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[04:16] <griffonbot> @jecadantic: @MikePosner #cusf #springconcert http://t.co/SETWdiKs [http://twitter.com/jecadantic/status/198627248000081920]
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[06:19] <griffonbot> @ArkaitzFabregas: De camino al BEC! #habe2 [http://twitter.com/ArkaitzFabregas/status/198658084057522176]
[06:32] <griffonbot> @IbaiMeruBrother: Ya en el metro con @Naiarasexsimbol @itxasosexsimbol y #JulenArmario camino al BEC para hacer el #idazlana del #HABE2 [http://twitter.com/IbaiMeruBrother/status/198661548091256833]
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[06:59] <griffonbot> @ArkaitzFabregas: Enpieza la fiesta, uhh k nervios jajaja #habe2 [http://twitter.com/ArkaitzFabregas/status/198668255236337665]
[07:30] <Upu> morning
[07:41] <WillDuckworth> morning Upu
[07:41] <WillDuckworth> how's the web store going?
[07:41] <Upu> very well
[07:41] <Upu> new product launching soon
[07:41] <Upu> GPS breakout with built in level converters etc
[07:41] <Upu> but going well thanks
[07:41] <WillDuckworth> good stuff
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[07:42] <WillDuckworth> heard any more martlet newes / pics
[07:43] <Upu> nope
[07:43] <Upu> not heard anything
[07:47] <Upu> 5m/s ? http://i.imgur.com/q0YVQ.jpg
[07:50] <WillDuckworth> looks like another of rocketboy's specials
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[08:08] <griffonbot> @AlbaMySelf: Suerte para todos los que tenemos examen de #habe3 #habe2 y #habe1 [http://twitter.com/AlbaMySelf/status/198685677754400768]
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[08:09] <griffonbot> @EnekoArranz: Jajajajajajajaja menudo chachiexamen que me currao en el bec! El unico con la camiseta del athletic. #Mandacojones #Habe2 [http://twitter.com/EnekoArranz/status/198685849389498368]
[08:10] <griffonbot> @ItziUrcelay: Pues nada acabado el examen del #Habe2 a esperar ahora a @FatiSaiz y a la biblio a estudiar #Historia [http://twitter.com/ItziUrcelay/status/198686104172498944]
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[08:36] <number10> Is this correct entrance to Elsworth? http://i.imgur.com/65ebQ.jpg
[08:37] <Upu> yes
[08:37] <number10> :)
[08:37] <number10> ta
[08:37] <Upu> http://g.co/maps/kncfh
[08:38] <Upu> or from the way your coming http://g.co/maps/gh2pf
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[08:40] <number10> cheers Upu
[08:40] <number10> I bet that puddle by the entrance is larger
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[08:43] <daveake> I bet so too
[08:46] <daveake> Much more of this drought and we'll all need 4x4s for our chase cars
[08:47] <number10> I needed one on thurday going to work
[08:47] <number10> +s
[08:47] <jonsowman> are you launching from there tomorrow?
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[08:47] <jonsowman> (cloud/anu/buzz are tomorrow right?)
[08:47] <daveake> Yep
[08:48] <daveake> Can you move in the calendar?
[08:48] <jonsowman> i think that's just set by the launch time in the flight doc
[08:48] Action: jonsowman investigates
[08:48] <daveake> It is
[08:48] <jonsowman> what time are you launching?
[08:49] <daveake> XABEN should be 9am BST; ANU/CLOUD (one balloon 2 payloads) at 9:30, and BUZZ at 10:00
[08:49] <jonsowman> cool
[08:50] <daveake> I think that currently ANU and BUZZ are under the same doc but that's wrong now
[08:50] <daveake> Early launches because the rocket boys will be aiming stuff at us after
[08:51] <jonsowman> haha
[08:51] <daveake> I know I joked about a 4x4 being the "6th stage of HAB expenditure", but I can see that one coming :D
[08:51] <jonsowman> if i need a break from revision i might pop along for an hour or so
[08:51] <daveake> cool
[08:51] <jonsowman> i assume steve'll be there
[08:51] <daveake> Steve will be there from 8am
[08:52] <jonsowman> :)
[08:52] <daveake> Well XABEN won't happen otherwise :D
[08:52] <andrew_apex> is there an easy way of seeing all upcoming flights? the list on ukhas is rather old...
[08:52] <daveake> Well none of them will as it's his notam
[08:52] <jonsowman> andrew_apex: ukhas calendar
[08:52] <andrew_apex> is that the google calender?
[08:52] <daveake> yep
[08:53] <daveake> You can add it to your own google calendar, or insert it in a web page. I've done the latter for my HAB blog
[08:54] <daveake> Steve is aiming for an 8am start at Elsworth; David (number10) and I from 8:30am
[08:54] <griffonbot> @andreita95_5: Ale #habe2 terminado! [http://twitter.com/andreita95_5/status/198697236962607104]
[08:55] <jonsowman> daveake: may see you there
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[08:55] <jonsowman> i need to get out of college for a bit!
[08:56] <daveake> I bet!
[08:56] <fsphil-laptop> #habe2 seems to be full of spam
[08:56] <jonsowman> daveake: H2 or He?
[08:56] <number10> ah we can get to see th inside of your PUG with the console removed jonsowman
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[08:57] <jonsowman> number10: haha the car is mostly in one piece at the moment
[08:57] <daveake> H2
[08:57] <daveake> All 3
[08:57] <jonsowman> give it till after exams are over, i'm sure it won't last long
[08:57] <jonsowman> daveake: okay, i was wondering if you could do with the CUSF launch kit
[08:57] <jonsowman> but it's an He reg, so no
[08:58] <daveake> Not bringing the Pug .... can't get the cylinder in !
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[08:58] <daveake> (Well I doubt It can, and I;'m not going to try!)
[08:58] <jonsowman> ah that's a shame, would like to have a look at it :)
[08:58] <daveake> Ah
[08:58] <jonsowman> haha yeah probably not worth the possible damage
[08:58] <daveake> Yeah, but I have the cylinder
[08:58] <number10> jonsowman: I think daveake has all the kit we need
[08:58] <daveake> damage? to my back you mean? :)
[08:58] <jonsowman> daveake: yep!
[08:58] <jonsowman> number10: righto
[08:58] <daveake> Steve has the regulator etc
[08:59] <jonsowman> if you need anything, let me know before tomorrow morning and i can stop at the lab and get it
[08:59] <daveake> I left them with him on account of him being more likely to use them next
[08:59] <daveake> Thanks, but we're sorted :)
[08:59] <jonsowman> good good
[09:00] <number10> has steve got the spanner for the valve?
[09:00] <daveake> However, it will need to be tthe first flight where I've not had to go home for something .... :p
[09:00] <jonsowman> haha
[09:00] <number10> to far to go home this time
[09:00] <daveake> yep
[09:01] <daveake> 2 hours not 20 secs
[09:01] <daveake> number10 yes I left Steve with the ref, spanner and key
[09:02] <daveake> So yeah, without the car PC, it'll be Julie's Picasso with a windscreen full of kit
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[09:04] <jonsowman> unfortunately my radio is in scotland with Martlet at the moment
[09:04] <daveake> Oh, I fixed the issue with my chase car upload hanging up. Just needed the upload code to abort after a timeout. I thought the upload function did that itself. Strangely, it only ever failed via T-Mobile and never via O2.
[09:05] <daveake> Suppose somewhere along the line there was a timeout that triggered the upload to abort with a fail, rather than sit there waiting. Anyway, works now.
[09:06] <daveake> Yeah one of my trackers is up in Scotland too :)
[09:06] <daveake> Resulted in me having to make another one for tomorrow
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[09:07] <jonsowman> dates are changed in the calendar btw daveake
[09:07] <jonsowman> should update at some point
[09:07] <jonsowman> maybe
[09:07] <daveake> Cheers
[09:07] <daveake> yeah, ina few hours probably
[09:09] <jonsowman> got a link for some prediction for tomorrow?
[09:10] <fsphil-laptop> you must be getting good at making these trackers now daveake
[09:11] <daveake> links - justamo
[09:11] <number10> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=75425b1431509d93fd999113e72799a68a8172d4
[09:11] <daveake> trackers - yeah, pretty quick now :)
[09:12] <Colin-G8TMV> Any idea what time the launch is today?
[09:12] <daveake> Early afternoon. I think 1pm was mentioned
[09:12] <Colin-G8TMV> Ah, ok, I've got time to do other stuff first then - bbl
[09:12] <jonsowman> daveake: ok, if they get any nearer Thetford then it's best to best to the West Tofts range to let them know
[09:12] <number10> probably the wrong time on that predict for ANU/CLOUD but there abouts
[09:12] <daveake> and Buzz - http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=579a04909e76940aabe3333a8ca791efc054bd77
[09:12] <jonsowman> *speak to the
[09:13] <daveake> ta
[09:13] <daveake> Presoomably Steve has their number?
[09:13] <daveake> ah gottit I see :)
[09:14] <jonsowman> :)
[09:14] <jonsowman> time for some fun exciting revision, bbl
[09:14] <daveake> nice
[09:15] <number10> have fun jonsowman
[09:15] <daveake> and I have a payload to paint ....
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[09:32] <daveake> http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/hundreds-injured-as-gas-balloons-explode-819471
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[09:33] <andrew_apex> whoa!
[09:34] <andrew_apex> whose idea was it to use hydrogen??
[09:34] Action: daveake checks what cylinder is in the back of his car ...
[09:34] <daveake> :D
[09:34] <daveake> Someone saving money?
[09:34] <Randomskk> hey guys http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4298957/Rocket-heads-for-the-heavens-after-launch-in-Scottish-highlands.html
[09:34] <andrew_apex> shortest article ever :P
[09:34] <Randomskk> check out the amazing comments
[09:35] <Randomskk> "more space junk someone in the future is gonna have to clean up"
[09:35] <andrew_apex> better get on that Randomskk :P
[09:35] <Randomskk> "Oh I am so thrilled that this is the best way for a university to spend money, how about a cure for cancer, another energy source or even better, a way to get out of the EU"
[09:35] <daveake> lol
[09:35] <andrew_apex> I'm really concerned about the amount of space junk at 25000 feet...
[09:35] <daveake> Or, why don't those who read the Sun then make stupid comments go do something useful?
[09:36] <daveake> yeah, loads of junk orbiting at 25,000 feet
[09:36] <Randomskk> it's an especially dangerous orbit due to all the jet liners too
[09:36] <daveake> true
[09:37] <andrew_apex> do the jet liners count as space junk?
[09:37] <Randomskk> I just don't know.
[09:38] <daveake> The space I'm worried about is between the ears of Sun readers
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[10:00] <fsphil-laptop> I can't help but come away from the sun website without feeling sad for the human race
[10:00] <fsphil-laptop> but, great picture
[10:00] <Randomskk> yes it's a shame about the rest of the website
[10:00] <Randomskk> hopefully more reputable publications will pick the story up
[10:04] <Dutch-Mill> ping PD3EM
[10:05] <cuddykid> daveake: they were saying "helium balloons" on sky news - silly people
[10:06] <andrew_apex> that's almost as bad as the sun...
[10:06] <fsphil-laptop> was the second stage recovered?
[10:06] <Randomskk> not yet
[10:06] <Randomskk> iain and ed were hiking through a blizzard yesterday
[10:06] <fsphil-laptop> eek
[10:06] <Randomskk> but still haven't covered the entire landing area
[10:06] <Randomskk> so
[10:06] <Randomskk> hopefully soon
[10:07] <Randomskk> especially as it has the fin camera and the nosecone camera
[10:07] <Randomskk> and the gps data
[10:07] <fsphil-laptop> was there a tracker on it?
[10:07] <cuddykid> lol the comments - "Oh I am so thrilled that this is the best way for a university to spend money, how about a cure for cancer, another energy source or even better, a way to get out of the EU"
[10:07] <Randomskk> cuddykid: wait til you see the one about space junk :D
[10:07] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[10:07] <cuddykid> haha, yes :D
[10:08] <andrew_apex> Randomskk: how do you plan to recover the second stage from orbit then :)?
[10:09] <Randomskk> it has de-orbiting rockets and ablative heat shield
[10:09] <Randomskk> this is a very well thought out project
[10:09] <andrew_apex> ah, nice thinking
[10:09] <Randomskk> just waiting to get the pass right so it lands in cambridge
[10:09] <SpeedEvil> All things have ablative heatshields.
[10:09] <Randomskk> sweeping statement
[10:10] <Randomskk> *most* things :P
[10:10] <russss> heh
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[10:50] <griffonbot> Received email: "[UKHAS] view after VORTEX and HELIOSS flights"
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[11:12] <Tonny> Hi from Zoutleeuw
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[11:13] <Tonny> Any news about the balloons ?
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[11:24] <Tonny> exit
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[11:27] <cuddykid> this looks quite good - http://www.rubymotion.com/
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[11:28] <Randomskk> it's been taking my twitter/rss feeds by storm in the last few days
[11:28] <Randomskk> including people very dubious about how it's not actually open source
[11:28] <Randomskk> but in theory, pretty great. ruby's a lot nicer than c#
[11:28] <cuddykid> yeah, keen to try it, but a steep price tag!
[11:29] <Randomskk> indeed
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[11:32] <NickB1> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/howest---elit
[11:33] <NickB1> live stream :)
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[11:34] <Upu> n1 NickB1
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[11:37] <fsphil-laptop> grr ustream, stop spamming me about facebook
[11:38] <fsphil-laptop> cool, you've got an aircraft hanger!
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[11:39] <on7ds> ON stations,is de ballon in Wevelgem opgestegen?
[11:41] <ON7SD> Dag Dirk, zo te zien op ustream : NOG NIET , 73
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[11:42] <on7ds> hoi ook goeiedag Dirk,bedankt voor de info.
[11:43] <on7ds> oh,is er live Ustream video te zien?
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[11:44] <ON7SD> ja : zie url om 13:32
[11:44] <ON7SD> tav on7sd : nu aan het opblazen
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[11:51] <on7ds> yep,video staat aan,had de url over het hoofd gezien.
[11:51] <on7ds> hier in Kontich nog steeds aan het regenen.
[11:53] <ON7SD> tav on7ds in Waregem enkele druppeltjes ong. 1 uur geleden
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[11:54] <costyn_> livestream is very cool!
[11:55] <costyn_> I will try to track later
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[11:56] <Dutch-Mill> Oke SeeY costyn_
[11:58] <costyn_> looks like Falcon will be landing within about 10KM from my in-laws ; they live in Veere
[11:58] <costyn_> is PD3EM going to chase it?
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[12:28] <Lucb> I am looking for the url of live video stream ..... anybody ??
[12:28] <costyn_> Lucb: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/howest---elit
[12:29] <Lucb> ok thanks, I will try it ....
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[12:30] <ON5RZ> can someone confirm 7bit, 1 stop bit, no parity for HoWest , is in contradiction to loaded flight data in fldigi
[12:32] <costyn_> ON5RZ: Peter's mail says: TX is 434.075MHz 425Hz shift 50baud RTTY, 7bit, 1 stop bit, no
[12:32] <costyn_> parity
[12:32] <costyn_> wait
[12:32] <costyn_> that's for falcon
[12:32] <costyn_> howest: The TX is 434.650MHz 425Hz shift 50baud RTTY, 8bit.
[12:33] <ON5RZ> sorry it's for FALCON pse
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[12:55] <Elmar_PD3EM> good afternoon!
[12:55] <Elmar_PD3EM> any news on the launches?
[12:56] <Lucb> It will start in a few minutes
[12:57] <costyn_> Elmar_PD3EM: looking at the livestream it seems they're almost going to launch
[12:57] <Upu> has live stream frozen ?
[12:57] <Elmar_PD3EM> great! I just dropped in after a busy morning...
[12:57] <costyn_> Upu: yea did for me
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[12:58] <Upu> oh its back
[12:59] <Upu> no howest ?
[12:59] <Upu> ah there it is
[13:00] <Upu> up
[13:00] <ON5RZ> I can hear Howest
[13:00] <Upu> shame the stream died just as it launched
[13:00] <Upu> dial frequency ON5RZ ?
[13:00] <costyn_> heh that is a shame :)
[13:01] <costyn_> pff lots of water where they're headed
[13:01] <ON5RZ> 434.770
[13:01] <Upu> 770 ?
[13:01] <Upu> sure your radio is calibrated ok ? :)
[13:04] <Lucb> freq Howest 435,651.830 usb
[13:06] <Laurenceb_> it might float
[13:09] <ON5RZ> with usb shift from 1.1 idd.
[13:09] <ON5RZ> ;-)
[13:10] <Elmar_PD3EM> getting both now
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[13:15] <Colin-G8TMV> what dial freq are the payloads on?
[13:16] <Elmar_PD3EM> 434.075 and 434.651
[13:16] <Colin-G8TMV> Thanks
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[13:21] <nosebleedkt> hi
[13:23] <Elmar_PD3EM> Is the team going to chase the balloons them self?
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[13:27] <NickB1> yes multiple cars
[13:27] <Elmar_PD3EM> ok. great
[13:27] <Laurenceb_> Howest getting a better signal?
[13:28] <Elmar_PD3EM> or sent the balloons over here ;-)
[13:29] Action: Colin-G8TMV is tracking Howest
[13:29] <Colin-G8TMV> First time I've used my TS-790E for this took a bit of sorting out of the interface
[13:32] <Graham_G3VZV> falcon seems about 3dB weaker here - both shifts are low
[13:32] <Colin-G8TMV> yup, I had to tweak the shift down to 410
[13:36] <nosebleedkt> Hi all, this is my first attempt for payload to parachute connection: http://imagebin.org/211101
[13:36] <nosebleedkt> Does anyone have some advice for me?
[13:39] <Upu> can see it
[13:40] <nosebleedkt> Upu: talking to me?
[13:40] <Upu> no just anyone listening
[13:40] <Upu> err yeah its made of metal :)
[13:40] <Upu> as long as the knots are ok
[13:41] <daveake_> If only someone would put a knot guide up in the wiki ...
[13:41] <nosebleedkt> what is a knot ?
[13:42] Action: Upu raises his finger
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[13:42] <Upu> imagine
[13:42] <nosebleedkt> Im trying to follow gaga's 1 stack
[13:42] <Colin-G8TMV> How often is the Rx station info updated on the tracker?
[13:42] <Upu> $$HOWEST,29113:42:0151.014270,3.268890,12800,0*1
[13:42] <Upu> almost
[13:43] <nosebleedkt> Upu can u answer ? :)
[13:43] <nosebleedkt> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-o46DGfdJ9ps/TXyuYqSgrhI/AAAAAAAAAgA/PWZyVJWk630/s1600/Picture%2B3.png
[13:43] <Upu> yep thats fine to follow
[13:43] <Colin-G8TMV> nosebleedkt: a knot is the method for tying the rope
[13:43] <Upu> the theory is if the balloon bursts you don't want it smacking into the payload
[13:43] <nosebleedkt> yes,
[13:44] <daveake_> As happened on that One Show flight
[13:44] <nosebleedkt> my knot is good?
[13:44] <Upu> so use a ratio of 1:2 for distance between balloon to parachute / parachute to payload
[13:44] <Upu> I don't know hard to tell
[13:44] <Upu> but you don't need the metal bit
[13:44] <Upu> Ed's knots are stronger than steel
[13:44] <Upu> or my fingers
[13:44] <nosebleedkt> the metal thing should work as antispin
[13:45] <nosebleedkt> and Im following the picture below..
[13:45] <nosebleedkt> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-o46DGfdJ9ps/TXyuYqSgrhI/AAAAAAAAAgA/PWZyVJWk630/s1600/Picture%2B3.png
[13:45] <Upu> yep
[13:46] <Upu> have you seen the knots guide ?
[13:46] <nosebleedkt> erm no!
[13:46] <Upu> 460.5km
[13:46] <daveake_> not bad
[13:47] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:knots
[13:47] <Upu> horribly noisy
[13:48] <Upu> I just bought a FCD :)
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> neat
[13:48] <Colin-G8TMV> FCD?
[13:48] <daveake_> FunCube Dongle
[13:48] <Colin-G8TMV> Oh, right - have fun
[13:48] <daveake_> SDR
[13:49] <nosebleedkt> ah now i got what you mean knot
[13:49] <nosebleedkt> :)
[13:49] <Colin-G8TMV> I'm still experimenting with my TS-790, it's old but it's a good rig and it was an Ebay bargain
[13:49] <nosebleedkt> Ok, my metal thing is just for antispin. No worries for it.
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[13:50] <nosebleedkt> Who is the guy that did the GAGA payload?
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[13:50] <craag> How do people use the FCD with dl-fldigi? I've just got myself an rtl-sdr.
[13:50] <Upu> John Graham-Cumming
[13:50] <Upu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rzAL5YwFow
[13:50] <Upu> this chap
[13:51] <Upu> tell you in about a week craag
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[13:51] <jonsowman> craag: hdsdr
[13:51] <craag> I've tried PowerSDR => Virtual Audio Cable => dl-fldigi, but whereas I could see the RTTY in PowerSDR, it was far weaker in dl-fldigi.
[13:52] <nosebleedkt> Upu: does he join this channel ?
[13:52] <Upu> occasionally yes
[13:52] <Upu> as jgc
[13:52] <craag> jonsowman: My bad, it was HDSDR I was using - how do you pipe it to dl-fldigi?
[13:52] <jonsowman> craag: speak to Matt_soton
[13:53] <jonsowman> he's done it with an rtl/e4k
[13:53] <nosebleedkt> from these two metals things which one do you think its better: http://imagebin.org/211100
[13:53] <craag> Ah cool. Thanks!
[13:53] <daveake_> craag I use HDSDR --> VAC --> dl-fldigi
[13:53] <Upu> personally I'd use neither nosebleedkt
[13:54] <nosebleedkt> and what do you use for antispin?
[13:54] <Upu> I don't
[13:54] <daveake_> woo woo
[13:54] <Upu> spinning helps with the pictures :)
[13:54] <nosebleedkt> how is that?
[13:54] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/IMG_6480_stitch.jpg
[13:54] <daveake_> Lots of different views
[13:54] <Upu> without spinning I wouldn't have got that
[13:54] <daveake_> If you're lucky you can stitch them together
[13:54] <Colin-G8TMV> Hmm... has the list of Rx's on the tracker packed up again?
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[13:55] <nosebleedkt> lol Upu, there is a small UFO in that pic !
[13:55] <Randomskk> doesn't look like it. what do you think is missing?
[13:55] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Possible ANU / BUZZ / CLOUD Launch - 5/5/2012"
[13:55] <Upu> I believe its called "the moon"
[13:55] <Colin-G8TMV> Ah, they are back, we were down to just one for a few mins
[13:55] <daveake_> lol
[13:55] <nosebleedkt> Upu not the moon dude ! right of the moon
[13:55] <nosebleedkt> and little white spot
[13:56] <nosebleedkt> s/and/a/
[13:56] <Upu> oh yeah
[13:56] <Upu> thats a UFO
[13:56] <nosebleedkt> :P
[13:56] <nosebleedkt> lol
[13:56] <Upu> nosebleedkt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSJElZwEI8o
[13:56] <nosebleedkt> well now you change my mind with the antispin
[13:57] <daveake_> There's apink UFO in http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/7038083877/in/set-72157629717191599/
[13:57] <daveake_> Upu's Flying Object
[13:58] <nosebleedkt> :p
[13:58] <Upu> if you get a slow spin going
[13:59] <Upu> you can get some nice panoramas from a non wide angle camera
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[13:59] <Colin-G8TMV> howest sems to have gone very wobbly
[13:59] <Upu> however its far from an exact science :)
[13:59] <nosebleedkt> well doesnt spinning affects the images?
[13:59] <nosebleedkt> So you get clear images while there is a lot of spinning?
[14:00] <Upu> let me show you something 1 sec
[14:00] <Upu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8cOzkUeso4
[14:00] <Upu> note the speed of the spin
[14:02] <nosebleedkt> lol thats cool
[14:03] <nosebleedkt> i noticed that the payload turned 1 time upside down
[14:03] <Upu> its bright up there so the shutter speed of the camera will be quick so even if its spiinning fast you may not notice
[14:03] <nosebleedkt> didnt this affect the parachute?
[14:03] <Upu> oh yeah burst is violent
[14:03] <Upu> can do
[14:03] <Upu> some payloads get tangled
[14:03] <Upu> its a risk
[14:03] <nosebleedkt> how you avoid such thing?
[14:03] <Upu> you try and mitigate against by the length of the cord
[14:04] <nosebleedkt> mitigate?
[14:04] <Upu> avoid
[14:04] <Upu> plan to avoid
[14:04] <nosebleedkt> yes ok
[14:04] <Upu> reduce the risk of :)
[14:04] <nosebleedkt> isn't graham's model of the stack a good to avoid that issue?
[14:05] <Upu> yes but personally I use slightly longer
[14:05] <Upu> 10 meters / 20 meters
[14:06] <Upu> ish
[14:07] <nosebleedkt> omg
[14:07] <Upu> daveake have you got the "train" picture to hand ?
[14:08] <Upu> https://picasaweb.google.com/118244444241111963790/201203AvaLaunch2GroundPhotosDALumix#5728378975511681938
[14:08] <Upu> found it
[14:14] <nosebleedkt> lol upu
[14:14] <nosebleedkt> thatas 20meters?
[14:14] <Upu> 30 probably
[14:14] <ON5RZ> howest audio is vy strange
[14:15] <r2x0t> > re HOWEST and FALCON: Are they same strength or maybe one have stronger signal?
[14:15] <gonzo_> falcon was weaker to me
[14:15] <ON5RZ> howest is going fubar
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[14:16] <r2x0t> hah, conflicting info
[14:16] <Elmar_PD3EM> missing most of howest decoding now....
[14:16] <r2x0t> want to try to rx one, maybe just see it on FFT
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[14:19] <ON5RZ> shift HOWESY now 360hz
[14:20] <Colin-G8TMV> signal is all over the place
[14:22] <Elmar_PD3EM> Falcon is suddenly very weak...
[14:23] <Elmar_PD3EM> and the howest signal seems to be on and off....
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[14:23] <ON5RZ> HoWest is almost game over I think
[14:23] <Colin-G8TMV> seems to have vanished
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[14:24] <ON5RZ> yup, no trace of it
[14:24] <Colin-G8TMV> battery packed up maybe
[14:24] <Colin-G8TMV> might be the cold
[14:25] <Elmar_PD3EM> strange.... but can indeed be cold or battery
[14:25] <ON5RZ> could be .. $HOWEST,481,16:19:30,51.144481,3.459630,27517,0*7BA6 was last package
[14:26] <Elmar_PD3EM> falcon is doing the same now with the signal on and of as howest earlier did
[14:27] <Colin-G8TMV> the tracker thinks falcon has burst
[14:27] <Elmar_PD3EM> looks so....
[14:28] <Colin-G8TMV> are they on the same balloon?
[14:29] <Elmar_PD3EM> don't think so
[14:30] <gonzo_> I've lost howest, but falcon is still there in the noise
[14:30] <ON5RZ> I only saw one balloon in the hangar being blown up
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[14:33] <Elmar_PD3EM> signal is stronger at lower altitude
[14:34] <Colin-G8TMV> I've got Falcon, but qrm is killing my decodes
[14:34] <Graham_G3VZV> same here on my colinear - whcih of course doesnt wrok well with elevated signals
[14:35] <Colin-G8TMV> ditto
[14:37] <Upu> whats dial on HOWEST ?
[14:37] <Colin-G8TMV> it appears to have died
[14:37] <Upu> ah was about to say
[14:38] <Upu> Falcon ?
[14:38] <Colin-G8TMV> 434.074
[14:39] <Upu> yeah thats very very weak here
[14:39] <Upu> no chance of decoding that
[14:39] <Colin-G8TMV> I'm getting decodes most of the time +/- qrm
[14:39] <Colin-G8TMV> but my colinear is at 40 feet
[14:40] <Upu> your alot closer too :)
[14:40] <Colin-G8TMV> true
[14:40] <Upu> give me a few weeks
[14:40] <Upu> Will put the Yagi up on the rotator when I get back from hols
[14:41] <Colin-G8TMV> funny, I'm going to do that soon too
[14:41] <Colin-G8TMV> I'm rebuilding both my 2m and 70cms beams
[14:41] <Colin-G8TMV> they both need some tlc after being up a pole for 30 odd yers
[14:41] <Colin-G8TMV> years
[14:42] <Upu> can imagine
[14:42] <Upu> if you can get the plugs off
[14:43] <Colin-G8TMV> it was the bolts that were the biggest problem
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[14:55] <Colin-G8TMV> right, falcon gone too
[14:56] <Elmar_PD3EM> much better decode now on 2.8km alt than on 29k
[14:57] <ON5RZ> idd op een bepaald ogenblik hing hij op 35° hier ;-)
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[14:57] <Elmar_PD3EM> haha dan heb je elevation rotor nodig ;-)
[14:58] <ON5RZ> dat zei ik hier ook lokaal op freq.. begint nu wel te minderen 11db
[14:58] <Elmar_PD3EM> s/n 5dB on 200 meter alt
[14:58] <Elmar_PD3EM> 2200 meter
[14:59] <ON5RZ> het wordt spannend - 11db op 1933 mtr.
[14:59] <Elmar_PD3EM> 105 km distance
[14:59] <ON5RZ> 52 km
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[15:00] <ON5RZ> signal sropping fast below 2 km 3db now
[15:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> s/n 0-4 dB 1624 alt 105 km sdist
[15:00] <ON5RZ> 1451 alt
[15:01] <ON5RZ> again 10db .. must be building
[15:01] <Elmar_PD3EM> s/n -6 dB
[15:01] <ON5RZ> 1036 3 db
[15:02] <Elmar_PD3EM> lost the decoding
[15:02] <Elmar_PD3EM> still on the waterfall
[15:02] <ON5RZ> 918 mtr
[15:03] <ON5RZ> package 920 : :51,051.32672,03.597
[15:03] <Elmar_PD3EM> completely gone now for me
[15:04] <ON5RZ> coming up again locked
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[15:05] <ON5RZ> lost after package 925
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[15:06] <andrew_apex> does anyone have a dial freq for howest?
[15:06] <Elmar_PD3EM> last good decode on package 913 at 1180 meter
[15:06] <ON5RZ> 051.32365,03.59178 final below 292 meter
[15:06] <ON5RZ> 924 was last goog package on 434.075,29
[15:06] <andrew_apex> is that falcon?
[15:07] <ON5RZ> yup
[15:07] <ON7DS> wat is er gebeurt met de Howest?
[15:09] <Elmar_PD3EM> it has landed in Turkeye.... sounds much more away as it is ;-)
[15:12] <ON5RZ> inderdaad
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[15:12] <ON5RZ> aan het einde van die laan met bomen langs ten noordoosten van de hoeve -
[15:12] <Elmar_PD3EM> be back later...
[15:13] <ON5RZ> Turkeijeweg tussen pand 6 en 39 4515 IJzendijke, Nederland
[15:14] <ON5RZ> 210 meter op 56 graden van de voordeur van de hoeve
[15:15] <ON5RZ> kunnen volledig decoderen tot 292 meter hoogte dirk
[15:18] <ON7DS> chique
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[16:27] <SamSilver_> Wel gedaan Falcon span
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[17:03] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Possible ANU / BUZZ / CLOUD Launch - 5/5/2012"
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[17:05] <SamSilver_> who is ann coulter?
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[17:56] <griffonbot> Received email: "[UKHAS] Falcon - Howest flight this saturday 5th"
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[19:05] <NickB1> Hi all
[19:05] <NickB1> flight went great
[19:05] <NickB1> and a fast recovery :)
[19:05] <NickB1> saw it land
[19:06] <NickB1> thanks all for decoding!
[19:11] <daveake> Good result :-)
[19:11] <daveake> 1 of 2 payloads now ready for tomorrow ... http://i.imgur.com/us5Bw.jpg
[19:12] <number10> thats great daveake
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[19:18] <cuddykid> nice daveake!!
[19:18] <cuddykid> love your payload designs
[19:19] <r2x0t> lol... that's 10/10 design
[19:19] <cuddykid> daveake: do you have a little switch or section that you can take out so you can start/stop payload electronics?
[19:19] <Colin-G8TMV> oops - he's fallen off
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[19:22] <Colin-G8TMV> daveake: payload is cute - you should make the eyes move!
[19:23] <number10> Not as artistic as daveakes payload here is ANU http://imgur.com/zONq5 needs some more pink tape tomorrow
[19:24] <chris_99> what's the foam pipe cladding for number10?
[19:24] <number10> its something I copied from CUSF
[19:24] <chris_99> what's it for though?
[19:24] <chris_99> the antenna
[19:24] <chris_99> ?
[19:24] <number10> yes
[19:24] <Colin-G8TMV> stop it stabbing things?
[19:25] <chris_99> heh
[19:25] <number10> that and will tip payload over
[19:25] <daveake> Colin-G8TMV The eyes do move :-)
[19:25] <daveake> (but not under computer control!)
[19:25] <number10> so antenna is not crumpled up under payload
[19:26] <Colin-G8TMV> number10: is the antenna a j-pole or something?
[19:26] <number10> 1/4 wave
[19:26] <number10> foam is light weight on radiator
[19:27] <daveake> Also number10's payload has got mine underneath and it's easy for the lines to the lower payload to bend the aerial of the upper one
[19:28] <daveake> afk food (and then 2nd payload)
[19:30] <daveake> more pix - http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/sets/72157629608288830/
[19:34] <Laurenceb_> haha wtf
[19:34] <Laurenceb_> seriously...
[19:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> love it :-)
[19:35] <Laurenceb_> how do you cut the polystyrene?
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[19:41] <daveake> That one was a ready-made polystyrene egg in 2 halves
[19:41] <daveake> easy peasy
[19:42] <daveake> smaller eggs and balls are solid. I have a small table hot-wire cutter for those and making boxes
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[19:55] <gonzo_> the thought makes the eyes water!
[19:56] <daveake> :)
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[20:45] <Laurenceb_> lolzers
[20:45] <Laurenceb_> http://www.labx.com/v2/adsearch/advertiserads.cfm?client=108579
[20:46] <Laurenceb_> i dont think they will make back the millions of dollars investment like that
[20:48] <Laurenceb_> Richard Weir == EEStor
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[21:15] <Laurenceb_> http://uk.farnell.com/multicomp/mcca000090/mlcc-0402-np0-50v-9pf/dp/1759654
[21:16] <Laurenceb_> nice, if you want 10k caps
[21:16] <Laurenceb_> 39millipence each
[21:49] <SpeedEvil> That's over 9000pF!
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