highaltitude.log.20120515

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[03:10] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: Getting some noms before we head to the launch site. #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/202234346109804544]
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[03:38] <Michael_VK5ZEA> Is there anyone in here?
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[03:51] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: http://t.co/FcbuOnuW Almost ready. #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/202244680002453504]
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[04:09] <vk5gr> Horus 24 is away?
[04:09] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: http://t.co/z9UuK8yh Launch! #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/202249391229255681]
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[04:13] <Darkside> yes
[04:13] <Darkside> launched
[04:13] <Darkside> about to head off
[04:13] <vk5gr> what height you aiming to cut down at?
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[04:15] <Darkside> 15m
[04:18] <RobotCaleb> How does one get a balloon tracked on spacenear.us?
[04:19] <shenki> that's pretty low ;)
[04:19] <vk5gr> i was just thinking that shenki - guessing he meant 15km
[04:20] <shenki> vk5gr: :)
[04:20] <Darkside> busy
[04:20] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[04:20] <shenki> NO CARRIER
[04:21] <Darkside> ATH0++++
[04:21] <Darkside> having gfs problems here
[04:23] <vk5gr> wind data?
[04:24] <vk5gr> OSIRIS now on spacenear as well
[04:24] <Darkside> yes
[04:24] <Darkside> im decoding it on my laptop
[04:24] <Darkside> basically we have no predictions in teh car yet
[04:24] <Darkside> windgrabber not working
[04:24] <Darkside> leeching gfs files from spacenearus atm
[04:24] <vk5gr> hmmm something we had better fix before burra/mildura
[04:25] <Darkside> nah its a noaa problem
[04:25] <Darkside> not us
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[04:29] <vk5gr> Darkside does juxta know what time they were thinking we would be launching in Mildura on the Sunday? need that to prepare the proper exploitation
[04:31] <Darkside> dunno
[04:33] <Darkside> haha
[04:33] <Darkside> i can ping it now
[04:33] <Darkside> thsi is great
[04:33] <Darkside> i can ping it with 1W
[04:38] <shenki> loving the precision on your battery voltage reading
[04:38] <shenki> Battery: 4.5120000000000005 V
[04:39] <Darkside> not my fault
[04:40] <Darkside> hmm
[04:40] <Darkside> thats a bit low
[04:41] <shenki> dropping steadily
[04:42] <Darkside> yeah
[04:42] <Darkside> if it starts to get too low we'll cut it down
[04:42] <Darkside> the cutdown batteries are separate
[04:43] <Darkside> but yeah, we forgot to replace the cutdown batteries before launch
[04:44] <Darkside> so yeah, if it gets too low we drop it
[04:45] <shenki> hehe oops
[04:45] <Darkside> yep
[04:45] <Darkside> i dunno if the reading is accurate
[04:45] <Michael_VK5ZEA> I'm getting a few decodes... it's quite noisy in Port Lincoln
[04:46] <shenki> hello Michael_VK5ZEA
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[04:46] <shenki> I grew up in Lincoln :)
[04:46] <Michael_VK5ZEA> It's not a bad place to live
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[04:50] <Darkside> hehe
[04:50] <Darkside> well its going well
[04:50] <Darkside> i can still ping it
[04:53] <vk5gr> so far so good
[04:53] <shenki> Darkside: when will the regulator drop out?
[04:53] <Darkside> well from about 4v it'll get the diode drop
[04:54] <shenki> ok
[04:55] <vk5fmlb> still decoding the telemetry here
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[05:08] <vk5gr> it's hit the jet stream - when you going to drop? itl overshoot if yuou dont do it soon? :-)
[05:08] <Darkside> ok
[05:08] <Darkside> we're going to drop soon
[05:08] <Darkside> you can't see what we can see
[05:08] <Darkside> hmm
[05:08] <vk5gr> which is?
[05:08] <Darkside> powerlines
[05:08] <Darkside> >_>
[05:08] <Darkside> we have the inc ar predictions
[05:09] <Darkside> which are better than spacenearus
[05:09] <vk5gr> oh yeah - the main interconnect goes through there
[05:09] <Darkside> yeeeeeeeeeah
[05:09] <Darkside> thanks grant
[05:09] <vk5gr> dont drop near tunkillo sub
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[05:11] <Darkside> CUTDOWN
[05:11] <Darkside> WE HAVE CUTDOWN
[05:11] <Darkside> MOTHERFUCKERS
[05:11] <Darkside> YESSSSS
[05:11] <Darkside> sorry
[05:11] <Darkside> little bit of excitement in here
[05:11] <vk5gr> yeah - excitement indeed
[05:12] <Darkside> oh derp
[05:12] <Darkside> parachites working very well
[05:12] <Darkside> lol
[05:12] <vk5gr> how big a chute did you use?
[05:12] <Darkside> the 'small' chute
[05:13] <Darkside> but there isnt much payload
[05:13] <vk5gr> the trick now is to not land in the river
[05:13] <Darkside> yeah
[05:13] <Darkside> we're watching the landing site move towards the manum waterfalls
[05:13] <Darkside> its pulliung back towards us
[05:15] <Darkside> scratch that
[05:15] <Darkside> whee
[05:15] <Darkside> this is going to be fun
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[05:30] <vk5gr> looks like it is going to land on top of you
[05:30] <vk5fmlb> Which side of the river though ?
[05:30] <shenki> the wrong side
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[05:30] <shenki> always the wrong side :)
[05:30] <vk5fmlb> ha ha
[05:32] <vk5fmlb> I'm still decoding it, but the signal is starting to drop out a bit here
[05:33] <Darkside> we're waiting
[05:33] <Darkside> its going down sloooow
[05:34] <shenki> Darkside: lots of interest here at work :)
[05:34] <Darkside> tell them my cutdown worksed
[05:34] <Darkside> worked
[05:34] <Darkside> next time we'll use fresh batteries though :-)
[05:34] <shenki> i did :)
[05:34] <shenki> hehe
[05:34] <Darkside> check out the cutdowns message
[05:35] <shenki> i noticed :)
[05:35] <Darkside> :D
[05:35] <shenki> can you elaborate on why you didn't fly the unut v2?
[05:35] <vk5gr> cute!
[05:36] <Darkside> shenki: voltage rail ripple
[05:36] <Darkside> need more capacitance on the input
[05:36] <shenki> okay
[05:36] <Darkside> it was causing the output frequency to fluctuate
[05:36] <shenki> you'll fix the boards you have?
[05:37] <Darkside> yes
[05:37] <Darkside> just replace the input cap
[05:37] <Darkside> no probs at all
[05:38] <shenki> cool
[05:38] <shenki> it's heading north!
[05:42] <Darkside> yes
[05:42] <Darkside> that it is
[05:42] <Darkside> we are moving
[05:42] <vk5gr> can you swim?
[05:42] <Darkside> i'm more concerned about the substation
[05:43] <Darkside> oh wait
[05:43] <Darkside> vk5gr: maybe inform sharon that any 275kv trips in this area can be rre-closed :-)
[05:44] <vk5gr> in that area i think it is the pumping stattion line
[05:44] <vk5gr> 132kv
[05:45] <Darkside> awesome
[05:46] <vk5gr> where's the powerline
[05:46] <vk5gr> cant see it on googgle
[05:46] <Darkside> i think we're good
[05:46] <Darkside> now its it landing in the swamp or not
[05:46] <Darkside> reedy creek
[05:47] <vk5gr> flyin down the river :-)
[05:48] <vk5fmlb> anyone bring a canoe with them
[05:49] <Darkside> pff
[05:49] <vk5gr> naw its not going to get wet now
[05:49] <shenki> heh, spacenearus is confused
[05:49] <shenki> it keeps thinking the balloon has landed
[05:50] <SamSilver> got it visual yet shenki Darkside ?
[05:51] <shenki> SamSilver: i'm not in the car today, so the answer would be no :)
[05:51] Action: shenki is at work
[05:51] <SamSilver> i HIT TAB
[05:51] <shenki> they wouldn't have a visual until it's below 500m
[05:51] <SamSilver> i hit tab then i hit caps lock
[05:51] <shenki> :)
[05:51] <SamSilver> time for third coffee
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[05:58] <Darkside> VISUAL
[05:58] <vk5gr> excellent!
[05:58] <vk5gr> and it should keep it's feet dry too
[05:59] <Darkside> got pics of it flying
[05:59] <Darkside> its still in air
[06:01] <vk5gr> top stuff
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[06:02] <SamSilver> catch it!!
[06:02] <vk5fmlb> Looks like you're in a perfect spot to get it coming down
[06:02] <SamSilver> deploy in the field
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[06:03] <jcoxon> morning
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[06:05] <shenki> good work vk5acy, getting those last few sentences
[06:05] <vk5fmlb> Hmm come down already
[06:05] <SamSilver> Horus has landed
[06:05] <SamSilver> morning James
[06:06] <jcoxon> hey
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[06:06] <jcoxon> did the uplink work?
[06:06] <SamSilver> afaik yes
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[06:07] <shenki> jcoxon: yep, cutdown was successful
[06:07] <SamSilver> there was ping ing going on and cutdown comand
[06:07] <jcoxon> excellent
[06:07] <jcoxon> shenki, what power was the uplink?
[06:07] <shenki> despite forgetting to put fully charged batteries in the cutdown flight computer :)
[06:07] <shenki> jcoxon: 1W Darkside said
[06:12] <Darkside> i used 15w to cutdown it
[06:13] <Darkside> but i was hitting it with 500mw
[06:13] <Darkside> we're just getting into the property
[06:13] <SamSilver> i would like to pre order 2 please
[06:14] <Darkside> speaking to property owners
[06:14] <Darkside> haha SamSilver
[06:14] <Darkside> you need a USB transmitter to uplink to it
[06:14] <Darkside> not that its too hard to get one
[06:15] <jcoxon> what makes me happy is that picos could do uplinks...
[06:15] <Darkside> yup
[06:15] <Darkside> with teh RFM22B
[06:15] <Darkside> and i've already proved that it works with a normal USB transmitter
[06:15] <Darkside> and you guys can use a lot more power on the ground
[06:15] <jcoxon> the question is can we do it via a soundcard (not pre-recorded)
[06:16] <Darkside> dunno
[06:16] <jcoxon> cause that would be awesome
[06:16] <Darkside> maybe
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[06:19] <Darkside> got it
[06:20] <SamSilver> congrats
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[06:40] <Darkside> and we're heading back
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[06:58] <Darkside> http://pipe2.darklomax.org/horus24/
[06:58] <Darkside> shenki:
[07:02] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: Horus 24 all recovered successfully! #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/202292835402268672]
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[07:42] <fsphil> nice flight horus team
[07:44] <fsphil> this just looks really bizarre: http://pipe2.darklomax.org/horus24/DSC_5677.JPG
[07:48] <MrScienceMan> looks like some minimalistic abstract piece of art
[07:50] <jcoxon> i'm so jealous of their weather
[07:51] <daveake> i'm so yealous of their land mass
[07:51] <daveake> j
[07:51] <fsphil> yea, that's their autumn
[07:52] <fsphil> we seem to have gone from spring to winter already
[07:57] <russss> nope this is still spring
[07:57] <russss> :/
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[08:03] <Darkside> haha
[08:03] <Darkside> its winter here too
[08:03] <Darkside> well
[08:04] <UpuMobile> morning congrats on the cut down test Darkside
[08:05] <Darkside> thanks
[08:05] <Darkside> it worked well
[08:07] <fsphil> indeed. not much excitement at all
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[08:07] <Darkside> jcoxon: its pretty much winter here
[08:07] <Darkside> :-)
[08:09] <fsphil> try launching in snow sometime :)
[08:10] <fsphil> I'm never doing that again
[08:10] <Darkside> haha
[08:19] <jcoxon> yeah the regulator froze when i launched in deep winter
[08:19] <jcoxon> also couldn't tie the knots
[08:24] <fsphil> I couldn't type
[08:25] <fsphil> well, less than I usually can
[08:34] <gonzo_> the loading from snow could be significant.
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[08:34] <gonzo_> I have to keep a close eye on my sat dish, as that is parked pointing up and has a foar collecting surface
[08:35] <fsphil> well not during snow, but with snow on the ground
[08:35] <gonzo_> you get a satisfying wumph when uyou tip it out
[08:35] <fsphil> lol
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[09:20] <eroomde> jcoxon: do you remember that feb ears launch from a few years ago?
[09:20] <eroomde> where we had to take ~20s shifts doing anything on the payload
[09:20] <eroomde> as fingers became useless within about 30s
[09:22] <Darkside> hehe
[09:22] <Darkside> i had a thought about an upcoming launch
[09:22] <Darkside> where theres going to be a competition involving it - first to the payload wins a radio
[09:23] <jcoxon> eroomde, oh yes, in grained on my memory
[09:23] <Darkside> i'm thinking of limiting the accuracy of the latitude and longitude, but including the accurate positions a base64 encoded data at the end of the sentence
[09:23] <gonzo_> (for winter launches, we need to start looking at hot air balloons)
[09:25] <jcoxon> Darkside, hehe
[09:27] <Darkside> they win a Yaesu FT-1900R
[09:27] <eroomde> Darkside: just transmit 'it's in australia' as the telem string
[09:27] <Darkside> pff
[09:27] <Darkside> thats a little bit too coarse :P
[09:29] <fsphil> or just the four digit locator
[09:29] <fsphil> that's mighty vague
[09:30] <Darkside> heh
[09:30] <Darkside> i want to give them the locatio to within a few km
[09:30] <Darkside> they can DF from there
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[09:30] <DanielRichman> are you thinking that they won't know how to decode the b64 bit?
[09:31] <Darkside> they won't have the software to do it on the fly, thats for sure
[09:31] <Darkside> and we can encrypt it if we need to
[09:31] <Darkside> i think i'll just base64 encrypt the 8 bytes of float, XORed with some key
[09:31] <fsphil> how many people do you think you can get chasing it?
[09:31] <Darkside> there'll be a few teams
[09:31] <DanielRichman> you should have the key + the message id derive something pseudorandom, then xor it with that
[09:32] <Darkside> DanielRichman: maybe we just XOR it with the 2 bytes of the sequence number
[09:32] <DanielRichman> just like srand(key) then use rand() to xor
[09:32] <DanielRichman> idk
[09:32] <Darkside> it doesnt have to be too hard
[09:32] <Darkside> hell, if they work it out on the fly then good for them
[09:32] <fsphil> they deserve the radio :)
[09:32] <DanielRichman> if they don't have internet/dont' mind it, habitat will happily undo your b64ing and xoring
[09:32] <Darkside> hehe
[09:33] <DanielRichman> s/dont'/you don't/
[09:33] <Darkside> nope, they'll have net
[09:33] <DanielRichman> ah perhaps not then
[09:33] <Darkside> spacenearys will be showing the low precision data
[09:33] <Darkside> we'll have the full data in our cars
[09:33] <fsphil> spaceroughtlynear.us
[09:33] <Darkside> haha
[09:33] <fsphil> sounds like a fun idea
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[11:36] <griffonbot> Received email: Philip Heron "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Weather balloon"
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[13:05] <NigelMoby> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/14/softbank_blimps/
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[13:05] <NigelMoby> anyone else see a huge flaw in that idea?
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[13:19] <gonzo_> I can see lots
[13:20] <gonzo_> (But the "sited atop tower blocks" sounds a bit of an oversite!)
[13:23] <eroomde> sounds tricky
[13:23] <eroomde> i hope maybe they'll want to buy thousands of geo-fence cutdown devices
[13:24] <eroomde> which we happen to make...
[13:24] <Darkside> haha
[13:24] <NigelMoby> lol
[13:24] <SamSilver> I have two cutdowns on order with Darkside :p
[13:24] <Darkside> pff
[13:24] <NigelMoby> I was thinking that there maybe a lack of roads .....
[13:24] <Darkside> SamSilver: wait for the next version, this one has some bugs
[13:25] <SamSilver> thanx will do\
[13:25] <eroomde> our ones are automagic rather than remote
[13:25] <Darkside> i don't like automagic cutdowns
[13:25] <eroomde> for tethered blimp installations
[13:25] <Darkside> though i am considering adding a time limit to it
[13:25] <Darkside> so it cuts after, say, 3 hours of flight
[13:25] <Darkside> but gives you a good 20 min of warning, and lets you reset the timer
[13:26] <eroomde> by remote?
[13:26] <Darkside> yes
[13:26] <Darkside> i've already proved that the remote command stuff works well
[13:26] <Darkside> the trick is aligning the transmitter with the downlinked data
[13:26] <Darkside> as the packets are too short for the RFM22B's AFC to lock on
[13:27] <Darkside> not hard tho, just tune the radio so the downlinked RTTY sits over the 1500Hz marker, then transmit when it goes into listen mode
[13:27] <eroomde> we had a similar faff for our drop test vehicle
[13:27] <eroomde> aligning the telem for telecommand
[13:27] <Darkside> i'm kind of glad of the extra effors you have to go to, to send a command
[13:27] <Darkside> as it makes you trhink about what you're doing
[13:28] <Darkside> do you REALLY want to send that cutdown command
[13:28] <eroomde> was annoying for us
[13:28] <eroomde> i just want transparent duplex
[13:28] <Darkside> heh
[13:28] <Darkside> i like being able to use the big powerful transmitters
[13:28] <Darkside> though i was hitting the payload with <500mW
[13:29] <Darkside> i just set the radio to 20W to be sure for the cutdown
[13:29] <Darkside> what did it hear me at...
[13:29] <Darkside> ahh, it got me packet at -65dBm
[13:29] <Darkside> Rssi Floor: -90 dBm
[13:29] <Darkside> Last Message: Oh no... Not again...
[13:29] <Darkside> Rssi Last Message: -65 dBm
[13:30] <Zuph> Heh, we had one of those timer reset cutdowns :-p
[13:31] <Darkside> eroomde: now i want to see dl-fldigi's AFC work with my radio :-)
[13:31] <Darkside> and then write some code to generate the GMSK packets on the fly, instead of having to ue pre-recorded packets
[13:32] <eroomde> that would be cute
[13:33] <Darkside> i want to be able to use a missile switch dammit!
[13:33] <UpuMobile> haha
[13:33] <Darkside> or a big red button
[13:33] <eroomde> both
[13:34] <gonzo_> two keys and triangular tags
[13:34] <eroomde> missile switch to arm, and a yellow and black dtriped push button to send
[13:34] <Darkside> haha
[13:34] <Darkside> well i could almost do that now
[13:34] <Darkside> just have a little box that plays the packet
[13:34] <eroomde> maybe a key switch to arm which reveals the fire button out of a hatch in a cloud of dry ice
[13:34] <Darkside> would still need to tune the radio though
[13:34] <Darkside> hahaha
[13:36] <Darkside> ok sleep time for me i think
[13:39] <NigelMoby> Nn dude
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[13:56] <daveake> I've joined the FT-817 set :-)
[13:56] Action: daveake closes up wallet for a while
[13:56] <fsphil> know that feeling
[13:57] <daveake> Though the confirmation said ... "Your products will arrive at their destination in due course."
[13:57] <daveake> but I want it *now*
[13:57] <fsphil> you'll need a nice HF antenna now :)
[13:58] <daveake> HF? Wossat? :p
[13:58] <daveake> I supposed I should go do those license tests
[13:59] <daveake> -d
[13:59] <fsphil> heck yea. you'd pass blindfolded
[13:59] <daveake> Sounds like a plan
[13:59] <fsphil> I'm doing the advanced exam in july
[14:00] <fsphil> lots of maths. I'm not certain I'm gonna pass :)
[14:00] <daveake> I remember doing electronics O level ... 3 hour exam took me 30 minutes. Wasn't really designed for kis who'd played with electronics since 9 years old
[14:00] <daveake> kids
[14:00] <daveake> maths? Yeah I don't remember any of that
[14:00] <zyp> daveake, it's the same nowadays
[14:01] <zyp> I lazed about all through uni and graduated with great grades
[14:02] <daveake> I lazed about for 3 years too. Unfortunately they caught up with my level in some subjects at the end of the 2nd year :p
[14:03] <daveake> Also I spent much more time playing with software than I did on my course
[14:04] <daveake> Did pass (not with the flying colours bit) and have done software jobs ever since
[14:04] <fsphil> I probably should have spend more time on hardware than I did
[14:05] <daveake> MOst of my work has been on PC software, but even then there's almost always some hardware it's controlling or monitoring down the end of a piece of RS232 cable.
[14:06] <eroomde> ROCKETS
[14:06] <daveake> Current project is some PIC firmware. I like that kind of stuff as it does get me closer to the electronics, even though the coding is a PITA compared to PC stuff
[14:06] <eroomde> odd given my degree was signal processing and control
[14:07] <eroomde> but not bad hardware to do if it's got to be hardware
[14:07] <fsphil> I should probably do the whole degree thing-- maybe too late to bother though :)
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[14:08] <eroomde> i still find it tough to beat software for the sort of initial keanu reaves 'woah' moments
[14:08] <eroomde> like when you do naive fibonnaci then see how you can do a O(log n) fibonnacci
[14:09] <eroomde> or (we did this the other day in the office and felt like we'd seen god) take a fourier transform of a gaussian distribution
[14:10] <eroomde> when you do, you find that the smaller the varience in the time domain, the large the variance in the frequency domain and vice cersa
[14:10] <daveake> At 18, after 9 years being 100% convinced I was going to do electronics for the rest of my life, I discovered software. And how it was possible to think up an idea, code it then see results in hours, at no cost. That compared rather favourably to electronics where a design might take days, then weeks to save up the pocket money, then spend a few hours soldering, then see it emit that magic smoke.
[14:10] <eroomde> i.e. the more accurately you know something's temporal position, the less accurately you can know its frequency
[14:10] <eroomde> which is heisenberg
[14:10] <Zuph> Hardware can give you the same things. Like pumping a square wave into a band-pass filter.
[14:11] <eroomde> and we were all properly like this
[14:11] <eroomde> http://paulhorton.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/keanu-reeves-whoa.jpg
[14:11] <eroomde> it warranted a cuppa tea and a sitdown and me wondering why i didn't do theoretical physics instead
[14:12] <Zuph> heh
[14:13] <daveake> No doubt the brownian motion of the tea set off another experiment
[14:13] <eroomde> yeah your example is true
[14:13] <eroomde> but that's just a practical realisation of taking the fourier transform of something
[14:13] <eroomde> which is nearer to god
[14:16] <eroomde> young's double slit experiment too
[14:18] <Zuph> There's one I'd like to replicate at home.
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[14:20] <fsphil> I still can't get my head around that one
[14:20] <kokey> applications of fourier transforms is like wizardry to me, it performs magic that was thought generations before the application
[14:21] <kokey> it's like inventing catalytic convertors in the middle ages
[14:21] <kokey> I thought I was going to study electronics
[14:22] <kokey> but the internet made me end up in software and systems
[14:23] <fsphil> I just came here to launch balloons. Now I'm interested in doing lots of other things too because of you lot :p
[14:24] <eroomde> i was just interested in balloons too
[14:24] <eroomde> now all of a sudden i'm in the space industry
[14:24] <eroomde> without ever really actively deciding on it
[14:24] <eroomde> it just seemed to flow that way
[14:25] <kokey> yeah I think it happens that way
[14:26] <kokey> though I got pulled into directions I didn't really like too for a while
[14:27] <kokey> like I really got sucked into learning about the internet in the early 90s as a teen, but getting access was problematic
[14:29] <kokey> so I resorted to hacking and phreaking, which ended up in a career in IT security, which I wasn't actually that fond of it's too cloak and dagger and snake oil for my liking
[14:29] <kokey> fortunately I got out of it
[14:29] <eroomde> but you could still code in sewers with fingerless gloves and the distant sound of police dogs right?
[14:30] <Zuph> Lots of paranoia in computer security.
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[14:30] <nigelvh> Morning all
[14:30] <eroomde> for you maybe!
[14:30] <eroomde> for me the hour of home approacheth
[14:31] <fsphil> two hours here
[14:31] <fsphil> boo
[14:31] <nigelvh> Yeah, 7:30 am here.
[14:31] <fsphil> ah well, long weekend soon
[14:31] <nigelvh> In two weeks.
[14:31] <kokey> eroomde: haha
[14:32] <nigelvh> Though, our launch is this saturday.
[14:32] <fsphil> that's always fun
[14:32] <fsphil> I've not done a launch in months
[14:32] <nigelvh> It tends to be. Though this week is the software fiddle week, so I've been busy with that.
[14:33] <eroomde> you get a long weekend too nigelvh ?
[14:33] <nigelvh> In two weeks eroomde
[14:33] <eroomde> wyzat?
[14:33] <nigelvh> Memorial Day holiday
[14:33] <eroomde> ironic that it falls on the jubillee
[14:34] <nigelvh> Not knowing what your jubillee is, sure, it's ironic.
[14:34] <eroomde> queen's 60th since being coronated
[14:34] <nigelvh> Fancy
[14:35] <eroomde> on the same weekend as a remebrance day borne out of the civil war
[14:35] <nigelvh> Yes, there is some irony in there.
[14:36] <Zuph> Don't worry, though, it's the last day off most of us on this side will get until July.
[14:37] <nigelvh> Anyway, we'll probably launch about noon on saturday. which means dark:30 for you guys, but it *should* be on APRS under K7NVH-11
[14:38] <fsphil> I'll keep an eye out
[14:38] <nigelvh> Assuming the packet network actually picks up the transmissions.
[14:38] <fsphil> we shuld get jcoxon's aprs<>spacenear bridge going
[14:38] <nigelvh> Sounds good to me.
[14:39] <nigelvh> The system will be dumping out standard aprs positions with timestamps once every minute or two, then in between custom packets full of the telemetry data.
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[14:45] <Laurenceb> so, all the rocket talk yesterday got me thinking
[14:46] <Laurenceb> the problem with spin stabilised is the launch platform is still going to wobble all over the place on a balloon
[14:46] <Laurenceb> so previously i was thinking something overcomplex like a RCS on the launcher
[14:47] <Laurenceb> but then i though, cut the luncher off the balloon, then whilst its in freefall use the rocket and one reaction wheel as a control moment gyro
[14:47] <Laurenceb> to get it pointing correctly before firing
[14:47] <Laurenceb> almost easy to do
[14:48] <Laurenceb> just one more motor and something like a balanced alu disc as the gyro
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[14:56] <nigelvh> That sounds horribly scary.
[14:57] <nigelvh> Also, sorry for the delay there. My coworkers were wondering what the pile of copper and a styrofoam box hanging from my office ceiling is.
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[19:58] <griffonbot> @vk5gr: @amradvictoria #ProjectHorus Next Amateur Radio Balloon Repeater Launch Sunday May 27th from Mildura 147.5 FM DL 438.9 FM UL 123Hz CTCSS [http://twitter.com/vk5gr/status/202488078517022722]
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[21:29] <Lunar_Lander_> hello
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[22:06] <nigelvh> Howdy lunar, you're the first person to say anything in hours.
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander_> COOL
[22:07] <NigeyS> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeechooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander_> how comes the chat has been so silent the last days
[22:08] <nigelvh> Don't know
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander_> it isn't that good
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander_> but hello nigelvh and NigeyS
[22:09] <nigelvh> There were a few sentences about 7 hours ago, but it's been pretty well silent since then till now.
[22:09] <NigeyS> ello :)
[22:09] <nigelvh> A spaceman and two Nigels eh?
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[22:10] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander_> and the doctor coxon
[22:10] <nigelvh> I suppose he's ok.
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[22:10] <nigelvh> What ya'll been up to then Lunar?
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander_> I received my mightyohm geiger counter and assembled it yesterday and it works
[22:11] <nigelvh> WOOO
[22:11] <nigelvh> So how radioactive are you?
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander_> xD I got 15 counts per minute on the first test
[22:12] <jcoxon> good evening Lunar_Lander_
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander_> hello jcoxon
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander_> receiving antibiotics on my ear+throat infection now
[22:13] <nigelvh> WOOOO
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[22:20] <gonzo_> and a good slug of scotch to numb the pain
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander_> alcohol+antibiotics=not good
[22:22] <gonzo_> youd be so high that we;d be seeing you on spacenearus
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander_> also I finally got my audio wire and the pair of tweezers from dealextreme
[22:22] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander_, well thats not strictly true
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander_> which I ordered on february 14!
[22:22] <jcoxon> depends which abx
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[22:23] <jcoxon> but we usually say that any abx should avoid alcohol
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah
[22:23] <gonzo_> still waiting for my dab dongle from them, 2 months ?
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[22:31] <Lunar_Lander_> oh no now he left
[22:35] <gonzo_> it's the downdise of being a dr
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[22:36] <LazyLeopard> Aye, those long anti-social working hours...
[22:36] Action: fsphil looks at the clock
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander_> Sir Alexander Fleming ROCKS!
[22:42] <gonzo_> the grandad of thermionics
[22:44] <gonzo_> gn all
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander_> gn8
[22:48] <fsphil> nite!
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[22:51] Action: fsphil needz sleepz too
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
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