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[03:06] <griffonbot> Received email: Dan Bowen "Re: [UKHAS] Fw: [amsat-bb] USNA Party Balloon Success!"
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[07:53] <number10> morning
[07:53] <daveake> wet and windy
[07:53] <number10> yes.. we planned to go for a walk thismorining
[07:54] <daveake> You might need something to keep you attached to the ground
[07:55] <daveake> Glad we don;'t need to track any balloons today :)
[07:55] <number10> wouldnt be fun putting mast up
[07:56] <daveake> Nope
[07:58] <daveake> Wonder if my payload is still up that tree.
[07:58] <daveake> Wonder if the tree is still there :)
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[08:25] <Upu> good call not launching today I think :/
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[08:26] <fsphil-laptop> I should be launching today, it's perfect
[08:26] <fsphil-laptop> silly notams
[08:26] <Upu> not over here it isn't
[08:38] <daveake> There's about zero chance of me trying to get a mast up in these conditions
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[09:21] Action: jcoxon is searching for an old nokia small pin charger
[09:27] <SamSilver_> jcoxon: i got a few how urgent?
[09:27] <griffonbot> Received email: navrac "Re: [UKHAS] Fw: [amsat-bb] USNA Party Balloon Success!"
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[09:31] <jcoxon> no worries
[09:31] <jcoxon> i'll take it apart
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[09:37] <Upu> I have one as well if needed jcoxon just let me know
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[09:41] <fsphil-laptop> here too
[09:41] <fsphil-laptop> all my nokia phones broke
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[10:01] <griffonbot> Received email: Peter "=?windows-1252?Q?=5BUKHAS=5D_Howest_and_Falcon_launch_=96_Saturday_5_may?="
[10:02] <fsphil-laptop> yay, encoded email subjects
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[10:04] <daveake> yay more payloads than frequencies
[10:06] <fsphil-laptop> yes that may be a problem
[10:07] <number10> indeed :(
[10:07] <daveake> I've ordered some more rfm22bs today so I can be flexible
[10:07] <daveake> But bonzo, number10's and Steve's are all NTX2s
[10:08] <daveake> \\still, plenty of daylight hours to choose from :)
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[10:09] <number10> and howest and falcon who knows but even if they are not on 434.650 and .075 - I think thats too many
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[10:12] <daveake> Need to co-ordinate the timing really
[10:12] <daveake> Is bonzo a regular latex flight?
[10:14] <jcoxon> pico
[10:15] <daveake> Thanks, I did wonder
[10:16] <griffonbot> Received email: David Bowkis "=?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5BUKHAS=5D_Howest_and_Falcon_launch_=96_Saturday_5_?=
[10:18] <O2made> ? :P
[10:18] <O2made> griffonbot: What is that? :P
[10:18] <O2made> Is that a bot?
[10:18] <O2made> oh
[10:18] <O2made> Wrong channel
[10:20] <jcoxon> hmmm, managed to get the phone to boot
[10:20] <jcoxon> but no further
[10:20] <jcoxon> might be dead
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[10:23] <griffonbot> Received email: Graham Shirville "=?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5BUKHAS=5D_Howest_and_Falcon_launch_=96_Saturday_5_?=
[10:37] <Upu> which phone is it jcoxon ?
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[10:46] <Upu> going to have fun with frequencies this weekend
[10:46] <daveake> Yep. Hence today's rfm22b order :D
[10:47] <Upu> I'm going to have to purchase a FCD at some point I can see it
[10:47] <daveake> Do it :D
[10:47] <Upu> Well I would but between BoC and the antenna man I have no money left
[10:47] <Upu> Oh I need some new tyres too
[10:48] <Upu> and some new boots
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[11:17] <Bob_G8NSV> afternoon all
[11:17] <number10> hi
[11:17] <Bob_G8NSV> what a horrid day
[11:17] <Bob_G8NSV> p*ssing it down here
[11:17] <number10> is a bit nasty - and windy
[11:17] <Bob_G8NSV> very blowy
[11:18] <Bob_G8NSV> not a day for a launch!!!
[11:22] <number10> hope it gets better for next week
[11:26] <Bob_G8NSV> yes sadly im at work so will miss the launches, typical
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[11:37] <nosebleedkt> is there any reason why my two gps would interfere when they are very cloe?
[11:37] <nosebleedkt> close*
[11:37] <nosebleedkt> I dont say they actually interfere.
[11:38] <nosebleedkt> I just made a new payload where the gps modules are very close
[11:38] <Randomskk> should be fine
[11:38] <nosebleedkt> and I just came up with the quuestion
[11:39] <nosebleedkt> Hello Randomskk, nice to hear from you after long timw
[11:39] <nosebleedkt> Well, this is the new payload : http://imagebin.org/210236
[11:39] <nosebleedkt> :)
[11:39] <Randomskk> why two GPSs, out of interest?
[11:39] <nosebleedkt> backup
[11:39] <nosebleedkt> and flight system
[11:39] <Randomskk> fair enough
[11:39] <Randomskk> yea that should be no problem
[11:40] <nosebleedkt> nice
[11:40] <nosebleedkt> Do you have any comments for the payload?
[11:40] <nosebleedkt> what could possibly fail ?
[11:40] <Randomskk> I couldn't really say
[11:40] <Randomskk> you appear to have two unconnected power cables in the top of that photo :P but I imagine that's deliberate
[11:41] <nosebleedkt> the parts cannot move and i will place a top side. Yes those are deliberately
[11:41] <nosebleedkt> :P
[11:41] <nosebleedkt> considering temperature?
[11:41] <nosebleedkt> any comments?
[11:42] <nosebleedkt> After I close the top side I will place many passes of normal duct tape
[11:42] <Randomskk> plenty of insulation. it'l probably be fine
[11:43] <nosebleedkt> this payload is half the side of the previous one. And I want so much to use it
[11:43] <nosebleedkt> Good. Both backup and flight system got GPS locks
[11:43] <nosebleedkt> nice!
[11:44] <nosebleedkt> Now I guess it the insulation time
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[11:50] <number10> Randomskk: - can you put the ANU payload doc back on if you have some time please?
[11:50] <Randomskk> yes
[11:50] <Randomskk> well I can make a new flight document
[11:50] <Randomskk> rather than putting the old one back
[11:51] <Randomskk> one second (hang around)
[11:51] <number10> OK - do you want me to paste another copy?
[11:51] <Randomskk> no, I've got it
[11:51] <Randomskk> I need: the name for the new flight, the launch window start and end, the launch time and location
[11:51] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Fw: [amsat-bb] USNA Party Balloon Success!"
[11:52] <Randomskk> and just to check that the telem is still sentence_id, time, latitude, longitude, alatitude, satellites, temperature_internal, temperature_external, battery
[11:52] <daveake> Randomskk While you're at it, could you do the necessary for BUZZ and CLOUD please? Planning on flying one or both next Saturday, assuming we have a little bit less weather than today
[11:52] <Randomskk> daveake: need the same details as ^ then please
[11:52] <number10> thats correct thanks Randomskk
[11:53] <Randomskk> daveake: (and are both going to be on the same balloon?)
[11:53] <daveake> No changes to the telemetry
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[11:54] <daveake> Current plan is CLOUD will be a separate balloon, BUZZ (if it flies) will be on ANU's balloon
[11:54] <Randomskk> ah ok
[11:54] <Randomskk> so the way flight docs work is that ideally it's one doc per balloon, but the good news is I can easily put buzz on the anu document
[11:54] <Randomskk> either way I still need the details above for both :P
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[11:57] <Randomskk> ...soo
[11:57] <Randomskk> any chance of getting those details while I have these docs open? :P
[11:57] <number10> dod uoi need ANU one Randomskk ?
[11:58] <daveake> CLOUD is sentence_id, time, latitude, longitude, alatitude, speed, direction, temperature_internal, temperature_external, sats, battery
[11:58] <Randomskk> noto the telem, so long as it's the same
[11:58] <Randomskk> 12:51:45 Randomskk> I need: the name for the new flight, the launch window start and end, the launch time and location
[11:58] <daveake> Ah, sorry, didn't scroll back enough :)
[11:59] <Randomskk> daveake: there's currently a BUZZ sandbox document and a CLOUD sandbox document
[11:59] <number10> http://pastebin.com/L6eEv6Nq I just need to understand and edit start end time
[11:59] <Randomskk> just tell me
[11:59] <Randomskk> I'll convert it
[11:59] <Randomskk> as in, tell me a day :P
[12:00] <daveake> Saturday 5th May
[12:00] <Randomskk> if you're planning on launching saturday then I can just say now until sunday or something
[12:00] <Randomskk> great
[12:00] <Randomskk> rough time?
[12:00] <daveake> 10am currently
[12:00] <number10> saturday 5th lanch so maybe now untill sat 12th give time for a few last tests and a second weekend if needed
[12:01] <Randomskk> what do you want to call the flight with anu + maybe buzz?
[12:01] <daveake> number10, Is Steve available the w/c of the 12th? I thought not but I'm not sure
[12:01] <daveake> ANU + BUZZ
[12:02] <daveake> t'other one CLOUD
[12:02] <Randomskk> inventive :P
[12:02] <Randomskk> just "CLOUD"? this is usually where you'd put like, a launch number
[12:02] <daveake> It's a skill
[12:02] <Randomskk> you're welcome to just call it CLOUD if you want though
[12:02] <SpeedEvil> ANU Liason BUZZ
[12:02] <daveake> Just a mo need to remember how many I've done :D
[12:02] <SpeedEvil> Or - ANUlBUZZ
[12:02] <number10> daveake: steves first email said he has a couple of weekends after - but would need to check with his wife nearer time
[12:03] <daveake> CLOUD5
[12:03] <daveake> BUZZ4
[12:03] <daveake> Sorry BUZZ5
[12:03] <Randomskk> is CLOUD still transmitting a flight_mode?
[12:03] <daveake> Might as well remove that please
[12:04] <daveake> I'll remove it as I don't use that now
[12:04] <Randomskk> sorry I meant BUZZ
[12:04] <daveake> Ditto
[12:04] <daveake> Are we confused yet? :)
[12:05] <Randomskk> location is EARS?
[12:05] <number10> yes
[12:05] <number10> too many exams going on for a launch at Churchill
[12:06] <Randomskk> tell me about it
[12:06] Action: Randomskk is doing them
[12:06] <daveake> Steve is planning on launching XABEN then too. Dunno which variant
[12:06] <number10> are both you and john in final year?
[12:06] <Randomskk> wellll
[12:06] <Randomskk> we're both in 3rd year
[12:06] <Randomskk> but both doing a course that has an MEng year at the end
[12:06] <Randomskk> so we'll both be here next year
[12:07] <Randomskk> but these are our final classed exams
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[12:07] <Randomskk> okay, buzz+anu doc done
[12:07] <number10> cheers
[12:07] <daveake> cheers
[12:08] <Randomskk> cloud done too
[12:08] <Randomskk> I'm also disabling the old CLOUD and BUZZ sandbox docs
[12:08] <Randomskk> (so the new flight docs will take precedence)
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[12:09] <Randomskk> okay
[12:09] <Randomskk> all done
[12:09] <Randomskk> should show up on the calendar within a day or two (lol google), testing fldigi right away, release fldigi within five minutes
[12:10] <Randomskk> should parse fine now
[12:10] <Randomskk> give me a shout if telem from any of the three isn't getting through
[12:10] <daveake> Excellent. Though as I haven't made either tracker yet I think Google will win that race :p
[12:10] <Randomskk> :P
[12:11] <daveake> I have plenty of Cloud trackers but all use NTX2s and with the number of flights next Saturday that's not going to woork
[12:11] <daveake> And Ed has borrowed my Buzz tracker to tape to a rocket or something ... :p
[12:12] <jonsowman> that happened to me too
[12:12] <daveake> Woohoo #1 of 25 PCBs I've been soldering up for work seems to be working. No magic smoke yet
[12:12] <jonsowman> i wonder how many trackers Martlet actually has attached to it
[12:12] <jonsowman> 2 per stage perhaps
[12:12] <daveake> I'm sure they're safe ....
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[12:13] <jonsowman> we'll see
[12:13] <daveake> </lie_mode>
[12:13] <jonsowman> :D
[12:14] <number10> UNU decoded and on map - cheers Randomskk
[12:15] <daveake> anu nunu unu
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[12:15] <number10> lol
[12:16] <number10> I cant even type my own payload name - I kept it simple as well
[12:16] <jonsowman> single letter next time
[12:17] <number10> :) I'll still get that wrong and hit adjacent key on k/b
[12:17] <jonsowman> lol
[12:17] <daveake> I think $$SPIDERPIG is long but will be worth it
[12:17] <Randomskk> :P
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[12:17] <jonsowman> could produce some interesting names when on the decodability boundary
[12:17] <fsphil-laptop> SPIDERBIG
[12:18] <daveake> SPIDERBUG
[12:18] <fsphil-laptop> I went up and down a ladder yesterday only to discover afterwards there where about four really big spiders living in it
[12:19] <Randomskk> D:
[12:19] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CJBm-gpDNg&feature=player_embedded - on fairness and cucumber.
[12:21] <fsphil-laptop> yea tease them now, but later it's all running and screaming
[12:26] <staylo> clever girl..
[12:30] <Hiena> http://hup.hu/node/114048#comment-1452922
[12:30] <Hiena> Sry, wron channel.
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[12:36] <daveake> fsphil-laptop http://thumbsnap.com/xD5TPmIV
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[12:47] <fsphil-laptop> yup, there it is
[12:47] <daveake> :)
[12:49] <r2x0t> daveake: http://acidcow.com/video/31415-never_kill_spiders_like_this_one.html
[12:49] <daveake> lol
[12:51] <fsphil-laptop> hmm.. that won't play here. probably a good thing
[12:51] <daveake> This should work for you :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUqQftk1sw4
[12:52] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[12:53] <r2x0t> also the classic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRV4d9LCawU
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[12:55] <daveake> brave
[12:55] <fsphil-laptop> lol, love the kid at the end
[12:55] <fsphil-laptop> I'm just glad they don't have these kinds of animals in australia..........
[13:01] <daveake> Nah, nothing dangerous whatsoever down there.
[13:02] <Darkside> nothing at all
[13:02] <Darkside> come to australia!
[13:07] <NigelMoby> spiders
[13:07] <fsphil-laptop> they don't have a leg to stand on
[13:07] <Darkside> fsphil-laptop: that woudl have worked better with snakes
[13:08] <fsphil-laptop> they're hissstory
[13:08] <Darkside> *headdesk*
[13:08] <Darkside> fsphil-laptop: box jellyfish? blue ringed octopus?
[13:08] <daveake> Snakes down there are on a larger scale altogether
[13:09] <Darkside> stonefish? big shark? poison thing that lives ina shell that spikes you when you pick it up?
[13:09] <NigelMoby> kangaroos are dangerous too.
[13:09] <Darkside> come to australia, you might accidentally get killed
[13:09] Action: fsphil-laptop is from ireland, the only snakes we have here are in government
[13:09] <NigelMoby> lol
[13:10] <fsphil-laptop> When I get my vaccinations I'm gonna ask if they have one against spiders
[13:10] <Darkside> haha
[13:10] <Darkside> NigelMoby: the guy in this video looks like you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9675nvyses
[13:10] <Darkside> kind of
[13:12] <NigelMoby> lol that's freaky!
[13:13] <Darkside> its an awesome video
[13:17] <NigelMoby> it scares me :¦
[13:18] <Darkside> meow meow meow meow
[13:18] <NigelMoby> lol
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[13:28] <SolarNRG> OMG Spacex is flying to the spacestation tomorrow!
[13:28] <SolarNRG> The first non-government space station docking!
[13:29] <SolarNRG> What do u guys think about this?
[13:30] <Darkside> SolarNRG: its a static fire tomorrow
[13:30] <Darkside> the launch to the ISS on on may 7th
[13:32] <SolarNRG> They've delayed it again!?
[13:32] <SolarNRG> They said they were going to do this in November originally
[13:32] <SolarNRG> Then it was meant to be February
[13:32] <SolarNRG> Then Tomorrow
[13:32] <SolarNRG> Now its May 7?
[13:33] <Darkside> yes
[13:33] <Darkside> read the spacex website
[13:33] <SolarNRG> "SpaceX to Webcast Falcon 9 Static Fire on Monday"
[13:37] <SolarNRG> Do you think if this works OK, Elon Musk will ride the next one to have a holiday on the ISS?
[13:40] <NigelMoby> ISS is not a bloody holiday park!
[13:43] <SolarNRG> Oh come on, its got to be the greatest achievement a man could have to have zero g sex in the cupola module
[13:44] <joph> lol
[13:46] <NigelMoby> no, get real, its a national lab that cost billions, with a finite life span, let them use it for its intended purpose and not waste time babysitting some rich muppet who fancies a little holiday.
[13:47] <Hibby> NigelMoby: has it not already been used for space tourism
[13:47] <Hibby> to fund the bloody thing?
[13:47] <SolarNRG> Yep, the Russians are doing space tourism, why shouldn't we?
[13:48] <Hibby> If you said to NASA - I'm rich, rent me docking permission. What's the bill?
[13:48] <SolarNRG> 20 mil a seat, cha ching
[13:48] <Hibby> they would probably respond with a long number, not a "no"
[13:48] <NigelMoby> unfortunately yes, and NASA was not part of it, that was the dopey Russians.
[13:48] <Hibby> and justify it with "something something free market"
[13:48] <SolarNRG> But it isn't a NASA rocket, its a SpaceX rocket
[13:49] <SolarNRG> Owned and run by a private company
[13:49] <NigelMoby> its a NASA lab, near as dam it.
[13:49] <Hibby> NigelMoby: and Euro, and Russian and Japanese...
[13:49] <SolarNRG> Its also got 2 japanese labs and a european lab, and loads of russian modules too
[13:49] <Hibby> it's a pretty international space experiment, the ISS.
[13:49] <SolarNRG> and a canadian robot arm!
[13:49] <Hibby> GNARLY
[13:50] <SolarNRG> And a British experiment rack!
[13:50] <Hibby> what about the rest of the robot? Did they just take the poor bugger's arm up?
[13:50] <Hibby> Lt Com Data would be unimpressed if you did that to him
[13:50] <NigelMoby> oh cmon, we all know the yanks footed most of the bill.
[13:50] <SolarNRG> True
[13:50] <Hibby> Aye, and they probably want some of it back
[13:51] <SolarNRG> I think we should allow China to dock with it
[13:51] <SolarNRG> They can get astronauts up, the docking mechanism is exactly the same as the Russian Soyz
[13:51] <Hibby> $20m is a decent amount for them to get for a few days of people doing nothing to get in the way
[13:51] <Hibby> would help ease the budget issues.
[13:51] <NigelMoby> yeah, by utilising it to develop science technologies not sodding tourists, their a liability
[13:51] <Hibby> It's not like Martha, Jim and the dog are going up... ye
[13:51] <Hibby> *yet
[13:52] <Hibby> damn keys
[13:52] <SolarNRG> The ISS is HUGE, we could even make the tourists PAY to do experiments for us
[13:52] <Hibby> eardless, I've got a meeting about FML to attend.
[13:52] <Hibby> DAMMIT, regardless.
[13:52] <NigelMoby> lol
[13:53] <Hibby> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/559390_10150717192704092_506929091_9432463_262998476_n.jpg if you missed it
[13:53] <zyp> you guys are just jealous because you can't afford a trip
[13:53] <zyp> I know I am
[13:53] <zyp> :p
[13:53] <Hibby> we developed and lauched a new service in my research group.
[13:53] <Hibby> and called it FML.
[13:53] <Hibby> (fault monitoring lab)
[13:53] <Hibby> anyoo
[13:53] <Hibby> byeeeeeee!
[13:54] <Darkside> oh god
[13:54] <Darkside> thats awesome Hibby
[13:54] <SolarNRG> I think the cost of developing and building rockets will fall dramatically as the designs become open source, 3d printing becomes the norm and high temperature metal casting becomes more domestic.
[13:54] <SolarNRG> Also I think we're about to take bio-fuel a lot more seriously so I think the price of fuel will fall too over the next 20 years
[13:54] <Hibby> Darkside: it's ace as the Uni have got all the branding from us, and the academics will likely take it to companies and spinouts without realising the significance of the name :)
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[13:56] <Darkside> haha
[13:57] <Darkside> bets on how long before they realise?
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[14:01] <Morseman> Not really HAB related, but I've received back an image from the pinhole camera I put up from mid January to mid April. Uploaded to Flickr at http://www.flickr.com/photos/62825935@N00/6978396364/in/photostream
[14:05] <fsphil> like that
[14:06] <Morseman> It went better than I thought for a 1st attempt Phil
[14:06] <Morseman> Next time will mount further forward to avoid the corner of the house
[14:07] <Morseman> Sun too high for the simple film canister type now so next will probably be Autumn to winter time
[14:08] <SolarNRG> Morseman, have you considered a digital camera solution?
[14:09] <Darkside> SolarNRG: i don't think thats th epoint
[14:09] <Morseman> Too many issues - weather, exposure time (this is measured in months) and anything with a lens has issues
[14:09] <SolarNRG> Surely its lighter, uses less power, uses less space, more reliable
[14:10] <Darkside> SolarNRG: uhh
[14:10] <Darkside> power?
[14:10] <Morseman> The initial experiment was set out at http://www.solargraphy.com
[14:11] <SolarNRG> I see, so its like a timelapse
[14:11] <Morseman> I did consider making one out of a Pringles can but didn't find any photographic paper in time
[14:11] <SolarNRG> Multiple exposure
[14:11] <Darkside> SolarNRG: the idea is the simplicity of it
[14:11] <Darkside> film + box + piunhole
[14:11] <Darkside> pinhole*
[14:11] <Morseman> It's one long exposure but showing the path of the sun going up, or down, with time
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[14:12] <Morseman> Time to go swimming - be back later
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[14:12] <SolarNRG> That's really cool
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[14:15] <Nickle> Related to that, did anyone see the bit about tracking migrating birds with a light sensor and a clock?
[14:16] <Nickle> See this http://www.daylightmap.com/index.php
[14:16] <Nickle> If you know each day, the time of sunset and sunrise relative to GMT, you can tell where you are.
[14:18] <Nickle> For example, if its sunset now, you are somewhere along the line where it gets dark. Gulf of Oman, up through Afghanistan through to Russia.
[14:19] <fsphil> they did that with some swifts recently
[14:19] <daveake> news
[14:19] <daveake> wrong window, sorry :|
[14:19] <Nickle> However, each of those places on the line has a different sunrise time. The intersection is going to be close to where you are
[14:20] <daveake> Yeah it's a neat idea
[14:20] <Nickle> I thought that was pretty cool thinking, along the same lines as working out when humans started wearing clothes.
[14:22] <Nickle> All down to the mutation rate of head lice and public lice. You don't get pubic lice if you are naked all the time
[14:23] <Nickle> This is a better site for the terminators
[14:23] <Nickle> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/sunearth.html?n=113&day=29&month=4&year=2012&hour=14&min=20&sec=0
[14:24] <Nickle> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/sunearth.html?n=136&day=29&month=4&year=2012&hour=5&min=36&sec=0 is sunrise in london
[14:25] <Nickle> And sunset 20:12 http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/sunearth.html?n=136&day=29&month=4&year=2012&hour=20&min=22&sec=0
[14:25] <Nickle> X marks the spot
[14:29] <nosebleedkt> Randomskk: I just put a top side but Its been a long time that my GPS is not locking :(
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[14:30] <nosebleedkt> Any reasons for that?
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[14:35] <nosebleedkt> Randomskk
[14:35] <nosebleedkt> http://imagebin.org/210256
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[14:36] <Bob_G8NSV> Hi All
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[14:37] <SolarNRG> So say I wanted to put a wireless camera on a rocket and beam the video down to my PC, how would I do it? I understand about VLC streaming, but I know nothing of how to custom make long range antenna
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[14:38] <r2x0t> easiest way would be analogue FM video transmitter for 2.4GHz or 1.2GHz
[14:40] <r2x0t> there are some WIFI wireless cams, but usually bigger. Also not sure about how WIFI will cope with doppler and fading
[14:41] <Bob_G8NSV> I'd stick with analog again not sure wi fi will cope
[14:42] <Randomskk> not sure analogue will cope well on a rocket either to be honest
[14:42] <Randomskk> I'd just record the video, recover the rocket and then play it back
[14:42] <r2x0t> http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/?model=TL-SC3130G this is small and nice tho
[14:43] <Bob_G8NSV> agree with randomskk
[14:43] <r2x0t> yes, recording it is always better idea
[14:43] <Bob_G8NSV> higher bandwidth better definition
[14:44] <r2x0t> unless you expect rocket to be smashed to million pieces or really need live video for some reason
[14:44] <Bob_G8NSV> video links are restrictive, you can get little HD recorders nowadays
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[14:52] <griffonbot> Received email: steamfire@gmail.com "Re: [UKHAS] Fw: [amsat-bb] USNA Party Balloon Success!"
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[14:59] <SolarNRG> What if you want to control a robot arm once it reaches orbit, assuming of course you CAN build a rocket that can achieve LEO
[14:59] <Randomskk> then live video links will not be the hardest challenge you undertake
[15:00] <SolarNRG> Regen cooling engines, turbopumps, non-leaky fuel tanks and oxidizer tanks are not easy things to engineer I know and they MUST ALL WORK FLAWLESSLY
[15:00] <griffonbot> Received email: steamfire@gmail.com "Re: [UKHAS] Fw: [amsat-bb] USNA Party Balloon Success!"
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[17:50] <tstowe> hi all
[17:57] <nosebleedkt> hi
[18:00] Action: SpeedEvil sees solar crashing through the 1/watt barrier on ebay
[18:02] <tstowe> I've got a question about flight payload setup
[18:03] <SpeedEvil> tstowe: Generally, avoid car batteries as a power source.
[18:03] <tstowe> that was someone else
[18:03] <tstowe> I use 9v lithium
[18:03] <fsphil-laptop> don't use petrol driven payloads
[18:03] <tstowe> ha ha
[18:04] <Laurenceb_> or an RTG
[18:04] <fsphil-laptop> those would be sweet
[18:04] <tstowe> dont have one
[18:04] Action: SpeedEvil advocates small turbocharged V8s.
[18:04] <tstowe> ive got a MT-300
[18:04] <tstowe> Ok...my question
[18:04] <tstowe> I've been looking at how different groups rig their flights. Some have the parachute right under the parachute.
[18:05] <tstowe> Others, myself included, run a length of cord between the two.
[18:05] <tstowe> I normally put enough cord so that after it bursts, the balloon will hang below the payload. A short cord would keep it up above the parachute.
[18:05] <tstowe> Anyone have an opinion as to which is better?
[18:05] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Picture-3.png <- this
[18:05] <Upu> but 4m=10m and 8m=20m
[18:06] <jonsowman> more = better
[18:06] <Upu> always
[18:06] <jonsowman> with certain obvious limits
[18:06] <tstowe> Upu, that's basically what I do
[18:06] <tstowe> but what about putting it right under the parachute?
[18:09] <tstowe> I've always used enough so it would hang below the payload but I know others don't
[18:09] <Upu> ok
[18:10] <Upu> the balloon can be ~5 meters of latex
[18:10] <Upu> sometimes if it doesn't burst cleanly
[18:10] <Upu> it can stay attached so you won't want this wrapping round the payload
[18:10] <Upu> so you make the payload to parachute say 20 meters
[18:10] <cuddykid> 4m = 4km and 8m = 20km (that's how I rigged my last flight)
[18:11] <cuddykid> maintained a visual throughout flight
[18:11] <Upu> then if the balloon bursts it swings down half way between the parachute and the payload
[18:11] <tstowe> VERY cool cuddy
[18:11] <cuddykid> it was
[18:12] <cuddykid> quite a bit of tension on the line as I was letting it go up
[18:12] <tstowe> I know it's hard to see, but something like this then? http://thetalon.smugmug.com/Misc/Space/Test-Flight/12648139_nFqNgp#!i=916196249&k=wyWH4
[18:13] <Upu> they may have had a cut away
[18:13] <tstowe> That's me, we didnt
[18:13] <Upu> ah ok
[18:13] <Upu> your risking a few meters of latex wrapping round the payload container
[18:13] <Upu> possibly damaging the antenna
[18:14] <tstowe> Upu....With the long cord or without?
[18:14] <Upu> short cord
[18:14] <daveake> <cuddykid> 4m = 4km and 8m = 20km (that's how I rigged my last flight)
[18:14] <daveake> No need to track - just keep hold of the line :)
[18:14] <Upu> tstowe : https://picasaweb.google.com/118244444241111963790/201203AvaLaunch2GroundPhotosGregTomlin#5728380277633380242
[18:14] <cuddykid> with thick gloves :P yes daveake
[18:15] <jonsowman> shorts? must be ed.
[18:15] <daveake> yep
[18:15] <Upu> thats the third person who said that
[18:15] <jonsowman> that so doesn't look like shorts weather
[18:15] <tstowe> Upu: so put a long cord on it then?
[18:15] <Upu> its not just a long cord
[18:15] <jonsowman> M&S long cord?
[18:15] <Upu> payload to parachute 10 meters
[18:15] <daveake> Trees are long
[18:16] <Upu> sorry
[18:16] <tstowe> how far between balloon and parachute?
[18:16] <Upu> payload to parachute 20 meters
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[18:16] <Upu> parachute to balloon 10 meters
[18:16] <tstowe> got it
[18:16] <Upu> so when the balloon pops
[18:16] <Upu> the remaining latex ends up half way between the parachute and the payload
[18:17] <Upu> I ignored this advice on my first launch and I have video of the lump of latex whacking the payload container
[18:17] <Upu> fortunatley it didn't do any damage
[18:18] <chris_99> could you trigger the parachute after X ammount of free fall or is that not really allowed
[18:18] <jonsowman> why bother?
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[18:18] <tstowe> Got it, thanks for the advice....That's more less what I've done in the past but like I said, I've seen others do it differently
[18:18] <chris_99> so that it doesn't drift
[18:18] <chris_99> as much
[18:18] <cuddykid> daveake: https://picasaweb.google.com/118244444241111963790/201203AvaLaunch2GroundPhotosGregTomlin#5728380284266944706 must have been a fair amount of tension
[18:19] <jonsowman> at the beginning of descent it pulls 50+m/s anyway due to lack of atmosphere
[18:19] <Upu> When we were talking about launching an EOS-5D with a £1500 lens on it we did plan a reserve chute
[18:19] <tstowe> Ok, another topic.....
[18:19] <jonsowman> you might gain a little (in terms of decreasing descent time)
[18:19] <tstowe> a HAB forum
[18:19] <jonsowman> but personally i don't think it's worth it for the hugely increased risk
[18:19] <chris_99> yeah admitedly it is risky
[18:19] <Upu> cuddykid most tension I've seen was on the James May launch, they had so much gas in the cord was making this wierd twanging noise in the breeze
[18:19] <tstowe> Go to http://hab-ham.org/forum/index.php. There aren't very many members
[18:19] <daveake> cuddykid Not really
[18:19] <tstowe> we need more
[18:20] <Upu> interesting forum
[18:20] <Upu> sponsored by Kaymont
[18:20] <cuddykid> nice Upu!
[18:20] <tstowe> It's new and not a lot of members
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[18:20] <Lunar_Lander_> hello
[18:20] <tstowe> please join
[18:21] <tstowe> Upu, yes...because I was a member Kaymont gave me a 500g balloon with my last order
[18:21] <tstowe> hi Lunar
[18:21] <Upu> interesting, wonder if they have noticed something about the current altitude records
[18:21] <tstowe> there have been a few posts about it
[18:22] <Lunar_Lander_> hi tstowe
[18:22] <tstowe> there were some about the one that went across the US, the Atlantic and came down in the Med
[18:27] <tstowe> We'll be sending a balloon up on Friday
[18:30] <tstowe> the callsign on aprs.fi will be KJ4RSG-11
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[18:30] <tstowe> We will also be using a SPOT. It can be tracked at http://hab-ham.org/forum/index.php
[18:30] <daveake> ]
[18:30] <tstowe> sorry, make that http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0cOWDl8uaZJOsXhkT8d291PzyCpag78kG
[18:31] <fsphil-laptop> you're quite near the ocean there :)
[18:31] <tstowe> Oh yeah but we won't be launching from here
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander_> oh hi daveake
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander_> and fsphil-laptop
[18:32] <tstowe> we will be launching from 33.013038 -81.298833
[18:32] <tstowe> that's Allendale, SC
[18:33] <tstowe> we are going to try to be in the air by 10:00 AM, EST
[18:43] <tstowe> I've got a 9 year old daughter....I hate iCarley
[18:51] <fsphil-laptop> yoyo Lunar_Lander_
[18:52] <Lunar_Lander_> how are you?
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[19:14] Action: fsphil is playing worms
[19:14] <jonsowman> world party?
[19:14] <jonsowman> armageddon?
[19:14] <fsphil> the original amiga version
[19:14] <jonsowman> :o
[19:14] <fsphil> me vs. 11 year old :)
[19:14] <jonsowman> lol
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander_> XD
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[19:29] <fsphil> great game that. but an 11yr old is too easy :)
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander_> I wonder about something when we are offtopic already xD
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander_> I got that OUTATIME license plate
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander_> can I put it on my bicycle?
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[19:57] <Lunar_Lander_> welcome back Upu
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[20:07] <Lunar_Lander_> fsphil, are you working on a new flight?
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[20:12] <griffonbot> Received email: Peter "=?windows-1252?Q?=5BUKHAS=5D_Re=3A_Howest_and_Falcon_launch_=96_Saturday_5_?=
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander_> ?!
[20:18] <Martin100> Do I need to specify more than one launch on a NOTAM or can it be taken as blanket coverage to near simultaneously launch say 2 or 3 balloons?
[20:18] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander_, seem to be working on a bit of everything atm.
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
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[20:24] <jcoxon> Martin100, the permission will say how many balloons
[20:26] <Martin100> So if i just need to request it on the NOTAM ?
[20:26] <daveake> Martin100 Yes
[20:27] <daveake> Usually I just ask for one, and the permission explicitly says "one only"
[20:27] <daveake> Last time I asked for 2 to be launched an hour apart, and it basically said "2 on the same day"
[20:29] <Martin100> Has anyone done a night launch to catch a sunrise?
[20:29] <jonsowman> yes
[20:29] <jonsowman> most stressful 24 hours of my life
[20:30] <jonsowman> has probably reduced my lifespan by a couple of years
[20:30] <Martin100> lol, so no special need for lights etc?
[20:30] <jonsowman> small generator and a floodlight
[20:30] <jonsowman> plus a couple of cars with headlights
[20:30] <jonsowman> the sports field up like a christmas tree
[20:31] <jcoxon> Martin100, quite often the notams are daylight hours
[20:31] <jcoxon> just to make you aware
[20:31] <jonsowman> *lit
[20:33] <Martin100> For my first launch I'd go for a daylight one but wondered if they'd throw teir hands up in horror at a night launch
[20:33] <Martin100> their
[20:33] <jonsowman> no probably not, just make sure you apply for a night notam
[20:33] <Martin100> Especially on the edge of controlled airspace :)
[20:33] <jonsowman> local ATC just said "we'll all be in bed, we don't care. please, please, do not phone us"
[20:34] <fsphil-laptop> my notam requires I phone 12 hours before launch, which usually means phoning at 11pm :)
[20:34] <fsphil-laptop> they don't seem to mind
[20:35] <Martin100> My local ones in Leeds work all night
[20:35] <jonsowman> cambridge airport is apparently not as busy
[20:35] <jonsowman> our notam is explicitly 24/7 though
[20:37] <fsphil-laptop> yea, I think it's the main ATC for the north I phone
[20:37] <daveake> I don't have to call ATC on mine
[20:37] <Martin100> Could do with a tall portable building with a smooth interior for inflation, open hatch on roof and let go
[20:37] <fsphil-laptop> I think the only reason I have to is that there's a lot of transatlantic traffic above here
[20:37] <daveake> Good job as Heathrow isn't that far away
[20:39] <jonsowman> cambridge is relatively quiet i think
[20:39] <jonsowman> private pilots and the occasional military aircraft
[20:39] <Martin100> I have airways around too, some transatlantic traffic mainly to Europe
[20:41] <Martin100> Not sure about the one immediately above the proposed launch site as that is 12500-19500ft
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[20:54] <Upu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4rzAL5YwFow
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander_> wb Upu
[20:55] <Upu> hi
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[21:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> looks like a fun saturday 5th
[21:07] <daveake> could be busy
[21:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yeah looks like it. Hope to hear something up here
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[21:15] <daveake> Possibly all the Cambs ones will get fairly high, so you may well do
[21:16] <Morseman> Do I turn the 70cm beam vertical during the week, or not, that is the question...
[21:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> only if they go northeast/east, camb is on the edge here, even for a +30km flight
[21:17] <daveake> These should be 35-39km, depending
[21:18] <daveake> Last prediction I saw was for them to head NE into Norfolk
[21:18] <Elmar_PD3EM> maybe the Belgium one OZ1SKY_Brian.. that shuold be closer to you
[21:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> still, cambridge is 800km away
[21:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok north east sounds perfect
[21:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> elmar yes there should be a good chance there
[21:19] <Elmar_PD3EM> Or maybe I'll sent one over to you later this year OZ1SKY_Brian ;-)
[21:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> daveake 800km is possible, but starting at around 39km ballon altitude :-)
[21:21] <Elmar_PD3EM> still working on the code for my flight comp
[21:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> elmar my garden is open 24/7 :)
[21:21] <Elmar_PD3EM> LOL
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander_> XD
[21:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> daveake this is my 800km los http://www.freemaptools.com/radius-around-point.htm?clat=56.26714146549891&clng=10.308566093444824&r=799.2181518171085&lc=FFFFFF&lw=1&fc=00FF00
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[21:28] <Elmar_PD3EM> OZ1SKY_Brian: I need a very high tower to work you on VHF for that LOS. Better use HF ;-)
[21:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ELmar ive worked PA lots and lots of times on 2m and 70cm
[21:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> whats your grid?
[21:29] <Elmar_PD3EM> JO21jv
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[21:29] <Lunar_Lander_> hello dr coxon
[21:30] <Elmar_PD3EM> it sure is possible Brian! But I need a better antenna for that
[21:30] <mclane> need some advice for an ublox 6 arduino driver (airbornr mode!) with small RAM footprint
[21:31] <jcoxon> hi Elmar_PD3EM, i'll reply soon to your email
[21:31] <Morseman> Try http://www.heywhatsthat.com/ and enter your co-ordinates to see what is in the way between you and the outside world as well
[21:32] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yeah worked jo21 alot of times
[21:32] <Upu> hi mclane
[21:32] <Upu> check this out , not quite finished but may do what you want
[21:32] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/wiki/doku.php?id=levelconvertor
[21:32] <Elmar_PD3EM> hi jcoxon ! o.k. great.
[21:32] <Morseman> Obviously balloons get over the hills, but they have to get to height to clear your local obstructions as well...
[21:32] <Upu> Also http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:falcom_fsa03
[21:33] <Morseman> I can work DL on 23cm if the other guys have a dish and 100W :-)
[21:37] <Morseman> Here's my square count with just 10W http://www.flickr.com/photos/62825935@N00/5653033404/in/photostream
[21:37] <Elmar_PD3EM> when UHF condx are good I work DL stations on our local somplex QRG (is also input on DL repater ;-) )
[21:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Morseman why havent you worked me <23cm :-)
[21:39] <mclane> Hi upu, thanks for the hint. that's the way I used so far
[21:39] <Morseman> On 70cm we get problems because some repeaters in other countries have opposite input/output frequencies and one of the simplex channels is on the input of one of the UK repeater channels...
[21:40] <Morseman> Don't know OZ1SKY_Brian not been on 23cm much lately but conditions on receive not been very good for over a year now
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[21:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Morseman not on 23 here, 70 and lower
[21:41] <Elmar_PD3EM> That's the funny thing when I'm mobile working DL stations on my simplex QRG.. they didn't believe I was only simplex on the input QRG and not listening to their repaeter output ;-)
[21:41] <Morseman> I also tend to only use Morse (hence the nickname...)
[21:41] <Morseman> I am on 70cm as well
[21:42] <Morseman> But not 2M
[21:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Morseman sometime in the future then
[21:43] <Morseman> My 70cm CW plot (up to 50W for this one) at http://www.flickr.com/photos/62825935@N00/5653033222/in/photostream
[21:43] <Morseman> It's not up to date though
[21:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> vqlog, cheers :-)
[21:46] <Morseman> If/When I turn the 14ele vertical (70cm) I have a Wimo that I'm intending to put up for horizontal as well - Need a decent feeder 1st though of course
[21:49] <Elmar_PD3EM> I still need to borrow that 20+ elem 70cm beam from our club station ;-)
[21:50] <Elmar_PD3EM> or all 4 of them....
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[21:52] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Morseman got my map here http://oz1sky.smart-tech.dk/432mhz/70CMEU.bmp
[21:53] <Laurenceb_> Morseman: thats with ionospheric bounce?
[21:54] <Morseman> Laurenceb_ I'm no way equiped for EME here...
[21:54] <Morseman> So all that is Ionospheric in one way or another
[21:54] <Laurenceb_> ok
[21:54] <Laurenceb_> <-not a ham
[21:55] <Morseman> No probs - but you are right, not all really good dx is terrestrial only...
[21:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Morseman yes teristial
[21:56] <Morseman> OZ1SKY_Brian Nice selection of squares!
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[21:59] <Morseman> Need to rebuild my DC connectors for the 23cm 100W PA as it's now on the 'wrong' side of the desk since my tidy up...
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[22:00] <Morseman> Needs 28V for the PA and 12V for the relays
[22:01] <Morseman> and put up the new mast head preamp as well - this rain has not helped at all...
[22:02] <Morseman> Laurenceb_ I have been playing with Meteor Scatter on 23cm with a station in Italy, but there's not many MS showers at this time of year
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[22:05] <Morseman> oz1sky_Brian doesn't look like you need IO93 anyway :-)
[22:05] <fsphil> whoa, a .bmp file on the internet
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[22:06] <Elmar_PD3EM> time to put the bed on my back... CUL
[22:06] <fsphil> I doubt very much you'd get to me, but might be fun trying some time
[22:07] <fsphil> night Elmar_PD3EM!
[22:07] <Elmar_PD3EM> good night all!
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[22:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Morseman well no, but the other way around
[22:08] <Morseman> True
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[22:12] <Morseman> I've given up on QSL cards and who worked what squares. Most of the time it is nice to hear some signals on 70cm or 23cm CW, no matter where they come from...
[22:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> your right about that
[22:14] <Morseman> So, I've gone back to photography and my 'latest' picture was this one http://www.flickr.com/photos/62825935@N00/6978396364/in/photostream
[22:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> reflection on a window?
[22:17] <G0DJA> That was a *long* exposure 17th Jan to 16th April
[22:17] <G0DJA> So the reflections are the top of the conservatory
[22:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yeah thats very very long exposure
[22:17] <G0DJA> Pinhole camera
[22:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> the white lines are aircrafts?
[22:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> or sun?
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[22:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok gotta get some sleep, long day. gn all
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[22:21] <G0DJA> The white lines are the Sun
[22:22] <G0DJA> Ah, he left...
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[22:26] <Dan-K2VOL> hello
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[22:29] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: N Steps forward... N-N+1 Steps back. Have to burn optiboot onto Arduino fio to use watchdog. More ISP fun! #UKHAS #Arduino [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/196727825968009216]
[22:29] <Dan-K2VOL> ugh
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[22:39] <fsphil> could you write to the watchdog directly rather than using an adruino api?
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[22:54] <Lunar_Lander_> good night
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