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[00:23] <tstowe> howdy all
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[02:46] <choppyhorse> hey people. I have heard of people filling their balloons without a regulator... this would be nice, save $100.
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[02:47] <choppyhorse> Is it really possible? Tank pressure is ~2000 psi and the highest pressure tubing I found for cheap is 350 psi rated.
[02:47] <choppyhorse> Problem or no?
[02:48] <choppyhorse> I guess it is a bit late in the UK.
[02:48] <markdownunder> i bought a regulator
[02:48] <markdownunder> the cylinder has a valve but it could blow your hose quite easily
[02:50] <stilldavid> I've heard of people doing it without a regulator and it works for them, but I bit the bullet and bought one
[02:50] <x-f> there is no pressure in the hose, it's open on the other end that's attatched to the balloon (usually)
[02:52] <Darkside> use a regulator...
[02:52] <Darkside> far safer
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[02:53] <x-f> true.
[02:54] <choppyhorse> yeah, I feel like I should use a regulator, but I was hoping someone would support me on my trying to save money
[02:54] <choppyhorse> I might be able to borrow one, actually.
[03:02] <choppyhorse> Second question! A lot of people use some nylon or other plastic rope to attach their balloon to the payload. I was thinking of using some 40lb test cotton string. It would hold knots better and have no UV problems, etc. Any comments on this?
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[03:03] <choppyhorse> This NearSpace e-book talks about using natural rope to tie off the balloon, but I was worried about the risk of using such an abrasive rope on the thin latex. Cotton again?
[03:04] <Darkside> the neck will be thicker
[03:10] <markdownunder> doesn't seem to matter too much : http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sealing_the_balloon#step_by_step_example_by_rocketboy
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[03:18] <choppyhorse> ok
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[05:49] <Upu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Qxay-rsvE&
[05:49] <Upu> morning
[05:50] <Darkside> hey Upu
[05:50] <Darkside> did you send the invoice to danny?
[05:50] <Upu> I did yeah
[05:50] <Darkside> hrm
[05:50] <Upu> via e-mail
[05:50] <Upu> paypal one
[05:50] <Darkside> he must have missed it
[05:50] <Darkside> i'll check with him - i need to get those timing modules ordered ASAP
[05:51] <Upu> Let me know I'll see if I can resend
[05:51] <Upu> yeah remember 14 day lead and then the trip to Oz
[05:51] <Darkside> yep
[05:51] <Darkside> which is why i want to get them ordered ASAP :P
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[09:13] <schofieldau> Elmar_PD3EM: hey just briefly read what you said before
[09:13] <schofieldau> somewhere in that RTTY code interrupts are disabled
[09:14] <schofieldau> so if the SD card uses them then that will cause issues
[09:14] <fsphil> interrupts will mess up any timing that relies on _delay_ms()
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[09:26] <kokey> ok got my rtl dongles working so I should really start thinking of txing something
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[10:05] <kokey> apart from getting better antennas
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[11:13] <nicola1969> !list
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[11:23] <Laurenceb> !list
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[11:23] <Laurenceb> !pointless_command
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[11:33] <kokey> !ops
[11:33] <kokey> heh
[11:33] <jonsowman> silly zeusbot
[11:34] <kokey> !dcc me warez
[11:34] <kokey> that send
[11:34] <jonsowman> "!help" will make it list its commands, but it's quite spammy
[11:34] <kokey> I used to enjoy making a symlink to /dev/zero and sending that to people over DCC
[11:35] <mfa298_> should use /dev/random. it's less compressible (assuming you have a decent link)
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[11:38] <kokey> or just zip a very large copy of /dev/zero
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[11:52] <Morseman> Afternoon everyone
[12:08] <Morseman> Seems quiet on here today
[12:11] <Laurenceb> people have lives
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[12:11] <Morseman> Just having lunch here
[12:12] <Morseman> My Arduino and FTDI boards arrived today
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[12:21] <schofieldau> Morseman: cool - have you ordered a radio module?
[12:39] <Morseman> Already got that from Upu
[12:39] <Morseman> Just making sure I know which way round to install the FTDI unit...
[12:40] <Morseman> Intially will be 434.075MHz for testing
[12:47] <Darkside> hmm
[12:47] <Darkside> no 3d models around for the ublox modules..
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[12:51] <Upu> if you find one Darkside
[12:51] <Upu> let me know :)
[12:52] <Darkside> heh
[12:53] <Darkside> same with the RFM22B :P
[12:53] <Darkside> oh well
[12:53] <Darkside> i've got basically everything else on my pcb as a 3d model
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[12:56] <Upu> well have fun making a RFM22B model
[12:56] <Upu> given its technically a breakout board anyway
[12:58] <Darkside> yeah
[12:58] <Darkside> it'd be a pain
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[13:02] <fsphil> how difficult would it be to build it right on the board?
[13:02] <Darkside> what, you mean place the components yourself?
[13:02] <fsphil> it seems quite a complex bit of circuitry
[13:02] <fsphil> yea
[13:03] <Darkside> yeah, i think thats a 4 layer pcb
[13:03] <fsphil> aah
[13:03] <Darkside> and it uses all 0402
[13:03] <jonsowman> probably doable on 2 layer
[13:03] <Darkside> you could do it with 0603, it'd just be bigger
[13:03] <jonsowman> whether it's worth it is another matter
[13:03] <Darkside> yeah
[13:03] <Darkside> for $8 the RFM22B is pretty damn good value
[13:03] <Darkside> or whatever it costs
[13:03] <Darkside> still need to find a decent source for them
[13:04] <Upu> <-
[13:04] <Upu> :)
[13:04] <jonsowman> hehe
[13:04] <Upu> but for you just buy them in 50's from China
[13:04] <Darkside> Upu: how much
[13:04] <Darkside> ugh i don't need THAT many
[13:05] <Upu> £6.43 less delivery
[13:05] <Darkside> cheaper to get them here
[13:05] <Upu> if you want some I can pop some in that NEO6T order with no postage
[13:05] <Upu> yup
[13:06] <Darkside> well actually
[13:06] <Darkside> they're $11.95 or something
[13:06] <Darkside> i might take you up on that offer :P
[13:06] <Upu> its the customs charges that screw me
[13:06] <Darkside> you mean importing them?
[13:06] <Upu> yep
[13:07] <Upu> I bought 25
[13:07] <Upu> and it cost me £35 is customs charges
[13:07] <Darkside> ouch
[13:07] <Upu> so adding over a £1 module on
[13:08] <Darkside> i think i'll get 5 of em
[13:08] <Upu> ok
[13:08] <Darkside> i'm gonna need a few for the new telemetry boards
[13:09] <Darkside> if i need more i can get them locally quickly
[13:09] <Darkside> but i may as well get a few over with the timing modules
[13:09] <Darkside> my supervisor said we'll probably end up getting more hwen we're over in the UK
[13:09] <gonzo_> if they are for amateur radio, you should be able to find a duty free import code
[13:09] <gonzo_> still get stung for vat though
[13:09] <Darkside> your VAT system is screwey
[13:10] <gonzo_> (educational also has zero duty)
[13:10] <gonzo_> there is duty and vat
[13:10] <Upu> its not that gonzo_ its the declaring it all
[13:10] <gonzo_> and they charge vat on the price after import duty
[13:10] <gonzo_> so a tax on a tex
[13:11] <Upu> would just make the whole excerise pointless as it would take a few hours each month to fillout documentation
[13:11] <Upu> and then I'd have to pay the accountant more to sort it all out
[13:11] <gonzo_> yep, the system is there to create jobs for the boys
[13:12] <Upu> even with the VAT most stuff is cheaper than you can get it elsewhere anyway
[13:12] <gonzo_> if you have the import commodity code and the shipper will use it, then it shoudl be easy
[13:12] <gonzo_> though I'v only found a few shippers who are willing to do that
[13:12] <Upu> its not trust me
[13:12] <gonzo_> that includes actual amateur radion supplier!
[13:12] <gonzo_> s
[13:13] <kokey> Darkside: I know also got a Compro Videomate U650F along with my Lifeview
[13:13] <kokey> know=now
[13:13] <kokey> importing stuff into most countries is a big PITA
[13:13] <kokey> that said, I've found using the right shipping agent has saved me a massive headache
[13:16] <cuddykid> http://www.virgin.com/richard-branson/blog/challenge-for-a-young-entrepreneur
[13:19] <devonian> Hello - sorry for butting in but interested in the RFM22B discussion
[13:20] <Darkside> devonian: yup
[13:20] <devonian> I get min here @ 5 euro + 4 euro postage http://rf-store.com/index.php?pv=store&cat=433MHz FSK
[13:21] <devonian> linky is crap add the FSK to url
[13:22] <kokey> and use + instead of a space
[13:22] <cuddykid> http://rf-store.com/index.php?view=2&pv=showart&prod_id=RFM22B-433S2
[13:23] <cuddykid> that's not bad at all
[13:23] <cuddykid> and there won't be any tax as it's within EU
[13:24] <cuddykid> £4.85 incl tax
[13:26] <devonian> I use them for R/C control on 459MHz - little project...http://flytron.com/16-openlrs
[13:26] <Laurenceb> http://rf-store.com/index.php?view=2&pv=showart&prod_id=RFM12BP-433
[13:26] <Laurenceb> lol that looks very legit
[13:31] <devonian> opensource forum discussion arounf RFM22B http://forum.flytron.com/viewforum.php?f=7&sid=7e231292731ae09b66873fc75d95e5f6
[13:31] <devonian> *around* typing is useless!
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[13:54] <cuddykid> which nick is Josh Taylor here - holla out whoever you are :P
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[14:24] <Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/23/lohan_rod/
[14:24] <Laurenceb> lulwut
[14:24] <Laurenceb> wtf does the truss achieve
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[14:28] <cuddykid> Laurenceb: do you know where they're planning to launch that from?
[14:28] <cuddykid> I'm guessing not in the UK
[14:28] <Laurenceb> spain
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[14:33] <kokey> from a Costa cruise ship
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[14:34] <kokey> is the Planetary Resources announcement tomorrow?
[14:34] <russss> yes
[14:35] <kokey> I don't get these eco-anarchists
[14:36] <kokey> their malthusian vision doesn't really seem to cater for my future of mega cities and space ports
[14:36] <kokey> and asteroid mining
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[14:38] Action: SpeedEvil is an environmentalist.
[14:38] <kokey> msp430 or atmega, rfm22 or ntx2, those are the questions
[14:39] <SpeedEvil> I however sould not discount the use of ground-launched orion.
[14:39] <SpeedEvil> would
[14:40] <kokey> I think LOX and H2 should be fine too
[14:41] <SpeedEvil> Launching the QE2 using conventional rocketry is hard though.
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[15:25] <Randomskk> eroomde: did you know I have a standing desk now? painfully hip
[15:25] <Randomskk> fcvo standing desk -- my table is on my table...
[15:25] <cuddykid> regarding the UKHAS conf - are the plans for oct time again? Personally I'd love to see it during summer - perhaps do a big launch at the conf?
[15:25] <Randomskk> not very many concrete plans yet
[15:26] <Randomskk> there are some thoughts to hosting it in cambridge, in which case we could possibly do a launch, but I'm not sure it's a great idea
[15:26] <Randomskk> too many chefs etc. and we couldn't exactly all go chasing
[15:26] <cuddykid> yeah
[15:26] <cuddykid> cam is quite out the way for me too
[15:26] <fsphil> I hear nobody is doing anything between the 27 July to 12 August, we should do it then
[15:27] <Randomskk> it's a short ish train ride from king's cross which is the previous one
[15:27] <Randomskk> meh
[15:27] <Randomskk> we'll see :P
[15:27] <cuddykid> depends whether I'm in worcs or notts - would be easier to get to from notts I guess
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[15:29] <Laurenceb> never try taking the train from Leicester to cam via Peterborough
[15:30] <Laurenceb> i dont they have upgraded that line since the 1800s
[15:30] <NigelMoby> somewhere with less stairs pls! lol
[15:31] <fsphil> +1
[15:31] <SpeedEvil> ?
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> Oh
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> I was thinking of PeterHead
[15:32] <cuddykid> lol Laurenceb
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> Which would be an odd journey
[15:32] <daveake> Randomskk Painfully hip, or just a pain in the hip?
[15:32] <fsphil> although I loved the look of that place. had a nice Dragons Den theme going on
[15:32] <Laurenceb> it has old level operated signals
[15:32] <Laurenceb> all the points are manual too
[15:32] <Randomskk> daveake: my hip has never felt better ;D
[15:32] <Laurenceb> max speed seems to be 30mph
[15:33] <NigelMoby> was vert rustik looking Phil
[15:33] <Randomskk> fsphil: haha yea that place had fantastic decor
[15:33] <NigelMoby> very*
[15:37] <daveake> O/T: One for the spelling police - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1981-FORD-MUSTANG-TURBO-PROJECT-SPARES-REPAIRS-MK3-2-/280865280855#ht_500wt_1413
[15:39] <nigelvh> That is really terrible spelling
[15:39] <nigelvh> I mean, tht iv rery bd spllng
[15:39] <daveake> I'd struggle to deliberately do worse
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[15:48] <cuddykid> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GLrr_Xp0qc&feature=related
[15:49] <daveake> A re-run of "Lawn Chair Larry"
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[15:50] <cuddykid> create a big platform.. next UKHAS conf at 10k feet :P
[15:52] <daveake> We'll need someone lightweight to be the dummy, er, pilot ....
[15:53] <daveake> Counts me out :)
[15:53] <Laurenceb> if we had uplink we could have an irc relay going out via balloon
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[16:40] <eroomde> Randomskk: no
[16:40] <eroomde> awesome
[16:40] <eroomde> pics
[16:40] <eroomde> or it didnt happen
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[16:47] <Randomskk> eroomde: it is literally my table on my table
[16:47] <Randomskk> http://www.flickr.com/photos/randomskk/6960330790/
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[16:58] <Randomskk> eroomde: what are your thoughts on overly ambitious IIB projects?
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[17:07] <Upu> http://www.virgin.com/richard-branson/blog/challenge-for-a-young-entrepreneur
[17:07] <Upu> *cough* my pictures *cough*
[17:08] <Randomskk> yea well surprise surprise
[17:09] <Randomskk> have you seen the guide he's selling? :|
[17:10] <Upu> Ah yes that
[17:10] <Upu> which basically says come here
[17:10] <Upu> :)
[17:10] <Upu> He sent me a copy free which was nice of him
[17:10] <Randomskk> learn much?
[17:10] <Upu> err no
[17:10] <Upu> :)
[17:11] <Upu> given how long it is its surprisingly short on actual information
[17:11] <jonsowman> hahah
[17:12] <Morseman> When soldering headers onto an Arduino should I put the board on a tinfoil base and clip an earth lead to it?
[17:12] <Randomskk> if you like
[17:12] <Randomskk> really no need though
[17:12] <Upu> take the tin foil , make a nice hat and place on head
[17:13] <Randomskk> if you're feeling particularly safe you could just wear an ESD grounding strap on your wrist or such
[17:13] <jonsowman> Upu is very sarcastic this evening
[17:13] <jonsowman> :D
[17:13] <Upu> sorry long day
[17:13] <jonsowman> no carry on, i'm enjoying it
[17:13] <Morseman> I always have my tin foil hat at the ready
[17:13] <Morseman> You never know when the black helicopters might be coming
[17:14] <Morseman> Dont have an earthing strap braclett
[17:14] <Morseman> I could bare some earthwires and wrap it round my wrist I guess
[17:15] <Upu> you should be fine
[17:15] <Upu> they are quite hardy
[17:15] <Morseman> OK Upu
[17:15] <Randomskk> yea I wouldn't bother
[17:15] <Upu> the heat is more likely to break it than the static
[17:15] <Randomskk> you shouldn't connect yourself directly to ground like that
[17:15] <Morseman> OK got to get Taccos for tea so will be a job for later on
[17:15] <Randomskk> ESD straps are like 1 to 3M ohms
[17:15] <eroomde> lets tie a lump of lead to josh taylor's foot
[17:15] <Randomskk> else it's really easy to electrocute yourself
[17:15] <eroomde> taylor made deep sea dive
[17:15] <Randomskk> eroomde: yes that should help him explore the ocean deapths
[17:15] <Upu> lol
[17:16] <Morseman> That'll help him get below the waves...
[17:16] <jonsowman> haha
[17:16] <eroomde> i havent signed up to his newsletter actually
[17:16] <eroomde> i really should
[17:16] <Upu> I distanced myself after he asked me to help with his "space art" project
[17:16] <Upu> which was basically exploding paint at 32km
[17:16] <eroomde> :)
[17:16] <Randomskk> so arty
[17:16] <Morseman> I should know which connection is earth Randomskk ;-)
[17:16] <Upu> I f?cking hate media students :/
[17:17] <Upu> sorry if you are one :)
[17:17] <Morseman> I'm a consultant Upu - people usually hate them as well...
[17:17] <Upu> hes alright really just trying carve a name for himself
[17:17] <Randomskk> Morseman: no, I mean, you don't want to be directly earthed
[17:17] <Randomskk> you want several Ms of resistance in between
[17:17] <Upu> even if his projects are alittle scatty and lacking any real science
[17:17] <Morseman> Tescos here I come...
[17:18] <Randomskk> enough to discharge static buildup, not enough to be a high current path to ground
[17:18] <Upu> Well consultants don't get me going
[17:18] <Upu> especially the IT ones....
[17:18] Action: Upu waits for it
[17:18] <Morseman> Yes, I was considering some form of resistance as well
[17:18] <Randomskk> but honestly I'd just not bother
[17:18] <Morseman> To be honest, I wouldn't anyway - They are not that expensive at Maplins even
[17:19] <Upu> I'm off to cooks some food before I insult someone by accident
[17:19] <jonsowman> lol
[17:19] <Morseman> I don't come here to be insulted (Where do you usually go then?)
[17:20] <eroomde> i come here to be insulted
[17:21] <Randomskk> eroomde: any thoughts on ^ and ^?
[17:21] <eroomde> which?
[17:21] <Randomskk> overambitious IIB projects
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[17:22] <Randomskk> and my table on my table
[17:22] <eroomde> i haven't been keeping up
[17:22] <eroomde> c+p the thing about IIb projects
[17:22] <Randomskk> http://www.flickr.com/photos/randomskk/6960330790/
[17:22] <Randomskk> 17:58:03 Randomskk> eroomde: what are your thoughts on overly ambitious IIB projects?
[17:22] <Randomskk> that was the whole thing
[17:23] <eroomde> mechatronics can be dangerous
[17:23] <eroomde> basically the do want actual engineering science
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[17:23] <eroomde> and it's very easy to spend 3 months battling hardware
[17:23] <Randomskk> this is likely to just be software, at least.
[17:23] <eroomde> ok
[17:23] <Randomskk> not that it's hard to spend three months battling software either
[17:23] <eroomde> well try and structure it so you have a few neat abort points
[17:24] <eroomde> what are you thinking of doing?
[17:24] <eroomde> also try and structure it if poss so you have a nice thing to show by the michaelmas report
[17:24] <eroomde> a nice result or something
[17:24] <Randomskk> yea I think I might have got some abort points in
[17:24] <eroomde> you have to do a wee (like 10 page) progress report
[17:24] <Randomskk> the proposal atm is https://randomskk.net/u/proposal.pdf but the deadline is tomorrow ;D
[17:25] <eroomde> might this be with rich wareham?
[17:25] <Randomskk> nope
[17:25] <Randomskk> well
[17:25] <Randomskk> I dunno, maybe? haven't got a supervisor yet
[17:25] <Randomskk> more likely with people from plantsci and then perhaps jorge goncalves as an intermediary. but I don't know, he seems more keen on control stuff.
[17:28] <eroomde> 2 mins need to spaff smnthg
[17:28] <Randomskk> yea I'm about to run anyway
[17:29] <Randomskk> will bear in mind the michalmas thing. got a thing in mind
[17:41] <cuddykid> Upu: yeah, when I saw the pics (sea landing was very distinctive) I instantly thought of your flight :P didn't realise he tagged along
[17:44] <Upu> in fairness without him the pictures wouldn't be back
[17:47] <cuddykid> was it your camera Upu?
[17:47] <Upu> yep
[17:47] <cuddykid> they were fantastic shots
[17:48] <Upu> it was this one : http://ava.upuaut.net/files/IMG_6480_stitch.jpg
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[17:52] <nosebleedkt> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsHUALU--Wc&feature=player_embedded
[17:52] <nosebleedkt> other uses of helium
[17:52] <nosebleedkt> :)
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[17:57] <eroomde> Randomskk: cool
[17:57] <eroomde> reads well
[17:58] <eroomde> i displike this emerging tendency for academics to name their labs after themselves
[17:58] <eroomde> it's a little bit too... american.
[17:58] <cuddykid> lovely Upu :D
[17:58] <cuddykid> Upu: was that A570?
[17:59] <SpeedEvil> http://www.wired.com/images/article/full/2008/08/elon_musk_630px.jpg http://www.startrek.com/database_article/starling - coincidence?
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[18:10] <Upu> yes cuddykid
[18:10] <Upu> but that was a lucky stitch of about 8-10 pictures
[18:10] <cuddykid> nice
[18:10] <Upu> the payload was spinning just at the right speed
[18:10] <cuddykid> I got some of the settings wrong for A570 on last flight
[18:10] <cuddykid> need to adjust them for future ones
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[18:12] <eroomde> i just took a screenshot
[18:12] <eroomde> which i think nicely illustrates how ambitions have gorwon in the last 3 years. 3 years ago and this weekend
[18:12] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/sJg7u.jpg
[18:13] <SpeedEvil> :)
[18:14] <SpeedEvil> In three years, you're not going to be able to carry it.
[18:15] <fsphil-laptop> in another three years, it can carry itself
[18:15] <number10__> maybe sitting in it
[18:16] <cuddykid> three years you'll be rivalling NASA
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> I hope in 3 years SpaceX has gotten reusability mostly working on the dragon.
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> And NASA is looking increasingly silly.
[18:18] <cuddykid> JP aerospace will be ruling space :P
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[18:49] <Upu> lol like it Ed
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[19:03] <griffonbot> Received email: Benjamin Oxley "Re: [UKHAS] Re: ASTRA Altitude Controller Launch Sunday the 22nd of April"
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[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:16] <Elmar_PD3EM> good evening
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> hi Elmar_PD3EM
[19:16] <Elmar_PD3EM> hi Lunar_Lander
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> sorry that the router was failing all the time yesterday
[19:17] <Elmar_PD3EM> hope you (or privider) solved the problem
[19:17] <Elmar_PD3EM> provider*
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> I think the thing keeps losing synchronization
[19:18] <Elmar_PD3EM> a lot of errors on the DSL?
[19:18] <Lunar_Lander> the "Status" light flashes rapidly that means it isn't synchronized
[19:19] <Elmar_PD3EM> have had a similar problem here a year ago....
[19:19] <Elmar_PD3EM> bad cable in the ground...
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:20] <Elmar_PD3EM> this solved it: http://yfrog.com/gzbc0jj
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:24] <Elmar_PD3EM> but I hope your problem will be solved easier
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> yea I hope so too
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[20:45] <fsphil> eroomde, that reflow controller works with any small oven doesn't it?
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[21:50] <nigelvh> So ronery, so ronery and sadry arone. There's noone just me onry...
[21:51] <SpeedEvil> hey
[21:51] <jonsowman> hello
[21:51] <jonsowman> it is quite quiet tonight
[21:51] <nigelvh> I hadn't noticed
[21:51] <nigelvh> ;)
[21:52] <nigelvh> Anything fun going on in your evenings while I sit here at work this afternoon?
[21:52] <jonsowman> revising
[21:52] <jonsowman> exam tomorrow
[21:52] <jonsowman> woo
[21:52] <nigelvh> woo indeed
[21:52] <nigelvh> What's the exam for?
[21:52] <jonsowman> software engineering
[21:52] <jonsowman> first of 10
[21:52] <nigelvh> May I assume college?
[21:53] <jonsowman> university, yeah
[21:53] <nigelvh> Undergrad or Grad?
[21:53] <jonsowman> 3rd year undergrad
[21:53] <gonzo_> (3rd year of drinking!)
[21:53] <nigelvh> Yeah, that was about as far as I got before I "took a hiatus"
[21:54] <jonsowman> gonzo_: haha, no time for that at the moment :(
[21:54] <gonzo_> does that require a surgical appliance?
[21:54] <nigelvh> It would have required a surgical appliance to make me not do so.
[21:54] <gonzo_> you'll prob get a better degree than me then!
[21:55] <jonsowman> be glad when these exams are over
[21:57] <nigelvh> For me it came down to the point where I couldn't force myself to attend the bulls*** classes anymore to get to the actually useful and interesting ones. As such, grades weren't good, and there's no point in spending a few grand a quarter to fail. So I just work now.
[21:57] <jonsowman> fair enough :)
[21:57] <SpeedEvil> I'm looking through android market, and being hugely surprised there isn't a sane vector cad program
[21:57] <SpeedEvil> just something really, really simple.
[21:58] <Laurenceb_> hahaha
[21:58] <Laurenceb_> that says a lot
[21:58] <Laurenceb_> about "apps"
[21:58] <SpeedEvil> There is an autocad thing that is sort of 20% of the way there.
[21:58] <SpeedEvil> But it can for example not draw lines that join to other lines.
[21:58] <Laurenceb_> cant you port things?
[21:59] <Laurenceb_> has anyone made some tools to port something like dia or inkscape
[21:59] <Laurenceb_> not that it would be very easy on touch based ui
[21:59] <SpeedEvil> Inkscape is possibly a lot heavy for ...
[21:59] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[22:01] <nigelvh> Isn't that the beauty of android though? You can make your own (without paying the developer license fee).
[22:01] <Laurenceb_> if you can cope with the bastardised java crazyness
[22:02] <SpeedEvil> nigelvh: hence there are eleven billion drawing apps aimed at 4 year old girls.
[22:02] <SpeedEvil> I've come to the conclusion that 90% of the android market is for 4 year old girls.
[22:03] <nigelvh> Yep, so make your fancy one aimed at 8 year old boys.
[22:03] <Laurenceb_> fun fact - girl from my A level maths group is on Oracles legal team for their latest patent dispute over android
[22:03] <Laurenceb_> probably be a millionaire very shortly :-/
[22:03] Action: SpeedEvil sighs.
[22:03] <NigeyS> :o
[22:03] <nigelvh> I am curious how that's going to turn out....
[22:03] <SpeedEvil> 'first we kill all the patent lawyers'
[22:04] <SpeedEvil> There are valid patents.
[22:04] <nigelvh> And a crapton more stupid ones.
[22:04] <SpeedEvil> But 99.99% of them seem to be patents that have been gtranted not to someone who came up with an innovative solution.
[22:04] <Laurenceb_> my ex gf is now a patent lawer too :(
[22:04] <SpeedEvil> But someone who came up with an innovative problem, and solved it in the obvious way.
[22:04] <Laurenceb_> i picked the wrong vocation it seems
[22:04] <NigeyS> lol
[22:05] <nigelvh> "A system or a method of cleaning a person's posterior using invalidated patent documents"
[22:05] <nigelvh> Patent Pending
[22:06] <SpeedEvil> 'A device using one or a plurality of sensors employing one or more of the weak, strong, electromagnetic or gravitic forces, a computing element, and effectuators using the aforementioned forces under control of the computing element'
[22:08] <nigelvh> "... on the internet"
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[22:17] <griffonbot> Received email: steamfire@gmail.com "Re: [UKHAS] PicoChu-5 Launch Announcement"
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[23:31] <SpeedEvil> https://twitter.com/#!/SpaceX/status/194546286064705536
[23:31] <SpeedEvil> 'Remember to check the signs as you go across the equator!'
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[23:52] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRBH21IvSrc 'Tilt'
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