highaltitude.log.20120524

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[00:45] <griffonbot> @vk5fsck: UPDATED: HORUS Balloon Repeater Flight Sun May 27th http://t.co/lrd7Ije3 #projecthorus #hamr [http://twitter.com/vk5fsck/status/205459359180914688]
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[05:57] <Upu> http://semiaccurate.com/2012/02/23/via-puts-out-a-very-odd-quad-core-mini-itx-board/
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[06:26] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] UKHAS Conference 2012"
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[07:09] <Darkside> http://ten.com.au/video-player.htm?movideo_p=41452&movideo_m=188920
[07:09] <Darkside> oh man
[07:09] <UpuWork-> aussie restricted
[07:11] <Darkside> hah
[07:11] <Darkside> oh well
[07:13] <cuddykid> got an email back from gobandit - they're sending me one of their vid cameras to send up!
[07:13] <cuddykid> should be quite interesting as it has a whole array of sensors on aswell
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[07:17] <UpuWork> wonder if the GPS in it has an altitude limit
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[07:18] <cuddykid> yeah, I bet it does
[07:18] <Darkside> heh
[07:18] <UpuWork> Have a word with their techies
[07:18] <UpuWork> see if we can desolder it :)
[07:18] <cuddykid> only weighs ~140g I think, lighter than gopro
[07:18] <Darkside> uh
[07:18] <Darkside> gopto is like 70g
[07:18] <UpuWork> 5hz refresh rate
[07:18] <Darkside> yeah thats not going to work >18km
[07:18] <UpuWork> on the GPS
[07:18] <Darkside> thats probably a venus
[07:18] <Darkside> or a SIRF
[07:19] <cuddykid> right - exam, bbl
[07:19] <UpuWork> have fun
[07:20] <Darkside> GPS
[07:20] <Darkside> SIRFSTARIV, 3D, 5HZ UPDATE
[07:20] <UpuWork> will be fixable in firmware
[07:20] <Darkside> if you can get to the gps;s firmware
[07:21] <UpuWork> interesting inventek haven't released a high altitude version of the IV SiRF yet
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[07:25] <UpuWork> morning daveake
[07:25] <daveake> morning UpuWork
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[07:40] <fsphil> another summer day. hope this lasts until the weekend
[07:41] <jonsowman> stupid cambridge microclimate
[07:41] <fsphil> cold again?
[07:41] <fsphil> I don't understand that
[07:41] <jonsowman> cloudly and cold
[07:41] <jonsowman> -l
[07:41] <jonsowman> :(
[07:43] <jonsowman> better head over to engineering, bbl
[07:44] Action: fsphil imagines someone at Cambridge testing their new cloud generator
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[07:47] <daveake> ANU1 seemed to have its own microclimate of rain and snow going up through the clouds
[07:48] <UpuWork> cold ?
[07:48] <UpuWork> its 24'C here already
[07:48] <UpuWork> due to get to 31' in Yorkshire today
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[07:55] <Darkside> ugh
[07:56] <Darkside> dodgy gps lock
[07:56] <Darkside> altitude was way off
[07:56] <number10> thats great UpuWork, as I'm off up the lakes tomorrow :)
[07:56] <number10> was foggy comming to cambridge this morning
[07:57] <Darkside> there we go
[07:57] <Darkside> it seems the MAX-6Q needs 5 sats to give any useful data
[07:58] <Darkside> in altitude mode anyway
[07:58] <r2x0t> these are very cool modules: http://www.nvs-gnss.com/products/receivers/item/2-nv08c-csm.html
[07:59] <Darkside> ooh
[07:59] <r2x0t> relatively cheap, 32euro
[07:59] <Darkside> won't work for ballooning though
[07:59] <Darkside> altitude cap
[07:59] <r2x0t> and does RAW GPS, so PPP with DGPS
[07:59] <r2x0t> and 10Hz
[07:59] <r2x0t> and firmware available for patching
[07:59] <Darkside> oh :P
[07:59] <Darkside> i want to fly a dual-frequency gps module
[08:00] <r2x0t> 32 channels
[08:00] <r2x0t> GPS + galileo + glonass + everything
[08:00] <Darkside> yes but its still only L1
[08:00] <r2x0t> farnell sells them
[08:00] <Darkside> there isnt enough difference between the frequencies to be able to do anything useful
[08:01] <Darkside> i think you need a few hundred MHz to do anything good
[08:01] <r2x0t> I think this is good enough:
[08:01] <r2x0t> http://michelebavaro.blogspot.com/2012/02/low-cost-rtk-performance-round-up.html
[08:02] <r2x0t> "The NV08C-CSM solves the carrier phase integer ambiguities and also brings down the accuracy to about 4cm square."
[08:02] <griffonbot> Received email: Spike (Chris Foote) "[UKHAS] DIYDrones article about 'Radiosonds'"
[08:02] <UpuWork> "Again, the NEO-6P brings the position down to 4cm square accuracy in less than 10 minutes."
[08:02] <UpuWork> Doesn't the uBLOX do GLONASS too ?
[08:03] <Darkside> no
[08:03] <UpuWork> ok
[08:03] <Darkside> oh wait, maybe there is one
[08:03] <r2x0t> maybe other one, but not 6P
[08:04] <Darkside> ok, payload #4 gets lock fine
[08:04] <Darkside> phew
[08:05] <UpuWork> Doesn't look a bad module but I think I'll stick with the MAX6
[08:05] <r2x0t> I would like to get this NVS for experiments
[08:05] <Darkside> i still want to fly a dual freq gps..
[08:05] <Darkside> too bad they are so damn expensive
[08:05] <r2x0t> maybe look around firmware for 18000
[08:05] <r2x0t> I think dual GPS + Glonass is as close as you can get without spending $$$
[08:06] <r2x0t> it's ~30MHz apart
[08:06] <r2x0t> and rx have separate filters and receive paths for them
[08:06] <Darkside> i dont think thats enough to do anything about the ionospheric distortion
[08:06] <Darkside> pretty sure you need a few hundred MHz to do anything useful
[08:07] <r2x0t> well, you can use DGPS for that
[08:08] <r2x0t> anyway, I also tried some Fastrax modules and they are exceptionally poor
[08:08] <Darkside> i think we'll all be stickign witht he ublox's for a while
[08:08] <r2x0t> wander ~100m in 1 hour with 4 sats in view
[08:09] <r2x0t> altitude jumps up and down +/-200m all the time
[08:09] <r2x0t> total C R A P
[08:09] <Darkside> hah this ublox module is doing something similar
[08:09] <Darkside> i don't trust it unless it has >4 sats in view
[08:09] <Darkside> but thats ok for ballooning, as you always have more than 4 sats inv iew
[08:10] <Darkside> my problem atm is i'm testing it inside, under a corrugated iron roof
[08:10] <Darkside> it can on;y see 1/4 of th sky
[08:10] <r2x0t> heh, this fastrax doesn't see anything when I'm inside, have to use active antenna on window for it to even find sats
[08:10] <Darkside> mm, this is using a passive antenna
[08:10] <Darkside> which doesn't help
[08:11] <Darkside> i'll let it sit for a while until more sats come into view
[08:12] <Darkside> the position is reasonable
[08:12] <Darkside> the altitude is shit though
[08:19] <gonzo_> all the angles are too acute with a limited window on the sky
[08:19] <gonzo_> and when you drop to three sats, it's all down to the gps rx clock accuracy/stability
[08:20] <gonzo_> I've seen some nasty clocks
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[09:01] <Darkside> capcom just instructed an astronaut to turn off a pc for 10 potatoes
[09:02] <UpuWork> must be russian
[09:02] <zamabe> link
[09:05] <Darkside> nope
[09:05] <Darkside> tht was to an american astronaut
[09:06] <zamabe> Darkside, link?
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[09:08] <fsphil> must be 'replace random word with a vegetable' day
[09:10] <daveake> "Please check for leeks"
[09:10] <SpeedEvil> 'Space, the final obergine'.
[09:11] <daveake> "Turnip the power"
[09:11] <Darkside> its on nasa tvzam
[09:11] <Darkside> zamabe:
[09:11] <Elwell> [citation needed]
[09:12] <zamabe> note to self, Darkside does not "link" anything
[09:12] <Darkside> its nasa tv!
[09:12] <Darkside> its not hard to find
[09:12] <Darkside> http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/
[09:13] <zamabe> No, it's not. I simply assume (quite safely) you're already at the link and can therefore provide it.
[09:13] <zamabe> also, already there
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[09:15] <Darkside> note to self: astronauts are not computer experts
[09:16] <Elwell> 'is it plugged in?'
[09:20] <kokey> how's the cots mission going?
[09:21] <russss> they just had to turn the space station off and on again
[09:22] <Darkside> hahahaha
[09:23] <kokey> wow, nasa tv works from the office
[09:23] <fsphil> I listened to them trying to fix a fault in outlook one time. scary that there's an exchange server in space
[09:24] <Darkside> haha yes
[09:24] <kokey> though it's making my citrix terminal crawl
[09:24] <Darkside> i remember this time when they had to get one of the astronauts to ping another machine
[09:24] <kokey> ok, better now
[09:24] <Darkside> and it took a veeeery long time
[09:24] <russss> there's not an exchange server up there, they FTP the .pst files up from the ground
[09:24] <fsphil> ah
[09:25] <fsphil> maybe it was the ftp server. they just called it the outlook server
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[09:27] <kokey> I wonder if the crew control panel looks like a playstation controller
[09:28] <zamabe> <wii fanboy comment here>
[09:28] <fsphil> "what's a controller"
[09:29] <russss> http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Z52.jpg
[09:29] <russss> it's the thing on the right
[09:37] <kokey> hmmm, I wonder what disk clustering I should use on Linux
[09:38] <Darkside> zfs pool!
[09:39] <SpeedEvil> kokey: nut
[09:41] <kokey> russss made me think I'm in a different channel
[09:42] <kokey> honey nut clustering, sounds like a good plan
[09:42] <russss> I'm everywhere
[09:43] <SpeedEvil> They're trying to point the cameras so they can see Dragon flyby?
[09:43] <SpeedEvil> Ah - rendevous
[09:44] <russss> some kind of calibration thing
[09:44] <eroomde> it's non commutative
[09:46] Action: fsphil learns a new word
[09:46] <eroomde> where you prefer to work from home
[09:47] <daveake> :)
[09:55] <Darkside> hehe"
[09:55] <SpeedEvil> hah
[09:55] <Darkside> "there's no issues with having to delay in the cupola, if you know what i mean"
[09:55] <SpeedEvil> 'I don't mind looking out the windows'
[09:55] <SpeedEvil> Awesome.
[09:58] <SpeedEvil> Woo - visual contact.
[09:58] <SpeedEvil> (with dragon)
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[10:04] <SpeedEvil> 'I'm not jealous, nooooo'
[10:07] <griffonbot> @NigeyUK: RT @eevblog WIN an Agilent U1732B LCR Meter http://t.co/3FIok8DN #ukhas [http://twitter.com/NigeyUK/status/205600799475249153]
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[10:16] <fsphil> dead pixels in space
[10:17] <Darkside> hehe
[10:17] <number10> yes, hapened to ANU2 ;)
[10:17] <Darkside> i think we're all watching it :P
[10:17] <fsphil> well I'm listening
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[10:25] <Darkside> haha
[10:26] <SpeedEvil> It would be awesome if there were mirrors of the various displays
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[10:38] <fsphil> who was it who was trying to receive the dragon live video?
[10:39] <SpeedEvil> I am - but I need to brush up on my remote viewing.
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[10:57] <Darkside> what a blurry dragon
[10:57] <Darkside> :P
[10:57] <russss> I can't see a bloody thing
[10:59] <daveake> It is small
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[11:05] <daveake> Difficult to see now against the Earth, but was better earlier - http://i.imgur.com/XYCkt.jpg
[11:07] <SamSilver> seems to droped into the haze that is the cloudy background
[11:08] <fsphil> that black dot in the middle?
[11:15] <daveake> In my screenshot? The grey round thing against the black space.
[11:15] <Darkside> hey you can make out the solar panels now
[11:15] <daveake> yep
[11:15] <daveake> Looks like a flying penguin :)
[11:17] <daveake> http://i.imgur.com/r3Ngb.jpg
[11:19] <UpuWork> there a live stream somewhere ?
[11:20] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: ping
[11:20] <Laurenceb> do you know much about microwave ovens?
[11:21] <WillDuckworth> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
[11:21] <WillDuckworth> getting closer
[11:21] <WillDuckworth> or zooming in
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[11:23] <Laurenceb> lol spacex mission control looks cheap and nasty
[11:23] <Laurenceb> like they spent 5 minutes at ikea
[11:24] <kokey> they should at least got some table cloths or something to make the desks look solid
[11:24] <daveake> UpuWork http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
[11:24] <daveake> though they lost video just now
[11:24] <daveake> Oh sorry too slow :)
[11:24] <UpuWork> ta
[11:25] <daveake> Only 3 monitoes each. Pah! :p
[11:25] <daveake> -e+r
[11:25] <UpuWork> tidy cabling through
[11:25] <daveake> yep
[11:25] <UpuWork> note no pc
[11:26] <WillDuckworth> yeah - neat
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[11:26] <SamSilver> penguins everywhere http://asymptotia.com/wp-images/2007/05/Pinguindiagramm1.jpg http://asymptotia.com/wp-images/2008/04/penguin_flight.jpg
[11:26] <kokey> someone hit the mute button
[11:29] <UpuWork> I see... Dark
[11:30] <UpuWork> must be space
[11:32] <fsphil> they where talking about loss of signal earlier
[11:32] <daveake> I've seen much better pictures of one spacecraft from another ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/7038083877/in/set-72157629717191599 :p
[11:34] <UpuWork> much better that one
[11:37] <fsphil> ahem... http://www.uahirise.org/phoenix-descent.php
[11:38] <Darkside> yes.
[11:38] <Darkside> that pic wins.
[11:38] <daveake> :)
[11:38] <LazyLeopard> fsphil: That one was ++++cool!
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[11:42] <SpeedEvil> So the flyby was a success?
[11:43] <SpeedEvil> Did it all happen as planned?
[11:43] <Darkside> yes
[11:43] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: ping
[11:43] <Laurenceb> do you know much about microwave ovens?
[11:43] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: They go ping.
[11:43] <Laurenceb> my microwave is overheating
[11:44] <Laurenceb> do they almost always have cooling fans for the transformer?
[11:44] <SpeedEvil> http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/micfaq.htm
[11:44] <SpeedEvil> yes
[11:44] <SpeedEvil> invariably
[11:44] <Laurenceb> hmm
[11:44] <Laurenceb> ill check that first then
[11:44] <SpeedEvil> well - strictly speaking - there is always a fan.
[11:44] <SpeedEvil> It may cool everything, depending on design, or there may be more than one
[11:44] <SpeedEvil> the above is excellent
[11:45] <SpeedEvil> Do be aware that there is 5kV@1A in there or so.
[11:45] <SpeedEvil> Teeny bit deadly. :)
[11:45] <Laurenceb> yeah
[11:45] <Laurenceb> seems to be getting very hot above transformer area
[11:45] <Laurenceb> its hard to tell if fan is running - too much other noise
[11:46] <SpeedEvil> They are not generally complex beasties.
[11:47] <SpeedEvil> What was that '23 minutes' ?
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[11:52] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: managed to get a GoBandit video cam for the next flight - hopefully will get some interesting data/footage!
[11:52] <daveake> 23 mins till the burn to take dragon away
[11:52] <SpeedEvil> ah
[11:52] <daveake> I thought he said 18.5 mins 5 mins ago :P
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[12:08] <WillDuckworth> nice one cuddykid - all sorted?
[12:10] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: not at all! haha - got 2 options atm tracker wise: 1) fly the "pico" one again (but last time it was v dodgy) with a little tweaking 2) fly the new PCB after Upu's kindly done the hard soldering :P - how about you?
[12:13] <WillDuckworth> got some new chips and boards after i accidently put too much current through, so soldering up those and code testing to do - so most of it yet to do!
[12:13] <cuddykid> brill! Hopefully the weather will stay nice and the winds will be good!
[12:14] <WillDuckworth> hopefully - permission for all of the weekends in June looking good at the mo from the Ledbury site :)
[12:21] <cuddykid> great :D
[12:21] <daveake> Suppose I'd better make something to fly then :D
[12:24] <WillDuckworth> yep - daveake; you're welcome to use the launch site too if that's any help?
[12:26] <daveake> Might be handy :-). I have applied for here though,. for 9th/10th
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[12:32] <fsphil> I've requested most of july
[12:32] Action: fsphil is optomistic
[12:33] <BrainDamage> as in you check other people's eyes with a positive attitude?
[12:34] <fsphil> exactly :p
[12:35] <fsphil> the o and i key sometimes move, just to make me look bad
[12:40] <griffonbot> Received email: Matthew Brejza "[UKHAS] UoS Physics Outreach Project Launch Announcement ('Weekend'
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[12:51] <kokey> so how are all the dragon moves panning out?
[12:53] <russss> all fine I think
[12:53] <russss> sorry, nominal
[12:53] <russss> all nominal
[13:00] <Darkside> :P
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[13:12] <Laurenceb> affirmative
[13:13] <WillDuckworth> roger
[13:14] <kokey> sweet
[13:14] <kokey> bro
[13:15] <Laurenceb> yo bro da spaceride has docked
[13:15] <Laurenceb> lets pimp this iss
[13:15] <kokey> it's packed with sweet snacks yo
[13:16] <kokey> and ash n shit
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[13:33] <gonzo_> (are they fitting lowered suspension and under floor running lights to the next launch?)
[13:34] <kokey> yeah I think that comes with the retro rockets
[13:34] <Laurenceb> lol
[13:35] <kokey> I guess the V2 is a retro rocket
[13:35] <Laurenceb> like those rockets are soooo retro
[13:35] <Laurenceb> hipster launcher: comes with retro rockets
[13:36] <russss> lol
[13:37] <SpeedEvil> gonzo: Spacex is planning suspension add-ons :)
[13:37] <SpeedEvil> gonzo: you saw the pics of the 'hopper' ?
[13:37] <daveake> purple underfloor lighting
[13:37] <SpeedEvil> It has a most excellent subwoofer - but fidelity lacks.
[13:38] <kokey> yeah, too much bass
[13:38] <kokey> but that is a good thing
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[13:39] <daveake> someone should do a hab with 2 furry dice hanging in front of the camera
[13:39] <kokey> you really want to put the modulated tesla coil kids down
[13:40] <SpeedEvil> kokey: Naah - lock them in a room with the rodin coil ones.
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[13:48] <griffonbot> Received email: MikeB "[UKHAS] Re: DIYDrones article about 'Radiosonds'"
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[13:58] <SpeedEvil> Is the spacex dragon status briefing on the hour?
[14:00] <eroomde> monroe is a machine
[14:00] <eroomde> the guy who is in that diydrones article
[14:01] <eroomde> he started going for the N-Prize as team prometheus a few years ago, seemingly knowing nothing about anything to do with engineering
[14:01] <eroomde> and we all thought he was batty
[14:01] <eroomde> i don't necessarily think any different today but you can't fault him for persistance
[14:10] <Laurenceb> lol
[14:10] <Laurenceb> monroe is insane
[14:10] <Laurenceb> in the bad way
[14:16] <fsphil> solarnrg insane?
[14:17] <eroomde> monroe has done some stuff
[14:17] <fsphil> ah
[14:18] <fsphil> not soooo bad then
[14:27] <fsphil> so hopefully tomorrow, someone will Enter the Dragon
[14:27] <eroomde> unless it aborts
[14:27] <eroomde> but they musn't be too upset
[14:27] <eroomde> that's just the Way of the Dragon
[14:29] <fsphil> "Ingresses Dragon"
[14:29] <fsphil> he's no fun
[14:29] <eroomde> they must have been over than already
[14:29] <fsphil> suspect so
[14:30] <fsphil> nice dig at the ATV there
[14:32] <eroomde> the two presenters look a bit happless
[14:33] <eroomde> they look a bit like characters from King of the Hill
[14:36] <fsphil> sheesh, nasa tv is cheesy
[14:36] <eroomde> given up now
[14:36] <fsphil> same
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[15:40] <griffonbot> @vk5gr: @VK1WIA @amradvictoria News Update on #ProjectHorus repeater launch campaign at Mildura on Sunday can be found here http://t.co/WlJp3xkP [http://twitter.com/vk5gr/status/205684694052909056]
[15:42] <jcoxon> afternoon
[15:46] <WillDuckworth> hey jcoxon - how's launch prep going?
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> Afternoon jcoxon.
[15:53] <jcoxon> yeah not too bad
[15:53] <jcoxon> just done a long duration test
[15:53] <jcoxon> 20 hrs on a 1800mAh lipo
[15:53] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:53] <jcoxon> so should do well on energizer lithiums
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[16:11] <WillDuckworth> anyone know the mAh & masses of the energizer lithium AA and AAA batteries - or where to find it?
[16:11] <joph> hold a second
[16:12] <joph> may you use google translate http://www.mikrocontroller.net/articles/Versorgung_aus_einer_Zelle
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[16:13] <WillDuckworth> will go hunting - mr google will help!
[16:13] <WillDuckworth> thanks
[16:13] <joph> lithium aa cell isn't listed
[16:13] <joph> may you contact the dealer
[16:14] <SamSilver> http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/L91ULT_EU.pdf
[16:14] <joph> WillDuckworth, http://data.energizer.com/
[16:14] <WillDuckworth> coolt - got it: AA=15.5 grams with approx 3000mAh
[16:14] <SamSilver> joph: ^^ AA
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[16:16] <joph> who wants
[16:17] <joph> *who want's to start the calculation? http://www.analog.com/en/content/Guess-the-Gs/fca.html
[16:17] <joph> the price is a little bit useless, but you can sell it *g*
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[16:58] <daveake> WillDuckworth AAAs are half the weight and 1/3rd the capacity of AAs
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[17:00] <eroomde> pooooo
[17:01] <nigelvh> ooooooop
[17:05] <daveake> bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbqqqqqqqqqq
[17:06] <eroomde> nice idea
[17:06] <eroomde> i am about to cycle home
[17:06] <eroomde> for realz this time
[17:06] <eroomde> i would like a bbq tho
[17:07] <nigelvh> bbq does sound good.
[17:07] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: That is extremely unsafe when cycling.
[17:07] <eroomde> perfect evening for it
[17:07] <daveake> Had our first for a while yesterday. Silly gas regulator was leaking so had to get a new one
[17:07] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: Hot coals will jump off the BBQ as you go over bumps.
[17:07] <eroomde> it does help with the oxidiser mass flow rate tho
[17:08] <nigelvh> I use charcoal rather than gas, so I never have to worry about having any propane or the regulator leaking.
[17:08] <nigelvh> On the other hand I have to worry about whether I have charcoal.
[17:08] <eroomde> worth it though
[17:08] <daveake> Try buying some in the winter!
[17:08] <daveake> We have a charcoal smoker
[17:08] <eroomde> our local farm shop sells it all year round
[17:08] <nigelvh> I never have an issue.
[17:08] <daveake> Every home should have one (really)
[17:08] <eroomde> proper charcoal too
[17:09] <eroomde> man with thick sommerset accent making it in the woods
[17:09] <daveake> Yeah we found just one local place that always has some
[17:09] <daveake> Pork joint --> 4-5 hours in the BBQ smoker --> bliss
[17:09] <eroomde> the most convincing arguement for cooking on charcoal
[17:09] <eroomde> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysf5UunkzYs
[17:13] <daveake> <dribble>
[17:13] <eroomde> i went there in january
[17:13] <eroomde> not only was it the best steak i've ever had, they forgot to charge us for our wine
[17:13] <nigelvh> That does look like a good steak..
[17:13] <eroomde> BEST MEAL EVER
[17:14] <eroomde> they also now do a £5 corkage on mondays which is really quite astounding
[17:14] <daveake> Wonder if I should d a BBQ and launch day ....
[17:15] <daveake> .... Char and Fly
[17:15] <eroomde> so you can get that amazing bottle of burgundy that they want to charge you £120 for for £30
[17:15] <daveake> :)
[17:15] <eroomde> and have a little moment with you, beef, and god
[17:16] <daveake> the father, the spirit and the holy roast
[17:16] <eroomde> v good
[17:17] <nigelvh> lol
[17:17] <eroomde> i really want to do some bbq steaks again
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[17:20] <mclane> hello, I am preparing a balloon launch here in southern germany. I would like to track via spacenear.us. I have submitted a flight document and I see the data in fldigi.
[17:20] <daveake> Get yourself a ProQ BBW smoker. BBQ will never be the same again :)
[17:20] <eroomde> i did smoking in my webber
[17:20] <eroomde> a pork shoulder joint
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[17:20] <mclane> fldigi also tells me successfull uploads of telemetry data but I see nothing in the tracker, apart from my listening station
[17:20] <daveake> they work the best imo
[17:20] <eroomde> dry rubbed it with ground up bbq spices and left it to dry marinate for 2 days
[17:20] <eroomde> then 2 hours smoking
[17:20] <daveake> yup, nice
[17:21] <eroomde> then 7 hrs slow cooking at 100C
[17:21] <daveake> Ah, I was going to say 2 hours was a bit quick
[17:21] <eroomde> then 15 mins at 220C to form a bark of unimaginably orgasmic smokey gloriousness
[17:21] <eroomde> then pulled it to pieces
[17:21] <eroomde> then put it into baps with the worst possible quality colslaw
[17:21] <eroomde> it was AMAZING
[17:21] <daveake> Waitrose do a Boston joint which is wonderful for pulled pork
[17:22] <daveake> mclane Sorry you've hit BBQ-HAB
[17:22] <eroomde> it was this i followed: http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/gallery/2011/jun/09/barbecue-pulled-pork-in-pictures
[17:22] <Matt_soton> mclane: the tracker log: http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/
[17:23] <daveake> eroomde Yep that looks good
[17:23] <eroomde> daveake: i did it with boston beans too
[17:23] <daveake> what now?
[17:23] <eroomde> some white beans like canolini
[17:23] Action: daveake looks em up
[17:23] <daveake> gottit
[17:23] <eroomde> slow cooked in toamato sauce and trotter stock and bacon and molasses
[17:23] <eroomde> for about several hours
[17:23] Action: daveake adds to bucket list
[17:25] <eroomde> together they are like a planetary re-entry of umami
[17:29] <nigelvh> umami flavor is best flavor
[17:30] <eroomde> right i am off home
[17:30] <eroomde> ttfn
[17:33] Action: fsphil just got home. aaaah, now I relax
[17:38] <mclane> soddy to disturb your bbq discussion again: ok, I see in the log that I have provided the wrong checksum algorithm. Instead of crc16 I use xor. Can that be changed or do I have to submit a new flight document?
[17:39] <fsphil> the document can be updated, or you could change the payload to use the 16-bit checksum
[17:39] <fsphil> I'd highly recommend the 16-bit one if it's possible
[17:39] <mclane> here is the updated document: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1005113/
[17:42] <fsphil> has anything other than the checksum changed?
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[17:44] <mclane> no
[17:44] <daveake> mclane 16-bit is best - much less chance of a dodgy packet getting through
[17:45] <fsphil> yea, we have seen quite a few bad strings with correct 8-bit checksums
[17:45] <mclane> ok then forget the new flight document; I will try crc16. hope that it does not consume too much RAM since that is quite full already in my arduino
[17:46] <fsphil> nah it's tiny
[17:46] <daveake> You don't need any tables or anything - just a CRC16 value (so that's 1 extra byte) which changes as you go thru the string
[17:46] <mclane> can you point me to a nice implementation?
[17:47] <fsphil> is the optimised version of the 16-bit crc availble in arduino?
[17:47] <fsphil> it should be, they're both based on the same library
[17:47] <fsphil> check for a function called _crc_xmodem_update
[17:48] <fsphil> the example code here uses it: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[17:48] <daveake> Ah good, that saves me putting up my code :p
[17:49] <fsphil> lol
[17:50] <mclane> ok thanks, will try that
[17:50] <fsphil> this is my verison: http://pastebin.com/Yir1NJUb
[17:50] <fsphil> it appends the checksum onto the end of the string passed to it
[17:50] <fsphil> (but you have to make sure there's enough space allocated in memory for it)
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[17:52] <daveake> That's all too easy ... I actually wrote my CRC code :)
[17:52] <daveake> (taken from a program I wrote before)
[17:53] <fsphil> lol
[17:53] <daveake> But that was probably stolen anyway
[17:53] <fsphil> I suspect only one preson ever wrote the crc code
[17:53] <daveake> yep :)
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[17:53] <daveake> clever these presons
[17:55] <mclane> I have to drop out now; thanks again and have a good bbq
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[17:55] <fsphil> good luck mclane
[17:55] <fsphil> I think I met a preson once
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[17:57] <fsphil> anyway, cold drink and choclate bun time
[18:00] <fsphil> good stuff
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[18:51] <daveake> Does anyone know if the postponed HELIOS/VORTEX flight is going ahead tomorrow?
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[19:15] <natrium42> http://live.solarimpulse.com
[19:16] <natrium42> transcontinental solar flight attempt
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[19:18] <jcoxon> wow
[19:21] <Elwell> yeah - was on worldradio.ch this morning as they took off
[19:21] <Elwell> fairly slow groundspeed
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[19:35] <Laurenceb_> they recharge at night?
[19:36] <jcoxon> surely through the day
[19:36] <jcoxon> then run on batteries at night
[19:38] <Hiena> Anybody knows digging ROV plans? I have well problem in the basement.
[19:39] <Laurenceb_> is this the second plane?
[19:40] <daveake> http://carscoop.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/canadian-digs-out-basement-using-only.html
[19:42] <Laurenceb_> definition of dork
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[19:47] <Hiena> daveake: Awesome, except i have no 7 years to clean the well. The pump messed up the wall of the well at the last engine test. I was too busy to see the extra thrust from the steam, so it's pulled the all water and silt. Minus one pump, minus one engine, and a damaged well
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[21:07] <SpeedEvil> Hiena: well well.
[21:07] <SpeedEvil> Hiena: Tricky problem - I want a digging thingy.
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> Hiena: quadcopter.
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> Hiena: It's the way of the future!
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> Hiena: Just make the rotors more robust, and up the torque.
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[21:10] <Laurenceb_> theres always the fritzel approach
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[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[22:12] <nigelvh> yo
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
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[22:12] <nigelvh> Doing well. Yourself?
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> me too, thanks
[22:13] <nigelvh> Glad the week is almost over.
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> looked at the new 808 camera configuration GUI today, the people at the RC Groups forums did a good job there
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:13] <fsphil> weeeekend
[22:14] <nigelvh> throw a few more eeeeees in there and you've got it.
[22:14] Action: SpeedEvil wishes the nokia 808 camera worked with the Pi, and was available as spares.
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> (the 40MP one)
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[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> nokia 808?
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> yes
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> 'let's release what should be a flagship device camera on a OS that's been announced is EOL'.
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> ah that you mean
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> when I say 808 I mean that car key keyfob camera
[22:19] <fsphil> nokia, nohope
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> :/
[22:19] <fsphil> I don't know why the guy running them into the ground hasn't been fired
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[22:24] <nigelvh> Because he's not "running them into the ground" he's "leading and innovating"
[22:24] <nigelvh> Also, he's standing on a very big mountain of peons, so it takes a while to get to him.
[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> and today SpaceX will maneuver near the station and dock
[22:28] <SpeedEvil> Hopefully.
[22:30] Action: Laurenceb_ turns on his gps jammer
[22:31] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: doesn't help much if the people doing it know where they are
[22:31] <Elwell> http://proto-pic.co.uk/ultimate-gps-module-66-channel-w-10-hz-updates-mtk3339-chipset/ <-- cheap *AND* no height restrictions? too good to be true?
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> xD!
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[22:33] <Upu> Elwell not really
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> hi Upu
[22:33] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_64&product_id=50
[22:33] <Laurenceb_> mediatec is quite nice
[22:33] <Upu> actually cheaper
[22:34] <Upu> Evening Lunar
[22:34] <Laurenceb_> but ublox is nicer :P
[22:34] <Elwell> ah thought the ublox's were more expensive than that
[22:34] <Upu> nah you can have 10% off that price too
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[23:00] <fsphil> I need a better webcam
[23:00] <fsphil> just testing one and it's really poor
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[23:13] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO7pn3uiWA0&feature=g-user-u
[23:14] <SpeedEvil> Awesome - teardown of a gyrohorizon
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