highaltitude.log.20120506

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[00:46] <SolarNRG> Has anyone in here got a working induction melter?
[00:49] <SpeedEvil> Yes.
[00:49] <SpeedEvil> Aldi - 29.99
[00:50] <SpeedEvil> http://www.aldi.co.uk/uk/html/offers/special_buys3_24268.htm
[00:50] <SpeedEvil> Admittedly, it will only melt foils.
[00:50] <SpeedEvil> Or, I suspect rings
[00:54] <SolarNRG> If I wanted a desktop titanium melter, what's the best way to go about it? I've been trying for months to do it the microwave way and I haven't even been able to melt zinc
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[00:57] <SpeedEvil> Does it need to be electric?
[00:58] <SpeedEvil> Ti is problematic
[00:58] <SpeedEvil> needs a vacuum furnace
[00:58] <SolarNRG> Why?
[00:58] <SolarNRG> OXidation?
[00:59] <SpeedEvil> Oh - inert should work too I guess
[00:59] <SpeedEvil> You can't use an atmosphere with any oxygen or nitrogen in, it would need to be argon or ...
[01:00] <SolarNRG> So I need to weld shut an openable closable box with an induction loop and a pump that I can pump the air out of
[01:00] <SolarNRG> Will it matter if I open the chamber and the molten titanium is suddenly exposed to air?
[01:01] <SolarNRG> So I can pour it?
[01:01] <SpeedEvil> just purge it with argon
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[01:01] <SpeedEvil> It may well catch fire
[01:02] <SolarNRG> I've set zinc on fire, it burns white
[01:02] <SolarNRG> I done that in the microwave
[01:02] <SolarNRG> Took about 10 seconds after I opened the lid
[01:02] <SolarNRG> then it ignited
[01:02] <SolarNRG> so i put the lid back on
[01:02] <SolarNRG> then ran away and took some deep breaths cos I know zinc oxide vapour is not nice
[01:04] <SolarNRG> Really I want to cast a titanium carbide rocket thruster cone
[01:04] <SolarNRG> de lavel nossle
[01:05] <SpeedEvil> Casting Ti has nothing to do with that
[01:05] <SolarNRG> Are you telling me that titanium carbide would not be suitable as a rocket thruster combustion chamber, nossle, bell?
[01:06] <SpeedEvil> Just that casting metallic Ti is irrelevant to making structures from TiC
[01:07] <SpeedEvil> Also - TiC - I think will be quite oxidisable
[01:08] <SolarNRG> OK, say you wanted to do a lost wax cast of a thruster chamber, you 3d printed the design, you platinum cure negative molded it, you poured in the wax you have a wax replica, what do I do now to turn it into a rocket nossle?
[01:09] <SpeedEvil> make a regeneratively cooled rocket nozzle of copper, for one
[01:09] <SolarNRG> copper? That'll oxidize loads, has a low melting point and would be shit
[01:09] <SolarNRG> But I do understand you telling me as a n00b to walk b4 I can run
[01:12] <SpeedEvil> regeneratively cooled
[01:13] <SolarNRG> There's always the applatable option
[01:13] <SolarNRG> The current most powerful rocket in the world, the Delta IV heavy's engines prefer applatable over regen
[01:15] <SpeedEvil> Ablative, you mean
[01:15] <SolarNRG> That's the one yeah
[01:16] <SolarNRG> I.e. bits of the inside of the engine burn and break off and another layer burns then breaks on and so on
[01:20] <SolarNRG> The F-1 engine used Inconel metal
[01:20] <SolarNRG> Low coef of thermic expansion
[01:23] Nick change: spcekitteh -> spacekitteh
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[02:14] <griffonbot> @ukjerry007: @ukjerry007: @UKCoachCalipari Has shown again the Gold standard. 1st coach ever 2 give a Champ Ring to the POTUS! #way2goCal. #BBN #UKhas [http://twitter.com/ukjerry007/status/198958904770691072]
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[02:27] <acg> hey guys. how hard would it be to make a small blimp or similar arrangement that followed a gps route? I'm not sure how well that type of device scales down
[02:28] <acg> the payload would just be the circuitry and maybe a small camera/etc
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[04:18] <SamSilver> acg: check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSkvW2uO0DI
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[04:49] <SamSilver> daveake: morning
[04:49] <daveake> very much so!
[04:49] <SamSilver> daveake: all yor prep done and dusted?
[04:49] <daveake> lol
[04:49] <daveake> Yeah, pretty much :)
[04:49] <SamSilver> all good with the "egg"?
[04:49] <daveake> Off soon to Cambs
[04:50] <daveake> egg is good :-)
[04:50] <SamSilver> more pics soon or will it be a surprise?
[04:50] <daveake> Did you see the flickr set?
[04:50] <SamSilver> yip
[04:50] <daveake> That's all for the egg (Cloud)
[04:51] <SamSilver> 2nd payload could it be "bacon"?
[04:51] <daveake> Got some for the ball (Buzz) ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/sets/72157629973059769/
[04:52] <SamSilver> nice
[04:54] <daveake> Uploading more now. That one will need a little bit of assembly on site but that shouldn't take long
[04:55] <SamSilver> great
[04:58] <daveake> jonsowman - if you're awake already :-), the channel title times should be BST not GMT
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[05:15] <daveake> More photos in the Buzz set - http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/sets/72157629973059769/
[05:26] <daveake> off to cambs. see y'all later.
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[05:55] <number10> looks like you left just as I logged in daveake :)
[06:06] <Darkside> http://projecthorus.org/predict/#!/uuid=f46026317d14b1d2f4bfee42e2ba84bbb4a482be
[06:06] <Darkside> good lord
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[06:12] <Upu> morning
[06:12] <Darkside> hey
[06:12] <Upu> too much cheers last night meh
[06:15] <Darkside> heh
[06:15] <Darkside> Upu: http://projecthorus.org/predict/#!/uuid=608287a2fe3008e4d964033a8ddd0376c9ba438b
[06:15] <Upu> yeah
[06:15] <Darkside> that is one of the scariest predictions i've ever seen
[06:15] <Darkside> there is a road through there
[06:15] <Darkside> but good lord
[06:15] <Darkside> thats a GODDAMN long way
[06:15] <Upu> apart from the fact its landing in the middle of /dev/null looks fine
[06:15] <Darkside> lol middle of /dev/null
[06:15] <Darkside> also there is *no* internet coverage out there
[06:16] <Darkside> for obvious reasons
[06:16] <Darkside> also no VHF repeaters
[06:16] <Darkside> we'll be stuck with HF only
[06:18] <Darkside> that means none of you guys will see what happened to the balloon once it drops out of range of the ground stations
[06:20] <Upu> yup
[06:21] <Upu> time to invest in satellite internets ?
[06:21] <Upu> was FALCON recovered ?
[06:25] <Darkside> nfi
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[07:01] <jonsowman> morning all
[07:02] #highaltitude: mode change '+o jonsowman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[07:03] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jonsowman!jonsowman@kryten.hexoc.com: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk - XABEN, ANU/CLOUD and BUZZ Launches 0900-1000BST 06/05/12 from Elsworth, Cambridgeshire, UK
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[07:10] <nosebleedkt> hi jonsowman
[07:12] <navrac> morning jonsowman
[07:12] <jonsowman> hello :)#
[07:12] <jonsowman> just finishing my cuppa then heading over the launch site
[07:12] <navrac> early launches today then
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[07:13] <jonsowman> get them in the air before the rockets
[07:13] <jonsowman> i think is the general idea
[07:14] <Upu> video not up yet
[07:14] <Upu> whos launching the rockets ?
[07:15] <jonsowman> today's an EARS launch day
[07:15] <navrac> ah..
[07:15] <jonsowman> NOTAM hours for rockets are 10am onwards, so we're ok until then
[07:16] <navrac> is the UTC or BST?
[07:16] <jonsowman> BST
[07:16] <navrac> oh right - so very early then
[07:16] <jonsowman> yep
[07:17] <navrac> well the masts up so I'm fine here
[07:21] Nick change: Upu -> Upu_2E0UPU
[07:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> Gorgeous day for it
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[07:25] <Colin-G8TMV> morning,
[07:26] Action: Colin-G8TMV left the mast up overnight
[07:26] Action: Colin-G8TMV will be back after breakfast!
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[08:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> morning daveake
[08:02] <daveake> morning
[08:02] <daveake> No XABEN launch this morning
[08:03] <navrac> morning daveake
[08:03] <daveake> So we're getting unpacked then doing number10's first
[08:03] <daveake> video coming soon when we're adjusted our trousers to avoid any builders bum comments :D
[08:03] <daveake> we've
[08:03] <Colin-G8TMV> lol
[08:04] <Upu_2E0UPU> ok cool you have people waiting to see your butt crack daveake so chop chop
[08:04] <navrac> whats happened to xaben?
[08:05] <Upu_2E0UPU> not sure but NOTAM is only for 3 launches per day I think
[08:05] <Colin-G8TMV> and who would have thought that would be a problem when they set the NOTAM up
[08:07] <navrac> There are only 2 ballons though as isnt anu/cloud one balloon#
[08:07] <navrac> and buzz the other?
[08:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> I believe thats the case yes
[08:08] <daveake> xaben - Steve had gps lock issues
[08:08] <daveake> anu/cloud first, then buzz
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[08:14] <daveake> cloud online now
[08:14] <Upu_2E0UPU> see it
[08:14] <daveake> woohoo I got one running first :D
[08:14] <Upu_2E0UPU> video isn't :)
[08:14] <daveake> justamo
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[08:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> its Dave!
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[08:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> siloutted though :)
[08:16] <Upu_2E0UPU> bright sky
[08:16] <Upu_2E0UPU> looks good
[08:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> whos hovering next to Steve ? jonsowman ?
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[08:31] <Upu_2E0UPU> oh I see Dave
[08:32] <fsphil> der ist video?
[08:33] <Upu_2E0UPU> ja
[08:33] <Upu_2E0UPU> though I think it just froze
[08:34] <Upu_2E0UPU> ping daveake video stopped
[08:35] <Morseman> Any update on launch times please?
[08:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> I'd guess @ 30-40 mins
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[08:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> looks like daves internet blobbed
[08:37] <fsphil> that explains the video freeze
[08:42] <fsphil> ah well, time for breakfast :)
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[08:47] <Morseman> Thanks Upu_2E0UPU
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[08:49] <MrScienceMan> did they recover vortex and helioss the other day?
[08:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> not sure
[08:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> Anu on the map
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[08:51] <Upu_2E0UPU> ah hello number10 :)
[08:51] <number10> hi Upu_2E0UPU
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[08:51] <Upu_2E0UPU> tell Dave his internet broke
[08:51] <number10> ANU dial is 434.0732
[08:51] <number10> will tell him
[08:51] <Upu_2E0UPU> thx
[08:52] <Upu_2E0UPU> Cloud & Anu going up together ?
[08:52] <andrew_apex> Any preference for if I track Anu or Cloud?
[08:52] <Upu_2E0UPU> I think they are together so either or
[08:52] <andrew_apex> ok, cool
[08:52] <daveake> netbook shut down so video stopped
[08:52] <daveake> back on now
[08:53] <daveake> Mondo is filling so I pointed the camera at that
[08:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> yup I can see you now
[08:53] <andrew_apex> :D
[08:53] <daveake> cloud and anu going up together
[08:53] <daveake> Not started inflation yet
[08:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> ok
[08:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> what frequency is Mondo on ?
[08:53] <daveake> I'll ask
[08:54] <Upu_2E0UPU> and when you're back nudge the camera to your right, the bright sky is naffing up the contrast
[08:54] <Upu_2E0UPU> looks windy
[08:54] <SamSilver_> video link please
[08:54] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://www.batc.tv
[08:54] <Upu_2E0UPU> select member streams -> 2E0UPU
[08:54] <SamSilver_> thanx Upu_2E0UPU
[08:54] <andrew_apex> is that a howeyogyeee?
[08:55] <Upu_2E0UPU> most likely
[08:55] <daveake> mondo 434.375
[08:55] <Upu_2E0UPU> thx
[08:55] Action: andrew_apex waves at daveake
[08:56] <daveake> windy here, so I'll prolly overfill rather than risk a wet landing
[08:56] <Upu_2E0UPU> yup
[08:56] <Upu_2E0UPU> live predictor is set @ 35k
[08:56] <Upu_2E0UPU> want me to up it ?
[08:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> I'll set it to 38km
[08:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> no XABEN launch today then
[08:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> interesting prediction they come back across the launch site
[08:58] <SamSilver_> looks pretty gusty
[08:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> yep
[08:59] <Morseman> Is Mondo going 1st?
[09:04] <SamSilver_> Mondo-1 on the map
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[09:06] <SamSilver_> ANU does not have alti lock
[09:06] <Morseman> Vid Stream people say ANU/Cloud 1st
[09:07] <daveake> mondo off to launch now#
[09:07] <SamSilver_> 10:53] <daveake> cloud and anu going up together
[09:07] <SamSilver_> daveake: ANU seems to be lacking altitude lock
[09:08] <daveake> alt stuck on anu?
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[09:08] <daveake> stwange
[09:08] <daveake> yeah, I told dave just now
[09:08] <daveake> he said |"not a lot i can do"
[09:08] <daveake> ok no gps not changing
[09:09] <daveake> he's off to investigate
[09:09] <SamSilver_> k
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[09:10] <Morseman> Did Mondo-1 get a listing for FLDigi? Can't find one
[09:10] <daveake> mondo up
[09:10] <Morseman> Do we have a dial freq from trackers at site?
[09:11] <fsphil> mondo's doc is never updated
[09:11] <fsphil> one sec
[09:11] <Colin-G8TMV> ok, I've got mondo
[09:11] <Morseman> What freq Colin-G8TMV?
[09:11] <Colin-G8TMV> I can't tack ANU, I've got some sort of pulse QRM on that freq
[09:12] <Colin-G8TMV> 434.3766
[09:12] <Morseman> Thanks
[09:12] <Colin-G8TMV> +11dB
[09:12] <G3VZV_Graham> 434.379.5
[09:12] <fsphil> is it MONDO-1 or just MONDO?
[09:12] <daveake> anu fixed - gps connector had come off
[09:13] <daveake> no idea re mondo
[09:13] <G3VZV_Graham> mondo-1
[09:15] <Colin-G8TMV> mondo/mondo-1 doesn't seem to make any difference
[09:16] <fsphil> I've re-added the document for mondo-1
[09:16] <Morseman> Thanks fsphil
[09:16] <Morseman> No sigs here yet
[09:16] <fsphil> if it doesn't work give me a shout
[09:18] <Morseman> Looks OK for settings - no sigs yet so don't know if fields will populate as yet
[09:19] <Morseman> Weak sigs now om 434.377.64
[09:20] <SamSilver_> daveake: any chance of filming mondo when it flys past just now?
[09:20] <SamSilver_> hmmm cloud cover seems low
[09:21] <navrac> ill try reloading fldigi and see if it works - cant decode it atm
[09:21] <Morseman> Seems to be working :-)
[09:21] <cuddykid> what gps is ANU running?
[09:22] <fsphil> that sky looks awful
[09:23] <navrac> starting to decode
[09:24] <Morseman> Ah, the time is not populating in FLDigi on MONDO
[09:24] <SamSilver_> mondo turning around and comming back .... anyidea if it is above cloud height?
[09:24] <Morseman> Also, although checksum is saying OK and getting green in decode I don't appear in the lists again
[09:25] <Upu_2E0UPU> above low cloud I'd guess
[09:25] <Morseman> It seems to stop at points in TX and send a tone
[09:25] <Upu_2E0UPU> which payload do you have selected ?
[09:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> its MONDO-1
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[09:26] <Colin-G8TMV> Can someone delete the glitch data point that has ANU at 13136m ;)
[09:27] <Morseman> Not updating the possition since the 1st decode either :-(
[09:27] <priyesh> apexhab tracking station decoding from south london :)
[09:27] <Colin-G8TMV> Morseman: yes, I noticed too, I think it's while it converts the next bit of data to characters
[09:27] <Morseman> Yes, MONDO-1
[09:27] <andrew_apex> priyesh: dial freq?
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[09:27] <priyesh> andrew_apex: 434.377.65
[09:28] <Morseman> Says MONDO-1:MONDO1,MONDO-2
[09:28] <priyesh> MONDO-1
[09:29] <fsphil> don't click the 'show testing' box
[09:29] <fsphil> it should appear in the live list now
[09:30] <SamSilver_> mondo doing a fly past at the moment at about 3000m alti and 1000m to the south
[09:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> when CLOUD/ANU launches if some of the closer stations could retune to those
[09:31] <priyesh> Upu_2E0UPU: when are you planning to release?
[09:31] <priyesh> was MONDO early?
[09:31] <Morseman> Altitude is changing but not lat/long
[09:31] <priyesh> if so, it's the first HAB launch which is before schedule :P
[09:32] <Morseman> Have 52.25478 by 0.06368 and not moving
[09:32] <Colin-G8TMV> Morseman: which payload?
[09:33] <Morseman> decodes say +5215.4286 by -0003.4203
[09:33] <Darkside> hmm
[09:33] <Morseman> Mondo-1
[09:33] <Colin-G8TMV> At the top of the dl-fldigi window in the row of data boxes - what is the bearing one supposed to show?
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[09:34] <Morseman> I'm giving up - my set up never seems to work See you all later - going to help my grand daaughter with drawing instead
[09:34] <Upu_2E0UPU> I'm not onsite priyesh
[09:34] <Colin-G8TMV> Morseman: then you have a problem - I'm seeing moving data
[09:35] <andrew_apex> very slowly getting stronger here
[09:35] <fsphil> I'd better turn my radio on or I'll not be seeing anything
[09:36] <Upu_2E0UPU> that balloon looks full
[09:37] <fsphil> very
[09:38] <SamSilver_> two payloads below that balloon
[09:38] <navrac> cant find the batc link? - has the name of the stream changed?
[09:38] <fsphil> I'm totally confused by what's flying today, who's doing what?
[09:38] <fsphil> I know that steve's not launching
[09:38] <SamSilver_> http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php
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[09:39] <G3VZV_Graham> batc.tv select members streams and 2e0upu
[09:39] <Morseman> It's version 3.21.38 problem again - changed to previous version and that is working...
[09:39] <fsphil> members streams -> 2E0UPU
[09:39] <SamSilver_> look under upu / members streams or somthing like that
[09:39] <fsphil> stream's just died :)
[09:39] <navrac> just needed to reload - upu had dissapeared off the list
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[09:39] <navrac> just in time for the stream to die
[09:40] <Morseman> Except the distance is crazy in 3.20.29 Argh!!!
[09:40] <fsphil> lol
[09:40] <fsphil> what coordinate style are they using?
[09:40] <fsphil> it's probably not configured properly
[09:41] <Dutch-Mill> Moring Y'all whats ANU's frequency ?
[09:41] <fsphil> daveake, http://i.imgur.com/j0EIi.png
[09:41] <Morseman> Seems a strange Lat/Long TX string 4 digits before the decimal place...
[09:41] <Elmar_PD3EM> Dutch-Mill: Goedemorgen! 434.377
[09:41] <fsphil> it could be the gps-style coordinates
[09:41] <fsphil> one sec
[09:41] <Colin-G8TMV> no, thats mondo not ANU
[09:42] <Elmar_PD3EM> sorry... to fast
[09:42] <SamSilver_> fsphil: thats what i saw and the alien was soooo on the mark
[09:42] <Morseman> ANU will be 434.075MHz
[09:42] <Dutch-Mill> Morgen Elmar heb je HOWEST nog gevonden?
[09:43] <SamSilver_> daveake: video frozen
[09:43] <Elmar_PD3EM> Dutch-Mill: nee, er reden een aantal auto's van het team achteraan en Zierikzee is een eindje4 weg
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[09:43] <fsphil> that is a really odd coordinate system mondo is using
[09:43] <Upu_2E0UPU> his laptop will have gone to sleep
[09:43] <Colin-G8TMV> Can someone with server access delete the glitch data point that has ANU at 13136m ;)
[09:43] <Dutch-Mill> Yep zite veel water tussen ;-)
[09:43] <Dutch-Mill> zit
[09:44] <fsphil> I've access but I'm not sure how to find specific points
[09:44] <priyesh> probably directly on the mysql db
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[09:45] <fsphil> Morseman, if you go into the payload config in the older dl-fldigi you should see the NMEA coordinates tickboxes
[09:45] <fsphil> tick both and it should calculate distance fine
[09:45] <Morseman> Spacenear.us seems to be having probs with the MONDO co-ordinates as well...
[09:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> cloud and anu ready to go
[09:46] <Colin-G8TMV> dial for cloud? and I'll switch
[09:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> can the closer stations switch
[09:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> not sure waiting on confirmation
[09:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> hang on ANU is on...
[09:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.0732
[09:47] <Colin-G8TMV> I can't do ANU, I've got local QRM on that freq
[09:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> it supo
[09:47] <Elmar_PD3EM> Cambridge, we have a lift-off ;-)
[09:48] <Morseman> Can't find those settings in 3.20.29 fsphil...
[09:48] <navrac> Ill stick with mondo - there are closer stations for anu
[09:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> whats dial on Cloud G8KNN ?
[09:48] <Morseman> I'll see if ANU is better
[09:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> Morseman see if you can get ANU
[09:48] <Boggle> 434.19644
[09:49] <daveake> anu/cloud off buzzing a glider
[09:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> we saw :)
[09:49] <daveake> :)
[09:49] <Colin-G8TMV> I've got cloud on 434.196
[09:49] <daveake> sounds about right
[09:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> ok M0MDB got ANU
[09:49] <daveake> Was just under .200 here but it'll drop as it gets colder
[09:50] <Colin-G8TMV> cloud seems to have a wider split than advertised too
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[09:51] <SamSilver_> Can someone with server access delete the glitch data point that has ANU at 13136m ;)
[09:52] <Randomskk> hmm
[09:53] <Morseman> Sigs from ANU but too weak for full decode yet
[09:53] <navrac> g3vzv appears to be a one man multiple tracking operation
[09:53] <Colin-G8TMV> decoding cloud ok here but it's drifting about quite a lot
[09:53] <costyn_> hi all
[09:53] <number10> thanks for spotting gps disconnection on Anu
[09:54] <Elmar_PD3EM> moguh!
[09:54] Action: costyn_ is hoping to catch some strings today with a yagi
[09:54] <Randomskk> SamSilver_: callsign?
[09:54] <Randomskk> or has someone already deleted it?
[09:54] <Upu_2E0UPU> I fixed it Randomskk
[09:54] <Randomskk> oh cool
[09:54] <Randomskk> that would explain why I couldn't find it in the database :P
[09:54] Nick change: number10 -> number10_M0MDB
[09:55] <Upu_2E0UPU> looks like a good spread on each payload
[09:55] <Morseman> ANU seems better for me
[09:55] <SamSilver_> Randomskk: ZS5JNB
[09:55] <SamSilver_> thanx
[09:56] <costyn_> Elmar_PD3EM / Dutch-Mill : you guys hearing anything yet? until you guys do I won't have to try with my dodgy setup :)
[09:56] <Colin-G8TMV> what are the nominal frequencies for the two tones? I know it doesn't really matter as long as they are in the audio passband
[09:56] <Elmar_PD3EM> costyn_: nill here on Mondo-1
[09:56] <costyn_> Elmar_PD3EM: thx
[09:57] <SamSilver_> anu / buzz doing fly by at the mo
[09:57] <Randomskk> Colin-G8TMV: I usually try and get the lower to 1kHz
[09:57] <Randomskk> nice and central
[09:57] <Randomskk> but if they're drifting fast, one side or the other makes more sense.
[09:58] <Colin-G8TMV> Randomskk: yeah, it would make it easier to give out dial freqs if everybody standardised
[09:58] <Randomskk> well dial freqs require hamlib or similar, but it's something else we're working on :P
[09:59] <Colin-G8TMV> Randomskk: No, dial freq is what you manually tune the radio to to find it!
[09:59] <ON5RZ> Mondo-1 3db
[09:59] <costyn_> anybody have any tips on how to port audio from line in to any output on a mac ? i have soundflower installed, but no clue what to configure to make it work
[09:59] <Upu_2E0UPU> PA3BXR new person :)
[09:59] <Randomskk> Colin-G8TMV: I know
[09:59] <Randomskk> but if your radio is hooked to the computer, dl-fldigi can work out the actual signal frequency
[10:00] <Randomskk> and upload it to others
[10:00] <Randomskk> well - could upload it to others, but doesn't currently
[10:00] <Randomskk> anyway exchanging dial frequency isn't really a problem -- whatever someone tells you, you'll get the signal in your passband
[10:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> Upu_2E0UPU: that's Rob, one of my club members
[10:00] <Randomskk> you always tweak from there
[10:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> Super Elmar nice recruiting
[10:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> ;-)
[10:01] <Upu_2E0UPU> MONDO is drifting down slowly
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[10:02] <Upu_2E0UPU> leave the stream going in the car daveake :)
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[10:02] <Upu_2E0UPU> MONDO-1 434.376.5
[10:03] <Colin-G8TMV> Ah, also I get a bearing with cloud that I wasn't getting with mondo-1
[10:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> WROCKETS another new one
[10:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> that yours as well Elmar :)
[10:04] <Upu_2E0UPU> Buzz on the map
[10:05] <Upu_2E0UPU> anyone else able to get ANU ?
[10:05] <navrac> what freq - I'll go look
[10:05] <Upu_2E0UPU> ah its ok
[10:05] <Upu_2E0UPU> thought we only had one person on it
[10:08] <Morseman> Whats happened to ANU - was perfect decodes now garbage...
[10:09] <Morseman> Working again now - strange...
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[10:11] <G3VZV_Graham> what is buzz shift?digi shows 23hz...
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[10:12] <navrac> try 320 if its an rfm
[10:12] <G3VZV_Graham> tnxs
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[10:13] <Colin-G8TMV> G3VZV_Graham: that 23hz is a bug in fldigi if it's a non-standard shift - use the custom setting
[10:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> Cloud/Anu is going to over take Mondo
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[10:19] <costyn_> Elmar_PD3EM: anything yet? I see your friend Rob has been decoding already
[10:19] <Upu_2E0UPU> Number10
[10:19] <Upu_2E0UPU> 06/05 11:18 guest433 : Dave B: The boys are enjoying this (A is revising) - they want to chase the payload. No tracker though! :-( May just use the web app and phone!
[10:19] <Colin-G8TMV> Is buzz going to launch or is it testing?
[10:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> going to launch
[10:20] <Elmar_PD3EM> costyn_: he's decoding better than me... I'm having a pulsing noise on 70cm... :-(
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[10:20] <G3VZV_Graham> i am running out computers etc to receive them all!
[10:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol
[10:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> tracking 3 payloads at once is impressive :)
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[10:21] <Colin-G8TMV> G3VZV_Graham: you can run more than one instance of fldigi if you have more than one sound input
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[10:22] <costyn_> Elmar_PD3EM: ah, I think I heard that too. for me it was coming from the north, but it was horizontally polarized
[10:25] <Elmar_PD3EM> The QRM is stronger on Sunday..... did they forget to switch of the church radio??
[10:25] <Upu_2E0UPU> Looks like Buzz is filling balloon
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[10:27] <costyn_> Elmar_PD3EM: I can hear it faintly now
[10:28] <Colin-G8TMV> cloud is getting weaker for me - it's above the angle my co-linear can see easily
[10:29] <Upu_2E0UPU> is it still decoding ?
[10:29] <Colin-G8TMV> yes
[10:29] <Colin-G8TMV> well, mostly
[10:29] <Upu_2E0UPU> if it stops I'll swap with you
[10:29] <Elmar_PD3EM> costyn_: hope to see you on the receivers list
[10:30] <costyn_> Elmar_PD3EM: yea would be nice, although I think I'm too far away
[10:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> whats CLOUD dial Colin-G8TMV ?
[10:30] <Colin-G8TMV> 434.199
[10:31] <Elmar_PD3EM> costyn_: it must be possible.... Rob PA3BXR is decoding Mondo-1 from Alblasserdam
[10:31] <Upu_2E0UPU> thats clear for me, switch to MONDO-1 if you want
[10:31] <costyn_> Elmar_PD3EM: for my setup ... I got some decodes a couple months ago but the baloon was over belgium some 180k away, that was easy
[10:31] <Colin-G8TMV> ok, back to mondo I go
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[10:33] <Colin-G8TMV> much clearer signal
[10:33] <Elmar_PD3EM> The strange thing is that the signals are very weak for me today and a friend 10 km from me is decoding much better. Yesterday it was the other way around...
[10:35] <costyn_> Elmar_PD3EM: is mondo the strongest ?
[10:35] <costyn_> (for us?)
[10:35] <costyn_> Elmar_PD3EM: I measured in Google earth, it's about 260km distance for me
[10:36] <Upu_2E0UPU> you should be able to do that costyn_
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[10:36] <costyn_> Upu_2E0UPU: yea
[10:36] <Elmar_PD3EM> costyn_: should be no problem on mondo-1
[10:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> If Mondo-1 is a Hwoyee I think thats floating
[10:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> though knowing Mick it will be a 2Kg with H2 in it
[10:38] <Upu_2E0UPU> looks like Buzz is about to go
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[10:39] <daveake> buzz going up soon
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[10:39] <Upu_2E0UPU> we see :)
[10:40] <daveake> waiting for glider and anok from the rocket lot
[10:40] <andrew_apex> WhatAnyone got a freq for Anu?
[10:40] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.0732
[10:40] <Upu_2E0UPU> was around that
[10:40] <andrew_apex> Thanks
[10:43] <ON5RZ> hey Elmar ; Cloud/Anu/Mondo all +10db here
[10:44] <Elmar_PD3EM> ON5RZ: great!! have some pulsing noise here ... mono is -12 dB
[10:44] <Elmar_PD3EM> mondo*
[10:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> Buzz up
[10:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> we have any local stations who can switch ?
[10:46] <ON5RZ> vy strange -12 .. btw, its a contest on 2/70/23+... so maybe you're quiete close to another station with 2kW ;-)
[10:46] <daveake> aloft
[10:46] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[10:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> hey daveake
[10:46] <daveake> heya
[10:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> what was Micks balloon ?
[10:46] <daveake> just packing up now
[10:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> and what is Buzz dial
[10:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> ?
[10:47] <daveake> 1600 hwowowowyee
[10:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> thats floating then
[10:47] <cuddykid> lol
[10:47] <daveake> buzz dial .648.5
[10:47] <daveake> yeah looked a bit under
[10:47] <cuddykid> we need a high altitude betting agency :P
[10:47] <cuddykid> the odds of it floating
[10:47] <daveake> all flights He btw
[10:48] <Colin-G8TMV> I've got BUZZ
[10:48] <cuddykid> Mondo looks like a wet landing :(
[10:48] <daveake> and anu/cloud?
[10:48] <cuddykid> daveake: no, looks fine
[10:48] <daveake> cool
[10:48] <daveake> ascent rate what we wanted
[10:48] <cuddykid> definately
[10:49] <andrew_apex> My masthead preamp isn't playing ball today - haven't got any decodes (or close to it) with it connected. Just unplugged it, and data's pouring in
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[10:49] <cuddykid> Buzz on the other hand is going to be an interesting flight
[10:50] <daveake> yeah but that's a 1600 should speed up
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[10:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> CLOUD/ANU have over taken MONDO-1
[10:52] <Upu_2E0UPU> navrac you still about ?
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[10:54] <Upu_2E0UPU> ok afk for a bit
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[10:55] <costyn_> getting some good strings now, unfortunately checksum not correct yet, so still some garbage somewhere
[10:55] <fsphil> nasty noise here, but I can just see anu and mondo on the waterfall
[10:55] <SamSilver_> Upu_2E0UPU: launch done ...... now lunch?
[10:55] <Colin-G8TMV> just started raining here
[10:56] <Colin-G8TMV> quite hard too
[10:56] <SamSilver_> afk
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[10:59] <G3VZV_Graham> ok - no more please - four at one time is enuf!
[11:00] <costyn_> mondo seemed to have gotten weaker, anyone else get that?
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[11:01] <fsphil> awww... *puts away payload*
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[11:01] <fsphil> ooh, an 8-bit checksum. I thought those where extinct
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[11:02] <fsphil> anu falling?
[11:02] <ON5RZ> mondo is still 6db
[11:02] <daveake> nope
[11:02] <andrew_apex> don't think so (about Anu)
[11:02] <fsphil> just wobbly signal
[11:02] <fsphil> yea, steady now
[11:02] <andrew_apex> how long was the string between balloon and Anu?
[11:03] <andrew_apex> it's very wobbly
[11:04] <Colin-G8TMV> has anyone looked into string length and payload mass vs resonance?
[11:04] <navrac> Im going to have a nap - ping me if I need to retune
[11:05] <fsphil> tried autotune?
[11:05] <navrac> havent set it up with the fcd - but i meant change to another payload
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[11:06] <fsphil> ah gotcha
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[11:06] <fsphil> daveake, I'll probably be away when the payload gets interesting so good luck in advance :)
[11:06] <fsphil> (but not too much -- I still want to try for the record ;)
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[11:07] <daveake> cheers
[11:07] <daveake> lol
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[11:08] <SamSilver_> hands fsphil some vodoo pins
[11:08] <daveake> we're going to set off after anu soon
[11:08] <daveake> north of dereham good?
[11:09] <SamSilver_> buzz on target for a ferru landing
[11:09] <SamSilver_> ferry
[11:09] <andrew_apex> might be a bit far davake, but proably good to head off that way
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[11:10] <cuddykid> daveake: good location I think
[11:11] <cuddykid> have fun in the chase limo!
[11:11] <daveake> lol
[11:11] <daveake> oh yeah need to start that
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[11:14] <SamSilver_> daveake: buzz is about 4m/s is that what you was aiming at?
[11:15] <fsphil> anu is very weak here
[11:16] <daveake> more like 5 really :p
[11:16] <daveake> might speed up ... 1600's with light payloads are like thst
[11:17] <fsphil> mondo very weak too
[11:17] <daveake> just waiting for Steve then we're all heading off after anu/cloud
[11:18] <fsphil> I'm sure these clouds are attenuating the signal
[11:18] <fsphil> it's always more difficult to decode when it's overcast
[11:18] <SamSilver_> fsphil: and when beer
[11:19] <daveake> be a laugh if buzz gets the "highest photos" record then I don't get to see them ...
[11:19] <Upu_2E0UPU> Cloud very drifty
[11:19] <Upu_2E0UPU> spinning alot
[11:19] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol
[11:19] <Upu_2E0UPU> ok so who used an INT for altitude ?
[11:19] <andrew_apex> hahah
[11:19] <fsphil> daveake, live images is where its at :)
[11:19] <daveake> one day :)
[11:19] <number10_M0MDB> did I get something wrong
[11:19] <SamSilver_> daveake: even worse if I don't get to see them
[11:20] <costyn_> heh... ok so that's what happened
[11:20] <fsphil> that's my plan anyway, cause anything that gets to 40km here will never be recovered :)
[11:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> looks like you used an INT for altitude rather than an unsigned int
[11:20] <daveake> that's one quick descent lol
[11:20] <fsphil> crap, he's found our 32738m force field
[11:21] <fsphil> this calls for a habitat filter! which I don't know how to do
[11:21] <daveake> D:)
[11:21] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol
[11:21] <number10_M0MDB> oh dear int instead of unside
[11:21] <Upu_2E0UPU> Cloud seems to be spinning alot
[11:21] <Upu_2E0UPU> signal is very patchy
[11:21] <Upu_2E0UPU> whats ANU like ?
[11:22] <andrew_apex> wobbly but ok
[11:22] <andrew_apex> not as bad as it has been
[11:22] <SamSilver_> daveake: when willb you be fireing up the vid stream next?
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[11:23] <vk5gr> ping Darkside
[11:23] <daveake> SamSilver when there's something to see opther than me :)
[11:23] <fsphil> anu's dropping
[11:23] <vk5gr> evening all
[11:23] <fsphil> properly this time
[11:23] <andrew_apex> positive atlitude!
[11:23] <andrew_apex> burst then?
[11:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> CLOUD burst ?
[11:23] <fsphil> think so
[11:23] <Randomskk> aw damn, I'm too late to add a filter? :P
[11:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> yup burst
[11:23] <fsphil> lol
[11:23] <number10_M0MDB> i could post pic -but mrs10 csnt drive :(
[11:24] <daveake> lol
[11:24] <fsphil> mondo has totally disappeared from my waterfall
[11:24] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.376
[11:24] <Upu_2E0UPU> for Mondo
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[11:24] <number10_M0MDB> she just asked whats wrong with it - but my typeing hopeless at the best of tgimes
[11:24] <daveake> pred for cloud plz when you can
[11:24] <fsphil> I'm no 434.200
[11:24] <fsphil> wait, isn't that mondo?
[11:24] <Upu_2E0UPU> on it dave
[11:24] <ON5RZ> 8db here in Antwerp fsphil
[11:25] <daveake> bit bouncy in here
[11:25] <fsphil> oh it's cloud on 434.200
[11:25] <daveake> cheers upu
[11:25] <fsphil> payload overload
[11:25] <daveake> yes
[11:25] <daveake> lol
[11:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=274088e40021ac6bcf8a42b30b0d99ceabb51018
[11:26] <fsphil> mondo is very weak too
[11:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> I put a slightly faster rate of decent in daveake
[11:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> it looks quick
[11:26] <fsphil> definitely struggling to decode anything today
[11:26] <daveake> tvm upu
[11:27] <daveake> 36" sphereachute and 800g I think
[11:27] <Upu_2E0UPU> daveake try North Pickenham
[11:27] <daveake> ta
[11:27] <Upu_2E0UPU> Houghton Lane, North Pickenham, Swaffham, Norfolk PE37 8L
[11:27] <Upu_2E0UPU> PE37 8LF
[11:27] <daveake> Which number?
[11:27] <daveake> lol
[11:27] <Upu_2E0UPU> should put you in the right area
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[11:27] <costyn_> fsphil: me too. i'm getting best signals from 90 degrees from where I expect it to be, but still very noisy
[11:27] <Upu_2E0UPU> thats a pub :)
[11:27] <daveake> cheers
[11:28] <daveake> cheeeeers
[11:28] Action: costyn_ is probably doing it wrong
[11:28] <Elmar_PD3EM_> damn... BSOD :-(
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[11:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> yikes had a mild panic there
[11:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> its like 300m from what looks like an airport
[11:29] <Upu_2E0UPU> I suspect it was an airport at some point in its life
[11:29] <daveake> lots of places here were :)
[11:29] <Upu_2E0UPU> but they don't tend to build buildings on runways
[11:29] <Upu_2E0UPU> so I think you're good
[11:29] <daveake> buzz seriously needs to speed up
[11:29] <Upu_2E0UPU> CLoud has gone very odd
[11:29] <daveake> of float to the continent
[11:30] <daveake> or
[11:30] <priyesh> Upu_2E0UPU: cloud seems to be spinning a lot
[11:30] <cuddykid> is anu/cloud on same balloon?
[11:30] <daveake> yes
[11:30] <Colin-G8TMV> Hmm... the http://habitat.habhub.org/stats/ doesn't have an entry for Buzz that is being updated for this flight
[11:30] <cuddykid> that's odd - max alt for cloud is almost 2km higher :S
[11:31] <Upu_2E0UPU> cuddykid ANU had a coding bug
[11:31] <cuddykid> ahh, I see :)
[11:31] <Upu_2E0UPU> so max altitude reported was 32768
[11:31] <Upu_2E0UPU> which conincidentally is the maximum value of an INT
[11:31] <Colin-G8TMV> you mean INT32 - we obviously need to go 64-bit
[11:32] <cuddykid> haha, nice
[11:32] <Upu_2E0UPU> 16 bit int
[11:32] <Upu_2E0UPU> on Arduino
[11:32] <Upu_2E0UPU> 32768 to -32768
[11:32] <Colin-G8TMV> Ah, so we need 32-bit
[11:32] <Upu_2E0UPU> unsigned int = 0 - 65535
[11:32] <Randomskk> unsigned 16 bit will be fine
[11:32] <Upu_2E0UPU> or unsigned int :)
[11:33] <costyn_> daveake: how are you uploading chase car data ?
[11:33] <number10_M0MDB> very like i used int
[11:33] <number10_M0MDB> _ly
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[11:34] <andrew_apex> buzz freq?
[11:35] <daveake> 434.649.5
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[11:38] <andrew_apex> thanks
[11:38] <andrew_apex> 434.650.306 here
[11:39] <Upu_2E0UPU> decent is spot on daveake
[11:39] <andrew_apex> strange, I'm getting $$BU^Z, on every packet...
[11:39] <Dutch-Mill> Hi the mondo-1 decodes are oke but the string isn't going to the tracker why?
[11:39] <Upu_2E0UPU> that prediction is still good
[11:40] <Upu_2E0UPU> Dutch-Mill pick payload MONDO-1
[11:40] <Upu_2E0UPU> not MONDO
[11:40] <Dutch-Mill> i did
[11:40] <Upu_2E0UPU> autod configure ?
[11:41] <Dutch-Mill> makes no diif
[11:41] <Dutch-Mill> diff
[11:41] <andrew_apex> Dutch-Mill: Fldigi: DL Client -> Online
[11:41] <andrew_apex> is the box ticked?
[11:41] <daveake> thanks upu
[11:42] <Upu_2E0UPU> I have to go out soon
[11:42] <Upu_2E0UPU> like 5 mins
[11:42] <Dutch-Mill> yes ..the green string shows jus the beginnig part of the string?
[11:42] <daveake> no, you can't
[11:42] <Upu_2E0UPU> got a wedding to go too :)
[11:43] <daveake> and?
[11:43] <daveake> :)
[11:43] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol
[11:43] <Dutch-Mill> have fun
[11:43] <Upu_2E0UPU> let me pass you to my wife :)
[11:43] <daveake> :D
[11:43] <ON5RZ> shift Mondo has narrowed to 435
[11:43] <Upu_2E0UPU> I have to drop the dog off
[11:44] <Upu_2E0UPU> so I'm going to switch MONDO and leave it going
[11:44] <SamSilver_> is that upu wife talking?
[11:44] <daveake> lol
[11:44] <Upu_2E0UPU> no she woulnd't know what switch to mondo means in fairness
[11:44] <SamSilver_> drop the dog off
[11:44] <Upu_2E0UPU> no still me
[11:44] <SamSilver_> lol
[11:44] <daveake> :D
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[11:44] <daveake> wb #10 XD
[11:45] <SamSilver_> i thought you was living on the edge
[11:45] <number10_M0MDB> hope predicted landing changes - is on power lines
[11:45] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=c3117ba5fd7b324ab2598dc4338de267d80fdd07
[11:45] <number10_M0MDB> hi daveake
[11:45] <daveake> number 10: got a landing pred earlier so have put that into satnav
[11:45] <SamSilver_> afk
[11:46] <number10_M0MDB> ok
[11:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> dial on Mondo ?
[11:46] <G3VZV_Graham> 434.378.4
[11:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> thats wierd
[11:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> oh I see it
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[11:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> quite weak
[11:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> right need to go back in about 45 mins
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[11:57] <ON5RZ> mondo going bezerk
[11:57] <ON5RZ> 38817 and dropping
[11:58] <ON5RZ> 37344
[11:58] <andrew_apex> yup - mondo is weird
[11:58] <ON5RZ> 36595 - falling fast
[11:59] <ON5RZ> 2 km since last ..
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[12:00] <ON5RZ> 32,5 into the mashup
[12:02] <Colin-G8TMV> Is anyone monitoring MONDO?
[12:02] <andrew_apex> I lost it
[12:02] <priyesh> shall i try getting apex on it?
[12:02] <andrew_apex> go for it
[12:03] <priyesh> last frequency it was heard on?
[12:03] <Colin-G8TMV> 434.378.4
[12:03] <ON5RZ> yup 90%
[12:03] <Colin-G8TMV> I think
[12:04] <Colin-G8TMV> Buzz is well covered - I'll take a listen to Mondo too
[12:04] <priyesh> decoding mondo
[12:04] <priyesh> or $$MODO or it is now known as
[12:04] <andrew_apex> I've got mondo at 377.5
[12:05] <priyesh> $$MINDO
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[12:08] <priyesh> $$MOJO
[12:08] <andrew_apex> I keep getting $$FUZZ from buzz :P
[12:08] <Colin-G8TMV> it needs a shave?
[12:09] <jonsowman> hello all
[12:10] <andrew_apex> hi jonsowman
[12:11] <jonsowman> hows tracking going
[12:11] <Colin-G8TMV> lots of balloons
[12:11] Action: Colin-G8TMV is almost getting decodes from MONDO now
[12:12] <jonsowman> launches went well, pretty textbook :D
[12:12] <cuddykid> just had a look on street view where anu/cloud are - I hope they've missed the huge power lines that are in their path
[12:14] <number10_M0MDB> so do i :(
[12:14] <number10_M0MDB> hi jonsowman, thanks for your help
[12:14] <jonsowman> not a problem! how's chasing going?
[12:15] <number10_M0MDB> not good st typeing while being driven - couild be better
[12:15] <jonsowman> haha
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[12:18] <Colin-G8TMV> I'm getting mondo decodes now
[12:20] <jonsowman> so, will buzz beat mondo?
[12:21] <costyn_> number10_M0MDB: prediction just changed from a splashdown to a dry landing
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[12:25] <costyn_> oh wait youre chasing anu not mondo
[12:26] <daveake> yes ;)
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[12:33] <costyn_> daveake: scenic route?
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[12:35] <Colin-G8TMV> I've lost Mondo - switching back to Buzz
[12:35] <cuddykid> looks like Mondo will be dry
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[12:36] <futurity> Afternoon all
[12:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> back
[12:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> Buzz dial ?
[12:38] <andrew_apex> 434.650.580
[12:38] <futurity> 434.6516
[12:38] <Upu_2E0UPU> thanks
[12:38] <futurity> just tuning in now. Signal seems to be fading in and out
[12:39] <andrew_apex> it's very weak here in southampton
[12:39] <Upu_2E0UPU> yup got it
[12:39] <Upu_2E0UPU> wow
[12:40] <Upu_2E0UPU> MONDO-1
[12:40] <Upu_2E0UPU> thats in the sea
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[12:40] <andrew_apex> not quite yet :/
[12:40] <andrew_apex> but almost
[12:40] <Upu_2E0UPU> last reading was at 2km
[12:41] <Upu_2E0UPU> its going to be very very close
[12:41] <andrew_apex> hmm, true
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[12:41] <andrew_apex> the predictor seems a bit confused...
[12:41] <jonsowman> ground winds were weird at the launch site
[12:41] <jonsowman> gusts in changing directions followed by periods of complete calm
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[12:43] <futurity> First decoded line :)
[12:43] <navrac> buzz's signal just collapsed here - is it my end or buzz?
[12:43] <Upu_2E0UPU> buzz is fine
[12:44] <navrac> drat - i knew that tape round the connector on the mast wouldnt last long
[12:44] <futurity> Buzz still ok here
[12:44] <andrew_apex> buzz is very, very weak here
[12:44] <andrew_apex> I can't hear it - faint lines on the waterfall
[12:44] <navrac> ive still got it - it just dropped about 10db - at the same time the dog ran over the aeriual cable
[12:45] <Upu_2E0UPU> attenuating dog ?
[12:45] <navrac> well its a very wet dog
[12:45] <Upu_2E0UPU> the d in dB = dog ?
[12:45] <navrac> well db's used to be referred to as doggybiscuits
[12:46] <navrac> its raining here so i dont think im going to drop the mast to repair it
[12:46] <navrac> serves me right for buying the wrong n types
[12:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> wonderfully sunny here
[12:47] <SpeedEvil> Sunny here too
[12:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> Daves almost at CLOUD
[12:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> how many FCD's do you own G3VZV_Graham ?
[12:48] <daveake> bit drizzly here
[12:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> hey dave
[12:48] <daveake> fine for the launches
[12:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> almost on it
[12:49] <daveake> yeah les than a mile I think
[12:50] <daveake> thnk I've almost heard it in thre noise
[12:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> Was about to say you're almost on it
[12:50] <andrew_apex> if you can hear it when you're >2 miles away it usually means its in a tree :P
[12:52] <andrew_apex> hear anything yet daveake?
[12:52] <Upu_2E0UPU> well if he can't pick it up from there its in a ditch
[12:52] <andrew_apex> yup
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[12:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> he got it
[12:53] <daveake> got the teleetery back
[12:53] <andrew_apex> go away andrew_apex_
[12:53] <daveake> +m
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[12:53] <jonsowman> nice one daveake, congrats
[12:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> looks like a nice easy recovery
[12:53] <andrew_apex> yup
[12:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> unless that field is full of man eating bulls
[12:54] <Upu_2E0UPU> Buzz is flying overhead
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[12:59] <nosebleedkt> Well, I have a question
[12:59] <nosebleedkt> the information you write on your payloads, eg telephone numbers, 'harmless scientific experiment' and so on
[12:59] <nosebleedkt> are written in plain paper?
[13:00] <cuddykid> yes nosebleedkt
[13:00] <nosebleedkt> I mean A4 ?
[13:00] <cuddykid> yup
[13:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> Personally I laser print it then put it in laminator
[13:00] <Colin-G8TMV> it needs to be waterproof
[13:00] <cuddykid> I print it, don't laminate though - would be a good idea if I did
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[13:00] <nosebleedkt> how to be waterproof?
[13:01] <Upu_2E0UPU> laminator
[13:01] <nosebleedkt> lami.. what?
[13:01] <Upu_2E0UPU> also laser printer won't run
[13:01] <Colin-G8TMV> laminate in plastic or cover with tape
[13:01] <nosebleedkt> ah
[13:01] <nosebleedkt> yes
[13:01] <Upu_2E0UPU> https://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=laminator
[13:01] <nosebleedkt> the plastic
[13:02] <nosebleedkt> should buy one? or go to some shop do it for me?
[13:02] <Upu_2E0UPU> we have one at work
[13:03] <nosebleedkt> how big it your papers?
[13:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> not very
[13:03] <nosebleedkt> i mean
[13:03] <nosebleedkt> 5x5
[13:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> you can cut the laminated bit down
[13:03] <nosebleedkt> like business cards?
[13:04] <Morseman> You can get A4 laminated in many high street print shops but you can buy one to use at home
[13:04] <nosebleedkt> like this:
[13:04] <nosebleedkt> http://www.whsmith.co.uk/CatalogAndSearch/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=34976784
[13:04] <nosebleedkt> ?
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[13:05] <Upu_2E0UPU> yup
[13:05] <nosebleedkt> do i need anything else?
[13:05] <nosebleedkt> i mean plastic material ?
[13:06] <F6AGV> HELLO MONDO-1 is landing 52.9153N 1.1970E WEST BECKHAM south SHERIGHAM
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[13:06] <F6AGV> QSL ?
[13:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> hi F6AGV I think Michael is close to it , last reading was at 2km so not sure where it actually landed
[13:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> unsure at this time
[13:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> CLOUD has been located
[13:07] <F6AGV> It landed near WESTBECKHAM
[13:07] <Morseman> nosebleedkt the plastic 'pockets' are sold in the same shop that you buy the laminator in
[13:07] <Morseman> Most come with a few pockets already included to start you off
[13:08] <F6AGV> 52.9153N 1.1970E
[13:08] <NickB1_> buzz decoding well here
[13:08] <NickB1_> whats the record to break ?
[13:08] <F6AGV> yes me too
[13:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> I doubt its going to get the record NickB1_
[13:08] <Colin-G8TMV> NickB1_: 42.6Km I think
[13:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> it has a camera on it
[13:09] <F6AGV> My prediction is made with BALLOON TRACK and datas from last point
[13:09] <NickB1_> F6AGV, thanks for the report about Falcon!
[13:09] <F6AGV> Yes a great pleasure
[13:09] <F6AGV> nice flight
[13:09] <NickB1_> next launch will normally be in august
[13:10] <NickB1_> alone this time
[13:10] <NickB1_> going for some more altitude :D
[13:10] <Upu_2E0UPU> interesting F6AGV, well hopefully Mick who lauches Mondo is in the area, he's not in here at the moment
[13:10] <F6AGV> invite me on lauch operation ?
[13:10] <NickB1_> of course
[13:11] <NickB1_> will be in Chimay
[13:11] <daveake> well that was easy :)
[13:11] <F6AGV> Hi my town is CALAIS
[13:11] <Upu_2E0UPU> recovered ?
[13:11] <Colin-G8TMV> What is the "with camera" record? - anyone know
[13:11] <Upu_2E0UPU> the Mondo ones on the records list
[13:11] <Morseman> In DL-FLDigi what does this mean? "W:Warning: htbUT Caught runtime_error:EZ::HTTPResponse :H..."
[13:12] <F6AGV> I must qrt now bye my friends
[13:12] <NickB1_> F6AGV, hmm thats a bit of a drive
[13:12] <NickB1_> bye
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[13:16] <Upu_2E0UPU> Buzz just faded
[13:16] <jonsowman> Mondo's been found it seems
[13:16] <Colin-G8TMV> still ok here
[13:16] <andrew_apex> Buzz getting stronger here
[13:16] <Upu_2E0UPU> yup
[13:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> 200 meters from F6AGV's prediction
[13:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> very nice
[13:17] <andrew_apex> Hooray to a dry MONDO!
[13:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> it didn't go very far in 2km
[13:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> how odd BUZZ has just faded way for me
[13:18] <andrew_apex> weird
[13:19] <Colin-G8TMV> Upu_2E0UPU: it's drifting lower in freq - it hasn't got out of your passband?
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[13:19] <Upu_2E0UPU> whats your dial
[13:20] <Colin-G8TMV> 434.648
[13:20] <andrew_apex> 649.606 here
[13:20] <jonsowman> sorry?
[13:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> totally gone from here
[13:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> unless thats a blind spot on my antenna
[13:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> very odd
[13:20] <futurity> very faint here
[13:20] <jonsowman> are you all on LSB/USB
[13:20] <Colin-G8TMV> 434.648.6
[13:20] <daveake> hopefully buzz will fall with style, missing sea and broads
[13:20] <futurity> and gone
[13:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> USB
[13:21] <Colin-G8TMV> USB
[13:21] <futurity> USB?
[13:21] <Upu_2E0UPU> oh its coming back
[13:21] <Upu_2E0UPU> wierd
[13:21] <futurity> coming back here faint also
[13:21] <daveake> Anyway, anu and cloud recovered (in case you didn't guess)
[13:21] <jonsowman> nice
[13:21] <Colin-G8TMV> good
[13:21] <Morseman> 434.649.71 here but the auto-RX freq change kicked in a few mins ago
[13:21] <daveake> thanks for the help this morning Jon
[13:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> great stuff daveake
[13:22] <jonsowman> no worries daveake
[13:22] <jonsowman> :)
[13:22] <daveake> DaveB checking his photos now
[13:22] <number10_M0MDB> yea thanks for tracking guys,and a big thanks to daveake
[13:22] <daveake> We're going to wait here till buzz pops then head for predicted landing posn
[13:22] <daveake> np B
[13:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> should be good
[13:22] <daveake> Steve is with us btw
[13:23] <r2x0t> Altitude: 40011 m
[13:23] <daveake> Very kindly lending a hand
[13:23] <r2x0t> nice
[13:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> cool
[13:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> Buzz must be in a dead spot on my antenna the signal is very faint
[13:23] <andrew_apex> here's hoping buzz will be dry :)
[13:23] <daveake> nice if I get the photos back :D
[13:23] <daveake> yeah
[13:24] <Upu_2E0UPU> 7 mins till the taxi turns up :/
[13:24] <Morseman> Freq on BUZZ seems to be drifting upward again here
[13:24] <r2x0t> climb rate slowing
[13:24] <Upu_2E0UPU> amended live predictor for 42km burst
[13:25] <Upu_2E0UPU> not for the first time I wish I had a Yagi on the roof
[13:25] <daveake> ta upu
[13:26] <Morseman> Errors creeping in on RX here now
[13:26] <Morseman> Rotator not connected here...
[13:26] <futurity> Out of interest does dl-fldigi upload everything including bad lines and if the server doesn't get a line with the correct checksum, does it try bits of lines to attempt to construct a valid line (with working check sum) from the differences in uploaded lines?
[13:27] <Upu_2E0UPU> no its either valid or rejected
[13:27] <jonsowman> no but soon
[13:27] <daveake> btw Buzz has an SCP1000 pressure sensor which seems to be doing well
[13:27] <Upu_2E0UPU> coming up on your own record daveake
[13:27] <futurity> jonsowman: cool. I didn't think they were uploaded, but thought even the failed lines may be useful
[13:27] <daveake> DaveB's camera got some good pix
[13:27] <daveake> :)
[13:27] <Upu_2E0UPU> can't wait to see them
[13:28] <jonsowman> futurity: it's on the habitat todo list
[13:28] <daveake> He might as well upload some now :)
[13:28] <Colin-G8TMV> what is Dave's record?
[13:28] <daveake> long gone record :p
[13:28] <Morseman> On Buzz, what do the numbers after the height tell you?
[13:28] <futurity> jonsowman: is habitat the server software?
[13:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> Buzz 2 - 40986 m (134468 ft)
[13:28] <daveake> speed and direction
[13:28] <jonsowman> futurity: yep
[13:28] <jonsowman> http://habitat.habhub.org
[13:29] <Upu_2E0UPU> technically floating
[13:29] <Upu_2E0UPU> in the same way Steves "technically" floated upwards
[13:29] <futurity> i need to get around to learning Python so that I can help out coding i think ;)
[13:30] <jonsowman> :)
[13:30] <andrew_apex> looking like it'll be wet :/
[13:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> well good luck
[13:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> taxi is here
[13:30] <daveake> burst please :)
[13:30] <daveake> now is fine
[13:30] <andrew_apex> daveake: throw rocks at it
[13:30] <futurity> Anyone got an arrow, or a laser
[13:30] <daveake> my laser is at home
[13:31] <futurity> need it mounted on the car with a tracking system
[13:31] <daveake> :)
[13:31] <andrew_apex> http://www.waterscape.com/in-your-area/norfolk/cromer/boating/hire-a-boat
[13:31] <daveake> lol
[13:31] <daveake> hey, if we get a position when it's at sea, that's a real option
[13:32] <Morseman> Does anyone have a program that will decode all those numbers in a usable display as FLDigi ignores them
[13:32] <andrew_apex> daveake: is it worth you moving to the coast so you can track it as it comes down?
[13:32] <daveake> yes, I do :)
[13:32] <priyesh> approaching position 4 on the leaderboard
[13:32] <andrew_apex> and get a nice low altitude decode
[13:33] <futurity> seems to have faded out again :(
[13:33] <priyesh> 1m away from position 4!
[13:33] <Colin-G8TMV> yay!
[13:33] <priyesh> and done!
[13:33] <futurity> uk or us leaderboard?
[13:33] <priyesh> UK
[13:34] <Colin-G8TMV> now it can pop
[13:34] <priyesh> daveake: congrats on the new personal best
[13:34] <priyesh> BURST
[13:34] <priyesh> ?
[13:34] <priyesh> or float?
[13:34] <NickB1_> float
[13:34] <Colin-G8TMV> no just float wobble
[13:34] <priyesh> woops
[13:34] <priyesh> had caps lock on
[13:35] <daveake> floating
[13:35] <priyesh> -0.9m/s
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[13:35] <daveake> "personal best" doesn't sound as good as "UK record" :p lol
[13:35] <Morseman> Seems to be coming down now
[13:36] <Colin-G8TMV> nope float
[13:36] <gonzo_> and back up again
[13:36] <gonzo_> what's the UK record?
[13:37] <Morseman> Ah yes, gone back up a bit again
[13:37] <G3VZV_Graham> when it pops you will see the doppler wobble on the waterfall
[13:37] <priyesh> bbl - this could last for a bit
[13:37] <andrew_apex> daveake: anything expensive on buzz?
[13:37] <number10_M0MDB> UK record is same as the world record by rocketboy
[13:37] <ON5RZ> over 41k
[13:37] <daveake> woohoo
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[13:37] <gonzo_> excellent sigs here in poole
[13:37] <daveake> burst burst burst!
[13:38] <daveake> Don't usually say thst to my own balloons :p
[13:38] <Darkside> daveake: lol
[13:38] <Upuiphone> yo what alt ?
[13:38] <number10_M0MDB> lol
[13:38] <andrew_apex> 41037
[13:38] <priyesh> Upuiphone: 41k
[13:38] <Darkside> daveake: thats my line
[13:38] <gonzo_> just over 41k wasn't it? In which case, you have the recods dave!
[13:38] <Upuiphone> nice stol
[13:38] <daveake> I know :-). Royalties due?
[13:38] <Upuiphone> still going up ?
[13:38] <Colin-G8TMV> so - how much does it need to get 3rd place instead of 4th
[13:38] <andrew_apex> floating
[13:38] <Darkside> gonzo_: record is 42.6something
[13:39] <daveake> no chance
[13:39] <gonzo_> world recoed Darkside?
[13:39] <Darkside> gonzo_: and UK record
[13:39] <Colin-G8TMV> gonzo_: No, Darkside was beaten a while ago
[13:39] <gonzo_> ah, ok, I'm out of date then
[13:40] <gonzo_> buncing around nicely now
[13:40] <andrew_apex> $$RUZZ
[13:40] <Upuiphone> best be socialable hope you get it back laterS
[13:40] <r2x0t> Temperature, External: 39 °C < damn hot up there
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[13:42] <andrew_apex> what does recieve filter bandwidth change in fldigi? ie what should I set it ayt?
[13:42] <jonsowman> that's the bin size for the demodulator
[13:42] <jonsowman> keep it as narror as possible in general
[13:42] <ON5RZ> 75 is ok now
[13:42] <jonsowman> demodulator = decoder
[13:43] <Colin-G8TMV> I find 100 works well
[13:43] <priyesh> how heavy is buzz?
[13:43] <jonsowman> too narrow and small shift changes will break it, and the AFC won't cope
[13:43] <jonsowman> priyesh: 300g all in, inc chute and line
[13:43] <priyesh> :D
[13:43] <priyesh> right - must be off
[13:43] <jonsowman> me too
[13:43] <jonsowman> bbl
[13:44] <ON5RZ> over 41117 m
[13:45] <andrew_apex> big drift at the moment
[13:45] <number10_M0MDB> cant really see very well on pc here is a picture from ANU http://i.imgur.com/05d8J.jpg
[13:45] <ON5RZ> it's turning
[13:46] <G3VZV_Graham> freq has started to drift down suddenly
[13:46] <andrew_apex> yeah
[13:46] <pjm__> copy buzz here in wimborne
[13:47] <costyn_> dial freq ?
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[13:47] <nosebleedkt> Well I need to gather some new data
[13:47] <nosebleedkt> Who have used a Hwoyee ballon?
[13:48] <Rob_m0dts> 649
[13:48] <costyn_> thx
[13:49] <andrew_apex> fldigi isn't retuning my radio :(
[13:49] <cuddykid> ahh nice float daveake!
[13:50] <daveake> define nice :p
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[13:50] <cuddykid> lol
[13:51] <cuddykid> a lot of listeners
[13:51] <cuddykid> daveake: it might be another fish & chip job
[13:52] <daveake> Might be catching the fish myself
[13:52] <Morseman> Sigs suddendly got very poor
[13:52] <costyn_> yesss getting valid strings
[13:53] <Colin-G8TMV> still ok here
[13:53] <Morseman> Height still weel up though
[13:53] <Morseman> well
[13:54] <Morseman> Back again!
[13:54] <Morseman> strange...
[13:54] <G3VZV_Graham> now drifting HF
[13:55] <Morseman> Freq and height going up now
[13:55] <griffonbot> Received email: jules@g0nzo.co.uk "[UKHAS] BONZO1 launch Monday 7th - Go"
[13:58] <Dutch-Mill> costyn_ what's your signal level ?
[13:59] <costyn_> Dutch-Mill: is that something I read on the radio or in dl-fldigi?
[13:59] <ON5RZ> oeps
[13:59] <Colin-G8TMV> bottom line in fldigi - s/n
[13:59] <Colin-G8TMV> I've got 5dB
[13:59] <costyn_> ah its about -3
[14:00] <costyn_> best ive had was 1
[14:00] <ON5RZ> 16db
[14:00] <Morseman> 41,511m
[14:01] <Morseman> costyn_ between +2 and +5dB here at the moment
[14:01] <cuddykid> wow - it's warm up there!! 33C
[14:02] <Morseman> any prediction for max height for BUZZ?
[14:02] <Elmar_PD3EM> cuddykid: temp inversion... so condx on vhf/uhf!?
[14:02] <ON5RZ> nope ,
[14:02] <Elmar_PD3EM> still problems here with RX.... -10 dB
[14:03] <gonzo_> getting a clean S4 here
[14:03] <ON5RZ> http://www.dxinfocentre.com/tropo_eur.html
[14:03] <gonzo_> lost of snr
[14:03] <costyn_> do signals at this freq bounce off buildings?
[14:03] <gonzo_> big metal buildings, yes
[14:03] <costyn_> heh
[14:03] <costyn_> i was getting a decent signal pointing my yagi south, no idea why
[14:03] <Elmar_PD3EM> http://www.vhfdx.info/spots/map.php?Lan=E&Frec=430&ML=M&Map=EU&DXC=S&HF=N&GL=N
[14:04] <ON5RZ> Elmar_PD3EM are u using the right antenna ? it's booming here
[14:04] <Morseman> Higher the frequency the more the bounce costyn_
[14:04] <Elmar_PD3EM> ON5RZ: some problem here with pulsing noise QRM
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[14:04] <Morseman> I get signals bounced off a local water tower on 10GHz I think
[14:05] <ON5RZ> aha, the spots you see on vhfdx are conteststations that do 600 km without condtions ..
[14:05] <Elmar_PD3EM> yep
[14:05] <priyesh> (position 2 on the leaderboard ;D )
[14:06] <priyesh> (by 1m)
[14:06] <Morseman> Might have a look on 70cm and 23cm after BUZZ is down
[14:07] <Morseman> Remind me of the URL for the leaderboard please priyesh
[14:07] <priyesh> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:uk_records
[14:07] <Morseman> Thanks
[14:08] <Morseman> =second now?
[14:08] <Colin-G8TMV> ye
[14:08] <Colin-G8TMV> s
[14:08] <Morseman> Ah - beat it earlier - sorry
[14:09] <Morseman> And now above again
[14:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> first valid decode
[14:12] <G3VZV_Graham> welcome Brian!
[14:12] <costyn_> OZ1SKY_Brian: cool, you are the furthest listener again I think :)
[14:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> G3VZV_Graham thank you
[14:13] <Elmar_PD3EM> OZ1SKY_Brian: Nice! distance?
[14:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 713.1km
[14:14] <daveake> :)
[14:14] <cuddykid> running a prediction now..
[14:14] <cuddykid> frozen, grr
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[14:15] <Morseman> OZ1SKY_Brian 4th possition on 10mW/50baud to add to the 1st possition Brian
[14:15] <cuddykid> predictor doesn't seem to want to run
[14:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> TX seems to drift up and down?
[14:16] <ON5RZ> rank 2
[14:16] <r2x0t> OZ1SKY_Brian: what is exact freq for BUZZ now?
[14:16] <Laurenceb_> wow
[14:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> r2x0t got it on 434.648.5 at 1100Hz
[14:17] <ON5RZ> 434.648,4
[14:17] <r2x0t> thx...trying it with 13el yagi
[14:17] <cuddykid> daveake: what's the run time like? ~48hrs?
[14:17] <Laurenceb_> 1st and 2nd altitudes now in UK
[14:17] <Laurenceb_> amazing stuff
[14:18] <Morseman> 434.649.04 at 1027 Hz centre here
[14:19] <cuddykid> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=8839c464e5b1866e7f9f4ecc48db022ebc6f92ce
[14:19] <cuddykid> wow - flight time only 5 hrs!
[14:19] <Morseman> External temp dropping a bit as well
[14:20] <Laurenceb_> 71Pa
[14:20] <Laurenceb_> lol
[14:20] <cuddykid> looks like it'll be doing a tour of middle/eastern europe :P
[14:20] <andrew_apex> or the sea :P
[14:20] <Laurenceb_> i think itll pop
[14:20] <Laurenceb_> hydrogen?
[14:20] <cuddykid> He
[14:20] <Laurenceb_> ah
[14:20] <Laurenceb_> i bet burst then
[14:20] <cuddykid> I think i'll go too unfortunately :(
[14:20] <cuddykid> *it'll burst
[14:21] <cuddykid> if not - by 8pm this evening it should be over italia lol
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[14:25] <ON5RZ> temp idd. dropping fast
[14:26] <daveake> Batteries only fit for 15 hours, but I doubt it'll stay up that long
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[14:27] <Laurenceb_> its getting hot in there
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[14:28] <Laurenceb_> looks like the weather model is a bit wrong tho
[14:28] <costyn_> busrt?
[14:28] <costyn_> nevermind
[14:28] <r2x0t> burst will be when it does like -40m/s
[14:28] <costyn_> signal went to hell but was my own fault :)
[14:29] <Laurenceb_> hope it doesnt get incinerated
[14:29] <Laurenceb_> its getting veyr hot inside
[14:30] <Laurenceb_> i guess solar heating
[14:30] <Dutch-Mill> Must leave now good luck... Y'all
[14:30] <andrew_apex> daveake: what colour is buzz?
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[14:30] <G3VZV_Graham> red in the face?
[14:31] <daveake> andrew_apex Pink
[14:31] <daveake> solar heating, and a camera
[14:32] <Laurenceb_> theres a cam on buzz?
[14:32] <daveake> The ext temp sensor is black tho
[14:32] <daveake> Yes, A490
[14:32] <Laurenceb_> sweet
[14:33] <Laurenceb_> highest ever photos :P
[14:33] <daveake> Easily the highest pix, but I probably won't get to see them :p
[14:33] <costyn_> meh
[14:33] <cuddykid> :(
[14:33] <cuddykid> scramble the chase boat!
[14:33] <Elmar_PD3EM> take a beer on that! ;-)
[14:33] <Laurenceb_> need a cutdown
[14:33] <priyesh> daveake: not to worry... we got apex back after 8 weeks at sea
[14:33] <costyn_> strange how its moving at walking speed
[14:33] <priyesh> pictures were fine
[14:33] <daveake> I forgot to add my label :(
[14:33] <cuddykid> *yacht
[14:34] <priyesh> :(
[14:34] <priyesh> oh :*(
[14:34] <daveake> Realised a few mins after launch
[14:34] <Elmar_PD3EM> :-((
[14:34] <costyn_> aargh
[14:34] <andrew_apex> after launch is the wrong time :(
[14:34] <priyesh> daveake: does the pcb have your name on it or something?
[14:35] <Morseman> Wonder why I keep dropping out of receivers list when 100% copy at the moment?
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[14:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Buzz drifted into some local noice, so only bad decodes for the moment
[14:35] <cuddykid> now turning - on the last leg out of britain - off to tour middle europe!
[14:35] <Morseman> AH, maybe I just keep changing places?
[14:35] <G3VZV_Graham> the displayed list has always been a bit random
[14:35] <gonzo_> often happens when there are lots of rx stns
[14:36] <Morseman> When I click on the track I'm there but sometimes not in the Right hand display area
[14:37] <gonzo_> wobbles!
[14:37] <G3VZV_Graham> burst
[14:37] <Morseman> Was that the burst?
[14:37] <Morseman> Think I got a screen shot
[14:37] <gonzo_> recon so
[14:37] <costyn_> yup
[14:38] <Laurenceb_> cmon
[14:38] <Laurenceb_> fall fast
[14:38] <Morseman> OH Rats!
[14:38] <gonzo_> a good 2nd place on the alt records
[14:38] <SamSilver_> 35C internal temp is cosy
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[14:38] <Morseman> Must have hit Scroll lock not Print Screen!
[14:38] <daveake_> bursty burst burst
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[14:38] <cuddykid> wow!
[14:39] <Morseman> I can get it back from the audio log
[14:39] <SamSilver_> burst
[14:39] <SamSilver_> pop
[14:39] <SamSilver_> downward
[14:39] <cuddykid> around 140mph earlier :P
[14:39] <gonzo_> need favourable winds, otherwise it will be a very long chip shop visit!
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[14:39] <NigelMoby> popsicle!
[14:40] <costyn_> unfortunately the predictor is usually pretty accurate
[14:40] <Laurenceb_> descent goes a bit off
[14:40] <daveake_> neeed more speeeeed (downwards)
[14:40] <cuddykid> this is where you need a good uplink to command cut away chute! and then deploy reserve lower down
[14:40] <Laurenceb_> as parachutes have weird drag at high speeds
[14:40] <daveake_> lol
[14:40] <daveake_> yeah
[14:40] <costyn_> hehe would be very useful
[14:41] <cuddykid> fire rocket motor
[14:41] <costyn_> upwards?
[14:41] <Colin-G8TMV> <g>
[14:41] <cuddykid> costyn_: down :P haha
[14:41] <cuddykid> or sideways I guess
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[14:41] <costyn_> well fire it upwards to go down right?
[14:41] <cuddykid> costyn_: ah yes
[14:41] <costyn_> :)
[14:43] <Morseman> Seems to be dropping a bit quickly...
[14:43] <Morseman> Do you have a prediction for size of crater?
[14:43] <G3VZV_Graham> would an air pressure parachute release mechanism be possible?
[14:44] <costyn_> sure but it would be heavy
[14:44] <gonzo_> pyro's
[14:44] <cuddykid> daveake must have got his laser gun out and cut away the chute
[14:44] <SamSilver_> G3VZV_Graham: there was one
[14:44] <NickB1_> G3VZV_Graham, could make is spring loaded
[14:45] <NickB1_> *it
[14:45] <SamSilver_> it looked like a dart
[14:45] <daveake_> 24" chute
[14:45] <daveake_> About 260g payload
[14:45] <daveake_> Was quite pleased to get a photo payload that light
[14:45] <cuddykid> very good
[14:46] <costyn_> I still have an functioning automatic activation device from a sport parachute rig. it fires at 300m if still travelling at 100+ km/h
[14:46] <JM__> @costyn Would that be a Cypres? But heavy!!
[14:46] <JM__> Bit
[14:46] <costyn_> might be useful for cases like this, but it has heavy batteries
[14:47] <costyn_> JM__: actually an Argus, the ones that were banned due to politics
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> banned?
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> Unable to get insurance ?
[14:47] <JM__> I quit 10 years ago - several new systems since then
[14:47] <costyn_> SpeedEvil: yea there were some incidents where it fired when it shouldn't have
[14:47] <costyn_> JM__: yup, still cypres is still the bst
[14:47] <costyn_> best
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> I guess accidental misfire can almost be as bad as not fire.
[14:48] <costyn_> yea, two chutes out is usually a bad thing
[14:48] <JM__> esp. when you aren't expecting it!
[14:49] <costyn_> but this has happened to cypres units as well, so it wasn't really fair that it was banned.
[14:50] <costyn_> JM__: modern cypres2 is 182 grams, so that's not that bad
[14:50] <costyn_> not sure if that includes the cutter
[14:51] <andrew_apex> daveake_: sorted that boat yet :)?
[14:52] <Morseman> Can't see a prediction on speacenear.us?
[14:53] <Elmar_PD3EM> better call http://www.cromercoastguard.co.uk/
[14:53] <andrew_apex> Morseman: 52.9736, 1.50231 at 15:30 UTC
[14:53] <costyn_> according to google earth it's gonna land 11KM off shore
[14:53] <andrew_apex> Elmar_PD3EM: they've got a helicopter :D they can catch it
[14:54] <Elmar_PD3EM> andrew_apex: then it won't get wet ;-)
[14:54] <costyn_> andrew_apex: not sure daveake_ would wan't to pay for the heli :P
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[14:54] <Upuiphone> did buzz come down ?
[14:54] <costyn_> Upuiphone: on it's way
[14:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upuiphone yes
[14:55] <ON5RZ> Ocean Wind is sailing is some 10km out of the coast of Cromer
[14:55] <Morseman> I'll call my daughters boyfriend...
[14:55] <Upuiphone> in the sea ?
[14:55] <andrew_apex> Upuiphone: will be
[14:55] <ON5RZ> and thats's Ocean Wind 4 http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/nl/shipdetails.aspx?mmsi=235082211&header=true
[14:55] <r2x0t> yes, prediction is ~10km into sea
[14:55] <andrew_apex> 11km offshore
[14:55] <Upuiphone> and what was its max alt ?
[14:55] <ON5RZ> perfect - call tem
[14:55] <Upuiphone> damn
[14:55] <costyn_> ON5RZ: damn that would be perfect
[14:56] <priyesh> Upuiphone: 41882 - 2nd place
[14:56] <number10_M0MDB> looks like a wet one Upuiphone
[14:56] <number10_M0MDB> we are heading cromer
[14:56] <Upuiphone> awesome
[14:56] <costyn_> ON5RZ: it's pretty much exactly where it's gonna land now
[14:56] <Upuiphone> well back to the wedding !
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[14:57] <Morseman> The freq change in 3.21.38 seems to work OK - only loose one line when it resets
[14:58] <ON5RZ> contact Mobile: +44 (0)7943822955
[14:58] <ON5RZ> http://oceanwindmarineltd.com/contact.html
[14:59] <Morseman> Upuiphone that'll be me in a couple of weeks time!!
[14:59] <costyn_> ON5RZ: nice detective work
[15:00] <costyn_> ON5RZ: looks like it's small enough that they can just lean over the side and pick it up
[15:00] <costyn_> although the predicted distance to the coast is now just 5km
[15:01] <Colin-G8TMV> it's still coming down quite fast
[15:01] <ON5RZ> 8km , good transmitter
[15:01] <costyn_> but the winds are pushing it to sea faster too
[15:02] <Morseman> Pressure readings gone a bit strange
[15:03] <costyn_> now only 3km from shoare
[15:04] <costyn_> shore
[15:05] <Elmar_PD3EM> hope the turn back to shore comes earlier
[15:06] <costyn_> wind seems to be in the right direction, blowing at 19km/h
[15:06] <G3VZV_Graham> wind has changed
[15:06] <costyn_> might be blown back to shore?
[15:06] <Elmar_PD3EM> and land on the Cromer Pier ;-)
[15:07] <daveake_> lol
[15:08] <andrew_apex> tide's coming in until 7:30pm :D
[15:08] <Morseman> Too many errors now
[15:08] <andrew_apex> ooh - switnging round
[15:09] <andrew_apex> *swinging
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[15:09] <Colin-G8TMV> starting to fade here too
[15:09] <r2x0t> it's turning
[15:09] <andrew_apex> prediction just moved closer to shore
[15:09] <Elmar_PD3EM> but still too far to swim ;-)
[15:10] <andrew_apex> yeah :(
[15:10] <andrew_apex> going back out a bit
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[15:10] <ON5RZ> the Arie Dirk is sailing nearby (44) (0)7946 421868
[15:11] <Morseman> Still amazed at how UPU manages to keep decoding
[15:11] <Colin-G8TMV> gone here in Cambridge
[15:11] <Morseman> Need to get the 70cm transverter set back up with the SDR
[15:13] <andrew_apex> anyone still got it?
[15:13] <G3VZV_Graham> +3db here
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[15:14] <G3VZV_Graham> going
[15:15] <G3VZV_Graham> sorry - the 1019 metre one was my lst frame as well
[15:15] <Morseman> Well done daveake and the BUZZ team - very nice flight
[15:15] <Morseman> G8KNN had last dibs by look of it
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[15:16] <daveake_> Thanks to everyone tracking and helping
[15:16] <daveake_> We got most of the 1019 one but not a decode
[15:16] <Colin-G8TMV> daveake_: bring us all some Cromer rock
[15:16] <daveake_> Got little after
[15:16] <daveake_> :D
[15:17] <daveake_> Oh I do like to be beside the seaside ....
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[15:17] <daveake_> That pushes the Americans one place further from the top :D
[15:17] <andrew_apex> I wonder if it'll float or if the balloon will drag it down...
[15:18] <JM__> Nice flight - shame about the landing - tried tracking but failed to decode 1 packet -
[15:18] <daveake_> And is the highest amateur helium flight
[15:18] <daveake_> it'll float
[15:19] <ON5RZ> Vessel Arie Dirk is going to be there in a few minutes !! http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/nl/default.aspx?mmsi=235006067&centerx=1.06588&centery=53.0465&zoom=10&type_color=3
[15:19] <Elmar_PD3EM> Nice flight daveake_ !! Hope there's someone with a boat willing to help
[15:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> daveake_ congratulations on a nice flight
[15:19] <andrew_apex> ON5RZ: nice spot! They're pretty much going to run it over!
[15:20] <daveake_> Thanks, and well done gettng a decode
[15:20] <ON5RZ> once again the number (44) (0)7946 421868
[15:20] <Colin-G8TMV> daveake_: does it have contact details on it?
[15:20] <andrew_apex> Colin-G8TMV: nope
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[15:27] <fsphil> nice altitude daveake_
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[15:27] <fsphil> not so nice landing spot
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[15:32] <jonsowman> buzz got wet then :(
[15:32] <andrew_apex> jonsowman: a bit :(
[15:32] <jonsowman> weird flight path
[15:33] <jonsowman> are they going to try and get it?
[15:33] <Elmar_PD3EM> would be great if the antenna is on top now and daveake_ can decode again from the coastline
[15:33] <r2x0t> any attempts on recovery?
[15:33] <jonsowman> it's only a mile or so off the coast
[15:33] <r2x0t> doable with reant a boat for 1 hour
[15:34] <andrew_apex> yeah
[15:34] <r2x0t> but it all depends on.... if it's floating
[15:34] <jonsowman> it's a polystyrene egg
[15:34] <jonsowman> it'll float
[15:34] <r2x0t> also should be receivable on shore
[15:39] <daveake_> It'll float; I have my doubts that it'll still be transmitting
[15:39] <daveake_> When my flight landed near Brighton, the ball payload stopped but the big box kept going
[15:39] <Elmar_PD3EM> daveake_: might be tx-ing if the antenna is above water
[15:39] <daveake_> This ball is bigger though and the electronics further up
[15:40] <daveake_> Yeah, antenna will probably be under
[15:40] <daveake_> On the box, some of the antenna was inside the box
[15:40] <daveake_> Only about 10mm is here
[15:40] <daveake_> But radio is wierd sometimes
[15:40] <daveake_> Anyway, having come all this way we'll give it a try
[15:41] <Elmar_PD3EM> well, water can also be used as antenna... was an experiment a few years ago
[15:41] <daveake_> Last position it was coming in to land at 9kph
[15:41] <daveake_> there you go ... radio is woowoo magic stuff
[15:41] <Elmar_PD3EM> haha
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[15:42] <jonsowman> daveake_: are you planning to try and find a boat?
[15:42] <daveake_> If we get a signal, absolutely
[15:42] <daveake_> If not, dunno
[15:42] <jonsowman> cool :)
[15:42] <r2x0t> yeah... that's the spirit. fingers crossed
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[15:43] <Elmar_PD3EM> jonsowman: 07/05/12?!
[15:44] <jonsowman> i'm an idiot
[15:44] <jonsowman> thanks
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[15:45] <daveake_> rtty
[15:45] <Elmar_PD3EM> GREAT!!!
[15:45] <jonsowman> oo!
[15:45] <daveake_> looking to park
[15:46] <r2x0t> it's alive! nice
[15:48] <Elmar_PD3EM> daveake_: move to the east side of the pier..... seems to be some parking
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[15:51] <daveake_> upload
[15:51] <jonsowman> :D
[15:51] <jonsowman> excellent
[15:51] <Elmar_PD3EM> :-)
[15:51] <jonsowman> altitude: 0m
[15:51] <jonsowman> hehe
[15:51] <Elmar_PD3EM> great!
[15:51] <Elmar_PD3EM> well done!
[15:51] <daveake_> I saw 1m :)
[15:51] <Colin-G8TMV> me too
[15:51] <Elmar_PD3EM> distance?
[15:52] <daveake_> Nearly 2 miles from coast I think
[15:52] <Colin-G8TMV> about 3km off shore
[15:52] <cuddykid> nice daveake@@
[15:52] <cuddykid> *!!
[15:52] <jonsowman> daveake_: you seem to have a talent for landing them /just/ off the coast
[15:52] <cuddykid> boat territory
[15:52] <daveake_> yep
[15:52] <andrew_apex> give it 20 minutes and watch where it is moving
[15:52] <Colin-G8TMV> it's moving East *away* from shore
[15:52] <andrew_apex> then predict if it'll make it in on the tide
[15:52] <andrew_apex> oh.
[15:52] <andrew_apex> er...
[15:53] <andrew_apex> boat? :D
[15:53] <r2x0t> there are some boats near museum, to the east of the pier
[15:53] <jonsowman> need a jetski
[15:53] <Colin-G8TMV> does Cromer still have a coastguard station - if so they might know of a boat willing to retrieve it
[15:54] <daveake_> Seems to be heading along the coast
[15:54] <daveake_> out slightly
[15:55] <r2x0t> ...next time add AIS transponder to it :)
[15:55] <Elmar_PD3EM> LOL
[15:56] <Elmar_PD3EM> this is the lowest decode record at 0m altitude! ;-)
[15:56] <daveake_> lol
[15:56] <daveake_> Another record: :)
[15:56] <daveake_> We are up high here :)
[15:56] Action: Colin-G8TMV heads to Holland to break that record
[15:56] <jonsowman> lol
[15:57] <Elmar_PD3EM> Colin-G8TMV: yes... I'm living 1.5 m below sea level
[15:57] <Colin-G8TMV> there is an Airfield at Texel in Holland that is 7m below sea level
[15:57] <priyesh> i think apex got -1m in the north sea
[15:57] <priyesh> lol
[15:58] <priyesh> i vote speedboat :P
[15:59] <daveake_> Any likely candidates for a boat company?
[16:00] <cuddykid> swiming.ru
[16:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> daveake_: coast gaurd?
[16:00] <cuddykid> *rus
[16:00] <cuddykid> * swimming R Us
[16:01] <daveake_> it's f-nig cold
[16:01] <daveake_> so cold I can't type
[16:01] <daveake_> Steve said coastguard were "next to useless" when he got Upu's back
[16:02] <Elmar_PD3EM> daveake_: there're boats on the beach in front of the Rocket House Cafe east of the pier
[16:02] <andrew_apex> are they locked up? :P
[16:02] <daveake_> lol
[16:03] <r2x0t> http://www.panoramio.com/photo/29153007?source=wapi&referrer=kh.google.com
[16:03] <daveake_> Looking at the numbers, Buzz restarted on landing
[16:03] <Elmar_PD3EM> lol http://www.glidesurfschool.co.uk/index.php/equipment-hire
[16:04] <jdtanner> they might actually be worth calling
[16:04] <Elmar_PD3EM> they at least know enough people
[16:04] <Elmar_PD3EM> The Glide Surf School 07966392227
[16:05] <andrew_apex> daveake_: or you could hire a surfboard and paddle out
[16:05] <fsphil> http://www.mcmarine.co.uk/
[16:05] <fsphil> though them guys are in Hoveton
[16:05] <daveake_> river boats phil!
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[16:05] <fsphil> ah
[16:05] <fsphil> scratch that
[16:06] <fsphil> you can tell I've never been on a boat in my life :)
[16:06] <jdtanner> Elmar_PD3EM: excatly :)
[16:07] <jdtanner> is that still txing?
[16:07] <jdtanner> :)
[16:08] <daveake_> Yeah still txing; Julie on Yagi control wasn't doing her job :D
[16:08] <Elmar_PD3EM> I need some food but I'd better be looking in my own area instead of near Cromer ;-)
[16:08] <jdtanner> :)
[16:09] <jdtanner> wow&that is some good construction! :)
[16:11] <daveake_> OK, found a fishing boat place a short distance away. Off to take a look
[16:11] <priyesh> daveake_: if it's any help, apex lasted 3 hours before the battery had drained enough that it turned off
[16:12] <daveake_> My last sea one lasted a couple of hours till it hit shore, flipped over and died
[16:12] <andrew_apex> priyesh: but then again apex had 15 batteries (at least)...
[16:12] <priyesh> andrew_apex: i'm just referring to the core board
[16:12] <andrew_apex> pah, details
[16:12] <daveake_> Batteries in this should last till midnight
[16:13] <priyesh> so 4xAA energizer lithiums
[16:13] <priyesh> daveake_: even when they're wet?
[16:13] <daveake_> 4 AAAs in this; tested to 15 hours (actually, on a tracker with a higher drain)
[16:13] <daveake_> no not when wet :D
[16:13] <daveake_> If the electronics gets wet it's dead
[16:14] <daveake_> Batteries -- dunno.
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[16:21] <daveake_> Well, we called "The Fishing Boat" ....
[16:21] <daveake_> .... and it's a pub LMAO
[16:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> LOL
[16:22] <jdtanner> did you call the surfers?
[16:22] <andrew_apex> haha
[16:22] <andrew_apex> daveake_: how was the pub then :P?
[16:22] <daveake_> veshy good show far
[16:24] <Elmar_PD3EM> we're getting QRM on decoding your "pub-signals" ;-)
[16:24] <daveake_> lol
[16:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Morseman PM pse
[16:33] <andrew_apex> cheap 8gb microSD cards anyone? £3.25 inc P&P... http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B001D0ROGO/
[16:42] Action: Morseman Makes note to take canoes if ever asked to do chase car by daveake_
[16:42] <daveake_> We've called the harbour master at Wells and he's going to see if he can find someone
[16:42] <daveake_> He said "no problem if you'd called half an hour ago" :p
[16:42] <Morseman> I have 3 in garage...
[16:43] <cuddykid> daveake: there's http://www.beansboattrips.co.uk/
[16:43] <cuddykid> ~8 miles away (to west)
[16:43] <andrew_apex> We operate totally within Blakeney Harbour and therefore do not venture out to the open sea.
[16:43] <jonsowman> whats the news on buzz?
[16:43] <daveake_> chocolate firegaurd boas
[16:44] <daveake_> boats
[16:44] <jonsowman> cool :D
[16:44] <Morseman> jonsowman it's taking a swim
[16:44] <daveake_> jonsowman we tried to find "The Fishing Boat", and found a pub :p. No signal here ( too far)
[16:44] <daveake_> Waiting for a callback re boats
[16:44] <jonsowman> right
[16:45] <daveake_> If we can get one, we'll probably split up - one closer down the coast to get a signal from land, other on the boat.
[16:45] <jonsowman> hehe fingers crossed
[16:45] <Morseman> Call the Acme Magnet Co and get a big magnet?
[16:46] <cuddykid> http://www.neilthompsonboats.co.uk/ <- this person/company might know someone that could help
[16:46] <Morseman> Considering we are an Island Nation of seafarers, seems difficult to find someone with a boat doesn't it?
[16:47] <daveake_> yep
[16:48] <Colin-G8TMV> well, it is Tea time on a Sunday
[16:48] <Morseman> True...
[16:48] <cuddykid> we need a sea car.. drive straight into ocean and collect payload
[16:49] <acg> are there materials you can fill with gas slightly less dense than air that will float at some approximate altitude for a long period of time, like months? I know typical party balloons don't last too long.
[16:49] <cuddykid> shame the chase limo doesn't turn into a chase yacht!
[16:49] <Colin-G8TMV> you need that 007 car
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[16:49] <cuddykid> acg: no, NASA are working on super pressure ones that will last months though..
[16:49] <acg> cuddykid, what are the limitations?
[16:49] <Morseman> Like this? http://www.amphicars.com/acfaq.htm
[16:50] <cuddykid> acg: strength of material mainly I believe and it has to be lightweight ofc
[16:50] <acg> so it's tendency is to pop due to failure of the material?
[16:50] <acg> its*
[16:50] <cuddykid> acg: yup
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[16:50] <acg> can you get/make one cheaply that will last days
[16:50] <acg> like a week
[16:50] <cuddykid> http://ravenaerostar.com/ <- they look promising - I'm currently in contact with them, but they take ages to respond
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[16:51] <cuddykid> acg: not currently :(
[16:51] <cuddykid> it's all a work in progress
[16:51] <acg> hm I'm surprised by that tbh
[16:51] <cuddykid> acg: well - you probably could get one from http://ravenaerostar.com/ but they only supply education/govs/businesses not amateur radio peeps
[16:51] <acg> well I work in a school so it could be "arranged" XD
[16:52] <cuddykid> I'm trying to get one atm through Uni
[16:52] <cuddykid> acg: exactly :P
[16:52] <acg> if their website would load that would be a plus
[16:52] <cuddykid> http://ravenaerostar.com/products/aerospace/super-pressure-balloons
[16:53] <cuddykid> "Our high altitude research balloons can carry payloads from just a few pounds up to 6000 pounds and can reach altitudes up to 45 kilometers capable of sustaining altitude for several months."
[16:54] <acg> that sounds expensive haha
[16:54] <cuddykid> yeah it does! I've sent them a price request
[16:55] <acg> when you release a helium-filled party balloon, it rises; as it rises the outside pressure and outside density both decrease; the volume of the balloon increases until it pops
[16:55] <acg> is that correct
[16:55] <cuddykid> correct
[16:55] <acg> what happens if you fill the same balloono with a helium-air mixture that is slightly less dense than regular air
[16:55] <acg> it floats up to a much lower altitude, and hovers?
[16:55] <SpeedEvil> The same - up to some point
[16:56] <acg> but it won't pop
[16:56] <cuddykid> ^
[16:56] <acg> due to an increase in volume
[16:56] <cuddykid> well, depends, probably would pop
[16:56] <acg> why would it pop this time
[16:56] <SpeedEvil> At some point, the bouyancy is not high enough to 'force' it up past the elastic compression of the air from the envelope
[16:57] <acg> I'd think it would last much longer in this case, than the one which floated up indefinitely until it popped
[16:57] <cuddykid> you have a gas issue though - what gas are you going to use?
[16:58] <cuddykid> some v expensive, some v explosive etc
[16:58] <acg> the simplest example of course is a mixture of helium and air
[16:58] <acg> to bring up the density of the gas closer to the density of air
[16:58] <cuddykid> that could be a possibility yep
[16:58] <SpeedEvil> Balloons will only stop rising if the compression of the fill gas due to the envelope exceeds the density difference
[16:59] <acg> well let's say we filled a typical party balloon with a mixture of helium/air such that it's density was 98% that of regular air at regular conditions
[16:59] <acg> and you released the balloon at regular conditions
[16:59] <acg> what would most likely happen
[16:59] <SpeedEvil> This in essense for latex and party type balloons means that the yield strength of the balloon required to do this goes with the amount of excess lift
[17:00] <SpeedEvil> It's probably not simply proportional, but if you have 10* the lift, you need a much stronger balloon - when it reaches its maximum diameter
[17:00] <SpeedEvil> The balloon internal differential pressure drops as the diameter rises, until a point at which it's no longer
[17:01] <SpeedEvil> elastic - at which point the envelope compresses the gas, and the balloon comes under increasing strain.
[17:01] <SpeedEvil> If you carry on lifting the balloon, then the strain carries on increasing - without the diameter increasing - and at some point pops the balloon.
[17:01] <acg> in the example I illustrated, would the balloon reach it's ceiling before that effect took over?
[17:02] <SpeedEvil> If the internal pressure rises to (say) 4 milibars - then it can clearly never burst if the external air pressure is 4 millibars - unless it's still positively bouyant with half the volume
[17:02] <SpeedEvil> you'd need to measure a ballon to find out
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[17:02] <acg> I'd think people have thought of this before me
[17:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Morseman news in PM
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[17:19] <andrew_apex> any news on how Buzz is doing?
[17:24] <jonsowman> worrying silence
[17:25] <MrScienceMan> maybe too busy swimming atm
[17:26] <cuddykid> could probably find a drunk local that you could bribe to swim out and collect :P
[17:26] <jonsowman> that's a bad idea on many, many levels
[17:26] <jonsowman> :P
[17:26] <andrew_apex> tie balloons to him to help him float :P
[17:27] <jonsowman> brilliant
[17:27] <andrew_apex> although not too many - it's cold at 30km...
[17:31] <MrScienceMan> just right to keep your pint chilled
[17:31] <Elmar_PD3EM> maybe that is wat DAve is doing ;-0
[17:32] <andrew_apex> I can imagine Dave hanging onto a balloon floating across the north sea :P
[17:33] <Elmar_PD3EM> if he would get some beacons out I can pick him up tomorrow on the Dutch coastline ;-)
[17:33] <cuddykid> this is where we need a contraption like that crazy guy who sat on a chair tied to balloons :P get the float right and you'll be nice and dry on the way out..
[17:33] <gonzo_> just phone around the local chippies
[17:38] <gonzo_> the prob with the balloon chair is, getting back.
[17:39] <andrew_apex> jump off over holland and get the ferry back. simple!
[17:39] <jonsowman> are you volunteering?
[17:40] <andrew_apex> I thought Dave had already set off?
[17:40] <jonsowman> lol
[17:50] <griffonbot> Received email: Benjamin Oxley "[UKHAS] Dissertation on Designing Altitude Controllers for Latex Balloons"
[17:52] <jonsowman> woo i got a mention :D
[17:54] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:57] <cuddykid> that's a cool dissertation!
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> Indeed. About -40C
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[17:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> whats the latest on buzz?
[18:00] <andrew_apex> more importantly, what's the latest on Dave? :/
[18:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ahh yes thats right
[18:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> been away, so didnt know he was "missing"
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[18:00] <andrew_apex> at least if he swims out that's a good reason for the coastguard to go out to see...
[18:01] <andrew_apex> *sea
[18:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> My radio works on 5680KHz, i can give RAF a call :-)
[18:01] <andrew_apex> haha
[18:02] <cuddykid> need to integrate flares into payloads that are potentially ocean bound
[18:02] <joph> lol
[18:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hear kinloss sar everyday, but its a long way from scotland
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[18:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> But was very delighted to hear buzz today, finaly some signal comming this way again
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[18:19] <griffonbot> Received email: Ben Oxley "[UKHAS] Re: Dissertation on Designing Altitude Controllers for Latex Balloons"
[18:23] <fsphil> buzz was a long way up there
[18:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sure was, did only get a few good decodes, but thats better than nothing
[18:31] <Elmar_PD3EM> This is starting to look good :-) $$PD3EM,21,18:29:56,518926279,48253227,-2,4,18,1014,0,20,25*5AD0
[18:31] <fsphil> if we could just get an rtty repeater up there we could make a contact :)
[18:37] <Elmar_PD3EM> Any news from Dave?
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[18:45] <costyn_> probably still out on a zodiac :)
[18:45] <Colin-G8TMV> or in the pub
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[19:15] <chris_99> could anyone explain how airships don't just float away
[19:18] <andrew_apex> chris_99: they have propellers and fans :)
[19:18] <chris_99> ooh just found this nice little diagram http://science.howstuffworks.com/transport/flight/modern/blimp2.htm
[19:18] <chris_99> it's too do with venting apparently
[19:19] <RocketBoy> andy news from the daveake/number10
[19:19] <RocketBoy> ?
[19:20] <andrew_apex> we think he's either in the pub or in the sea
[19:21] <RocketBoy> swimming for it?
[19:21] <RocketBoy> i wouldn't put it past them
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[19:30] <Laurenceb_> go to toys are us and get a blow up dingy
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[19:32] <OZ1SKY_Brian> the chase car app will soon need a boat logo :-)
[19:32] <andrew_apex> nah, there'll be a seperate chase boat application :D
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[19:33] <Elmar_PD3EM> with AIS integration ;-)
[19:33] <andrew_apex> APRS chase car integration would be really neat
[19:34] <andrew_apex> although I've found TXing APRS and RXing balloons don't work well at the same time
[19:34] <Elmar_PD3EM> that would be great andrew_apex !!
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[19:52] <griffonbot> Received email: Allen Sklar "RE: [UKHAS] Re: Dissertation on Designing Altitude Controllers for
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[20:17] <Elmar_PD3EM> is there a good source where the differences between Arduino's int, uint32_t, float etc are explained/compared? (I wanna be sure about my code, as seen with the 32768m alt limit today)
[20:18] <fsphil> int defaults to int16_t on avr's I believe
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[20:19] <jonsowman> http://www.nongnu.org/avr-libc/user-manual/group__avr__stdint.html
[20:19] <Elmar_PD3EM> thanks jonsowman !
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[20:20] <fsphil> ah, better link than I was about to post :)
[20:20] <Elmar_PD3EM> haha
[20:20] <Elmar_PD3EM> and the altitude must be uint16_t instead of int?
[20:20] <jonsowman> correct
[20:21] <jonsowman> int = int16_t
[20:21] <Elmar_PD3EM> o.k.
[20:21] <fsphil> int16_t's range is -32738 > 32767
[20:21] <fsphil> -32768 > 32767
[20:21] <fsphil> even
[20:21] <jonsowman> just to make myself clear, int = int16_t in avr-libc (i.e. for arduinos). it's not _always_ true
[20:22] <Elmar_PD3EM> still learning here.. did some programming (mostly shell and php) for my qwebserver/weatherstation
[20:23] <MrScienceMan> you need uint16 for altitude
[20:23] <Elmar_PD3EM> tnx
[20:23] <MrScienceMan> unless you plan to go above 65535 ;)
[20:23] <Elmar_PD3EM> When I was in highschool we only had a few computers....
[20:23] <Elmar_PD3EM> haha MrScienceMan
[20:24] <fsphil> you never know MrScienceMan :)
[20:24] <Elmar_PD3EM> not for my first launch ;-)
[20:25] <Elmar_PD3EM> 10 print blah blah
[20:25] <Elmar_PD3EM> 20 goto 10
[20:25] <Elmar_PD3EM> ;-)
[20:25] <fsphil> I see a bug there :)
[20:25] <Elmar_PD3EM> thats what we learned 30 years ago ;-)
[20:26] <fsphil> I first started with basic too
[20:28] <Elmar_PD3EM> it's fun now with the Arduino building and programming my first payload
[20:29] <MrScienceMan> didnt one of the payloads hit 32767 today and stop?
[20:30] <Elmar_PD3EM> went back to -32768
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[20:30] <MrScienceMan> aaahh
[20:30] <MrScienceMan> ANU
[20:30] <MrScienceMan> im looking at the plot now
[20:31] <Elmar_PD3EM> that is one of the things of the code you can't test on the ground ;-0
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[20:32] <fsphil> fake gps data :)
[20:32] <Elmar_PD3EM> just need to get the lat/lon of my string better:
[20:32] <Elmar_PD3EM> $$PD3EM,463,20:30:49,518926598,48252665,-1,6,19,1015,0,20,25*512D
[20:33] <MrScienceMan> what is that format btw?
[20:33] <fsphil> the 'ukhas' format
[20:33] <MrScienceMan> ah, figured as much :)
[20:34] <Elmar_PD3EM> callsign,counter,time,lat,lon,alt,sats,temp1,press,0,temp2,errorcode,crc
[20:34] <fsphil> http://www.ukhas.org.uk/communication:protocol
[20:34] <MrScienceMan> doesnt the counter give problems if the device resets?
[20:34] <Elmar_PD3EM> starting at 0 again ;-)
[20:34] <jonsowman> or store it in eeprom
[20:35] <MrScienceMan> would it show on the map, if it happen to reset?
[20:35] <fsphil> I don't think it would
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[20:37] <fsphil> there might be some logic in there that ignores numbers already seen in the last x minutes
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[20:38] <jonsowman> i store mine in eeprom for the purposes of having a completely unique string id
[20:38] <jonsowman> but i don't think it's a disaster if you don't
[20:38] <MrScienceMan> is the tracker open to everybody?
[20:38] <priyesh> is the counter actually used anywhere?
[20:39] <fsphil> I think we're going to have swift store it in the eeprom too
[20:39] <Elmar_PD3EM> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[20:39] <priyesh> i don't think habitat uses it
[20:39] <r2x0t> if you have counter AND time, it shouldn't matter if it resets
[20:39] <fsphil> there was a flight recently that didn't have one
[20:39] <jonsowman> pretty sure it doesn't have any ill effects
[20:39] <priyesh> the only time i imagine it's useful is when there's no gps lock and hence no time
[20:39] <jonsowman> but collating data post-flight is easier if the string id is unique
[20:39] <r2x0t> yes, or when you tx more frames per second
[20:39] <MrScienceMan> i imagine is how it groups strings from different recievers
[20:40] <MrScienceMan> the counter
[20:40] <jonsowman> MrScienceMan: no it does that based on everything
[20:40] <jonsowman> i.e. the string has to be exactly the same for it to match in that way
[20:40] <priyesh> transmitting habitat doc ids would be cool
[20:40] <priyesh> but also very long
[20:40] <jonsowman> priyesh: lol they're SHA1
[20:40] <priyesh> yeah
[20:40] <jonsowman> 40 chars
[20:40] <MrScienceMan> jonsowman: yes, you are right
[20:40] <priyesh> also it'd have to contact habitat for a new doc id
[20:41] <jonsowman> could be an issue
[20:41] <Elmar_PD3EM> you have some code on github jonsowman ?
[20:41] <jonsowman> Elmar_PD3EM: i have a lot of rubbish on github! what are you after?
[20:41] <Elmar_PD3EM> the counter in eeprom
[20:41] <jonsowman> ah
[20:42] <jonsowman> yes
[20:42] <jonsowman> hang on
[20:42] <priyesh> $$APEX,e7ea60ae89c32bb84117a0e714639f6c,10:41:10,54.985829,-6.723493,27799*002A
[20:42] <priyesh> looks good to me :P
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[20:42] <jonsowman> Elmar_PD3EM: https://github.com/cuspaceflight/joey-m/blob/master/firmware/main.c#L60
[20:42] <fsphil> hah
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[20:43] <Elmar_PD3EM> thanks!
[20:43] <jonsowman> Elmar_PD3EM: see also line 92
[20:43] <fsphil> put an sha1 sum of the sentence into the sentence... but that would mean a new sha1 sum, which would .... *explodes*
[20:43] <jonsowman> hahah
[20:44] <jonsowman> i think fsphil just infinite-looped
[20:44] <fsphil> if you're gonna put big hexadecimal codes into the string, make them reed solomon codes
[20:44] <r2x0t> if you want to transmit binary data, send it as binary and not ASCII hex codes
[20:45] <MrScienceMan> fsphil: a sha1 within a sha1 within...
[20:45] <jonsowman> if we start examining why the ukhas 50 baud rtty thing is not as good as it could be, we'll just end up at "so what we're doing is just about the worst possible thing" again
[20:46] <jonsowman> (technically)
[20:46] <jonsowman> it's great because it's simple, of course
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[20:46] <jonsowman> haha
[20:47] <jonsowman> no it's fine, i just mean that it's generally well accepted that this is non-optimal
[20:47] <Elmar_PD3EM> rtty is still the best to decode on very faint signals.... or does someone want to try to programm jt65 in Arduino ?
[20:47] <jonsowman> there are better things
[20:48] <jonsowman> but since you get line of sight from a HAB most of the time, RTTY is fine
[20:48] <Colin-G8TMV> surely psk31 is better
[20:48] <r2x0t> problem with PSK is there are no cheap transmitters
[20:48] <jonsowman> once it goes over the horizon there's basically nothing that will get you a decode
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> RTTY actually wouldn't be that bad - a sizeable slice of the performance delta between 'perfect' and 'unusable' is due to the fldigi modem
[20:48] <r2x0t> you are limited to FSK/MFSK/GMSK
[20:48] <jonsowman> SpeedEvil: this is true
[20:49] <jonsowman> there are plans for a hack-day this summer working on a new demodulator and decoder
[20:49] <Colin-G8TMV> r2x0t: there is code to make a very simple cw rig Tx psk just using the paddle dash/dot inputs for mark/space
[20:49] <r2x0t> GMSK is very near BPSK performance when decoded properly
[20:49] <r2x0t> oh yeah... I forgot CW.... or not, that just sucks
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> I personally like simple fsk, like we do, but with an extended 'checksum' which does FEC
[20:49] <jonsowman> SpeedEvil: yeah, we should not use ASCII
[20:49] <jonsowman> or rs232 framing
[20:50] <jonsowman> binary protocol with an FEC line code
[20:50] <Elmar_PD3EM> the ukhas standard works fine now
[20:50] <jonsowman> that'd be an excellent start
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> There is nothing wrong with it as a start
[20:50] <Colin-G8TMV> r2x0t: No! not Txing cw, but using a cw rig with no modulator to do psk via some very clever coding
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> ASCII framing isn't really a big problem
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> it's just that the modem we have sucks
[20:50] <jonsowman> yes
[20:50] <jonsowman> it does
[20:50] <andrew_apex> ascii is so inefficient...
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> Add 32 bytes at teh end of FEC, and ...
[20:50] <andrew_apex> but then it means fldigi can be used as it currently is
[20:50] <Elmar_PD3EM> for over the horizon we need HF on the payload....
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[20:51] <Lunar_Lander_> hello
[20:51] <r2x0t> also imagine all this saved space in CPU if you don't need to format the GPS string, convert it to ascii....
[20:51] <Elmar_PD3EM> hi LL
[20:51] <andrew_apex> hi Lunar_Lander_
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander_> h
[20:51] <jonsowman> Elmar_PD3EM: absolutely. no amount of clever coding or demodulation is going to get you a decode at 434MHz
[20:51] <r2x0t> just copy raw GPS coords to output frame
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander_> hi
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> Also - it's nice having 'standard' formats, that randoms without fldigi can pick up
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander_> back from a weekend in Nuremberg
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander_> do we have a flight at the moment?
[20:51] <jonsowman> SpeedEvil: also true
[20:51] <fsphil> yea, good point SpeedEvil
[20:51] <andrew_apex> Lunar_Lander_: nothing in the air at the moment
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander_> cause Upu_2E0UPU is with his callsign
[20:52] <Elmar_PD3EM> only at sea...
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander_> OHHH
[20:52] <andrew_apex> although Buzz is being recovered (hopefully)! from the sea
[20:52] <fsphil> my last flight mixed binary packets and text strings
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander_> who flew?
[20:52] <andrew_apex> everyone :P
[20:52] <MrScienceMan> no flights, but perhaps a man over board?
[20:52] <r2x0t> no news from him
[20:52] <Colin-G8TMV> Lunar_Lander_: 4 payloads on 3 balloons
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander_> awesome!
[20:52] <r2x0t> probably drinking beer somewhere
[20:52] <Elmar_PD3EM> it stays very silent from Dave and the recovery....
[20:53] <r2x0t> ...or water lol
[20:53] <andrew_apex> yeah... :/
[20:53] <jonsowman> haha
[20:53] <jonsowman> :|
[20:54] <MrScienceMan> drunk is better than drowned
[20:54] <Elmar_PD3EM> lol
[20:55] <fsphil> drowned in drink?
[20:55] <jonsowman> second time he's managed to land a payload a couple of km offshore
[20:55] <andrew_apex> get him "drunk is better than drowned" on a tshirt :D
[20:55] <jonsowman> impressive
[20:55] <fsphil> I at least managed to get it very offshore
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander_> I am btw now prepared for tracking
[20:55] <jonsowman> andrew_apex: let's wait for news, otherwise that could be extremely insensitive
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander_> as I spent 18 hrs in trains this weekend
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander_> to nuremberg and back
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander_> some 1000 km or so
[20:56] Action: fsphil drove 100km today
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander_> I think I can spend time in a tracking car like this too
[20:56] <Elmar_PD3EM> thats a long way Lunar_Lander_
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander_> and I bought an old IBM ThinkPad T23 for tracking
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[20:56] <fsphil> nice choice of laptop (I have the same one)
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander_> does it run XP well?
[20:57] <fsphil> have you found the built-in light?
[20:57] <fsphil> I run linux on it
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander_> I ordered it from ebay on the 1st
[20:57] <fsphil> which runs very well
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander_> was shipped on the 3rd
[20:57] <Colin-G8TMV> I have a T23 too, set it up dual boot XP and Debian
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander_> I hope it comes tomorrow
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[20:57] <fsphil> I'm gonna stick Debian on my old mac tomorrow
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander_> it's the version with 512 MB RAM, P III and 30 GB HDD
[20:58] <Elmar_PD3EM> that's old....
[20:58] <Colin-G8TMV> which screen?
[20:58] <fsphil> I think mine has 1Gb
[20:58] <Colin-G8TMV> Elmar_PD3EM: the T23 was the hot laptop for company Execs in 2002
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander_> I payed 85 euro
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander_> it got a port replicator too
[20:59] <fsphil> I got an old laptop because I wanted a 4:3 screen that wasn't a mirror
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander_> 14" screen? can that be?
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[20:59] <Colin-G8TMV> the docking bar is useful
[20:59] <jonsowman> fsphil: macbook...
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander_> a friend got a lenovo thinkpad
[20:59] Action: jonsowman hides
[20:59] <Elmar_PD3EM> good old times....
[20:59] <Colin-G8TMV> there are 2 screens avail, 1024x768 and 1260,800 ish
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander_> he said that it isn't that robust than the IBM ones were
[21:00] <Colin-G8TMV> mine is the smaller unfortunately
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander_> afaik I got the smaller one too
[21:00] <fsphil> my screen was 1024x768
[21:00] <fsphil> which is a bit limited tbh
[21:00] <Colin-G8TMV> Lunar_Lander_: yes the new Lenovo ones are more plastic, the T23 era ones have Titanium chassis
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah
[21:01] <fsphil> jonsowman, meh
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander_> I found that they cost 4000 euro or so when they came out
[21:01] <Elmar_PD3EM> recently found an old Radio Shack catalog from '78 or so with the high tech computers from that time ;-)
[21:01] <fsphil> I'd still like a pixel QI screen
[21:01] <fsphil> but they don't make them for anything but the mini-laptops
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander_> xD Elmar_PD3EM yea
[21:01] <Elmar_PD3EM> fun to read that Lunar_Lander_
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander_> btw what is it about that red dot in the thinkpad's keyboard?
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[21:01] <fsphil> I love going through old magazines
[21:01] <fsphil> it's the mouse Lunar_Lander_
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander_> how do you use it?
[21:02] <fsphil> push it
[21:02] <fsphil> it's like a joystick
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander_> cool
[21:02] <Colin-G8TMV> it's the track/force stick
[21:02] <fsphil> much better than the finger pad I think
[21:02] <fsphil> I don't use the tracker at all
[21:02] <Colin-G8TMV> takes some getting used to
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[21:02] <Elmar_PD3EM> Bill Gates said that we didn't need more memory on a PC than 640 kB some years ago....
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander_> rofl year
[21:02] <Colin-G8TMV> T23 doesn't have a trackpad, just the buttons
[21:03] <fsphil> sure? maybe it isn't the T23 I have...
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander_> I got two IBMs then
[21:03] <fsphil> oooh mine's a T60
[21:03] <fsphil> I was way out
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander_> that one and a A50p ThinkCentre
[21:03] <fsphil> I think my old one was a T23
[21:04] <fsphil> my niece nicked my T23
[21:04] <Lunar_Lander_> OHHH how that?
[21:04] <fsphil> "borrowed" it
[21:04] <Lunar_Lander_> they are like indestructible
[21:04] <Lunar_Lander_> ran it over with a car?
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> I just bought a 'new' T61
[21:05] <SpeedEvil> - to go with my half-price 30" display
[21:05] <Colin-G8TMV> Also T23 is limited to 512Mb RAM max
[21:05] <SpeedEvil> 2560x1600++
[21:05] <SpeedEvil> (I need to get it setup and working)
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander_> but it is good, as long as it can run dl-fldigi and arduino
[21:05] <Colin-G8TMV> yeah, I use mine with (dl-)fldigi
[21:05] <Elmar_PD3EM> bummer...... I heared a ham on 20m ask "What's my report and what's my name?".....
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander_> lol
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[21:10] <fsphil> "who am I? are we along in the universe?"
[21:10] <fsphil> alone*
[21:10] <Elmar_PD3EM> lol
[21:10] Nick change: Lunar_Lander_ -> Lunar_Lander
[21:10] <number10> thanks to everyone who tracked today - a pic from ANU http://imgur.com/gD1u3
[21:10] <jonsowman> very nice :D
[21:11] <number10> thank, the short video with cheap keyring seems reasonably successful
[21:11] <number10> +s
[21:12] <fsphil> nice. I can see the cloud that's covering my house
[21:13] <jonsowman> number10: yeah they're surprisingly not bad
[21:13] <Elmar_PD3EM> nice shot number10
[21:13] <number10> thanks,
[21:13] <fsphil> indeed
[21:13] <fsphil> no problems with the recoery?
[21:13] <fsphil> +v
[21:14] <Elmar_PD3EM> going QRT....
[21:14] <number10> recovery easy, got signal stopped car walked a coule of yards to gap in field hedge and was 20m away
[21:14] <fsphil> ah perfect
[21:14] <number10> I was pleased :)
[21:15] <number10> daveakes Buxx was a little unfortunate - I am sure he will give details when he is home
[21:15] <Colin-G8TMV> number10: well don't tell Dave
[21:15] <number10> Buzz
[21:15] <number10> thanks Colin-G8TMV
[21:15] <number10> we managed to get signal when it was in sea.
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[21:16] <number10> phone habour master, he said someone was going that way in boat about 1/2 hour before
[21:16] <number10> +d
[21:17] <Elmar_PD3EM> and?
[21:19] <fsphil> aliens
[21:19] <number10> he put us on to marine company who deal with the boats to the wind farm construction, but they only had answer machine - so unfortunately no luck
[21:20] <fsphil> aww
[21:20] <number10> but we met a retiered fisherman who will radio the crabbing boats tomorrow
[21:20] <Elmar_PD3EM> owh...
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[21:21] <number10> daveake will probably want to tell you details later
[21:22] <Elmar_PD3EM> ok. we'll hear the rest from daveake
[21:22] <Elmar_PD3EM> gotta go.... way too late allready ;-)
[21:22] <Elmar_PD3EM> cul
[21:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> im out too, gn
[21:23] <Elmar_PD3EM> GN all
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[21:37] <Upuiphone> hello did Buzz get recovered ?
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> hi Upuiphone
[21:38] <Upuiphone> hey lunar
[21:38] <Upuiphone> just a fly by
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> I don't know about that
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> number10 said earlier
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> <number10> thanks to everyone who tracked today - a pic from ANU http://imgur.com/gD1u3
[21:39] <number10> hi Upuiphone we recieved telemetry when in sea, but couldnt get a boat
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[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[21:44] <fsphil> poor buzz
[21:45] <number10> yes, poor dave he has had three in the sea, lucky recovery last time
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> btw when i went to nuremberg, those 18 hrs in the trains, I had printed out so many papers like from the proceedings of the royal society and so on
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> that I didn't even finish them when I came home
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> thank you royal society!
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[22:07] <r2x0t> good webpage describing different cheap video recording carkey cameras from ebay: http://www.chucklohr.com/808/
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> Chuck is awesome
[22:08] <andrew_apex> one of those was sent up on the second flight of Apex III
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[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> how did it perform?
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[22:13] <andrew_apex> we bought it very close to the launch, so got a very cheap one from the UK. Not sure what number, but not a good one! Lots of dropped frames and poor resolution...
[22:14] <andrew_apex> danielsaul may know more
[22:14] <danielsaul> ?
[22:14] <danielsaul> Oh
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> I also got one to test
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> put it for 7 h in the -77°C freezer
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> still works
[22:15] <danielsaul> I bought an awful one - planning on getting a #16 soon
[22:15] <andrew_apex> hang on a mo, go back to the bit where you have a -77°C freezer :D?
[22:15] <andrew_apex> I've got lots of #3s
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> yes, the laboratory has one of those
[22:15] <danielsaul> Took out the battery of this one, and hooked it up to Energizer Lithiums
[22:16] <andrew_apex> nice :) where do you work/what do you do?
[22:17] <danielsaul> The one I ended up with was a #14
[22:17] <danielsaul> http://www.chucklohr.com/808/C14/index.html
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> that is in the biophysical laboratory at my university
[22:17] <andrew_apex> ah cool
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.macromol.uni-osnabrueck.de/indexeng.php
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> the 6 Ah sparkfun lithium also still works
[22:21] <andrew_apex> although I'd expect the capacity to be way lower than that at cold temperatures
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[22:26] <Lunar_Lander> the objective was to try if it could still actuate a cutdown wire
[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> but I got the wrong MOSFET
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[22:27] <andrew_apex> not logic level?
[22:28] <MrScienceMan> is nichrome wire the easiest way to cutdown?
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[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> andrew_apex, well, 3.3 V is too less voltage to actuate it
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> the sparkfun one can be actuated at 3.3V
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[22:29] <andrew_apex> ah, ok
[22:29] Nick change: andrew_apex -> priyesh
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> it took 5 mins to cut the nylon cord
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> when I bypassed the mosfet, the wire was like, orange hot immediately
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> even with the still cold battery
[22:29] Nick change: danielsaul -> andrew_apex
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[22:30] <fsphil> identity crisis?
[22:30] <andrew_apex> ;)
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander> is that like the game with the three shells or so and you need to try to see where the peanut is?
[22:30] <andrew_apex> real priyesh is going to be confused when he logs back in
[22:31] <priyesh> I'm confused at the moment :P
[22:31] <fsphil> I have a few logic level mosfets somewhere. was going to use them to drive a motor
[22:31] <fsphil> yet another project that'll never get finished :)
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[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> but how is that shell game called?
[22:32] <priyesh> take that andrew_apex :P (me...)
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[22:32] <danielsaul> It doesnt like me pretending to be andrew_apex :/
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[22:33] <danielsaul> real priyesh :D
[22:33] <danielsaul> err
[22:33] <priyesh_> whoops
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> but how is that shell game called?
[22:33] <priyesh> oi
[22:33] <priyesh> that's not me
[22:33] <priyesh_> why am I not andrew_apex?
[22:33] Nick change: priyesh_ -> andrew_apex
[22:33] <priyesh> good
[22:33] <fsphil> my head has already exploded once today
[22:33] <priyesh> identity crisis and all
[22:34] <priyesh> i quit and then everyone starts stealing my nick
[22:34] <priyesh> :P
[22:34] <andrew_apex> i stole yours, danielsaul stole mine :P
[22:34] <andrew_apex> i kicked him, you kicked me :D
[22:35] <priyesh> :P
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[23:05] <Laurenceb_> http://www.themagpi.com/
[23:06] <Laurenceb_> its soo baad
[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> what is it?
[23:06] <Laurenceb_> a graphic disaster i think
[23:13] <Laurenceb_> not as bad as the end of homeland
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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