[00:00] <NigeyS> good job, and please thank all the french trackers for us, they have been invaluable today!
[00:01] <F6AGV> Thanks good night we can all if it possible to help because we love balloons ! hi
[00:02] <navrac> yes thankyou
[00:02] <NigeyS> :D much appreciated, good night, and thank you again :-)
[00:02] <F6AGV> BYe see you next
[00:02] <navrac> it would have been a very short flight without your assistance
[00:02] <olivier58> les trames que je recoit resamble plus a de l'APRS que du RTTY 50
[00:02] <olivier58> on dirais même en 300 baud PAcket
[00:03] <F6AGV> tu captes quoi ?
[00:03] <olivier58> des trames qui ressemble a du APRS
[00:03] <F6AGV> c possible que tu reçois autre chose ?
[00:03] <F6AGV> les piles de OZZIES vont être usées normalement maintenant
[00:04] <olivier58> ok
[00:04] <navrac> ozzie goes: RTTY 20seconds, silence 6 seconds,carrier 10 seconds
[00:05] <F6AGV> je coupe salut et à bientôt très heureux de t'avoir eu ici à bientôt ET 73 de Alain F6AGV CALAIS
[00:05] <F6AGV> WE LOVE BALLONS 73 all
[00:05] <NigeyS> 73's!
[00:06] <olivier58> ok ben c'est sa ok bonne nuit moi pareil je coupe a demain
[00:06] <olivier58> 73
[00:06] <olivier58> 1.8v ;(
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[00:09] <olivier58> 73 all
[00:09] <NigeyS> nite olivier58 and merci :)
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[00:11] <NigeyS> must sleep, nn all :-)
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[00:52] <griffonbot> Received email: navrac "[UKHAS] Brief flight report for Ozzie."
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[01:37] <griffonbot> Received email: Andrew Wiens "Re: [UKHAS] Brief flight report for Ozzie."
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[01:42] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Brief flight report for Ozzie."
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[06:54] <olivier58> 73 a tous le ballon tombe 304m 8.6 Km/h
[06:54] <Upu> morning
[06:54] <olivier58> back return 10h00
[06:55] <Upu> I think its dead olivier58
[06:55] <Upu> batteries will have died
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[06:59] <Upu> http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Falerte-radiosondes.blogspot.com%2F2012%2F03%2Factualite-ballons-radioamateurs.html&act=url
[07:04] <Upu> I meant this one : http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://alerte-radiosondes.blogspot.com/2012/03/actualite-ballons-radioamateurs_11.html&usg=ALkJrhhv5Et0tN9zxX9s02auE_fCMsnFYQ
[07:06] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Brief flight report for Ozzie."
[07:12] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[07:12] <natrium42> Upu: yeah, nice writup
[07:12] <natrium42> though somebody should tell him how to hide the info box
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[07:48] <cuddykid> morning
[07:52] <x-f> morning
[07:53] <eroomde> yoyo
[07:54] <natrium42> eroomde: so, i tested the pixel qi screen and give my thumbs up for approval
[07:57] <eroomde> oh awesome
[07:58] <natrium42> first thing i did was wipe windows 7 and install ubuntu
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[07:58] <eroomde> it was easier from there right
[07:58] <natrium42> :D
[07:58] <natrium42> but it's so awesome to see the screen with sun shining directly onto it
[07:59] <natrium42> <3
[07:59] <eroomde> can it be retrofitted into something like a thinkpad cf-19?
[08:00] <eroomde> cos then something awesome might be born
[08:00] <natrium42> it has to use the same connector
[08:00] <natrium42> thats the fasyest netbook i found that could fit it
[08:01] <natrium42> tracker works very well
[08:01] <natrium42> in firefox
[08:02] <eroomde> vv interesting
[08:02] <eroomde> it sounds perfect
[08:04] <daveake> Morning
[08:06] <daveake> Pic of my mast up yesterday - http://i.imgur.com/uIhTi.jpg
[08:07] <cuddykid> lovely
[08:07] <cuddykid> all in the name of HAB
[08:07] <daveake> indeed
[08:07] <eroomde> smart!
[08:07] <daveake> That's a very wide-angle lens to get it all in :)
[08:09] <daveake> That side of the house faces east which is handy for when I just put the yagi in the office window (top-right)
[08:11] <daveake> Busy day yesterday!
[08:11] <daveake> navrac's flight somewhat exceeded expectations :)
[08:18] <number10> se you put the radials on this time
[08:18] <daveake> Well spotted :
[08:18] <daveake> :)
[08:19] <number10> does it require two people to setup- takedown
[08:20] <daveake> Probably would if the wind was strong, but no I've done them myself so far
[08:22] <NigelMoby> needs translating but I think Ozzie was picked up at 7am @ 304m 8kph
[08:23] <daveake> The tricky bit is getting the guy ropes tied up so the thing is vertical, and a second person is handy for that, but not essential
[08:24] <number10> I was wondring that - I think Mrs10 doesnt have the same enthusiasm for HAB -
[08:25] <daveake> number10 I think you mentioned that before :D
[08:25] <daveake> NigelMoby Wow, if so then the batteries have lasted rather beyond expectations!
[08:25] <NigelMoby> seems so, prolly got a boost from the morning sun
[08:25] <natrium42> NigelMoby: url?
[08:25] <number10> I dont think she would have been happy having to help take the mast down in the evening yesterday
[08:26] <NigelMoby> he said it in here I can't copy paste, 2 secs...
[08:26] <natrium42> aah
[08:26] <daveake> The last reading on spacenear shows the battery at 1.7V. So that's 0.85V each cell, which is on the very steep part of the discharge curve
[08:27] <NigelMoby> 73 a tous le ballon tombe 304m 8.6km/h
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[08:27] <NigelMoby> that was at 7am
[08:29] <daveake> number10 taking the mast down is easy on your own
[08:30] Action: daveake tries not to say that you only need your wife's help for the erection part ....
[08:30] <NigelMoby> lol
[08:30] <daveake> and fails
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[08:36] <number10> lol , I was going to phrase the question in such a way daveake
[08:39] <fsphil> no more reports then. was still hoping it would keep tracking :)
[08:41] <daveake> If you want to do it single-handed, something like these would help - http://tinyurl.com/725ez3y
[08:42] <SamSilver_> i will say nothing about "dingle-handed"
[08:42] <number10> cheers daveake, I think I need to earn a few brownie points at home
[08:42] <SamSilver_> single handed as well
[08:43] <daveake> :)
[08:43] <daveake> I took care with the phrasing on that :)
[08:43] <number10> :)
[08:43] <daveake> Seriously though, those would make it a lot easier. Getting the mast vertical is the tricky part without help.
[08:44] <daveake> At the mo I have to loosen each knot, tension then re-tie
[08:45] <number10> I can see some hab spend this morning
[08:45] <fsphil> got those brownie points already?
[08:46] <number10> secret hab spend fsphil
[08:46] <daveake> fsphil Yeah, last confirmed position late last night. Incredible flight though.
[08:46] <fsphil> what's mostly annoying is that it may well still be up there, just silent
[08:46] <daveake> Yep
[08:47] <daveake> I think it very likely is
[08:47] <fsphil> your super caps idea is looking a lot more interesting
[08:47] <daveake> fsphil Mast during yesterday's tracking of Ozzie - http://i.imgur.com/uIhTi.jpg
[08:47] <number10> fsphil: which yaesu did say you had
[08:48] <fsphil> number10, 817 857 and 790
[08:48] <fsphil> ah man, I've too many
[08:48] <daveake> greedy :)
[08:48] <fsphil> I've become ... a ham!
[08:48] Action: fsphil runs away
[08:48] <daveake> Got the beard yet?
[08:48] <number10> lol, the Mrs10 would mad if I spent that
[08:48] <UpuWork> morning
[08:49] <fsphil> ah there is no mrs.fsphil :)
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[08:49] <daveake> Yeah, I get away with a constant stream of average spends, but I think she'd give me some earasche if I spent £500 on a radio
[08:49] <UpuWork> haha
[08:49] <UpuWork> thats what I do daveake
[08:49] <fsphil> mornin Mr.Work
[08:49] <number10> I think some of those are > 500
[08:49] <daveake> fsphil I suspect there'd be no Mrs Dave either if I did :D
[08:49] <UpuWork> same amount over a long period :)
[08:49] <fsphil> lol
[08:51] <daveake> UpuWork exactly :-).
[08:51] <daveake> Te <cough> work-related <cough> items are easier to slip through
[08:51] Action: daveake pats DSO
[08:52] <number10> at the moment I dont think she realized the reason I was able to track two balloons simultanously
[08:56] <x-f> :)
[08:57] <daveake> :)
[08:57] <gonzo_> one friend use to have huge amounts of 'my' expensive kit on loan, when we were younger. At least that's what he told his mother. The situation hasn't changed since, apart from the excuses are nowgiven to a wife
[08:58] <daveake> lol
[08:58] <daveake> I have a defence against "hmm, that aerial's a bit big isn't it?". I just show her Upu's latest
[08:58] <gonzo_> also used to badge up kit as belonging to the local radio club
[08:58] <UpuWork> lol
[08:58] <UpuWork> fsphil sorry I left your board at home so it won't be posted till tommorrow
[08:59] <fsphil> no worried UpuWork, I won't be able to start building till the weekend anyway
[08:59] <gonzo_> hehe, when asked 'why do you need to put up an aerial that big', reply: ~it doesn't need to be that big, it needs to be much bigger. That's a comprpmise'
[08:59] <daveake> :D
[08:59] <number10> lol
[09:00] <UpuWork> haha
[09:00] <number10> at least with the telescopic its a temporary thing
[09:00] <daveake> Indeed
[09:00] <daveake> I didn't get any grief, just "Oh that's bigger than I thought"
[09:00] <number10> thats the first time you heared that
[09:00] Action: daveake looks round the room waiting for a rude comment
[09:01] <daveake> and there we are :)
[09:01] <number10> :)
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[09:11] <fsphil> my computer has decided that actually copy and paste is overrated and I probably don't need it, so it's gone ahead and stopped it working
[09:11] <Darkside> hahaha
[09:12] <UpuWork> mine does that as well
[09:12] <Darkside> hey all
[09:12] <Darkside> we're lauching on wednesday
[09:12] <Darkside> probably 1100UTC or thereabouts
[09:12] <Darkside> waut
[09:12] <Darkside> 2300UTC
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[09:14] <fsphil> nice!
[09:14] <fsphil> first launch there in a while isn't it?
[09:15] <fsphil> daveake, just got the pic loaded. that's pretty impressive
[09:15] <Darkside> yeah we haven't done a launch since ballarat
[09:16] <Darkside> late jan
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[09:16] <Darkside> we'll have quite a few launches coming up though
[09:16] <daveake> fsphil ta :)
[09:16] <Darkside> this launch, then cutdown testing, then radio repeater launches, then another big launch that i cant talk much about
[09:16] <Darkside> but thats going to be a *big* launch
[09:17] <fsphil> ooh
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[09:18] <fsphil> Darkside, you do anything for a magazine lately?
[09:18] <Darkside> we did stuff for a music video :P
[09:18] <Darkside> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keO7FVlAecc&feature=youtu.be
[09:18] <Darkside> for an indie band
[09:19] <fsphil> next months linux format has a feature called "linux in space"
[09:20] <Darkside> thats not me
[09:20] <Darkside> its probablt about cubesat stuff
[09:20] <daveake> lol
[09:20] <fsphil> thought maybe something to do with the tux launch
[09:20] <Darkside> unlikely to be us
[09:20] <Darkside> tux launch was aaaaages ago
[09:20] <Darkside> we did talk at linux.conf.au though
[09:20] <fsphil> I seen that
[09:21] <x-f> "low rent spaceship"
[09:21] <Darkside> pff
[09:21] <x-f> nice video
[09:21] <Darkside> there was a bit of artistic license in that video
[09:25] <number10> yes I notice the chase crew were better looking than your previous launch Darkside
[09:26] <Darkside> hahahaha
[09:26] <Darkside> they didn't fill us :P
[09:26] <Darkside> and all the 'chase' scenes are fake
[09:26] <number10> nah
[09:26] <Darkside> there are some really good pics from that launch
[09:26] <Darkside> hold on
[09:27] <Darkside> http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/320854_10150413722021855_22062606854_8341462_1372049732_n.jpg
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[09:29] <Darkside> hows that for a promo photo
[09:30] <number10> HABs getting busy this year - if you show photos like that we will have a stampede of people wanting to get involved
[09:30] <Darkside> lol
[09:30] <daveake> :)
[09:32] <fsphil> hab-babes
[09:32] <Darkside> hahaha
[09:32] <Darkside> insert joke about large orbs here
[09:32] <daveake> "put your hands round this rubber will you dear?"
[09:33] <Darkside> pretty sure el-reg has done all the orb jokes though
[09:33] <jonsowman> oh dear
[09:33] <Darkside> see, dave just make it all creepy
[09:33] <jonsowman> haha
[09:34] <daveake> so sorry :(
[09:35] <jonsowman> you're forgiven
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[09:36] <Darkside> jonsowman: Horus 22 launch 14/03/12 at ~0UTC from Wistow, South Australia
[09:36] <jonsowman> Darkside: oh right, sorry i missed that, only just came on
[09:36] <jonsowman> 2 secs
[09:36] <Darkside> np
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[09:37] <jonsowman> that ok Darkside?
[09:37] <Darkside> woo
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[09:37] <jonsowman> what's on this one Darkside?
[09:38] <Darkside> possibly a pony
[09:38] <jonsowman> haha
[09:38] <Darkside> though nothing confirmed yet
[09:38] <Darkside> at the very least, RTTY + APRS
[09:38] <jonsowman> cool
[09:38] <fsphil> wouldn't a pegasus make more sense?
[09:38] <Darkside> heh
[09:38] <Darkside> internode don't make nodepegasi
[09:39] <fsphil> they should
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[09:56] <Colin-G8TMV> Morning
[09:56] <Colin-G8TMV> Has anyone got the link to the photos of Ozzie1 from yesterday?
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[10:01] <fsphil> hiya Colin-G8TMV, http://s1078.photobucket.com/albums/w493/navrac_/OZZIE1/
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[10:05] <daveake> Small and very light
[10:06] <Colin-G8TMV> fsphil: Thanks
[10:08] <daveake> I may be adopting a seasonal theme for my next one :-) ... http://imgur.com/MxbxH
[10:09] <Darkside> oh dear
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[10:10] <UpuWork> cuddykid do use UPS if you want it here quick
[10:11] <UpuWork> cuddykid don't use UPS as they shaft you for customs charges
[10:11] <UpuWork> £3.79 tax and £11.00 to collect it...
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[10:15] <Colin-G8TMV> daveake: lol
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[10:20] <Colin-G8TMV> daveake: which radio module is that?
[10:20] <Darkside> Colin-G8TMV: RFM22B
[10:20] <UpuWork> i.imgur.com/WeisZ.jpg
[10:21] <UpuWork> and yes I know the module is upside down
[10:21] <Darkside> UpuWork: jeez that board is big :P
[10:21] <Darkside> heh
[10:21] <UpuWork> its a breakout :)
[10:21] <Darkside> haha
[10:21] <Darkside> i know
[10:21] <Darkside> i'm probably goign to send my cutdown pcb off for manufacture tomorrow
[10:22] <UpuWork> what happened to that diplexor ?
[10:22] <Darkside> i have the pcbs
[10:22] <Darkside> still waiting on some high-Q components
[10:23] <Darkside> then i'll get them properly tested
[10:24] <Darkside> they should work very well with seift
[10:24] <Darkside> swift*
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[10:26] <UpuWork> indeed
[10:31] <Darkside> hrmm launch on wednesday is looking a bit dicey
[10:31] <Darkside> we'll be flying over a large lake
[10:31] <Darkside> and depending on the burst altitude, landing near it
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[11:08] <cuddykid> UpuWork: wow! - :O
[11:09] <cuddykid> how do they work those taxes out?! - maximum should be 20% of say £9 something?
[11:09] <UpuWork> tax was only £3
[11:09] <cuddykid> and £11 to collect?!?!?
[11:09] <UpuWork> but they charge £11 admin
[11:09] <cuddykid> that is ridiculous - I'd be complaining :P
[11:12] <Colin-G8TMV> it's worse than thet, they then charge VAT on the admin fee
[11:14] <cuddykid> UPS have gone down hugely in my estimations
[11:14] <cuddykid> sodding delivery companies!
[11:14] <Darkside> i keep on reading UPS as UPU
[11:14] <UpuWork> not their fault
[11:14] <UpuWork> blame the government
[11:14] <cuddykid> oh yes
[11:15] <cuddykid> don't get me started on the government
[11:15] <cuddykid> I could rant on all day about them
[11:18] <cuddykid> I still don't understand why delivery companies don't implement some sort of notification feature (either push notification, text or email) - for example, when the van is within 5 miles of you and your next (or 2nd) for delivery - send a notification
[11:19] <fsphil> they'd need to spend money
[11:20] <cuddykid> hmm, might not need to - I'm sure every van is equipped with GPS - then it's just a matter of coding, it's not a huge coding job
[11:20] <zyp> they'd save that on not having to do as much second deliveries
[11:20] <fsphil> true
[11:20] <fsphil> one of the carrier companies we deal with showed us their live gps map
[11:21] <fsphil> half the vehicles where out of contact
[11:21] <cuddykid> lol
[11:21] <fsphil> still impressive though
[11:21] <cuddykid> indeed
[11:22] <fsphil> so yea they do have that info
[11:22] <fsphil> most of the time
[11:22] <cuddykid> would be very helpful
[11:22] <cuddykid> almost all vans would be equipped with GPS I would think
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[11:26] <F5MVO> Morning all
[11:26] <F5MVO> OZZIE1 over France : http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/831/ozzie1.jpg/
[11:28] <navrac> thats brilliant - and thanks again for all your help tracking ozzie
[11:28] <F5MVO> navrac : http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/831/ozzie1.jpg/
[11:28] <UpuWork> morning navrac
[11:28] <navrac> morning
[11:28] <UpuWork> Could this be any use to you : http://i.imgur.com/4SEuT.jpg
[11:28] <UpuWork> the one on the left
[11:29] <Darkside> UpuWork: you're making all this too easy :P
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[11:29] <UpuWork> nah
[11:29] <navrac> I'm really sad : ozzie mised 11 hours by 28 seconds
[11:29] <F5MVO> navrac : no problem, it was a pleasure
[11:30] <cuddykid> UpuWork: what's the one on the right?
[11:30] <navrac> I've got my own that i did upu - without the connector to save weight and laid out to match the antenna
[11:30] <navrac> some tracking job F5MVO - i've got this info on your tracking
[11:31] <F5MVO> ok, i go to lunch, see you later, and congratulations for the team !
[11:32] <F5MVO> navrac : ok, i go to lunch, see you later, and congratulations for the team !
[11:32] <UpuWork> cuddykid its a Max6 board you can plug into a 5V Arduino directly
[11:32] <cuddykid> oh I see :D
[11:33] <navrac> you tracked for 394Km of 552km of its flight
[11:33] <F5MVO> bye
[11:33] <navrac> bye
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[11:36] <navrac> upu - if you put chokes on the signal lines I would be very interested - and a gnd pad or bit of unmasked gnd about 20mm away from the centre of the ant pin :-)
[11:36] <Darkside> navrac: that was a problem for you?
[11:36] <UpuWork> can do whatever have a chat with me this evening
[11:36] <Darkside> i've for power supply decoupling on my cutdown board, but thats it
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[11:38] <navrac> yes - the noise floor was the limiting comms factor. It should do -118dBm but on the bench I was getting -110dBm sadly when I assembled ozzie I put the tx right by the arduino and the noise floor fell to about 100dBm
[11:38] <Darkside> hrmm
[11:39] <Darkside> i'm not too fussed if the noise floor is around -100dBm...
[11:39] <Darkside> as we'll be amplifying the uplink
[11:39] <navrac> alright for you with a license....
[11:39] <Darkside> heh
[11:39] <Darkside> i still think 100mW into a 5 element yagi would work well though
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[11:40] <navrac> well 50mW into a homebrew 4 ele yagi worked - but that was from ground level pointed largely at random.....
[11:40] <Darkside> heh
[11:41] <Darkside> yeah, i'm thinking 100mW into a decent yagi (which we have with us in our chase cars anyway) would work
[11:41] <navrac> the yagi was a bit bent at that stage as it had ben up and down the mast 3 times, dropped from 20 feet and was made with 2mm brass rods which were all over the place.
[11:42] <navrac> yes it certainly think it would - a nicely matched yagi with the rfm in the connector housing would be ideal
[11:43] <Darkside> mm
[11:43] <Darkside> that means the SPI lines would be long though
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[11:43] <Darkside> but yeah, i was considering making a 'cutdown boz'
[11:43] <Darkside> box*
[11:43] <navrac> no, I just put a min arduino pro with it so the spi lines were about 25mm
[11:43] <Darkside> mm ok
[11:44] <Darkside> i've got my RFM22B on the opposite side of a PCB to the atmega
[11:44] <navrac> usb doesnt need to be so thick
[11:44] <navrac> good move
[11:44] <navrac> lots of decoup i hope
[11:44] <Darkside> theres a reasonably ground plane between them, but there are traces under the rfm22b
[11:44] <Darkside> well theres only one power supply pin lol
[11:44] <Darkside> and i've got that decoupled
[11:45] <navrac> that should be ok as the bottom of the rfm is largely a groundplane anyway
[11:45] <Darkside> yeah
[11:46] <navrac> I also cut out a bit of copper that went from the chip to the xtal, and put thermal paste between the copper and the bits, then put silicon rubber over the copper and surrounding area. It transferred the heat from the chuip to the xtal quite nicely and lowerd the temperature sensitivity
[11:47] <Darkside> might try that
[11:47] <Darkside> depending on what board configuration i go with, theres either going to be a LDO next to the RFM22B or a switchmode supply
[11:48] <navrac> well i reasoned that especially as it comes down when you want it to be stable, you dont want the higher pressure cold air rushing in - so by sealing it with silicon so theres no air - theres no reason for it to go to it and the silicon acts a agood insulator
[11:48] <Darkside> i'm thinking i might need to use the LDO instead of the switchmode supply, if noise floor issues are a problem
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[11:49] <navrac> I think a switchmode should be ok - I got pretty good results when powering the rfm22b off the end of the usb supply which isnt famous for being sqeaky clean
[11:50] <Darkside> ok
[11:50] <navrac> and ozzies boost reg wasnt exactly quiet
[11:50] <Darkside> oh yeah you use a boost reg too
[11:50] <Darkside> shoudl be fine then
[11:50] <Darkside> i wanted to run mine off 2xAAs
[11:50] <Darkside> the same AAs running the cutdown wire too
[11:50] <navrac> that should give you a good days worth then
[11:51] <Darkside> heh
[11:51] <navrac> i only designed for 5 hours.
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[11:52] <navrac> now i'm annoyed i didnt bother with any major power saving stuff as i though i wouldnt need it. Ozzie2 is going to be powersaved up to the hilt as looking at the figures i reckon its probably happily floating back to the uk now
[11:53] <cuddykid> santander really is the worst of the worst
[11:54] <cuddykid> I now have to go into a branch to get money transferred as for some bizarre reason they can only issue a check over the phone - errr what?!
[11:56] <cuddykid> hahaha, this made me laugh:
[11:56] <cuddykid> Do you currently own a mobile device?
[11:56] <cuddykid> (A mobile device is a small, hand-held computing device, typically having a display screen with touch input and/or a miniature keyboard, for example, a smartphone, tablet computer or ultra-mobile PC)
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[12:24] <fsphil> my bank is obsessing over trying to get my mobile number
[12:24] <fsphil> every form and every login they ask for it
[12:24] <fsphil> but don't require it
[12:25] <Morseman> fsphil Yeah, I keep telling them I don't want texts from them for their convenience
[12:26] <Morseman> Latest anoying thing is the relative of Metal Mickey that TalkTalk now use to leave messages on answer machine
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[12:26] <fsphil> I've yet to get that
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[12:26] <fsphil> talk talk like to send their robots to my door
[12:27] <Morseman> HeHe
[12:27] <fsphil> three times in one day
[12:27] <fsphil> I was nearly calling the police
[12:28] <Morseman> http://www.dilbert.com/fast/2012-03-05/
[12:29] <Morseman> One more cuppa then I suppose I'll have to get some more work done :-(
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[12:32] <daveake> I understand the word "cuppa", but I'm struggling with the concept of "work" :)
[12:33] <Morseman> Yes daveake, so do I
[12:37] <cuddykid> I do hope my pcbs arrive today
[12:37] <cuddykid> it's been about a month now!!
[12:37] <Morseman> Has anyone ever used a PIC to convert GPS output to text recognisable by DL-FLDigi? seems a waste to use an 'expensive' arduino or whatever
[12:38] <jonsowman> avrs are more popular
[12:38] <jonsowman> but i think there have been some PIC based payloads
[12:38] <Darkside> Morseman: a lot of us the raw avr
[12:38] <Darkside> not a full arduino
[12:38] <daveake> Morseman I know Number10 is working on that
[12:39] <jonsowman> shall we do some F6?
[12:40] <jonsowman> wrong window.
[12:40] <jonsowman> sorry :P
[12:40] <Laurenceb> http://ukhas.org.uk/_media/projects:dscn0957.jpg?w=700
[12:40] <Laurenceb> i made that ages ago
[12:40] <gonzo_> I have a tracket written on a 16f876, works very well
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[12:40] <Darkside> hey vk5gr
[12:40] <vk5gr> evening Darkside
[12:40] <Laurenceb> solders into bottom of a ntx2
[12:40] <vk5gr> evening all
[12:40] <Laurenceb> fitting around the xtal
[12:41] <daveake> gonzo_ That's what I was going to use (I have a tube of them looking for a job :) )
[12:41] <gonzo_> I had a few antenna rotator controlers haging about (g6lvb design) so used one of them as a dev board
[12:42] <gonzo_> can send you the code if you want dave
[12:42] <Darkside> vk5gr: did you notice the typo in the SGV video?
[12:42] <vk5gr> no didnt watch that closely
[12:42] <Laurenceb> dont think the gerbers are online, but thatd make an arduino alternative
[12:42] <Darkside> vk5gr: heh, they have 'HEIGHER' in there somewhere
[12:42] <daveake> gonzo_ No need I can port over my Arduino code easily enough
[12:43] <daveake> But thanks
[12:43] <vk5gr> smile
[12:43] <gonzo_> NP
[12:43] <Laurenceb> Morseman: ever soldered smd?
[12:43] <vk5gr> not actually sure they intended it to be circulated much just yet - it is listed as restricted on youtube and cant be found in its search engines unless you have the link
[12:43] <Darkside> vk5gr: yeah
[12:44] <Darkside> its not going to go on the horus site until the official release
[12:44] <vk5gr> suspect IGST jumped the gun a little
[12:44] <vk5gr> nor should it
[12:44] <Morseman> Laurenceb a few times
[12:44] <vk5gr> I think I spotted 2 possibly 3 of my shots in there - so looks like my film was helpful to them
[12:44] <Morseman> Can't say it's my favourite passtime though!
[12:44] <Darkside> yeah
[12:45] <Laurenceb> Upu: id be interested in that rfm22b/gps thiny
[12:45] <vk5gr> currently siotting up waiting for the rendering to finish of my Garden of Unearthly Delights film - then I can kick off the upload overnight
[12:45] <Laurenceb> oh wait no
[12:45] <Laurenceb> i thought it was one pcb for a sec
[12:45] <Darkside> vk5gr: cool, terry is bringing adrians truck around here tomorrow morning so i can finish setting it up
[12:45] <Darkside> need to upgrade a heap of stuff
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[12:46] <vk5gr> good plan - im back at Matts tomorrow night to finish off a few little things
[12:46] <Darkside> ok
[12:46] <vk5gr> now dont you go writing any new code for us to install on Matts truck - we will flatly refuse :-)
[12:46] <Darkside> haha
[12:46] <Darkside> i think we're ok :P
[12:46] <Darkside> he does have to reprogram his test flight computer
[12:46] <Darkside> since i changed the flight computer code around horus 19
[12:46] <vk5gr> we got it working and tracking fine today - just a couple of antennas to add (the window mount) and we are good to go.
[12:47] <vk5gr> the preds are still looking a bit squirrily too - should still be ok - a slightly slower assent rate would help (4ms instead of 5).
[12:47] <Darkside> yeah me and terry discussed that
[12:47] <vk5gr> pretty sure at this stage we will stay out of the lakes -
[12:47] <Darkside> also a larger parachute
[12:47] <Darkside> will drag the flight time out to over 3 hours though
[12:47] <vk5gr> how heavy is the "animal"?
[12:48] <Darkside> terry things we'll be flying under 1kg
[12:48] <Darkside> i'm thinking more like 1.5kg
[12:48] <vk5gr> at least it is between meningie and coonalpyn now instead of all the way down to Keith
[12:48] <vk5gr> really? we are only flying the RTTY payload plus the GoPro/plushy rig wont we?
[12:48] <Darkside> and aprs
[12:48] <vk5gr> (and the radar reflector of course)
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[12:49] <vk5gr> i dont think matt was planning opn aprs
[12:49] <Darkside> oh ok
[12:49] <Darkside> it'd be nice :P
[12:49] <Darkside> if its operational
[12:49] <vk5gr> sure - but if weight is an issue then not a great idea, We dont have Matts truck setup to read it at this stage anyway
[12:49] <vk5gr> (other than on the D710)
[12:49] <Darkside> well more weight means slower ascent
[12:49] <Darkside> :P
[12:50] <vk5gr> leave it to matt and terry to decide
[12:51] <Darkside> mm
[12:51] <vk5gr> 15 minutes to go - 300mb source file this time - 5 minutes of film in 1080/25p - giving the PC a headache rendering it down from 24Mbit/s - and on top of that running twixtor in some of the sequences as well (frame estimation plugin for slow motion work)
[12:51] <Darkside> hehe
[12:52] <vk5gr> definitely love twixtor - going to get some great shots out of it on our burst footage methinks
[12:52] <Darkside> cool
[12:52] <vk5gr> fairly easily takes 25fps footage and converts it to say 300fps
[12:53] <vk5gr> can do way higher than that but it depends on the quality of the footage
[12:53] <vk5gr> easier when it is shot in 50p as well
[12:53] <fsphil> 50 fps is nice
[12:54] <vk5gr> thinking about the SGV video - might contact them and see if they are cool with me taking the YouTube copy and uploading to to Vimeo so we can add it to the Project Horus channel there as well after it has been released
[12:54] <fsphil> I saw some 100 fps footage on a 100 fps screen once, pretty amazing
[12:54] <vk5gr> the new gopro hero 2 can do 125fps WVGA in I think 640x480 - feed that through twixtor would produce some very cool slow motion methinks
[12:55] <Darkside> yup
[12:55] <Darkside> i think its 960xsomething
[12:55] <fsphil> oh now that would be brilliant
[12:55] <vk5gr> might be - cant remember the specs now - ive seen one guy on Vimeo play with the 125fps mode and slow it back to 25fps native and it looked pretty awesome.
[12:56] <vk5gr> add twixtor over the top - and with that much source footage it's motion estimation would love it
[12:56] <vk5gr> 8 mins to go - ho hum
[12:59] <vk5gr> here is the HD Hero slomo test http://vimeo.com/31922088
[12:59] <vk5gr> the camera is 848x480
[12:59] <Darkside> ahh
[13:00] <vk5gr> dont know how quick it fills up the card at that frame rate however
[13:00] <Darkside> well hts 1/4 the resolution of 1080p
[13:01] <Darkside> and 4x the frame rate
[13:01] <Darkside> so i'd assime it's be about the same
[13:01] <vk5gr> might not be too bad actually
[13:01] <griffonbot> Received email: navrac "[UKHAS] Re: Brief flight report for Ozzie."
[13:02] <vk5gr> would be interesting to point one up at the balloon on a long balloon train one flight - still pondering getting a GoPro Hero 2 - will cost me the rest of the Christmas lights budget however
[13:05] <Morseman> OK back to doing some work I guess
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[13:15] <number10> Morseman: I have some code parsing polled GPS string from FSA03 - seems to be working - but need to test to ensure that I have no errors in vonversion
[13:15] <number10> on a PIC
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[13:20] <vk5gr> upload is underway - i'll bid everyone goodnight! Should be on #highaltitude on Wednesday with Horus 22
[13:21] <Darkside> cool
[13:21] <Darkside> night grant
[13:21] <fsphil> night vk5gr
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[13:29] <griffonbot> @aewakefield: RT @apexhab Photos from today's APEX III Flight are up on our gallery #apexhab #ukhas http://t.co/CEumWp33 [http://twitter.com/aewakefield/status/179197545464082433]
[13:30] <olivier58> le ballon est deja tombé ou il fait toujour du statique ?
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[13:38] <Morseman> number10 OK - would need someone to explain how to do that or a copy of the files and details of which PIC to get
[13:54] <number10> i used a PIC18f252 and ccs c compiler
[14:06] <UpuWork> olivier58 apologies not many speak French here, the balloon may be still in the air, we don't know as the batteries have failed
[14:07] <olivier58> ok
[14:07] <olivier58> sorry :)
[14:08] <olivier58> i'm speak very bad
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[14:11] <fsphil> your english is better than my french :)
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[14:14] <UpuWork> and mine
[14:19] <daveake> and Number10's typing
[14:37] <number10> :)
[14:37] <olivier58> i'm not sur my esglish is not good i speak english from one caw spanish ;) lol PTDR
[14:37] <daveake> That's it, keep the messages short and safe ;)
[14:38] <number10> :(
[14:39] <daveake> :)
[14:40] <number10> ;)
[14:41] <number10> which one is the typo
[14:41] <navrac> olivier58 was the gentleman who tried to install fldigi as he was the last person with ozzie in range he could hear it but not decode
[14:42] <daveake> Shame, good try though
[14:42] <navrac> just needed one more packet to make 11 hours - 23 secs short...
[14:43] <Colin-G8TMV> navrac: does the payload have contact info on it?
[14:43] <daveake> I wouldn't worry about that - an incredible flight
[14:44] <olivier58> yes i install DL- fldidi
[14:44] <navrac> no it was anonymous in case it crashed into someones greenhouse - actually to be honest there were so many problems during the launch it never got the label put on!
[14:46] <Colin-G8TMV> Oh, so lost then
[14:46] <daveake> Sounds like a stressful launch. On my first one a wire fell off the tracker, and I couldn't get dl-fldigi to decode
[14:47] <fsphil> first launches usually are
[14:47] <fsphil> I was still writing software up until a few minutes before launch
[14:47] <daveake> :D
[14:48] <daveake> I made some mods 2 days before, and that didn't work out well ...
[14:48] <Colin-G8TMV> I'm actually worried about the number of launch problems you guys have - I used to fly free-flight model aeroplanes and we always took things slowly before a launch to make sure nothing was forgotton
[14:48] <Colin-G8TMV> daveake: Golden rule - if it works don't mess with it! ;)
[14:49] <fsphil> subsequent launches usually run a bit smoother Colin-G8TMV
[14:50] <daveake> I think that first launch there are so many things to think about that you haven't done before, you've got a very high chance that something won't go to plan despite the planning and testing
[14:50] <Randomskk> I think some of it can be down to having to launch in a particular narrow window that's organised weeks/months in advance
[14:50] <Colin-G8TMV> fsphil: lets hope so
[14:50] <Randomskk> and yea, there are plenty of moving pieces involved :P
[14:50] <Colin-G8TMV> Randomskk: it's better not to launch than to launch in a hurry
[14:50] <Randomskk> oh, I agree
[14:50] <Randomskk> but that doesn't stop it being a factor
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[14:51] <Randomskk> you make your judgement calls as the situation requires
[14:51] <olivier58> the signal this ballon is on mode FM or USB ?
[14:51] <daveake> USB
[14:52] <Colin-G8TMV> I'm always surprised at how much "payload building" happens at the launch site. Why? surely things should be assembeled and tested well before that
[14:53] <Randomskk> a lot of things can't be finalised until the last minute
[14:53] <Randomskk> mostly involving rigging
[14:54] <Colin-G8TMV> Randomskk: why?
[14:54] <Randomskk> well, I say "can't"
[14:54] <Randomskk> mostly they're just much easier and more convenient to do then
[14:54] <Randomskk> and it's not a massive issue
[14:54] <Randomskk> but for instance you may find you suddenly don't get GPS lock, your on/off switch might be inside a box that is sealed shut before launch, your batteries are embedded inside but need charging the day before, etc
[14:54] <Colin-G8TMV> you could turn up with a built payload and then line and parachute wrapped around a piece of cardboard to stop it tangling
[14:54] <Randomskk> unexpected things go wrong and require fixing
[14:55] <Randomskk> you could, but then you've had to get all that set up and it's not usually a thing that goes wrong
[14:55] <Randomskk> there's not really any reason to set up rigging before hand, assuming you don't have to really rush the launch
[14:55] <Colin-G8TMV> If you don't get GPS lock then something is wrong and you should not launch
[14:55] <Randomskk> I disagree -- it might be something as simple as you forgot to plug a GPS antenna in, or another payload launching on the same day is causing interference
[14:56] <Randomskk> it could be a problem you can quickly and easily fix in the field, is what I'm saying
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[14:56] <daveake> What I do with my camera payloads, is turn up with the box, with short lines around going to a metal ring. From there to the chute and balloon gets done at the launch site.
[14:56] <Colin-G8TMV> That's my whole point "unexpected" things should (a) not happen or (b) should cause the launch to be canceled
[14:56] <Randomskk> obviously the situation context comes into play -- if we were building nuclear reactors then risk tolerance is much lower
[14:56] <daveake> Doesn't take long at all.
[14:56] <Randomskk> but there's no reason to cancel a launch if you can identiy and fix a problem
[14:56] <daveake> Lid goes on once the thing has lock and the cameras are started.
[14:56] <daveake> Lif + gaffer tape takes very little time
[14:56] <daveake> d
[14:57] <Randomskk> daveake: and then you rig it to the parachute, right?
[14:57] <Randomskk> and then the parachute to the balloon?
[14:57] <Randomskk> there's limits to how much is worthwhile preparing in advance
[14:57] <daveake> Yes, think I said that :-). Rig to chute and balloon at the launch site
[14:57] <Colin-G8TMV> daveake: if that is designed as part of the procedure then it's ok - it's when it happens because something got forgotten that it's a problem
[14:58] <Randomskk> Colin-G8TMV: I think it really depends on the situational risks involved
[14:58] <Randomskk> in many cases I'd argue it's better to have lots of launches that don't all go quite perfectly than only have ever made one launch
[14:58] <Randomskk> you can gain a lot of experience either way
[14:58] <fsphil> my only technical problem so far was the faulty antenna, and there was no way to tell that it was broke before launch
[14:58] <daveake> Well really there's very little in it between having the full line made up and run round cardboard tubes to stop it knotting (because it will otherwise), and just measuring the line and tying off on site
[14:58] <Randomskk> if you can only afford to launch once, then yes, spend a lot of time putting a lot of work into reliabiltiy and test the hell out of it
[14:59] <Randomskk> afford in the financial/time/risk sense
[14:59] <Colin-G8TMV> fsphil: how can you not tell your antenna was broken? Don't you do a signal strength test before launch?
[15:00] <Randomskk> Colin-G8TMV: the difference in range between a box on your desk and a box miles in the sky is usually a pretty important factor
[15:00] <Randomskk> wombat was S9+60dB on the ground
[15:00] <Randomskk> but once we launched it, it got maybe one or two decodes
[15:00] <fsphil> Colin-G8TMV, decoded perfectly until it got to about 20km away
[15:00] <fsphil> I actually think it broke after launch
[15:00] <Colin-G8TMV> fsphil: and what was wrong with it - have you found out?
[15:00] <fsphil> never recovered
[15:01] <fsphil> still in a yorkshire field :)
[15:01] <Colin-G8TMV> Ah, sorry I meant wombat
[15:01] <Colin-G8TMV> fsphil: Ah, the one on the army range?
[15:01] <Randomskk> not yet, I was 36 hours without sleep by the time we got back yesterday ;) it's in the lab for a post-mortem later today or tomorrow
[15:01] <fsphil> Colin-G8TMV, possibly - depends on which side of the road it landed on
[15:02] <Randomskk> I suspect the VCO in the ADF wasn't being kept very well in tune by the pll, so it was putting out signal all over the place and masking the actual rtty
[15:02] <fsphil> we only know to within a few km of where it landed
[15:02] <Randomskk> but we'll see
[15:02] <Colin-G8TMV> Randomskk: thats another pretty important experimenting rule "never pull an allnighter just to get it ready"
[15:02] <Randomskk> well
[15:02] <fsphil> that's my rule #1 -- so far I've always broken it
[15:02] <Randomskk> Colin-G8TMV: again I think that's really situationally dependent
[15:02] <LazyLeopard> Heh!
[15:03] <Randomskk> we've had projects that must work -- sending up high risk/high value items
[15:03] <daveake> Actually, I get worried when I'm ready days before. I wonder what I missed :)
[15:03] <Randomskk> and yes, in those cases we have a /lot/ of testing, redundant systems, lots of checks, small-scale launches before the main thing, etc
[15:03] <Randomskk> but in other cases -- this one -- there were four separate systems to track the payload, and it malfunctioning introduced no new risk
[15:03] <Randomskk> but we had it transmitting a signal and wanted to see how it performed
[15:03] <LazyLeopard> Any more news from the Brum lot who forgot to plug their GPS in?
[15:03] <Randomskk> I really don't think we should have not put wombat in the box, or aborted the whole launch
[15:04] <Randomskk> but I mean, it's a point I'm happy to talk about, because I don't think it's a black and white issue
[15:05] <fsphil> the willingness for people to experiment a bit is what makes all this interesting. when I started people where still using big bulky flight computers, now they're teeny tiny things
[15:05] <Colin-G8TMV> I learned never to rush things when I was flying light aircraft - it's really important to get it right when it's your own neck on the line
[15:05] <daveake> Indeed Randomskk. My last flight I had a test tracker which I only started building a week before launch, but it was attached to a known working well-tested tracker so not great problem if it didn't work. Which it did anyway :)
[15:05] <Randomskk> Colin-G8TMV: to be sure! they're fast and high risk
[15:05] <Randomskk> and if you mess up you can cut people open
[15:05] <Randomskk> HABs are relatively slow, low risk and if I mess up I might lose the box
[15:05] <Randomskk> (with a constant risk every launch of landing on something/somehwere bad -- but the best payload won't help that)
[15:06] <Randomskk> (we do have stringent regulations on when and how we do the launch -- our actual launch procedures are good)
[15:06] <Colin-G8TMV> Randomskk: well... unless you wrap the payload in a duvet
[15:06] <Randomskk> (but when it comes to what payload we put in, we can afford to experiment)
[15:06] <daveake> LaztLeopard - Don't think so. Ping cuddykid as he was in SMS conversation with them
[15:06] <Randomskk> Colin-G8TMV: it's a lightweight foam box, with a foamy antenna made of flexible wire, under a sufficiently large parachute, with a predicted landing trajectory that avoids airports, flight paths and cities
[15:07] <Randomskk> like I said, we have procedures for launch to keep that constant risk safe, and it has nothing to do with the payload systems
[15:07] <Randomskk> beyond basics like "is this still a legal transmitter", which in any case it was
[15:07] <Colin-G8TMV> actually thinking of Antennas, the Ozzie1 antenna looked like rigid wire - I hope it didn't stab anything when it came down
[15:08] <Colin-G8TMV> Randomskk: from a tracking point of view I think the main imporvement in payloads would be frequency stability
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[15:08] <Randomskk> ironically a thing I was trying to work on here ;)
[15:08] <Randomskk> though not with this launch...
[15:09] <fsphil> stability would be brilliant
[15:09] <Colin-G8TMV> Apex moved several KHz yesterday
[15:09] <Randomskk> had wombat worked okay, it can change its transmit frequency really readily, which means it can temperature compensate itself
[15:09] <Randomskk> apex's radio couldn't be easily retuned
[15:09] <fsphil> Brum's was the worst I ever saw
[15:09] <daveake> Yep
[15:09] <daveake> Even worse than Buzz1
[15:09] <Randomskk> wombat in theory could have been dead precise by compensating itself for temperature drift over a huge range
[15:09] <Colin-G8TMV> Never heard the Brum one
[15:09] <fsphil> they must have had no insulation on the radio
[15:09] <Randomskk> Colin-G8TMV: again it's one of the things we're experimenting with
[15:09] <daveake> Buzz1 was a bit leaky
[15:10] <Colin-G8TMV> Also - I remember someone talking about dl-fldigi being able to re-tune the Rx to counteract drift - did that ever happen?
[15:10] <Randomskk> though to be honest I think frequency stability is only one of a number of things that could be improved for trackers
[15:10] <Randomskk> Colin-G8TMV: it's been able to for a while
[15:10] <Randomskk> so long as your radio is controllable by dl-fldigi to start with
[15:10] <fsphil> yea
[15:11] <fsphil> there was a bug in a previous version that meant it stopped tracking after a while, but the newer versions all work fine
[15:11] <Colin-G8TMV> Randomskk: oh, I must have missed that and I do have cat control for my 817
[15:11] <fsphil> I was able to setup my home radio to receive it, and leave it unattended
[15:11] <navrac> colin-G8TMV: the aerial looks rigid in the pictures but actually it was very thin wire - it would definatly bend rather than stab some one - which is why in the pics it isnt very straight - it actually deforms under its own weight
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[15:12] <fsphil> check in the configuration dialog, there's an option for it
[15:12] <fsphil> it's not enabled by default
[15:12] <Colin-G8TMV> will do when I get home this evening
[15:13] <Colin-G8TMV> Yesterday was the first time I did any tracking since moving house - it was really nice to have a real antenna on a real outside mast
[15:13] <fsphil> it is :)
[15:14] <Colin-G8TMV> house is amout 20m asl and tri-band colinear on a sCAM-12
[15:15] <Colin-G8TMV> unfortunately the ground rises to the south of the house, but takeoff in other directions is good
[15:15] <navrac> ,y house is 70mASL - trouble is the hill in front of it is a lot lot more
[15:15] <navrac> so i habve a blindspot to the SE. Which is exactly where the payload went
[15:16] <Colin-G8TMV> when I get some Round Tuits I'll get the beams on the mast - I've got a really old 21 Ele Tonna for 70cms
[15:16] <gonzo_> I'm in a hole in the ground, 60ft mast req just to be level with the surrounding land. But no probs for satellite or balloon tracking
[15:17] <fsphil> olivier58, what time did the balloon signal stop?
[15:17] <navrac> the local amateur who helped keep an eye on the tx levels whilst i was launching offered me a 60 foot mast - i said it wouldnt get passed planning - he said well i got permission - and i explained that the first step of the planning is persuading the wife
[15:18] <daveake> lol
[15:18] <navrac> i did show her - but the gain from the extra height was less than the cable loss from the 300m feeded which was as close as she will accept to the house
[15:19] <Colin-G8TMV> navrac: planning is one of the reasons I have the SCAM-12 - it's a "tempory" structure and doesn't need any permissions. It also is very quick to raise and lower
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> navrac: hardline, or a LNA on the mast.
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> navrac: Or indeed a remote radio.
[15:19] <Colin-G8TMV> navrac: or a shack 300m from the house
[15:20] <navrac> i did think of that - but i have to say the only suitable spot for it would be an eyesore for our neighbours. So we've agreed to move instead
[15:20] <Laurenceb> or just do a fritzl
[15:21] <cuddykid> still no post here - I think all my HAB packages have annoyed the postie
[15:21] <cuddykid> he likes to come now around 4
[15:22] <navrac> sadly the house we wanted (top of a hill, 6 acres with trees about 10 foot smaller than the mast and a barn underneath) just sold
[15:22] <W0OTM> Howdy
[15:22] <UpuWork> afternoon W0OTM
[15:22] <NigelMoby> hey marshal
[15:22] <cuddykid> g'day sir
[15:22] <W0OTM> I am spending some time putting together details on a North America HAB Race for this summer
[15:23] <cuddykid> that sounds good
[15:23] <UpuWork> a race ?
[15:23] <cuddykid> W0OTM - any more progress on the autonomous return vechicle?
[15:23] <UpuWork> UK entry : http://caravanstv.com/members/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/james_may_crash.jpg
[15:24] <cuddykid> lol
[15:24] <W0OTM> The idea being, a landing site is pre-determined, and the point is to launch your balloon from wherever each team decides is the best location to land closest to the Landing Zone
[15:24] <jonsowman> UpuWork: that was a fantastic top gear episode
[15:25] <W0OTM> cuddykid: Yes, we have launches planned this summer to continue BallooMerang progress
[15:25] <W0OTM> cuddykid: we did a 13,000ft drop at the end of last year (fall)
[15:25] <cuddykid> W0TOM: brilliant, I look forward to seeing the results. My glider is being made currently (delta wing design) - and APM2 should be arriving any day
[15:26] <W0OTM> APM = failure
[15:26] <W0OTM> IMO
[15:26] <cuddykid> APM2 - hopefully will be better
[15:26] <W0OTM> same sensor package
[15:26] <cuddykid> different sensors
[15:26] <cuddykid> really?
[15:26] <cuddykid> oh no
[15:27] <W0OTM> what evidence do you have that indicates different sensors?
[15:27] <cuddykid> I thought I read somewhere they were different - I'll double check
[15:27] <navrac> paging olivier58
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[15:27] <cuddykid> what are you opting for now W0OTM?
[15:28] <cuddykid> "First autopilot to use the MPU-6000 with digital motion processing" <- W0OTM
[15:29] <W0OTM> cuddykid: im not sure that mean different pressure & multi axis sensors on the board
[15:29] <cuddykid> :(
[15:30] <cuddykid> apparently the sensors on APM1 were analogue and APM2 ones are digital - guess they're different then
[15:30] <Laurenceb> openpilot ftw
[15:34] <W0OTM> cuddykid: how are you cutting your delta wing away?
[15:35] <W0OTM> cuddykid: releasing/launching
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[15:35] <cuddykid> W0OTM: descend by chute until about 15km in height then a nichrome cutdown inside glider to cut away from chute
[15:36] <W0OTM> cuddykid: good. how are you trigggering the hotwire?
[15:36] <cuddykid> W0OTM: from the main arduino based flight computer (separate from APM2)
[15:36] <cuddykid> with separate GPS
[15:37] <W0OTM> cuddykid: so it will be automatically triggered by altitude?
[15:37] <cuddykid> yes
[15:37] <W0OTM> what will prevent it from cutting on the way up?
[15:38] <cuddykid> I'll pop some code in to prevent that
[15:38] <W0OTM> ok
[15:38] <W0OTM> cool, im excited to hear your updates as well
[15:39] <x-f> why not release it on the way up?
[15:40] <cuddykid> x-f: hopefully once a reliable solution has been developed then it will be used for carrying equipment up to 30km +
[15:41] <cuddykid> initially though I'll be conducting low altitude tests and building the altitude up
[15:44] <NigelMoby> ping Dan-K2VOL
[15:46] <Dan-K2VOL> hey nigel
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[15:47] <NigelMoby> hey, this might interest u
[15:47] <NigelMoby> http://www.news-about-space.org/space-exploration-news/cluster13877721/
[15:50] <Dan-K2VOL> oh yes, that is quite cool
[15:51] <NigelMoby> very, I didn't realise there was a jetstream @ 60 miles
[15:54] <fsphil> high altitude jet stream?
[15:55] <Dan-K2VOL> fsphil, thats what that chinese balloon from califirnia rode
[15:55] <NigelMoby> yup
[15:56] <NigelMoby> didn't know it was 60 miles up, thought it was quite a lot lower
[15:56] <Dan-K2VOL> hmm, I was thinking it was too
[15:57] <fsphil> yea -- I knew it went up to the sort of altitude we normally reach
[15:57] <x-f> GPS don't work at that altitude, so it reported altitude somewhere lower :)
[15:57] <fsphil> 100km.. I wouldn't expect there to be wind there really
[15:57] <NigelMoby> snap
[15:58] <NigelMoby> wouldn't have thought there was enough air there tbh
[15:58] <BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_stream
[16:00] <fsphil> we just need to figure out how to get a balloon to 100km :)
[16:00] <NigelMoby> lol yus!
[16:00] <fsphil> Dan-K2VOL can figure it out I'm sure :)
[16:00] <Dan-K2VOL> heh put it on a rocket
[16:01] <fsphil> see!
[16:01] <Dan-K2VOL> :-P
[16:01] <NigelMoby> Yey rockets ftw
[16:01] <BrainDamage> make a rigid structure instead of a balloon, and evacuate it
[16:01] <fsphil> lead balloon
[16:01] <Dan-K2VOL> ah the ielusive vacuum balloon
[16:01] <NigelMoby> oh?
[16:02] <fsphil> spinning vacuum balloon might be easier, take some of the force away from the structure
[16:02] <BrainDamage> just use some unobtanium and adamantium for a lightweight material with huge bulk and shear modulus :p
[16:04] <Laurenceb> http://elm-chan.org/gfx/cnn14a.jpeg
[16:04] <Laurenceb> its an opamp :P
[16:06] <BrainDamage> an opamp with 555 pinout labels ?
[16:06] <daveake> 555s can do anything :-)
[16:06] <daveake> http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/555stool
[16:07] <BrainDamage> also, a resistor as tail current generator is quite shitty for an opamp
[16:25] <fsphil> can they make tea?
[16:27] <nigelvh> Get a lot of them, and overpower them, they'll heat up.
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[16:52] <cuddykid> I wonder if kaymont/Hwoyee could make us custom balloons&..
[16:52] <cuddykid> ones that float and ones that go super high? - I guess both are possible..
[16:52] <cuddykid> UpuWork/Upu get onto it! I would definitely buy them from your shop :P
[16:53] <UpuWork> hmm ? Thats Steve's department
[16:53] <cuddykid> well, he could be normal balloons, you "special" ones lol
[16:54] <cuddykid> I reckon they could make "floaters"
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[16:56] <cuddykid> postie still hasn't arrived& this could be a new record if he does turn up today at all
[16:57] <daveake> He's a floater. You just have to wait for him to land.
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[18:11] <W0OTM> So I want to fly a crossband repeater in my next payload. I have APRS 144.39. Would it be best to use 2M (147.500) as the uplink or downlink on the repeater?
[18:11] <nobby_noGPS> Is there anybody about who could give me some pointers re gps & arduino?
[18:11] <W0OTM> When the APRS beacons its going to interfere, but it is less likey to effect performance if I use the 2M as the downlink
[18:12] <W0OTM> UHF for uplink
[18:18] <Hibby> nobby_noGPS: potentially.
[18:18] <jonsowman> nobby_noGPS: ask, don't ask to ask :)
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[18:20] <nigelvh> Yes, use 2m downlink
[18:20] <nigelvh> xmitter and reciever on the same band is exactly why they have cavity filters, and they're kinda heavy to fly.
[18:22] <nobby_noGPS> Blimey I was falling asleep. Will Arduino Mega 2560 / Sparkfun TTL converter and Ublox Max 6q work or am I missing something?
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[18:23] <jonsowman> nobby_noGPS: that should sort the gps-mcu interface
[18:23] <nobby_noGPS> I have had no success todate. Appreciate there is a long listof things that could be wrong but any common pointers?
[18:24] <jonsowman> get a scope on the GPS txd line
[18:24] <jonsowman> make sure it's doing something
[18:24] <jonsowman> is it connected to the hardware uart on the arduino?
[18:24] <nobby_noGPS> I wish - don;'t have - A multi meter flashes bewteen 2'ish and 4.9ish volts - does that indicate anything?
[18:25] <jonsowman> sounds roughly promising
[18:25] <nobby_noGPS> Aha - I need to explain that I know less than zero about this subject what is the hardware uart on arduino?
[18:26] <jonsowman> the arduino megas have multiple hardware serial peripherals
[18:26] <jonsowman> 2 or 3 i i think
[18:26] <jonsowman> can you paste your code on http://pastie.org
[18:26] <nobby_noGPS> I have tried dig pin 0 & dig pin 1 - and dig pin 3 & 4 and reflected changes in TinyGPS..
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[18:26] <Upu> nobby_noGPS got a UM232R USB thingy ?
[18:27] <jonsowman> nobby_noGPS: ok so it's software serial
[18:27] <Upu> navrac you about ?
[18:27] <Upu> or daveake
[18:27] <nobby_noGPS> Jonsowman - thanks for help so far - I'll be back later got to take spogs to Air Cadets......
[18:27] <nobby_noGPS> should be spogs!
[18:27] <jonsowman> okay
[18:27] <eroomde> sprogs*
[18:27] <nobby_noGPS> bugger shgould be sprogs
[18:27] <eroomde> give up :p
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[18:28] <nobby_noGPS> I did long time ago -
[18:28] <daveake> Mega has 4 h/w UARTs, I'm prety sure
[18:28] <jonsowman> cool
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[18:29] <nigelvh> I don't know anything about the ublox, but make sure it's got TTL levels (not voltages) instead of RS232 levels (again, not voltages)
[18:29] <jonsowman> nigelvh: 3V3 signalling
[18:29] Action: Hibby faintly remembers ublox with newsoftserial
[18:29] <nigelvh> jonsowman, not voltages. Rather, whether a high means a binary 1 or 0, TTL and RS232 have them swapped.
[18:30] <eroomde> true dat
[18:30] <jonsowman> oh i see
[18:31] <nigelvh> Like I said, I don't know anything about the ublox, but there are a good number of GPS modules that do TTL voltages, but RS232 levels.
[18:31] <jonsowman> i've not come across one, but then i've only ever used 3 GPSes really
[18:32] <jonsowman> i wonder if tinygps has any scope for dealing with that
[18:32] <nigelvh> The Garmin 15-L is one that I've used. The High altitude GPS from Argent also has a set of lines for RS232 levels (in addition to a TTL set of lines)
[18:32] <jonsowman> how odd
[18:32] <nigelvh> I'm not sure the hardware uart on the atmels can do inverted signaling.
[18:32] <nigelvh> I haven't found it in the datasheet.
[18:32] <jonsowman> no but tinygps uses software serial
[18:33] <nigelvh> I have either used a hex inverter, or software serial, which CAN do inverted signalling
[18:33] <nigelvh> Tinygps doesn't care. Tinygps can use any serial source you like
[18:33] <nigelvh> It is COMMONLY paired with software serial.
[18:33] <jonsowman> it's been forever since i've used it
[18:34] <jonsowman> been forever since i've used an arduino for that matter
[18:35] <nigelvh> What I do most the time is etch my own boards, then stick an arduino compatible chip on there, mostly because I like the arduino bootloader.
[18:35] <jonsowman> I prefer raw AVRs really
[18:36] <nigelvh> I may move that direction. But for a long time I didn't have an ICSP programmer
[18:36] <nigelvh> Now I do, and I may move that direction.
[18:36] <jonsowman> well you can use an Arduino as an ICSP programmer if you really want
[18:36] <jonsowman> but a 'real' one is kind of nicer
[18:37] <nigelvh> I etched a board and put an 328p on it and attached a 6pin ICSP cable to it, USB on the other side. works pretty good.
[18:37] <W0OTM> nigelvh: the downlink wont interfere too badly with the APRS transmissions?
[18:38] <nigelvh> Shouldn't
[18:38] <W0OTM> ok
[18:38] <nigelvh> Obviously test it, but two xmitters in proximity should be fine.
[18:38] <W0OTM> ok, great
[18:38] <W0OTM> so uplink on 445.000 and dwn on 147.500 and APRS 144.39
[18:39] <nigelvh> On our balloons, we have a 434 data downlink, and a 427 video downlink and they work great.
[18:39] <W0OTM> excelent
[18:39] <W0OTM> thanks
[18:41] <nigelvh> Do test it a good bit though. I tried a cross band repeater once, (2m uplink) and it was kinda a last minute addition so it wasn't really tested, and lots of RF got into the cables connecting the reciever and xmitter, and so nothing actually got through the repeater.
[18:43] <nigelvh> Anyway, I'll be back later. It's lunch time.
[18:47] <cuddykid> still no pcbs!
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[18:48] <Randomskk> cuddykid: how long since you ordered? (from seeed/itead?)
[18:48] <Randomskk> I find they usually take 3-4 weeks :/
[18:48] <Upu> yeah same here
[18:48] <cuddykid> Randomskk: seed and 2 days off a month :P
[18:49] <Upu> UPS delivery as discussed is amazing but you don't get away with customs
[18:49] <cuddykid> yeah
[18:49] <cuddykid> Upu: do you have them now?
[18:49] <Upu> yep
[18:49] <cuddykid> nice
[18:49] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/4SEuT.jpg
[18:50] <Upu> you saw that earlier though ?
[18:51] <eroomde> daveake: "Payment of charges - Item being held, addressee being notified, March 10, 2012, 5:31 am, GREAT BRITAIN"
[18:51] <eroomde> so this was sent on feb 23rd
[18:51] <cuddykid> Upu: ahhh yes, silly me - not sure why that didn't click :S
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[18:53] Action: LazyLeopard had trouble with the "addressee being notified" bit with a parcel from the US once...
[18:54] <LazyLeopard> The alleged notification never materialised...
[18:54] <cuddykid> I've been very very lucky with international shipments in the past
[18:54] <cuddykid> had some high value items slip through the net
[18:54] <daveake> I've been havbing trouble with booked collections lately. First UPS then TNT didn't turn up on the requested day.
[18:54] <cuddykid> declared as low value "gifts"
[18:55] <jcoxon> evening all
[18:55] <daveake> Suspect it's cos I'm in the sticks and the driver's left the area.
[18:55] <Upu> evening
[18:55] <daveake> cuddykid Yeah my DSO was labelled as being worth £25 !!
[18:56] <cuddykid> what's a DSO daveake?
[18:56] <jonsowman> digital storage oscilloscope
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[19:04] <cuddykid> oh nice
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[19:14] <jcoxon> evening navrac_
[19:14] <navrac_> good evening - how are you doing
[19:15] <jcoxon> good thanks
[19:16] <navrac_> I'm busy looking at power saving techniques!
[19:16] <jcoxon> haha
[19:17] <nigelvh> Power switch off. Uses an amazingly low 0nA
[19:17] <navrac_> and better power sources - but I'm struggling to find anything with a better density/temp performance
[19:17] <jcoxon> navrac_, its a difficult balance
[19:18] <jcoxon> as people get annoyed when there are gaps in the signal
[19:18] <jcoxon> makes tracking much harder
[19:18] <jcoxon> i've done extensive tests
[19:18] <Bob_G8NSV> hi navrac
[19:18] <fsphil> shame we can't control power to the ntx2
[19:18] <navrac_> I think the only saving is to have a battery backup on the gps and shut it down
[19:18] <navrac_> hi
[19:18] <fsphil> have it transmit a low power carrier
[19:18] <jcoxon> power saving is inversely proportional to tracker happiness
[19:18] <NigeyS> lol
[19:18] <navrac_> yes, sadly
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[19:19] <navrac_> maybe i could fake every other gps position?
[19:19] <fsphil> lol
[19:19] <Bob_G8NSV> I have spent today thinking about power supplies
[19:19] <fsphil> or just transmit a message
[19:19] <navrac_> or change it to 'moved a bit but not much'
[19:19] <navrac_> any good thoughts?
[19:20] <jcoxon> well gaps between tx's
[19:20] <jcoxon> hellschrieber uses less power
[19:20] <jcoxon> as its duty is low
[19:20] <jcoxon> compared to rtty which is 100%
[19:20] <Bob_G8NSV> lightweight solar panels? might not power the whole thing but take some of the strain off the batteries?
[19:20] <navrac_> well yes thats true
[19:20] <navrac_> OOK
[19:20] <Bob_G8NSV> I thought of only keying the tx in bursts like packet?
[19:21] <Bob_G8NSV> but maybe stability is an issue?
[19:21] <jcoxon> yes that is a big issue
[19:21] <jcoxon> it drifts between setups
[19:22] <Bob_G8NSV> that seems a major problem with anything other than custom hardware then?
[19:22] <G0DJA> Would a mode like OLIVIA be better than RTTY on power use?
[19:22] <SpeedEvil> It's largely irrelevant.
[19:23] <G0DJA> Or would that be more complicated than a few resistors on 2 pins?
[19:23] <Bob_G8NSV> It may with a proper SSB TX but prob no difference with a constant carrier
[19:23] <SpeedEvil> The RF module uses ~20mW - shrinking this to ~10mW isn't going to help much
[19:23] <SpeedEvil> And it's way more complex.
[19:24] <Bob_G8NSV> It seems better temp control so the carrier can be dropped between transmissions
[19:27] <Bob_G8NSV> there are some thin film PV materials manufactured, dont know about cost, wonder what the cheap things they use in phone chargers weigh if you strip all the case and protective glass off the front?
[19:27] <Bob_G8NSV> I think some of those give 5 or 6V at around half a watt, more than enough?
[19:28] <MrCraig> off topic: has anyone here ever had the problem that 'some' ctrl+key combinations stop working? (ubuntu but same under xp) if so please let me know how you fixed that.
[19:28] <SpeedEvil> Bob_G8NSV: Those are hideously inefficient
[19:29] <SpeedEvil> Bob_G8NSV: Solar cells from ebay - monocrystalline - might be a worthwhile addition. Though stupidly fragile.
[19:29] <jcoxon> Bob_G8NSV, i've ordered some of those
[19:29] <jcoxon> will report back
[19:29] <nigelvh> What? You guys don't power your payloads off nuclear isotopes?
[19:29] <Bob_G8NSV> yes but if they are light we dont actually need much power, once its in the air it should be safe
[19:29] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1KW-Fantastic-3x6-Solar-Cells-550-Cells-Plus-Extras-/200723295866?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ebc0a6e7a
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[19:30] <nigelvh> Personally, I use car batteries
[19:30] <SpeedEvil> Each of these cells produces 1.5W or so, and weighs about 6 grams.
[19:31] <Bob_G8NSV> I have some links for companies who sell scrap ofcuts from bigger panels, apparently you can trim them and connect them up to make your own far cheaper than this.
[19:31] <SpeedEvil> See above
[19:31] <nigelvh> Each of those cells runs at 0.5v.
[19:31] <nigelvh> Need a serious booster.
[19:31] <SpeedEvil> Yep
[19:31] <SpeedEvil> They are also stupidly fragile.
[19:32] <Bob_G8NSV> http://www.siliconsolar.com/photovoltaic-solar-cells/broken-solar-cells/scrap-solar-cells-6oz.html
[19:32] <SpeedEvil> So 'disposable'
[19:32] <SpeedEvil> Bob_G8NSV: there are much better deals on ebay
[19:32] <Bob_G8NSV> you series small strips of them up
[19:33] <Bob_G8NSV> I got some glass backed ones a few years ago, too heavy tho
[19:33] <SpeedEvil> A boost converter to go from 0.5->4 or so is trivial - especially if you already have a few microamps at 4V available
[19:33] <Bob_G8NSV> no need you series the cells up till you get 4 or 5V
[19:34] <SpeedEvil> That's an alternative.
[19:34] <nigelvh> The issue comes down to space and weight. If you add full cells, they'll be too large, small chunks of cells won't put out much power.
[19:35] Action: SpeedEvil looks at his 2kWp of cells.
[19:35] <SpeedEvil> One dangling cell that you accept will get destroyed on landing isn't a bad balance.
[19:35] <Bob_G8NSV> dont need that much power what did your payl;oad draw navrac?
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[19:42] <navrac_> 20mA for the TX and the rest was really the gps and about 30mA - but thats from memory
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[19:42] <NigeyS> navrac was the gps in eco mode or powersave mode ?
[19:43] <navrac_> powersave i think, i'd have to look at the code
[19:43] <NigeyS> hmm it was a max6 ?
[19:43] <Bob_G8NSV> so half a watt at 5v should be more than enough?
[19:43] <NigeyS> cant find anything that details the powersave mode commands properly
[19:46] <cuddykid> navrac_: how may batteries did you fly with yesterday?
[19:47] <jcoxon> 2
[19:47] <jcoxon> 2xaaa
[19:47] <cuddykid> wow
[19:47] <nigelvh> Yeah, you win
[19:48] <cuddykid> that is impressive
[19:48] <nigelvh> Generally I fly with a 2000mAh lithium pack, though that leaves hours of runtime on the ground for tracking.
[19:49] <nigelvh> The video system generally flys with 3 or 4 10Ah lithium primary cells in series.
[19:49] <nigelvh> Not light.
[19:51] <fsphil> I doubt video will ever be that light weight
[19:51] <fsphil> not live video anyway
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[19:53] <nigelvh> That and the video transmitter is generally pushing a few watts all the time.
[19:53] <Bob_G8NSV> Will have to get hold of some of these panel offcuts and see what size the individual "cells" are and what power they give. That will limit if its viable to make a small array that gives enough for a leightweight payload assuming it is light enough.
[19:53] <navrac_> how owuld you do live video anyway - there must be frequency problems
[19:54] <fsphil> for the UK yea
[19:54] <nigelvh> We're in the US
[19:54] <fsphil> 2.4ghz is the only option, and that's silly low powers
[19:54] <nigelvh> Flywhatever the hell you like.
[19:54] <fsphil> everywhere else is fine :)
[19:54] <navrac_> 5.8GHz
[19:54] <SpeedEvil> Power is ~17%*1000W/m^2 normal to the sun.
[19:54] <SpeedEvil> For normal silicon cells.
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[19:54] <Bob_G8NSV> I seem to recall reading that you can cut them up by scoring with a sharp knife or glasscutter then snapping the substrate. You then solder very delicately onto the little printed metal bussbars
[19:56] <nigelvh> I think a glasscutter would be too much pressure.
[19:56] <nigelvh> maybe an exacto with a light touch would work
[19:57] <Bob_G8NSV> im sure it was something like a scalpel blede or such?
[19:57] <Bob_G8NSV> it would blede if you slip!!
[19:59] <SpeedEvil> Diamond works, as does diamond saw
[20:00] <SpeedEvil> http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/436317684-Diamond-tools-diamond-cutting-wire-wholesalers.html
[20:01] <nigelvh> There you go.
[20:01] <Bob_G8NSV> snapping down a straight edge like an engineers ruler, or the edge of a cut bit of glass?
[20:02] <nigelvh> Probably not going to get a straight snap
[20:02] <SpeedEvil> Certainly not
[20:02] <SpeedEvil> you need to score it first
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[20:04] <Bob_G8NSV> like glass then, score it with one of those little diamond marking pen thingies?
[20:04] <Bob_G8NSV> like the ones for marking glass
[20:05] <SpeedEvil> yes
[20:05] <SpeedEvil> The problem with that is you need a _really_ sharp diamond cutter, as the silicon is ~0.3mm thick
[20:06] <Bob_G8NSV> should be very light then?
[20:06] <SpeedEvil> The above linked 1.5W cells are ~5 grams
[20:06] <Bob_G8NSV> I wonder how many grammes per hundred milliwatts?
[20:07] <Laurenceb_> just use powerflex
[20:07] <Bob_G8NSV> Its looking viable then if the surgery can be peformed to produce custom arrays
[20:07] <Laurenceb_> or whatever its called
[20:07] <SpeedEvil> Remember, a randomly oriented vertical cell will only put out perhaps a quarter of its sticker wattge on average
[20:08] <Bob_G8NSV> you would have to have a hexagonal type of array like used on the old fashioned satellites
[20:09] <Bob_G8NSV> would be fine with a full sized balloon but real fun to achieve with a pico!
[20:10] <nobby_noGPS> does a gps spew out garbage when no signal or just blank sentences?
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> No, you don't.
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> You just need one panel, and charge when it's facing the sun, in pulses.
[20:11] <Bob_G8NSV> if you could power the payload totally during daylight and run on batteries only at night at the height of summer you may be able to power a floating payload for 24-48 hours (assuming it flaoted this long)
[20:12] <Bob_G8NSV> you could use the pulses to charge a big capacitor maybe, like those backup caps?
[20:13] <Laurenceb_> theres this think called a rechargeable battery
[20:13] <Bob_G8NSV> yes but they are heavy
[20:13] <Laurenceb_> not necessarily
[20:13] <Bob_G8NSV> true but what about low temp? most are not good at that
[20:14] <x-f> nobby_noGPS, it outputs normal NMEA sentences
[20:15] <x-f> depends on the GPS, it may be old information (when it had fix), may be garbage
[20:15] <Bob_G8NSV> I know lipo ones dont work well in the cold nor do nicads and nimh
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[20:17] <nobby_noGPS> tnx - all I get is lots of small 'a' with a little hat on - I keep trying...
[20:19] <x-f> nobby_noGPS, that sounds like baud rate problem - either between arduino and GPS or between arduino and serial monitor
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[20:19] <Bob_G8NSV> just off to take some photos of some bits I'm flogging on Evilbay to get some cash for my new projects!
[20:19] <Upu> nobby_noGPS do you have a USB to serial board ?
[20:21] <nobby_noGPS> nada - I have just got $GPGSA,A,3,15,25,09,22,12,bbbbbbbbbb - lots of rubbish
[20:22] <Upu> baud rate issue timing just slightly out ?
[20:22] <nobby_noGPS> any clues - I have it set at 9600
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[20:22] <Upu> softserial ?
[20:23] <nobby_noGPS> Yep - I know that much but don't ask me anything difficuly(!) :) as I a newbie..
[20:23] <Upu> What arduino are you using ?
[20:23] <nobby_noGPS> Mega 2560
[20:23] <Upu> thats got hardware UARTS ?
[20:24] <Upu> lots of them ?
[20:24] <daveake> Plenty
[20:24] <NigeyS> 4
[20:24] <nobby_noGPS> But if I need to I can pinch my 15 year old's Uno
[20:24] <Upu> whats the GPS ? and is it 5V "ok" ?
[20:25] <Upu> Mega should be find as long as you have the GPS plugged into one of the hardware UARTS
[20:25] <nobby_noGPS> It a ublox max 6q via Sparkun frun TTL convertor - Maybe I have no CLUE!
[20:25] <cuddykid> no then - needs 3v3 I think
[20:25] <cuddykid> Upu's board to the rescue
[20:26] <Upu> its a 3.3v module
[20:26] <Upu> how are you powering it ?
[20:26] <nobby_noGPS> Yep power is 3.3 as is logic after TTL convertor
[20:26] <nobby_noGPS> Power - Probably on raw ac - it from the Arduino via a smoothed voltage regulator
[20:26] <Upu> would that be the logic that can supply 50mA and the GPS that can take up to 100mA under acquisition ?
[20:27] <Upu> possible power issue ?
[20:27] <nobby_noGPS> DHow much can the Arduino spit out at 5v - I'll go looking
[20:27] <Upu> more than that
[20:27] <Upu> but the ublox is 3.3v so be careful
[20:28] Action: Hibby had the issue of the arduino not providing enough current to run a ublox gps
[20:28] <Upu> is the MAX on a breakout board of some sort ?
[20:28] <nobby_noGPS> I definately have 3.3v powering and 3.3v logic on the gps side and 5'ish logib on the arduino side
[20:29] <nobby_noGPS> Yup - I think I got it from a rather suspect person...
[20:29] <Upu> oh you have one of mine ?
[20:29] <nobby_noGPS> Yes - but the blame is all mine as I haven't got a clue...
[20:29] <Upu> lol
[20:30] <Upu> ok well try this
[20:30] <Upu> make a 3.3v power
[20:30] <Upu> from something not the Arduino
[20:30] <Upu> connect GND to GND
[20:30] <Upu> on Arduino and GPS
[20:30] <Upu> connect the 3.3v to the breakout
[20:31] <Upu> then connect TX on the GPS ONLY to an RX pin on the Arduino
[20:31] <Upu> and see if you get anything
[20:31] <Upu> do you have any 3.3v regulators lying about ? :)
[20:31] <nobby_noGPS> panic .. I'll give it q go - may be a while... Would a 9v bat be ok via voltage reg to power it
[20:32] <Upu> depends on the regulator
[20:32] <Upu> some have limits on the input voltage
[20:32] <Upu> got a bench PSU ?
[20:32] <Upu> no need to panic you've not knackered it as its giving something out
[20:32] <nobby_noGPS> 30amp 12v - overkill !
[20:32] <Upu> whats your call sign ? :)
[20:32] <Hibby> You can never have too much power.
[20:33] <nobby_noGPS> Arghh to obvios
[20:33] <nobby_noGPS> Phone back shortly
[20:34] <Upu> Don't worry about being a "noob" trust me we've all been there
[20:34] <fsphil-laptop> me, several times
[20:34] <Upu> apart from Laurenceb and Darkside who I'm sure have probably forgotten more than I'll ever know
[20:35] <Upu> I've left my Arduino at work or I'd set something up
[20:37] <nobby_noGPS> I'm sure I can elevate my handle to something appropriate when I beaten the silicon infront of me - Call Sign is...
[20:38] <nobby_noGPS> GOLF 6 SHORT WAVE JAMMER
[20:39] <Upu> Well good evening Jonathan
[20:39] <nobby_noGPS> I sometimes hate technology..
[20:39] <jonsowman> yes Upu? :P
[20:39] <Upu> :)
[20:39] <Upu> you're Jon :)
[20:39] <jonsowman> short for jonathan
[20:39] <Upu> indeed
[20:39] <jonsowman> lol
[20:39] <nobby_noGPS> common as.
[20:39] <Upu> anyway
[20:40] <Upu> Ok so what port on the Arduino Mega is the GPS TX plugged into ?
[20:40] <nobby_noGPS> one - only got one line connected
[20:41] <Upu> port 1 ?
[20:41] <nobby_noGPS> +have an ld33v regulator
[20:42] <Upu> go knock up a PSU on a breadboard
[20:42] <Upu> lets get a stable 3.3v
[20:43] <Upu> btw the GPS TXD should go into pin 0 on the Mega
[20:43] <Upu> thats Digital pin0 RX0
[20:46] <nobby_noGPS> working on it
[20:46] <Upu> no probs
[20:46] <Hibby> comment your code!
[20:46] <Upu> lol
[20:46] Action: Hibby has just discovered the value of it!
[20:46] <Upu> [20:45] * Hibby looks back and thanks past hibby for commenting code.
[20:46] <Upu> [20:45] <Hibby> // PWM period = 125 KHz / 625 = 200 Hz
[20:47] <nobby_noGPS> yup - it's all crap
[20:47] <Hibby> that's the one!
[20:47] <Upu> off to make a brew
[20:47] <nigelvh> I haven't been reading the whole thing, but remember that the 3.3v on arduino boards is provided by the FTDI and can't source much current
[20:47] <nigelvh> Probably not enough to run a GPS.
[20:47] <daveake> Yeah, Upu's covered that one
[20:48] <Hibby> NigeyS: I had that issue. Spent ages bouncing my head off a wall
[20:48] <Hibby> even more depressing, I had an E(M)E degree by that point.
[20:48] <daveake> :D
[20:50] <daveake> Does it help if I tell you that I once needed 12V to run a TV, so I took an unsmoothed DC supply + separate smoothing unit, and instead of setting to about 8.5V (*1.4 = 12V) I set it to 18.5V (12 * 1.4) ?
[20:51] <Hibby> beautiful.
[20:51] <daveake> TV worked fine for a few minutes then some magic smoke escaped
[20:51] <daveake> After cooling down it did actually work again, amazingly. Russian engineering :D
[20:51] <Hibby> ah, that damned black smoke
[20:52] <Upu> "magic smoke" :)
[20:52] <fsphil-laptop> they must have put extra magic smoke into it
[20:52] <fsphil-laptop> for just that case
[20:52] <daveake> Exactly :)
[20:52] <Hibby> lol
[20:52] <daveake> Well the -ve line was a red wire, so I guess they were protecting themselves
[20:53] <daveake> I was at Uni at the time so I did have the excuse of not yet having an Electronics degree
[20:53] <fsphil-laptop> I've cunningly still got that excuse
[20:54] <daveake> Good plan
[20:54] <Hibby> lolol
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[20:55] <Upu> nobby_noGPS http://pastebin.com/amAMhtWH thats just a read and echo routine I used for testing my original payload on an Arduino Dodecahedronulimovovo
[20:56] <Hibby> hahah
[20:56] <Hibby> Duemilanove?
[20:56] <Upu> yeah one of those
[20:56] <Upu> did you type that or google it ?
[20:57] <Hibby> There's one on my desk here at our 'hackerspace' beside my msp430 and coke can
[20:57] Action: fsphil-laptop cunningly got an Uno
[20:57] <daveake> I think you've stumbled on the real reason that I usea Mega Pro :)
[20:57] <Upu> lol
[20:57] <Hibby> sorry, abandoned in favour of my msp430
[20:58] <nobby_noGPS> Hi Guys - Taxi service required - thanks for help - I have to continue on another night - thanks again..73's
[20:59] <Hibby> we're alway here
[20:59] <Hibby> some of us don't leave
[20:59] <daveake> :)
[20:59] <Upu> have fun
[20:59] <daveake> It's a hard HABit to break
[20:59] <fsphil-laptop> noooo
[20:59] <fsphil-laptop> stop right there !
[21:00] <Upu> thats the 4th bad joke in 24 hours
[21:00] <daveake> That's a different song
[21:00] <daveake> 4th?
[21:00] <daveake> Not double figures yet then
[21:00] <Upu> sure fsphil made one the other day
[21:00] <fsphil-laptop> none of my jokes are bad
[21:00] <Upu> right so question
[21:00] <Upu> http://uk.farnell.com/on-semiconductor/ncp1402sn33t1g/ic-voltage-regulator/dp/1703414
[21:00] <daveake> I thought you meant 4 just by me :p
[21:00] <Upu> why doesn't that regulate when it gets past supply voltage of 3.3
[21:00] <Upu> it boosts up until then
[21:01] <fsphil-laptop> you can't boost down?
[21:01] <Upu> well I understand you boost when the the supply < 3.3 and you regulate when its > 3.3v
[21:01] <Upu> but that just boosts
[21:01] <Upu> and it sure says "regulator" in the description
[21:01] <daveake> Over on the right of that page there's a "Live Tech Support" button :p
[21:01] <Upu> hmm
[21:02] <Upu> you know thats going to be a waste of 10 mins
[21:02] <daveake> yep
[21:02] <fsphil-laptop> there is an IC that works both ways
[21:02] <Upu> linky mclinky of the clan mclink pls
[21:02] <fsphil-laptop> it's for getting 5V from 4x AAs
[21:02] <fsphil-laptop> googling now
[21:02] <Upu> does it boost though ?
[21:02] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[21:03] <fsphil-laptop> maxim make it, that's all I remember
[21:03] <nigelvh> First sentence of the datasheet. The NCP1402 series are monolithic micropower step-up DC to DC converter that are specially designed for powering portable equipment from one or two cell battery packs.
[21:03] <nigelvh> Boost only
[21:04] <Upu> yeah
[21:04] <Upu> thats what I suspected
[21:04] <Upu> the Farnell page is misleading
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[21:04] <Upu> never mind I'll redesign
[21:04] <fsphil-laptop> http://www.maxim-ic.com/datasheet/index.mvp/id/1742
[21:05] <daveake> http://www.maxim-ic.com/datasheet/index.mvp/id/1742
[21:05] <Upu> no use for single cell
[21:05] <daveake> Nope
[21:05] <daveake> Too slow again
[21:05] <fsphil-laptop> you'd never need to regulate from a single cell?
[21:05] <Upu> :)
[21:05] <fsphil-laptop> always boost?
[21:06] <Upu> I was trying to make a board that you can run from 1 cell or connect up 4 etc for long duration
[21:06] <Upu> can wire them in parallel I guess ?
[21:07] <daveake> These things are aimed at Li-Ion cells
[21:07] <daveake> So they don't go down as low as we'd like
[21:08] <nigelvh> You could certainly wire them in parallel
[21:08] <daveake> For long duration 2 AAs would be fine
[21:08] <nigelvh> That is in fact what you would want to do to increase operating time.
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[21:10] <Elmar_PD3EM> good evening!
[21:10] <Upu> evening
[21:10] <fsphil-laptop> evening Elmar_PD3EM
[21:11] <Elmar_PD3EM> hi! Have you seen some ozzie flying over the UK? it was an amazing flight yesterday
[21:12] <Upu> sadly missing in action
[21:13] <Elmar_PD3EM> indead. wonering where it finally landed...
[21:13] <fsphil-laptop> very likely the ocean
[21:14] <Elmar_PD3EM> probably but the last predictions back to the uk where amazing
[21:14] <fsphil-laptop> yea!
[21:14] <fsphil-laptop> and it was following it perfectly
[21:14] <fsphil-laptop> we could almost do a sample return mission
[21:15] <Elmar_PD3EM> a balloomerang ;-)
[21:15] <Elmar_PD3EM> I don't think my first launch will make it that far
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[21:17] <navrac_> i didnt either
[21:17] <Elmar_PD3EM> but you made it an amazing flight navrac!
[21:17] <navrac_> luck more than judgement
[21:17] <Elmar_PD3EM> well, we all needs some luck
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[21:18] <navrac_> i would like to take credit for great design but in reality it just happened.
[21:18] <Elmar_PD3EM> you have some pictures yet from the launch?
[21:19] <Elmar_PD3EM> with the balloon?
[21:19] <navrac_> I just concentrated on keeping the weight to about 30g as it meant that there was enough capacity in the balloon to expand
[21:19] <navrac_> no sadly I didnt - camera was on the side but in the panic i forgot to grab it
[21:20] <Elmar_PD3EM> i can imagine that....
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[21:22] <Elmar_PD3EM> i bought a small 434 MHz TX on the fleemarket last saturday but it has ASK modulation.... Looks like a fail for pre-NTX2 testing ;-)
[21:23] <navrac_> upu has some cheap nx2's
[21:23] <Elmar_PD3EM> I allready arranged that with him
[21:23] <navrac_> i looked at http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:microballoons:data
[21:23] <Upu> will post tomorrow PD3EM
[21:24] <Upu> float time :)
[21:24] <Elmar_PD3EM> haha great Upu!!
[21:24] <navrac_> andsay which one floated - and went for a payload of 1/4 of it as i reckon 1 balloon would work better
[21:25] <Upu> seemed to work
[21:26] <Upu> you cleared me out of Sarantels anyway had to order some more today
[21:26] <Elmar_PD3EM> looking forward to do some testing with the Arduino Uno and pro mini :-)
[21:27] <navrac_> so ozzie2 is a similar principle but with much better power conservation and some extra interesting bits
[21:27] <Elmar_PD3EM> so the sarantels are going fast upu
[21:27] <Upu> when is that going up ?
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[21:28] <navrac_> i reckon a month to test the tech
[21:28] <Upu> ok
[21:28] <Upu> going to be another foil launch ?
[21:28] <daveake> Upu I've just replaced the 1400 with the 1402 you kindly sent to me
[21:28] <Upu> ok
[21:28] <Upu> its just a boost isn't it ?
[21:28] <navrac_> yep
[21:28] <Upu> silly Farnell page
[21:28] <navrac_> it did regulate a bit when i gave it 5 volts
[21:29] <Upu> not a major issue but I'll have to redo one of the PCB's
[21:29] <Upu> still all testing
[21:29] <Upu> be fine for the Pico board
[21:29] <daveake> I think I've discovered a new force of nature. It's like gravity, but the smaller the component the more it's attracted to the floor.
[21:29] <navrac_> but only till i noticed it was powered at 5v
[21:29] <navrac_> and acccording to how long the carpet pile is and its similarity to the colour of the carpet
[21:29] <Upu> :)
[21:30] <daveake> navrac_ "It did regulated a bit" ... I tried earlier with a 1400 (baby version of the 1402) and it just gave a schottky diode drop when "stepping down"
[21:30] <daveake> Your circtui the same as in the datasheet?
[21:31] <daveake> Oh dear, Number10 seems to have taken over my keyboard :p
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[21:32] <fsphil-laptop> haha
[21:32] <fsphil-laptop> poor number10
[21:32] <andrew_apex> i'm helping troubleshoot a HAB payload with a NiM2 transmitte - we're seeing 5 lines on fldigi - any ideas?
[21:32] <andrew_apex> (equally spaced lines)
[21:32] <andrew_apex> it isn't an issue at lower baud rates
[21:32] <daveake> Well my Sparkfun step-up board survived the change and my fubled soldering
[21:33] <daveake> fumbled
[21:33] <navrac_> could be becaue i was taking too muck load as it was running at 5v
[21:33] <daveake> Yeah, no load you get o/p=i/p above 3.3V
[21:34] <daveake> If you look at the circuit there's a DC path from Vin to Vout with an inductor and schottky diode between
[21:34] <Upu> At 50 baud Andrew ?
[21:34] <navrac_> yerah just looked and saw that
[21:34] <andrew_apex> it's only a real problem at 300 baud
[21:34] <andrew_apex> only slightly there at 50
[21:34] <andrew_apex> the tx line spikes up to 3v3 for 25uS when switching from space to mark and down to 0v for 25uS when going mark to space - is that the issue?
[21:34] <fsphil-laptop> never seen that before
[21:34] <jonsowman> andrew_apex: sounds suspicious
[21:35] <fsphil-laptop> how is it wired up?
[21:35] <jonsowman> why don't you bench power supply on the NiM2 TXD pin and check
[21:35] <daveake> 2 * Lithium = 3.64V initially (and briefly) but that shouldn't give 3.3V logic much to worry about
[21:35] <andrew_apex> can do
[21:35] <andrew_apex> wired as the standard two pins, resistor mixing
[21:35] <jonsowman> andrew_apex: what's driving it?
[21:35] <andrew_apex> gadgeteer...
[21:36] <jonsowman> and it's switching the two pins as close together as possible?
[21:36] <jonsowman> can you get a scope probe on the two lines from the gadgeteer
[21:36] <andrew_apex> seems to be at the same time scoping the pins
[21:36] <jonsowman> hmm ok
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[21:47] <Elmar_PD3EM> Upu: I got a question about http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[21:47] <Upu> shoot
[21:47] <Elmar_PD3EM> at point 6 you wrote: Connect pins 4 & 5 to the MARK and SPACE....
[21:47] <Upu> int RADIO_SPACE_PIN=4;
[21:47] <Upu> int RADIO_MARK_PIN=5;
[21:47] <Elmar_PD3EM> but on the photo they are connected to pin 2 and 3
[21:48] <Upu> nice spot
[21:49] <Elmar_PD3EM> so, that wouldn't work when following the photos and code....
[21:49] <Upu> I'd put them in pins 4 and 5
[21:49] <Upu> or just amend the code
[21:49] <Upu> not sure how I managed that
[21:49] <Elmar_PD3EM> ;-)
[21:51] <Upu> its an open Wiki feel free to correct my glaring errors :)
[21:52] <Upu> and the radio is set to LSB
[21:52] <Upu> when it should have been USB
[21:55] <Elmar_PD3EM> true...but it worked on LSB or are the screanshot from another moment
[21:55] <daveake> "Fixing errors in this wiki is left as an exercise for the reader"
[21:55] <Upu> yeah because I'd got the lines reversed
[21:55] <Upu> afk dog walking
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[22:00] <jonsowman> cambridge from the air
[22:00] <jonsowman> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/6976582895/in/set-72157629205404002/
[22:00] <NigeyS> ohh pwetty!
[22:01] <jonsowman> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/6976497619/in/set-72157629205404002/
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[22:02] <F5MVO> Good evening all
[22:02] <Elmar_PD3EM> Evening F5MVO !
[22:03] <F5MVO> Emar_PD3EM: HELLO
[22:03] <NigeyS> nice vid jonsowman, i feel sea sick now! lol
[22:03] <F5MVO> Have you news about Ozzie1 ?
[22:03] <jonsowman> haha
[22:04] <NigeyS> F5MVO, ozzie is dead :(
[22:04] <NigeyS> batteries expired
[22:04] <jonsowman> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/6976553019/in/set-72157629205404002/
[22:04] <F5MVO> no come back in UK ?
[22:06] <NigeyS> jonsowman, very nice!!
[22:06] <NigeyS> F5MVO, no, no return
[22:06] <NigeyS> spooky, thats twice today ive seen the numbers 666 :| my order total, and electric meter reading :|
[22:06] <F5MVO> Nigeys , by the big circle ?
[22:07] <NigeyS> F5MVO, no, it probably burst this morning
[22:07] <andrew_apex> with serial, do you want a delay between bytes?
[22:07] <jonsowman> oh this is particularly good
[22:07] <jonsowman> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/6830432856/in/set-72157629205404002/
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[22:07] <SpeedEvil> jonsowman: neat!
[22:07] <F5MVO> jonsowman, beautiful picture, its the Thames ?
[22:08] <jonsowman> F5MVO: it's the Cam in Cambridge
[22:10] <Upu> F5MVO : http://ava.upuaut.net/files/IMG_6480_stitch.jpg thats the Thames and Northern France in the distance, maybe you can see your house ?
[22:10] <Upu> good pictures for a phone jonsowman
[22:11] <jonsowman> Upu: yeah
[22:11] <fsphil-laptop> indeed
[22:11] <jonsowman> the videos are good too
[22:11] <jonsowman> i'm quite impressed
[22:11] <Upu> just watching
[22:11] <fsphil-laptop> twisty earth: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/6976569785/in/set-72157629205404002
[22:11] <F5MVO> Upu, beautiful , with the Thames at the right and France on the left !
[22:12] <jonsowman> a cord at the bottom corner of the payload caught on my finger as i let go of it
[22:12] <jonsowman> so it was swinging quite a bit :(
[22:12] <jonsowman> fsphil-laptop: haha
[22:12] <fsphil-laptop> same phone that launched before jonsowman?
[22:12] <jonsowman> fsphil-laptop: yep
[22:12] <jonsowman> this is its third flight
[22:12] <fsphil-laptop> neat!
[22:13] <jonsowman> http://www.nivnac.co.uk/files/HAPSD_NOVA8/HAPS-D_pan1_quarter.jpg
[22:13] <fsphil-laptop> video doesn't have to much twisting you usually see in a cmos camera
[22:13] <jonsowman> ^ panorama from Nova 8
[22:13] <Upu> yeah thats fantastic
[22:13] <Upu> did they have a UV filter on that ?
[22:14] <jonsowman> i don't thikn so
[22:14] <jonsowman> i want to do a panorama with GoPros
[22:14] <jonsowman> you know, when we have £2500 or so to spend on cameras
[22:14] <Upu> well
[22:14] <jonsowman> ¬.¬
[22:14] <andrew_apex> :D
[22:14] <NigeyS> upu
[22:14] <fsphil-laptop> video panorama
[22:14] <F5MVO> Upu, i can put the link, in french forum ?
[22:14] <jonsowman> fsphil-laptop: yep
[22:14] <andrew_apex> don't give the gopro array to apex...
[22:14] <Upu> Microsoft Image Composite Editor can do video panormas
[22:14] <fsphil-laptop> I want to do that, and project the results onto a sphere that you can stand in
[22:14] <NigeyS> you captured mars in that stitched image
[22:14] <jonsowman> fsphil-laptop: that would be so cool
[22:14] <Upu> yes F5MVO not a problem just link it back to http://ava.upuaut.net pls
[22:15] <Upu> 2E0UPU is my call sign if you want it
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[22:15] <jonsowman> fsphil-laptop: https://xkcd.com/941/
[22:15] <jonsowman> i want to put a gopro on two seperate balloons
[22:15] <jonsowman> and do that ^
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[22:16] <fsphil-laptop> yea!
[22:17] <Upu> lol
[22:17] <Upu> jonsowman http://ava.upuaut.net/files/cameras.jpg
[22:17] <jonsowman> :o
[22:17] <jonsowman> what was that for?
[22:17] <Upu> Manlab
[22:18] <jonsowman> ahh
[22:18] <jonsowman> i guess you didn't get to keep them after?
[22:18] <Elmar_PD3EM> beer and cameras ;-)
[22:18] <NigeyS> upu www.nigey.co.uk/images/upu.png
[22:18] <Upu> and James May if you look carefully
[22:18] <jonsowman> :D
[22:18] <Upu> yeah NigeyS there is the moon on there but people decided those were noise
[22:18] <Elmar_PD3EM> and a FT-817 :-)
[22:19] <Upu> that was mine
[22:19] <fsphil-laptop> they're too bright to be planets
[22:19] <Upu> rest of it was the BBC's
[22:19] <NigeyS> ill check stellarium, theyre on / near the ecliptic, so probably not noise
[22:19] <Upu> look just up to the left of those
[22:19] <fsphil-laptop> look how faint the moon is
[22:19] <Upu> pic was taken 1st October ~1530
[22:19] <NigeyS> ta
[22:20] <Elmar_PD3EM> put a few GoPro in one payload and you'll have an IMAX 3D hit movie
[22:20] <fsphil-laptop> not much 3D though
[22:20] <Upu> Did you ever see Manlab Elmar_PD3EM ?
[22:20] <Elmar_PD3EM> no... i haven't
[22:21] <Elmar_PD3EM> must turn the dish more often to the hotbird ;-)
[22:21] <fsphil-laptop> it's not as bad as it sounds :)
[22:21] <Upu> Sent you a PM Elmar_PD3EM
[22:22] <Upu> Reminds me I didn't watch Orbit on Sunday
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[22:22] <jojo25> Penis Advantage http://alturl.com/x8yp9
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[22:23] <Laurenceb_> erm wut
[22:23] <Laurenceb_> someones spamming irc
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[22:23] <Laurenceb_> thats nuts
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[22:24] <jonsowman> oops, that wasn't him, was it./
[22:24] <daveake> nope :)
[22:24] <cuddykid> lol
[22:24] <Upu> well never seen that
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[22:24] <fsphil-laptop> that used to happen on dalnet all the time
[22:24] <fsphil-laptop> never seen it here
[22:25] <daveake> Someone mentioned "hot bird". I bet that did it.
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[22:26] <Elmar_PD3EM> haha... it's just a satellite but someone is having other thoughts with that ;-0
[22:26] <fsphil-laptop> I've an LNB pointing at that satellite but there really isn't much on there
[22:27] <fsphil-laptop> not much english stuff anyway. plenty of german channels
[22:27] <Elmar_PD3EM> I'm having problems with my rotator... moving around a few mm on the wind...
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[22:34] <Elmar_PD3EM> how's the aurora in Scotland?
[22:34] <Elmar_PD3EM> http://helios.swpc.noaa.gov/ovation/images/Ovation_Europe.png
[22:35] <Upu> Ask Hibby
[22:36] <Upu> I couldn't see anything and I'm just on the edge of that
[22:36] <fsphil-laptop> c,khjd
[22:36] <fsphil-laptop> er
[22:36] <fsphil-laptop> cloudy here
[22:37] <Elmar_PD3EM> getting way to late here......
[22:37] <Upu> yeah I'm off night all
[22:37] <Elmar_PD3EM> my glass of Glenmorangie is empty...
[22:37] <Upu> good choice
[22:37] <fsphil-laptop> nighters!
[22:37] <Elmar_PD3EM> so time to go
[22:37] <Upu> nn
[22:37] <Elmar_PD3EM> good night all!
[22:37] <NigeyS> nn
[22:37] <fsphil-laptop> typical, there's an aurora above me right now and I can't see it
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[22:39] <LazyLeopard> Good solid orange eight-eighths here too...
[22:40] <fsphil-laptop> wonder if there's any radio effects
[22:40] <LazyLeopard> Probably. Havn't turned the radio on since early this afternoon.
[22:41] <LazyLeopard> Even managed a good clear contact on 40 just after lunch today, but it was getting a bit ropy by tea time.
[22:42] <LazyLeopard> ...so I switched off.
[22:42] <fsphil-laptop> my radio's only setup for vhf/uhf atm
[22:44] <fsphil-laptop> don't hear anything unusual
[22:45] <F5MVO> Elmar_PD3EM : you know ? http://www.reversebeacon.net/main.php
[22:49] <fsphil-laptop> he's gone F5MVO
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[22:50] <Morseman> No one reporting any auroral effects on the Amateur 70MHz or 50MHz bands and they usually get affected early on
[22:50] <fsphil-laptop> ah
[22:50] <SpeedEvil> http://aurorawatch.lancs.ac.uk/
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[22:50] <SpeedEvil> AuroraWatch UK status:
[22:50] <SpeedEvil> No significant activity
[22:50] <daveake> Can I take my tin foil hat off yet?
[22:50] <BrainDamage> no
[22:51] <daveake> :(
[22:51] <jonsowman> best keep it on permanently daveake
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[22:51] <daveake> Sounds like sound advice
[22:56] <F5MVO> good night all, see you later
[22:57] <fsphil-laptop> night F5MVO
[22:57] <daveake> nn
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[23:09] <jcoxon> evening
[23:09] <jonsowman> hello jcoxon
[23:09] <jcoxon> so i might launch this weekend with steve
[23:10] <G0DJA> What will it be James?
[23:10] <jcoxon> well thats the question
[23:11] <jcoxon> either i can do a latex floatr
[23:11] <jcoxon> or i can do a foil low alt floater
[23:11] <G0DJA> From Cambridge?
[23:12] <jcoxon> suffolk
[23:12] <G0DJA> AH
[23:13] <G0DJA> XABEN or what?
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[23:13] <jcoxon> well it'll be an Atlas
[23:13] <jcoxon> but same thing
[23:13] <G0DJA> OK - so 434 something
[23:13] <jcoxon> yes
[23:14] <G0DJA> I'll try to leave the vertical up as long as it doesn't look too windy
[23:14] <G0DJA> but we will have Megan again this weekend so usual trip up to Wakefield to take her back to Mum
[23:15] <G0DJA> and now we've joined a fitness centre Kate is talking about swimming on a Sunday afternoon now
[23:16] <jcoxon> most likely saturday
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[23:18] <G0DJA> I'll have to see if I can get the FLDigi to control the freq - the CAT works
[23:24] <jcoxon> night all
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