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[06:14] <eroomde_> morning das habenpeepers
[06:15] <daveake> guten morgen das rocketflashenundcrashen
[06:17] <eroomde_> we dont know it crashed
[06:17] <eroomde_> we just dont know anything about the upper stage
[06:17] <daveake> I know but it rhymed :p
[06:18] <eroomde_> pyros at work have been colloquially renames as explosenpoopers
[06:18] <eroomde_> in matters rocketry
[06:18] <daveake> :)
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[06:21] <eroomde_> so daveake i now have some time to do a hab
[06:21] <eroomde_> at westcott
[06:22] <eroomde_> so hopefully that should happen soon
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[06:23] <daveake> cooool
[06:24] <daveake> I've put in an pplication for here for June
[06:24] <daveake> Did my tracker survive Scotland? Is it still there?
[06:26] <eroomde_> yes it is safe and to be returned to you
[06:26] <daveake> :)
[06:26] <daveake> Was it needed?
[06:27] <daveake> I made a copy and flew that on Sunday
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[06:41] <jcoxon> morning all
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[06:48] <daveake> morning
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[07:02] <Upu> morning
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[07:09] <daveake> morning
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[07:13] <number10> morning
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[07:47] <fsphil> gutten tag
[07:49] <zyp> god dag
[07:53] <fsphil> -t
[07:53] <SamSilver> more'
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[08:17] <Lunar_Lander_> hello
[08:18] <Lunar_Lander_> that amateur radio club for schools says they end their balloon insurance service "please understand that we close down this service after more than 100 flights, after which we of course still want to be of service with know-how"
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[08:21] <fsphil> what does that mean?
[08:22] <Lunar_Lander_> that means the only insurance I can see is with the weather service
[08:22] <Lunar_Lander_> which means: using their balloon and having a vaisala sonde on the train
[08:22] <Lunar_Lander_> great reduction of freedon
[08:22] <fsphil> the uni requiring insurance?
[08:23] <fsphil> doing it with the met office might be easier anyway
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[08:24] <Lunar_Lander_> well my professor has the opinion that an insurance might be a good idea for unexpected cases
[08:25] <fsphil> there is always a small chance of something happening
[08:25] <fsphil> but it's very small
[08:25] <Lunar_Lander_> and he also said that it would be better to have total freedom on what the flight train looks like
[08:25] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah that is what I said
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[08:31] <daveake> <sigh> Question I sent to a supplier re their 150mm poly balls: "What's the internal diameter?". Answer "150mm". No, I don't think so .....
[08:32] <Lunar_Lander_> oh
[08:33] <Randomskk> daveake: maybe both dimensions are +- 1mm :P
[08:33] <Randomskk> well...
[08:34] <daveake> :)
[08:34] <daveake> Suppose I should have asked for the wall thickness, to avoid stupidity
[08:35] <gonzo__> unless they are just selling you the idea of a ball
[08:36] <gonzo__> (people used to get away with that on ebay.... Wonder if they still do?)
[08:36] <daveake> Well it would save on weight
[08:37] <gonzo__> just out of ionterest, what do they usually sell polystyrene balls for?
[08:37] <gonzo__> (you could just pay them with the idea of money too)
[08:38] <daveake> Sold in craft shops for, erm, crafts
[08:38] <gonzo__> suppose air-craft counts then
[08:38] <daveake> I want to make more payloads like this - http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/sets/72157629973059769/
[08:38] <daveake> :)
[08:38] <Lunar_Lander_> I am still holding on that idea on moving the project to Morocco
[08:38] <Lunar_Lander_> if there are no options
[08:39] <Lunar_Lander_> Richard Branson style
[08:39] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[08:39] <daveake> I think the hollow one there was from Hobbycraft. Needs to be 120mm internal to take the solid ball
[08:43] <gonzo__> how dense is polyureathane foam? Could cast your own if you could find something to use as a mould
[08:44] <daveake> Dunno. I know it's been tried. I want to make an Apollo command module and that could well be the best option for that
[08:44] <daveake> Just need to make a mould first :p
[08:45] <fsphil> 3d printer
[08:45] <fsphil> you know you want one
[08:45] <daveake> :D
[08:45] <daveake> The HAB spend never ends
[08:45] <fsphil> so true
[08:45] <daveake> I can see an 817 and a 4x4 on the horizon
[08:45] <daveake> or closer
[08:45] <fsphil> still cheaper than rocketry :)
[08:46] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[08:46] <Lunar_Lander_> I think if I really have to go to Morocco
[08:46] <Lunar_Lander_> that would be like the biggest sum ever spent on HAB
[08:47] <fsphil> only if you crashed into an expensive car too
[08:47] <fsphil> I think nasa definitely have the most expensive launch failure in hab history
[08:48] <Lunar_Lander_> ah, the alice springs failure?
[08:48] <fsphil> yea
[08:48] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah that was intense
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[08:49] <Lunar_Lander_> btw just wrote to my friend Jens who does the launches at Ham Radio fair
[08:49] <Lunar_Lander_> what the end of the insurance service means to him now
[08:52] <number10> Upu - I got UpuPost yesterday tnx
[08:52] <Lunar_Lander_> cool!
[08:58] <Martin100> Anyone know what is a typical wait before getting a NOTAM confirmation from the CAA?
[09:03] <eroomde_> anyone tried ubuntu 12.04?
[09:03] <Lunar_Lander_> not yet, CDs still on their way from canonical
[09:03] <zyp> I tried the live version yesterday
[09:04] <eroomde_> any good?
[09:04] <eroomde_> i have i think 11.04 here and it's bugging me to upgrade. was thinking of giving it a whirl
[09:05] <zyp> I didn't really use it enough to notice much difference from the 10.4 I've got on my work computer
[09:05] <daveake> Martin100 For the first one, it probably will be 28 days
[09:06] <Lunar_Lander_> oh
[09:06] <daveake> If it's for a weekend, and you haven't had it by the end of the Thursday before, call Friday morning to chase
[09:06] <Lunar_Lander_> 28 days later...
[09:06] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/XnlFe.jpg wheee
[09:06] <Darkside> hf filters
[09:06] <Lunar_Lander_> ohhhhh
[09:06] <Martin100> Daveake is that 'just because they can' ?
[09:07] <daveake> I think it's just because some times of the year they're busy with air shows etc.
[09:07] <daveake> If you need it quicker, ask if it's possible
[09:07] <Martin100> Or that evaluating the impact of a new launch site really does take 28 days
[09:07] <daveake> DM is pretty helpful esp if you call
[09:07] <Lunar_Lander_> daveake, DFS told me "2 weeks"
[09:07] <Lunar_Lander_> last year it was 8 days
[09:08] <daveake> Varies. In the winter they're probably bored
[09:08] <Lunar_Lander_> yea, Raul got one in 3 days or so
[09:08] <Lunar_Lander_> that was like the week between xmas and new year's
[09:08] <daveake> But I get the impression it's much less work for a subsequent application
[09:08] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[09:08] <Lunar_Lander_> because they know you?
[09:08] <Martin100> I applied in plenty of time not launching till early july but 28 days is ok, 14 would be better though as then I'd know where I stood
[09:09] <daveake> Because they've checked the location already
[09:09] <daveake> Which is why I always add "Same place etc as usual"
[09:09] <Martin100> launch site is just a mile or so outside a controlled area but a good 6 miles or so from an airport, well away from any approach or departure route
[09:10] <daveake> In that case I'd probably call to check the location first, rather than wait 28 days to be told no
[09:11] <daveake> Sounds a bit close to me
[09:11] <daveake> Not that I know what their restrictions are
[09:11] <Martin100> Compared to other launch sites I've seen it looked near zero risk. The only regular traffic is air sea rescue doing a transit flight maybe once a week (not on day I applied for)
[09:12] <Martin100> Rest of traffic is 30k feet or more
[09:14] <Martin100> I will let them sit on it for another week max, still got lots of other work to do like building payload enclosure
[09:19] <daveake> Martin100 IME the permission comes through on the Thursday or Friday before the weekend launch dates. If you've applied for early July then that's when it'll come through; not after the 28 days.
[09:21] <Martin100> Ahh didn't know that, also I just realised I made a typo above, it's early June launch (2nd)
[09:23] <Martin100> Two days notice!!! , that is so frustrating as getting a gas cylinder might not be that easy (for a cheap rental rather than goign to BOC direct)
[09:23] <Lunar_Lander_> yea Martin100
[09:23] <Lunar_Lander_> sometimes you get the thought, why don't I just hit my head
[09:24] <Martin100> Got a couple of qualatex foils so might try a pic launch but my payload has to be way too heavy at the moment (and I want photos!)
[09:24] <Martin100> pic = pico
[09:25] <Martin100> Had some RFM22B's for a few weeks now but not even fired one up yet
[09:26] <Martin100> Plenty of arduinos on small boards in stock too, so much hardware, so little time
[09:27] <Martin100> Lunar, I injure myself enough without hitting my head
[09:27] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[09:27] <Lunar_Lander_> I don't mean by accident
[09:27] <Lunar_Lander_> I mean hitting on the head on purpose because of that INSURANCE
[09:28] <Lunar_Lander_> we'll never make it I think
[09:28] <Lunar_Lander_> I'd rather try to build a time machine to find out if we get insurance in the future despite that being a million times more difficult
[09:29] <eroomde_> 12.04 on its way then
[09:29] <eroomde_> lets have at you, unity
[09:29] <eroomde_> i had a dream last night when it was the late 80s and we just had the bbc micro
[09:29] <eroomde_> and that engineering was much more fun then
[09:29] <Martin100> Easy to avoid insurance. PAYG mobile number on payload (no names etc). Clean all DNAand fingerprints from payload, listen for no planes overhead. Launch :)
[09:30] <Lunar_Lander_> XD
[09:30] <eroomde_> 'we can use the COMputer to automate this tedious calculation! it'll go from a 5 hour calculation to a ten minute one!'
[09:30] <eroomde_> and basic was the only language
[09:30] <Lunar_Lander_> that sounds like the calculations on when they went for automatic level crossings
[09:30] <eroomde_> and there were no libraries so you had to write linear algebra munging libraries yourself
[09:30] <Lunar_Lander_> the "road traffic delay" and stuff
[09:30] <eroomde_> and it was still basically pencil and paper and beige
[09:31] <Martin100> eroomde surely basic and bit of assembler?
[09:31] <eroomde_> well yes assembler too
[09:31] <eroomde_> but can save the assembler for when it matters
[09:31] Nick change: eroomde_ -> eroomde
[09:32] <eroomde> except if we go back to the 80s we have to have current food culture
[09:32] <eroomde> i want to be able to buy olive oil from supermarkets, not chemists
[09:32] <eroomde> and cheese
[09:32] <Martin100> Back then I almost knew how to code, now after a decade or more away from it I forgotten most of it
[09:33] <eroomde> back in the 80s i wasn't born
[09:33] <eroomde> so this is a dream based on watching tv ducumentaries about then
[09:33] <Martin100> <Martin feels very ancient>
[09:34] <eroomde> well i was just born in the 80s
[09:34] <eroomde> but i was 2 when the 90s broke out
[09:34] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[09:34] <eroomde> so i don't really remember the 80s
[09:34] <Lunar_Lander_> I was like three weeks old when the 90s commenced
[09:35] Action: fsphil spend most of the 80's drooling
[09:35] <fsphil> and the later half watching cartoons
[09:35] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[09:36] <Lunar_Lander_> and then Gavin & Stacey
[09:36] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[09:36] <fsphil> happly I've never watched it
[09:36] <Lunar_Lander_> lol
[09:36] <eroomde> seconded in fact and sentiment
[09:37] <Lunar_Lander_> ruth jones is cool!
[09:37] <eroomde> except a youtube clip about ordering curry that my sister made me watch
[09:37] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[09:37] <Lunar_Lander_> I think you mentioned that
[09:37] <Lunar_Lander_> and someone rapping into a cell phone
[09:38] <eroomde> rings a bell
[09:38] <eroomde> give up
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[09:39] <Lunar_Lander_> I think you said "the fat one"
[09:39] <Lunar_Lander_> did you mean like the man or the woman?
[09:40] <eroomde> i don't recall. my short term memory for youtube clips is conditioned by watching millions of them
[09:40] <eroomde> so it's in and out within like 3 weeks
[09:40] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
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[09:41] <fsphil> it's quite difficult watching a TV show on youtube because suddenly you realise it's not 3 minutes long
[09:41] <eroomde> you don't know what to do with yourself
[09:41] <eroomde> ]this is partly why i liked this dream
[09:42] <eroomde> computers were there to do computations
[09:42] <eroomde> not distract you
[09:42] <eroomde> it's amazing that people in the olden days (like the early 80s) could go to work and spend 8 hours working ina single task
[09:42] <eroomde> think how much they must have got done!
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[09:45] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[09:45] <Lunar_Lander_> my professor said back in the days there was like a mainframe at university
[09:45] <Lunar_Lander_> if the mainframe crashed, the computer terminals were unusable
[09:46] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... You're making me feel old... ;)
[09:46] <eroomde> the best coding i did recently infact was in the white tent in this picture: http://www.cusf.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/IMG_1523-1024x682.jpg
[09:46] <eroomde> you can walk 10 miles in any direction from that tent and not find a single other human being except those out there to launch a rocket
[09:47] <eroomde> no power lines, no phone lines, no sewage pipes, certainly no mobile phone signal or anything
[09:47] <eroomde> this highland wilderness
[09:47] <eroomde> it was AMAZING for concentration
[09:47] <fsphil> I did some programming while camping out for the first hadie launch -- got distracted by a camp fire and food :)
[09:48] <eroomde> there was no food their either
[09:48] <eroomde> that helped
[09:48] <eroomde> well there was a packed launch
[09:48] <fsphil> I'd say so
[09:48] Action: LazyLeopard did a geology project in a similarly isolated but rather hotter and drier area... Nearest source of potable water was an hour's drive...
[09:49] <eroomde> that's a bit more hardcore
[09:49] <eroomde> we had plenty of water
[09:49] <LazyLeopard> Most interesting coding experience was probably on a houseboat in the Niger delta, though...
[09:49] <eroomde> well actually drinkable water might well be an hrs drive
[09:49] <staylo> a packed launch - very organised! :)
[09:49] <eroomde> it was 10 miles of offroad to the nearest road
[09:49] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, Scotland's not noted for its lack of water. ;)
[09:49] <eroomde> and the local water was all a yellow colour i think thanks to peat
[09:49] <fsphil> this is putting my camping night into perspective :p
[09:50] <eroomde> that was the stream we launched from: http://www.flickr.com/photos/definitivepicture/7145379949/in/photostream
[09:50] <eroomde> very pretty and making nice streamy noises
[09:51] <eroomde> but as i say, the water had a definite colour to it
[09:51] <daveake> yellow because of peat?
[09:51] <eroomde> i think so yes
[09:51] <daveake> couldn't you stop peat from pi**ing in the water?
[09:52] Action: fsphil dies a little inside
[09:52] <daveake> :)
[09:52] <eroomde> Peat often stains the water yellow or brown due to the leaching of tannins.
[09:52] <eroomde> wikipedia ^
[09:53] <eroomde> i should have seen that coming i suppose
[09:53] <daveake> you should
[09:53] <daveake> but you've been away
[09:53] <eroomde> out of practice
[09:53] <eroomde> it's a nice life actually
[09:54] <eroomde> you get up earlyish
[09:54] <eroomde> do a load of fun stuff outside
[09:54] <eroomde> come back to good food
[09:54] <eroomde> then go to bed
[09:54] <eroomde> if the army didn't involve killing people, i'd probably join
[09:54] <WillDuckworth> did you find the top section of the rocket eroomde?
[09:55] <eroomde> no
[09:55] <eroomde> searched about 60sq km over 2 days, no sighting
[09:55] <WillDuckworth> that is a shame
[09:55] <eroomde> but that's not a huge area when you consider the range of possible landing sites
[09:55] <WillDuckworth> needle in a proverbial
[09:55] <eroomde> hopefully the gamekeeper of gillie will pick it up at some point this season or next
[09:55] <eroomde> the sd cards should survive
[09:56] <eroomde> or*
[09:56] <WillDuckworth> fingers crossed on both counts
[09:56] <eroomde> yes
[09:56] <eroomde> very muchly
[09:57] <WillDuckworth> are the guys continuing on getting 3 stages ready to go at some point?
[09:59] <eroomde> well we only recovered 1
[09:59] <eroomde> so the 3rd stage is MIA
[09:59] <eroomde> there's an uncompleted 2nd stage in the lab tho
[09:59] <eroomde> we attached stage 3 to stage 1 for scotland
[09:59] <fsphil> was there a tracker on the lost stage?
[09:59] <WillDuckworth> ok - N size motor yeah?
[10:09] <Lunar_Lander_> OK wrote the weather service about options to fly with them
[10:09] <Lunar_Lander_> hope they answer soon
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[10:18] <SpeedEvil> http://img.ly/i5JQ - the next step.
[10:19] <SpeedEvil> Space(x) hopper.
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[10:59] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: requested permission for weekend of 9th June - ready to fly?! :P
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[11:00] <WillDuckworth> excellent - fingers crossed- will have something then too :)
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[11:00] <daveake> So have I ... may need to sort out frequencies
[11:00] <WillDuckworth> summer flyin
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[11:00] <cuddykid> good stuff!
[11:01] <cuddykid> summer launches are always the best
[11:01] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: hope we get winds like my 1st launch!
[11:01] <WillDuckworth> yep - very handy - straight up - straight down
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[11:01] <cuddykid> daveake: I'll be on 434.2 here
[11:01] <cuddykid> I do have .750 and .650 ntx2s though if need be
[11:04] <daveake> Yeah, I have a choice of both NTX2s and the RFM
[11:05] <daveake> number10 may be coming over (I've applied for 2 launches) and he'll be on one of the NTX2 frequencies
[11:05] <cuddykid> I guess the rfm can be tuned up/down? so we should have a wide variety
[11:05] <daveake> Yes, I don't recall the range, but there's enough choice
[11:06] <cuddykid> there's a decent chance I might not be launching as it's going to be another last min thing,exams finish end of May - so if I can get something together by then I'll fly it
[11:06] <Lunar_Lander_> I got a bit unrelated question
[11:07] <Lunar_Lander_> well related maybe
[11:07] <Lunar_Lander_> daveake, when your flight with my patch onboard ended in the sea off southern england, it technically was a transmitting buoy right?
[11:08] <daveake> suppose so ..... why?
[11:08] <cuddykid> I may even have a 'guided parachute' then to start testing..
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[11:09] <Lunar_Lander_> I thought about who needs to be contacted for a buoy experiment?
[11:10] <Lunar_Lander_> do buoys need insurances like balloons?
[11:10] <cuddykid> doubt it
[11:10] <cuddykid> just let it out into sea
[11:11] <cuddykid> doesn't pose any danger to anyone
[11:11] <MrScienceMan> except the titanic
[11:11] <Lunar_Lander_> XD
[11:11] <Lunar_Lander_> it is actually hard for a ship to run over a small boat
[11:12] <Lunar_Lander_> because it gets caught in the bowshock
[11:12] <Lunar_Lander_> and pushed aside
[11:13] <MrScienceMan> never underestimate large ships with thousands of people on board
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[11:13] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[11:14] <Lunar_Lander_> let's start UK-SLRS: United Kingdom Sea Level Research Society
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[11:15] <MrScienceMan> I cant swim :(
[11:15] <Lunar_Lander_> oh
[11:15] <MrScienceMan> but i can float uncounsious
[11:15] <gonzo__> don't launch with dave then"!
[11:18] <daveake> Mine wouldn't have needed to float if it hadn't floated earlier
[11:19] <daveake> but yeah lol
[11:20] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[11:20] <Lunar_Lander_> problem with weather service might be that our payload simply is tied to a radiosonde balloon
[11:20] <Lunar_Lander_> no individual inflation, no cutdown
[11:21] <Lunar_Lander_> no shit
[11:21] <Lunar_Lander_> :(
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[11:24] <fsphil> you get the benifit of their experience though
[11:24] <fsphil> benefit*
[11:25] <Lunar_Lander_> true
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[11:36] <griffonbot> Received email: Solar Balloonman "[UKHAS] Recovery stuff."
[11:39] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] Recovery stuff."
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[12:33] <griffonbot> Received email: Matthew Brejza "Re: [UKHAS] University of southampton Physics Outreach Project Launch Announcement"
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[13:01] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Will be attempting SpeedBall-1 launch at 7:45 PM ET Saturday (2345 UTC). Hybrid Hwoyee latex + PE ZP, aiming for 20km 3day float #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/200933532904857600]
[13:02] <fsphil> a hybrid .. wonder how that works
[13:04] <x-f> but why
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[13:09] <griffonbot> @steamfire: @jamescoxon thank you for the Arduino code repair!! #ukhas [http://twitter.com/steamfire/status/200935650189520896]
[13:09] <griffonbot> @steamfire: RT @LVL1WhiteStar: Will be attempting SpeedBall-1 launch at 7:45 PM ET Saturday (2345 UTC). Hybrid Hwoyee latex + PE ZP, aiming for 20k ... [http://twitter.com/steamfire/status/200935726450343936]
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[13:32] <griffonbot> @steamfire: I am excited for the white star launch, I haven't been in a long time :-). Saturday 7:45 Pm/2345 UTC (weather permitting) #UKHAS #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/steamfire/status/200941531832647681]
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[13:35] <griffonbot> @johnbaichtal: RT @steamfire: I am excited for the white star launch, I haven't been in a long time :-). Saturday 7:45 Pm/2345 UTC (weather permitting ... [http://twitter.com/johnbaichtal/status/200942270298591234]
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[14:03] <nigelvh> Morning all
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[14:43] <griffonbot> Received email: Tom Lyons "[UKHAS] FUNCube dongle for tracking"
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[14:51] <griffonbot> Received email: navrac "[UKHAS] Re: FUNCube dongle for tracking"
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[16:21] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: @n5vei no APRS Planned, all Iridium two-way messaging, see http://t.co/4JM9ChcI. Might add WB8ELK tracker but not sure. ##ukhas [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/200983888812711936]
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[17:12] <jcoxon> evening all
[17:12] <daveake> evening
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[17:38] <griffonbot> Received email: Dan Bowen "[UKHAS] Details of the flight of SpeedBall-1 this weekend"
[17:41] <Dan-K2VOL> evening!
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[17:59] <cuddykid> GL with the flight Dan-K2VOL!
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[17:59] <Dan-K2VOL> thanks cuddykid
[18:00] <cuddykid> going to be an interesting one :D
[18:00] <Dan-K2VOL> it is, and of all things now a problem it's getting the helium
[18:00] <Dan-K2VOL> SpacePort Indiana usually just has helium available for us to use, but it's out due to the shortage, and they just told us today
[18:01] <Dan-K2VOL> ugh and I have more programming to finish debugging!
[18:01] <Dan-K2VOL> (of course :-)
[18:01] <Dan-K2VOL> )
[18:02] <cuddykid> oh no :(
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[18:15] <SpeedEvil> http://img.ly/i5JQ - very cool. (SpaceX hopper) - is there a better source for spacex news than the twitter or the website?
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[18:20] <Dan-K2VOL> spaceflightnow is ok
[18:20] <Dan-K2VOL> I can't believe their plans for the whole rocket booster landing like the cartoons do, right back on it's launch pad, after going to orbit!
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[18:32] <SpeedEvil> Fucking insane.
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> ^ly awesome
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> Well - seperate pads
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> But still
[18:33] <SpeedEvil> If they can do this, they can get cost to orbit to $?0/lb not $1000
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[18:51] <griffonbot> Received email: Tom Lyons "[UKHAS] Re: FUNCube dongle for tracking"
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[18:52] <griffonbot> Received email: Jon Sowman "Re: [UKHAS] Re: FUNCube dongle for tracking"
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[19:06] <salexander> Hi there everyone, first time on the channel and I was hoping to ask a few questions regarding antennas for mounting on the HAB. A tiny bit of background, I plan on using the 2m band (APRS) Trackuino board. Doing a bit of research, Ive been intrigued by both the quarter wave ground plane and the little wheel antenna. How well will these two antenna designs work for a HAB? How important is circular polarization, particularl
[19:07] <salexander> ...Do these antenna designs have good directional properties for a HAB? What other easy to construct designs would you recommend that I research? Thanks so much for any constructive comments!
[19:08] <Hibby> CCP have a highlight video up!
[19:08] <Hibby> 
[19:08] <Hibby> 19:54:35 * | Hibby has been invited back to aberdeen for a discussion with their senior engineering team. 
[19:08] <Hibby> 19:55:54 bagpuss_thecat | likewise, pass on my happy birhtdays to the wee shite
[19:09] <Hibby> dammit
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[19:09] <Hibby> disregard that, svp
[19:11] <Hibby> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5VicNzqsQA
[19:11] <Hibby> is the video
[19:11] <Hibby> salexander: what country you in?
[19:12] <Hibby> most of our launches that I'm aware of have either monopoles or jpoles on them, but the whitestar guys have a nice common mode helical design too...
[19:13] <Hibby> now I see why CCP's capsule fell - it was held on by nylon :/
[19:14] <salexander> Hey Hibby, I'm in the US
[19:14] <Hibby> looks like the ballon burst due to movement of the rig attached, too
[19:15] <Hibby> salexander: cool. I was checking as for us Brits, the use of 2m is illegal, sadly.
[19:15] <salexander> I've checked the whitestar project out a bit, but I'll look further into their antenna design
[19:15] <Hibby> they're great guys
[19:15] <Hibby> give Dan-K2VOL a ping, he's heavily involved as the hub of all things WSB
[19:15] <salexander> i had seen that on the UKHAS website... I was surprised to see that all HAM was restricted on HABS
[19:15] <Hibby> they're launching the transatlantic balloon tomorrow.
[19:16] <Hibby> yeah, transmission from above ground is illegal here on any amateur bands
[19:16] <salexander> that's a shame
[19:16] <salexander> so you guys primarily use the 433Mhz band?
[19:16] <salexander> have you used the 900 band much?
[19:17] <Hibby> nah, I've not looked at it at all, but 838 (or thereabouts) is unlicensed. I think the propagation characteristics vs the legal power limits were unfavourable.
[19:17] <jonsowman> it's mainly that most amateur radio rigs don't go that high
[19:17] <Randomskk> though if these cheap SDRs become prolific...
[19:18] <jonsowman> that would make 868 a lot more doable
[19:18] <salexander> are there any projects using SDRs at the moment?
[19:18] <salexander> it sounds interesting
[19:19] <jonsowman> the funcube dongle is probably the most commonly used SDR for HABing
[19:19] <jonsowman> these new DVB dongles (search for "rtl sdr") are perhaps useable
[19:19] <salexander> thanks jonsowman
[19:19] <jonsowman> it's something lots of people are looking into
[19:19] <jonsowman> including me, a little bit
[19:20] Action: Hibby has useful gtk based sdr software to hand if we've got hardware.
[19:20] <jonsowman> Hibby: have you played with any of the dvb dongles?
[19:21] <Randomskk> Hibby: what software?
[19:21] <Hibby> not yet, not been on IRC to hear much about them, really.
[19:21] <Hibby> Randomskk: http://gordonjcp.github.com/lysdr/ - we've been working on it in the hackerspace. Effectively, takes audio from jack and does the maths on it
[19:21] <Hibby> because jack is damned useful for stuff like this.
[19:22] <Randomskk> hah
[19:22] <Randomskk> you're not the only people interested in making new software for using this stuff
[19:22] <jonsowman> looks good
[19:23] <Randomskk> what can it demodulate?
[19:23] <Randomskk> or does it just provide audio?
[19:23] <Hibby> we've been working on an aprs tracker as well that pulls from the aprs-is server and uses libfap to decode, as most aprs software on linux is crap
[19:23] <Randomskk> indeed
[19:23] <Hibby> Randomskk: it assumes you're sending it audio from sdr hardware like the softrock
[19:23] <Randomskk> and outputs...?
[19:24] <Randomskk> the baseband audio for something like dl-fldigi?
[19:24] <Hibby> at the moment, I can't remember as it's been so long since I've looked at it.
[19:24] <Hibby> yeah, pretty much
[19:24] <Randomskk> so basically fits the same place as HDSR?
[19:24] <Hibby> possibly - not come across that one
[19:25] <Hibby> looks like it
[19:25] <Hibby> but we're not windows compatable as we're gimps ;)
[19:25] <Randomskk> :P good good
[19:25] <salexander> Hibby: The APRS tracker software sounds very interesting... at the moment it doesn't look like there is much available
[19:25] Action: Randomskk is looking more at competing with the dl-fldigi side of things, but, well, we'll see.
[19:25] <Hibby> salexander: https://github.com/gordonjcp/aprsmap
[19:25] <Hibby> is the code for aprsmap anyway
[19:26] <Hibby> http://gordonjcp.github.com/aprsmap/ is the github pages for it.
[19:26] <salexander> Thanks Hibby, I'll keep my eyes on that
[19:27] <Hibby> we've not poked at it in a while because reasons, but it's usually about now we begin to meet up and code in pubs and such
[19:27] <Hibby> any feature requests/suggestions/issues are always welcome
[19:28] <salexander> I'll see what I can pull together :) I'll have to test a bit of the existing software so that I can find the areas I feel are lacking
[19:29] Action: Hibby is rebooting into windies, bbs
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[20:02] <Laurenceb_> windows?!
[20:02] <Laurenceb_> dont go to the dark side
[20:05] <joph> come to the dark side
[20:05] <joph> we have cookies :P
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[20:08] <fsphil> the cookies are a lie!
[20:08] <joph> but the realtek SDR is real :P
[20:08] <fsphil> mmmm sdr
[20:10] <Hibby> windows has eve, though
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[21:23] <SpeedEvil> https://twitter.com/#!/elonmusk/status/198579161382649857 - @elonmusk what is the code for the Dragon and rockets written in? Some common language like C or Ada or something specialized?
[21:23] <SpeedEvil> @geoffeg Dragon code is written in C++ on Linux.
[21:23] <SpeedEvil> ...
[21:28] Nick change: WhiteStarMC-46 -> Zuph
[21:28] <Zuph> Probably some safe subset, a la the JSF coding standard
[21:33] <SpeedEvil> Possibly. I do wonder about 'on linux' - it's coded on machines running, or run.
[21:34] <SpeedEvil> http://img.ly/i5JQ - Biggest space-hopper ever.
[21:34] <MrScienceMan> coded for deep blue
[21:35] <MrScienceMan> bit heavy, but with enough ballons and a power cable going to ground
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[21:44] <Lunar_Lander_> good evening
[21:45] <andrew_apex> hey Lunar_Lander_
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander_> how are you andrew_apex ?
[21:46] <andrew_apex> exams... :P but not too bad thanks! how about you?
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander_> recovering from a cold
[21:48] <andrew_apex> 'recovering' sounds positive :)
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander_> yea :)
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander_> my geiger counter from mightyohm finally arrived
[21:50] <andrew_apex> fun :)
[21:50] <andrew_apex> have you built it yet?
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander_> no, I just saw that the mail brought it
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander_> it had been in customs some time
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[21:55] <Lunar_Lander_> hello current world altitude record holder
[21:59] <RocketBoy> I see the previous record holder has had a shot at trying to get it back
[21:59] <RocketBoy> hey ho
[21:59] <Lunar_Lander_> PBH?
[22:01] <RocketBoy> yeah
[22:01] <Laurenceb_> CNSP
[22:01] <RocketBoy> yeah
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander_> PBH or CNSP?
[22:01] <Laurenceb_> lol
[22:01] <Laurenceb_> http://www.arhab.org/#
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[22:01] <RocketBoy> one of those US guys :-)
[22:02] <RocketBoy> CNSP
[22:02] <Laurenceb_> over 300m between them
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander_> well they didn't surpass it
[22:04] <RocketBoy> yeah a fair way - but close enough to be worrying
[22:05] <Laurenceb_> heh
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander_> my geiger counter finally arrived
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander_> as I said before you arrived RocketBoy
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[22:12] <RocketBoy> oh cool - tried it yet?
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander_> no, it is still in the box
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander_> covered in customs stickers
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander_> that's why it took so long
[22:16] <RocketBoy> no test sources in with it then?
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander_> no, there weren't any from the start anyway
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander_> just the counter and a plastic case
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[22:24] <RocketBoy> there was quite an interesting story about one of the workers wo went out after the winscale fire back in the 1950
[22:24] <RocketBoy> he went out with a geiger counter after the fire and looked for pieces of radioactive debries
[22:25] <RocketBoy> just used a geiger counter to search for radioatitve sections of grass
[22:25] <RocketBoy> and dug them up to take home
[22:25] <Laurenceb_> home?!
[22:26] <RocketBoy> yep
[22:26] <Laurenceb_> ... why
[22:27] <RocketBoy> then he would divide the section up testing each half for radio activity - and keep diiving until he found the source
[22:27] <Randomskk> why would you not want radioactive grass?
[22:27] <Laurenceb_> oh i see
[22:27] <RocketBoy> ended up with a few bits the size of pinheds
[22:28] <RocketBoy> a very simple but elegant echnique
[22:28] <RocketBoy> i thought
[22:28] <RocketBoy> technique
[22:28] <Laurenceb_> yes
[22:29] <RocketBoy> twas a nasty acident
[22:30] <RocketBoy> evudently they stopped selling milk for some time
[22:30] <Laurenceb_> air cooled plutonium reactor is a pretty stupid idea tho
[22:30] <RocketBoy> yeah
[22:32] <RocketBoy> I think the filters pretty much saved the UK from a much worse incident
[22:34] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
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[22:40] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander_> why did they rename it to sellafield btwß
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander_> ?
[22:41] <Randomskk> oh wikipedia
[22:41] <Randomskk> However, the UK did obtain military nuclear material in return, so via this barter UK civil power stations probably provided weapons material.[14] In the same way, all civil economic activity provided weapons material by providing money and skills with which the plants were built, thereby involving everyone everywhere in the production of nuclear weapons.[citation needed]
[22:41] <Randomskk> everyone everywhere. tsk, tsk.
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[22:43] <NigeyS> ping Randomskk
[22:43] <Randomskk> hello
[22:44] <NigeyS> hey Adam, any chance you can add a flight doc for me ?
[22:44] <Randomskk> sure thing
[22:44] <NigeyS> http://pastebin.com/EMYNtted
[22:44] <NigeyS> thanks dude!
[22:45] <Randomskk> for some reason the launch time is not there
[22:45] <Randomskk> might be a bug or maybe you didn't put one
[22:45] <Randomskk> got a launch time for the calendar?
[22:45] <Randomskk> if not no worries
[22:45] <Randomskk> but if it gets one, it appears on the calendar feed
[22:45] <NigeyS> its just a test so can be any time
[22:45] <Randomskk> alright
[22:45] <Randomskk> I'll leave it off for now then
[22:45] <Randomskk> saved, it's in the db
[22:45] <NigeyS> brill thanks Adam
[22:45] <Randomskk> no worries
[22:46] <NigeyS> hopefully i got the custom fields right lol
[22:46] <Randomskk> they look fine
[22:46] <Randomskk> I changed some names slightly to fit with how we're doing field names
[22:46] <Randomskk> but the documentation for how we're doing field names isn't live atm so
[22:46] <Randomskk> bit unfair
[22:46] <NigeyS> ahh okies, ill take note of the changes
[22:46] <Randomskk> tbh hopefully in the next few weeks I should be able to start on the new version of the doc generator -- where you can save your own docs to the database
[22:46] <Randomskk> a lot of the background work is there already
[22:46] <NigeyS> oo that's gonna be neat
[22:46] <Randomskk> make life a lot easier for everyone involved
[22:47] <Randomskk> right, bedtime
[22:47] <Randomskk> seeya later
[22:47] <NigeyS> nn dude, thanks again :-)
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander_> hey NigeyS
[22:50] <NigeyS> hi kev
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander_> guess what
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander_> my geiger finally arrived
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander_> however it is a geiger counter kit
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander_> so I have to assemble it at the laboratories next week
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