highaltitude.log.20120521

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[00:28] <SpeedEvil> https://twitter.com/#!/elonmusk/status/204349174618128385 - hahahhhahhhah
[00:29] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL!
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[02:02] <smrtz> hey guys, my teacher has an ICOM IC-2200H radio, and can't tell if it does ssb over the 70cm band for the ntx2, anyone know?
[02:04] <Darkside> doubt it
[02:04] <Darkside> actualy, thats a definite no
[02:04] <Darkside> its a FM transceiver
[02:07] <smrtz> crap, is there a way to run the ntx2 over FM?
[02:07] <smrtz> also, thanks for the help.
[02:07] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[02:07] <SpeedEvil> but you may get _very_ reduced range
[02:07] <smrtz> how, "_very_"
[02:08] <SpeedEvil> Under a fifth wouldn't surprise
[02:08] <smrtz> are we talking a few feet? or would it still be usable via a chase car
[02:08] <SpeedEvil> The numbers are complex, and depend on the artificial and natural noise in the waveband.
[02:08] <SpeedEvil> ~50km - perhaps
[02:08] <SpeedEvil> I'm not sure that's not too optimistic though
[02:09] <smrtz> ok, so usable, most likely? I'll be able to test it out, not line of site though. but what's the max required range I should expect for flight?
[02:10] <SpeedEvil> The absolute minimum range would be around 80km or so - otherwise tracking is going to be very hard
[02:11] <smrtz> ohh...
[02:11] <smrtz> well, I doubt I'd be able to test that far. so FM isn't useable...
[02:11] <SpeedEvil> It's hard to say.
[02:12] <SpeedEvil> The problem is the FM reciever will be vulnerable to noise anywhere in its bandwidth
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[02:12] <SpeedEvil> With SSB - the worse effects are confined to a 400hz or so band
[02:12] <smrtz> hmm, I wonder how much noise there will be in the 434Mhz range in the US
[02:12] <SpeedEvil> This means it can ignore many more interfering signals
[02:13] <SpeedEvil> Dunno.
[02:13] <SpeedEvil> Alas - going to sleep now - well trying. :/
[02:13] <SpeedEvil> Went for a nap at 6PM
[02:13] <SpeedEvil> woke up at midnight
[02:13] <smrtz> sorry, I'll keep looking for a radio I could borrow I guess, thanks for the help
[02:13] <SpeedEvil> The alternative is APRS of course
[02:13] <smrtz> anyone in the US area with a radio? haha
[02:14] <smrtz> APRS?
[02:14] <SpeedEvil> It's a network on 144(?) MHz that can be used for balloon tracking
[02:14] <SpeedEvil> It's considerably more expensive than a ntx2 though
[02:15] <smrtz> oh, well, my teacher already bought the Ntx2...
[02:15] <smrtz> interesting idea though, a whole network just for balloones?
[02:15] <smrtz> balloons?
[02:16] <SpeedEvil> No
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[02:17] <SpeedEvil> http://aprs.fi/
[02:17] <SpeedEvil> has links
[02:17] <smrtz> wait, how did this know my address?
[02:18] <SpeedEvil> I have no idea.
[02:18] <SpeedEvil> GeoIP?
[02:18] <smrtz> probably, lol
[02:19] <smrtz> this looks like software, how would it help me use FM?
[02:19] <SpeedEvil> It won't
[02:19] <SpeedEvil> it's a seperate network of trancievers that you can in principle put one of on a balloon
[02:20] <smrtz> ohh, ok. so it's a different transmitter?
[02:21] <smrtz> I'm in the users guide now, btw, so I am trying to figure this out on my own.
[02:21] <SpeedEvil> yes
[02:22] <smrtz> cool, how much is one?
[02:22] <SpeedEvil> dunno
[02:22] <smrtz> hmm
[02:25] <smrtz> it seems like you just need to transmit at 9600 bit/s at 162. MHz
[02:26] <Darkside> uhh
[02:27] <Darkside> no
[02:27] <Darkside> its 1200 baud at 144.something
[02:27] <Darkside> 144.390MHz i think
[02:27] <Darkside> look at the trackuino project
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[02:30] <smrtz> hmm idk then.
[02:31] <smrtz> also, we could over fill the balloon, to limit the range an cut flight time...
[02:31] <smrtz> I guess I'll just do that, and use FM, that way we don't have to spend any money.
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[06:34] <jcoxon> morning
[06:34] <UpuWork> morning
[06:35] <jcoxon> UpuWork, did you work out how steve does his telem?
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[07:20] <UpuWork> hi jcoxon
[07:20] <UpuWork> yes looks like its legitimate
[07:21] <UpuWork> he's not sure why his code stopped transmitting but it transmits the highest last position
[07:21] <UpuWork> when it restarted
[07:22] <Darkside> ok
[07:22] <Darkside> now i need to sort out what i'm ordering frm you UpuWork
[07:22] <UpuWork> yup
[07:27] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] Possible launches19th or 20th May"
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[07:30] <costyn_> was this high altitude pic of the eclipse posted here yet? http://i.imgur.com/M6atD.jpg amazing stuff
[07:34] <UpuWork> is that real ?
[07:34] <Darkside> looks shopped
[07:34] <fsphil> it is
[07:35] <costyn_> heh, not sure; come to think of it
[07:35] <fsphil> I seen it on imgur a few days ago :p
[07:35] <costyn_> fsphil: that's where I got it yes
[07:35] <fsphil> nice pic though
[07:35] <fsphil> good bit of photoshop art
[07:35] <UpuWork> I have a plan for a flight though, whens the next eclipse ? :)
[07:35] <UpuWork> afk
[07:35] <LazyLeopard> Any details on how it was done? The milky way on the horizon comes out too strongly for the kind of exposure the eclipse and the clouds would have needded.
[07:35] <fsphil> australia :)
[07:36] <fsphil> I should totally launch just before the eclipse
[07:36] <Darkside> hehe
[07:36] <costyn_> LazyLeopard: consesus is photoshop :)
[07:36] <Darkside> fsphil: HAH good luck
[07:36] <Darkside> do you really want to deal with CASA
[07:36] <Darkside> also shit location to launch balloons from
[07:36] <fsphil> can they really be worse than the CAA?
[07:36] <fsphil> that is true
[07:36] <fsphil> hello ocean
[07:36] <Darkside> you'd need to go inland
[07:37] <Darkside> would be fucking awesome to try it though
[07:37] <fsphil> damn it, I'm considering it now
[07:37] <Darkside> cut the cutdown it might be possible
[07:37] <Darkside> fsphil: naww
[07:37] <Darkside> we'd do it
[07:37] <Darkside> :P
[07:37] <LazyLeopard> Somewhere like Alice Springs...
[07:37] <fsphil> you're too far away
[07:37] <Darkside> LazyLeopard: the eclipse is over northern QLD
[07:37] <Darkside> fsphil: we'd drive up
[07:37] <fsphil> that'd be an epic drive
[07:37] <LazyLeopard> Ah. Tedious. Also tropical...
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[07:41] <fsphil> gopro's wide angle would be good for it
[07:42] <fsphil> shadow on one side, brighter on the other
[07:42] <fsphil> it's not really a sharp shadow though
[07:43] <Darkside> mm
[07:43] <LazyLeopard> Seems like you folks had an interesting day's tracking yesterday...
[07:44] <griffonbot> Received email: Mike Willis "Re: [UKHAS] Possible launches19th or 20th May"
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[07:48] <daveake> I think it was probably as much fun as we had launching and chasing. And more challenging :)
[07:51] Action: LazyLeopard was helping with an Intermediate course all day...
[08:01] <fsphil> those are fun
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[08:09] <daveake> Not your average flights!
[08:09] <daveake> "Challenges" and records in abundance
[08:10] <daveake> oh sorry wrong window :D
[08:10] <daveake> Didn't mean to stamp on your convo
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[08:41] <Matt_soton> morning, does anyone have a source for the 2m pico no Notam rule?
[08:48] <costyn_> so yea it's a render: http://a4size-ska.deviantart.com/art/Eclipse-144235675
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[09:23] <navrac> So from the records page was xaben accepted as valid?
[09:24] <UpuWork> well
[09:24] <UpuWork> I put it on there
[09:24] <navrac> i thought it needed two receivers?
[09:24] <UpuWork> wasn't aware of that rule
[09:25] <UpuWork> one legitimate string should do it
[09:25] <UpuWork> I doubt Steve would fake it
[09:25] <UpuWork> and the checksums and times all match
[09:25] <fsphil> ukhas doesn't really have any rules
[09:25] <fsphil> arhab may be stricter
[09:25] <UpuWork> I see no reason to deny Steve of the achievement, daveake may differ though :)
[09:26] <Matt_soton> UpuWork: do you have a source for hte 2m no notam pico rule?
[09:26] <G0DJA> Matt_soton try http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP393.pdf but I can only find reference to an exception for a "small" balloon and no definition of 'small' meaning less than 2m
[09:26] <Matt_soton> im on that document too G0DJA but nothing :/
[09:26] <G0DJA> Found it on Section 1 Part 33 Page 16
[09:26] <UpuWork> sounds like is there :)
[09:27] <navrac> i cant remember where i saw the two receiver rule - and with 16bit checksum and the ascent rate matching I have no problem
[09:27] <G0DJA> 'Small balloon' means a balloon of not more than two metres in any linear dimension
[09:27] <G0DJA> at any stage of its flight, including any basket or other equipment attached to the
[09:27] <G0DJA> balloon;
[09:27] <fsphil> that's it
[09:27] <Matt_soton> oh nice :) thanks
[09:27] <fsphil> I remember them saying basket
[09:28] <fsphil> guess they're thinking of hot air balloons
[09:28] <Matt_soton> mind you the bit labelled 163 s1 prt22 pg 3 doesnt mention small balloons
[09:28] <G0DJA> Could be a basket containing measuring equipment
[09:29] <G0DJA> Do they define 'basket' anywhere else?
[09:29] <fsphil> yea, that could just be their term for a payload box
[09:29] <Matt_soton> it does say basket or other equipment
[09:29] <G0DJA> Section 1 Part 32 Page 3
[09:30] <G0DJA> Exceptions from application of provisions of the Order for certain classes of aircraft
[09:30] <G0DJA> 253 (1) This article applies to:
[09:30] <G0DJA> (a) any small balloon;
[09:30] <Matt_soton> oh i see
[09:31] <fsphil> a 2m spherical foil balloon would be ideal
[09:32] <navrac> guess what I'm building at the moment!
[09:32] <G0DJA> How would you attach the payload?
[09:32] <Matt_soton> does 2m apply above airspace?
[09:32] <Matt_soton> ie a latex balloon that expands?
[09:32] <G0DJA> Any part of the flight
[09:32] <navrac> except its 1.5m so the aerial doesnt go out the 2m box
[09:32] <fsphil> I was thinking of putting all that inside the balloon navrac
[09:33] <fsphil> I'm sure the foil isn't that good at shielding
[09:33] <navrac> two problems - if the payload bangs against the balloon too much the pop
[09:33] <navrac> oh it is quite good at shielding - ive got a whole roll of it here
[09:33] <navrac> and it does shield rf
[09:33] <fsphil> that's that idea out the airlock
[09:33] <G0DJA> Why not use the balloon as the antenna?
[09:34] <Randomskk> yea I was about to say that
[09:34] <Randomskk> cut an antenna shape into it
[09:34] <G0DJA> Couple to it via a loop
[09:34] <daveake> <UpuWork> I see no reason to deny Steve of the achievement, daveake may differ though :)
[09:34] <navrac> well i was going to try it - but its not exactly an ideal shape
[09:34] <daveake> lol
[09:34] <Randomskk> if you can make a seam out of something non conductive you can have a suitable shape built in
[09:34] <UpuWork> :)
[09:35] <daveake> Well ... I wouldn't want to have a record because someone else was denied a better one on a technicality
[09:35] <Randomskk> what's the technicality?
[09:35] <Randomskk> oh
[09:35] <daveake> I dunno ... only 1 receiver?
[09:35] <Randomskk> only one rx?
[09:35] <UpuWork> I'll explain and you can make the call Randomskk
[09:35] <navrac> sadly about 10 seconds before that packet, I ad switched to buzz as xaben was going theought one of its pauses
[09:35] <fsphil> the string was isolated
[09:36] <UpuWork> so XABEN was going up and the signal was choppy but fine
[09:36] Action: daveake didn't want to start anything there :p
[09:36] <UpuWork> it delivered this string :
[09:36] <UpuWork> $$XABEN,469,16:17:16,52.48139,-0.28616,42388,0.0,0.00,4;5;FA0;0.8*39C6
[09:36] <UpuWork> then stopped transmitting
[09:36] <UpuWork> just a carrier
[09:36] <UpuWork> it then burst a few more strings but no one caught them
[09:37] <UpuWork> I noticed the carrier wobble alot indicating a burst at (1 sec)
[09:37] <UpuWork> 16:23 UTC
[09:37] <UpuWork> I sat on the carrier and got this :
[09:37] <UpuWork> $$XABEN,472,16:21:07,52.49425,-0.31204,43721,0.0,0.00,Descending*CECF
[09:37] <UpuWork> however the string was actually transmitted at 16:26 ish
[09:38] <UpuWork> then immediately afterwards :
[09:38] <UpuWork> $$XABEN,473,16:26:12,52.50122,-0.33224,31485,0.0,0.00,5;5;EA0;0.8*A8AA
[09:38] <G0DJA> I remember seeing a van with a slot cut in the roof fed as a slot antenna (with glass fibre over the hole of course)
[09:38] <UpuWork> so you can see the query however the time of string 472 matches
[09:38] <UpuWork> and Steve confirms his code does transmit the last highest point
[09:39] <UpuWork> he's unsure what the fault in the code was that stopped the main loop transmitting
[09:39] <navrac> I can confirm that xaben was starting to send strings, going to carrier and then continuing the previous string several minutes later
[09:39] <Matt_soton> im guessing no SD card logging of GPS?
[09:39] <UpuWork> so given the time, the ascent rates before and the noted burst it all matches
[09:39] <Randomskk> I don't think we have any choice but to trust it
[09:40] <Randomskk> or, rather, of course it counts.
[09:40] <UpuWork> Also given daveake's payload was almost identical and it got within 100 meters of that as well
[09:40] <Darkside> $$XABEN,472,16:21:07,52.49425,-0.31204,43721,0.0,0.00,Descending*CECF
[09:40] <Darkside> what
[09:40] <Darkside> WHAT.
[09:40] <UpuWork> either way all those launches were hellishly impressive
[09:40] <Randomskk> the only explanations besides "the balloon was at 43721m altitude" are a) the payload has a code error that caused it to transmit the wrong altitude, b) the payload intentionally lied c) upu made up the sentence
[09:40] <Darkside> WHAT.
[09:40] <Randomskk> all three of which pretty much have to be discounted
[09:41] <Darkside> holy SHITBALLS
[09:41] <navrac> and daves payload was floating and had a slower ascent rate it looks legit to me
[09:41] <UpuWork> well C) is out as I'm too thick to calculate the checksum
[09:41] <Darkside> 43.7 KILOMETERS
[09:41] <UpuWork> oh yeah Darkside :)
[09:41] <Darkside> WHAT THE HELL GUYS
[09:41] <Randomskk> UpuWork: c) is out because we all trust you
[09:41] <UpuWork> lol
[09:41] <fsphil> haha
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[09:41] <Darkside> I WANT SOME OF THESE HWOYEES
[09:41] <UpuWork> BUZZ did 100 meters less
[09:41] <daveake> lol
[09:41] <Darkside> goddamnit
[09:41] <daveake> I have 2 more ....
[09:41] <Darkside> this is ridiculous
[09:41] <Randomskk> b) is out for the same reason
[09:41] <Darkside> daveake: work out how much it would cost to mail us one
[09:42] <daveake> :D
[09:42] <fsphil> I've got one but I'm using it :)
[09:42] <daveake> Buzz celebrating ... https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/413013_10150832031072654_695937653_9542316_201377217_o.jpg
[09:42] <number10> only for sdale to uk residents Darkside ;
[09:42] <Randomskk> so if it's a choice between a code error on an otherwise apparently error-free payload and the balloon reaching a high but entirely reasonable altitude
[09:42] <navrac> no sign in any of the rest of the telemetry to suspect a)
[09:42] <UpuWork> number10 got something silly with a camera on it
[09:42] <Randomskk> I know what I'd go for.
[09:42] <UpuWork> 42km number10 ?
[09:42] <Randomskk> navrac: exactly
[09:42] <daveake> He's number3 now
[09:42] <fsphil> lol
[09:42] <number10> must try less
[09:43] <UpuWork> suprised you missed all the excitement Darkside
[09:43] <fsphil> I dare not look at where my 33.3km is now
[09:43] <fsphil> probably 50th
[09:43] <daveake> Oh, number4, sorry
[09:43] <navrac> darkside did you do another rfm22 rx payload recently?
[09:43] <UpuWork> it was very exciting , payloads disappearing, reappearing
[09:43] <Darkside> navrac: yes
[09:43] <number10> lol fsphil - I dont think they are that good due to solid cloud
[09:43] <navrac> how did it go
[09:43] <Darkside> navrac: we've done 2 flights of it so far, with cutdown
[09:43] <Darkside> it worked perfectly
[09:43] <daveake> Horus 15.5 #9 UK
[09:43] <Darkside> i managed to hit the payload with 25mw into a 1/4 wave
[09:44] <Randomskk> haha jeez
[09:44] <Darkside> goddamnit
[09:44] <Randomskk> I remember when that 36km was like "wooooah"
[09:44] <fsphil> it was pretty sweet
[09:44] <Darkside> ok
[09:44] <daveake> 36km now would get you #20
[09:44] <Randomskk> hehe
[09:44] <Darkside> i'm going to need to budget a few hundred pounds for when i come over to the UK
[09:44] <Darkside> for balloons
[09:44] <Darkside> and helium
[09:44] <Darkside> i need to fix this
[09:45] <Randomskk> :P
[09:45] <fsphil> not before I try
[09:45] <navrac> hydrogen...
[09:45] <Darkside> hydrogen
[09:45] <Darkside> yes
[09:45] <Laurenceb_> its pretty crazy that getting to 43km with a polythene balloon is next to impossible
[09:45] <Laurenceb_> unless you go massive
[09:46] <fsphil> it's less than 10km to the world record for any balloon that wasn't in orbit
[09:46] <number10> I think I would have got an extra meter I I was not acrrying a stowaway UpuWork ;)
[09:46] <Randomskk> which balloons were in orbit?
[09:46] <navrac> given the price of evoh I think its going to be costly
[09:47] <UpuWork> lol
[09:47] <fsphil> well dunno if they where technically balloons -- those large spheres that nasa launched
[09:47] <UpuWork> I'll let you have it
[09:47] <UpuWork> ok afk
[09:47] <fsphil> used them to bounce radio off
[09:48] <Darkside> ahh, the echo sats
[09:48] <fsphil> that's the ones
[09:50] <G0DJA> Must do some work!
[09:50] <G0DJA> Back later
[09:51] <number10> daveake: we had a magical mystery tour just after we left - satnav took us in the wrong way
[09:51] <daveake> !!
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[09:52] <number10> I think it went to one of the post codes you gave me for predicted landing
[09:52] <daveake> We got petrol at the Sainsburys near our "eating place", then followed the sat nav route to the M1. No problems
[09:52] <daveake> :D
[09:52] <daveake> Just loaded up the chase car route on spacenear ...
[09:52] <number10> we got to some strange pace after about 1/2 an hour and it said - you have arrived at your destination
[09:52] <daveake> ... Julie drove a very consistent 112kph
[09:53] <number10> very good driving
[09:53] <daveake> impressive :)
[09:57] <Darkside> still, blody hell
[09:57] <Darkside> 43.7
[09:58] <gonzo_> cruise ctrl?
[09:59] <daveake> Massaged data
[10:00] <fsphil> anti-helium
[10:00] <daveake> the car speed that is; not any of the balloons!
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[10:00] <daveake> He -1
[10:02] <fsphil> interesting that the higher ascent rate got a slightly higher altitude
[10:02] <daveake> Yes, that was Steve's theory he was "testing" :)
[10:02] <Darkside> so what were the specs for XABEN?
[10:03] <Darkside> payload weight, next lift, gas, etc
[10:03] <daveake> My Buzz2 when it got #1 was a higher rate
[10:03] <Darkside> i assume they were all hycrogen?
[10:03] <Darkside> hydrogen*
[10:03] <daveake> No, we used hycrogen
[10:03] <daveake> Special order from BOC
[10:03] <daveake> :)
[10:04] <gonzo_> aunty helium phil?
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[10:06] <fsphil> it's all relative
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[10:28] <Upu> Helium+ as we like to call it
[10:29] <fsphil> HeHe
[10:36] <gonzo_> I shall resist the temptation to pun
[10:36] <number10> lucky daveake signed out as I think we would have pun overload
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[10:38] <number10> High photographs, didnt realise I was going to get a picture of jupiter ;) http://i.imgur.com/Rqz23.jpg
[10:38] <kokey> haha
[10:38] <kokey> lol
[10:38] <number10> :)
[10:42] <fsphil> that's some zoom lens
[10:42] <gonzo_> was that 'the pun overlord' ?
[10:43] <gonzo_> his new name!
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[10:46] <SpeedEvil> Fucking odd.
[10:47] <SpeedEvil> Just had a visit from the police.
[10:47] <SpeedEvil> My mum was apparantly on the news of the world phone-hacking database.
[10:47] <Randomskk> <:|
[10:48] <fsphil> !!
[10:48] <SpeedEvil> I have about as much confidence in their list-making abilities as their journalistic ones.
[10:50] <kokey> weird
[10:50] <kokey> this the DB of numbers that was hacked?
[10:54] <SpeedEvil> It's the 'of interest' database.
[10:54] <SpeedEvil> She was 'just' a biology teacher.
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[10:57] <gonzo_> hack in, add number, sue for damages. Nice
[10:58] <kokey> so the of interest, is it ones they hacked because it may be useful or because it was hacked for possible future use?
[10:58] <SpeedEvil> I suspect it's extracts from a database or databases on some criteria
[10:58] <gonzo_> prob just did a range of numbers
[10:58] <SpeedEvil> and she just popped up as a miss-hit
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[11:11] <eroomde> copenhagen suborbitals latest
[11:11] <eroomde> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwLEzKu-j1s&feature=relmfu
[11:11] <eroomde> listed to the extraordinary startup resonances!
[11:11] <eroomde> listen*
[11:11] <eroomde> a bit scary
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[11:13] <fsphil> that's harsh
[11:13] <fsphil> sounds like it wouldn't survive it to many times
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[11:23] <kokey> SpeedEvil: could be that she just happened to come up as the friend of a friend of someone
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[11:24] <Darkside> can you guys get hammond boxes in the UK?
[11:25] <kokey> SpeedEvil: reminds me, a few years ago, a friend of mine made friends with some young entrepeneur to do business with, in the same industry as himself
[11:27] <kokey> SpeedEvil: turns out it was anna chapman, the girl who got deported back to russia for being a spy. the problem was, they were connected on linkedin and there was some visible activity between them. The newspapers were chasing after him bigtime, US and UK ones, his voice mail was filled with journalists trying to reach him
[11:28] <kokey> I think it's roughly how it works, people who are in the news don't answer their phones because of all the journalists hounding them, so they rely on voice mail to help them filter, then if someone hacks their voice mail they often go after people who seems to know them and has left some details
[11:30] <gonzo_> taken to it's conclusion, that would end up with journalists chasing eachother and leave the rest of us alone.
[11:31] <Laurenceb> actually they were just doing a probe around speedevils house
[11:31] <Laurenceb> as speedevil did all the hacking
[11:31] <Laurenceb> it all makes sense now, he knows all about phones
[11:32] <gonzo_> I'm just listening to some of the 'phone trips' tapes.
[11:33] <gonzo_> the phreaks had fun in the alanohue days
[11:33] <gonzo_> analogue
[11:33] <Laurenceb> heh
[11:34] <eroomde> Darkside: yes you can
[11:34] <eroomde> used them often
[11:35] <Laurenceb> hehe
[11:35] <kokey> phone trips tapes?
[11:35] <Laurenceb> dont talk to me about hammond boxes
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[11:35] <Laurenceb> the quality control is dreadful
[11:35] <gonzo_> http://www.wideweb.com/phonetrips/
[11:36] <eroomde> they are cheap yes
[11:37] <eroomde> i prefer getting a slightly more pricey powder coated one
[11:37] <gonzo_> loads of narated recordings of the old US analogue phone system and the tricks they used to phreak
[11:37] <Laurenceb> i wanted translucent polycarbonate ones
[11:37] <Laurenceb> i got crappy scratchy mess ones
[11:37] <kokey> gonzo_: I was quite active in that scene in the early 90s
[11:37] <kokey> we had our fun and games and phone conferences back then
[11:38] <kokey> many international trunks were still operating on analog systems even after the end of the 90s
[11:39] <kokey> so the fun didn't stop totally, it only stopped for a big portion of people in the US
[11:39] <gonzo_> I played as a kid in the early 80's but never got into 'the scene' so didn't get very far
[11:40] <gonzo_> hours in the local phone box trying all the 1xx codes
[11:40] <kokey> while living in South Africa, there was a stage that my internet access was basically me doing blue boxing to make a call to the UK, to dial up to Demon
[11:40] <gonzo_> in mid winter
[11:41] <kokey> yeah there was a stage where I would go out at night in winter and connect to call box lines
[11:41] <kokey> but not for long, since I got the hang of blue boxing my calls quite well
[11:41] <gonzo_> all ended for me with a night in the cells
[11:42] <daveake> I used to work for a telephone exchange manufacturer. A few of us chatted about cheats to get free/lowcost calls. We lost count of the options
[11:42] <kokey> 1xx codes?
[11:42] <gonzo_> but best you get these things out of your stystem when you are young
[11:42] <gonzo_> the exchange special codes 3 digit, starting 1
[11:42] <Darkside> heh
[11:42] <kokey> yeah, indeed, I totally stopped doing anything even in the gray area of the law before my 18th birthday
[11:42] <Darkside> i did some dodgy stuff at uni
[11:43] <Darkside> for a while all the printers in the uni were accessible on port 9100
[11:43] <Darkside> that was fun
[11:43] <kokey> friends of mine sent 'all your base are belong to us' to all their uni printers
[11:44] <Darkside> yeah
[11:44] <Darkside> i did basically that
[11:44] <gonzo_> they had just put their first network in at uni when my years started. so the IT guy learned all about security as we hacked it
[11:44] <kokey> while SMS spamming the same words
[11:44] <kokey> I spent much of my teens hacking university unix systems
[11:44] <kokey> it started with me trying to get a lowly job at a university so I can have internet access
[11:45] <kokey> and getting snubbed
[11:45] <gonzo_> looking over my shoulder in labs 'Oh, writing a trojen, how original!'
[11:45] <gonzo_> there was the JANET but no-one knew much about it.
[11:46] <kokey> heh, yeah I remember connecting to some JANET terminal servers
[11:46] <kokey> in South Africa the equivalent was UNINET
[11:46] <gonzo_> I had AX25 on the BBS, so primitive email. Everyone was blown away with that
[11:46] <gonzo_> good days.......
[11:46] <kokey> actually, I think the JANET terminal server I connected to was actually through X.25
[11:47] <kokey> problem was I lived so remote that my nearest X.25 dial-up was long distance
[11:47] <kokey> let alone having to steal x.25 to use it after that
[11:47] <kokey> so I was left with having to get logins to unix servers at university that had dial up access
[11:49] <gonzo_> the halls of residence had a terminal on a leased line 9600bd link to the VAX. When 9600 was fast!
[11:49] <gonzo_> getting all nostalgic now
[11:49] <fsphil> I hated modems
[11:49] <fsphil> still do :)
[11:50] <gonzo_> this was a line driver, twisted pair stuff.
[11:50] <fsphil> fancy
[11:50] <gonzo_> one lad just sat on there for days playing MUD games of some server
[11:51] <SpeedEvil> Was it you?
[11:52] <gonzo_> hehe, nope I was too busy getting drunk and doing sound/light work for the uni gigs
[11:52] <gonzo_> big amps/speakers and miles of beer soaked cabling
[11:53] <kokey> gonzo_: I found that 7200bps using V.42bis was the most stable for me when dialing up over one or two satellite hops
[11:53] <kokey> gonzo_: it kept the connection even with high latency and the compression was nice enough for most terminal use (especially when switching between screens)
[11:57] <kokey> friends of mine discovered that cables used for 3kv overhead mains supply doesn't work out well as speaker cable, especially when you have a valve amp driving it
[11:57] <SpeedEvil> Sounds like they should be just fine
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[12:06] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] Possible launches19th or 20th May"
[12:09] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/b0m6V.jpg
[12:09] <Darkside> habamp
[12:10] <Darkside> well, habsawfilterandamp
[12:12] <fsphil> cool
[12:13] <daveake> I thought my parachute was small, till I saw Steve's .... http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/7240587334/in/set-72157629829056874/
[12:13] <Darkside> jeez
[12:13] <fsphil> is the IC both filter and amp?
[12:13] <Darkside> fsphil: no, the saw filter is on the left
[12:13] <Darkside> the amp is in the middle
[12:14] <Darkside> approx 21dB gain at 435MHz, 0.8dB noise figure
[12:14] <Darkside> though it'll end up being more like a 2dB noise figure with the SAW filters insertion loss
[12:15] <Darkside> daveake: we're finding out 'small' parachutes work *very* well
[12:15] <Darkside> ended up with a 0.5m/s descent rate the other day
[12:15] <daveake> !!!
[12:15] <Darkside> we were just waiting, watching it sloooooooooowly spiral down
[12:15] <daveake> Too well!
[12:15] <Darkside> that was when it was near landing
[12:15] <daveake> balloon-assisted?
[12:15] <Darkside> eh?
[12:15] <G0DJA> I've got bigger hankies :-)
[12:15] <daveake> Was the balloon behaving like a chute too
[12:15] <Darkside> daveake: it was about 800m off the ground at this point
[12:15] <Darkside> no
[12:15] <Darkside> there was no balloon :-)
[12:15] <daveake> Upwind?
[12:16] <Darkside> we'd cut it off
[12:16] <daveake> Oh of course
[12:16] <daveake> I had 900g of my 1600g balloon left
[12:16] <Darkside> http://pipe2.darklomax.org/horus24/DSC_5677.JPG
[12:16] <daveake> Bit of tape it'll fly again :D
[12:16] <Darkside> we were seeing this
[12:16] <Darkside> thats from horus 24, but it looked the same
[12:16] <daveake> Incredible
[12:16] <Darkside> the radar reflector was kind of steering the balloon
[12:16] <Darkside> ack
[12:16] <daveake> Looks like it shouldn't be possible
[12:16] <Darkside> i mean, steering the prachute
[12:17] <Darkside> its a beautiful sight :-)
[12:17] <Darkside> we got within 50m of the landing yesterday
[12:17] <daveake> We were *so* close to ANU when it came down, but couldn't see it
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[12:17] <daveake> Cloud in the way when it went over us
[12:17] <Darkside> if we'd jumped a fence and ran a bit faster we could have cought it
[12:17] <daveake> :)
[12:17] <Darkside> and i'm serious
[12:17] <UpuWork> run faster next time
[12:18] <daveake> Live video from our chase car yesterday - http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/7240542956/in/set-72157629829056874/
[12:18] <Darkside> wish i had a decent camera with me
[12:18] <Darkside> http://projecthorus.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/IMG_09331.jpg
[12:19] <Darkside> that kind of thing
[12:19] <Darkside> thats an awesome picture
[12:20] <daveake> Shot from the live video screen after we recovered ANU - http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/7240515792/in/set-72157629829056874/
[12:27] <eroomde> nice daveake
[12:28] <eroomde> ears is looking very rapey
[12:28] <eroomde> not ideal for the big rocketry festival over the bank holiday weekend
[12:31] <cuddykid> congrats for yesterday daveake!
[12:31] <eroomde> where did it land?
[12:32] <daveake> ANU and XABEN landed a few miles apart, west of Peterborough
[12:32] <daveake> BUZZ made it north of Nottingham
[12:33] <daveake> ANU was in a field, a fair way from the road
[12:33] <daveake> XABEN I believe is still owned by a tree
[12:33] <eroomde> nice
[12:33] <daveake> BUZZ landed in a park, on a hill. We picked up the signal 4.6km away
[12:33] <eroomde> and congrats on the record
[12:33] <eroomde> 43km is serious
[12:33] <daveake> so brief lol
[12:33] <UpuWork> how much latex did you bring back daveake :)
[12:33] <UpuWork> you could make that into a new balloon
[12:33] <daveake> For a long time I thought it was dead
[12:34] <daveake> About 900g of latex
[12:34] <eroomde> why (west country accent) i remember the days when we considered 33km a serious altitude
[12:34] <daveake> Yeah, earlier someone said that about 36km. That would get you #20 in the UK chart now
[12:34] <WillDuckworth> madness
[12:34] <daveake> For sale: 1 balloon. 1 careful owner. Needs some attention.
[12:35] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[12:35] <UpuWork> got to be at the limits now though your payloads are negligable weight
[12:35] <LazyLeopard> Only used once.
[12:35] <cuddykid> I remember only 10 months ago I got the 2nd UK alt record&. now it's no where! haha
[12:35] <daveake> Well Steve reckons on 1 metre per gram. I reckon more like 3 or 4.
[12:36] <daveake> Buzz was 40g. Not sure about Steve's but it wasn't much more
[12:36] <WillDuckworth> daveake - rfm22b yeah?
[12:36] <daveake> yep
[12:37] <WillDuckworth> have you (or jcoxon) managed to get the temp from it yet?
[12:37] <daveake> Believe jcoxon has
[12:37] <daveake> I've not tried
[12:37] <daveake> It does warm up quickly when Tx is on, and if the Tx power is increased
[12:38] <daveake> So you're going to get a rather local result
[12:38] <WillDuckworth> nice - did you get much freq drift this weekend?
[12:38] <fsphil> would have been interesting to see the temperature before and after it cut-out yesterday
[12:38] <daveake> Well, Buzz was dead during the time when it would have drifted :p
[12:39] <daveake> I think that Arduino probably has a fault. It was a cheapo Chinese one. I've run Sparkfun ones in the freezer for 15 hours (till the batteries died) with no problem
[12:39] <WillDuckworth> shame - would be interesting to get some temp/drift chart going. might have a bash myself
[12:40] <daveake> When I get time (not till the weekend) I'll have a oook at the logs, and I'll put the tracker in the freezer
[12:40] <WillDuckworth> good stuff :)
[12:44] <daveake> After Buzz died (the first time) I was still enjoying the day out but in a peed-off sort of "what did I do wrong?" sort of way
[12:44] <daveake> Then we collected ANU and someone said Buzz was back online. I was more than a bit amazed
[12:45] <daveake> When it died again on the way down I was pretty confident it was temperature-related and that it'd start up again
[12:46] <daveake> From the chat log it looks like it was just as much fun for you guys tracking as it was for us chasing :)
[12:51] <fsphil> yep :)
[12:51] <Elwell> oh, $work are doing a launch next monday by the look of things
[12:52] <Elwell> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=547c0aeb6f76b3be383a857ce0bb4b6cb177535c
[12:52] <daveake> Most of the chat I saw during the day, but in the car you always miss a few messages because it's tricky to keep up whilst navigating/checking the map/keeping tuned in/talking to the other chasers/etc
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[12:54] <number10> I dont know how you manage that daveake , whith the small notebook I have I strugle between the tracker and fldigi, and the odd couple of mistyped words on chat
[12:54] <daveake> I have to put in on my lap for typing
[12:54] <MrScienceMan> hey everybody, what TX module would you suggest if I use ezTV donggle on the ground as RX
[12:55] <fsphil> ntx2 is the easiest option
[12:55] <number10> as for trying to scroll up on the irc to find any messages addressed to me thats impossib;e
[12:55] <MrScienceMan> fsphil: what if I am not limited to 10mW ?
[12:55] <MrScienceMan> would some extra power help?
[12:55] <fsphil> there are 25mw versions :)
[12:55] <fsphil> if you're doing 50 baud rtty, the extra power won't be that useful
[12:56] <daveake> number10 Yeah, for my chase car app I'm going to add an IRC screen that only shows message mentioning my nick :)
[12:56] <fsphil> muhahaha
[12:56] <cuddykid> good idea daveake
[12:57] <fsphil> IRC to speech is handy
[12:57] <MrScienceMan> line highlighting too :)
[12:57] <number10> will it handle nicks with bad spelling
[12:57] <fsphil> in an amusing way :)
[12:57] <Laurenceb> number10: congrats on yesterday
[12:57] <Laurenceb> any photos yet?
[12:57] <MrScienceMan> and long words made of one repeating letter
[12:58] <number10> thanks Laurenceb - just trying to get a moment at work to post a couple
[12:58] <Laurenceb> cool
[12:58] <number10> i'll put a few up in a mo
[13:03] <Elwell> daveake: log all, then have tail -f log | grep nick in a terminal window
[13:04] <MrScienceMan> include watch for refreshing purposes :)
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[13:13] <daveake> Elwell: Yes, could do. I already have working IRC client code that I can modify
[13:18] <Randomskk> just use irssi and set up a highlights window :P
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[13:35] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/YkmXm.jpg
[13:36] <number10> some of the ANU photographs http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/sets/72157629829822100/ - I'll have a look through see if any better ones, and put up launch photos later
[13:37] <WillDuckworth> bloomin high up i reckon ;)
[13:37] <number10> Randomskk: thanks for sorting out my altitude mess up yesterday
[13:37] <Randomskk> np
[13:37] <fsphil> the highest photos ever taken that didn't involve a rocket :)
[13:37] <daveake> lowest too:)
[13:38] <fsphil> lol
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[13:39] <number10> embarrassed that I thought I corrected the problem from two weeks ago only to realise that there were two problems - didnt have time to test inbetween
[13:39] <daveake> It's a rite of passage
[13:39] <number10> mmm well it ads to the excitement
[13:39] <number10> +d
[13:40] <number10> and I accept all slaps
[13:40] <daveake> All 3 payloads had issues of one sort or another
[13:40] <fsphil> yes it was an eventful day
[13:40] <number10> did anyone see much of the stream
[13:41] <gonzo_> saw lots. Liked the driving footage
[13:41] <fsphil> that was amazing
[13:41] <fsphil> we're properly in the future now :)
[13:42] <daveake> :D
[13:43] <Laurenceb> http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/7241248698/in/set-72157629829822100/
[13:43] <Laurenceb> thats pretty epic
[13:43] <Laurenceb> pity its cloudy
[13:43] <daveake> yeah, very
[13:44] <cuddykid> looks like there were quite a few breaks in the cloud.. I didn't see any all day!
[13:44] <daveake> ditto
[13:44] <cuddykid> only just starting to break now
[13:44] <cuddykid> at long last
[13:44] <fsphil> got fairly warm here today
[13:44] <daveake> ANU flew right over our heads shortly before landing, and we still didn't see it!
[13:45] <number10> is a petty realy - more broken cloud would have enable the camera to focus better
[13:45] <daveake> yep
[13:47] <fsphil> cloud can look nice too
[13:47] <number10> yes, I think the ones from ANU 1 are not that bad
[13:48] <number10> pictures at the highest altitude just before burst on ANU2 not that that brilliant
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[13:49] <fsphil> I can't look yet. are they over exposed?
[13:50] <number10> those ones not in focus really fsphil, and a bit hazy
[13:56] <daveake> Julie's photos from yesterday - http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/sets/72157629830391562/
[13:56] <cuddykid> daveake: where do you get those eggs from?!
[13:57] <daveake> HobbyCraft or ebay
[13:58] <number10> great daveake, I just love Rocketboys cool launch!
[13:58] <daveake> That was fantastic. So cool. Wish I'd known about that technique :)
[13:58] <daveake> We ran like pillocks; he just stood there for his
[13:59] <daveake> My legs may be longer than Steve's but I still prefer his method :)
[14:00] <number10> indeed.. I wonder if it would work with the heaver payload
[14:00] <daveake> Not really
[14:00] <daveake> Sudden jolt could break or move something
[14:00] <number10> I wasnt even facing the way it way going - just chucked it over his sholder
[14:00] <number10> he
[14:00] <daveake> I know!
[14:01] <daveake> I was upwind with the balloon, and Steve said "let it go". I thought "WTF?" so he repeated it
[14:01] <number10> lol
[14:01] <daveake> He had it all planned
[14:08] <cuddykid> is there a video of that launch? Didn't manage to catch the live stream
[14:08] <daveake> Steve's? Dunno. I helped with it so I didn't. I have Number10's on video
[14:08] <cuddykid> yeah
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[14:33] <SamSilver_> in this pic taken from ANU at 2048 x 1536 there is a "star" or ufo? top left > http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/7241248698/sizes/k/in/set-72157629829822100/
[14:34] <Randomskk> probably a hot pixel, like the one a bit to the right and just over Earth
[14:34] <Randomskk> or the other one a bit further right again
[14:34] <Randomskk> if you like they could be caused by cosmic rays
[14:34] <cuddykid> yeah
[14:35] <SamSilver_> naaa i like ufo
[14:35] <cuddykid> send it off to the gov :P haha
[14:35] <SamSilver_> three of them
[14:36] <number10> It has always been my ambition to abduct an alien
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[14:37] <Lunar_Lander_> hello
[14:37] <Lunar_Lander_> dlfldigi is not on DanielRichman 's Github?
[14:37] <Lunar_Lander_> *now
[14:37] <Lunar_Lander_> sorry
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[14:38] <Lunar_Lander_> it says that in the ubuntu build manual
[14:39] <Lunar_Lander_> and what does " dl-fldigi also requires libjsoncpp. This is not packaged in the Ubuntu repositories, and you can find it in my PPA. You will need the libjsoncpp0 and libjsoncpp-dev packages. (direct links: i386 lib dev; amd64: lib dev)
[14:39] <Lunar_Lander_> " mean?
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[14:43] <daveake> [15:36] <number10> It has always been my ambition to abduct an alien
[14:43] <daveake> [15:37] *** Lunar_Lander_ has joined #highaltitude
[14:43] <daveake> Comic timing at its best
[14:43] <Lunar_Lander_> ROFL
[14:44] <daveake> :D
[14:44] <daveake> sorry missed ... wrong window
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[15:17] <Lunar_Lander_> is DanielRichman here?
[15:17] <Lunar_Lander_> that step with libjsoncpp seems to be new
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[15:31] <eroomde> what's new peeps?
[15:31] <Lunar_Lander_> hi nigelvh NigeyS eroomde
[15:31] <Lunar_Lander_> eroomde, I am puzzled by the ubuntu dl-fldigi installation
[15:31] <Lunar_Lander_> there seems to be a new step introduced by DanielRichman
[15:32] <eroomde> i found it quite a lengthy process
[15:32] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah
[15:32] <eroomde> i have not tried to compile it on 12.04 yet
[15:32] <Lunar_Lander_> I am in the works but I wanted to ask him why it is not on jcoxons github anymore
[15:32] <nigelvh> Howdy lunar
[15:32] <Lunar_Lander_> but on his rather
[15:37] <Randomskk> well the one on danielrichman's github repository is a test release
[15:37] <Randomskk> it's not really released yet
[15:37] <Randomskk> but it talks directly to habitat instead of going through the transition stuff
[15:37] <Randomskk> and it is a bit of a pain to build
[15:40] <Lunar_Lander_> oh
[15:40] <fsphil> still not as bad as some software
[15:40] <Lunar_Lander_> cause you need to isntall libjsoncpp0 manually?
[15:40] <fsphil> DanielRichman has packaged that too
[15:41] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[15:41] <Lunar_Lander_> but he writes you need to get that from his launchpad
[15:41] <Lunar_Lander_> or?
[15:43] <Lunar_Lander_> and who is HELIOSS?
[15:47] <nigelvh> BTW, here's the launch video from saturday. http://youtu.be/MH-Wmh4O_zQ
[15:47] <nigelvh> Got up somewhere over 100,000', don't have the exact number in front of me.
[15:47] <nigelvh> Unfortunately, we weren't able to recover it.
[15:48] <nigelvh> Hopefully a farmer will find it and give us a call.
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[15:50] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah
[15:50] <Lunar_Lander_> can anyone tell me who HELIOSS and VORTEX are?
[15:51] <Lunar_Lander_> nigelvh, cool a lot of payloads!
[15:51] <nigelvh> Yep. 3 telemetry systems that do different things, then six student payloads.
[15:51] <fsphil> that's a shame nigelvh
[15:52] <fsphil> where you chasing it?
[15:52] <nigelvh> Yeah
[15:52] <nigelvh> I assume by "where" you meant "were"
[15:52] <nigelvh> If you meant "where" then we launched from Moses Lake, WA, and the balloon headed east.
[15:53] <fsphil> a very comprehensive answer, ta :)
[15:53] <fsphil> grammer is not my strong point
[15:53] <Laurenceb> http://6.asset.soup.io/asset/3130/6166_bb36.jpeg
[15:53] <nigelvh> But sometime shortly after burst we seem to have lost all radio contact with the thing, so we drove around for a couple hours from the last known coordinates to the east searching for any signals/the small chance of seeing it.
[15:54] <fsphil> lol Laurenceb
[15:55] <fsphil> that's got to get old very quickly
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[15:58] <SamSilver_> SP balloon in red would make a nice birthday gift to me > http://www.gizmag.com/wind-prospecting-balloon/22598/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=e3983c81a9-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email
[16:00] <Lunar_Lander_> nigelvh, can you give more detail on the 9 systems?
[16:00] <Lunar_Lander_> or do you have it in compact form written down somewhere
[16:01] <Lunar_Lander_> btw fsphil did you sleep over my idea?
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[16:03] <nigelvh> I'm writing up a blog post, but in summary, My system did APRS positions and student data on 2m, Mike's system did student data via voice on 900MHz, Bob's system did ATV video on 70cm, the six student payloads varied. I think we had one student team trying to run accellerometers, maybe two running geiger counters, I think two doing light intensity sensors in various parts of the spectrum, and another I don't recall.
[16:03] <SpeedEvil> Neat
[16:03] <Lunar_Lander_> cool
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> So that's why the price of helium just went up.
[16:04] <Lunar_Lander_> voice means that the CPU was like processing the data as speech?
[16:04] <Lunar_Lander_> they had that at lake constance too
[16:04] <nigelvh> Yeah, mike's system has a ASCII to voice chip on it, and he uses that to modulate the transmitter.
[16:04] <Lunar_Lander_> so that you heard out of the radio "Delta Lima Zero Tango Tango Mike...Altitude Eight Thousand Meters..."
[16:04] <Lunar_Lander_> and so on
[16:04] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[16:04] <nigelvh> Yeah
[16:05] <Lunar_Lander_> 2 m is 144 MHz
[16:05] <Lunar_Lander_> 900 MHz is in turn
[16:05] <Lunar_Lander_> wait
[16:05] <nigelvh> Yes
[16:05] <Lunar_Lander_> 35 cm or so?
[16:05] <Lunar_Lander_> something like that
[16:05] <Lunar_Lander_> and 70 cm is 430 MHz
[16:05] <nigelvh> I think it's generally known as the 33 cm band.
[16:05] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah
[16:06] <fsphil> it's not a band we have here in the uk
[16:06] <Lunar_Lander_> man I almost got it :P
[16:06] <Lunar_Lander_> it is nice that it scales like proportionally
[16:06] <Lunar_Lander_> like 900 is a bit more than 2*430
[16:06] <Randomskk> funny that
[16:06] <Lunar_Lander_> so it is like 70/2
[16:06] <Lunar_Lander_> NATURE ROCKS
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[16:14] <Lunar_Lander_> I got one more question
[16:14] <Lunar_Lander_> in the ubuntu compile I am stuck here sudo apt-get install git git-core libcurl4-openssl-dev libjpeg62-dev autoconf
[16:14] <Lunar_Lander_> I did that and then it says I need to get the other two packages from daniel
[16:15] <Lunar_Lander_> can I like pause the installation at this time and close the terminal?
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[16:29] <G0DJA> fsphil we used to have a CB band at 934MHz
[16:29] <G0DJA> Speed of light divided by frequency = wavelength
[16:29] <G0DJA> Take out the zeros and 300/freq in MHz = wavelength in metres
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[16:34] <Lunar_Lander_> cool
[16:37] <G0DJA> Question on BBC Radio 2 Drivetime "How many helium balloons would it take to make a house float away?"
[16:38] <G0DJA> I think that's from an advertisment on UK television
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[16:52] <G0DJA> Do I hear a thousand pens scribbling lift calculations?
[16:54] <Lunar_Lander_> XD!
[16:54] <Lunar_Lander_> maybe it is cause of the one PIXAR movie with the flying house
[16:55] <Lunar_Lander_> but again
[16:55] <Lunar_Lander_> hi jcoxon
[16:55] <Lunar_Lander_> I wanted to compile the dlfldigi on my ubuntu 12.04 and noticed that the process has changed
[16:55] <Lunar_Lander_> i.e. to DanielRichman 's Github
[16:55] <Lunar_Lander_> now I am stuck
[16:55] <Lunar_Lander_> can I close the terminal?
[16:57] <Randomskk> you can close the terminal
[16:57] <Randomskk> nothing bad will happen
[16:57] <Lunar_Lander_> thanks
[16:57] <Lunar_Lander_> can I pick up from there later?
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[17:21] <Lunar_Lander_> hi cuddykid & stilldavid
[17:22] <cuddykid> hi LL
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[17:41] <daveake> I wonder if Steve has sold out of 1600s yet :)
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[17:45] <G0DJA> You are probably correct Lunar_Lander
[17:45] Action: SpeedEvil wishes he'd followed through on his facebook stock idea.
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> - I wanted to sell short.
[17:46] <russss> you can't generally short on the day of the IPO because nobody will lend to you
[17:46] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... They falling, then?
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander_> G0DJA, what exactly do you mean?
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> LazyLeopard: yes
[17:50] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm...
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[17:54] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] Possible launches19th or 20th May"
[17:59] <G0DJA> About the PIXAR film Lunar_Lander
[18:00] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[18:01] <Lunar_Lander_> is fsphil still here?
[18:01] <daveake> he never leaves
[18:01] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[18:05] <daveake> but I do :)
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[18:11] <Lunar_Lander_> XD!
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[18:23] <jcoxon> priyesh, good work on adding pico legalities to the wiki
[18:23] <jcoxon> i quoted the text
[18:24] <priyesh> jcoxon: no problem :)
[18:39] <jcoxon> its a good move
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[18:53] <G0DJA> I'm going to Friedrichshafen 21st to 25th June...
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander_> jcoxon, still on?
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander_> G0DJA, COOL ham radio 2012?
[18:55] <G0DJA> That's the one :-)
[18:55] <G0DJA> http://www.hamradio-friedrichshafen.com/ham-en/index.php
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander_> had been there 2010 for the balloon double launch
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander_> :)
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander_> but that team won't launch this year
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[18:57] <G0DJA> Says will be a balloon mission on Saturday
[18:57] <daveake> ANU2 launch - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM-29qVwGns
[18:57] <Matt_soton> how relevent is the contents of http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP736.PDF to picohabbing?
[18:57] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander_, yup
[18:58] <Matt_soton> such as section 6
[18:58] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] Possible launches19th or 20th May"
[18:59] <jcoxon> Matt_soton, reading through that it seems to be related to mass releases
[19:00] <Matt_soton> also seems to be more guidelines then rules
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander_> jcoxon, so the dl-fldigi for ubuntu is currently experimental as Randomskk said?
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander_> and thus it is not on your github anymore
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander_> G0DJA, really?
[19:00] <jcoxon> Matt_soton, especially look at chap 3 page 2 and page 3
[19:00] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander_, well itf you compile for source it will be
[19:01] <Matt_soton> oh 'balloons releases that do not meet the definition or mass release...'
[19:01] <Matt_soton> fair enough
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander_> yes
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah I mean if I follow the steps there jcoxon
[19:03] <jcoxon> should be worth while
[19:05] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[19:07] <fsphil> "did the 3000m" ... show off :)
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[19:08] <Laurenceb_> daveake: in waiting for ANU5
[19:08] <Randomskk> haha the funny part is
[19:08] <Randomskk> that joke was already made when we were setting up the flight docs
[19:08] <Randomskk> and specifically that you would find it amusing
[19:09] <Randomskk> number10> cheers - going to have to change name when doing ANU5 as I think laurence will give me loads of grief
[19:09] <jonsowman> ahah
[19:09] <Laurenceb_> lol
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[19:11] <G0DJA> Looking through details to see what time Lunar_Lander
[19:12] <jcoxon> ping jonsowman
[19:13] <daveake> Evening Rocketboy. We now have the full membership of the "43 club" here :p
[19:13] <daveake> Randomskk lol
[19:13] <griffonbot> Received email: David Bowkis "Re: [UKHAS] Possible launches19th or 20th May"
[19:14] <jcoxon> number10, so anu2 has the highest altitude pictures in the uk
[19:14] <RocketBoy> hi daveake - yeah vey exclusive atm
[19:15] <daveake> Sorry we'd gone already rather than be around to try and get XABEN back from that tree
[19:15] <number10> I believe so jcoxon
[19:15] <G0DJA> looks like I will have to email the organisers
[19:16] <jcoxon> okay i think i can see stars
[19:16] <daveake> Needed to get going to rescue Buzz before it got dark
[19:16] <daveake> Tried to call you quite a few times but you had no coverage
[19:17] <jcoxon> big pic:
[19:17] <jcoxon> http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/7241273442/sizes/k/in/set-72157629829822100/
[19:17] <number10> how high in the tree was it RocketBoy
[19:18] <RocketBoy> very high - 50ft
[19:18] <RocketBoy> id say - way longer than my 10m poles
[19:18] <jcoxon> top left corner
[19:18] <SpeedEvil> jcoxon: Wow - that's a tall tree!
[19:18] <SpeedEvil> jcoxon: You can see the curvature of the earth!
[19:18] <SpeedEvil> Getting caught in Ydrassgil is annoying.
[19:19] <Randomskk> hah
[19:19] <jcoxon> oh wait
[19:19] <jcoxon> they are dead pixels
[19:19] <Randomskk> yea :(
[19:19] <jcoxon> exactly the same on the other issues
[19:19] <jcoxon> booo
[19:20] <number10> I'll have to get my glasses out, bad pixels look the same as stars to me these days
[19:20] <SpeedEvil> number10: Stars _ARE_ hot pixels in the sky.
[19:20] <SpeedEvil> This is the secret that astronomy conceals.
[19:20] <daveake> Jupiter or Venus more likely than stars I think
[19:21] <jcoxon> daveake, nah they are in the identical places in all the pics
[19:21] <daveake> Ah
[19:21] <G0DJA> What are the blue coloured pixels (not on the earth of course) ?
[19:21] <cuddykid> there's a blue pixel aswell
[19:21] <daveake> Dead pixies then
[19:21] <cuddykid> dodgy
[19:21] <cuddykid> cosmic rays :P
[19:21] <G0DJA> Stars coming at us or going away ? Cant remember which shift is which
[19:22] <SpeedEvil> blue = dodge
[19:22] <Randomskk> blue shift coming closer
[19:22] <Randomskk> decreases wavelength
[19:22] <G0DJA> *everybody down*
[19:22] <Randomskk> bunch up ahead of object
[19:23] <G0DJA> Sorry, if you've never heard "The Navy Lark" that won't mean anything
[19:23] <number10> before I put my glasses on I thought I had a picture of Jupiter http://i.imgur.com/Rqz23.jpg
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander_> hello RocketBoy , current altitude world record holder
[19:24] <daveake> RocketBoy: emailed ARHAB yet?
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[20:13] <eroomde> what was rocketboys alt?
[20:13] <fsphil> 43.7km
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[20:13] <Randomskk> 32721 or something
[20:13] <Randomskk> 4371*
[20:13] <Randomskk> uh
[20:14] <fsphil> 43721m
[20:14] <Randomskk> thank you
[20:14] <Randomskk> I cannot type
[20:14] <eroomde> quite high then
[20:14] <Randomskk> that is one way of puttig it
[20:14] <Randomskk> putting*!
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[20:14] <eroomde> might try and launch at a pole
[20:14] <eroomde> where gravity is lower
[20:14] <Randomskk> hah
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[20:17] <nigelvh> Stupid spheroids.
[20:18] <eroomde> so what next?
[20:18] <eroomde> can we get to 50km?
[20:19] <Randomskk> that whole exponentially diminishing thing starts really hurting
[20:19] <Randomskk> I think I need to update the burst calc
[20:19] <Randomskk> it has hardcoded limits at 40km altitude
[20:19] <daveake> 40km is so 2011 :D
[20:20] <eroomde> yes i dont suppose conventional balloons would get you to 50km
[20:20] <Randomskk> when I wrote this calculator 40km was a sensible sanity check :P
[20:20] <daveake> :)
[20:20] <eroomde> but balloons have been there before
[20:20] <Randomskk> yup
[20:22] <eroomde> i guess rockets
[20:22] <eroomde> but theyre harder
[20:22] <Randomskk> really :P
[20:23] <daveake> I just realised I'm the only person to have held all 5 balloons at the top of the UK alt chart :p
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander_> AWESOME
[20:23] <Randomskk> enjoy it while it lasts :P
[20:23] <daveake> lol
[20:24] Action: Randomskk remembers launching the uk-record-taking 36km thing with one of the first hwoyee flights
[20:24] <daveake> It's like Upu's aerial woowoo
[20:24] <Randomskk> with like two cameras and a phone onboard
[20:24] <Upu> I have much woowoo
[20:24] <Randomskk> we had no idea what was going on :P
[20:24] <fsphil> good incentive to catch my flight then daveake :)
[20:24] <daveake> :)
[20:24] <daveake> lol
[20:24] <fsphil> knowing my luck it'll get to 20km
[20:27] <daveake> and then land in a t... or in the s..
[20:28] <fsphil> almost certain
[20:28] <fsphil> but that's part of the fun
[20:28] <fsphil> for a wide definition of fun
[20:29] <daveake> Well getting AVA and CLOUD out of a tree was fun
[20:30] <daveake> and ... I was present at all the top 8 :D
[20:30] <daveake> I'm available for hire lol
[20:31] <number10> how much?
[20:31] <daveake> Payable in latex
[20:31] <fsphil> do you mind taking the ferry, and paying for travel expenses yourself? :)
[20:31] <daveake> yes :)
[20:31] <number10> we would love to see you over here for a launch fsphil
[20:32] <fsphil> I'm hoping to eventually
[20:32] <number10> or maybe we sould all come over to you
[20:32] <daveake> chase-ferry
[20:32] <fsphil> you'd need it lol
[20:33] <fsphil> this is a bad launch site most of the time
[20:33] <number10> especially in snow
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[20:34] <fsphil> well that's true everywhere :)
[20:34] <fsphil> it always seems to be cold when I launch
[20:34] <fsphil> I'm intentionally delaying this one so it's in june or july
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[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> sorry back
[20:35] <x-f> it's ok
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:39] <RocketBoy> daveake: yep
[20:39] <daveake> cool. need to do mine
[20:39] <daveake> I put the details in last week
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> hi RocketBoy
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> congratulations
[20:41] <RocketBoy> :-)
[20:41] <RocketBoy> Upu:
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[20:41] <RocketBoy> how was the XABEN signal on Sunday
[20:42] <Upu> evening RocketBoy
[20:42] <Upu> wobbly
[20:42] <RocketBoy> hiya
[20:42] <Upu> but strong
[20:42] <RocketBoy> didn't fade out then?
[20:44] <Upu> no not at all
[20:44] <Upu> it seemed a little err
[20:44] <Upu> like it was spinning but it wasn't
[20:44] <Upu> lines weren't straight
[20:44] <Upu> seemed like it was having a rough ride
[20:44] <Upu> but no fade
[20:44] <Upu> burst was noticeable on carrier
[20:44] <Upu> seemed strong
[20:45] <Upu> good antenna I suspect
[20:45] <Upu> rfm22B ?
[20:47] <RocketBoy> yeah
[20:48] <RocketBoy> must have been my crappy 1/4 wave on the car giving me a duff signal then
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[20:48] <RocketBoy> tanks for tracking though
[20:48] <RocketBoy> thanks
[20:49] <Upu> I was switching between the colinear and the yagi on the FCD
[20:49] <daveake> A tank could be good
[20:49] <RocketBoy> couldn't have done it without you
[20:49] <Upu> was fine on both
[20:49] <Upu> lol
[20:49] <daveake> Sort out the trees PDQ
[20:49] <Upu> and the other 20 trackers :)
[20:49] <Upu> but welcome it was a really exciting day tbh
[20:49] <Upu> glad I hung on that carrier though
[20:49] <RocketBoy> me 2
[20:50] <RocketBoy> :-)
[20:50] <Upu> finding BUZZ whilst looking for XABEN was a winner though
[20:50] <daveake> I was really enjoying it even when I thought Buzz was a gonner
[20:50] <daveake> Yep
[20:50] <RocketBoy> gonna sendle idle charcaters methinks
[20:50] <RocketBoy> send
[20:50] <Upu> oh priyesh needs a pat on the back for sorting the document out at short notice
[20:50] <daveake> I'm glad I left Buzz on 434.2 rather than moving it further away from XABEN :)
[20:51] <Upu> yeah that was lucky
[20:51] <Upu> both fsphil and I were looking for XABEN and found BUZZ
[20:51] <daveake> Cool :D
[20:51] <Upu> timing was good as ANU landed so I could then track XABEN and BUZZ at the same time
[20:51] <daveake> Even I wasn't bothering to look for BUZZ
[20:51] <priyesh> Upu: no problem :)
[20:51] <Upu> for something that really should be boring it was damn good fun
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[20:52] <Upu> so have you recovered your payload RocketBoy ?
[20:52] <RocketBoy> na - its too high up a tree
[20:52] <Upu> catapult ?
[20:52] <RocketBoy> in someones (very big) front garden
[20:53] <Upu> ah ok
[20:53] <RocketBoy> biggest trees for miles around
[20:53] <RocketBoy> like a magnet
[20:53] <Upu> did you speak to the owner ?
[20:53] <RocketBoy> still got some shots with a telephoto
[20:53] <RocketBoy> yeah - seemed a bit annoyed
[20:54] <Upu> ah ok
[20:54] <daveake> oh!
[20:54] <RocketBoy> but let me poke about before we saw it on the top of the tree
[20:55] <RocketBoy> might drop him a line and offer a reward if he gets someone to get it back
[20:55] <Upu> have a practice recovery on daveake's payload - did you ever get it back ?
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[20:56] <daveake> No but I'll have another go
[20:56] <daveake> Catapult broke last time
[20:56] <Upu> how did you break that ?
[20:57] <daveake> leather pouch fell apart
[20:57] <daveake> I have a spare
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[21:08] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Possible launches19th or 20th May - XABEN-25"
[21:11] <daveake> ARHAB alt table has been updated :D
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:13] <Upu> where's ANU!
[21:13] <daveake> Doubt Number10 has sent it in yet
[21:13] <daveake> Also Buzz5 should be there as I emailed that in last week
[21:14] <RocketBoy> yea - some clear water with CNSP
[21:14] <daveake> :D
[21:14] <cuddykid> wonder how long it will be until people hit 44km
[21:14] <Upu> well
[21:14] <Upu> in other news : $$uAVA,10,21:14:22,53.752400,-1.817799,311,6,8460,0.93,G*E851
[21:15] <daveake> it lives :)
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> but what is VORTEX and HELIOSS?
[21:16] <daveake> payloads
[21:16] <daveake> flying on Friday I think
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:16] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/iZolY.jpg
[21:16] <Upu> it lives indeed with a SD card for size
[21:16] <Upu> RFM22B and GPS are on the other side
[21:17] <jcoxon> Upu, hooray
[21:17] <RocketBoy> thats a bit big
[21:17] <Upu> lol
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:17] <Upu> RFM22B has to be left transmitting carrier
[21:18] <RocketBoy> sorted the rfi ?
[21:18] <Upu> RFI ?
[21:18] <Upu> interference ?
[21:18] <RocketBoy> yeah - that was my major problem scrunching it all together - dave A had the same problem
[21:19] <jcoxon> i think it being on a pcb will really help
[21:19] <Upu> what are the symptoms as I've not seen it on the PCB's
[21:19] <RocketBoy> de-sensitizing the GPS
[21:19] <daveake> My bugs with the boards sandwiched together can't help
[21:19] <RocketBoy> taking ages to get a decent lock
[21:20] <daveake> Mine was on for 20 mins at home then 2 hours in the car then another 20 mins in the field with no lock. Cycled the power then it got a lock within a couple of mins or so
[21:21] <RocketBoy> a good groundplane under the micro willl probably sort most of it
[21:21] <daveake> I'll have a try at that
[21:21] <cuddykid> wonder if that was the issue with mine? During testing - sometimes it would take >30mins to get 3D lock - other times it would take ~2mines
[21:21] <cuddykid> *mins
[21:22] <jcoxon> Upu, looks good
[21:22] <RocketBoy> i think that would be it
[21:22] <cuddykid> would explain it
[21:22] <Upu> hmm ok
[21:22] <RocketBoy> all im saying is that its a design factor
[21:22] <cuddykid> yeah
[21:22] <Upu> well its getting a lock indoors with the antenna facing down at the moment
[21:23] <Upu> but the chip antennas are noticeable less sensitive than the Sarantels
[21:23] <RocketBoy> well ther probably isn't a problem then
[21:27] <Upu> the board does have a lot of ground plane on it though
[21:27] <Upu> I really should do more launches and test this stuff
[21:27] <Upu> that said it just lost lock when I closed the curtains
[21:27] <Upu> :)
[21:28] <eroomde> noel edmunds used to present top gear, i just found out
[21:28] <Upu> he did
[21:29] <eroomde> so glad i wasnt alive then
[21:29] <Matt_soton> try timing the time it takes to get lock with the radio on, and the radio off a few times
[21:29] <Matt_soton> keeping everything in exectly the same place
[21:29] <Matt_soton> the rfm22b has no shielding
[21:29] <Matt_soton> its not even CE tested
[21:30] <cuddykid> haha, pure chinese goodness
[21:30] <Upu> daveake tells me CE = Chinese Export
[21:30] <Matt_soton> well it doesnt need CE marking in the same way a RF IC isnt CE marked
[21:30] <Matt_soton> its not a final piece of consumer electronics
[21:31] <Matt_soton> radiometrix consider their unit to be more of a final module, and CE test it, but they probably could get away with not bothering
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[21:32] <eroomde> CE is chinese export and C E is the eu one
[21:32] <eroomde> if the c were to be continued into a O, the right hand edge of the O would be tangential with the left hand side of the E
[21:33] <eroomde> on the chine one, the E is too close to the C
[21:34] <priyesh> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/CE_marks.jpg
[21:34] <eroomde> thousand words
[21:36] <cuddykid> never knew there were 2 logos until just - thanks :D
[21:36] <fsphil> cheeky chinese
[21:40] <number10> daveake: I sent details on ARHAB
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[21:45] <RocketBoy> nights
[21:45] <Upu> nn
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[21:45] <Upu> hey number10 so have you uploaded pictures or did I miss them ?
[21:46] <cuddykid> http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16232664 - no habbing near London then :P
[21:47] <fsphil> dunno why they just haven't replaced the police with the army
[21:47] <Upu> I really don't get the Olympics
[21:47] <fsphil> they're running pretty much everything else those few weeks
[21:47] <fsphil> madness
[21:49] <LazyLeopard> Folks at the local astronomical society were looking for a good place near Greenwich to observe what little of the Transit of Venus we might see, and went wandering up to the nearest thing Blackheath has for a hill...
[21:49] <LazyLeopard> ...and found a missile launcher parked there.
[21:50] <cuddykid> haha
[21:50] <Upu> http://newsthump.com/2012/05/04/olympic-rooftop-missiles-%E2%80%98stolen-by-scrap-metal-dealers%E2%80%99/
[21:51] <cuddykid> brilliant
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[21:53] <Upu> anyway Darkside
[21:54] <Upu> Photo payload launch Nov 13th pls
[21:54] <Upu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse_of_November_13,_2012
[21:55] <fsphil> Might do a pico, get in everyones pictures
[21:58] <number10> Upu pics are here http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/sets/72157629834096590/ and onboard camera here http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/sets/72157629829822100/
[21:58] <Upu> thx
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[21:58] <Upu> how many pictures did it take ?
[21:58] <Upu> evening G8KNN-Jon
[21:58] <Upu> they look great
[21:59] <fsphil> looks like you got some thunderstorms
[21:59] <number10> about 2100, Upu so have not seen all of them
[21:59] <fsphil> http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/7241264768/in/set-72157629829822100/
[21:59] <number10> lots of ground pic
[22:00] <Upu> yeah bet there is some in there you can stitch too
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> dave was in Indianapolis in September 2003 I can tell
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> the record holders https://secure.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/7242845960/in/set-72157629834096590
[22:02] <number10> looks like it fsphil... would be great to send one up when those where near
[22:02] <fsphil> a late evening launch esp., so the lightning would be visible
[22:02] <fsphil> they're so rare though
[22:04] <number10> it would be fun, not sure if notams here would allow
[22:04] <number10> last night is catching up and 5:30 start so off - cu
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[22:17] <griffonbot> Received email: Nigel Vander Houwen "Re: [UKHAS] WA, USA launch on May 19th"
[22:24] <MrScienceMan> has anyone used quadrifilar helicodial antena for the payload?
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[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> got a tuning question
[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> for my FT-790R again
[23:09] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander: Go-faster stripes first.
[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> 434.075 MHz is what dial setup on tha?
[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:09] <SpeedEvil> Then lights underneath and a monster sub
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:10] <SpeedEvil> 4.075 isn't it?
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[23:10] <SpeedEvil> (Do not have one)
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> that was it
[23:14] <jcoxon> yes
[23:14] <jcoxon> it assumes the 43 at the beginning
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[23:16] <Lunar_Lander> YES THE LAPTOP WORKS
[23:16] <Lunar_Lander> got a mobile ground tracker now
[23:18] <SpeedEvil> :)
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> when I plugged the radio into line-in, I just got the radio sound over the speakers
[23:20] <Lunar_Lander> but at the mic port dl-fldigi can read it
[23:20] <jcoxon> eek
[23:20] <jcoxon> you won't get teh best decodes that way
[23:20] <Lunar_Lander> why?
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> It varies with device
[23:20] <jcoxon> as in is the laptop mic picking it up?
[23:20] <jcoxon> or is it the actual mic port
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> Sound mixing is complex
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> it is probably not going through the mic
[23:21] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, as like on a desktop PC you have the green, blue and pink port
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> If you tap the mic - do you get any response
[23:21] <Lunar_Lander> and this is the microphone port (pink)
[23:21] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[23:21] <Lunar_Lander> no mic involved
[23:21] <Lunar_Lander> it is the physical socket
[23:21] <Lunar_Lander> the audio cable comes from the headphone port of the radio
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> and goes into the mic socket
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> first I had it in the line-in socket
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> but that only gave me the radio audio on the speakers
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[23:24] <MrScienceMan> just configure fldigi to read the line-in socket
[23:24] <MrScienceMan> you can mute it form volume controls
[23:26] <Lunar_Lander> well
[23:26] <Lunar_Lander> I can see "Port Audio" and then Capture shows "Microsoft Soundmapper - Input" and "Crystal WDM Audio"
[23:26] <Lunar_Lander> have selected the latter one
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[23:28] <Lunar_Lander> some laptops don't even have a line in
[23:28] <MrScienceMan> surely it support line in
[23:28] <MrScienceMan> yeh, mine doesnt
[23:28] <Lunar_Lander> so the mic socket should be OK?
[23:28] <Lunar_Lander> not that a mic records the radio sounds
[23:29] <MrScienceMan> perhaps
[23:29] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:29] <MrScienceMan> hmm
[23:29] <Lunar_Lander> I mean now I can see the output that should be there
[23:30] <MrScienceMan> from what i know mic port provides some power so the mic can operate
[23:30] <MrScienceMan> and line-in doesnt
[23:30] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[23:30] <Lunar_Lander> so you think there could be interference?
[23:30] <MrScienceMan> so im not entirely certain its a good idea to plug it in there
[23:31] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:32] <Lunar_Lander> OK I found the thing in the audio setup and selected line-in
[23:32] <Lunar_Lander> that works now
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[23:34] <MrScienceMan> got line in in fldigi ? :)
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[23:34] <MrScienceMan> sweet
[23:34] <MrScienceMan> where did you grab the radio from btw?
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander> what I see now is the waterfall is not that bright yellow anymore
[23:35] <Lunar_Lander> was lucky to find it on ebay
[23:35] <Lunar_Lander> from a guy in Austria
[23:35] <MrScienceMan> looked recently for the same radio, 0 result on ebay
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[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> they come from time to time
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander> I set an alert on ebay so I get an e-mail when a FT-790R appears
[23:37] <MrScienceMan> cant remember, was that the reciever only one ?
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander> no, a transceiver
[23:38] <MrScienceMan> :D
[23:38] <MrScienceMan> how much did it cost you?
[23:41] <Lunar_Lander> I paid 115 euro
[23:45] <MrScienceMan> excellent :D
[23:46] <Lunar_Lander> :D
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