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[00:20] <griffonbot> Received email: Priyesh Patel "[UKHAS] Potential Android HabHub App for Phones & Tablets"
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[01:30] <navrac> hello
[01:30] <NigeyS> hey navrac
[01:32] <navrac> evening
[01:32] <NigeyS> morning :D
[01:32] <NigeyS> trying to find a decent power supply hmph
[01:32] <navrac> ok fair enough
[01:33] <navrac> power supply
[01:33] <navrac> ?
[01:33] <NigeyS> bench supply
[01:33] <NigeyS> for testing swift
[01:33] <navrac> ah
[01:33] <NigeyS> its munching through batteries like no tomorrow doing all this gps stuff :/
[01:33] <navrac> rapid electronics do quite good ones for reasonable money
[01:34] <NigeyS> ahh, i keep forgetting about rapid!
[01:35] <Randomskk> mine was about £250 I think and is pretty nice
[01:35] <Randomskk> though I wish it had a fine voltage adjust knob
[01:35] <Randomskk> still, two channel 0-30V 5A
[01:35] <Randomskk> I really want a digital one
[01:35] <Randomskk> but they are ££££
[01:35] <Randomskk> while I'm at it I'd also like a stereo microscope and an actually decent soldering iron
[01:35] <Randomskk> one day...
[01:36] <NigeyS> hehe know the feeling, loads i want but meh, bank balance says no!
[01:36] <navrac> http://www.rapidonline.com/Electrical-Power/Triple-output-30V-linear-bench-PSUs-81535/?sid=2259d0f3-46cf-4cef-90ba-54b633dc4a5f
[01:38] <Randomskk> that looks fairly nice though I quickly get sad having only current OR voltage measured
[01:38] <NigeyS> oh thats pretty nice, as long as i can select 7v as the output, not sure what ampage i need? guessing 1a?
[01:38] <Randomskk> end up with a multimeter on voltage the whole time that way
[01:38] <Randomskk> ones with both voltage and current display at the same time are nice >_> though you could do that on that if you only needed one output
[01:38] <NigeyS> true
[01:39] <NigeyS> max ampage is gonna be in the vreg specs right ?
[01:39] <Randomskk> well
[01:39] <Randomskk> max ampage is going to be whatever your payload draws
[01:39] <Randomskk> though caution, if you ever plan to power a switch mode power supply you might need a fair bit for inrush current
[01:39] <NigeyS> eek, down to milliamps then
[01:39] <Randomskk> should be fine then
[01:39] <Randomskk> though the 2A version is out of stock
[01:40] <Randomskk> if you can afford £130 for the 3A version it should do nicely
[01:40] <NigeyS> think at max output swifts gonna draw 250ish
[01:40] <Randomskk> it might be worth thinking about the extra £15 for the 5A one
[01:40] <navrac> pity its out of stock - it was dirt cheap
[01:41] <navrac> I've had several of those ones - they have been on 24/7 for a year with no problem
[01:41] <NigeyS> och dam it is to :/ might be worth paying the extra 15quid as Adam suggests for the 5a .. hmm
[01:41] <Randomskk> I've rarely needed that much current
[01:41] <Randomskk> but you never know what you might end up using it for
[01:41] <NigeyS> exactly
[01:41] <NigeyS> and for the sake of 15quid...
[01:42] <Randomskk> if nothing else you can hook it up to a big resistor and use it as a heater in winter
[01:42] <NigeyS> lol !!
[01:42] <Randomskk> 30V 5A x2 is a good 30*5*2=300W or so
[01:42] <Randomskk> (p.s. the PSU will probably not be happy doing 300W for extended periods of time)
[01:42] <NigeyS> thatll keep my feet nice and cosy!
[01:42] <Randomskk> (it turns out mine has a fan inside it that kicks on if you do that, and it's a bit loud and annoying)
[01:42] <NigeyS> haha ive heard horror stories of fans in psus
[01:43] <NigeyS> like what happens when they fail!
[01:43] <Randomskk> :| indeed
[01:43] <navrac> the ones i had running 24/7 have been at 80% capacity with no issues
[01:43] <NigeyS> blimey
[01:44] <Randomskk> nice
[01:44] <navrac> i consider bench psu's to be disposable items nowdays. Custoers keep nicking them off me
[01:45] <NigeyS> customers are thieves!
[01:46] <navrac> last one had a logic analyser and a scope off me that ididnt get back
[01:47] <Randomskk> :|
[01:47] <Randomskk> did you bill them for it?
[01:47] <NigeyS> not exactly cheap kit!
[01:47] <navrac> mind you it balances out - i got a lecroy scope off one for £100
[01:47] <NigeyS> oh Randomskk have you seen this? http://i.imgur.com/NU7IU.jpg
[01:48] <NigeyS> navrac: bargain!
[01:48] <navrac> sadlt i lost it
[01:48] <NigeyS> noooooo
[01:48] <navrac> sadly
[01:48] <NigeyS> :(
[01:48] <Randomskk> hah cool, I haven't seen that in particular, what's it?
[01:48] <navrac> yep
[01:48] <navrac> heartbroken
[01:48] <NigeyS> thats the inside of my bmp085 lol
[01:48] <Randomskk> oh neat
[01:48] <Randomskk> that's cool
[01:48] <Randomskk> did you decap it?
[01:48] <NigeyS> how upu got the cover off it ill never know
[01:48] <NigeyS> upu did yup
[01:48] <Randomskk> sweet
[01:49] <Randomskk> oh yea they have those metal caps huh?
[01:49] <Randomskk> that's pretty sweet
[01:49] <NigeyS> concidering how tiny it is, makes you wonder just how small those wires are!
[01:50] <NigeyS> even closer ... http://i.imgur.com/WcAhQ.jpg
[01:54] <NigeyS> right need sleep tnx for the help with the psu, nn guys :)
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[02:39] <NSS-WB9SBD> Anyone here for the balloon flight?
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[02:54] <tstowe> hi all
[03:00] <tstowe> talkative bunch
[03:00] <Randomskk> it's 3 in the morning UK time...
[03:11] <tstowe> 11 PM here
[03:13] <tstowe> this mostly a European forum?
[03:16] <WB8ELK> Hi Todd
[03:16] <WB8ELK> I hear N2XE KW....assume that's the ground station sending uplink commands
[03:16] <WB8ELK> maybe testing things on the ground
[03:16] <WB8ELK> on 7.1026 CW
[03:17] <WB8ELK> hear anything Joe?
[03:17] <tstowe> Hi Bill
[03:20] <tstowe> How are things in Alabama?
[03:31] <WB8ELK> Hi Todd....working on payloads....5 student flights from UA Huntsville going up next weekend...you're welcome to come join us for the fun
[03:31] <WB8ELK> We're launching one balloon every 30 minutes on the 31st
[03:31] <WB8ELK> Going to fly my Iridium modem board for its first flight test.
[03:32] <WB8ELK> I see that they are testing the ballast drop payload....they send commands to it via CW....that's what I must've been hearing, their ground commands during their tests
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[04:16] <AL0I_Todd> Cool! A flying house (KD2AUC-1)!
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[04:37] <WB8ELK> They've launched....hearing nothing yet on 40m or 30m
[04:38] <WB8ELK> would help if I knew which 20 minute time slot they are using on each transmitter
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[05:52] <WB8ELK> PBH18 is transmitting on 40m at 10, 30 and 50 minutes...then on 30m at 00, 20 and 40 minutes.
[05:54] <heathkid> what frequencies are everyone using for their balloon launches???
[05:54] <Darkside> in the UK its mostly 434.650 or 434.075
[05:55] <Darkside> in countries with less restrictive amateur radio legislation, it could be wherever
[05:56] <Darkside> the 434.650 and 434.075MHz frequencies are mainly because they are the frequencies available with the commonly used radiometrix NTX2 modules
[05:57] <Darkside> WB8ELK: have you done 23cm ATV?
[05:57] <Darkside> and if so, how did you heatsink the payload
[05:57] <Darkside> (same question applies to other payloads with linear amps really)
[06:09] <WB8ELK> I see that PBH18 is now transmitting on 40m at 10,20 and 30....on 30m at 5, 25 and 45 minutes
[06:10] <WB8ELK> Yes....23cm ATV....a nice large heatsink
[06:10] <WB8ELK> and put the fins outside the box
[06:11] <WB8ELK> fins of the heatsink.....exposed to the outside flush with the edge of the styrofoam box
[06:11] <Darkside> got any pictures of it?
[06:11] <Darkside> hrmm
[06:11] <WB8ELK> you'll need a couple watts to do it well on 23cm
[06:12] <WB8ELK> on 434 MHz ATV....you can use 1 watt with good results
[06:12] <Darkside> yeah, we have 1-watt transmitters atm
[06:12] <WB8ELK> I prefer the Little Wheel antenna from Olde Antenna Labs..... www.hamtv.com
[06:12] <Darkside> 434MHZ?!!!
[06:12] <WB8ELK> we can use 434 MHz wideband ATV in the ham radio bands here
[06:12] <Darkside> we'd have to do ours on the 445MHz ATV channel
[06:12] <WB8ELK> that will work
[06:13] <Darkside> mm
[06:13] <Darkside> well, we have the 23cm transmitters
[06:13] <Darkside> only 1 watt though
[06:13] <WB8ELK> much better pathloss on 445 MHz than on 23cm
[06:13] <Darkside> yeah
[06:13] <WB8ELK> 1 watt will require some gain antennas on the ground and a mast-mounted preamp
[06:14] <WB8ELK> Are they FM TV
[06:14] <WB8ELK> but harder to point antennas when higher gain
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[06:16] <Darkside> WB8ELK: yes, FM TV
[06:16] <Darkside> and yeah, the plan was a gridpack with a LNA on it
[06:18] <WB8ELK> LNA would be good to have
[06:18] <Darkside> well we have that
[06:18] <WB8ELK> DownEast microwave makes some nice ones that I use for 23cm
[06:18] <Darkside> we also have loop yagis
[06:18] <WB8ELK> how big is the loop yagi
[06:18] <Darkside> but i think we'd be using the gridpack instead
[06:18] <Darkside> not sure...
[06:18] <WB8ELK> I'd recommend the loop yagi
[06:18] <Darkside> ok
[06:19] <WB8ELK> You'll probably get about 40 miles range on 23 cm.....400 miles on 445 MHz
[06:19] <Darkside> i think it worked out to 35km for colour
[06:19] <WB8ELK> barely enough to reach altitude
[06:19] <WB8ELK> and then there's the FM threshold to worry about
[06:20] <Darkside> mm
[06:20] <WB8ELK> figure about -85 dBm for receive sensitiviy
[06:20] <WB8ELK> and work out the pathloss based on antenna gains from there
[06:20] <WB8ELK> I use a progam called Pathloss
[06:20] <WB8ELK> it's designed for TV
[06:20] <WB8ELK> free
[06:20] <Darkside> i'm just calling our ATV guy
[06:21] <WB8ELK> VK5KG would know....he's one of the early ATV folks there....I've know him for ages now
[06:21] <Darkside> yeah i've got VK5GR about to get on the channel
[06:21] <Darkside> he was doing ATV back in the early days
[06:21] <WB8ELK> John Ingham
[06:21] <WB8ELK> He probably knows John then
[06:21] <Darkside> yeah i've heard that name
[06:22] <WB8ELK> I'd work it out for you but my Pathloss program is on the laptop in my other house about 35 miles away
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[06:22] <Darkside> the ATV scene kind of died in VK5 a few years back i think
[06:22] <Darkside> though vk5gr knows a lot more about that than i do :-)
[06:22] <vk5gr> afternoon darkside
[06:22] <vk5gr> wb8elk i think knows vk5kg?
[06:23] <Darkside> 16:51 < WB8ELK> VK5KG would know....he's one of the early ATV folks there....I've know him for ages now
[06:23] <Darkside> yup
[06:23] <WB8ELK> John VK5KG is in Sefton Park now....not sure where that is
[06:23] <vk5gr> ive known john for about 28 years - he was one of the guys who helped me start on 70cm FSTV when I was 13years old
[06:24] <vk5gr> its about 5km north of the centre of the city
[06:24] <Darkside> vk5gr: what's stopping us from doing ATV on the 445MHZ channel?
[06:25] <vk5gr> atv here has basically died. the 576MHz repeater was put off air by ACMA in about 2002 when digital TV started (they wanted the spectrum), the 1286 AM repeater which used to use the 444 MHz uplink I believe finally went FM at one stage on 1283 but now I believe is off the air
[06:25] <WB8ELK> I've known John for about 20 years now.....he used to link up with our ATV net night here at WB2LLB's house in Huntsville, AL using and early program similar to Skype...Cu See Me I think
[06:25] <vk5gr> the elizabeth repeater which was 1250FM up/2415fm Down is currently down as is it's 10GHz cousin - not sure what the boys are doing up there with it at present.
[06:26] <WB8ELK> I'd love to hear about ATV activity in VK land....I'm co-publisher of Amateur Television Quarterly magazine now
[06:26] <vk5gr> wb2llb is a call I recognise from john's videos he used to share on VK5RTV
[06:26] <WB8ELK> We did an article from VK-land about digital TV a few issues back
[06:26] <Darkside> that'd be the VK3s
[06:27] <vk5gr> I think John used to do standards translation between PAL/NTSC back then for him
[06:27] <WB8ELK> Yep....I'd go over to John WB2LLB's place every Tuesday night for the ATV net and VK5KG would check in via the beginnings of the Internet.
[06:27] <vk5gr> yes the VK3's have a DVB-T repeater now running on 446.5 with DVB-S uplinks on 23cm and 2.4GHz
[06:27] <WB8ELK> Yes....John LLB had a video wall in his house to convert from any standard video to just about another other standard
[06:28] <WB8ELK> I sure do remember videotapes of VK5RTV's activities
[06:28] <vk5gr> Peter cousins VK3BFG is the driving force behind VK3RTV's digital revival
[06:28] <WB8ELK> VK3RTV
[06:28] <vk5gr> John may have even sent you some tapes that may show my early antics - I was VK5ZWI back then
[06:29] <WB8ELK> Yes indeed....I do remember seeing your antics....very fun tapes that KG sent us
[06:29] <vk5gr> the Melbourne boys are about the only ones successfully running a digital ATV repeater in Oz at present I believe
[06:30] <vk5gr> well, I'm still making films - just not broadcasting them on the air - you can see my stuff at www.vimeo.com/vk5gr - and the Project Horus balloon films in particular at www.vimeo.com/channels/projecthorus - I do a lot of film production and editing as a hobby now
[06:30] <WB8ELK> great....I'll check those out.
[06:30] <vk5gr> darekside was telling me that you have done some experiments flying ATV FSTV transmitters on 70cm on balloons?
[06:31] <vk5gr> i think i saw some tape once via John probably relayed from wb2llb of it?
[06:31] <vk5gr> we are looking here at trying 1W on 1280MHz FM - but the link budgets dont quite work out - probably short about 6-8dB at apogee
[06:32] <WB8ELK> Here's a back issue of ATV Quarterly you can download....it also shows the heatsink I used on ATV: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4208641/ATVQ/Spring2010/Winter_2010_ATVQ_Cyber.pdf
[06:32] <WB8ELK> I flew the first ATV balloon....back in 1987.
[06:33] <WB8ELK> it'll be 25 years this coming August.
[06:33] <vk5gr> what band may I ask? 70cm?
[06:33] <WB8ELK> 434 MHz
[06:33] <WB8ELK> with an omni Little Wheel antenna on it
[06:33] <WB8ELK> got over 300 miles distance reception with 1 watt in the balloon
[06:33] <WB8ELK> 23cm will be much less range
[06:33] <vk5gr> For the 23cm attempt we are looking at I was considering using a QFA antenna
[06:34] <WB8ELK> depends on whether the QFA pattern puts enough on the horizon
[06:34] <vk5gr> and thats the problem I reckon I am going to have - we will have ~28-30km direct path and thats about it before we drop below the rx noise floor.
[06:35] <WB8ELK> I'd recommend the Micro-Wheel....it's a halo loop antenna...omni horizontal and nice hemispherical pattern below
[06:35] <vk5gr> at that stage I am not so worried about horizontal - I dont even think we will have enough legs to radiate direct to ground
[06:35] <WB8ELK> Yep....depends on your antenna gain on the ground.
[06:35] <vk5gr> mobile from the tracking cars about the best we can muster is about 18-20dBi
[06:36] <vk5gr> one of the guys in the SE has a 30dBi moonbounce array that if he can track the balloon might have a chance
[06:36] <WB8ELK> I was figuring 40 miles or so max.....that's being optimistic.
[06:36] <WB8ELK> I did about 40 miles on 2.4 GHz with 3-foot dish antennas on the ground to a balloon.....it was running 1 watt.
[06:36] <vk5gr> it sepends on the S/N needed for a good picture on FM - I was working on below about 15dB was going to be pushing it
[06:37] <WB8ELK> yep...that's about right....figure about -85 dBm sensitivity for an FM ATV receiver.
[06:37] <vk5gr> how much power were you running on 434?
[06:38] <vk5gr> i still have my 444 TV transmitter - might be just easier to fly it
[06:38] <WB8ELK> 1 watt to a Little Wheel antenna....got out 300 plus miles...but was AM and snowy....on FM it would be below the threshold
[06:38] <WB8ELK> you'll get more range on 444
[06:38] <vk5gr> although it guzzles power - 100mW is fine - 10W - very powerr hungry - makes weight an issue
[06:39] <WB8ELK> that's what we typically fly here on ATV is on the 70 cm band.....100mW not enough power....1 watt minimum....3 watts is ideal.
[06:39] <vk5gr> Hmm - back my module off to 3W and might have a chance
[06:39] <WB8ELK> I use those 15 volt D-cell lithium military packs.....7.5 Ah
[06:39] <vk5gr> easy enough to drop the drive
[06:39] <WB8ELK> 2 to 3 watts would do nicely
[06:39] <vk5gr> how long do you get out of them?
[06:39] <vk5gr> what rx station gain were you using then for the ATV?
[06:41] <WB8ELK> about 14.5 dBd gain yagi with mast-mounted preamp on the ground.
[06:41] <WB8ELK> 5 D-cells....7.5 Ah got me about 4 to 5 hours...since you'll be pulling about 1.5 amps or so at 3 watts.
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[06:42] <WB8ELK> either that or lots of AA lithium batteries.
[06:42] <Darkside> where do you get those cells WB8ELK ?
[06:42] <WB8ELK> they are about 2.8 Ah
[06:42] <Darkside> yeah, that was the option i was going to suggest
[06:42] <Darkside> a crapload of energizer L91s
[06:42] <WB8ELK> surplus usually....they are too expensive new
[06:42] <vk5gr> that we already have. might have to rethink the ATV payload idea and just run it on 444 - the link budget/antennas
[06:42] <vk5gr> work much better by the sound of things.
[06:42] <WB8ELK> well....10 chains of L91s would do it
[06:42] <Darkside> we already have the antennas for 70cm too
[06:43] <WB8ELK> so 20 L91's
[06:43] <Darkside> good lord
[06:43] <Darkside> thats getting a bit interesting
[06:43] <Darkside> haha
[06:43] <WB8ELK> 10 in series and 2 packs in parallel
[06:43] <Darkside> i'm wondering id lipos would work in this case
[06:43] <Darkside> if you keep them warm
[06:43] <WB8ELK> 10 L91's would get you about 2 hours of so though...that would be enough for a quick flight
[06:44] <WB8ELK> Lipos would be warm at 1 to 2 amp constant current drain
[06:44] <WB8ELK> that could work well.
[06:44] <WB8ELK> you'll stay above 0 deg C for sure
[06:44] <Darkside> because you can certainly get LiPos with that kind of current capacity...
[06:44] <Darkside> just don't put a hole in them!
[06:44] <WB8ELK> yes you can.....that would work
[06:44] <WB8ELK> although they might be one time use if you don't recover them before they drain too far
[06:45] <Darkside> heh true
[06:45] <Darkside> but then again so would the AAs
[06:45] <Darkside> though the AAs would be cheaper than a LiPo...
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[06:45] <WB8ELK> that's my thinking....AAs cheaper....but the Lipo is reusable as long as you get to them in time
[06:46] <WB8ELK> or you could design a low voltage cutout circuit to keep them safe
[06:46] <Darkside> or get a lipo pack with protection circuitry inbuilt
[06:46] <Darkside> many have that now
[06:46] <WB8ELK> that's true....might be the best way to go
[06:47] <vk5gr> just speed reading your article - makes me want to go and dust off my old ATV transmitters :-)
[06:48] <vk5gr> the problem I have is that most of my gear is all on 426 - which the ACMA is about to take away from us (it is going to be commercial land mobile 420-430 by year's end I believe)
[06:48] <vk5gr> (426 was the old RTV uplink channel)
[06:49] <vk5gr> I have one 444 exciter - might have to look at transplanting that onto the mitubushi module PA that still works (my old MHW710-1 PA blew up years ago)
[06:51] <Darkside> vk5gr: what receive gear do we have for 444MHz ATV?
[06:51] <Darkside> and is that AM or FM?
[06:51] <vk5gr> bill, your terrestrical digital tv in the states is using a form of VSB QAM modulation isnt it? Here they are using OFDM - which isnt nice and simple to generate
[06:51] <vk5gr> 70cm is always AM - not enough bandwidth on the band for a 22MHz TV signal
[06:52] <Darkside> oh right
[06:52] <vk5gr> we have receive gear - I ahve a VCR I used to use for tuning 444 directly - and I have down converters from 70cm to VHF ch3 TV as well as dedicated philips tv tuners I rack mounted
[06:53] <vk5gr> i also have GaAs FET preamps for 70cm and Peter and I think Matt have the receiving antennas (22el K1FO long yagis, and I have a 14el yagi I used to transmit on). 70cm ATV gear exists in cupboards a plenty in reality :-)
[06:54] <Darkside> could we use a usb tv tuner and a LNA?
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[06:54] <vk5gr> if it can directly tune 444 then sure - some can - anything that could tune the "cable TV band" typically could tune ATV on 70cm
[06:54] <Darkside> pretty sure the one i have can
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[06:54] <vk5gr> would just depend on how good the USB tuner was at dealing with weak signals.
[06:54] <Darkside> yeah
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[06:55] <Darkside> i want to get a few more of the realtek chipset based tuners with the E4000 tuner
[06:55] <Darkside> same tuner as it in the funcube dongle
[06:56] <Darkside> vk5gr: http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
[06:56] <vk5gr> me - ill stick to my VCR - it's front end was very hot and with the preamp at the antenna point used to watch ATV from 200km away at home when there was only the slightest sniff of a tropo duct around
[06:56] <Darkside> cool
[06:56] <vk5gr> (used to watch the VK5RCN solar/wind powered repeater at Snowtown from my place at times - John 5KG could see it almost all the time but he had the elevation on this end to do so)
[06:56] <Darkside> is that all going to be mobile?
[06:57] <vk5gr> mobile enough with some work - but the beauty of 70cm is - we are back to being able to set up a fixed station on say Mt Beevor and watch signals from 200-300km away without trying too hard
[06:57] <Darkside> cool
[06:57] <vk5gr> i have run it from the back of a car before
[06:57] <Darkside> yeah, a fixed station would be good
[06:58] <Darkside> stream it straight to the web too
[06:58] <vk5gr> whats more people like Tony ZAI would be able to also watch it from his place.
[06:58] <vk5gr> yup - hook it to the batc site
[06:58] <Darkside> batc?
[06:58] <Darkside> i was going to sutgest using 4g at mtbarker for uplink
[06:58] <vk5gr> british amateur tv club
[06:58] <Darkside> oh
[06:59] <vk5gr> they have a worldwide atv sharing hub on the inetrnet - hooked to a few repetaers aorund thwe worlld too from memory
[06:59] <vk5gr> would allow for instance VK3RTV to relay the signal across melbourne from our ground station in adelaide
[07:00] <Darkside> cool
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[07:02] <vk5gr> www.batc.tv
[07:03] <vk5gr> just hooked in and am watching an ATV operator in Southern California
[07:04] <WB8ELK> Yep....I stream video of my balloon launches on the BATC site usually
[07:04] <WB8ELK> I remember that solar-powered ATV repeater system on John's videos
[07:05] <WB8ELK> If you use an omni-horizontal Wheel antenna on the balloon and one on the chase vehicle....then you can see the live video while chasing and still get good signals on the horizon
[07:05] <vk5gr> VK5RCN IU suspect is still sitting on the hilkl - but no one has maintained it for about 10 years - it's not licensed any more - a couple of the key people who looked after it passed away a few years back and I think interest died from there
[07:07] <WB8ELK> I'll be back in a bit
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[07:27] <WB8ELK> I've had good luck with the M2 Inc Halo antenna for mobile ATV with balloons
[07:37] <WB8ELK> 73s all
[07:37] <WB8ELK> be back later
[07:49] <Upu> morning all
[07:51] <Upu> whats KD2AUC-1 going to use when it gets out of APRS range ?
[07:52] <Upu> that could currently end up over northern france / southern england
[07:58] <natrium42> hey Upu
[07:58] <Upu> morning natrium42
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[08:00] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Lens in Payload hole or just a hole?"
[08:12] <navrac> morning upu
[08:13] <Upu> morning
[08:13] <navrac> morning natriu24
[08:13] <navrac> m
[08:13] <Upu> These pico payloads don't won't on one cell with a DCDC do they ?
[08:14] <navrac> took y laptop apart yesterday - fixed the fan,but still waiting for a replacemet keyboard
[08:14] <navrac> only just start the gps - a bit hit and miss
[08:15] <Upu> well I couldn't even get it to start the GPS
[08:15] <navrac> so you can do it - but if the battery isnt new the gps wont start - also the efficiency drops from 80% to about 60%
[08:15] <Upu> ah that'l be it
[08:15] <Upu> I've redesigned to use 2 cells anyway
[08:15] <navrac> my code didnt start the tx till id got lock - ncp1402
[08:15] <Upu> yeah same here
[08:16] <navrac> its much better with 2
[08:16] <daveake> morning all
[08:16] <Upu> 2.5V was the minimum input really
[08:16] <Upu> hey daveake
[08:16] <navrac> morning mr 3xAAA
[08:16] <Upu> hows Buzz looking ?
[08:16] <daveake> What a nice morning :)
[08:16] <navrac> certainly is
[08:16] <Upu> you on a different planet to me ?
[08:16] <daveake> Fine, just need to finish cutting a foam home fo rhim
[08:17] <daveake> Different country probably ;)
[08:17] <daveake> Just putting the mast up too
[08:17] <Upu> let me show you sunny yorkshire
[08:17] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/vvmk7.jpg
[08:17] <navrac> masts up - I'm keen
[08:17] <daveake> It's grim oop north
[08:18] <Upu> it is indeed
[08:18] <navrac> certainly is <cues hovis music>
[08:18] <Upu> lol
[08:18] <daveake> "That" Hovis commercial was filmed dahn south, in Shaftesbury
[08:19] <number10> its grim in the east
[08:19] <navrac> well you couldnt expect the film crew to travel that far north
[08:19] <daveake> lol
[08:19] <Upu> lol
[08:19] <navrac> my bit of the east is nice
[08:19] <daveake> Nah, they needed electrickery for a start
[08:20] <navrac> last socket at watford no doubt
[08:20] <number10> thats what Upu uses on his setup that maked it good then
[08:20] <Upu> at least our beer is good !
[08:20] <Upu> southern pansies
[08:21] <daveake> You do have a point re beer
[08:21] <Upu> sec need to consult google for some more regional stereotypes
[08:21] <navrac> true
[08:21] <navrac> paper bag in middle t' road
[08:21] <Upu> lol
[08:21] <daveake> luxury
[08:22] <number10> I just got a bent bit of wire - couldnt afford a rotator
[08:22] <daveake> When I were a lad we used to decode RTTY using a piece of coal jammed between our teeth
[08:22] <navrac> we was too poor for coal
[08:24] <navrac> so a nice artistic bit of foam carving dave - or a box?
[08:24] <daveake> 3 pieces of 25mm stuck together :)
[08:24] <daveake> In the shape of a box :)
[08:25] <daveake> But I did carve the edges off
[08:25] <navrac> oh good
[08:26] <daveake> navrac Give me some figuires please for your payload weight and lift
[08:26] <navrac> i bought a foam cone - doubt i'll use it - I'm into half cylinders now
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[08:26] <daveake> Yeah, I'd have used an egg again but I only bought one
[08:26] <ajwillink> Hi All, Is Dave about?
[08:26] <daveake> nope
[08:26] <ajwillink> launching?
[08:26] <daveake> He is
[08:27] <ajwillink> heheh, good stuff.
[08:27] <ajwillink> I learnt the spurs song
[08:27] <daveake> oh dear
[08:27] <ajwillink> will be testing my memory today
[08:27] <navrac> payload was about 35g after i filled it with silicon rubber - and about 50-60% fill indoors it looked about 0,5m/s lift but outside it went up at 1.8m/s
[08:27] <daveake> cheers
[08:27] <ajwillink> am leaving now for the match, but wanted to wish you the best of luck, and look forward to hearing more
[08:28] <daveake> Mine won't be that light so I'll use 2 balloons
[08:28] <navrac> ust sing FU arsenal over and over again
[08:28] <daveake> cheers ajwuillink
[08:28] <ajwillink> heheheheh,
[08:28] <daveake> or some name like that
[08:28] <ajwillink> ok, will try that
[08:28] <ajwillink> beautiful day, wish I was launching today
[08:28] <daveake> navrac did you measure the lift or just go by the ascent rate
[08:28] <ajwillink> soon :)
[08:28] <navrac> any way of seperating the two balloons (or 3) so the strings dont damage each balloon
[08:29] <navrac> i did it by measuring rate
[08:29] <daveake> I was going to have them next to each other
[08:29] <navrac> apart from a heavy long arm i dont think theres another way really
[08:29] <daveake> short string tying them together then hang the payload a short distance below
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[08:30] <daveake> No room for the buzz balloon, I decided :(
[08:31] <navrac> :-(
[08:31] <daveake> Don't think he'd provide enough lift
[08:31] <daveake> I'll put a Buzz sticker on the payload instead
[08:31] <daveake> Anyweay I'll see when they're inflated
[08:32] <navrac> yep a good bit of suckit and see called for
[08:32] <daveake> Those D50s are amazingly light
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[08:33] <Colin-G8TMV> Morning
[08:33] <navrac> arent they - i thought the box was empty when i got it - but they are filledwith helium so its lucky they dont float away :-)
[08:33] <navrac> morning
[08:33] <daveake> lol
[08:33] <daveake> The helium doesn't make the big cylinders any lighter :D
[08:33] <navrac> hence my thinner than a tin can comment yesterday
[08:34] <daveake> yep. Saw that first but even so it still surprised me when I picked it up
[08:34] <navrac> it doesn't? oh dear all those years of physics wasted ;-)
[08:34] <daveake> :)
[08:35] <navrac> i hate sunny days - wife logic sunny=gardening
[08:36] <navrac> or even worse - tidying the garage
[08:36] <Colin-G8TMV> it's foggy here in Cambridge
[08:36] <navrac> north of the watford gap, thats why
[08:37] <navrac> I'm 50 miles east of you nr the coast - very sunny here
[08:37] <Colin-G8TMV> Actually, Cambridge isn't north of Watford Gap
[08:37] <Colin-G8TMV> which is nowhere near Watford
[08:37] <navrac> blimey - the northern weather must be leaking down
[08:38] <Colin-G8TMV> Is the Buzz launch still on for this morning?
[08:38] <daveake> yep
[08:38] <Colin-G8TMV> eta?
[08:38] <daveake> Should be ok for 10am
[08:39] <Colin-G8TMV> Hmmm... right, I'll wait a bit before pumping the mast up then (the compressor is a bit noisy)
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[08:54] <fsphil> nice, sunshine!
[08:54] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave "Re: [UKHAS] Launch Announcement: University of Southampton Project
[09:01] <daveake> Broke Sarantel :(
[09:02] <daveake> Fixed Sarantel :)
[09:02] <daveake> Hate Sarantel !
[09:02] <navrac> phew
[09:02] <navrac> had me worried there
[09:02] <daveake> :)
[09:02] <daveake> Me too!
[09:02] <daveake> Fortunately I've broken one before :p
[09:03] <navrac> I'm desperate to stretch this funcubes legs
[09:03] <daveake> I was connecting up the batteries, trying not to poke myself in the eye with the antenna, and must have pushed on it a bit
[09:03] <navrac> breathed near it
[09:03] <daveake> true
[09:03] <fsphil> don't even look at it
[09:03] <daveake> Can someone clear the tracker plz?
[09:03] <fsphil> keep it in another room in a box
[09:04] <daveake> :)
[09:04] <navrac> i thought you were driving round with it trying to hide your house from the satellite view
[09:04] <Colin-G8TMV> Sarantel??
[09:04] <daveake> GPS antenna
[09:04] <fsphil> cleared
[09:04] <daveake> cheers
[09:04] <Colin-G8TMV> Ah, nods
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[09:05] <jcoxon> morning all
[09:05] <fsphil> good luck today daveake :) I'll be watching from work
[09:05] <navrac> morning ames
[09:05] <fsphil> mornin' mr.jc!
[09:05] <daveake> work? tsk
[09:05] <fsphil> yea *sighs*
[09:05] <daveake> afk - Need to melt some foam
[09:06] <jcoxon> shall i put PBH onto spacenear.us?
[09:06] <Upu> yes pls I was going to ask if you could do that
[09:06] <Upu> though unsure whats going to happen when it floats out of APRS range
[09:07] <Upu> do we know anything about it ?
[09:07] <jcoxon> its a big ZP
[09:07] <navrac> interesting
[09:07] <Upu> yeah but I mean does it have satellite etc ?
[09:07] <Upu> I mean its coming straight for us
[09:07] <Upu> well northern france
[09:08] <griffonbot> Received email: Andrew Cowan "Re: [UKHAS] Launch Announcement: University of Southampton Project
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[09:10] <navrac> i keep wondering about these http://www.thedreamengine.co.uk/index.html
[09:10] <Upu> satellite modem sorry
[09:10] <navrac> 85kg lift - shame about the 140m3 fill
[09:10] <Upu> lol
[09:11] <navrac> with a 30g payload and minimal fill
[09:12] <jcoxon> Upu, i'll forward the email to the list
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[09:12] <Upu> oh ok thanks was it on the GPSL one ?
[09:13] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "[UKHAS] Fwd: [Balloon_Sked] Trans-Atlantic Amateur Radio High
[09:14] <Upu> oh right it has HF beacons on too
[09:14] <Upu> excellent
[09:15] <Upu> That'll upset the QRZ trolls
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[09:16] <jcoxon> pbh is on the map
[09:16] <Upu> cheers
[09:16] <daveake> I always forget to insert the string to hang the payload from :p
[09:17] <WillDuckworth> how's it looking?
[09:17] <navrac> I tied and taped mine - trying to avoid anything that causes a rip
[09:18] <daveake> Payload sealed up and still running
[09:18] <Upu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b2SV3ASUxY
[09:18] <navrac> didnt realise there was somewhere to put the string through
[09:20] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "[UKHAS] Re: [Balloon_Sked] Trans-Atlantic Amateur Radio High Altitude
[09:21] Action: navrac looks for a cardboard box
[09:22] <jcoxon> just rebuilding the pbh flight
[09:22] <jcoxon> recommend a refresh
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[09:36] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave "Re: [UKHAS] Launch Announcement: University of Southampton Project
[09:38] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] Launch Announcement: University of Southampton Project
[09:38] <andrew_apex> haha - the Rate field of PBH is rather broken - Rate: 23800.0 m/s = Mach 70 vertically :P
[09:39] <jcoxon> its cause i loaded it from the kml
[09:39] <jcoxon> the time is wrong :-D
[09:40] <jcoxon> its a pretty dirty hack
[09:40] <andrew_apex> the lat/lon works great :)
[09:41] <jcoxon> i'm lifting it from the kml stream, repackaging it and posting to spacenear.us
[09:46] <jcoxon> andrew_apex, that should fix it
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[09:50] <G8NSV_Bob> Hi all
[09:51] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave "Re: [UKHAS] Launch Announcement: University of Southampton Project
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[09:53] <futurity> Hi, is Buzz launch at 10am or 11am UK time does anyone know? Want to help track and not miss the launch
[09:55] <number10> 10
[09:57] <G8NSV_Bob> Does fldigi take west as -
[09:57] <NigelMoby> yup
[09:58] <G8NSV_Bob> Weird not showing on tracker at work qt h
[09:58] <jcoxon> G8NSV_Bob, it'll take about 10mins
[09:59] <jcoxon> long story but there is a delay
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[09:59] <NigelMoby> have u recently changed anything? think trackers are updated every 15mins or so
[09:59] <G8NSV_Bob> Might be ok then!
[09:59] <G8NSV_Bob> Not been online that long
[10:00] <G8NSV_Bob> All ready connected up and minimal qrm
[10:01] <jcoxon> :-)
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[10:03] <G8NSV_Bob> Hi Macrae
[10:03] <G8NSV_Bob> Stupid spell checker hi navrac
[10:04] <Colin-G8TMV> is 434.200 the Buzz dial freq or is dial freq 434.2 - tone freq?
[10:05] <jcoxon> it should be dial freq
[10:05] <jcoxon> but might drift a bit
[10:05] <G8NSV_Bob> Still not on tracker :(
[10:05] <Colin-G8TMV> jcoxon: ta
[10:05] <jonsowman> the tone is like 1kHz so if 434.200 is carrier than dial will be like 433.199 or 433.201
[10:06] Action: Colin-G8TMV nods
[10:06] <jcoxon> pbh has nicely settled into float
[10:06] <jcoxon> (as you'd expect for a ZP)
[10:07] <fsphil> what altitude?
[10:08] <jcoxon> 32244m
[10:08] <jcoxon> G8NSV_Bob, i can see you on the map
[10:09] <jcoxon> bournemouth area
[10:09] <jcoxon> both G8NSV and G8NSV/A
[10:09] <navrac> hi g8nsv_bob - you trying the funcube today as well
[10:10] <G8NSV_Bob> Indeed had it on test lot at work brill
[10:10] <G8NSV_Bob> Only/a is active
[10:10] <G8NSV_Bob> YMCA
[10:11] <G8NSV_Bob> Tnx stupid auto correct!
[10:11] <jonsowman> i should have said 434.199 or 434.201 btw
[10:11] <Colin-G8TMV> yeah - understood
[10:11] <navrac> yep its doing great here- no local interference as im in a valley asnd far from anywhere but i can use +30db on the lna and +12 on the mixer and really pull in weak stations
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[10:19] <fsphil> I've my funcube dongle in at work and it seems to be struggling even here, which is odd as the office is in the lowest part of the town
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[10:21] <navrac> im putting a small saw filter on it for chase car work
[10:21] <navrac> but i dont need it here
[10:21] <jcoxon> my mac throws off so much qrm that my funcube is useless with it
[10:22] <navrac> im using a 5m active extension to it and then 10m of lmr400 to the aerial
[10:22] <daveake> Right, after sarccy comments from Mrs Dave about trying to put it in the wrong hole, balloons now inflated and balanced
[10:22] <navrac> yeah tricky isnt it - sorry i missed your message
[10:22] <Colin-G8TMV> jcoxon: is it the mac or the mains psu?
[10:23] <navrac> someone helpfully told me
[10:23] <jcoxon> on batteries
[10:23] <jcoxon> its okay
[10:23] <daveake> I've inflated a smaller balloon before but the fact that the valve bit was basically stuck closed confused me
[10:23] <jcoxon> one i'll set it up with somethign that isn't my mac laptop
[10:23] <daveake> Some advice from jcoxon and with the assistance of a small stawr and it's done
[10:24] <schofieldau> do I really need a resistor to power an LED from a 3.3v arduino?
[10:24] <NigelMoby> heh the qualatex valves are a right pain.
[10:24] <daveake> Am going to launch from the field near here - almost no wind so no need to drive to a hill*
[10:24] <Colin-G8TMV> jcoxon: lots of laptop psus are really bad, get a ferrite ring and wind several turns of the DC lead through it as close to the psu as possible
[10:24] <jcoxon> schofieldau, depends on the led
[10:24] <daveake> *famous last words before a tree interface incident
[10:25] <jcoxon> Colin-G8TMV, will do
[10:25] <Colin-G8TMV> schofieldau: yes - it acts as a current limiter - try 220 ohms
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[10:25] <Colin-G8TMV> jcoxon: that fixed it for my thinkpad
[10:26] <Laurenceb> wtf
[10:26] <fsphil> many LEDs where sacrificed to teach me about current limiting :)
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[10:26] <Laurenceb> wrong time for pbh?
[10:26] <schofieldau> thanks jcoxon and Colin-G8TMV :)
[10:27] <jcoxon> Laurenceb, i'm grabbign the stream so its server time for me
[10:27] <Laurenceb> ah
[10:27] <jcoxon> its off their kml data
[10:27] <jcoxon> dirty hack
[10:27] <Laurenceb> when did it launch?
[10:27] <fsphil> the altitude graph looks like it hit a wall. guess they vented some gas
[10:27] <Laurenceb> its zero pressure?
[10:28] <Laurenceb> yeah looks interesting
[10:28] <jcoxon> yeah
[10:28] <jcoxon> oh on spacenear the ascent is accelerated
[10:28] <jcoxon> as i had to catch up
[10:28] <fsphil> aaah
[10:28] <fsphil> gotcha
[10:28] <jcoxon> wasn't going to stay up and do it
[10:28] <Laurenceb> well its cruising at night
[10:28] <Laurenceb> so should fly ok all tomorrow
[10:28] <Laurenceb> or today usa time :P
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[10:30] <daveake> OK launch in 10 mins
[10:31] <Colin-G8TMV> yay! HAB time rulz
[10:31] <fsphil> ish minutes?
[10:33] <futurity> Ready to track here from Cambridge. Is there a predicted flight path?
[10:34] <Colin-G8TMV> me too from Sawston
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[10:35] <navrac> set up and listening here - but probably needs to get ot 3-4K+ to be in range for me
[10:35] <futurity> Technically Melbourn, not Cambridge. Small world
[10:35] <Colin-G8TMV> indeed
[10:37] <Colin-G8TMV> futurity: you licensed?
[10:37] <navrac> a rough guess http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=7f1be23ea6a0f922064b632d33e7b0b006930365
[10:37] <futurity> m6fty
[10:38] <futurity> i do occasionally use PY
[10:38] <navrac> interestingly the wind seems to be directly opposite to predictions on thursday
[10:38] <Colin-G8TMV> futurity: do you ever make it to any of the local club meetings?
[10:38] <futurity> I've only been to the pie and pint once or twice
[10:38] <futurity> not for ages though
[10:39] <futurity> I used to work with Mark Turner, if you know him?
[10:39] <Colin-G8TMV> Name rings a bell
[10:39] <Colin-G8TMV> and it's "pYe and pint"
[10:39] <futurity> Burwell based (well was 10+ years ago)
[10:40] <number10> do many people go to pie an pint night?
[10:40] <futurity> When I went there was about 20+ people there
[10:40] <Colin-G8TMV> I grew up in Cambridge but only moved back about 4 years ago
[10:40] <navrac> looks like buzz is off - nice lift
[10:40] <Colin-G8TMV> number10: yeah, between 20 and 30 most months
[10:40] <futurity> the time(s) i went people were bringing along their radio gear and setting it up ar the pub
[10:41] <Colin-G8TMV> right - I need to move to the radio - be back in 1 min
[10:41] <number10> quite a few then. Martin asked if I was going to come along - but allthough I work in cambs is far from where i live
[10:41] <jcoxon> navrac, http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/18703_trj001.gif
[10:41] <navrac> coxon - that looks better
[10:42] <jcoxon> also its not off yet
[10:42] <jcoxon> or its ina tree
[10:42] <navrac> yeah it suddeny went up with two +0.7ms readings - then came dowen
[10:42] <jcoxon> eek sat image says trees
[10:43] <jcoxon> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=de0c52e29860885c4a093d4e96b60004979b7dd6
[10:43] <Colin-G8TMV> a new HAB record? shortest flight
[10:44] <jcoxon> my recent pico did the same
[10:44] <jcoxon> took an hour to get down
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[10:51] <LazyLeopard> Ummm... A short flight into trees, then...
[10:51] <daveake> Well that could have gone better
[10:52] <navrac> stuck?
[10:52] <daveake> Yep
[10:52] <number10> famous last words
[10:52] <G8NSV_Bob> Oh dear
[10:52] <daveake> It was doing fine, then it seemed to lose height and headed straight for some trees
[10:52] <G8NSV_Bob> Recoverable?
[10:52] <daveake> Then it managed to shoot up and just clipped the top of the tallest tree
[10:53] <fsphil> eek
[10:53] <daveake> Since then it's fallen down a way
[10:53] <daveake> What did I say about trees? :p
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[10:53] <daveake> Now, do I fancy sending up another one ....?
[10:54] <daveake> "up" this time :D
[10:54] <daveake> or give up when I'm beat?
[10:54] <G8NSV_Bob> Go for it!
[10:54] <number10> so you havent asked MRs daveake to climb the tree
[10:55] <griffonbot> Received email: Graham Shirville "Re: [UKHAS] Re: [Balloon_Sked] Trans-Atlantic Amateur Radio High
[10:55] <daveake> Funnily enough, no ....
[10:55] <Colin-G8TMV> time to nip out tot thehire place for a chainsaw
[10:55] <LazyLeopard> So, how high up this tree is it stuck, then? High enough for you to receive it, clearly. Presumably too high to reach easilt. :/
[10:56] <daveake> Yeah too high. Justamo ...
[10:56] <LazyLeopard> ho hum
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[10:58] <G8NSV_Bob> Is it falling out GPS is.going down
[10:59] <G8NSV_Bob> Nahh up again!
[10:59] <daveake> No don't think so. UBlox are a bit random like that
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[11:00] <G8NSV_Bob> Just random
[11:00] <F5MVO> good morning
[11:00] <daveake> is it? :p
[11:01] <daveake> I should have stuck with the original plan - take it to a hill
[11:01] <G8NSV_Bob> One without trees
[11:01] <daveake> F5MVO I don't think your services will be required today :(
[11:01] <cuddykid> lol
[11:01] <daveake> yep
[11:01] <cuddykid> :(
[11:01] <daveake> Ah well, now I've broken my tree duck
[11:01] <daveake> http://imgur.com/a/AJgNF
[11:01] <cuddykid> any photos?
[11:02] <daveake> ^^
[11:02] <F5MVO> daveake, hello, yes a look at the new prediction
[11:02] <cuddykid> eek
[11:02] <cuddykid> that almost got away by the looks of it
[11:02] <daveake> yep
[11:02] <G8NSV_Bob> Ebay a big tree
[11:03] <number10> it quite high
[11:03] <number10> shame
[11:03] <G8NSV_Bob> What a big tree curse the autocorrect again
[11:03] <daveake> The wind didn't even seem to be going tquite that direction
[11:03] <G8NSV_Bob> Looks proper stuck
[11:06] <G8NSV_Bob> If the balloon bursts it might fall down. Do you live close by
[11:06] <daveake> Yes very
[11:06] <daveake> So I have now littered my village :(
[11:07] <G8NSV_Bob> Good chance of getting it back then
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[11:08] <r2x0t> shoot it down then...
[11:08] <daveake> Not really worried about that - this tracker got salt-water damaged in my previous flight, so I'm happy to lose it
[11:08] <LazyLeopard> Looks like a lot of branches for things to get caught in on the way down. Could be there for years...
[11:08] <daveake> yep :(
[11:08] <jonsowman> cherry picker?
[11:08] <cuddykid> get the chainsaw out!
[11:08] <G8NSV_Bob> Could get someone to burst it with a pellet gun?
[11:08] <cuddykid> or RC helicopter would do nicely
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[11:08] <LazyLeopard> ...you just hoped you'd lose it in a more interesting and distant fashion...
[11:08] <cuddykid> get onto the local hobbiests
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[11:08] Action: costyn waves
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[11:09] <daveake> Neighbour has a big air gun and nearly got into the England squad ....
[11:09] <priyesh> start a competition
[11:09] <priyesh> first one to get it down without hurting the tree...
[11:10] <G8NSV_Bob> Just the man for the job then
[11:10] <daveake> I have RC helis but with my skills I would just add to the tree furniture
[11:10] <cuddykid> daveake: do you have another pico payload at all?
[11:10] <r2x0t> lol
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[11:10] <daveake> cuddykid yes
[11:10] <cuddykid> oooo! launch?
[11:10] <cuddykid> shame not to have a launch on such a good day!
[11:10] <daveake> Well I'm supposed to be flying that next weekend....
[11:10] <cuddykid> ahh right
[11:10] <cuddykid> hmm
[11:10] <F1LPT> F5MVO Bonjour
[11:11] <daveake> But I am thinking about it
[11:11] <daveake> Upu about?
[11:11] <G8NSV_Bob> Get that one down by then
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[11:11] <cuddykid> yeah, this week looks good weather so the payload should be fine in the tree for a while
[11:11] <cuddykid> brb - need to restart
[11:11] <daveake> I need bad weather
[11:11] <daveake> Tree-falling-down bad weather
[11:11] <cuddykid> not rain though :P
[11:11] <cuddykid> lol
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[11:12] <costyn> daveake: I missed it, how high up is it?
[11:12] <daveake> http://imgur.com/a/AJgNF
[11:12] <G8NSV_Bob> Cats trained to fetch that's what we need
[11:12] <daveake> lol
[11:13] <costyn> owwwww
[11:13] <costyn> nasty
[11:13] <daveake> so close to missing those
[11:13] <costyn> slingshot? spud gun?
[11:13] <daveake> If I'd walked 10 metres further away it'd have missed
[11:14] <G8NSV_Bob> The law of did
[11:14] <jcoxon> daveake, picos are hard to launch
[11:14] <daveake> You don't say? :D
[11:14] <G8NSV_Bob> Sod
[11:14] <jcoxon> i've done it too
[11:14] <jcoxon> not easy to get down
[11:14] <r2x0t> or fishing rod and try to hook it
[11:14] <daveake> Yeah, I remember
[11:15] <jonsowman> jcoxon: your solution was probably the best
[11:15] <daveake> Way too tall. I have 10m fibreglass poll but that won't get near it
[11:15] <WillDuckworth> thats a shocker daveake
[11:15] <jcoxon> which time jonsowman :-)
[11:15] <jonsowman> jcoxon: the MOD range
[11:15] <G8NSV_Bob> Would snag more branches.
[11:15] <jonsowman> daveake: tree surgeons
[11:15] <jonsowman> we had one get a payload out of a tree
[11:15] <jonsowman> £50
[11:15] <costyn> oh that's not too bad
[11:15] <r2x0t> 2 or more fishing rods + ducttape heh
[11:16] <costyn> thought they'd be more expensive
[11:16] <jonsowman> mind you that payload was worth about £300
[11:16] <G8NSV_Bob> Burst it ABC it might drop within reach of a pole
[11:16] <daveake> This payload really is worth nothing
[11:17] <G8NSV_Bob> Good practice for one that is tho
[11:17] <daveake> ping upu UpuWork
[11:18] <G8NSV_Bob> Do you think you will launch another?
[11:19] <NigelMoby> if u do, maybe move location away from trees? :)
[11:19] <daveake> Well if Upu has a spare uBlox with the chip antenna, then I can make one in time for next week, which means I could use my Buzz egg payload today
[11:19] <daveake> Er, yeah, thanks for that advice :D
[11:20] <daveake> I was going to launch from the Ridgeway, almost treeless, but thought it would be ok from here ...
[11:20] <craag> Cool, /away
[11:20] <craag> oops, sorry.
[11:21] <NigelMoby> heh picks are totally unpredictable and hard to launch, need as much open space as u can get.
[11:21] <NigelMoby> picos*
[11:22] <daveake> OK, do I sit here depressed, or do I go and try and get it right with another launch ....?
[11:23] <G8NSV_Bob> Ridgeway for next one then
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[11:23] <daveake> Yeah, I decided that bit when I saw the tree coming :D
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[11:24] <Upu> hi Dave
[11:24] <daveake> hi Upu :)
[11:24] <Upu> sup ?
[11:24] <NigelMoby> personally, I wouldn't rush into another launch, but that's me..
[11:24] <daveake> Well Buzz isn't ....
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[11:24] <Upu> oh dear
[11:24] <Colin-G8TMV> daveake: rename it "cat" then call the firebrigade and tell them your cat is stuck in a tree
[11:24] <Upu> lol
[11:24] <daveake> lol
[11:25] <NigelMoby> lol Colin.
[11:25] <Upu> Yeah I have a spare chip antenna just put an order in on the shop and I'll post on Monday
[11:25] <Upu> damn thats a bummer
[11:25] <daveake> on board with a ublox?
[11:25] <daveake> Upu http://imgur.com/a/AJgNF
[11:26] <Upu> yeah the pico breakout
[11:26] <Upu> yeah looking at that pic now
[11:26] <Colin-G8TMV> daveake: seriously, it might be worth talking to them (not on 999) and asking them if they'd like to retrieve it as an exercise for a donation to their firemans fund or whatever
[11:26] <Upu> sorry been out trying to get a key but for the wifes car
[11:26] Action: Laurenceb read that as firearms
[11:27] <Upu> but=cut
[11:27] <daveake> There's a close-up pic too
[11:27] <Upu> could you have picked a bigger tree ?
[11:28] <daveake> Probably not :D
[11:28] <Upu> I have a few of the pico boards premade so if you need some I can post tomorrow
[11:28] <Upu> or bring down with me if launch is still on next Sat
[11:29] <Laurenceb> bow and arrow?
[11:29] <daveake> Well the reason I asked was that I was thinking about launching the pink Buzz egg today (but away from trees) and make another for next weekend
[11:29] <Laurenceb> with line behind
[11:29] <Upu> sure but maybe a little further up wind of the trees ? :)
[11:30] <daveake> Well, from a different place altogether!
[11:30] <futurity> daveake: do you know roughly what time you may launch? Just want to be around to track
[11:30] <daveake> No still thinking
[11:31] <daveake> But the payload just needs gluing closed, then fill balloons, then drive to the spot
[11:31] <futurity> no probs
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[11:31] <daveake> So not a lot of time
[11:31] <futurity> i'll check back here regularly
[11:32] <daveake> Here's where I was going to launch from http://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=51.553594,-1.309862&spn=0.02527,0.061755&hnear=2+Saxons+Acre,+Brightwalton,+Newbury+RG20+7BD,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=51.553256,-1.310123&panoid=U1DGHRC1pesMVyQSzkVRYw&cbp=12,296.71,,0,-6.07
[11:33] <daveake> Hitting a tree from there isn't impossible but would take a little bit of skill
[11:33] <Upu> yeah
[11:33] <Upu> Though if you turn round : http://g.co/maps/rj943
[11:33] <number10> dont send it down bury road
[11:34] <number10> lane
[11:34] <daveake> That is down. Quite steep
[11:34] <number10> good place for a launch
[11:34] <daveake> Funny you should say that .... :p
[11:35] <daveake> Could someone clear my ebrassment from the tracker please?
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[11:35] <daveake> +m + some other letters
[11:35] <Upu> done
[11:36] <daveake> cheers
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[11:38] <cuddykid> back - wow, I need to get a new computer, this one is super slow and super annoying
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[11:39] <cuddykid> took all that time to get a successful restart and get everything loaded back up!
[11:39] <cuddykid> any new plans daveake?
[11:40] <Laurenceb> bow and arrow
[11:40] <cuddykid> about to do a power test -> pic.twitter.com/alihaE89
[11:40] <cuddykid> the resistors were quite hard to solder initially, but I think I've got the hang now :D
[11:41] <costyn> Laurenceb: I second that. :) need someone with some skill though
[11:41] <cuddykid> accidentally soldered a wrong value one down and when I was desoldering ripped up a wire - I think it's ok though now :P
[11:43] <cuddykid> hmm - one problem - my ICSP programmer supplies 5V (from usb), yet my board runs on 3v3?
[11:44] <cuddykid> will 5V miso/mosi/sck be tolerated?
[11:46] <fsphil> can you configure your programmer not to provide power
[11:46] <fsphil> most should be able to do that
[11:48] <NickB1> hello
[11:49] <NickB1> I want to implement both NTX2 and RFM22B on my new board
[11:49] <NickB1> is it best that i give them seperate SMAs ?
[11:49] <Darkside> uhh
[11:49] <Darkside> NickB1: why
[11:49] <Darkside> explain why you have 2 radios
[11:49] <NickB1> not at the same time
[11:50] <NickB1> but so I can use both
[11:50] <Darkside> oh ok
[11:50] <Darkside> all good in that case :-)
[11:50] <Upu> RFM22B could actually sit under the NTX2
[11:50] <NickB1> but I think I'm going to make a stub when I use the same SMA for both
[11:50] <Darkside> Upu: but you can't use both at the same time
[11:51] <Darkside> just won't work
[11:51] <navrac> yep impedance and damage to the rfm22b as it has no real protection
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[11:52] <NigelMoby> eek delays for the Rpi .. has to get CE certified.
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[11:52] <UpuHome> odd
[11:52] <navrac> since the rfm22b is quite a sensitive receiver, 10mA up its backside would cause the rx to fail and if a part fails you dot know whether it will take out the whole chip
[11:52] <UpuHome> just disconnected
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[11:53] <NickB1> Ok
[11:53] <NickB1> I'm not going to implement them both
[11:53] <navrac> however if yopu were to control the tx/rx ant lines you might get away with it if you switch it over to tx and on the rfm22
[11:54] <navrac> although you would loose 3db combinimg the signals which wouldnt be very power efficient
[11:54] <navrac> no problem then :-)
[11:54] <Colin-G8TMV> navrac: not to mention the impedance mis-match unless you do something cunning
[11:54] <NickB1> its just that I have a choice in transmitter
[11:55] <NickB1> but I was thinking to connect the footprints to the same SMA
[11:55] <navrac> I like the rfm - but thats because im a self confessed payload annorexic
[11:55] <NickB1> but will probably make a stub that way
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[11:55] <Colin-G8TMV> NickB1: if you have 2 tracks to the sma - but leave one of them unconnected it will act like a stub and cause a mismatch
[11:56] <NickB1> ok
[11:56] <NickB1> best to use two SMA footprints then
[11:56] <navrac> to be honest I dont think it would be the end of the world to leave the track in for the rfm/ntx and then ust trim one off with a scalepl
[11:56] <Colin-G8TMV> if you want to have the 2Tx options, then run the two track *close* to the sma and fit a link to connect the correct one at build time
[11:57] <navrac> right - new keyboard has arrived for the laptop. Hopefully this will improve my legibility
[11:57] <Colin-G8TMV> navrac: you mean a scalpel and a bandaid
[11:57] <NickB1> haha
[11:57] <NickB1> ok thanks!
[11:57] <navrac> yep nickb1 exactly that - ust heat the track with the iron first
[11:58] <navrac> that was the hot track cauterises the wound as the scalpel pushes it in your finger
[11:59] <navrac> ok changing keyboard - fed up with so many missing letters and it misreading the other half.
[11:59] <cuddykid> fsphil - yep, I can prevent programmer from providing power, but surely the serial level comms will be at 5V?
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[12:02] <cuddykid> is 9V too much to supply to a 3V3 reg?
[12:02] <Upu> depends on the reg
[12:02] <Upu> check the data sheet
[12:02] <jonsowman> try it and see
[12:02] <jonsowman> (don't do this)
[12:02] <Upu> lol
[12:02] <cuddykid> lol
[12:03] <r2x0t> if it's switching, it's ok
[12:03] <number10> even if it within spec you will waste a lot of energy with that much input voltage cuddykid
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[12:03] <Upu> they have a builtin over voltage indicator
[12:03] <Upu> if you put too much in a little cloud of smoke comes out to tell you
[12:03] <cuddykid> I can't find 4 battery holder - only got 6 battery holder
[12:03] <number10> maplin
[12:03] <cuddykid> yeah
[12:03] <r2x0t> if it's linear reg, then you can heat entire baloon from it
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[12:04] <fsphil> cuddykid, can't speak for every programmer but mine uses the VCC *from* the board to program it
[12:04] <fsphil> so it can program regardless of the voltage levels
[12:05] <cuddykid> ahh ok, great
[12:05] <cuddykid> checked the datasheet
[12:05] <cuddykid> it says absolute maximum rating 15V
[12:05] <cuddykid> I guess it should be ok then. :S
[12:05] <jonsowman> yep
[12:05] <daveake> Next you need to check the power dissipation
[12:06] <cuddykid> 12W
[12:06] <jonsowman> :o
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[12:06] <jonsowman> oh is that max?
[12:06] <daveake> What???
[12:06] <cuddykid> max
[12:06] <daveake> Max ona big heatsink
[12:06] <jonsowman> lol ok
[12:06] <jonsowman> what are you powering cuddykid?
[12:06] <cuddykid> atmega328
[12:06] <number10> global warmin
[12:06] <cuddykid> just to test whether it all works
[12:06] <jonsowman> yeah, unlikely to need 12W
[12:06] <jonsowman> if it does you're doing it wrong
[12:06] <cuddykid> hmm - I'll give it a shot& :P
[12:07] <HixPad> What happened with buzz?
[12:07] <cuddykid> v reg is already boiling as it's been sitting in sun
[12:08] <cuddykid> ok, don't think it's a good idea with 6 batteries, within seconds it gets scorching!
[12:08] <jonsowman> that's bad
[12:08] <jonsowman> is it just the AVR you're running?
[12:08] <jonsowman> it should only require a few mA
[12:08] <cuddykid> well, the AVR isn't even on yet
[12:09] <jonsowman> which, even with 6V drop, should only be a few mW of power dissipation
[12:09] <cuddykid> I'll look again for a 4 batt halder
[12:09] <fsphil> HixPad, it met a tree
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[12:09] <jonsowman> it shouldnt get warm at all really
[12:09] <cuddykid> jonsowman: even with 6 batteries?
[12:09] <jonsowman> not with just powering an AVR
[12:09] <jonsowman> P = IV
[12:09] <jonsowman> V = 6, I = small
[12:10] <cuddykid> but the avr isn't present?
[12:10] <jonsowman> what's attached to the output of the reg?
[12:10] <cuddykid> caps, resistors, and crystal stuff - all but the avr
[12:10] <jonsowman> still should be very little current draw
[12:10] <jonsowman> got a schematic?
[12:12] <zyp> sounds like the output of the reg is shorted to ground.
[12:12] <jonsowman> something does sound a bit dodgy
[12:12] <jonsowman> it shouldn't be getting hot
[12:12] <cuddykid> http://i.imgur.com/07tY5.png
[12:12] <zyp> it would if output is shorted.
[12:12] <Colin-G8TMV> s/a bit/very/
[12:13] <cuddykid> the reg is a funny one though, pinouts aren't correct in the footprint I used
[12:13] <jonsowman> cuddykid: oh is this the one where the part is incorrect in eagle?
[12:13] <cuddykid> yeah
[12:13] <jonsowman> i'd check over that and the pinout very carefully
[12:13] <cuddykid> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/526
[12:13] <cuddykid> theres all sorts of comments about it in the comment section :S
[12:13] <jonsowman> the tab is Vout on those isn't it
[12:14] <jonsowman> you havent grounded it by accident?
[12:14] <daveake> Good point
[12:14] <daveake> Annoying that they do that
[12:14] <jonsowman> daveake: yeah it's odd
[12:14] <cuddykid> don't think so
[12:14] <jonsowman> cuddykid: have you got a bench PSU available?
[12:14] <cuddykid> I have to say.. my other v reg got *very* hot, but still worked great
[12:14] <cuddykid> jonsowman: nope
[12:15] <zyp> linear regs should not get hot without a load.
[12:15] <cuddykid> I have a 5v one, with a different pin out, and that got hot but did the job :S
[12:15] <jonsowman> nothing on that schematic should draw significant current
[12:15] <jonsowman> not that I can see anyway
[12:15] <zyp> the dissipation of a linear reg is pretty much proportional with the load (at a constant input voltage)
[12:16] <jonsowman> cuddykid: if nothing else it's a waste of power
[12:16] <zyp> so if it gets really hot really fast, you got a short somewhere.
[12:16] <jonsowman> which is kind of important for a payload
[12:16] <zyp> check all vcc traces
[12:16] <NigelMoby> cuddy try a continuity test on the vreg tab / pins to ure vbatt - and gnd
[12:16] <navrac> unless you are using the waste heat to warm the payload
[12:16] <navrac> easiest is to see if 3v3 is coming out the end
[12:17] <jonsowman> i was going to suggest that if he had a current limited PSU
[12:17] <jonsowman> without current limiting, things might break
[12:17] <jonsowman> in theory I think those vregs have overcurrent protection...
[12:17] <Colin-G8TMV> for values of break including letting the magic smoke out
[12:17] <jonsowman> indeed
[12:17] <navrac> well if he knows its getting hot then it must already be on so too late to worry now
[12:18] <zyp> jonsowman, in practice it's often overtemperature protection
[12:18] <NigelMoby> I've had thus with the vregs he's using, always a short between gnd and vout, norm a stray bit of solder.
[12:18] <zyp> so it limits current when it gets too hot
[12:18] <jonsowman> zyp: yes that's probably the sensible way to do it
[12:18] <jonsowman> yeah
[12:18] <cuddykid> right - I've got a multimeter and 9v batt supply and the reg is soldered to the board
[12:18] <cuddykid> will resistances give any hints?
[12:19] <jonsowman> well you can check that Vout isn't shorted to ground
[12:19] <zyp> check both polarities
[12:19] <daveake> Measure from VOut to GND
[12:19] <cuddykid> between 2 off the pins it drops to almost 0
[12:19] <daveake> then Vin to GND
[12:19] <jonsowman> cuddykid: which pins?
[12:19] <cuddykid> daveake: resistance?
[12:19] <daveake> And you might as well do VIN to VOUT too :)
[12:19] <daveake> Er, yes
[12:19] <zyp> check both vout-gnd and gnd-vout
[12:19] <daveake> You're looking for a short
[12:19] <cuddykid> right, one sec :P
[12:19] <daveake> Remove battery first
[12:21] <cuddykid> GND - Vout (i think) = 560ohm
[12:21] <jonsowman> that's perhaps suspicious
[12:21] <cuddykid> GND- Vin = 540
[12:21] <jonsowman> i'd expect lower for a short though
[12:22] <cuddykid> vin vout = 900
[12:22] <cuddykid> gahhhhh
[12:22] <cuddykid> I think I know what I've done..
[12:22] <jonsowman> go on
[12:22] <cuddykid> I *think* I've put the reg in the wrong way around
[12:22] <cuddykid> looking at the comments it should go (GOI)
[12:23] <cuddykid> yet my pcb goes (IOG)
[12:23] <NigelMoby> yup
[12:23] <jonsowman> that would explain it
[12:23] <cuddykid> so I need to switch it
[12:23] <cuddykid> let me double check that
[12:23] <NigelMoby> they're def goi I use the same 1s
[12:23] <jonsowman> test it before you solder it back in to make sure it's still alive
[12:23] <jonsowman> i've killed regs before now by doing that
[12:27] <cuddykid> oh no - this is messed up
[12:27] <cuddykid> the board goes: GND, Vin, Vout
[12:28] <cuddykid> the reg goes: Vin, Vout, GND
[12:28] <cuddykid> can't even switch it around :/
[12:28] <jonsowman> you can bodge it by putting the reg on flying leads
[12:28] <cuddykid> going to have to do a botch job!
[12:28] <cuddykid> yep will have to
[12:28] <jonsowman> fwiw, sort out the eagle part so this doesn't happen again
[12:28] <jonsowman> :)
[12:29] <cuddykid> yeah
[12:29] <cuddykid> its confusing
[12:29] <cuddykid> does that sound like it would be right?
[12:30] <cuddykid> oh no&&&
[12:30] <cuddykid> something major is up here
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[12:30] <jonsowman> well it would certainly explaint he problem
[12:30] <jonsowman> typing fail
[12:31] <cuddykid> this is mind boggling
[12:31] <cuddykid> one sec
[12:31] <jonsowman> hehe
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[12:32] <cuddykid> panic averted I think, all ok, apart from pinouts
[12:33] <cuddykid> I'll unsolder it then
[12:33] <jonsowman> yep
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[12:33] <cuddykid> and bodge away
[12:34] <cuddykid> it should work ok
[12:34] <jonsowman> hopefully the reg survived its ordeal
[12:34] <cuddykid> as I can shift the reg down a set of pins and just loop the GND back around
[12:34] <cuddykid> so 2 pins will be in properly
[12:34] <jonsowman> yeah that'll work
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[12:38] <andrew_apex> daveake: how's BUZZ going?
[12:39] <LazyLeopard> Well, there's this tree...
[12:40] <NickB1> looks like he got it back ?
[12:41] <andrew_apex> hang on - it's in a tree? did it launch? :S
[12:41] <LazyLeopard> <daveake> Upu http://imgur.com/a/AJgNF
[12:41] <fsphil> oh arr
[12:41] <andrew_apex> was that on the way up?
[12:41] <LazyLeopard> NickB1: or he's building another payload?
[12:42] <NickB1> ah yes
[12:43] <NickB1> probably
[12:43] <number10> he has another one that he was going to launch next week - he is thinking about launching that today
[12:43] <NickB1> whats the PBH balloon ?
[12:43] <LazyLeopard> andrew_apex: Yep. It flew across the cricket pitch into a tree...
[12:44] <LazyLeopard> number10: hopefully from somewhere with shorter trees...
[12:44] <andrew_apex> aww, poor daveake :(
[12:44] <number10> thats the plan I think
[12:44] <daveake> Could someone change the Buzz freq on spacenear from 434.2 to 434.1 please?
[12:45] <daveake> andrew_apex Yeah, didn't go up as much as it needed to
[12:45] <jonsowman> daveake: done
[12:45] <daveake> Cheers :)
[12:46] <Colin-G8TMV> daveake: estimated launch tim? so we know when to get set up again
[12:46] <daveake> Oh, and 1000GMT --> 13:15 please :)
[12:46] <daveake> Make it :30
[12:46] <daveake> Don't want to rush :)
[12:46] <daveake> Payload and balloons ready
[12:47] <andrew_apex> :)
[12:47] <daveake> I'll just get the car online then we'll set off
[12:47] <Colin-G8TMV> tree ready?
[12:47] <jonsowman> daveake: alright
[12:47] <andrew_apex> daveake: what was the balloon on this morning's launch?
[12:47] <daveake> You realise I live next to a road called Ash Close?
[12:47] <daveake> 2 x 36" foils
[12:47] <jonsowman> daveake: done
[12:47] <daveake> tvm
[12:47] <jonsowman> no worries
[12:49] <cuddykid> can't get it unsoldered :(
[12:50] <jonsowman> unsoldering is a pain
[12:50] <cuddykid> the solder braid doesn't want to work :/
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[12:50] <jonsowman> cover it in flux
[12:50] <andrew_apex> cuddykid: add a bit more solder to maximise heat transfer?
[12:50] <cuddykid> can't touch the vreg as it gets so hot
[12:51] <cuddykid> more solder to the braid?
[12:51] <andrew_apex> to the joint (braid and bit to desolder)
[12:51] <cuddykid> ok, will try that
[12:51] <cuddykid> thanks
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[12:54] <G8NSV_Bob> Any update on launch?
[12:54] <Colin-G8TMV> 13:30
[12:55] <G8NSV_Bob> New one or got of down fr tree?
[12:55] <Colin-G8TMV> new one
[12:55] <NigelMoby> cuddy, ure pcbs are gio not goi?
[12:55] <G8NSV_Bob> What frequency please?
[12:55] <jonsowman> 434.1
[12:55] <Colin-G8TMV> 434.1
[12:56] <G8NSV_Bob> Thank you
[12:56] <daveake> car online
[12:57] <Colin-G8TMV> someone mentioned last weekend that dl-fldigi can tune the rig if you have the cat interface - how do you enable tuning?
[12:57] <daveake> should be leaving soon. Launch site is 10 mins or so away
[12:58] <andrew_apex> Colin-G8TMV: what rig have you got? and yes, it works for me :D
[12:58] <G8NSV_Bob> All set and ready here
[12:58] <Colin-G8TMV> got an 817 and the cat is working because dl-fldigi is showing the correct frequency
[12:59] <andrew_apex> have you enabled rig control?
[12:59] <Colin-G8TMV> err.. where?
[12:59] <andrew_apex> configure-operator-rig-rigcat
[13:00] Action: Colin-G8TMV goes to check
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[13:00] <andrew_apex> tick use RigCat
[13:01] <Colin-G8TMV> Ah, I've currently got it using Hamlib
[13:01] <andrew_apex> that should work
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[13:01] <andrew_apex> i use rigcat though
[13:02] <andrew_apex> does the 817 change freq if you click the frequency readout in fldigi?
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[13:02] <cuddykid> destroyed the reg trying to get it out - argh
[13:02] <cuddykid> right, that board is going in the bin :(
[13:02] <andrew_apex> (green frequency readout, top left)
[13:02] <cuddykid> will have to put another order in for vregs and caps
[13:04] <Colin-G8TMV> andrew_apex: I don't seem to have the rig cat def files for the 817
[13:04] <Colin-G8TMV> BUT using hamlib if I click the green freq then yes the rig changes freq
[13:04] <andrew_apex> okay, stick with hamlib then :)
[13:04] <Colin-G8TMV> so how do I enable the auto tune to make the rig follow the drift
[13:04] <andrew_apex> Colin-G8TMV: configure-operator-dl-client
[13:05] <andrew_apex> tick frequency tracking enabled
[13:05] <Colin-G8TMV> Ah, found it! thanks
[13:05] <andrew_apex> woo :D
[13:06] <Colin-G8TMV> it was the last bit I was missing
[13:07] <andrew_apex> :)
[13:09] <jonsowman> daveake: ping
[13:09] <jonsowman> cuddykid: can't you just cut the reg and remove each pin individually
[13:09] <jonsowman> shouldn't need to chuck the whole board
[13:10] <cuddykid> pics coming..
[13:10] <cuddykid> http://pic.twitter.com/ot2vtPJy
[13:10] <Colin-G8TMV> jonsowman: daveake is out in his car
[13:10] <jonsowman> i thought he might be
[13:11] <Upu> Buzz up ?
[13:11] <LazyLeopard> Looks like he's towing it. ;)
[13:11] <Upu> thats in the car isn't it
[13:11] <number10> taking it to launch site by the looks of it Upu
[13:12] <Upu> yeah
[13:12] <LazyLeopard> Buzz the Second is on its way to a treeless launcg site. ;)
[13:12] <Upu> jsut saw the altitude go up but suspect he's driving up a hill
[13:12] <G0DJA> Spacenear.us not so good on the mobile
[13:12] <Upu> no its terrible
[13:13] <priyesh> can't wait to get started on habhub for android :D
[13:13] <jonsowman> you should get on that priyesh
[13:13] <priyesh> i should
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[13:13] <G8NSV_Bob> Would be great
[13:13] <Upu> make an Apple version too
[13:13] <NigeyS> priyesh: awsome idea, was on about that only the other day!
[13:14] <jonsowman> Upu: anyone good at iphone dev?
[13:14] <cuddykid> iPhone/iPad version PLEASEEEEEE! :D
[13:14] <priyesh> yeah - have a look at the email i sent out last night for more info
[13:14] <cuddykid> I'm learning..
[13:14] <cuddykid> slowly..
[13:14] <jonsowman> cuddykid: well if you want to help out
[13:14] <Upu> yeah I have someone but he seems to struggle to ever finish anything
[13:14] <jonsowman> we've got a few people who have done android stuff keen on helping
[13:14] <Upu> been asking him for 12 months to get the tracker app on the store
[13:14] <NigeyS> priyesh: have done, i did the questionaire to
[13:14] <jonsowman> no apple devs yet
[13:15] <Upu> I keep having to get a Dev certificate on my phone every 3 months
[13:15] <cuddykid> well, I'm literally just beginning - so no good atm, but hopefully in the future
[13:15] <priyesh> NigeyS: great :)
[13:15] <jonsowman> cuddykid: well this is going to be a fairly long term thing
[13:15] <cuddykid> I've got a dev account though if anyone needed it to post to apple store
[13:15] <cuddykid> good stuff
[13:16] <priyesh> i think the android user base is slightly larger (going by the current survey results)
[13:16] <priyesh> so we'll start off with that
[13:16] <priyesh> see how it goes
[13:16] <jonsowman> i wonder how different that would have been 2-3 years ago
[13:16] <priyesh> yeah
[13:16] <Colin-G8TMV> hmm.. Dave's car is in Park Wood - not a good sign
[13:16] <G0DJA> I filled in the questionaire as well
[13:16] <priyesh> thanks :)
[13:17] <Upu> I filled it in
[13:17] <andrew_apex> priyesh: have you got preliminary results for the survey?
[13:17] <Colin-G8TMV> Oh, yes, me too
[13:17] <priyesh> andrew_apex: yeah
[13:17] <priyesh> one second
[13:17] <G0DJA> This one is an Android phone
[13:17] <priyesh> http://grab.by/cvzK
[13:18] <navrac> buzz is road following - either very clever or the chase car isnt updaiting
[13:18] <navrac> only about half a mile to the launch site
[13:18] <navrac> ah chase car now overtaken it
[13:18] <andrew_apex> priyesh: nice
[13:19] <priyesh> andrew_apex: http://grab.by/cvzK http://grab.by/cvzO http://grab.by/cvzQ
[13:19] <andrew_apex> pretty :)
[13:19] <andrew_apex> and HTC Desire win
[13:20] <priyesh> haha - yeah
[13:20] <NigeyS> Desire HD FTW! :D
[13:20] <andrew_apex> NigeyS: My comment was generic to all Desire breeds :P
[13:21] <NigeyS> only 1 i havent tried is the Desire S
[13:22] <Upu> Back later on
[13:22] <navrac> i can upgrade my streak to 2.3 if it makes it easier to use 2.3 functionality
[13:22] <priyesh> i'll see how it goes
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[13:22] <priyesh> and what features are needed
[13:23] <G0DJA> This is 2.1 only
[13:24] <Colin-G8TMV> Hmm.. is it just me or is buzz not updating in the tracker - just the car
[13:24] <jonsowman> android 4.0 is so nice
[13:24] <LazyLeopard> It's intermittent...
[13:24] <NigeyS> ics .. mmmm
[13:24] <priyesh> yeah - ics is great
[13:24] <Colin-G8TMV> Ah, maybe because it's in the car
[13:24] <priyesh> would making the app ics only be mean?
[13:24] <NigeyS> yes lol
[13:24] <navrac> well the cars at the launch site - if the car goes back to the balloon and then back again iwe know he left the boot open
[13:25] <andrew_apex> kinda :P
[13:25] <Colin-G8TMV> lol
[13:25] <G0DJA> Don't have a tablet either
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[13:26] <G8NSV_Bob> Can't wait for my I've update
[13:26] <G8NSV_Bob> I've
[13:27] <G8NSV_Bob> Ics
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[13:27] <G8NSV_Bob> At last
[13:28] <NSS-WB9SBD> Anyone here following PBH?
[13:28] <tstowe> Greetings from Beaufort, SC
[13:28] <NSS-WB9SBD> morning
[13:31] <tstowe> PBH?
[13:31] <navrac> we're watching it on the spacenear.us tracker
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[13:33] <tstowe> is it a floater?
[13:33] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... So that's Harwell just to the north of the car, then...
[13:33] <navrac> pbh is going for the endurance record i think
[13:34] <tstowe> ah
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[13:34] <navrac> whats the address of the logtail?
[13:35] <priyesh> http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/
[13:35] <navrac> it may be he reset buzz and its not showing up as the count is below the last count
[13:35] <priyesh> i don't think the count is used, it's more the time
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[13:36] Action: LazyLeopard suspects daveake's network connectivity isn't...
[13:36] <Colin-G8TMV> looks like it's up
[13:36] <priyesh> yep
[13:36] <G0DJA> Logtail url says 'error'
[13:37] <navrac> yep its up
[13:37] <G8NSV_Bob> Tally ho!
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[13:38] <G8NSV_Bob> Is it just my browser or no aos rig
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[13:39] <NSS-WB9SBD> yes it is a duration attempt.
[13:39] <NigeyS> wb cuddykid :)
[13:39] <LazyLeopard> Dial 434.096
[13:39] <G8NSV_Bob> The signal coverage ring
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[13:41] <G8NSV_Bob> Got it now at hurn
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[13:41] <Laurenceb> what happened to buzz?
[13:41] <Laurenceb> its moved
[13:41] <Colin-G8TMV> got it here in Cambridge
[13:41] Nick change: LazyLeopard -> LazyL_M0LEP
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[13:41] <NSS-WB9SBD> I'm back,
[13:41] <LazyL_M0LEP> Dial 434.096 and it's the second payload 'cos the first is stuck in a tree...
[13:42] <Laurenceb> oh
[13:42] <Laurenceb> helps to have a backup
[13:42] <LazyL_M0LEP> ;)
[13:43] <Laurenceb> sealed foil or zero pressure?
[13:43] <NSS-WB9SBD> 54K zero pressure
[13:44] <NSS-WB9SBD> PBH thst is,
[13:44] <NSS-WB9SBD> that is
[13:44] <NigeyS> Laurenceb: buzz is sealed foil
[13:44] <NSS-WB9SBD> http://www.projectbluehorizon.com/
[13:44] <NigeyS> NSS-WB9SBD: what volume is this 1 ?
[13:45] <NSS-WB9SBD> PBH? E-Mails say it's a 54 thousand cubic feet size.
[13:46] <G8NSV_Bob> Even holding signal when the pmr keys
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[13:48] <LazyL_M0LEP> Dial now 434.097
[13:49] <priyesh> decoding too :D
[13:51] <G0DJA> I left rig on 200 so won't be tracking :(
[13:51] <cuddykid> yes! herring something from rfm - doesn't sound at all healthy though!
[13:52] <cuddykid> *hearing
[13:52] <cuddykid> yay!
[13:52] <cuddykid> :D
[13:53] <cuddykid> LSB - perfect!
[13:53] <cuddykid> wooooooo
[13:53] <Colin-G8TMV> it's not moving very fast
[13:54] <NigeyS> 14kph, little wind i guess
[13:54] <G8NSV_Bob> Solid here nice signal very pleased with this funcube
[13:55] <navrac_> i can hear it here - but not decode yet
[13:55] Nick change: number10 -> number10_M0MDB
[13:56] <G8NSV_Bob> Wish I had this tower at home minus the UHF one
[13:56] <Colin-G8TMV> the rig tracking is working nicely here too
[13:56] <G8NSV_Bob> Pmr
[13:57] <G8NSV_Bob> Drift has stabilised now
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[13:59] <daveake_> Hi all
[13:59] <navrac_> well done - missed the trees
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[13:59] <daveake_> Can't believe we couldn't get online on the top of a hill!
[13:59] <navrac_> getting partial decodes here
[13:59] <daveake_> Yeah, missed the 2 trees :D
[14:00] <number10_M0MDB> XD
[14:00] <daveake_> Getting a http timeout error in my car pc program. Have switched from O2 via moy phone to TMobile via a 3G AP, and same error
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[14:00] <daveake_> Good that I find that this week not next :)
[14:01] <daveake_> So something to fix. Was fine via the home network
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[14:02] <navrac_> as you say - better to find it today
[14:02] <daveake_> So we're just finding nice places to stop and watch the tracking
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[14:04] <daveake_> Thought the signal was crap earlier but I hadn't plugged in the magmount :p
[14:04] <navrac_> lol
[14:05] <daveake_> The http timeout is my car position upload
[14:05] <Colin-G8TMV> great signal here in Cambridge - and has been since I found the signal at 1500m alt
[14:05] <daveake_> I need to get it to wait for completion before then waiting 10 secs say to upload again
[14:05] <daveake_> Cambridge - that's good for the alt
[14:06] <G8NSV_Bob> Lovely signal at Hurn Airport Dave.
[14:06] <daveake_> cool
[14:06] <Colin-G8TMV> daveake_: I'm using a colinear at 40 foot agl
[14:07] <G8NSV_Bob> Been tracking since around 2km alt
[14:07] <daveake_> yeah that'll do it
[14:07] <daveake_> :)
[14:07] <daveake_> I get much better results now with a colinear atop an 8m mast
[14:07] <navrac_> im just missing by the odd dodgey char. Really annoying - I want to get one before the blue circle hits me
[14:07] <Colin-G8TMV> into an 817, signaLink USB and then to the laptop
[14:08] <G8NSV_Bob> Stacked dipoles at about 50 but a UHF base station antenna 2m away at same height
[14:08] <navrac_> agg - 1 char out that time
[14:09] <navrac_> blue lines got me :-(
[14:09] <G8NSV_Bob> This funcube is great.
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[14:10] <Colin-G8TMV> navrac_: what split do you have set?
[14:10] <navrac_> 485 - just playing with it atm
[14:10] <navrac_> i must say im well impressed withthe funcube
[14:11] <Colin-G8TMV> I'm using 480 as advertised
[14:11] <daveake_> Yeah I set 480
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[14:11] <G8NSV_Bob> It is a fantastic little bit of Kit
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[14:11] <navrac_> got one
[14:12] <navrac_> my yupiteru cant even hear it
[14:12] <daveake_> These are nice and sensitive then, just not good at ignoring strong local transmissions?
[14:13] <navrac_> yep - ivw got the gain up max - ive discovered the missreading is being caused by the virtual audio cable linking it to fldigi - its dropping bits causing regular misreads
[14:13] <NSS-WB9SBD> How long is BUZZ expected to stay loft?
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[14:14] <G8NSV_Bob> Need a good filters I think
[14:14] <navrac_> 2 balloons dave?
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[14:14] <daveake_> Yes 2 floppy ones
[14:14] <G8NSV_Bob> My fldigi is decoding but not uploading
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[14:15] <daveake_> G8NSV_Bob not all listeners always appear in the list
[14:15] <number10_M0MDB> check dlclient on line G8NSV_Bob
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[14:15] <daveake_> I'm not but I think it's because the mobile connection is slow to upload
[14:15] <priyesh> what's up with the 00000 altitude
[14:16] <jonsowman> ?
[14:16] <priyesh> packets 425 427
[14:16] <Colin-G8TMV> just one blip
[14:16] <G8NSV_Bob> online but nothing on tracker
[14:16] <priyesh> it's back
[14:16] <cuddykid> is this with the chip antenna?
[14:16] <daveake_> yes
[14:16] <Colin-G8TMV> yeah, the checksum was ok so it must be an on-board bug
[14:17] <gonzo_> ah, 434.100 ! Helps if I read the info!
[14:17] <cuddykid> nice
[14:17] <gonzo_> (Was on .200!)
[14:17] <Colin-G8TMV> G8NSV_Bob: what does it say in the status at the bottom of the window?
[14:17] <daveake_> I've seen some zeroes happen before. Don't recall the same with the Lassen. I'll take a look during the week
[14:17] <gonzo_> good sigs in poole, bur corruption from qrm)
[14:18] <daveake_> gonzo_ yeah, the .200 tracker is waving in the breeze
[14:18] <G8NSV_Bob> Messages look ok and green decode
[14:18] <daveake_> Thought I'd best change the frequency for the second attempt :)
[14:19] <G8NSV_Bob> Says uploaded
[14:19] <Colin-G8TMV> so it should say "extracting" then "uploading" then "uploaded" in the bottom status bar
[14:19] <Colin-G8TMV> ok, then it's working
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[14:19] <Morseman_G0DJA> My rig was left on 200 when I went out:(
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[14:20] <G8NSV_Bob> Yes it does
[14:20] <daveake_> Yeah, sorry about that :(. Dave lost tree won
[14:20] <Colin-G8TMV> G8NSV_Bob: what user name do you have set in Operator config?
[14:21] <G8NSV_Bob> G8nsv/a
[14:21] <number10_M0MDB> G8NSV/A : BUZZ,449,14:20:58,51.58050,-1.38238,04358,11,62,12,17,60060,9,4.59,15*3A
[14:22] <Colin-G8TMV> and where are you (geographically)
[14:22] <G8NSV_Bob> Hurn airport
[14:23] <Morseman_G0DJA> Heading home soon so hope it's still flying
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[14:25] <NigeyS> hm second time that glitch has kicked in
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[14:25] <Colin-G8TMV> G8NSV_Bob: well your station on the map knows you are uploading, maybe the list of rx's in the payload doesn't like the /A
[14:26] <daveake_> navrac_ What altitude did your get to before it levelled out?
[14:26] <Colin-G8TMV> In fact... maybe it's the /A that is courupting the list and showing so few Rxs
[14:26] <daveake_> Aah, burn him burn him :p
[14:27] <Colin-G8TMV> G8NSV_Bob: could you change your operator name to something without the /
[14:27] <number10_M0MDB> was it about 5km daveake_ ?
[14:27] <NigeyS> navracs was 5km
[14:27] <daveake_> I think mine rarely shows because of the delay in uploading via mobile network
[14:27] <NigeyS> buzz is still ascending to fast to do it so low, maybe 7km float dave
[14:29] <number10_M0MDB> the track seems to be drawing a dog
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[14:29] <Rob_M0DTS> good sig here got first decode just now
[14:29] <G8NSV_Bob> Just changed it to g8nsv2
[14:29] <Colin-G8TMV> ok, it might take a few mins to notice
[14:29] <jonsowman> has shift increased a bit?
[14:30] <Colin-G8TMV> don't think so
[14:30] <Colin-G8TMV> I'm using 480 and that looks a touch wide
[14:30] <jonsowman> righto
[14:30] <Rob_M0DTS> shift about 472
[14:30] <G8NSV_Bob> I think it hast display shows a change I'm shift.
[14:30] <navrac_> sorry loading car with boxes - 5600m
[14:31] <G8NSV_Bob> Ever so small but traces on edge of filters
[14:31] <navrac_> daveake_ floated at 5600 during the day then 5000 at night
[14:32] <G8NSV_Bob> 425 from auto conf
[14:32] <daveake_> tvm
[14:32] <jonsowman> 475 looks right here
[14:33] <jonsowman> not that i can decode. silly hills.
[14:33] <jonsowman> or mole valley, rather
[14:33] <G8NSV_Bob> Yep just reset the shift
[14:34] <navrac_> should be able to calculate it from the minimum steps on the rfm's pll
[14:34] <navrac_> but 480's working fine
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[14:37] <LazyL_M0LEP> Just about drifting over Harwell... ;)
[14:37] <_Hix> what freq are people gettng buzz on? Got nothing around 434.650...
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[14:38] <LazyL_M0LEP> 434.100
[14:38] <LazyL_M0LEP> ...as noted in the info box on the tracker.
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[14:41] <LazyL_M0LEP> Easing over into float at 5400
[14:41] <daveake_> Looks like it :)
[14:41] <LazyL_M0LEP> ... or just a brief pause?
[14:41] <daveake_> Once it has we'll head on somewhere else to track for a while, then go home to track
[14:42] <daveake_> It's close to a float IMO
[14:42] <LazyL_M0LEP> Ooops. Another 00000 altitude...
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[14:42] <daveake_> Strange re the zero altitude. Not seen that before and I flew a complete Latex flight with the same code
[14:43] <daveake_> The NMEA has to pass the checksum check and it has to say it's got a valid position otherwise I bin it
[14:43] <daveake_> I'll take a look during the week
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[14:45] <daveake_> When I say "same code", I mean "almost" :p ... has some power saving in there
[14:46] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Lens in Payload hole or just a hole?"
[14:48] <G4DPZ> hi what are the rtty params for fldigi?
[14:49] <daveake_> 480 gap 50 baud 7 bits 2 stop no parity
[14:49] <daveake_> USB no RV
[14:50] <daveake_> Come on Buzz, slow down and float :)
[14:50] <Colin-G8TMV> daveake_: one comment about the telemetry, there doesn't seem to be a gap between packets...
[14:50] <daveake_> no, there isn't
[14:50] <Colin-G8TMV> so when fldigi retunes at the end of one you sometimes lose the next one
[14:51] <Colin-G8TMV> because the start is lost
[14:51] <Colin-G8TMV> an extra $ would probably fix it
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[14:51] <daveake_> I'm surprised it has a chance to retune with the small gap
[14:51] <Colin-G8TMV> well it's mostly working
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[14:51] <daveake_> I've had trouble with flights where there's been a larg gap and it does retune
[14:51] <daveake_> But yes extra $s don't do any harm
[14:52] <Colin-G8TMV> it decides to retune if the centre freq is outside the preset limits
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[14:52] <G4DPZ> decoding, thanks
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[14:53] <f5mvo> its the same in flight ?
[14:53] <cuddykid> does anyone have any code to parse uBlox string?
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[14:53] <number10_M0MDB> different payload 434.100 f5
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[14:54] <Graham_G3VZV> ah that helps..5&9 here
[14:54] <number10_M0MDB> different payload 434.986 F5MVO
[14:54] <number10_M0MDB> 434.0986
[14:54] <F5MVO> Ok thanks
[14:55] <daveake_> F5MVO It's a tracker I built for next week's latex flight
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[14:55] <daveake_> So now I have to build another :p
[14:55] <Graham_G3VZV> shift is around 470Hz
[14:56] <G8NSV_Bob> Changed to custom shift here.
[14:56] <daveake_> Yeah, the rfm22b is pretty good for shift but it does drift a little
[14:57] <daveake_> Over 6000m then. Hope it floats soon I need a pee
[14:57] <G8NSV_Bob> Your flying the Edmonds
[14:57] <Colin-G8TMV> find a tree... Oh, you already did ;)
[14:57] <F5MVO> you have a new prediction ?
[14:57] <daveake_> off
[14:57] <daveake_> f***
[14:57] <daveake_> :)
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[14:58] <NigeyS> picking it up nicely here dave, quite strong
[14:58] <daveake_> Great
[14:58] <number10_M0MDB> I dont think anyone has run a recent prediction F5MVO
[14:58] <fsphil> ooh who's done what?
[14:58] <daveake_> Anyone here can do that?
[14:59] <daveake_> Does live prediction work for these?
[15:00] <G8NSV_Bob> Not geared for floaters yet?
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[15:04] <daveake_> navrac_ Your ascent rate was a lot higher wasn't it? Presumably that's why this is a few 100m higher and still not quite floating
[15:05] <G4DPZ> where do i find instructions to upload to derver?
[15:05] <G4DPZ> server
[15:06] <NigeyS> G4DPZ
[15:06] <NigeyS> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[15:06] <NigeyS> :)
[15:06] <G8NSV_Bob> Phone battery down off home soon to test my home qth reception.
[15:07] <daveake_> OK we're setting off to watch from another place :)
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[15:09] <Graham_G3VZV> do we know where it is likely to go NSE or W???
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[15:11] <NigeyS> predictor had it go kinda south east
[15:12] <priyesh> right past me :)
[15:12] <NigeyS> mind ure head now lol
[15:13] <jonsowman> lol
[15:13] Action: priyesh ducks
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[15:13] <F5MVO> confirm new frequency ?
[15:13] <Colin-G8TMV> 434.100
[15:14] <Colin-G8TMV> actually 434.100.76
[15:14] <Colin-G8TMV> with tones at 1500Hz
[15:19] <priyesh> did anyone figure out the issue with teh receivers list?
[15:19] <Colin-G8TMV> doesn't look like it
[15:19] <NigeyS> nup, im not showing up, but datas getting through according to the raw page on robs server ..
[15:20] <Colin-G8TMV> is the old tracker page still somewhere - and is it the same?
[15:20] <priyesh> NigeyS: also the http://habitat.habhub.org/testing-web/demo.html shows you
[15:20] <NigeyS> ahh forgot about that, cheers priyesh
[15:21] <priyesh> although the BUZZ doc has a lot of "mess" from previous flights
[15:21] <priyesh> :P
[15:21] <NigeyS> Colin-G8TMV, dont think there is an "old" page, its all integrated with habhub now
[15:21] <NigeyS> habitat*
[15:22] <mclane> hello, can anybody advise me for a good receiver (I am not a ham)
[15:22] <Colin-G8TMV> NigeyS: No the legacy tracker i/f is still there
[15:22] <Colin-G8TMV> http://spacenear.us/tracker/legacy.php
[15:22] <Colin-G8TMV> but it's showing the same
[15:23] <NigeyS> ahh got ya
[15:23] <MrCraig> how much power is that thing putting out, even I'm decoding it!
[15:23] <NigeyS> lol
[15:24] <number10_M0MDB> there is some info here http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide mclane
[15:24] <MrCraig> first time I've ever decoded a payload other than my own NigeyS lol
[15:24] <NigeyS> blimey
[15:24] <MrCraig> yeah, live in a valley
[15:24] <jonsowman> 6666m
[15:24] <fsphil> ominous!
[15:24] <NigeyS> mclane, something that can be had on ebay occasionally, thats fairly reasonable is a yaesu ft790R
[15:24] <jonsowman> lol
[15:25] <Colin-G8TMV> well there is obviously a problem with the list of Rxs - which is a pity because part of th fun of tracking is seeing your name on the list ;)
[15:25] <NigeyS> mclane, you need something that can do 70cm on SSB
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[15:25] <number10_M0MDB> i think it happened before Colin-G8TMV and someone, maybe jcoxon fixed it
[15:26] <F6AGV> Hi all my call is not on list ? BUZZ is coming strong here
[15:26] <mclane> thanks, guys!
[15:26] <Colin-G8TMV> F6AGV: yes, there is a known problem with the Rx list
[15:26] <F6AGV> OK my friend sorry
[15:27] <fsphil> no signal here :)
[15:27] <LazyL_M0LEP> Yeah, the list is randomly showing a small selection of the receivers. Sometimes you're there. Mostly not. ;)
[15:27] <NigeyS> F6AGV, ure decoding it to ?
[15:27] <Upu> Yo back
[15:27] <jonsowman> F6AGV: i'm trying to work out when it's broken, i'll let you know if i find out
[15:27] <Upu> BUzz clear as a bell
[15:28] <F6AGV> YES DECODING IS PERFECT here but my call isn't in the receiver's list
[15:28] <priyesh> 2E0UPU ASTRA F6AGV G0NZO G3VZV-1 G4DPZ G8DSU G8TMV M0LEP M0MDB MRCRAIG PRIYESH
[15:28] <priyesh> i can confirm those receivers ^
[15:28] <NigeyS> burst
[15:28] <jonsowman> F6AGV: your telemetry is being uploaded, it's only the list that is broken
[15:28] <Upu> nope
[15:28] <NigeyS> ok maybe not
[15:28] <jonsowman> lol
[15:28] <Upu> float
[15:28] <NigeyS> its doing some crazy stuff today
[15:28] <fsphil> turbulence
[15:29] <NigeyS> -0.7 to +1.8 :|
[15:29] <Upu> passing 747
[15:29] <fsphil> or it hit a bird
[15:29] <NigeyS> lol
[15:29] <jonsowman> bird hit it more like
[15:29] <Upu> Yeah receivers list is broken
[15:29] <r2x0t> bird in 7k alt?
[15:29] <Upu> Someone fixed that receivers thing last time
[15:30] <jonsowman> yeah
[15:30] <Upu> thats a lovely signal
[15:30] <number10_M0MDB> yes, cant remember who
[15:30] <Upu> no QRM
[15:30] <jonsowman> idk what was wrong
[15:30] <Upu> this is a good frequency
[15:30] <jonsowman> http://pastie.org/3660847
[15:31] <jonsowman> i wonder if that's anything to do with it
[15:31] <priyesh> jonsowman: is that the error which is always on the logcat?
[15:31] <MrCraig> is there a url where the strings can be viewed?
[15:31] <jonsowman> yeah
[15:31] <Upu> look at the zero noise : http://i.imgur.com/mwX53.png
[15:32] <F6AGV> VERY GOOD STABILITY
[15:32] <Upu> agreed F6AGV
[15:32] <fsphil> got you beat, I don't even have a pesky hab signal there :)
[15:33] <Laurenceb> this is rfm22b?
[15:33] <jonsowman> lol
[15:33] <MrCraig> found it :)
[15:33] <Upu> there is MrCraig but it generates a huge 15Mb page which if everyone hits it will screw Robs server over probably
[15:33] <Upu> yes Laurenceb
[15:33] <MrCraig> oh
[15:33] <MrCraig> :-/
[15:33] <Laurenceb> nice
[15:33] <fsphil> Upu, you could probably change it so that it's gzip'ed
[15:33] <fsphil> save a huge amount of bandwidth
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[15:34] <MrCraig> fsphil, you're familiar with the digiflidgy code right?
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[15:34] <jonsowman> Upu: cleared that file
[15:34] <fsphil> some of it MrCraig
[15:34] <jonsowman> http://robertharrison.org/listen/view.php
[15:34] <Upu> oh ok nice
[15:34] <jonsowman> MrCraig: ^
[15:34] <MrCraig> thanks jonsowman
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[15:34] <jonsowman> np
[15:34] <Upu> so how can we (By 'we' I mean you or someone who understands it) the receivers not being displayed ?
[15:35] <MrCraig> If I threw together a plugin dll/.so with a single call to launch, would you / anyone here, know how to add a button to launch it?
[15:35] <MrCraig> ^fsphil
[15:35] <F6AGV> 100% copy very good receive here
[15:35] <fsphil> to do what MrCraig?
[15:35] <jonsowman> Upu: i can't guess what the verb was meant to be in that sentence ;)
[15:35] <Upu> its in a nice bit of frequency F6AGV no QRM
[15:36] <Upu> Let me search Zeu logs
[15:36] <jonsowman> i cant remember which flight it was on
[15:37] <Upu> no me neither
[15:37] <fsphil> it was a while ago
[15:37] <NigeyS> wasnt it the cornwall flight?
[15:37] <MrCraig> fsphil - Nothing in particular, I just had a train of thought on querying strings from the db / mashing up google/bing maps - and anything else I could actually put myself to use at. I'm not too clever with large C/c++ source bases (work in pascal so different syntax and different tool chains)
[15:37] <fsphil> MrCraig, fldigi has an xmlrpc interface, you can query it from other programs
[15:38] <fsphil> although not everything is exposed through it
[15:38] <MrCraig> sweet - I'd forgotten that too
[15:38] <jonsowman> you can get at the rx buffer though
[15:39] <fsphil> or query directly from habitat if you don't need it to run offline
[15:39] <MrCraig> well - good solid signal and it's headed this way :)
[15:40] <jonsowman> MrCraig: yup, also decoding it despite mole valley's best efforts
[15:40] <Upu> I can't find it jonsowman
[15:40] <Upu> people type too much on here
[15:40] <jonsowman> Upu: i've texted adam
[15:40] <jonsowman> haha
[15:40] <Upu> ok
[15:40] <Upu> hmm
[15:40] <jonsowman> DanielRichman is the other person to ask
[15:41] <Upu> it was DanielRichman
[15:41] <MrCraig> jonsowman - I think last time I spoke to you I'd bought a car soley for hitting box hill, and never yet had the confidence to use it because it was busted. I bought a replacement today (won't be legal until next month) so I can actually escape the valley.
[15:41] <Upu> DanielRichman +fixed = No Results
[15:41] <jonsowman> MrCraig: excellent :D
[15:41] <jonsowman> Upu: unusual
[15:41] <jonsowman> :P
[15:41] Action: DanielRichman reads
[15:41] <jonsowman> DanielRichman: broken receivers list
[15:42] <DanielRichman> broken in what way?
[15:42] <Upu> not showing them all
[15:42] <Upu> sure you've fixed this before
[15:42] <Upu> it was a filter or something ?
[15:42] <jonsowman> i think it was you who fixed it last time...
[15:42] <Upu> me ?
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[15:42] <Upu> thats unlikely
[15:42] <jonsowman> no, DanielRichman
[15:42] <griffonbot> Received email: steamfire@gmail.com "Re: [UKHAS] Potential Android HabHub App for Phones & Tablets"
[15:42] <MrCraig> Opinions would be appreciated actually - is it cool or lame to have 'habuar' (it's an old jag) made out in vinyl's for it?
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[15:43] <Upu> sorry misread who posted that
[15:43] <DanielRichman> I see lots of receivers on spacenear - is there someone in particular missing?
[15:43] <DanielRichman> oh wait are we talking about the Receivers: blah, blah blah, list on the payload?
[15:43] <Upu> spacenear.us is only showing one or two of those at any one time
[15:43] <Upu> yres
[15:43] <DanielRichman> right and for BUZZ?
[15:43] <Upu> Rgr
[15:44] <Upu> QSL
[15:44] <Upu> etc
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[15:44] <griffonbot> @KSteelePTech: @Scotsfox @AngusMacNeilMP Raise your profile? How will that work; You going to set up embassies and staff in all countries? #UKhas [http://twitter.com/KSteelePTech/status/183579992834318336]
[15:44] <fsphil> haha
[15:44] <jonsowman> :\
[15:44] <jonsowman> unfortunate hashtagging there
[15:44] <fsphil> yea
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[15:44] <jcoxon> You called
[15:45] <Upu> call everybody :)
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[15:45] <Upu> hey daveake
[15:45] <daveake_> Now parked up in sunny Goring
[15:45] <daveake_> Hey Upu
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[15:45] <fsphil> great day here too
[15:45] <Upu> receiving nice and clear here in the now SUNNY Yorkshire
[15:45] <daveake_> Fun little drive; learnt a couple of things I want to change in the car s/w
[15:45] <daveake_> SUNNY YORKSHIRE? Shirley shum mistake?
[15:46] <Upu> no its lovely
[15:46] <daveake_> About to get the binoculars out see if we can see this thing
[15:46] <Upu> that would be cool
[15:46] <fsphil> it's like a summers day here
[15:46] <daveake_> Lovely day to be balloon chasing
[15:46] <daveake_> Yep
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[15:46] <Upu> got the window open
[15:46] <fsphil> yikes
[15:46] <Laurenceb> look up
[15:46] <_Hix> The antenna rig is slightly more professional [in a very loose sense] this weekend.
[15:46] <Upu> really stable signal daveake
[15:46] <_Hix> http://imgur.com/P0upi
[15:46] <r2x0t> it may be good to try just after sunset
[15:47] <Laurenceb> directly overhead
[15:47] <fsphil> lol _Hix
[15:47] <fsphil> like that
[15:47] <fsphil> what's the dial frequency? I'll have another listen
[15:47] <Upu> 434.100.77
[15:47] <Upu> shift is 465
[15:47] <_Hix> my manfrotto magic arm for the camera has another use
[15:47] <jonsowman> 434.10108 here
[15:48] <fsphil> thanks
[15:48] <G4FFC> What QRG is PBH on?
[15:48] <Laurenceb> can you see it looking up?
[15:49] <DanielRichman> this receivers thing is not the same problem as last time... it seems to show one or two; last time it was only one and was due to a mis-named field
[15:49] <_Hix> loads of decodes but not showing on spacenear...
[15:50] <priyesh> 2E0UPU ASTRA G0NZO G3VZV-1 G4DPZ G8DSU G8TMV M0JSN M0LEP M0MDB MRCRAIG PRIYESH _HIX
[15:50] <priyesh> _Hix: you're there
[15:50] <Upu> G4FFC its on APRS (US) 2meter and some HF ones 1 sec
[15:50] <NigeyS> thats weird, if i use chrome and not I.E it shows me on the map
[15:50] <Upu> G4FFC :
[15:50] <Upu> During the flight amateurs worldwide are encouraged to monitor the N2XE CW telemetry beacons at 7.1023 and 10.1466 MHz. The balloon is also equipped with an APRS beacon at 144.39 MHz using the call sign KD2AUD. Amateurs can send reports via e-mail to pbh18.data@gmail.com or manually enter received data points at www.projectbluehorizon.com. More information about the program is at the
[15:50] <Upu> Project Blue Horizon website. Launch and flight updates will also be available on Twitter @PBHVI.
[15:51] <G4FFC> OK, thank you
[15:51] Nick change: Upu -> Upu_2E0UPU
[15:51] <daveake_> 189 metres away according to my car pc
[15:51] <NigeyS> and in chrome recievers is updating properly :|
[15:51] <Upu_2E0UPU> Buzz is on 434.101 ish
[15:51] <number10_M0MDB> can you see it daveake_
[15:51] <fsphil> not using IE might actually bring about world peace
[15:51] <Upu_2E0UPU> is it NigeyS ?
[15:51] <NigeyS> lol we can only hope phil!
[15:51] <NigeyS> yup upu
[15:51] <daveake_> No, tried but can't see it
[15:51] <fsphil> 434.100 is really noisy here :(
[15:51] <_Hix> hmmm strange chrome just showing M0JSN
[15:52] <fsphil> it probably depends on when it refreshes
[15:52] <daveake_> down to 5db s/n as it's right above us :)
[15:52] <NigeyS> mojsn,g8dsu,nigeyuk
[15:52] <NigeyS> is what i see
[15:52] <daveake_> 1-2 now
[15:53] <fsphil> no signal here at all :)
[15:53] <NigeyS> Receivers: G3VZV-1, G8DSU, G0NZO, ASTRA
[15:53] <cuddykid> oh hello cheeky - getting a nice GPS print out byte by byte over the radio :D
[15:54] <Upu_2E0UPU> I don't think the browser makes a differenc
[15:55] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://i.imgur.com/obd1J.jpg
[15:55] <daveake_> OK we're going for a wander. Back later.
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[15:57] <DanielRichman> okay. habitat is uploading strings from many many callsigns to spacenear.us an the uplaods appear spacenear.us' access log
[15:57] <Colin-G8TMV> I don't think it's just the RX list that is wrong. If you move your mouse back along the track you only see 2 or 3 green lines, so it looks like it's not recording the Rxs at all
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[15:57] <NSS-WB9SBD> If you all want to use this chat room, and view the map at the same time feel free to use a web page I made for an up-coming flight of ours,
[15:57] <NSS-WB9SBD> http://www.qsl.net/nss/earthbreeze-flight-room.html
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[15:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> oh does the chat as well
[15:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> that used to be on spacenear.us I think
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[15:59] <DanielRichman> they don't, however, appear in the databse.
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[16:00] <Bob_G8NSV> home and tracking. uhf slim jim is u/s getting better sig on the 2m One!
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[16:02] <cuddykid> I've fixed the modified uBlox TinyGPS library to work with arduino 1.0
[16:03] <MrCraig> what's actually going on with the altitude?
[16:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> bobbing about
[16:03] <NigeyS> yeah, cant make its mind up
[16:03] <MrCraig> Upu_2E0UPU that's according to plans? It's normal?
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[16:03] <MrCraig> I was just wondering if this is supposed to float or rise :)
[16:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> thats a float
[16:04] <Upu_2E0UPU> floats aren't perfect :)
[16:04] <MrCraig> Ahh I did suspect
[16:04] <Upu_2E0UPU> -1m/s to 1m/s = float
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[16:06] <Bob_G8NSV> I have an antenna stored at work I need to bring home. 18db UHF PMR collinear
[16:06] <Bob_G8NSV> its about 20ft long!!
[16:06] <NigeyS> :o
[16:06] <F6AGV> solid copy 100% well signal is very strong but list is broken ?
[16:06] <number10_M0MDB> list is broken F6AGV
[16:06] <NigeyS> Receivers: M0JSN, M0LEP, G0NZO, PRIYESH, MRCRAIG, G8TMV, ASTRA, _HIX, G8DSU, NIGEYUK, 2E0UPU, M0MDB, F6AGV, G4DPZ, G3VZV-1
[16:06] <NigeyS> thats def, NOT broken lol
[16:06] <LazyL_M0LEP> F6AGV: Yes, list shows a random few.
[16:06] <Colin-G8TMV> F6AGV: yes, someone is trying to fix it
[16:06] <Bob_G8NSV> someone ordered it by mistake around 20 year ago it never got used and I rescued it years ago but never took it home
[16:07] <Bob_G8NSV> need to borry the flatbed from work!
[16:07] <DanielRichman> k so i just fixed the receivers list, I think
[16:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> that would appear fixed
[16:07] <NigeyS> yep, looks good now DanielRichman
[16:07] <Colin-G8TMV> yup, that looks fixed :)
[16:07] <LazyL_M0LEP> Yay DanielRichman
[16:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> wow
[16:07] <Bob_G8NSV> yay Im on there!!
[16:07] <Colin-G8TMV> so is half the world
[16:07] <NigeyS> lol
[16:07] <Bob_G8NSV> which is good!
[16:07] <DanielRichman> however.
[16:07] <DanielRichman> i have absolutely no idea why
[16:08] <NigeyS> gremlins?
[16:08] <DanielRichman> possibly
[16:08] <DanielRichman> I fixed what looked like a bug in track.php (somethign checked for a duplicate entry in the database, but didn't compare the callsign field so assumed it was already there when the second person received it)
[16:09] <DanielRichman> great, you might think
[16:09] <Colin-G8TMV> great now I don't have to keep going downstairs and over -> just to check it's still tracking ;)
[16:09] <DanielRichman> however track.php was last modified in 2011
[16:09] <NigeyS> :o
[16:09] <DanielRichman> and it has definitely been working
[16:09] <_Hix> is there a prediction for the flightpath?
[16:10] <F6AGV> it seems better about the list now
[16:11] <Colin-G8TMV> 13 trackers - is that a record?
[16:11] <Colin-G8TMV> make that 15
[16:12] <fsphil> altitude chart is quite similar to the last foil floater
[16:13] <Bob_G8NSV> lovely and stable now
[16:13] <Bob_G8NSV> just going to order myself an RFM22b
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[16:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> got some breakouts for it
[16:19] <gonzo_> is this a twin foil balloon today?
[16:21] <Graham_G3VZV> DanielRichman - can u fix the missing "last contact" info when you hang your mouse over a particular groundstation?:)
[16:22] <DanielRichman> Graham_G3VZV: missing? I can see lots of Last Contact: 0 hours ago; I don't understand what you mean
[16:22] <_Hix> 16 trackers just then
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[16:24] <G8DSU> Tracker is better but is still dropping some receivers from time to time. I'm getting solid copy with green messages every time but tracker displaying my callsign only about 50% of the time. Is it because we have some many receivers?
[16:24] <G8DSU> some so
[16:24] <Upu_2E0UPU> Think there is a fault with it G8DSU
[16:25] <number10_M0MDB> i think so gonzo_
[16:25] <Graham_G3VZV> DanielRichman - uum - I thought it used to list the number of packets received - been a while tho so cannot rememebr - but it was nice to see your "score"!
[16:25] <Colin-G8TMV> Graham_G3VZV: I think that was the old tracker
[16:25] <gonzo_> number10_M0MDB, ta.
[16:26] <DanielRichman> Graham_G3VZV: ah right. We had to temporarily remove that while we changed some stuff, but be assured we'll add it or something similar back (eventually :S). In the meantime, you may enjoy this: http://habitat.habhub.org/stats/
[16:26] <DanielRichman> G8DSU: clicking on the square boxes when you hover over the path shows G8DSU on all of the packets (only checked say, teh last 10).
[16:27] <Bob_G8NSV> great! My rfm22 is on its way.
[16:27] <priyesh> DanielRichman: will the stats eventually split up flights?
[16:27] <Laurenceb> by air delivery?
[16:27] <DanielRichman> your callsign might not show up in the box on the right hand side since the tracker updates by polling every so often; if it happens to poll just before you upload, I guess it could miss it?
[16:27] <Bob_G8NSV> if it heads further south yes!!
[16:27] <DanielRichman> priyesh: you can get callsign pie per flight if you click Flights List
[16:27] <Morseman> Mine says "6 hours ago" but since I tuned onto freq have been decoding lots of messages
[16:28] <priyesh> DanielRichman: yes - but it combines /all/ the past buzz flights
[16:28] <DanielRichman> priyesh: ah right, that is beacuse there is only one buzz flight document in habitat and it lasts forever. We will eventually have one flight doc per flight once it's super easy to recreate them (would be annoying to administrate)
[16:29] <priyesh> ah
[16:29] <DanielRichman> when we do that, some unlucky person will probably end up going through the database and splitting them up
[16:29] <priyesh> shotgun not me
[16:29] <Morseman> Still not showing in the list for every decode though
[16:29] <DanielRichman> *notgun
[16:29] <priyesh> haha
[16:29] <priyesh> daveake cheats with 17600 uploads :P
[16:29] <jonsowman> DanielRichman: just delete all docs and have people recreate them
[16:30] <DanielRichman> with flight docs per flight we can also exclude testing uploads from the stats, which might put a dent in his score :P
[16:30] <jonsowman> haha
[16:30] <NigeyS> lol
[16:30] <priyesh> lol
[16:31] <DanielRichman> jonsowman: Yeah, all we need is people to contribute time ranges for previous flights and we could automatically reassign telemetry to a different doc with a quick python script, so it wouldn't be too bad
[16:31] <jonsowman> yeah that'd work nicely
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[16:31] <NigeyS> jon said he'd happily do it manually :p
[16:31] <jonsowman> and delete telem that doesn't correspond to a doc
[16:31] <jonsowman> watch it NigeyS
[16:31] <jonsowman> :P
[16:32] <NigeyS> haha
[16:32] <Upu_2E0UPU> drop from database where callsign="nigeys";
[16:32] <NigeyS> i'll buy you a FRESH donut :D
[16:32] Action: jonsowman reminds priyesh of the doughnut promise
[16:32] <NigeyS> Upu_2E0UPU :(
[16:33] Action: priyesh reminds jonsowman that another apex flight has yet to happen
[16:33] <pjm__> a not bad signal here in poole
[16:33] <jonsowman> lol
[16:33] <jonsowman> just making sure you dont forget priyesh
[16:33] <pjm__> although there are local SRR's also on that freq
[16:33] <G8DSU> DanielRichman: Yup, guess it was the box on the right that I was focusing on. No big problem.
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[16:33] <number10_M0MDB> you'll be at the bottom of the list again when you pass the full Upu_2E0UPU
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[16:33] <Upu_2E0UPU> indeed :)
[16:33] <priyesh> jonsowman: i won't
[16:34] <number10_M0MDB> I am still trying to catch up with number10 and 2e0DBR
[16:37] <Morseman_G0DJA> Going to have to reboot as DL-FLDigi getting very clunky again after being left on all day
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[16:38] <_Hix> Anyone know how PBH is tracking? There are no trackers showing
[16:39] <Colin-G8TMV> ard
[16:39] <Colin-G8TMV> aprs
[16:39] <Upu_2E0UPU> APRS
[16:39] <r2x0t> PBH uses CW on HF
[16:39] <_Hix> whats CW
[16:39] <r2x0t> 7MHz... and also APRS when over land
[16:39] <r2x0t> morse
[16:39] <_Hix> ahh
[16:39] <_Hix> is it destined to float over to europe?
[16:40] <r2x0t> possible
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[16:41] <F6AGV> hello F5APQ
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[16:43] <_Hix> s/n - what is a good signal classed as?
[16:43] <jonsowman> infinite
[16:43] <jonsowman> :P
[16:43] <F6AGV> la stabilité est excellente
[16:44] <jonsowman> what defines "good" _Hix?
[16:44] <r2x0t> 4dB SNR is very nice signal with this FSK modulation
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[16:44] <jonsowman> i'm decoding alright at -2dB
[16:44] <jonsowman> i think the ASTRA tracker is getting near +20
[16:44] <Bob_G8NSV> 4-5 db here
[16:45] <_Hix> im at around 12dB is that reasonable or poor?
[16:45] <jonsowman> that's excellent
[16:45] <Bob_G8NSV> good
[16:45] <jonsowman> should be very decodeable
[16:45] <_Hix> ok - yeah green after green
[16:46] <_Hix> I assume the higher the s/n the cleaner the waterfall
[16:46] <Morseman_G0DJA> _Hix depends how loud you set the audio input
[16:46] <F5APQ> Hello F6AGV just back home
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[16:47] <Morseman_G0DJA> Just tried the 432<>28MHz transverter and SDR but I think the transverter input filters taking most of the signal out at 434MHz
[16:49] <navrac> anyone here using virtual audio cable?
[16:49] <_Hix> I'm quite surprised how clear the signal is as the Yagi is pointed deirectly at the house next door
[16:49] <Bob_G8NSV> using stereo to mix here
[16:49] <navrac> not an option on my pc
[16:50] <Bob_G8NSV> some dont have it lukily the old one I use for radio stuff does
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[16:50] <daveake_> Afternoon all
[16:50] <Bob_G8NSV> hi dave well done
[16:50] <daveake_> Nice turnout on the tracker :)
[16:51] <daveake_> Yeah one outta two ain't bad :p
[16:51] <navrac> the output from the funcube is clean if i put it out the soundcard - but using the v.a.c. to fldigi, fldigi is showing full spectrum clicks every few seconds which is mucking up the signal
[16:51] <jonsowman> lol
[16:51] <Bob_G8NSV> pain
[16:51] <Bob_G8NSV> some cheap soundcards have the stereo mix record option
[16:51] <navrac> how many g do you think the payload was daveake?
[16:52] <number10_M0MDB> daveake_: notice no zero gps errors for a while
[16:52] <Bob_G8NSV> realtek ac97 and such, thats whats in my old pc on the MB
[16:53] <radicalbiscuit> Hearing BUZZ on a globaltuners receiver in Kent: http://www.globaltuners.com/receiver/vk4fsgw.php?receiver=970
[16:53] <navrac> I think i might try a real audio cable rather than a virtual one...
[16:54] <daveake_> number10_M0MDB yeah, I couldn't see anything amiss in the code when i looked. I'll add some filtering
[16:54] <Bob_G8NSV> that will solve it if you have sockets
[16:54] <daveake_> Think I saw 16 trackers just now - thanks all :)
[16:54] <r2x0t> max was 18 some time ago
[16:55] <daveake_> wow
[16:55] <navrac> actually it wont - as the output from the soundcard will be fed back to the input so it will feedback
[16:55] <daveake_> Julie thought she counted 18 but it refreshed before she finished
[16:55] <jonsowman> daveake_: what are you using for the chase car tracker?
[16:56] <Bob_G8NSV> ahh yes seem to remember that years ago when trying to record something of a streaming player!
[16:56] <r2x0t> VAC loopback works ok
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[16:56] <daveake_> My own software running on an XP car PC
[16:56] <jonsowman> daveake_: cool
[16:56] <r2x0t> only with some SW it may skip samples, but for use like this it's not critical
[16:56] <Morseman_G0DJA> _Hix One thing to try is if your RX has filters set a narrowish one wide enough for the width of the RTTY but gets rid of some of the other noise
[16:56] <navrac> but if i put the record line input up but the playback out down it might work - i ust wont get to hear the rtty
[16:56] <daveake_> It worked just fine when on wifi at home, but the car posn upload is timing out via 3G
[16:57] <daveake_> I'll get that sorted for next time
[16:57] <Morseman_G0DJA> The TS2000 has adjustable upper and lower filters
[16:57] <daveake_> What's worked really well is the compass showing where the payload is relative to the car
[16:57] <navrac> r2x0t isnt working well here :-(
[16:57] <daveake_> Very sweet as you drive along
[16:57] <radicalbiscuit> getting good packets. If I'm on a receiver that's not mine, should I find approximate coords of that receiver and input them to dl-fldigi?
[16:57] <daveake_> Shame we couldn't actually see the balloon!
[16:58] <Morseman_G0DJA> One niggle with the new DL-FLDigi is it looses dist/bearing when a bad decode comes in
[16:58] <_Hix> 18 a few mins ago
[16:58] <_Hix> Receivers: M0JSN, PRIYESH, ASTRA, G0NZO, M0LEP, M0MDB, G8DSU, G3VZV-1, G4DPZ, F6AGV, _HIX, 2E0UPU, G8TMV, F5APQ, M0EYT, MRCRAIG, G8NSV, DAVEAKE-CHASE
[16:58] <Morseman_G0DJA> I'm still decoding quite a bit but don't get on the list
[16:58] <_Hix> Morseman_G0DJA, how would i go about that on an AR8000 any ideas?
[16:59] <daveake_> Earlier I opted for Streatley & Goring (locally known as "Extremely Boring", but a pretty place on the Thames) and we got there before the balloon did
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[16:59] <Morseman_G0DJA> Never used an AR8000 - look in manual for "filters" and see if it has any
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[16:59] <navrac> it would be 19 if i wasnt playing with the audio - sorry!
[17:00] <daveake_> OK, off for a drive
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[17:00] <navrac> sorry 20
[17:00] <Morseman_G0DJA> Ooo, I made it on that time...
[17:01] <_Hix> Nope - no filters
[17:02] <_Hix> wonder if daveake_ has programmed it to follow roads :)
[17:03] <Morseman_G0DJA> Looks like the M4 is it's route of choice :-)
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[17:07] <navrac_> yep removing vac and running a hard wired lead has solved the problem - 100% clean decodes at a s/n ratio of 20db+
[17:10] <_Hix> its trcking the M4 pretty well
[17:11] <Colin-G8TMV> I've been getting pretty much 100% decodes and it's showing +10db
[17:13] <MrCraig> The ubuntu build of dl-fldigi (built from src) seems to be setup for the new couchDB system, can it still be configured to upload to rharrison's servers? Also doesn't have operator lat/long?
[17:14] <jonsowman> dl-client > configure > location > stationary listener
[17:14] <MrCraig> thanks jonsowman
[17:14] <jonsowman> and everyone uses habitat now
[17:14] <MrCraig> habitat is the couchDB system?
[17:15] <navrac> 36db s/n
[17:15] <jonsowman> rob's stuff is still sort of there, but i don't think it supports data submission any longer. and even if it does, you shouldn't use it
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[17:15] <MrCraig> *nods ok - it's just that when I configured the ubuntu client it was decoding but didn't seem to be uploading - I had to tell it to load test flight configs to find buzz too, out of the box it had only a handful of flights in the autoconf list
[17:16] <jonsowman> yes, that's because it shuld only show current flight docs
[17:16] <jonsowman> the buzz doc is actually sandbox doc
[17:16] <MrCraig> ah ok :)
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[17:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=adb8fb4426f8563a8268f9ea2a72099defa3988a
[17:17] <jonsowman> spain, nice
[17:18] <number10_M0MDB> at this speed it will be there in time for the summer hols
[17:18] <NigeyS> lol
[17:18] <jonsowman> lol
[17:18] <NigeyS> no new positions for a few minutes ?
[17:19] <Morseman_G0DJA> Might swap to the beam as it's getting weaker here
[17:19] <Upu_2E0UPU> hmm
[17:19] <NigeyS> lots of recievers but nowt for 5 mins now
[17:19] <jonsowman> NigeyS: hmm
[17:19] <jonsowman> i'm still decoding
[17:20] <NigeyS> weird, not seen that before :|
[17:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah also decoding
[17:20] <Bob_G8NSV> I have got it at mo
[17:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> tracker not updating
[17:20] <NigeyS> Time: 2012-03-24 17:14:51
[17:20] <NigeyS> Position: 51.42155,-0.96695
[17:20] <NigeyS> Altitude: 6134 m Rate: -0.5 m/s
[17:20] <jonsowman> DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: Exception occurred while attempting to parse: 'String contains characters that are not printable ASCII.' from UKHAS
[17:20] <NigeyS> uhoh
[17:21] <NigeyS> doesnt the crc kick them out ?
[17:21] <jonsowman> it just parsed one successfully
[17:21] <NigeyS> back to normal now.. :|
[17:21] <NigeyS> odd
[17:21] <Bob_G8NSV> drifting a bit
[17:21] <cuddykid> back
[17:22] <cuddykid> this PBH launch looks to be coming our way!
[17:22] <cuddykid> :D
[17:22] <cuddykid> nice float daveake
[17:22] <NigeyS> not floating.. as such
[17:22] <NigeyS> its lost 900m in altitude
[17:22] <cuddykid> ohh :/
[17:22] <Colin-G8TMV> Hmm.. is the time field from the payload?
[17:22] <NigeyS> 800*
[17:22] <jonsowman> NigeyS: most recent position on tracker is about 17.17
[17:23] <jonsowman> it's currently 17.22 ..
[17:23] <NigeyS> yeah 17:17:39
[17:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> BUZZ,1181,17:22:44,51.41314,-0.93892,05939,16,116,-7,-1,48475,7,4.38,15*3E
[17:23] <NigeyS> thats weird
[17:23] <jonsowman> it is updating
[17:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> valid data ?
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[17:23] <jonsowman> but appears to be 5 mins behind
[17:23] <NigeyS> 5939m seems valid :|
[17:23] <NigeyS> its on its way down :/
[17:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> top - 17:23:51 up 192 days, 21:18, 1 user, load average: 12.91, 12.12, 11.69
[17:24] <Upu_2E0UPU> theres ya problem
[17:24] <NigeyS> bloody ell..lol
[17:24] <jonsowman> good lord
[17:24] <Colin-G8TMV> Eek!
[17:24] <jonsowman> Upu_2E0UPU: spacenear?
[17:24] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah
[17:24] <jonsowman> yeah kraken is fine
[17:24] <Upu_2E0UPU> model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4500 @ 2.20GHz
[17:24] <jonsowman> habitat is coping ok
[17:24] <Colin-G8TMV> too many trackers?
[17:24] <NigeyS> wonder if its the aprs script ?
[17:25] <Upu_2E0UPU> its not out of RAM
[17:25] <Upu_2E0UPU> looks like its the CPU's thats causing the issue
[17:25] <jonsowman> we've had problems like this before with that server
[17:25] <Upu_2E0UPU> 85 httpd processes
[17:25] <NigeyS> upu, what on top in TOP for cpu usage ?
[17:25] <Upu_2E0UPU> nothing
[17:25] <Upu_2E0UPU> its all just httpd
[17:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> actually
[17:26] <navrac_> Idont think its coming down - ozzie did very similar and lot 600m then stabilised for the rest of the flight - seems to be as the sun goes down
[17:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> lie
[17:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> mysqld
[17:26] <NigeyS> ahh
[17:26] <jonsowman> hmm
[17:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> is bobbing up and down but there are 4 httpds taking up more than anything else
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[17:26] <priyesh> spacenearus needs integrating directly with habitat :P
[17:27] <Upu_2E0UPU> its not a very fast CPU to be fair
[17:27] <NigeyS> should handle a fair wack of httpd though
[17:27] <jonsowman> priyesh: yes
[17:27] <priyesh> anyone up for it?
[17:27] <Upu_2E0UPU> well depends on the connections really
[17:27] <jonsowman> priyesh: well volunteered
[17:27] <NigeyS> true, if there's alot that are hung open :/
[17:28] <priyesh> jonsowman: you misinterpreted my words
[17:28] <jonsowman> :D
[17:28] <Colin-G8TMV> priyesh: no, you were quite clear - well done
[17:28] <NigeyS> upu have a check /etc/init.d/apache2 fullstatus :p
[17:28] <priyesh> lol
[17:28] <NigeyS> might wanna slap >status.txt on that mind lol
[17:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> I'm not root
[17:28] <jonsowman> just tail it
[17:28] <jonsowman> ah
[17:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> hang on
[17:29] <NigeyS> i assume its apache2 or itll be init.d/httpd
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[17:29] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://pastebin.com/zrsYD62h
[17:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> doesn't seem like alot
[17:30] <NigeyS> hrm nope, nothing to wild in there
[17:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> but its not very responsive
[17:31] <Upu_2E0UPU> got some pred processes running is that the predictor ?
[17:31] <jonsowman> i assume so
[17:31] <jonsowman> can you turn off the predictor in config.php
[17:31] <LazyL_M0LEP> Heh. Having drifted right over Harwell earlier, it's now not all that far from the Met Office place at Winnersh.
[17:31] <jonsowman> there's no GFS data for it anyway
[17:31] <Upu_2E0UPU> doesn't seem to be an off flag
[17:32] <Upu_2E0UPU> I have to take dog out
[17:32] <Upu_2E0UPU> back shortly
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[17:33] <nosebleedkt> someone expert on APRS? explain me the wide2-1 thing plz :)
[17:34] <Morseman_G0DJA> nosebleedkt How long have you got?
[17:35] <Morseman_G0DJA> There's a description of the 'old' system for digipeating and the 'new' Widen-N system at http://wa8lmf.net/DigiPaths/
[17:36] <Laurenceb> approaching sunset... will it crash?
[17:37] <Morseman_G0DJA> I'm still not getting onto the list :-(
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[17:38] <Morseman_G0DJA> Oh, I did that time!
[17:39] <NigeyS> 5636 .. def on its slow way down, thats 300m in 15mins ish
[17:41] <cuddykid> hmm - heading towards south coast too..
[17:41] <cuddykid> it should I guess touch down before the coast at this descent rate though
[17:41] <Morseman_G0DJA> A landing at Farnborough?
[17:42] <nosebleedkt> Morseman_G0DJA: i'll have a look
[17:43] <andrew_apex> 15 decoding stations - not bad! any ideas on the record number?
[17:44] <Colin-G8TMV> there were 17 or 18 earlier
[17:45] <Laurenceb> 18 receivers
[17:45] <Laurenceb> mental
[17:45] <nosebleedkt> Morseman_G0DJA: from that link: Airborne stations above a few thousand feet should ideally use NO path at all, or at the maximum only WIDE2-1 alone. Due to their extended transmit range due to elevation, multiple digipeater hops are not required by airborne stations. Multi-hop paths just add needless congestion on the shared APRS channel in areas hundreds of miles away from the aircraft's
[17:45] <nosebleedkt> own location.
[17:46] <nosebleedkt> So I guess that when the hab is not very high it should use wide2-1. And when it goes too high should be pathless
[17:47] <nosebleedkt> My question is what is that height?
[17:48] <nosebleedkt> and who in this world measures height in feet?
[17:48] <nosebleedkt> what is that thing?
[17:48] <nosebleedkt> human feet? omg
[17:48] <Morseman_G0DJA> nosebleedkt I would suggest no digis at all unless in very remote areas and then possibly wide 1-1 (wide2-1 would be wide2-2 gone trough one digi already)
[17:49] <Colin-G8TMV> nosebleedkt: Americans
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[17:49] <Morseman_G0DJA> Was never a great fan of digi strings - so many people had no idea what they were doing with them...
[17:50] <nosebleedkt> measuring distance in feet just sucks
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[17:52] <Morseman_G0DJA> nosebleedkt Sorry I didn't realise you were going to be pernickerty I assumed you wanted to learn about APRS digipeating - For UK try http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/uiview.htm
[17:52] <Bob_G8NSV> turning to follow the M3 west!!
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[17:53] <gonzo_> 21 stations a sec ago!
[17:55] <Morseman_G0DJA> However, I don't think balloon traffic is allowed in 2M so the digi/gateways only become an issue if someone sets up loads of digis on one of the usual HAB frequencies anyway
[17:56] <r2x0t> not sure about that... there is currently baloon in germany using APRS on 2m for tracking...
[17:56] <r2x0t> http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FSTRAEX-11&timerange=3600
[18:01] <navrac_> i think weve lost one of the two balloons
[18:01] <NigeyS> yups
[18:02] <Colin-G8TMV> lost as in detatched or deflated?
[18:02] <NigeyS> deflate or burst
[18:02] <navrac_> deflated or burst -
[18:02] <NigeyS> trying to remember how much the balloons weigh
[18:02] <NigeyS> think its 37g
[18:02] <navrac_> seems to be common on two balloon flights - one rubbing against the other
[18:03] <NigeyS> yeah, unless u fill almost to full, even with a tiny payload, after 1 bursts the other wont carry the weight of the 2nd balloon envelope after a burst
[18:04] <NigeyS> just gives a painfully slow drifty descent :/
[18:04] <Bob_G8NSV> decent has slowed up
[18:04] <NigeyS> it will at time, burst balloon will act as a parachute
[18:04] <NigeyS> times*
[18:04] <navrac_> ozzie was 1 balloon 60%? full with a payload of 38g and i think daves is only one AAA more 8g?
[18:05] <NigeyS> 8g for a lithium yup
[18:05] <NigeyS> so say 50gm
[18:05] <NigeyS> u need 80gm of lift to keep it all up after 1 bursts .. cant be done :/
[18:05] <navrac_> max lift on those is 66g
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[18:06] <NigeyS> if you look at the flight altitude graph on the tracker... it hasnt really leveled out to a proper float, which is surprising
[18:06] <Colin-G8TMV> It's bouncing about quite a bit - but that might be jet-wash from Heathrow arrivals/departures
[18:07] <navrac_> batteries are holding up well
[18:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> very weak up here in Yorkshire now
[18:07] <NigeyS> :(
[18:07] <Bob_G8NSV> I was wondering about jet wash / wake vortex, anyone seen such a thing with a flight?
[18:07] <cuddykid> rfm people - do you just send the turn tx command once during setup? or do you toggle it on/off when transmitting?
[18:07] <NigeyS> Bob_G8NSV, interesting question actually
[18:08] <navrac_> still very strong here a good 30db above the noise floor of the receiver
[18:08] <NigeyS> cusf guys might know more about that, theyve got a ton of launches behind them.
[18:08] <Colin-G8TMV> still +12db here in Cambridge
[18:08] <Bob_G8NSV> wake vortex can knock an aircraft out the sky never mind a balloon
[18:08] <navrac_> no - it drifts if you turn it on and off - so just on during setup
[18:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> Payload renamed! $$FUZZ
[18:08] <NigeyS> lol upu
[18:08] <andrew_apex> :D
[18:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> right off to get a chinese bbl
[18:08] <NigeyS> hey andrew :)
[18:09] <andrew_apex> hi NigeyS
[18:09] <cuddykid> navrac: yeah, found that out just :P thanks
[18:09] <NigeyS> chinese.. for #highaltitude upu? :D thats nice of you :)
[18:09] <cuddykid> got it working :D - just need to see if I can get lock with Upu's uBlox :P
[18:09] <navrac_> if you want to runn slowhell or take breaks use the rfm22 lib not the rf22 lib and set the register (07)? between and switch tx off by sending 03 to keep the pll and xtal running
[18:10] <andrew_apex> do we know where daveake is? last reported position was 17:23
[18:10] <jonsowman> it's only about 20 mins away from me at the moment
[18:10] <jonsowman> might go and get it
[18:10] <NigeyS> no, think he said off for a drive
[18:10] <jonsowman> lol
[18:11] <NigeyS> haha got long ladders jon? :p
[18:11] <jonsowman> true, i should perhaps wait for it to land
[18:11] <jonsowman> or shoot it down
[18:11] <NigeyS> ladders made from carbon nanotubes, that'd be ideal!
[18:11] <jonsowman> still at 7dB SNR
[18:11] <jonsowman> on a whip that's not even outside
[18:11] <NigeyS> meh i lost ot here when it swung east a while back :(
[18:12] <NigeyS> it*
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[18:13] <jonsowman> tight receive filters is the way forward
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[18:13] <Colin-G8TMV> still more than an hour till it lands at this rate
[18:14] <Bob_G8NSV> around 1 hour left at this rate
[18:14] <Bob_G8NSV> beat me to it!!!
[18:14] <NigeyS> heh
[18:14] <Colin-G8TMV> :)
[18:14] <NigeyS> unless the 2nd balloon burts
[18:15] <NigeyS> bursts*
[18:15] <Bob_G8NSV> will it turn to follow the M3?
[18:15] <NigeyS> total spelling fail today, sorry!
[18:15] <number10_M0MDB> didnt nitice NigeyS
[18:15] <NigeyS> lol :p
[18:15] <number10_M0MDB> :)
[18:16] <Bob_G8NSV> I was having terrible agro with the autocomplete on my phone earlier it was sending some right garbage, fortunately none obscene!!
[18:16] <NigeyS> haha phones are awful for it!
[18:17] <Bob_G8NSV> it just puts in some real obscure words comprising the letters i tried to type
[18:17] <jonsowman> those two sentences had the same checksum despite different time, lat, long, alt
[18:17] <NigeyS> yup, i swear half the words is suggests are totally made up
[18:17] <jonsowman> should use CRC16
[18:17] <Bob_G8NSV> oh yeah whats the odds of that! 0B
[18:17] <NigeyS> :o
[18:17] <jonsowman> Bob_G8NSV: not as low as it should be
[18:18] <jonsowman> this is why XOR is not very good
[18:18] <Bob_G8NSV> obviously not
[18:18] <jonsowman> CRC16 is much better
[18:18] <Bob_G8NSV> probably low enough for this tho
[18:19] <jonsowman> the problem is more that there's a good chance of getting a checksum pass for an invalid sentence
[18:19] <jonsowman> it is of course better than no checksum however
[18:19] <jonsowman> :)
[18:19] <Bob_G8NSV> yes that must be true
[18:20] <NigeyS> (1)2^5 + (0)2^4 + (0)2^3 + (1)2^2 + (0)2^1 + (1)2^0
[18:20] <NigeyS> yuhuh
[18:20] <NigeyS> makes total sense that
[18:21] <jonsowman> is that XOR NigeyS?
[18:21] <NigeyS> http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath458.htm
[18:21] <NigeyS> apparently not :|
[18:21] <jonsowman> avr-libc has a function for crc16 checkums
[18:21] <jonsowman> in <util/crc16.h>
[18:21] <jonsowman> _crc_xmodem_update()
[18:21] <NigeyS> yup, i always use that, very handy !!!
[18:22] <NigeyS> whats the other faily sane 1 ?
[18:22] <NigeyS> fairly*
[18:22] <jonsowman> well, crc8 i suppose
[18:23] <Colin-G8TMV> just summing and masking is better than nothing
[18:23] <jonsowman> we've had 0x0A about 5 times in the last 20 sentences
[18:23] <jonsowman> Colin-G8TMV: oh definitely
[18:23] <NigeyS> ahh no, it was in you're i saw yesterday, fletchers ?
[18:24] <jonsowman> yeah 16 bit fletcher is okay
[18:24] <jonsowman> not as good as CRC though
[18:24] <jonsowman> and yeah the ublox uses it
[18:24] <priyesh> http://grab.by/cvEQ
[18:24] <NigeyS> read so much ublox stuff yesterday i'm surprised i have a working brain at all today :/
[18:25] <jonsowman> priyesh: ?
[18:25] <jonsowman> NigeyS: i know how you feel
[18:25] <priyesh> wrong window :/
[18:25] <NigeyS> jonsowman, it's not me is it, their docs really arent terribly clear?
[18:25] <jonsowman> they could be better
[18:26] <jonsowman> the problem is that it's such a complex and featureful product
[18:26] <jonsowman> documentation is always going to be hard
[18:26] <navrac_> no they arent - they seem to miss out key bits that they think you should already know
[18:26] <NigeyS> i felt like i was constant being referred to something in another doc that i didnt know existed, and back to the previous etc
[18:26] <jonsowman> navrac_: have you read the protocol spec?
[18:26] <jonsowman> there are literally hundreds of types of sentences etc
[18:27] <jonsowman> NigeyS: yeah absolutely, it could definitely be better put together i think
[18:27] <NigeyS> hundreds and hundreds..and it just never ends..lol
[18:27] <navrac_> yep a few weeks back - helped me sleep in the afternoons
[18:27] <jonsowman> lol
[18:27] <NigeyS> lmao
[18:27] <Colin-G8TMV> Is daveake still around
[18:27] <jonsowman> i think he's driving
[18:28] <NigeyS> now i know what to read on the train to next conference!
[18:28] <Colin-G8TMV> car hsn't moved for ages
[18:28] <navrac_> i decided that in reality the only bit i was interested in was the power saving stuff
[18:28] <NigeyS> by the time i get wherever its being held ill be fluent in nmea, and ubx! lol
[18:28] <jonsowman> navrac_: are you parsing the nmea?
[18:28] <navrac_> and that has one undocumented feature that made it useless unless you know - and jcoxon stumbled across
[18:29] <navrac_> using standard tinygps - I'm lazy
[18:29] <NigeyS> stick with it!!!! stay on the dark side lol
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[18:29] <jonsowman> navrac_: cool ok, just wondering
[18:30] <navrac_> my c++ is too sketchy - now if it was pascal or assembler I'd be happy to
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[18:31] <jonsowman> i'm using the binary protocol on my current flight computer, just wondering how many other people use it
[18:31] <NigeyS> nice to see the wireless working well at home today *sigh*
[18:31] <jonsowman> i think most people stick with nmea
[18:31] <jonsowman> especially with tinygps around
[18:31] <NigeyS> wonder why...
[18:31] <gonzo_> it's a standard
[18:31] <NigeyS> btw jon, that eep file, is that the actual data stored in the eeprom itself ?
[18:31] <jonsowman> yeah
[18:32] <NigeyS> ooo
[18:32] <jonsowman> that's a step response of a gaussian FIR filter
[18:32] <NigeyS> never seen the contents of an eep file before
[18:32] <jonsowman> which is how i switch from one frequency to another, makes the spectrum nice and clean
[18:32] <jonsowman> GFSK
[18:32] <NigeyS> ah ure filter magic ! :D
[18:32] <jonsowman> s/magic/hackery/
[18:33] <NigeyS> heh dark arts, telling ya!
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[18:33] <NigeyS> "somebody answer the phone" how this track ever got released i will never know :/
[18:35] <Bob_G8NSV> cheech and chong "Daves Not Here Man"
[18:35] <Bob_G8NSV> theres a blast from the past
[18:35] <NigeyS> lol
[18:36] <daveake> Home :)
[18:36] <Bob_G8NSV> about to join farnboroughs circuit!
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[18:37] <navrac_> thought youd be driving out to retrieve it
[18:37] <Colin-G8TMV> oops another zero alt
[18:37] <daveake> Hmm is coming down a bit
[18:37] <radicalbiscuit> daveake: are you passing home or are you giving up the chase?
[18:37] <daveake> zero aside
[18:37] <NigeyS> 1 of the ballons has popped
[18:37] <daveake> Yeah looks like it
[18:38] <Bob_G8NSV> dropping like a brick
[18:38] <NigeyS> Colin-G8TMV, interestingly, that has happened at almost the same altitude as last time
[18:38] <daveake> Do we have a landing prediction?
[18:38] <Colin-G8TMV> Hmm.. so it did - but there were 3 occurances on the way up
[18:38] <radicalbiscuit> so is the altitude rate positive when falling?
[18:38] <NigeyS> daveake, farnham maybe.. aldershot.. somewhere in that area
[18:38] <radicalbiscuit> I thought it was opposite! :P
[18:39] <NigeyS> radicalbiscuit, negative when falling
[18:39] <Bob_G8NSV> - is down
[18:39] <daveake> Like near was I was ... :p
[18:39] <NigeyS> Altitude: 3706 m Rate: -1.3 m/s
[18:39] <Colin-G8TMV> oops zero again
[18:39] <NigeyS> daveake, lol u werent far off where it may land
[18:40] <daveake> OK time to put warmer clothes on then get back in car
[18:40] <Morseman_G0DJA> Zero altitude and checksum OK here as well!
[18:40] <radicalbiscuit> Okay, it's just when you said that it was dropping like a brick, it read +3m so it was probably just lag on my part
[18:40] <Colin-G8TMV> daveake: your car is still there :)
[18:40] <NigeyS> he jogged home :D
[18:40] <radicalbiscuit> and now it says high positives again. Does it usually bounce around a lot like this?
[18:40] <Colin-G8TMV> radicalbiscuit: the tracker was/is confused by the errors
[18:40] <radicalbiscuit> I see
[18:40] <daveake> Car upload turned off earlier. Had trouble with that
[18:41] <Colin-G8TMV> it reported one frame of alt=0
[18:41] <NigeyS> still timing out ?
[18:41] <daveake> Yeah there'a a few of those
[18:41] <radicalbiscuit> I'm still hearing it fron a receiver based in Kent! but fading
[18:41] <Bob_G8NSV> dropping here but fldigi still holding out
[18:41] <Bob_G8NSV> 3 db
[18:42] <navrac_> still string here - although its dropped 3db in the last 20mins
[18:42] <Bob_G8NSV> all joking aside probably somewhere near farnborough airport
[18:42] <Colin-G8TMV> no - it turned left to follow the M3
[18:42] <Bob_G8NSV> a sprogrammed!!
[18:43] <Colin-G8TMV> it's obviously doing IFR navigation "I Follow Roads/Railways"
[18:43] <Bob_G8NSV> ha ha!!
[18:43] <r2x0t> lol
[18:43] <radicalbiscuit> XD
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[18:45] <navrac_> looks like hook from the cusf predictor
[18:45] <Bob_G8NSV> descent has slowed?
[18:45] <navrac_> hard to guess the descent rate tho
[18:45] <Colin-G8TMV> it's bouncing quite a bit
[18:46] <Morseman_G0DJA> 217km at 3400m isn't bad I guess but may try to get antenna a bit higher another time
[18:46] <Colin-G8TMV> 3400m is quite high for an antenna ;)
[18:46] <NigeyS> lol
[18:46] <Morseman_G0DJA> Especially as I have slightly higher ground to the south of me
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[18:47] <radicalbiscuit> Now I'm getting packets with only one error or so in them. Impressive
[18:47] <Colin-G8TMV> mines at 40' and seems to be doing ok still
[18:47] <radicalbiscuit> I actually don't know much about the receiver I'm listening to on globaltuners.com. For antenna, it just says: Veritcal :P
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[18:50] <navrac_> fldigi thinks im 5814km away for some reason
[18:50] <jonsowman> 37km :)
[18:50] <radicalbiscuit> yeah, mine lists 5689.7 as the distance
[18:51] <jonsowman> old versions perhaps
[18:51] <navrac_> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=691fca27073deeb4b68ce35162a2e277e6078351
[18:51] <navrac_> based on the descent rate of the last 40mins
[18:51] <daveake> Looking at the alt chart I guess it's go an hour to go before landing?
[18:51] <andrew_apex> ooh, heading my way :)
[18:52] <daveake> OK we're heading out soon
[18:52] Action: andrew_apex wonders whether to get out the yagi...
[18:52] <Bob_G8NSV> maybe its trying for lasham!!
[18:52] <daveake> Well I didn't take one with me but it's in the car now :)
[18:53] <mfa298> If only it would head west a bit more I might get some decent decodes.
[18:53] <daveake> I'll head for Basingstoke as that road is half reasonable
[18:53] <Bob_G8NSV> where are you?
[18:53] <daveake> noth of Newbury
[18:53] <daveake> north
[18:53] <mfa298> I have too much local re-inforced concrete between me and the baloon
[18:54] <Bob_G8NSV> not far then
[18:54] <cuddykid> wooo! GPS lock with Upu's max :D
[18:54] <daveake> No, but futher than if I'd stayed where I was earlier!
[18:54] <cuddykid> radio - check; GPS - check
[18:54] <andrew_apex> right - lets see if I can track for longer than Matt_soton :P. Time to get out the yagi!
[18:54] <Matt_soton> o dear
[18:54] <navrac_> the blue line on spacenear.us is getting close to me - time to play with the filters
[18:54] <daveake> Headed home thinking it was coiming down with the lower temperature. Didn't see the descent curve till I got home (internet dropped out)
[18:55] <Bob_G8NSV> getting the odd red decode now
[18:55] <cuddykid> PBH is heading our way too!
[18:55] <cuddykid> daveake: are you on the way home?
[18:55] <daveake> Am home
[18:55] <daveake> Unfortunately
[18:55] <Bob_G8NSV> I reckon somewhere near Aldershot. As long as its not inside some army base
[18:55] <cuddykid> ohh
[18:55] <daveake> Nice cuppa tho
[18:56] <cuddykid> yeah
[18:56] <daveake> Heading out v soon
[18:56] <cuddykid> daveake: to recover?
[18:56] <daveake> yep
[18:56] <cuddykid> nice!
[18:56] <daveake> Have Yagi Will Travel
[18:56] <cuddykid> GL
[18:56] <NigeyS> remember the torch!
[18:56] <daveake> Got a new one :)
[18:56] <cuddykid> see if you can catch it in the dark!
[18:56] <cuddykid> :P
[18:56] <daveake> ok seeya all
[18:56] <NigeyS> GL ttyl :)
[18:56] <cuddykid> cya
[18:56] <Bob_G8NSV> good luck dave
[18:57] <cuddykid> these ublox's have incredible accuracy
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[18:57] <cuddykid> just hope it avoids the trees
[18:57] <NigeyS> cuddykid, the ublox 6's are awsome little buggers
[18:57] <cuddykid> yep! the chip antennas are also great
[18:57] <NigeyS> yip, got 1 here, seems to work better than the sarantel in some cases
[18:58] <NigeyS> like.. in my fridge! lol
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[18:58] <cuddykid> lol
[18:58] <cuddykid> very pleased with rfm too :D
[18:58] <cuddykid> got the whole pico tracker working!!
[18:59] <NigeyS> not tried 1 yet, we're using ntx2 on swift
[18:59] <NigeyS> oh good stuff!
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[19:01] <Bob_G8NSV> anyone else looking at sub 2m sized solar balloons? i am working on a design
[19:03] <griffonbot> Received email: "[UKHAS] Solar balloon volume query"
[19:04] <Bob_G8NSV> s/n -1 and still holding on
[19:05] <andrew_apex> Matt_soton: daveake: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11076252/IMG_20120324_190306.jpg
[19:05] <jonsowman> :D
[19:05] <jonsowman> nice
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[19:05] <Matt_soton> ill cycle past your house and nick it :P
[19:05] <Matt_soton> and put it ontop of engineering :P
[19:05] <andrew_apex> :P
[19:05] <Bob_G8NSV> just the donkeys!!
[19:06] <navrac_> were entering the drifty temperature inversion range of the rfm now
[19:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> whats current dial ?
[19:07] <jonsowman> 434.10042
[19:07] <navrac_> my dials out of calibration at the moment
[19:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> gone from here
[19:07] Nick change: Upu_2E0UPU -> Upu
[19:08] <navrac_> im impressed with this funcube - still good clean signals and its not as if im in a good location
[19:09] <Upu> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=7c911cd335cba56c311ecab3c6d5602cac9a668d
[19:09] <Bob_G8NSV> I'm well impressed with mine
[19:09] <Bob_G8NSV> when did yours arrive
[19:09] <jonsowman> most failed decodes have been missing the first $
[19:09] <navrac_> first time ive used it for tracking- i got it on wed.
[19:10] <Bob_G8NSV> mine arrived thurs!
[19:10] <navrac_> just need to get fldigi to autotune it and ill be redundant
[19:10] <Bob_G8NSV> S373
[19:10] <Colin-G8TMV> navrac_: I haven't touched my 817 for hours
[19:10] <navrac_> 373 - mines 5167
[19:11] <cuddykid> Bob_G8NSV: yes - I'm looking at solar balloons! Probably going to stick the pico tracker underneath one in the next few weeks :D
[19:11] <navrac_> im using hdsdr - what are you using?
[19:11] <Bob_G8NSV> Im looking at envelopes within the 2m get out
[19:11] <Bob_G8NSV> SDR-radio at moment
[19:12] <Bob_G8NSV> it has full support for funcube built in same as hdsdr with dll
[19:12] <navrac_> i tried that - quite nice but ive stuck with hdsdr - sdr radio worked but there was something i didnt like - but cant remember what
[19:13] <Bob_G8NSV> I will give hdsdr a go tom and compare them at work
[19:13] <cuddykid> ahhhhhhh - stoke, man city are 1-1 and I have a free £10 bet that will pay £60 if that is the end result!
[19:13] <cuddykid> 11mins left
[19:14] <Bob_G8NSV> cuddykid I am looking at a transparent envelope with heat gathering panels inside, supposed to be more efficient
[19:14] <andrew_apex> I'm gonna go angle my yagi down
[19:14] <Bob_G8NSV> still hanging on here
[19:15] <cuddykid> oh nice Bob_G8NSV - if you get anything made within the next few weeks and it works ok, send one over and I'll stick the tracker under it :)
[19:15] <navrac_> likewise still 100% decodes despite being out of los according to spacenear
[19:15] <andrew_apex> the yagi is now pointing right into the front room of the house opposite...
[19:16] <NigeyS> thats gonna look dodgy lol
[19:16] <Bob_G8NSV> going for an inverted pyramid, max volume and easy to cut and assemble
[19:17] <andrew_apex> NigeyS: they're watching out of the window :P
[19:17] <NigeyS> haha give them a wave
[19:17] <andrew_apex> :D
[19:17] <NigeyS> tell them you work for tv licensing lols
[19:17] <jonsowman> right that's all from me, off out for dinner. bbl.
[19:17] <andrew_apex> haha
[19:17] <NigeyS> jonsowman, enjoy dinner Jon, ttyl :)
[19:18] <Bob_G8NSV> enjoy!!
[19:19] Action: Colin-G8TMV is still seeing +10db
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[19:20] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave Curtis "[UKHAS] Re: Lens in Payload hole or just a hole?"
[19:21] <andrew_apex> still 16db above the noise floor :D
[19:21] <cuddykid> 2 mins away from winning £60!!!
[19:21] <navrac_> getting 200km range at 2000m - I'm happy
[19:21] <andrew_apex> decent!
[19:21] <Bob_G8NSV> mine looks about 8 if scale can be believed, will check that at work tom
[19:22] <Bob_G8NSV> superb these fcd's
[19:23] <cuddykid> extra time - dun dun - never ever been this into a football match before lol
[19:23] <Bob_G8NSV> I just need to sort out a filter for 137 Mhz some horrid pagers very close to me
[19:24] <andrew_apex> navrac_: are you using a collinear?
[19:24] <navrac_> I'm loosing it - now
[19:25] <navrac_> yep an x50 on a pole
[19:25] <andrew_apex> very nice :)
[19:25] <navrac_> but im in a valley so i thought id have lost it ages ago
[19:26] <navrac_> yep it went really quickly
[19:27] <andrew_apex> Colin-G8TMV: you're furthest now - what's your setup?
[19:27] <Bob_G8NSV> still hanging in there here
[19:27] <Colin-G8TMV> W2000 colinear on a 40' mast
[19:27] <andrew_apex> whoa :) 40' is big :)
[19:27] <Colin-G8TMV> 817, USB SignaLink
[19:28] <Colin-G8TMV> it's a SCAM-12
[19:28] <andrew_apex> have you got a masthead preamp? or just thick coax?
[19:28] <Bob_G8NSV> Heliax is the stuff
[19:28] <Colin-G8TMV> nope and only RG58 coax, it's a temp lash-up until I can get the colinear on the end of the house
[19:28] <Bob_G8NSV> 58!!
[19:29] <Colin-G8TMV> yup, from my junk box
[19:29] <navrac_> i went for lrm400 - £1.20 a metre but worth it
[19:29] <Colin-G8TMV> I've got a brand new 100m reel of RG213 for the real installation
[19:29] <Colin-G8TMV> height is *everything* at UHF
[19:30] <Bob_G8NSV> I have a few bits of re-claimed cellflex and a handfull of connectors for it, might try and use it for my balloon tracking antenna here
[19:30] <andrew_apex> lost it :(
[19:30] <cuddykid> £60 in the bag!
[19:30] <cuddykid> :D
[19:30] <andrew_apex> haha
[19:30] <NigeyS> hah nice 1 cuddykid !
[19:30] <navrac_> lol
[19:31] <cuddykid> first bet ever lol
[19:31] <Colin-G8TMV> Hmm... I'm down to +2db
[19:31] <cuddykid> I only did it because there was a £10 free bet going.. haha
[19:31] <Colin-G8TMV> the hill to the south of me doesn't help
[19:31] <cuddykid> good day: pico tracker working, and bet payed off :P
[19:32] <andrew_apex> back to the collinear, and it's back strong!!
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[19:32] <Bob_G8NSV> I have a hill to my north that is a pain, especially as it has 2 big masts full in QRM generators on it!!
[19:32] <Colin-G8TMV> 0db
[19:32] <Colin-G8TMV> still all green decodes
[19:33] <Bob_G8NSV> miles to go yet then im down to -4 -5
[19:33] <andrew_apex> 18db :P
[19:33] <Bob_G8NSV> and every other a red one
[19:34] <andrew_apex> time to bring in the yagi :P
[19:34] <Colin-G8TMV> I'm still inside the blue circle too
[19:35] <Colin-G8TMV> Ah, fallen suddenly to -6db and gone all red
[19:36] <Bob_G8NSV> loads of errors here now
[19:36] <Colin-G8TMV> Nope just vannished - can't hear it at all
[19:38] <pjm__> it seems to have dropped 100hz, now 434100USB exactly
[19:38] <Colin-G8TMV> went from perfect copy to nothing in just a couple of mins
[19:40] <Matt_soton> 20dB SNR still
[19:40] <andrew_apex> so is anyone going to retrieve this?
[19:41] <Colin-G8TMV> Yup, Dave's on his way by car
[19:41] <Bob_G8NSV> i am using a 144mhz antenna!!
[19:41] <andrew_apex> good to hear :D
[19:41] <Bob_G8NSV> the uhf one is u/s
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[19:41] <Colin-G8TMV> Bob_G8NSV: it's just acting as a triple stack on 70cms
[19:42] <Bob_G8NSV> quite likely its a slim jim in the attic dangling from the apex. The 70cm one has probably fallen down and is lying on top of the ceiling!
[19:42] <Bob_G8NSV> the drawing pin will have come out again!!
[19:42] <Adam___> It always says Adam, Adam_ and Adam__ are taken. I have never seen them on the lists. Freenode lies!
[19:43] <Colin-G8TMV> Bob_G8NSV: it just goes to prove - you need a bigger hammer (and a bigger nail)
[19:43] <Bob_G8NSV> Must fetch this brute of a collinear home from work. cant put on much of a mast tho!!
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[19:44] <Bob_G8NSV> its still trying to copy
[19:44] <Bob_G8NSV> way too many erroras now
[19:44] <Bob_G8NSV> like my typing!!
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[19:44] <andrew_apex> s/n dropping - 14 now
[19:45] <Bob_G8NSV> gone just random decodes now cant hear it in phones
[19:45] <Bob_G8NSV> can just see a shadow on the waterfall to tell me theres something just about there
[19:46] Action: Colin-G8TMV nods, if it was psk you'd still be getting decodes
[19:46] <Bob_G8NSV> indeed!!
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[19:46] <Bob_G8NSV> ive had hf qsos from signals I couldnt even see!!
[19:46] <Colin-G8TMV> I've had psk qso's on HF where I couldn't see anything in the waterfall noise
[19:47] <Bob_G8NSV> spooky!
[19:47] <Bob_G8NSV> JT65 is the one for that, sub noise capability very spooky that is
[19:47] <Colin-G8TMV> right - about 15 mins to touchdown
[19:48] <Bob_G8NSV> very slow tho and needs gps locked clock
[19:48] <Bob_G8NSV> still see a trace
[19:48] <Bob_G8NSV> shame there is not a PSK module we could use
[19:49] <r2x0t> RFM22b can do GMSK, that is good enough
[19:49] <andrew_apex> under 1km alt :)
[19:49] <r2x0t> add some ECC coding and it will be very usable
[19:49] <Bob_G8NSV> picking up speed, dont land in basingstoke!!
[19:49] <Bob_G8NSV> Farliegh Wallop I reckon!!!
[19:50] <Colin-G8TMV> Ah, and chase car updated
[19:50] <andrew_apex> awesome :D
[19:50] <Bob_G8NSV> still see a shadow on the waterfall
[19:50] <r2x0t> next we need live camera from chase car :)
[19:50] <pjm__> i can still just see it in fft
[19:51] <Bob_G8NSV> yep if only we had psk
[19:51] <Bob_G8NSV> if he opens the sunroof he might be able to grab it!!
[19:52] <LazyL_M0LEP> Right on the limit here
[19:52] <gonzo_> there was that g4jnt writeup in radcomic, about IQ modulating qrp tx, which was aimed at the HAB world
[19:52] <LazyL_M0LEP> Getting the occasional line
[19:52] <andrew_apex> it's going to be a very soft landing
[19:53] <pjm__> what size is the chute on this one?
[19:53] <Colin-G8TMV> doesn't have one
[19:53] <Bob_G8NSV> yes but there are lots of places nearby called something wood
[19:53] <Bob_G8NSV> or cpse even
[19:54] <Matt_soton> still 23dB snr here
[19:54] <LazyL_M0LEP> Think that's likely it fromme...
[19:55] <Bob_G8NSV> still 2 shadows exactly the right spacing on my waterfall which do dissapear asnd re appear when i disconnect the antenna
[19:55] <pjm__> how does it descend in a controlled manner with no chute? another smaller balloon?
[19:56] <Matt_soton> is dave running underneith it, arms outstretched?
[19:56] <Bob_G8NSV> there wre 2 balloons
[19:56] <pjm__> ahh ok thanks
[19:56] <Colin-G8TMV> pjm__: it was two foil balloons - one has deflated
[19:56] <LazyL_M0LEP> Heh. I wondred who was at 0,0
[19:56] <pjm__> http://pjm.dyndns.org/rs/1.jpg this is a pic of a sonde that landed in my garden from larkhill, it has a chute about 1m diameter
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[19:57] <Bob_G8NSV> any good bits in it!!
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[19:57] <pjm__> yeah 3 X aa batteries
[19:57] <r2x0t> lol
[19:57] <priyesh> 56km away and 550m altitude and still decoding
[19:57] <Bob_G8NSV> still got those traces
[19:57] <Graham_G3VZV> still seeing the waterfall trace in Milton keynes
[19:57] <r2x0t> also heading to the woods
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[19:58] <Bob_G8NSV> hen wood a big bugger as well
[19:58] <F5MVO> pjm, its RS92SGP ?
[19:58] <pjm__> one sec, will look, another pic http://pjm.dyndns.org/rs/3.jpg
[19:58] <HixPad> daveake: Hunted out some trees again I see :)
[19:59] <pjm__> rs92-sgpa it says on it
[19:59] <Bob_G8NSV> Farleigh Wallop!
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[20:00] <NigeyS> daveake, you are a tree magnet! lol
[20:00] <F5MVO> YES FROM lARKILL
[20:00] <andrew_apex> gone.
[20:00] <Graham_G3VZV> pjm_ smart antenna
[20:01] <r2x0t> WX sondes are fun to track when there are no HAB baloons in the air
[20:01] <pjm__> it have a 1/4 wave for 404 and a GPS rx antenna + the met instruments
[20:01] <F5MVO> with (QFHA=Quadrifilar Helix Antenna
[20:01] <Bob_G8NSV> no trace now
[20:02] <Morseman_G0DJA> Do they want them back if you find them?
[20:02] <Bob_G8NSV> QFHA's brilliant things
[20:02] <gonzo_> lost it here now
[20:02] <gonzo_> trace but no mkore decodes
[20:02] <Matt_soton> 22dB SNR still
[20:02] <fsphil> looks like it might clear that forest
[20:02] <pjm__> it says u can chuck it in the bin, or phone 0870 900 0100 for further info on sondes
[20:02] <LazyL_M0LEP> A whole line of copses for it to find a tree in...
[20:02] <Colin-G8TMV> How high is the ground there?
[20:02] <Morseman_G0DJA> Will it make the B3046?
[20:03] <pjm__> the label says larkhill 03743 and 'caution mildly acidic battery'
[20:03] <Bob_G8NSV> theres one called dopers copse!!
[20:03] <Bob_G8NSV> full of kids in hoodies
[20:03] <priyesh> and gone
[20:03] <F5MVO> 9v battery
[20:04] <gonzo_> sondes are dangerous if swallowed in large numbers
[20:04] <Morseman_G0DJA> Another false zero?
[20:04] <r2x0t> yes
[20:04] <r2x0t> still flying
[20:04] <LazyL_M0LEP> Contour says 200 metres there...
[20:04] <nickle> Hatch Warren by the looks of it
[20:04] <fsphil> the website's confused by the slow ascent :)
[20:04] <F5MVO> 03743 its wmo number
[20:05] <Bob_G8NSV> still going please make the fields!!
[20:05] <fsphil> descent rate slowing
[20:05] <Matt_soton> 224m
[20:05] <fsphil> and cleared the trees
[20:05] <Bob_G8NSV> in the clear!!
[20:05] <fsphil> for now
[20:05] <Bob_G8NSV> pessimist!!
[20:06] <Matt_soton> down
[20:06] <Matt_soton> signals gone
[20:06] <mfa298> think i've lost it now. was getting a lot of partial decodes and a few good ones until just now
[20:06] <fsphil> the buzz has landed!
[20:07] <pjm__> F5MVO ah yes re the wmo - the sonde actually nearly hit my missus on the head, she was in the garden doing stuff and heard a clonk nearby and it was the sonde TX hitting a gnome ;-)
[20:07] <fsphil> now lets just hope it stays there until dave gets to it
[20:07] <Bob_G8NSV> looks like a field a few yards from the road!!
[20:08] <Bob_G8NSV> a nice big flat field according to google earth
[20:08] <Matt_soton> how high is the ground tehre, the last atitude was 205m but the packet was cut off
[20:08] <LazyL_M0LEP> 1bout 180 metres from the contour map...
[20:08] <fsphil> there's a line of trees blocking entrance fro the road
[20:08] <Matt_soton> 51.22231,-1.09278 last position
[20:09] <Colin-G8TMV> I hate to say this but google earth shows tall trees both sides of that lane
[20:09] <Matt_soton> Colin-G8TMV: cleared them http://g.co/maps/x65dh
[20:10] <Bob_G8NSV> it does but lasst position puts it 50m in field hope its right they do look tall!
[20:10] <r2x0t> it must be further on away on the field
[20:10] <r2x0t> you would see it on a FFT if it was on tree
[20:10] <Colin-G8TMV> Matt_soton: the registration of the Google photos is not that good
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[20:10] <Matt_soton> that position on google maps was the last gps position, but not uploaded because it was cut off
[20:10] <Morseman_G0DJA> Looks like a gate in bottom right corner of the field though
[20:11] <number10_M0MDB> last position ground height 184m
[20:11] <fsphil> ah, missed the gate
[20:11] <Bob_G8NSV> marvelous thing google earth!
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[20:11] <HixPad> Streetview even better
[20:12] <navrac> just come back on - can i have the google maps link
[20:12] <navrac> last i saw it was just passing the woods
[20:13] <cuddykid> yet another fantastic deal from my notification system! -> http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/1-week-salou-spain-inc-flight-hotel-transfers-80-95-pp-1176437
[20:13] <cuddykid> very tempted..
[20:13] Nick change: number10_M0MDB -> number10
[20:13] <Laurenceb_> stop spamming
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[20:14] <cuddykid> lol
[20:14] Nick change: cuddykid -> spamalot
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[20:14] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Lens in Payload hole or just a hole?"
[20:14] <gonzo_> the last fix was over an ASL of 180mtrs, so only 50ish mtrs above ground
[20:14] <spamalot> tracker still loading here
[20:15] <Colin-G8TMV> cuddykid - it's not funny - some people like the retrieve crew are on a bandwidth restricted connection
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[20:15] <Laurenceb_> sunset for PBH soon
[20:15] <Laurenceb_> shoulsd be exciting
[20:15] <spamalot> Colin-G8TMV: but they wouldn't open it :P
[20:16] <Colin-G8TMV> just the link is big enough to annoy them
[20:16] Nick change: spamalot -> cuddykid
[20:16] <cuddykid> ahh ok
[20:16] <Bob_G8NSV> chase car not updated for a while
[20:16] <Colin-G8TMV> I was just thinking that
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[20:17] <Matt_soton> and ASTRA returns to tracking satellites
[20:17] <Colin-G8TMV> might be because of trees
[20:17] <Bob_G8NSV> or banjo playing hillbillies
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[20:19] <F5MVO> good flight, see you later
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[20:19] <Bob_G8NSV> goodnight
[20:20] <Bob_G8NSV> see you tom au revoir!
[20:20] <F5MVO> goodnight
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[20:23] <number10> I hope daveake is OK, chase car signal has stopped at bend on road
[20:23] <jcoxon> Update?
[20:24] <navrac> its landed in a field
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[20:24] <jcoxon> Float?
[20:24] <navrac> looks like the two balloon curse again
[20:24] <LazyL_M0LEP> Chase car's signal has been quite intermittent
[20:24] <WillDuckworth> oooh it went in the end then?
[20:24] <WillDuckworth> :)
[20:25] <navrac> it seemed to get quite high - then slowly drop as the sun weakened - but then the descent rate suddenly picked up
[20:25] <LazyL_M0LEP> Buzz the Second went. Buzz the First is stuck in a tree.
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[20:25] <WillDuckworth> cool
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[20:26] <Colin-G8TMV> Right I'm going to do some more tracking... but this tome of food
[20:26] <Colin-G8TMV> s/tome/time/
[20:26] <futurity> Hi is there any chance of PBH reaching Europe and if so, is there an ETA?
[20:27] <NigeyS> i think they have a chance for europe, eta was about 100 hours iirc
[20:27] <futurity> Colin: sorry i missed tracking your launch. Did you find the payload?
[20:28] <futurity> NigeyS: so around 03:00 UK time?
[20:28] <NigeyS> not sure, cant remember when they launched tbh
[20:29] <futurity> Looks like there was a date / time issue on the tracker
[20:30] <NigeyS> eek
[20:30] <futurity> it was already at 32k, when the first time reading of 10:14 on the 24th was recorded
[20:30] <futurity> that was just past New York, so it had gone a long way before then
[20:30] <futurity> its gone about 4 times that distance since
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[20:34] <Bob_G8NSV> must be a bad signal; area no movement of chase car
[20:38] <NSS-WB9SBD> Bill, (ELK) How much longer do you think after sundown at the surface will sundown at te balloon happen?
[20:39] <andrew_apex> NSS-WB9SBD: I seem to remember about 20 minutes at 25km altitude
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[20:43] <NSS-WB9SBD> I just ran an astronomy program and at 35K it is 30 minutes.
[20:43] <number10> buzz position updated, looks like daveake is receiving
[20:43] <fsphil> just spotted that
[20:43] <fsphil> hasn't moved too far
[20:44] <fsphil> daveake not far now
[20:45] <Matt_soton> i must have got data until a couple of meters above the ground by looks of things
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[20:46] <number10> I can just imagine him in the field with yagi, scanner and tourch
[20:46] <gonzo_> yep, 10mtrs blow ground level! Must have been a heavy landing
[20:46] <LazyL_M0LEP> Hmmm... A shiney foil balloon shouldn't be too hard to spot, just so long as it's not up a tree...
[20:47] <Morseman_G0DJA> Don't forget to put your clocks on an hour for BST in the morning...
[20:47] <andrew_apex> or you'll miss the SHARP launch :P
[20:47] <LazyL_M0LEP> Ugh. Blotherin Silly Time.
[20:47] <Morseman_G0DJA> That's at 11:00 GMT so 12:00 BST then?
[20:48] <andrew_apex> no idea :P HAB time is +-6 hours anyway
[20:48] <fsphil> noooo silly daylight savings time
[20:49] <gonzo_> only ever + hours for HABs
[20:49] <NigeyS> meh my birthday tomorrow and what do i get , an hour of it stolen! pfffff
[20:49] <Morseman_G0DJA> LazyL_M0LEP there are those who want us to stay on British Silly Time
[20:49] <LazyL_M0LEP> There's a monumental sundial memorial to Willett in the woods nearby. It's got "I" at the noon position. It would be very satisfying to blow it up as the clocks change.
[20:50] Action: fsphil posts NigeyS a birthday jaffacake
[20:50] <Morseman_G0DJA> NigeyS there were riots when they adjusted by a few days - people thought the government had shortened their lives!
[20:50] <NigeyS> haha you star, thanks phil!
[20:50] <Bob_G8NSV> up at 6 (would have been 5) for work tom :( never mind get to use the decent antenna for SHARP!! :)
[20:50] <NigeyS> lol Morseman_G0DJA !!
[20:50] <LazyL_M0LEP> Oh, I couldn't care what timezone the country stuck on, just so lng as it stuck on in ALL YEAR THROUGH.
[20:50] <LazyL_M0LEP> It's the twice-yearly changing that's utterly stupid.
[20:51] <fsphil> yea
[20:51] <Bob_G8NSV> I have to use Zulu time (GMT) at work
[20:51] <gonzo_> should insist on GMT world wide
[20:52] <Morseman_G0DJA> My dad could remember double summer time!
[20:52] <Bob_G8NSV> great idea!
[20:52] <Bob_G8NSV> some twit was suggesting they bring that back
[20:52] <Morseman_G0DJA> I can't say it bothers me now that don't have to keep a log book now
[20:53] <Morseman_G0DJA> Every so often some safety campaigners have a go but my answer is that probably the people saved at one end of the day will get themselves killed at the other
[20:53] <Bob_G8NSV> well chaps I'm off to the pub for a swift couple then off to bed see you all Tom
[20:53] <Morseman_G0DJA> Loads of cyclist round here in dark clothes and no lights in country lanes
[20:54] <Bob_G8NSV> bicycle ninjas!!
[20:54] <Bob_G8NSV> we have them round here too
[20:54] <Morseman_G0DJA> Plus the loonies on the Motorway this morning in the fog with no lights on
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[20:54] <cuddykid> anyone heard anything?
[20:55] <gonzo_> there are updates coming in only a fewsec ago
[20:55] <gonzo_> so recon dave is in the field
[20:56] <gonzo_> secs=mins
[20:56] <Bob_G8NSV> cheers all It's beer o'clock!! :)
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[20:57] <andrew_apex> I think he left the handbrake off - his car's moving at 0.2m/s
[20:57] <andrew_apex> 0.1lm/h, even...
[20:57] <gonzo_> continental drift?
[20:58] <Morseman_G0DJA> I guess that's GPS drift but seems a long way from the field to be the final stopping point?
[21:01] <HixPad> gonzo_: :P
[21:03] <andrew_apex> wonder how dave is doing :)
[21:03] <Morseman_G0DJA> Night field trip?
[21:04] <Morseman_G0DJA> Anyone trying to track PBH?
[21:05] <andrew_apex> how are they making PBH float?
[21:06] <Morseman_G0DJA> Think there's 2 HF transmitters but not sure what mode they are using
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[21:07] <Morseman_G0DJA> I'll have to look back through the emails and see if it's worth having a listen
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander_> hello
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander_> Upu, got your letter
[21:09] <Morseman_G0DJA> Lunar_Lander I think Upu is away from keys
[21:12] <NSS-WB9SBD> PBH is a 56K zero pressure baloon
[21:12] <radicalbiscuit> I'm trying to find PBH via a globaltuners.com receiver in Nova Scotia
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander_> don't tell me PBH won again?
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[21:14] <Laurenceb_> PBH is using HF?
[21:14] <Laurenceb_> i thought it was spot or something from the range
[21:15] <Laurenceb_> itll be hitting sunset soon, should be fun
[21:16] <fsphil> you'd think they'd use spot with the budget they have
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[21:24] <Lunar_Lander_> XD!!
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander_> OHH DeLorean!
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander_> hello dmc_
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[21:25] <Lunar_Lander_> XD
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[21:25] <Lunar_Lander_> hello fsphil
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[21:37] <Morseman_G0DJA> PBH = N2XE CW telemetry beacons on 7.1023 and 10.166MHz plus APRS on 144.39 callsign KD2AUD
[21:37] <Morseman_G0DJA> sorry 10.1466MHz
[21:38] <fsphil> are you hearing it?
[21:38] <fsphil> hullo Lunar_Lander_
[21:38] <Morseman_G0DJA> Not tried yet - just went upstairs to look for the info ;-)
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander_> fsphil, I got my audio wire and stabo receiver back!!
[21:39] <Morseman_G0DJA> Might set the APRS up but thyat's not a 'normal' APRS freq in UK/EU
[21:39] <Colin-G8TMV> no, it's the us one
[21:39] <Morseman_G0DJA> I know ;-)
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[21:40] <Morseman_G0DJA> I've done enough APRS in the past LOL
[21:41] <Morseman_G0DJA> I even used DOS_APRS with someone using 'normal' packet to test it out in the UK before it was even on the radar - got the usual "It's immoral, It's illegal and it makes you fat" responses from the usual barrack room lawyers as well...
[21:42] <Morseman_G0DJA> Seems to be a standard responce from some people to anything new or experimental, which is strange given the hobby is supposed to be about experimenting...
[21:42] <fsphil> yea that still happens
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[21:43] <Morseman_G0DJA> Even AX:25 was said to be an 'illegal cypher' when 1st mooted in Amateur mags...
[21:44] <Morseman_G0DJA> There, you've got me started again...
[21:48] Action: LazyL_M0LEP whispers something back-handed about D-Star ... ;)
[21:48] <Colin-G8TMV> lol
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander_> fsphil, I got my audio wire and stabo receiver back!!
[21:48] Nick change: LazyL_M0LEP -> LazyLeopard
[21:48] <Colin-G8TMV> all this fancy stuff happened while I was out of the hobby for 15 years
[21:50] <Morseman_G0DJA> LazyL_M0LEP D-Star is 'OK' as far as it goes but after seeing it once I decided wasn't my cup-of-tea so leave it to those who like it and want to use it
[21:50] <Morseman_G0DJA> And I was able to see it at Dayton where there was a reasonable network. LOL
[21:50] <Colin-G8TMV> Isn't the argument with D-Dstar about wether the codec is really open or not?
[21:51] <fsphil> the codec is very closed
[21:51] Action: Colin-G8TMV nods - and some say that = encryption
[21:51] <Morseman_G0DJA> It's Icom or a dongle as far as I can see?
[21:51] <Morseman_G0DJA> Yaesu rumoured to be developing their own system as well
[21:52] <Colin-G8TMV> and didn't Yaesu just announce a competing system?
[21:52] <fsphil> codec2 has a lot of potential
[21:52] <Morseman_G0DJA> encyption only if "no one" else - in D-Star case I bet 'the authorities' can receive it...
[21:53] <Morseman_G0DJA> Anyway, new licence doesn't even mention that cr.... stuff anymore
[21:54] <Morseman_G0DJA> Always thought it was people who didn't like the idea of something just imposing their will on others (rather than anyone in real authority) anyway
[21:54] <Morseman_G0DJA> Like the old chestnut over 10M downlinks from satellites...
[21:55] <Colin-G8TMV> you mean so that the poor klass-b's shouldn't use them
[21:57] <Morseman_G0DJA> That's the one - complete farce and in the end no rules were changed but it was 'clarified' that there was no problem for the authorities, just a lot of bluster from some who thought they would stop other people experimenting...
[21:58] <Colin-G8TMV> well there were some klass-As that wouldn't talk to us poor Jaits even if we answered a cQ
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[22:00] <fsphil> yikes
[22:01] <Morseman_G0DJA> I had one loony phone me up on about Novices being able to use 10W on 10GHz and wasn't best pleased when I told him my opinion was that anyone with the nouce to put a 10W system together probably also knew about how to use it safely...
[22:02] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Lens in Payload hole or just a hole?"
[22:02] <Morseman_G0DJA> Why he called me I'll never know as I was just an ordinary Amateur myself and in no way able to influence anything anyway...
[22:03] <Colin-G8TMV> Morseman_G0DJA: actually I doubt if there is any comercial gear that is 10W for 10G and Foundation calls are not allowed to build transmitters
[22:03] <Colin-G8TMV> not sure what the rules say about buying home-brew kit though
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[22:04] <Morseman_G0DJA> Colin-G8TMV I have 5W in an 'off the shelf' system...
[22:04] <fsphil> foundation users are not allowed on 10ghz :)
[22:05] <Morseman_G0DJA> They used to be - When it was called Novice
[22:05] <fsphil> ah
[22:08] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Lens in Payload hole or just a hole?"
[22:11] <Upu> anyone heard from daveake ?
[22:12] <Morseman_G0DJA> Here you go - Doe ready built transverters and PAs up to 45W on 10GHz and other uWave bands - no building just plug it all together like a transverter http://www.kuhne-electronic.de/en/home/transverter.html
[22:13] <Morseman_G0DJA> Mine is this one, plus a 5W PA http://www.kuhne-electronic.de/en/products/transverter/mku-10-g3-432.html
[22:14] <number10> nothing Upu, he obviously got close to the payload as he has uploaded a fix from ground position
[22:14] <Upu> yeah
[22:14] <Upu> bit odd
[22:14] <Upu> anyone got his mobile number ?
[22:15] <number10> maybe he has just decided to go home and pick up tomorrow
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[22:17] <Morseman_G0DJA> Unless it is in the trees and needs daylight to retrieve safely?
[22:17] <Upu> just unusual he's not updated on here
[22:17] <Upu> best walk dog bbs
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[22:19] <jcoxon> evening all
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander_> can somone explain why in the world He sales will be banned?
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander_> He=helium
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[22:19] <fsphil> it won't be
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander_> good
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander_> but it was on BBC2?
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander_> hi Udin
[22:20] <fsphil> it's just going to get massively expensive
[22:20] <Udin_SHARP> Good evening
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander_> yes
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[22:21] <Morseman_G0DJA> Lunar_Landar Usual Media hype over minor problem. Some market restriction in supply will maybe mean an increase in price so people in press go over deep end
[22:22] <jcoxon> pbh still running along
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[22:23] <Morseman_G0DJA> Typical journalist practice - Phone someone and say "What you need is about to be banned/be expensive, what's your view?" and then publish this "story" as truth
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[22:24] <daveake> I'm home
[22:24] <daveake> AND SO IS BUZZ :-)
[22:24] <andrew_apex> hooooooray!!!!!!!!
[22:24] <LazyLeopard> Not stuck in a tree then. ;)
[22:24] <fsphil> woo-hoo!
[22:25] <Morseman_G0DJA> The other angle was the litter one, reports of balloons being left on beaches but since most people want to get their gear back that's another red herring as well IMO
[22:25] <daveake> Lots of fields and not much in the way of internet coverage
[22:25] <fsphil> or you brought a tree home
[22:25] <daveake> LOL
[22:25] <daveake> No that one's probably still up there
[22:25] <daveake> Middle of a field
[22:25] <Colin-G8TMV> daveake: and there wasn't a bull in it?
[22:25] <Morseman_G0DJA> Well done daveake we all were wondering if you were climbing trees...
[22:25] <jcoxon> hey WB8ELK
[22:25] <daveake> Not that I noticed
[22:26] <daveake> Nah, was having a lot of trouble getting any mapping data online
[22:26] <Lunar_Lander_> hello WB8ELK
[22:26] <daveake> In the end tried all the roads in the area still we started hearing rtty
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[22:27] <daveake> Then went to where the signal seemed to be stronger
[22:27] <Morseman_G0DJA> No G3 down that country lane then? Well I never would have thought ;-)
[22:27] <jcoxon> daveake, when you get a moment (ay time really) could you add your flight to here: http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/projects:microballoons:data
[22:27] <daveake> Till we goa decode. Then put the position into my phone and got as close as we could in the car
[22:27] <daveake> jcoxon Sure, not seen that page before :)
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[22:28] <daveake> The hardware demons were out in force today. Last one was my phone not havig enough charge to run the flash to take a photo of the payload in the field
[22:28] <number10> well, done daveake
[22:29] <daveake> And got job I bought a new big torch yesterday 'cos my old one last 2 minutes
[22:29] <Morseman_G0DJA> I cheat - My D90 goes almost everywhere with me in those situations...
[22:29] <Upu> hey daveake was getting concerned thought you'd been kidnapped by a farmer or something :)
[22:29] <daveake> number10 Your text came through as we got home :)
[22:29] <daveake> lol
[22:29] <number10> lol, we were getting worried
[22:29] <daveake> No, but we did get a policeman ask what we were doing - he seemed happy enough -
[22:30] <Morseman_G0DJA> Big tourches are always worth the investment, along with spare batteries for them...
[22:30] <andrew_apex> thanks for reminding me! got to charge torch batteries for tomorrow's launch :D
[22:30] <daveake> - then a security guy tuened up 5-10 mins later and said "Oh, are you the ones chasing a balloon?" :)
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander_> hello daveake
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander_> XD!
[22:30] <daveake> lo ll
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander_> did you fly today?
[22:30] <daveake> Tried a few times to get on IRC with no joy
[22:31] <daveake> Twice LL
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander_> cool
[22:31] <Morseman_G0DJA> Most Police/Security are OK as long as you have a reasonable story
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[22:31] <daveake> So in the end, after collecting Buzz, we just headed home
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander_> whas that the thread about the BBC2 helium ban?
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[22:31] <Lunar_Lander_> in the mailing list
[22:31] <gonzo_> (always carry a dog lead when out doing something you probably shouldn't)
[22:32] <Upu> lol
[22:32] <daveake> Nearly decided to go back in the light, but the field it was in was easily accessible
[22:32] <Upu> fenton!
[22:32] <number10> how come security in the middle of fields. was it the big flood light tourch that attracted them?
[22:32] <daveake> lol Upu
[22:32] <Morseman_G0DJA> And shout "here rover, rover, where did you get to?"
[22:32] <daveake> No, on the road when we were trying to figure out which field
[22:32] Nick change: WhiteStarMC-46 -> Zuph
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[22:32] <daveake> jcoxon 1 balloon burst 1 still inflated
[22:33] <Upu> so Buzz can fly again next Sat ?
[22:33] <daveake> Yep
[22:33] <Upu> cool, predictions aren't looking bad
[22:33] <daveake> Excellent
[22:33] <Upu> go have a whisky
[22:33] <daveake> I learnt a lot about the in-car setup. Several things to improve.
[22:34] <Morseman_G0DJA> Have to say that Buzz seemed the most stable TX I've seen so far, but then again it didn't go as high as some do
[22:34] <Upu> yeah it was very stable
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[22:34] <Colin-G8TMV> I think it was the longest tracking session I've ever taken part in
[22:34] <Morseman_G0DJA> When you get a moment daveake I'd be interested in what you did to keep it on freq
[22:34] <Colin-G8TMV> and the easiest
[22:35] <daveake> It seemed strange being on a "chase" and having time to wander around Goring for the best part of an hour earlier :-)
[22:35] <jcoxon> daveake, yeah - thats the risk
[22:35] <daveake> Morseman_G0DJA Nothing special. It's an rfm22b not an NTX2
[22:35] <Colin-G8TMV> it took you that long to find a pub?
[22:35] <daveake> lol
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander_> ah daveake you did a pico launch?
[22:36] <daveake> I did two
[22:36] <Morseman_G0DJA> OK on the RFM22B - Maybe one to get as an alternative to the NTX for testing
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander_> cool
[22:36] <daveake> One was slightly more successful than the other
[22:36] <Colin-G8TMV> slightly?
[22:36] <daveake> I jest :)
[22:36] <number10> well he could still recover the first
[22:37] <Colin-G8TMV> can you count it as an endurance attempt?
[22:37] <daveake> Well I aimed for a float
[22:37] <number10> is your first buzz still transmitting daveake ?
[22:37] <daveake> And in fact the first one has been up at the same altitude all day now
[22:37] <Morseman_G0DJA> The next great thing might be to get PPS or 10MHz output locked to the GPS as a GPSDO frequency standard? Although I do know extremes of temp can still be a problem
[22:37] <daveake> I'll check ....
[22:37] <NSS-WB9SBD> I guess another 1/2 hiour and PBH will have no more sun
[22:38] <daveake> Yes still Txing
[22:38] <daveake> And still up the tree looking at the altitude
[22:38] <number10> :)
[22:39] <Morseman_G0DJA> NSS-WB9SBD is it worth listening to 7.1023 or 10.1466 from UK do you think and does prediction show APRS coverage into EU at all?
[22:39] <daveake> Can anyone delete that last sentence so it doesn't look like Buzz has flown back into the tree? :)
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[22:39] <Upu> Azores will retune like last time
[22:39] <daveake> Too slow unchecking the "online" box :p
[22:39] <Upu> but its going to be 36 hours before it hits there ?
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[22:41] <Colin-G8TMV> right - I'm going to go and prod clocks and then fall into bed - another launch tomorrow right?
[22:41] <NSS-WB9SBD> I listened off and on all day here nd this is the first HF signal flight that I have never heard a sound. So can't say what you may hear. From here nothing.
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[22:43] <Lunar_Lander_> Upu, are you here?
[22:43] <Upu> yeah
[22:43] <Lunar_Lander_> I got your letter
[22:43] <Upu> oh good
[22:44] <Upu> should get you going anyway
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander_> thanks
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander_> :)
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[22:44] <Upu> welcome
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[22:50] <Lunar_Lander_> Upu, and I got my stabo receiver, arduino uno and audio wire back
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander_> as well as the antenna
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander_> that means, if dl-fldigi works on my PC, I can try to track again
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[22:54] <gonzo_> I don't think dave is going to put it back up a tree for you!
[22:55] <Dan-K2VOL> Hello all
[22:55] <Upu> evening Dan
[22:55] <AL0I_Todd> PBH-18's last two xmns on 30M were at 2233 and 2253 UTC. Not strong enough to copy whole frame either time. Telemetry beginning about 20 seconds after start of minute.
[22:56] <Upu> and so it begins :)
[22:56] <Upu> anyone done the maths to work out when it should be in range of the Azores ?
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[22:57] <Lunar_Lander_> does anyone know if ubuntu has a task manager?
[22:58] <Dan-K2VOL> top?
[22:58] <Dan-K2VOL> :-P
[22:58] <jonsowman> htop
[22:58] <Zuph> htop > top
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[23:00] <fsphil> needs more _'s
[23:00] <Upu> yeah not enough really
[23:00] Nick change: Zuph -> Zuph____________
[23:00] <Dan-K2VOL> hi AL0I_Todd
[23:00] Nick change: Zuph____________ -> Z_______________
[23:00] <fsphil> they'll be banning _'s soon
[23:00] <Upu> is the missing word "likes trees" ?
[23:01] <AL0I_Todd> Hi Dan
[23:01] Nick change: Z_______________ -> Zuph
[23:01] <r2x0t> hmm, don't think it will go to the azores
[23:01] <r2x0t> http://62.89.145.4/charts/18_6_250mbjet.png?dt=615
[23:01] <r2x0t> current jet stream should take it to the north
[23:02] <Upu> http://nstar.org/GFS/10mb/10mb.036.png
[23:02] <r2x0t> that's better
[23:02] <Upu> straight to Azores
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[23:03] <daveake_________> I think that's a "_" for every failed attempt to login :p
[23:03] Nick change: daveake_________ -> daveake
[23:04] <NSS-WB9SBD> anyone care to calculate how long the APRS dead zone will be?
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[23:05] <Upu> checking
[23:05] <daveake> Pix from the recovery - http://imgur.com/a/vdyQF
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[23:05] <Upu> ok assume last speed stays constant
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[23:05] <Upu> 94km
[23:05] <Upu> and hour
[23:05] <Upu> which is actually quite slow
[23:06] <Upu> Just shy of 3000km to the Azores
[23:06] <Upu> ~30 hours
[23:06] <daveake> Crap pix but note the pinkness shows up nicely :)
[23:06] <AL0I_Todd> PBH-18 flight team sending commands to balloon now on 30M
[23:06] <Laurenceb_> grrr
[23:06] <jonsowman> nice one daveake, congrats
[23:06] <daveake> Cheers
[23:06] <Laurenceb_> did we catch sunset at PBH?
[23:06] <daveake> Interesting day!
[23:06] <Upu> AL0I_Todd if they know where it is we can update www.spacenear.us/tracker
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander_> where are swanage cliffs?
[23:07] <Upu> daveake do you just not like collecting your payloads in day time
[23:07] <daveake> Upu Good point :)
[23:08] <daveake> Have Torch Will Chase
[23:08] <AL0I_Todd> PBH is pretty insular. They tend to do their own thing. I wish they would take advantage of Spacenear.us.
[23:08] <NSS-WB9SBD> Sunset at the balloon altitue should be just about now.
[23:08] <daveake> afk - need to cook summat
[23:08] <Upu> We've noticed AL0I_Todd :)
[23:08] <jcoxon> AL0I_Todd, hehe, well i'm borrowing their data
[23:08] <Upu> They have probably 90 people on this side of the pond who'd be ready to assist if they asked
[23:09] <AL0I_Todd> Hi James. Didn't mean to be rude the last time we were on at the same time. Had IRC client problems and couldn't reply to your greeting.
[23:09] <jcoxon> oh thats okay
[23:09] <jcoxon> IRC is very chilled
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[23:09] <Upu> anyway I reckon 0500 GMT 26/03/12 it should appear at the Azores if the speed remains constant
[23:10] <Upu> will probably be earlier
[23:10] <NSS-WB9SBD> Is anyone hearing anything on HF?
[23:10] <jcoxon> AL0I_Todd, it is true though that we've proved that HF/dl-fldigi/spacenear does work
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander_> where are swanage cliffs?
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander_> and who was responsible for NOVA again?
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander_> eroomde?
[23:10] <AL0I_Todd> You're preaching to the choir
[23:11] <AL0I_Todd> Look for PBH-18 on 30M at 2313 UTC
[23:11] <NSS-WB9SBD> 10.146 right?
[23:11] <AL0I_Todd> I'm tuned to 10146.6 khz
[23:12] <Upu> PBH updated
[23:12] <NSS-WB9SBD> What freq is anyone hearng them on?
[23:12] <Upu> lost a little altitude, sun gone down ?
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[23:13] <AL0I_Todd> PBH-18 transmitting now
[23:14] <AL0I_Todd> PBH flight team transmitting commands
[23:14] <NSS-WB9SBD> what r they using for a rcvr?
[23:14] <NSS-WB9SBD> on the balloon that is.
[23:14] <AL0I_Todd> No idea.
[23:15] <Upu> daveake we Buzz really needs to take that altitude record :)
[23:15] <Upu> we = the
[23:16] <Upu> 30 meter 10.14661 MHz 05, 25, 45 every hour
[23:16] <Upu> 40 meter 7.10241 MHz 10, 30, 50 every hour
[23:16] <Upu> CW Morse Code with call sign N2XE followed by Latitude, Longitude, Altitude and Battery Voltage
[23:16] <Morseman_G0DJA> Regarding PBH - I tried the 40M freq but full of SSB stations, nothing heard on 10.1466MHz at all (but the antenna isn't great on 30M) so I've plugged a vertical into the 2M port of my TS2000X and fired up AGWPE and UI-View in RX only mode on 144.390MHz FM
[23:17] <Upu> thats the transmission schedule
[23:17] <Morseman_G0DJA> Upu - Ah, didn't realise it was only on certain time slots...
[23:17] <Upu> neither did I just nosing round their site
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[23:17] <AL0I_Todd> Well, the balloon flight computer apparently has other ideas.
[23:18] <Upu> whats it actually doing ?
[23:18] <AL0I_Todd> 30M transmissions at 13, 33 and 53 minutes after the hour.
[23:18] <AL0I_Todd> Can't hear anything on 40M due to QRM
[23:19] <Morseman_G0DJA> Probably by now sleeping looking at the greyline path over that part of the world!
[23:19] <NSS-WB9SBD> 40 meter actual feq?
[23:19] <Morseman_G0DJA> AL0I_Todd neither can I but that's normal for 40M for me...
[23:19] <Upu> 7.10241 MHz
[23:19] <NSS-WB9SBD> qsl
[23:20] <schofieldau> morning all
[23:20] <Morseman_G0DJA> Upu are you definately hearing it on that freq?
[23:20] <Upu> evening schofieldau
[23:20] <AL0I_Todd> But guessing 40M transmissions at 3, 23, and 43 minutes after hour.
[23:20] <Upu> no I have no HF ability just reading from the website
[23:20] <Morseman_G0DJA> I'd have to take down the APRS to listen now
[23:21] <NSS-WB9SBD> looks like the APRS rubber band has snapped.
[23:21] <AL0I_Todd> PBH-18 flight team transmitting commands now
[23:21] <AL0I_Todd> On 30 Meters
[23:21] <NSS-WB9SBD> 30 or 40
[23:21] <NSS-WB9SBD> r
[23:21] <Morseman_G0DJA> Upu my HF experience is also not that good. I just never did get on with all that noise!
[23:21] <Upu> I don't have the antennas/wires/space
[23:22] <Morseman_G0DJA> NSS-WB9SBD Oh, sorry to hear that. Maybe I'll disconnect it and have a look on 30/40M instead
[23:22] <NSS-WB9SBD> MT = Ballast dump?
[23:22] <AL0I_Todd> That would be my guess
[23:22] <Upu> just trying some global tuners
[23:23] <AL0I_Todd> At least it puts you on the right frequency
[23:23] <Upu> St Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia
[23:23] <Morseman_G0DJA> Transfering to upstairs in the hope Kate has gone to sleep and I can mooch about without diturbing her in next room...
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[23:24] <NSS-WB9SBD> Gonna go and eat, be back in a bit
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[23:26] <daveake> Upu (altitude record) Yes I agree :)
[23:27] <NigeyS> haha never!
[23:27] Action: NigeyS protects picochus record :D
[23:27] <daveake> Upu means a different record :)
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[23:28] <Morseman_G0DJA> OK - This is me from my shack now..
[23:28] <Upu> back in a sec as web developer just had his laptop nicked with all the passwords on it to www.mcfc.co.uk...
[23:28] <Morseman_G0DJA> Upu Oh sugar!
[23:29] <NigeyS> daveake: now that would be interesting if its the 1 i think it is :)
[23:29] <Lunar_Lander_> I don't like about PBH that they got no info on the website
[23:30] <Morseman_G0DJA> 40M useless here - too much SSB - 30M quiet but will now have to wait for TX as I forgot what Upu said it would be...
[23:31] <Lunar_Lander_> nicked means?
[23:31] <Lunar_Lander_> hacked or stolen?
[23:31] <Morseman_G0DJA> Lunar_lander = Stolen
[23:32] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[23:32] <Morseman_G0DJA> We've had several laptops/memory sticks stolen/mislaid by people who should know better over here...
[23:33] <jcoxon> pbh still seems to be getting updated
[23:34] <AL0I_Todd> Couldn't hear anything during 2333 UTC on 30M
[23:35] <Morseman_G0DJA> jcoxon where's that going please and can someone repeate the 30M times so I can take a listen? Thanks
[23:36] <jcoxon> Morseman_G0DJA, not sure where its going! it'll follow the same path
[23:36] <Morseman_G0DJA> Lunar_Lander MCFC is Manchester City Football Club, not quite Manchester United, but close enough
[23:37] <Morseman_G0DJA> jcoxon I was hoping for a URL to go take a look - LOL
[23:37] <AL0I_Todd> PBH-18 flight team sending commands now on 30M
[23:37] <jcoxon> http://www.projectbluehorizon.com/
[23:37] <jcoxon> though you won't find that much info...
[23:38] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah
[23:38] <Lunar_Lander_> I think they even miss a contact button
[23:38] <Lunar_Lander_> *lack
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[23:39] <Morseman_G0DJA> I can 'see' something on the 600Hz CW plot on 30M freq put not enough to ID it
[23:40] <AL0I_Todd> PBH-18 flight team sending commands now on 30M
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[23:44] <Lunar_Lander_> can the commands be decoded?
[23:45] <AL0I_Todd> I've never seen a list.
[23:45] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[23:45] <Lunar_Lander_> what sort of communications do they use?
[23:45] <Lunar_Lander_> that CW?
[23:45] <AL0I_Todd> Given the fact that the balloon altitude is dropping according to APRS data, I would guess they are sending the 'dump ballast command' right now.
[23:45] <AL0I_Todd> Right, CW
[23:46] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah, seems logical
[23:46] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[23:46] <jcoxon> oh right
[23:46] <jcoxon> are we still getting aprs?
[23:46] <Lunar_Lander_> stupid question
[23:46] <Lunar_Lander_> is CW AM or FM then?
[23:46] <Randomskk> AM
[23:46] <Randomskk> (stupid answer)
[23:46] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[23:46] <AL0I_Todd> last APRS report at 23:45. Balloon dropping pretty fast.
[23:46] <jcoxon> thats impressive range
[23:46] <Lunar_Lander_> btw I didn't mean the question like that
[23:47] <AL0I_Todd> Down to 88935 ft. from 106000 ft.
[23:47] <Lunar_Lander_> I meant if it even is AM/FM
[23:47] <Lunar_Lander_> as it is a continous wave
[23:47] <Lunar_Lander_> and how they get the modulation
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[23:47] <Lunar_Lander_> and I only imagined AM or FM
[23:47] <Lunar_Lander_> and I wanted to see if it is either of those
[23:47] <Lunar_Lander_> or something totally different
[23:48] <jcoxon> AL0I_Todd, the altitude map suggests that ballast drop isn't making a difference
[23:49] <AL0I_Todd> Well, I never heard the balloon acknowledge the command, so it may not have performed the drop
[23:49] <jcoxon> on spacenear.us, top left
[23:49] <jcoxon> ignore the ascent though
[23:49] <AL0I_Todd> I think that is why they keep repeating the command
[23:51] <AL0I_Todd> The flight computer always has some sort of response to a command so they know it was received. I haven't heard anything but the scheduled telemetry.
[23:52] <jcoxon> eek
[23:52] <jcoxon> AL0I_Todd, whats the aprs callsign?
[23:52] <AL0I_Todd> KD2AUC-1
[23:53] <jcoxon> flying house!
[23:53] <AL0I_Todd> Yeah
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[23:53] <Dan-K2VOL> haha evening James
[23:54] <jcoxon> hey Dan-K2VOL
[23:54] <AL0I_Todd> No telemetry at 2353 UTC, but PBH-18 flight team did send commands.
[23:55] <jcoxon> i suspect we'll lose aprs once the blue circle passes from nova scotia
[23:55] <Morseman_G0DJA> I'll give up on the 40/30M tracking and will go back to the 144.390MHz FM APRS in case there's anything on that freq because there's nothing on the HF frequencies here
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[23:59] <jcoxon> night all
[23:59] <Dan-K2VOL> night james
[23:59] <AL0I_Todd> Bye
[23:59] <jcoxon> will leave the pbh script running
[23:59] <jcoxon> to keep it on spacenear.us
[23:59] <Upu> night
[23:59] <Morseman_G0DJA> jcoxon where was that circle?
[23:59] <jcoxon> on spacenear.us
[23:59] <jcoxon> its the 0deg horizon
[23:59] <Dan-K2VOL> radio horizon?
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