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[00:49] <Lunar_Lander> heathkid|3, can you read me?
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[01:55] <heathkid> loud and clear
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[02:20] <griffonbot> @VA3QV: RT @PBHVI: Friday's update http://t.co/VGdDZyew 100 hours, 4400 miles, PBH-18 is GO for launch 2300 EST 3/23/2012 #PBHVI #ARHAB #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/VA3QV/status/183015365142519808]
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[04:56] <schofieldau> yay playing around with arduino
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[04:56] <schofieldau> soldered the FTDI header
[04:56] <schofieldau> making the LED blink :P
[04:56] <Darkside> woo
[04:57] <schofieldau> and playing with serial stuff
[04:57] <Darkside> schofieldau: when do you want the gps?
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[04:57] <schofieldau> will you be in the city this weekend at all?
[04:59] <Darkside> yes, likely
[05:01] <schofieldau> okay
[05:03] <schofieldau> might try and find a time to grab it then
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[08:05] <eroomde> morning all
[08:05] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: RT @PBHVI: Friday's update http://t.co/VGdDZyew 100 hours, 4400 miles, PBH-18 is GO for launch 2300 EST 3/23/2012 #PBHVI #ARHAB #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/183102057086062592]
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[08:07] <eroomde> slightly ambiguous tweet my lockheed martin there
[08:07] <eroomde> i assume thats their aim rather than what they're currently at
[08:08] <Darkside> their aim
[08:08] <Darkside> and i'm betting they'll ve using a zero pressure balloon
[08:08] <eroomde> theyve got the budget
[08:09] <Darkside> yeah
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[08:29] <eroomde> UpuWork: http://blog.makezine.com/2012/03/22/sketchup-plugin-auto-generates-3d-pcb-models-from-eagle-files/
[08:29] <eroomde> another alternative
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[08:41] <UpuWork> thats what i use
[08:41] <UpuWork> EagleUp
[08:41] <UpuWork> but it doesn't seem to be able to handle your "curves" :)
[08:41] <UpuWork> morning btw
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[09:21] Action: fsphil vs. morning
[09:21] <fsphil> I think it's winning
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[09:27] <UpuWork> I knobbed Mornings mum
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[09:32] <gonzo_> sometimes you get the feeling you joined the chan just at the wrong time?!
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[09:33] <UpuWork> :)
[09:33] <Elmar_PD3EM> Morning!
[09:33] <UpuWork> morning
[09:33] <Elmar_PD3EM> hi UpuWork how's everything going?
[09:33] <UpuWork> very well thanks
[09:34] <Elmar_PD3EM> had been very busy this week....
[09:34] <cuddykid> morning
[09:34] <Elmar_PD3EM> I hope the package will arrive today ;-)
[09:34] <UpuWork> you not got your bits yet ?
[09:34] <Elmar_PD3EM> no, not yet...
[09:34] <gonzo_> I'm not asaying mornibng, it will get upu all worked up!
[09:35] <cuddykid> I think a high altitude post service relying on winds would probably be more reliable than most postal services lol
[09:35] <Elmar_PD3EM> lol cuddykid
[09:36] <UpuWork> sorry it was from some sniffpetrol fake ads which I can't find now
[09:37] <UpuWork> http://livesniffpetrol.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/SPAD_MG6_2.jpg
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[09:37] <daveake> lol
[09:37] <daveake> I see that my body clock has a sense of humour, waking me at 5:20 on the day I turn 52 ...
[09:38] <UpuWork> happy birthday
[09:38] <daveake> why thank you :)
[09:39] <fsphil> happy birdthday daveake
[09:39] <fsphil> (somewhat intentional typo ;)
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[09:48] <NickB1> happy birthday daveake
[09:49] <NickB1> Send up 52 foil ballons this weekend :)
[09:49] <NickB1> *balloons
[09:49] Action: fsphil has no cake, will a jaffacake do?
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[09:51] <cuddykid> habby birthday daveake& see what I did ;) haha
[09:53] <NickB1> Is there somekind of PCB footprint for the RFM22B?
[09:53] <UpuWork> yeah
[09:53] <cuddykid> in the datasheet
[09:53] <UpuWork> I think its in my Eagle library or in Sparkfun
[09:53] <UpuWork> I'll check
[09:53] <cuddykid> or Upu's library for spark fun :)
[09:53] <cuddykid> I think
[09:53] <number10> happy birfday daveake
[09:54] <cuddykid> *eagle
[09:54] <NickB1> can only find one for the IC in the datasheet?
[09:54] <UpuWork> its in Sparkfun
[09:54] <UpuWork> RFM22
[09:54] <UpuWork> https://github.com/sparkfun/SparkFun-Eagle-Library
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[09:56] <daveake> No cake, sorry :-(
[09:56] <cuddykid> yay - I *should* be able to start getting this board soldered up later today! been waiting almost 2 months for this :D
[09:57] <daveake> oh goodie
[09:57] <gonzo_> shame you don't work at my place.... You'd be buying cake for everyone
[09:57] <NickB1> got it
[09:57] <NickB1> Thanks!
[09:59] <NickB1> hmm
[09:59] <NickB1> can i get some measurements for the pads out of the library?
[10:00] <NickB1> not so familiar with eagle
[10:00] <UpuWork> what are you trying to do with it ?
[10:00] <NickB1> I want to draw the footprint in Altium
[10:00] <NickB1> but I need some measurements
[10:00] <UpuWork> ah ok
[10:00] <UpuWork> data sheet time
[10:01] <UpuWork> or speak to Darkside see if has one
[10:02] <NickB1> Is there a suggested foorpint in the datasheet?
[10:02] <NickB1> cant seem to find it
[10:04] <Hix> All this talk of mornings - I didn't wake up until 09:15 - on a skoolday too :|
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[10:04] <NickB1> ah ok
[10:04] <NickB1> can get it out of eagle
[10:08] <UpuWork> http://www.hoperf.com/upload/rf/RFM22B_23B.pdf
[10:08] <UpuWork> page 67
[10:10] <NickB1> yeah
[10:10] <NickB1> but it dosunt realy have a pad suggestion
[10:10] <NickB1> *doesnt
[10:11] <NickB1> is there a supplier other then sparkfun?
[10:11] <Darkside> haha
[10:12] <Darkside> i have a footprint
[10:12] <Darkside> uhmm
[10:12] <Darkside> hold
[10:12] Action: UpuWork points at Darkside
[10:12] <Darkside> NickB1: http://project-horus.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/cutdown/Darkside_Lib.PcbLib
[10:12] <NickB1> ah thanks!
[10:12] <Darkside> http://project-horus.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/cutdown/Darkside_Lib.SchLib
[10:13] <Darkside> theres the schematic lib to go with it
[10:13] <Darkside> should have what you need
[10:13] <NickB1> thanks al lot Darkside
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[10:24] <cuddykid> what do you guys recommend I solder first onto the board?
[10:24] <UpuWork> power check it
[10:24] <UpuWork> AVR check it
[10:24] <UpuWork> pic ?
[10:25] <eroomde> power
[10:25] <cuddykid> ahh ok thanks, would never have thought of that!
[10:25] <eroomde> then avr and and iscp or whatever and a blinkenlight
[10:25] <cuddykid> one sec UpuWork
[10:26] <eroomde> nothing expensive
[10:26] <UpuWork> what eroomde said
[10:26] <eroomde> until you know the power is doing what you expect
[10:26] <eroomde> and if you don't have reverse polarity protection, perhaps put a diode on just while you test and develop
[10:27] <cuddykid> http://www.flickr.com/photos/acudworth/sets/72157629263816932/
[10:28] <eroomde> looks like you've done a nice job there
[10:28] <UpuWork> looks great
[10:28] <cuddykid> yeah, I'm very pleased :D thanks to everyones help :)
[10:29] <UpuWork> make sure you use some flux on the GPS
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[10:29] <eroomde> also work in height order
[10:29] <eroomde> so small we passives first
[10:29] <daveake> ^ good idea
[10:29] <eroomde> and then the shortest through hole components
[10:29] <cuddykid> yeah! Started using flux last weekend for my soldering - wow, what a difference!
[10:29] <cuddykid> ahh ok, makes sense :)
[10:30] <eroomde> yep
[10:30] <eroomde> nothing more annoying that burning your finder having to hold a throughhole components down and soldering it on the other side
[10:31] <daveake> Yeah, difficult to type with a burned finder
[10:31] <UpuWork> or a finger
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[10:31] <UpuWork> cuddykid I would do the power check it, then do the AVR and put the LED on then run blink on it to check thats all working and prohramming
[10:32] <UpuWork> how are you programming it ?
[10:32] <UpuWork> oh I see the ICSP connector
[10:32] <cuddykid> UpuWork: yep
[10:32] <daveake> Do the rest once you have blinkenlighten without smokenescapen
[10:32] <cuddykid> :P
[10:32] <UpuWork> haha
[10:34] <Hix> smokenescapen :D
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[10:36] <Darkside> haha
[10:36] <Darkside> NickB1: so you're an altium guy, hey?
[10:36] <cuddykid> oh wow! forecast to get up to 19C tomorrow!
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[10:37] <daveake> Nice day for a launch ....
[10:37] <cuddykid> dull here at the moment
[10:37] <daveake> .... speaking of which, any news from the SHARP boys?
[10:37] <cuddykid> indeed daveake - certainly better than our last launch!
[10:39] <daveake> I thought that would be more difficult than it was. Not as cold as I expected
[10:39] <daveake> Cold in the wind at the beach though!
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[10:45] <schofieldau> hey everyone
[10:46] <Darkside> hey schofieldau
[10:47] <Darkside> i should be in the city for hackerspace tomorrow
[10:47] <schofieldau> I'll be rowing until quite late
[10:48] <schofieldau> second race is at like 4:30pm
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[10:48] <schofieldau> what time will you be at hackerspace?
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[10:56] <UpuWork> I think I might have scared SHARP off as I asked if we could launch with them
[10:56] <UpuWork> but then they told me they are just launching from public land with no permission from the landowner
[10:56] <kokey> hehe
[10:57] <UpuWork> and I'm not sure turning up with 2 cylinders of H2 would sit well with their Uni insurance
[10:57] <UpuWork> anyway the predictions are crap from there as well
[10:57] <kokey> haha H2
[10:57] <kokey> at least they're not trying to launch from whitehall
[10:58] <kokey> it looks like it may be warm, but will be cloudy
[10:59] <UpuWork> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=94ece717955d343dfe3f18facbadafc199c093d2
[10:59] <UpuWork> thats SHARP's prediction
[10:59] <UpuWork> if they get the fill wrong
[10:59] <UpuWork> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=45a5c012adfc56831c07eb5c856f58507597b3e0
[11:00] <UpuWork> but I don't know what balloon they are using
[11:00] <UpuWork> as long as they have a good > 4.5m/s ascent they should be fine
[11:03] <kokey> perhaps they should do what the hot air balloon people do, and do it really early
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[11:06] <UpuWork> lol
[11:06] <Darkside> schofieldau: hmm, not that long
[11:06] <jonsowman> morning
[11:06] <Darkside> schofieldau: i'll be at hackerspace from 1-4pm i think
[11:06] <UpuWork> if they launch at 11am I think they's being wildly optimistic
[11:07] <mfa298> I think SHARP are mostly thinking of launching sun/mon but not sure if there's much more plan than that yet
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[11:11] <jonsowman> any launches today?
[11:12] <jonsowman> i imagine not
[11:12] <jonsowman> just wondering if anyone minds if a spam the tracker with test data for a bit
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[11:13] <UpuWork> tommorrow jonsowman
[11:13] <UpuWork> spam away I'd say
[11:13] <jonsowman> ta
[11:13] <jonsowman> i'll leave it clear tomorrow
[11:23] <daveake> ok if I spam it too then?
[11:23] <jonsowman> sure
[11:25] <daveake> egg, bacon, Spam and sausage coming up
[11:25] <eroomde> i had that this morning
[11:25] <eroomde> no that's wrong, i didn't
[11:25] <eroomde> i had sausges, shrooms and egg
[11:25] <eroomde> one pan special
[11:25] <daveake> Lovely Spam! Wonderful Spam!
[11:26] <NigelMoby> mm fryup
[11:26] <Darkside> or the lobster thevidor agrevette with the truffle patties and spam
[11:27] <gonzo_> Bloody Vikings!
[11:27] <NigelMoby> never tried lobster hmm.
[11:28] <gonzo_> it ruins the taste of the spam
[11:29] <NigelMoby> lol
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[11:48] <marcozambi> Hi there! I have a question for you fellas, maybe someone can help me.
[11:49] <NigelMoby> fire away...
[11:49] <marcozambi> I'm planning to use a Radiometrix NTX2 transmitter on board or next StratoSpera launch
[11:49] <marcozambi> Do anyone of you have used it in flight ?
[11:49] <UpuWork> many people
[11:49] <NigelMoby> almost all do
[11:50] <NigelMoby> hey upu!
[11:50] <UpuWork> Using RTTY
[11:50] <UpuWork> morning NigelMoby
[11:50] <marcozambi> Is its transmission power enough to be received >50 km distance
[11:50] <UpuWork> yeah just
[11:50] <UpuWork> (Current record is 780km)
[11:50] <marcozambi> yes the plan is to transmit some still image taken with a little ttl cam via SSTV protocol
[11:50] <marcozambi> holy cow!
[11:50] <marcozambi> 780 km!
[11:51] <UpuWork> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:uk_records#radio_range_10mw_50_baud
[11:51] <marcozambi> Well we don't plan to go that far, or we'll need a boat!
[11:51] <NigelMoby> range increases massively with altitude
[11:51] <UpuWork> ah fsphil is your man for that he's done SSTV
[11:51] <daveake> And you'll probably want to go 300 baud
[11:52] <UpuWork> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:ssdv?s[]=sstv
[11:52] <marcozambi> I didn't sketched out the details yet, this is most a "learn and experiment" project involving an arduino, a minicam, and as said an NTX2
[11:52] <fsphil> SSTV is a bit more difficult than ssdv
[11:53] <UpuWork> where are you launching from ?
[11:53] <marcozambi> Tuscany
[11:53] <marcozambi> Italy
[11:53] <UpuWork> ok
[11:53] <NigelMoby> oo
[11:53] <marcozambi> This will be our 4th launch
[11:53] <marcozambi> The plan is to use a low resolution cam to look up at the balloon
[11:54] <UpuWork> nice place, shame we don't have any tracking network that far south
[11:54] <marcozambi> whole another, separated cam will take photos at 8mpix
[11:54] <marcozambi> *while another
[11:54] <marcozambi> the plan is to involve radio amatours to track the balloon
[11:55] <UpuWork> well if you can teach them to run Dl-fldigi you can track it on www.spacenear.us/tracker
[11:55] <marcozambi> we have some regulation issues with "flying radios" to address
[11:55] <marcozambi> also
[11:55] <marcozambi> but I think we'll be outlaws gladly
[11:55] <marcozambi> you know, we are Italians :)
[11:55] <NigelMoby> lol
[11:55] <UpuWork> lol
[11:56] <marcozambi> Ok guys, thanks a lot for your help, I'll have a look at your links
[11:56] <marcozambi> and I'll be back to share designs and results
[11:56] <NigelMoby> no Probs :)
[11:56] <UpuWork> jsut pop by if you need anything else or feel free to idle
[11:56] <marcozambi> even if I think you know better
[11:56] <marcozambi> a lot
[11:56] <marcozambi> If you want to take a look to our experiences: http://www.stratospera.com
[11:57] <marcozambi> It's in italian but photos and videos are univesally appreciated :D
[11:57] <marcozambi> Launch will be on 26th May
[11:57] <NigelMoby> oh neat
[11:58] <UpuWork> nothing our Google Overlords can't fix : http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=www.stratospera.com&act=url
[11:58] <marcozambi> hope you'll like it
[11:58] <UpuWork> http://www.stratospera.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/adriatico.jpg
[11:58] <UpuWork> wow
[11:59] <marcozambi> it's a panorama composed by multiple shots
[11:59] <marcozambi> top left corner, Venice
[11:59] <UpuWork> U/V filter ?
[11:59] <marcozambi> none
[11:59] <UpuWork> interesting thanks
[11:59] <UpuWork> what cameras ?
[12:00] <marcozambi> just a canon camera with custom firmware
[12:00] <UpuWork> A560 ?
[12:00] <marcozambi> and for canon camera I mean a very cheap one with chdk firmware
[12:00] <marcozambi> let me see
[12:00] <daveake> Very very nice picture
[12:00] <UpuWork> wonder if my camera was faulty
[12:00] <kokey> I've owned a few canon ixuses
[12:00] <kokey> and they were all great, except for my current one
[12:01] <UpuWork> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/IMG_6480_stitch.jpg
[12:01] <kokey> I'm actually thinking of selling my current one and replacing it with a slightly older model or something
[12:01] <UpuWork> maybe it was hazy or something but those pics are much sharper than mine
[12:01] <marcozambi> it's an Ixus 80 IS
[12:01] <UpuWork> cheers
[12:01] <kokey> or just use it on a high risk mission, since it probably won't sell for much with the scratches etc.
[12:01] <kokey> the 80IS is great
[12:01] <daveake> Sun's nearly in frame in yours UpuWork
[12:01] <UpuWork> yeah
[12:01] <marcozambi> our friend and team member francesco bonomi has great experience in this field
[12:01] <marcozambi> http://www.francescobonomi.it/ballon-photography-CHDK
[12:01] <daveake> That's not going to help contrast
[12:02] <UpuWork> the u/v filter will also act as a sun shade
[12:02] <daveake> :)
[12:02] <marcozambi> we switch between video and shots modes using the usb cable
[12:02] <marcozambi> commanding the camera from a custom electronic board
[12:02] <kokey> I've done loads of time lapse with my canon ixus cameras, e.g.: www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkleifujCz8
[12:02] <UpuWork> ok I'm afk food
[12:03] <kokey> though not on a balloon yet ;-)
[12:03] <kokey> what is a max payload roughly?
[12:03] <marcozambi> we're using 1600 g hwoyee
[12:03] <kokey> 1.6kg?
[12:04] <marcozambi> yessir
[12:04] <kokey> nice
[12:04] <marcozambi> I mean the lift capability of the balloon
[12:04] <kokey> oh
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[12:04] <marcozambi> our payload weights about 1,2 kgs if I'm not mistaken
[12:04] <kokey> still, if it's 1.6kg, would it get above 10,000m at least?
[12:04] <marcozambi> we have the camera, the batteries, the custom board and few items
[12:05] <marcozambi> like memorabilia and so on
[12:05] <marcozambi> to be flown for our sponsor
[12:05] <marcozambi> This time we'll try to integrate my little project
[12:05] <marcozambi> and maybe break our record altitude
[12:06] <marcozambi> 39.614 meters
[12:06] <marcozambi> once again thanks for your help, I'll be back soon, now lunch time. Sacred time here
[12:06] <marcozambi> grogle
[12:07] <kokey> what I'd really like to do is send a camera up taking very regular shots, e.g. 1 per second or so, and have something keep it stable
[12:07] <kokey> gyros are too heavy tho
[12:07] <marcozambi> kokey, right now I don't know if 10.000 m is reachable.
[12:07] <marcozambi> I have to ask to other team members
[12:07] <marcozambi> and I'll report to you asap
[12:08] <kokey> I'm going to play with quadcopters a bit so I'm thinking of perhaps modifying the flight control on that to be a camera stabaliser while it's tethered
[12:08] <BrainDamage> marcozambi: where do you launch from?
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[12:39] <navrac> ugh just replaced the fan on my laptop - I thought 'how hard can it be' turns out very hard - required complete dismantling , motherboard out, display off etc in fact a complete deconstruction to individual parts.
[12:40] <NigelMoby> eek, got to love laptops :/
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[12:56] <joph> hello
[13:01] <Udin_SHARP> hi joph
[13:02] <UpuWork> afternoon all
[13:02] <UpuWork> So launching this weekend Udin ?
[13:05] <Graeme_SHARP> Upu, Launch announcment email is sitting the mailing list queue waiting for approval. But the jist of it is 'Yes, on sunday!'
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[13:06] <UpuWork> ok cool don't worry we won't come gatecrash with Hydrogen :)
[13:06] <UpuWork> question : whats the payload weight and size/make of balloon ?
[13:07] <Udin_SHARP> our payload will be just under 2kg with an 800g balloon
[13:07] <Graeme_SHARP> Payload weight is a little on the heavy side ~1400g with not scientific payload (we may fly a 300g one on it on Sunday).
[13:08] <Graeme_SHARP> Not going to be going to great heights on that combination though.
[13:08] <Graeme_SHARP> Looking for somewhere between 25 and 30 km.
[13:08] <UpuWork> Totex balloon ?
[13:08] <Graeme_SHARP> Yep
[13:08] <Graeme_SHARP> Correction - Kamont!
[13:09] <UpuWork> how much gas have you got ?
[13:09] <Graeme_SHARP> We've got 18 Cubic Meters available to us - but we won't be using all that for one launch - hopefully squeeze 3 out of that.
[13:10] <UpuWork> 26km
[13:10] <UpuWork> 5.5m/s ascent
[13:10] <UpuWork> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=fd66ee03478b56675b2724c8512763f391f1ab8c
[13:11] <UpuWork> not a bad one. daveake is that your house its landing on ? :)
[13:11] <daveake> Nah LOL
[13:11] <daveake> But it swings near here
[13:12] <number10> happy 20th btw daveake
[13:12] Action: daveake sends number10 a better calculator
[13:12] <daveake> Or are you using base26 ?
[13:13] <number10> years in buisness - thought it was on same day
[13:13] <daveake> Good point
[13:13] <daveake> Yes, 20 today in business :)
[13:13] <number10> you're getting old - you forgot
[13:13] <daveake> I forgot!
[13:13] <daveake> ^^
[13:14] <number10> it will happen to me in 4 months - I'll forget everthing and my typing will go to pot
[13:14] <daveake> -4
[13:14] <daveake> :)
[13:14] <UpuWork> btw SHARP that prediction puts it 3-4 miles from RAF Lyneham I'd keep and eye on that
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[13:15] <fsphil> how'd you work that out base26 so quickly daveake ? only just calculated it :)
[13:15] <fsphil> I'm 16 in base26 :)
[13:16] <UpuWork> I'm 1D :/
[13:17] <zyp> I'm o
[13:17] <UpuWork> lol
[13:17] <UpuWork> could get confusing
[13:17] <zyp> :)
[13:17] <daveake> Helium has arrived :)
[13:17] <daveake> Feels strange having such a light little cylinder
[13:18] <fsphil> remember to recycle it daveake
[13:19] <daveake> Yeah, local tip has a section for them
[13:19] <daveake> Postie has brought loads of stuff too, and it's not even my birthday ...
[13:19] <daveake> .. oh, it is :p
[13:20] <daveake> Balsa wood has arrived Upu, for the launch next week
[13:20] <UpuWork> fingers crossed watching predictions which are whacky at the moemnt
[13:21] <fsphil> I was going to have a jaffa cake on your behalf but some git has eaten them all
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[13:26] <marcozambi> BrainDamage, we launch from central Tuscany
[13:26] <BrainDamage> ah, too far from here
[13:26] <BrainDamage> but I know michael sacchi
[13:27] <BrainDamage> in fact, I'm gonna see him tomorrow in a scuba dive course
[13:30] <marcozambi> Michael Sacchi is parto of our (my) team :)
[13:31] <marcozambi> small world
[13:31] <marcozambi> and is also a good friend of mine
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[14:20] <HixPad> daveake: Is the pico go for tomorrow.
[14:23] <daveake> Yes, so far :)
[14:23] <HixPad> Cool, what's the prediction? Is it your birthday today?
[14:24] <daveake> I predict it is my b/d today, yes :)
[14:24] <HixPad> Happy birthday:D
[14:24] <daveake> Ta :)
[14:25] <daveake> Prediction rather depends on what it does. I'll check tonight and in the morning. If I need to launch away from here then launch time will be a bit later than planned.
[14:25] <HixPad> I have an appointment with a beergarden. Ill have one for you
[14:25] <daveake> cheers :p
[14:26] <HixPad> Bbl
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[14:47] <marcozambi> Hi there
[14:47] <griffonbot> Received email: Solar Balloonman "[UKHAS] Re: NOTAMS application"
[14:47] <marcozambi> following my previous posts
[14:48] <marcozambi> Is it possible in your experience use the TX2/RX2 radio modules instead of the NTX/RTX by radiometrics?
[14:48] <marcozambi> I mean, to transmit from the balloon
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[14:48] <marcozambi> power consumption and transmission power are the same
[14:49] <marcozambi> if i undrestood well
[14:49] <marcozambi> of course frequency is slightly different
[14:49] <marcozambi> 433.92 Mhz
[14:51] <UpuWork> I think they have been used
[14:51] <griffonbot> Received email: Solar Balloonman "[UKHAS] Re: Buzz Pico Launch"
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[14:52] <UpuWork> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:radio_modules
[14:53] <marcozambi> qsl, thanks UpuWork
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[14:58] <marcozambi> I see
[14:59] <gonzo_> I was under the impression that the NTX2 are the only ones to use the incoming data lines to modulate the TX, so you can control the shifts yourself?
[15:00] <gonzo_> Am I correct?
[15:00] <marcozambi> I've never used them
[15:00] <marcozambi> I want to build my payload based on the experience of previous guys here that uset the module
[15:01] <marcozambi> they've used arduino to pilot the data to be transmitted
[15:01] <marcozambi> and that's exactly what i need to do
[15:01] <marcozambi> so I'll stick to the ntx2 model
[15:01] <marcozambi> do you know any seller that sells online and ships to Italy?
[15:01] <marcozambi> Apparently our local distributor is out of business
[15:02] <kokey> there's a joke in there somewhere, I just can't think of it
[15:02] <marcozambi> or no longer sells radiometrix
[15:02] <kokey> marcozambi: perhaps from germany? they tend to be good for that sort of stuff
[15:02] <marcozambi> yes, there's a seller on ebay but he sells the TX2 not NTX2 model
[15:03] <marcozambi> that's why I asked few lines before
[15:03] <marcozambi> if NTX was as good as NTX, besides the different frequency
[15:03] <marcozambi> I'll google something out :)
[15:04] <navrac> upu who is often on here sells ntx2's - you can ask if he'll post to italy
[15:04] <kokey> seems like http://www.hy-line.de/ also doesn't have the NTX2
[15:05] <navrac> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=62_63
[15:06] <navrac> it says we will delivry internationally
[15:06] <navrac> good price too
[15:07] <marcozambi> thanks, taking a look right now
[15:07] <UpuWork> I can give me a sec just on phone
[15:11] <marcozambi> super nice price on ava.upuaut.net website
[15:12] <navrac> yep upu buys bits in large quantities and then sells them on to us at cost+ a little bit to help us
[15:13] <marcozambi> I see the webpage says to come on IRC to ask for ordering options
[15:13] <UpuWork> give me a few mins
[15:14] <UpuWork> ok back
[15:14] <UpuWork> yes PM
[15:14] <marcozambi> no hurry
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[15:32] <Laurenceb> http://shop.knowyourplanet.com/solar_cells/solar_cell_kits/1kw_6x6_monocrystalline_solar_cell_kit_for_diy_panel
[15:33] <kokey> just need 4 balloons to lift that
[15:34] <kokey> heh, reminds me of this guy in monmouthshire that used to sell these bits for cheap
[15:34] <marcozambi> Ok, I've just ordered my NTX2
[15:35] <marcozambi> Is there any chanche that the owner of randomsolutions, the balloons seller, is here on this IRC channel?
[15:36] <marcozambi> I need to verify the availability of a balloon in his stock
[15:37] <UpuWork> thx navrac I'd pay you commission if I was making anything :)
[15:38] <navrac> lol np - the more you sell the more likely you are to keep doing it so the more money i save
[15:38] <kokey> UpuWork I'll order a bunch of bits from you too if that helps in any way
[15:38] <UpuWork> indeed :)
[15:39] <UpuWork> all helps ! Use code UKHAS at check out and you get 10% off
[15:40] <UpuWork> and see PM for the NTX2's
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[16:01] <UpuWork> NigelMoby : http://i.imgur.com/MXVNw.jpg
[16:02] <NigeyS> oh now that is neat!!
[16:02] <jonsowman> rfm breakout?
[16:02] <UpuWork> yeah
[16:02] <NigeyS> good job upu
[16:02] <jonsowman> nice :)
[16:03] <UpuWork> if people want them
[16:03] <UpuWork> I don't have a cheap source for the RFM modules so will probably just sell the breakout PCb's
[16:04] <NigeyS> who actually makes the rfms ?
[16:04] <UpuWork> Hope RF
[16:04] <NigeyS> ahh
[16:04] <UpuWork> I'll drop them a mail and see how many RFm22B's is considered bulk
[16:05] <NigeyS> good luck! prolly something daft like 1000!
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[16:07] <UpuWork> done
[16:08] <NigeyS> nicey :D
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[16:17] <number10> that frm breakout looks nice UpuWork
[16:19] <UpuWork> cheers
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[16:53] <UpuWork> ping NigelMoby http://i.imgur.com/NU7IU.jpg inside of that BMP085
[16:53] <UpuWork> http://i.imgur.com/WcAhQ.jpg
[16:53] <NigeyS> bloody ell, talk about tiny!
[16:57] <kokey> I think your hand was shaking with soldering that one pin
[17:00] <fsphil> there's not much in there
[17:01] <kokey> but yeah, ruddy hell, tiny stuff
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[18:20] <Lunar_Lander_> HELLO
[18:20] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
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[18:24] <edmoore> Evenn
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[18:28] <AL0I_Todd> test
[18:29] <Upu> success
[18:29] <Upu> afk
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[18:34] <Lunar_Lander_> hello daveake , AL0I_Todd
[18:35] <AL0I_Todd> Hi
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander_> are you new?
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[18:36] <AL0I_Todd> No, just haven't been here in ages.
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[18:39] <AL0I_Todd> My IRC client was having problems last time I was here. Just wanted to make sure it is working now that Trans-Atlantic flights are gearing up.
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[18:42] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: RT @PBHVI PBH-18 Flight Readiness Review Complete, T-9 hours until launch #PBHVI #ARHAB #ukhas [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/183262353368948736]
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
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[19:15] <fsphil> aah, pbh are actually launching
[19:15] <fsphil> maybe
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[19:38] <fsphil-laptop> audio alarm for recovering payloads http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10966 :)
[19:40] <Lunar_Lander_> yay car horns
[19:40] <Lunar_Lander_> XD
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[19:47] <fsphil-laptop> I'm not launching, but wouldn't it be nice: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=44a9cfa3a24b121350f1d99c17ec18700784920b
[19:48] <daveake> HomingHAB
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[19:50] <F5MVO> good evening all
[19:51] <fsphil-laptop> hiya F5MVO
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander_> hello
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander_> Niels Bohr FOREVER!
[20:00] <F5MVO> good condition tomorrow for Buzz
[20:01] <daveake> Yeah, let's hope I fill it right :)
[20:02] <fsphil-laptop> no pressure
[20:02] <fsphil-laptop> er
[20:02] <daveake> :D
[20:03] <x-f> hehe, nice one
[20:03] <F5MVO> i look at : http://alerteselectroniques.fr/rs/carte_GFpolyline.php?rs_file=LARKHILL1332541030.kml
[20:03] <x-f> daveake, happy birthday! :)
[20:04] <daveake> thanks :)
[20:05] <daveake> 25 today ....
[20:05] <daveake> .... and I may be suffering from dyslexia :p
[20:05] <fsphil-laptop> 25 presents? :)
[20:05] <daveake> Only if include the HAB things that arrived !
[20:05] <daveake> if you
[20:08] <daveake> F5MVO can't get that to load. Anyone else load it?
[20:09] <Upu> works for me
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[20:11] <Laurenceb_> freaking rcds
[20:11] <Laurenceb_> just put damp toast in my toaster and blacked out the entire house
[20:12] <daveake> ok now, in IE
[20:12] Action: Upu lols @ Laurenceb
[20:12] <number10> daveake: you do a two stage prediction on habhub for pico, do you have the latest second stage prediction
[20:13] <daveake> I did :-). Different to when I showed you before. Looks like it'll head south, to France then swinging West
[20:13] <daveake> So it's not coming your way :(
[20:13] <number10> i think it may kelp F5MVO
[20:14] <number10> help
[20:16] <number10> I'll just have to eat the birthday cake I got you
[20:16] <daveake> Perhaps I need a change of plan then .... :p
[20:17] <F5MVO> daveake, is it floating balloon ?
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[20:18] <number10> is a small balloon F5MVO , but daveake will give ou details
[20:18] <daveake> hopefully, yes
[20:18] <daveake> 2 foil balloons and a small tracker
[20:18] <number10> maybe going south - could go to france daveake ?
[20:18] <daveake> could do
[20:22] <F5MVO> floating near 5000m ?
[20:22] <daveake> Yes
[20:22] <daveake> Just doing a prediction ...
[20:23] <daveake> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=8d550c1f53232b1601bf224089ce4fefdcb6ac94
[20:23] <Laurenceb_> floaters?
[20:23] <Laurenceb_> you need to flush harder
[20:23] <daveake> They are persistent
[20:24] <F5MVO> Wow
[20:25] <daveake> Quite a complicated path. Could land anywhere :)
[20:25] <fsphil-laptop> I like how it avoids london
[20:28] <Upu> International Coverage daveake : http://goo.gl/7LHKn
[20:28] <Upu> http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://alerte-radiosondes.blogspot.com/&usg=ALkJrhgMXtMoD5wDDUaoSEnJ3rP5NrtvoA
[20:28] <Upu> that oine
[20:29] <daveake> :)
[20:30] <daveake> May need some French help!
[20:30] <Upu> yeah
[20:30] <Upu> don't think I'm going to be much use up here :)
[20:31] <Matt_soton> why is there a picture of apex I launch under BUZZ? :\
[20:31] Action: fsphil-laptop sighs
[20:31] <Upu> stock photography
[20:31] Action: fsphil-laptop puts away his yagi
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander_> :(
[20:32] <F5MVO> Larkill do not take the same path at about 14000m burst !
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[20:34] <Matt_soton> btw astra was found by someone near Newport
[20:34] <F5MVO> if coming to France i track it tomorrow
[20:35] <Upu> oh cool
[20:35] <daveake> thanks!
[20:36] <F5MVO> i put the prediction on french forum for more French listener tomorrow perhaps
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[20:36] <daveake> I'll follow in the car for a while, but then I might as well go home to track
[20:37] <daveake> Thanks F5MVO, much appreciated :)
[20:38] <daveake> I just hope it doesn't burst early!
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[21:14] <Bob_G8NSV> hi all
[21:16] <Upu> evening
[21:17] <Bob_G8NSV> playing round with my FCD
[21:17] <Upu> I should get one of those
[21:17] <Bob_G8NSV> seems ok waiting to test it tom with buzz
[21:18] <Bob_G8NSV> had it on the test kit at work today, very sensitive but needs a filter for sure
[21:18] <Upu> how close are you to Buzz launch ?
[21:18] <Bob_G8NSV> christchurch if it gets a decent height should get it
[21:19] <Upu> its a pico so may get to about 5km
[21:19] <fsphil-laptop> any good filters be gotten for reasonable prices?
[21:19] <Bob_G8NSV> will be at work and using a stacked dipole array on a 50ft tower
[21:20] <Bob_G8NSV> heliax down and will need my cavity filter as its right next to a base station antenna but thats 30mhz away so the cavity filter should blat it ok
[21:20] <Bob_G8NSV> mine are off old PMR kit
[21:21] <Bob_G8NSV> fsphil-laptop pmr cavities can be had at ham rallys and junk sales
[21:23] <Bob_G8NSV> just testing souncard loopthrough to fldigi
[21:23] <Bob_G8NSV> looks ok
[21:23] <fsphil-laptop> they are great little devices
[21:24] <fsphil-laptop> you can open it directly in fldigi but it's a bit ackward to tune it
[21:24] <fsphil-laptop> as you only see 4khz
[21:24] <Bob_G8NSV> what software do you use? just testing SDR radio and it seems pretty good
[21:24] <fsphil-laptop> spectravue, but it's a fairly old laptop and seems to work a lot smoother if I skip it
[21:25] <Bob_G8NSV> that could be useful on a laptop with slow processor
[21:25] <Bob_G8NSV> tune it with fchid i presume?
[21:26] <fsphil-laptop> initially
[21:26] <fsphil-laptop> I
[21:26] <fsphil-laptop> er
[21:26] <fsphil-laptop> fldigi (maybe only on linux) can tune it directly
[21:26] <fsphil-laptop> via hamlib
[21:26] <Bob_G8NSV> I use windows
[21:26] <fsphil-laptop> it may work there but I haven't tested it
[21:26] <Bob_G8NSV> on desktops web and mailserver linux
[21:27] <fsphil-laptop> the frequency fldigi displays is wrong, but it still allows me to tune it up and down as the signal drifts
[21:27] <Bob_G8NSV> must have a play!
[21:27] <fsphil-laptop> check the hamlib list of radios, it should be listed as amsat-uk funcube dongle
[21:28] <Bob_G8NSV> do you just select the funcube as the soundcard?
[21:28] <fsphil-laptop> yes
[21:28] <Bob_G8NSV> going to try it later having a look for hamlib
[21:28] <fsphil-laptop> I use qthid to tune initially as it also sets other things like the preamps
[21:28] <fsphil-laptop> and filters
[21:29] <fsphil-laptop> hamlib should be under rig control somewhere
[21:29] <Bob_G8NSV> got it on sourceforge just reading
[21:31] <Morseman> I can recommend HDSDR over SpectraVue
[21:32] <Bob_G8NSV> loads to read before I try it!
[21:32] <Bob_G8NSV> HDSDR seems good but SDR-Radio seems ok as well
[21:33] <fsphil-laptop> it's nice to see such a broad bit of spectrum .. all amateur radios should have a display like that
[21:34] <Bob_G8NSV> SDR-radio has funcube control built in and display is nice. does not seem too greedy on cpu either
[21:34] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave Curtis "[UKHAS] Lens in Payload hole or just a hole?"
[21:37] <Morseman> I find HDSDR easier with realy weak signals like 10GHz beacons - SDR-Radio more towards HF I find
[21:38] <Morseman> I may use the Perseus with 432<>28MHz transverter and VAC to DL-Fldigi tomorrow
[21:38] <Bob_G8NSV> I had a load of agro calibrating with hdsdr last night but no bother with SDR Radio strange
[21:39] <Morseman> What were you calibrating Bob?
[21:39] <Bob_G8NSV> long time since i played with 10 ghz ham stuff!
[21:39] <Bob_G8NSV> got a nice 10ghz magnetron sat on the windowledge!!
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[21:40] <Morseman> I have a Narrowband unit with 5W on TX now-a-days - Used WBFM many years ago
[21:40] <Bob_G8NSV> tuning to a known vhf signal
[21:41] <Bob_G8NSV> will have another play tom am before buzz launches
[21:41] <Bob_G8NSV> tuned the cavity earlier in week so know thats ok
[21:41] <Morseman> Late diner here due to swimming again - so off to eat. Maybe back later
[21:42] <Bob_G8NSV> no sign of pagers withit in but can still hear all the 434mhz chirps
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[21:43] <pjm__> whats the freq + launchtime of the next hab ?
[21:43] <Bob_G8NSV> its on the tracker page
[21:43] <pjm__> ah ok will look there
[21:43] <Bob_G8NSV> tom am around 10
[21:43] <Bob_G8NSV> 434.2
[21:44] <Bob_G8NSV> they are putting the freqs on there now a good idea!
[21:44] <fsphil-laptop> too far for me, my radio gets a weekend off :)
[21:44] <Bob_G8NSV> I may be lucky newbury is not that far
[21:45] <pjm__> ah yes not too far up the road wither
[21:45] <pjm__> either..
[21:46] <Bob_G8NSV> and will use the nice tall tower at work!!
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[21:46] <fsphil-laptop> nice
[21:46] <Bob_G8NSV> shame about the UHF pmr tx on the next antenna
[21:46] <Bob_G8NSV> hoping 30 mhz is far enough away
[21:47] <fsphil-laptop> hmm
[21:47] <fsphil-laptop> I predict problems :)
[21:47] <fsphil-laptop> is it transmitting often?
[21:48] <Bob_G8NSV> the graph on the filter is giving around -30db at 10 Mhz
[21:48] <Bob_G8NSV> should be loads at 30
[21:49] <Bob_G8NSV> fairly often if ATC are busy
[21:49] <fsphil-laptop> I see the commercial FM stations repeated every few mhz
[21:50] <Bob_G8NSV> There is a high power pager site and a DAB tx about a mile from here
[21:50] <fsphil-laptop> I've since got a 2m/70cm duplexer that might help
[21:50] <fsphil-laptop> diplexer even
[21:51] <Bob_G8NSV> this is a cylindrical cavity about a foot long, also got a PMR diplexer but not set that up yet, that copes with a tx on the same antenna 6Mhz away
[21:51] <Bob_G8NSV> sorry 12
[21:51] <Bob_G8NSV> agin should cope with 30
[21:52] <Bob_G8NSV> will put the diplexer on the test kit tom am and tweak it
[21:53] <Bob_G8NSV> The big problem will be 137mhz satellite downlink that is so close to the pagers
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander_> hi heathkid
[21:55] <heathkid> hi there
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[21:57] <Bob_G8NSV> early start tom so im off for a rest see you all tom
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