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[07:55] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave "Re: [UKHAS] Re: FUNCube dongle for tracking"
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[09:24] <jcoxon> Whitestar launch soon
[09:24] <jcoxon> Very exciting
[09:25] <jcoxon> Well quite soon
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[09:26] <Darkside> how soon?
[09:26] <jcoxon> Midnight on theirside
[09:27] <x-f> 0000 UTC
[09:27] <x-f> (ish)
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[09:30] <jcoxon> Oh yeah
[09:31] <jcoxon> Just re read the email
[09:33] <x-f> it is soon considering the months of waiting for this day :)
[09:34] <jcoxon> Years even
[09:35] <Darkside> hmm
[09:36] <Darkside> ok i need to change the horus habitat doc..
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[10:29] <Darkside> http://rfhead.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/DSC_5655.jpg i have more nuts
[10:30] <eroomde> nice work
[10:33] <SpeedEvil> :)
[10:33] <SpeedEvil> And wow.
[10:34] <SpeedEvil> Those GPSs are teeny
[10:34] <Darkside> you can see i fucked up the soldering of the middle ones gps
[10:34] <Darkside> i accidentally soldered it in misaligned, and had to hot-air it to desolder it
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[10:36] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[11:04] <griffonbot> Received email: Bob G8NSV "[UKHAS] Circular Polarisation"
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[11:13] <Laurenceb_> is there a launch today?
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[11:16] <griffonbot> Received email: Spike (Chris Foote) "Re: [UKHAS] Circular Polarisation"
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[11:22] <Laurenceb_> someone in morocco
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[12:18] <Darkside> oo
[12:18] <Darkside> gonzo__: ping
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[12:25] <gonzo__> mornin
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[12:42] <Darkside> gonzo__: you're involved with L-band stuff, right?
[12:44] <gonzo__> ywp, I play sat RX on L band and 23cm amateur band
[12:44] <gonzo__> yep
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[12:45] <Darkside> i think i'm pointed at inmarsat 4F1
[12:45] <Darkside> hearing something around 1557.5
[12:45] <Darkside> i think its BPSK data, i hear a pulses
[12:45] <Darkside> one-two-three-four
[12:45] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[12:45] <Darkside> one-two-three ... four
[12:46] <gonzo__> no way i can listen from here
[12:46] <gonzo__> there are some strange things on inmasrat
[12:46] <Darkside> i'm hearing the aero-I 600 baud stuff
[12:46] <Darkside> though weak
[12:47] <Darkside> i'm using a sarantel geohelix antenna, at the focal point of a 19dBi 2.4GHz dish
[12:47] <Darkside> so about 14dBi on 1.5GHz
[12:48] <gonzo__> they tend to be strong
[12:48] <gonzo__> you want to go and have a look at uhf-satcom.com
[12:49] <gonzo__> and the irc chan: #hearsat (StarChat)
[12:50] <Darkside> theres a few things on uhf-satcom.com
[12:50] <Darkside> i cans ee a fair bit of the stuff thats on inmarsat 4F1
[12:52] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Circular Polarisation"
[12:52] <Darkside> ok now im pointed at inmarsaty 3F3
[12:53] <gonzo__> I can't move my L/S dish at the mo. Rewired the trunking and not got arround to making the lead to the dish actuator ctrl
[12:55] <Darkside> hmm
[12:55] <Darkside> is gps visible in a spectrogram?
[12:55] <Darkside> because i see something around 1575.4
[12:56] <SpeedEvil> Especially if you point a big dish at it
[12:56] <r2x0t> there is EGNOS transmitted from Inmarsat
[12:56] <SpeedEvil> Is it a ~2MHz wide signal?
[12:56] <r2x0t> something like that
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[12:57] <Lunar_Lander_> hello
[12:57] <Lunar_Lander_> just a short visit because yesterday I was able to read an interesting paper on the ballooning method of Erich Regener, who like invented unmanned scientific ballooning in Germany
[12:57] <Lunar_Lander_> he used balloon trains of rubber balloons, 2, 3 or 4 balloons
[12:58] <Lunar_Lander_> the idea was that one would burst while the remaining balloons would descend with a safe velocity
[12:58] <Lunar_Lander_> also, he used 8, 10 and 12 kg balloons
[12:58] <Lunar_Lander_> which is amazing, imagine that
[12:58] <Lunar_Lander_> a 8000, 10000 or 12000 totex/hwoyee!
[12:58] <r2x0t> they use that for some WX sondes, smaller balloon instead of chute
[12:58] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[12:58] <gonzo__> I see lots of low level carriers about 1khz spacing from gps here
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[12:59] <Lunar_Lander_> and compare this
[12:59] <SpeedEvil> gonzo__: In principle, you will.
[12:59] <gonzo__> about 10db above noise, but can't be sure if the dish is pointing at the sats
[12:59] <Lunar_Lander_> he needed a train of the 12000 model balloons to reach 31 km
[12:59] <SpeedEvil> gonzo__: It should also doppler.
[12:59] <Lunar_Lander_> we need something like a 1500 balloon to easily surpass that
[12:59] <r2x0t> EGNOS from Inmarsat appears as many 50Bd BPSK carriers, no doppler
[12:59] <Lunar_Lander_> and his payloads weren't that heavy
[13:00] <SpeedEvil> hmm.
[13:00] Action: SpeedEvil wonders if you get 'beat signals' if you mix two GPS signals from two sats together.
[13:00] <gonzo__> you can see the low rate data what looks like psk in each of the carriers
[13:00] <SpeedEvil> - doppler
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[13:00] <Lunar_Lander_> also he enclosed his payloads in a cellophane "tent"
[13:01] <Lunar_Lander_> which had a positive temperature at all times, confirmed by thermograph measurements
[13:01] <gonzo__> hmmm, 2 carriers spread but with different timing, thing you'd get a spread result?
[13:01] <Lunar_Lander_> he writes that this heavily simplyfied battery handling
[13:01] <SpeedEvil> gonzo__: doppler
[13:01] <Lunar_Lander_> simplified
[13:01] <Lunar_Lander_> sorry
[13:01] <SpeedEvil> gonzo__: you may get some sort of beat between the carriers.
[13:02] <SpeedEvil> gonzo__: well - not carriers - resultant 1khz spurs
[13:02] <SpeedEvil> I'm not really sure if it's simple.
[13:02] <gonzo__> the timing will differ unless you can get them equidistant
[13:02] <SpeedEvil> The satellites all broadcast different PRN codes
[13:02] <SpeedEvil> psuedorandom
[13:02] <SpeedEvil> These repeat at 1KHzish
[13:02] <SpeedEvil> (1.023)
[13:03] <gonzo__> yep, I assumed that was the cause of the descrete spectra
[13:03] <Laurenceb_> or you could use stm32f4 gps :P
[13:03] <SpeedEvil> :)
[13:03] <Laurenceb_> which would involve me actually building it
[13:03] <Lunar_Lander_> oh r2x0t his balloons also carried a device he called the "brake", a piece of silk held on tension by a ring, that was used to slow the ascent to 200 m/min
[13:03] <gonzo__> ah, different prn, ok. Didn;t know that
[13:04] <Lunar_Lander_> and when the balloon train once failed completely, that thing acted as a parachute
[13:04] <SpeedEvil> Balloon train?
[13:04] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah, see above
[13:04] <Lunar_Lander_> two to four rubber balloons in a row
[13:04] <Lunar_Lander_> that was in the 1930's
[13:05] <Laurenceb_> http://mycopter.eu/
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> ah
[13:05] <Lunar_Lander_> and those were what we would call a 8000, 10000 or 12000 model balloon
[13:06] <Lunar_Lander_> so he sometimes had up to 48 kg of balloon envelopes alone in that train
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[13:06] <Darkside> gonzo__: do you know of any sources for info on thuraya downlink freqs?
[13:06] <Darkside> Thuraya-3
[13:06] <r2x0t> Darkside: easy to find, very strong signals
[13:07] <Darkside> but any info on what frequencies?
[13:07] <Darkside> so i know i'm pointed in teh right direction
[13:08] <r2x0t> remember it's using opposite polarization from inmarsat
[13:08] <Darkside> hmm that'll be a problem
[13:08] <Darkside> i'm using a gps helical antenna at the feedpoint of this dish
[13:08] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave Hibberd "Re: [UKHAS] Circular Polarisation"
[13:08] <Darkside> gps is.. RHCP
[13:09] <Darkside> so i'm receiving LHCP
[13:09] <r2x0t> http://www.r00t.cz//thuraya_.png
[13:09] <Darkside> whic is probably why signals from inmarsat are weak
[13:09] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/JCSEI.jpg
[13:09] <Darkside> my receive setup >_>
[13:09] <Laurenceb_> surely there is the small issue of decoding them?
[13:10] <gonzo__> SpeedEvil, thinking about it, you could probably mix the 1khz artifacts together to get a beat freq
[13:10] <Darkside> ok i think i see something
[13:10] <Darkside> it looks about 30KHz wide
[13:10] <r2x0t> and bursty
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[13:10] <gonzo__> Possibly with enough gain, just with a mixer diode on the LNA
[13:10] <Darkside> yep
[13:10] <Darkside> cool!
[13:11] <Darkside> theres also a spur right in the middle of it
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[13:11] <gonzo__> any updates of ASTRA-POP launch today?
[13:11] <r2x0t> gonzo__: no launch
[13:11] <Guest57314> cay i ask a question here about the spacenear tracker data?
[13:12] <r2x0t> "Due to the weather the flight has been postponed, and will probably happen in about 3 weeks after exams."
[13:13] <Guest57314> ?
[13:13] <MrScienceMan> just ask
[13:14] <r2x0t> Darkside: there are also some wider signals on Thurays, some look on normal spectrum like an interference
[13:15] <Guest57314> i am trying to get the latest position of a balloon in my linux bash script, anyone with help in the parsing of the tracker data?
[13:15] <gonzo__> ta r2x0t
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[13:17] <Lunar_Lander_> hello priyesh
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[13:21] <Darkside> r2x0t: ok
[13:21] <Darkside> fuck its cold out here
[13:21] <Darkside> but i can't point at this sat fro inside lol
[13:21] <Darkside> also need to make a better feedpoint antenna
[13:21] <Darkside> i dont think this sarantel is working too well
[13:22] <r2x0t> make decent helix, like 3-4 turns and use that for a feed
[13:23] <r2x0t> that's what I use with similar wire mesh antenna
[13:23] <Darkside> ok found another one
[13:23] <r2x0t> but not sure if it's really worth it for thuraya
[13:23] <Darkside> i need to get osmogmr running
[13:23] <r2x0t> you can't really decode anything except some status info at the moment
[13:23] <Darkside> i dont think many of the thuraya-3 beams are mapped out
[13:24] <r2x0t> I think all EU beams are
[13:24] <Darkside> yeah i figure i may as well add some info on the asian region
[13:24] <r2x0t> rest maybe not
[13:29] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/691Hx.jpg
[13:29] <r2x0t> looks like a correct signal, but too weak
[13:29] <Lunar_Lander_> what satellite is Thurays?
[13:30] <Darkside> r2x0t: yeah, i'm sure my antenna is crap
[13:30] <Darkside> its a weenie sarantel thing
[13:30] <Darkside> ill make a proper feedpoint
[13:30] <Darkside> or just make a proper helical antenna
[13:30] <r2x0t> proper helical is easy to make
[13:31] <Lunar_Lander_> what satellite is Thurays?
[13:31] <Lunar_Lander_> what does it do?
[13:31] <r2x0t> Lunar_Lander_: 45E... satellite phone comms
[13:31] <Darkside> any idea what the channel spacing is meant to be r2x0t ?
[13:31] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[13:31] <r2x0t> Darkside: yea... let me find it
[13:32] <r2x0t> 1525.000 + 0.031250*n n=0..1087
[13:32] <r2x0t> so 31.25KHz
[13:32] <Darkside> k
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[13:42] <Darkside> 11 beams
[13:42] <Darkside> now i need a better antenna
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[13:54] <Darkside> r2x0t: http://i.imgur.com/Wpjvv.jpg
[13:54] <Laurenceb_> http://spacefellowship.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=12073&sid=0d75dd87a450244e9bc8f0858f26b2f7&start=75
[13:54] <Darkside> the experimental setup :P
[13:54] <Laurenceb_> they are a little crazy
[13:55] <MrScienceMan> Darkside: whats the cost of the funcube donggle?
[13:55] <Darkside> a few hundred
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[13:55] <Darkside> i think its 150 pounds at the moment
[13:56] <Darkside> i'm using it over the rtl-sdr that i have, as this has a decent LNA on teh front
[13:56] <MrScienceMan> is there any cheaper alternative
[13:57] <Darkside> well, the rtl-sdr is one option
[13:57] <MrScienceMan> in the same format, as donggle
[13:57] <Darkside> but ths performance is certaily worse
[13:59] <Laurenceb_> so you like to play with your dongle?
[14:00] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: yes, yes i do
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[14:58] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: RT @LVL1WhiteStar: Will be attempting SpeedBall-1 launch at 7:45 PM ET Saturday (2345 UTC). Hybrid Hwoyee latex + PE ZP, aiming for 20k ... [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/201325400083800065]
[15:02] <Zuph> lol speedball lol
[15:06] <NigeyS> zuphhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[15:06] <NigeyS> ster
[15:06] <NigeyS> :)
[15:06] <Zuph> Yo, NigeyS
[15:06] <NigeyS> oioi
[15:06] <NigeyS> busy evening then mr :)
[15:07] <Zuph> Getting to be. Still pretty sedate this morning :)
[15:07] <cuddykid> are people staying up for the launch here (UK)?
[15:08] <NigeyS> i am
[15:08] <NigeyS> been waiting for this for freaking ages! lol
[15:08] <fsphil> here too
[15:08] <cuddykid> yeah, I'm contemplating :P
[15:08] <Zuph> And of course the mission profile changes radically at the last second :-p
[15:08] <cuddykid> I'll probably just tune in tomorrow
[15:08] <NigeyS> hah as always brad :p
[15:08] <fsphil> well yea if there's no delays :)
[15:09] <NigeyS> keeps you on ure toes eh ;)
[15:09] <Zuph> Seriously.
[15:09] <Zuph> Oh well, I'm just glad to see this thing gone.
[15:09] <NigeyS> hope u got some champagne in that cryo chamber ? :D
[15:09] <Zuph> Onward and upward, as they say.
[15:10] <Zuph> Flask of bourbon count?
[15:10] <NigeyS> oo that'll do nicely lol
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[16:42] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Circular Polarisation"
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[16:52] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Circular Polarisation"
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[17:37] <jcoxon> Evening all
[17:38] <SpeedEvil> Evening.
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[17:44] <Zuph> Evening James
[17:44] <Zuph> Thanks for your help, btw.
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[17:51] <jcoxon> Zuph, anytime
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[17:51] <jcoxon> Is it still.working?
[17:53] <Zuph> It appears to be
[17:54] <Zuph> Though we had to remove the xbee stuff entirely.
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[18:06] <jcoxon> No top sensor then?
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[18:11] <Wei_> hi
[18:11] <jcoxon> Hi
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[20:40] <chris_99> time for a bigger board ;) ?
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[20:51] <Lunar_Lander_> hello
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[22:40] <Laurenceb_> is there a launch coming up?
[22:43] <RocketBoy> Speedball-1 ?
[22:44] <Laurenceb_> 23:45 or something?
[22:44] <RocketBoy> delayed a couple of hours
[22:45] <Lunar_Lander_> is Dan-K2VOL here?
[22:46] <Laurenceb_> ah
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander_> Dan-K2VOL needs to know I was ill and today my ear hurt like hell
[22:49] <Dan-K2VOL> hey lunar
[22:49] <Dan-K2VOL> no problem
[22:49] <Dan-K2VOL> see if you think you'll feel up to the shift on the email I sent
[22:49] <Lunar_Lander_> thanks
[22:51] <RocketBoy> nights
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[22:51] <Lunar_Lander_> moment
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander_> ah I don't know if I should try to keep at rest or not
[22:55] Action: Lunar_Lander_ hits his head
[23:00] <fsphil> I'm not a doctor, but I'm sure that won't help :)
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander_> thanks
[23:01] <fsphil> I was hoping to stay up for the launch but if it's delay I'll probably not be able to keep awake
[23:01] <fsphil> +ed
[23:03] <NigeyS> fire up eagle phil, that'll keep u awake ;)
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander_> Dan-K2VOL, are there technical difficulties?
[23:09] <fsphil> I'd be afraid to sleep after that NigeyS
[23:10] <NigeyS> lol
[23:20] <Dan-K2VOL> yes indeed
[23:20] <Dan-K2VOL> many
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[23:52] <Lunar_Lander_> oh
[23:52] <Lunar_Lander_> which exactly Dan-K2VOL
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