highaltitude.log.20120407

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[02:49] <schofieldau> growl notifications for irssi: why did I not think of this earlier
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[05:02] <spacekitteh> welp
[05:02] <spacekitteh> modeling a uav blimp in sysml is hard work
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[07:44] <Upu> morning
[07:45] <daveake> morning
[07:45] <SpeedEvil> Morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[07:46] <daveake> We're off to Bletchley Park later. Should be interesting
[07:47] <SpeedEvil> :)
[07:47] <Upu> I'd like to do that sometime
[07:50] <daveake> Julie bought me the tickets etc in a presentation pack for my b'day
[07:50] <SpeedEvil> :)
[07:51] <SpeedEvil> See if you can blag some of the infinite tape.
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[07:51] <daveake> Along with the Haynes Apollo and Space Shuttle manuals. I think she's got me figured out by now .... :)
[07:52] <SpeedEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.com/fascia.jpg - haynes are lying bastards.
[07:52] <daveake> SpeedEvil Do you think they'd miss some?
[07:52] <SpeedEvil> This was a 5 min job to replace the heater knobs.
[07:52] <daveake> lol
[07:53] <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately, when I went to step 3 - after 'push control unit behind dash'
[07:53] <SpeedEvil> 'Unscrew access panel' - there was no access panel
[07:53] <daveake> On the plus side, reassembly is the reverse of disassembly. :p
[07:54] <SpeedEvil> Fortunately - it was also wrong about not being able to remove the dash without removing the steering wheel, with all the airbaggy joy.
[07:54] <daveake> All that for some heater knobs??
[07:54] <SpeedEvil> :/
[07:54] <SpeedEvil> One heater knob.
[07:55] <daveake> Blimey. Changes mine on the Elise. Pull old ones off --> push new ones on
[07:55] <SpeedEvil> But once it was pushed inside, it was totally impossible to get out again
[07:55] <daveake> ah
[07:55] <SpeedEvil> yeah - the problem is the thing it attached to had broken
[07:55] <daveake> gottit
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[08:26] <schofieldau> Darkside: http://youtu.be/QSY1izhbv74
[08:27] <schofieldau> new concept for data transmission: we're going to need some very bright LEDs :P
[08:27] <Darkside> haha cool
[08:27] <Darkside> pfff
[08:27] <Darkside> very nice :-)
[08:29] <Darkside> schofieldau: where in adelaide are you?
[08:29] <schofieldau> also, tidied up my code and switched to your GPS driver that uses polling
[08:29] <schofieldau> in the hills
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[08:29] <Darkside> bah
[08:30] <schofieldau> http://github.com/ajhutton/TinyTracker
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[08:33] <fsphil> schofieldau, you jest but I've got some 5W LEDs for it :)
[08:33] <schofieldau> heh
[08:36] <schofieldau> maybe lasers
[08:38] Action: SpeedEvil mehs.
[08:39] <fsphil> hehe
[08:39] <SpeedEvil> Cree haven't sent my samples
[08:39] <SpeedEvil> I've noted before, 1W LASER diodes + few nanometer half-width filters may be interesting.
[08:40] <G0DJA> Don't know how you would keep the baloon steady but... http://www.microwavers.org/indexs.htm
[08:40] <G0DJA> See November/December issue
[08:40] <G0DJA> Plus a local was experimenting with bouncing light off clouds using superbright LEDs
[08:41] <Darkside> haha
[08:41] <schofieldau> I've got it
[08:41] <Darkside> i'm receiving a payload with a RTL dongle
[08:41] <Darkside> lawl
[08:41] <fsphil> I wasn't going to have a lens on the LED on the balloon, and use a big Fresnel lens or telescope on the ground
[08:41] <schofieldau> we need a steadycam
[08:41] <schofieldau> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UytSNlHw8J8
[08:42] <schofieldau> Darkside: oh really?
[08:42] <G0DJA> There was a talk on using Fresnel lenses from OHP units at Finningley the other year
[08:42] <Darkside> oh wow, dl0-fldigi just crashed
[08:42] <Darkside> badly
[08:42] <fsphil> latest?
[08:43] <Darkside> dunno
[08:43] <Darkside> i'm on windows
[08:43] <fsphil> does it do the habitat stuff?
[08:43] <Darkside> noooo ide
[08:43] <Darkside> idea
[08:43] <Darkside> 3.21.13
[08:44] <fsphil> ah, not the habitat one
[08:44] <Darkside> hrm
[08:44] <Darkside> so theres a newer version?
[08:44] <fsphil> a beta anyway, but it seems quite stable. although G0DJA reports it slowing down eventually
[08:45] <schofieldau> where's the spacenear.us test one?
[08:45] <schofieldau> where I can submit sentences and see if they work?
[08:45] <fsphil> Darkside, https://github.com/downloads/danielrichman/dl-fldigi/dl-fldigi-3.21.38_setup.exe
[08:45] <Darkside> schofieldau: do that once you have your sentence structure sorted out
[08:46] <fsphil> I've been using that version (on linux) the last few launches
[08:47] <G0DJA> Video of a system using Fresnel lenses (the record was brocken again later in the year)
[08:47] <Darkside> ok
[08:47] <G0DJA> http://sheffieldarc.org.uk/2011/01/711/
[08:49] <Darkside> haha this is cool
[08:49] <Darkside> i cans ee the entirety of a DAB multiplex
[08:50] <schofieldau> sounds cool
[08:50] <fsphil> now, get a decoder written :)
[08:51] <Darkside> fuck off
[08:51] <Darkside> :P
[08:51] <G0DJA> fsphil It may be that I have too many things running though. I'm hoping to set up another PC that will only run DL-FLDigi (but I will use for all of my audio stuff from Amateur Radio) so I can have spacenear.us running on a different PC
[08:51] <Darkside> DRM is bad enough
[08:51] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/Zym9U.jpg
[08:51] <fsphil> DRM is awful
[08:51] <Darkside> fsphil: are we thinking of the same DRM
[08:51] <fsphil> yea, the radio DRM
[08:51] <Darkside> :P
[08:52] <Darkside> audio wuality over DRM is shithoise
[08:52] <Darkside> shithouse*
[08:52] <Darkside> worse than regular shortwave imo
[08:52] <G0DJA> Radio Modial was very clunky! EasyPal much better
[08:52] <Darkside> G0DJA: i'm talking about the commercial DRM mode
[08:52] <Darkside> not the dodgy ham modes
[08:52] <fsphil> I received some LW DRM on 252khz a while back, it sounded meh
[08:52] <Darkside> yeah
[08:52] <Darkside> its crap
[08:52] <Darkside> something like 14kbps
[08:52] <fsphil> I received it with a TV capture card which was neat
[08:53] <fsphil> they need to use more bandwidth, even a little bit would improve the quality
[08:53] <Darkside> theres a 20KHz wide mode
[08:54] <fsphil> DAB has pretty awful quality too, but that's more the fault of the broadcasters
[08:54] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: Not really.
[08:54] <SpeedEvil> It's MP2.
[08:54] <fsphil> yea, but even MP2 sounds good at the right bitrate
[08:54] <fsphil> 192khz for example
[08:54] <SpeedEvil> Though bitrate doesn't heklp of course.
[08:54] <fsphil> 192kbit/s even
[08:55] <SpeedEvil> I note that some 'music' channels on DAB are 64K
[08:55] Action: fsphil units fail
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[08:58] Action: SpeedEvil can never remember which B is right.
[08:58] <SpeedEvil> Also - more annoying than DAB.
[08:58] <SpeedEvil> Fucking compression.
[08:59] <SpeedEvil> It should be required to broadcast a correcting datastream to undo this.
[09:01] <fsphil> or just don't do it, have the receiver do it with an option to disable
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[09:02] <SpeedEvil> Or that.
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[09:02] <G0DJA> I did try DRM on SW once or twice. There was a German stn that transmitted in English but couldn't find any programmes that I wanted to listen to
[09:07] <G0DJA> Politically goverments want broadcasters to go digital and tell the public it's going to be better than analogue but then, because it's never implemented correctly, it isn't and listeners get fed up
[09:08] <SpeedEvil> :/
[09:08] <natrium42> but we do need to eliminate wasted bandwith
[09:08] <natrium42> and analog wastes too much
[09:08] <SpeedEvil> natrium42: Sure.
[09:09] <SpeedEvil> natrium42: Though the rush to digital in the UK has meant we're locked into a very spectrally inefficient system.
[09:09] <natrium42> can't easily reallocate, eh
[09:09] <SpeedEvil> It would break all the installed set of receivers.
[09:10] <Darkside> haha this SDR is shithouse on 2m
[09:10] <Darkside> pagers fuck it over
[09:10] <natrium42> Darkside: what do you think of http://pervices.com/
[09:10] <fsphil> worse than the funcube dongle?
[09:11] <natrium42> my friends are making it, asked them if i can get one for free :)
[09:11] <SpeedEvil> Darkside: the DtV thingy?
[09:11] <SpeedEvil> Services for perverts?
[09:11] <Darkside> fsphil: yes, worse than the FCD
[09:11] <Darkside> natrium42: no isea
[09:11] <SpeedEvil> Ah - no.
[09:11] <Darkside> idea*
[09:11] <SpeedEvil> Err - PCI?
[09:11] <Darkside> anyway, my tv tuner card has a worse frontend tuner than the funcube dongle does
[09:11] <natrium42> yeah, pci express
[09:11] <SpeedEvil> It should really say that.
[09:12] <SpeedEvil> I would have closed the page.
[09:12] <natrium42> it says PCIe
[09:12] <G0DJA> Too many times get Station Off Air when it's not and I'm on a hill!
[09:12] <SpeedEvil> http://www.pervices.com/about.html
[09:12] <G0DJA> Got to get Meggy - Back later
[09:12] <SpeedEvil> Phi is currently designed as a PCI card for developers. It is hardware (a software defined radio) that allows software developers to write applications to interact with all types of wireless signals and wireless devices.
[09:12] <SpeedEvil> No e
[09:12] <natrium42> h
[09:13] <natrium42> i see, well, i will tell them to clarify it :)
[09:13] <natrium42> http://70.33.247.36/shop/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=42
[09:13] <natrium42> that one says PCIe
[09:13] <SpeedEvil> Is it common to refer to PCIe as PCI?
[09:13] <SpeedEvil> I've been out of the 'new hardware' buisness for some time
[09:13] <natrium42> dunno
[09:13] <SpeedEvil> My newest desktop motherboard has no PCIe slots.
[09:14] <schofieldau> "Phi can capture over the air waves, so with the right app, you can watch cable for free." sounds slightly illegal
[09:14] <natrium42> why? of course it does, SpeedEvil
[09:15] <SpeedEvil> err - what?
[09:17] <SpeedEvil> natrium42: It has PCI, not PCIe.
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[09:33] <jschall> how can i do a ballpark conversion from IAS to TAS with pressure altitude and no temperature (no reliable thermometers on the autopilot hardware)
[09:34] <jschall> that will work for people who want to use the autopilot for balloon-drop gliders (no 2% rule-of-thumb)
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[10:06] <cuddykid> gm
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[10:16] <griffonbot> Received email: navrac "[UKHAS] OZZIE2 LAUNCH 08/04/12 - Update"
[10:18] <SpeedEvil> The rabbit dildoing just leapt out at me.
[10:18] <SpeedEvil> Err
[10:18] <SpeedEvil> mischan, as you may have gathered.
[10:18] <SpeedEvil> http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/09/13/1006265107.full.pdf - I was discussing this paper - high protein potatos, for context. Page 3, column 2, para 2
[10:20] <schofieldau> "Furthermore, the samples of transgenic tubers were found
[10:20] <schofieldau> to be nonirritating to the vaginal mucous membrane of the rabbits."
[10:21] <schofieldau> (for the lazy)
[10:21] <SpeedEvil> It's an interesting process - doubling (from 10-20% dry matter) of potatos.
[10:23] <schofieldau> Why was the rabbit dildoing a necessary test?
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[10:24] <SpeedEvil> Well - if you've got rabbits, and potatos, and are bored, I guess.
[10:25] <SpeedEvil> Maybe it's a standard assay.
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[10:43] <schofieldau> hey jdtanner
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[10:49] <RocketBoy> ping: upu
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[10:50] <RocketBoy> ping: upu
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[11:18] <Upu> hi RocketBoy sorry was out with the dog again
[11:18] <RocketBoy> people will talk ;-)
[11:18] <Upu> DNS issue ?
[11:18] <Upu> I know :)
[11:19] <RocketBoy> is it ok for you now?
[11:19] <Upu> sec its was a DNS issue so let me check my cache
[11:20] <Upu> still an issue
[11:21] <Upu> the name servers for the domain aren't giving a response for www.randomengineering.co.uk
[11:22] Action: Darkside is watching LIDs on 70m
[11:22] <Darkside> 70cm*
[11:22] <Upu> http://pastebin.com/QYdyN9UH
[11:22] <Upu> ignore first dig was in error
[11:23] <RocketBoy> humm - more digging required then
[11:23] <RocketBoy> is www.randomaerospace.com OK
[11:23] <RocketBoy> \
[11:24] <Upu> that works
[11:25] <Darkside> jesys christ the frontend on this tv tuner card is SHIT
[11:25] <Darkside> absolutely shit
[11:26] <RocketBoy> OK - gotta track down
[11:26] <BrainDamage> NF=10^10?
[11:26] <Darkside> BrainDamage: IP3 <0dBm
[11:26] <BrainDamage> :/
[11:27] <Darkside> it is interesting to play with though
[11:29] <Upu> Noticed your logo had gone awol from my site Steve
[11:31] <Upu> I'd be speaking to whoever does the name servers thats where the fault lies
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[11:57] <fsphil> Darkside, I guess it's only fit for it's purpose as a FM/DAB receiver
[11:58] <Darkside> yep.
[11:58] <Darkside> though i am decoding an analogue sonde with it atm
[11:58] <Darkside> >_>
[11:59] <fsphil> nice
[11:59] <Darkside> i'm using it with HDSDR on windows
[11:59] <Darkside> works nicely actually
[11:59] <SpeedEvil> 'how do I strip headphone cables'
[11:59] <SpeedEvil> http://fatpita.net/?i=6460
[11:59] <fsphil> with their permission
[12:00] <fsphil> I gotta try HDSDR some day
[12:00] <fsphil> I keep hearing good things about it
[12:00] <fsphil> but it doesn't work with wine at all
[12:00] <Darkside> heh
[12:00] <Darkside> yeah
[12:00] <Darkside> its nice on windows
[12:01] <schofieldau> Darkside: what model tuner are you using?
[12:01] <Darkside> its got a FC0012 in it
[12:01] <Darkside> which is shit
[12:02] <Darkside> but the E4000 is also shit
[12:02] <Darkside> they're all shit for anything other than their intended purpose
[12:02] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/ymuLK.jpg
[12:02] <fsphil> you made an SDR didn't you? how does that compare?
[12:03] <Darkside> hah its not finished yet
[12:03] <Darkside> and thats designed for HF
[12:04] <fsphil> what sort of bandwidth?
[12:04] <Darkside> mine will do 48KHz with the USB sound card board
[12:04] <Darkside> but yo could plug it into a different sound card and get more bandwidth
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[12:33] <Lunar_Lander> good afternoon everyone
[12:33] <schofieldau> hey Lunar :)
[12:35] <schofieldau> 'sup?
[12:37] <Upu> http://hint.fm/wind/
[12:43] <RocketBoy> upu
[12:46] <RocketBoy> it turned out that the DNS for randomengineering.co.uk & randomsolutions.co.uk - were still being hosted on my old SPs DNS (domain name systems) - hadn't moved them to Xilo.net when I moved over yonks ago.
[12:47] <RocketBoy> so I swung them over to xilo - but they say it will take upto 24hours to propogate
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[13:01] <Lunar_Lander> hi schofieldau I'm good and you?
[13:02] <schofieldau> yep pretty good - I've been working on my payload today
[13:03] <Lunar_Lander> cool
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[13:06] <schofieldau> hey jdtanner
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[14:21] <fsphil> mmm chocolate sundae
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[14:23] <schofieldau> mmm
[14:23] Action: SpeedEvil is having natural yogurt + raspberry jam + ice cream
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[14:32] <cuddykid> has anyone here used any php frameworks before?
[14:43] <cuddykid> still can't decide whether to include camera on this flight :S
[14:44] <fsphil> always nice to have pics
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[14:45] <jdtanner> @schofieldau Hi! Managed to get back here after fighting with Adium :)
[14:45] <jdtanner> Having any luck with your tracker code?
[14:45] <cuddykid> fsphil: yep, almost seems a waste to fly without a camera :?
[14:45] <cuddykid> * :/
[14:46] <cuddykid> but then it adds ~250g onto alt attempt
[14:46] <schofieldau> jdtanner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSY1izhbv74
[14:46] <fsphil> can you get a smaller camera?
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[14:46] <fsphil> I'm adding a uart camera to my alt flight
[14:46] <schofieldau> jdtanner: also if adium gives you the shits you may want to try X-Chat Aqua
[14:46] <jdtanner> Ok :)
[14:47] <jdtanner> Looks great!!!
[14:48] <cuddykid> fsphil: probably not, really pushing the budget out as it is :(
[14:48] <schofieldau> jdtanner: the two blinky lights are plugged in where the radio module would normally be
[14:48] <cuddykid> still weighing up whether it's work spending >£100 for this flight
[14:48] <jdtanner> @schofieldau: Looks like you are nearly ready to get up and running once you've got a radio module?
[14:49] <cuddykid> might just fly a pico instead..
[14:49] <UpuHome> I see a Darkside NEO6 there :)
[14:49] <schofieldau> jdtanner: yep - in fact, I already have an NTX2. only problem is I don't own a receiver
[14:49] <Darkside> :P
[14:49] <jdtanner> haha&me neither!!!
[14:49] <schofieldau> heh, it's working quite nicely
[14:49] <cuddykid> is default power on rfm 10mW?
[14:50] <fsphil> cuddykid, yea. if it's an alt attempt then don't waste the weight
[14:50] <schofieldau> although I do have to unplug the GPS when I program the arduino
[14:50] <UpuHome> put an in series 10k resistor on the GPS RX/TX
[14:51] <schofieldau> thanks :)
[14:51] <jdtanner> Why would you need to do that?
[14:52] <UpuHome> I've lost the article on it now
[14:52] <schofieldau> jdtanner: the GPS is connected to the serial port which also is used to program the arduino
[14:52] <schofieldau> so when I plug it into my computer to program, the computer is connected to both the GPS and the arduino
[14:52] <schofieldau> so weird stuff happens
[14:52] <jdtanner> Ah right, got you.
[14:53] <schofieldau> the resistor must somehow fix that
[14:53] <UpuHome> but if you put some resistors on it the Arduino should take preference
[14:53] <Darkside> i'd just unplug the gps...
[14:53] <jdtanner> Ah right, got you.
[14:53] <UpuHome> I have an indepth article somewhere on it but I can't locate it
[14:53] <jdtanner> :)
[14:53] <UpuHome> or what Darkside says
[14:53] <schofieldau> haha yep that's what I've been doing
[14:53] <jdtanner> In depth > schofieldau
[14:53] <jdtanner> In shallow > jdtanner :)
[14:53] <UpuHome> need it for RFM22B's when your programming via ICSP
[14:54] <schofieldau> haha waist-deep I'd say
[14:54] <jdtanner> :P
[14:54] Nick change: UpuHome -> Upu
[14:54] <schofieldau> also, Darkside, the BATT pin on the ublox breakout, is that V_BCKP (pin 22)
[14:55] <jdtanner> It is looking really good mate; I've been watching your code evolve on github&very nice. Incidentally, what is the little black piece of hardware in the top left corner of your breadboard?
[14:55] <schofieldau> that sentence had as many commas as an NMEA line
[14:55] <schofieldau> cheers jdtanner :)
[14:56] <Darkside> schofieldau: yes. i think i'e already shorted the pads on the pcb
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[14:56] <schofieldau> the black piece of hardware
[14:56] <schofieldau> is just a dodgy little thing I made
[14:57] <schofieldau> it's a header off an old video card
[14:57] <schofieldau> and then I soldered bare pins to the bottom
[14:57] <schofieldau> it's to replace that spaghetti setup in the other picture
[14:57] <schofieldau> now I can just plug my FTDI cable straight in to it
[14:57] <jdtanner> Nice recycling :p
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[14:58] <schofieldau> Darkside: okay
[14:58] <schofieldau> also I'm absolutely awful at desoldering
[14:58] <jdtanner> Right, I'm afraid that duty calls chaps&I'll drop in tomorrow to say hello and ask some more daft questions :)
[14:58] <schofieldau> so it's a bit mangled because it ended in a fight to the death between me and the video card with me brandashing a set of pliers and a soldering iron
[14:59] <schofieldau> see ya jdtanner :)
[14:59] <jdtanner> &that is always the best type of fight :) see you
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[15:27] <schofieldau> night all
[15:29] <fsphil> nite schofieldau
[15:31] <gonzo_p> gd arvo all
[15:31] <gonzo_p> ozzie2 still on sched for tomorrow?
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[15:34] <cuddykid> cut styrofoam pieces for small payload box
[15:34] <cuddykid> -camera
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[15:37] <G0DJA> Test
[15:37] <G0DJA> Anyone seeing this?
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[15:37] <Darkside> nope
[15:41] <fsphil> hehe
[15:41] <fsphil> gonzo_p, seems so, from the last email
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[15:42] <navrac> yeah gonzoP - weather permitting - migh have to delay by an hour or so till the rain clears
[15:42] <fsphil> although possibly delayed by rain
[15:42] <fsphil> same sort of direction if it floats navrac?
[15:42] <gonzo_p> you have a path prediction for it?
[15:42] <navrac> france
[15:43] <navrac> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=f54f739365bc0cdfcddd7f53397be7cd8631803c
[15:43] <gonzo_p> thabks
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[15:46] <gonzo_p> will be interesting to see if we get muchfrom shropshire
[15:47] <navrac> I think it should have a range of 200km+
[15:48] <gonzo_p> there is a bit of elevated ground near, sp poss can use thyat, if I take the gprs modem
[15:48] <fsphil> if it floats far looks like it's heading for italy
[15:50] <navrac> would be nice - but floats are the exception = just going to try to replicate the last one
[15:50] <navrac> italy would be cool
[15:50] <fsphil> yea it does seem to be luck if the balloon tears or not
[15:50] <cuddykid> navrac: can you code it to crank up the power once over international waters?
[15:51] <navrac> well ive saved a balloon from the same batch as ozzie1
[15:51] <cuddykid> or.. after x mins -> crank up power as it will have left uk by then
[15:51] <navrac> yes - but its a long time till it gets there
[15:52] <navrac> i might monitor the battery use and if the solar has worked then transmit every 3rd packet at quite a lot of power
[15:52] <cuddykid> sounds a good idea
[15:53] <navrac> power is quite critical though- not a lot to spare if it needs to last 2 daysa
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[15:57] <Morseman> Test
[15:58] <navrac> test back
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[16:00] <G0DJA> Thats strange...
[16:00] <G0DJA> I sent the other two messages as Morseman, or so it says on my other PC...
[16:01] <Morseman> Hi navrac - what screen name is showing for this message please?
[16:02] <G0DJA> Ah, now it's showing as Morseman
[16:02] <G0DJA> Weird
[16:03] <G0DJA> Is this one working now?
[16:03] <fsphil> seems fine
[16:04] <Morseman> One downstairs isn't receiving people messages
[16:04] <Morseman> I came home to find both routers not connected and not accepting Wifi connections
[16:05] <G0DJA> Oh, it is now
[16:05] <G0DJA> Computers - Bah
[16:06] <fsphil> who need 'em :)
[16:06] <fsphil> +s
[16:06] <Laurenceb_> Morseman: are they BT ones by any chance?
[16:07] <G0DJA> Wash your mouth out Laurenceb_ !!!
[16:07] <Laurenceb_> lol
[16:07] <Laurenceb_> yeah my BT router got some sort of firmware update
[16:07] <Laurenceb_> now its screwed
[16:07] <G0DJA> The works one is Zen net and the other one *was* tiscali but now talktalk (spit)
[16:08] <G0DJA> I've been thinking of changing provider, then TT got a bit better and now they are rubbish again
[16:09] <fsphil> nildram became crap when tt bought them out
[16:09] <G0DJA> Robots keep calling and leaving messages on answer machine and the people who call are little better
[16:09] <fsphil> do you get them calling at the door?
[16:09] <G0DJA> Not any more thank goodness
[16:09] <fsphil> I had three in one day -- very nearly called the police on them
[16:10] <G0DJA> I put up one of theose "No salesmen/no religious people" notices
[16:10] <fsphil> does that work?
[16:10] <fsphil> actually there hasn't been any religious callers in ages here
[16:10] <fsphil> guess they've given up on us :)
[16:11] <G0DJA> The JWs built a church within walking distance and we get plauged by them if you don't put up a sign
[16:11] <G0DJA> Kate wanted to put a goats skull up
[16:11] <NigelMoby> god will never give up on you Phil lol
[16:11] <fsphil> lol
[16:12] <g0mjw> What's up?
[16:13] <fsphil> nothing at the moment g0mjw, although there's a pico launch tomorrow
[16:13] <g0mjw> Pico. Where?
[16:13] <fsphil> predicted flight: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=f54f739365bc0cdfcddd7f53397be7cd8631803c
[16:13] <G0DJA> WWX depending g0mjw
[16:14] <G0DJA> WX even
[16:14] <g0mjw> Moldova? hmm. Not exactly local landing then
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[16:18] <Laurenceb_> haha
[16:18] <Laurenceb_> epic flight path
[16:20] <G0DJA> Would it really float all that way after bursting over the channel at 5,500m ?
[16:21] <fsphil> the burst in the prediction represents the start of the float
[16:21] <fsphil> it's a bit of a trick.. program it to burst at the float altitude, and have a reallllly slow descent speed
[16:21] <fsphil> a proper float predictor doesn't exist yet
[16:21] <fsphil> well, there's the nasa one
[16:21] <G0DJA> Ah, just seen the 0.0001m/s decent rate
[16:24] <fsphil> hysplit prediction for 5km float: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/17728_trj001.gif
[16:24] <fsphil> represents 24 hours
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[16:53] <jcoxon> wb8elk is in the air
[16:53] <Dan-K2VOL> yay
[16:55] <jcoxon> just updating the predictions
[16:55] <Dan-K2VOL> nice
[16:55] <Dan-K2VOL> hey James
[16:55] <Dan-K2VOL> how are you doing
[16:55] <Dan-K2VOL> excited to see you'll be joining us again this year
[16:55] <jcoxon> not bad thanks Dan-K2VOL
[16:56] <jcoxon> yes - work permitting of course!
[16:56] <Dan-K2VOL> :-) hopefully you'll have several on-off shifts at work during our flight ;-)
[16:56] <jcoxon> exactly
[16:58] <jcoxon> i know you are running sims but how long before you are technically ready to fly?
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[17:00] <Dan-K2VOL> I'm not sure james, it's been tough getting some of the team to finish things
[17:00] <Dan-K2VOL> others have been awesome
[17:00] <jcoxon> same old issues :-)
[17:00] <Dan-K2VOL> eh yeah, it's getting to the fun part though
[17:02] <Dan-K2VOL> going to try Join.me pro for allowing people to view mission control screens
[17:02] <Darkside> not many fishies, left in the sea... not many fishies, just londo and meeeeee
[17:02] <Darkside> time to sleep
[17:02] <Darkside> nn
[17:02] <Dan-K2VOL> hey darkside
[17:02] <Dan-K2VOL> before you go
[17:02] <Darkside> mmm
[17:02] <Dan-K2VOL> would you consider joining our White Star remote mission control team?
[17:03] <Darkside> uhh
[17:03] <Dan-K2VOL> you can think about it and get back to me
[17:03] <Darkside> i have no idea what that entails
[17:03] <Dan-K2VOL> I'll send you a link
[17:03] <Darkside> i'm in australia, i'm not going to be able to hear the payload
[17:03] <Dan-K2VOL> :-) you're exactly where we need someone
[17:03] <Darkside> its not going to get to me
[17:03] <Dan-K2VOL> :-D it uses satellite telemetry up and down
[17:04] <Darkside> what so you need a ground station?
[17:04] <Darkside> or just someone thats awake
[17:04] <Dan-K2VOL> someone that's awake and knows balloons :-)
[17:04] <Darkside> oh lol
[17:04] <Darkside> yeah i can do that..
[17:04] <Dan-K2VOL> http://wiki.whitestarballoon.com/doku.php?id=missionoperations:remoteoperatorsintro
[17:05] <Darkside> ok
[17:05] <Darkside> when i wake up :P
[17:05] <Dan-K2VOL> :-) sleep well
[17:05] <navrac> evening james
[17:07] <jcoxon> hey navrac
[17:07] <navrac> hiya
[17:07] <jcoxon> i see ozzie is testing
[17:07] <navrac> just programming ozzie to send UKHAS in morse
[17:07] <jcoxon> hehe
[17:07] <jcoxon> i have code for that
[17:07] <navrac> yep - I'm trying to sort out the power drain
[17:07] <Dan-K2VOL> cool navrac
[17:07] <Dan-K2VOL> hey upu
[17:08] <jcoxon> what does the current battery field mean? is it negative if solar is being used
[17:09] <navrac> ~Well at nighttime ( which is longer than i thought) i think im going to send ukhas once every 2 minutes - hopefully if it goes out of listeners range someone might do a google search and find the site
[17:09] <navrac> -ve is battery draining in mA (its a bit random at the minute as the caps that average it are out)
[17:09] <navrac> +ve is getting charge from the solar
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[17:10] <navrac> solar goes -ve for draining and if it goes +ve its noise!
[17:10] <Dan-K2VOL> navrac what was your website?
[17:11] <navrac> im sending ukhas so they find ukhas.org as its high in the search engines and the main page points to the mailing list and chat channel
[17:11] <jcoxon> navrac, good plan
[17:11] <navrac> so if someone hears it we might get a rough idea where it is
[17:11] <navrac> I got about 18 hours out of the batteries on yesterdays test
[17:11] <jcoxon> as long as its trackable - i reckon we can do it
[17:12] <cuddykid> navrac: I have to say, your launches are the best!
[17:12] <Dan-K2VOL> navrac, I hope that's actually ukhas.org.uk ?
[17:12] <navrac> sadly after midnight the drift meant it didnt get sent to habhub so i lost the life v's battery info I was after
[17:13] <navrac> too much battery use to send ukhasdotorgdotuk
[17:13] <navrac> UKHAS will have to suffice
[17:13] <cuddykid> yeah just stick with UKHAS
[17:13] <jcoxon> ukhas will be fine
[17:14] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian found us with just a undecodable rtty signal
[17:14] <Dan-K2VOL> upu u around?
[17:14] <navrac> I'm now changing the daytime code to leave a gap between transmissions andf try to minimise drift so i save more power
[17:14] <jcoxon> hehe
[17:15] <jcoxon> you are power saving crazy
[17:15] <navrac> although the gps is taking very little, this rfm22 is taking more than previous ones and seems to give less output
[17:16] <navrac> well I've upped the output from 8dbm to 11dbm to compensate and keep the range up - but it adds 20mA which I don't have spare
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[17:16] <navrac> so tonight is final software tweaks and glue the payload together and check all the wiring for weaknesses
[17:17] <eroomde> throw it down the stairs
[17:17] <navrac> oh and cut a hole to stick the gps antenna through the top as the top surface is 90% covered with solar cells
[17:17] <jcoxon> out a window
[17:18] <navrac> already dropped it out the window several times.
[17:18] <navrac> didnt mean to - but its the only place i get good gps reception
[17:18] <daveake> :)
[17:18] <navrac> the meter followed it yesterday
[17:19] <eroomde> you woldnt be thenfirstto drop payloads out of a window while tring to get a gps lock
[17:19] <navrac> just hoping the rain holds off
[17:19] <navrac> last forecast i saw was light rain in the morning and then clearing at 1 ish
[17:20] <navrac> no rain forecast for france so thats good
[17:21] <navrac> right im going back to the office to do more tests.
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[17:24] <jcoxon> seems like wb8elk10 isn't report altitude correctly
[17:24] <jcoxon> stopped at 21729m
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[17:36] <Morseman> Stick it in the freezer to see what temp it will go down to?
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[17:57] <cuddykid> can anyone else not get onto the UKHAS google group page? been down all day for me (server isn't responding)
[17:58] <cuddykid> on it now after some url modifications :P
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[18:04] <navrac_> this external temp sensor has to go - nearly 0.6mA - not wasting that
[18:04] <Randomskk> I'm sure you can get better temp sensors than that
[18:04] <navrac_> its probably less
[18:05] <Randomskk> http://uk.farnell.com/texas-instruments/tmp102aidrlt/ic-temperature-sensor/dp/1652477 85 micro amps
[18:05] <navrac_> its a dsb1820 thing - 4k7 pull up
[18:05] <Randomskk> aah
[18:05] <navrac_> probably does take less
[18:05] <Randomskk> the pullup shouldn't have current going through it the whole time
[18:05] <navrac_> true
[18:05] <Randomskk> in fact only while talking to it while sending 0
[18:05] <Randomskk> surely
[18:05] <Randomskk> in other words pretty rarely
[18:06] <navrac_> would just like to save another few mA
[18:06] <navrac_> something is using more than it should
[18:06] <navrac_> gps+tx in stadby is 20mA
[18:06] <Randomskk> always annoying to track down what exactly is using power
[18:06] <Randomskk> especially when it turns out to be something silly
[18:06] <navrac_> I think its the rfm module taking more than it should
[18:07] <navrac_> I changed the module and now the toatal power eing taking is > the sum of all the individual bits were measured at
[18:08] <navrac_> not a lot of time to find it either.
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[18:27] <Bob_G8NSV> hi all
[18:29] <G0DJA> Hi Bob_G8NSV
[18:37] <navrac_> hi bob
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[18:40] <Upu> ping Dan-K2VOL I'm here now
[18:43] <Dan-K2VOL> hey upu
[18:43] <Dan-K2VOL> how's it going
[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> hey Dan-K2VOL
[18:43] <Dan-K2VOL> hi lunar lander
[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> yesterday we solved a problem
[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> I once showed a friend of mine the cryo test of your cutdown
[18:44] <Dan-K2VOL> oh?
[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> and he assumed that there must be a big battery to get the wire glowing
[18:44] <Dan-K2VOL> oh not really, 4 lithium AAs
[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> but actually when I showed him Tim Zaman's setup melting styrofoam he agreed that he probably overestimated it
[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:45] <Dan-K2VOL> :-)
[18:45] <Dan-K2VOL> it's Nichrome wire, 30 ga
[18:45] <Lunar_Lander> he wanted to use a 2000 mA lipoly
[18:45] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:45] <Lunar_Lander> and then we discussed lipoly at low temps here
[18:45] <Lunar_Lander> actually he experimented with copper wire from a PC PSU
[18:45] <Lunar_Lander> but I looked at nichrome
[18:45] <Lunar_Lander> and at constantan
[18:45] <Lunar_Lander> the latter one should be good too I think
[18:46] <Dan-K2VOL> not sure, haven't looked at it's availability
[18:47] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:47] <Lunar_Lander> my prof says we got it at the labs
[18:50] <fsphil-laptop> Dan-K2VOL, you doing the voice thing again this flight?
[18:50] <Dan-K2VOL> yes, phil, here's the new setup info: http://wiki.whitestarballoon.com/doku.php?id=missionoperations:remoteoperatorsintro
[18:50] <Dan-K2VOL> love to have you aboard
[18:50] <fsphil-laptop> brilliant, ta
[18:50] <Dan-K2VOL> and you too Lunar_lander
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[18:56] <Upu> sorry Dan-K2VOL wife called back now
[18:56] <Upu> very well thanks had a sucessful launch last weekend
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[19:01] <Upu> I'd love to assist with the whitestar launch Dan-K2VOL
[19:01] <Upu> if you get your aiming right I'll collect it too :)
[19:01] <Dan-K2VOL> awesome Upu, come aboard!
[19:01] <Dan-K2VOL> http://wiki.whitestarballoon.com/doku.php?id=missionoperations:remoteoperatorsintro
[19:01] <fsphil-laptop> aim for me, if you miss it'll head for upu :)
[19:01] <Dan-K2VOL> I'm not leaving anyone out on purpose here, everyone is welcome :-)
[19:01] <x-f> Dan, what is your 8 pm in GMT?
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> ah thanks Dan-K2VOL
[19:02] <Dan-K2VOL> It is complex, but fun
[19:02] <Dan-K2VOL> and it is easily learned during simulations.
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> have to shut dowwn
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[19:02] <Dan-K2VOL> np ttyl
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[19:03] <Dan-K2VOL> 8PM is 0000 UTC
[19:03] <x-f> thanks
[19:03] <Dan-K2VOL> sorry I haven't been including UTC lately, I'll get back to doing that
[19:05] <Upu> whats "positions" on the contact info form ?
[19:05] <Dan-K2VOL> hmm, just skip that, that's for me to write in later what positions you've trained on during simulations
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[19:08] <Dan-K2VOL> :-) thanks upu
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[19:09] <Upu> just trying to find my headset
[19:09] <Dan-K2VOL> good plan
[19:09] <fsphil-laptop> ah nuts, I had that problem last time. better go digging
[19:12] <Upu> Grr why is SkyPE such a pile of crap at the moment
[19:12] <Upu> I already have an account all I want to do is download it :/
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[19:13] <Upu> Evening daveake
[19:14] <fsphil-laptop> sirdave
[19:14] <daveake> Sir Dave? Yeah, kneel peasants!
[19:14] <daveake> Had a fun day at Bletchley Park
[19:15] <Dan-K2VOL> neat dave
[19:15] <Upu> ok I think I'm all registered, whats the Java for ?
[19:16] <Upu> ah the uplink app
[19:16] <daveake> They also have the National Museum of Computing and the National Radio Centre (latter staffed by some beardy types)
[19:16] <fsphil-laptop> the beard is part of the uniform
[19:17] <daveake> I have now ordered the RSGB foundation and intermediate books :)
[19:17] <Upu> Just do the exam :)
[19:17] <Upu> M6BUZ :)
[19:17] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[19:17] <Dan-K2VOL> it will be for the java command uplink applicaion upu
[19:17] <daveake> ol
[19:17] <fsphil-laptop> you're guaranteed to pass the foundation without any revision
[19:17] <Upu> ok I'm at your command Dan-K2VOL
[19:18] <daveake> fsphil-laptop Cool. Should I unplug the shaver from its charger now?
[19:18] <Upu> If anyone is really bored I've uploaded all 7500 pictures from this weekends launch here : https://picasaweb.google.com/118244444241111963790
[19:18] <fsphil-laptop> may as well get a head start daveake :)
[19:18] Action: fsphil-laptop can't grow a beard.. which is probably why I'm so bad at radio
[19:18] <fsphil-laptop> it must do something with the swr
[19:19] <daveake> lol They had a new SWR meter one of them just made from a kit
[19:20] <daveake> They had a very impressive transceiver. £11k worth apparently
[19:21] <fsphil-laptop> ooch. could get a fairly decent car for not much more
[19:21] <daveake> Size of a small car
[19:22] <Bob_G8NSV> any news on toms launches? is it just Ozzie2?
[19:22] <eroomde> what was the transceiber?
[19:22] <daveake> Sorry didn't notice
[19:22] <daveake> btw eroomde Your DVD is ready :)
[19:23] <eroomde> ta
[19:23] <eroomde> will give you a shout whwn im back
[19:23] <daveake> ok
[19:23] <eroomde> next 3 weeks intensely busu
[19:24] <daveake> eroomde http://www.essexham.co.uk/images/nationalradiocentre07.jpg
[19:24] <eroomde> so might be after that
[19:26] <daveake> np
[19:27] <Dan-K2VOL> cool upu
[19:28] <Upu> sec Dan-K2VOL
[19:28] <Dan-K2VOL> take your time
[19:33] <eroomde> anyone know how to curl or wget on ios devices?
[19:33] <Upu> jailbreak it
[19:33] <eroomde> i have the url of an mp4 video, i want to get it locally
[19:34] <eroomde> into videos or dropbox or something
[19:34] <eroomde> so not strictly curl or wget but functionally the same for this case
[19:36] <r2x0t> maybe try some alternative web browser for ios?
[19:36] <r2x0t> that have normal download function
[19:36] <eroomde> good idea
[19:36] <eroomde> ta
[19:40] <Bob_G8NSV> Hi navrac all ok for tom?
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[19:46] <F5MVO> good evening all
[19:47] <Upu> evening F5MVO
[19:48] <F5MVO> Upu , hello
[19:49] <F5MVO> Upu, OZZIE2 already gone ?
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[19:49] <Upu> no I believe launch is still on for tomorrow
[19:49] <daveake> tomorrow afternoon
[19:49] <Upu> navrac should be able to confirm
[19:49] <daveake> 12-1pm UK time I think#
[19:50] <F5MVO> i look at on spcanear.us
[19:50] <Upu> testing data I think
[19:50] <F5MVO> ah ok
[19:51] <F5MVO> you have OZZIE2 prediction tomorrow ?
[19:52] <Upu> Personally no
[19:54] <eroomde> F5MVO where in france are you?
[19:55] <F5MVO> eroomde, near NO of PARIS
[19:55] <Bob_G8NSV> night all see you tom
[19:55] <eroomde> i have spent all evening wondering who tom is
[19:55] <eroomde> and why you keep refering to him
[19:56] <eroomde> and his launch
[19:56] <Bob_G8NSV> !! see ya later!
[19:56] <eroomde> penny just dropped
[19:56] <Dan-K2VOL> haha
[19:56] <Dan-K2VOL> I just got it too eroomde
[19:56] <Bob_G8NSV> will be testing new yagi I made today
[19:56] <eroomde> nice
[19:57] <Bob_G8NSV> cheeras all
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[19:57] <daveake> so long yes
[19:58] <eroomde> martin short and claire short are cousins
[19:58] <eroomde> who'd have thought
[19:58] <jonsowman> you're a poet eroomde
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[19:59] <eroomde> accidental
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[20:00] <fsphil-laptop> bills flight seems to have had.. issues
[20:00] <daveake> Was reading some reviews earlier to help choose a book on Android development. One review said "This book is a load of rubbish. All I wanted was a book to show me how to use my new phone. Waste of money"
[20:00] <F5MVO> i don't remenber OZZIE2 floating balloon ?
[20:00] <fsphil-laptop> I installed the android sdk yesterday, it's huge
[20:01] <fsphil-laptop> I do wish they'd offer a C++ or C interface for the gui
[20:01] <daveake> It's only Java, right?
[20:02] <daveake> At least I only saw Java mentioned
[20:02] <fsphil-laptop> not 100%, but it looks like you can use any language for library stuff, but for anything involved with the UI needs to be java
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[20:02] <daveake> ok
[20:02] <navrac_> the data for ozzie2 is just test data
[20:03] <navrac_> the launch is at 11utc
[20:03] <navrac_> depending on weather
[20:03] <navrac_> prediction: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/17728_trj001.gif
[20:04] <F5MVO> navrac_, hello have you a prediction for tomorrow ?
[20:05] <navrac_> ^^
[20:06] <navrac_> f5MVO - I hope you are around to track the flight - you were a great help last time - thankyou
[20:06] <navrac_> this time , if it floats the batteries won't run out
[20:06] <F5MVO> no problem for tommorrow
[20:08] <navrac_> after 23 UTC it will change to send UKHAS in morse and a packet every 5 minutes. Then at 6UTC it will change back to one packet every 35 seconds
[20:12] <F5MVO> navrac_ , where i found the parameters, frequency etc...
[20:13] <navrac_> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/ukhas/kfWbUGkRums
[20:19] <griffonbot> Received email: navrac "[UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement Sunday 8/04/2010 12:00 BST (11:00GMT)
[20:22] <F5MVO> navrac_, i put your informations on french forum, for more listeners perhaps
[20:23] <navrac_> thankyou - that will be a great help
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[20:25] <Dan-K2VOL> upu sorry had wrong link for Flight Sim 1B2 flight director checklist
[20:25] <Upu> nps
[20:27] <Upu> just reading through atm
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[20:33] <Elmar_PD3EM> good evening
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[20:33] <Upu> evening Elmar
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> sorry that I had to depart so quickly
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> back for a moment
[20:33] <Elmar_PD3EM> evening upu! Got my gps connected...
[20:34] <Upu> working ?
[20:34] <Elmar_PD3EM> getting -1 from a Serial.println(mySerial.read());
[20:34] <Upu> Arduino ?
[20:34] <Elmar_PD3EM> yep 1.0
[20:34] <Upu> Which Arduino ?
[20:35] <Elmar_PD3EM> the Uno
[20:35] <Upu> Using newSoftSerial for the GPS ?
[20:35] <Elmar_PD3EM> converted the nss from ukhas wiki to SoftwareSerial
[20:35] <Upu> and its just doing 111111's ?
[20:36] <Elmar_PD3EM> "-1" 's
[20:36] <Upu> odd
[20:36] <Upu> http://pastebin.com/RQpnHEz1
[20:36] <Elmar_PD3EM> indeed
[20:36] <Upu> note the GPS begin has an odd baud rate
[20:36] <fsphil-laptop> -1 means there is either an error or nothing to read
[20:36] <fsphil-laptop> although I believe read() blocks until there is something
[20:36] <Upu> try that code
[20:36] <Elmar_PD3EM> thanks! Gonna try that
[20:37] <Upu> theres some stuff in there that isn't needed
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> is the pastebin a sample code?
[20:37] <Upu> just some code to read in from the GPS and echo it out to the Ardunio serial
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:38] <Elmar_PD3EM> getting a Lot of ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ
[20:38] <fsphil-laptop> nice pic of the ATV docking: http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/637264main_ATV_docking_full_full.jpg
[20:38] <Upu> ok I had that
[20:38] <Dan-K2VOL> lot of gas there
[20:38] <Upu> that looks cool
[20:38] <Upu> this is Arduino shitty NSS timing
[20:39] <Upu> ÿÿÿ = with my code sample ?
[20:39] <fsphil-laptop> yea-- and the ISS seems to be using thrusters too. I didn't expect that
[20:39] <r2x0t> no
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[20:39] <r2x0t> that is just light
[20:39] <fsphil-laptop> can it be though? there's nothing to reflect off
[20:39] <Dan-K2VOL> that is light being refracted and reflected by gas
[20:39] <Elmar_PD3EM> Upu yes, with your code, also after editing the pins ;-)
[20:39] <fsphil-laptop> oooooh
[20:39] <Dan-K2VOL> or particles
[20:40] <fsphil-laptop> my brain just clicked. the light is pointing at the ATV
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[20:40] <Dan-K2VOL> possibly simply incandescent hypergolic thruster exhaust
[20:40] <fsphil-laptop> I thought it was pointing up towards space
[20:40] <r2x0t> yeah
[20:40] <Upu> Elmar_PD3EM bring the baud rate back to 9600
[20:40] <r2x0t> thruster like this would destabilize entire station
[20:40] <fsphil-laptop> weird seeing light reflecting of gas in space
[20:40] <Elmar_PD3EM> ok
[20:41] <r2x0t> yes, it's weird
[20:41] <daveake> tractor beam :)
[20:41] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[20:41] <r2x0t> looks more like a underwater
[20:41] <Dan-K2VOL> interesting that there's that much density of gas to reflect the light
[20:41] <Dan-K2VOL> must be a lot of thruster exhaust hanging around from maneuvering
[20:41] <fsphil-laptop> it's a long exposure, that might help
[20:41] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah
[20:41] <Elmar_PD3EM> still the same upu
[20:42] <r2x0t> a lot of stars... and bad pixels there :)
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, I learned that the FSA03 code won't work on Arduino 1.0
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> btw I noticed it
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> so thanks for the new code
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:43] <daveake> LL In what way doesn't it work under Arduino 1.0?
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> it doesn't like that "BYTE" is used at one point
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[20:44] <daveake> And if you read the error message it tells you what to do with that :)
[20:44] <Upu> Elmar_PD3EM
[20:44] <Elmar_PD3EM> yes...
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> yeah Serial.write IIRC
[20:45] <Upu> I just tried that code with 2 Duemilanovo boards and it works ok
[20:45] <daveake> Yep
[20:45] <daveake> Easy peesy
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:45] Action: Lunar_Lander scratches his head
[20:45] <Elmar_PD3EM> ok upu, i'll try to sort out whats wrong
[20:45] <Upu> but I have see that accented y issue
[20:45] <Upu> using Arduino 1.0 ?
[20:45] <Elmar_PD3EM> yep 1.0
[20:46] <Upu> I'm using 0023
[20:46] <Upu> just try the older verion ?
[20:46] <fsphil-laptop> someone should write a better nss
[20:46] <Upu> i.imgur.com/kwAFF.jpg
[20:46] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/kwAFF.jpg even
[20:47] <Elmar_PD3EM> <ctrl> c works also ;-)
[20:47] <Elmar_PD3EM> Gonna download 0023 and test that version
[20:47] <Upu> yeah try that
[20:48] <Upu> let me know if you want it sending over
[20:48] <Elmar_PD3EM> its on the arduino website
[20:49] <Upu> ok
[20:49] <Upu> my example isn't even using NewSoftSerial
[20:49] <Upu> in fact
[20:49] <Upu> I'm sure I got the funny chars when using NewSoftSerial
[20:50] <Upu> that is I did
[20:50] <Upu> use old serial
[20:50] <Upu> and fiddle the baud rate and it works
[20:50] <Upu> but I wouldn't fly that
[20:50] <Elmar_PD3EM> I thouhgt softwareserial is newer that nss
[20:50] <daveake> ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ is a sign ....
[20:50] <Upu> GPS should use the hardware UART
[20:50] <Upu> No
[20:50] <daveake> .... that you should be using a real UART
[20:51] <Upu> yeah you can program the Arduino via the ICSP
[20:51] <Upu> and then you have the hardware UART for GPS
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> the Pin 0 and 1 on Uno right?
[20:51] <Upu> I believe so
[20:51] <x-f> NewSoftSerial was updated and renamed to SoftwareSerial on 1.0
[20:52] <Upu> ah ok
[20:52] <Upu> well that code example was done using old SS
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[20:54] <Elmar_PD3EM> com27 isn't as plug-and-play as i would like....
[20:55] <Upu> COM27? :)
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> yeah but why use SoftwareSerial when we want to use the hardware UART?
[20:55] <Elmar_PD3EM> yep, com 27... all below that are in use ;-0
[20:55] <Upu> for testing Lunar_Lander
[20:56] <Elmar_PD3EM> got a microham MK2R and a Moxa Nport server ;-)
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> what does it do exactly?
[20:57] <Elmar_PD3EM> what or wich?
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> the software serial?
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> is it that we can see the readout?
[21:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> $GPVTG,,,,,,,,,N*30
[21:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> $GPGGA,550,,,0,99,,,6
[21:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> GGAA,,,,,,9.,99,.93
[21:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> $GV1122,,,0,1*
[21:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> $PL,,2930,,4
[21:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ
[21:00] Last message repeated 2 time(s).
[21:00] <Upu> baud rate
[21:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ$GPRMC,205954.00,V,,,,,,,070412,,,N*72
[21:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> $GPVTG,,,,,,,,,N*30
[21:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> $GPGGA,550,,00,99,,,6
[21:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> GGA,,,,,,,9.,99,.93
[21:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> GGV1,12,2*1
[21:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> PL,,,55.0,*5
[21:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ
[21:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> 9600
[21:01] <Upu> try 9750
[21:02] <Elmar_PD3EM> not good,... got the ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ back at 9750
[21:02] <Upu> Bring it back towards 9650
[21:03] <Elmar_PD3EM> still those yy
[21:04] <Upu> Well I was going to run Arduino 1.0 and try it
[21:05] <Upu> but I got some wierd crap going on the with the mouse
[21:05] <Elmar_PD3EM> I gonna switch to 0023
[21:06] <Elmar_PD3EM> but grab a beer first ;-)
[21:06] <daveake> ÿ is 255; are you getting a character where there is none? i.e. do you need to test if there is a character first?
[21:07] <Upu> there is a reason I've not used Arduino 1.0 yet
[21:07] <Upu> and thats because it doesn't work properly
[21:07] <Elmar_PD3EM> well, this can be the reason
[21:07] <Lunar_Lander> that isn't good
[21:07] <daveake> A baud rate error isn't going to give you ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ ... you'd get lots of randomish characters
[21:07] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:07] <Lunar_Lander> 115200 baud is a lot, right?
[21:07] <Upu> yes
[21:07] <Upu> try the older version of Arduino
[21:07] <Elmar_PD3EM> on 9600 I get some good characters
[21:08] <Elmar_PD3EM> as pasted above
[21:08] <Upu> those funny chars crept i when I used NSS
[21:08] <Upu> its a timing issue I'm sure
[21:08] <daveake> Well I doubt it :)
[21:08] <Upu> it is :)
[21:08] <Upu> you get some sensible chars then crappy yyyys
[21:09] <daveake> To receive ÿ (255) you'd need a start bit then 8 1's then a stop bit
[21:09] <daveake> So possible if the baud rate set is much higher than the actual rate, but not if it's close
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[21:09] <Upu> you don't get them if you use old SS (at 9750 baud) or hardware
[21:09] <Elmar_PD3EM> Upu I pasted abovewhen on 9600
[21:09] <daveake> Sure,but my guess is that it's something other than a baud rate error
[21:11] <F5MVO> see you later, good night
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[21:12] <fsphil-laptop> is anything else running that might interfere with the nss interrupt?
[21:12] <Elmar_PD3EM> it's more messed up with 0023: u5eŊbŠb‚’âÒ²²±ÅÙ±Éͱ±±ÉÁ©Ý5)‘A±±QQQQYebbdfn\``X¬XœThŠÿ$GPRMC¬²‘
[21:13] <Upu> thats baud rate
[21:13] <Upu> 9750
[21:14] <Elmar_PD3EM> on 9650 baud:
[21:14] <daveake> yeah that's what a bad baud rate looks like :)
[21:14] <Elmar_PD3EM> AVA Flight computer V0.002 initiated
[21:14] <Elmar_PD3EM> $GPRMC,211416.00,V,,,,,,,070412,,,N*7C
[21:14] <Elmar_PD3EM> $GPVTG,,,,,,,,,N*30
[21:14] <Elmar_PD3EM> $GPGGA,211416.00,,,,,0,00,99.99,,,,,,*67
[21:14] <Elmar_PD3EM> $GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,99.99,99.99,99.99*30
[21:14] <Elmar_PD3EM> $GPGSV,1,1,03,19,,,18,25,,,19,26,,,21*73
[21:14] <Elmar_PD3EM> $GPGLL,,,,,211416.00,V,N*4B
[21:14] <Elmar_PD3EM> $GPRMC,211417.00,V,,,,,,,070412,,,N*7D
[21:14] <Elmar_PD3EM> $GPVTG,,,,,,,,,N*30
[21:14] <Elmar_PD3EM> $GPGGA,211417.00,,,,,0,00,99.99,,,,,,*66
[21:14] <Elmar_PD3EM> $GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,99.99,99.99,99.99*30
[21:14] <Elmar_PD3EM> $GPGSV,1,1,04,19,,,17,24,,,22,26,,,22,27,,,22*74
[21:14] <Elmar_PD3EM> $GPGLL,,,,,211417.00,V,N*4A
[21:14] <Upu> now
[21:15] <Upu> open uBlox u-center
[21:15] <Upu> point it at that com port
[21:15] <Upu> and party
[21:15] <Upu> interesting so on old SS you need a wacky baud rate even on a Uno board
[21:15] <Upu> and on NSS it doesn't work at all
[21:15] <Upu> I'll have to look into that
[21:16] <Upu> but use the hardware UARTS :)
[21:16] <Elmar_PD3EM> thanks!
[21:16] <Elmar_PD3EM> u-center?
[21:16] <Upu> http://www.u-blox.com/en/evaluation-tools-a-software/u-center/u-center.html
[21:16] <Elmar_PD3EM> gonna look into that
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[21:20] <Upu> it is nice
[21:20] <Upu> I need to work out how to make Arduino 1.0 program via the ICSP then I can test the code
[21:21] <Dan-K2VOL> upu doing that here
[21:21] <Upu> hey Dan I'm using the Olimex Programmer
[21:21] <Upu> and I've done all the stuff I did to make it work under 0023
[21:21] <Upu> but keeps saying :
[21:21] <fsphil-laptop> love those, so simple
[21:21] <Upu> Not in sync
[21:22] <Upu> but it will program the bootloader fine
[21:22] <Upu> avrdude: stk500_getsync(): not in sync: resp=0x00
[21:22] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah I had to resort to using the AVR Studio 5
[21:22] <Dan-K2VOL> same errors here
[21:22] <Dan-K2VOL> but i'm using an Atmel MKII ISP
[21:23] <Dan-K2VOL> we use the Arduino IDE to compile with verbose output on
[21:23] <Dan-K2VOL> then copy the temp build directory location and hex file name from the arduino compiler output into the Avr Studio ISP Hex File program window
[21:24] <Dan-K2VOL> so it's not a solution to the problem, but it's a workaround
[21:24] <Dan-K2VOL> it is not what I'd like
[21:24] <Upu> I'm sure this is fixable
[21:24] <Upu> I'll take dog for a walk first bbs
[21:25] <Dan-K2VOL> let me know if you get it!
[21:25] <Dan-K2VOL> ttyl
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[22:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> Upu: I need to play outside with u-center tomorrow. I only get a latitude fix inside ;-)
[22:00] <Upu> yeah get it near a window
[22:01] <Elmar_PD3EM> it is..... but only a view to the south
[22:02] <Elmar_PD3EM> I'm glad its working on the Arduino now! Thanks for your help
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> btw I noticed something on the arduino site of google code
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> all the versions were uploaded by Dave C. (forgot the surname)
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> but 0023 was uploaded by another guy
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> who is listed in the dev team
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[22:08] <RocketBoy> hey upu
[22:08] <Upu> evening Steve
[22:09] <Upu> fixed your site it seems
[22:09] <RocketBoy> the site should be fixed - could you try it - also added a link to HAB supplies (embarrassed that I'd forgotten till now)
[22:10] <Upu> oh no problems at all yes its working
[22:10] <Upu> and thanks for the link
[22:10] <Upu> was it DNS ?
[22:10] <navrac> ah your site has been dodgy for quite a while
[22:10] <RocketBoy> oh right in what way?
[22:11] <RocketBoy> the DNS was somehow still being served by my last SP
[22:11] <RocketBoy> they must have pulled the plug
[22:11] <RocketBoy> someone complained last week that it wasn't working
[22:11] <navrac> loads of site not founds whenever i tried to go for it
[22:12] <daveake> Seemed a bit random here. Adding the www seemed to help
[22:12] <Upu> DNS...
[22:12] <RocketBoy> but I didn't think to flush the cache
[22:12] <daveake> yep
[22:12] <navrac> yep, smacked of dns errors to me
[22:12] <Upu> anyway working now
[22:12] <Upu> thanks for the link
[22:12] <RocketBoy> should be fixed now :-)
[22:13] <RocketBoy> np
[22:13] <daveake> All works now :-)
[22:13] <daveake> Steve I'd make the habsupplies link open in a new window if I were you :)
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[22:17] <RocketBoy> done!
[22:18] <Upu> Dan-K2VOL http://arduino.cc/forum/index.php/topic,100361.msg752612.html#msg752612
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[22:19] <r2x0t> reading all these problems with GPS on sw serial port, I wonder if using i2c would be better instead of serial
[22:19] <Upu> just use the hardware UART
[22:19] <Upu> works fine
[22:19] <r2x0t> or that...
[22:20] <Upu> going to try that code example but use NewSoftSerial now
[22:20] <r2x0t> but if you for some reason have to use some other two pins and you have gps with i2c, that may be way to go
[22:20] <Laurenceb_> or use stm32
[22:20] <r2x0t> because it's clocked from your program, no by gps
[22:20] Action: Laurenceb_ runs
[22:21] <navrac> what pins are you trying to use with nss?
[22:21] <Upu> 3 7 4
[22:21] <Upu> 3&4 even
[22:22] <navrac> doesnt work with 3&4 - you have to use 4&5
[22:22] <Upu> interesting
[22:22] <navrac> or anything other than 2 and 3
[22:22] <Upu> ok thx let me try that
[22:22] <navrac> i got caught on that one
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[22:24] <Upu> getting java errors now
[22:24] <Upu> ffs
[22:24] <Laurenceb_> java is an error
[22:24] <navrac> totally agree on that
[22:25] <Upu> +1
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[22:29] <Upu> daveake
[22:29] <Upu> $GPGLL,,,,,222907.00,V,N*46
[22:29] <Upu> ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ
[22:29] <Upu> when using Software Serial
[22:30] <Laurenceb_> lol
[22:30] <Upu> its consistent anyway
[22:31] <navrac> how big is the buffer in the header file?
[22:31] <Upu> in #include <NewSoftSerial.h> ?
[22:31] <navrac> yep
[22:32] <Upu> never been near that 1 sec
[22:32] <Upu> 64
[22:33] <navrac> I upped mine - but it looks like you are not even getting 64
[22:33] <Upu> same issue set at 256
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[22:35] <Upu> ah fixed it
[22:36] <Upu> http://pastebin.com/F2XUxz8L
[22:36] <Upu> There you go Elmar_PD3EM
[22:36] <navrac> what was the problem?
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[22:36] <Upu> Added if(GPS.available())
[22:36] <fsphil-laptop> read doesn't block anymore?
[22:36] <fsphil-laptop> d'oh!
[22:37] <Elmar_PD3EM> ok
[22:37] <Upu> that uses NewSoftSerial and the baud rate actually matches and works
[22:38] <Upu> also note as per navrac's advise I used different ports
[22:39] <Elmar_PD3EM> i'm running on pin 2 ands 3 now
[22:39] <Upu> still not perfect mind
[22:39] <Upu> dropping occasional chars by the looks of it
[22:40] <Elmar_PD3EM> strange...
[22:40] <daveake> <Upu> Added if(GPS.available())
[22:40] <daveake> <daveake> ÿ is 255; are you getting a character where there is none? i.e. do you need to test if there is a character first?
[22:40] <daveake> <cough> :)
[22:41] <Upu> :)
[22:41] <Dan-K2VOL> thx for link upu
[22:42] <Upu> nps
[22:42] <Upu> see if I get an answer
[22:42] <Upu> if defintely works under 0023
[22:43] <Dan-K2VOL> anyone do the relative humidity and temperature compensation for the HIH-4030 humidity sensor in code before?
[22:48] <Upu> I'd read that as a no :)
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[22:54] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul4CZrnEFxU
[22:54] <Laurenceb_> wuuuttt
[22:58] <Elmar_PD3EM> although its late... I'm at the starting point of getting it sorted out ;-)
[22:59] <Elmar_PD3EM> no fix at the moment inside but if i parse the string $GPGGA,225827.00,,,,,0,00,99.99,,,,,,*6E I have all the data for HAB positioning ;-)
[23:00] <daveake> All good coding happens after midnight :p
[23:00] <Upu> :)
[23:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> LOL daveake !
[23:00] <Upu> talking of which
[23:00] <Upu> nn
[23:00] <daveake> nn
[23:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> its 1 am...
[23:01] <Elmar_PD3EM> good night
[23:01] <fsphil-laptop> night Elmar!
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> xD daveake
[23:01] <Elmar_PD3EM> cu 2morrow
[23:01] <fsphil-laptop> night daveake n' Upu
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> did I tell you about the paper I saw at one office door at uni?
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[23:01] <fsphil-laptop> daveake, I'll blame you for the code I'm about to write :)
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> there is a split situation, each time you see a closed door with "Code Review"
[23:01] <daveake> Er the nn was to Upu not everyone :)
[23:01] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[23:02] <daveake> In my first job, at GEC, we had a bar on site ....
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> and on the left it says "Good Code." and you see two "WTF" coming out of the door
[23:02] <fsphil-laptop> I bet that worked well
[23:02] <daveake> .... our team had a habit of 2-3 jars after Friday lunch ....
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> on the right "Bad Code." and like six WTF and "WTF is this" and "Dude, WTF"
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:02] <daveake> .... without fail, I spent Monday morning muttering "Who the hell wrote this crap?"
[23:02] <daveake> followed by "Oh, me, on Friday afternoon" :D
[23:03] <fsphil-laptop> I've written some really mad code at 3am
[23:03] <fsphil-laptop> looking at it the next morning wondering why it works
[23:03] <daveake> :D
[23:03] <fsphil-laptop> actually I'm doing that now, something worked first time and I'm scanning it cause I'm convinced it shouldn't
[23:04] <fsphil-laptop> I thought I found a bug there but I think it's actually an fldigi bug
[23:04] <daveake> We used to do code reviews of each others code. Best was one guy announcing (not about my code) "Well, I can see what the code is doing, but I haven't a clue what the comments mean"
[23:04] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> XD did he repeatedly say "WTF?"
[23:05] <fsphil-laptop> /* See you. I love you mate. No seriously */
[23:05] <daveake> lol
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[23:05] <daveake> Dunno if that was a friday-afternoon comment or not
[23:07] <fsphil-laptop> I knew a crowd that would have a LAN party on fridays after work. Used to call in sometimes. Descent was a fav
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> btw what do you think of the most physics based game of our time?
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> Portal I mean
[23:08] <fsphil-laptop> I've not played it actually
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[23:09] <fsphil-laptop> but I have it on authority that the cake is indeed a lie
[23:09] <griffonbot> @PD3EM: Finally getting GPS data on the Arduino in a test setup #HAB #UKHAS http://t.co/a8LwAaBe [http://twitter.com/PD3EM/status/188765503215513600]
[23:10] <Elmar_PD3EM> and now I really go QRT.... cul
[23:10] <fsphil-laptop> night again Elmar:)
[23:11] <Elmar_PD3EM> good night all and goo luck navrac tomorrow with the launch!
[23:11] <fsphil-laptop> yea I'm looking forward to that
[23:11] <daveake> Yeah it's been *days* since the last launch!
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[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop, yeah
[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> Portal 2 features Wheatly
[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> a computer sphere or so
[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> and he has a british accent
[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[23:13] <fsphil-laptop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTBOwNFuZso
[23:14] <SpeedEvil> This is clearly offensive Lunar_Lander. Spheres are more likley to have an american accent.
[23:14] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[23:14] <Lunar_Lander> why?
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[23:14] <SpeedEvil> (Fat joke)
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[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> XD
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