highaltitude.log.20120421

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[00:17] <Bob_G8NSV> NigeyS they will probably have silly faces on them!!
[00:17] <Bob_G8NSV> or happy birthday
[00:18] <Lunar_Lander_> ah NigeyS is still here
[00:18] <Lunar_Lander_> had an error, sorry
[00:20] <Bob_G8NSV> boo hoo one of my dogs just knocked a half full glass of JD and coke straight into my face!!
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[00:20] <Lunar_Lander_> ohh
[00:20] <fsphil-laptop> eek
[00:20] <fsphil-laptop> at least it wasn't over the pc
[00:20] <Bob_G8NSV> fortunately picked the broken bits up before they trod in it
[00:20] <Lunar_Lander_> today I was in the elevator at uni where there also were two other students holding a ThinkPad and obviously discussing what to do now after one of them poured coffee over it
[00:20] <Bob_G8NSV> no in other room
[00:21] <Bob_G8NSV> ouch bet that was expensive
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[00:22] <Bob_G8NSV> this was my fault for encouraging german shepherds to play with dog toys!!
[00:22] <Bob_G8NSV> a day for spilling stuff then!
[00:23] <Bob_G8NSV> not as bad as last fri (the 13th) dropped my samsung galaxy from near the top of the radar tower at work. thank goodness for vodafone insurance!!
[00:23] <Lunar_Lander_> OHHH how high?
[00:23] <Bob_G8NSV> around 20M
[00:24] <Lunar_Lander_> OHHH
[00:24] <Lunar_Lander_> smashed?
[00:24] <Bob_G8NSV> it hit the metal steps then the rconcrete. the gorrila glass survived the display didnt
[00:24] <Bob_G8NSV> still made noises tho
[00:25] <Bob_G8NSV> think it was just the display broke
[00:25] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander_: remove the battery, dissasemble, wash, dry at 60C for a week
[00:25] <SpeedEvil> But I suspect you know that.
[00:25] <SpeedEvil> If anyone mentions rice, ignore them.
[00:26] <Bob_G8NSV> clean tap water with the battery out is the best bet, slightly warm just water nothing else is the best bet
[00:26] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[00:26] <Lunar_Lander_> I once had to recover my old laptop from water damage
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[00:26] <Lunar_Lander_> water ran in when I was in the bathtub and wanted to listen to music from it
[00:26] <Lunar_Lander_> that was a bad ide
[00:27] <Lunar_Lander_> +a
[00:27] <Bob_G8NSV> my mate and I get a lot of DJ dtuff cd decks and mixers etc that have had drinks in them
[00:27] <Bob_G8NSV> from a guy who hires stuff out we do repairs for him
[00:27] <Bob_G8NSV> always tell him to get tap water in soon as poss
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[00:28] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[00:29] <Bob_G8NSV> we were at a hire job once and one of my dogs (again!!) knocked beer into one of our power amps. ripped the mains out and we poured bottlled water through the front were the beer went, dried it out still works fine
[00:30] <Bob_G8NSV> doesent always work!!!
[00:30] <Lunar_Lander_> cool!
[00:30] <Lunar_Lander_> oh
[00:31] <Bob_G8NSV> we make good money fixing stuff that has had a drink!!
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[00:32] <Bob_G8NSV> pernod and an Allen and heath dj mixer cost the owner a bomb
[00:32] <Bob_G8NSV> stunk our workshop out for a week!!
[00:32] <Lunar_Lander_> ohh
[00:33] <Bob_G8NSV> once had a radar keyboard and trackball at work a controller spilt tea in
[00:33] <Bob_G8NSV> costly
[00:35] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[00:36] <Bob_G8NSV> still there NigeyS?
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[00:41] <Bob_G8NSV> night all off to beddybyes
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[04:02] <vk5gr> ping Darkside
[04:26] <Darkside> vk5gr: hey
[04:26] <Darkside> i'm in at hackerspace atm
[04:26] <vk5gr> hi there
[04:26] <vk5gr> just wondering if you had any way to e-mail me the screen shot of the station distribution from horus 23 thta you showed last niught?
[04:26] <Darkside> oh right
[04:26] <Darkside> hold on
[04:27] <vk5gr> just trying to put the finishing touches on that doco
[04:27] <vk5gr> thanks!
[04:27] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/b3XxS.jpg
[04:27] <Darkside> theres that
[04:27] <Darkside> i can upload the kmz files
[04:27] <Darkside> so you can do what you want
[04:27] <vk5gr> the jpg will be fine I think - just going to do a quick cut to it
[04:28] <vk5gr> actually if you could I could try a screen fly and caputre
[04:29] <Darkside> http://pipe2.darklomax.org/horus23.kmz
[04:29] <Darkside> http://pipe2.darklomax.org/horus23_contacts.kml
[04:29] <vk5gr> thanks for that
[04:31] <Darkside> no probs
[04:31] <Darkside> looking forward to the video!
[04:32] <Darkside> ok booting into windows
[04:32] <Darkside> back in a bit
[04:34] <heathkid> good luck
[05:03] <Darkside> woot
[05:03] <Darkside> heathkid: i'm not dead
[05:04] <heathkid> :)
[05:05] <heathkid> Darkside: do you do high altitude balloon launches?
[05:06] <heathkid> I would love for someone here to explain to me how about 19 miles up is "high altitude"
[05:06] <heathkid> 1/5 the way to space... come one...
[05:06] <heathkid> on (not one)
[05:06] <heathkid> come on....
[05:07] <heathkid> 86 people in here and no one can explain why we can't go to 100 miles up?
[05:08] <heathkid> and no... not with a weather balloon
[05:08] <heathkid> weather balloon assist and no rockets involved...
[05:08] <heathkid> think people....
[05:17] <sgp4> heathkid: I have no idea, has this already been done before?
[05:18] <sgp4> that is, no rockets, balloon assist and 100mi
[05:20] <vk5gr> what do you mean by weather balloon "assist"?
[05:20] <vk5gr> it's either the weather balloon holding on to your payload or it isnt
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[05:21] <vk5gr> 99% of the atmosphere is below you at 35km altitude - so there isnt enough air to make a aircraft wing work - so it is either somethjing that is lighter than air or rocket propelled
[05:21] <sgp4> vk5gr: there have been rockets launched from highaltitude balloons, nasa did it in the 1950s apparently
[05:21] <sgp4> but I cant think of anything that isnt a rocket being assisted to high altitude and then lanuched to 100mi
[05:22] <heathkid> think about what is lighter than air
[05:22] <vk5gr> nasa were playing with zero presure balloons to 50 km altitude I think it was over central australia a couple of years ago - they may have tried other things earlier too
[05:22] <heathkid> yes
[05:22] <vk5gr> basically - hydrogen or helium
[05:22] <heathkid> what's lighter than hydrogen?
[05:23] <vk5gr> nothing is - Hydrogen is the lightest element.
[05:23] <vk5gr> it is first on the periodic table
[05:23] <heathkid> vacuum
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[05:24] <vk5gr> so your theory is to fill something with nothing? - as Hal would sal - divide by zero error
[05:24] <heathkid> yep
[05:24] <vk5gr> doesnt work that way - a vacume itself doesnt even have "nothing" in it - there are always atoms present - just in very very low quantities
[05:25] <heathkid> I never claimed a "perfect vacuum"
[05:25] <heathkid> that doesn't exist
[05:26] <heathkid> as you said vk5gr, there is always "something" in it
[05:26] <heathkid> but close enough to work
[05:26] <sgp4> ok so what light weight structure are you going to create a vacume in to create boyancy?
[05:26] <heathkid> sgp4: I was hoping you could tell me...
[05:26] <sgp4> lol
[05:27] <heathkid> ;)
[05:27] <sgp4> XD
[05:27] <heathkid> guess I need a negative vacuum
[05:28] <heathkid> to make up for the mass of the structure
[05:28] <heathkid> right?
[05:28] <vk5gr> so your theory is to have a container that holds something that is less dense than the surrounding air at an altitude of 100 miles. it could be done but the higher you go, the less air around you, so to contain a volume that is less dense than that air means you have to build a bigger container.
[05:28] <vk5gr> otherwise you have no way to capture that lift and use it
[05:28] <heathkid> yes
[05:28] <vk5gr> the problem is, the cdontainers then get very very very large
[05:28] <vk5gr> to be able to carry any serious weight
[05:28] <sgp4> the first thing I was going to respond to your question with was the space elevators, but they havent been proven yet.
[05:29] <heathkid> that's the idea
[05:29] <heathkid> it could work but isn't practicle until the structure is invented
[05:29] <vk5gr> space elevators are possible - the problem is having the right materials that are strong enough to be self supporting over hundreds of km - and deal with the atmospheric forces of moving air masses around them.
[05:30] <vk5gr> mankind only now is beginning to come close to having access to materials that may be eventually capable of it
[05:30] <heathkid> so let's use it
[05:30] <sgp4> yeah, itd be cool if I got to see that within my life time
[05:30] <heathkid> and maybe go 20 miles up
[05:30] <heathkid> or 50
[05:31] <heathkid> I'm sure I won't see it in my lifetime... but the idea is sound and the theory works....
[05:31] <heathkid> just need the materials
[05:32] <sgp4> I think rockets would be cheaper at that point
[05:32] <heathkid> but I'll never be happy with a *pop* at 19 miles...
[05:32] <vk5gr> go and read arthur C clark's 2086 I think it was or 3001 - one of those books describes using diamond to do it - just need vast quantities of it :-)
[05:32] <sgp4> lol
[05:33] <heathkid> heh
[05:34] <heathkid> if I had "vast quantities of diamonds"... I'd just buy a chemical rocket and "see you all later"...
[05:36] <heathkid> first stop... Mars. I'm tired of rovers. I'll figure it all out once I get there.
[05:36] <heathkid> anyone going with me?
[05:36] <sgp4> oh me!
[05:36] <sgp4> heh
[05:37] <sgp4> yeah thatd be fun
[05:37] <heathkid> certainly worth the trip!
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[05:39] <heathkid> right?
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[05:49] <sgp4> yeah I'd have to agree
[05:49] <sgp4> just hope nothing goes wrong on the trip, I rather enjoy being able to expierence life a short one would be rather tragic
[06:01] <heathkid> I'm sure it's be a fine trip both there and back
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[07:17] <daveake> morning all
[07:18] <number10> morning
[07:18] <fsphil-laptop> yaaawn
[07:19] <daveake> Needed to be up early in case UPS turned up early with my Farnell bits. Which they did.
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[07:21] <number10> all work supplies - any hab bits smuggled in the order?
[07:21] <daveake> :-). No I'm all habbed out :)
[07:22] <daveake> Got some stuff during the week, including some bits to try and recover picobuzz from that tree
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[07:26] <number10> ohh that sounds interesting, what sort of stuff for the tree rescue?
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[07:28] <daveake> One of these babies to throw a weight with line up over the tree - http://www.barnettcrossbows.com/slingshots/index.html
[07:28] <Upu> morning
[07:28] <fsphil-laptop> telescopic scissors mk2?
[07:28] <Upu> that was my idea :)
[07:28] <Upu> the saw was Robs
[07:28] <Upu> in fairness the scissors sucked badly
[07:28] <daveake> then a saw - http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?hl=en&rlz=&q=wire+saw&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=8633900586786630168&sa=X&ei=m2GST8TvKomGhQfXismJBA&ved=0CGcQ8wIwAA
[07:29] <Upu> next time the scissors are being replaced with this : http://www.greenmanbushcraft.co.uk/cutting-tools/knives/frosts-mora-bushcraft-training-knife-high-carbon-clipper.htm
[07:29] <daveake> Then either pull the payload down (if the line goes over the payload line) or remove part of tree :D
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[07:29] <fsphil-laptop> it was no worse than my circular saw on a pole idea
[07:29] <Upu> can you set up a cam on your efforts should be good for a laugh :)
[07:29] <Upu> lol fsphil
[07:30] <daveake> lol
[07:31] <Upu> looks like its going to rain here
[07:35] <number10> those knives are very sarp Upu
[07:35] <number10> did you get catapult and string to dave
[07:35] <Upu> they are, Caroline bought me one 5 years ago which is still sharp enough to take the hairs off the back of your hand
[07:36] <Upu> Dave bought his own Catapult
[07:36] <Upu> the wire saw was Rob Harrisons suggestion
[07:36] <number10> you also need a lead weight
[07:36] <daveake> yep
[07:36] <Upu> yeah fishing weight
[07:36] <number10> sounds familiar
[07:37] <Upu> one of my engineers is getting me a few this weekend
[07:37] <Upu> though an M10 nut should do it
[07:37] <fsphil-laptop> hook knife is great too if you can get it hooked onto the cord
[07:37] <daveake> In this instance I suspect I need the cord to pull the thing down with
[07:38] <daveake> It's almost horizontal with the payload box in one branch and the foil balloons in another
[07:38] <daveake> If I cut the line I think the box will stay there
[07:39] <fsphil-laptop> I'm going to put a small loop in the cord just above the payload in future
[07:40] <fsphil-laptop> so I can hook onto that, and cut above it
[07:40] <fsphil-laptop> then just lift it down
[07:41] <fsphil-laptop> though thinking about it, getting a tiny hook into a tiny loop while 10m below the payload is gonna take a very steady hand and exceptional eyesight
[07:41] <number10> I used the catapult teqnique to chop some brabches that were overhanging my garden - with a slightly more robust say - like a hand chain saw
[07:41] <number10> saw
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[07:45] <NigelMoby> moo moo
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[07:46] <fsphil-laptop> good moo'ning
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[07:50] <NigelMoby> morning dude.
[07:51] <number10> you should have got a better catapult daveake http://www.sherrilltree.com/Professional-Gear/BIGshot
[07:55] <Upu> if that hits the payload it will end up in the next county
[07:56] <number10> :)
[08:00] <daveake> ooh tempting ;)
[08:01] <daveake> Remember though it's a near worthless tracker (several weeks in a tree plus 2 hours in the sea)
[08:01] <daveake> I just want to remove the blot on the landscape :)
[08:03] <number10> well you could open habrental.com and hire it out
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[08:06] <daveake> I could rent out a range of tree removal devices. But possibly not using this method ... http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/80435730/
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[08:26] <Adam012> Hello, does anyone know if this http://proto-pic.co.uk/logic-level-converter/ would be suitable to link http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=51 with an Arduino Uno?
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[08:34] <Upu> morning Adam
[08:34] <Upu> yes it should be
[08:34] <Upu> thats just the spark fun one
[08:35] <Upu> you can just use a voltage divider for it , but you need to have a separate 3.3V power for the GPS as it needs more than the 50mA that the Arduino can supply on the 3.3v pin
[08:44] <Adam012> Would the 5 pin of the arduino supply enough power? If not what would you suggest using as an alternative?
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[08:46] <Adam012> Sorry 5V pin. I know that the 3.3V pin only puts out 50mA.
[08:46] <Adam012> What is the draw of the GPS 3.3V pin?
[08:48] <Upu> under aquistion about 65mA
[08:48] <Upu> less once it has a lock and there are a number of power saving modes
[08:49] <Upu> you know the actual easy way to do this
[08:49] <Upu> is get a 3.3V Arduino :)
[08:49] <Upu> uBlox power saving modes : http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:ublox_psm
[08:51] <Upu> I am working on a board with built in level conversion but I need to get round to testing it
[08:52] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/mx1v5.jpg <- that
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[08:54] <Upu> has an on board voltage regulator and level conversion circuit
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[09:04] <Adam012> Would wither of these be suitable: http://proto-pic.co.uk/arduino-pro-328-3-3v-8mhz/ or http://proto-pic.co.uk/arduino-pro-mini-328-3-3v-8mhz/ ?
[09:05] <Upu> yes both those
[09:05] <Upu> thought you will need the FTDI Serial thingy for programming them
[09:05] <Upu> all my boards are based on that Pro one
[09:05] <Upu> the radios and most other bits run at 3.3v anyway
[09:08] <Upu> just afk for a bit
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[09:09] <Bob_G8NSV> mornin all
[09:10] <Adam012> That looks like the best bet then. We've been offered sponsorship by rapid electronics but they don't sell the sensors we had picked out (BMP085, DS18B20 and DHT22). They don't sell a 3.3V Arduino either. Drat
[09:12] <Adam012> I've got to head out but thank you again for all of the advice Upu it is gratefully received. I'll have another look at the two computers we were planning to build (one flight computer for GPS and radio, and one environmental monitoring computer).
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[09:18] <NigelMoby> right all going well Picochu should be in the air about 1pm.
[09:18] <Bob_G8NSV> mornin morseman
[09:18] <Bob_G8NSV> mornin gonzo
[09:19] <Bob_G8NSV> Nigelmoby hey well done! what are todays predictions for it?
[09:20] <NigelMoby> pretty much same as last time straight over the bristol channel towards Southampton.
[09:23] <Bob_G8NSV> coming my way then, will be waiting
[09:23] <Bob_G8NSV> I need to dig my lttle 12v PC out and get the SDR software and fldigi on it
[09:24] <NigelMoby> yup, launch maybe delayed an hour or 2 really depends on the rain holding off.
[09:25] <jonsowman> oo launch
[09:25] <Bob_G8NSV> getting that pc ready is a job I need to do
[09:25] <jonsowman> i'll try and track from cam but i doubt i'll hear much
[09:25] <NigelMoby> yup Jon managed to find balloons!!
[09:25] <jonsowman> nice one
[09:26] <NigelMoby> right bbs ill post details to the list asap.
[09:28] <Bob_G8NSV> Clintons?
[09:34] <Morseman> Morning Bob_G8NSV was way having breakfast and doing some tidying up
[09:35] <Bob_G8NSV> just digging out my 12 pc in case I need to go mobile
[09:35] <Bob_G8NSV> time I got the SDR software on it
[09:36] <Morseman> Got to pick up stepdaughter for her wedding dress fitting so may miss the balloon launch
[09:36] <Morseman> She fell down some stairs and broke her hand the other day so can't drive ATM
[09:36] <jonsowman> ouch
[09:37] <Morseman> Yes... Only 6 weeks to the wedding as well!
[09:37] <jonsowman> oh dear, will the cast be off by then?
[09:37] <Morseman> The hospital think may get away with a splint
[09:37] <jonsowman> :)
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[09:38] <Morseman> bit it's afected the ring finger, which isn't good for a wedding
[09:38] <jonsowman> at least it wasnt any more serious than a broken hand
[09:38] <jonsowman> still unfortunate though
[09:38] <jonsowman> :(
[09:40] <Morseman> Yes - It's frustrating for her not being able to drive as well
[09:40] <jonsowman> yeah must be
[09:41] <jonsowman> NigelMoby: what frequency you on today? and have you got a flight doc sorted?
[09:52] <NigelMoby> .650 will do flight doc in 5
[09:53] <jonsowman> cool :)
[09:55] <Upu> oh we have flight today cool
[09:56] <NigelMoby> Jon are u able to edit the Picochu 4 doc?
[09:56] <jonsowman> indeed i am
[09:56] <jonsowman> it is just times that need changing?
[09:57] <NigelMoby> ahh pls, time from 1pm - 8pm and change name to picochu 5 if poss, all else is the same.
[09:58] <jonsowman> no problem, 2 mins
[09:58] <NigelMoby> thanks dude :)
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[10:03] <jonsowman> NigelMoby: done
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[10:05] <jonsowman> right, better go do some work, will be back later for launch
[10:05] <jonsowman> bbl
[10:05] <NigeyS> tnx for that Jon, ttyl :-)
[10:09] <fsphil> Good luck with the launch! (and hopeful recovery). I'm gonna be stuck at a birthday party
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[10:10] <NigeyS> well if the weather doesnt play ball itll be delayed a bit so you may be back lol
[10:10] <fsphil-m> Yayish :)
[10:10] <NigeyS> bugger all wind, just want this bit of rain to not make it here by this afternoon
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[10:48] <Dutch-Mill> Good mornig / afternoon the PicoChu-5 is added to fldigi for today...is it planned for today?
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[11:18] <Upu> hey Dutch-Mill
[11:18] <Upu> I believe that is still on though its a pico foil launch
[11:19] <Laurenceb_> cool a launch
[11:19] <Laurenceb_> hopefully it wont die this time
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[11:21] <NigeyS> laurenceb picochu4 didnt die, it just descended lol
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[11:22] <NigeyS> yey netsplitz
[11:24] <fsphil-m> Woohoo
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[11:48] <Laurenceb_> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28467113/gnu_radio.png
[11:48] <Laurenceb_> ^dvbt dongle on OSX
[11:48] <jonsowman> nice
[11:56] <vk5gr> ping juxta
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[11:58] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Cudworth "[UKHAS] Re: Provisional Launch Announcement 28/04/2012"
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[12:05] <Bob_G8NSV> NigeyS how is your weather doing for launch?
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[12:28] <Morseman> Just seen PicoChu-5 come up in FLDigi listings
[12:28] <jonsowman> yep, launch in the next few hours
[12:29] <jonsowman> weather depending
[12:29] <jonsowman> chucking it down here :(
[12:29] <fsphil-m> Wet n windy here
[12:30] <LazyLeopard> Bright-n-sunny here...
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[13:03] <NigeyS> grrr
[13:03] <NigeyS> saturday traffic is a joke!
[13:03] <priyesh> :(
[13:03] <priyesh> how's the launch prep going?
[13:04] <NigeyS> ok actually, just about to start the insulation
[13:04] <NigeyS> possibly good to go for 3 - 3:30
[13:04] <priyesh> great :)
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[13:09] <priyesh> apexhab's remote tracker all setup
[13:11] <NigeyS> shweet, very similar track to last time so should get good coverage
[13:12] <cuddykid> lovely and sunny here - makes a change
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[13:20] <griffonbot> Received email: Nigel Smart "[UKHAS] PicoChu-5 Launch Announcement"
[13:23] <priyesh> that's a nice flight path
[13:23] <NigeyS> :D
[13:23] <NigeyS> hope it makes all the way this time lol
[13:23] <priyesh> yeah
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[13:28] <daveake> Aerial is up, but with that flight path I needn't have bothered :p
[13:28] <LazyLeopard> Oh>
[13:29] <LazyLeopard> Oh? Where's it headed?
[13:29] <daveake> As in, "a wet piece of string would work"
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[13:29] <daveake> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=33ad6628962d3dfa0d62dc323c5eaefdaf482962
[13:29] <LazyLeopard> Ah ;)
[13:30] <daveake> Storm clouds around so I may need to disconnect at times
[13:31] <LazyLeopard> Indeed. Expecting similar here.
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[13:40] <cuddykid> NigeyS: do you mind taking a photo of the payload when it's all setup ready to go? Interested in seeing one of these pico payloads all prepped
[13:41] <NigeyS> sure
[13:42] <cuddykid> thanks :D
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[14:15] <Bob_G8NSV> been a good week for mending my old test equipment. just got my racal 9082 sig gen working!!
[14:15] <daveake> :)
[14:15] <daveake> Getting practice in for the important one? ;)
[14:15] <Bob_G8NSV> it was a SC tantalum on the output board
[14:16] <Bob_G8NSV> clearing space in my workshop so I can use a big bench I have in ther efor balloon envelope costruction
[14:18] <Bob_G8NSV> new scales on me vector voltmeter and a brill sig gen fixed in one week! yes the big one will go on the test kit at work tom. I found the manual and circuit
[14:18] <Bob_G8NSV> ;)
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[14:19] <Bob_G8NSV> got a Marconi 2945A on the bench at work that is the business!!
[14:20] <Darkside> http://vimeo.com/40771342
[14:20] <Bob_G8NSV> we are lucky and have 2 of them so we still have one when the other is off for cal. If I'm careful i can borrow one.
[14:22] <jonsowman> very nice Darkside
[14:22] <Bob_G8NSV> w e now have some very nice kit at work, way better than a few years ago handheld scope, handheld spectrum analyser and a very nice anritsu sig gen that goes up to around 3.5Ghz!
[14:22] <Bob_G8NSV> as does the spectrum analyser! they are for the radar
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[14:25] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: http://t.co/rlK8fAjV Project Horus: Horus 23 - Amateur Radio in the Sky #projecthorus #arhab [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/193706910199980032]
[14:26] <Upu> oh nice one you got the landing
[14:29] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: RT @darksidelemm: http://t.co/rlK8fAjV Project Horus: Horus 23 - Amateur Radio in the Sky #projecthorus #arhab [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/193707972424241152]
[14:34] <NigeyS> bout 20 mins we think guys :)
[14:34] <Upu> just let go already
[14:34] <jonsowman> coool
[14:35] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/pXkiA.jpg ready for next weekend
[14:35] <daveake> my eyes my eyes :)
[14:35] <Upu> :)
[14:36] <Upu> just wondering if I can get the mincam in there too :)
[14:36] <daveake> I would think so :)
[14:36] <daveake> Just don't tape it to the outside :p
[14:36] <Upu> no that doens't end well
[14:46] <daveake> picochu seems to be on the road
[14:47] <daveake> or perhaps just gps bounce
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[14:57] <number10> Upu are you sending an Ava payload with peaky next week?
[14:59] <Upu> yup
[14:59] <Upu> its Ava transmitting as peaksky
[14:59] <daveake> Pinky and Peaky
[14:59] <fsphil-laptop> great video Darkside
[14:59] <Upu> depending on frequencies I might put the second tracker in their payload as well
[15:02] <number10> you going along to the launch
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[15:07] <NigeyS> Launch
[15:08] <priyesh> :)
[15:08] <fsphil-laptop> yay lunch
[15:08] <jonsowman> woo
[15:08] <fsphil-laptop> oh, launch
[15:08] <daveake> mmmLunch
[15:08] <jonsowman> lol
[15:08] <Upu> dial NigeyS
[15:08] <Upu> ?
[15:08] <NigeyS> 434.650.7
[15:09] <Upu> ta probably being optimisitic
[15:09] <fsphil-laptop> that's moving fairly quickly
[15:09] <daveake> a little :)
[15:09] <fsphil-laptop> not going up too fast though
[15:09] <fsphil-laptop> ah, getting faster now
[15:09] <NigeyS> we had a issue with the ballons, the 36inch had a tear had to use an 18inch, so this is prolly gonna burst early
[15:10] <NigeyS> balloons*
[15:10] <fsphil-laptop> RAF Pengam Moors
[15:10] <fsphil-laptop> you buzzed the RAF :)
[15:10] <NigeyS> :o
[15:10] <fsphil-laptop> over the water already
[15:10] <NigeyS> thats a mad ascent rate, it was like 1.0 in the house :|
[15:11] <fsphil-laptop> why's it speeding up
[15:11] <fsphil-laptop> must be solar heating
[15:11] <NigeyS> its got pretty windy too :/
[15:11] <fsphil-laptop> slowing now
[15:12] <NigeyS> yey
[15:12] <NigeyS> nice n slow over the ocean pls lol
[15:12] <fsphil-laptop> or not
[15:12] <fsphil-laptop> foils are so unpredictable
[15:12] <NigeyS> yup, pita!!
[15:13] <fsphil-laptop> 3m/2
[15:13] <fsphil-laptop> s
[15:13] <fsphil-laptop> 3.8!
[15:14] <NigeyS> :o
[15:14] <fsphil-laptop> how's that even possible
[15:14] <NigeyS> impossible :|
[15:14] <fsphil-laptop> unless you're in a thermal
[15:14] <NigeyS> with 1 18" and a 36" no way, it barely had lift to get off the ground...lol
[15:14] <fsphil-laptop> lol, 4.4
[15:14] <jonsowman> er, are you sure you didn't attach a latex to it by mistake?
[15:14] <NigeyS> positive!!
[15:14] <priyesh> or an engine or some sort
[15:14] <NigeyS> lols
[15:15] <priyesh> wow
[15:15] <fsphil-laptop> 4.5
[15:15] <NigeyS> never seen a foil do 4.4 in my life!
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[15:15] <priyesh> 4.5
[15:15] <fsphil-laptop> 4.9!!
[15:15] <jonsowman> dont think anyone has
[15:15] <priyesh> 4.9!
[15:15] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[15:15] <jonsowman> NigeyS: USB i assume?
[15:15] <fsphil-laptop> noooo way
[15:15] <NigeyS> usb yup
[15:15] <priyesh> 5.5
[15:15] <daveake> uploading :)
[15:15] <priyesh> 6.2
[15:15] <NigeyS> gotta be in a weird updraft or something :|
[15:15] <jonsowman> this can only last for so long
[15:15] <fsphil-laptop> 6.2m/s
[15:15] <jonsowman> ...
[15:15] <fsphil-laptop> that has to be a thermal
[15:15] <jonsowman> yeah must be
[15:16] <Bob_G8NSV> any cunim about?
[15:16] <fsphil-laptop> that is impressive
[15:16] <priyesh> should be able to get it here in london soonish
[15:16] <fsphil-laptop> daveake and astra have it
[15:16] <NigeyS> this is mental
[15:16] <fsphil-laptop> yay, slowing down
[15:16] <fsphil-laptop> 4.2
[15:16] <priyesh> freq Matt_soton ?
[15:16] <NigeyS> ah well some saturday afternoon fun lols
[15:16] <Matt_soton> 651
[15:16] <NigeyS> 434.650.7 ish
[15:17] <fsphil-laptop> 2.4
[15:17] <fsphil-laptop> air brakes
[15:17] <NigeyS> yey sensible values!
[15:17] <NigeyS> lol phil
[15:17] <jonsowman> lol the altitude graph
[15:17] <NigeyS> oh my :|
[15:17] <fsphil-laptop> 1.7.. please don't descent
[15:17] <fsphil-laptop> d*
[15:18] <fsphil-laptop> nope
[15:18] <fsphil-laptop> this is all over the place
[15:18] <NigeyS> crazy stuff, i didnt put a rocket engine on it i swear!!
[15:18] <fsphil-laptop> going up again
[15:18] <fsphil-laptop> at this rate I'll be able to hear it soon
[15:19] <fsphil-laptop> what's the signal like. steady?
[15:19] <NigeyS> rock solid here
[15:20] <fsphil-laptop> I don't understand thermals, can they occur over water?
[15:20] <NigeyS> hmm got no idea tbh
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[15:20] <Bob_G8NSV> are there any big clouds about?
[15:20] <NigeyS> lots..
[15:20] <fsphil-laptop> yea, could have been a thunderstorm
[15:20] <fsphil-laptop> they suck up the air underneath
[15:21] <NigeyS> ahhhhh
[15:21] <NigeyS> so it went through a thunderstorm u think ?
[15:21] <fsphil-laptop> though you'd notice them
[15:21] <G4DPZ> frequency please
[15:21] <fsphil-laptop> twice a day
[15:21] <Bob_G8NSV> very powerful updraughts, and associated downdrafts. they can take aircraft out. microbursts
[15:21] <priyesh> appearing on my waterfall
[15:21] <NigeyS> G4DPZ, 434.650.7
[15:21] <G4DPZ> ta
[15:22] <NigeyS> yey cmon priyesh u must rx this! its a super balloon..lol
[15:22] <priyesh> haha
[15:22] <fsphil-laptop> just hope the balloon can handle the ascent rate
[15:22] <GW8RAK> Can hear it up here NigeyS
[15:23] <NigeyS> blimey
[15:23] <fsphil-laptop> there is some lightning around the uk but none near cardiff atm
[15:23] <NigeyS> super balloon and super antenna .. liking this!
[15:23] <GW8RAK> Just coming over the horizon now
[15:23] <fsphil-laptop> 3km now
[15:23] <NigeyS> fsphil we are forcast some thunder later :(
[15:23] <fsphil-laptop> yays!
[15:23] <fsphil-laptop> here too I think
[15:23] <fsphil-laptop> I must get my lightning detector built
[15:24] <GW8RAK> Someone else wants to build one as well?
[15:24] <priyesh> decode!
[15:24] <NigeyS> yey!!
[15:25] <fsphil-laptop> half way to land again
[15:25] <NigeyS> 3333m
[15:25] <NigeyS> dont u dare pop!
[15:25] <fsphil-laptop> 0.6
[15:26] <fsphil-laptop> please float
[15:26] <daveake> yeah normal rate now
[15:26] <fsphil-laptop> go on
[15:26] <fsphil-laptop> you know you want to
[15:26] <GW8RAK> Is the shift a bit less than predicted?
[15:26] <fsphil-laptop> actually GW8RAK you're well placed for a pico from here too
[15:26] <daveake> looks about right
[15:26] <NigeyS> might be a tiny bit out, but i see spot on 425 here
[15:27] <GW8RAK> okay, I think I've got 2 signals in the band.
[15:27] <NigeyS> eek
[15:27] <GW8RAK> me no understand fsphil-laptop
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[15:27] <G4DPZ> just picking it up
[15:27] <fsphil-laptop> GW8RAK, if I launch a pico you'd probably hear it quite quickly
[15:28] <GW8RAK> Of course, sorry for being dense. Been metal bashing all afternoon
[15:29] <NigeyS> temp not as stable as last time, used less gaffa tape!
[15:29] <jonsowman> lol
[15:29] <GW8RAK> Don't think I'll be decoding any of these unless it gets higher
[15:30] <jonsowman> ditto
[15:30] <priyesh> has PicoChu5 been launched before?
[15:30] <jonsowman> radio horizon stopped just short of cambridge
[15:30] <Bob_G8NSV> nothing here yet
[15:30] <G4DPZ> it's behing the malvern hill for me
[15:30] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Might be one of those days the yagi would have made a difference... Getting some lines, though.
[15:30] <jonsowman> i was hoping it'd get to about 6km
[15:31] <NigeyS> priyesh, picochu-4 was same hardware
[15:31] <priyesh> hmm - the stats are showing >900 packets for picochu4
[15:31] <priyesh> *5
[15:31] <fsphil-laptop> 0.1
[15:31] <NigeyS> it was powered up for quite a while b4 launch
[15:32] <fsphil-laptop> float?
[15:32] <priyesh> ASTRA definitely hasn't received 970 packets :P
[15:32] <LazyLeopard> Oh... Horrible noises off...
[15:32] <priyesh> that said, PicoChu4 is now missing
[15:32] <NigeyS> yup
[15:32] <priyesh> so i'm guessing it's the same flightdoc renamed
[15:33] <jonsowman> yeah, i should have made a new one, but yno
[15:33] <jonsowman> i'm lazy :D
[15:33] <priyesh> oh
[15:33] <priyesh> lol
[15:33] <priyesh> :P
[15:33] <NigeyS> lol
[15:33] <priyesh> Habitat isn't going to be happy :P
[15:33] <jonsowman> i couldn't really care less lol
[15:33] <priyesh> haha
[15:34] <fsphil-laptop> yea, float. nice one
[15:34] <priyesh> horizon approaching you very slowly jonsowman
[15:34] <priyesh> maybe in 30 minutes?
[15:34] <jonsowman> i can't hear the apexhab tracker but looks like occasional bursts of QRM
[15:34] <daveake> that's an incredible ascent curve
[15:34] <priyesh> jonsowman: there's a voip option on the tracker so you can hear the radio
[15:34] <NigeyS> lol ohh yes its 1 for the books is that
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[15:35] <Rob_M0DTS> is frequency close to .650?
[15:36] <NigeyS> 650.7
[15:36] <Rob_M0DTS> ta
[15:36] <priyesh> 651.7 here
[15:36] <NigeyS> sorry yeah 651
[15:36] <NigeyS> climbing again :|
[15:37] <cuddykid> would be interesting to send a pico straight through a storm cell :P
[15:38] <NigeyS> hah prolly get something like 90m/s if what happened earlier is anything to go by, poor pico prolly thought he was in a dam hoover!
[15:38] <cuddykid> lol
[15:39] <NigeyS> almost over land again
[15:39] <cuddykid> I presume no one's chasing this?
[15:39] <NigeyS> nah, 1 way trip
[15:40] <cuddykid> :)
[15:40] <NigeyS> just glad it wasnt a short 1 to the bristol channel!
[15:40] <cuddykid> indeed
[15:40] <Bob_G8NSV> can just see it on the waterfall
[15:40] <cuddykid> what an odd altitude graph!
[15:41] <NigeyS> cuddykid, i reckon its all these scattered thunder clouds
[15:42] <cuddykid> yeah
[15:42] <cuddykid> definately
[15:42] <NigeyS> if its gonna burst early, id expect it to be within the next 500 meters
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[15:43] <griffonbot> @steamfire: Trimming the sails on @LVL1WhiteStar's @Lallynaut, watching her go a while, and tweak again... She's almost ready to fly. #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/steamfire/status/193726735605440515]
[15:44] <NigeyS> temp has leveled out to
[15:44] <NigeyS> always a good sign
[15:46] <fsphil-laptop> floating again
[15:46] <NigeyS> seems so, wonder how long for this time lol
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[15:48] <NigeyS> and climbing again.. make ya mind up silly balloons!
[15:49] <jonsowman> lol that checksum
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[15:49] <jonsowman> *BAAD
[15:49] <NigeyS> lmao
[15:49] <NigeyS> just about sums up picochu-5 !
[15:50] <jonsowman> it's doing pretty well!
[15:50] <NigeyS> baad a55 !
[15:50] <jonsowman> just want it to go up another couple of km so i can hear it from cam :D
[15:50] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[15:50] <NigeyS> tbh wasnt expecting it to stay up this long, what with the balloons being inflated more than usual
[15:50] <NigeyS> hi kev
[15:51] <NigeyS> jonsowman, i dont mind it rising a bit more, as long as it does it sloooooooowly so it doesnt burst ! :D
[15:51] <jonsowman> haha yes
[15:51] <NigeyS> warming up nicely too
[15:52] <NigeyS> guessing its out of all the storm clouds etc
[15:52] <LazyLeopard> Found some sunlight. ;)
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[15:52] <NigeyS> its gone a bit brighter here to, been weird weather today
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[15:54] <jdtanner> Afternoon all...
[15:54] <jonsowman> afternoon
[15:54] <jdtanner> Picos looking good
[15:55] <NigeyS> hey jdtanner , yup looking ok so far, fingers crossed for a float :D
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[15:56] <jdtanner> How long do these things normally stay up for, if they float?
[15:56] <jonsowman> until sunset probably
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[15:57] <jdtanner> wow, great :)
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[15:58] <jonsowman> assuming one of the balloons doesn't burst or something
[15:59] <NigeyS> yeah like turn into a rocket engine.....
[15:59] <jdtanner> What type of altitude do they burst normally? I'm assuming it is foil?
[15:59] <jonsowman> NigeyS: lol
[15:59] <NigeyS> hard to say, weve seen bursts at les than 1k, and over 7k
[16:00] <NigeyS> less*
[16:00] <jonsowman> they do whatever they feel like
[16:00] <NigeyS> totally agree
[16:00] <jdtanner> haha&fair enough :)
[16:00] <jonsowman> can see it on the waterfall here in cam but no way it's decoding
[16:00] <priyesh> :)
[16:00] <priyesh> maybe in 20 minutes or so :P
[16:01] <jdtanner> Just sorry that I can;t help with the track&but we are probably too far away anyway
[16:02] <Rob_M0DTS> i have qrm from some weird carriers making odd tunes on 434.651, definately not data but deliberate?
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[16:05] <fsphil> Bristol International Airport
[16:06] Action: LazyLeopard hadn't zoomed in that close...
[16:07] <NigeyS> losing it here :(
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[16:07] Nick change: LazyLeopard -> LazyL-M0LEP
[16:07] <fsphil-laptop> Bristol was a nice spot, the bits I seen anyway
[16:08] <LazyL-M0LEP> NigeyS: That's off. Still clear enough here, much further away...
[16:08] <LazyL-M0LEP> odd, even...
[16:08] <fsphil-laptop> you're likely higher up LazyL-M0LEP
[16:08] <NigeyS> im only on whip indoors
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[16:09] <LazyL-M0LEP> Ah.
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[16:09] <fsphil-laptop> next time I'm there, we're putting that colinear up :p
[16:09] <LazyL-M0LEP> ;)
[16:10] <jonsowman> $$Piahu
[16:10] <jonsowman> :D
[16:10] <NigeyS> hah im gonna get it put up out of that server money! :D
[16:11] <NigeyS> yey jon you got a bit...
[16:11] <jonsowman> lol
[16:11] <NigeyS> ive picked it back up now, shifted radio a bit
[16:11] <fsphil-laptop> NigeyS, you might actually get better reception with it even indoors
[16:12] <NigeyS> hmm theres a thought
[16:12] <LazyL-M0LEP> About 100 metres ASL here, yeah.
[16:14] <GW8RAK> Just got back and the signal strength is up a lot
[16:14] <Dan-K2VOL> greetings all
[16:14] <fsphil-laptop> got pretty high up
[16:14] <GW8RAK> Decode!
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[16:14] <Lunar_Lander> back
[16:14] <fsphil-laptop> evening Sir.Dan-K2VOL
[16:14] <Lunar_Lander> hello Dan-K2VOL
[16:14] <fsphil-laptop> well no airports for a while now at least
[16:15] <Dan-K2VOL> come on in for the Mission control sim training if you can phil and kevin, this will be the last daytime one before the launch attempt next friday
[16:15] <Dan-K2VOL> might do one tomorrow if that is better for you guys
[16:16] <fsphil-laptop> afraid I'd just get in the way a bit, still no mic
[16:16] <Bob_G8NSV> got it at last!
[16:16] <Upu> Need to give the wife some attention tonight sorry Dan-K2VOL
[16:17] <GW8RAK> Lucky Upu
[16:17] <Dan-K2VOL> that's ok, I do hope you guys are brave on the flight
[16:17] <Lunar_Lander> oh hi GW8RAK
[16:17] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL, I could come in for a bit if you can give me the TS3 server once more please?
[16:17] <Dan-K2VOL> ts.kg4ymg.com
[16:17] <Dan-K2VOL> thanks lunar
[16:18] <GW8RAK> Hi Lunar_Lander
[16:18] <Dan-K2VOL> I don't want the ATC communications to be intimidating
[16:18] <Bob_G8NSV> I will have to have a play with radiomobile again and do a proper plot of my radio horizon rounf here
[16:18] <Lunar_Lander> how do you mean Dan-K2VOL
[16:18] <Dan-K2VOL> and I'm afraid if people don't train beforehand I"m going to have to stay up for 72 hours helping everyong
[16:18] <Dan-K2VOL> there's a lot of work to do for ATC communications that we haven't done in simulation yet
[16:19] <Dan-K2VOL> you saw most of it Kevin
[16:19] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[16:19] <Lunar_Lander> cause I mean
[16:19] <Lunar_Lander> we can't call them just for simulation or so?
[16:20] <Dan-K2VOL> there are very few people on the mission control team - we could really use some more help
[16:20] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[16:20] <Dan-K2VOL> it's quite fun when you practice it and get comfortable
[16:23] <Lunar_Lander> um
[16:23] <Dan-K2VOL> if I have to do all the ATC stuff, the streaming video and audio of the flights will really suffer or fail to work, as there's also no one who has volunteered to keep that going
[16:23] <Lunar_Lander> "Hostname ts.kg4ymg.com cannot be resolved"
[16:23] <Lunar_Lander> and this is again on TS3
[16:23] <Dan-K2VOL> http://wiki.whitestarballoon.com/doku.php?id=missionoperations:remoteoperatorsintro
[16:23] <GW8RAK> Gone very weak now NigeyS
[16:23] <NigeyS> boo :(
[16:23] <Lunar_Lander> not TS2 like on the first try
[16:23] <NigeyS> -0.5 to :(
[16:23] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL,
[16:24] <Lunar_Lander> ah!
[16:24] <jonsowman> $$RicoChu
[16:24] <GW8RAK> Went from solid decodes to rubbish in about 3 packets
[16:24] <NigeyS> jonsowman, identity crisis ;)
[16:24] <jonsowman> haha
[16:24] <NigeyS> GW8RAK, may have a hill in the way, its gone fairly weak here to :/
[16:25] <Dan-K2VOL> The simulation will just have actors as the ATC personnel, not the real aTC
[16:25] <Dan-K2VOL> so it's not too much pressure for practice
[16:26] <Bob_G8NSV> been going up and down here if theres a lot of big clouds about with heavy rain that will affect the propogation badly and attenuate the signals
[16:26] <GW8RAK> Very weak now
[16:26] <GW8RAK> Could be that Bob_G8NSV
[16:27] <GW8RAK> Coming back up a bit
[16:27] <Bob_G8NSV> decode here now
[16:27] <jonsowman> $$PicoChum5
[16:28] <jonsowman> awww :)
[16:28] <priyesh> lol
[16:28] <Bob_G8NSV> picoclu-5
[16:29] <NigeyS> lol oh my
[16:29] <GW8RAK> Let's hope no one comes up witha payload name which when corrupted is highly offensive :)
[16:29] <NigeyS> haha thatd be rather funny
[16:29] <jonsowman> $$SHARP decoded as something pretty bad once
[16:29] <priyesh> still strong here
[16:30] <NigeyS> getting stronger here again, and descent rate slowing down a bit
[16:30] <NigeyS> need another thunder cloud to hoover it up a bit more
[16:31] <Bob_G8NSV> they can push it down just as easily!
[16:31] <GW8RAK> Right, got to get ready to go out. Hope it's a record floater NigeyS
[16:31] <GW8RAK> ttfn
[16:31] <NigeyS> ttyl graham, tnx for tracking :D
[16:31] <NigeyS> Bob_G8NSV, thats upset me now lol
[16:32] <Bob_G8NSV> big fade now
[16:34] <Bob_G8NSV> back again
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[16:35] <Bob_G8NSV> wind keepls blowing my yagi of target!
[16:35] <NigeyS> pesky wind!
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[16:38] <Morseman> Did I miss it?
[16:38] <NigeyS> nope, still up :)
[16:39] <Morseman> What feq please?
[16:39] <Morseman> Can't find it near 650
[16:39] <jonsowman> 434.65200 USB
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[16:40] <NigeyS> omg it appears to be floating...again......
[16:40] <jdtanner> (Slightly off topic: those of you who use a TK102 as backup&I'm about to head out in the car to test out the tracker at orange.gps-trace.com & http://orange.gps-trace.com/locator/index.html?u=jdtanner&zoom=13 & just in case you also want to use it)
[16:40] <jonsowman> i'll be watching
[16:40] <NigeyS> now ascending..wth...lol
[16:40] <jonsowman> (doesn't sound creepy at all)
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[16:42] <NigeyS> its climbing again just so you can get a proper decode jonsowman lol
[16:43] <jonsowman> haha
[16:43] <jonsowman> very considerate of it
[16:43] <Bob_G8NSV> must be cloud updraft/downdraft?
[16:43] <NigeyS> lol
[16:43] <Morseman> Oooo... a signal - very faint though
[16:43] <NigeyS> i reckon so bob, its been up n down like a dam yoyo
[16:43] <Bob_G8NSV> interesting flight
[16:44] <NigeyS> and back to descending.. lol what are you doing picochu!
[16:45] <Bob_G8NSV> got to sort out a little arduino stepper driver. got a couple of nice stepper - gearbox assemblies that would be great for an az/el in the roofspace for small yagis
[16:45] <NigeyS> oo that sounds a neat idea
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[16:46] <Bob_G8NSV> great little units very rugged and a real high gear ratio so loads of torque
[16:46] <Bob_G8NSV> not waterproof tho so indoor only sadly
[16:46] <NigeyS> ahh dam :(
[16:47] <Bob_G8NSV> will get something like a 7ele yagi for 434 in the roof easily though
[16:47] <Bob_G8NSV> maybe a tad longer possibly 9
[16:48] <NigeyS> 10 ! :p
[16:48] <Bob_G8NSV> may whack the roof!
[16:48] <NigeyS> lol
[16:48] <NigeyS> meh think its gone pop :(
[16:49] <priyesh> it's coming downnnn
[16:49] <Bob_G8NSV> not neccessarily could just be downdraft or a heavy shower??
[16:49] <priyesh> yeah
[16:49] <priyesh> probably not popped
[16:49] <NigeyS> whatever it is its made the temp go down 6 degrees
[16:49] <priyesh> interesting
[16:49] <Bob_G8NSV> sounds different too
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[16:50] <Bob_G8NSV> hail shower??
[16:50] <NigeyS> wouldnt be surprised
[16:50] <priyesh> what's the weather forecast for Bath
[16:50] <Morseman> Too weak to decode here ATM
[16:50] <NigeyS> looking it up now priyesh
[16:50] <priyesh> http://grab.by/ddrI
[16:50] <priyesh> NigeyS: ^
[16:50] <cuddykid> nothing on the radar
[16:50] <priyesh> Heavy rain showers
[16:50] <NigeyS> oh nice
[16:50] <cuddykid> http://uk.weather.com/mapRoom/mapRoom?lat=53.81&lon=-5&lev=5&from=home&type=eurorad&title=Radar
[16:51] <NigeyS> lets get hit by a bolt of lightning that'd top off this launch nicely lol
[16:52] <Upu> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=e13b1c31b4e9b1d4bf8e27caa1c08b9de0a3ff01
[16:52] <NigeyS> ah north of salisbury again
[16:52] <cuddykid> nearish where mine landed earlier in week
[16:53] <cuddykid> it's a bitch around there with all the hills - nice spot though
[16:54] <NigeyS> yeah its a bit on the hilly side down that way, almost as bad as being in the brecon beacons
[16:54] <LazyL-M0LEP> Much fainter here at the moment too.
[16:54] <cuddykid> quite a few trees aswell :P
[16:54] <NigeyS> lol
[16:54] <jonsowman> still no decode here, it's barely a degree above the horizon though
[16:55] <NigeyS> ouch jon
[16:55] <daveake> Strong signal here, unsurprisingly :)
[16:55] <priyesh> jonsowman: with alpha did the trackotron get it 1deg above or below horizon?
[16:55] <jonsowman> priyesh: below
[16:55] <priyesh> :D
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[16:55] <jonsowman> <3 trackotron
[16:55] <priyesh> is it waterproof?
[16:55] <NigeyS> daveake, u could probably touch it from where you are lol
[16:55] <jonsowman> priyesh: i think so
[16:56] <priyesh> excellent
[16:56] <jonsowman> it was designed to be, i think
[16:56] <priyesh> you shoudl totally have it mounted permanently :p
[16:56] <daveake> 67km according to dl-fldigi
[16:56] <jonsowman> priyesh: hmm perhaps
[16:56] <daveake> cuddykid's landed much closer than that :)
[16:57] <jonsowman> we're going to look into a permanent cusf tracking station after exams
[16:57] <priyesh> :)
[16:57] <Lunar_Lander> singing: hello daveake I am happy that you're here, that is so great like quantum mechanics, the base of all that is here
[16:57] <jonsowman> probably an ft817 and a collinear
[16:57] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[16:57] <priyesh> yeah
[16:57] <daveake> LL wtf?
[16:57] <priyesh> same as astra
[16:57] <jonsowman> we'll have to get it on a mast, cambridge is basically underwater
[16:58] <jonsowman> whereas people like Upu are already 300 above MSL
[16:58] <jonsowman> >.>
[16:58] <daveake> :)
[16:58] <Dan-K2VOL> White Star mission control streaming live now: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/highball-1#utm_campaign=unknown&utm_source=5889641&utm_medium=social
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[16:59] <Dan-K2VOL> view the screens of mission control at http://join.me/whitestar
[17:01] <jdtanner> (back from the TK102 mission)
[17:04] <Bob_G8NSV> only a bit above sea level here, thats why I gave up on VHF/UHF home QTH operation years ago. HF works!!
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[17:09] <jdtanner> (TK102 GPRS test with real time tracking worked well)
[17:09] <jonsowman> :)
[17:10] <jdtanner> I'm very impressed with that website...
[17:13] <NigeyS> picochu needs a blanket, only 3 degrees :o
[17:17] <Bob_G8NSV> warming up a bit
[17:18] <NigeyS> yups, shame its still dropping though :(
[17:18] <Bob_G8NSV> its not slowing at all
[17:18] <NigeyS> no, id say the little balloon probably burst by now
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[17:20] <LazyL-M0LEP> Fading here now
[17:21] <Bob_G8NSV> getting weak here
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[17:21] <NigeyS> just starting to drop out a bit more here :/
[17:23] <Bob_G8NSV> dont think I'lldecode any more
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[17:26] <NigeyS> eek getting red lines here now :(
[17:27] <LazyL-M0LEP> Got a few green ones, then junk again...
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[17:29] <fsphil> ooh going down
[17:30] <NigeyS> yups, been e funny little journey though
[17:30] <jonsowman> is this going to be another "daveake goes and gets it"?
[17:30] <NigeyS> lol
[17:31] <Bob_G8NSV> looks like its landing in the army ranges
[17:31] <NigeyS> uhoh
[17:31] <Bob_G8NSV> dont think you can get on those
[17:32] <NigeyS> not without getting shot by something ....
[17:32] <Lunar_Lander> xD daveake did you enjoy the song :P?
[17:32] <Bob_G8NSV> bl**dy great tanks up there at that
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[17:34] <daveake> jonsowman: Depends if nigeys wants is back or not :)
[17:34] <daveake> it
[17:34] <Bob_G8NSV> there are a few farms round there as well
[17:34] <daveake> LL I guess it lost something in translation
[17:35] <NigeyS> if you fancy a drive, id love picochu back, but dont go out of ure way to recover it, getting it back is just a bonus.
[17:35] <daveake> Let's see where it lands first :)
[17:36] <NigeyS> anywhere where theres a tree, ,or a tank shell knowing my luck :p
[17:36] <Dan-K2VOL> Misison control simulation underway: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/highball-1#utm_campaign=unknown&utm_source=5889641&utm_medium=social
[17:37] <Dan-K2VOL> live screencast here: http://join.me/whitestar
[17:37] <Dan-K2VOL> for White Star's long duration balloon flight
[17:38] <cuddykid> the chase limo might roll into action again :P
[17:39] <NigeyS> no more decodes here :(
[17:39] <daveake> ah yeah, remind me to rename that :D
[17:39] <jonsowman> astra will have it down to the ground basically
[17:39] <NigeyS> astra is awsome
[17:39] <jonsowman> well, it's well placed
[17:39] <jonsowman> many other people have much better antenna setups etc
[17:40] <NigeyS> true
[17:41] <jdtanner> Anyone going after it? :)
[17:41] <cuddykid> looks to land on the range
[17:41] <cuddykid> only the tanks will be going after it then :P
[17:41] <cuddykid> chase tank
[17:42] <NigeyS> haha shouldve put a sticker on it or something, "Please Dont Shoot Me"
[17:42] <jdtanner> haha&INCOMING
[17:42] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[17:42] <NigeyS> not a bad flight mind, for an overinflated 36" and 18"
[17:42] <g0mjw> What is it landing there for? Nowhere near me...
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[17:43] <NigeyS> awww
[17:43] <cuddykid> I guess it was that final ascent from ~4500s to ~5300s that popped one of them
[17:43] <Laurenceb_> oops
[17:43] <Laurenceb_> military base
[17:43] <NigeyS> yups cuddykid
[17:44] <NigeyS> laurenceb_ just a small 1 ... :p
[17:44] <jdtanner> pls say the balloons were printed with a st georges cross :)
[17:44] <cuddykid> looks like it's going to be right in the center :P
[17:44] <daveake> Well it's lost half it's altitude since it entered the area, and it's half way across ....
[17:45] <Bob_G8NSV> ho[pe picochu has his flak jacket
[17:45] <NigeyS> oops flakk jacket was to heavy :/
[17:45] <NigeyS> jdtanner, welsh drago.. :)
[17:45] <NigeyS> dragon*
[17:46] <daveake> We'll know it's been shot if the checksum is *DEAD
[17:46] <NigeyS> lmao
[17:46] <jdtanner> can we have are balloon back mister?
[17:46] <cuddykid> on the radio& "err, what do we have here descending through the clouds, open fire!" "roger that, firing now"
[17:46] <jdtanner> (crossing fingers for an updraft to netheravon)
[17:46] <daveake> Well if it lands outside I#'m happy to go; if it's inside them I'm off for *FOOD
[17:47] <NigeyS> lol
[17:47] <daveake> lost it here
[17:47] <NigeyS> poor picochu is now the armys toy :(
[17:47] <daveake> $$PicoChu-5,992,17:45:53,51.2484,-1.8875,411,11,6,11*E699
[17:47] <daveake> $$PicoChu-5,993,17:46:07,51.2483,
[17:47] <Matt_soton> i might be able to see it on the waterfall but certainly no decode
[17:48] <Bob_G8NSV> another couple of miles he'd have made it to the fields
[17:48] <cuddykid> I don't think it'll be landing outside of the base
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[17:48] <NigeyS> nah its definately inside the base, oh well, rest in peace little fella :(
[17:48] <cuddykid> I guess it's fairly likely to be recovered though landing there
[17:48] <NigeyS> thank you all for tracking again :D
[17:49] <Bob_G8NSV> no probs sorry hes lost in action
[17:49] <Matt_soton> last altitude 380m here
[17:49] <NigeyS> he went out fighting!
[17:49] <jdtanner> Roswell & Rendlesham all rolled into one ;)
[17:49] <NigeyS> lol jdtanner
[17:49] <NigeyS> 380m .. thats not bad matt
[17:49] <daveake> 411 here
[17:49] <daveake> Lost on the following sentence just before the alt
[17:50] <NigeyS> bout 700ish when i lost it, which is dam good for my whip!
[17:50] <NigeyS> very similar max altitude to picochu-4
[17:51] <jdtanner> nice flight&well done! :)
[17:51] <daveake> Also got a partial at (possibly) 369 - $$XicoCxt-5,994l17:4x:1,51,28,­4,369,116,11ªE64$
[17:51] <g0mjw> Anyone going to Kempton Park tomorrow?
[17:51] <jonsowman> g0mjw: oh, what's on?
[17:51] <g0mjw> Rally John
[17:52] <NigeyS> tnx jdtanner
[17:52] <jonsowman> ah ok
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[17:52] <NigeyS> daveake, 369.. looks about right, awsome stuff, tnx !
[17:52] <Matt_soton> last iboChx-5993,1·:4;07,¥!.2,83,-1.8850,380,1
[17:53] <jonsowman> brilliant
[17:53] <jonsowman> :P
[17:53] <NigeyS> :D tnx Matt!
[17:53] <g0mjw> Must get a beam back - if it were on 23/13cms I could have tracked it.
[17:53] <Matt_soton> and this was the 411 packet PicoChu-5,992,17:45:3,5;.84,-1.8875,011,11,6,11*E699
[17:53] <NigeyS> wonder if theyll go pick it up or just run it over with a tank :|
[17:54] <fsphil> hehe, you landed in MOD land?
[17:54] <g0mjw> They might wonder what it is and blow it up!
[17:54] <NigeyS> smack bang in the middle of the range lol
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[17:54] <jdtanner> ground is 90m above sea level when it was lost
[17:54] <NigeyS> g0mjw, least picochu goes out in style if they do lol
[17:54] <Laurenceb_> http://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=51.234622,-1.802444&spn=0.053419,0.169086&t=h&z=13&layer=c&cbll=51.23455,-1.8025&panoid=-_mBt-cZqTUuCtUUSpHUOQ&cbp=12,268.45,,0,11.28
[17:54] <g0mjw> I wonder if I can hear it... Freq
[17:55] <NigeyS> lol laurenceb "shells and mortar fire"
[17:55] <NigeyS> g0mjw, 434.651.7 ish
[17:55] <jdtanner> anyone fancy a short walk? ;)
[17:55] <Laurenceb_> BOOM
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[17:56] <NigeyS> flying ied!!!! boom....
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[17:56] <Bob_G8NSV_> back, me puter crashed. think the graphics card needs re-seating
[17:56] <jdtanner> a short walk over a large area
[17:56] Nick change: Bob_G8NSV_ -> Bob_G8NSV
[17:57] <NigeyS> wb Bob
[17:57] <g0mjw> Why is nomachine not working! Grump. Right Exceed.
[17:58] <g0mjw> How do you make fl-digi run in HAB mode under linux?
[17:58] <g0mjw> I have forgotten!
[17:58] <fsphil> ./dl-fldigi --hab
[17:59] <daveake> Details of where you can and can't go - http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/63EFCE20-1035-41D6-B6C6-CBDED007B17D/0/SalisburyPlain.pdf
[18:00] <g0mjw> unrecognised option. Must have not installed the hab version...
[18:01] <fsphil> definitely dl-fldigi?
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[18:02] <g0mjw> No. I am just installing it.
[18:02] <fsphil> ah
[18:03] <fsphil> are you installing a binary or building from source?
[18:03] <g0mjw> Source fsphil - and I am not doing it here but near Andover
[18:06] <g0mjw> Yikes - it used the entire window width on both monitors.
[18:07] <jonsowman> lol, it does that
[18:07] <g0mjw> Oh dear - pulse audio
[18:14] <g0mjw> So - defeated by pulse audio....
[18:15] <fsphil> how so?
[18:15] <fsphil> it works fine with pulse
[18:16] <fsphil> just make sure portaudio libs are installed and used
[18:16] <Bob_G8NSV> off to spend some time with the mrs!! seee you all later
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[18:20] <g0mjw> Right - tuned the radio, rotated the beam. Now how to discover the audio....
[18:22] <fsphil> in the audio config bit select portaudio, and leave the selection on default
[18:22] <fsphil> and in your audio config make sure the right interface is slected
[18:22] <fsphil> selected
[18:23] <g0mjw> I would if portaudio wasn't greyed out.
[18:23] <fsphil> you may not have the portaudio libraries installed
[18:23] <g0mjw> Problem is it wants to use my local sound input. Not the one on te machine it is running on
[18:23] <fsphil> ah
[18:24] <fsphil> that doesn't happen with vnc :)
[18:24] <g0mjw> Which is why I like to use no-machine. But it is not authenticating... Also VNC...
[18:25] <g0mjw> I can at least see there is nothing on the s-meter!
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[18:35] <gonzo___> ah, been busy today. Missed the flight
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[18:36] <NigeyS> :o shocking gonzo___ :p
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[18:41] <Lunar_Lander> ah elmar isn't here right?
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[18:43] Nick change: gonzo___ -> gonzo_
[18:43] <gonzo_> yep, busy, but playing chainsaws
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[18:48] <Dan-K2VOL> hibby
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[18:50] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] PicoChu-5 Launch Announcement"
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[18:52] <jonsowman> the final picture in F6AGV's blog post is brilliant
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[18:53] <g0mjw> Time to give up - if only fldigi could look at local sound cards
[18:54] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[18:54] <fsphil-laptop> "Come to SALISBURY PLAIN, you might accidentally get killed"
[18:54] <pjm> g0mjw hello mike, i didnt realise u were in here!
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[18:55] <fsphil-laptop> likely something nx is doing
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[18:55] <fsphil-laptop> I've used dl-fldigi remotely many times
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[18:55] <g0mjw> I am not Paul.... Just giving up - the problem is most probably exceed related.
[18:57] <jdtanner> can you not enable vnc via exceed?
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[18:59] <g0mjw> No - I tried that. It seems the trial period has expired. But it is running nx and that just refuses to authenticate. It worked fine for months.
[18:59] <g0mjw> This is one of the reasons Linux is not for the mainstream. It breaks far too easily
[18:59] <jdtanner> &how about an open source vnc? :)
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop, is that an insider :P?
[18:59] <jdtanner> (agreed)
[18:59] <g0mjw> Not my machine...
[19:00] <jdtanner> bugger&can you install chrome on it then use the remote functionality in browser
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[19:00] <jdtanner> (rather convoluted)
[19:01] <g0mjw> Probably can't hear the payload anyway.... no best to give up.
[19:02] <jdtanner> good try anyway :)
[19:02] <jdtanner> probably on the wrong side of the fence...
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[19:03] <Dan-K2VOL> we're in live long duration balloon mission simulation http://www.ustream.tv/channel/highball-1#utm_campaign=unknown&utm_source=5889641&utm_medium=social
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[19:13] <jdtanner> Did anyone ever grab the One Show HAB slot?
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[19:17] <Upu> HAHAHA
[19:17] <Upu> great place to land NigeyS
[19:17] <Upu> Love F6AGV has this picture : http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xwa1vdbqVHI/T5L_Hkb5HtI/AAAAAAAAFyM/PkN2yWrcwfM/s400/BALLON_PICOCHU-5_210412_sign.JPG
[19:17] <Upu> with "Sailsbury Plain" under it
[19:19] <jdtanner> :)
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[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, is that thing an insider?
[19:27] <Upu> what thing ?
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> the sailsbury plain
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> as fsphil-laptop said earlier
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> "Come to SALISBURY PLAIN, you might accidentally get killed"
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> ah now I see it!
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[19:28] <Upu> no its a live military firing range :)
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> ohhhhh!
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander> with big guns and so on?
[19:31] <Upu> yup
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> what could explode?
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> like when a shell doesn't go off on impact?
[19:31] <Upu> yep
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> ohh
[19:36] <fsphil> you wouldn't wanna walk your dog there
[19:36] <fsphil> love the setup in lvl3
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[19:44] <NigeyS> upu there's nothing wrong in landing in a big open space.. lol
[19:45] <Upu> I just prefer my open spaces with fewer tank :)
[19:45] <Upu> tanks
[19:45] <Upu> afk
[19:45] <NigeyS> lol the tanks didnt worry me, it was the craters that almost made me weep!
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[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> wb daveake
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[20:36] <Upu> Still listening Dan-K2VOL but can't talk on microphone as wife in bed
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:43] <Upu> that was me Dan-K2VOL just checking the app works
[20:43] <Upu> this is the new app seems to work ok
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[20:43] <Upu> Lunar can you relay that to Dan pls
[20:43] <Upu> not sure he's reading this thx
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[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> thanks from him
[20:44] <Upu> and apologise I can't speak on the microphone at this time :)
[20:44] <Upu> I can hear him :)
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> can you hear me too?
[20:48] <Upu> yes Kevin
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[20:48] <Upu> you sound very professional
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[20:55] <natrium42> i want to hear Lunar_Lander too :(
[20:55] <daveake> XD
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> natrium42, do you have teamspeak3?
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:55] <natrium42> nope
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[20:55] <natrium42> only teamviewer
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> hm wait
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> maybe I can be heard on ustream
[20:56] <natrium42> :D
[20:56] <Upu> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/highball-1#utm_campaign=unknown&utm_source=5889641&utm_medium=social
[20:56] <Upu> -----/\
[20:57] <natrium42> i can see Dan-K2VOL
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[20:58] <Upu> Helium Temp C ?
[20:58] <natrium42> The arena is empty except for one man,
[20:58] <natrium42> Still driving and striving as fast as he can
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> xD!
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> THE BALLOON IS AS HOT AS THE SUN!
[20:59] <natrium42> He's going the distance.
[21:00] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[21:00] <natrium42> He's going for speed.
[21:00] <Upu> Question to FD , if we "monitor" closly would we at that point increase the telemetry rate ?
[21:00] <Upu> Lunar_Lander
[21:00] <Upu> can you relay that Kevin thx
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:01] <Upu> thx
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> you're welcome
[21:03] <Upu> also not seeing that Lunar_Lander
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[21:03] <Upu> in the spread sheet
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:03] <Upu> I put my name in the one I'm looking at
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> can see it
[21:04] <Lunar_Lander> he is there too I think
[21:04] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[21:04] <Lunar_Lander> THE BALLOON IS AS HOT AS THE SUN!
[21:04] <Upu> I suspect that value is subject to some error margin Lunar_Lander :)
[21:04] <Upu> Confirm Dan-K2VOL can see amendment
[21:05] <natrium42> did you guys see that somebody in cali is going to launch a ballon to monitor the meteor shower tonight?
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[21:05] <Upu> got a link to that natrium42 ?
[21:05] <natrium42> one sex
[21:05] <Upu> take 2
[21:05] <Upu> sexys ?
[21:06] <natrium42> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47127556/ns/technology_and_science-space
[21:06] <natrium42> lol
[21:07] <natrium42> they want to photograph the shower from ISS and from the ground simultaneously
[21:07] <natrium42> and then there is the student launched balloon with a nasa instrument
[21:07] <jdtanner> Now, that is something I would like to do...
[21:08] <jdtanner> finally put my training into use!
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL!
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> I had the very same error once
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> "One sex please"
[21:09] <natrium42> error?
[21:09] <jdtanner> One thing I've thought about is using a balloon mounted camera to monitor light pollution
[21:09] <natrium42> ;)
[21:09] <Bob_G8NSV> evenin all
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> yeah hit X instead of C
[21:09] <natrium42> hi bob
[21:10] <Bob_G8NSV> most places you can see the light polution oin your back garden:(
[21:11] <Bob_G8NSV> only good news is later this summer our council are turning lights in residential areas off after midnight!!
[21:11] <natrium42> sweet
[21:12] <Bob_G8NSV> its a start, they did put new llights in all round here a few years ago, white and most of it goes in a sharp downwards pattern
[21:12] <jdtanner> Full cut-off are really quite good.
[21:12] <Bob_G8NSV> its not till you get out of town you look up and realise what you cant see
[21:12] <jdtanner> (full disclosure&this is part of my job)
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> LED may eventually help lots
[21:13] <jdtanner> Actually, LED can be just as ad&if not worse
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> - in that it's fairly easy to do ones with lots of LEDs, most of which can be switched off.
[21:14] <Bob_G8NSV> yes as well as energy saving they have a sharply defined beam
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> Admtitedly - if not designed for that, it's not going to help at all
[21:14] <jdtanner> a light pointing up is still a light pointing up
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> Indeed
[21:14] <jdtanner> Also, for astronomers
[21:14] <jdtanner> LED = continuum generally
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> Pretty much.
[21:14] <jdtanner> Sodium - emission lines
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> You could do laser streetlights.
[21:14] <jdtanner> so can be filtered
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> But they would be rather expensive :)
[21:14] <jdtanner> I have lasered them in the past
[21:14] <jdtanner> they turn off :)
[21:15] <SpeedEvil> I mean RGB laser, whihc in principle can be filtered.
[21:15] <jdtanner> Personally I'd turn them all off and issue a torch to every house
[21:15] <jdtanner> :P
[21:15] <Bob_G8NSV> I cant wait for them to turn the ruddy things off
[21:16] <jdtanner> So, it sounds like I might have a few people to help on a night launch with downfacing cameras? ;)
[21:16] <Bob_G8NSV> they are leaving them on on main rds, tnearest to here about 150m but that does at least have the new half decent pattern ones
[21:17] <Bob_G8NSV> so I should see a few more stars from the garden
[21:17] <jdtanner> Bob, are you in Derbyshire?
[21:17] <Bob_G8NSV> no Christchurch Dorset
[21:17] <jdtanner> glad to hear they are at it as well :)
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[21:18] <Bob_G8NSV> I think their main idea is saving cash but there will be other benifits
[21:19] <Bob_G8NSV> local astronomers must be lwell pleased, might have to dust my telescope off
[21:19] <jdtanner> Yeah, that is basically it&turning them off benefits my project, saves money, and energy
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[21:19] <jdtanner> Just need to work on convincing joe public that it really won't make any difference to their safety
[21:20] <Bob_G8NSV> there have been a few moaners here
[21:20] <jdtanner> &most of the time this is between midnight and 5h30
[21:20] <jdtanner> Well, my part of my job is trying to convince people by presenting the facts
[21:20] <jdtanner> :)
[21:20] <Bob_G8NSV> yeah something like that here
[21:21] <Bob_G8NSV> cars have headlights and if you cant see that well you shouldnt be driving
[21:22] <jdtanner> Most people seem to think that when the lights go out, rapists suddenly pop into existence&not helped by scare stories poorly reported on by the tabloids
[21:22] <Bob_G8NSV> tabloids have a lot to answer for
[21:22] <jdtanner> yeah&agreed!
[21:23] <jdtanner> Starting to sound like two grumpy old men
[21:23] <jdtanner> :)
[21:23] <Bob_G8NSV> yes!!
[21:23] <jdtanner> :)
[21:24] <Bob_G8NSV> as a kid the thing I used to love about camping holidays in the country was looking up and seeing millions of stars. come home and you could only see ahandful
[21:26] <Bob_G8NSV> been lucky enough to spend short periods of time living in places with no streetlights and that was fantastic
[21:26] <jdtanner> We've just managed to get a local site designated as a Dark Sky Discovery site so that people from Sheffield can pop out to the Peaks to see a dark sky&incidentally it is the location that some people from Shefflied Uni have launched their balloons
[21:26] <jdtanner> I'm very lucky to live in one of the darkest places in the country
[21:26] <Bob_G8NSV> the new forest is not far from here and skies there are fantastic
[21:27] <jdtanner> The problem is the horizon light pollution caused by the surrounding towns/cites&terrible :/
[21:28] <jdtanner> New Forest&National Parks FTW!
[21:28] <jdtanner> :)
[21:28] <russss> incidentally they're installing LED street lights in London now
[21:28] <russss> I have seen some
[21:29] <jdtanner> Yeah, they are cheap and quite easy to install&just need to also make sure they don't illuminate above the horizontal
[21:29] <Bob_G8NSV> yea the reflection up from the ground is horrendous big cities glow on the horizon. about the only place I have been where that was just about gone was the mohave desert, mind you there was a faint glow from LA around 80 miles away
[21:30] <Bob_G8NSV> the oners round here are discharge lamps but brilliant white not the horrid orange things
[21:30] <Bob_G8NSV> we are putting led ones in all the car parks at work
[21:31] <jdtanner> I just despair sometimes&it seems to be the acceptable form of pollution that nobody recognises
[21:32] <SpeedEvil> :/
[21:32] Nick change: LazyL-M0LEP -> LazyLeopard
[21:32] <SpeedEvil> I'm in fairly dark skies.
[21:32] <Bob_G8NSV> you are right there, its so wasteful.
[21:32] <jdtanner> Ah well&I keep trying! :)
[21:32] <jdtanner> Where are you SpeedEvil?
[21:32] <SpeedEvil> I can walk 100m or so, and be able to see the milky way easily.
[21:32] <Laurenceb_> jdtanner: someone called Steve Rose?
[21:32] <Laurenceb_> from Sheffield?
[21:32] <SpeedEvil> Fife, Scotland, near Glenrothes
[21:32] Action: LazyLeopard wonders whether the fancy illumination on Crystal Palace has been switched off yet...
[21:32] <Bob_G8NSV> i think the cost will drive it in the end, it will just become unacceptable to pay for them to stay on all night
[21:33] <jdtanner> Laurenceb_: the sheffield uni chaps?
[21:33] <Laurenceb_> yes
[21:33] <SpeedEvil> Motion activation would pay off rapidly
[21:33] <SpeedEvil> And LED lamps could be easily run at a few percent of nominal output
[21:33] <jdtanner> Yes, this might be a problem that sorts itself out with energy costs.
[21:33] <SpeedEvil> till required
[21:33] <Laurenceb_> jdtanner: one of the guys is the son of my dentist
[21:34] <jdtanner> Cool.
[21:34] <Laurenceb_> i found this out whilst he was drilling holes in my teeth
[21:34] <Laurenceb_> so not so cool
[21:34] <jdtanner> haha&sorry to hear that :)
[21:34] <Bob_G8NSV> I wondered about that, you could do it with led no warm up time. discharge lamps wont relight till they cool down either. led is the way!
[21:34] <jdtanner> It is Surprise View
[21:34] <jdtanner> There is a whole motion activated section in London
[21:35] <Bob_G8NSV> cars or pedestrians?
[21:35] <jdtanner> Pedestrians
[21:35] <jdtanner> Can't rememebr where though
[21:35] <Bob_G8NSV> neat idea, walking down the rd in your own little pool of light, like having ET following you!!
[21:37] <Laurenceb_> soon when they have RFID ID cars they will bill you for the electricity
[21:37] <Laurenceb_> *cards
[21:37] <jdtanner> yeah, it would be like the light thingy in harry potter&I'm embarassed to admit i know that
[21:38] <jdtanner> :)
[21:38] <Bob_G8NSV> hi gonzo
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[21:39] <gonzo_> eve
[21:39] <Bob_G8NSV> gonzo_how is the testing goig?
[21:39] <gonzo_> it ran nicely till the abtts went flat
[21:40] <gonzo_> though they were cheepo maplin bulk buy specials
[21:40] <Bob_G8NSV> decent run time?
[21:40] <gonzo_> have some energiser lithiums in my pocket for the real flight
[21:40] <gonzo_> we are looking at 200mA from 2xAAA
[21:40] <Upu> ping eroomde
[21:41] <gonzo_> so I recon 6-8hrs
[21:42] <Bob_G8NSV> not too bad the specs reckon my payload should draw about 100-1120 ish
[21:42] <Bob_G8NSV> 120 ish
[21:42] <gonzo_> I have the option of using 3xAAA if req, which should give some extra hrs
[21:42] <Bob_G8NSV> im going for 3
[21:42] <gonzo_> I should really go to 3v3 for the processor suppky
[21:42] <gonzo_> that would save me some mA
[21:43] <gonzo_> as there are linear regs in the NTX2 and gps
[21:43] <Bob_G8NSV> that would be great but im running a 5v duino for the cpu
[21:43] <gonzo_> I'm on 5V for the pic too
[21:43] <Bob_G8NSV> the 3v ones are 8 mhz
[21:43] <gonzo_> so fast!
[21:44] <gonzo_> I'm clocking at 4meg, which is more than enough
[21:44] <Bob_G8NSV> the pro mini comes in 3.6 or 5v version , low voltage + lower speed the 5v one is 16mhz
[21:45] <Bob_G8NSV> I prob could get away with the 8mhz one
[21:45] <Bob_G8NSV> it would save loads of agro
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[21:50] <Bob_G8NSV> but these 5v ones are £5.60 each with free shipping from china
[21:50] <Bob_G8NSV> and weigh 3g
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[21:54] <Bob_G8NSV> the gps, radio and cpu weigh 9g in total
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Saturneclipse.jpg
[21:55] <gonzo_> makes my unit look heavyweight in comparison!
[21:55] <Bob_G8NSV> nice picture
[21:55] <Bob_G8NSV> thats minus the gps antenna
[21:57] <Bob_G8NSV> thats just the bare boards no interconnect wiring and there will be some tiny psu boards to give a 5v and 3.6v supply
[21:59] <Bob_G8NSV> the antennas will add a bit and then the bats
[22:00] <Bob_G8NSV> may go with a homebrew qfh for both gps and telemetry
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[22:04] <jdtanner> Bob_G8NSV: Was that an Arduino 5V for £5.60?
[22:05] <Bob_G8NSV> yes here http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270921982348?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
[22:05] <Bob_G8NSV> took a couple of weeks looks pretty well made
[22:05] <Bob_G8NSV> not ran it up yet doing development with the nano 3v
[22:06] <jonsowman> Bob_G8NSV: have you tried running it at 3v3?
[22:06] <Bob_G8NSV> no ios it likely to work that low?
[22:06] <jdtanner> Makes what I bought look expensive :) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220924291039?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[22:06] <jonsowman> it's technically out of spec Bob_G8NSV
[22:07] <jonsowman> but i've been running them at 16MHz @ 3V3 for a long time
[22:07] <jonsowman> and lots of chips, 168s and 328s
[22:07] <Bob_G8NSV> could get unpredictable even if it did run
[22:07] <jonsowman> they've all worked fine
[22:07] <jonsowman> including on a HAB flight
[22:07] <Bob_G8NSV> that would make my life easy i will try that
[22:08] <jonsowman> Bob_G8NSV: http://www.cusf.co.uk/2012/03/joey-m-hardware-complete/
[22:08] <jonsowman> this is a 328 running at 16MHz @ 3V3
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[22:11] <Bob_G8NSV> very nice little board. mine wont look so neat! not many interconnects so going to "rats nest" it with lightweight ribbon cable between the boards to keep the weight down and wrap everything in thin pe packing foam to insulate boards fro each other and the elements
[22:12] <Bob_G8NSV> assembly with my bench magnifier and a small iron!
[22:12] <jonsowman> hehe
[22:12] <jonsowman> i reflowed Joey
[22:12] <Bob_G8NSV> eyesight not so good these days too many years staring at pcbs!!!
[22:13] <jonsowman> anyway i think your arduino should be fine at 3V3
[22:13] <jonsowman> the only thing different is Joey has a crystal and yours has a resonator
[22:13] <jonsowman> but i don't think that should affect anything
[22:13] <Bob_G8NSV> thanks for that jon it will save me a lot of agro, just the one bosst regulator 1.5 up to 3.3
[22:14] <jonsowman> yeah, will make your life a lot easier :)
[22:14] <jonsowman> save power too
[22:14] <Bob_G8NSV> indeed that cant be bad especially as it may stay up for getting on for 12 hours
[22:14] <jonsowman> yep
[22:14] <jonsowman> :)
[22:16] <Bob_G8NSV> dpends on lots of factors the envelope will give 90g lift per cubic meter for a 20c temp difference and that includes the allowance for a 20micron envelope
[22:16] <Bob_G8NSV> an envelope that fits the pico 2m rule is around 3m2
[22:17] <Bob_G8NSV> it drops at altitude of course so will end up floating
[22:17] <jonsowman> yeah, they do seem to
[22:17] <Bob_G8NSV> lighter payload higher float same as helium of course
[22:18] <jonsowman> though NigeyS's flight today was pretty unusual
[22:18] <Bob_G8NSV> must have been updraft early in flight
[22:18] <jonsowman> yeah
[22:18] <jonsowman> the altitude graph is crazy
[22:18] <Bob_G8NSV> wonder if the rapid rise stressed the envelope?
[22:18] <NigeyS> weirdest pico flight ive seen yet
[22:19] <NigeyS> almost certainly bob, the 18" was about 85% full with he as it was, wouldnt have taken much to stress it.
[22:20] <Bob_G8NSV> did you see the prog on discovery about the paraglider in australia who was sucked into a cunim up to some incredible height?
[22:20] <NigeyS> no? :o
[22:20] <Laurenceb_> wtf @ eagle 6.1
[22:20] <Laurenceb_> i cant get traces to route
[22:20] <jonsowman> :\
[22:20] <NigeyS> helpful...
[22:20] <Laurenceb_> they always get yellow crosses
[22:20] <Laurenceb_> at the ends
[22:21] <jonsowman> interesting
[22:21] <jonsowman> mine's not done that
[22:21] <Bob_G8NSV> a german girl, they dont know how she survived passed out and froze which probably saved her
[22:21] <Laurenceb_> seems to be rounding errors
[22:21] <Bob_G8NSV> something like 40-50k ft
[22:22] <Bob_G8NSV> it was in her gps track log
[22:22] <Bob_G8NSV> her ascent rate was incredible
[22:24] <NigeyS> crazyness!!
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[22:25] <Bob_G8NSV> here we are it was only 10km but still crazy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_suck
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[22:31] <gonzo_> just opened a bottle of ale from Skinners brewery. Called Ginger Tosser !
[22:32] <gonzo_> they do go out of their way to give their beers silly names. Great!
[22:33] <Bob_G8NSV> ha ha!
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[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> thanks Dan-K2VOL !
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[22:45] <Bob_G8NSV> does anyone know if astra is still go for tom?
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[22:50] <Bob_G8NSV> night allsee ya tom
[22:51] <jdtanner> night
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[22:54] <Dan-K2VOL> thank you Lunar_Lander!
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[23:05] <Elwell> http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/dead-luck-ewas-flight-of-fury/2007/02/16/1171405421626.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap2 makes an OK read (bloody lucky tho)
[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> you're welcome
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> jonsowman, what did bob mean with that german woman who froze?
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> ah the paragliding thing
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[23:38] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Great mission control sim all! Getting kinks worked out of hardware and procedures. Still need more mission controllers #UKHAS #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/193846126334582784]
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