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[06:46] <jcoxon> morning
[06:49] <number10> morning
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[07:13] <fsphil> silly mornings
[07:14] <jcoxon> indeed
[07:16] <fsphil> ah, turns out you can't load a 2Gb file into memory without killing linux
[07:16] <Darkside> derp
[07:17] <Darkside> also: http://i.imgur.com/hwnbQ.jpg
[07:17] <zyp> you can't?
[07:17] <zyp> I strongly suspect you're just being dumb about it
[07:18] <fsphil> there we go, killed it
[07:19] <fsphil> Darkside, why so many? :)
[07:19] <Darkside> why not?
[07:20] <Darkside> (they're getting distribtued around the elec eng department here
[07:20] <fsphil> ah, makes sense
[07:20] <fsphil> thought maybe there was some plan to link them all
[07:20] <Darkside> nah
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[08:46] <fsphil> well, a swap file on a network share wasn't a good idea either
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[08:59] <Randomskk> fsphil: haha
[08:59] <Randomskk> what you need is a server with like 64GB of RAM or something
[08:59] <Randomskk> why are you loading so much data at once?
[09:03] <fsphil> your program loads the csv file wgrib2 creates, it's bloody big :)
[09:04] <jonsowman> :|
[09:04] <fsphil> (I was only kidding about the swap over lan thing :)
[09:04] <Randomskk> haha
[09:04] <jonsowman> we did warn you about the dragons
[09:04] <fsphil> aye. I'll giggle it so it won't load it in one go
[09:05] <fsphil> there are grib2 C libraries, I might see if I can have the predictor read directly from them
[09:06] <Randomskk> good luck :|
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[09:20] <SpeedEvil> I've swapped to wifi.
[09:20] <SpeedEvil> And it was faster than local
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[09:37] <fsphil> that's not a good sign
[09:39] <SpeedEvil> Well - for some pathalogical workloads - where you're not doing linear reads/writes of >50K or so, - it's always going to be faster.
[09:56] <fsphil> the 3g speeds at my house are pretty good
[09:56] <fsphil> I could use up my 500mb/month in about 3 minutes :)
[09:57] <fsphil> well maybe not 3 minutes, but pretty quickly all the same
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[10:07] <priyesh> Hi all
[10:07] <priyesh> apex iii has been found!
[10:07] <priyesh> more info when i get home
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[10:13] <cuddykid> priyesh, was that the one that dumped in the sea?
[10:13] <priyesh> yeah
[10:15] Action: x-f hopes for sunset pics.
[10:16] <griffonbot> @apexhab: Apex III L1 had been found! More details to follow. #apexhab #ukhas [http://twitter.com/apexhab/status/192919483181039616]
[10:16] <Upu> oph hello
[10:17] <Upu> This one : http://i.imgur.com/8hOan.jpg ?
[10:17] <priyesh> bbl -
[10:17] <Upu> Had a GoPro in it as well
[10:17] <priyesh> yes
[10:17] <priyesh> http://imgur.com/H0QB0
[10:17] <priyesh> http://imgur.com/gvofb
[10:17] <fsphil> whoa
[10:17] <priyesh> more photos + details when i get home
[10:17] <Upu> yikes
[10:17] <priyesh> but enjoy the photos
[10:17] <Upu> looks err well used :)
[10:17] <priyesh> :P
[10:17] <fsphil> I didn't expect you to see that one again
[10:17] <andrew_apex> the condition looks ok to me - not too corroded
[10:17] <andrew_apex> although the lid (including gopro) has fallen off
[10:18] <Upu> GoPro ?
[10:18] <Upu> ah
[10:18] <fsphil> so no gopro?
[10:18] <UpuWork> actually looks in pretty good condition considering 2 months
[10:19] <UpuWork> wonder if the SD Card is ok in that camera - I await more information priyesh :)
[10:19] <andrew_apex> I think we can get data off :D
[10:20] <UpuWork> I should go find Hadie this weekend
[10:21] <fsphil> there's a free (slightly used) uart camera in it for you :)
[10:21] <UpuWork> lol
[10:22] <fsphil> if I can figure out the grib2 stuff I can hopefully get a better prediction
[10:23] <fsphil> solar would have been handy, it could still have been beeping away on the radio
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[10:34] <SamSilver> the info card "harmless ..... .....ment" did well.
[10:44] <andrew_apex> I'm amazed how well that did
[10:45] <andrew_apex> although the phone numbers washed out (we forgot to print them)
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[10:49] <SamSilver> how was this done? http://imgur.com/gallery/SLRMX any ideas?
[10:50] <russss> a lot of patience
[10:51] <russss> I think I saw his explanation on how he did it somewhere
[10:51] <russss> I don't think it used a fisheye lens
[10:51] <russss> it's a normal panorama, with each frame taken quite far apart, which has been polar projected
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[10:53] <russss> there's actually a bit more to it than that, because it shows the sun in several different positions, so that frame must have been taken several times and blended
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[10:58] <kokey> perhaps it's just a 360 rotation setup, taken hourly, and blended
[10:58] <kokey> very nice tho
[10:58] <kokey> that said, the night time shots look more than hourly
[10:59] <russss> the night shot will be multiple blended shots
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[11:03] <kokey> guy at work here's surname is banker
[11:03] <kokey> a bit unfortunate since I work for a bank
[11:03] <fsphil> we've a guy here who's surname is Toner. Sadly he doesn't repair printers
[11:05] <SamSilver> my surname is McCash
[11:07] <kokey> as long as your parents didn't name you Richard
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[11:22] <kokey> ok, ordered a songle with an E4000 tuner
[11:23] <kokey> dongle
[11:29] <fsphil> worth getting one? I've resisted so far - already got the funcube dongle
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[11:30] <navrac_work> I was thinking of getting one - with a decent mast head preamp it should be pretty good
[11:30] <navrac_work> and now there aredll's for hdsr etc its quite an attractive idea
[11:30] <navrac_work> but like you ive already got a funcube
[11:39] <griffonbot> @b3noxley: RT @apexhab: Apex III L1 had been found! More details to follow. #apexhab #ukhas http://t.co/23WzUTYw [http://twitter.com/b3noxley/status/192940454164180992]
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[11:59] <kokey> fsphil: well, I got a lifeview rtl2832 with an fc0012 tuner
[11:59] <kokey> fsphil: and spent many hours trying to get something but white noise out of it
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[12:03] <kokey> fsphil: last night I decided to use my girlfriend's netbook, installed the windows software on it that comes with it and... turns out it can't pick up any tv channels either
[12:03] <kokey> so, it's looking like i have a faulty tuner in mine
[12:04] <kokey> so I've ordered something else, with an E4000 tuner, but it's £34
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[12:25] <griffonbot> @danielsaul: RT @b3noxley: RT @apexhab: Apex III L1 had been found! More details to follow. #apexhab #ukhas http://t.co/23WzUTYw [http://twitter.com/danielsaul/status/192952053046329344]
[12:25] <Laurenceb> anyone here use openoffice for spreadsheets?
[12:26] <Laurenceb> im trying to force something to print over two pages
[12:26] <Laurenceb> rather than compress everything onto one, so tis completely unreadable
[12:27] <kokey> Apex III L1 was a simulation?
[12:27] <kokey> ;-)
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[12:52] <griffonbot> Received email: Benjamin Oxley "[UKHAS] ASTRA Altitude Controller Launch Sunday the 22nd of April"
[12:55] <UpuWork> grr 300 baud
[13:02] <number10> well you get one 50 baud packet
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[13:09] <navrac_work> 300 baud is fine for me - but mainly as its pretty close to here so I probably wont need to put the mast up!
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[15:56] <griffonbot> Received email: Priyesh Patel "[UKHAS] Apex III L1 Recovered"
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[15:57] <griffonbot> @apexhab: Details about Apex III L1's unexpected recovery are available here: https://t.co/bld9G4HY (photos included too!) #apexhab #ukhas [http://twitter.com/apexhab/status/193005271101087744]
[15:57] <griffonbot> @danielsaul: RT @apexhab: Details about Apex III L1's unexpected recovery are available here: https://t.co/bld9G4HY (photos included too!) #apexhab # ... [http://twitter.com/danielsaul/status/193005492077998080]
[15:59] <eroomde> my smps for a gps breakout board has an inductor that is the same physical size as the ublox max 6
[15:59] <eroomde> curse you fundamental physics
[16:02] <eroomde> send that dog walker a bottle of fizz :)
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[16:13] <kokey> has anyone sent up any 2.4ghz wireless gear?
[16:14] <griffonbot> Received email: John Underwood "Re: [UKHAS] Apex III L1 Recovered"
[16:17] <r2x0t> kokey: 2.4GHz would be interesting, I only remember some project that used it for ATV live video downlink
[16:17] <r2x0t> maybe it was 1.2GHz
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[16:18] <kokey> heh, perhaps use a linksys router as a flight computer
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[16:18] <r2x0t> problem is these are quite power hungry
[16:19] <r2x0t> 802.11 cards can consume 1A or more when txing
[16:19] <kokey> it would be interesting to have floaters as wifi bridges in the sky but I'm sure power would be painful
[16:19] <kokey> I guess perhaps something closer to 3G might be a better idea
[16:20] <r2x0t> I would rather go with routerboard, there are some nice and you can choose miniPCI you use
[16:20] <mfa298> kokey: there was some discussion of 2.4Ghz a couple of weeks ago but I think the consensus was that the free space losses could be quite high
[16:20] <r2x0t> depends on what you want to use it for... WIFI can do HDTV video streaming
[16:21] <r2x0t> 2.2GHz band is most used space to ground band, so it's not that bad idea... you can always use big dish on receiving site
[16:21] <r2x0t> would need some protocol that just broadcasts packets, with no ACKs needed
[16:22] <kokey> we've managed to do over 23km connections on old orinoco cards back in 1999, 10mbit 802.11 set down to 2mbit
[16:22] <kokey> ok, there was a cheaky amplifier on one end
[16:22] <r2x0t> hehe
[16:22] <mfa298> 802.11[bgn] probably wouldn't work though as I think that will need comms both ways to associate
[16:22] <r2x0t> you can just use raw mode to send packets
[16:22] <r2x0t> then use raw sniffing mode on other end
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[16:23] <r2x0t> really use it just as a modem, no associating and higher level stuff
[16:23] <kokey> I'm thinking for bidirectional comms, e.g. to enable it as a floating access point
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[16:24] <r2x0t> that should work as well, just users will need big antennas
[16:24] <mfa298> and of course with big antennas on the ground you should be turning the power down.
[16:24] <kokey> very well aimed pringle cans
[16:25] <mfa298> (and if you're into serious gains you want to for safety)
[16:25] <r2x0t> http://www.moonblinkwifi.com/pd-ubiquiti-picostation-24-ghz-wireless-80211-ap-developement-platform---picostation.cfm
[16:27] <mfa298> I think: 100mW + around 40dB and you've got a very fine beam at microwave oven power (800W)
[16:27] <r2x0t> you really don't need all that power
[16:28] <kokey> how big a balloon to lift a microwave oven?
[16:28] <kokey> I think it was a 15db booster we put on the 802.11
[16:29] <kokey> and it was using 15 degree grid antennas aimed very roughly
[16:29] <r2x0t> for LEO satellite at ~500km with 1Mbit downlink with typical link budget with 1W into omni, you need about 2m dish
[16:29] <r2x0t> ^ on 2.2Ghz
[16:30] <r2x0t> so it can't be that hard to link to a baloon mere 30km high with some consumer equipment...
[16:30] <kokey> I guess nice motorised dishes aren't that cheap
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> r2x0t: you forgot the other part.
[16:30] <mfa298> but for license free the power limits are much lower.
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> r2x0t: What is the receive antenna on the sat?
[16:30] <r2x0t> omni again
[16:30] <r2x0t> commands go 2.1GHz usually
[16:31] <r2x0t> with ~100W ground power tho :)
[16:31] <kokey> r2x0t: that picostation looks quite good
[16:31] <r2x0t> but that's mostly for reliability
[16:31] <andrew_apex> And because they can
[16:32] <r2x0t> picostation is very nice
[16:32] <r2x0t> runs linux, you can run your sw on it easily
[16:32] <r2x0t> even add things to web UI etc.
[16:32] <kokey> no one will notice if you do 100W at 2.4GHz
[16:33] <kokey> it's not like anyone uses that band or anything
[16:33] <r2x0t> band is so full of crap, no one will notice
[16:33] <r2x0t> but
[16:33] <kokey> set the SSID to 'The Cloud'
[16:33] <r2x0t> these atheros cards can be used in HAM band
[16:34] <r2x0t> just unlock it using SW
[16:34] <r2x0t> with proper licence, you can uplink with 100W no problem
[16:34] <r2x0t> there are HAM links between nodes running using wifi
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> not legally airborne
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> you can only use licence free
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> not HAM.
[16:35] <mfa298> and HAM license says nothing can be encrypted or coded.
[16:35] <r2x0t> so don't use any encryption? that's all
[16:35] <r2x0t> and put callsign into SSID
[16:36] <r2x0t> also it's legal to use from ground to command baloon, just not other way
[16:36] <mfa298> and you probably can't take any traffic that's not detined for another amateur.
[16:36] <mfa298> s/detined/destined/
[16:36] <r2x0t> true
[16:36] <SpeedEvil> You can't use HAM airborne - at all.
[16:37] <SpeedEvil> (in the UK)
[16:37] <eroomde> it's not actually legal to use ham to transmit from the ground to the balloon
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[16:37] <eroomde> it's one of those things that's quite circumventable
[16:37] <gonzo_> thw balloon is just an SWL
[16:37] <r2x0t> but it's legal to tx to satellites..
[16:37] <eroomde> "the balloon just happened to pick it up guv"
[16:37] <r2x0t> balloons are just the grey area between
[16:38] <eroomde> yes but sattelites are calssified as ham equipment by almost every authority
[16:38] <mfa298> From looking at it a week or so ago I think ground to balloon is dubious. But the license isn't quite as restrictive as it used to be.
[16:38] <eroomde> they have s specific exemption
[16:38] <eroomde> i don't think anyone would do you for txing to a balloon. and franky a yagiu pointed up into the air on uhf isn't going to bother anyone
[16:38] <mfa298> and hams in other countries can be airborne and I don't think there's a problem with UK hams working airborne elsewhere.
[16:39] <eroomde> but in the legalese of the rsgb license, you can't do it
[16:39] <gonzo_> not the RSCB's licence!!!!!
[16:39] <mfa298> but the UK ham license explicity excludes the use airborn
[16:39] <gonzo_> ofcom
[16:39] <eroomde> ofcom
[16:39] <gonzo_> hehe
[16:39] <eroomde> you sound like you might have made that correction before
[16:40] <gonzo_> though it prob won't be long before th e rscb admin the licence
[16:40] <gonzo_> ofcom are not nterested
[16:40] <eroomde> no indeed
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[16:42] <gonzo_> though the couldn't make more of a mess than ofcom
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[17:22] <griffonbot> Received email: DutchMillbt . "[UKHAS] Re: Apex III L1 Recovered"
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[17:24] <Dutch-Mill> ping priyesh
[17:24] <priyesh> pong Dutch-Mill
[17:25] <Dutch-Mill> Hi I'saw that Apex 3 was found
[17:25] <priyesh> yeah :)
[17:25] <Dutch-Mill> Can pick it up for you if you want ?
[17:26] <priyesh> the original plan was to ask the gentleman to fedex it to us
[17:27] <priyesh> just wondering what'll be easier at the moment
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[17:28] <Dutch-Mill> If you arn't in a hurry ...a friend of my is a truckdriver and goes regularly to the UK...can ask him
[17:28] <Bob_G8NSV> hi all
[17:29] <Bob_G8NSV> I have found a new hate tinyGPS. why does it have no documentation?
[17:29] <Dutch-Mill> saves Euro's...and Punds ;-)
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[17:29] <Dutch-Mill> Pounds..
[17:30] <Bob_G8NSV> its driving me mad!!
[17:30] <priyesh> hmm... thanks for the offer
[17:30] <priyesh> i think the school are funding the fedex costs
[17:30] <Dutch-Mill> oke you'r welcome
[17:30] <priyesh> i'll let you know if that isn't the case
[17:31] <priyesh> thanks for the offer though!
[17:31] <priyesh> :)
[17:32] <Dutch-Mill> can bring the dog a cookie ;-) any way nice to have it back
[17:32] <priyesh> yeah
[17:32] <priyesh> we need to think of a nice reward now :P
[17:33] <Dutch-Mill> or a snif Helium...dog's like that ...
[17:34] <gonzo_> I have a new hate, just found a compiler bug
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[17:45] <fsphil-laptop> compiler bugs are nasty
[17:50] <number10> is that ccs c gonzo?
[17:50] <number10> gonzo_: ^^
[17:50] <griffonbot> @DutchMillbt: ASTRA1 Altitude Controller Launch #ukhas Sunday 22-4 14.00-16.00 UTC #hamradio 434.075 MHz SSB see: http://t.co/y97qD6J4 [http://twitter.com/DutchMillbt/status/193033918889459712]
[17:50] <gonzo_> hitex picc
[17:51] <gonzo_> I suspect I know how it was interpreting a pointer
[17:51] <number10> I remembered that you were doing PIC was not sure of compiler - CCS often has bugs
[17:52] <gonzo_> I checked with other eng's at work to make sure I was not being a prat
[17:52] <gonzo_> in the earlier days we went through loads of compilers to find the least buggy
[17:53] <gonzo_> when it came to my bits, I wrote in asm to keep it re;liable
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[18:03] <gonzo_> anyone able to calc the crc's for the ublox UBX messages?
[18:04] <Randomskk> it's not crc
[18:04] <Randomskk> fletcher-16
[18:04] <jonsowman> https://github.com/cuspaceflight/wombat/blob/master/misc/ubx_checksums/chk.c
[18:04] <Randomskk> https://github.com/adamgreig/wombat/blob/master/misc/ubx_checksums/chk.c
[18:04] <Randomskk> lol
[18:04] <gonzo_> rr, could not find a calc for that
[18:04] <jonsowman> 2 whole seconds
[18:04] <jonsowman> shocking
[18:04] <Randomskk> yea yea
[18:05] <gonzo_> hehe, actually looking for pre calced values to hard code in
[18:05] <Randomskk> https://github.com/adamgreig/wombat/blob/master/code/gps.c#L5-10
[18:06] <gonzo_> almost
[18:07] <gonzo_> loking for a CFG NAV5 poll
[18:07] <Randomskk> can't help you there :P
[18:07] <Randomskk> not hard to work out though
[18:07] <gonzo_> prob do it on a calc, with that little rputine
[18:08] <jonsowman> gonzo_: https://github.com/cuspaceflight/joey-m/blob/master/firmware/gps.c#L141
[18:09] <Randomskk> is that checking rather than setting?
[18:09] <jonsowman> well that's a poll for the message
[18:09] <jonsowman> which is what is required i think?
[18:10] <Randomskk> I think he wants to set the nav mode?
[18:10] <Randomskk> not sure
[18:10] <Randomskk> maybe not
[18:10] <Randomskk> 'poll' does imply otherwise :P
[18:10] <jonsowman> yea
[18:12] <gonzo_> I've sent the set command, but want to poll to see that it took it ok
[18:13] <gonzo_> just in debug with an rs232 sniffer. No plans to check in flight
[18:13] <gonzo_> as there would be nowt I could do about it then
[18:13] <gonzo_> (don't test for conditions you can't handle)
[18:13] <Randomskk> why not?
[18:13] <Randomskk> you could set it in flight
[18:13] <Randomskk> a lot of people do, actually
[18:13] <gonzo_> will set it at power up but will assume it took
[18:13] <Randomskk> in case the gps module resets or such
[18:14] <Randomskk> worth doing tbh
[18:14] <fsphil-laptop> I set it every 10 strings
[18:14] <Randomskk> I don't set or poll it at all
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[18:14] <Randomskk> on account of my ublox has an eeprom so stores its config
[18:14] <Randomskk> but I'd probably still write the code to read/set it eventually
[18:14] <Randomskk> (the current code is a bit hastily assembled)
[18:14] <Randomskk> (but works!)
[18:14] <gonzo_> my code is kept simple for reliability
[18:15] <gonzo_> swutching between decoding nmea and ubx is not simple in mine
[18:15] <gonzo_> the nmea validatio is done in the interrupt, byte at a time
[18:15] <fsphil-laptop> my interrupt handles both at the same time
[18:16] <fsphil-laptop> although I'll be doing ubx-only in future
[18:16] <fsphil-laptop> it's just so much easier
[18:16] <gonzo_> don't mind blurting out the set string periodically, good idea phil
[18:16] <gonzo_> was written for a different gps rx initially
[18:16] <number10> its a good idea to at leat check you get an ack
[18:17] <number10> least
[18:17] <Randomskk> I just use ubx, much easier
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[18:18] <gonzo_> will prob go ubx, but one step at a time
[18:18] <number10> more robust too Randomskk
[18:19] <gonzo_> not rewriting close to a flight (though most seem to be coding up till the palytload is attached)
[18:19] <Randomskk> "up to"?
[18:19] <fsphil-laptop> who'd do that ... :)
[18:19] <Randomskk> I'm already working on ensuring I can code post-launch
[18:19] <Randomskk> much more agile
[18:19] <Randomskk> can work out the code once it's in the air
[18:20] <gonzo_> hehe
[18:20] <fsphil-laptop> with the rfm22b anything is possible!
[18:20] <Randomskk> no point wasting time programming it beforehand frankly
[18:20] <gonzo_> needs a bloody ling rs232 cable!
[18:20] <fsphil-laptop> ota flashing should be possible
[18:20] <gonzo_> in the air!
[18:21] <Randomskk> yea, ota
[18:22] <Randomskk> long cable would be silly :P
[18:22] <fsphil-laptop> fibre optic, without the fibre
[18:22] <Randomskk> FSO
[18:22] <gonzo_> long cable wuld make retrieval so much easier
[18:23] <Randomskk> hahaha
[18:23] <Randomskk> yes
[18:23] <Randomskk> also telemetry
[18:23] <gonzo_> think of the number of trees you could get too
[18:23] <gonzo_> HAB pointa!
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[18:23] <gonzo_> s
[18:23] <fsphil-laptop> there are rules to the hab points :)
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[18:23] <fsphil-laptop> though at this point I'm making them up as I go along
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[18:24] <Randomskk> haha
[18:24] <number10> point systems should always be made up as you go along fsphil-laptop
[18:25] <number10> means that if you are loosing you can add new rules
[18:26] <fsphil-laptop> that's worth 50 points number10
[18:26] <number10> cheers :)
[18:26] <number10> have 50 yourself
[18:26] <fsphil-laptop> yes, sweet
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[18:45] <PD3EM> Good evening
[18:45] <fsphil-laptop> evnin' PD3EM
[18:46] <PD3EM> amazing the Apex III has been recovered
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[18:46] <fsphil-laptop> same here. I didn't expect that one to reappear at all
[18:47] <PD3EM> has been floating for a feek on the North Sea
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[18:48] <priyesh> hello
[18:48] <gonzo_> now that is worth HAB points!
[18:48] <priyesh> woo :D
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[18:48] <fsphil-laptop> 100 at least, for the dog walker :)
[18:48] <priyesh> yeah
[18:48] <fsphil-laptop> the dog gets 10
[18:48] <priyesh> Max (the dog) gets 500
[18:48] <PD3EM> great
[18:48] <fsphil-laptop> ok, 510
[18:48] <PD3EM> and a large bone!
[18:48] <priyesh> the dog found it afterall :P
[18:49] <andrew_apex> 100 what?
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[18:49] <fsphil-laptop> now there's a good recovery device. attach doggie treats
[18:49] <priyesh> HAB points
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[18:50] <andrew_apex> Haha
[18:50] <priyesh> Randomskk and myself will make a HAB Points system eventually
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[18:50] <priyesh> until then we can continue making them up
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[18:51] <priyesh> so it was lost 7 weeks and 1 day ago
[18:51] <priyesh> found on the 4th of April
[18:51] <priyesh> so that's 5 weeks after loss
[18:51] <fsphil-laptop> it seems longer
[18:51] <priyesh> we estimate that it drifted for 2.5 weeks
[18:51] <priyesh> so that's 2.5 weeks in the north sea and 2.5 weeks on the beach getting attacked by birds
[18:52] <SpeedEvil> Top points I guess would be recovered from lava.
[18:52] <priyesh> and then 2 weeks in Max's kennel
[18:52] <priyesh> SpeedEvil: agreed
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[18:52] <andrew_apex> I like max :)
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[18:52] <priyesh> i think all the gashes in the sides (as seen from the photos) could be done on the beach
[18:53] <priyesh> http://gallery.apexhab.org/index.php/Apex-III/Launch-1/Recovery-from-the-North-Sea/apex-iii-l1-recovery-4
[18:53] <priyesh> max :D
[18:53] <andrew_apex> By trees it something?
[18:53] <fsphil-laptop> it had a rough ride
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[18:54] <priyesh> http://gallery.apexhab.org/index.php/Apex-III/Launch-1/Launch/ApexIIILaunch1-2425
[18:54] <priyesh> the apex logo on the side has even come off
[18:54] <priyesh> although that isn't surprising considering the water...
[18:55] <andrew_apex> Yeah
[18:55] <fsphil-laptop> why so much wire?
[18:55] <priyesh> anyway - data recovery research begins
[18:55] <priyesh> fsphil-laptop: is this the green wire you're talking about?
[18:55] <priyesh> (coming out of the box)
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[18:55] <danielsaul> THat green wire and the thing it was attached to was evil
[18:56] <fsphil-laptop> oh, gps antenna
[18:56] <andrew_apex> Priyesh : the gps wire
[18:56] <priyesh> oh
[18:56] <priyesh> yeah
[18:56] <priyesh> GPS antenna
[18:56] <priyesh> (lassen iQ)
[18:56] <priyesh> danielsaul: indeed
[18:56] <andrew_apex> What was the green wire?
[18:56] <danielsaul> HF transmitter antenna
[18:56] <priyesh> Matt_soton's HF txer
[18:56] <andrew_apex> Ah
[18:57] <andrew_apex> Bad memories...
[18:57] <priyesh> yeah
[18:57] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[18:57] <priyesh> that was a rollercoaster ride and a half
[18:57] <fsphil-laptop> you didn't fly that dind't you?
[18:57] <priyesh> no
[18:57] <danielsaul> Nope
[18:57] <fsphil-laptop> I remember problems with the gps
[18:57] <priyesh> it killed the gps
[18:57] <danielsaul> that was what caused the late launch
[18:57] <priyesh> (along with thte damaged gps wire)
[18:57] <andrew_apex> Yeah
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[18:57] <danielsaul> I reckon the gps wire was fine until we ripped it out
[18:57] <priyesh> yeah
[18:57] <andrew_apex> Yup
[18:58] <priyesh> i agree
[18:58] <priyesh> anyway
[18:58] <priyesh> do you think jonsowman will take his hfl to sma wire back for a refund?
[18:58] <jonsowman> lol, no
[18:58] <andrew_apex> Shotgun not diving for the gopro!
[18:58] <danielsaul> why not?
[18:58] <jonsowman> it's all salty
[18:58] <priyesh> andrew_apex: too late, you got the short straw
[18:58] <andrew_apex> Jonsowman: lick it
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[18:59] <jonsowman> :\
[18:59] <jonsowman> no
[18:59] <andrew_apex> That'll stop it being salty.
[19:00] <priyesh> andrew_apex: you're looking for a small silver camera about the size of a door handle
[19:00] <danielsaul> Just realised - where is the radio antenna...
[19:00] <priyesh> it's somewhere in the north sea
[19:00] <andrew_apex> Yeah
[19:00] <priyesh> yeah...
[19:00] <danielsaul> How did that come off...
[19:00] <priyesh> i hope the core board is still in 1 piece :P
[19:00] <andrew_apex> Probably ripped off the sma
[19:00] <priyesh> yea
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[19:01] <priyesh> no
[19:01] <priyesh> SMA is still there
[19:01] <priyesh> http://grab.by/dbCY
[19:01] <andrew_apex> So snapped the coax???
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[19:01] <priyesh> not sure
[19:01] <priyesh> but the connector is still on the pcb
[19:02] <andrew_apex> :/
[19:02] <priyesh> it unscrewed itself?
[19:02] <andrew_apex> Looks like it...
[19:02] <danielsaul> If so, you clearly didnt screw it on very well
[19:02] <priyesh> just like the motor control wires unplugged themselves with no damage
[19:02] <andrew_apex> Yeah
[19:02] <priyesh> i tightened it a lot
[19:02] <danielsaul> Those I understand
[19:02] <danielsaul> THey were loose anyway
[19:02] <andrew_apex> Normally the wires snap
[19:02] <priyesh> yea
[19:02] <priyesh> we'll see next week i guess ;D
[19:03] <danielsaul> From when I was testing and tried to use croc clips on the headers, so bent back the plastic clip
[19:03] <andrew_apex> I wonder if someone beat Max to the payload
[19:03] <priyesh> i think some birds did
[19:03] <priyesh> danielsaul: oh :/
[19:03] <andrew_apex> :(
[19:03] <priyesh> the lid may have still been attached!
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[19:04] <danielsaul> I cant see someone walking off with the whole lid...
[19:04] <priyesh> lid has gopro
[19:04] <priyesh> so maybe
[19:04] <danielsaul> It would quite clearly have been in the water
[19:04] <priyesh> although they would've taken the whole thing
[19:04] <danielsaul> I highly doubt the gopro looked in good condition
[19:04] <andrew_apex> Danielsaul if detached, it would have washed away
[19:04] <danielsaul> andrew_apex: huh?
[19:04] <priyesh> what's gaffer tape like when wet?
[19:04] <priyesh> wet for 2 weeks
[19:05] <andrew_apex> Maybe they opened it to see if there was anything good in it, then left it
[19:05] <andrew_apex> And the lid floated away
[19:05] <danielsaul> oh
[19:05] <priyesh> :(
[19:05] <andrew_apex> Gaffer tape is find when wet - its used for patching boats
[19:05] <andrew_apex> *fine
[19:05] <danielsaul> then it should have washed up on another beach somewhere along there
[19:05] <danielsaul> Yeah
[19:05] <andrew_apex> Yeah
[19:06] <danielsaul> There was huge amounts of gaffer tape, all around the payload
[19:06] <danielsaul> Covering the sponsors logos for example
[19:06] <priyesh> anyone fancy walking around the area for us :P
[19:06] <priyesh> good point danielsaul
[19:06] <danielsaul> and covering our phone numbers on the other side, hence why we grabbed a marker pen at the last minute
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[19:06] <priyesh> i do think someone opened it
[19:06] <andrew_apex> I do too
[19:06] <jonsowman> it does seem likely
[19:06] <danielsaul> THe gopro was gaffer taped
[19:07] <danielsaul> in
[19:07] <danielsaul> You couldnt see it was a gopro unless you took it out
[19:07] <andrew_apex> To see if there was anything valuable inside
[19:07] <danielsaul> :(
[19:07] <andrew_apex> There wasn't, so they left it
[19:08] <priyesh> yeah
[19:08] <danielsaul> Batteries?
[19:08] <priyesh> and the balloon + parachute will have taken the lid away
[19:08] <priyesh> lol - they stole the batteries :P
[19:08] <priyesh> they probably drifted away too
[19:08] <andrew_apex> Nah, they just fell out
[19:08] <priyesh> although they are heavy
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[19:09] <andrew_apex> So they opened it, took everything apart, then left it all
[19:09] <andrew_apex> As there's nothing valuable in good condition inside
[19:09] <priyesh> yeah
[19:09] <priyesh> seems likely
[19:10] <priyesh> then balloon + parachute got washed away
[19:10] <priyesh> taking the lid with it
[19:10] <andrew_apex> Yup
[19:10] <danielsaul> They broke the side of the plastic when trying to check the camera in the side...
[19:10] <danielsaul> etc.
[19:10] <priyesh> that maybe how the corner is broken
[19:10] <danielsaul> Hmm
[19:10] <danielsaul> Evil person
[19:10] <danielsaul> Hate them
[19:11] <andrew_apex> The plastic is broken?
[19:11] <priyesh> the shelf system
[19:11] <priyesh> is missing a side
[19:11] <priyesh> it was one solid piece of plastic
[19:11] <priyesh> which is now missing one side :/
[19:11] <andrew_apex> Oh...
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[19:11] <priyesh> the person probably ripped the box open, hence the corner missing
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[19:11] <andrew_apex> Its been opened then
[19:11] <andrew_apex> Yeah
[19:11] <danielsaul> http://gallery.apexhab.org/index.php/Apex-III/Launch-1/Recovery-from-the-North-Sea/apex-iii-l1-recovery-3 - plastic on near side, bottom but not opposite side
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[19:11] <priyesh> it would have been very very hard to open with the amount of tape we had
[19:12] <andrew_apex> Yup
[19:12] <danielsaul> Why couldn't Max have found it earlier :(
[19:12] <priyesh> lolo
[19:12] <priyesh> *lol
[19:12] <priyesh> at least we're getting some of it back :P
[19:12] <priyesh> if the lid does drift somewhere else, i'm hoping the sheet with our phone numbers is with it
[19:12] <priyesh> *fingers crossed*
[19:13] <danielsaul> Doubt it
[19:13] <andrew_apex> Unlikely...
[19:13] <priyesh> yeah
[19:13] <danielsaul> The sheet will be seperate - probably pulled off with the gaffer tape
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[19:13] <danielsaul> Lucky the sponsor sheet didnt too
[19:13] <danielsaul> Or we wouldnt be getting this bit back
[19:13] <danielsaul> I still want to know what red stuff around the shutter button on the camera is
[19:14] <andrew_apex> Yeah!
[19:14] <priyesh> apexhab logo on pcbs?
[19:14] <andrew_apex> Rust
[19:14] <fsphil-laptop> you should mention to max's human about the lid and camera
[19:14] <andrew_apex> Yes
[19:14] <fsphil-laptop> he might yet find it
[19:14] <andrew_apex> That!
[19:14] <PD3EM> bbl
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[19:14] <andrew_apex> danielsaul: it's rust on the camera
[19:15] <danielsaul> yeah
[19:16] <danielsaul> priyesh: We need to send a pack of dog treats and some wine/beer/something :)
[19:16] <priyesh> ye
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[19:19] <gonzo_> what sort of beer do dogs drink?
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[19:25] <fsphil-laptop> carlsbark
[19:26] <priyesh> :/
[19:26] <fsphil-laptop> just don't mix it with red pitbull
[19:27] <fsphil-laptop> that's jut a bit too ruff
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[21:46] <porine> hello
[21:47] <porine> anybody here?
[21:47] <jonsowman> oh dear
[21:47] <jonsowman> oops, wrong window
[21:47] <jonsowman> hello though porine
[21:47] <Upu> evening porine
[21:48] <porine> ok so i want to figure out how to track a baloon cheaply
[21:48] <porine> something in the $50 price range
[21:49] <jonsowman> you're in the US?
[21:49] <porine> yup
[21:49] <jonsowman> APRS is commonly used over there
[21:49] <jonsowman> but i don't imagine you'll get the kit quite that cheaply
[21:49] <porine> im new to this so what is aprs
[21:50] <jonsowman> it uses the amateur radio bands (so you'll need a license)
[21:50] <jonsowman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Packet_Reporting_System
[21:50] <porine> mi.. i want to use something where i dont need to get a lixense
[21:51] <jonsowman> in which you must use ISM bands
[21:51] <jonsowman> which generally results in more expensive receive equipment
[21:51] <jonsowman> due to the lower power limits
[21:51] <porine> how old do u have to be to get a license
[21:52] <jonsowman> no restriction as far as I know
[21:52] <jonsowman> there isn't in the UK, i can't imagine there is in the US either
[21:52] <jonsowman> i'm unsure of exact regulations in the US, but there are quite a few people in here who live in the US who will know more
[21:52] <porine> how do you get it is it online?
[21:52] <jonsowman> porine: there are 3 levels, Foundation, Intermediate and Full, and they all involve a written exam and sometimes a practical
[21:53] <jonsowman> again it may be a bit different in the US
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[21:53] <porine> i will look it up one sec
[21:54] <mfa298> I think the US licensing has various levels which are probably examined. But if its similar to the UK system it's fairly easy to do the basic levels.
[21:54] <mfa298> Might be worth looking for the ARRL
[21:55] <mfa298> Although if you're only recieving you probably don't need a license. But transmitters either need to be covered by a license or in some sort of License Free band.
[21:56] <griffonbot> Received email: jdtanner "[UKHAS] Provisional Launch Announcement 28/04/2012"
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[21:57] <Lunar_Lander_> hello
[21:57] <jdtanner> hello
[21:57] <fsphil-laptop> ooh a launch
[21:58] <jonsowman> hi jdtanner
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[21:58] <jdtanner> Indeed!
[21:58] <jonsowman> this may be a long time in advance but remember to do a flight doc
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander_> I got something for you
[21:58] <Upu> its already done jonsowman
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander_> MSN Germany has a cartoon commentary on world news
[21:58] <jonsowman> Upu: oh ok
[21:58] <jonsowman> missed that
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander_> today's is here http://news.de.msn.com/panorama/bilder.aspx?cp-documentid=160072585&page=1
[21:58] <jonsowman> :)
[21:58] <Upu> thx to fsphil
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[21:59] <Lunar_Lander_> what do you think about the cartoon?
[21:59] <jonsowman> i shall be tracking from cam
[22:00] <porine> how do i track a balloon witithout alicense
[22:00] <jdtanner> Excellent...
[22:00] <fsphil-laptop> it's a fair bit closer to me than normal, so I'll definitely be tracking
[22:00] <jdtanner> We are high up already as well :)
[22:00] <jonsowman> porine: well it depends on the frequency and radio mode
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander_> does the link even work for you, as that is MSN Germany?
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[22:00] <jonsowman> for APRS, you need an FM radio and either a soundcard modem or a TNC
[22:01] <Upu> your the same height as I am jdtanner
[22:01] <Upu> got a 300 meter head start on the Cambridge launches :)
[22:01] <jonsowman> don't we know it
[22:01] <porine> i do t want all the high tech shit i just wanna see it up to 20000 feet
[22:01] <jdtanner> exactly :) it means we got to 300m without trying!
[22:01] <Upu> lol
[22:02] <fsphil-laptop> cheap launch... drive to mountain, throw payload into air
[22:02] <jonsowman> porine: there is a fixed complexity to tracking one of these things if you want to do it properly
[22:02] <jdtanner> I suppose I should try and convince david that 300m is enough..a lot cheaper :D
[22:02] <porine> are there any gpses that wirelessly transmit dataz
[22:02] <jonsowman> well no, not as such
[22:02] <SpeedEvil> porine: thousands
[22:03] <mfa298> porine: The license is effectivly a piece of paper saying you've passed an exam that allows you to use a radio transmitter.
[22:03] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=bluetooth+gps&_sacat=See-All-Categories
[22:03] <jonsowman> the issue is the radio link between the balloon and ground
[22:03] <mfa298> To actually track a balloon yourself you need some sort of suitable radio reciever and a way to decode the data (usually some free software)
[22:03] <porine> i. not a person who wants to stand in line so do i do itball from home
[22:04] <SpeedEvil> mfa298: Or a Spot
[22:04] <jonsowman> porine: what exactly are you trying to achieve?
[22:04] <porine> how much does a spot cost?
[22:04] <jonsowman> $100/year subscription plus $150 for the unit or something
[22:04] <mfa298> porine: Is this for tracking a balloon your want to launch or just tracking balloons in general ?
[22:05] <jdtanner> porine: I've found that it is really best to take advice from these guys&they've got 100s (?) of launches under their belts&and it is fun making all the kit :)
[22:05] <jonsowman> jdtanner: i think we guesstimated around 150 UKHAS launches to date :)
[22:05] <eroomde> wow
[22:05] <jdtanner> 151 soon&hopefully :P
[22:05] <fsphil-laptop> poor dave miller :)
[22:06] <porine> i just first wanna get somennice pics of near space and later test things too see what they do in the low temp.
[22:06] <Upu> deserves every launch
[22:06] <Upu> nn all
[22:06] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[22:06] <fsphil-laptop> nite
[22:06] <jonsowman> haha
[22:06] <jonsowman> porine: we generally advise some sort of radio telemetry link so that it can be tracked during flight
[22:06] <porine> so my budget is $150
[22:06] <jdtanner> porine: have a read of the wiki, then see if anyone lives near to you who might be able to help out&you might be surprised!
[22:07] <porine> all the people in my neighborhood are old or mean or both
[22:07] <jdtanner> porine: $150 might cover the Helium :/ & unless you can get it elsewhere
[22:07] <porine> i found a tank off
[22:07] <zyp> porine, old men can be nice too
[22:08] <zyp> s/men/people/
[22:08] <mfa298> porine: I think the methods sending tracking data from the balloon falls into one of three variations a) live telemetry (rtty/aprs), b) SPOT, c) SMS (mobile phone)
[22:08] <porine> tank ofhelium for $40 and a latexn balloon for 10;bucks
[22:08] <mfa298> each has pros/cons in terms of cost, ease of use and detail of tracking
[22:09] <jonsowman> jdtanner: the tk102 can get a bit confused by altitude, just fyi
[22:09] <porine> ok so can a samsung galaxy work for sms?
[22:09] <jdtanner> jonsowman: confused&how so?
[22:09] <jdtanner> (it is only beings used as a backup)
[22:09] <jonsowman> jdtanner: after being at altitude it can take up to an hour after landing before it will report a position
[22:10] <jonsowman> yes absolutely, it's fine as a backup
[22:10] <jonsowman> just so you know
[22:10] <mfa298> for the sms method it's potentially fairly easy but only works at low altitudes (<2km) and if your in an area with a signal.
[22:10] <jdtanner> cool.. :) it is a clone tk102 & damn ebay :P
[22:10] <porine> ok so how do u use sms?
[22:10] <jdtanner> back in a while
[22:10] <jdtanner> :)
[22:10] <SpeedEvil> And SMS may not work if unlucky
[22:10] <fsphil-laptop> my gopro flight will have a tk102 for backup
[22:10] <porine> it seems cheapest
[22:11] <porine> ok so how do u use it?
[22:11] <jonsowman> the problem with SMS is that if you land in an area without GSM coverage then you're stuffed
[22:11] <SpeedEvil> Signal actually on the ground is a _lot_ more patchy than when standing outdoors
[22:11] <jdtanner> fsphil-laptop: I'm glad to hear that&makes me think we are doing something tight :0
[22:11] <jdtanner> right :)
[22:11] <SpeedEvil> And you may only have 30s to gain a signal and get a SMS out.
[22:11] <jonsowman> jdtanner: oh we (cusf) use them too
[22:11] <jdtanner> cool!
[22:11] <jonsowman> i'm by no means saying don't use it
[22:11] <mfa298> for sms, cheapest is questionable, it's fairly easy but isn't a garentueed method.
[22:11] <fsphil-laptop> just don't rely on it :)
[22:11] <jdtanner> (phew)
[22:11] <jdtanner> &just a backup :)
[22:11] <jonsowman> yep
[22:12] <porine> i just wanna use it till i get more money
[22:12] <fsphil-laptop> there have been flights where the radio failed, and the sms saved it. but the opposite has also happened
[22:12] <mfa298> I think spots are possibly the most expensive, but should work in most instances and I'd guess are fairly easy.
[22:12] <fsphil-laptop> it landed and the sms device never worked, but it was radio tracked
[22:12] <SpeedEvil> mfa298: They have problems.
[22:12] <jonsowman> mfa298: except if it lands upside down or in a lake
[22:13] <porine> so how do i get my phone set up for sms
[22:13] <SpeedEvil> mfa298: Namely that they have very low report rates, and don't show altitude.
[22:13] <fsphil-laptop> what's a fair price for the tk102?
[22:13] <jonsowman> they are an excellent but expensive backup though
[22:13] <jonsowman> fsphil-laptop: i bought the cusf one on ebay for about £65 delivered
[22:13] <jonsowman> came with charger, two batteries, and a very pretty box
[22:13] <fsphil-laptop> there are some suspiciously cheaper ones, £35ish
[22:13] <jonsowman> i've a feeling those are the clones
[22:13] <mfa298> some sort of live telemetry has a relativly high startup cost (but most of that is the ground station), it requires more work to setup but should give data during the whole flight.
[22:13] <jonsowman> which i've never used
[22:14] <porine> still how do i get set up for sms?
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[22:14] <jonsowman> fsphil-laptop: link to one?
[22:14] <fsphil-laptop> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Realtime-GPS-GSM-GPRS-Tracker-TK102-/220967726145?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_GPSSystems_GPSSystems&hash=item3372b3ec41
[22:14] <jonsowman> thanks
[22:14] <mfa298> SpeedEvil / jonsowman: fair enough on the spots. Not something I have much experiance on.
[22:15] <jonsowman> fsphil-laptop: http://hexoc.com/u/tk102.pdf
[22:15] <Martin100> The TK102 I bought off ebay came in a very posh box, but when checked on the official website it was a fake!
[22:16] <fsphil-laptop> jonsowman, 404
[22:16] <Martin100> (checked by entering IMEI)
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> In principle, you could use a very cheap FM radio to see that the payload is transmitting, and rely on others to track it
[22:16] <jonsowman> fsphil-laptop: sorry, try now
[22:16] <mfa298> I wonder if there would be a benefit of having some sort of write up on the benefits and costs of the various methods that can be used for tracking.
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[22:17] <fsphil-laptop> ah thanks jonsowman
[22:18] <jonsowman> :)
[22:18] <jdtanner> ha&my tk102 looks exactly like it should be original&but is fae accrding to the imei
[22:18] <jdtanner> I'm wondering now
[22:18] <fsphil-laptop> doesn't help before I buy though :) I'll just have to check feedback
[22:18] <jonsowman> yeah
[22:19] <jonsowman> the clones might be fine, i don't know if there's anything actually wrong with them
[22:19] <Martin100> my box is identicla to the original, but the checker at http://www.xexun.com/ says it is a fake
[22:19] <jdtanner> might take some photos tomorrow
[22:19] <jdtanner> it works well though
[22:19] <jdtanner> for £40
[22:19] <jdtanner> brb
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[22:20] <Martin100> Apparently you can't upload a config to the fakes, the odd sized usb connector is power only
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[22:30] <jdtanner> We've been using http://gps-trace.com/ with the tk102 in GPRS mode
[22:30] <jdtanner> Works quite well
[22:31] <jonsowman> looks neat
[22:31] <jdtanner> It is really nice for a freebie.
[22:32] <jdtanner> The worst bit was configuring the tk102...but I've narrowed down the correct command sequence now.
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[22:33] <jonsowman> i must give that a go
[22:33] <jonsowman> though the last couple of times we've used it, phoning it, getting the coordinates and putting them into the satnav has worked very well
[22:34] <jdtanner> Yeah, probably safer as well :)
[22:34] <jonsowman> that web app looks very neat though
[22:35] <jonsowman> i might give it a go next time
[22:35] <jonsowman> if i remember
[22:39] <fsphil-laptop> best thing about my thinkpad is the built in LED at the top of the screen
[22:39] <fsphil-laptop> all laptops should have that
[22:41] <jonsowman> what's it for?
[22:41] <jdtanner> I'll see if I can find the logs from our tests of the tk102 and share them on that site
[22:41] <fsphil-laptop> its a little keyboard light
[22:41] <jdtanner> Right, night all :)
[22:41] <fsphil-laptop> nite jdtanner
[22:41] <fsphil-laptop> best do the same really
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[23:00] <tstowe> howdy all
[23:02] <tstowe> If anyone is interested, there is a HAB forum up and running now. There aren't a lot of members yet but all are welcome...
[23:02] <tstowe> It is at http://hab-ham.org/forum/
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[23:12] <eroomde> ok chaps cautionary tail
[23:12] <eroomde> i'm about to show you a photo
[23:13] <eroomde> of cusf's dan in 2006 just before he joined, and in 2011 having done 5 years of cusf
[23:13] <eroomde> he worked on the esa project
[23:13] <eroomde> this is what it'll do to you
[23:13] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/GrKlk.jpg
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander_> OHH
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander_> who is the woman?
[23:15] <eroomde> oh no it's the guy on the left that has become the guy on the right
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah I know
[23:16] <Lunar_Lander_> I just noticed the woman, his wife?
[23:17] <eroomde> gf
[23:19] <Zuph> Next thing you know, he'll be wearing horn-rimmed glasses and a thin black tie.
[23:20] <eroomde> and be called professor dan
[23:20] <eroomde> actually his surname is strange
[23:21] <eroomde> so he will be Dr STrange
[23:21] <eroomde> in about a year
[23:21] <Zuph> Perfect.
[23:21] <eroomde> and hopefully profressor Strange in 20
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[23:23] <Zuph> ah, academia
[23:25] <eroomde> run away!
[23:25] <eroomde> build rockets instead
[23:25] <eroomde> it's awesome
[23:25] <eroomde> you get to still be at work at 00:30
[23:25] <eroomde> like i am now
[23:25] <eroomde> trying to get a pcb done
[23:25] <NigeyS> go home! :p
[23:25] <Zuph> Oy, I've escaped for the moment. Definitely not building rockets right now, though :(
[23:26] <eroomde> i think i will soon
[23:26] <eroomde> i need to design a new library part
[23:26] <eroomde> which is enought to tip me over the edge for today
[23:27] <NigeyS> hehe
[23:27] <eroomde> someone's given me 24mm x 40mm to build a pcb that has to fire a bunch of pyros and have continuity checking for each and have a 3axis accel and a pressure sensor and some logging and lots of blinkenlights and pyro battery isolation and and and
[23:27] <eroomde> and there's really not much space on a 24mm x 40mm pcb, especially once you loose the corners to mounting holes
[23:28] <NigeyS> eek
[23:28] <Zuph> 6 layers and 01005 parts!
[23:28] <NigeyS> 0402's !
[23:28] <NigeyS> lols brad
[23:28] <eroomde> 2 and 0805
[23:28] <NigeyS> :o
[23:28] <eroomde> s'all i got
[23:28] <eroomde> it's ok i think
[23:29] <eroomde> can just squeeze everything in
[23:29] <Morseman> eroomde put in a quantity of magnesium powder and a fuse and blame the propellant for igniting it...
[23:29] <NigeyS> doomed......
[23:29] <eroomde> but not at my best to do it now
[23:29] <eroomde> Morseman: bingo
[23:29] <eroomde> right i hereby give up for today
[23:29] <eroomde> ttyl
[23:29] <eroomde> time to drive home
[23:29] <NigeyS> nn Ed
[23:30] <Morseman> NN eroomde
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[23:47] <schofieldau> ping Darkside
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