SW behind spacenear.us?
[10:40] <mclane> I would like to install such a server locally
[10:40] <mclane> for tracking of our balloon to be launced in July
[10:40] <adam_> what are ppls thoughts on the wouxun kg-uvd1p radio?
[10:40] <adam_> '
[10:40] <adam_> \4']
[10:40] <mclane> the gsm emissions disturb my reception
[10:41] <adam_> sorry had shit im my keyboard and tried to clean it
[10:41] <jcoxon> mclane, its called habitat
[10:41] <navrac_> http://imagebin.org/214049
[10:41] <navrac_> thats what I'm seeing now on 434.2 - wasnt there this morning
[10:41] <jcoxon> i don't really recognise it
[10:43] <navrac_> didnt know wheter it was the tx trying to tx and dying - there is a chirp to it if you look closely which is a little rfm22 ish sounding - probably wishfull thinking
[10:43] <jcoxon> maybe
[10:44] <jcoxon> if it was a power issue and hte micro was resetting it would default to 10mW
[10:44] <mclane> i found habitat on github, but did not succeed to install it - in the ukhas wiki it is said that it is not ready to be installed??
[10:45] <jcoxon> its not easy at all
[10:45] <adam_> what software is that pic of?
[10:45] <jcoxon> mclane, you are welcome to use spacenear.us
[10:45] <navrac_> part of hdsdr
[10:47] <mclane> jcoxon, thanks for that but I may not be able to connect to the internet during the chase to upload data
[10:47] <mclane> there are no listeners in southern germany
[10:47] <jcoxon> i see
[10:47] <jcoxon> recruit some!
[10:47] <r2x0t> there is balloon launch in germany? when?
[10:47] <r2x0t> I can help
[10:47] <mclane> so I would like to try to have it local on the receiving machine
[10:48] <mclane> r2x0t date is not fixed yet
[10:48] <r2x0t> will it be on spacenear.us tracker?
[10:49] <jcoxon> mclane, you need habhound
[10:49] <mclane> I have tried that already; works
[10:50] <mclane> jcoxon - will try that this afternoon
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[10:55] <G0DJA> G'day all - Wedding all done
[10:56] <navrac_> jcoxon - do you use setfrequency in the rtty code?
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[10:59] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[10:59] <Lunar_Lander> YES Ireland!
[10:59] <Lunar_Lander> what's habhound jcoxon ?
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[11:06] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander: it's a program for tracking flights on a PC
[11:06] <Lunar_Lander> ah thanks
[11:06] <fsphil> like spacenear.us, only not a website
[11:06] <Lunar_Lander> ah, a local thing
[11:06] <fsphil> yep. it gets the data from the same place but the map is rendered locally
[11:07] <Lunar_Lander> ah coo
[11:07] <Lunar_Lander> #l
[11:07] <Lunar_Lander> btw sweden made it yesterday
[11:07] <fsphil> I believe the uk came second ... :)
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[11:08] <Lunar_Lander> XD if you look the other way round?
[11:08] <fsphil> lol
[11:08] <fsphil> it was a pretty awful song
[11:08] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[11:08] <Lunar_Lander> Russia like had the best performance this time
[11:08] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[11:08] <jcoxon> navrac_, yeah
[11:09] <fsphil> time for some food
[11:10] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[11:10] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon, cool that EURUS reached Ireland
[11:11] <Lunar_Lander> or NI at this time
[11:11] <jcoxon> yeah
[11:11] <jcoxon> its probably still floating
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[11:12] <Broliv> See you all later.
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[11:12] <UpuStayingOutOfT> Morning again
[11:12] <UpuStayingOutOfT> nickname should end heSun
[11:13] <Elmar_garden> haha .... hello Upu
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[11:13] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon, how do you mean?
[11:13] <Lunar_Lander> no signal?
[11:13] <UpuStayingOutOfT> EURUS stopped transmitting or no one recieved any packets recently ?
[11:13] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[11:13] Nick change: UpuStayingOutOfT -> UpuLondon
[11:15] <JFS1> Just when we were expecting Eurus to power up to 100mW it powered out.
[11:15] <G0DJA> I was just going to ask the same UpuStayingOutOfT
[11:15] <UpuLondon> maybe the power up broke it ?
[11:16] <G0DJA> Last report seems to be arround 09:20 this morning
[11:16] <JFS1> That's what seems to be the general feeling.
[11:16] Nick change: daveake -> DaveBBQ
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[11:19] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[11:19] <Lunar_Lander> hi JFS1 where are you from?
[11:19] <JFS1> South London
[11:19] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[11:19] <UpuLondon> does it power down again ?
[11:20] <JFS1> It was supposed to after 20 strings at 100mW but was never heard from again
[11:20] <UpuLondon> odd
[11:20] <Lunar_Lander> maybe a software error?
[11:21] <DaveBBQ> fsphil said the frequency was going up and down. That doesn't sound like software to me
[11:21] <UpuLondon> thats power related
[11:21] <DaveBBQ> yup
[11:22] <jcoxon> sadly yes
[11:22] <jcoxon> the 100mW killed it
[11:22] <jcoxon> it worked well on testing
[11:22] <jcoxon> but altitude is always bad
[11:23] <Lunar_Lander> :(
[11:23] <DaveBBQ> power + cold possibly?
[11:23] <Lunar_Lander> what module did you use for 100mW?
[11:23] <UpuLondon> had tp test it though
[11:24] <DaveBBQ> yep. testing on the ground only gets you so far
[11:25] <JFS1> Out of interest - does anyone try putting their HAB in a box of dry ice and seeing how long it will last?
[11:25] <jcoxon> JFS1, people often do
[11:26] <jcoxon> even the freezer irons out some issues
[11:26] <DaveBBQ> I juse a freezer, or freezer spray
[11:26] <jonsowman> hi all
[11:26] <jonsowman> what's news with eurus?
[11:26] <jcoxon> like the internal resonator in a avr doesn't work well below 0
[11:26] <jcoxon> jonsowman, powered up to 100mW and died
[11:26] <Lunar_Lander> I tested a 6Ah lipoly battery at -77°C for 7 h and still worked
[11:26] <jonsowman> jcoxon: oh :(
[11:26] <DaveBBQ> Eurus switched to 100mW then got Humperdinked
[11:26] <jonsowman> that's a shame
[11:27] <Lunar_Lander> DaveBBQ, XD
[11:27] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, thats impressive - they usually are poor below about -10
[11:27] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[11:27] <UpuLondon> using internal crystal ?
[11:27] <Lunar_Lander> I mean I took it out and then connected it to the cutdown wire
[11:27] <Lunar_Lander> I don't know how much it warmed up in that short time
[11:27] <Lunar_Lander> it was still all covered in ice
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[11:29] <Matt_soton> anyone done radio stuff? When doing a UHF output filter should one pay attention to the caps used? Or is anything that has the right value fine?
[11:30] <Darkside> if they are small value use NP0 caps
[11:30] <jcoxon> UpuLondon, i wasn't using the internal crystal (but my example was and it doesn't do well in freezers)
[11:30] <Darkside> NP0/C0G
[11:30] <UpuLondon> ok
[11:30] <jonsowman> Joey's output filters are all C0G
[11:31] <Darkside> thats for vals atound 100pf or less
[11:32] <Matt_soton> so is there anything against using caps from a capacitor 'kit' i got from ebay?
[11:33] <cuddykid> think I'm going to attempt another cutdown mechanism for next launch - coupled with a super slow ascent to try and get it to float for a bit
[11:34] <Lunar_Lander> which mechanism?
[11:34] <cuddykid> nichrome wire
[11:34] <cuddykid> same as last time, however this time I'll make sure the wire doesn't snap just before lift off!
[11:34] <jcoxon> so i think we'll be trying this sort of flight again
[11:34] <jcoxon> but aiming for a lower float
[11:35] <jonsowman> yeah
[11:35] <jonsowman> i think that's a good plan
[11:35] <Lunar_Lander> why did it snap?
[11:37] <cuddykid> Lunar_Lander: weight of wire broke solder joint
[11:37] <jcoxon> so the thinking is a valve that releases He to aim for a float say at 25km
[11:37] <cuddykid> wasn't implement very well
[11:40] <JFS1> Finding a valve that will work at that temp and with that pressure differential will be tricky.
[11:40] <Matt_soton> not sure if its even possible to get a non C0G/NP0 <20p capacitor
[11:41] <jonsowman> JFS1: benoxley's dissertation has been on this: http://www.benoxley.com/b/altitude_controller_report.pdf
[11:41] <jcoxon> jonsowman, did ben launch his valve?
[11:41] <jcoxon> JFS1, its true, the question is whether the He will actually escape
[11:42] <UpuLondon> right well back out into the sunshine, armed with factor 50 for babies , hope EURUS reappears bye
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[11:53] <JFS1> Brilliant to see the HAB community R&D. A VERY quick scan of the Ben Oxley paper implies to me that this is still developing technology.
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[11:53] <JFS1> All the mor reason to press on with it though I guess.
[11:54] <jonsowman> JFS1: he's planning to continue work on it
[11:54] <JFS1> Geat.
[11:54] <JFS1> Great even.
[11:54] <jonsowman> he is around in this channel sometimes, i'm sure he'd like to talk to you about it
[11:55] <JFS1> I see he's just quit - perhaps get him another time.
[11:55] <jonsowman> yeah, netsplit
[11:55] <r2x0t> it's just netsplit
[11:56] <jonsowman> he's normally always idling in here
[11:56] <r2x0t> should be back soon
[11:59] <JFS1> Time for lunch - bye all.
[11:59] <jonsowman> :o
[12:00] <jonsowman> ttyl
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[12:00] <r2x0t> http://www.r00t.cz//cucu_burst.png
[12:00] <r2x0t> oops, wrong channel
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[12:11] <Lunar_Lander> oh cuddykid
[12:11] <fsphil> aaah that's better
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[12:15] <Lunar_Lander> eurus still silent?
[12:15] <fsphil> urg: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18218142
[12:15] <fsphil> guess where I live
[12:15] <Lunar_Lander> ohhh
[12:15] <jcoxon> wow i've been on the other side of a netsplit
[12:16] <fsphil> was it better over there? :)
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[12:16] <jcoxon> there we go
[12:16] <fsphil> yay
[12:16] <jonsowman> oh freenode
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[12:22] <cuddykid> Lunar_Lander: DM
[12:22] <Lunar_Lander> DM?
[12:22] <cuddykid> direct message :)
[12:22] <cuddykid> dw
[12:23] <cuddykid> you picked it up
[12:23] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[12:58] <LazyLeopard> Ho hum. Seems something in a recent update has pushed dl-fldigi past my laptop's limit. Could be something to do with the kworker threads that now seem to match Xorg for CPU use. With Xorg taking 30% and a kworker taking another 30% that doesn't leave poor old dl-fldigi with sufficient spare cycles...
[12:58] <mclane> hello - can someone help me with the compilation of habhound?
[12:59] <mclane> I get an error during compilation - yajil/yajil_tree.h not found
[13:00] <mclane> however this library is installed on my pc
[13:04] <fsphil> there's a chance the version of yajl you have is not new enough
[13:05] <fsphil> which operating system are you using mclane?
[13:06] <mclane> I am on linux mint 12 ( = ubuntu 11.10)
[13:07] <craag> LazyLeopard: What desktop are you running now?
[13:08] <LazyLeopard> Lubuntu's defalt
[13:09] <LazyLeopard> default, even...
[13:09] <jonsowman> LXDE
[13:09] <craag> Oh right, I wouldn't expect that to be pushing it much, have you tried reducing the waterfall width to see if it helps?
[13:10] <LazyLeopard> Tried the Lubuntu Openbox option too, but that made no difference.
[13:10] <mclane> fsphil - the version is 1.0.12
[13:10] <fsphil> just looking at the yajl github page now
[13:11] <craag> Lubuntu is very light, I use it on my eee 701 and it's perfectly responsive.
[13:11] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, tried that. Didn't help (or at least, not noticably).
[13:11] <fsphil> it uses features in version 2 of yajl, but there was a bug so I need to see when that was fixed
[13:11] <LazyLeopard> Oh, Lubuntu is far more responsive than Unity was
[13:11] <LazyLeopard> LXDE, even. Whatever.
[13:12] <fsphil> looks like version 2.0.4 is ok
[13:12] <fsphil> you may need to compile and install it manually
[13:13] <LazyLeopard> ...but I thing the last working version of dl-fldigi I had needed about 50% of the CPU, and with the current kernel/Xorg/whatever it seems it just won't get that.
[13:13] <LazyLeopard> think, even....
[13:13] <LazyLeopard> (Sorry. Been awake since just before sunrise...)
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[13:14] <craag> I haven't heard of an Xorg changes that should cause that, have you checked whether it needs 3rd party graphics drivers?
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[13:14] <craag> There's a program under 'System Settings' or something IIRC
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[13:19] <LazyLeopard> Seems its an RV100 (Radeon 7000) which is supported by the Xorg radeon driver...
[13:23] <craag> Yep it should be
[13:24] <craag> Do you have a /etc/xorg.conf in that distro?
[13:24] <LazyLeopard> no, apparently not...
[13:25] <craag> Hmm thought not, ubuntu tends to sort that out by itself.
[13:26] <craag> Ok, well the only thing I can think of is try adding 'nomodeset' to the grub kernel-boot line and see if that makes any difference
[13:26] <craag> It might make it worse, or better, I have no idea tbh but probably worth a try.
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[13:28] <mclane> fsphil - I have now 2.0.5 installed (the latest I could find). Now I get multiple errors in habitat.o: undefined reference to 'yaji_tree_parse' and further yajl_tree functions
[13:30] <fsphil> it's probably including the wrong header ilfes
[13:30] <fsphil> files
[13:30] <fsphil> hmm
[13:30] <fsphil> where did you install 2.0.5 -- /usr/local?
[13:31] <mclane> its in /usr/local/lib
[13:32] <fsphil> you might need to edit the makefile
[13:33] <fsphil> add -I/usr/local/include
[13:33] <fsphil> and -L/usr/local/lib
[13:33] <fsphil> it's not terribly user friendly this yet :) sorry
[13:33] <fsphil> waiting on distros catching up with the version
[13:34] <mclane> I am not the makefile specialist; where do I have to add it in the makefile?
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[13:35] <mclane> just at the beginning?
[13:36] <mclane> or to be added on the lines beginning with CFLAGS / LDFLAGS?
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[13:38] <LazyLeopard> craag: That's had the effect of keeping the Xorg CPU in the Xorg process rather than split between it and a kworker, but it's still using the same(-ish) total. I guess I'll burrow and see whether there are things I can tell it not to try, and that might reduce it a bit...
[13:38] <LazyLeopard> ...but it's looking like get a new laptop time...
[13:38] <LazyLeopard> Back later.
[13:48] <fsphil> mclane: yea that'll do fine
[13:49] <fsphil> add them both to both CFLAGS and LDFLAGS
[13:49] <fsphil> hopefully that'll do the trick
[13:50] <mclane> fsphil: could compile now; however, now I get a runtime error at start: could not find libyajl.so.2 - do I need to put a symlink somewhere? will try that
[13:51] <fsphil> yea /usr/local/lib is probably not in the search path
[13:52] <fsphil> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib ./habhound
[13:52] <fsphil> may get it running
[13:53] <fsphil> it's still in the very early stages. I welcome all complaints, suggestions, insults :)
[13:56] <mclane> fsphil: I have created a symlink in /usr/lib - and that did it
[13:56] <fsphil> excellent
[13:58] <mclane> fsphil: thanks for the help!
[13:58] <fsphil> np, let me know how it goes
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[13:59] <mclane> btw EURUS is lost in (near)space?
[14:00] <jcoxon> upper atmosphere :-)
[14:01] <fsphil> it's probably above me right now
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[14:10] <mclane> fsphil: I think I found a small issue: the listener symbol appears at the integer coordinates
[14:10] <mclane> not at the ones uploaded
[14:15] <fsphil> hmm
[14:16] <fsphil> is it appearing on spacenear.us in the correct place?
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[14:17] <mclane> it appears correctly in spacenear.us
[14:17] <fsphil> which station?
[14:17] <mclane> PYSYtrack
[14:18] <fsphil> gotcha
[14:18] <fsphil> lemme see what habhound is doing
[14:18] <mclane> instead of putting me to 49.04 / 11.92 it puts me at 49 / 11
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[14:21] <fsphil> in the console, does it display the correct coordinate?
[14:21] <fsphil> it should say "listener PYSYtrack at ..."
[14:24] <mclane> no - all coordinates are only integers (not only mine)
[14:25] <mclane> e.g. "listener G0MJW at 51,000000,-1,000000 altitude 0,00"
[14:26] <fsphil> that's interesting
[14:26] <fsphil> there may be a new bug in yajl
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[14:26] <fsphil> you're using 2.0.4?
[14:27] <mclane> I have 2.0.5
[14:27] <mclane> that is the one I found in github
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[14:32] <fsphil> trying it now
[14:33] <fsphil> you cloned the github repo?
[14:34] <mclane> yes
[14:37] <mclane> Icompiled it as described in the "BUILDING" text file - manual option; and installed it with make install
[14:40] <fsphil> nope, works here with 2.0.5
[14:40] <fsphil> oh wait, wrong lib
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[14:41] <fsphil> no that still works
[14:43] <fsphil> I had to add -lm to the LDFLAGs and CFLAGS though
[14:43] <fsphil> try that
[14:43] <fsphil> I can't think of any other difference
[14:46] <mclane> I tried, but no difference.
[14:46] <fsphil> I will install mint later and see if there's a difference
[14:47] <fsphil> but at the moment I'm not sure
[14:47] <mclane> maybe one thing: the decimal separator is a , instead of a .
[14:47] <fsphil> where at?
[14:48] <mclane> maybe there is some issue with the locale (having a german installation
[14:48] <fsphil> that could be it
[14:49] <mclane> you can see here: (copy from terminal) "listener DAVEAKE at 51,000000,-1,000000 altitude 0,00"
[14:49] <mclane> should be 51.00000, -1.00000 etc?
[14:49] <fsphil> LC_ALL=C ./habhound
[14:49] <fsphil> that make any difference?
[14:51] <mclane> ok now correct
[14:51] <fsphil> yes, and I just reproduced it by doing LC_ALL="de_DE"
[14:51] <fsphil> I only see whole numbers now
[14:52] <fsphil> well caught
[14:52] <fsphil> gives me something to look at now
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[14:56] <mclane> thanks for debugging!
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[15:01] <fsphil> yajl uses strtod to parse floats, which has different behaviour depending on the locale
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[15:57] <fsphil> it's glorious outside
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[16:04] <cuddykid> wonder if EURUS is still floating :)
[16:04] <fsphil> I did do a quick scan of the sky when I was out :)
[16:05] <fsphil> I doubt even someone with good eyesight would spot it
[16:05] <cuddykid> guess you'd need a really decent pair of binos and know exactly where to look
[16:06] <r2x0t> may be possible just after sunset on ground
[16:07] <r2x0t> with bigger telescope, but you really don't even know where to look
[16:07] <fsphil> it would be tricky even with a position
[16:07] <fsphil> but people have managed it
[16:07] <fsphil> there are some pretty good videos on youtube of met sondes bursting
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[17:14] <UpuTrain> 15 mins free wifi used 14 of them connecting...
[17:14] <Laurenceb_> so what happened to EURUS?
[17:15] <UpuTrain> Anything heard from Eurus ?
[17:15] <Laurenceb_> it died?
[17:15] <Laurenceb_> i wonder if it popped and something broke
[17:15] <Laurenceb_> if it did it should have landed on land
[17:16] <UpuTrain> Last I heard was it went to full TX power and wasn't heard from again
[17:16] <fsphil> yea, no signal since
[17:16] <fsphil> would very well still be up there
[17:16] <UpuTrain> Shames
[17:17] <UpuTrain> Ok probably about to disconnect to ttyl
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[17:17] <fsphil> yay free wifi :)
[17:19] <WillDuckworth> how did eurus go?
[17:22] <jonsowman> WillDuckworth: was fine until it tried to switch to high power
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[17:23] <WillDuckworth> ah - saw on the tracker it seemed to have an abrupt stop
[17:24] <jonsowman> switching to 100mW killed it
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[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> why is everyone silent?
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[19:01] <SpeedEvil> I'm mostly asleep.
[19:02] Action: fsphil is mostly watching telly
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:03] <joph> Lunar_Lander, SILENCE, i kill you! :D
[19:03] <joph> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfResyFrqlM
[19:03] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL!
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[19:14] <SamSilver_> spacenear.us is a tad broken on firefox
[19:15] <jonsowman> yes
[19:15] <jonsowman> too many data points
[19:15] <jonsowman> firefox goes "oh no oh no oh no i can't deal with this" and dies
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> ohh
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> what now?
[19:16] <jonsowman> SamSilver_: you can filter like http://spacenear.us/tracker/index.php?filter=eurus
[19:16] <SamSilver_> thanx jonsowman
[19:17] <SamSilver_> aaahh nice!
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> is EURUS back?
[19:18] <fsphil> nope
[19:18] <Lunar_Lander> ohh
[19:19] <SamSilver_> Lunar_Lander: there are a lot of folk sitting around looking at spacenear.us wishing for a sign
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:19] Action: fsphil scans the radio waves
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> I also hope that it'll transmit again
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> can someone get up there and service it?
[19:20] <SamSilver_> Buzz might be able to
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:21] <SamSilver_> do we know if it is Tx ing or not or there just not anyone Rx ing it
[19:22] <russss> if a tree falls in a forest, does it make a sound?
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:22] <SamSilver_> last report was just after it crossed -6
[19:23] <SamSilver_> Position: 54.185525,-6.037646
[19:23] <SamSilver_> did that coincide with a 100 report
[19:24] <SamSilver_> afk
[19:25] <daveake> evening all. BBQ party over. Food went down well. Not too much vino
[19:26] <fsphil> SamSilver_: radio died
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> :)
[19:26] <fsphil> there where about five people listening to it at the time
[19:27] <fsphil> there's a spider making a web in the corner of my monitor
[19:28] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: It's considerably more annoying if you get insects inside the monitor.
[19:28] <fsphil> indeed
[19:28] <SpeedEvil> I managed to get a bug in between the LCD and the backlight of my screen.
[19:28] <daveake> thunderflies
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> earlier, DMAX (german TV station) showed a dubbed episode of Top Gear from 2007 in which the hosts raced in lorries
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> one of them was like burned down
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> and they crashed into a brick wall and an office container and stuff
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[20:02] <g0mjw> Rotator fixed - hopefully
[20:02] <fsphil> nice
[20:02] <fsphil> which one you got?
[20:03] <g0mjw> GS5400. One of the screws holding the motor had worked loose. Easy to fix but getting inside was not. due to soft screw heads.
[20:04] <g0mjw> Now, Where is EURUS?
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[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> hello RocketBoy
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> congratulations for the new record
[20:07] <RocketBoy> thanks
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> you're welcome + awesome
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[20:18] <daveake> He's peaked now. My turn next lol
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:19] <mclane> what about eurus?
[20:19] <daveake> Lost after it switched rf power up to 100mW, sadly
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[20:22] <fsphil> it released the magic smoke
[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
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[20:49] <Adam012> What happened to Eurus?
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> The battery died after it switched to 'high power' mode on the radio
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> Instantly after.
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> No more signal.
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> With it still at altitude
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[20:51] <Adam012> Damn, any chance of it being found/back up transmitter etc?
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> No backup transmitter - if it bursts and is found on the ground, in principle it could be found.
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> But if it diddn't burst soon, it was heading out to sea.
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[20:54] <Adam012> Is there a website for it or was it an undocumented build?
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[20:55] <SpeedEvil> I don't know if there were build docs.
[20:57] <fsphil> isn't really anything out there for it
[20:57] <Adam012> Thanks for catching me up SpeedEvil. While you're on, is there anything online about the Xaben builds?
[20:58] <SpeedEvil> nope.
[20:58] <SpeedEvil> I don't know, I mean
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[20:59] <Adam012> That's okay, I've searched myself but without any luck as both projects caught my eye. Do you know of any tutorials for getting an Ublox 6 and an Arduino talking?
[21:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> Adam012: check http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:falcom_fsa03
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[21:00] <Adam012> All the old commands still work? That's great!
[21:02] <Elmar_PD3EM> a lot of code can be found on github from various guys on this channel
[21:03] <Adam012> That will be a huge help. This project (Horizon) has been a big step up for me in terms of the coding required and it's good to have some tried and tested code to work and test with before I embark on writing my own.
[21:05] <jonsowman> Adam012: got any documention etc for your project?
[21:05] <Adam012> Thank you SpeedEvil and Elmar_PD3EM for answering all of my questions, I really appreciate you taking the time to reply.
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[21:08] <Elmar_PD3EM> you're welcome Adam012! I'm also still learning ;-) Gonna do my first launch later this year
[21:08] <Adam012> @jonsowman - nothing online yet as y12 exams began before we could get the website up and running. We'll start up again mid-June once the AS exams are over and the students are back from half-term.
[21:08] <jonsowman> good stuff Adam012, where are you based?
[21:09] <Adam012> We're based in Walsall, Queen Mary's Grammar School. I'm based just outside of Rugeley in Staffordshire.
[21:10] <Randomskk> cool. what kind of platform are you using for your payload? arduino/avr/?
[21:10] <jonsowman> great
[21:10] <Laurenceb_> Adam012: not far from me
[21:10] Action: Randomskk is also named Adam! but sadly no longer y12
[21:10] <Adam012> @Elmar_PD3EM - We're not launching until next year (Feb/March). Have you got a website/blog for your build?
[21:10] <Laurenceb_> Adam012: im just West of Derby
[21:11] <Adam012> @Randomskk - We're using the Arduino Uno for the environmental monitoring/logging computer and the Arduino Mini Pro 3.3V for the flight computer.
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> hello Elmar_PD3EM
[21:11] <Elmar_PD3EM> Adam012: see http://www.pd3em.com/
[21:11] <Randomskk> cool.
[21:11] <Elmar_PD3EM> hi LL
[21:12] <Adam012> @Randomskk - I'm a little past y12, try yr 28!
[21:12] <Randomskk> aah :P
[21:12] <Randomskk> teacher then? what subject?
[21:12] <Adam012> Hi Laurenceb_
[21:12] <jonsowman> I'm year 16 I think...
[21:12] <jonsowman> hmm
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> cool a friend of mine now also has cable.virginmedia
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:13] <Randomskk> damn numbers keep resetting :P
[21:13] <daveake> I'm year too-old-to-remember
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> he is in Northampton
[21:13] <Adam012> I teach mathematics and applied mathematics. I also run the Cipher Challenge teams.
[21:13] <Randomskk> who is doing fireworks now...
[21:13] <Laurenceb_> year 20 here
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> year 17 afaik
[21:14] <Laurenceb_> no.. 21
[21:14] Action: Laurenceb_ fails at counting
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[21:14] <Laurenceb_> im way too old
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[21:15] <Elmar_PD3EM> I'm 20 years... stopped changing the answer to the same question years ago ;-)
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> I think we talk about schoolyears
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> in real years I am 22
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[21:19] <Adam012> I emailed the CAA to find out whether they would grant us permission to launch from the school field. I emailed them a second time 3 weeks later. After a further fortnight I called them and was told I would have an answer within a week. That was 3 weeks ago. Are they always this helpful or is it just me?
[21:20] <russss> they are famously slow
[21:20] <Randomskk> that is standard fare
[21:20] <Elmar_PD3EM> owh... I'm not going to school anymore for 24 years now ;-)
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[21:22] <Adam012> Should I just keep bugging them?
[21:22] <Randomskk> yea.
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[21:22] <Randomskk> nicely :P
[21:23] <daveake> CAA = Certificates After Ages
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[21:24] <fsphil> that's about right
[21:26] <jonsowman> speaking of which
[21:27] <jonsowman> chase DM is on my todo list for tomorrow
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:28] <daveake> :-). He must be busier each year than before
[21:28] <jonsowman> he might have to start coming into the office two days a week
[21:28] <daveake> lol
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> Elmar_PD3EM, still on?
[21:36] <Elmar_PD3EM> yep.. I think so ;-)
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:36] <Elmar_PD3EM> has been turning the dial on 40 meter
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> anything interesting?
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[21:39] <Adam012> Good night all and thank you for all the advice! Elmar, I'll keep an eye on your project. Looking forward to your launch.
[21:39] <chris_99> hs anyone done anything with RTTY decoding, where it automaticlly alters the frequency to account for drift
[21:40] <Randomskk> dl-fldigi can both track the signal inside the audio passband and retune your radio via rigcontrol if the signal leaves the passband
[21:40] <jonsowman> chris_99: also there have been various attempts to compensate the transmit side radio
[21:40] <chris_99> oh interesting, didn't know it could do that Randomskk
[21:40] <jonsowman> Adam012: please do come back with any questions if you have them
[21:41] <Adam012> Thank you for your support jon, it's much appreciated!
[21:42] <jonsowman> Adam012: also give us warning of your launch, lots of helpful people are usually willing to help with tracking
[21:43] <jonsowman> nerdcommenter for vim, how did i live without that?
[21:44] <Adam012> I plan to get as much data up on UKHAS as possible and keep eveyone up-to-date once we pick up a bit of momentum. Rapid Electronics are onboard as our first sponsor and now we're trying to get a Go Pro donated and raise £300 for a second launch and Diesel for the two chase vehicles.
[21:45] <jonsowman> Rapid are a great sponsor to have on board, good work
[21:45] <Adam012> I love this project and it's keeping me very busy!
[21:45] <jonsowman> It is good fun
[21:45] <Laurenceb_> vin diesel is your sponsor?
[21:45] <Adam012> Chris and the team over at Rapid have been great, we are very grateful for their kindness.
[21:46] <jonsowman> Adam012: so they're giving you cash, or parts? or both?
[21:47] <Adam012> Parts (and some training gear in the form of prototyping board, jumper cabling and a couple of Arduino Unos).
[21:47] <jonsowman> Good stuff
[21:47] <jonsowman> have you got your tracking kit sorted?
[21:48] <Adam012> We know what we need, I just need to contact Upu and place an order.
[21:48] <Randomskk> ground side radio?
[21:48] <jonsowman> sorry, yes, the ground side kit
[21:49] <Upu> evening Adam012
[21:49] <Adam012> May need a little help with a coax ariel. The radio is a FT790 on loan from jcoxon. We have a little whip for it but I was thinking about building a handheld yagi as well.
[21:50] <Upu> where are you launching from ?
[21:50] <Adam012> Good evening Upu!
[21:50] <Adam012> Hopefully the back field of Queen Mary's Grammar School, Walsall (CAA dependent!)
[21:52] <Upu> oh ok thats cool closer to me than Cambridge
[21:52] <Upu> yell if you need a hand
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> hello Upu
[21:53] <jonsowman> You'd be welcome to launch in cambridge if you wanted to Adam012 (CUSF have a permanent NOTAM here) but I realise it's a long way. Still it's an option to bear in mind.
[21:53] <Upu> evening Lunar
[21:53] <Adam012> Thanks Upu. I was going to offer to help out/hold stuff/supply tea cake at someones launch over the summer to get some first hand experience.
[21:54] <Upu> Well we may be launching from the Peak District in the next few weeks
[21:54] <Upu> I'll check but I don't think there would be any reason why yuo couldn't tag along
[21:54] <Adam012> Cambridge is just a little too far for us to go. Diesel is just too expensive and time including retrieval for a first time launch would be punishing.
[21:54] <Upu> pm me your mail address
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[22:24] <fsphil> second time lucky
[22:24] <fsphil> always annoying when you forget the / when whois'ing someone :)
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[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:25] <fsphil> whois Lunar_Lander
[22:25] <fsphil> whatis The_Matrix
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[23:06] <griffonbot> Received email: bambi "[UKHAS] Beginner in Australia requests help"
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