highaltitude.log.20120519

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[01:25] <pschulz01> Morning
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[06:49] <griffonbot> @vk5gr: @amradvictoria: Listen for balloon from Mildura http://t.co/NEThdIzy visit http://t.co/eRQNi3in for info on this project #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/vk5gr/status/203739032822366208]
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[07:14] <daveake> yawning all
[07:15] <daveake> need more sleep
[07:17] <x-f> morning
[07:18] <x-f> why are you up so early then?
[07:18] <daveake> good question
[07:24] <x-f> SpaceX webcast will start in 50 minutes on http://www.spacex.com/webcast/
[07:25] <daveake> ah good
[07:42] <Upu> morning
[07:43] <daveake> mronign
[07:43] <Upu> mronign!
[07:45] <Darkside> ooh
[07:45] <Darkside> are they launching today
[07:46] <Upu> yup
[07:46] <Upu> to supply the ISS I think ?
[07:46] <daveake> yep
[07:52] <Darkside> cooool
[08:00] <eroomde> excitement!
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[08:30] <eroomde> ive never been blown away by nasa's prelaunch coverage
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[08:35] <Darkside> heh
[08:35] <Darkside> this isn't much better
[08:36] <Darkside> i wondwer what telemetry freq SpaceX are using
[08:36] <Darkside> well, freqs
[08:38] <r2x0t> S-band
[08:39] <r2x0t> https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_seq=49678
[08:39] <Darkside> mm
[08:39] <Darkside> dont have anything for that freq
[08:39] <r2x0t> we are going to receive it with few guys
[08:39] <r2x0t> if you want, you can join #hearsat @ Starchat IRC
[08:39] <Darkside> ok
[08:39] <r2x0t> live SDR screenshots and more will be posted :)
[08:39] <Darkside> starchat?
[08:39] <r2x0t> irc.starchat.net
[08:39] <Darkside> :-)
[08:39] <Darkside> k
[08:40] <Darkside> lol, boneheads in the background
[08:41] <eroomde> there is an iss controlmroom positionncalled CATO
[08:41] <eroomde> lolzor
[08:42] <Darkside> this is a joke i do not get
[08:56] <cuddykid> lol
[08:56] <cuddykid> bit of a flop
[08:56] <Darkside> uh oh
[08:56] <russss> bah, pad abort
[08:57] <russss> next window is May 22nd
[08:58] <x-f> NASA TV: "three, two, one aaand liftoff.. did not occur"
[08:58] <russss> lol
[08:59] <cuddykid> even north korea got off the pad..
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[09:00] <eroomde> whoopsie
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[09:02] <russss> seems that the falcon has a high likelihood of pad aborts
[09:02] <russss> perhaps with a correspondingly lower likelihood of shit going wrong in flight
[09:02] <russss> high chamber pressure on one engine
[09:05] <eroomde> 72hr turnaround
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[09:35] <fsphil> glad I didn't get up for that launch :)
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[10:35] <SpeedEvil> SpaceX briefing on aborted countdown
[10:35] <SpeedEvil> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
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[10:36] <fsphil> email on the GPSL list, they're raising the price of H2 in the US by 18%
[10:36] <SpeedEvil> H2?
[10:36] <fsphil> yea!
[10:36] <Darkside> interesting
[10:36] <SpeedEvil> GPSL=?
[10:37] <fsphil> US version of ukhas
[10:37] <SpeedEvil> ah
[10:37] <SpeedEvil> - in short - at t-0.5s they terminated the burn as engine #5 had over nominal pressure
[10:38] <SpeedEvil> Which was nominal at the test fire
[10:38] <SpeedEvil> rechecking, and starting the 22nd.
[10:39] <r2x0t> they will "fix" it by adjusting limits...
[10:40] <Darkside> so guys
[10:40] <Darkside> there'll be a launch tomorrow
[10:40] <Darkside> about 11AM our time
[10:40] <Darkside> 1:30UTC
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[10:41] <Darkside> second cutdown test, and also a test of some interesting code that messes with the lat/long on the way down
[10:41] <Darkside> i'm going to be gradually introducing an offset into the latitude/longitude as it descends
[10:42] <Laurenceb> so, as spacex is off...
[10:42] <Laurenceb> any balloon launches coming up?
[10:42] <fsphil> that's a better idea than randomising it Darkside
[10:42] <Darkside> Laurenceb: tomorrow morning :P
[10:42] <Darkside> fsphil: yeah
[10:42] <fsphil> lol
[10:42] <Laurenceb> cool
[10:42] <Darkside> it'll just look like the wind is pushing it
[10:42] <Darkside> :-)
[10:42] <Darkside> but by the time it hits the ground, the reported position will be approx 3km off
[10:43] <Laurenceb> erm why?
[10:43] <SpeedEvil> r2x0t: no, they want to actually go in and inspect it.
[10:43] <Darkside> Laurenceb: an upcoming balloon flight has a competition associated with it
[10:44] <Darkside> first person to the payload wins a radio
[10:44] <Darkside> i'm going to make it a bit harder for them - this will force them to use direction finding techniques, at least for the final hunt
[10:48] <Darkside> hmm, my telemetry isnt getting through to spacenearus
[10:51] <fsphil> anything in the log?
[10:52] <fsphil> hmm.. parsing successfully
[10:53] <Darkside> yep
[10:54] <Darkside> hmm
[10:55] <Darkside> i'm receiving positions
[10:55] <Darkside> thats interesting
[10:55] <Darkside> its not showing though
[10:55] <Darkside> maybe its my browser
[10:55] <Darkside> fsphil: where do you see HORUS?
[10:56] <fsphil> spacenear us isn't matching the telm strings
[10:56] <fsphil> -34.992,139.008
[10:56] <Darkside> dammit
[10:56] <fsphil> it's like its reading the strings but ignore them
[10:56] <fsphil> perhaps the telemetry number?
[10:56] <Darkside> eh>?
[10:56] <Darkside> how do you mean
[10:56] <fsphil> string number even
[10:57] <Darkside> it looks fine
[10:57] <fsphil> it might ignore strings it thinks are older
[10:57] <fsphil> it just moved
[10:57] <Darkside> hmm
[10:57] <Darkside> thats interesting
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[10:57] <fsphil> I bet it was that
[10:57] <Darkside> thats.. weird
[10:57] <fsphil> it might have thought it was duplicate strings
[10:57] <Darkside> so what happens if the payload resets in flight?
[10:57] <fsphil> point
[10:58] <fsphil> and that's happened, and it still worked
[10:58] <Darkside> i just reset the payload
[11:00] <Darkside> and now its back to now updating
[11:00] <Darkside> not*
[11:00] <Darkside> wtf
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[11:20] <Randomskk> what is it
[11:20] <Randomskk> sec
[11:21] <Darkside> :P
[11:24] <Darkside> Randomskk: while you're at it, could you please make a duplicate of the HORUS flight doc, but with the callsign 'DARKSIDE'
[11:24] <Darkside> going to be flying 2 payloads tomorrow, one with coordinate hax, and don't want to get them confused
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[11:35] <Randomskk> Darkside: I've made the DARKSIDE doc
[11:36] <Darkside> ok, testing that now
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[11:37] <Randomskk> I think the zero lat and lng might be why spacenear is sad?
[11:37] <Randomskk> habitat is definitely trying to upload it
[11:37] <Darkside> nah this is different
[11:37] <Darkside> before i had perfect lock
[11:37] <Darkside> i'm just waiting fdor this paload to get lock atm
[11:37] <Randomskk> ok
[11:39] <Darkside> any idea what was up with the HORUS payload before?
[11:39] <Darkside> spacenearus wasn't updating until the sequence number got to a certain point
[11:39] <Randomskk> odd
[11:40] <Darkside> ok so DARKSIDE appears to be working
[11:40] <Darkside> but yeah, the HORUS thing is a bit of a pain
[11:40] <Darkside> tbh its likely the sequence number will get very high before we launch and not cause a problem
[11:40] <Darkside> but it was happenin g anyway
[11:41] <Randomskk> want me to clear the current darkside and horus data
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[11:41] <Randomskk> from the tracker?
[11:41] <Darkside> Randomskk: sure, though i can do that too
[11:41] <Darkside> it may have been a duplicate data issue
[11:41] <Darkside> evening vk5gr
[11:41] <vk5gr> evenin Darkside
[11:41] <Randomskk> right, that's done. see if either/both work
[11:41] <Randomskk> it looks like darkside was starting to work once it got lock
[11:41] <vk5gr> is juxta here?
[11:42] <Darkside> vk5gr: dont think so
[11:42] <Darkside> he gave me a call a minute ago
[11:42] <vk5gr> need to confirm what seats he does actually have
[11:42] <Darkside> oh yeah, i'll give him a call again
[11:42] <Darkside> his main pc is dead
[11:43] <vk5gr> still not 100% sure yet - about 90% depends if I get the rest of this spec finished tonight
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[11:43] <Darkside> damn, just called terry
[11:43] <Darkside> the car will be full
[11:44] <Darkside> he promised matt (the other matt) that he could come along
[11:44] <vk5gr> thats fine
[11:44] <vk5gr> gives me more time to sort out things before heading out to Mildura
[11:45] <Darkside> ok
[11:45] <Darkside> i've got a VOX cable sorted
[11:45] <vk5gr> you might be in for a long drive anyway. if you slow the asscent down to 2-3ms you wont reach apogee until you are over the border and headed for Ouyen
[11:46] <Darkside> then we change the ascent rate
[11:46] <vk5gr> if you keep it up around 5ms youll land near Billat - remember to set it down to the west of it - there are almost no tracks into it
[11:47] <vk5gr> thats what bogged adrian last time we went near it
[11:47] <Darkside> not sure what prediction you'r elooking at
[11:47] <Darkside> http://projecthorus.org/predict/#!/uuid=fa796314f3d59b51f013bb9974a426e9221e0071
[11:48] <vk5gr> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=3eb737c7d7af93515fc74143e80d335641e6604a
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[11:48] <Darkside> what the hell
[11:49] <vk5gr> so why is the local one so different to csuf?
[11:49] <Darkside> i do not know..
[11:49] <vk5gr> cusf i should say
[11:49] <Darkside> i think it might be a time zone problem
[11:49] <Darkside> hmm
[11:49] <vk5gr> i put a little more trust into cusf methinks
[11:50] <Randomskk> could be that you've put in times an hour apart with different ascent rates and burst altitudes
[11:50] <vk5gr> im 30 minutes earlier than yours
[11:50] <Randomskk> timezones is a thing that really needs sorting out properly in the predictor though
[11:51] <Darkside> http://projecthorus.org/predict/#!/uuid=d9119845facfcb57cf43eb68a7f756b2414307b4
[11:51] <Darkside> ok that is very weird
[11:51] <vk5gr> rerunning cusf with the same parameters as your original one - standby
[11:51] <vk5gr> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=a479f1c03eae1f5f121b5d467e4ff504b59afc72
[11:51] <Darkside> the projecthorus predictor was perfect for tuesdays launch
[11:52] <vk5gr> puts you over the border on the fringe of Murray Sunset Nat Pk - very Horus 7ish
[11:52] <Darkside> hrmm.
[11:52] <Darkside> if we see it doing that it hink we'll be cutting doen early...
[11:53] <Darkside> and if the cutdown doesn't work, then we have a long drive
[11:53] <vk5gr> figured as much :-)
[11:53] <vk5gr> ping natrium42
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[11:54] <vk5gr> darkside did you see the timelapse of the reccie trip BTW?
[11:54] <Darkside> yep
[11:54] <vk5gr> launch doesnt look to be any issue
[11:54] <Darkside> yeah
[11:54] <Darkside> also, i recorded the bus trip home in 120fps
[11:55] <Darkside> and got some footage of the hindley/king-william intersection
[11:55] <Darkside> couldn't get the kind of shot you mentioned
[11:55] <vk5gr> oh cool - can you dump it somewhre for me to look at? interested to see what twixtor can do with it
[11:56] <Darkside> will upload a bit now
[11:56] <Darkside> depends how big it is
[11:56] <vk5gr> no probs
[11:57] <Darkside> ugh huge
[11:57] <Darkside> 300mb
[11:57] <junderwood> Randomskk, did you manage to make the changes on VORTEX2 and HELIOSS ?
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[11:58] <vk5gr> thats not that big :-?
[11:58] <Darkside> vk5gr: means i need to put it somewhere
[11:58] <vk5gr> currently uploading 13GB to the US for One Day On Earth 11.11.11
[11:58] <Darkside> haha
[11:59] <vk5gr> expect it to take about 48hrs
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[11:59] <Darkside> hang on, ill upload a 37mb file - the first thing i recorded in 120fps
[11:59] <Darkside> its me waving teh camera around
[12:00] <fsphil> 120fps is seriously making me consider getting another gopro and selling this one
[12:00] <fsphil> typical they'd make a new version after I get one
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[12:02] <Randomskk> junderwood: yes, they should be done
[12:02] <vk5gr> the only catch with the 120fps is that it is only 960x640 from memory
[12:02] <Randomskk> let me know if anything seems wrong
[12:02] <junderwood> Thanks. I will test them later.
[12:02] <Randomskk> cool
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[12:04] <Darkside> vk5gr: uploading
[12:04] <Darkside> 70%
[12:04] <vk5gr> ok
[12:07] <Darkside> pipe2.darklomax.org/dump/GOPR2973.MP4
[12:07] <Darkside> (http)
[12:09] <MrScienceMan> aww, spacex had a problem with one of the engines :(
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[12:13] <eroomde> lucky they found it before letting go
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[12:15] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[12:15] <SpeedEvil> Same thing happens with shuttle - you're launching anyway
[12:15] <eroomde> not quite
[12:15] <eroomde> shuttle main engines can also abort
[12:15] <eroomde> happened on about 5 occassions
[12:15] <SpeedEvil> Well - if a liquid engine has an issue after the SSME lights
[12:16] <SpeedEvil> There is - IIRC - a 1s clampdown after the solids light
[12:16] <eroomde> yes youve had it then
[12:16] <eroomde> but thats why they lit them in advance and checked them out before lighting the solids
[12:16] <vk5gr> darkside playing it back at 25fps is pretty good - it is a bit noisy due to the low light and I dont think the lens distortion/fish eye is as bad as the gopro 1
[12:17] <SpeedEvil> Fair enough.
[12:17] Action: SpeedEvil crosses fingers for the 2[n]nd.
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[12:19] <Darkside> vk5gr: you can't turn off the wide angle stuff when its in 120fps mode sadly
[12:19] <eroomde> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VELYTzUrjc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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[12:22] <Darkside> vk5gr: i managed to decode thuraya data
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[12:22] <Darkside> vk5gr: decoded information about teh spot beam centres
[12:22] <eroomde> the space shuttle main engines are an astounding bit of design
[12:22] <eroomde> every metric in them is bonkers
[12:23] <eroomde> hopeless too in that everything was so on its limits it had to be refurbished after every flight
[12:23] <Darkside> vk5gr: http://bit.ly/nInTOi
[12:23] <vk5gr> now rendering it out via twixtor with a further x10 speed reduction - so that is getting twixtor to face 10 frames for every one, and then considering that it was already 4.8 times slower - so thats the equivalent of shooting at 1200fps
[12:23] <eroomde> but still, mind boggling
[12:25] <vk5gr> thuraya 2 must be very low on the horizon to you"
[12:25] <vk5gr> ?
[12:25] <Darkside> vk5gr: Thuraya 3
[12:26] <Darkside> the one over malaysia
[12:26] <vk5gr> ok so the link isnt showing just stuff you decoded then
[12:26] <Darkside> nah
[12:26] <Darkside> the green markers are mine
[12:26] <Darkside> the oens over australia
[12:26] <Darkside> those are the spot beams i can see
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[12:30] <pjm> Darkside u should come to #hearsat on starchat IRC
[12:32] <vk5gr> darkside - well it twixtored ok - but the noise level in the image mssed with the motion estimation. still gives us an idea of what we might get one day with a camera facing up at the balloon at burst
[12:32] <Darkside> ok
[12:33] <Darkside> i'll bring my DSLR tomorrow and try and get some video foorage with it
[12:34] <Darkside> only 720p
[12:34] <Darkside> i tried last time, but my screen is crap, and i couldn't make out the balloon
[12:34] <Darkside> also i have shaky hands :-) can you fix that?
[12:37] <eroomde> alcohol
[12:38] <joph> tripod ;)
[12:39] <fsphil> medussa
[12:39] <Darkside> haha
[12:39] <Darkside> i was thinking more post-processing
[12:39] <Darkside> but sure
[12:39] <Darkside> i'll try alcohol
[12:39] <Darkside> right before i'm meant to be navigating on a balloon launch
[12:39] <Darkside> that'll go wel
[12:41] <joph> that's also possible
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[12:42] <joph> recently I saw an algorithm which compares the frames and then removes the shake
[12:42] <eroomde> yes they exist fo sho
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[12:42] <eroomde> youtube does it now
[12:42] <eroomde> they ought a wee startup
[12:42] <eroomde> biught*
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[12:50] <vk5gr> shaky hands and dslr = not much hope - but we can try
[12:50] <vk5gr> rolling shutter usually is a bitch to fix
[12:50] <Darkside> yeah that was the other issue
[12:50] <Darkside> well i could just use my phone again
[12:50] <Darkside> how well did that clean up?
[12:50] <Darkside> (this time i'll remember to clean the damn lens)
[12:50] <vk5gr> looks like I finally put the horus 18 film somewhere where it got peoples attention - 200+ plays today
[12:51] <Darkside> also whats going on with the 2nd SGV music video?
[12:51] <vk5gr> phone is OK too but the galaxy doesnt have as nice an image stabilisation software compared to the iPhone from what I ahve found so far
[12:51] <vk5gr> waiting on them to now release it. Mark has it and the finished copy approved
[12:52] <vk5gr> they will release on vimeo and youtube on their channels - we can link back to it from there
[12:52] <Darkside> pl
[12:52] <Darkside> ok
[12:53] <vk5gr> go the dslr - at least it will have more weight and have some natural damping compared to phone
[12:53] <vk5gr> the other option couild be - I come out for launch and film that at least
[12:53] <vk5gr> what time are you planning on arriving at grahams? (presuming it will be from there?)
[12:53] <Darkside> yeah
[12:53] <Darkside> uhmm, prolly 10:30 i think
[12:53] <Darkside> maybe earlier
[12:54] <vk5gr> might do that - could still use the practice shooting
[12:54] <Darkside> hehe
[12:54] <vk5gr> and will bring my new tripod to play with
[12:54] <vk5gr> now have a proper fluid head
[12:54] <Darkside> i really want video footage of the cutdown getting triggered
[12:54] <Darkside> but we'll have to do that in teh car i guess
[12:54] <vk5gr> well, i could follow along behind and then when you cut down im over your shoulder filming it
[12:55] <vk5gr> you can always stop to cut it down
[12:55] <Darkside> we did last time
[12:55] <Darkside> we stopped where the predictor said it woudl land :P
[12:55] <vk5gr> provided you stick to the bitumen pretty much for triggering it I can follow
[12:55] <vk5gr> does terry have an iphone?
[12:55] <Darkside> :P
[12:56] <Darkside> no
[12:56] <vk5gr> was going to loan him the phone mount - then again if I mount it in my car i can film terry chasing
[12:56] <Darkside> hehe
[12:56] <Darkside> if you stick behind us
[12:56] <vk5gr> all serious options
[12:56] <Darkside> i don't think we'll have a comms antenna on this time
[12:57] <vk5gr> yeah but if i am close enough i can talk to you guys in the cab on a ht
[12:57] <Darkside> yeah
[12:57] <vk5gr> the idea would be to stick to terry like glue
[12:57] <vk5gr> besides - he cant speed or your dad will ring up again :-)
[12:57] <Darkside> hahahahaha
[12:57] <Darkside> yes
[12:57] <Darkside> what would be cool is a shot of the cutdown being triggered
[12:57] <Darkside> then cut to the payload footage
[12:58] <Darkside> depending on how we do the cameras, it can show the balloon flying away
[12:58] <vk5gr> well - do that 2hrs odd into the flight and I can oblige - provided you have a camera that you have the rights to the footage on
[12:58] <vk5gr> well - a good reason for an upward pointing camera then het?
[12:58] <vk5gr> hey?
[12:59] <Darkside> hehe yep
[12:59] <Darkside> but it means we don't have any outward facing footage for the rest of the flight, which is a bit sad
[13:00] <Darkside> damn all this copyright stuff
[13:00] <vk5gr> yeah but I can use film from Horus 12 for that if needed
[13:00] <Darkside> haha
[13:00] <Darkside> cheat
[13:00] <Darkside> though i saw what you did for the horus 23 film
[13:00] <vk5gr> in the tv industry it is called non linear editing
[13:00] <vk5gr> horus 23 used stuff from a number of flights actuallyt
[13:00] <Darkside> I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE
[13:00] <Darkside> haha
[13:00] <Darkside> yes i noticed
[13:00] <Darkside> 'i've seen that road before....'
[13:00] <vk5gr> some horus 8, horus 7, horus 9
[13:00] <vk5gr> yeah need some new dirt road footage
[13:01] <Darkside> hehe
[13:01] <vk5gr> it will make an appearance int he SGV horus 19 BTS video too
[13:01] <Darkside> i'm sure that could be arraanged
[13:01] <Darkside> haha nice
[13:01] <Darkside> the same footage of the landcruiser appearing over the road
[13:02] <vk5gr> im planning on filming more during the Mildura flight of the ground setup, chase and landing - as long as there is no one in the back seat with me it is easier as it gives me somewhere to store camera gear - very cramped otherwise when there are four of us
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[13:02] <Darkside> yeah
[13:02] <Darkside> i'm not sure how thats going to work yet
[13:03] <Darkside> like, who we're goign to have in each chase car
[13:03] <Darkside> vk5gr: https://vimeo.com/40771342 2:33
[13:03] <Darkside> that footage
[13:04] <Darkside> taken from teh dash of matts truck, as you're travelling down a dirt road, with adrian in front
[13:04] <vk5gr> yup
[13:04] <vk5gr> that was horus 7 actually
[13:04] <Darkside> hehe
[13:04] <Darkside> we've used that clip.. 3 or 4 times now?
[13:04] <Darkside> its a very cool shot though
[13:05] <vk5gr> yeah - thats why I want to shoot some with the iPhone or the GH2 - probably the iPhone with the window mount to get the stability - the GH-2 with the rolling shutter will be a bit hard until I invest in the steadicam merlin 2 I am drooling over
[13:05] <vk5gr> need about $700 AUD spare first
[13:06] <Darkside> ouch
[13:06] <vk5gr> thats about what I spent this week buying the new Sachtler tripor
[13:06] <Darkside> i've been considering getting a USRP B100
[13:06] <Darkside> well, either that or a AOR-5000
[13:06] <vk5gr> at least B&H's shipping is quick - 5 days from New York to here
[13:07] <vk5gr> well get in quick I say - the dollar is only headin south thanks to the greeks
[13:07] <Darkside> mm
[13:08] <Darkside> i'm still not sure about the B100..
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[13:08] <Darkside> i'd need 2 daugherboards to make it useful
[13:08] <vk5gr> i was lucky - ordered the tripod just before it droped 4c
[13:08] <Darkside> which is another $1000 on top of the $625 of the motehrboard
[13:08] <Darkside> if i get an AOR5000 its receive only, but then i can use my SDR-IQ as a IF receiver
[13:08] <Darkside> and look at teh 10.7MHz IF
[13:08] <Darkside> and i already have other SDRs that cover that range that i can use
[13:09] <Darkside> BUT... finding a secondhand AOR-5000 is goign to be difficult, nobody wants to let them go, they're that good
[13:10] <Darkside> i guess i could put a request out on vkham
[13:10] <vk5gr> try it - you never know
[13:10] <vk5gr> well im pullin the plug.
[13:10] <eroomde> who has the callign vk1ng?
[13:10] <eroomde> callsign*
[13:11] <vk5gr> ill assume you guys are going to be at grahams around 10am to fly at 11am and plan on showing up for launch. will then follow you out and film cut-down trigger.
[13:11] <Darkside> eroomde: nobody
[13:11] <Darkside> that callsign doesn't exit
[13:11] <Darkside> exist
[13:11] <Darkside> well, at least it doesn't at the moment
[13:11] <Darkside> vk5gr: cool
[13:11] <eroomde> sad
[13:11] <vk5gr> then head home - get you to capture a couple shots with your phone or DSLR of recovery ops
[13:11] <Darkside> eroomde: why?
[13:11] <Darkside> vk5gr: sure
[13:20] <vk5gr> nite all!
[13:20] <Darkside> gnite
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[14:13] <SolarNRG> OMG SPACEX DRAGON ABORTED
[14:13] <SolarNRG> "Fuuuuu... nope, I don't feel like going into space today"
[14:16] <eroomde> welcome
[14:24] <Upu> anyone know how to use avrdude to read the device signature ?
[14:24] <Upu> oh ignore me
[14:25] <Upu> its in the error output
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[14:31] <daveake> Well I got my 817 in the end. City Link failed to deliver due to RadioWorld getting the postcode wrong, so I ended up going to the depot to collect.
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[14:43] <fsphil> citylink. more sh than c
[14:43] <fsphil> although not their fault that time
[14:43] <fsphil> got it going yet? :)
[14:44] <daveake> yup
[14:45] <daveake> So I can take it along tomorrow :)
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[14:55] <fsphil> ah yes, I better get setup
[14:55] <fsphil> gonna try the yagi on the telescopic pole
[14:58] <number10> make sure you tune it in to 434.648 tomorrow daveake ;)
[15:00] <daveake> Suuuuure thing :p
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[16:23] <SolarNRG> GEAR MADNESS: http://i.imgur.com/OC5Hi.jpg
[16:47] <Laurenceb> you cast those?
[16:52] <SolarNRG> YES SIR
[16:54] <Upu> your caps lock seems to be stuck on
[16:55] <NigeyMoby> LOLS
[17:03] <SolarNRG> Sorry
[17:09] <SolarNRG> I think any von neumann probe would require a lightweight, portable, mass production device on board
[17:09] <SolarNRG> I think this is the answer
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[17:11] <SolarNRG> Openscad-->3dprinter-->Make Mold--> Pour mold and boing out every 3-4 hours-->add wax copes drags-->plaster up-->meltwaxout recycle-->heat up-->pour in metal->>regulate heatloss of cast to optimize tempering
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[17:46] <eroomde> SolarNRG: that is very nice casting work
[17:47] <eroomde> i may question your approach to rocket design but i will not deny those ver nice results
[17:47] <SpeedEvil> Are those just wax blanks?
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[17:54] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] Possible launches19th or 20th May"
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[18:12] <SolarNRG> eroomde
[18:12] <SolarNRG> Thank you
[18:13] <SolarNRG> People were laughing at me but now I've done it
[18:13] <SolarNRG> I want to do the same thing with rocket engines that WORK
[18:13] <SolarNRG> I don't want to mass produce one that blows up after 2 mins
[18:13] <SolarNRG> A GOOD OPEN SOURCE DESIGN
[18:13] <SolarNRG> 3d print it
[18:13] <SolarNRG> Send it to me
[18:13] <SolarNRG> I will mold it
[18:13] <SolarNRG> I will then give you some
[18:14] <SolarNRG> I work on production, not slow things.
[18:14] <SolarNRG> But how can I get NICE TEMPLATE to NICE REUSABLE MOLD is my business
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[18:26] <Lunar_Lander> hello people
[18:26] <fsphil> yo person
[18:27] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:27] <Lunar_Lander> who saw the Falcon 9 launch attempt?
[18:27] Action: fsphil was in bed
[18:27] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:27] Action: zyp forgot about it
[18:28] <Lunar_Lander> it was hilarious
[18:28] <Lunar_Lander> two, one, zero and we have liiiii..ffftttoff
[18:28] <Lunar_Lander> no we didn't have a liftoff
[18:28] <Lunar_Lander> we got an abort here
[18:28] <nosebleedkt> yo
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> hi nosebleedkt !
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> my Geiger counter works :)
[18:29] <zyp> I'm kind of annoyed by media portraying it as a fiasco
[18:29] <nosebleedkt> oooooooh
[18:29] <nosebleedkt> whic geiger dude?
[18:29] <nosebleedkt> which*
[18:29] <zyp> when the cause for the abort was a failsafe that went off like it should
[18:30] <Lunar_Lander> nosebleedkt, I bought one of the mightyohm geiger kits
[18:30] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:30] <nosebleedkt> ohhh that one?
[18:30] <Lunar_Lander> still I think the performance isn't that good
[18:30] <Lunar_Lander> like 35 months delay already or so
[18:30] <Lunar_Lander> nosebleedkt, yeah
[18:30] <Lunar_Lander> assembly was easy
[18:30] <nosebleedkt> and what are the results Lunar_Lander?
[18:30] <Lunar_Lander> took about 1.5 h
[18:30] <Lunar_Lander> well, i didn't hook it up to the PC yet
[18:31] <nosebleedkt> can you post your experience in the fanpage of slaros on fb?
[18:31] <Lunar_Lander> but at campus the main building is a little more radioactive than in the physics building xD
[18:31] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:31] <Lunar_Lander> next week I first wanted to try the serial link to the PC then I can post it I think
[18:31] <nosebleedkt> and any pictures if you have
[18:31] <Lunar_Lander> if that is OK?
[18:31] <Lunar_Lander> yea, will try to get a camera
[18:32] <nosebleedkt> you are a german and dont have camera?
[18:32] <nosebleedkt> hahaha
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:32] <nosebleedkt> germans come here with 5 cameras at summer
[18:32] <nosebleedkt> hahah
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[18:34] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:34] <nosebleedkt> ok
[18:34] <Lunar_Lander> you got that too I think?
[18:34] <Lunar_Lander> or you planned to buy it
[18:34] <nosebleedkt> no i didnt buy it
[18:34] <nosebleedkt> yet
[18:35] Nick change: Elwell_ -> Elwell
[18:35] <SolarNRG> I did, wha a fuck up, pssssht, up a meter down a meter
[18:35] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:35] <Lunar_Lander> and Revision H works?
[18:35] <SolarNRG> no explosion tho
[18:35] <SolarNRG> withstood impact
[18:35] <SolarNRG> looks like spacex is attempting its "launch abort system" Aka VTOL section flyback
[18:36] <SolarNRG> I think Elon's thinking the first stage could be re-used
[18:36] <SolarNRG> I think NASA just doesn't want Spacex to succeed
[18:37] <nosebleedkt> Lunar_Lander, yes
[18:37] <SolarNRG> They're still pushing for phantom programs like Ares, constellation, SLS, Shuttle-C
[18:37] <nosebleedkt> Lunar_Lander: all systems are ready
[18:37] <nosebleedkt> Im finishing the whole project
[18:37] <fsphil> ooh launch soon nosebleedkt?
[18:37] <nosebleedkt> this week i get helium
[18:37] <fsphil> excellent!
[18:37] <nosebleedkt> fsphil if all good july will be the month:P
[18:37] <Lunar_Lander> YAY
[18:37] <Lunar_Lander> what balloon do you have again?
[18:37] <nosebleedkt> im sure the notam will be the problem
[18:37] <Lunar_Lander> Totex 1500?
[18:38] <nosebleedkt> no, chinatown 1600
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[18:38] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[18:38] <nosebleedkt> stupid notams
[18:38] <nosebleedkt> will delay me
[18:38] <fsphil> a familiar story
[18:39] <nosebleedkt> i talked with air traffic control
[18:39] <SolarNRG> What did you launch?
[18:39] <SolarNRG> got any snaps?
[18:40] <nosebleedkt> they told me i might need to ask AIR FORCE
[18:40] <nosebleedkt> because i include cameras
[18:41] <nosebleedkt> air force im 100% wont help me
[18:41] <nosebleedkt> 100% sure*
[18:41] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> I am afraid your country is disintegrating
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> :(
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[18:42] <nosebleedkt> but some old lady from air traffic control told me if i launch it outside my city, it wont be a problem if i dont ask anyone
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[18:42] <SolarNRG> You need to make the rocket plane launchable then they'll take it
[18:42] <SolarNRG> the air force
[18:43] <SolarNRG> experimental guided missile camera fins, satellite long range jet transition
[18:43] <nosebleedkt> my country has 10million people and the G8 guys are talking about us instead of talking about some serious things like wars
[18:43] <SolarNRG> SSTO will come from cruise missile development
[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> nosebleedkt, interesting
[18:43] <nosebleedkt> we are laughing here how old the planet talks about this little shit country's problem
[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:44] <nosebleedkt> old/all
[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> you were the cradle of civilization!
[18:44] <nosebleedkt> not us dude !
[18:44] <SolarNRG> I think the space community needs to work together, we need China on board
[18:44] <SolarNRG> They'll mass produce us seats to space
[18:44] <SolarNRG> trust
[18:44] <nosebleedkt> some generation 2000 yrs ago !
[18:44] <SolarNRG> They got people to THEIR station
[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:45] <SolarNRG> Why not invite 1 of their guys, one russian one american/european and then let them dock with the russian segment? I mean the Chinkies use the same docking system as soyuz so I know its compatible
[18:46] <nosebleedkt> SolarNRG: here i am the troll! dont take my job ! lol
[18:46] <SolarNRG> With the disappointment of Spacex, cancellation of Constellation, ending of the shuttle it's looking pretty bleak, only the air force have their spy satellite launchers left
[18:46] <zyp> why are you disappointed by spacex?
[18:46] <SolarNRG> Keeps getting put back
[18:46] <Lunar_Lander> they had a 35 month delay on COTS 1 and now again!
[18:47] <nosebleedkt> Lunar_Lander: so I expect geiger stuff on my page. I need those !
[18:47] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:47] <zyp> SolarNRG, why would you expect something else?
[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> what exactly do you want to have? photos and like a description on how difficult the soldering was?
[18:48] <zyp> if you believe everything should work perfectly on the first try, you're living in the wrong world.
[18:48] <nosebleedkt> Lunar_Lander: results
[18:48] <SolarNRG> When elon ran the whole shop those things were going up zoom zoom, now NASA and Obama have been speaking to him he's not really running much of it anymore, all it takes is one jealous NASA engineer to say "to hell with this corporate takeover shit, I got kids to feed" dink one of the fuel in pipes with a leak and the whole thing goes kaboom
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> nosebleedkt, well yea
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> I only have ground results up to now of course
[18:50] <nosebleedkt> what do u mean ground results?
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> yea in the lab
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> the counter won't fly like for the near future
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> i.e. flight 2
[18:51] <SolarNRG> Trust, you got to put Elon in charge of the whole of NASA he'll get the production going sweet
[18:51] <SolarNRG> Not have him as some advisor
[18:54] <nosebleedkt> larryone do u have any radioactivity in the lab?
[18:54] <nosebleedkt> Lunar_Lander
[18:54] <nosebleedkt> sorry larryone
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander> yea potassium chloride salt
[18:55] <nosebleedkt> lol!
[18:55] <nosebleedkt> what does that?
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[18:55] <nosebleedkt> emmits a/b rays?
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> Beta
[18:57] <nosebleedkt> and they dont penetrate your cells ?
[18:57] <SolarNRG> Have you got any 3d models of rocket engines?
[18:57] <nosebleedkt> or you wear some custom uniform?
[18:57] <Lunar_Lander> you mean if it is dangerous?
[18:57] <SolarNRG> THAT WORK
[18:57] <Lunar_Lander> ah, that salt isn't really dangerous
[18:57] <nosebleedkt> lol
[18:57] <Lunar_Lander> potassium-40 is also in bananas
[18:57] <Lunar_Lander> no danger there too
[18:57] <nosebleedkt> lol
[18:57] <nosebleedkt> and when beta rays are harmful ?
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> if it is like really concentrated
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> like on United Nuclear samples
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> or so
[18:58] <SolarNRG> Waa, I miss the shuttle
[18:58] <SolarNRG> :*(((
[18:58] <SolarNRG> I miss Buran too
[18:58] <nosebleedkt> so a couple of rays dont harm
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:59] <nosebleedkt> and what exactly the geiger counter counts?
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> SMB-20 tube is for beta and gamma rays
[19:00] <nosebleedkt> yes
[19:00] <nosebleedkt> but i mean something else
[19:00] <nosebleedkt> the tube senses the rays. right?
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[19:00] <nosebleedkt> what aspect of the rays it senses?
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:01] <nosebleedkt> the number of the rays? the energy of the rays ?
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> do you know the way it works?
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> the tube?
[19:01] <nosebleedkt> i can imagine
[19:01] <nosebleedkt> let me tell you
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[19:01] <nosebleedkt> rays hit some material in the tube
[19:01] <larryone> nosebleedkt, I have no radioactivity in the la whatsoever
[19:02] <larryone> s/la/lab
[19:02] <nosebleedkt> which causes some reaaction
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[19:02] <nosebleedkt> and that reaction
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> the outer wall is connected to minus and center wire connected to plus
[19:02] <nosebleedkt> is happening with voltage i huess
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> so there is a voltage
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:02] <nosebleedkt> ok
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> if a ray hits the tube it hits the inner wall and releases electrons
[19:02] <nosebleedkt> bok
[19:02] <nosebleedkt> ok
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> and if the voltage is high enough, those electrons are accelerated towards the wire and hit the gas atoms in the tube
[19:03] <Lunar_Lander> those release more electrons
[19:03] <nosebleedkt> ok
[19:03] <nosebleedkt> simple
[19:03] <Lunar_Lander> so there is a current avalance and then the voltage breaks down
[19:03] <Lunar_Lander> and that is a count
[19:03] <Lunar_Lander> and then there is a dead-time
[19:03] <nosebleedkt> hmm
[19:03] <Lunar_Lander> that is when the atoms are excited and stuff
[19:03] <Lunar_Lander> and that has to calm down so to speak
[19:03] <Lunar_Lander> then the tube is ready to record the next ray
[19:03] <nosebleedkt> yes
[19:04] <nosebleedkt> and my question comes now
[19:04] <nosebleedkt> its the strength of the ray that causes more released electrons?
[19:05] <SolarNRG> PHOTO ELECTRIC EFFECT
[19:05] <SolarNRG> This also applies to other em bands
[19:05] <nosebleedkt> stronger ray =--> stronger reading --> bigger number in arduino output?
[19:05] <SolarNRG> get your resistance right or say bye bye to your adc
[19:05] <daveake> So a RAY is stronger than a ray?
[19:06] <SolarNRG> i do ray research
[19:06] <SolarNRG> let me say this
[19:06] <nosebleedkt> SolarNRG: you f*** troll !
[19:06] <SolarNRG> some materials respond a helluvalot better at certain frequencies than other,
[19:06] <SolarNRG> no Ill prove it
[19:06] <nosebleedkt> you are bigger troll than me!
[19:07] <SolarNRG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuWEUnxG1SE
[19:07] <SolarNRG> I FILMED THIS
[19:07] <daveake> FFS no more CAPS please
[19:07] <nosebleedkt> a troll's voice
[19:08] <nosebleedkt> Lunar_Lander: did you fall asleep ?
[19:08] <SolarNRG> I think if those were deuterium inside those beads.. you could have a fusion reactor, keep feeding the beads
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[19:10] <Lunar_Lander_> sorry computer hang
[19:10] <Lunar_Lander_> hi nosebleedkt
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[19:12] <nosebleedkt> well
[19:12] <nosebleedkt> i asked
[19:12] <nosebleedkt> and my question comes now
[19:12] <nosebleedkt> its the strength of the ray that causes more released electrons?
[19:13] <nosebleedkt> stronger ray =--> stronger reading --> bigger number in arduino output?
[19:13] <SolarNRG> All jokes put aside now, what are your guys thoughts on thrust vecoring rocket engines that can open and close like the F-35's?
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander_> nosebleedkt, not really
[19:13] <nosebleedkt> so?
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander_> it only sees one ray
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander_> thing is
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander_> there is the characteristic curve of the tube
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander_> at low voltages it is an ionization chamber, then a proportional counter and at high voltage it is a geiger counter and that means that rays of a wide energy spectrum can trigger the tube
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[19:16] <SolarNRG> Plutonium power!
[19:16] <SolarNRG> Get you to Mars no problemo
[19:16] <SolarNRG> Now design that engine!
[19:18] <nosebleedkt> Lunar_Lander_
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander_> yes?
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[19:21] <Laurenceb_> ooh looks like raspberry pi have a camera
[19:21] <Laurenceb_> nice
[19:21] <daveake> Oh good ... that's what I'm after for mine
[19:21] <Laurenceb_> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/gertjamesnaush.jpg
[19:22] <Laurenceb_> and we get to see JamesH on n-prize fame
[19:22] <Laurenceb_> *of
[19:23] <Laurenceb_> and whos always getting trolled on any comment sections about Rpi
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander_> nosebleedkt, what exactly do you mean?
[19:24] <nosebleedkt> Lunar_Lander_ sorry
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander_> no problem
[19:24] <nosebleedkt> what does exactly
[19:24] <nosebleedkt> the number in arduino serial
[19:24] <nosebleedkt> says about ?
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander_> it outputs counts per seconds, counts per minute
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander_> that is just the number of rays of any energy hitting the tube
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander_> and the energy must be greater than the threshold given by the tube wall
[19:25] <nosebleedkt> ahh
[19:25] <nosebleedkt> yes
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[19:25] <nosebleedkt> clear answer
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander_> thanks
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander_> :)
[19:25] <nosebleedkt> yeah
[19:25] <nosebleedkt> good knowledge tranfer occured :)
[19:26] <nosebleedkt> so you cant tell if the source of radioactivity is big or small
[19:26] <nosebleedkt> because you cant count the strength
[19:28] <nosebleedkt> what are possible sources of beta and gamma rays in stratosphere?
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander_> cosmic rays
[19:29] <nosebleedkt> except cosmic
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander_> remains from Fukushima maybe
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander_> remains from Chernobyl and the high altitude nuclear tests
[19:30] <nosebleedkt> lol
[19:30] <nosebleedkt> trololol
[19:30] <nosebleedkt> chernobyl is old
[19:30] <nosebleedkt> can rays still come out of there?
[19:31] <nosebleedkt> any other sources?
[19:31] <SolarNRG> Water
[19:31] <SolarNRG> sea water
[19:31] <gonzo_> take a trip to cornwall!
[19:31] <SolarNRG> nah, norway
[19:32] <SolarNRG> all gets washed up there from the gulf stream
[19:32] <SolarNRG> We're getting the oil next sson
[19:32] <SolarNRG> plenty of fuel still in the water
[19:32] <gonzo_> cornwall it comes out of the rocks
[19:32] <SolarNRG> Just a case of processing teh seas
[19:32] <SolarNRG> Granites a good source
[19:32] <SolarNRG> There' like real kryptonite shit in this Congo mine
[19:33] <SolarNRG> This green glow in teh dark crystal
[19:33] <SolarNRG> its uranium 235 rich
[19:33] <SolarNRG> naturally occurring
[19:33] <gonzo_> think it was tin mines that used to often have uranium deposists
[19:33] <SolarNRG> Tantalum also
[19:33] <gonzo_> tim mining was thogught to be the devild work as it did nasty things toi the miners
[19:34] <SolarNRG> But the miners in the early days thought tantalum was junk, they couldn't melt it
[19:34] <SolarNRG> now tantalum is essential in the steel industry
[19:34] <gonzo_> and in those nice tant caps that die for a passtime
[19:35] <SolarNRG> Copper calcium titanate is the new future of capacitors
[19:35] <SolarNRG> i have worked with it
[19:37] <nosebleedkt> someone listens to metallica
[19:37] <nosebleedkt> and sings happy birthday to a girl
[19:37] <nosebleedkt> lol
[19:37] <nosebleedkt> too loud
[19:38] <Lunar_Lander_> nosebleedkt, XD yea SELLAFIELD
[19:38] <Lunar_Lander_> ROFL
[19:38] Action: Lunar_Lander_ hides
[19:39] <nosebleedkt> lol
[19:39] <nosebleedkt> god damn
[19:39] <nosebleedkt> i found some ex in fb
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander_> oh
[19:39] <nosebleedkt> we were together for 1 day
[19:39] <nosebleedkt> hahahha
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander_> XD
[19:39] <nosebleedkt> before 10yrs
[19:39] <nosebleedkt> lol
[19:39] <nosebleedkt> she grew up
[19:40] <nosebleedkt> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/254354_1995971896111_1147886015_31837467_4079767_n.jpg
[19:40] <nosebleedkt> on the lft
[19:40] <nosebleedkt> left
[19:40] <nosebleedkt> couldnt she be like that before 10yrs
[19:40] <nosebleedkt> lol
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[19:55] <chris_99> have you guys seen this http://www.minizepp.com/
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[20:07] <mclane> Hello, I would like to have my balloon tracked in spacenear.us. Flught Document is prepared. To whom do I have to send it?
[20:07] <Randomskk> please put it on pastebin.com or similar
[20:07] <Randomskk> and then put the link in here
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[20:11] <mclane> Hello the flight document is here: http://pastebin.com/zGTLak5c
[20:11] <Randomskk> great. sorry, what date and time is launch?
[20:11] <mclane> not fixed yet; planned for July
[20:11] <Randomskk> ok
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander_> I recommend paste.ubuntu.com
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[20:12] <Lunar_Lander_> not so much advertisement
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[20:12] <Randomskk> mclane: I have created the document for you
[20:12] <mclane> perfect, thanks!
[20:13] <Randomskk> no problem
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander_> Randomskk, is it difficult to create the document?
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander_> i.e. what do you have to do on your side
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[20:13] <Randomskk> check it over and paste it into the database
[20:15] <daveake> Randomskk Tomorrows Elsworth flights will be at 1pm or so (we delayed to avoid some heavy clouds)
[20:15] <Upu> suits me can go shopping in the morning :)
[20:15] <daveake> :)
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander_> hey Upu and daveake
[20:16] <daveake> oh dear
[20:16] <daveake> :)
[20:16] <Upu> evening
[20:16] <Randomskk> daveake: okay, updated
[20:16] <daveake> Thanks :)
[20:17] <daveake> XABEN should be flying tomorrow too, but I don't know which payload doc (XABEN or XABEN1) that will be
[20:17] <Randomskk> okay
[20:18] <G0DJA> 1pm might be better for me as well as take grand daughter home 1st thing
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[20:21] <Lunar_Lander_> jcoxon, !
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander_> jcoxon, one question please
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander_> can I drink milk and cola? the paper of the pills only says "no interference with food is known. Intake during meals for optimum distribution"
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander_> and nothing else
[20:22] <jcoxon> it'll be fine
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander_> thanks
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander_> as my mother says "you shouldn't drink milk"
[20:23] Action: daveake hums "They got him on milk and ... al-co-hol"
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander_> XD
[20:26] <number10> best I stat preparing paload at 9am to be ready for 1pm
[20:26] <number10> start
[20:26] <daveake> :)
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[20:29] <Lunar_Lander_> we watched "My Fair Lady" as a musical in school once
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander_> and the one old guy was like
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander_> "there is so much liquor and sweet milk in london"
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander_> or so
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[20:38] <Lunar_Lander_> is that sentence true?
[20:41] <Upu> Lunar you could probably pick anything and say there is alot of it in London
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander_> there are so many buses and phone boxes in London
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[21:05] <Lunar_Lander_> there are so many balloons and so much helium in london
[21:08] <Laurenceb_> i think you mean bubbles
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander_> bubbles?
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander_> like that Bubble Tea from Taiwan
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander_> ?
[21:09] <Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/18/fi_glover_bicycle_miracle/
[21:09] <Laurenceb_> like that
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander_> Auntie is the BBC?
[21:09] <Laurenceb_> yes
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander_> and is the paper for real or satire?
[21:11] <Laurenceb_> its kind of a mix of both
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander_> and the thing at the bottom?
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander_> with does britain need a spaceport
[21:14] <Laurenceb_> i think thats serious
[21:14] <Laurenceb_> and its true as well
[21:14] <Laurenceb_> UK is a stupid place for a spaceport
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> Bermuda is still a crown dependancy.
[21:15] <SpeedEvil> err - british overseas territory
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[21:17] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[21:17] <Laurenceb_> http://compare.ebay.co.uk/like/180774555717?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&adtype=pla
[21:17] <Laurenceb_> lol bargain
[21:17] <Laurenceb_> or not :P
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander_> btw, Chelsea vs. munich now has that penalty shootout
[21:21] <SpeedEvil> WTFBBQ
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander_> ?
[21:21] Action: SpeedEvil wishes he could have done somethign with the imager on his watch-list.
[21:22] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300709190695?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
[21:22] <SpeedEvil> 4 megapixel 200fps imager
[21:22] <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately, 'challenging' to use.
[21:23] <BrainDamage> 1 GByte/s, fun
[21:24] <BrainDamage> ssumng full res read, and no overhead
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[21:24] <SpeedEvil> Pretty much requires a biggish FPGA.
[21:24] <SpeedEvil> You can't use it at all without reading 16 parallel outs of 10 bits.
[21:25] <SpeedEvil> (well - you can use vertical stripes)
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander_> damn
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander_> seems like munich wins that thing
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander_> yay chelsea did one
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander_> 4:3 for munich
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander_> ENGLAND!
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander_> YEAH
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander_> MAN
[21:31] <daveake> dammit
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander_> ?
[21:32] <daveake> Chelsea win means they go through to next year's champion's league, meaning only the top 3 English league teams go through instead of the top 4. My team is #4.
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander_> oh
[21:35] <daveake> Anyway, nn, need sleep before tomorrow
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[22:01] <mlow> man i woke up late
[22:02] <mlow> what happened with nigels balloon?
[22:04] <mlow> i only see track to 67k ft and then nothing :(
[22:05] <Upu> not sure
[22:06] <Upu> thats just an import from the APRS system
[22:08] <mlow> well it shows good up to 64k ft
[22:08] <mlow> then it shows he had 0 sats locked
[22:08] <mlow> :\
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander_> oh hi Upu again
[22:09] <Upu> evening Lunar_Lander
[22:09] <Upu> sorry was afk earlier
[22:09] <mlow> can only hope he somehow got the data he needed to find it
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander_> no problem
[22:18] <mlow> makes me want to test the crap out of my tacker, in a freezer, blowing a hair dryer on it
[22:18] <mlow> etc
[22:18] <mlow> both?
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[22:20] <vk5gr> ping Darkside
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[22:42] <Darkside> vk5gr: yo
[22:42] <vk5gr> mama
[22:42] <Darkside> gabba gabba
[22:42] <vk5gr> boo
[22:43] <vk5gr> guesing you are still going today
[22:43] <vk5gr> do you have a time yet?
[22:43] <Darkside> yup
[22:43] <Darkside> uhm
[22:44] <Darkside> i think terry said he was going to leave his place about 9am
[22:45] <vk5gr> CUSF still says your going to either billat to the border - http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=d7367dff7e37d885ab7b8acf780de9957f0eaa6c depends on how high and decent rate
[22:45] <Darkside> we might have a seat again
[22:45] <Darkside> not 100% tho
[22:46] <vk5gr> Mildura for next week is shapping up nice though - that one is now headed north out of town into an area between the lakes
[22:46] <Darkside> cool
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[22:47] <Lunar_Lander_> is Upu still on?
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[22:49] <vk5gr> just smsed terry - looks like your riding with me to launch :-)
[22:49] <Darkside> hah ok
[22:50] <vk5gr> thats good - launching from bungle rngs so might need a hand naving there - only been once before so far
[22:50] <Darkside> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FK7NVH-11&timerange=3600
[22:50] <Darkside> ouuuuch
[22:50] <Darkside> they used the wrong gps
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[22:54] <vk5gr> will leave here around 9am - gives us time for a bakery stop
[22:55] <Randomskk> :D the best kind of stop
[22:55] <vk5gr> absolutely:
[22:55] <Darkside> vk5gr: ok
[22:55] <Darkside> i'm just setting up the tracker, then i'll finish getting ready
[22:59] <Laurenceb_> what happened?
[22:59] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: with wht launch?
[23:00] <Laurenceb_> the thing on aprs
[23:00] <Darkside> well the lst packet has 0 sats
[23:00] <Darkside> so it looks like it lost lock at the ltitude cap
[23:00] <Darkside> altitude*
[23:01] <Laurenceb_> ah
[23:01] Action: Laurenceb_ cant work out what the time zone is
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[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> sorry back agian
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> again
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, still here?
[23:04] <fsphil> the launch still on time?
[23:05] <fsphil> he's likely away
[23:05] <fsphil> it's getting late
[23:05] <fsphil> some idiot just burnt down a small work unit a few houses away from here
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[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> OHHH
[23:06] <mlow> damn
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[23:06] <mlow> nigel probably got a bunk gps
[23:06] <fsphil> the house is now stinks a bit of smoke
[23:06] <fsphil> -is
[23:07] <mlow> whats the cocom limit?
[23:07] <SpeedEvil> 60000 feet AND 1000 knots
[23:07] <mlow> yeah but some gps just do OR
[23:07] <SpeedEvil> If you exceed that, you're not allowed to output positions.
[23:07] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[23:08] <mlow> looks like he got one like that
[23:08] <mlow> does it not output positions when it goes back down?
[23:08] <SpeedEvil> Some do
[23:08] <mlow> cause THAT would be bull
[23:08] <SpeedEvil> Some don't
[23:08] <mlow> bad luck all round then, :(
[23:08] <mlow> makes me want to take a note
[23:09] <mlow> impliment something where i restart the gps unit after 5 minutes of not getting a lock
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[23:54] <mlow> still in the perpetual planning phase of my project, thinking of sensors to add, etc
[23:56] <fsphil> temperature sensor is always fun, even if not terribly useful :)
[23:58] <Lunar_Lander> why?
[23:58] <Hibby> msp430s have one inbuilt, it seems
[23:59] Action: Hibby is back abusing msps again, lol.
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