[00:00] <Darkside_VK5QI> pff
[00:00] <Darkside_VK5QI> not necessarily
[00:00] <Darkside_VK5QI> we've never had a HF payload with enugh tX powe for skywave
[00:01] <zindello> Mmm
[00:01] <zindello> Vertically polarised dipole should go a fair way though
[00:01] <Darkside_VK5QI> previous ones have worked via LOS, like the other payloads
[00:01] <zindello> Especially if you use 20, 15 or 10
[00:01] <Darkside_VK5QI> we want to fly 30m APRS
[00:04] <zindello> We still need to get a QSO happening on 30m :P
[00:05] <Darkside_VK5QI> yup
[00:05] <Darkside_VK5QI> tunellsssss
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[00:18] <Darkside_VK5QI> hi vk3evl
[00:18] <Darkside_VK5QI> ack
[00:18] <Darkside_VK5QI> VK3BA:
[00:19] <Darkside_VK5QI> you were chatting to 5BB on IRLP earlier?
[00:19] <Darkside_VK5QI> or am i ccnfused
[00:20] <VK3BA> G'day Mark, yep that was me (Nik VK3BA in Geelong)
[00:20] <Darkside_VK5QI> cool
[00:20] <Darkside_VK5QI> i was on the side
[00:21] <Darkside_VK5QI> listening
[00:21] <VK3BA> So was Grant... :-)
[00:21] <Darkside_VK5QI> hehe
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[00:24] <VK3BA> Nice day here - hopefully the balloon ends up in my back yard... but very unlikely. Looks like Adelaide wind is from NNW
[00:24] <Darkside_VK5QI> wind speed on the ground means very little
[00:25] <VK3BA> Ah righto
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[00:26] <zindello> As we saw last launch.
[00:26] <zindello> Just a bummer it floated ...
[00:28] <zindello> Hey mark here's a thought. Would it be possible to include "Float detection" into the cutdown payload? So that if for whatever reason you were unable to uplink then if it hit a float state it would cut down?
[00:29] <Darkside_VK5QI> risky but yes
[00:29] <zindello> Too big a risk of getting a false float condition?
[00:29] <Darkside_VK5QI> yup
[00:29] <Darkside_VK5QI> bbl
[00:29] <zindello> no worries
[00:29] <Darkside_VK5QI> at site
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[00:31] <schofieldau> Don't let the batteries in the chase car run flat :P
[00:39] <zindello> Lol mark your APRS thinks that you're at home :P
[00:40] <griffonbot> @vk5fsck: Horus 23 will be launching soon, you can trackit via http://t.co/E1YSem2x - more info at http://t.co/OensrM73 #hamr #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/vk5fsck/status/191325193602469888]
[00:42] <griffonbot> @zindello: RT @vk5fsck: Horus 23 will be launching soon, you can trackit via http://t.co/E1YSem2x - more info at http://t.co/OensrM73 #hamr #projec ... [http://twitter.com/zindello/status/191325498046025728]
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[00:44] <zindello> I see we have telemetry
[00:47] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: http://t.co/81tsBOfH Payloads all running! #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/191326758715400194]
[00:48] <schofieldau> hahaha
[00:48] <schofieldau> that's brilliant
[00:49] <VK3BA> VK3SL: G'day Les
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[00:51] <griffonbot> @zindello: RT @darksidelemm: http://t.co/81tsBOfH Payloads all running! #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/zindello/status/191327821799497729]
[00:51] <zindello> Haha
[00:51] <zindello> Nice
[00:52] <zindello> How big a baloon are they running today?
[00:52] <vk3sl> VK3BA: Hi Nik, I saw you in the list
[00:53] <VK3BA> VK3SL: Don't suppose you've got access to RMU 70cm P25 at all yet??
[00:55] <vk3sl> Of course not, I didn't know it existed! I may be able to listen to it though.
[00:58] <vk3sl> VK3BA: listening 432.250Mhz USB
[01:00] <zindello> OSIRIS?
[01:01] <VK3BA> VKSL: A bit later Les, I've got everything pointed towards Mt Barker at the mo...
[01:01] <vk3sl> Vk3BA: OK
[01:06] <griffonbot> @vk5fsck: RT @darksidelemm: http://t.co/81tsBOfH Payloads all running! #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/vk5fsck/status/191331748548853761]
[01:07] <zindello> Crap
[01:07] <zindello> My IGate just fell over :(
[01:07] <zindello> And nobody at home to reset it
[01:08] <VK3BA> Sounds like Murhpy is at your place - he could reset it... :-)
[01:08] <zindello> Heh
[01:08] <zindello> Well
[01:08] <zindello> Oh there we go
[01:08] <zindello> Looks like javAPRSSrvr only had a panic attack
[01:08] <zindello> I'm seeing data on the serial line after kicking it in the guts so we should be ok
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[01:14] <zindello> Welcome back :)
[01:14] Nick change: zindello -> zindello_VK3XJM
[01:15] <vk3evl> should i be listening for telematry on 434.650 or 434.075
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[01:18] <vk5gr-chase> telem is 434.075
[01:18] <vk3evl> thanks
[01:18] <vk3ywb> No sigs in Bacchus Marsh (VK3) heard as yet, monitoring 144,650 and 434.075 - Wenlock
[01:19] <zindello_VK3XJM> Well it's still on the ground, so that's not really suprising :P
[01:19] <vk3evl> lol
[01:19] <vk3evl> how long until launch?
[01:20] <vk3ywb> I thought it was at 360m alt, or doesn't the data on spacenear.us subtract the ground altitude?
[01:20] <vk3evl> above see level
[01:20] <zindello_VK3XJM> I'd say that's their current height above sea level
[01:20] <vk3evl> sea even
[01:21] <zindello_VK3XJM> If it's at 0m, that means it's wet, or about to be :P
[01:22] <vk3ywb> Right, now I'll wait for launch and seeI hear anything after that. Incidently, I haven't worked packet since I used Graphic Packet on a P75 in the 1990s, whats most popular setup these days?
[01:23] <zindello_VK3XJM> Check out the horus website
[01:23] <vk3ywb> I'd say one of the chase cars is wet then.
[01:23] <zindello_VK3XJM> But typically they use dl-fldigi
[01:23] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: http://t.co/9MlWcBG1 Setting up the payloads. #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/191335955884552193]
[01:23] <zindello_VK3XJM> http://projecthorus.org/?page_id=336
[01:24] <zindello_VK3XJM> Check out that link, it'll show you how they usually decode the packets in a distributed-listener arrangement
[01:24] <griffonbot> @zindello: RT @darksidelemm: http://t.co/9MlWcBG1 Setting up the payloads. #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/zindello/status/191336215272882176]
[01:27] <vk5gr-chase> not launched yet just finishing filling balloon
[01:28] <VK3BA> vk5gr-chase: Good luck with the launch :-)
[01:28] <griffonbot> @vk5gr: RT @darksidelemm: http://t.co/9MlWcBG1 Setting up the payloads. #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/vk5gr/status/191337092540928000]
[01:28] <vk3ywb> Interesting, no UHF SSB here though.
[01:28] <griffonbot> @vk5fsck: RT @darksidelemm: http://t.co/9MlWcBG1 Setting up the payloads. #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/vk5fsck/status/191337106747047936]
[01:29] <zindello_VK3XJM> 3ywb, what do you mean?
[01:29] <zindello_VK3XJM> You won't be able to hear it for a while yet. Not until it hits at least 20m
[01:29] <zindello_VK3XJM> 20km*
[01:29] <vk3ywb> Sri, I don't have UHF SSB capability.
[01:29] <zindello_VK3XJM> Ah
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[01:30] <vk3ywb> I'll be listening for the FM repeater.
[01:30] <griffonbot> @vk5gr: Chase cars ready #projecthorus balloon nearly filled http://t.co/M9vIVJBE [http://twitter.com/vk5gr/status/191337594620100609]
[01:30] <zindello_VK3XJM> Yeah, I would be listening but I'm actually in hospital at this very poit in time
[01:30] <griffonbot> @zindello: RT @vk5gr: Chase cars ready #projecthorus balloon nearly filled http://t.co/M9vIVJBE [http://twitter.com/zindello/status/191337675427545088]
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[01:31] <griffonbot> @shenki: RT @darksidelemm: http://t.co/9MlWcBG1 Setting up the payloads. #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/shenki/status/191337954403295232]
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[01:32] <griffonbot> @vk5fsck: RT @vk5gr: Chase cars ready #projecthorus balloon nearly filled http://t.co/M9vIVJBE [http://twitter.com/vk5fsck/status/191338273359134720]
[01:37] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: http://t.co/aNw80zA7 Tying off the balloon. #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/191339336065753088]
[01:38] <griffonbot> @zindello: RT @darksidelemm: http://t.co/aNw80zA7 Tying off the balloon. #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/zindello/status/191339576114167810]
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[01:40] <schofieldau> good luck guys
[01:41] <vk3ywb> Good luck!
[01:41] <zindello_VK3XJM> Good luck guys
[01:43] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: http://t.co/BPZOwptS About to take the balloon out. #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/191341017608364032]
[01:44] <Lunar_Lander_> GOOD LUCK!
[01:44] <Lunar_Lander_> XD
[01:45] <griffonbot> @zindello: RT @darksidelemm: http://t.co/BPZOwptS About to take the balloon out. #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/zindello/status/191341481590657025]
[01:46] <griffonbot> @vk5gr: #projecthorus balloon about to fly http://t.co/1V0laLJw [http://twitter.com/vk5gr/status/191341740937064449]
[01:48] <griffonbot> @zindello: RT @vk5gr: #projecthorus balloon about to fly http://t.co/1V0laLJw [http://twitter.com/zindello/status/191342081917202432]
[01:48] <Lunar_Lander_> Twitter forever!
[01:48] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[01:48] <vk3ywb> fldigi doesn't have packet or aprs as a mode.
[01:49] <griffonbot> @vk5fsck: RT @darksidelemm: http://t.co/BPZOwptS About to take the balloon out. #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/vk5fsck/status/191342325996335104]
[01:49] <schofieldau> balloon not showing on aprs.fi
[01:49] <griffonbot> @vk5fsck: RT @vk5gr: #projecthorus balloon about to fly http://t.co/1V0laLJw [http://twitter.com/vk5fsck/status/191342394724200448]
[01:49] <schofieldau> does it have an aprs payload?
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[01:51] <zindello_VK3XJM> To decode APRS you'll need something that can decode 1200 Baud AFSK
[01:52] <griffonbot> @vk5fsck: and... we have lift off for Horus 23 at 0152GMT http://t.co/E1YSem2x #hamr #projecthorus #adelaide [http://twitter.com/vk5fsck/status/191343303273349122]
[01:52] <VK3BA> Looks like it's just been launched
[01:53] <griffonbot> @zindello: RT @vk5fsck: and... we have lift off for Horus 23 at 0152GMT http://t.co/E1YSem2x #hamr #projecthorus #adelaide [http://twitter.com/zindello/status/191343391307612160]
[01:53] <zindello_VK3XJM> What is OSIRIS?
[01:53] <zindello_VK3XJM> Is that one of the other payloads?
[01:55] <schofieldau> HF one?
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[01:56] <veranderon> VK3VCL/P In location and operational. Is she up yet?
[01:56] <zindello_VK3XJM> Yep
[01:56] <veranderon> Excellent!
[01:59] <vk5gr-chase> balloon is in the air
[01:59] <vk5gr-chase> aprs is vk5agr-11
[01:59] <vk5gr-chase> sorry vk5arg-11
[01:59] <zindello_VK3XJM> Yep, they've already noticed on the APRS mailing list
[02:05] <zindello_VK3XJM> Chase cars only just leving?
[02:05] <zindello_VK3XJM> leaving*
[02:05] <Lunar_Lander_> OHHH NO
[02:05] <Lunar_Lander_> the XABEN is deleted from the tracker!
[02:05] <Lunar_Lander_> :(
[02:06] <zindello_VK3XJM> XABEN?
[02:07] <Lunar_Lander_> yea the flight that broke the world record yesterday
[02:07] <zindello_VK3XJM> Ah
[02:08] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[02:08] <Lunar_Lander_> btw, I found something in my balloon papers
[02:08] <Lunar_Lander_> http://s.gullipics.com/image/h/0/t/5ztobz-j5yf81-ja9p/img.png just above the cursor there
[02:09] <VK3BA> Of all the days that a couple of locals had to have a chat on 144.650 it had to be today - just when I thought I was starting to hear the balloon...
[02:09] <zindello_VK3XJM> That's kinda cool
[02:09] <Darkside_VK5QI> VK3BA: tell them to stop
[02:09] <Darkside_VK5QI> lol
[02:10] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[02:10] <Lunar_Lander_> I thought I was misreading
[02:10] <Lunar_Lander_> when I read "Fukushima" I read more closely
[02:10] <Lunar_Lander_> and there it was
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[02:14] <zindello_VK3XJM> Hey Mark
[02:14] <zindello_VK3XJM> What's the OSIRIS bit listed?
[02:14] <VK5MAR> Hi Guys , all sounds well my location - woodcroft sa 5162
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[02:18] <vk5gr-chase> second test payload includes uplink mode for command testing
[02:19] <vk5gr-chase> thats the osiris payload
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[02:21] <veranderon> Can someone please verify Telemetry DL freq today pls?
[02:22] <vk5gr-chase> telem dl today 434.075.8 on usb
[02:22] <veranderon> TY chase
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[02:25] <griffonbot> @vk5gr: #ProjectHorus Balloon altitude 10km - range 500km and growing [http://twitter.com/vk5gr/status/191351403938189313]
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[02:25] <vk3ywb> Nothing heard at Bacchus Marsh as yet.
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[02:28] <VK5MAR> 60 db in woodcroft sa
[02:29] <vk3ywb> noisy packet on 145.175 (Ic92AD on rubber ducky)
[02:30] <Darkside_VK5QI> oh man
[02:31] <Darkside_VK5QI> a guy in whyalla just pinged the cutdown board!
[02:31] <Darkside_VK5QI> niiice
[02:31] <VK3BA> What?
[02:31] <veranderon> Heard VK3BA or someone calling him 5/9 a minute ago. (Ballarat)
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[02:32] <veranderon> Hearing VK3BA now
[02:32] <VK3BA> veranderon: yep, that'd be me - and again just now
[02:32] <VK3BA> I'm still not hearing it though...
[02:32] <veranderon> Excellen.. Location?
[02:33] <VK3BA> Hamlyn Heights on the western fringe of Geelong
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[02:33] <veranderon> Im getting fluctuating signals washing in and out. Yours is predominatly the strongest. Im On Mt Warrenheip
[02:34] <vk3ywb> More packets, no FM repeater heard as yet.
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[02:34] <vk3ywb> FT290R and Diamond X50
[02:34] <VK3BA> Just hear VK3VCL on the uplink
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[02:36] <Gillerire> what is the estimated burst height?
[02:36] <Darkside_VK5QI> 30km
[02:37] <vk5gr-chase> vk3ba footprint doesnt yet put you inside the balloons radio horizojn
[02:38] <VK3BA> vk5gr-chase: no worries - gotta try though... :-))
[02:38] <Darkside_VK5QI> vk5gr-chase: uplink is woring
[02:38] <Darkside_VK5QI> working
[02:38] <Darkside_VK5QI> i can hit it with 1W
[02:38] <Darkside_VK5QI> well, <1W
[02:39] <vk5gr-chase> watch for police in the roadwords guys
[02:39] <vk5gr-chase> still climbing
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[02:39] <Lunar_Lander_> and it's above white sands
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[02:39] <Lunar_Lander_> wb heathkid|2
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[02:40] <vk3ywb> Strong packets now, swapped to FT290 on X50 ant.
[02:40] <vk5gr-chase> ballon has just cross the murray river
[02:40] <vk5gr-chase> 14km altitude
[02:42] <VK5MAR> still
[02:42] <veranderon> VK3BA: Your 5/9 on input here. good signal
[02:43] <VK5MAR> still +60db Woodcroft SA
[02:43] <Darkside_VK5QI> hehe
[02:43] <VK3BA> veranderon: thanks
[02:45] <vk3ywb> Swapped X50 to IC-92AD, still hearing packets on the 290, a bit noisy. No repeater yet.
[02:47] <vk3ywb> The 290 is on a 1/4 wave whip and still hearing packets. 92AD on Diamond X50
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[02:49] <veranderon> RX VX traffic now - Ballarat. Patchy but loud
[02:49] <Darkside_VK5QI> vk5gr-chase: can you please remind matt that his speed is visible on the tracker
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[02:52] <vk5gr-chase> yup
[02:55] <veranderon> VK5ARG, VK5APR (?) signal oscilating . ALso now VK5KF
[02:55] <VK5MAR> still +60db Woodcroft SA
[02:56] <vk3ywb> I must be be in the shade of the Great Divide, still hearing packets but no FM downlink. I did try a call on the uplink.
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[03:01] <VK5MAR> still +60db Woodcroft SA signal very readable
[03:03] <vk3sl> starting to hear voice at Surrey Hills
[03:03] <VK3BA> vk3sl: same - just starting to hear it as well (Geelong)
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[03:05] <vk3sl> VK3BA: just making it Nik
[03:05] <VK3BA> Thanks LEs
[03:08] <VK3BA> Now hearing telemetry DL
[03:11] <veranderon> VK3BA: Are you having any luck with Telemetry? Really weak here for some reason.
[03:12] <schofieldau> hey Darkside
[03:12] <schofieldau> how's it going?
[03:13] <VK3BA> veranderon: RXing the 70cm telemetry ok, about 4x1. Still struggling with the rptr DL - bit of QSB yet... heard 5ARG, 5BB & 5FSKI, 5GF
[03:13] <veranderon> ACk.
[03:14] <vk3evl-2> nothing yet in ferntree gully (but i am using a vertical)
[03:18] <vk3sl> Voice is strong in Surrey Hills, big desense problem on uplink. Nik was noisy and breaking.
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[03:18] <veranderon> Seems to be getting worse. Very patchy
[03:22] <veranderon> VK3BA: Crikey, Had the cans on and you nearly blew my head off :)
[03:22] <VK3NFI> faint voices on downlink in Gippsland
[03:22] <VK3NFI> getting stronger
[03:22] <vk3sl> VK3BA: Breaking through repeater, obvious desense problem I think.
[03:23] <VK3BA> veranderon: yep good signal here in the geelong now - about 56
[03:27] <vk3evl> just starting to hear voice in ferntree gully. not readable
[03:28] <vk3evl> no telemetry
[03:28] <vk3sl> It sounds like a continous carrier on the uplink - interference? Deliberate?
[03:29] <vk3evl> heard vk3pi on uplink
[03:30] <veranderon> Ok. Good data here finally. Local issue possibly
[03:31] <Darkside_VK5QI> ok
[03:31] <Darkside_VK5QI> hey
[03:31] <Darkside_VK5QI> vk5gr-chase: i'm uplinking fine
[03:31] <vk3ywb> I used to see Mark at the WANSARC meetings years ago
[03:31] <Darkside_VK5QI> at 5W and 50W :P
[03:32] <Darkside_VK5QI> ok i' stopping my uplink tests now
[03:32] <Darkside_VK5QI> i need to concentrate on the balloon
[03:32] <VK3BA> veranderon: how are you going with the rptr DL now?
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[03:33] <vk3ywb> Still hearing packets on indoor ant, but no voice even on outdoor ant.
[03:34] <vk3evl> i'm hearing voice but no data
[03:35] <vk3evl> 434.075 USB???
[03:35] <veranderon> VK3BA: I re-tasked my main antenna to tracking, so am working out something to uplink to RPT now.
[03:35] <vk5gr-chase> great stuff mark
[03:39] <vk3evl> voice 4 and 0 in ferntree gully
[03:39] <VK3BA> vk3sl: the only thing I can think of is that 438.9 is a d-star primary simplex channel - hardly likely that it would be continuous all this time though.
[03:41] <vk5gr-chase> oh no the LZ for horus23 is the same place that horus 16 was supposed to land
[03:41] <vk3evl> dare i ask why that is an issue?
[03:41] <vk3sl> VK3BA: yeah, I can hear the carrier behind remaining in the tail after the input signal (and subtone) stop.
[03:44] <schofieldau> vk3evl: horus 16 floated
[03:44] <schofieldau> a loooong way
[03:44] <VK3BA> It's on it's way down now
[03:44] <vk3evl> ahhhhh
[03:44] <schofieldau> http://projecthorus.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/horus_launches.jpg
[03:45] <VK3BA> Just heard Greggo MTV in Mildura
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[03:46] <vk3evl> bugger.... never got data and received voice for a short time
[03:47] <vk3ywb> Still hearing packets, tried to set up AGPW for packet, but it doesn't like my laptops sound.
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[03:48] <vk3sl> VK3BA: broken :-(
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[03:51] <VK3BA> vk3sl: yep, still managed to make a contact with Michael 5ZEA in Port Lincoln - 884kms between us
[03:51] <vk3evl-2> showing a bit of ignorance here.
[03:52] <vk3evl-2> does the payload have a parachute for when the baloon bursts
[03:53] <vk3sl> vk3evl-2: yes
[03:53] <vk3evl-2> thanks
[03:55] <vk3ywb> jUST HEARD vk3vcr, BUT i THINK HE
[03:55] <vk3ywb> he's on downlink.
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[03:56] <vk3ywb> Very noisy packets now.
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[03:59] <vk3ywb> That packet was right down in the noise
[03:59] <vk3ywb> Stronger.
[04:00] <veranderon> Thanks for a fun day gents. I hope it was a good flight for your team. '73 from VK3VCL/P :)
[04:01] <VK3BA> veranderon: Good on ya Wayne - catch you at the Winter FD !!
[04:02] <veranderon> VK3BA: U2. Cheers
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[04:02] <vk3ywb> Looking forward to the next one!
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[04:06] <VK5MAR> still +60db Woodcroft SA audio great
[04:07] <VK5MAR> 20db Woodcroft SA
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[04:09] <VK5MAR> signal 7 at Woodcroft SA using 10 element yagi aim at horus 11 m high
[04:09] <VK3BA> Job well done with Horus23 !!!! Cheers all.
[04:10] <VK5MAR> signal 7 at Woodcroft SA using 10 element yagi aim at horus 11 m high - well done guys
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[04:11] <VK5MAR> signal 3 at Woodcroft SA
[04:12] <VK5MAR> signal 1 at Woodcroft SA
[04:13] <vk3ywb> Heard another packet, it's only 7km up , and I never heard audio.
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[04:16] <VK5MAR> loss of signal at 5.6km Woodcroft SA
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[04:19] <shenki> o/
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[04:29] <vk3evl-2> apparently the baloon cant decide where it wants to land
[04:30] <shenki> yeah. leading us on a bit of a goose chase
[04:30] <shenki> into the paddock, out of the paddock
[04:32] <vk3evl-2> what's happened to AKH... he seems to have taken a nap
[04:34] <vk3evl-2> or has he stopped sending position data
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[04:35] <shenki> slowest decent ever
[04:35] <shenki> going to try to drive along under the balloon to get some good photos
[04:36] <shenki> vk3evl-2: AKH is here with us on my map
[04:36] <vk3evl-2> yeah he just started tracking on mine
[04:38] <shenki> ok
[04:40] <shenki> we have visual
[04:42] <SamSilver> we need video
[04:44] <vk3evl-2> looks like touchdown?
[04:44] <shenki> ep
[04:45] <shenki> chatting to a farmer about access to the paddock
[04:46] <vk3sl> It looks like it is stuck in the fence ;-)
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[04:51] <vk3evl-2> do you ever have any trouble gaining access for retreival?
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[05:05] <SamSilver> payload on the move again
[05:05] <SamSilver> floating at 64m
[05:05] <SamSilver> asl
[05:06] <vk3evl-2> in a straight line to the car
[05:06] <vk3evl-2> :)
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[05:06] <schofieldau> it's a floater, cutdown! cutdown!
[05:06] <schofieldau> :P
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[05:08] <Lunar_Lander__> XD!
[05:08] <SamSilver> inttemp up to 41 deg c
[05:08] <Lunar_Lander__> OHHH
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[05:11] <vk3sl> I have lost my tracking, keep those reports coming!
[05:13] <vk3evl-2> it's amazing.... a mircale even
[05:13] <SamSilver> floated right into one of the cars
[05:13] <vk3evl-2> the baloon floated right to one of the cars
[05:13] <vk3evl-2> ;)
[05:15] <drlizau> definitely a miracle after the balloon has gone pop
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[05:17] <Darkside_VK5QI> all recovered
[05:18] <Darkside_VK5QI> lol
[05:18] <Darkside_VK5QI> it was left on
[05:18] <Darkside_VK5QI> its still on
[05:19] <schofieldau> yay!
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[05:31] <heathkid> what is the altitude the weather balloons "pop"?
[05:31] <heathkid> 100k feet?
[05:32] <heathkid> average
[05:33] <heathkid> are there really 102 other people in here that thinks that *high altitude*?
[05:33] <heathkid> about 19 miles up?
[05:36] <heathkid> my goal is 100 miles up.... anyone interested in helping?
[05:36] <heathkid> yes.... LEO
[05:37] <heathkid> PM me if you're interested... I've already got a small team together and have a pretty good idea of how to do it.
[05:37] <heathkid> 'nite all...
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[05:42] <Darkside_VK5QI> well that was fun
[05:42] <Darkside_VK5QI> we saw it coming down
[05:42] <daveake> nice :)
[05:42] <Darkside_VK5QI> i'm dumping the habitat data now
[05:42] <Darkside_VK5QI> so i can make up a kml file of it
[05:42] <juxta-chasecar> I like turtles
[05:42] <Darkside_VK5QI> juxta-chasecar: we know
[05:43] <juxta-chasecar> oh good!
[05:43] <Darkside_VK5QI> so, is that alan or terry?
[05:43] <juxta-chasecar> We're off, cya guys :)
[05:43] <juxta-chasecar> congrats again Darkside_VK5QI
[05:43] <juxta-chasecar> it's Terry
[05:43] <Darkside_VK5QI> oh, you havent left yet
[05:43] Nick change: Darkside_VK5QI -> Darkside
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[05:46] <schofieldau> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-altitude_airship
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[05:55] <Darkside> vk5gr-chase: shenki http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/display/1334468382-16910-
[05:56] <Darkside> http://pipe2.darklomax.org/dump/glideslope.jpg
[05:57] <shenki> Darkside: cool
[05:57] <vk5gr-chase> having a look now
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[06:00] <vk5gr-chase> love the kmz file
[06:01] <Darkside> the extrusion bit needs to be a bit more translicent
[06:01] <Darkside> but oh well
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[06:12] <Darkside> vk5gr-chase: can you get into RMB any better than us
[06:13] <vk5gr-chase> starting ton now
[06:13] <Darkside> i'd like to know from vk5gh how many contacts were made through the repeater
[06:14] <Lunar_Lander__> flight successful?
[06:14] <Darkside> yes
[06:14] <Lunar_Lander__> cool!
[06:14] <Lunar_Lander__> well done :)
[06:14] <Lunar_Lander__> what were the objectives?
[06:15] <Darkside> flying releater
[06:15] <Darkside> we had about 40-50 unique stations call in
[06:16] <Lunar_Lander__> cool!
[06:16] <Lunar_Lander__> from all around australia?
[06:20] <vk5gr-chase> 3 states - vk5/3/2 were covered
[06:20] <vk5gr-chase> ~800km range
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[06:25] <Darkside> vk5gr-chase: we'll work out some nice way of visualizing the data
[06:26] <Lunar_Lander__> cool
[06:26] <griffonbot> @vk5gr: #projecthorus great flight today - 70+ radio contacts thru rptr and excellent video obtained from landing stay tuned vimeo next 2-3 days [http://twitter.com/vk5gr/status/191412148356915200]
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[06:39] <cef> Darkside: good job! :D
[06:42] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: RT @vk5gr: #projecthorus great flight today - 70+ radio contacts thru rptr and excellent video obtained from landing stay tuned vimeo ne ... [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/191416062548516864]
[06:42] <schofieldau> looking forward to the footage
[06:43] <Darkside> it was pretty incredible watching it from the ground
[06:43] <Darkside> it just... floated
[06:43] <Darkside> schofieldau: i think we'll be doing some smaller cutdown launches over the next week or two
[06:43] <Darkside> though they might be midweek
[06:44] <Darkside> i guess you'll have school
[06:46] <Lunar_Lander__> what sort of cutdown?
[06:50] <schofieldau> Darkside: yup school starts on the 23rd I think. although I could probably get out of it for 'research'
[06:50] <schofieldau> also, anybody here into radiohead? they're playing live at coachella right now - http://www.youtube.com/coachella
[06:55] <navrac> darkside - how did the uplink go?
[06:55] <Darkside> navrac: veyr well
[06:55] <navrac> oh good!
[06:55] <Darkside> very*
[06:56] <Darkside> i managed to uplink to it with one of the other cutdown boards too!
[06:56] <navrac> nice one - what sort of range?
[06:56] <Darkside> with a 1/4 wave antenna on it
[06:56] <Darkside> that was when we were almost directlyt below is
[06:56] <Darkside> below it*
[06:56] <Darkside> so maybe 25km
[06:56] <Darkside> but i had a guy in whyalla sending packets a lot
[06:56] <Darkside> and he was maybe 350km away
[06:57] <navrac> wow!
[06:57] <Darkside> dunno what power he was doing
[06:57] <Darkside> prolly 50W
[06:57] <navrac> well with 50w it was theoretically possible
[06:57] <navrac> so I'm glad to see my faith in the rfm was correct!
[06:58] <navrac> well done. Solves the uplink problem really nicely
[06:58] <navrac> and cheasply
[07:03] <heathkid> really? NOTHING???
[07:03] <heathkid> 19 miles up is "High Altitude"
[07:03] <heathkid> fine
[07:03] <heathkid> have fun
[07:05] <Darkside> heathkid: its the highest you'll get with a latex balloon
[07:05] <Darkside> you might get 50km with a zero-pressure
[07:06] <Darkside> any higher and you need BIG rockets
[07:06] <Darkside> funding then becomes impractical, and you have to deal with whoever regulates space stuff
[07:10] <SpeedEvil> All you need is to do an internet startup, and then you too can be on your way to mars!
[07:10] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn7obiurdxg
[07:12] <heathkid> I never said I was going to use a latex balloon
[07:13] <heathkid> well, for the first stage yes... but no rockets
[07:13] <Darkside> then how do you plan to get to 100km?
[07:13] <heathkid> ;)
[07:13] <Darkside> free energy?
[07:13] <Darkside> perpetual motion machines?
[07:13] <Darkside> magic?
[07:14] <Darkside> or did someone build a space elevator and not tell the world
[07:14] <heathkid> ;)
[07:14] <Darkside> you see, you do that wink emoticon, but it doesn't convince me in any way
[07:15] <heathkid> balloon assist... then the real stuff
[07:15] <Darkside> like... rockets?
[07:15] <heathkid> no rockets
[07:15] <Darkside> then what?
[07:15] <heathkid> you'll see
[07:16] <Darkside> uh huh
[07:16] <heathkid> Darkside: it doesn't take rockets
[07:17] <Darkside> what will you use then
[07:17] <heathkid> nothing
[07:17] <Darkside> elastic bands
[07:17] <SpeedEvil> Even at balloon altitudes, there is too much air for railgun type approaches
[07:17] <heathkid> exactly that
[07:17] <Darkside> lots of elastic bands
[07:17] <SpeedEvil> Also - railguns are stupidly heavy
[07:18] <heathkid> let me do a launch....
[07:18] <heathkid> first attemp will be for 500k feet
[07:19] <heathkid> 2nd will be for 100 miles.... LEO
[07:19] <heathkid> no rockets involved
[07:19] Nick change: DanielRi1hman -> DanielRichman
[07:20] <heathkid> 'nite
[07:20] Action: heathkid does have to sleep sometimes
[07:20] <Darkside> hah
[07:20] <heathkid> hah?
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[07:21] <heathkid> I'm going to bed and there are over a hundred of you not *thinking* this through
[07:22] <heathkid> good night....
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[07:35] <jcoxon> morning
[07:36] <PD3EM> morning jcoxon
[07:36] <Darkside> hey jcoxon
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[07:38] <daveake> morning
[07:39] <Darkside> hey
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[07:41] <SamSilver> Morning
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[07:42] <jcoxon> tempted to launch this morning but its a bit too gusty
[07:43] <jcoxon> so no launch - will postpone to another day
[07:44] <PD3EM> its a pity but what you expected yesterday jcoxon
[07:44] <Darkside> any other launches tonight?
[07:44] <Darkside> well, today for uou
[07:44] <Darkside> you
[07:44] <jcoxon> no launches are planned for today
[07:44] <jcoxon> cuddykid was planning to launch tomorrow
[07:44] <Darkside> ok
[07:44] <Darkside> HABE
[07:44] <Darkside> ?
[07:45] <jcoxon> PD3EM, been testing the new transmitter - much more power
[07:45] <jcoxon> i think it'll work better next time
[07:45] <PD3EM> great! what tx?
[07:45] <PD3EM> what/which
[07:46] <Darkside> also the uplink stuff worked really well
[07:46] <Darkside> RFM22Bs are the way forward i think
[07:46] <PD3EM> used for the repeater Darkside?
[07:46] <Darkside> nah
[07:46] <Darkside> repeater was entirely separate
[07:46] <PD3EM> ok
[07:47] <Darkside> uplink was a test for a cutdown device
[07:47] <Darkside> i really don't like timer or altitude based cutdowns
[07:47] <jcoxon> Darkside, oooo
[07:47] <Darkside> so i want a reliable uplink, with which i can trigger the cutdown myself
[07:47] <jcoxon> how did you do the software side?
[07:47] <Darkside> eh?
[07:47] <jcoxon> similar to navrac ?
[07:47] <PD3EM> would indeed be the best at the moment you want a cutdown
[07:48] <Darkside> jcoxon: i did 2 methods
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[07:48] <Darkside> one was usign another cutdown board, and commanding that
[07:48] <Darkside> that did work
[07:48] <fsphil-laptop> Darkside, was the uplink the rfm22b in a box or the signal played back on a proper radio?
[07:48] <Darkside> but the othet method was using a replayed signal on a IC-7000
[07:48] <Darkside> and that worked WAY better
[07:48] <Darkside> worked really well
[07:48] <Darkside> was pinging it all flight
[07:48] <jcoxon> Darkside, was it just a recorded message?
[07:49] <Darkside> and had a guy in Whyalla (350km away) pinging it too
[07:49] <Darkside> jcoxon: i recorded a few generated packets
[07:49] <jcoxon> okay cool
[07:49] <Darkside> contains an instruction number, and a comment field
[07:49] <jcoxon> we need to reverse hte protocol :-)
[07:49] <Darkside> which in this case was a callsign
[07:49] <Darkside> its in teh datasheet
[07:49] <jcoxon> be able to do it on the fly
[07:49] <Darkside> i'm looking at that too
[07:49] <Darkside> using gnuradio
[07:49] <Darkside> and its GMSK modulator blocks
[07:49] <Darkside> ok bbl
[07:49] <Darkside> unpacking truck
[07:49] <Upu> morning
[07:50] <fsphil-laptop> morn!
[07:50] <jcoxon> whats nice is that once this develops even pico payloads can do repeating
[07:51] <Upu> indeed
[07:51] <schofieldau> http://dmitry.co/index.php?p=./04.Thoughts/07.%20Linux%20on%208bit heh. linux on an 8-bit microcontroller
[07:51] <daveake> morning
[07:51] <PD3EM> bbl
[07:52] <daveake> Steve left Xaben's batteries in my car. Think I'd get much for them on ebay? :p
[07:52] <Upu> morning Dave
[07:52] <Upu> lol
[07:52] <Upu> Dear Energizer...
[07:54] <Upu> Dave did Mondo have a camera on it ?
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[07:54] <daveake> Not that I saw. Seemed to have a foam circle over the camera hole
[07:54] <Upu> ok
[07:54] <Upu> do we know if he recovered ?
[07:55] <daveake> Dunno I missed that part
[07:55] <Upu> I mailed him with some feed back on the radios he was using
[07:56] <daveake> Some strangeness on those?
[07:56] <Upu> yeah
[07:56] <Upu> 50 baud looked like 300 baud all splashed out
[07:56] <Upu> and they totally lost the plot at burst
[07:56] <Upu> was 5 mins where it looked like DominoEX
[07:56] <daveake> That is strange. What radio?
[07:56] <Upu> some custom thing
[07:57] <Upu> Xaben was much weaker but much clearer
[07:57] <Upu> http://www.mkconsultants.eu/default.aspx
[07:57] <daveake> Wonder how Michael feels, only holding the UK record for half an hour or soemthing, and then missing out on the world when the balloon burst during the last string
[07:58] <Upu> he beat the record but sadly not officially
[07:58] <Upu> I'd be happy with it
[07:58] <daveake> yes, he should be
[07:58] <Upu> it clearly had an altitute more than the record
[07:58] <daveake> yep
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[07:59] <Upu> Going to guess he uses these : http://www.mkconsultants.eu/products/527-gt1.aspx
[07:59] <Darkside> jcoxon: the issue with the RFM22Bs is the drift
[07:59] <Upu> as they match the frequences he was using
[07:59] <Darkside> its hard to compensate for that
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[07:59] <Upu> worth noting they are 25mW modules
[08:00] <Upu> or maybe its not worth noting that
[08:00] <Upu> and maybe I should shut up
[08:00] <Darkside> he said his helix was bad enough to limit to 10mW output power :P
[08:00] <Darkside> haha
[08:00] <daveake> :)
[08:00] <Darkside> hey, the RFM22Bs can do 100mW :-)
[08:00] <Darkside> just the drift all over the place when doing that much output power
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[08:01] <daveake> [08:28] <Upu> he doesn't keep to the speed limits :) (hi Dave looking back through Zeus logs)
[08:01] <number10> Darkside: on your uplink do you keep the receiver fixed on one frequency - or do you returne to find the uplink sig?
[08:01] <daveake> lol
[08:01] <Upu> haha
[08:01] <Upu> check fsphil's comment just after daveake
[08:01] <Darkside> number10: Ueh?
[08:01] <daveake> [08:28] <fsphil-laptop> hi dave from the future
[08:01] <Upu> :)
[08:01] <Darkside> number10: the payload sits on one frequency
[08:01] <Darkside> but it drifts
[08:01] <fsphil-laptop> omg it worked!
[08:01] <daveake> [08:33] <Upu> someone call Dave and tell him he overshot
[08:02] <number10> you transmit to the payload - is the reciever in the payload one freq Darkside
[08:02] <Darkside> i use an IC-7000 to receive the RTTY the payload is sending down
[08:02] <fsphil-laptop> take that Einstein
[08:02] <daveake> Yeah .... I was looking to see where Steve was. Found him a few seconds later coming the other way :)
[08:02] <Upu> fsphil you manage to send a message into the future :)
[08:02] <Darkside> i'm going to write a big blog post on how it all works
[08:02] Action: Upu pats Darkside
[08:02] <number10> thats good Darkside
[08:02] <Darkside> i'm almost willing to send some of these boards off to the UK if anyone is interested
[08:02] <Darkside> the key point being they have no GPS :-)
[08:03] <Upu> what GPS module do they use ?
[08:03] <Upu> or don't they
[08:03] <Darkside> not sure if trolling
[08:03] <Upu> sorry
[08:03] <Darkside> no gps onboard
[08:03] <number10> daveake: I was wondering in chascar.c do you have #DEFINE MAX 112 // km
[08:03] <Darkside> tbh wouldn't be hard to hack one of your modules on Upu
[08:03] <Upu> these are the cut down boards
[08:03] <Upu> ?
[08:03] <Darkside> the UART and power are all broken out
[08:03] <Darkside> so you could just wire one in
[08:03] <Upu> ok
[08:03] <Darkside> would be dead simple
[08:04] <Darkside> in fact i might do that
[08:04] <Darkside> i have enough NEO-6Q breakouts floating around the place
[08:04] <Upu> maybe its early but what does it need a GPS for if its just a remote cut down board , you turning it into a tracker ?
[08:04] <Darkside> well i could..
[08:05] <Darkside> it means it goes from being just a cutdown board to being an all-in-one cutdown and tracker board
[08:05] <Upu> got you
[08:05] <Darkside> i'm sure i could hack a MAX-6Q onto it somewhere
[08:05] <Darkside> i'd just remove the boost converter i'm currently not using
[08:05] <daveake> number10: http://i.imgur.com/PxIii.png
[08:05] <Upu> send some boards over if you want, I can distribute as needed
[08:05] <Upu> *solder up , then distribute
[08:05] <Darkside> daveake: HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
[08:05] <Darkside> YES.
[08:06] <Upu> :)
[08:06] <Darkside> i did this modification in the car, to our chaseteacker program
[08:06] <Darkside> chasetracker*
[08:06] <Darkside> i just capped the speed at 110kph
[08:06] <Darkside> i think a better option would be a non-linear mapping of all speeds over 80kpg
[08:06] <Darkside> 80kph*
[08:06] <daveake> 112 = 70mph
[08:06] <Upu> 69.5 to be precise :)
[08:07] <daveake> Well I was gping to make it 112.xxx where xxx was the real speed, but yes
[08:07] <Darkside> or just do if(speed>110) speed=80+speed%110;
[08:07] <Upu> and that might have been my suggestion :)
[08:07] <daveake> :)
[08:07] <number10> yes, I noticed on the A428 - was constant 112, fo I took two positions and times and guess what daveake
[08:07] <Darkside> i remember, my first balloon chase
[08:07] <Darkside> i got a call from my dad
[08:07] <Darkside> "do yo know your driver is speeding?"
[08:07] <Upu> lol
[08:07] <Darkside> he was watching on the tracker
[08:08] <daveake> number10 ...?
[08:08] <Darkside> it happened a second time, on the last flight too :D
[08:08] <number10> was just aroud 80 daveake
[08:08] <number10> lol
[08:08] <daveake> lol
[08:09] <daveake> It was funny before when Upu was behind me on the M4, and not catching up despite going rather faster
[08:09] <Upu> *cough* 90
[08:09] <Upu> don't think the chap I was with was very impressed so I slowed down a little
[08:09] <daveake> :)
[08:09] <Upu> what was his name again ?
[08:09] <fsphil-laptop> it's all relative
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[08:09] <daveake> Ian
[08:09] <Upu> Thats it Ian
[08:10] <daveake> He didn't say anything when I took him back :)
[08:10] <Upu> lol
[08:10] <daveake> Or maybe I couldn't hear him in the back of the car :p
[08:10] <Upu> must be something about the gas that makes people drive like idiots
[08:11] <Upu> though in fairness at one point on the way back I did touch 130 for a few seconds, just to see if it would do it, it did :)
[08:11] <number10> I once took sister in law to airport, and they were late - I hade astra gte with gitital diaply - I was going fast but I switch the spedo to km - you sould have seen her face
[08:11] <daveake> :D
[08:11] <daveake> lol
[08:11] <Upu> haha seen that in an old Maestro Turbo
[08:11] <Upu> what a car
[08:12] <Upu> Ace Rimmer of the car world
[08:12] <daveake> lol
[08:12] <daveake> Drove one of those for a couple of days once. Good fun.
[08:13] <Upu> Mind you before the days of speed cameras etc my friend had an M635CSi and we did Bradford to Manchester in about 23 mins at 2am , the car was supposed to be limited to 155mph, it wasn't by a mile
[08:13] <daveake> :)
[08:14] <number10> talking of driving I best go now before you reach the point on the log were I make some comments about your driving daveake
[08:14] <Upu> talking of which the old Audi S2 wasn't limited either
[08:14] <daveake> Fastest I've been is 145, and yes that was on an autobahn
[08:14] <griffonbot> @zindello: RT @vk5gr: #projecthorus great flight today - 70+ radio contacts thru rptr and excellent video obtained from landing stay tuned vimeo ne ... [http://twitter.com/zindello/status/191439251865481216]
[08:14] <daveake> number10 I did find those .... :p
[08:14] <Upu> daveake : https://picasaweb.google.com/118244444241111963790/NewYearsEve2001#5379071213911373682 :)
[08:14] <daveake> But I see that HappyRocketBoy put the record straight :D
[08:14] <number10> revenge when it comes is going to be bad
[08:15] <Upu> apparently thats acceptable in SLovenia
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[08:15] <daveake> !!
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[08:16] <fsphil-laptop> mad
[08:17] <Upu> mind you
[08:17] <Upu> this was the driver https://picasaweb.google.com/118244444241111963790/NewYearsEve2001#5379071381064679490
[08:17] <Upu> and yes that is real
[08:18] <Upu> https://picasaweb.google.com/118244444241111963790/NewYearsEve2001#5379071231127551650 yours truly having a go
[08:18] <daveake> eek!
[08:19] <Upu> That was one of my more random moments, a friend of mine suggested we go to Slovenia for new years eve, it cost £20 on Ryan Air so we did. On the flight over (5pm on 31st Dec) we had the plane to me and the wife
[08:20] <number10> dont think I'll be making any wise cracks about Upu anymore - I didnt realised he had freinds in the slovenian maffia
[08:20] <Upu> :)
[08:21] <Upu> right suppose I ought to do something bbl
[08:25] <fsphil-laptop> "That's a nice balloon you have there... would be a shame if it went pop"
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[08:30] <Lunar_Lander__> wait
[08:31] <Lunar_Lander__> what's in Slovenia?
[08:31] <Lunar_Lander__> Upu, daveake
[08:31] <Lunar_Lander__> does he mean the new years eve?
[08:32] <Lunar_Lander__> whoa 260 km/h?
[08:32] <daveake> Xaben21 inflation video .. http://youtu.be/heBUHjtnjgQ
[08:33] <Lunar_Lander__> morning daveake
[08:34] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] XABEN-24"
[08:34] <Lunar_Lander__> how are you today?
[08:36] Nick change: Lunar_Lander__ -> Lunar_Lander
[08:37] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, can I ask a question on the video?
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[08:40] <fsphil-laptop> looked like a very smooth launch
[08:41] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[08:41] <Lunar_Lander> was there a hydrogen warning sign?
[08:41] <Upu> looks like it
[08:41] <Upu> diamond shaped thing on the cord
[08:41] <Darkside> hey guys
[08:42] <daveake> back
[08:42] <Darkside> i'm just woring out the uplink distance
[08:42] <Lunar_Lander> that I meant
[08:42] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, is upu right?
[08:42] <daveake> yeah sign under the balloon
[08:42] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[08:42] <Darkside> just worked out that the guy in whyalla uplinked a packet when it was at 10km..
[08:42] <Lunar_Lander> what did you write on it?
[08:42] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, why did the guy drive 260?
[08:42] <daveake> lbit gust but we found some shelter for the fill
[08:42] <daveake> bit gusty
[08:42] <Upu> it'll just be warning Hydrogen if found inflated don't approach with naked flames and call this number
[08:42] <daveake> Steve had a lot of trouble getting the neck lift right
[08:42] <daveake> or not right
[08:42] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[08:43] <Darkside> 327km
[08:43] <Darkside> thats the longest uplink path recorded
[08:43] <daveake> number? :-)
[08:43] <Upu> Lunar_Lander we were driving back through Slovenia towards italy and were on an empty toll road, the police man at the toll booth just said go as fast as you want so we did
[08:43] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[08:43] <Upu> we actually took it off the scale at one point
[08:43] <daveake> Just uploading the photos to flickr. One of those has the label
[08:43] <Lunar_Lander> cause RisingFury, my friend who was here once, said the roads suddenly get much better in austria
[08:44] <Lunar_Lander> like slovenian roads
[08:44] <Upu> days before Audi limited to 155mph I suspect
[08:44] <Lunar_Lander> and then austria is like driving on a landing strip
[08:44] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, OHH
[08:44] <Lunar_Lander> I assume no one else was on the road?
[08:44] <Upu> Was an original Audi S2
[08:44] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[08:44] <Upu> only the police car that told us to go faster :)
[08:44] <daveake> A limit that I am sure can be disabled very easily
[08:44] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[08:45] <Lunar_Lander> what are the dials on the center console below the heating controls?
[08:45] <Lunar_Lander> do you remember that?
[08:45] <Upu> Maximum speed (km/h) 248 yeah right
[08:45] <Upu> nah it was 11 years ago Lunar_Lander :)
[08:45] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[08:45] <Upu> http://www.carautoportal.com/car-images/audi/audi-s2/audi-s2.jpg still a good looking car that
[08:45] <daveake> Get that in Italy ... if you're in a sportscar and go past a police car, they wave at you with a "gofaster you wimp" sign
[08:45] Action: Lunar_Lander takes a note: Audi SII, excellent vehicle for time machine, can achieve 88 mph with ease
[08:45] <Upu> we had to slow down in Italy
[08:46] <Lunar_Lander> thanks Upu :)
[08:46] <Upu> my wifes Honda Jazz can do that
[08:46] <daveake> :)
[08:46] <Upu> and its got space for a flux capacitor
[08:46] <Upu> anyway afk Tescos
[08:46] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[08:46] <Lunar_Lander> can a British Leyland Mini 1000 drive 88?#
[08:46] <Upu> yes
[08:46] <Upu> they can do 89
[08:46] <Upu> 92 down a hill
[08:46] <daveake> over a cliff yes
[08:46] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[08:47] <Upu> I owned 3 :)
[08:47] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[08:47] <Upu> really afk
[08:47] Action: fsphil-laptop doesn't ask
[08:47] <Lunar_Lander> did you have the Mr Bean painting?
[08:47] <Lunar_Lander> like greenish yellow with black engine hood
[08:47] <Lunar_Lander> btw, was there really a lock on the engine hood?
[08:47] <Lunar_Lander> or was that just on Mr Bean to have the joke that he locks all the doors on the car
[08:48] <fsphil-laptop> good show that
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[08:53] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[08:53] <Lunar_Lander> what I also noticed
[08:54] <Lunar_Lander> his mini only had the turn indicators and the brake lights
[08:54] <Lunar_Lander> but not the light which comes on when reverse gear is engaged
[08:54] <Lunar_Lander> is that OK in the UK?
[08:57] <daveake> no
[08:58] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[08:58] <SpeedEvil> I don't think a reversing light is required, if not fitted.
[08:58] <SpeedEvil> If fitted, it needs to work.
[08:58] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[08:59] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[08:59] <Lunar_Lander> OK, time to go offline for some work
[08:59] <Lunar_Lander> cu later
[08:59] <cuddykid> gm
[08:59] <fsphil-laptop> time for some breakfast!
[09:00] <Lunar_Lander> yes!
[09:00] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ukmot.com/mot_check.asp#information7
[09:00] <fsphil-laptop> toasted baps
[09:00] <Lunar_Lander> baps?
[09:00] <cuddykid> lots to do before tomorrows launch
[09:00] <Lunar_Lander> thanks SpeedEvil
[09:00] <daveake> cuddykid Still on for tomorrow? Proble resolved re the cameras?
[09:01] <cuddykid> daveake: still on - we're trying to work out back up plans (scrambling more cameras)
[09:01] <daveake> Cool
[09:01] <cuddykid> need to try and intercept the tnt delivery truck before it makes its rounds tomorrow
[09:01] <daveake> I want to try out my FCD on a flight for the first time :)
[09:01] <cuddykid> problem is, I don't have one to test and cut right size holes etc
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[09:02] <daveake> You can find the size on the web surely?
[09:02] <daveake> Then cut a piece of foam the same size to check with
[09:02] <cuddykid> yep, done that
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[09:03] <cuddykid> not sure exactly where lens is and what the view out is like
[09:03] <cuddykid> heard they are very wide angle
[09:03] <SpeedEvil> http://fatpita.net/?i=4551
[09:04] <number10> dave the fcd could not receive the xaben signal here, could receive mondo - local interference - scanner was OK though - fsphil-laptop said he has similar probs
[09:04] <number10> daveake: ^^
[09:04] <fsphil-laptop> you need a filter for it
[09:04] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if a SAW would help
[09:05] <SpeedEvil> 433.? SAWs are inexpensive
[09:05] <fsphil-laptop> ideally 433-434mhz
[09:05] <fsphil-laptop> Darkside has a couple but hasn't tried them yet. they're seriously tiny
[09:05] <jonsowman> the ntx2 has a 433-434 SAW in it iirc
[09:06] <cuddykid> Darkside: am I ok to test tracker on spacenear in an hr or so?
[09:07] <jonsowman> http://uk.mouser.com/ProductDetail/EPCOS/B39431B3580Z810/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMukHu%252bjC5l7Ye1bSELfWTz0vnXDgIt4ObM%3D
[09:07] <jonsowman> this one
[09:07] <Darkside> cuddykid: yeah go nuts
[09:07] <Darkside> i've got all the data down
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[09:12] <cuddykid> brill - cheers
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[09:17] <number10> a similar one here jonsowman http://uk.mouser.com/ProductDetail/EPCOS/B39431B3580Z810/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMukHu%252bjC5l7Ye1bSELfWTz0vnXDgIt4ObM%3D center at 434
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[09:19] <daveake> Is the bandwidth high enough to use one for all 70cm HAB stuff?
[09:19] <daveake> Can't see it specified on mouser
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[09:21] <jonsowman> number10: hmm yes
[09:21] <jonsowman> quite a few around
[09:21] <number10> daveake: the one that jonsowman showed is also on farnell - spec http://www.epcos.com/inf/40/ds/ae/B3710.pdf,, the one on mouser spec http://www.abracon.com/Filters/SAW%20FILTERS/AFS434S3.pdf
[09:22] <daveake> tvm
[09:22] <daveake> I'll get some for a play
[09:23] <Darkside> they're weenie
[09:23] <Darkside> if they're the ones i have
[09:23] <daveake> yeah
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[09:23] <Darkside> yep, i have the EPCOS one
[09:23] <jonsowman> daveake: farnell part 1791906
[09:23] <Darkside> ive beebn meaning to make up a PCB for them
[09:23] <number10> freind at work is an rf chip designer - he could probably design a descrete one for me - but I doubt he could be bothered - and I am sure my electronic construction skills are not conducive to good rf layout
[09:23] <Darkside> but have been to busy with launches and hsit
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[09:24] <number10> make PCB up before you come over to UK Darkside - gifts for your friends
[09:24] <Darkside> lol
[09:25] <cuddykid> who's G0MJW?
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[09:26] <fsphil-laptop> when did jcoxon go to the isle of man? :)
[09:27] <jcoxon_> hehe
[09:27] <cuddykid> ping jonsowman, Randomskk
[09:27] <jonsowman> hi cuddykid
[09:27] <cuddykid> hiya
[09:27] <Randomskk> hi
[09:27] <cuddykid> would it be possible to..
[09:28] <cuddykid> adjust my telemetry file (HABE) to not include "satellites" on the end?
[09:28] <cuddykid> if it's a hassle don't worry - just wondered if it wouldn't decode properly if I missed it out?
[09:28] <jonsowman> can do
[09:28] <Randomskk> it's easy enough to get rid of it
[09:28] <Randomskk> ideally in prep for a second flight
[09:28] <Randomskk> rather than changing the current document
[09:29] <Randomskk> but I can just make a new flight doc for you
[09:29] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] XABEN-24"
[09:29] <cuddykid> ahh right, if it still will work when I don't actually transmit the satellite field then its fine to just leave it :)
[09:29] <cuddykid> just didn't want to waste valuable ",0" space on every string! haha
[09:30] <Randomskk> done cuddykid
[09:30] <Randomskk> you should use crc16 btw
[09:30] <cuddykid> brilliant
[09:30] <cuddykid> thank you!
[09:31] <Randomskk> jonsowman: did you remove them from the current flight doc?
[09:31] <jonsowman> you using XOR?
[09:31] <jonsowman> Randomskk: haven't touched anything
[09:31] <cuddykid> yeah, I know :( too late to change now I think as I've got a nightmare with hardware stuff
[09:31] <cuddykid> XOR - yep
[09:31] <daveake> All the cool kids use CRC16
[09:31] <Randomskk> hm weird
[09:31] <jcoxon_> cuddykid, did you permission come through then?
[09:31] <cuddykid> yep
[09:31] <cuddykid> friday afternoon :D
[09:31] <jcoxon_> how long did it take?
[09:32] <cuddykid> about a day
[09:32] <Randomskk> that's unusually speedy
[09:32] <Randomskk> what'd you do to him?
[09:32] <jcoxon_> did you call them?
[09:32] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[09:33] <jonsowman> how much cash did you send him in a brown envelope?
[09:33] <daveake> Cuddykid must have something on DM. Pix of him with a sheep or something
[09:33] <jcoxon_> my experience is that DM is prefers single windows for events
[09:33] <Randomskk> yea but even then
[09:33] <jcoxon_> rather than long term windows etc
[09:33] <cuddykid> yeah, had to call him - he's actually been extremely helpful over the past week
[09:33] <jonsowman> daveake: must be
[09:33] <jcoxon_> for the lavenham site we've been requesting 3-4 days before
[09:34] <cuddykid> yeah, when I just say it's for a day or something then he's often ok
[09:34] <jcoxon_> so having an established site but just request it when you need it
[09:34] <cuddykid> yep
[09:34] <cuddykid> he has all the details for my site
[09:34] <daveake> yeah I'm sure that helps
[09:35] <jcoxon_> i think its actually less hassle doing the last minute ones
[09:35] <cuddykid> just got a call from a pilot flying today - clearly didn't read the notam properly as it's only valid from tomorrow :P
[09:35] <cuddykid> bbl
[09:35] <fsphil-laptop> pilots don't read
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[09:36] <daveake> Yeah I've had that twice
[09:37] <daveake> Interesting - http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/6933209248/
[09:37] <daveake> Top-right is the neck etc of the balloon, attached to the line
[09:37] <daveake> Bottom-right is a massive lump of balloon that managed to catch up with and envelope the chute
[09:38] <fsphil-laptop> that looks like most of the balloon
[09:38] <daveake> Yep
[09:38] <daveake> Steve'll weight it. Looked liked almost all of it to me. My first flight was a 1000g Totex and I had over 700g left
[09:40] <Darkside> oh yeah guys
[09:40] <Darkside> our payload got caught in a thermal on teh way down
[09:40] <Darkside> its descent rate dropped to <1m/s for a few minutes
[09:40] <Randomskk> no need for a parachute huh
[09:40] <Darkside> we just watched it floating along, before it got out of the thermal and dropped faster
[09:40] <Darkside> it was pretty incredible
[09:41] <Darkside> http://pipe2.darklomax.org/dump/glideslope.jpg
[09:41] <Darkside> you can see it there
[09:41] <Darkside> we have great video of it all too, should be online in a few days
[09:41] <daveake> nice
[09:41] <daveake> ANd you saw it coming down, or landing?
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[09:41] <Darkside> both
[09:42] <Darkside> well, i didn't personally see it land, but we have photos and video
[09:42] <daveake> excellent
[09:42] <Darkside> ended up with 4 chase cars this time!
[09:42] <Darkside> was awesome
[09:42] <daveake> :)
[09:42] <daveake> Not seen one land yet but did see one coming in to land. Trees in the way for the actual landing
[09:42] <Darkside> hehe
[09:43] <Darkside> we've seen a few land now
[09:43] <daveake> brb - changing peecee
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[09:48] <cuddykid> a floater that bursts after ~1hr would be quite nice tomorrow
[09:49] <fsphil-laptop> the thermal is quite noticeable on the spacenear.us altitude graph
[09:49] <cuddykid> very odd setup, low alt winds are blowing SE - high alt winds are the complete revers blowing NW
[09:49] <cuddykid> if it floated long enough in high alt winds it would actually come right back!
[09:49] <fsphil-laptop> ooh coming my way
[09:49] <cuddykid> yeah, or if it didn't burst it'd be with you fsphil :P
[09:49] <fsphil-laptop> car's ready ;)
[09:50] <cuddykid> lol
[09:50] <fsphil-laptop> I must track today's sonde, see where it lands
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[09:50] <fsphil-laptop> they normally ditch in the sea but with the winds being odd they might come this way
[09:55] <Upu> http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/6933180864/in/set-72157629455947462 :)
[09:56] <jcoxon_> haha
[09:56] <daveake> HappyRocketBoy :)
[09:56] <Upu> if he does QSL cards
[09:56] <Upu> thats the picture
[09:56] <daveake> lol
[09:57] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[09:57] <daveake> If Carlberg did HABbing days, that was one of them
[09:57] <daveake> +s
[09:57] <Upu> Mondo recovered all payloads
[09:57] <daveake> Great
[09:58] <daveake> I'll upload my Mondo launch photos soon
[09:58] <Upu> "thank you so much for tracking MONDO-2 down to 2000 metres I think, you saved the day for that payload, used your reading for the last know location and tracked it from there, wouldn't have found it otherwise so a big thanks for that."
[09:58] <fsphil-laptop> That field was full of payloads
[09:58] <Upu> everyone else was on XABEN :)
[09:58] <daveake> :)
[09:58] <daveake> I counted I think 17 trackers at one point
[09:59] <daveake> Steve had the netbook so I wasn't watching much
[09:59] <daveake> I was watching fldigi on the car PC, telling him when he was about to get yet another record
[09:59] <Upu> :)
[10:01] <daveake> Xaben's balloon was from the latest batch; one of the Mondos had one from an old batch (the batch that Buzz2's was from), and the other was from the recent batch that had the 3 "failures" (2 of Steve's and 1 of mine)
[10:01] <Upu> looks like were were unlucky with Buzz then
[10:01] <daveake> Yep
[10:02] <daveake> Steve was going to pay for my petrol yesterday but I suggested he pay me in latex instead :)
[10:02] <fsphil-laptop> isn't that the highest altitude float too :)
[10:02] <daveake> He had a spare, new, 1600 in the car, conveniently :-)
[10:03] <daveake> yeah, has to be
[10:03] <Upu> :)
[10:03] <Upu> if you're talking about records
[10:03] <daveake> I was watching readings come in and for a while it was up-down-up-down eytc
[10:03] <Upu> biggest smile from Steve
[10:03] <Upu> easily
[10:03] <daveake> lol
[10:04] <fsphil-laptop> yea that's a lovely oscillation during the float
[10:04] <daveake> Once it got past the danger zone of ~27km we felt it had a good chance
[10:05] <daveake> I don't recall seeing one oscillate with such an amplitude
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[10:19] <Upu> dl
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[10:26] <griffonbot> @shenki: RT @vk5gr: #projecthorus great flight today - 70+ radio contacts thru rptr and excellent video obtained from landing stay tuned vimeo ne ... [http://twitter.com/shenki/status/191472513660895232]
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[10:42] <fsphil-laptop> odd, it's really sunny but cold
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[10:43] <fsphil-laptop> ah, I forgot to mention the mondo flights
[10:43] <Randomskk> fsphil-laptop: yea :(
[10:43] <Randomskk> I looked out the window and was very excited
[10:43] <Randomskk> put on shorts and a t-shirt
[10:43] <Randomskk> went outside
[10:43] <Randomskk> regretted
[10:43] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[10:44] <fsphil-laptop> should change soon hopefully
[10:46] <Upu> yup looks warm
[10:46] <Upu> is far from
[10:46] <Upu> dog still wants to go out though :)
[10:47] <daveake> Randomskk same here. Went out this morning in shorts/t-shirt to collect cameras etc from the car. BRRR!!!
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[10:47] <Randomskk> :P
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[11:54] <griffonbot> @vk5gr: #ProjectHorus Horus ham radio vk5arg listening near ballarat VIC: http://t.co/lMkVEjAG via @youtube signal as rx'ed 700km range today [http://twitter.com/vk5gr/status/191494621669507074]
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[11:58] <cuddykid> this is going from BAD to HORRIFIC..
[11:59] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/tIiPj.jpg CHASING in SA :D
[11:59] <cuddykid> so so so much hatred for currys/pc world
[11:59] <cuddykid> Darkside: nice
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[12:00] <cuddykid> the story of the morning so far: no where near me sells go pros; found one in currys in north birmingham - reserve it & is confirmed; drive for 45mins to get there - find the useless morons have "lent" it to the gadget show live in bham and didn't adjust their system stock&
[12:01] <cuddykid> it's just horrendous
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[12:06] <Morseman> Send them a bill for fuel and inconvenience cuddykid
[12:07] <fsphil-laptop> ooch
[12:07] <fsphil-laptop> drive to the gadget show live, and demand it
[12:07] <cuddykid> Morseman: yeah, head office is going to get an angry call as soon as I get a chance - I had a go at the manager there but he said he was unable to offer reimbursement for fuel etc
[12:08] <cuddykid> now the director is having to train it up from london with gopros
[12:08] <cuddykid> it's just madness - all because TNT cocked up delivery yesterday
[12:09] <Morseman> Just send an invoice and if they don't pay issue a county court summons and threaten to email TV customer services programs...
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[12:09] <Morseman> I'd send one to TNT as well...
[12:10] <cuddykid> will be sending an invoice to currys and yes, TNT are getting one from the production company
[12:10] <Morseman> Given up 'complaining' they just give you the run arround
[12:10] <Morseman> An invoice and then a CCS usually persuades most high st companies to 'make an exception just this once...'
[12:11] <cuddykid> never thought about CCS - will be doing that for sure - thanks Morseman :)
[12:12] <Morseman> That only works if they ignore the invoice/loose it in the system. Majically it gets found again or you send a copy so 'help' them remember
[12:12] <Morseman> Magically - even
[12:12] <Darkside> http://imgur.com/a/Jz6jX
[12:12] <cuddykid> strange that isn't it!
[12:13] <cuddykid> looks like you had perfect weather Darkside
[12:13] <Darkside> we sure did
[12:13] <cuddykid> that payload train is awesome
[12:13] <Morseman> Some shops now think I'm paranoid if I start asking for names and managers names and start making notes when things start to go wrong, but it's the only way sometimes...
[12:14] <Darkside> cuddykid: that payload train was ridiculously huge
[12:14] <Darkside> also it was oscillating weirdly on the way up
[12:14] <Darkside> well, probably through the whole flight
[12:14] <Morseman> If it gets sorted, nothing lost, but if really goes pear shaped you need to back up with notes
[12:14] <cuddykid> indeed Morseman
[12:17] <cuddykid> so much to do before tomorrows launch
[12:17] <daveake> pcworld/currys plebs have name tags. Useful when making mental notes.
[12:17] <cuddykid> main payload is just in pieces
[12:18] <cuddykid> daveake: not sure where they grab their plebs from - most of them have no idea about the product they're selling - I remember a few weeks ago they tried to tell my brother that the "iPad 2" was the latest model when the next gen one had just been released the week before..
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[12:27] <Morseman> Pay low wages... I remember hearing one say that PLL meant "Phase Loop Locked" and that's why they used 'Phase Modulation. Back in days when they sold CB radios
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[12:27] <Morseman> Their main job used to be to push the useless insurance
[12:28] <daveake> The incompetence I find funny; the insurance pushiness I find f-ing annoying
[12:29] <cuddykid> oh yes, that's always extremely irritating
[12:29] <daveake> Last one only stopped when I told him "if you don't shut up I'm walking out that door"
[12:29] <cuddykid> lol
[12:30] <daveake> And yes I did file a complain after :)
[12:31] <schofieldau> haha on gumtree a radio for sale that does "most frequency"
[12:32] <cuddykid> hahaha
[12:32] <cuddykid> probably stolen and the guy doesn't know a thing about radios
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[12:34] <schofieldau> "police scanner"
[12:35] <cuddykid> updated code compiled successfully :)
[12:36] <daveake> It's nice to get it working days, er, hours before launch .... :p
[12:37] <cuddykid> well, that's just compile time bugs.. lets hope there are no run time bugs!!
[12:37] <cuddykid> then that's just one thing of many ticked off the list
[12:38] <daveake> no pressure then
[12:38] <Darkside> schofieldau: lol, police are encrypted everywhere in australia i thnk
[12:38] <cuddykid> daveake: did your ublox with chip antenna take ages to get 3D fix? Last time mine took about 30mins outside! :S
[12:39] <daveake> Yeah, can be slow. Similar overall to a Lassen IQ I would say
[12:39] <daveake> Fine in open space (which my garden isn't)
[12:41] <cuddykid> well.. I've got the backup tracker on charge, past 2 launches it's proved fundamental to retrieval
[12:41] <cuddykid> great piece of chinese tech
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[12:42] <daveake> Got a prediction link?
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[12:43] <cuddykid> one sec
[12:45] <cuddykid> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=bd4d0489a1884f9e49b4db7bc8a41568c3c0c8bf
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[12:45] <daveake> cheers
[12:45] <cuddykid> if I can get it to stay +25km as long as possible that would be ideal as it comes directly back
[12:46] <daveake> Nah, send it here :)
[12:46] <cuddykid> haha
[12:46] <cuddykid> bbl
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[12:49] <Hibby> :/
[12:50] <Upu> ping daveake or navrac what does the NCP1402 work down too voltage wise ?
[12:50] <daveake> pung
[12:50] <Upu> whilst keeping an AVR + GPS + Radio going ?
[12:51] <daveake> not sure....istr trying with 1 lithium and it didn't work
[12:52] <daveake> I think navrac has done more with it
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[13:07] <Elmar_PD3EM> schofieldau: still awake?
[13:07] <schofieldau> yep
[13:07] <Elmar_PD3EM> great
[13:08] <Elmar_PD3EM> i made a sketch to read pressure/temperature from ms5607 sensor but now i need to get that into the tracker....
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[13:08] <schofieldau> cool
[13:09] <schofieldau> cleanest would be to make a new file for it that has a routine to return the temp
[13:09] <Elmar_PD3EM> getting strange values like -10486,16797 instead of 18.5,1004.3 in the rtty string
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[13:10] <Elmar_PD3EM> created the file indeed
[13:10] <schofieldau> pastebin the code?
[13:10] <Elmar_PD3EM> ok, wait a second
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[13:12] <Elmar_PD3EM> schofieldau: http://pastebin.com/sbCtWVjS and http://pastebin.com/ChLK69gR
[13:15] <schofieldau> line 25 of your code
[13:15] <schofieldau> " temp1 = TEMP/100.00;" does that need to be record1.temp1 ?
[13:16] <Darkside> hey
[13:16] <Elmar_PD3EM> yep, but then I get the strange values in the rtty string
[13:16] <Darkside> theres my struct
[13:16] <schofieldau> Darkside: yep :P
[13:16] <Darkside> you know the only reason i used a struct was because i was planning on writing the struct to flash memory
[13:16] <Darkside> which i never ended up using
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[13:17] <schofieldau> ah. I thought it looked cleaner than what I was doing defining them individually
[13:17] <Elmar_PD3EM> well its working here ;-)
[13:18] <schofieldau> elmar: it's probably something to do with the conversion from int32_t to float somewhere along the line
[13:18] <Elmar_PD3EM> looks like that schofieldau
[13:18] <schofieldau> can you define the TEMP as a float instead of an int32_t?
[13:19] <Elmar_PD3EM> it is defined as a float
[13:19] <Elmar_PD3EM> but not getting the right value in the string
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[13:19] <schofieldau> "int32_t TEMP = 0;
[13:20] <schofieldau> or is it in the printf that it's messing it up
[13:20] <schofieldau> if you print the record1.temp1 var to serial does it look okay?
[13:20] <Elmar_PD3EM> when running the code seperate and do a Serial.print I have the proper values
[13:21] <schofieldau> sprintf(txBuffer, "$$PD3EM,%u,%02u:%02u:%02d,%s,%s,%u,%u,%u,%d,%d", record1.sequence_no, record1.hour, record1.minute, record1.second, trim(latString), trim(longString), record1.altitude, record1.velocity, record1.sats, record1.temp1, record1.press1);
[13:21] <schofieldau> try changing
[13:22] <schofieldau> "$$PD3EM,%u,%02u:%02u:%02d,%s,%s,%u,%u,%u,%d,%d" <-- those last two %d 's to %f 's
[13:22] <Elmar_PD3EM> gonna try that
[13:22] <schofieldau> http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/clibrary/cstdio/sprintf/
[13:24] <Elmar_PD3EM> getting ?,? returned now in the rtty string
[13:24] <daveake> Arduino?
[13:24] <Elmar_PD3EM> yep.. 1.0
[13:24] <daveake> By default Arduino doesn't link in the code for printing floats in sprintf
[13:25] <daveake> There's a way of doing it but it'll add a lot of code
[13:25] <daveake> If you don't need float use (int)myfloatvalue
[13:25] <daveake> and %d
[13:25] <daveake> Or, convert to a string first with dtostr
[13:26] <Elmar_PD3EM> ok
[13:26] <Elmar_PD3EM> will try ...
[13:26] <daveake> cool. Off out.
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[13:57] <cuddykid> now outside - final testing..
[13:57] <cuddykid> gps lock - woo!
[13:57] <cuddykid> no 3D lock yet
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[14:00] <cuddykid> 3D lock - woo!
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[14:05] <Elmar_PD3EM> got it sorted out for the temp1.... record1.temp1 = int32_t(temp1);
[14:05] <Elmar_PD3EM> but when i do the same for the pressure it's printing 0 in the rtty string
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[14:12] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launching this Saturday 14th"
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[14:20] <Astrobiol> Hello? Anyone there?
[14:20] <SpeedEvil> yes
[14:20] <daveake> no
[14:21] <fsphil-laptop> maybe
[14:23] <schofieldau> I don't know
[14:23] <schofieldau> can you repeat the question?
[14:23] <fsphil-laptop> there's still some debate on the issue
[14:23] <schofieldau> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Za8HggalY
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[14:29] <Hiena> Well, cooking rocket candy turned out new cooking experience.
[14:30] Action: Hibby is dancing to Dire Straits, so I'mll be useless
[14:30] <BrainDamage> did the sugar ignite and sent the candy flying trough the room?
[14:30] <schofieldau> yay Dire Straits
[14:30] <SpeedEvil> Hiena: http://www.nakka-rocketry.net/sucrose.html - rocket candy?
[14:31] <schofieldau> I got a copy of Brothers In Arms on vinyl for $5 in melbourne :D
[14:31] <Hiena> Made some rocket candy and remain around 100 ml hot sugar syrup. So i added some sliced chicken breast and boiled out the remaining water.
[14:32] <BrainDamage> I tought they used sorbitol instead of sucrose due to self ignition dangers
[14:32] <Hiena> Results: Meatcandy.
[14:32] <Elmar_PD3EM> schofieldau: even if I put record1.press1 = 1014; in readMS5607.ino I got 0 printed in the rtty string....
[14:32] <schofieldau> what sprintf string are you using?
[14:33] <Elmar_PD3EM> sprintf(txBuffer, "$$PD3EM,%u,%02u:%02u:%02d,%s,%s,%u,%u,%u,%d,%d", record1.sequence_no, record1.hour, record1.minute, record1.second, trim(latString), trim(longString), record1.altitude, record1.velocity, record1.sats, record1.temp1, record1.press1);
[14:33] <schofieldau> sprintf(txBuffer, "$$PD3EM,%u,%02u:%02u:%02d,%s,%s,%u,%u,%u,%d,%d", record1.sequence_no, record1.hour, record1.minute, record1.second, trim(latString), trim(longString), record1.altitude, record1.velocity, record1.sats, record1.temp1, record1.press1);
[14:33] <schofieldau> whoops
[14:33] <schofieldau> haha try changing the last two %d 's to %f 's ?
[14:34] <Elmar_PD3EM> the record1.temp1 is doing ok, printing 19 in the rtty string
[14:35] <Hiena> SpeedEvil: something like that. Usually 3 part sodium-nitrate and one part sugar stirred togeteher at 80 degree until it set.
[14:35] <Elmar_PD3EM> for the themp i did record1.temp1 = int32_t(temp1);
[14:36] <SpeedEvil> What does it taste like?
[14:36] <Hiena> Usually, i add a spoon or two vegetable oil reducing the hygroscopic nature of the mixture.
[14:37] <Hiena> Sweet and salty.
[14:37] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:37] <schofieldau> Elmar: tried the same thing for the pressure?
[14:38] <Elmar_PD3EM> yep, i did and gives a 0 in the rtty string
[14:38] <daveake> %f does NOT work with Arduino - http://dereenigne.org/electronics/arduino/arduino-float-to-string
[14:38] <Elmar_PD3EM> even if I put record1.press1 = 1014; in readMS5607.ino
[14:39] <schofieldau> ah my bad
[14:39] <daveake> Various workarounds
[14:39] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launching this Saturday 14th"
[14:39] <schofieldau> dtostr
[14:40] <Elmar_PD3EM> then why record1.temp1 = int32_t(temp1); works for a float temp1?
[14:43] <Elmar_PD3EM> dtostrf(record1.press1,4,1,press1); ===>> error: cannot convert 'float' to 'char*' for argument '4' to 'char* dtostrf(double, signed char, unsigned char, char*)'
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[14:43] <Elmar_PD3EM> i must do something wrong...
[14:43] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launching this Saturday 14th"
[14:44] <Hiena> Wiht a bit tang like a smoked meats. I prefer to taste the chemicals which i use just for fun. The muriatic acid works fine as tea flavouring. And so on...
[14:45] <daveake> 4th parameter needs to be a char*
[14:45] <daveake> Declare a char array long enough for the string, then pass that
[14:46] <Elmar_PD3EM> yep.... the other way around ( dtostrf(press1,6,1,record1.press1); ) i get: readMS5607:32: error: invalid conversion from 'int32_t' to 'char*'
[14:46] <Elmar_PD3EM> readMS5607:32: error: initializing argument 4 of 'char* dtostrf(double, signed char, unsigned char, char*)'
[14:47] <Elmar_PD3EM> but it works with the temperature: record1.temp1 = int32_t(temp1);
[14:47] <daveake> http://arduino.cc/playground/Code/PrintFloats
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[14:48] <cuddykid> there is a fair amount of drift from this rfm
[14:48] <cuddykid> when the sun comes out it starts quite a bit :P - even though it is inside styrofoam box
[14:49] <daveake> Yeah, they're good wind sensors too
[14:54] <cuddykid> yeah, noticed that too!
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[14:56] <Elmar_PD3EM> it must be somewhere else.... even when I put 1014 straight in the sprintf(txBuffer .... a 0 is printed in the rtty string
[14:57] <schofieldau> Elmar: that's weird
[14:57] <schofieldau> really weird
[14:57] <Elmar_PD3EM> might be something in the RTTY part
[14:58] <schofieldau> yeah
[14:58] <schofieldau> do you have an ftdi adaptor?
[14:58] <schofieldau> set up the debug serial interface and have a look
[14:58] <Elmar_PD3EM> not ready to put on the Arduino uno i think...
[14:59] <cuddykid> these lithiums are truly incredible - running the test off ones that flew powering the last payload and have been used for 48hrs + since
[14:59] <cuddykid> still going strong
[15:01] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: final testing of #HABE tracking payload underway.. main payload still needs to be constructed #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/191541871405838336]
[15:06] <Elmar_PD3EM> schofieldau: you mean the little one from sparkfun?
[15:06] <schofieldau> yep
[15:06] <Elmar_PD3EM> gonna hook it up ;-)
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[15:12] <schofieldau> Elmar: I'm heading off to bed now
[15:12] <schofieldau> good luck with all that
[15:12] <schofieldau> night
[15:13] <Elmar_PD3EM> schofieldau: ok. good night! and thanks for the help
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[15:22] <daveake> ping Upu
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[15:28] <cuddykid> backup tracker working a treat :D
[15:28] <cuddykid> 1m accuracy
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:33] <cuddykid> go pros should be with me in 40mins!
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[15:37] <SpeedEvil> Woo!
[15:38] <Elmar_PD3EM> oowwhhh... the pressure value isn't the problem... the last value of the rtty string is the problem....
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[15:49] <Elmar_PD3EM> schofieldau: for when you wake up on monday morning: the problem is in the rtty sting...
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[16:14] <Laurenceb_> tracker is down?
[16:14] <Randomskk> no?
[16:15] <x-f> uh, "Received 34898 new positions."
[16:15] <jonsowman> it gets a bit sad trying to fetch that many
[16:16] <jonsowman> HORUS - 26268
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[16:30] <daveake> 300 baud?
[16:30] <Randomskk> and a new packet every single time
[16:30] <Randomskk> ridiculous >_>
[16:31] <Upu> hey daveake
[16:31] <Upu> back now
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[16:31] <Upu> were you after me ?
[16:31] <daveake> Yeah I did pink you
[16:31] <daveake> er ping you
[16:31] <daveake> or maybe not ... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Spinnaker-Kite-Repair-Tapes-Pink-Self-Adhesive-50-x-4-5-or-150-x-2-5-/380429118213?pt=UK_SportingGoods_Kites_Kitesurfing_CA&var=&hash=item589357ab05#ht_1966wt_1104
[16:32] <daveake> This is the stuff Steve uses (but in yellow)
[16:32] <daveake> Lot lighter than gaffer tape
[16:32] <Upu> ok thx I'll take a look at it
[16:32] <Upu> strong ?
[16:32] <daveake> Yeah seemed ideal to me
[16:33] <daveake> known as "sail tape" or "spinnaker tape"
[16:33] <Upu> has the important pinkness about it
[16:34] <Upu> right back later
[16:34] <daveake> Steve did say "It's perfect except I couldn't find any in pink for Anthony" :p
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[16:35] <griffonbot> @cuspaceflight: our auto-tweeting is still broken but nevertheless latest rocket photos: http://t.co/TIgZpgr5 #ukhas #rocketswoo [http://twitter.com/cuspaceflight/status/191565372196003841]
[16:46] <cuddykid> in position of 2 go pros! finally
[16:46] <cuddykid> however - 2 battery packs
[16:50] <Elmar_PD3EM> cuddykid: great!! Looking forward to some amazing HD video from up above
[16:55] <cuddykid> those with go pro knowledge - do they need to be in a case or not?
[16:56] <danielsaul> cuddykid: When you put them in the case, you get condensation... There are ways around it though
[16:56] <cuddykid> no probs - no case then :D
[16:56] <cuddykid> thanks
[16:56] <danielsaul> Or don't put in the case, and hope it doesn't land anywhere wet
[16:56] <danielsaul> :)
[16:56] <danielsaul> We put our gopro in apexIII with no case... Certainly won't be working if we ever get it back
[16:57] <fsphil-laptop> I doubt there's be much left inside at all :)
[16:57] <fsphil-laptop> though hopefully an intact and working SD card
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[16:58] <danielsaul> :)
[16:58] <danielsaul> Trying to persuade the school PTA to buy us a new GoPro... "So what happened to the last one again?" "Uhm..."
[17:01] <jonsowman> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160780072357
[17:01] <jonsowman> wat
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[17:02] <jonsowman> sorry, wrong window
[17:06] <fsphil-laptop> sorta on topic. looks like it was dropped from a high altitude
[17:06] <jonsowman> lol
[17:06] <jonsowman> not quite "as it left the factory" is it
[17:09] <cuddykid> batteries conked out
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[17:18] <cuddykid> I guess it's ok to have edges of hole (polystyrene) showing in the video at the very edges
[17:18] <cuddykid> could be cropped
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[17:25] <Upu> cuddykid I'd try to have no edges
[17:26] <fsphil-laptop> yea, looks bad
[17:30] <cuddykid> okies
[17:30] <cuddykid> problem is - hole is MASSIVE and already air gaps
[17:30] <cuddykid> the inside of main payload will be frozen
[17:30] <cuddykid> if go pros can handle it thats fine though
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[17:47] <daveake> Evening HappyRocketBoy :)
[17:48] <cuddykid> can the go pros handle extreme cold?
[17:48] <RocketBoy> hiya - I'm still happy
[17:48] <daveake> I should think so :)
[17:48] <cuddykid> good stuff :) cos the holes are huge!
[17:48] <daveake> You left your payload batteries in my car
[17:48] <daveake> I was thinking of putting them on ebay :D
[17:50] <RocketBoy> darn - could you weigh them for me
[17:50] <daveake> "As used in world record. Starting price £42,687"
[17:50] <daveake> justamo
[17:50] <Laurenceb_> ARHAB need to update their price
[17:50] <RocketBoy> sounds a fair price
[17:50] <Laurenceb_> *erm records
[17:51] <RocketBoy> yeah - I emailed
[17:51] <Laurenceb_> RocketBoy: were you flying a gopro?
[17:51] <RocketBoy> na - too heavy
[17:51] <Laurenceb_> yeah i see
[17:51] <Laurenceb_> so what was the payload?
[17:51] <Laurenceb_> just ntx2+pic+gps?
[17:51] <daveake> 23.14g
[17:52] <RocketBoy> yeah
[17:52] <daveake> I'm sure you need that resolution
[17:52] <RocketBoy> cheers daveake
[17:52] <Laurenceb_> neat
[17:52] <RocketBoy> nothing special
[17:53] <Laurenceb_> RocketBoy: it looks like hydrogen improves envelope integrity?
[17:53] <SpeedEvil> ...
[17:53] Action: SpeedEvil ponders.
[17:53] <Laurenceb_> i wouldnt have expected a helium to float that long
[17:53] <RocketBoy> I don't think so - I don't think the problems were anything to do with gas
[17:53] <SpeedEvil> It's not _completely_ barking mad.
[17:53] <SpeedEvil> I mean - there are microporosities throughout the latex
[17:54] <RocketBoy> oh sorry I see
[17:54] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: yeah
[17:54] <Laurenceb_> it had relatively high ascent velocity
[17:54] <SpeedEvil> saturating it with hydrogen is going to make it harder for oxygen to react with stuff knocked out by UV.
[17:54] <Laurenceb_> id have expected it to have popped like Mondo-1/2
[17:54] <RocketBoy> daveake: told me that h2 diffuses less than he
[17:54] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[17:55] <fsphil-laptop> H2 molecules are bigger than He atoms are they not?
[17:55] <RocketBoy> the molicules are bigger
[17:55] <SpeedEvil> Of course - statistics based on samplesizes of one are only suitable for making goverment policy on.
[17:55] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[17:55] <RocketBoy> echo
[17:55] <Laurenceb_> well the CNSP balloon floated across the atlantic
[17:55] <Laurenceb_> but that could have been a fluke
[17:55] <fsphil-laptop> the record they beat was also an H2 flight
[17:56] <Laurenceb_> but still, odd that they all used hydrogen
[17:56] <fsphil-laptop> we need another H2 floater
[17:56] <Laurenceb_> well - youd expect hydrogen to give record altitude
[17:56] <Laurenceb_> but the floating seems better
[17:56] <mfa298> SpeedEvil: You mean they actually ask someone to be able to generate those statistics ?
[17:56] <daveake> fsphil-laptop How about you do a floater with your 1600?
[17:57] <SpeedEvil> mfa298: Mr Cameron finds an example, then makes policy about them seemingly.
[17:57] <daveake> You've got the advantage of starting further west so you're likely to have listeners for longer than most of us
[17:57] <fsphil-laptop> I'd still like to try for the altitude, but yea I'll get another one daveake
[17:57] <fsphil-laptop> the swift flights where designed to be long distance
[17:57] <daveake> RocketBoy says he has plenty of stock :)
[17:57] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[17:57] Action: SpeedEvil has proposals for government reform, involving a wood-chipper.
[17:58] <RocketBoy> yeah the 1600 are back in stock
[17:58] <daveake> I'm sure he said he'd pay me commission
[17:58] <daveake> :p
[17:58] <fsphil-laptop> I've enough Steve Randall points now to get a discount now? :)
[17:58] <fsphil-laptop> -now
[17:58] <Laurenceb_> lol
[17:58] <Laurenceb_> you need a store card
[17:59] <fsphil-laptop> ah
[17:59] <daveake> RandomCard
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[17:59] <cuddykid> is 32GB SD card enough for flight?
[17:59] <cuddykid> for gopro
[18:01] <Randomskk> yea
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[18:11] <Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/13/steve_bong_profits_of_doom/
[18:11] <Laurenceb_> ^genius
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[18:54] <gonzo_> how would hab loyalty points work? pts per m^2 of He?
[18:55] <daveake> per chase car mile driven :D
[18:56] <jonsowman> yeah that works for me too
[18:57] <gonzo_> points per tree?
[19:00] <fsphil-laptop> my gps seems to think my house is at 13.4km asl
[19:00] <fsphil-laptop> take that Upu
[19:01] <daveake> You need to fly that one
[19:01] <fsphil-laptop> also in the Netherlands
[19:02] <fsphil-laptop> I think it's just lost lock
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[19:05] <fsphil-laptop> "a quadratic equation is a univariate polynomial equation of the second degree" ... thanks wikipedia, that's cleared that up
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[19:10] <SpeedEvil> Drop the template bomb!
[19:10] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Technical
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[19:19] <fsphil-laptop> ooh
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[19:25] <fsphil-laptop> I thought it was Upu who was in the mob?
[19:25] <daveake> htf ?
[19:25] <daveake> Mobile is in another room!
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[19:26] <fsphil-laptop> lol, google for htf
[19:26] <daveake> Don't forget, he has his aerial woowoo and I have my altitude woowoo
[19:26] <daveake> helium test facility?
[19:27] <fsphil-laptop> "happy tree friends" was the first result
[19:27] <daveake> yep
[19:27] Action: fsphil-laptop is seeking woowoo
[19:27] <daveake> it was how t f
[19:27] <daveake> tree woowoo?
[19:27] <fsphil-laptop> well only one tree so far
[19:28] <fsphil-laptop> though it was a good one
[19:28] <Laurenceb_> haha happy tree friends
[19:32] <fsphil-laptop> hmm.. soundmodem won't start now
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[20:04] <Elmar_PD3EM> almost ready: $$COW-1,19,20:04:16,51.89268,4.82554,72,0,6,1043,0,17*A3FA
[20:05] <Elmar_PD3EM> could be more acurate with temp and pressure values but the strings are working :-)
[20:05] <fsphil-laptop> looking good
[20:05] <fsphil-laptop> cow?
[20:05] <Elmar_PD3EM> haha.. there a lot of them aruond here ;-)
[20:06] <SpeedEvil> Moo.
[20:06] <Elmar_PD3EM> http://www.balloonmaniacs.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=99&products_id=746&zenid=ee732a40ef3eaf45dc675cb3fbe01aa0
[20:08] <Elmar_PD3EM> but I think I'm gonna use a latex one
[20:09] <Elmar_PD3EM> but first work some more on the code and sensors
[20:09] <Laurenceb_> needs a Cow icon
[20:09] <Elmar_PD3EM> haha
[20:10] <Laurenceb_> also a pig for obvious reasons
[20:10] <Laurenceb_> although that could mean a floater heading for iran would be even more embarrassing
[20:11] <Elmar_PD3EM> and a few trackers down there instead of anti air fire
[20:16] <cuddykid> right - main payload coming along
[20:16] <cuddykid> have concerns about the "photo boom" - quite an additional weight on one side
[20:16] <cuddykid> tracking payload seems to be working well (fingers crossed it continues to)
[20:17] <staylo> high altitude cow? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7_wAfATQoU
[20:17] <cuddykid> ping daveake
[20:18] <daveake> pung
[20:18] <cuddykid> hiya - predicitions have changed a bit - landing fairly close to you now :)
[20:18] <cuddykid> just east of Swindon
[20:18] <daveake> excellent. Make sure it's packed with goodies
[20:18] <cuddykid> lol
[20:19] <Elmar_PD3EM> staylo: lol
[20:19] <cuddykid> are you free tomorrow at all daveake?
[20:19] <daveake> Let me know if you want me to go out for the landing
[20:19] <daveake> Can be
[20:19] <cuddykid> daveake: ok, cheers! it could potentially land extremely close!
[20:20] <fsphil-laptop> daveake has lasers
[20:20] <fsphil-laptop> it may not land at all
[20:20] <daveake> Well the car can be set up in minutes. I'll be tracking from home too
[20:20] <Laurenceb_> cuddykid: any payload photos?
[20:21] <cuddykid> don't think I'm going to bother with weights underneath tomorrow - just going to fill until it there is no more helium!
[20:21] <cuddykid> Laurenceb_: yeah, one sec
[20:21] <daveake> Extra HAB points if you can land it in my launch field
[20:21] <cuddykid> :P
[20:23] <Morseman> Had DL-FLDigi running all day yesterday on my 'new' PC and it's not gone 'clunky' so I guess I had too many things running on this PC when I used DL-FLDigi on it
[20:27] <cuddykid> is it obvious when there is no more helium left? ie. will the rushing noise stop?! sounds a silly question but I don't want to be there for ages like whens it going to stop!
[20:33] <SpeedEvil> when the balloon stops getting bigger
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[20:34] <Upu> cuddykid
[20:34] <Upu> whats your launch coordinates ?
[20:34] <Upu> ping Darkside can I clear the tracker ?
[20:35] <fsphil-laptop> ideally you'd have a gauge on the regulator
[20:35] <fsphil-laptop> it'll tell you how much is left
[20:35] <Upu> cuddykid you can hear it
[20:36] <cuddykid> Upu
[20:36] <cuddykid> hiya
[20:36] <Upu> evening
[20:36] <cuddykid> one sec
[20:36] <cuddykid> 52.2811
[20:36] <cuddykid> -2.2430
[20:36] <Upu> I'll update the live prediction tomorrow morning
[20:36] <cuddykid> taa
[20:39] <cuddykid> right I'm off to get some stuff sorted, thanks guys :)
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[20:56] <Morseman> Might have a possible launch site for a sub-2m payload/balloon
[20:57] <Morseman> see http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=447971&y=369563&z=115&sv=447971,369563&st=4&ar=y&mapp=map.srf&searchp=ids.srf&dn=795&ax=447971&ay=369563&lm=0
[20:57] <jdtanner> Evening chaps&our payload comes in at 750g give or take
[20:57] <jdtanner> :)
[20:57] <Upu> splendid :)
[20:58] <jdtanner> Might be a bit more&but that is it pretty much. I'll have a better idea once I've finished taking it up.
[20:58] <Upu> gives me 250g to play with
[20:58] <Upu> :)
[20:58] <cuddykid> mines weighing in over 1kg i think
[20:58] <cuddykid> all the helium available will be needed!
[20:59] <Morseman> or put this lat/long in Google Earth 53.220960, -1.282993
[20:59] <Upu> Don't let it float cuddykid just shove the lot it
[20:59] <jdtanner> (taking = taping)
[20:59] <cuddykid> Upu: yep, that's what I'm going to do - not even bothering with weights
[21:00] <cuddykid> though the ideal would be it floated for ~1hr - then it would come right back to me! :D
[21:00] <cuddykid> but can't take that chance
[21:00] <jdtanner> First launch cuddykid?
[21:01] <cuddykid> jdtanner: 3rd :)
[21:01] <jdtanner> Cool :)
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[21:02] <jdtanner> Morseman: if you want to launch from mine then you are most welcome&you'll start at 1000ft that way :)
[21:03] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: been a hectic day - preps for #HABE launch tomorrow almost finished, main payload mostly built, tracking payload tested. 11:30am UK #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/191632820026875904]
[21:03] <David_A> It's a nice launch site
[21:03] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: telemetry format for tomorrow's #HABE launch: 434.2mhz RTTY 50baud Select "HABE" in fldigi - trackers appreciated! #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/191632820148502528]
[21:03] <Morseman> Further to drive though jdtanner :-)
[21:03] <jdtanner> Indeed&but you are most welcome.
[21:04] <Morseman> Thanks jdtanner - much appreciated as well
[21:04] <jdtanner> ha, yes David_A and I have been up there today to check for obstacles&unless sheep suddenly sprout wings everything is clear :)
[21:05] <Morseman> I may use the local field for a tethered test point anyway
[21:06] <David_A> Morseman: Are you based near Rotherham?
[21:07] <Morseman> Well, nearly David_A = Bolsover
[21:07] <David_A> I'm Rotherham, I thought you maybe nearby :)
[21:08] <jdtanner> They are all north :)
[21:08] <jdtanner> cuddykid: what is your payload?
[21:08] <Morseman> I am really - went to North Sheffield today to help Kate's friend with her PC and Kate has family in Maltby
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[21:09] <jdtanner> For your amusement and comment: peaksky1 http://imgur.com/TUD73
[21:09] <David_A> Nice, I'm Wickersley but also got family in Maltby - small world :)
[21:10] <jdtanner> Rather naked&and with an northerner attached to one end&but you get the idea
[21:10] <Morseman> My daughter and grand-daughter live in Wakefield and we went to see Kate's new grandson in Lancaster yesterday
[21:10] <Morseman> So, I do get about a bit even without work :-)
[21:10] <David_A> Thanks, jdtanner :(
[21:10] <David_A> Payload looks nice
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[21:11] <Morseman> jdtanner - Man with an insulated box...
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[21:12] <jdtanner> haha& that insulated box took almost 4 hours to carve and fill :)
[21:12] <David_A> It did take a lot longer than planned
[21:12] <David_A> excellent fun though ;)
[21:13] <jdtanner> I think I've got a form of asbestosis from the polystyrene :(
[21:13] <Morseman> Plus I'm really a Brummy and Kate's youngest son, his partner and their 1 year old son live in North Brum, so I do a bit of driving about at times...
[21:16] <jdtanner> Me too!
[21:16] <jdtanner> &well Worcestershire :)
[21:16] <Morseman> What, a brummy? Where?
[21:16] <Morseman> AH, doesn't count ;-)
[21:16] <jdtanner> Just outside Hagley
[21:16] <jdtanner> so a YamYam really
[21:16] <David_A> south :(
[21:17] <jdtanner> haha!
[21:17] <Morseman> Remember the old MEB HQ on Mucklow Hill? Not there now but I was a member of the radio club there when I worked for MEB
[21:17] <jdtanner> Not south enough!
[21:17] <Upu> jdtanner that looks remarkably like this one : https://picasaweb.google.com/118244444241111963790/201110AvaLaunch#5658660882433561202
[21:17] <Upu> afk
[21:18] <jdtanner> so it does! :)
[21:19] <jdtanner> Morseman: Halesowen was a bit off my patch :)
[21:20] <jcoxon> ukhas has over 100 launches now
[21:20] <Morseman> Ma Pardoes? The white swan...
[21:20] <fsphil-laptop> there's a lot more launches here than anywhere else atm
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[21:21] <jcoxon> oops
[21:22] <Elmar_PD3EM> time to go... cul
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[21:23] <Morseman> I could make Burgess Hill or near the Ditchling Beacon if that's any good for a launch - My company has its HQ down that way
[21:23] <jdtanner> Morseman: I was gone by 18 :)
[21:25] <Morseman> jdtanner: We'll have to plan more balloon launches over a pint of Bank's Best ;-)
[21:25] <jdtanner> Sounds good to me!
[21:25] <Morseman> Unspoilt by progress
[21:26] <natrium42> < jcoxon> ukhas has over 100 launches now
[21:26] <natrium42> and it's titanic's 100 year anniversary
[21:26] <natrium42> o_O
[21:26] <jonsowman> it must be way over 100
[21:26] <jonsowman> there have been 80+ from the cusf site alone
[21:26] <fsphil-laptop> well a few of our payloads shared the same fate as the titanic
[21:27] <natrium42> "this payload is too big to fail"
[21:27] <natrium42> "nooooo"
[21:27] <jdtanner> If Kate Winslet comes along to our launch, I'd happily see it fail :)
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[21:28] <David_A> I'll attach her to it and watch her float away ;)
[21:31] <jcoxon> jonsowman, indeed many aren;t recorded
[21:31] <jonsowman> yea
[21:31] <jonsowman> if i had to guess i'd say 250-300
[21:31] <Randomskk> really?
[21:31] <Randomskk> UK hobby launches?
[21:33] <jonsowman> mm
[21:33] <Randomskk> hm
[21:33] <jcoxon> nah i reckon 150
[21:33] <Randomskk> yea I'd have thought more like that kinda ballpark
[21:33] <Randomskk> 300 says that for every documented launch there were another two
[21:34] <Randomskk> actually we can count all the launches that have ever used the DL system
[21:34] <Randomskk> which is most
[21:34] <Randomskk> and try to correlate to announcements in the UKHAS mailing list
[21:34] <Randomskk> also most
[21:34] <Randomskk> and should pick up some of the ones using just GSM
[21:35] <gonzo_> Well, we have a pico flight pencilled in for the 5th may. Pending prediction
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[21:37] <gonzo_> so we will probably have another one that fails, that we won't admit to!
[21:37] <gonzo_> does that follow the stats?
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[21:39] <Morseman> Should admit to fails as well gonzo_ because they are all valid and need to be recorded
[21:40] <gonzo_> hehe, I was only joking
[21:40] <Morseman> Otherwise, if only admit to the ones that work it gives false hope to us newbies...
[21:41] <Morseman> OK ;-)
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[22:09] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Fabulous payload satellite signal test in Cherokee Park today! Dozens of telemetry string sent, no retries needed. #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/191649414518022146]
[22:09] <fsphil-laptop> satellites are magic
[22:11] <fsphil-laptop> remember first getting satellite TV, being amazed at where these signals where coming from
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[22:22] <gonzo_> sats are simple engineering. Getting them up there is the witchcraft
[22:22] <Randomskk> you'd think that
[22:23] <Randomskk> still hard enough for some people to get very wrong :P
[22:23] <gonzo_> there have been sone classic dropped bollocks over the years
[22:24] <Laurenceb_> satellites are boring
[22:24] <Laurenceb_> been there done that
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[22:27] <gonzo_> I still get a buzz from just hearing my sigs coming back from an orbiting sat
[22:27] <fsphil-laptop> I recently got a packet or two repeated by the iss
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[22:28] <fsphil-laptop> pointless but really neat :)
[22:28] <gonzo_> yep, agreed
[22:29] <fsphil-laptop> I've never had luck with the voice repeater sats
[22:29] <gonzo_> O remember being blown away picking up the telem from oscar 40 on S band for the first time. Lots of work for me building lit (and having to get my arse out of bed early)
[22:29] <gonzo_> kit
[22:30] <gonzo_> and when all the variables were right, the telem was just there, strong
[22:30] <gonzo_> no, I;ve never liked the basic FM repeatersats
[22:30] <gonzo_> the linear transponders are more fun
[22:31] <fsphil-laptop> I've had less luck with them :)
[22:31] <r2x0t> sats are fun
[22:31] <fsphil-laptop> I can hear people on the FM one, but keeping up with the doppler on the ssb ones is tricky
[22:31] <r2x0t> and manned flight like STS even more fun
[22:32] <gonzo_> paul showed me what you had extracted from the sts s band. Most impressive
[22:32] <r2x0t> I still need to extract all images from data we captured
[22:32] <gonzo_> lets home they continue to use that system for the next gen of craft
[22:33] <r2x0t> and make web page with all data etc.
[22:33] <r2x0t> I'm certain they will NOT use it anymore
[22:33] <r2x0t> STS was 30 years old tech
[22:33] <gonzo_> do you have to hand craft anything now, or is it just the time to process the historical data?
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[22:34] <r2x0t> I need to write script to combine all EU data for pass together, as I have data from multiple stations
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[22:34] <r2x0t> have close to 1000 data files, so it have to be automated
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[22:34] <gonzo_> but the .mil and .gov users don't start using kit till it is 30yrs old. It takes so long to come into service
[22:35] <gonzo_> that will be a big website!
[22:35] <gonzo_> did nasa give you a qsl card?
[22:35] <r2x0t> I have technical documentation for new nasa module they are working on now
[22:36] <r2x0t> it uses QPSK and turbo coding
[22:36] <r2x0t> completely different from STS
[22:36] <r2x0t> but it may never fly heh
[22:36] <r2x0t> I expect to see commercial flight sooner
[22:36] <gonzo_> who know where it may turn up
[22:37] <r2x0t> there was this ITU record
[22:37] <r2x0t> with something simple as 500kbps GMSK
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[22:38] <gonzo_> suppose these days it is certain to be IP frame based
[22:38] <gonzo_> right, I must do the FO thing. Been a long and beer sodden weekend.
[22:38] <r2x0t> not really
[22:38] <r2x0t> there is CCSDS packet protocol
[22:38] <r2x0t> that is widely supported and better for this use
[22:38] <gonzo_> (not that IP is 30 yrs old.... Well much older really)
[22:39] <r2x0t> ok.... ttyl
[22:39] <gonzo_> gn
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[22:42] <jdtanner> night all
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[22:51] <fsphil-laptop> urg, C code in a .h file
[22:53] <Randomskk> aeroquad is /full/ of it
[22:53] <Randomskk> danielsaul is making a quadcopter using some of their stuff and it's really annoying
[22:53] <Randomskk> like they just have .h files for everything
[22:53] <Randomskk> all with code in :/
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[22:54] <fsphil-laptop> there's no need for it
[22:57] <Laurenceb_> Randomskk: yeah
[22:57] <Laurenceb_> look at mavlink
[22:57] <Laurenceb_> thats horrific
[22:57] <Randomskk> :|
[22:57] <Randomskk> why do they do this
[22:57] <Randomskk> it's bad C
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[22:59] <Laurenceb_> gnu make can get confused
[23:02] <Dan-K2VOL> hooray for white star! SpeedBall sent it's first live telemetry from out in the real world today! http://track.whitestarballoon.com/
[23:03] <Laurenceb_> why does farnell have a tickbox for 0 amplifiers in my opamp ic
[23:03] <fsphil-laptop> nice one Dan-K2VOL
[23:03] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: show me the data? See it! zoom in on the map to see our payload loop the park via Iridium :-) http://t.co/fnYWwXg1 #ukhas [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/191663126838652928]
[23:04] <griffonbot> @steamfire: RT @LVL1WhiteStar: show me the data? See it! zoom in on the map to see our payload loop the park via Iridium :-) http://t.co/fnYWwXg1 ... [http://twitter.com/steamfire/status/191663384024989697]
[23:05] <fsphil-laptop> hehe, Helium Temperature: 5397.00 (Degrees C)
[23:10] <griffonbot> @Lallynaut: Hello world! It is a beautiful day outside, nice to see the sun after a year inside. Iridium is shining loud and clear too! #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/Lallynaut/status/191664942200524800]
[23:11] <Dan-K2VOL> lol fsphil-laptop yes, we accidentally turned on the fusion reactor
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[23:17] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Hi friends, if you'd like to hear about unmanned ballooning firsthand, follow our balloon robot. His name is Lally: @LallyNaut #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/191666457418014722]
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[23:20] <tstowe> White Star, I heard you guys were a hit at one of the Makers Fairs
[23:20] <tstowe> oh...a bot, oh well :)
[23:21] <Randomskk> various white star members are on here I think :P
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[23:21] <Dan-K2VOL> hellow
[23:21] <Dan-K2VOL> hi tstowe
[23:21] <Dan-K2VOL> we were :-)
[23:21] <Randomskk> too late :P
[23:21] <Dan-K2VOL> haha
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[23:46] <griffonbot> Received email: Dan Bowen "[UKHAS] Lally sees the sun, hears Iridium!"
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[23:55] <Dan-K2VOL> here is a link to pics of the data and us: http://imgur.com/a/kAHTe
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