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[00:21] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[00:21] <Lunar_Lander> how was the ascent?
[00:21] <Lunar_Lander> benoxley:
[00:24] <Lunar_Lander> was the payload found?
[00:24] <Lunar_Lander> and hi Upu
[00:46] <benoxley> Lunar_Lander: no idea, I've been in the pub!
[00:50] <Lunar_Lander> oh
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[01:01] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[01:12] <WhiteStarMC-13> Hello World
[01:16] <Dan-K2VOL> Hello White Star Mission Control, good to see you
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[02:51] <griffonbot> @vk5gr: @DoctorKarl See the behind the scenes video http://t.co/3zCwfJ9L of launch and recovery here #ProjectHorus http://t.co/rbwTWUOc @sgvband [http://twitter.com/vk5gr/status/180848890860417025]
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[07:39] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Data, sweet binary telemetry, warming our email inbox for the first time this year! A few 44 byte telemetry strings via Iridium. #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/180921334564528128]
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[07:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> goodmorning. any news in the launchtime?
[07:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> or is it sill morning´ish? :-)
[07:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> still
[07:46] <jonsowman> I think 1030GMT
[07:46] <jonsowman> will update topic
[07:46] #highaltitude: mode change '+o jonsowman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[07:47] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jonsowman!jonsowman@kryten.hexoc.com: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk - XABEN Launch ~1030GMT 17/03/12 from Suffolk
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[07:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thanks jonsowman
[07:55] <jonsowman> no problem :)
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[08:09] Action: fsphil_2I0VIM rubs eyes
[08:09] <fsphil_2I0VIM> sunshine!
[08:09] <UpuHome> rainrise here
[08:10] Nick change: UpuHome -> Upu_2E0UPU
[08:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok good luck with the launch, i have to leave, but my frind niels will try to track from DK, if it should head over here.
[08:13] <Upu_2E0UPU> cheers Brian
[08:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> cheers
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[08:17] <fsphil_2I0VIM> benoxley, how many astra launches where there yesterday?
[08:19] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-TCO2IdoTA
[08:26] <fsphil_2I0VIM> human payloads
[08:26] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I'd love to do that, except for the jumping part
[08:27] <earthshine> Morning
[08:27] <fsphil_2I0VIM> mornin earthshine
[08:28] <earthshine> Xaben still planning on launching today?
[08:30] <x-f> Baumgartner's jump is a waste of helium (imho)
[08:31] <fsphil_2I0VIM> totally ot: http://www.burtonmackenzie.com/2009/02/sun-as-seen-from.html
[08:33] <number10> as far as we know earthshine
[08:34] <earthshine> Where is it launching from? There is nothing about this launch on the UKHAS website.
[08:36] <jonsowman> see channel topic
[08:37] <x-f> launch dates on spacenearus are wrong - today is 17th, sunday is 18th
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[08:38] <jonsowman> you are correct x-f
[08:38] <jonsowman> Upu_2E0UPU: ^
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[08:44] <Upu_2E0UPU> meh
[08:45] <Upu_2E0UPU> my issue is I don't actually know what day it is
[08:45] <Upu_2E0UPU> fixed
[08:45] <jonsowman> haha
[08:45] <jonsowman> thanks
[08:45] <daveake> can you fix it for me?
[08:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> depends what it is
[08:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> if you want to sit on my knee and tell me a sob story about how you want to be an astronaut no
[08:46] <daveake> :-)
[08:46] <daveake> Nah, just what day it ;s )
[08:46] Action: Upu_2E0UPU looks out of the window
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[08:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> March
[08:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> for sure
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[08:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> takes a deep breath as I suspect this next question will stir things up
[08:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> if I want to vertically polarize a yagi
[08:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> brains gone again whats the bit that connects the antenna to the house ?
[08:48] <daveake> In my case, sticky tape :p
[08:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol
[08:48] <daveake> Not helping am I?
[08:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> mast
[08:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> fibre glass mast for that bit ?
[08:49] <daveake> Yes, musn't be metal. I was looking for those myself but couldn't find any.
[08:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> the mast attachment is offset from the elements
[08:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> and doesn't obsure
[08:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> I'll go take some pics back soon
[08:50] <jonsowman> it can be metal as long as the thing attaching the yagi to the mast is reasonably long and is perpendicular to both boom and elements
[08:50] <jonsowman> what you want to avoid is the attaching post acting like another element for the yagi
[08:51] <jonsowman> making it perpendicular to boom and elements does so
[08:51] <jonsowman> obviously if you can manage something non-metal then all the better
[08:51] <daveake> ah, didn't know that.
[08:53] <jonsowman> antennas are magic
[08:54] <jonsowman> hence this kind of thing (like TV antennas on houses) is acceptable http://gbantennes.com/images/8elm%202m%20Yagi.JPG
[08:54] <daveake> Indeed.
[08:55] <daveake> Yeah, anytime I see someone say "just make your own yagi" I look at one, note the different gaps and lrod lengths, and think "f that"
[08:56] <jonsowman> they are a bit of a pain
[08:56] <jonsowman> there are calculators online, and I know people have successfully constructed them
[08:56] <daveake> I wondered myself if a metal mast going into the centre of a yagi was ok, and someone here said no it needs to not be metal, hence my comment earlier
[08:56] <jonsowman> you need an ATU or SWR meter to be sure that what you've made is useful
[08:57] <jonsowman> daveake: it's non-optimal but it's pretty good
[08:57] <daveake> 'cos my latest yagi is too heavy to hang off my mast if I fix to the back end
[08:57] <daveake> ok
[08:57] <jonsowman> right must dash, bbl
[08:57] <daveake> I thought that if they have to be not metal, then you must be able to easily buy non-metal ones, but couldn't find any
[08:58] <daveake> bb
[08:59] <number10> raining a little here
[09:00] <number10> Mrs #10 is doing bacon sandwich
[09:00] <daveake> mmmmbacon
[09:00] <number10> she is not getting into hab habits Its just a coincidence
[09:00] <daveake> lol
[09:01] <number10> thats what she told me when I assumed it was an ongoing event
[09:01] <daveake> :)
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[09:02] <benoxley> fsphil_2I0VIM: there were 3 launches
[09:02] <benoxley> plus the met office launch
[09:04] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ah
[09:06] <benoxley> busy day
[09:06] <benoxley> they picked up the second payload at 2am
[09:06] <benoxley> and left the radio telem payload until last
[09:07] <benoxley> which obviously leaves little chance of finding it
[09:07] <fsphil_2I0VIM> haha
[09:07] <fsphil_2I0VIM> esp. with the weakened signal. so no gsm backup on that?
[09:08] <benoxley> yup :(
[09:08] <benoxley> to be fair, I don't know that they didn't go and try to find the radio payload first...
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[09:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> back
[09:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> i.imgur.com/j7EoX.jpg
[09:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> there you go
[09:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> and before all the HAM's heads explode with fury I'm not really using a bit of wood
[09:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> thats just to steady the antenna
[09:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> so question is : fibre glass mast there ?
[09:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> or just use aluminum and cut it short
[09:19] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave "Re: [UKHAS] Re: NOTAMS"
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[09:22] <Morseman> What bit of wood Upu? I probably missed a URL just before I signed in
[09:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> i.imgur.com/j7EoX.jpg
[09:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://i.imgur.com/j7EoX.jpg
[09:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> might make it clickable
[09:23] <Morseman> AH - Thanks - at least it wont interfere with the radiation pattern ;-)
[09:24] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol no but I doubt it will stay up too long either :)
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[09:33] <F1src> Hello, have a good flight for the Xaben today, rain here in south Britanny, grid square IN87
[09:33] <Morseman> A metal one might make some difference to pattern but then so will the rotator unit if you mount it that close and any other metal pole near it
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[09:34] <jcoxon> hey guys
[09:34] <Morseman> If the driven element is far enough away difference might be minimal
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[09:35] <F1src> Hello James
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[09:38] <Upu_2E0UPU> morning James
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[09:39] <Upu_2E0UPU> not sure how close to mount it Morseman really
[09:39] <Upu_2E0UPU> going to need some sort of counter on the otherside
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[09:40] <Morseman> If you can get the rotator outside the capture area = better
[09:40] <Upu_2E0UPU> ok
[09:40] <Morseman> http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek/stacking/stacking2.htm
[09:41] <Upu_2E0UPU> might not be possible but I'll see
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[09:42] <Morseman> The 'vertical' (or in your case horizontal) zone may not be that great on 70cm
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[09:43] <Upu_2E0UPU> Optimized stacking distance = 1.25m
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[09:49] <Morseman> I'm planning a short stub to have vertical on one side and horizontal polarisation on other
[09:50] <Morseman> At moment 13 ele for 70cm on a single metal pole
[09:50] <Morseman> Main problem seems to be I didn't bolt it on 'straight' so it's 10 degrees off beam heading in comparison with the 23cm one above it...
[09:52] <Morseman> Should have checked but when you are above the house with a spanner and it's getting windy you don't always worry about such things...
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[09:53] <Morseman> Nearly time to collect Megan - will leave radio on 434.074 +1000Hz and see if it captures anything
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[09:55] <Bob_G8NSV> morning all
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[09:58] <Morseman> No XABEN0 in the list though - not even when select "show test docs"
[09:58] <Morseman> GM GBb_G8NSV
[09:58] <Morseman> GM Bob_G8NSV - even
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[09:59] <Bob_G8NSV> morning morseman
[09:59] <Bob_G8NSV> all ready to listen out for xaben
[10:00] <Bob_G8NSV> not showing on tracker yet?
[10:00] <Morseman> No, just setiing up frequency adjustment in case it will track whilst I'm not here
[10:01] <Bob_G8NSV> interesting, how are you doing that?
[10:02] <Morseman> I hope it's 50baud 7/none/1 at 425 width as that's all I have for XABEN at present
[10:02] <Bob_G8NSV> xaben 0 its in fldigi it seems to be 50/425
[10:03] <Morseman> "DL-Client" - "Tracking" under 'Configure' and 'Modems'
[10:03] <Bob_G8NSV> thought you meant some automatic adjustment sorry
[10:03] <Bob_G8NSV> the afc seems very limited
[10:04] <Morseman> I think it should do that "Adjust the radio frequency to keep the signal inside the specified limits"
[10:04] <Morseman> I have CAT switched on of course
[10:04] <Bob_G8NSV> thats why mine wont then, no CAT!! old manual tuned radio
[10:04] <Morseman> AH!
[10:05] <jcoxon> its XABEN
[10:05] <Bob_G8NSV> audio afc should track within limits tho surely?
[10:06] <Bob_G8NSV> or does it tune the radio to keep the audio in passband?
[10:06] Nick change: number10 -> number10_M0MDB
[10:06] <Morseman> Should do but I found if the signal goes below about 600Hz the audio goes too low for the AFC to manage
[10:07] <Morseman> I'm hoping this new setting will alter the radio freq up or down to keep it inside the passband
[10:07] <number10_M0MDB> I think the tracker is saying XABEN0 jcoxon
[10:08] <Morseman> Tracker site is saying XABEN0 number_10_M0MDB
[10:08] <number10_M0MDB> thats what I just said
[10:08] <number10_M0MDB> :)
[10:09] <jcoxon> yeah but i'm by the payload
[10:09] <jcoxon> hehe
[10:09] <jcoxon> its XABEN
[10:09] <Morseman> Kate is nearly ready for us to go - will be back in about an hour or so (ISH)
[10:09] <number10_M0MDB> lol
[10:09] <jcoxon> might need an update
[10:09] <Morseman> number_10_M0MDB You said "I think" I'm saying "I know" ;-)
[10:09] <Bob_G8NSV> just reconfigured for xaben
[10:10] <number10_M0MDB> yes but jcoxon definitelly knows
[10:10] <number10_M0MDB> definately
[10:10] <Morseman> That's now saying XABE on spacenear.us
[10:10] <Morseman> XABEN - even
[10:10] <jcoxon> just to warn we'll need to wait for a gap in the rain
[10:10] <jcoxon> so there is a high chance of delays
[10:10] <Morseman> rain!?
[10:10] <daveake> Wet stuff falls from the sky
[10:11] <Morseman> Cloudy but bright and no rain here
[10:11] <Morseman> I'll get the 10GHz gear out then...
[10:11] <Bob_G8NSV> sun trying to shine here but struggling through clouds
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[10:12] <Morseman> It's saying "Select 'XABEN0' in DL-FLdigi" again now
[10:13] <Morseman> Cambridge or Suffolk? The original email mentions both sites
[10:15] <x-f> Suffolk
[10:18] <Morseman> OK that will delay AoS here - HI
[10:19] <jcoxon> ock
[10:19] <jcoxon> lock*
[10:19] <fsphil_2I0VIM> Morseman, the new dl-flgidi will retune the radio as the AFC adjusts
[10:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> format is XABEN0 ?
[10:20] <fsphil_2I0VIM> if rig control is configured anyway
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[10:21] <jcoxon> filling
[10:22] <eroomde> morning
[10:22] <eroomde> g'luck
[10:22] <G0DJA> That's messed it up - looks like we are going to Kate's daughters so will be 'unattended' op here
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[10:26] <Bob_G8NSV> 2e0upu xaben according to jcoxon who is stood by it!
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[10:28] <fsphil_2I0VIM> nice launch site
[10:33] <Upu_2E0UPU> oh ok mail said XABEN0 format, I'll change it
[10:34] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ah, I've configured mine for xaben0
[10:38] <jcoxon> tying the balloon off
[10:42] <fsphil_2I0VIM> pressure and temperature are both zero -- no sensors on this flight?
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[10:50] <jcoxon> up
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[10:51] <fsphil_2I0VIM> on the map
[10:51] <fsphil_2I0VIM> hehe, this is going to be a long flight
[10:52] <fsphil_2I0VIM> take that back, it's speeding up nicely
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[10:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> dial frequency ?
[10:53] <jcoxon> 07310
[10:53] <fsphil_2I0VIM> M0MDB must be nearby. at hte launch site?
[10:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> ta
[10:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> good luck
[10:53] <number10_M0MDB> not far away
[10:53] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ah!
[10:54] <fsphil_2I0VIM> didn't recognise it
[10:54] <Upu_2E0UPU> its our new M0
[10:54] <number10_M0MDB> :) but at home
[10:54] <fsphil_2I0VIM> shiny
[10:54] <number10_M0MDB> lol
[10:54] <fsphil_2I0VIM> although I always associate MDB with an unreliable database format :)
[10:54] <number10_M0MDB> :(
[10:55] <fsphil_2I0VIM> hey my callsign is a text editor that I can't even use half time
[10:56] <Upu_2E0UPU> haha
[10:56] <number10_M0MDB> your going to possibly change it soon though fsphil_2I0VIM
[10:57] <number10_M0MDB> in may we hope
[10:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> the local QRM on 075 round here sounds like someone is stabbing a hamster every 10 seconds
[10:58] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I must check if the other club here is doing the exam. I don't think they are
[11:00] <fsphil_2I0VIM> callsigns are easier when you have a middle name
[11:00] <number10_M0MDB> my initials are DMB M0 has been going a while
[11:01] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ah
[11:02] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I think some G0 callsigns are still available
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[11:02] <number10_M0MDB> looked up a few on QRZ before hand, but when came to register those were gone
[11:02] <number10_M0MDB> did not realise G0s were still available
[11:03] <number10_M0MDB> F5APQ is doing well
[11:04] <Upu_2E0UPU> can see it
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[11:04] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I hope I decode this as well as astra yesterday
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[11:05] <_Hix> oooh think its coming....
[11:06] <daveake> Yeah should have it here soon
[11:06] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I'm so excited
[11:07] <daveake> 075 is always noiser here
[11:07] <fsphil_2I0VIM> (just adding that so people who just joined and don't know the context will be wondering wtf)
[11:07] <_Hix> I couldnt get a bnc plug yesterday so I've jammed coax into RX socket... :|
[11:07] <daveake> Silly QRM killed 1 char
[11:07] <Laurenceb_> heading for Niels
[11:07] <daveake> OOer, I used a ham term. Halfway there then
[11:07] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ah, I've done that plenty of times _Hix :)
[11:08] <fsphil_2I0VIM> have you talked about your health on the air yet daveake?
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[11:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> I'm getting almost clear here
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[11:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> oh there you go
[11:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> got one
[11:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> take that local QRM
[11:08] <daveake> Not yet, but then my memory ain't what it used to be ... :p
[11:08] <fsphil_2I0VIM> lol
[11:09] <number10_M0MDB> you will be growing a beard soon daveake
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[11:09] <Upu_2E0UPU> you see this is why 50 baud is better
[11:09] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I thought it was only unix gurus that need a beard?
[11:09] <daveake> I was going to go to the local radio ham meeting where they had a talk on satellite comms ...
[11:10] <NigelMoby> can't load map on moby, which way is it headed upu?
[11:10] <Upu_2E0UPU> "wet stuff"
[11:10] <daveake> .... then I saw the beard quotient on their mugshot page. Put me right off :D
[11:10] <NigelMoby> uhoh lol
[11:10] <Upu_2E0UPU> however it if does float
[11:10] <Upu_2E0UPU> OZ1SKY
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[11:12] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[11:12] <Laurenceb_> lined up perfectly
[11:12] <daveake> 1st green one
[11:12] <number10_M0MDB> cleats ok daveake ?
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[11:12] <daveake> Didn't use them
[11:13] <daveake> In a hurry / seemed fiddly / the lines are so long so I need to cut them
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[11:13] <daveake> I'll try tomorrow
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[11:19] <_Hix> $$XABEN,235,11:18:59,52.32383,1.07464,5011,0.0,0.00,4;5;F00;1.1*674E
[11:19] <_Hix> but not green?
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[11:21] <GW8RAK> Can hear RTTY and yet the blue circle isn't with me yet
[11:21] <number10_M0MDB> have you selected the correct payload _Hix ?
[11:21] <_Hix> XABEN?
[11:21] <number10_M0MDB> yep
[11:22] <daveake> The gap is a bit less than the doc says. I'm on 390 here
[11:22] <_Hix> but the wterfall has gone reight over to the right of theblue
[11:22] <daveake> You need it not to close to the edge
[11:22] <daveake> especially the left IME
[11:23] <GW8RAK> Retune a bit to bring the audio back to centre
[11:24] <_Hix> Bingo!!! First ever green decode.
[11:25] <daveake> 4.5m/s ... might escape the float then :)
[11:25] <GW8RAK> Never had even a partial decode at this altitude and range before.
[11:25] <GW8RAK> Not even over the horizon apparently
[11:25] <Upu_2E0UPU> its a very strong signal
[11:25] <daveake> Steve's a usually pretty good
[11:25] <daveake> are
[11:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah probably made out of Oak they've been round so long
[11:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> :)
[11:26] <Bob_G8NSV> can just about hear it down in the noise
[11:27] <MrCraig> Grats _Hix
[11:27] <Bob_G8NSV> something anyway sounds like rtty
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[11:27] <_Hix> :D
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[11:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> F6AGV almost live updating his blog :
[11:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Falerte-radiosondes.blogspot.com%2F2012%2F03%2Factualite-ballons-radioamateurs.html&act=url
[11:31] <Upu_2E0UPU> I love the way google translate translates "burst" in to "plop"
[11:31] <daveake> lol
[11:31] <daveake> I'm plopping to have a plop
[11:31] <Upu_2E0UPU> too much information :)
[11:32] <daveake> :D
[11:33] <Upu_2E0UPU> ascent now 5.3
[11:33] <Upu_2E0UPU> ah blip come down again
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[11:36] <eroomde> what's the payload on this one?
[11:37] <_Hix> my current setup is so heath robinson it's funny
[11:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> just a tracker
[11:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> I think
[11:37] <Darkside> what radio?
[11:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> be an NTX2 I suspect
[11:37] <Darkside> mm ok
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[11:38] <_Hix> is shift more like 380/70?
[11:38] <Upu_2E0UPU> I'm @ 375
[11:38] <Upu_2E0UPU> possibly less now
[11:39] <_Hix> cool getting hang of it
[11:39] <daveake> It'll be an NTX2; the RFM22B shift doesn't change
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[11:43] <_Hix> Heath robinson eat yer heart out http://widerimage.co.uk/docs/IMAG0534.jpg
[11:43] <BrainDamage> I take the small altar is a fundamental part of the setup
[11:44] <GW8RAK> Where's the gaffa tape?
[11:44] <_Hix> thought about it, but that would get me neutered
[11:44] <MrCraig> is there some trick to this decoding business that I'm missing :-/ even on the yagi can't get a clean decodable signal
[11:45] <daveake> YOu're giving Upu's secrets away - that's almost the exact pattern of stones he uses for his woowoo generator
[11:45] <GW8RAK> Can you see the signal on the waterfall MrCraig?
[11:45] <MrCraig> I see it but it doesn't look defined - not like when I turn on my own payload in the room.
[11:45] <fsphil_2I0VIM> the first rule of woo woo, you do not talk about woo woo
[11:46] <GW8RAK> Define defined? Can you see both frequencies?
[11:46] <MrCraig> that'd be no
[11:47] <GW8RAK> Is the signal in the middle of the blue display?
[11:47] <MrCraig> yes
[11:47] <GW8RAK> Adjust the radio tuning until you can see two lines and hear the audio
[11:48] <GW8RAK> Does it sound like RTTY or have you tuned to a spurious signal? (I only ask as I've done that)
[11:48] <GW8RAK> First green one!
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[11:48] <chris_99> RTTY looks like wavey lines doesn't it
[11:49] <_Hix> if a bird perches on my antenna they're gonna get a shock :D
[11:49] <GW8RAK> Not particularly,
[11:49] <fsphil_2I0VIM> rtty looks like two lines, and depending on the payload it may wander about a bit
[11:49] <fsphil_2I0VIM> but don't count on it
[11:49] <MrCraig> what I'm getting appears around 434.070.3 that about right?
[11:50] <_Hix> 434.0744 here
[11:50] <daveake> chris_99 On this payload you get 1 line for a few seconds between sentences. So if you see 2 lines then briefly 1 then 2 again, that'll probably be it
[11:50] <GW8RAK> No, 434.0748
[11:50] <GW8RAK> With audio around 1900Hz
[11:50] <chris_99> aha gotcha
[11:51] <GW8RAK> Got it now MrCraig?
[11:53] <MrCraig> nope - at 434.074-434.075 I get nothing
[11:54] <GW8RAK> USB?
[11:54] <GW8RAK> Which radio do you have?
[11:54] <MrCraig> I've tried on LSB and USB - Yaesu FT-790r
[11:54] <GW8RAK> 790 on USB should be more than sensitive enough. Where are you?
[11:55] <MrCraig> Leatherhead - Mole Valley (the valley bit may be the problem as I've always suspected)
[11:55] <eroomde> yes
[11:56] <GW8RAK> Would have to be a deep valley. Not been to that part of the world in years
[11:56] <eroomde> drive atop a hill and see if you get an improvement
[11:57] <chris_99> this balloon is almost over the sea right?
[11:57] <GW8RAK> Which is the only way to really prove everything is working
[11:58] <MrCraig> well that was my thinking with a payload at 15.6k a valley shouldn't make so much difference. (I'm not mobile right now eroomde, but I'll get setup that way soon)
[11:58] <eroomde> well, it just depends on the payload's elevation relative to you and the elevation of the hills reletive to you
[11:59] <GW8RAK> But the balloon is less than 5 degrees above the horizon at yours so a hill in the way could shield you
[12:00] <MrCraig> :-/ well that explains it. This location has always sucked
[12:01] <GW8RAK> I doubt it's as bad as a friends. He has hills rising 600ft either side of him and about 500m away
[12:01] <MrCraig> ouch
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[12:04] <MrCraig> oh well - I guess I'll watch on the tracker while getting the insurance details from that woman that hit my car yesterday.
[12:04] Action: MrCraig offers to make a round of tea's
[12:04] <GW8RAK> Shame the accident broke your radio which was in the car at the time
[12:04] <fsphil_2I0VIM> yea that was pretty bad luck
[12:04] <MrCraig> yeah - I'm going to need a new one, and a huge mast
[12:05] <GW8RAK> Was that in the car as well?
[12:05] <MrCraig> lol of course, I was on the way home from the store with it at the time.
[12:05] <daveake> So was that new house on the top of a hill
[12:06] <GW8RAK> lol
[12:06] <MrCraig> hmm, be tough to get a yacht in the boot too.
[12:06] <GW8RAK> I live on top of a big hill in perfect countryside for radio, but it's bloody cold up here. Can't have it all ways
[12:06] <_Hix> as much of a shock as it may seem to some of you, my antenna has some rotational issues from time to time
[12:08] <eroomde> what kind of issues?
[12:09] <GW8RAK> Fell out the window?
[12:09] <fsphil_2I0VIM> bird strike?
[12:10] <eroomde> tell me about your parents
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[12:12] <_Hix> lets just say it tried to correct itself for the adjustment in payload bearing :D
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[12:13] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol
[12:14] <_Hix> damn the tracking nipple on my thjinkpad is RF noisy
[12:16] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: Xaben in the air, calling danish and dutch listeners #ukhas #arhab [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/180991030697525248]
[12:20] <Laurenceb_> whats the custom thing?
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[12:21] <_Hix> shift @~345?
[12:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> yep
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[12:23] <_Hix> hmm lots of bad packets - can't think what on earth could be causing them :)
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[12:23] <fsphil_2I0VIM> can just about hear it now.. been on the waterfall for a while though
[12:24] <griffonbot> @tenbus_uk: Rt @jamescoxon: Xaben in the air, calling danish and dutch listeners #ukhas #arhab [http://twitter.com/tenbus_uk/status/180993063219511297]
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[12:25] <cuddykid> eroomde: have you got your iPad yet?
[12:25] <cuddykid> didn't realise there was a flight today! :D
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[12:26] <_Hix> ha yagi adjusted by an accurate amount and green again :D
[12:26] <griffonbot> @DutchMillbt: RT @jamescoxon: Xaben in the air, calling danish and dutch listeners #ukhas #arhab [http://twitter.com/DutchMillbt/status/180993487171354624]
[12:26] <eroomde> cuddykid: not yet
[12:26] <eroomde> am at work atm
[12:26] <eroomde> doing some hedgehog
[12:26] <eroomde> but going to loindon tomorrow
[12:26] <cuddykid> nice!
[12:26] <eroomde> so might visit the apple store
[12:26] <cuddykid> I've just checked comet/pc world - most have stock
[12:27] <cuddykid> shouldn't have an issue grabbing one
[12:27] <Udin_SHARP> good morning everyone
[12:27] <_Hix> hi Udin_SHARP
[12:28] <Udin_SHARP> did anyone actually manage to find astra yet?
[12:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> hi Sharp
[12:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> Err Udin
[12:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> no news
[12:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> ready for your launch tomorrow ?
[12:29] <Udin_SHARP> we are just putting everything together
[12:29] <Upu_2E0UPU> cool well good luck will be tracking
[12:29] <Upu_2E0UPU> going to get a bite to eat before it gets interesting...
[12:29] <_Hix> pop?
[12:29] <Upu_2E0UPU> eh
[12:29] <Upu_2E0UPU> thats wierd
[12:30] <_Hix> $$$$$XABEN,446,12:29:19,52.96029,1.94919,25684,0.0,0.00,Descending*CD23
[12:30] <jcoxon> descent?
[12:30] <jcoxon> how strange
[12:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> did it have a pyro on it ?
[12:30] <eroomde> just as i was about to get the antenna up
[12:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah coming down
[12:30] <daveake> eh what?
[12:30] <jcoxon> no pyro
[12:30] <daveake> Wasn't me I was building a payload :D
[12:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> its coming down
[12:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> afk a few
[12:31] <_Hix> daveake, 0.00,Descending*CD23
[12:31] <daveake> Yeah I see the rate (more relaible than the "descending message which can happen during a float)
[12:32] <fsphil_2I0VIM> hmm
[12:32] <daveake> That's a rather slow descent rate for that alt
[12:34] <eroomde> gosh yes
[12:34] <_Hix> s the doppler type effect due to tumbling/spinning?
[12:34] <fsphil_2I0VIM> yea
[12:34] <_Hix> ahh
[12:34] <fsphil_2I0VIM> the antenna orientation is changing quite quickly
[12:34] <jcoxon> very strange
[12:34] <jcoxon> easy launch
[12:34] <daveake> through a rain cloud?
[12:35] <jcoxon> might have got a bit wet on ascent through clouds
[12:35] <jcoxon> wasn't raining at the time
[12:35] <eroomde> the gods of altitude records are fickle
[12:35] <daveake> sounds likely
[12:35] <eroomde> they were just playing chess
[12:35] <daveake> lol
[12:35] <eroomde> you lost
[12:35] <daveake> And my aim is true :p
[12:35] <Darkside> we tried for an altitude record and ended up floating across the country
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[12:37] <daveake> Buzz2 was a difficult launch (very windy at times) and was overfilled (>6m/s). I was lucky
[12:37] <jcoxon> really bad spinning
[12:38] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: RT @jamescoxon: Xaben in the air, calling danish and dutch listeners #ukhas #arhab [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/180996504490741760]
[12:38] <cuddykid> need to get fldigi on the iPad now!
[12:39] <daveake> I wonder if he's got most of the balloon still attached, working as a parachute
[12:39] <jcoxon> or large leak
[12:39] <cuddykid> hmm
[12:39] <cuddykid> rather odd
[12:39] <daveake> but then why would it spin so much?
[12:39] <cuddykid> one mahoosive tangle?
[12:40] <eroomde> unstable chute?
[12:40] <_Hix> chute tangles in balloon shreds
[12:40] <_Hix> -d
[12:42] <_Hix> Why when I go to RS can I not ever just buy what i need and checkout - I always have to try and justify the trip (to the site :) )
[12:43] <_Hix> and keep adding more stuff
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[12:44] <daveake> I guess Steve sends all the good 1600's to his customers :p
[12:44] <Laurenceb_> cuddykid> need to get fldigi on the iPad now!
[12:44] <Laurenceb_> not going to happen
[12:46] <cuddykid> i know :(
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[12:46] <cuddykid> would be good though!
[12:47] <Dutch-Mill> mmm...diff to decode : ?$$$$$$XABN,497,12:46:18.53.06056,2.16123,15087,0.0,0.00,5;5;880;1.1*77FE
[12:47] <cuddykid> you can feed audio into iPad - but someone would need to write a custom app to decode
[12:48] <Laurenceb_> and get it approved
[12:48] <fsphil_2I0VIM> can you feed audio directly into an ipad? the mic wouldn't really be ideal
[12:48] <Laurenceb_> i dont like tablets anyway
[12:48] <_Hix> Dutch-Mill, not had green for a while now
[12:49] <cuddykid> fsphil_2I0VIM - yep
[12:49] <daveake> I'm just getting some text. Nowhere near a full decode
[12:50] <daveake> And as I say that, nearly got one
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[13:00] <jcoxon> its on the balloon still
[13:00] <jcoxon> -5m/s at 10km alt
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[13:04] <jcoxon> -4m/s
[13:05] <Upu_2E0UPU> so what happened there then ?
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[13:06] <jcoxon> anyone Jijdaar?
[13:06] <_Hix> ouch - Yagi just did 9.81m/s
[13:06] <jcoxon> getting good decodes
[13:06] <Upu_2E0UPU> Getting decodes now I retuned
[13:06] <Upu_2E0UPU> AFC seems to have given up
[13:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> what sized parachute is on it ?
[13:09] <jcoxon> 24inch
[13:09] <jcoxon> xform
[13:09] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Rather late to the party here... I'll see whether I can get tracking...
[13:09] <jcoxon> must be some balloon
[13:09] <jcoxon> and some lift
[13:09] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.075 ~ 325 shift
[13:09] <Upu_2E0UPU> so we thing balloon is still partially inflated ?
[13:09] <Upu_2E0UPU> think
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[13:10] <SamSilver_> was it a single payload or a string?
[13:10] <jcoxon> yup
[13:10] <SamSilver_> mulit
[13:11] <jcoxon> SamSilver_, thanks for the pen :-D
[13:11] <SamSilver_> you like and can you use it
[13:11] <Upu_2E0UPU> sounds like its spinning
[13:12] <jcoxon> SamSilver_, for writing yes
[13:12] <jcoxon> not sure if it'll go into a vein
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[13:14] <LazyLeopard> Rather doubt I'll get any decodes without the yagi though...
[13:16] <_Hix> Think the hills to my NE have killed it all now
[13:17] Action: LazyLeopard can hear it, mostly...
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[13:17] <LazyLeopard> ...but mostly not strongly enough to decode.
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[13:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> shift now about 345
[13:23] <eroomde> Upu_2E0UPU: are you on the colinear or the beasting woo-yagi?
[13:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> Colinear still
[13:24] <Upu_2E0UPU> signal is clear as a bell only reason I'm loosing packets is the local noise
[13:25] <Upu_2E0UPU> something happened
[13:25] <Upu_2E0UPU> just gone really bad
[13:25] <eroomde> hit by a plane?
[13:25] <Graham_G3VZV> signal has gone all wibbly wobbly and weak here
[13:25] <Upu_2E0UPU> yes
[13:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> sounds like its spinning very very quick
[13:26] <benoxley> what is the dial freq?
[13:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.074
[13:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> loosing it here
[13:26] <benoxley> thanks
[13:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> its coming and going
[13:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> mainly going
[13:27] <Graham_G3VZV> it shud be going below my horizon but I cans till hear it weakly
[13:27] <Upu_2E0UPU> but really sounds like its got a right spin on
[13:27] <jcoxon> can't decode here
[13:27] <Graham_G3VZV> 4294 metres
[13:27] <Upu_2E0UPU> 4200 meters
[13:27] <Graham_G3VZV> sorry meant 4204
[13:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> gone
[13:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> for me
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[13:28] <jcoxon> gone for me
[13:28] <jcoxon> and i'm closer
[13:28] <jcoxon> anyone?
[13:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> what went wrong there then ?
[13:29] Nick change: Upu_2E0UPU -> Upu
[13:29] Nick change: number10_M0MDB -> number10
[13:30] <Graham_G3VZV> lost it now completely - dest dx 280km
[13:31] <_Hix> I've put the upcoming launches in calendar
[13:31] <_Hix> https://www.google.com/calendar/ical/2jir2ip3ed2shpshrss80n2hss%40group.calendar.google.com/private-e6c33e852ebb0d4987504129f42ef22e/basic.ics
[13:31] <_Hix> Shall I put the link on the wiki? I can add people if they wish so they can edit the calendar too
[13:34] <jcoxon> more tangling perhaps
[13:34] <jcoxon> bbl
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[13:45] <daveake> Now this is how to do a sea landing :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aCOyOvOw5c
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[13:45] <daveake> Worth switching to HD, full screen and wind up the volume :)
[13:57] <_Hix> the supersonic transition was pretty cool
[13:57] <daveake> Yes, loved that bit
[13:58] <_Hix> and the high altitude falling was pretty eerie
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[14:02] <Udin_SHARP> lost contact?
[14:03] <_Hix> http://widerimage.co.uk/calendar/
[14:03] <_Hix> launches will be here if anyone needs a record
[14:04] <daveake> "you do not have the permission to view them."
[14:04] <daveake> Can't we have a calendar linked to the froup so anyone in the mailing list can add their own launches?
[14:04] <daveake> group even
[14:05] <_Hix> been trying to see if soemone cando it....
[14:05] <daveake> Would be ideal
[14:05] <_Hix> yup
[14:05] <_Hix> what cant you view dave?
[14:05] <daveake> Otherwise one person has to do the maintenance, or has to add everyone else as editors
[14:06] <daveake> The calendar. It says ... "UKHAS Launch Calendar Events from one or more calendars could not be shown here because you do not have the permission to view them."
[14:06] <_Hix> hmm
[14:08] <_Hix> try again
[14:08] <SpeedEvil> Seems to work
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> The sites mentioned are not the usuals - is there permission?
[14:10] <_Hix> ? Next week yeah its Upu
[14:10] <_Hix> tomorrow ?
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[14:11] <SpeedEvil> I diddn't remember a site in Berkshire
[14:13] <daveake> If the wind/weather is OK, Upu and I are launching 2 balloons from Berks next Saturday. Sme site as my previous 5 flights.
[14:13] <_Hix> daveake, is launching there too - him and Upu
[14:13] <SpeedEvil> ah
[14:13] Action: SpeedEvil is not properly awake
[14:13] <daveake> :)
[14:14] <NigeyS> omg
[14:14] <NigeyS> italy are beating Scotland :|
[14:14] <SpeedEvil> Not in heart disease.
[14:14] <NigeyS> lol
[14:14] <NigeyS> u watching the welsh match speeedy ?
[14:15] <SpeedEvil> I don't generally watch any sports.
[14:16] <_Hix> Bugger - totally forgot. I'm off to the pub :)
[14:16] <NigeyS> i'm not a hugely sporty person either, but ill watch the welsh international rugby matches
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[14:24] <eroomde> cuddykid: do you have yours yet?
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[14:52] <Morseman> Looks like the auto tune managed to capture a few good decodes whilst I wasn't here
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[15:00] <Morseman> Seems quiet on here
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[15:07] <cuddykid> eroomde: yup, got 5& lol
[15:07] <cuddykid> eroomde: only 1 for myself though
[15:07] <cuddykid> :P
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[15:09] <cuddykid> eroomde: if you pick up from comet/curries/pc world - do a click and collect online and go through quidco to get £10 (for comet) cashback :D
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[15:12] <cuddykid> only problem with the new iPad is the monster battery takes FOREVER to charge
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[15:13] <cuddykid> it's taken 3hrs for about 10%
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[15:15] <Laurenceb_> lmao
[15:16] <Laurenceb_> might be a bit different for first charge
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[15:20] <cuddykid> no, it's because the battery is humongous :(
[15:21] <cuddykid> more than double the battery of the previous one
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[15:28] <Morseman> Hummm... I appear on the spacenear.us tracker but none of my decodes seem to be in the database for today
[15:30] <Morseman> Wonder why not?
[15:31] <Randomskk> Morseman: callsign?
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[15:33] <Randomskk> Morseman: and payload callsign? (XABEN? XABEN0 or anything?)
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[15:35] <fsphil> Morseman, the new dl-fldigi you use won't appear on the view.php page
[15:37] <Randomskk> however here's all the recent XABEN data, with receivers http://localhost:5984/habitat/_design/habitat/_view/payload_telemetry?startkey=[%22XABEN%22,1331978344]&endkey=[%22XABEN%22,%22end%22]&include_docs=true
[15:37] <Randomskk> wait
[15:37] <Randomskk> I keep doing this
[15:37] <Randomskk> http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/_design/habitat/_view/payload_telemetry?startkey=[%22XABEN%22,1331978344]&endkey=[%22XABEN%22,%22end%22]&include_docs=true
[15:37] <Randomskk> anyway you can search for your callsign
[15:37] <Morseman> G0DJA
[15:37] <Morseman> XABEN for today
[15:38] <Randomskk> yea, you're in the log
[15:38] <Upu> daveake this is your fault : http://i.imgur.com/ksK8g.jpg glue just drying :)
[15:38] <Morseman> Looking at http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php
[15:38] <fsphil> yea you received quite a lot
[15:38] <Randomskk> Upu: it's beautiful ;)
[15:38] <Randomskk> Morseman: yea, that's basically the wrong place to look
[15:38] <Upu> put it on a diet :)
[15:38] <fsphil> minava
[15:39] <Randomskk> Morseman: additionally if you go on http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[15:39] <Randomskk> you can mouse over the flight path and it'l show a line going to your location
[15:39] <Randomskk> for the parts you received
[15:39] <Randomskk> then if you click on one of those parts, the pop up shows a list of receivers (including you)
[15:41] <Morseman> Thanks - that's a different database than I'd been given in the past
[15:41] <Morseman> Randomskk That's how I knew it had decoded something as I wasn't in the shack at the time and wanted to see if the CAT radio tuning had worked
[15:43] <Randomskk> yup, that website is the old version and new dl-fldigi versions don't use it. for reference the easiest way to check is to just go to spacenear.us/tracker and see if your station appears
[15:43] <Randomskk> either by clicking points and looking in the popup or by just mousing over the track and seeing if there's a line going out to you
[15:43] <Morseman> So I did the hover and click on the 1st and last decodes with my callsign and was looking between those times at the XABEN decodes where spotters had todays date in their ZZ files
[15:44] <Randomskk> yea, so some/many people are still using old dl-fldigi versions
[15:44] <Randomskk> which will continue to work, but upload via a transition service that still goes through view.php
[15:45] <Morseman> I think DL-Fldigi also saves decodes as a txt file, so I'll have to dig that out as well
[15:46] <Morseman> I'm surprised it managed so many decodes without someone there to keep manually resetting the tramlines - just relying on AFC and the CAT control
[15:46] <Randomskk> nice
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[15:52] <daveake> Upu LOL
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[15:53] <daveake> You're ahead of me. I just cut the foam for my new box. Weighs half what the old one did
[15:54] <Upu> yeah thats 1/2 thickness
[15:54] <Upu> as you can see by some of the cuts my gear really doesn't have the accuracy :)
[15:54] <daveake> Mine is the same thicknes; I basically just removed the hole in the middle :p
[15:55] <daveake> I have a £30 cutting table. Not bad but could do with it being large
[15:55] <Upu> will hit it it the pink gaffer shortly
[15:55] <Upu> got a link ?
[15:55] <Upu> I made mine
[15:55] <Upu> and it shows
[15:55] <daveake> OK £30-something :) ... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/hot-wire-table-foam-cutter-plug-cut-polystyrene-depron-new-/260963145027?pt=UK_ToysGames_ModelKits_ModelKits_JN&hash=item3cc29d9543
[15:57] <daveake> OK, off to the craft shop ... :)
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[15:57] <Upu> yeah tidier than mine :)
[15:58] <Upu> ok brb
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[16:04] <fsphil> Morseman, the cat control work ok then?
[16:05] <griffonbot> Received email: Edward Cunningham "Re: [UKHAS] Re: CUSF: Wombat Test Flight"
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[16:13] <eroomde-ipad> Test
[16:13] <eroomde> pong
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[16:13] <jonsowman> fsphil: any way to do custom baud rates in dl-fldigi?
[16:14] <fsphil> jonsowman, yea - the 1200 rate was an addition
[16:14] <fsphil> you really just have to add it to the list
[16:14] <jonsowman> so it can't do it as it stands (like custom shifts)?
[16:15] <fsphil> not without modifying the source no
[16:15] <jonsowman> okay, ta
[16:17] <cuddykid> eroomde-ipad: bonjour - what app are you using?
[16:17] <eroomde-ipad> Colloquy
[16:17] <eroomde-ipad> V nice interface in fact
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[16:20] <Laurenceb_> ifail
[16:22] <BrainDamage> you know, that sounds more a self statement than a mockery ( for the record, I don't like apple products )
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[16:29] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[16:29] <Laurenceb_> they need a youPad
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[16:45] <Morseman> fsphil sorry was at the shop - yes CAT control seemed to work - rig was on different frequency to one that I left it on
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[16:54] <Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17400804
[16:54] <Laurenceb_> Stephen Salter
[16:54] <Laurenceb_> pmsl
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[19:17] <daveake> new toy?
[19:22] <eroomde-ipad> Yes
[19:22] <Randomskk> I was tempted to get one but decided they don't really have a high enough resolution
[19:22] <eroomde-ipad> The suffix is an affectation by the software though
[19:23] <Randomskk> wow, that's even worse than sending emails terminated "Sent from my iPad"
[19:23] <eroomde-ipad> What? It's got greater resolution than my 24" monitor
[19:23] <eroomde-ipad> It's >2000 pixels across
[19:24] <Randomskk> yea but my setup at home is 3840x1200 and I would really want an ipad to be at least twice that
[19:24] <eroomde-ipad> I'm testing this by talking
[19:24] <Randomskk> it got the '>'?
[19:24] <eroomde-ipad> Voice recognition seems to work quite well
[19:24] <Randomskk> and the '"'?
[19:24] <eroomde-ipad> I can tell that you're joshing
[19:25] <eroomde-ipad> Peter having is an emerging new hobby
[19:25] <eroomde-ipad> Picohabbing, that was meant to be
[19:26] <Randomskk> the voice recognition output reads almost stilted, I think having caps at the start but short, non-full-sentence messages without full stops makes it a bit weird
[19:26] <Randomskk> have you seen james' new toy?
[19:26] <eroomde-ipad> No
[19:27] <daveake> 3840x1200. Pah, feeble ;)
[19:27] <eroomde-ipad> Send me a link
[19:27] <Randomskk> daveake: yea yea
[19:27] <Randomskk> eroomde-ipad: don't have one, he showed me when he returned the other regulator today
[19:27] <eroomde-ipad> What is it
[19:28] <Randomskk> really nice solar cells
[19:28] <Randomskk> thin film, tiny, light weight, 100mA at 3v6 or so
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[19:29] <eroomde-ipad> Nice
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[19:32] <edmoore> Test
[19:32] <edmoore> Slightly more sensible username now
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[19:42] <cuddykid> edmoore: have you tried charging it yet?!
[19:42] <edmoore> No
[19:42] <cuddykid> it's actually ridiculous compared to my old ipad
[19:42] <edmoore> Is there some great surprise?
[19:42] <cuddykid> if you left it on charge all night from 0 it probably would only just get full
[19:42] <cuddykid> (if that)
[19:42] <edmoore> A dove flies out. Of the USB socket?
[19:42] <cuddykid> edmoore: 1% takes about 15mins
[19:42] <edmoore> Yeah
[19:42] <cuddykid> even out of mains
[19:43] <edmoore> But it's one massive battery
[19:43] <edmoore> The entire thing
[19:43] <cuddykid> that's the only fault I have though
[19:43] <cuddykid> yep
[19:43] <cuddykid> otherwise it's fantastic
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[19:43] <edmoore> Overnight is tolerable for me
[19:43] <cuddykid> white or black?
[19:43] <edmoore> Black
[19:43] <edmoore> 32/4g
[19:43] <cuddykid> nice
[19:44] <edmoore> Don't have a filing cover yet though
[19:44] <edmoore> Folding
[19:44] <cuddykid> I've got a dark grey one
[19:44] <cuddykid> goes nicely with the white ipad
[19:46] <edmoore> They only had a pink one left
[19:46] <edmoore> Normally I am to to bothered about colour coordination
[19:47] <edmoore> But I thought I'd wait
[19:49] <edmoore> Not too*
[19:51] <cuddykid> photos look incredible on it
[19:54] <edmoore> Yeah that's a very nice thing
[19:54] <edmoore> I got it partly for quick presentations
[19:55] <edmoore> Very good for explaining ideas to people at conferences and things
[19:59] <edmoore> Portable keynote is a wonderful app
[20:00] <NigeyS> :|
[20:01] <edmoore> Somebody died?
[20:02] <NigeyS> nah, just having a hard time getting picochu's code right
[20:05] <eroomde> wassup?
[20:06] <Laurenceb_> enjoy your jail :P
[20:07] <eroomde> ?
[20:11] <NigeyS> eroomde, some weird gps bug, duplicating lines of telem, and cant suss out the powersaving for the max 6 properly :/
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[20:12] <eroomde> this is all fun I have to look forward to
[20:12] <Randomskk> I'm still super glad I put that EEPROM on the GPS
[20:12] <Randomskk> being able to store config is super duper helpful
[20:12] <Randomskk> can just configure the whole thing in u-center and then click save
[20:13] <eroomde> i hope i don't regret not
[20:13] <eroomde> i'm sure i won't
[20:13] <NigeyS> meh Randomskk thats cheating :p
[20:13] <eroomde> was just gonna whack it all in a gps_init function
[20:13] <Randomskk> meh all it really means is you have to have your flight computer send the config at boot, shouldn't be a massive issue
[20:13] <Randomskk> NigeyS if you think that's cheating you should see what else I did
[20:13] <Randomskk> I have the ublox just send UBX messages instead of NMEA
[20:13] <Randomskk> NMEA is a total pain to parse
[20:13] <Randomskk> UBX is incredibly easy to parse
[20:13] <eroomde> i'm making a bigger flight computer atm
[20:13] <eroomde> called wildcat
[20:14] <eroomde> that'll have everything broken out
[20:14] <NigeyS> hah im jealous now, and sulking ! :p
[20:14] <eroomde> it's not really spae constrained
[20:14] <Randomskk> then once the UBX is parsed, it casts it to a float and uses printf to put that into a string for transmission
[20:14] <cuddykid> I would love to make flight boards - yet they never turn up!!
[20:14] <Randomskk> no messing about with integers and getting signing wrong and negative signs cropping up in silly places
[20:14] <eroomde> yes agreed
[20:14] <eroomde> i will be doing ubx
[20:14] <Randomskk> ubx is way way way better. floats are also much easier
[20:15] <NigeyS> cuddykid, still no sign ?
[20:15] <cuddykid> NigeyS: nope! Maybe this time next year
[20:15] <Randomskk> having an onboard fpu with a micro running at 168MHz helps too
[20:15] <Randomskk> :P
[20:15] <Laurenceb_> you can view the hex packets in ucenter
[20:16] <Randomskk> ucenter is really helpful
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[20:16] <NigeyS> oo
[20:16] <Randomskk> having the USB on the ublox wired up is also really helpful
[20:16] <eroomde> is ucentre x-platform?
[20:16] <NigeyS> cuddykid, get on to them first thing monday dude!
[20:16] <Randomskk> no, it's windows, but
[20:16] <eroomde> wineable?
[20:16] <Randomskk> runs under wine on my macbook and desktop no problems
[20:17] <eroomde> cool
[20:17] <Randomskk> just symlink ~/.wine/dos_devices/COM1 to /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/tty.usbserialBLABLA
[20:17] <Randomskk> or whatever
[20:17] <cuddykid> NigeyS: yep, keep meaning to email them but have been quite busy over the last few days - will fire one off tonight
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[20:22] <eroomde> tarra
[20:22] <Laurenceb_> runs fine on wine here
[20:24] <navrac> ping nigeys
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[21:09] <nosebleedkt> thanatos!
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[21:26] <F5MVO> Good evening all
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[21:27] <F5MVO> have you prediction SHARP ?
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[21:39] <Upu> evening F5MVO
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[21:46] <F5MVO> Upu, hello, i look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD5at1cYmm8
[21:46] <Upu> ah yes
[21:46] <Upu> the naughty launch
[21:50] <F5MVO> Upu, you up a ballon tomorrow ?
[21:50] <Upu> not me the SHARP one I believe
[21:52] <F5MVO> Upu, you have found a Sharp prediction ?
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[22:09] <number10> F5MVO - prediction i think is this http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=c682130fea10ea9f9ea1539cb94fd515b2254c86
[22:10] <F5MVO> number10, thanks you are the number one !
[22:10] <number10> well I hope I have it correct F5MVO, I am not on the SHARP team
[22:11] <Udin_Sharp> number10
[22:11] <Udin_Sharp> yep that looks like the ones we have run
[22:11] <number10> but this is from the information from email https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/ukhas/VAOsyYbUEK0
[22:11] <Udin_Sharp> but we will proabably not get that far/high
[22:12] <F5MVO> i hope down before the Sea !
[22:14] <Udin_Sharp> With our Balloon/Payload Weight we are looking at around 26-28km burst height with an ascent rate of ~5ms-1
[22:19] <Upu> whats the frequency Udin ?
[22:20] <RocketBoy> Udin_Sharp: if it looks like landing in the Thetford forrest area its probably best to ring the range control mentioned on this page http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/general:upcoming_launches
[22:20] <number10> F5MVO: whith the altitude info of 27k, prediction looks like landing before sea. http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=f9dcfe23860864cbf3c5180d6cc920896ea4a170
[22:21] <Udin_Sharp> 433.650
[22:21] <Udin_Sharp> we are creating an comms profile that should be up soon
[22:21] <Upu> 433 ? not 434 ?
[22:21] <Upu> Evening Steve, any ideas what went on today ?
[22:22] <Udin_Sharp> yep 434 sorry
[22:22] <RocketBoy> Upu: nope
[22:22] <RocketBoy> but its gotta be related to the previous launch
[22:25] <Udin_Sharp> RocketBoy we shouldnt get close to Thetford but we will make sure to ring them if we do
[22:25] <number10> there was a fair bit of rain over norfolk during the flight, do you think caused a problem
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[22:26] Nick change: Thanaus -> Thanatus
[22:26] <RocketBoy> unlikly - we waited for a break in the rain and It wasn't in the clouds a long time
[22:31] <Upu> anything we can do or not do next weekend ?
[22:31] <Upu> looks like you got unlucky today seemed to have partially burst ?
[22:32] <Upu> dropped suddenly but didn't come down too quick , and was spinning heavily
[22:32] <Upu> very wierd
[22:32] <RocketBoy> yea - I guess that too
[22:33] <RocketBoy> I haven't got any decent theories about what happened
[22:33] <Upu> glad its not just us :)
[22:34] <navrac> drat I missed Xaben,
[22:34] <daveake> It was an unusual one
[22:35] <navrac> it was one where im not in a blindspot as well - I'd have enjoyed tracking that
[22:35] <RocketBoy> yeah
[22:36] <RocketBoy> yeah - you would have been well placed
[22:36] <RocketBoy> any of you guys listening
[22:36] <RocketBoy> ?
[22:36] <daveake> Yep. I have the wav file if you want that
[22:36] <Upu> me didn't record the wav though
[22:37] <RocketBoy> yeah - I's be sure interested in the end
[22:37] <RocketBoy> sort of faded out quickly?
[22:37] <daveake> OK I'll get it uploaded
[22:37] <daveake> Wasn't there at the time
[22:37] <Upu> should have recorded it sorry was getting partial decodes down to 4000 meters
[22:38] <RocketBoy> how was the frequency stability of the flight?
[22:38] <Upu> it seemed to spin extremely heavily at 5500m and the transmission was very wierd
[22:38] <daveake> About halfway (I thought) through the flight I went downstairs to work on my own payload. Went back up for something and saw on the waterfall that something was wrong
[22:38] <Upu> it wasn't bad at all
[22:38] <daveake> freq stab very good
[22:38] <daveake> gap did shrink a bit though
[22:38] <Upu> 1500Hz ?
[22:38] <Upu> yeah shift dropped to 320 at one point
[22:38] <RocketBoy> it wasn't that well protected - just 8mm of polystyrene
[22:39] <Upu> 8mm you say ? :/ -> http://i.imgur.com/bdduU.jpg
[22:39] <daveake> Suddenly me "egg" payload doesn't seem so minimalist :D
[22:39] <daveake> my
[22:39] <RocketBoy> yeah thats way more
[22:40] <Upu> it was very odd as the initial drop wasn't massive, though your flight computer picked it up and indicated pyro
[22:40] <daveake> http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/DSCF7171-1024x768.jpg
[22:40] <daveake> I didn't see any more than 20m/s
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[22:40] <RocketBoy> yery pink
[22:41] <daveake> The colour of sea landers. You should use it :)
[22:41] <Upu> the only theory I can come up with is it managed to make a large balloon sausage dog, one bit of which burst
[22:41] <RocketBoy> yeah - the software is good at picking up descent - then fires the cutdown pyro (but there wan't one)
[22:42] <Upu> its a bit of a stetch but I can't think of any other reason why you had such a slow decent, other than if the balloon burst in an odd way and ended up acting like a parachute
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[22:42] <daveake> That's what I was thinking
[22:42] <RocketBoy> oh yeah - im sure it was somthing like taht
[22:42] <SpeedEvil> A duck got caught in the payload.
[22:42] <Upu> well we'll have another go next weekend as long as the predictions sort themselves out
[22:43] <RocketBoy> cool - I'll be listening
[22:43] <SpeedEvil> Good luck!
[22:44] <daveake> There'll be 3 payloads transmitting so we'll need a few listeners!
[22:44] Action: RocketBoy has been secretly testing his CO2 laser - its worked twice noe
[22:44] <RocketBoy> now
[22:44] <Upu> well thats funny you should mention that
[22:44] Action: daveake has used his twice so far
[22:45] <daveake> Upu we'll be needing that foil shield
[22:48] <navrac> now I know why ozzie survived then - foil balloon
[22:48] <daveake> :)
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[22:50] <Upu> mind if I clear the tracker RocketBoy ? Will probably do it tomorrow morning
[22:50] <RocketBoy> yeah -np - i already have a dump
[22:51] <Upu> ta
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[22:53] <Upu> all yours Udin_Sharp
[22:58] <Udin_Sharp> awesome
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[23:01] <Udin_Sharp> just to let you know. Me and Mike will man the mission control and I will on here so we can be contacted via irc
[23:03] <Upu> ok not a problem
[23:04] <Upu> just let us know the dial frequency at the launch site
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[23:06] <daveake> Upu Pic of the tracker compartment :-) http://i.imgur.com/9IzKU.jpg
[23:07] <Upu> looks nice and tidy
[23:07] Action: pnorman waves at SpeedEvil
[23:07] <SpeedEvil> hey
[23:07] <daveake> The foil is the gp from the GPS, and it's got card over it now. The Arduino and some wiring goes in that hole
[23:07] <daveake> top-right is the GSM; top-left is a level shifter for that
[23:08] <Upu> I need to fashion something to make the tracker fit in nicely
[23:09] <daveake> Yeah, on my first one I let it flap around and the reset button got hit (I think) on landing
[23:09] <daveake> I've removed the reset button :)
[23:09] <Upu> I'd cut that off :)
[23:09] <daveake> ^^
[23:09] <Upu> plan :)
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[23:19] <kristianpaul> SpeedEvil: you'll like this http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
[23:20] <kristianpaul> if you werent aware of it before :)
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> Interesting
[23:22] <navrac> I'm thinking of getting a funcube
[23:23] <kristianpaul> a ezcap usb cost aroun 30usd at DX.com and wonder best prices on ebay
[23:24] <SpeedEvil> Thanks for the link
[23:25] <navrac> £30 for an ezcap from ebuyer
[23:25] <kristianpaul> join osmo-sdr mail list too, Dieter Spaar was who pointed
[23:26] <kristianpaul> too if you like* :_)
[23:28] <NigeyS> ping laurenceb
[23:30] <navrac> any luck on the powersave nigeys?
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[23:30] <NigeyS> not sure, dont think its setting properly, ive downloaded u-center to see if theres a setting in there to view current power modes, but cant find anything yet
[23:31] <navrac> ah well if it was easy everybody would be doing it
[23:32] <Laurenceb_> wait wut
[23:32] <Laurenceb_> thats an off the shelf dongle?
[23:32] <navrac> yep
[23:33] <NigeyS> navrac, so true
[23:33] <NigeyS> Laurenceb_, you use ucentre right ?
[23:33] <Laurenceb_> oh wow
[23:33] <Laurenceb_> thats potentially highly epic
[23:33] <Laurenceb_> NigeyS: yes
[23:33] <Laurenceb_> its been a while
[23:34] <NigeyS> ahh, any chance you remember if it shows / ables eco mode settings ?
[23:34] <Laurenceb_> i thought all the dongles had annoying hardware dvbt decoding built in so unhackable
[23:34] <Laurenceb_> nope
[23:34] <NigeyS> i.e if i send the eco cmd, will it list the flag anywhere thats its enabled if successful ?
[23:34] <NigeyS> ach
[23:37] <Laurenceb_> i havent used it for about a year sorry
[23:37] <Laurenceb_> wow those dongles are on ebay for ~nothing
[23:37] <Laurenceb_> this is epic
[23:38] <SpeedEvil> link?
[23:38] <Darkside> thats pretty damn cool
[23:38] <griffonbot> Received email: Matthew Brejza "Re: [UKHAS] Launch announcement: UoS ASTRA Project - Friday 16th
[23:38] <Darkside> bit remember, all ofthose tuners have bad frontends
[23:38] <Darkside> so you're going to need filtering , and in the case of teh tv dongles, impedance matching
[23:38] <kristianpaul> Laurenceb_: :-)
[23:39] <SpeedEvil> Can they actually be used for DAB - under linux?
[23:39] <kristianpaul> sip http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/RealTek_RTL2832U
[23:39] <Laurenceb_> hmm interesting question
[23:39] <kristianpaul> thats the ship they use, look here http://www.steve-m.de/pictures/rtl-sdr/ezcap_top.jpg
[23:40] <Darkside> aww man its only 8-bit samples
[23:40] <Darkside> that sucks
[23:40] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[23:40] <Laurenceb_> its almost a copy of funcube
[23:40] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: funcube is 16-bit samples
[23:40] <kristianpaul> Darkside: oversampling ! :-(
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[23:40] <kristianpaul> s/:-(/:-)
[23:40] <Laurenceb_> or hack an stm32 on there
[23:40] <Darkside> i'm waiting for the osmoSDR i think...
[23:40] <kristianpaul> me too
[23:40] <kristianpaul> but 20usd :D
[23:40] <kristianpaul> also troughput will be more o less same
[23:40] <Darkside> i already have one of thoseezcaps anyway
[23:41] <Darkside> so i'll test it out
[23:41] <kristianpaul> nice
[23:41] <Darkside> will be good when someone makes a gnuradio block for one
[23:41] <kristianpaul> i just going order one..
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[23:41] <Laurenceb_> its 8bit on I and Q
[23:41] <Laurenceb_> thats not too bad
[23:42] <Darkside> mmmrhg
[23:42] <Darkside> i'm too used to SDRs with 14 or 16 bit IQ samples
[23:43] <kristianpaul> ha, i sample at 2 bits ;-)
[23:43] <navrac> anyone got a funcube? I'm in the 'arse end of nowhere' so blocking shouldn't be an issue
[23:43] <Darkside> navrac: yeah, i have one
[23:43] <navrac> any good?
[23:44] <Darkside> if you don't have any local interferers, they should be fine
[23:44] <BrainDamage> with 2.8 MSps you can extract the other bits from filtering
[23:44] <Darkside> BrainDamage: not when you're tryuing to do passive radar stuff with DAB
[23:44] <navrac> local interference - theres nothing local here at all, apart from a puib
[23:44] <Darkside> and you need 1.5MHz of bandwidth
[23:44] <BrainDamage> I tought we were comparing to the funcube
[23:45] <BrainDamage> not generic xyz sdr
[23:45] <Darkside> hehe
[23:45] <Darkside> well first off theres no live receiver block for these chips yet
[23:45] <Darkside> once there is, it'll be interesting
[23:45] <Darkside> but wharts there should allow me to work out the IIP3 of the tuner IC
[23:46] <BrainDamage> is that a pal connector?
[23:46] <BrainDamage> :s
[23:46] <Laurenceb_> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10774-Noxon-DAB-Stick-DAB-tuner-module-P-N-107-/280832625157?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4162edca05
[23:46] <Darkside> yes, its a 75 ohm connector
[23:46] <NigeyS> http://i.imgur.com/zNJQY.png .. thats neat!
[23:46] <Laurenceb_> thats compatible
[23:46] <BrainDamage> pal != 75 Ohm
[23:46] <BrainDamage> it should be, if world were nice
[23:46] <Darkside> heh
[23:46] <BrainDamage> but sadly it isn't
[23:47] <Darkside> well i'd be desoldering it off the board and hopefully working out the impedance matching network
[23:47] <Darkside> and putting a SMA connector on there
[23:47] <Laurenceb_> £30 isnt bad at all
[23:48] <Darkside> dammit, my tuner has a Fitipower FC0012
[23:48] <Darkside> not a 0013
[23:48] <Darkside> may still workk..
[23:53] <navrac> right , bedtime for me, its mothers day tomorrow so i have to be up early for doing breakfast in bed for the wife - oh and f1 at 6am
[23:54] <Laurenceb_> funcube doesnt have an lna on the front right?
[23:54] <Darkside> it has internal stuff
[23:54] <Darkside> but dont know how good it is
[23:54] <navrac> well its -.15uv for 12db sinad on nbfm - so probab;y doesnt need one
[23:58] <Matt_soton> i think its based on this which has a built in lna: http://www.elonics.com/product.do?id=1
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