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[06:43] <jcoxon> morning all
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[07:26] <topo1> HI all !!!!!!!!
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[07:38] <topo1> ALGUN ESPAÑOL AKI
[07:38] <topo1> XDDD??
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[09:03] <topo1> hi ^
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[09:13] <fsphil> morning one and all
[09:13] <daveake> top of the morning to you too
[09:16] <fsphil> I'm still not sure what that means
[09:17] <daveake> I've no idea :)
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[09:17] <MrScienceMan> it means he is a spot on gentleman
[09:18] <fsphil> urg, hail stones again
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[09:21] <fsphil> woo, launch site owner given the go ahead. which is good as I'd already sent in the notam
[09:22] <daveake> :)
[09:22] <fsphil> *request for
[09:22] <UpuWork-> morning
[09:22] <daveake> morning
[09:22] <fsphil> morning mr.upuwork
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[09:59] <eroomde> morning
[10:03] <jonsowman> morning
[10:06] <eroomde> finished zams now?
[10:06] <jonsowman> one more tomorrow
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[10:08] <eroomde> good luck
[10:08] <eroomde> then a happy term
[10:08] <jonsowman> thanks :)
[10:08] <eroomde> its good this term, youll enjoy it
[10:08] <jonsowman> i hope so
[10:08] <navrac_> hi daveake - thought of you this morning when the local news described a suspicious possibly explosive device found off the coast of suffolk
[10:09] <eroomde> so im afraid joey might not be coming back as you peraps realise
[10:09] <eroomde> at least not in the next few weeks
[10:09] <jonsowman> haha i had guessed
[10:09] <jonsowman> i've got some custom cut crystals on order
[10:09] <eroomde> gamekeeper reckons he might stumble across it this season
[10:09] <jonsowman> so i'll make up another Joey once i get them
[10:09] <eroomde> as he covers most of the estate
[10:09] <eroomde> ok
[10:09] <eroomde> apols :)
[10:09] <jonsowman> fingers crossed it gets found
[10:09] <jonsowman> really want to see the gopro footage
[10:09] <eroomde> you should def try and get up next year
[10:09] <eroomde> it was a lot of fun
[10:09] <jonsowman> i will
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[10:17] <griffonbot> Received email: "[UKHAS] BONZO1 flight"
[10:19] <Lunar_Lander_> hello
[10:19] <Lunar_Lander_> just got a mail from the CREAM team at the U of Maryland
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[10:19] <Lunar_Lander_> they don't think a geiger on a balloon could do much contribution to modern science
[10:21] <Lunar_Lander_> :)
[10:21] <Lunar_Lander_> no
[10:22] <Lunar_Lander_> :( that one
[10:23] <navrac_> depends if its what they are interested in. Also mainstream science isnt the be all and end all
[10:24] <navrac_> people experimenting and finding out unusual things can drive science forward.
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[10:27] <fsphil> you may discover a new low altitude radiation belt :)
[10:29] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah :D
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[10:38] <Lunar_Lander_> I'll be back later
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[11:02] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Seems I need to track down contents for habitat_extensions and resolve conflicting ideas about location of json.h to bild latest dl-fldigi on ubuntu 12.04.LTS...
[11:02] <LazyLeopard> build, even...
[11:04] <fsphil> habitat_extensions is a git submodule
[11:04] <Randomskk> yes it's unusually annoying
[11:05] <fsphil> git submodule init && git submodule update
[11:05] <fsphil> json.h will annoy you greatly :)
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[11:32] <navrac_> can anyone explain the nomogram in this document to me in plain english?
[11:32] <navrac_> http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0450(1965)004%3C0122%3ASBFWR%3E2.0.CO%3B2
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[11:35] <griffonbot> Received email: David Bowkis "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Possible ANU / BUZZ / CLOUD Launch - 5/5/2012"
[11:39] <cuddykid> emailed David Miller about permission for weekend of 9th/10th June
[11:40] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: ^ ready to fly then?
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[11:41] <Lunar_Lander_> hello and welcome back
[11:42] <Lunar_Lander_> navrac, I thought a bit about the geiger
[11:42] <Lunar_Lander_> did you ever hear of Erich Regener?
[11:43] <navrac_> just reading on wikipedia
[11:43] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[11:43] <Lunar_Lander_> back in the days, 1934, there had been a full Ph.D. thesis on two sounding balloon flights with triple coincidence counters
[11:44] <Lunar_Lander_> and compare that to all the work that a Ph.D. thesis contains today
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[11:46] <Lunar_Lander_> hi NigeyS
[11:46] <NigeyS> hey Kevin
[11:48] <Lunar_Lander_> currently discussing a message I got from the Uni of Maryland, the CREAM balloon experiment team doesn't think that a simple geiger counter could do much research
[11:48] <Lunar_Lander_> but we are thinking about that matter anyway
[11:48] <NigeyS> you want more than 1, and gate them
[11:49] <Lunar_Lander_> yea, coincidence mode
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[11:54] <Lunar_Lander_> I mentioned that in the e-mail to them btw
[11:54] <Lunar_Lander_> as well as an experiment from the 1930's also in which Serge Korff had a mechanism which covered the geiger on the balloon with different lead shields
[11:56] <Lunar_Lander_> lead will absorb radiation, something like parrafin which contains lots of hydrogen will slow neutrons and stuff like that
[11:57] Nick change: UpuWork- -> UpuWork
[11:58] <gonzo_> been a very long time since I did anything in nucleonics, but what are you looking to measure? alpha/beta or gamma?
[11:58] <Lunar_Lander_> I got that GC from MightyOhm which has a SBM-20 tube, metal shell
[11:59] <Lunar_Lander_> so no alpha measurement possible
[11:59] <Lunar_Lander_> and actually I have to admit that I hoped that I'd find an expert who could like give me questions to look at
[11:59] <gonzo_> even the tube glass would stop all but gamma
[11:59] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[12:01] <gonzo_> semicon gamma detectors are going to be simpler to drive , though I'd have to ask friends, as they were only just coming in when I last worked on that stuff
[12:01] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah
[12:01] <gonzo_> lunch brb
[12:01] <Lunar_Lander_> you mean those photocell like devices?
[12:01] <Lunar_Lander_> good appetite
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[12:33] <LazyLeopard> fsphil: Thanks. Which repository does it come from?
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[12:41] <Randomskk> LazyLeopard: the repository address is already stored in the parent repository
[12:41] <Randomskk> you just need to run "git submodule update --init" from the root git repository
[12:41] <fsphil> yea it's linked, doing the submodule commands will do it all for you
[12:42] <Randomskk> however for dl-fldigi you should beusing habitat-cpp-connector not habitat-extensions, you might have an older dl-fldigi source checkout
[12:42] <fsphil> the submodule command didn't work on my old debian machine though
[12:42] <Randomskk> fsphil: wow, must be kinda old. submodules aren't that new...
[12:43] <Randomskk> hmm yes it doesn't look like jcoxon's updated his repository yet.
[12:43] <Randomskk> haha building dl-fldigi
[12:43] <Randomskk> LazyLeopard: are you sure you wouldn't prefer a binary? :P
[12:43] <Lunar_Lander_> be back later
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[12:44] <Randomskk> anyway check out source from https://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi then run "git submodule update --init" then sort out the json issue then run autoreconf -vfi then configure, make, make install
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[12:52] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Where's the definitive dl-fldigi repository these days?
[12:52] <LazyLeopard> I suspect I'm a mite behind the times, having not tried to update it in the last few months...
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[12:59] <Randomskk> LazyLeopard: well technically at the moment still jcoxon, however he's not updated his with the change in danielrichman's which is required to get it to compile.
[12:59] <Randomskk> at some point we might move it to ukhas/
[12:59] <LazyLeopard> Randomskk: Got a rather flakey old laptop here, which is why I was building it a while back.
[13:00] <Randomskk> fair enough
[13:00] <Randomskk> hopefully this summer as well as exciting habitat developments we might have a prototype new decoder in python, no building required :P
[13:00] <LazyLeopard> That'd explain it, then. I'm pulling from James's repository. Time to switch, I guess...
[13:00] <Randomskk> it's easy enough to switch
[13:00] <Randomskk> do this
[13:00] <Randomskk> git remote add danielrichman https://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi.git
[13:01] <Randomskk> git fetch danielrichman
[13:01] <Randomskk> git merge danielrichman/master
[13:01] <Randomskk> will get you the code from his
[13:01] <Randomskk> then
[13:01] <Randomskk> git submodule update --init
[13:04] <LazyLeopard> Thanks
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[13:06] <fsphil> ah, that's probably why it didn't work for me on that old debian box. I cloned my own branch. I probably have to setup the submodules manually
[13:06] <fsphil> which is annoying
[13:06] <Randomskk> just pull danielrichman's change to the submodule address
[13:07] <Randomskk> bbl
[13:17] <Darkside> http://vimeo.com/41770757 cutdown testing
[13:17] <Darkside> well, testing the nichrome wire stuff
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[15:03] <x-f> hey, guys, how close to the airports are you allowed to launch a HAB in UK?
[15:06] <gonzo_> I've asked the same question.
[15:06] <gonzo_> I think it is down to getting a NOTAM issued. The closer you are the less chance of getting permission.
[15:08] <cuddykid> great - David Miller has got back, hopefully a NOTAM will be issued for early June :D
[15:09] <UpuWork> 2015
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[15:11] <x-f> gonzo_, our CAA currently thinks 70 km might be too close, but they have no experience with amateur HABs and are asking for my help so they can give us a NOTAM
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[15:13] <gonzo_> in the uk im not sure there is anywhere that is more than 70km from an airport
[15:13] <x-f> :)
[15:13] <gonzo_> and there are few bits of sky that are not aircorridors/airways at some level or otrher
[15:14] <gonzo_> I've emailed/phoned/left messages with CAA to get advice on what will stand a chance of gettiong a notam.
[15:15] <gonzo_> but zero response
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[15:15] <fsphil> I launch 25km-ish from two airports
[15:15] <fsphil> well, maybe 30km
[15:16] <x-f> thank you
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[15:29] <cuddykid> haha UpuWork-
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[15:43] <zyp> when we did a standard sounding balloon launch in space tech school we were less than 1km away from an airport
[15:45] <zyp> we just called them and told them we were doing a launch and got a clear to launch there and then
[15:45] <cuddykid> I'm about 30km from a big airport
[15:46] <cuddykid> and ~10km from restricted airspace
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[15:46] <zyp> this was a military airport, so it's probably also restricted
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[17:25] <jcoxon> eveninig all
[17:25] <LazyLeopard> hiya
[17:25] <Upu> evening
[17:30] <number10> evening
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[17:31] <daveake> evening
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[17:36] <number10> what are you planning jcoxon
[17:36] <jcoxon> hehe
[17:37] <jcoxon> i've got another pico
[17:37] <jcoxon> but it won't be for at least 2 weeks
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[17:53] <nick_> Hi, is someone here familiar with designing/drawing circuits with eagle?
[17:53] <SpeedEvil> I tried that once.
[17:53] <SpeedEvil> It bit me.
[17:53] <nick_> I'm only trying to draw a simple circuit, and it's almost what I want.
[17:53] <SpeedEvil> And I got in trouble with the royal society for the prevention of using birds as pencils.
[17:53] <nick_> But I'm having trouble putting in some terminal blocks.
[17:54] <nigelvh> I use eagle pretty frequently.
[17:54] <nick_> I found a terminal block component, but it is for 12 blocks, and I can't work out how to make it for less (specifically 2)
[17:54] <nick_> The block I found is con-wago-508
[17:54] <nigelvh> Well, you can make a new part based on the old one.
[17:54] <nigelvh> There's a few steps to it.
[17:55] <nick_> OK
[17:56] <nigelvh> Sparkfun has a decent tutorial on making parts in eagle. http://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/110
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[17:56] <nick_> There's not a way to just alter the property of the existing part?
[17:56] <nigelvh> Nope
[17:57] <nigelvh> You can take the existing part, group the parts you want to keep, copy and paste that into a new part, and save that
[17:58] <nigelvh> You may also want to check out the sparkfun eagle library. https://github.com/sparkfun/SparkFun-Eagle-Library
[17:58] <cuddykid> pinging Upu pinging Upu
[17:58] <nigelvh> They may already have what you want.
[17:58] <Upu> Upu responding 500ms
[17:58] <cuddykid> haha
[17:59] <cuddykid> Upu: do you have another batch of uBloxs coming soon? Wondering if you could bolt on a Neo 6Q?
[17:59] <Upu> I'm afraid not at the moment sorry
[17:59] <cuddykid> no probs
[17:59] <cuddykid> no rush
[17:59] <Upu> dunno if anyone has a NEO they'd want to sell you
[17:59] <eroomde> would if i did
[18:00] <Upu> redo it for MAX6 ?
[18:00] <cuddykid> I think I'll leave it - it'll be more to redo and buy max 6 in the end
[18:00] <cuddykid> plus the ridiculous wait :P
[18:01] <cuddykid> but I'm not in any hurry as I'll be flying daveake's special again when I get around to finding out what's wrong with it
[18:01] <cuddykid> hopefully there will be some HAB activity from Worcester early June..
[18:02] <Upu> speak to fsphil but he may need his NEO6's
[18:02] <cuddykid> okies, thanks
[18:03] <fsphil> I've got two
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[18:03] <fsphil> gimme a shout in a minute if you're after them.. I gotta brb, family from scotland is visiting :)
[18:03] <cuddykid> fsphil: okay, thanks! :)
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[18:31] <fsphil> yay, it's actually nice outside
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[18:31] <eroomde> yeah
[18:31] <eroomde> odd huh
[18:32] <eroomde> scotland was wierd
[18:32] <eroomde> got 20mph horizontal sleet
[18:32] <eroomde> then blue skies 10 mins later and up to about 12C
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[18:34] <fsphil> being up high seems to do that
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[18:50] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: No midges?
[18:52] <LazyLeopard> That'd be the advantage of the 20mph horizontal sleet, then... ;)
[18:53] <nick_> Oof, sensibly placing stuff on a PCB is not easy
[18:59] <eroomde> correct
[18:59] <eroomde> connectors on the edge can oftenndrive the rest
[18:59] <eroomde> then sensible ground strategy
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[19:02] <nick_> The main issue I'm having is that my board centres around one chip, and getting all the connections to that chip's pins is being a pain.
[19:02] <Randomskk> try rearranging what pins you've used for things
[19:03] <SpeedEvil> Or just add another layer or two
[19:03] <SpeedEvil> Nick: how many layers, and how many pins has your chip got?
[19:03] <nick_> 2 layers
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[19:04] <nick_> It only has 5 pins, so probably I'm just being stupid.
[19:04] <SpeedEvil> Probably.
[19:04] <Upu> think everyone is doing PCB's tonight
[19:04] <eroomde> not i
[19:05] <eroomde> i had a massive marathonnthe week before scotland
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> nick_: More seriously - what are the constraints?
[19:05] <eroomde> i am gonna do some wine this evening
[19:05] <Upu> fireup http://join.me nick_ lets all have a look
[19:05] <Upu> super plan
[19:05] Action: fsphil-laptop is doing homework :/
[19:05] <Upu> did that all weekend
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[19:05] <eroomde> thsn hopefullymdesign a rocket engine that is entirely electronics free
[19:05] Action: SpeedEvil is pondering having a bath.
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: Inginter?
[19:05] <eroomde> probs just slow match
[19:05] <eroomde> ablative liner
[19:06] <eroomde> i want to get my level 1 with a biprop i built. wouldnbe a good learning experience
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> :)
[19:06] <eroomde> a chance to apply so,e of the thermal phusics ive been trying to get up to speed with for work
[19:06] <Upu> you been on the wine already eroomde ?
[19:06] <eroomde> ipad
[19:06] <eroomde> typing accuracy reduces
[19:06] <Upu> typing like me on a good day
[19:06] <Upu> ah rgr
[19:06] <eroomde> fat fingers ysee
[19:07] <Upu> ipad "keyboard" is totally ship
[19:08] <eroomde> i get it
[19:08] <Upu> thx thought it had gone over everyones heads
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[19:09] <eroomde> my head is higher this eve
[19:09] <eroomde> thanks to wine
[19:09] <eroomde> oh and sleep
[19:09] <eroomde> first for months
[19:11] <nick_> Aha
[19:11] <nick_> I started again and I'm trying to sort out all the chip connections first.
[19:12] <eroomde> for 2 layers i try and do mostly grnd on the bottom
[19:12] <eroomde> signals on the top
[19:12] <eroomde> you can surpress the ground air wires initially in esgle so u only see signal ones
[19:13] <nick_> Oh
[19:13] <eroomde> that can make it easier to get an idea of the topology
[19:13] <nick_> Is it bad to pass GND through a via?
[19:13] <eroomde> then when youve dnenthe signals just drop vias down to ground on te bottom next to the ground pins
[19:13] <nick_> Because my main chip is SMD
[19:13] <eroomde> no no fine
[19:13] <nick_> OK
[19:13] <eroomde> thats normal dont worry
[19:13] <nick_> How do I hide GND?
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[19:14] <eroomde> right click on a gnd pin or airwire
[19:14] <eroomde> properties
[19:14] <eroomde> 'hide airwaires' or something, checkox at bottom
[19:15] <eroomde> woo typing
[19:15] <SpeedEvil> nick_: what is the chip?
[19:15] <nick_> MAX999 comparator
[19:15] <SpeedEvil> nick_: what are you trying to make?
[19:15] <nick_> A cosmic ray detecotr
[19:15] <nick_> detector :)
[19:16] <eroomde> when your flight computer crashes randomly, you have detected one
[19:16] <Upu> just turn off layer 19 in Eagle if you want the air wires gone
[19:17] <eroomde> or that
[19:20] <daveake> eroomde My flight on Sunday had a sea detector - it rebooted when it hit it
[19:22] <eroomde> best kind
[19:23] <daveake> The "salt-water ingress" detector worked later on when it stopped transmitting
[19:23] <Randomskk> early Wombat versions had a temperature sensor
[19:24] <Randomskk> the radio stopped working if the temperature was outside a narrow band ;D
[19:24] <daveake> :)
[19:24] <nick_> woot
[19:24] <nick_> Design done
[19:26] <nick_> How do I get eagle to tell me the total size of the board?
[19:27] <nigelvh> Top left corner it shows the current position of the cursor. Simply place your cursor on the top right corner.
[19:29] <SpeedEvil> And now you find out that it's 6 millimeters square.
[19:29] <SpeedEvil> :)
[19:30] <nigelvh> Well, apparently my soldering skillz aren't quite up to yours speedevil, I'm not working with nano-scale parts yet.
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[19:32] <Laurenceb_> http://uk.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TAOS/TSL238T/?qs=Gqueeq5Y7AuGn4ILt%2fr2uA%3d%3d
[19:32] <Laurenceb_> nice device
[19:33] <Laurenceb_> apparently those things use charge integrate and dump (like a cmos pixel), not a transimpedance amplifier
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[19:37] <Laurenceb_> so using a micro with decent xtal and input capture its crazy low noise
[19:39] <nosebleedkt> today my boss at work told me not to wear shorts
[19:39] <nosebleedkt> :P
[19:39] <nosebleedkt> short trousers
[19:39] <nosebleedkt> :P
[19:41] <nigelvh> Where do you work?
[19:42] <nosebleedkt> IT company
[19:42] <nosebleedkt> greece, lol
[19:42] <nigelvh> Odd. Normally IT companies are pretty cool with tevas, shorts, and ratty t-shirts.
[19:42] <nosebleedkt> yesterday I went to work like a zombie. i didnt sleep the previous night.
[19:42] <nosebleedkt> and everybody told me that i look like hell
[19:43] <nosebleedkt> and today when i arrived there
[19:43] <nosebleedkt> he said goodmorning kosta
[19:43] <nosebleedkt> we dont wear shorts here
[19:43] <nosebleedkt> :P
[19:43] <nigelvh> hmmm
[19:44] <nosebleedkt> i think it was a reaction to calibrate me
[19:44] <nosebleedkt> :P
[19:44] <nigelvh> Are you new there?
[19:44] <nosebleedkt> so i dont start being too much on my own
[19:44] <nosebleedkt> yes
[19:44] <fsphil-laptop> I'd freeze to death if I wore shorts
[19:44] <nosebleedkt> the newest and younger
[19:44] <nosebleedkt> :)
[19:45] <nigelvh> I don't like shorts anyway, but if I couldn't wear my jeans and a t-shirt, that'd be unpleasant.
[19:45] <Randomskk> meh
[19:45] <Randomskk> working in a suit every day isn't awful, working in smart trousers and a shirt is fine
[19:45] <Laurenceb_> dude you are lucky to have a job in greece
[19:45] <fsphil-laptop> yea- we dress pretty casually at our place
[19:45] <Laurenceb_> id do what he says if i were you
[19:45] <Randomskk> t-shirt and jeans is probably best though :P
[19:46] Action: fsphil-laptop would be fine with smart trousers, but I can't stand shirts
[19:46] <Randomskk> still it's nice to dress a bit smart now and again
[19:46] <Randomskk> fsphil-laptop: get better shirts
[19:46] <fsphil-laptop> they're all awful
[19:46] <nosebleedkt> he didnt tell me to wear jeans. I told him i wear sports stuff
[19:46] <nosebleedkt> he said ok
[19:46] <Randomskk> nasty shirts are awful
[19:46] <nosebleedkt> just not shorts
[19:47] <nigelvh> You could swap for really tight bicycle riding pants. I bet they'd love those.
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[19:48] <nosebleedkt> :P
[19:48] <nick_> If I want to minimise noise would it be wise to basically make one isde into a massive GND plane?
[19:48] <nigelvh> Generally I put ground planes on all unused areas of the board.
[19:49] <nick_> The top is pretty busy...
[19:49] <Randomskk> nick_: yea
[19:49] <nosebleedkt> anyway goodnight all
[19:49] <Randomskk> if you can, having the entire bottom be an (unbroken!) ground plane is good
[19:49] <Randomskk> breaking it quickly makes it mostly pointless
[19:49] <fsphil-laptop> night mr. kt
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[19:50] <nick_> And in eagle I just make a polygon called GND?
[19:50] <Randomskk> yea
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[19:54] <nick_> Should it just look like a rectangle with dashed edges?
[19:54] <nick_> Or filled in?
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[19:56] <Upu> nick_
[19:56] <Upu> type poly gnd
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[19:56] <Upu> then draw a big square all the way round
[19:56] <Upu> then copy it and change the copy to bottom layer
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[20:00] <Randomskk> nick_: it fills in when you hit the ratsnest button
[20:00] <Upu> yeah that too
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[20:01] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/3MHNc.png
[20:01] <Laurenceb_> my latest pcb fail
[20:01] <Randomskk> looks like that will be fun
[20:02] <Upu> enjoy :)
[20:02] <Laurenceb_> hehe
[20:02] <nick_> Would anyone mind having a quick look at my design to make sure I've not done anything stupid?
[20:02] <Laurenceb_> ill give it a week
[20:02] <Randomskk> is it for your blood thing?
[20:02] <Laurenceb_> yes
[20:02] <Randomskk> nick_: sure
[20:02] <Laurenceb_> 30% pcb area version
[20:02] <Randomskk> :P
[20:02] <Laurenceb_> its going on a diet
[20:03] <nick_> Randomskk: I just need to upload the .brd?
[20:05] <Randomskk> uh
[20:05] <Randomskk> honestly a png works better for me
[20:12] <nick_> http://www-pnp.physics.ox.ac.uk/~ryder/board.png
[20:13] <Laurenceb_> oxford physics eh?
[20:15] <Laurenceb_> i used to be over at atmospheric, see you are in DWB :P
[20:15] <nick_> Hmm, I appear to have a random via on the bottom right pin
[20:15] <nick_> But if I try to delete it then it tells me to delete it on the schematic, but I can't see any via there...
[20:16] <Laurenceb_> yeah it doesnt let you
[20:16] <Laurenceb_> you need to ripup
[20:17] <Laurenceb_> bottom of the left hand side menu panel
[20:18] <nick_> Cool
[20:18] <nick_> The GND plane means I don't need any GND wires on top, right?
[20:19] <nick_> (except between my SMD's GND and a via?
[20:20] <Randomskk> yea
[20:21] <Randomskk> nick_: btw you can use quite a lot thicker traces and also circular vias are happier
[20:24] <nick_> OK
[20:24] <nick_> How do I change to circular via?
[20:24] <nick_> And change the trace size?
[20:25] <Laurenceb_> top
[20:26] <Laurenceb_> where it says "width"
[20:26] <nick_> I can't see a "width"
[20:27] <nick_> Ah, found it when I selected the wire tool
[20:27] <nick_> But it didn't appear to update things
[20:27] <nigelvh> That setting only applies to new ones you draw
[20:27] <Laurenceb_> oh you need "change"
[20:27] <nigelvh> You have to right click and choose properties on existing traces to change size.
[20:27] <Laurenceb_> the spanner symbol
[20:28] <nigelvh> Also, the via shape option will show up only in the via tool
[20:28] <nigelvh> or in properties.
[20:29] <nick_> Why are round ones better?
[20:30] <Laurenceb_> smaller
[20:30] <nick_> http://www-pnp.physics.ox.ac.uk/~ryder/board.png
[20:31] <nick_> I updated the image
[20:31] <nick_> Any obvious complaints?
[20:31] <Randomskk> so one thing is that 90 degree bends in PCB traces are a bit sad
[20:32] <Randomskk> but honestly unlikely to be a major deal.
[20:32] <Randomskk> however some people think it looks better to have all 45 degree turns
[20:32] <Laurenceb_> also SMD is really not too hard
[20:32] <Laurenceb_> -surface mount
[20:32] <Randomskk> yea you might want to consider using surface mount resistors and capacitors
[20:32] <nigelvh> On non AC links with reasonably sized traces, I don't think 90 degree stuff is too bad.
[20:32] <Randomskk> nigelvh: it's really a non issue, just aesthetic :P
[20:33] <nigelvh> Yeah
[20:33] <Randomskk> oh, where you have that 10k resistor at the bottom, it's nice to not have traces run through component mounting holes like that
[20:33] <Randomskk> you could just have the trace and then a short branch to the resistor
[20:33] <Randomskk> but really, that's all silly
[20:33] <Randomskk> you could fabricate that PCB and it'd be fine.
[20:33] <nigelvh> At rf they can be issues, but otherwise you're alright. My understanding is a lot of it is a holdover from when PCB manufacturing was crappy and small 90 degree corners would fail
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[20:37] <nick_> It'd be better to have it go through the 10k all horizontal?
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[20:40] <nigelvh> Why are there vias that don't connect to anything?
[20:40] <nick_> nigelvh: you checked the updated one?
[20:41] <nick_> (same URL)
[20:41] <nigelvh> Oh, that's much better.
[20:41] <nick_> :D
[20:41] <nick_> Time to head home.
[20:41] <nick_> Thanks for the help.
[20:41] <Laurenceb_> cya
[20:42] <nigelvh> Have a good one.
[20:43] <nick_> Good night
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[22:06] <Xsaron> hi
[22:06] <Xsaron> anyone not afk?
[22:10] <Xsaron> I was wondering if there's a way to view previous flights on a map
[22:10] <Xsaron> *registered
[22:10] <Randomskk> yea
[22:10] <Randomskk> kinda
[22:10] <Randomskk> for some flights, and if a proper flight doc was set up
[22:10] <Randomskk> one sec
[22:11] <Randomskk> http://habitat.habhub.org/testing-web/demo.html
[22:11] <Randomskk> click GMaps at the top
[22:11] <Randomskk> then the flight list loads
[22:11] <Randomskk> click Track next to the flight you want
[22:12] <Randomskk> might take a while the first time
[22:12] <Xsaron> nice
[22:12] <Xsaron> that's what I was looking for!
[22:13] <Randomskk> it's a rough demo really
[22:13] <Xsaron> is there an easy way to implement a specific map in a site?
[22:13] <Randomskk> hopefully soon ish we'll have a nicer version
[22:13] <Xsaron> uhu
[22:13] <Xsaron> :)
[22:13] <Randomskk> no, not at the moment
[22:13] <Randomskk> sadly no good way to link either
[22:13] <Randomskk> I recommend taking a screenshot and embeddeding the picture
[22:14] <Xsaron> owkay, that should do it in the mean time ^^
[22:16] <Xsaron> whe're using it in a school project
[22:17] <Xsaron> (in Belgium)
[22:18] <Randomskk> cool
[22:20] <Xsaron> and is there a way to get the old data from an external site? (so that you don't have to fill in the fields by hand but use a link)
[22:20] <Xsaron> http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/
[22:20] <Randomskk> oh
[22:20] <Randomskk> well
[22:21] <Randomskk> there kind of is, but it's the raw database data
[22:21] <Randomskk> you might be better just copying the data from that /ept/ and pasting it onto somewhere like pastebin.com
[22:21] <Xsaron> i don't think that's a problem : ) as long as the fields are separated
[22:21] <Xsaron> hm ok
[22:21] <Xsaron> good idea
[22:21] <Randomskk> it's like this.
[22:21] <Randomskk> http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/_design/habitat/_view/payload_telemetry?startkey=[%22WOMBAT%22,0]&endkey=[%22WOMBAT%22,%22end%22]&include_docs=true
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[22:22] <Xsaron> ok thx!µ
[22:22] <Randomskk> no problem
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[22:30] <smrtz> ok guys, so my teacher needs me to give him a parts list. anyone see anything wrong with what I have now?
[22:30] <smrtz> arduino pro mini -- amazon.com
[22:31] <smrtz> nxt2 (434.650Mhz) -- ava.upuaut.net
[22:31] <smrtz> uBLOX MAX-6 Breakoutboard with Sarantel Antenna -- ava.upuaut.net
[22:32] <smrtz> 20' weather balloon (600g lift) -- amazon.com
[22:33] <Randomskk> parachute
[22:33] <Randomskk> case
[22:33] <Randomskk> rigging cord
[22:33] <Randomskk> filling kit
[22:33] <smrtz> 2ft parachute -- 12.aitsafe.com
[22:33] <Randomskk> helium
[22:33] <Randomskk> breadboard or prototyping board and wire etc
[22:33] <smrtz> Randomskk, filling kit?
[22:33] <Randomskk> smrtz: something to put helium into the balloon and measure lift or similar
[22:34] <smrtz> ahh, what do you recomend? or is there a filling kit I can buy online?
[22:34] <Randomskk> might mean a gas regulator (you might loan this) and maybe some hose plus something you can roll the balloon neck over like some piping maybe
[22:34] <daveake> radio receiver 70cm/SSB
[22:34] <Randomskk> radio receiver's a good one
[22:34] <Randomskk> antenna for both
[22:34] <smrtz> daveake: still working on that one....
[22:34] <jonsowman> duct tape
[22:34] <jonsowman> cable ties
[22:34] <jonsowman> ¬.¬
[22:34] <daveake> filling kit: hose + hose clip + waste pipe
[22:34] <daveake> more duct tape
[22:35] <smrtz> ahh ok, so garden hose scrap, and a clamp?
[22:35] <daveake> yep
[22:35] <smrtz> whats the waste pipe for?
[22:35] <daveake> Put the balloon neck over it to fill
[22:35] <Xsaron> in belgium you need the approval of the government to launch a weather balloon
[22:35] <Xsaron> (not really the government, but the air traffic control)
[22:36] <Xsaron> I don't know if that's needed overthere
[22:36] <smrtz> ahh, ok. good idea, I was thinking zip ties.
[22:36] <Xsaron> *necessary
[22:36] <smrtz> Xsaron: its
[22:36] <smrtz> it
[22:36] <daveake> balloon filler - http://ukhas.org.uk/ideas:balloon_filler
[22:36] <smrtz> 's not over here**
[22:36] <jonsowman> smrtz: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/6874793964/in/set-72157629680728261
[22:36] <smrtz> sorry, new keybord
[22:37] <jonsowman> ah, daveake got there first
[22:37] <jonsowman> that's the mass flow meter by the way daveake ^
[22:37] <daveake> Yeah I guessed
[22:37] <daveake> Want
[22:37] <daveake> :D
[22:37] <jonsowman> :)
[22:38] <daveake> smrtz You will also need car + petrol to chase, and aerial (e.g. magnetic-mount whip) for the car
[22:39] <daveake> Audio lead to connect radio to a laptop
[22:39] <daveake> 3G connection in the car
[22:39] <smrtz> wait, daveake, I'm looking at your link, and I dont really get it.
[22:39] <smrtz> yeah, we have those. exept for the magnet whip, I'll be taping it to my antenna
[22:40] <smrtz> (radio antenna to car antenna)
[22:40] <smrtz> so, the filling kit, how far down the pipe does the balloon go, and what keeps it there?
[22:41] <daveake> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sealing_the_balloon
[22:41] <daveake> There's a pattern here .... :p
[22:42] <smrtz> yeah, lol...
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[22:43] <daveake> anyway, early start for me tomorrow so night all
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[22:51] <smrtz> other than that what else do I need?
[22:52] <jonsowman> a notam, a fair chunk of luck and good weather :)
[22:53] <smrtz> awesome, thanks guys.
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