highaltitude.log.20120416

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[05:44] <Upu> ping Darkside
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[05:52] <cuddykid> GM all!
[05:52] <cuddykid> pretty tired
[05:52] <Upu> morning Crazykid :)
[05:52] <cuddykid> but ready to go :P
[05:52] <SpeedEvil> Hey CK
[05:52] <cuddykid> haha
[05:52] <SpeedEvil> :)
[05:52] <cuddykid> hiya :)
[05:53] <cuddykid> need to try and intercept a TNT parcel this morning
[05:53] <Upu> landing predictions updated and I'll clear the tracker shortly
[05:53] <cuddykid> brilliant, thanks
[05:53] <SpeedEvil> cuddykid: Make sure you wear your bomb-proof suit.
[05:53] <cuddykid> lovely crisp morning here
[05:53] <cuddykid> SpeedEvil: I have it at the ready :P
[05:53] <Upu> Does anyone know why KF4ZTI keeps uploading a balloon position to spacenear.us ?
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[05:57] <Upu> I should be about to track if, as I suspect you end up launching late :)
[05:58] <cuddykid> yeah, I think it will head off ~12ish
[05:58] <cuddykid> they're leaving london around 8 I think
[05:59] <Upu> The One Show fro Friday was the balloon one ?
[05:59] <cuddykid> should be landing very close to daveake :D
[05:59] <cuddykid> Upu: today I'm flying your max 6 with chip :)
[06:00] <Upu> thanks for the added pressure :)
[06:00] <cuddykid> lol
[06:00] <Upu> does the GSM backup work off that as well or is it separate ?
[06:00] <cuddykid> it's a great little thing
[06:00] <cuddykid> completely sepearte
[06:00] <Upu> independent even
[06:00] <Upu> ok
[06:00] <cuddykid> in the other payload and runs off its own battery
[06:00] <SpeedEvil> cuddykid: Lovely and crisp here too.
[06:00] <cuddykid> :D
[06:01] <SpeedEvil> cuddykid: I think I shall spend another couple of hours conferring with my hot-water-bottle though.
[06:01] <cuddykid> reminds me of that UKHAS conf morning
[06:01] <cuddykid> sounds nice!
[06:01] <cuddykid> right - I'll be back in about 30
[06:01] <SpeedEvil> :)
[06:03] <cuddykid> DAMNNNNNNNN
[06:03] <cuddykid> parcel is out for delivery
[06:03] <cuddykid> we were hoping to intercept at depo
[06:04] <cuddykid> but it didn't open until 7, the parcel left at 5:39
[06:05] <SpeedEvil> Is it required for the launch - or just random
[06:05] <cuddykid> required for launch
[06:05] <cuddykid> contain gopros
[06:05] <SpeedEvil> Eeek.
[06:08] <cuddykid> they're calling the driver now to see if he can divert
[06:08] <Dan-K2VOL> good morning
[06:09] <cuddykid> haven't you gone to bed yet Dan-K2VOL :P ?!
[06:09] <Dan-K2VOL> :-) no cuddy, the balloons must go up!
[06:10] <cuddykid> haha, it hopefully will be going up around 7am your time probs :P
[06:10] <Dan-K2VOL> Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed flights.
[06:10] <cuddykid> :P
[06:12] <cuddykid> their logo is "sure we can" - hmm, I don't think you can
[06:15] <cuddykid> right, the driver has got back saying currently there is too much freight in his van for him to be able to locate the parcel
[06:15] <cuddykid> so he's going to have to do a fair few deliveries before it empties a bit
[06:15] <cuddykid> as soon as he's located it he'll give me a call
[06:15] <cuddykid> fingers crossed!
[06:18] <griffonbot> @hrrunka: @dduane Stratospheric balloon projects are fun! Wish media would drop "to space" angle though; trivialises real space exploration. :/ #ukhas [http://twitter.com/hrrunka/status/191772585434955777]
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[06:48] <cuddykid> my comp is playing up - restart time
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[07:28] <daveake> Now *that* is a hailstone ... https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-5glDF4jB7lo/T4uNv99SYlI/AAAAAAAABCQ/sF0InUsEfaY/w497-h373/576431_409463795733067_202491759763606_1518665_71305455_n.jpg
[07:28] <number10> where did that land?
[07:28] <daveake> Kansas, yesterday, apparently
[07:29] <SpeedEvil> Now there is no need for that.
[07:29] <daveake> That could spoil your whole day
[07:29] <Elmar_PD3EM> not much left without holes in it....
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[07:45] <fsphil> hail to the stone baby!
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[07:53] <SamSilver> 500ml Rum 2 000ml coke one ice block sorted!!
[07:54] <daveake> fsphil groan!
[08:01] Action: fsphil groans
[08:01] <fsphil> it's chuck norris reincarnated
[08:04] <fsphil> I met someone yesterday with a really odd accent. I thought they where asking where the "Piper Shop" was, but he was saying Paper Shop
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[08:13] <daveake> I was in New Zealand once, and the guy I was working with said (well, I thought he said) ... "Wanna come back to my place for lunch? I can show you my dick extension"
[08:13] <Darkside> hahahahaha
[08:13] <daveake> Very imporessive it was too
[08:14] <Darkside> we aussie like to pay out New Zulanders for their accents
[08:14] <daveake> And yes I did realise what he actually said :)
[08:15] <fsphil> haha
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[08:19] <cuddykid> parcel successfully intercepted
[08:19] <daveake> All set then?
[08:19] <cuddykid> go pros now on charge - mostly charged I think
[08:19] <cuddykid> well, main payload still needs to be completed :P
[08:19] <daveake> Riiiight
[08:19] <fsphil> !
[08:19] <cuddykid> but, mostly there - I think!
[08:19] <daveake> And launch time/date?
[08:20] <cuddykid> nevarrr
[08:20] <cuddykid> lol
[08:20] <cuddykid> aiming for a 11:3 launch
[08:20] <cuddykid> 11:30
[08:20] <daveake> Very precise
[08:20] <daveake> ah
[08:20] <cuddykid> guess it will probably be more 12:00&.
[08:20] <fsphil> padding error already :p
[08:20] <daveake> I'll be ready for 1:30pm then
[08:20] <cuddykid> haha
[08:20] <cuddykid> yeah, that will be about right I guess!
[08:20] <cuddykid> bbl
[08:20] <daveake> Are we taking bets on the actual launch time?
[08:20] <cuddykid> car isn't packed or anything..
[08:21] <daveake> 2:30
[08:21] <fsphil> 02:30?
[08:21] <daveake> could be :)
[08:26] <gonzo_> what's the new alt record then?
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[08:26] <daveake> miles and miles and miles
[08:26] <daveake> 42,687m
[08:27] <gonzo_> (cue The Who track!)
[08:27] <cuddykid> had a call from a pilot earlier who was planning to fly directly overhead right at the estimated launch time - now he's changed his flight path :P
[08:27] <cuddykid> he goes - "there seems to be a lot of these recently" haah
[08:27] <gonzo_> bugger me sideways on a saturday night!
[08:27] <gonzo_> A hoywee I assume?
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[08:30] <daveake> 1600
[08:30] <daveake> Steve wanted to find out if there was a problem with these, after the last 3 flights burst very low
[08:32] <gonzo_> when I put my order in, I was tempted to go for the 1600's. But wimped out and got 800's
[08:32] <daveake> So, erm, there appears not to be a problem :-) and Steve can now sell his large pile of 1660s
[08:32] <daveake> 1600s
[08:32] <gonzo_> 1660 if you leave them in the bag
[08:32] <daveake> Michael (Mondo) also flew 2 1600s. One from the August batch and one from earlier. Both did very well
[08:33] <fsphil> think mine is earlier
[08:34] <Upu> [09:20] <cuddykid> aiming for a 11:3 launch
[08:34] <Upu> never worked with a TV Crew before... :)
[08:34] <Upu> 11:30 at night probably
[08:34] <cuddykid> hwoyee 1000
[08:34] <cuddykid> lol Upu
[08:34] <daveake> Yeah, I told him before to add 2 hours to "normal"
[08:34] <gonzo_> was that the c4 people?
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[08:35] <cuddykid> just text saying they're running late - won't be here until 11
[08:35] <daveake> gonzo_ Here's the remains of Steve's 1600 - http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/7079236009/in/set-72157629455947462
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[08:36] <cuddykid> going to start getting prepped well before though
[08:36] <daveake> I shall change my bet to 3pm then
[08:37] <daveake> In that pic, the lump on the left is the neck and attached balloon remains
[08:37] <daveake> The lump on the right is a separate piece of latex that enveloped the parachute
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[08:41] <gonzo_> good job it opened ok then
[08:42] <gonzo_> I'm collecting bits for our launches here. And the chute we have is a reclaimed met one. That landed in one of the guy's garden
[08:43] <fsphil> nice
[08:43] <daveake> What seems to have happened is that the chute opened and then later on the latex caught up with it. The initial descent figures were good then later on they were higher than expected
[08:43] <fsphil> recycling
[08:43] <gonzo_> I'm all for recycling
[08:44] <gonzo_> tried taping their balloon back up, but took too much tape
[08:44] <fsphil> a duct tape balloon would float forever
[08:44] <fsphil> but would need to be huge
[08:44] <gonzo_> how would the balloon catch up? due to thrashing about with low air density?
[08:45] <gonzo_> yep, but very satisyfing
[08:45] <fsphil> and bright
[08:45] <gonzo_> didn't mythbusters do a lead balloon once
[08:45] <gonzo_> depends on the colour of the tape
[08:45] <gonzo_> prob have to be pink
[08:46] <gonzo_> (I did buy pink gaffa tape once, as we wanted lots of colours to differentuiate cables etc
[08:47] <gonzo_> btw, who manages the fldidg HAB profiles ?
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[08:58] <cuddykid> main payload is finished
[08:59] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: main payload complete, loading chase car - then off to launch site #HABE #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/191813033629200384]
[09:01] <SamSilver> cuddykid: do not forget the duct-tape
[09:01] <fsphil> gonzo_, whoever is launching prepares the document, a few of us can upload it. in future it should be more automatic
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[09:09] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] XABEN-24 Launch Announcement Saturday 14/04/2012"
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[09:12] <navrac-work> morning all - did jcoxon launch yesterday while I was away?
[09:12] <daveake> nope
[09:12] <navrac-work> he did say it was going to be wind dependent
[09:13] <navrac-work> probably best not too anyway - I was too emotionally drained after willing saturdays lot to beat the altitude record
[09:13] <navrac-work> *to
[09:14] <daveake> Same here, except I was willing them not to beat my record :p
[09:14] <daveake> (not true!)
[09:14] <navrac-work> so daveake - you now have a 'neverburst' in your possession - when can we expect you to reclaim the record?
[09:15] <daveake> Well, I think that record will stay for a while, but I'll have a go
[09:15] <eroomde> what was the ascent rate?
[09:15] <navrac-work> I think as a a group we should buy the entire batch to stop the yanks having a go...
[09:15] <daveake> Just thinking about flights now. Hoping to launch next month
[09:16] <daveake> Steve says his spare bedroom already smells like a Durex factory
[09:16] <daveake> eroomde Was around 3m/s for a long way, but got faster as it ascended
[09:16] <navrac-work> I remember that smell from when I was an oversexed teenager
[09:16] <daveake> Dunno what the average was
[09:17] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] MONDO launches Saturday"
[09:17] <navrac-work> I did take a copy of the ascent rate graphs somewhere - it was a bit odd - the values swung around rapidly - i think the best bet would be to use the neck lift figure
[09:19] <navrac-work> So cuddykids launch is next - better get the mast down and up again
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[09:20] <navrac-work> also I took some audio and screencaps of mondo - who should i send them to?
[09:20] <gonzo_> daveake, are there any guides on the flight doc refered to on the online submission form?
[09:21] <cuddykid> got a 50m reel SamSilver :D
[09:21] <cuddykid> almost ready to go to launch site
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[09:21] <daveake> gonzo_ Not my area, and AFAIK there's just the stuff in that online generator
[09:21] <cuddykid> just had WM police air support call - they were rather intrigued!
[09:22] <fsphil> ur gonna jail lolz
[09:22] <daveake> lol
[09:22] <gonzo_> asking if you have any sharp objects or >100ml of fluid in your vbaggage?
[09:22] <daveake> Give me more time to rob the payload after it lands
[09:22] <cuddykid> haha
[09:22] <daveake> gives
[09:23] <daveake> Honest, Adam, it was empty when I got there
[09:23] <cuddykid> :P they had just fallen out during flight
[09:23] <gonzo_> daveake, who's the person to speak to on that submission then dave?
[09:27] <daveake> Best guys are in #habhub, but any of us who've filled in the forms before may be able to answer
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[09:29] <griffonbot> Received email: navrac "Re: [UKHAS] MONDO launches Saturday"
[09:31] <gonzo_> Is habhub on freenode too?
[09:32] <daveake> yep
[09:32] <daveake> Anyway, what's the question?
[09:33] <gonzo_> But it's the last entry on the form where it has an example flight doc string, I don't recognise that format and looking for some info on what to put there
[09:34] <fsphil> I can upload it later when I get home
[09:35] <WillDuckworth> hey cuddykid - had them and the army ring me last time. All set to go??
[09:37] <cuddykid> hi WillDuckworth :D
[09:37] <cuddykid> yeah, almost - just transferring stuff to launch site now
[09:38] <cuddykid> fingers crossed I can do all the stuff without your expertise!!
[09:38] <cuddykid> not sure what I'm going to do knots wise.. haha
[09:38] <fsphil> NI police only have one helicopter, little risk of them phoning me :)
[09:38] <cuddykid> but yes, all GoPro's have now arrived etc
[09:38] <WillDuckworth> left over right - right over left ;)
[09:38] <cuddykid> haha :P
[09:38] <cuddykid> It will be at least an hour yet before it gets under way
[09:38] <cuddykid> bbl
[09:39] Action: SpeedEvil is having a day when he should be doing something, but is instead lying in the sun in the greenhouse impersonating a cat.
[09:42] <kokey> yeah it's a nice day not to work
[09:43] <kokey> well, depending on your job
[09:43] <kokey> good day if you are a hot air balloon pilot
[09:45] <daveake> cuddykid Is it HABE or HABE2 in dl-fldigi?
[09:45] <daveake> Oh, he's gone
[09:46] <navrac-work> just habe according to his launch announcement
[09:46] <daveake> ta
[09:46] <navrac-work> I need to drill a hole in my wall so I dont have to have the office door open to run the coax in during launches
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[09:54] <Bob_G8NSV> hi all
[09:55] <Bob_G8NSV> is habe still good for launch?
[09:56] <kokey> hmmm
[09:56] <navrac-work> anyone from cambridge lurking around?
[09:56] <kokey> our building has a shared TV antenna, I wonder if it's any good for the ISM bands
[09:57] <Bob_G8NSV> hi navrasc
[09:57] <navrac-work> hiya
[09:57] <kokey> will have to test, once I can get anything but white noise out of my rtl2832U
[09:58] <gonzo_> you need ti TX into the antenna dist amp, then when the eng is there to replace it all, you can ask him to add your antenna to the mast
[09:59] <navrac-work> If anyone is passing kings college - there will be a tardis there - iof you see a short woman in jeans nearby can you ask her where she put my drill - its my wife and shes not answering her phone
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[10:00] <kokey> gonzo_: good idea
[10:00] <SpeedEvil> ... :)
[10:00] <kokey> or make friends with people in the penthouse
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[10:07] <Bob_G8NSV> any news on habe anyone?
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[10:09] <kokey> 11:38 < cuddykid> It will be at least an hour yet before it gets under way
[10:10] <Bob_G8NSV> ok no probs, tracker on and ready!!!
[10:12] <gonzo_> ah, my helium bottle has arrived, nice
[10:12] <fsphil> he says in a squeeky voice
[10:12] <gonzo_> that has been joked on here already!
[10:13] <fsphil> I tried it once, it doesn't seem to work with me
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[10:15] <cuddykid> right - last stuff going down to launch site
[10:15] <cuddykid> chute all stringed up
[10:16] <cuddykid> ttfn
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[10:17] <kokey> it's more fun if you have helium and nitrous oxide
[10:18] <kokey> someone inhales the nitrous, someone else does the helium, and then the person with helium speaks and the person with nitrous oxide laughs at him
[10:18] <daveake> I'm going for my original guess of a 2:30pm launch. Any other bets?
[10:18] <fsphil> 2pm
[10:18] <daveake> optimistic :D
[10:19] <jonsowman> he means tomorrow
[10:19] <daveake> Ah
[10:19] <daveake> Close then
[10:19] <UpuWork> I'll take 2.30
[10:19] <kokey> Hawaii time
[10:19] <fsphil> lol
[10:19] <kokey> ok, 3pm then for me
[10:19] <gonzo_> I once caught out a cheating girlfriend with helium. I huffed a balloon before talking to her on the phone, and she thought it was one of the other girls else and started to incriminate herself.
[10:20] <kokey> gonzo_: haha, clever trick
[10:21] <kokey> gonzo_: I once had to resort to sniffing chat traffic
[10:21] <kokey> not proud, but at least it help end things quicker
[10:21] <kokey> helped
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[10:22] <navrac-work> I'm going for the long shot 1:20pm for launch
[10:23] <gonzo_> think a better guide would be how many hours, for launch, after bacon butties
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[10:26] <UpuWork> lol who is SUBO ?
[10:29] <Bob_G8NSV> looking forward to testing fldigi with sdr-radio and hamlib control. should have full auto tracking!!
[10:29] <Bob_G8NSV> and my new yagi!
[10:32] <daveake> UpuWork Yes, there seems to be a certain theme going on spacenear ...
[10:33] <UpuWork> we need a Shayne Ward, Leon Jackson, Alexandra Burke, Joe McElderry and a Matt Cardle
[10:33] <daveake> You appear to be well researched
[10:33] <UpuWork> Oh RHYDIAN would be good
[10:33] <UpuWork> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_X_Factor_%28UK%29
[10:33] <UpuWork> everyone is an expert with Wikipedia
[10:33] <daveake> :)
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[10:36] <gonzo_> for years I thought that 'the X factor' was the same as the old Krypton Factor series
[10:36] <Upu> sadly not
[10:36] <gonzo_> could not understand why everyone was raving about it
[10:37] <gonzo_> (They I saw it once and now really can't fathom why people rave about it!)
[10:37] <eroomde> is there a flight today?
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[10:39] <daveake> Well "today" might be stretching it :p, but yes cuddykid should be launching today
[10:40] <Upu> hey eroomde yes there is
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[11:00] <eroomde> i went to a wee beer festival on sat briefly
[11:00] <eroomde> they had a 'titanic centenery ale' which they'd made especially
[11:00] <eroomde> and ludicrously it was free of any surely-unavoidable marketing jokes
[11:01] <eroomde> like 'sink a few of these'
[11:01] <eroomde> or 'this stuff goes down very easily'
[11:01] <GW8RAK> Served ice cold?
[11:01] <eroomde> or maybe 'do not serve with ice'
[11:02] <eroomde> i was disapointed
[11:02] <daveake> "wee beer". Hope that's not what it sounds like ....
[11:03] <daveake> But yes, what a missed oppourtunity
[11:04] <eroomde> i'll pretent that was a typo
[11:05] <eroomde> and we can nip the next 10 minutes of puns in the bud
[11:05] <eroomde> hopfully.
[11:05] <daveake> It was a typo actually :)
[11:05] <daveake> Unlike yours ....
[11:05] <eroomde> delib for once
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[11:10] <cuddykid> setting up now
[11:14] <eroomde> cuddykid: where are you launching from?
[11:15] <jonsowman> worcester
[11:17] <daveake> Uphamton, Worcs
[11:17] <daveake> Uphampton even
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[11:24] <jcoxon> afternoon
[11:24] <jcoxon> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10967
[11:25] <jcoxon> ping natrium42
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[11:32] <fsphil> cute
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[11:34] <Morseman> Any news about HABE please?
[11:35] <Bob_G8NSV> hi morseman, not off yet
[11:36] <Morseman> OK Bob_G8NSV have switched on DL-FLDigi and swapped the vertical to 70cm side and didn't hear anything so was worried had missed the launch
[11:37] <Morseman> A 'Chase_Limo has appeared on the map but a bit further south than Worcs
[11:37] <Bob_G8NSV> morseman no slight delay. the final preparations are being made I think, chase car is on the tracker at the launch site I think
[11:37] <Bob_G8NSV> ah thats not the launch site
[11:37] <daveake> No, the car was me doing a v quick test
[11:37] <Morseman> I'll grap a sandwich and make a cuppa then
[11:38] <daveake> Refresh - should be gone now
[11:38] <Bob_G8NSV> thought it was you dave hi there
[11:38] <Morseman> OK - Ta daveake
[11:38] <daveake> Hi :)
[11:38] <daveake> FT790 will be with you tomorrow
[11:38] <daveake> TNT are collecting here today
[11:38] <Morseman> Yes, 'Chase_Limo' has gone now
[11:38] <Bob_G8NSV> fixed my vector voltmeter last night made some new scales for the meters
[11:39] <gonzo_> well done bob
[11:39] <Morseman> Cuddykid seems nearest to where I'd expect the launch to be
[11:39] <Morseman> Is that his home loc or the launch site?
[11:39] <jcoxon> hey gonzo_ you launching a pico then?
[11:40] <Morseman> A vector voltmeter! Not seen/used one of those in years!!
[11:40] <Bob_G8NSV> there is a free program on the net that makes meter scales but only single scale ones, I paistakingly drew the others on after I printed it
[11:40] <gonzo_> that's the plan jcoxon
[11:40] <jcoxon> how many balloons?
[11:40] <Bob_G8NSV> very useful bit of kit
[11:40] <gonzo_> prob 2 if I can get theb payload weight down
[11:40] <daveake> Morseman That's the place listed in the notam, so either that's the launch site or he's launching from very close to home
[11:41] <Morseman> How many of those typical foil ones can you get into the '2m' space?
[11:41] <jonsowman> what freq is HABE?
[11:41] <daveake> 434.2
[11:41] <jcoxon> Morseman, well the aren't spherical
[11:41] <jcoxon> so you could probably get 4
[11:41] <jonsowman> ta daveake
[11:41] <Morseman> OK daveake - never sure where everyone should be when in their 'normal' place. :-)
[11:41] <jcoxon> but the fewer the better is my experience
[11:41] <jcoxon> they get twisted and rub
[11:41] <jcoxon> reduces how good they are
[11:42] <gonzo_> pico as a trial run to ease the group into it all, then a few proper ones
[11:42] <Morseman> OK - I'll probably try just a couple to begine with
[11:42] <jcoxon> gonzo_, cool
[11:42] <jcoxon> going for float?
[11:42] <Morseman> Still waiting for the Arduino anyway
[11:42] <gonzo_> we have 5 foils here, and gas for almost 3
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[11:43] <Morseman> Do you under inflate them gonzo_ or doesn't it matter?
[11:43] <jcoxon> interestingly Darkside's work with small latex balloons worked well
[11:43] <F5MVO> good morning all
[11:43] <gonzo_> jcoxon, well it depends on the predict for the day. If we can get it back, then will put keyfob cam on
[11:43] <jcoxon> i think they were 100gram balloons
[11:43] <Morseman> GM F5MVO
[11:43] <Bob_G8NSV> got my arduino here, will be starting on code this week. Im off til next Mon and the weather will be foul after today so indoors jobs!!
[11:43] <jcoxon> gonzo_, :-)
[11:44] <Bob_G8NSV> morning f5mvo
[11:44] <gonzo_> Morseman, I don't know yet, still learning
[11:44] <F5MVO> Astra1 in test ?
[11:44] <Morseman> I'm thinking of trying to use other peoples code to be honest
[11:44] <jcoxon> you'll need to underinflate them a bit to get them to ascend to a reasonable altitude
[11:44] <daveake> F5MVO Looks like it
[11:44] <Dutch-Mill> Hi F5MVO
[11:44] <Bob_G8NSV> I will cut and paste, cant code from scratch!!
[11:44] <daveake> No Astra launch announced and there's no notam
[11:45] <Morseman> OK gonzo_ understood. Still trying to pick people brains as well :-)
[11:45] <Bob_G8NSV> test?
[11:45] <jonsowman> daveake: testing
[11:45] <daveake> ta
[11:45] <Dutch-Mill> Hi all is HABE a pico?
[11:45] <Bob_G8NSV> what tx module morseman? rfm22b here
[11:45] <Bob_G8NSV> no full size I think
[11:46] <daveake> No, HABE is a latex flight with cameras
[11:46] <UpuWork> lol
[11:46] <UpuWork> Chase Limo
[11:46] Action: UpuWork slaps daveake
[11:46] <daveake> That should be gone now :)
[11:46] <Morseman> I've got an NTX2 on 434.075 at the moment - at least for initial tests
[11:46] <daveake> Was only there for a moment!
[11:47] <Morseman> I had visions of a stretched limo like they have round the corner from me trying to get down windy roads to catch a balloon ;-)
[11:47] <Bob_G8NSV> 434.075 is very noisy here, and elsewhere. I will operate higher up but try and avoid repeater inputs!!
[11:47] <Morseman> winding - even
[11:48] <Morseman> That's why I went for 075 - doesn't sound to bad here, touch wood
[11:48] <Bob_G8NSV> I think you have to go with your clearest freq for your tracking qth!
[11:48] <Morseman> Want to look at the AF input and RF output waveforms, see if can't get them to a reasonable purity
[11:49] <gonzo_> Easiest is to look at the af spectrum from your ssb rx and look for any extra muck
[11:50] <Morseman> I'll do that as well gonzo_ :-)
[11:50] <gonzo_> my ntx2 and attenuated TTL gives a pretty clean spectr
[11:50] <gonzo_> so happy to go with that
[11:50] <Morseman> Friend has a reasonable spectrum analyser and I have a scope to look at the AF in from the resistor dividers
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[11:53] <Morseman> I guess ASTR1 is having a test today. Appeared on tracker at 36m ASL
[11:53] <jonsowman> yeah just testing
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[11:53] <Bob_G8NSV> Luckily got access to some nice test kit at work
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[11:54] <F5MVO> Dutch-Mill, hi, never heard Ozzie1 ?
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[11:58] <benoxley> Matt_soton has stopped being annoying all over the tracker now
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[12:06] <SpeedEvil> 'Local minima' - See Angry Birds.
[12:08] <SpeedEvil> Also - argh. On checking the walkthrough - there is a _much_ easier way to *** D28
[12:09] <danielsaul> What time is the launch?
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[12:10] <Morseman> 11:00 :-)
[12:10] <navrac-work> soon i hope otherwise my guess was wrong
[12:10] <fsphil> my 2pm guess is looking good
[12:11] <Morseman> It's *always* just after I have to go to collect Kate from work...
[12:11] <navrac-work> my 1:20 is looking bad...
[12:11] <daveake> Morseman Your HAB setup needs an upgrade. A second car.
[12:13] <Morseman> And driving lessons for Kate? Ain't gonna happen...
[12:14] <daveake> fsphil Don't count your HAB points just yet :)
[12:16] <Morseman> Next development the "Launch Cam" so impatient trackers can watch progress. ;-)
[12:17] <navrac-work> we had that with daveake and upu - it worked really well
[12:17] <eroomde> except for my bum
[12:17] <eroomde> actually that was the timelapse
[12:17] <navrac-work> but we could watch the knotmaster at work :-)
[12:18] <eroomde> mainly sitting
[12:19] <Morseman> Going to get the long exposure pinhole camera down whilst we wait
[12:19] <Morseman> Been up for 3 months now
[12:20] <daveake> eroomde It was my bum in the live feed, apparently
[12:20] <number10> i can just see Danni saying... oh no simon it has burst
[12:20] <eroomde> that's alright then
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[12:22] <daveake> Well, whilst it's quiet .... I went to a fancy dress party at the weekend, dressed as part-man part horse. I was the centaur of attention.
[12:22] <daveake> And I promise no more of that calibre :)
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[12:25] Action: SpeedEvil passes fsphil some cheese.
[12:26] <griffonbot> @steamfire: RT @AnthonyStirk: XABEN-21 Breaks World Amateur Altitude record and doesn't seem to want to come back down still up there #ukhas [http://twitter.com/steamfire/status/191865119628738560]
[12:27] <SpeedEvil> Oh wacky
[12:27] <SpeedEvil> Is it another h2?
[12:27] <fsphil> time lag
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[12:28] <UpuWork> we do time travel on here
[12:29] Nick change: NigeyS -> Nigel|Busy
[12:29] <SpeedEvil> ah
[12:29] <UpuWork> fsphil was sending messages into the future yesterday
[12:29] <UpuWork> and they were recieved
[12:29] Action: SpeedEvil is 80% asleep today.
[12:29] <SpeedEvil> I spent yesterday clearing out the shed
[12:29] <SpeedEvil> Prparing for some wedding
[12:29] <SpeedEvil> welding
[12:29] <Morseman> I guess the Whitestar team don't know that 'Lallies' means legs in some cultures?
[12:30] <fsphil> You may now weld the bride
[12:30] <daveake> Ey up, he's up
[12:30] <Morseman> To the tune of the Welding March?
[12:31] <daveake> $$LABE lol
[12:31] <SpeedEvil> I have been inspired to dig out the welder after having no luck, after watching many welding vids on youtube
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[12:31] <cuddykid> gone finally
[12:31] <cuddykid> altitude not correct
[12:31] <SpeedEvil> I actually understand what it's supposed to look like now.
[12:31] <daveake> Nope
[12:31] <cuddykid> reporting 72m all the time
[12:31] <cuddykid> no 3D lock?
[12:32] <SpeedEvil> :/
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[12:32] <daveake> $$HABE,441,12:32:10,52.2947,-2.2048,72*0B
[12:33] <daveake> 434.195.5
[12:33] <SpeedEvil> Maybe it'll unstick.
[12:33] <daveake> Note that my FCD isn't necessarily calibrated yet
[12:33] <daveake> So the freq could be out a bit
[12:34] <daveake> ooh it's gone all weak
[12:34] <cuddykid> gps is completely out by the looks
[12:34] <daveake> So, my FCD is working nicely :)
[12:34] <Morseman> 434.198.33 Here and needed to use RV
[12:34] <daveake> Ditto
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[12:36] <jonsowman> USB?
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[12:36] <daveake> I have USB and RV set
[12:36] <daveake> So that'll be LSB then :)
[12:37] <Bob_G8NSV> what is the shift you are using?
[12:37] <Morseman> I don't believe the height though!
[12:37] <daveake> Er, no :)
[12:37] <Morseman> AH, just looked back at other comments
[12:37] <Morseman> Been dashing upstairs to listen :-)
[12:37] <Morseman> 425 here Bob_G8NSV
[12:37] <navrac-work> niice and strong here
[12:38] <Bob_G8NSV> thanks not it on my waterfall then!
[12:38] <navrac-work> im using 460 shift
[12:38] <daveake> ditto
[12:38] <navrac-work> oops nogps
[12:39] <daveake> Yeah, seen that 3 times now
[12:39] <Morseman> I'm not getting a distance and bearing and I have hit Autoconfigure as well
[12:40] <daveake> That's OK here
[12:40] <daveake> Though my location may not be :D
[12:41] <Morseman> What haven't I set this time I wonder?
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[12:42] <navrac-work> just seems to be random whether it work or not for me
[12:43] <UpuWork> is HABE up ?
[12:43] <daveake> I'm getting plenty of green decodes but not always appearing in the list on the map
[12:44] <UpuWork> loud and clear here
[12:44] <gonzo__> I get that regularly
[12:44] <daveake> So who one the sweepstake?
[12:44] <UpuWork> no GPS
[12:44] <daveake> fsphil was the closest I remember :)
[12:44] <daveake> won
[12:44] <UpuWork> why no alititude ?
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[12:45] <UpuWork> lol @ the listeners
[12:45] <daveake> :)
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[12:46] <number10> :)
[12:46] <number10> hyperspace
[12:46] <daveake> woah the path seems a bit strange now ...
[12:47] Nick change: Nigel_ -> NigeyS
[12:47] Nick change: NigeyS -> Nigel|Busy
[12:47] <UpuWork> NAVRAC and GODJA you're the odd ones out :)
[12:47] <UpuWork> must be 4000m +
[12:48] <daveake> Says zero now
[12:48] <daveake> 8666 ?
[12:48] <daveake> Self healing
[12:48] <daveake> Rate 23.7m/s
[12:49] <UpuWork> oh alititude
[12:49] <Morseman> Got to go and get Kate so wont worry about no dist and bearing readout now
[12:49] <UpuWork> this is one my GPS units too :/
[12:49] <number10> it may have been resoldered
[12:49] <daveake> I kinda suspect the fault is elsewgere
[12:49] <UpuWork> well it got a 3D lock when I tested
[12:50] <navrac-work> depends how much other metal is in the payload
[12:51] <navrac-work> low float? ;-)
[12:51] <daveake> Time padding error too
[12:51] <daveake> $$HABE,545,12:51:3,51.9662,-2.0015,8917*31
[12:51] <daveake> valid packet
[12:52] <Bob_G8NSV> got it
[12:52] <daveake> You need a more appropriate nick though :)
[12:52] <UpuWork> yep
[12:52] <navrac-work> 9843 new height
[12:52] <daveake> alt back
[12:52] <daveake> Or some number claiming to be alt anyway
[12:53] <navrac-work> sounds believable
[12:53] <UpuWork> 5.3m/s
[12:53] <daveake> Was 20 just now
[12:53] <UpuWork> well assume a false
[12:53] <UpuWork> so 1000g balloon
[12:53] <daveake> 1.6
[12:53] <UpuWork> 1.6 ?
[12:53] <navrac-work> smacks of low gps signal - I had this before I moved the gps ant away from the solar cells
[12:53] <UpuWork> I thought it was 1000g ?
[12:53] <daveake> I guess there;s an average there somewhere
[12:53] <fsphil> 434.198 USB?
[12:54] <daveake> 1.6m/s
[12:54] <UpuWork> 434199 USB RV
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[12:54] <daveake> Yes 1000g balloon I believe
[12:54] <UpuWork> so 1.2kg payload
[12:54] <cuddykid> hi
[12:54] <UpuWork> oh hai !
[12:54] <fsphil> no sign of it yet
[12:54] <cuddykid> in car chasing
[12:54] <UpuWork> cuddykid what have you done with my GPS :/
[12:54] <cuddykid> telemetry is super dodgy
[12:54] <cuddykid> i know :/
[12:54] <UpuWork> wrapped it in tin foil ?
[12:54] <cuddykid> wtf!
[12:54] <cuddykid> no :/
[12:54] <cuddykid> it's right on the top aswell
[12:55] <daveake> cuddykid do you need a hand chasing or not?
[12:55] <UpuWork> what burst are you expecting cuddykid ?
[12:56] <cuddykid> daveake: not atm, but if so, i'll drop you a ping :)
[12:56] <daveake> ok np. All set up if needed
[12:56] <cuddykid> UpuWork: ~29km ish
[12:56] <cuddykid> filled it right up
[12:56] <cuddykid> payload is ~1.1kg
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[12:56] <UpuWork> ok
[12:56] <UpuWork> seems to be @ ~ 5m/s
[12:57] <Laurenceb> what went wrong with habe?
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[12:59] <cuddykid> cheers :)
[12:59] <cuddykid> the backup sms tracker is going to be key here..
[12:59] <cuddykid> really not sure what's up with gps :S
[12:59] <cuddykid> UpuWork: brill, about right
[12:59] <cuddykid> is telemetry ok for people? a little dodgy here, but that might be due to antenna
[12:59] <cuddykid> currently m5 south worcester
[12:59] <UpuWork> its fine
[12:59] <UpuWork> when its reporting correct altitude
[13:00] <cuddykid> good
[13:00] <UpuWork> GSM interfering ?
[13:00] <cuddykid> GSM is on separate payload ~ 10m above
[13:02] <daveake> GPS stopped
[13:02] <fsphil> still no signal here
[13:02] <UpuWork> was it in flight mode ?
[13:03] <cuddykid> yeah
[13:03] <cuddykid> using jcoxons code
[13:04] <daveake> You're gonna be needing that GSM backup unless the GPS starts working again
[13:05] <cuddykid> yep
[13:05] <cuddykid> GSM is my trusty backup
[13:05] <cuddykid> I'll send it a text in a bit then I'll know when it's back below ~2km
[13:06] <jonsowman> nav mode?
[13:06] <cuddykid> jcoxons code sets it in nav mode?
[13:06] <daveake> At what alt does the uBlox stop if not in flight mode?
[13:06] <jonsowman> 12k
[13:07] <jonsowman> bit too much of a coincidence IMO
[13:07] <daveake> Right. Indeed. Well, that's good as that makes it likely to start up again later
[13:07] <daveake> Can anyone make a reasonable guess as to the landing spot from the data so far?
[13:07] <cuddykid> jonsowman: wouldn't it be 12km dead though?
[13:08] <jonsowman> cuddykid: no it does vary a bit
[13:08] <jonsowman> to allow for fix accuracy and stuff
[13:08] <UpuWork> if it starts again as it drops below its navmode
[13:08] <daveake> Live prediction says near Salisbury
[13:09] <cuddykid> daveake: I personally don't think it will be that far south, in prediction this morning - nearish swindon
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[13:11] <ON5RZ> what is freq ? 434200+- ?
[13:11] <cuddykid> are people getting stuff on the radio (just no gps)?
[13:11] <jonsowman> 43420037
[13:11] <Bob_G8NSV> my yagi seems to be working fine swinging it puts habe due north of me which is about right
[13:11] <cuddykid> can't hear anything here..
[13:11] <jonsowman> USB & RV
[13:11] <cuddykid> got it
[13:11] <number10> continual $$HABE,No GPS,12:59:45,51.7255,-1.8799,12039*42
[13:11] <daveake> yep
[13:11] <cuddykid> 323.203
[13:11] <cuddykid> *434.203
[13:12] <jonsowman> cuddykid: are you on LSB?
[13:12] <Bob_G8NSV> got control of the funcube from fldigi but no afc lock?
[13:12] <cuddykid> yeah
[13:12] <jonsowman> 434.20037 USB + RV
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[13:12] <fsphil> we get signal
[13:12] <jonsowman> or 323.203 LSB + no RV
[13:12] <jonsowman> *434
[13:13] <cuddykid> fsphil: good stuff - must be reasonably high then
[13:13] <cuddykid> just sent text to backup tracker guess it's a waiting game now
[13:13] <ON5RZ> start to hear something
[13:14] <fsphil> 450hz shift
[13:14] <cuddykid> chase car location: gloucester m5
[13:14] <daveake> For Swindon you need the Birdlip ass then Cirencester
[13:14] <UpuWork> ok back of envelope calcs
[13:14] <daveake> pass
[13:15] <daveake> Birdlip is single lane rest is dual carriageway
[13:15] <daveake> But I think it's going further south
[13:15] <UpuWork> it was doing 5m/s @ 13:55 @ 10915 so assuming burst is ~30500 burst time is expected to be around 1500 GMT
[13:15] <daveake> ok
[13:15] <jonsowman> UpuWork: current predicted altitude
[13:15] <jonsowman> ?
[13:16] <UpuWork> 17k
[13:16] <jonsowman> ta
[13:16] <cuddykid> brill thanks UpuWork
[13:17] <fsphil> starting to get partial decodes
[13:17] <cuddykid> heading to birdlip now
[13:17] <cuddykid> estimated arrival swindon at 3pm
[13:18] <daveake> Watch for cameras they love the stretch after Birdlip
[13:18] <cuddykid> thanks for headsup!
[13:18] <UpuWork> have you noticed the tracker names cuddykid ? :)
[13:18] <cuddykid> yes! I did notice them!
[13:18] <cuddykid> hahaha
[13:19] <cuddykid> brilliant
[13:19] <cuddykid> they don't know about space near :P
[13:19] <cuddykid> the guy himself (lee kern) actually very nice and helpful
[13:19] <cuddykid> all very helpful
[13:20] <UpuWork> whos driving ?
[13:21] <cuddykid> mum - managed to rope her in
[13:22] <cuddykid> it was going to be me right up until last min
[13:22] <cuddykid> helps to have someone driving
[13:22] <UpuWork> yup sure does
[13:22] <cuddykid> the production team are making their own way to swindon
[13:23] <fsphil> yea I don't think I could drive and track at the same time
[13:24] <fsphil> woo, getting strings. but no gps
[13:24] <daveake> It's tricky
[13:24] <fsphil> that's odd, the gps time is stuck too
[13:25] <cuddykid> fsphil: it just reports the last gps string
[13:25] <cuddykid> so time not updated
[13:25] <cuddykid> this might require some yagi direction finding skills
[13:25] <fsphil> also, you have no string counter
[13:25] <UpuWork> ok if ascent rate is reasonaly consistant you should have just passed 20km
[13:25] <cuddykid> fsphil: the non "no gps" strings have a counter
[13:25] <cuddykid> thanks UpuWork
[13:26] <r2x0t> also maybe delete this point for HABE? 2012-04-16 12:45:50 / 5.5167,0.1167 < this is what causes that long line down to equator
[13:26] <cuddykid> should be nearly underneath it now
[13:26] <Morseman> My 'faster' PC seems to be keeping me in the receivers list this time...
[13:26] <cuddykid> as it should double back on itself
[13:27] <navrac-work> is this problem possibly the airbourne mode not having taken?
[13:27] <Morseman> r2x0t I think it went to visit that station from Poland who is plotted down there as well
[13:28] <r2x0t> heh
[13:31] <ON5RZ> 50Bd 8N1 ?
[13:32] <jonsowman> ON5RZ: yep
[13:32] <jonsowman> 434.2003 USB with RV
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[13:32] <ON5RZ> vy gd signal now but rubish
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[13:33] <ON5RZ> ok got it , reverse shame on me
[13:33] <jonsowman> yeah it's LSB, unusually
[13:33] <cuddykid> hmm
[13:34] <cuddykid> think we're going to head for Chiseldon
[13:34] <cuddykid> slightly south of Swindon
[13:34] <kokey> it's nice around there
[13:35] <jonsowman> $$HABE,Oo GPS
[13:35] <jonsowman> i was excited.
[13:35] <cuddykid> :(
[13:35] <jonsowman> it's got lock again
[13:35] <daveake> new data
[13:35] <jonsowman> $$HABE,593,13:35:22,51.6611,-1.6864,12096*31
[13:35] <cuddykid> brilliant!!
[13:36] <jonsowman> alt isn't changing
[13:36] <daveake> coming my way lol
[13:36] <gonzo__> habe or hab2?
[13:36] <gonzo__> e
[13:36] <cuddykid> habe
[13:36] <jonsowman> gonzo__: HABE
[13:36] <gonzo__> rrr ta
[13:36] <cuddykid> wtf is wrong with alt?!?
[13:36] <jonsowman> it think it's locked but alt is remaining at 12096
[13:36] <UpuWork> what a wierd issue
[13:37] <UpuWork> 23k
[13:37] <UpuWork> ish +/-23k
[13:37] <cuddykid> yeah
[13:37] <jonsowman> lol
[13:37] <jonsowman> you might have beaten the world record and never know
[13:37] <jonsowman> :(
[13:37] <cuddykid> adjusting location to drive to& heading to Stratton St Margaret
[13:37] <cuddykid> jonsowman: doubt it :P haha
[13:37] <jonsowman> lol
[13:38] <cuddykid> just north of Swindon looks an ok place to stop
[13:38] <UpuWork> lol who is JEDWARD ? :)
[13:38] <cuddykid> in high alt winds as direction has reversed
[13:38] <gonzo__> ok getting strings now, but on a far from optimal antenna
[13:38] <daveake> lol
[13:39] <cuddykid> why is the altitude actually fluctating?!
[13:39] <cuddykid> !
[13:39] <cuddykid> just on out outskirt of north swindon - going to pull over
[13:39] <jonsowman> zero padding issue
[13:39] <jonsowman> lol JEDWARD
[13:39] <Bob_G8NSV> should fldigi mode be habe or habe2?
[13:39] <UpuWork> HABE
[13:39] <jonsowman> HABE
[13:39] <jonsowman> muahaha
[13:40] <cuddykid> sorry about that - it's confusing I know
[13:40] <Bob_G8NSV> weird not getting local display but uploading to tracker?
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[13:40] <UpuWork> you are
[13:40] <UpuWork> I can see you on the tracker
[13:40] <cuddykid> altitude is decreasing?
[13:40] <jonsowman> 11971
[13:40] <cuddykid> wut
[13:40] <cuddykid> maybe it's burst?
[13:41] <UpuWork> nah
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[13:41] <cuddykid> but then high alt winds
[13:41] <Bob_G8NSV> yes but my fldigi display is empty with weird bearing and distance
[13:41] <UpuWork> you're not getting a 3D lock
[13:41] <UpuWork> 25k
[13:41] <navrac-work> is it possible when it went above 12K it wasnt in airbourne mode so froze - it gets an innacurate height so it then decides in can continue
[13:41] <cuddykid> where do people think it's going to land (best guesses!)
[13:42] <gonzo__> in the same spat as picochu
[13:42] <jonsowman> cuddykid: fyi, that zero padding issue on time makes habitat sad
[13:42] <gonzo__> spot
[13:42] <jonsowman> you can't get away with that
[13:42] <jonsowman> :P
[13:42] <cuddykid> haha, sorry
[13:42] <jonsowman> np, but be aware those strings are rejected from the tracker
[13:43] <UpuWork> anyone would have thought this was a rush job
[13:43] <daveake> :p
[13:43] <cuddykid> lol
[13:43] <daveake> High Altitude Bug Examples
[13:43] <UpuWork> :)
[13:43] <cuddykid> they might be right
[13:43] <UpuWork> stop making me smile daveake its getting obvious to my work collegues I'm not actually working
[13:44] <daveake> :D
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[13:44] <cuddykid> :P
[13:44] <number10> http://i.imgur.com/H23gd.png
[13:45] <jonsowman> number10: amazing
[13:45] <jonsowman> i didnt notice that
[13:45] <daveake> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=51.739772,-1.222283&hl=en&ll=51.739454,-1.221639&spn=0.006185,0.01545&sll=51.510098,-1.384929&sspn=0.012754,0.030899&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=51.739749,-1.222253&panoid=YYHvSpPHS9PK9jyBql1Dlw&cbp=12,19.56,,0,1.19
[13:45] <number10> :)
[13:45] <daveake> ^^ SUBO
[13:46] <Morseman> What's with all these Jedward/Subo/Danii stuff?
[13:46] <cuddykid> stopped waiting for burst
[13:46] <daveake> Ask cuddykid :)
[13:46] <Morseman> Still can't get the distance and bearing to work either :-(
[13:46] <cuddykid> lol
[13:46] <cuddykid> daveake: it might actually land on your doorstep
[13:47] <daveake> Well I reckon SW of Hungerford
[13:47] <UpuWork> its following the prediction
[13:47] <daveake> But it's all a bit of a guess
[13:47] <Bob_G8NSV> morseman nor me
[13:48] <daveake> Well I put a recent point in with an assumption of 5m/s from when it lost altitude - http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=d696cb2f1a3bb4e671270bf778bf840dde97f42c
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> Can anyone link the tracker - I've mislaid it
[13:48] <UpuWork> South of the M4 under Purton
[13:48] <UpuWork> www.spacenear.us/tracker
[13:48] <cuddykid> I think a move to marlborough might be a good idea
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> Ah - thanks!
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[13:49] <UpuWork> sorta near RAF Lyneham ....
[13:49] <fsphil> annoying
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> Truly odd looking altitude graph
[13:49] <eroomde> i know some peeps in hungerford
[13:49] <jonsowman> burst?
[13:49] <fsphil> sounds ok here
[13:50] <daveake> looks ok still
[13:50] <jonsowman> ok, just local QRM/fading
[13:50] <Morseman> Is it really going north?
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> Did it have a 2D fix on the ground?
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> 3d
[13:51] <cuddykid> SpeedEvil: yup
[13:51] <jonsowman> very noisy on 434199 here
[13:51] <cuddykid> heading to marlborough
[13:51] <fsphil> spinny
[13:51] <cuddykid> ~20mins from here
[13:51] <fsphil> burst?
[13:52] <UpuWork> 27k if its still going up
[13:52] <Bob_G8NSV> lot of fade here could be burst
[13:52] <fsphil> no, seems to have settled down again
[13:52] <UpuWork> got to be still going up
[13:52] <Bob_G8NSV> and here now
[13:52] <UpuWork> it will change direction if its going back down
[13:53] <cuddykid> yep
[13:54] <SpeedEvil> Jedward = fsphil?
[13:55] <cuddykid> just a slight concern about how Swindon is possibly in it's flight path..
[13:55] <SpeedEvil> I guess all you can say about altitude from transmitters is 'probably over 15k'
[13:55] <UpuWork> 29k
[13:56] <fsphil> yea, I think upu's spot on
[13:56] <cuddykid> mind boggled about the gps
[13:56] <SpeedEvil> This is based on fitting the ascent rate over that period where it seemed to be valid?
[13:56] <UpuWork> it is
[13:56] <fsphil> 25k at least
[13:56] <UpuWork> burst should be ~ 31.5k @ 15:01 UK time
[13:56] <UpuWork> in next 5 mins
[13:57] <fsphil> yay auto-tune again
[13:57] <cuddykid> I would agree UpuWork
[13:57] <cuddykid> SpeedEvil: around 5ms-1
[13:57] <cuddykid> possibly burst?
[13:57] <cuddykid> as it's swinging more north
[13:57] <ON5RZ> my LOS is 13K for Swindon
[13:57] <jonsowman> stable here
[13:57] <fsphil> burst
[13:57] <UpuWork> it'll go south
[13:57] <fsphil> definitely
[13:57] <UpuWork> sure ?
[13:57] <cuddykid> I think so..
[13:58] <jonsowman> remarkably stable for just after burst
[13:58] <Bob_G8NSV> fast fade here now
[13:58] <fsphil> either that or something's swinging it :)
[13:58] <cuddykid> nice neg cubic it's drawn
[13:58] <UpuWork> doesn't look like a burst
[13:58] <jonsowman> im not listening to it
[13:58] <daveake> I agree
[13:58] <UpuWork> but I can't hear it
[13:58] <jonsowman> just watching waterfall
[13:58] <Bob_G8NSV> ok now
[13:58] <cuddykid> we'll soon see if the gps holds on
[13:58] <jonsowman> capital fm > rtty
[13:58] <cuddykid> lol
[13:58] <UpuWork> just a wobble
[13:59] <UpuWork> 30k
[13:59] <cuddykid> what descent rate are predictions using?
[13:59] <UpuWork> 5m/s
[13:59] <cuddykid> could someone run a predict with ~10ms?
[13:59] <cuddykid> descent
[13:59] <cuddykid> :) thanks!
[13:59] <UpuWork> shortly
[14:00] <fsphil> hmm.. it is quite stable for descent
[14:00] <eroomde> that's quite a fast descent
[14:00] <eroomde> do you think something has gone wrong?
[14:00] <UpuWork> its not decending yet
[14:00] <jonsowman> it's only a guess since altitude isn't working
[14:00] <mfa298> could be close to where the last SHARP balloon landed
[14:00] <UpuWork> 30.5km
[14:00] <cuddykid> just crossed south of m4
[14:00] <UpuWork> thats your predicted burst
[14:00] <eroomde> no i mean cuddykid's requesting of 10m/s
[14:00] <eroomde> that that's fast
[14:00] <eroomde> i was wondering if he's asking for that because he thinks something has gone wrong
[14:00] <UpuWork> why 10m/s cuddykid ?
[14:00] <cuddykid> yeah, I just want to check the extremes
[14:01] <cuddykid> I reckon it's going to be 7/8ish
[14:01] <cuddykid> so I don't go too far south
[14:01] <daveake> What size chute?
[14:01] <fsphil> spinny signal again
[14:01] <UpuWork> solid here
[14:02] <UpuWork> on water fall
[14:02] <cuddykid> 32" I think
[14:02] <cuddykid> with ~1kg
[14:02] <UpuWork> 31k
[14:02] <Bob_G8NSV> spinny here done that a few times wind?
[14:02] <cuddykid> lovely here
[14:02] <jonsowman> Exception occurred while attempting to parse: 'Invalid time value.' from UKHAS
[14:02] <UpuWork> going to be b0rked for the next 8 mins jonsowman
[14:02] <daveake> Yeah maybe 7-8m/s
[14:02] <kokey> those are nice areas
[14:02] <jonsowman> yep
[14:03] <UpuWork> ok
[14:03] <fsphil> big fading again
[14:03] <UpuWork> I got that
[14:03] <fsphil> now its burst
[14:03] <UpuWork> burst
[14:03] <cuddykid> getting on top of a big hill
[14:03] <daveake> +1
[14:03] <UpuWork> I think
[14:03] <jonsowman> def burst
[14:03] <Bob_G8NSV> really choppy now
[14:03] <UpuWork> hey get me
[14:03] <fsphil> UpuWork, nice work!
[14:04] <daveake> :)
[14:04] <cuddykid> great UpuWork
[14:04] <Bob_G8NSV> spot on upu!
[14:04] <kokey> nice weather I hope the footage is going to be good
[14:04] <eroomde> i don't get it
[14:04] <UpuWork> I think your max altitude was 31315
[14:04] <eroomde> what has happened that is great?
[14:04] <UpuWork> ish
[14:05] <daveake> roughly
[14:05] <UpuWork> I can add up eroomde
[14:05] <UpuWork> [14:15] <UpuWork> it was doing 5m/s @ 13:55 @ 10915 so assuming burst is ~30500 burst time is expected to be around 1500 GMT
[14:05] <daveake> Out by an hour then :D
[14:05] <eroomde> oh i see
[14:05] <eroomde> nice
[14:05] <UpuWork> UTC
[14:05] <fsphil> lol
[14:06] <eroomde> NICE ONE UPUWORK
[14:06] <eroomde> YOUDAMAN
[14:06] <UpuWork> lol
[14:06] <daveake> YOU'LL GO FAR
[14:06] <daveake> I WANT YOU IN MY TEAM
[14:06] <fsphil> with great power comes great responsibility!
[14:06] <UpuWork> don't be sarcastic or I'll throw my spreadsheet in a hizzy fit
[14:06] <eroomde> BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM
[14:06] <eroomde> I WANT YOU IN MY ROOM
[14:06] <eroomde> WE'LL DO A HAB TOGETHER
[14:06] <eroomde> FROM NOW UNTIL FOREVER
[14:07] <eroomde> or until you predict burst will be
[14:07] <UpuWork> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=6ca0f67e34c10255d72aa44452c99a8c11fb91f4
[14:07] <fsphil> Are we witnessing a breakdown?
[14:07] <eroomde> this new coffee we have is quite strong i do apologise
[14:07] <eroomde> it's made my jaw bone feel tingly n everything
[14:07] Action: daveake zooms in
[14:07] <UpuWork> lol I hope thats out
[14:07] <daveake> Oh, nice
[14:07] <x-f> balls!
[14:07] <daveake> Well, that close tome, I can wait till we get the altitude back :)
[14:07] <eroomde> i don't see what you guys are moaning about
[14:08] <eroomde> it's right on a hunction
[14:08] Action: mfa298 waits for the traffic news reports
[14:08] <eroomde> couldn't be more convenient
[14:08] <UpuWork> still makes some good footage as the last frame is an truck doing 50mph
[14:08] <cuddykid> landing predctions?
[14:08] <cuddykid> just SE of swindon?
[14:08] <cuddykid> by ogbourne now
[14:08] <gonzo__> quick, he's so high, tie a string on his big toe, save using a balloon!
[14:08] <eroomde> cuddykid: it's on a small side road SE of swindon
[14:08] <eroomde> the side road is called 'M4'
[14:08] <UpuWork> lol
[14:09] <kokey> cuddykid: it's darn nice around there
[14:09] <daveake> On the plus side, you should get there quickly
[14:09] <ON5RZ> ;-)
[14:09] <daveake> spinny spin spin
[14:09] <eroomde> set you sat nav to the village of 'baydon'
[14:09] <UpuWork> hopefully we'll get some sensible data when the altitude drops below 12k
[14:09] <ON5RZ> LOS of sign here <13k
[14:09] <number10> anyone predicting which carriageway
[14:09] <eroomde> UpuWork: when do you predict the altitude will drtop to 12km?
[14:09] <eroomde> place your betsd
[14:10] <gonzo__> should you huff and puff and blow your HAB in dave?
[14:10] <UpuWork> I don't know that involves more than basic maths
[14:10] <UpuWork> 45-50mins to drop from
[14:10] <kokey> eroomde: it's really nice by that village
[14:10] <UpuWork> 15:26
[14:11] <eroomde> is it kokey ?
[14:11] <eroomde> you know it?
[14:11] <Morseman> Wonder why Tracker stopped tracking at 13:59:58?
[14:11] <kokey> eroomde: I lived in swindon for 9 months and drove into the countryside as often as I could
[14:11] <Morseman> Got several after that and I guess so did others
[14:11] <eroomde> it had some project SHARP code in it maybe
[14:11] <daveake> Lack of zero padding in the messages
[14:11] <Morseman> AH
[14:11] <navrac-work> yes but habe couldnt parse them
[14:12] <Darkside> hmm
[14:12] <navrac-work> *close no biscuit
[14:12] <Darkside> am i seeing a float to string error?
[14:12] <Morseman> Getting too weak to decode here
[14:12] <jonsowman> probably an int Darkside, but yes
[14:12] <jonsowman> %02d
[14:12] <daveake> lost gps again
[14:12] <jonsowman> woo
[14:12] <navrac-work> still good here
[14:12] <Darkside> or just lack of tracking
[14:13] <UpuWork> its not decoding
[14:13] <UpuWork> as there is a padding issue in the time
[14:13] <Morseman> Where abouts are you navrac-work?
[14:13] <Darkside> the gap north of swindon
[14:13] <Darkside> ah
[14:13] <Morseman> Not as per the map I would guess?
[14:13] <navrac-work> suffolk
[14:13] <navrac-work> north of ipswich on the map
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[14:14] <Morseman> AH, you are where it says then
[14:14] <Morseman> Derbyshire hills in the way now I guess for me
[14:14] <navrac-work> yep - about 50 meters away from where I am.
[14:14] <fsphil> signal's gone, it's below 15km
[14:15] <Morseman> I'll turn the recorder off in a minute
[14:16] <jonsowman> urgh, QRM
[14:17] <cuddykid> internet v bad here
[14:17] <cuddykid> n/s of swindon?
[14:17] <daveake> No GPS for ages
[14:18] <Morseman> 14:11:2 was last proper decode here - No GPS
[14:18] <cuddykid> predicted current alt?
[14:18] <cuddykid> stopping on top of a hill near ogbourne
[14:19] <daveake> gps back
[14:19] <daveake> same alt still
[14:19] <daveake> alt dropping
[14:20] <SamSilver> HABE below 12 000m parea deployed in tracker
[14:20] <navrac-work> below 12k
[14:20] <SamSilver> para
[14:20] <cuddykid> good stuff :)
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[14:21] <cuddykid> on a ridge atm
[14:21] <SamSilver> cuddykid: Predicted Landing 51.4498, -1.82495 at 14:41 UTC
[14:21] <daveake> prediction is bouncing around somewhat
[14:22] <kokey> rate was bouncing between -6.3 and -20
[14:22] <SamSilver> daveake: yip all over the place
[14:22] <daveake> cuddykid Want me to set out? All set up if needed
[14:23] <cuddykid> daveake: got the area covered - I think ok :) thanks though
[14:23] <daveake> Fine, good luck :)
[14:23] <kokey> it's all fields around there, nice fields
[14:23] <cuddykid> on a ridge with a fantastic view
[14:23] <cuddykid> trying to spot it now!
[14:23] <kokey> ah yeah you just received it
[14:23] <navrac-work> gps gone again
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[14:24] <cuddykid> receiving clear here
[14:24] <cuddykid> just bad gps
[14:25] <daveake> alt keeps getting stuck
[14:25] <cuddykid> jeez - there are loads of airplanes around
[14:25] <navrac-work> yep its a good signal here too now - its stopped spinning which makes it easier
[14:25] <kokey> it does look like a bad bit in a way
[14:25] <SamSilver> predictor still showing burst
[14:26] <daveake> chute is working now
[14:26] <Bob_G8NSV> solid here
[14:27] <Bob_G8NSV> altitude frozen?
[14:27] <daveake> yup
[14:27] <cuddykid> getting louder and louder on the radio
[14:28] <navrac-work> back
[14:28] <cuddykid> 7km
[14:28] <daveake> yep
[14:28] <navrac-work> 7177m
[14:29] <daveake> stuck again
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[14:29] <SamSilver> was just about to post predictors lading site when it moved 30 odd miles
[14:29] <kokey> it's a bit high to spot by eye I think
[14:30] <cuddykid> mobilising
[14:30] <cuddykid> heading towards pewsey
[14:30] <mfa298> prediction is getting interesting with the random altitudes
[14:30] <jonsowman> dial freq?
[14:30] <kokey> marlborough high street is quite nice
[14:30] <mfa298> earlier prediction seemed to be around pewsey (whilst the GPS was working on ascent)
[14:30] <Bob_G8NSV> 202.280
[14:31] <jonsowman> thank you
[14:31] <UpuWork> fading from Yorkshire
[14:31] <SamSilver> in the sea just of IoW
[14:31] <UpuWork> 434202 jonsowman
[14:31] <Bob_G8NSV> nice solid copy now
[14:31] <UpuWork> USB but RV
[14:31] <jonsowman> cheers UpuWork
[14:31] <Bob_G8NSV> s2-3
[14:32] <cuddykid> very clear sigal
[14:32] <cuddykid> waiting for backup tracker reply
[14:33] <jonsowman> whcih tracker is it cuddykid?
[14:33] <daveake> kokey Yeah, we sometimes go there for breakfast at the Polly Tea Rooms
[14:33] <cuddykid> some chinese one :P
[14:34] <jonsowman> tk102?
[14:34] <daveake> They're about as relaible as North Korean rockets
[14:34] <jonsowman> hahaha
[14:35] <jonsowman> http://weknowmemes.com/2012/04/launch-i-said-lunch/
[14:35] <cuddykid> no reply yet..
[14:35] <daveake> lol
[14:35] Nick change: Martin100__ -> Martin100
[14:35] <jonsowman> cuddykid: if it's the tk102, be prepared to wait up to an hour for it to sort its life out
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[14:35] <daveake> You'll be lucky to get a reply before it lands
[14:35] <Bob_G8NSV> fading here now
[14:36] <cuddykid> usually its fantastic
[14:36] <cuddykid> got it strong here
[14:36] <jonsowman> gone here
[14:36] <jonsowman> though i am using a whip, indoors.
[14:36] <jonsowman> in cambridge
[14:36] <Bob_G8NSV> must be low now
[14:37] <mfa298> trying to judge that altitude line I get landing around 14:40 assuming the decent is fairly stable
[14:37] <navrac-work> just lost it
[14:38] <Bob_G8NSV> just dragged one from the noise!
[14:38] <UpuWork> its only 10 miles from daveake
[14:38] <daveake> He doesn't want my help <sob>
[14:38] <cuddykid> lovely area to chase
[14:38] <cuddykid> oh wow jonsowman
[14:38] <UpuWork> Engage the 406!
[14:38] <cuddykid> daveake: certainly welcome to come!
[14:38] <UpuWork> go dave
[14:38] <UpuWork> go
[14:38] <daveake> Awe OK then :)
[14:38] <daveake> UpuWork call with last posn please?
[14:38] <cuddykid> seriously!
[14:38] <UpuWork> rgr
[14:39] <UpuWork> you're the only person on it at the moment though
[14:39] <daveake> What's the best guess at landing point now?
[14:39] <jonsowman> cuddykid: does it look like this? http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00SBQTuorGmpzg/GPS-Pet-Tracker-TK-102-.jpg
[14:39] <UpuWork> no idea
[14:39] <UpuWork> unsure about alititude
[14:39] <UpuWork> wait till its out of your range
[14:39] <daveake> Will do
[14:39] <UpuWork> still decoding ?
[14:39] <daveake> Very strong here
[14:39] <cuddykid> daveake: pewsey is where we're heading
[14:39] <daveake> 18dB S/N (with NR on)
[14:39] <UpuWork> its 10 miles from your house ?
[14:39] <daveake> OK
[14:40] <UpuWork> if that ?
[14:40] <cuddykid> no jonsowman
[14:40] <daveake> About 20 at a guess
[14:40] <UpuWork> still moving so I'd just sit tight until it stops moving
[14:40] <mfa298> my guess is just west of pewsey
[14:40] <daveake> I'll track here till it's dead, then I'll type the posn into the sat nav and head off
[14:40] <number10> jonsowman: I was wondering about controlling the power to the GPS trackers so it only powers on below 12k
[14:40] <UpuWork> I'm with mfa298
[14:40] <cuddykid> stuck in traffic in marlborough
[14:40] <cuddykid> thanks daveake
[14:40] <UpuWork> its going to swing a little north
[14:41] <jonsowman> number10: good plan
[14:41] <jonsowman> i think that might help a lot
[14:41] <UpuWork> you're in the right place cuddykid
[14:41] <cuddykid> :D
[14:41] <number10> I may take the one I have apart
[14:41] <mfa298> although it looks like it's heading further east than I was expecting now.
[14:41] <cuddykid> still no backup tracker reply
[14:41] <cuddykid> I'll send another text..
[14:41] <UpuWork> in fact there its changed
[14:41] <UpuWork> going north
[14:42] <UpuWork> if you go down to the woods tonight you're going to need daves big pole dee dum dee dum dee dum
[14:42] <r2x0t> there's nice wood up there...
[14:42] <mfa298> probably aim for halfway between Marlborough and pewsey
[14:42] <fsphil> it's fine, cuddykid's a lumberjack and he's ok
[14:43] <UpuWork> thats almost down
[14:43] <mfa298> seems like quite a strong pull from that collection of trees
[14:43] <UpuWork> Lockeridge
[14:44] <cuddykid> very clear here
[14:44] <daveake> He's a lumberjack and he's OK; He codes all night and chases all day
[14:44] <cuddykid> no backup text yet
[14:44] <cuddykid> brilliant daveake!
[14:44] <UpuWork> still moving
[14:44] <daveake> You're not wearing a dress are you?
[14:44] <mfa298> looks like it's finding an area with a nice lack of roads / tracks
[14:44] <fsphil> or high heals?
[14:45] <cuddykid> 51.3848,-1.8003
[14:45] <Morseman> Heard a few more transmissions but nothing fully decodeable
[14:45] <cuddykid> last loc
[14:45] <cuddykid> 51.3856,-1.8001
[14:45] <UpuWork> wish the altitude would kick in
[14:45] <cuddykid> same
[14:45] <mfa298> just turned on satellite view. lotsa trees!
[14:46] <cuddykid> so weird
[14:46] <UpuWork> and drop NOW
[14:46] <daveake> getting low now
[14:46] <cuddykid> backup!!!
[14:46] <daveake> gone
[14:46] <daveake> You be down
[14:46] <cuddykid> fading here
[14:46] <UpuWork> I'd say thats down
[14:46] <UpuWork> given the sudden swerve
[14:46] <cuddykid> backup online
[14:46] <cuddykid> gone here
[14:46] <daveake> $$HABE,921,14:45:58,51.3872,-1.7996,7107*!3
[14:46] <cuddykid> radio all of a sudden dropped
[14:46] <daveake> Very very quickly
[14:47] <r2x0t> looks like a good location
[14:47] <cuddykid> waiting for location from backp
[14:47] <cuddykid> nada on the radio
[14:47] <daveake> Right, off I go
[14:47] <UpuWork> I think you need to go have a chat with the people at Shaw house
[14:47] <mfa298> wow, that might have found the one field among lots of trees
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[14:48] <eroomde> see if you can borrow a shaw
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[14:48] <eroomde> to cutdown your payloadsh
[14:48] <UpuWork> you been drinking eroomde ? :)
[14:48] <r2x0t> there's some road to the north of it
[14:48] <r2x0t> in the woods
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[14:49] <UpuWork> turn right right when you see an Audi in the ditch ? http://maps.google.com/maps?q=51.3869,-1.7998&hl=en&ll=51.391333,-1.816864&spn=0.018585,0.077162&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=52.68309,79.013672&t=h&z=14&layer=c&cbll=51.391342,-1.816892&panoid=ayBv527LtDAN345cF-gx5g&cbp=11,116.12,,1,6.93
[14:50] <mfa298> agreed, shaw house looks like a good call. looks like there's tracks out the back of there to the field.
[14:51] <cuddykid> hmm
[14:51] <r2x0t> was talking about this road: http://g.co/maps/6euvm
[14:52] <cuddykid> anyone have postcode for shaw house?
[14:52] <cuddykid> internet rubbish here
[14:52] <cuddykid> not backup sms reply..
[14:52] <cuddykid> *no
[14:52] <UpuWork> whats that sign say ? Warning trespassers will be shot ?
[14:52] <UpuWork> checking cuddykid
[14:53] <eroomde> shawly shome mishtake
[14:53] <cuddykid> thanks
[14:58] <UpuWork> SN8 4EL
[14:58] <UpuWork> gets your to East Kennett
[15:00] <UpuWork> actually Lockeridge
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[15:00] <UpuWork> SN8 4EL
[15:02] <cuddykid> thanks
[15:04] <navrac-work> SN8 4LU should take you to the end of their drive
[15:06] <UpuWork> where you get that from Navrac ?
[15:06] <navrac-work> ahh that would be telling
[15:07] <UpuWork> I know tell :)
[15:07] <navrac-work> 192.com
[15:07] <mfa298> I think I came up with SN8 4LX for the other entrance.
[15:08] <navrac-work> well could try v or w at the end for the house!
[15:08] <UpuWork> ok
[15:08] <mfa298> looking at something that draws the boudaries it looks like SN84LU covers the house and bottom entrance
[15:09] <navrac-work> yep
[15:09] <navrac-work> chase_limo on the way with a df yagi at a guess
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[15:09] <mfa298> infact the boundary looks like it does odd things to just include the top entrance.
[15:11] <navrac-work> still need the chase bike icon
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[15:23] <UpuWork> chase limo :)
[15:23] <UpuWork> he's there
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[15:24] <r2x0t> still driving south?
[15:24] <UpuWork> aye possibly he drives very quick takes him a whilst to slow down sometimes
[15:24] <mfa298> how long until we see an angry farmer icon ?
[15:24] <r2x0t> ... it's hard to turn limo on these small roads ...
[15:24] <kokey> with a pitchfork
[15:24] <r2x0t> lol
[15:25] <navrac-work> maybe hes looking for high ground for a bit of dfing
[15:25] <fsphil> is it still transmitting?
[15:26] <UpuWork> he can't hear it
[15:26] <fsphil> drat. and no sms?
[15:26] <mfa298> I don't think there's much chance of getting suitably high ground down the road.
[15:26] <mfa298> (I have the OS map data up for the area)
[15:27] <UpuWork> its behind a hill
[15:27] <UpuWork> See http://g.co/maps/4qgqb
[15:28] <UpuWork> he's just turning round
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[15:29] <UpuWork> SUBO has landed
[15:29] <mfa298> It might be recievable at shaw house. It's lower but I think the landing site is on that upward slope
[15:29] <UpuWork> this is where Dave gets eaten by a big dog
[15:30] <navrac-work> i suppose if the gsm tracker couldnt find signal you could probably df that if you knew the freq - its probably pumping out a watt or so
[15:30] <navrac-work> wish we had know the height of the last message
[15:30] <fsphil> yikes: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-17713833
[15:32] <mfa298> guestimaing the position on the OS map I reckon it's around 220m for ground level.
[15:32] <mfa298> question is how far it moved after that last message
[15:32] <navrac-work> i prefer number 2 of the popular stories on that page
[15:33] <UpuWork> dave is now driving in a field
[15:34] <SpeedEvil> I prefer story three
[15:34] <UpuWork> I think I do too
[15:34] <Laurenceb> fsphil: why do i get the impression that entire heli thing was made up
[15:34] <Laurenceb> to scare "terrorists"
[15:34] <navrac-work> chase_4x4
[15:34] <UpuWork> where is cuddykid ?
[15:34] <navrac-work> oh yes - 3 sorry
[15:35] <Laurenceb> or justify buying more typhoons
[15:35] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Helicopter pilot accidentally squaking the wrong transponder code isn't quite impossible.
[15:35] <Laurenceb> sure, but the entire thing seems a little convenient
[15:36] <Laurenceb> for those wishing to justify more military spending
[15:36] <russss> or someone accidentally sneezing with their hand on the throttle
[15:36] <russss> "oops".
[15:37] <navrac-work> daves got it
[15:37] <fsphil> woo-hoo!
[15:37] <navrac-work> eg picked up a signal
[15:37] <fsphil> aww
[15:37] <mfa298> that would put it at ground level by the looks of it
[15:37] <JM_> what about "mystery object" photographed above helicopter?
[15:38] <navrac-work> in the field - nice easy collection
[15:38] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:39] <Laurenceb> i guess they'll have some Marlboroughs to celebrate
[15:40] <navrac-work> hmm interesting route...
[15:41] <r2x0t> offroad chase limo
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[15:41] <mfa298> guess it depends what's in those fields at the moment
[15:42] <r2x0t> maybe they borrowed a tractor :)
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[15:42] <Laurenceb> its clearly a stretch hummer
[15:43] <gonzo__> that just sounds rude!
[15:46] <UpuWork> looks like its in a field
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[16:01] <UpuWork> recovered
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:02] <jonsowman> :)
[16:02] <navrac-work> nice one
[16:02] <UpuWork> on a barbed wire fence
[16:03] <UpuWork> interestingly there is now an offensive message landing somewhere over England as it wasn't attached to the payload :)
[16:03] <UpuWork> anyway
[16:03] <UpuWork> home time !
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[16:05] <fsphil> whoops
[16:07] <fsphil> it was quite a turbulent ascent, I wonder if it was on there for most of the flight at all
[16:08] <Randomskk> not the most auspicious launch
[16:09] <kokey> haha
[16:09] <kokey> as long as the gopro cameras are back
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[16:13] <number10> there are some footpaths nearby http://i.imgur.com/9MnyG.png
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[16:22] <Laurenceb> enjoy your Ho
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[16:28] <kokey> off home soon
[16:29] <kokey> to battle more with my rtl2832 white noise receiver
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[16:32] <PD3EM> evenng!
[16:33] <PD3EM> I missed a part while driving home.... how was the recovery?
[16:33] <SpeedEvil> They battled off the crocodile, and recovered it. Only lost a leg.
[16:34] <PD3EM> haha... I thought is was in the UK, not in Australia ;-)
[16:34] <PD3EM> great daveake could recover it
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[16:42] <cuddykid_mob> recovered successfully with huge thanks to daveake for help at landing site
[16:42] <cuddykid_mob> bad news though - photo came off at around 4km in altitude
[16:44] <jonsowman> photo of?
[16:44] <Randomskk> was the photo the main thing?
[16:44] <Randomskk> should have used more tape :P
[16:44] <cuddykid_mob> yeah - balsa cleanly snapped off end
[16:45] <Randomskk> the balsa snapped?
[16:45] <Randomskk> or detached?
[16:45] <cuddykid_mob> but it should be editable as there is good footage of boom without photo
[16:46] <cuddykid_mob> bent and snapped off - was tol brittle
[16:46] <jonsowman> please don't, we'll all know >.>
[16:46] <Randomskk> hahaha you can't go there, that's danger territory :P
[16:47] <cuddykid_mob> not me, production team :P as theyve put a fair amount of money into it
[16:47] <Randomskk> haha fair enough, make sure they get the shadows right :P
[16:47] <cuddykid_mob> yeah, that will be hard
[16:48] <mfa298> cuddykid_mob: do we know what TV show this was for ?
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[16:56] <Upu> if anyone wants that One Show with Rocketboy on it I have it now, haven't had time to cut it down so its 600Mb, Steves bit is from 50 mins onwards
[16:56] <Upu> just let me know if you want a link
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[16:59] <daveake> home :)
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[16:59] <priyesh> Upu: what day/channel was it broadcasted?
[16:59] <daveake> But I guess you all knew :D
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[16:59] <Upu> BBC1 last Friday
[16:59] <Upu> wb daveake
[16:59] <Upu> any pics ?
[17:00] <number10> no, we were not paying any attention daveake ;)
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[17:00] <daveake> Blimey give me a chance :D
[17:00] <nigelvh> Anyone have experience designing a reasonably sized switching power supply?
[17:00] <number10> lol
[17:00] <Upu> lol
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[17:02] <daveake> I think I'm gonna need a 4x4 soon :D
[17:03] <daveake> cuddykid, his mum and 'li' brother were at the top of that path when I got there. Farmer apparently told them you could get to the next village on that path, but I suspect that's only if you have a tractor
[17:04] <daveake> We got so far then the "path" (now a muddy track in a field) was heading the wrong way, so we did the rest on foot
[17:05] <Upu> it didn't look like a path :)
[17:05] <Upu> shame the logo fell off at 4km
[17:05] <Upu> should have used carbon fibre :/
[17:05] <daveake> 4km up or down?
[17:05] <Upu> up I think
[17:05] <daveake> oh. dear.
[17:06] <daveake> Ah well, photoshop then
[17:06] <daveake> http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/7084459245/
[17:08] <Upu> nice landing stop
[17:08] <Upu> spot
[17:08] <daveake> Yeah, was fine.
[17:10] <daveake> Ah, I see I uploaded telemetry from the field
[17:10] <Upu> you dod
[17:10] <Upu> did
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[17:11] <daveake> Cool
[17:11] <UpuMobile> test using on screen keyboard
[17:12] <UpuMobile> hey this does auto complete
[17:12] <UpuMobile> wibble
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[17:17] <daveake> Wonder what altitude it was at when I lost it from home. The last position I got is almost the same as the landing spot
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[17:19] <daveake> <UpuWork> aye possibly he drives very quick takes him a whilst to slow down sometimes
[17:19] <daveake> lol
[17:19] <daveake> Nah, was looking for somewhere to pull over and get the yagi out :-). Hadn't had a peep from the magmount which seemed strange as I was quite close.
[17:20] <Upu> :)
[17:20] <fsphil-laptop> was it transmitting coordinates?
[17:22] <Upu> I'll be interested to know what was wrong with it
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[17:24] <daveake> Yeah, after we met up and were told we got drive down that "path", we did that then stopped when I could just about hear a signal. Then we plugged cuddykid's receiver and antenna (both more sensitive than mine) into my car PC and got some telemetry. We then had an accurate position.
[17:24] <fsphil-laptop> excellent
[17:24] <daveake> Drove a bit further till it got a bit silly then walked
[17:25] <daveake> Payload was the other side of a small hill hence the poor signal
[17:25] <number10> I saw a nice audi 4X4 thing in shop, only 80K
[17:25] <daveake> Nice
[17:25] <daveake> Next year's HAB budget perhaps?
[17:25] <number10> hab christmas present list daveake
[17:25] <daveake> :)
[17:26] <daveake> Last position I got from home 51.3872,-1.7996, actual position of payload 51.3877,-1.7993. Not bad!
[17:27] <daveake> All my pix - http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/sets/72157629467437666/
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[17:28] <Upu> looks good
[17:29] <daveake> Yeah, looked just fine to me aside from the lack of, erm, "object" on the end of the pole
[17:29] <daveake> Nice pressie for someone
[17:30] <daveake> I see Iforgot to change my nick in dl-fldigi on the car oc
[17:30] <daveake> pc
[17:31] <fsphil-laptop> needs more duct tape
[17:31] <daveake> All the cool guys use spinnaker tape
[17:32] <daveake> So it needs more of that instead :)
[17:32] <fsphil-laptop> yea that... *googles*
[17:32] <daveake> As used on Steve's world record
[17:32] <fsphil-laptop> "A spinnaker is a special type of sail that is designed specifically for sailing off the wind from a reaching course to a downwind, i.e. with the wind 90°180° off the bow"
[17:32] <daveake> So there's no better endorsement than that
[17:32] <fsphil-laptop> yay wikipedia, I finally understood something
[17:33] <daveake> Oh, there is ... Upu bought some. You can guess the colour :)
[17:33] <fsphil-laptop> black
[17:33] <fsphil-laptop> all payloads should be black
[17:34] <number10> I got some tape yesterday, pink.. maunfacturers donate 25p to breast cancer
[17:34] <fsphil-laptop> nice one!
[17:34] <fsphil-laptop> though I'm not sure it needs the money
[17:35] <fsphil-laptop> they do a pink-day in the office every year, I might get some of that and make myself a pink hat
[17:35] <fsphil-laptop> pink pirate hat!
[17:35] <fsphil-laptop> made of tape
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[17:36] <number10> hippo tape it was, not sure is the correct shade of pink - I'll have to ask our resident pink expert
[17:37] <Upu> oh hai!
[17:37] <number10> oops
[17:39] <eroomde> back
[17:39] <eroomde> is it recovered?
[17:40] <fsphil-laptop> it is
[17:40] <fsphil-laptop> interesting, you can answer that question by reversing all the words
[17:40] <fsphil-laptop> although you'd sound like yoda
[17:41] <x-f> yoda like sound
[17:41] <fsphil-laptop> seems it so
[17:42] <daveake> Use your receiver, Obi-Wan, and find it, you will.
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[17:45] <daveake> The stats piechart for HABE is great :)
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[17:48] <MI6VIM> hmm.. got a kernel panic when I opened the stats page
[17:49] <MI6VIM> nice, 88 strings
[17:50] <DanielRichman> kernel panic huh? the rootkit must be broken. Which kernel version are you running?
[17:50] <MI6VIM> muhaha
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[17:52] <fsphil-laptop> just looking back at the stats for my launch, got some good coverage
[17:52] <fsphil-laptop> dutch-mill got a few strings
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[17:58] <eroomde> dannii minogues's ups wasnt working today
[17:58] <eroomde> so she couldnt hear any strings
[17:59] <eroomde> because she couldnt be bothered to fix it
[17:59] <Upu> shame :/
[18:01] <eroomde> shes quite lazy
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[18:03] <number10> most disapointing, but then I heard Dannii has falen out with the man in question
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[18:15] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] MONDO launches Saturday"
[18:19] <fsphil-laptop> I wish: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=244827cdb5b0f390cfab70aaf7e67797b2511dfe
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[18:21] <number10> that would be cool - no chase car just a stroll
[18:22] <x-f> ooh, perfect for flying that power LED you have
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[18:28] <fsphil-laptop> yep!
[18:28] <fsphil-laptop> I must get that wired up
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[18:38] <griffonbot> Received email: Cresswell family "Re: [UKHAS] MONDO launches Saturday"
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[18:42] <cuddykid> evening
[18:42] <fsphil-laptop> wb cuddykid
[18:42] <cuddykid> thanks daveake!
[18:42] <cuddykid> hi fsphil-laptop
[18:42] <cuddykid> what a mess I've created on the tracker
[18:42] <fsphil-laptop> ah, I didn't get a chance to see it earlier...
[18:43] <cuddykid> all sorts of odd gps probs
[18:43] <daveake> np
[18:43] <cuddykid> chase_limo - I like it!
[18:43] <fsphil-laptop> looks like you where not in aviation mode
[18:43] <cuddykid> that might have been the probs
[18:44] <fsphil-laptop> it cut out at 12km and resumed just below
[18:44] <cuddykid> fsphil-laptop: the lat/long started working again around 23km
[18:44] <cuddykid> just not alt
[18:45] <fsphil-laptop> yea it seems to do that even in the wrong mode
[18:45] <fsphil-laptop> I think I remember Tim's doing the same thing
[18:45] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] MONDO launches Saturday"
[18:46] <cuddykid> will check it out thoroughly at some point :)
[18:46] <cuddykid> thanks to all trackers!
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[18:46] <fsphil-laptop> what's more interesting is why it didn't work at the start of the flight
[18:46] <cuddykid> yeah
[18:46] <cuddykid> very odd
[18:46] <cuddykid> in some testing it took ~30mins to get 3D lock
[18:46] <fsphil-laptop> first proper altitude report wasn't until 8666m
[18:46] <cuddykid> other times it took a min
[18:46] <cuddykid> bbl
[18:47] <fsphil-laptop> Receivers: G0DJA, THE VOICE, LEONA, SUBO, NAVRAC
[18:47] <fsphil-laptop> hehe
[18:47] <fsphil-laptop> navrac, you should have been 2rac
[18:48] <jonsowman> i liked cowell street
[18:49] <fsphil-laptop> DanniiSaysHi, haha
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[19:06] <number10> cowell street wasn't me ;)
[19:07] <jonsowman> :P
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[19:11] <Bob_G8NSV> Hi All
[19:11] <tstowe> howdy
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[19:12] <tstowe> Bob, where from?
[19:12] <cuddykid> balloon shrouds really do stink!
[19:12] <daveake> told you!
[19:12] <tstowe> shrouds? like on the surplus balloons?
[19:13] <fsphil-laptop> they really do stink. we put them in the trailer last time rather than the car on the way home
[19:13] <tstowe> oh...got ya
[19:13] <tstowe> glad I've got a truck
[19:14] <Bob_G8NSV> Dorset Christchurch
[19:14] <daveake> shards, perhaps
[19:14] <fsphil-laptop> I might get a big bin bag for next time
[19:14] <daveake> yep
[19:14] <fsphil-laptop> something I can seal
[19:14] <daveake> I take a bag in the recovery box
[19:15] <fsphil-laptop> ah, I meant to order that regulator today
[19:15] <tstowe> i bet they would fit in a gallon freezer bag...that would seal up
[19:16] <tstowe> what do you guys use for a payload/capsule?
[19:16] <fsphil-laptop> polystyrene box usually
[19:17] <tstowe> i've been considering using the airframe from a rocket
[19:17] <tstowe> they are strong and fairly light-weight...and would be reusable
[19:17] <fsphil-laptop> wouldn't that be quite hard?
[19:17] <Bob_G8NSV> you there navrac?
[19:18] <cuddykid> daveake: a bag was a great idea
[19:18] <fsphil-laptop> hard as in, imagine it landing on your car :)
[19:18] <tstowe> you have a point
[19:19] <jonsowman> or on someone...
[19:19] <tstowe> here is what I've used in the past: http://thetalon.smugmug.com/Misc/Space/More-Testing/19696778_tL84KT#!i=1597951626&k=9Pbfbw9
[19:19] <daveake> cuddykid yeah I know :)
[19:19] <daveake> cuddykid pix - http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/sets/72157629467437666/
[19:19] <fsphil-laptop> jonsowman, I was going to say someone -- but I'm not sure I'd like even a polystyrene box landing on someone :)
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[19:19] <jonsowman> fsphil-laptop: true
[19:20] <jonsowman> probably wouldn't kill you though
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[19:20] <tstowe> well... i put a LOUD buzzer on the outside. I doubt it would "sneak" up on anyone.
[19:20] <jonsowman> tstowe: did you build that case?
[19:21] <tstowe> yes
[19:21] <jonsowman> it's fantastic
[19:21] <tstowe> rigid styrofoam...cuts like wood on a tablesaw
[19:21] <jonsowman> i mean i'm still concerned that it's a bit too rigid/hard
[19:21] <jonsowman> could cause damage to property
[19:21] <jonsowman> but it's beautifully manufactured
[19:21] <jonsowman> :)
[19:22] <Upu> that was my thought too :)
[19:22] <Upu> nice engineering, wouldn't want it on my head
[19:22] <fsphil-laptop> hah, like the way you keep the spot upright
[19:22] <tstowe> thanks
[19:22] <tstowe> the ring was a PVC connector
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[19:24] <tstowe> everything weighs about 3.5 lbs
[19:26] <Bob_G8NSV> cheers all see you tom
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[19:29] <tstowe> i see the point about it hitting someone but I like the idea of the tube
[19:30] <tstowe> i'm going to try to switch from the cameras I have to two GoPros and I'd like to mount them on opposite sides of the tube
[19:30] <fsphil-laptop> depends on your area I suppose. If your landing area is a wide desert then you could launch anything really
[19:31] <tstowe> it's not but I try to plan it where it lands away from populated areas
[19:31] <fsphil-laptop> I'd love to do a camera ball with gopros. Then project the video onto a large dome you can stand in
[19:31] <jonsowman> i'm up for helping with that
[19:31] <jonsowman> so cool
[19:31] <fsphil-laptop> it would be!
[19:32] <tstowe> you could mount one in a acrylic dome
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[19:32] <fsphil-laptop> I don't have the space for the dome or the equipment for projection
[19:32] <fsphil-laptop> the payload bit should be quite simple though
[19:33] <tstowe> mount the camera in the dome outside the payload
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[19:33] <tstowe> I've seen someone do something simialr with a SPOT mounted in a hamster ball
[19:33] <fsphil-laptop> would also need some serious math to stitch it together and adjust for projection
[19:34] <eroomde> http://www.cusf.co.uk
[19:34] <eroomde> rocket to be launched in first week of may updates
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[19:35] <eroomde> hedgehog (my wee tracker computer) is flying on each stage along with some other electronics
[19:36] <tstowe> how about make a large translucent wall and project through that?
[19:37] <fsphil-laptop> it would be nice to be able to stand inside and look around
[19:38] <fsphil-laptop> the video would have to be stabilised or it would be a bit uncomfortable :)
[19:38] <fsphil-laptop> but that could be done in software
[19:39] <tstowe> put it on a gimbal
[19:39] <Dan-K2VOL> there are commercial portable planetariums with fisheye lenses for LCD projectors perfect for that
[19:39] <Dan-K2VOL> inflatable planetariums
[19:39] <fsphil-laptop> oooh
[19:40] <tstowe> you could also attach it to a picavet system to stabalize the camera
[19:42] <fsphil-laptop> wonder how many gopros it would need
[19:42] <Upu> https://picasaweb.google.com/118244444241111963790/201203AvaLaunch2SummaryPics#5732081015781554066
[19:42] <tstowe> 170 degree field of view, so you'd need three
[19:43] <Randomskk> in theory
[19:44] <Randomskk> in reality probably a fair few more. also use them on 120 degrees to not have horrific distortion
[19:44] <Randomskk> five or six would probably do
[19:44] <tstowe> here's one I did from two photos: http://thetalon.smugmug.com/Misc/Space/Enhanced/12156950_cfZ4N8#!i=1231824031&k=mUQCs
[19:44] <Upu> sadly we had alot more cloud :)
[19:45] <daveake> yeah
[19:45] <tstowe> i also did this one: http://thetalon.smugmug.com/Misc/Space/Whale-Branch-Middle-School/14645196_gPfRpg#!i=1090272880&k=pi3qr
[19:45] <fsphil-laptop> cloud is a common feature here :)
[19:45] <Upu> I raise you with this tstowe : https://picasaweb.google.com/118244444241111963790/201203AvaLaunch2SummaryPics#5732081298772698690
[19:45] <Elmar_PD3EM_> schofieldau: still studying on your tracker code...
[19:46] <fsphil-laptop> what's really cool is that Buzz wasn't there when they launched
[19:46] <daveake> Love that Buzz "Falling With Style" one :)
[19:46] <tstowe> Upu very nice and I raise you this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-eQBgkdDT8
[19:46] <Upu> lol
[19:47] <Upu> Dave
[19:47] <Upu> 'ave him
[19:47] <tstowe> What the Duck is an online cartoon about photographers and photoshop
[19:47] <tstowe> the author sent me the figure and he signed the bottom
[19:47] <fsphil-laptop> frost on the window ;)
[19:48] <tstowe> here is our next passenger: http://thetalon.smugmug.com/Misc/Space/More-Testing/19696778_tL84KT#!i=1768765911&k=J7LDmTq
[19:48] <tstowe> i know... :(
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[19:48] <fsphil-laptop> you should try again without the window
[19:48] <daveake> tstowe I raise you with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz8RaVXa9us
[19:48] <daveake> I win
[19:48] <jonsowman> Laurenceb: did you get anywhere with the rtl sdr?
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[19:49] <tstowe> not so fast.... try this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYbog22u7yw
[19:49] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[19:49] <tstowe> (but I like yours too by the way)
[19:49] <fsphil-laptop> no fair, I've no videos :p
[19:50] <daveake> I still win
[19:51] <tstowe> mmm...I'm a photographer and I do photoshop so I like mine. :)
[19:51] <daveake> Next passenger - http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BmbQfTc3L._SL500_AA300_.jpg
[19:51] <fsphil-laptop> do I get points for the worst launch jump?: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fsphil/6468200977/in/set-72157628264170117
[19:51] <tstowe> plus, one day i can sell the duck on eBay
[19:51] <tstowe> :)
[19:52] <tstowe> fsphil...man, that was a lot of wind
[19:53] <tstowe> in the UK did they sell the little army men on parachutes?
[19:53] <fsphil-laptop> yea I thought that balloon was gonna bounce of the ground a few times
[19:53] <tstowe> I'd like to release one of those from 100,000 feet
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[19:55] <eroomde> bloody hell @daveake
[19:55] <daveake> wossat?
[19:56] <Morseman> tstowe Yes, they still sell them - Plus an expensive one called "Action Man"
[19:56] <eroomde> teddies in spacesuits
[19:56] <Elmar_PD3EM_> Quote of the day: " [15:43] <UpuWork> stop making me smile daveake its getting obvious to my work collegues I'm not actually working " <-- I had the same problem ;-)
[19:56] <eroomde> flown on a balloon
[19:56] <jonsowman> lol
[19:56] <eroomde> too much
[19:57] <daveake> Ready-made teddy-in-spacesuit bought at the Smithsonian last year
[19:57] <daveake> Is a bit podgy tho
[19:57] <jonsowman> i think eroomde might be referring to http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7767376.stm
[19:57] <jonsowman> perhaps
[19:57] <jonsowman> maybe
[19:58] <tstowe> looks heavy
[19:59] <jdtanner> Evening&thought a few of you might like this http://youtu.be/gacY6o3ZXP8?hd=1
[20:00] <Morseman> Looks like it works :-)
[20:00] <eroomde> looks heavy?
[20:01] <tstowe> the bear
[20:01] <jdtanner> (it was about 850-900g&a bottle of water)
[20:02] <Morseman> I guess the eye needs these things to focus on rather than just white and blue of the earth and the edge of space?
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[20:06] <Morseman> Imagine the insurance claim "The roof of my car was dented by a small green plastic android who seemed to fall from space..."
[20:07] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[20:07] <eroomde> the perfect crime really
[20:07] <eroomde> no one would know it came from spaaaaaaace
[20:08] <nigelvh> space ace ace ace ace
[20:09] <Morseman> You might also want to think about who you tell that you are watching teddies on Sky
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[20:10] <daveake> Someone's probably writing one up now .... "I was cyling along a quiet Berkshire lane when my vision was suddenly obsured by what turned out to be a photograph of some has-bean celebrity signed with a rather rude comment"
[20:10] <jdtanner> haha
[20:12] <eroomde> i can't wait to see that on tv when it comes out
[20:13] <eroomde> oh wait
[20:13] <eroomde> i can
[20:13] <fsphil-laptop> yes, you can
[20:13] <fsphil-laptop> either that or you've invented time travel
[20:13] <eroomde> my tv universe seems to be
[20:13] <eroomde> bbc1
[20:13] <eroomde> bbc2
[20:13] <eroomde> HERE BE DRAGONS
[20:13] <eroomde> bbc3
[20:13] <eroomde> bbc4
[20:13] <eroomde> cop-chase channels
[20:13] <eroomde> perfume sales
[20:13] <eroomde> porn
[20:13] <eroomde> back to bbc1
[20:14] <nigelvh> Porn channels!
[20:14] <fsphil-laptop> pretty much just bbc hd for me atm
[20:14] <fsphil-laptop> there's nothing good on the other channels at all
[20:14] <fsphil-laptop> I used to enjoy a bit of sci-fi on sky 1 but they don't show any now
[20:15] <eroomde> the do mad men
[20:15] <eroomde> or sky atlantic
[20:15] <eroomde> bbc4 is ok
[20:15] <eroomde> the beautiful minds stuff i saw t'other day was good
[20:15] <fsphil-laptop> bbc3 is awful for the most part. though i do like Good News
[20:16] <eroomde> the best thing documentary i've seen for about 2 years infact was a documentary called 'traces to nowhere' which was about the conductor carlos kleiber
[20:16] <eroomde> which even if you know nothing about music or conductors was wonderful
[20:16] <jdtanner> BBC3 = potty water
[20:18] <eroomde> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJLXbR_AB6Q
[20:18] <eroomde> first part on youtube
[20:18] <eroomde> if you want a 'i wouldn't normally watch this kind of thing but it was really inetresting' moment, i can't do more than give it a thumbs up
[20:19] <eroomde> and if you want to see what it's all about then just look how different to any other conductor you've ever seen he is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IomRh4Wir2M
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[20:23] <eroomde> he got paid about $1000000USD for that concert incidently, they said in the documentary
[20:24] <eroomde> i shall use him as the model for my consulting business
[20:24] <jdtanner> haha&that looks good
[20:25] <eroomde> this is amazing too - just makes me smile
[20:25] <eroomde> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqJK_s7I9EY
[20:25] <eroomde> the tempi he manages to get from the orchestra at the end is just ourageous
[20:25] <eroomde> i doubt anyone else could pull it off
[20:27] <jdtanner> (saved for later...)
[20:27] <eroomde> just watch from 5 mins if you xan't be bothered with the whole thing
[20:28] <eroomde> like the top comment says, how he can turn some bit of old strauss fluff into the most electric thing you've ever seen is astonishing
[20:30] <jdtanner> (unfortnately&I'm at the end of a bit of string for a broadband connection&so that will take a while)
[20:31] <fsphil-laptop> I got 300 baud out of a bit of string
[20:32] <jdtanner> about 100x faster than my BT conenction
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[20:32] <fsphil-laptop> aah BT
[20:32] <fsphil-laptop> the only really bad ISP I ever had where Talktalk
[20:33] <fsphil-laptop> I was with them twice, after they kept buying the ISPs I was fleeing to
[20:33] <jdtanner> hmm, in the peak district we haven;t got any choice
[20:33] <fsphil-laptop> really?
[20:34] <fsphil-laptop> I thought everywhere in the uk had a choice of isp
[20:34] <jdtanner> yep&no llu'd exchanges
[20:34] <jdtanner> yeah, choice of isp&same crappy lines
[20:34] <fsphil-laptop> true
[20:34] <fsphil-laptop> we don't have llu'ed lines here either
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[20:35] <fsphil-laptop> but I'm on the fttc service at the moment and it's great
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[20:35] <jdtanner> Well, the peaks is an area of 555sq miles &without any next gen capacity at all. >30% of people who live here get less than 1meg
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[20:36] <fsphil-laptop> sounds like a good area to setup a wireless isp
[20:36] <fsphil-laptop> though I guess you're limited to what antennas you can install in a national park
[20:37] <jdtanner> exactly
[20:37] <jdtanner> there is one&w3z&but it is&erm&well
[20:37] <fsphil-laptop> the opposite of good? :)
[20:37] <eroomde> doog
[20:37] <fsphil-laptop> there's a wifi access point up on the mountain not far from here. I've no idea who operates it
[20:37] <jdtanner> I couldn't comment&but I believe there have been a few issues
[20:38] <Morseman> fsphil-laptop unfortunately I'm with Talk-Talk now as well...
[20:38] <fsphil-laptop> Morseman, eek!
[20:38] <Upu> Downer
[20:38] <eroomde> no, mountain
[20:38] <Upu> Entanet FTTC 80/20 ftw!
[20:38] <Morseman> Wish they would stop using robots (both human and machine) to phone me up!
[20:38] <Upu> though in fairness I don't get 80
[20:38] <fsphil-laptop> Morseman, I'm not a customer and they still do that
[20:38] <eroomde> talk-talk presumably because 3khz bandwidth is all they can give you
[20:39] <fsphil-laptop> hehe
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[20:39] <daveake> lol
[20:39] <fsphil-laptop> global internet on HF ! (* some bandwidth limits may apply)
[20:39] <jdtanner> http://sheldonvillage.org.uk/broadband.html the current situation in my little village
[20:39] <Morseman> What's the opposite of LOL fsphil-laptop? You have my sympathy!
[20:39] <eroomde> just imagine it
[20:39] <eroomde> HEY GUYS. IONOSPHERE WIDE OPEN RIGHT NOW SO WE CAN WATCH YOUTUBE!!!
[20:40] <Upu> you know
[20:40] <Morseman> internet on HF? That's Icoms D-Talk isn't it?
[20:40] <Upu> jdtanner if people were willing to pay £40 pcm you could run a 100Mb fibre right to the middle
[20:41] <Upu> if everyone paid :)
[20:41] <jdtanner> &from where
[20:41] <Upu> your nearst POP its fibre doesn't matter
[20:41] <Upu> would cost £6k though
[20:41] <fsphil-laptop> yea we got that at work
[20:41] <fsphil-laptop> nice hardware they installed too
[20:41] <Nigel|Busy> http://imgur.com/gallery/wQtAi
[20:41] <eroomde> we have a 2mbps wireless net connection at work
[20:41] <Nigel|Busy> what on earth is that?!
[20:41] <Morseman> The only thing worse than TalkTalk seems to be Sky - even though the sat connection "should" be faster
[20:41] <eroomde> tis all we can get
[20:42] <eroomde> guaranteed though at least
[20:42] <jdtanner> Everyone would&but we are 8km from the Bakewell exchange
[20:42] <eroomde> up and down
[20:42] <eroomde> the bakewell exchange
[20:42] <eroomde> lol
[20:42] <Randomskk> sky internet isn't satellite is it?
[20:42] <Randomskk> satellite internet is crappy
[20:42] <eroomde> no
[20:42] <fsphil-laptop> sky is a regular isp
[20:42] <Randomskk> yea exactly
[20:42] <fsphil-laptop> ye ol telephone lines
[20:42] <Randomskk> Morseman said "sat connection"
[20:43] <fsphil-laptop> Nigel|Busy, I think I seen that before. You gotta take off, and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure
[20:43] <Nigel|Busy> hah yush!
[20:43] <fsphil-laptop> although they then made two sequels, so it wasn't that good an idea
[20:43] <Morseman> Sorry - alluding to the BSkyB thingy - whatsit
[20:43] <Nigel|Busy> whatever it is, it isnt human!!
[20:44] <Upu> what a rubbish exchange you're on :/
[20:44] <jdtanner> me...?
[20:44] <Upu> yes
[20:44] <jdtanner> I know&elastic bands
[20:44] <cuddykid> thanks for your great help earlier Upu :)
[20:44] <jdtanner> and selotape
[20:44] <Upu> welcome cuddykid
[20:44] <fsphil-laptop> might I interest you in my 300 baud string technology jdtanner
[20:44] <Upu> any chance to work out what went wrong ?
[20:44] <Morseman> Reminds me of a novel I read about a spaceship (or rather the second one) that came flying by and avians, plus a species that lived in a web...
[20:44] <eroomde> all happy and satisfied customers cuddykid ?
[20:45] <jdtanner> fsphil-laptop: haha&i think you'll have 38,000 takers!
[20:45] <cuddykid> Upu: not sure yet :S going to have a more detailed look tomorrow - I'm pretty sure it was in airborne mode and it all looked in tact on recovery
[20:45] <cuddykid> eroomde: yeah, thankfully!
[20:45] <fsphil-laptop> the launch altitude glitch was not caused by a mode problem though
[20:45] <Morseman> Now I'll have to go searching the book shelves for that sci-fi novel...
[20:45] <fsphil-laptop> and check your timestamp padding :)
[20:46] <cuddykid> definitely won't be doing another one of those though.. a lot of hassle
[20:46] <jonsowman> %2d -> %02d
[20:46] <jonsowman> profit, etc
[20:46] <cuddykid> :)
[20:47] <fsphil-laptop> I've heard telly people can be a hassle
[20:47] <Morseman> I think I see it... Arthur C. Clark4 and Gentry Lee "Rama II"
[20:47] <jdtanner> They can be a bloody pain
[20:47] <cuddykid> yeah
[20:48] <cuddykid> lets check this, and this and this - can we see this again
[20:48] <Morseman> Oops 4 = e
[20:48] <fsphil-laptop> did they film the launch cuddykid?
[20:48] <jdtanner> Every time I've dealt with the TV I've been burned
[20:48] <cuddykid> had to drill it in that when everything was started and sealed there was no going back/wasting time etc
[20:48] <eroomde> 'can we launch again?'
[20:48] <cuddykid> fsphil-laptop: yep
[20:48] <eroomde> 'we want to see the ascent from a different angle'
[20:48] <Morseman> TV people only care about 1 thing - themselves
[20:48] <fsphil-laptop> eroomde, I'm not sure if that's a joke :)
[20:48] <cuddykid> exactly eroomde :P
[20:48] <eroomde> i wish it was
[20:49] <cuddykid> they were nice people though
[20:49] <Morseman> I learned that at Pebble Mill At One with Scouts
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[20:49] <eroomde> did you meet gemma?
[20:49] <cuddykid> the gps was set into "airborne, 1G"
[20:50] <cuddykid> (according to jcoxon's code)
[20:50] <Morseman> We all went with climbing/sailing/canoeing and they spent all the time filming "dib dib dib" uniforms from the 1020s that we all hated
[20:50] <fsphil-laptop> does the code check that it actually went into that mode cuddykid?
[20:50] <Morseman> 1920s
[20:50] <cuddykid> no, don't think so
[20:50] <cuddykid> it's just "assumed"
[20:51] <cuddykid> guess that might be where the problem lies
[20:51] <fsphil-laptop> might be worth seeing if it responds with an ACK
[20:51] <jonsowman> yeah check it acks
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[20:52] <jonsowman> cuddykid: https://github.com/cuspaceflight/joey-m/blob/master/firmware/gps.c#L139
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[20:53] <Upu> cuddykid
[20:53] <Upu> http://pastebin.com/EuWUUXTx
[20:54] <choppyhorse> hello everyone. I am looking at pressure sensors and it seems you can get ones that are accurate from about 5kPa to atmosphere, or accurate from 0.5kPa to 10KPa or some lower range, but there is no one that is accurate from atm to 0.5kPa which is at 30km.
[20:54] <cuddykid> ahh yep, thanks guys
[20:54] <choppyhorse> anyone know some product which works?
[20:55] <Elmar_PD3EM_> i'm testing the Parallax MS5607 (10-1200 hPa)
[20:55] <nigelvh> Check out the ASDX015 from honeywell
[20:55] <nigelvh> not cheap but it's what I use.
[20:55] <jonsowman> Upu: might be wise to have a timeout on that
[20:55] <Upu> the time out is in the procedure that sets it
[20:55] <Morseman> I intend to ask Upu and fsphil to check my code before I fly it (no pressure then)
[20:55] <jonsowman> ah ok
[20:55] <Upu> me ?
[20:55] <Upu> haha
[20:55] <Upu> my coding is dire
[20:56] <eroomde> choppyhorse: a lot of them work below their stated minimum
[20:56] <Morseman> It'll probably be half inched from you anyway...
[20:56] <eroomde> but i've come to the conclusion that digital sensors are not the way to go if you want high accuracy over a large range
[20:56] <nigelvh> The ASDX series has a linear voltage output with baro pressure. Makes things really easy.
[20:58] <Morseman> I did think about a thermo couple and some form of resitance measurement (possibly voltage or current derived) and then looked at the specs. Maplins thermo couples don't go below 0 deg
[20:59] <choppyhorse> man, I'm trying to look at the datasheet for the ASDX and the Honeywell website seems to be down
[20:59] <eroomde> Morseman: hang on confused
[20:59] <eroomde> presumably we're not talking about pressure anymore?
[21:00] <nigelvh> http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Honeywell%20Sensing%20&%20Control%20PDFs/ASDX%20Series,%20Microstructure.pdf
[21:00] <Morseman> Sorry - I was talking about getting Ublox to work above "X" feet/metres
[21:01] <Morseman> Then about temperature sensors
[21:01] <choppyhorse> TY
[21:01] <eroomde> ah sorry i lost track
[21:01] <eroomde> yeah thermocouples on balloons seem like a slightly odd thing to do to me
[21:01] <eroomde> unless you are trying to do something quite specific
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[21:02] <eroomde> the cold junction would very likely be at the same temp as the sense junction
[21:02] <Morseman> The 'half inched' (stolen) comment was under your comment eroomde but only because of the time it took me to type it ;-)
[21:02] <eroomde> so your cold junction compensation sensor would basically be the thing that ends up meausring temperature directly anyway
[21:03] <eroomde> PT100 is The Thing (tm) for accurate temperature measurment on a balloon i think
[21:04] <Morseman> I use thermo-couples at work but haddn't thought about their temp range - was only thinking about possitive temps
[21:04] <eroomde> and a kelvin resistence circuit to drive it
[21:04] <eroomde> well they should in theiry have juge temp ranges
[21:04] <Randomskk> it's not so much about the fact that they're negative
[21:04] <Randomskk> just that your entire thing is at about the same temp
[21:04] <Randomskk> whereas in process monitoring or whatever you have room temp and thing temp
[21:04] <BrainDamage> thermocouples measure deltaT
[21:05] <BrainDamage> so in order to measure an absolute temp, you need either a precise reference, or measure your reference temp
[21:05] <BrainDamage> and since you have no deltaT in a balloon, why using a differential sensor in the first place?
[21:05] <eroomde> 21:02 < eroomde> the cold junction would very likely be at the same temp as the sense junction
[21:05] <eroomde> 21:02 < eroomde> so your cold junction compensation sensor would basically be the thing that ends up meausring temperature directly anyway
[21:05] <Randomskk> yea I was reiterating
[21:05] <eroomde> there seems to be an echo
[21:06] <BrainDamage> sorry, I just alt tabbed in
[21:06] <eroomde> :)
[21:07] <eroomde> but i think thermcouples would be a really fascinating way of measuring some precise delta Ts
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[21:07] <eroomde> say you have a couple of them inside a balloon at different heights
[21:07] <eroomde> all going to some common thermally grounded junction outside
[21:07] <eroomde> if you were trying to study the balloon thermodynamics in detail anyway
[21:10] <eroomde> also with such low convective losses i wonder how much of a concern self-heating is with absolute temp measurement
[21:10] <eroomde> maybe the milliamps going through a pt100 are too much if you want 0.05/C accuracy, say
[21:11] <BrainDamage> you don't need to do continous measurement
[21:11] <BrainDamage> you can send a short pulse
[21:11] <BrainDamage> so thermal capacity is what's holding your temp @ ambient
[21:11] <eroomde> that's true
[21:14] <Laurenceb_> i was looking at using a 0603 pt100 for airspeed sensing
[21:17] <eroomde> caliboom boom
[21:17] <Laurenceb_> lol
[21:17] <choppyhorse> in a cryo setup, which measures down to a few K, the sensor is held against a giant thermal mass which is also connected to your sample, and the wires wrap around the mass as they travel back to the controller. Apparently whatever currents are there can still give you 1/100 C accuracy
[21:17] <Laurenceb_> main problem looked like offset drift with ambient temperature
[21:18] <BrainDamage> all low temp setups I've seen are usually pulsed
[21:18] <BrainDamage> with low duty cycle
[21:18] <BrainDamage> it also has bonus you can do offset compensation and automagically does 1/f filtering
[21:19] <BrainDamage> so with a simple solution you get very precise measurement
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[21:32] <jdtanner> Just looking at NOTAMs&any of you chaps launching from ARDDLEEN?
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[21:40] <jdtanner> just wonderring&never heard of the place :)
[21:40] <Randomskk> wales eh
[21:40] <Randomskk> doesn't look like a big place :P
[21:41] <jdtanner> haha
[21:42] <Randomskk> most of the village: http://g.co/maps/pu4np
[21:43] <jdtanner> looks like a big place
[21:44] <fsphil-laptop> There's a HAB'er in there somewhere, and he's probably the only one
[21:44] <jdtanner> just look for the solder fumes
[21:45] <jdtanner> :)
[21:47] <choppyhorse> or they are just driving out there to launch where it is less populated
[21:49] <jdtanner> I was wondering, has anyone tried an Eire/Ireland to England/Wales flight?
[21:49] <jdtanner> (or the other way around)
[21:50] <Upu> yeah
[21:50] Action: Upu points at fsphil
[21:50] <fsphil-laptop> not successfully
[21:50] <Upu> still in the Yorkshire Dales somewhere
[21:50] <jdtanner> haha
[21:50] <fsphil-laptop> well successful in the sense that it got there :)
[21:50] <fsphil-laptop> the second time was a flyby
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[21:51] <jdtanner> Is that from England or to England?
[21:52] <fsphil-laptop> N.Ireland to England
[21:52] <jdtanner> Cool!
[21:52] <fsphil-laptop> the opposite would be more difficult
[21:52] <fsphil-laptop> the winds rarely go in that direction with any speed
[21:52] <jdtanner> if we got the whole of wales to blow?
[21:52] <jdtanner> ;)
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[21:53] <goupil> hi
[21:53] <fsphil-laptop> but with a proper cut-down mechanism I'm sure it'll work. Will try again, sometime when it's not a blizzard
[21:53] <fsphil-laptop> hiya goupil
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[21:58] <jdtanner> Well, give us a shout if we can help from this side
[21:59] <fsphil-laptop> most certainly will :)
[21:59] <fsphil-laptop> if you're ever in the yorkshire dales and fancy a walk in the country , give me a shout :)
[21:59] <jdtanner> :)
[21:59] <fsphil-laptop> may involve trespassing on farmland :)
[22:00] <jdtanner> I might be up there in a few weeks actually.
[22:00] <fsphil-laptop> http://www.flickr.com/photos/fsphil/5339784169/in/set-72157624515320914
[22:05] <Upu> oh before I shoot ARHAB updated the records page
[22:05] <Upu> 6 out of the top 10 were launched in the UK
[22:06] <Upu> night all
[22:06] <Randomskk> woo :D
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[22:30] <RocketBoy> fsphil-laptop: how far off landing was that prediction?
[22:30] <fsphil-laptop> don't know yet RocketBoy. it seemed quite steady as it came down
[22:31] <RocketBoy> sorry - I mean what altitude was contact lost?
[22:31] <fsphil-laptop> 1300m
[22:32] <fsphil-laptop> don't know what the error factor will be
[22:32] <fsphil-laptop> I'm fairly sure it's going to be in one of those fields or woods
[22:33] <fsphil-laptop> kf tne s
[22:33] <fsphil-laptop> if the sheep haven't eaten it
[22:33] <RocketBoy> Oh - that shoudln't have been a bad prediction - its not far off landing - its a lot flakier further back
[22:33] <fsphil-laptop> yea. the landing spot was moving slowly east a bit
[22:33] <RocketBoy> might be a bit more east
[22:34] <RocketBoy> yeah thats the tracker predictor - it needs a better air model in my oppinion
[22:35] <RocketBoy> I have been doing some work on landing spot prediction using the ascent drift - the results are better initially
[22:36] <RocketBoy> (upto at least 50% of the descent time)
[22:36] <fsphil-laptop> much better?
[22:36] <fsphil-laptop> not bad
[22:36] <RocketBoy> hang on I'll get a image
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[22:39] <RocketBoy> this is my prediction based on ascent drift and my air model
[22:39] <RocketBoy> http://imagebin.org/208420
[22:40] <RocketBoy> the prediction starts at "2" - which is 2 strings after burst
[22:40] <RocketBoy> 3 is 3 strings after burst etc
[22:40] <Morseman> If they build enough fans on sticks we can blow a balloon back towards Ireland...
[22:41] <fsphil-laptop> giant fan on the isle of man Morseman :)
[22:41] <fsphil-laptop> seems to lock in on the 22nd string
[22:41] <RocketBoy> well its never more than 1mile out
[22:42] <Morseman> There's 2 in Sheffield without blades, one that never seems to work and another large fan ready to blow back west ;-)
[22:42] <RocketBoy> even 30 mins before landing
[22:42] <RocketBoy> this is the same flight - animated
[22:42] <RocketBoy> using the tracker
[22:42] <RocketBoy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4ssN3wxSHU&context=C49e6857ADvjVQa1PpcFNK9WN6YqD0PdCXeZ3XkLfKZ7xuKn7u6vs=
[22:43] <Morseman> And I'm supposed to be an energy efficiency engineer - but what a waste of effort the ones in Sheffield are
[22:44] <RocketBoy> starts 20 miles incorrect and gets closer as time goes on
[22:44] <Morseman> let alone the stupidity of the ones on the new Uni (driven more by an EPC than the wind)
[22:44] <RocketBoy> anyways - if you have your flight data I could run it through my predictor if you want
[22:45] <fsphil-laptop> I've got the raw strings yea
[22:45] <fsphil-laptop> one sec
[22:46] <fsphil-laptop> there's a large gap in the middle due to bad signal, will that cause a problem?
[22:46] <Morseman> Most urban ones are plagued by problems for turbulance caused by local features/buildings but I have to give them almost mythical status in a building EPC. Phah.
[22:46] <RocketBoy> fsphil-laptop: the accuracy won't be as good
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[22:48] <Morseman> GN all
[22:48] <fsphil-laptop> nite Morseman
[22:48] <RocketBoy> GN
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[22:48] <fsphil-laptop> any perferred format RocketBoy?
[22:49] <fsphil-laptop> actually my file is missing quite a bit
[22:49] <RocketBoy> raw listener logs or csv
[22:49] <RocketBoy> :-(
[22:49] <fsphil-laptop> worth a try anyway
[22:49] <RocketBoy> sure
[22:49] <fsphil-laptop> last string is 3739m up
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[22:49] <fsphil-laptop> but I do have a position lower down
[22:49] <fsphil-laptop> I'll add that in
[22:50] <RocketBoy> email?
[22:52] <fsphil-laptop> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/hadie2.txt
[22:52] <fsphil-laptop> I'll see if I can dig out the last string
[22:57] <fsphil-laptop> this was reconstructed from partial telemetry: G4FVP : hadie,2100:15:28:30,54.383500,-2.039665,1300,1,12,?*0648
[22:58] <RocketBoy> cheers - I added that in
[22:58] <RocketBoy> give me a day or so
[22:59] <RocketBoy> gotta go to bed now
[22:59] <RocketBoy> night
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[22:59] <fsphil-laptop> thanks, and nite!
[22:59] <fsphil-laptop> could find this payload yet
[23:00] <fsphil-laptop> is the GFS wind data available from a year ago?
[23:00] <Randomskk> not readily
[23:00] <Randomskk> I don't know of anywhere that archives it
[23:00] <Randomskk> but in theory the noaa might
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