highaltitude.log.20120311

[00:00] <Laurenceb_> but its doesnt say how many adc bits
[00:00] <Laurenceb_> cc1020 has 3 bits
[00:00] <Laurenceb_> and "works"
[00:01] <Laurenceb_> oh - 7-BIT ADC
[00:01] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[00:01] <Laurenceb_> wtf
[00:01] <Lunar_Lander> schofieldau: ROFL
[00:02] <Laurenceb_> so image reject is analogue?
[00:02] <Laurenceb_> page 41
[00:04] <Laurenceb_> wait... doesnt it output raw signal anyway?
[00:06] <Lunar_Lander> schofieldau: I'm almost dying now
[00:06] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[00:08] <Laurenceb_> I,Q TO TxRxCLK, TxRxDATA
[00:08] <Laurenceb_> god knows.... make a breakout and try fiddling
[00:08] <Laurenceb_> it may well be better than cc1020 :P
[00:09] <Randomskk> to be honest I'm not sure I'd even bother trying when it already has what looks like pretty decent rx stuff onboard
[00:09] <Randomskk> I'd be tempted to just let it do the demodulation, for most of my purposes
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[00:10] <Laurenceb_> yeah it has a modem, i see now
[00:10] <Laurenceb_> seems rather poorly documented
[00:10] <Laurenceb_> id just use si4432 :P
[00:11] <Randomskk> maybe I should
[00:11] <Randomskk> it does seem poorly documented which is annoying
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[00:14] <Randomskk> Laurenceb_: are Si443xs generally available though? :P
[00:14] <Randomskk> farnell don't seem to carry them..
[00:14] <Laurenceb_> mouser
[00:15] <Laurenceb_> Si4467 looks good, havent read datasheet yet
[00:15] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Digikey make any progress on what they're doing?
[00:15] <Laurenceb_> it has some awesome networking stuff too
[00:16] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: hallam is sending me some
[00:16] <Laurenceb_> Digikey are trying to order some from sige, but i doubt they will have much luck
[00:16] <SpeedEvil> Annoying.
[00:17] <SpeedEvil> I gather that they are EOL, and they don't have any?
[00:17] <Laurenceb_> yes
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[00:18] <SpeedEvil> Can you use the new part - if you redesign - or are there similar parts that'll allow you to do the same idea?
[00:19] <Laurenceb_> the 4150 is annoying
[00:19] <Laurenceb_> only 8msps sampling
[00:20] <SpeedEvil> So you'd need an extra lookup stage, I guess.
[00:28] <Randomskk> Laurenceb_: actually
[00:29] <Randomskk> the adf7021 has a dedicated MIX_I, MIX_I/, MIX_Q, MIX_Q/, FILT_I, FILT_I/, FILT_Q, FILT_Q/ pin
[00:29] <Laurenceb_> yes
[00:29] <Laurenceb_> analogue?
[00:29] <Randomskk> believe so
[00:30] <Laurenceb_> so... adc on stm32 XD
[00:32] <Laurenceb_> which has dual adcs that can be synchronised :P
[00:32] <Randomskk> indeed
[00:32] <Randomskk> think I might put this 7021 on the next wombat board
[00:32] <Randomskk> instead of the -12
[00:32] <Randomskk> regretting the -12 at all
[00:32] <Randomskk> it's still not locking
[00:32] <Randomskk> really irritated
[00:37] <Laurenceb_> http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/3/2/4/0/5/7/a4698202-217-DSCN7442.JPG
[00:37] <Laurenceb_> at least you can solder better than that
[00:37] <Laurenceb_> so its not all bad
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[00:41] <Randomskk> oh god what
[00:42] <SpeedEvil> ...
[00:43] <SpeedEvil> I think I'd need to clean flux off first.
[00:44] <SpeedEvil> It looks sorta like a bad paste attempt
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[00:56] <univbirm> hello, we are launching tomorrow at 11:00 near birmingham if anyone fancies listening out for us!
[00:56] <fsphil-laptop> what frequency univbirm? there are a few launches tomorrow
[00:56] <univbirm> 434.650
[00:57] <univbirm> should be ok?
[00:57] <Laurenceb_> what you flying?
[00:57] <fsphil-laptop> APEX-III is transmitting on that frequency
[00:57] <univbirm> apex III is cambridge though right?
[00:57] <Laurenceb_> brummies in space?! its more likely than you think
[00:57] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[00:58] <univbirm> shouldn;'t be a problem
[00:58] <fsphil-laptop> the signals can still clash
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[00:58] <Laurenceb_> hehe this should be fun
[00:58] <univbirm> haha keep the yagis pointing away from brum then ey!
[00:59] <daveake> univbrum Whereabouts you launching from?
[00:59] <daveake> univbirm even
[00:59] <univbirm> we're flying a small payload, cam + arduino gps system
[00:59] <univbirm> we're launching from tunbury wells
[00:59] <univbirm> univbrum haha
[00:59] <daveake> Tenbury. ok
[01:00] <Laurenceb_> Randomskk: an adf7021 base dsdr with stm32 actually looks really good
[01:00] <Laurenceb_> i have a rell of 100 really nice RFMD lnas
[01:00] <Laurenceb_> 0.2dB NF or something insane
[01:00] <Laurenceb_> put on on the front
[01:01] <fsphil-laptop> univbirm, I take it by tomorrow you mean later today? :)
[01:01] <univbirm> indeed
[01:01] <Laurenceb_> hehe
[01:01] <univbirm> which is why i'd better go sleep!
[01:01] <Laurenceb_> talking of which i need to sleep
[01:01] <Laurenceb_> cya
[01:01] <fsphil-laptop> g'night!
[01:01] <univbirm> if anyone fancies listening out please do, or can watch our track at http://www.midlandrocketry.org.uk/somnium
[01:02] <fsphil-laptop> should probably do the same
[01:02] <fsphil-laptop> what format univbirm?
[01:02] <univbirm> 4800 baud, not sure of more than that sorry, one of the others is the radio master
[01:02] <fsphil-laptop> ah, brave!
[01:03] <univbirm> brave?
[01:03] <fsphil-laptop> we don't usually go much above 300 baud
[01:03] <daveake> he means "optimistic"
[01:03] <univbirm> haha we'll see what happens
[01:03] <univbirm> g'night!
[01:03] <fsphil-laptop> nite!
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[01:03] <Randomskk> anyone know if jcoxon got a mac build of dl-fldigi online?
[01:03] <fsphil-laptop> well the higher baud rate should minimise any impact
[01:05] <Randomskk> s/impact/received data/
[01:05] <fsphil-laptop> that too
[01:05] <fsphil-laptop> hope they have a backup
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[01:07] <daveake> So many flights so few antennae
[01:08] <AndChat|> gonna be sick of the sound of rtty after tomorrow lol
[01:08] <fsphil-laptop> hah
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[01:09] <Lunar_Lander> daveake: I am just thinking about how to fix my antenna
[01:09] <Lunar_Lander> use one of those SMA things with the five legs?
[01:10] <daveake> I don't ask me, I just solder them on :)
[01:10] <MrCraig-nb> evening all. I'm hoping for a quick fix to a problem. I'm trying to build dl-fldigi from source following instruction from the wiki. during ./configure I get an error that libjsoncpp is not installed. I already ran apt-get install libjson0 libjson0-dev
[01:11] <fsphil-laptop> MrCraig-nb, libjsoncpp isn't packaged for most (any?) distros yet
[01:11] <fsphil-laptop> you'll have to manually build and install it
[01:11] <Randomskk> libjson0 might actually be a different library.. :/
[01:11] <fsphil-laptop> although DanielRichman may have packages
[01:12] <NigeyMoby> I had to build it from src a while back on ubuntu iirc
[01:12] <MrCraig-nb> fsphil-laptop - thanks, I guess that's enough of a reason to put off this build until the morning and get some sleep
[01:12] <NigeyMoby> brave decision!
[01:13] <MrCraig-nb> lol NigeyMoby - actually, the brave decision was staying up this late already, I also have 130 or so miles to drive in the morning. :-/
[01:13] <Lunar_Lander> daveake: you solder the antenna directly to the NTX2?
[01:14] <MrCraig-nb> night all - thanks for the pointers.
[01:14] <daveake> yup
[01:14] <Lunar_Lander> gn8 MrCraig
[01:14] <NigeyMoby> blimey, ure a glutton for punishment lol
[01:14] <NigeyMoby> Nn dude
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[01:14] <Lunar_Lander> the second pin that is
[01:14] <Lunar_Lander> where the antenna is fixed to
[01:14] <Lunar_Lander> right?
[01:15] <daveake> Well yes, the antenna gets soldered to the antenna pin.
[01:15] <daveake> Funnily enough the ground plane gets soldered to the ground pins
[01:16] <daveake> But normally you've use a piece of coax.
[01:16] <daveake> you'd
[01:17] <Lunar_Lander> coax cable?
[01:17] <Lunar_Lander> so the core is connected to the center and the cylinder to the two other ones
[01:18] <daveake> That's the general idea with coax
[01:18] <fsphil-laptop> too tried to code
[01:18] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[01:18] <fsphil-laptop> tracking an annoying bug. it can wait till tomorrow
[01:19] <NigeyMoby> tired*
[01:19] <Lunar_Lander> daveake: but I now have an idea how to set up this board
[01:19] <NigeyMoby> :p
[01:19] <fsphil-laptop> thanks NigeyMoby :)
[01:19] <NigeyMoby> lol no
[01:19] <NigeyMoby> np
[01:19] <fsphil-laptop> to tried to speel
[01:19] <Lunar_Lander> along the side go a + and - column from that regulator
[01:19] <NigeyMoby> ffs
[01:19] <Lunar_Lander> and from there some wires to take the voltage to the respective components
[01:19] <Lunar_Lander> just as I would use jumpers on a breadboard
[01:22] <Lunar_Lander> ideas?
[01:23] <fsphil-laptop> sleep
[01:24] <fsphil-laptop> sleep is a good idea
[01:24] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[01:25] <Lunar_Lander> and a beer?
[01:25] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[01:25] Action: fsphil-laptop doesn't drink beer :)
[01:25] <Lunar_Lander> ;)
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[01:31] <Lunar_Lander> and wife
[01:31] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[01:32] <fsphil-laptop> I don't drink that either
[01:32] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[01:33] <fsphil-laptop> I'm not a vampire, despite my lack of exposure to the sun :)
[01:33] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[01:50] <daveake> Beers don't complain about your HAB spend
[01:50] <daveake> And beers don't care what time you go to bed
[01:51] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[01:52] <daveake> navrac Still up? How come you're apparently in Tunisia? :p
[01:54] <Lunar_Lander> but with a wife there are emotions and feelings
[01:55] <Lunar_Lander> and the shared joy of a successful HAB
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[01:59] <daveake> nn. Past my bedtime.
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[02:30] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Apex III Launch 2 Notification"
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[03:44] <Randomskk> omg yay
[03:44] <Randomskk> radio working
[03:44] <Randomskk> now I have four hours to write flight computer software
[03:44] <Randomskk> and no sleep at all
[03:45] <Randomskk> put it out the window
[03:45] <Randomskk> the freq drifts like mad
[03:46] <Randomskk> oh well
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[07:00] <Darkside> damn
[07:00] <Darkside> tonight should be interesting
[07:01] <Randomskk> hi Darkside
[07:01] <Randomskk> it's 7am
[07:01] <Randomskk> I haven't slept
[07:01] <Randomskk> but I got the ADF to lock at 434.000000MHz
[07:01] <Randomskk> and then wrote flight computer code for it
[07:01] <Randomskk> and now it's on spacenear.us
[07:01] <Randomskk> it's totally anal about temperature, though
[07:02] <Randomskk> I doubt it'l work in flight
[07:02] <Randomskk> not that it drifts: rather, it cuts off completely after a small ish temperature change
[07:03] <Darkside> oh dear
[07:03] <Darkside> backup payload?
[07:04] <Randomskk> oh yea there's squirrel which is part of the point
[07:04] <Randomskk> and apex 3 is launching anyway
[07:04] <Randomskk> and we have a gsm tracker
[07:04] <Darkside> ok
[07:04] <Darkside> i'm finishing up my cutdown board design
[07:04] <Darkside> since we need that asap
[07:04] <Darkside> i'll be intrested in how navrac's uplink experiment goes
[07:04] <Darkside> but i'm thinking they're going to have problems with drift
[07:05] <Randomskk> I think my next version of this will have an ADF7021
[07:05] <Randomskk> it looks way way way better
[07:06] <Darkside> mm
[07:06] <Darkside> hrmm, OOK would be better for the RFM22B uplink wouldnt it?
[07:07] <Darkside> as then you can have a bit of frequency drift, and as long as its within the filter bandwidth it should still work
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[07:27] <Adam_> Hi all, just dropped in to follow the launches today. ApexIII, Cloud, Wombat and Ozzie1 all on the same day? Is it always this busy?
[07:28] <Darkside> not always
[07:28] <natrium42> :)
[07:30] <Adam_> I'm watching the spacenear.us is this where the tracking data is overlayed or is there somewhere else to see a virtual overlay of the flights on a map?
[07:30] <Darkside> Adam_: spacenear.us/tracker/ is the place to watch
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[07:50] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Greig "Re: [UKHAS] CUSF: Wombat Test Flight"
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[07:56] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Greig "Re: [UKHAS] CUSF: Wombat Test Flight"
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[07:59] <Upu> morning
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[07:59] <Randomskk> good morning
[08:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> morning
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[08:02] <Upu> can I remove Wombat from Spacenear.us ?
[08:02] <Randomskk> uh
[08:02] <Adam_> @upu @randomskk @OZ1SKY_Brian Good morning
[08:02] <Upu> as it seems to be in the Saharah
[08:02] <Randomskk> yea I guess, but it's flying today
[08:02] <Randomskk> it's only briefly
[08:02] <Randomskk> gps gave an invalid position >_>
[08:02] <Randomskk> ubloxes in ubx mode spit out all sorts of shit
[08:03] <Upu> morning Adam_
[08:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> morning Adam_
[08:03] <Upu> be interested for the "interesting feature"
[08:03] <Upu> is it going to play a tune ?
[08:04] <Randomskk> oh nothing that cool. I'll let ed say though
[08:05] <Upu> ok
[08:05] <Randomskk> anyway wombat shouldn't be sahara bound any more
[08:06] <Randomskk> yay
[08:08] <griffonbot> @apexhab: Hacking stuff together in the minibus to launch site. #apexhab #ukhas http://t.co/SG3l47Qi [http://twitter.com/apexhab/status/178754164241862657]
[08:08] <Upu> wires - check
[08:08] <Upu> duct tape - check
[08:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu looks like there is a good tropo path on the way, between UK-DK. Maybe a chance to say hello on the radio
[08:09] <natrium42> Randomskk: bah, i was looking forward to the first african flight :(
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[08:09] <Upu> what band OZ1SKY_Brian ?
[08:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> no particular band, vhf and up
[08:10] <Upu> So Adam_ (not Randomskk!) do you have a radio ?
[08:10] <Upu> well I couldn't even get to Leeds on 2meters last night
[08:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu http://www.dxinfocentre.com/tropo_nwe.html
[08:11] <natrium42> i like the prominence of ductape
[08:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> time to get some food, back later.
[08:12] <Upu> ok
[08:14] <jonsowman> morning guys
[08:14] <Upu> Hi Jon
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[08:14] <jonsowman> far too many things in the air today :D
[08:15] <Upu> we'll need all those trackers today
[08:15] <Adam_> @Upu I don't have a radio yet. We're hoping to get one by donation/sponsorship but it'll take a little while.
[08:15] <Upu> ok Adam try get a Globaltuners account
[08:16] <Upu> sometimes you can use that to remote control someone elses rig
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[08:24] <jonsowman> http://www.cusf.co.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=nova_20
[08:24] <jonsowman> updated
[08:25] <Darkside> jonsowman: RTTY on FM?
[08:25] <jonsowman> Darkside: yep
[08:25] <jonsowman> it's a phone
[08:25] <Darkside> lol
[08:25] <jonsowman> so it plays the tones through its headphone port which is connected to the NTX TXD input
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[08:29] <griffonbot> @cuspaceflight: Wombat will be flying today on Nova 20, nominally 434.000MHz 50 baud RTTY. Details here http://t.co/qLzxtqSq #ukhas #cusf [http://twitter.com/cuspaceflight/status/178759609186656256]
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[08:35] <Upu> live predictions are all updated
[08:37] <daveake> Looks like a nice day to be erecting aerials :)
[08:37] <daveake> Better than last time, when it snowed
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[08:38] <Upu> its lovely out there
[08:38] <NigelMoby> grr
[08:38] <jonsowman> yeah weather looking good for filling
[08:38] <NigelMoby> don't want to go painting!!!
[08:38] <jonsowman> quite calm and actually sunny
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[08:39] <NigelMoby> there's a launch from brum uni today to ....
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[08:41] <daveake> Launches are like buses
[08:42] <daveake> Especially ones on the same frequency .....
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[08:42] <NigelMoby> yup
[08:44] <griffonbot> Received email: Edward Cunningham "Re: [UKHAS] CUSF: Wombat Test Flight"
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[08:58] <MrCraig-nb> morning
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[09:00] <Adam_> Morning MrCraig-nb
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[09:06] <navrac> morning everyone
[09:07] <navrac> despite spacenearus, ozzie is till in suffolk
[09:09] <griffonbot> @onlineradio_fr: RT @apexhab: Hacking stuff together in the minibus to launch site. #apexhab #ukhas http://t.co/SG3l47Qi [http://twitter.com/onlineradio_fr/status/178769557123641345]
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[09:26] <jcoxon> morning
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[09:26] <daveake> morning
[09:26] <Darkside> morning
[09:26] <Darkside> evening
[09:26] <Darkside> whatever
[09:26] <Darkside> its 8pm here
[09:27] <daveake> There's only one true timezone :p
[09:27] <daveake> busy day tracking
[09:27] <Colin-G8TMV> Morning
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[09:34] <jcoxon> i got summoned earlier?
[09:35] <daveake> By jonsowman
[09:35] <Darkside> haha
[09:35] <Darkside> hrmm i should get added to the summon list :P
[09:35] <Darkside> ooh
[09:35] <Darkside> i wonder if it actually emailed
[09:35] <daveake> you'll go blind
[09:35] <jcoxon> it emails me
[09:35] <jcoxon> by default
[09:36] <Darkside> haha
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[09:37] <jcoxon> ping jonsowman
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[09:40] <NigeyS> this time of the morning should not exist on a sunday!
[09:40] <navrac> right - mast is up with uplink and downlink aerials sort of fitted.
[09:41] <navrac> entle breeze away from the powerlines and towards the big tree
[09:41] <NigeyS> nice 1 navrac
[09:41] <NigeyS> 11:30 ure off the post ?
[09:41] <navrac> yep 11:30 is the target time
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[09:42] <NigeyS> nicey, i wont be around, but good luck with the launch :D
[09:42] <Rob_M0DTS> what a great day for HABing!
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[09:42] <NigeyS> hey rob
[09:42] <NigeyS> a lovely day indeed
[09:42] <NigeyS> bit foggy down here though
[09:43] <NigeyS> jonsowman, did you say squirrel was FM ?
[09:43] <GW8RAK> Morning. Nice here earlier but foggy now
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[09:43] <Rob_M0DTS> clear blue up north here! should get some great land imaging if cameras are onboard these flights.
[09:43] <NigeyS> morning Graham
[09:44] <GW8RAK> Hi Nigel
[09:44] <NigeyS> i sent you some fog
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[09:44] <NigeyS> hope you dont mind :p
[09:44] <GW8RAK> Just come in from a big bonfire in the garden.
[09:44] <NigeyS> :o
[09:44] <GW8RAK> Time for breakfast
[09:44] <NigeyS> sausage, bacon, egg, fried bread.......... :D
[09:44] <navrac> what an excellent idea
[09:44] <GW8RAK> More like smoked cornflakes with the smell of woodsmoke on me :)
[09:45] <NigeyS> haha oh dear
[09:45] <NigeyS> bbq tasting cornflakes!
[09:45] <GW8RAK> Had to finish off yesterday's burning.
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[09:47] <GW8RAK> 1100 for the launches?
[09:47] <NigeyS> looks like
[09:47] <NigeyS> Apex III and Nova20 / Squirrell @ 11 according to spacenear
[09:47] <GW8RAK> And 1200 for lunches
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[09:47] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Apex III Launch 2 Notification"
[09:48] <NigeyS> Ozzie @ 12
[09:48] <griffonbot> Received email: Boggle "[UKHAS] Re: CUSF: Wombat Test Flight"
[09:49] Action: Colin-G8TMV is now set up for tracking
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[09:50] <GW8RAK> Can try the 817 today :)
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[09:50] <GW8RAK> and compare it to the older rigs
[09:51] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Apex III Launch 2 Notification"
[09:51] <NigeyS> wonder how well a pain roller picks up 70cm...lol
[09:51] <NigeyS> paint*
[09:51] <navrac> ugh uplink circuit wont talk to my pc this morning
[09:52] <NigeyS> :o
[09:52] <navrac> ive got an hour to sort it - but i have to bring down the mast again to get to it
[09:53] <NigeyS> it'll be those launch day gremlins
[09:57] <Rob_M0DTS> uplink?
[09:57] <Rob_M0DTS> i must have missed something!
[09:57] <eroomde> yoyo
[09:57] <eroomde> just awoken
[09:57] <NigeyS> heh there's allsorts of funky tech going up today Rob
[09:57] <eroomde> what time is stuff going up?
[09:57] <NigeyS> morning eroomde !
[09:57] <eroomde> morning NigeyS !
[09:57] <NigeyS> between 11 & 12 by the sounds of it ed
[09:57] <NigeyS> and a pico @ 11:30
[09:58] <eroomde> cool
[09:58] <navrac> ozzie is a pico flight to test an uplink using a pair of rfm22's on 459MHz at 100mW
[09:58] <NigeyS> and on the +side, that cme arrival hasnt caused much of a problem, so gps should behave
[09:58] <Darkside> i'm wondering about drift..
[09:59] <Colin-G8TMV> navrac: out of interest - why not use the 70cm amateur band for uplink? or are you not licenced?
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[09:59] <NigeyS> hey G0DJA :-)
[09:59] <navrac> well theoretically the amateur license doesnt cover talking to a balloon.
[09:59] <RocketBoy> Colin-G8TMV: do you think that leagal?
[09:59] <G0DJA> Morning NigyS
[09:59] <G0DJA> NigeyS - even
[09:59] <navrac> but the radio control frequency of 458-459 does
[09:59] <NigeyS> hehe hey dude
[10:00] <Colin-G8TMV> navrac: as long as you include your callsign in the transmission I don't see why not
[10:00] <Colin-G8TMV> actually that should have been to RocketBoy
[10:00] <Rob_M0DTS> navrak: thanks info on uplink, would have liked to try that, maybe next time if i pay more attention!
[10:01] <RocketBoy> Colin-G8TMV i thought you were allowed to communicate with somthing that was not part of the amateur service
[10:01] <Colin-G8TMV> it's no different to say, sending command codes to a repeater
[10:01] <jcoxon> but the repeater has a licence
[10:01] <Colin-G8TMV> true, I guess it's a grey area
[10:02] <eroomde> mmm this again
[10:02] <jcoxon> indeed
[10:02] <NigeyS> heh sounds like a minefield :/
[10:02] <eroomde> i was with you colin but with a lawyer hat on, computer said no
[10:02] <Morseman> Emergency temporal shift to kitchen to switch off radio...
[10:02] <Colin-G8TMV> they send commands to ham satelites and they don't have *ham* licences
[10:02] <Darkside> i think the problem with navrac's uplink is going to be the drift of the receiver
[10:02] <navrac> it has afc which theoretically should pull it back on channel
[10:02] <Darkside> it didn't work for transmit
[10:02] <jcoxon> the current think is best stick to LE for now
[10:02] <Colin-G8TMV> sounds like it needs a crystal oven
[10:03] <Darkside> navrac: the crystal will drift
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[10:03] <Darkside> like, a few KHz
[10:03] <Darkside> i don't know if the AFC will be able to handle that
[10:03] <Colin-G8TMV> Anyone got a guess as to what will be launched first?
[10:03] <jcoxon> Darkside, lets see!
[10:03] <NigeyS> jcoxon, LE ?
[10:03] <Darkside> jcoxon: yeah
[10:03] <jcoxon> licence exempt
[10:03] <NigeyS> ahh
[10:04] <eroomde> i think amateur sattelites have a NOV Colin-G8TMV
[10:04] <Darkside> anyone got an amp they can put the RFM22B output through?
[10:04] <RocketBoy> Colin-G8TMV: tis a good question to ask amsat
[10:04] Action: Colin-G8TMV looks in box - sorry I'm out of Round Tuits
[10:04] <eroomde> they have a R&TTE exemption for their construction and testing
[10:05] <eroomde> Colin-G8TMV: graham shirville g3vzv is senior at amsat and is often on here
[10:05] <eroomde> amsat uk*
[10:05] <Darkside> ok FINALLY got the Horus 20 and 21 pages up
[10:05] <Darkside> http://projecthorus.org/?page_id=2171
[10:06] <Morseman> With this many launches could have a sweepstake on which is launched 1st
[10:06] <NigeyS> a red balloon... this is heracy Darkside ! :p
[10:06] <Darkside> NigeyS: they were awesome!
[10:06] <Darkside> bursted 10km higher than we expected lol
[10:06] <NigeyS> blimey
[10:07] <Darkside> yeah
[10:07] <NigeyS> 20k bloody ell...
[10:07] <Darkside> yeah, for a 200g i was surprised
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[10:08] <NigeyS> thats shocking, i want 1 ! lol
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[10:11] <Morseman> It's a lovely morning here
[10:11] <eroomde> and here
[10:11] <eroomde> spectac
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[10:11] <Morseman> You can almost see the weeds and grass growing...
[10:11] <eroomde> i am not sure why i am inside really
[10:11] <Darkside> its a lovely night here
[10:12] <Darkside> :P
[10:13] <fsphil-laptop> cloudy here atm, but yesterday was nice. first warm day
[10:13] <fsphil-laptop> even had a bee flying around
[10:13] <cuddykid> morning morning
[10:14] <cuddykid> lovely day for a launch!
[10:14] <Hiena> ???
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[10:15] <Hiena> 10+ m/s NNW wind, +9 C degree, closed clouds, cloudbase at 800m.
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[10:18] <cuddykid> Hiena: lovely and sunny here!
[10:18] <cuddykid> yes, not the warmest of places in the world - but by UK standards it's pretty good
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[10:21] <jonsowman> jcoxon: around?
[10:21] <G0DJA> This is a 'Megan free' weekend so I don't have to leave at 10:30 to take her home to Mum
[10:21] <jonsowman> jcoxon: can i have your od x fldigi build please?
[10:21] <jonsowman> *os
[10:23] <Colin-G8TMV> Hmm... is the Ozzie payload really on FM? Because it's going to cause a major problem for 817 users if it is
[10:24] <jcoxon> hey jonsowman, latest?
[10:24] <OZ1SKY_Brian> is there 2-3 launches today ?
[10:24] <jcoxon> Colin-G8TMV, its SSB
[10:24] <jcoxon> but a pico -low alt flight
[10:25] <fsphil-laptop> OZ1SKY_Brian, four :)
[10:25] <Colin-G8TMV> Ah, good - because to get audio out of the DATA connector on an 817 you have to select Digi as the mode and that gives ssb
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[10:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fsphil-laptop nice :-)
[10:25] <Laurenceb_> wombat is working?
[10:25] <jcoxon> Colin-G8TMV, no you don't
[10:25] <jcoxon> for tx'ing yes
[10:25] <jcoxon> not for rx'ing if i remember correctly
[10:26] <Colin-G8TMV> nope - for RX too
[10:26] <Laurenceb_> lots of people on today
[10:26] <jcoxon> i've rx'd aprs before
[10:26] <Colin-G8TMV> Hmm.. I thought I'd tried and got no audio
[10:26] <fsphil-laptop> audio out always works on the 817
[10:26] <fsphil-laptop> audio in only works for FM in PKTFM mode
[10:27] <fsphil-laptop> that caught me out a few times
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[10:27] <Rob_M0DTS> VHF dx guys reporting lots of solar bursts on their receivers, might be tricky tracking if it carrieds on..hi
[10:28] <Colin-G8TMV> anyway, I have the mast up at 40' with a colinear on it and the 817 and dl-fldigi running
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[10:28] <jcoxon> jonsowman, https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/downloads - try the alpha version
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[10:29] <fsphil-laptop> Rob_M0DTS, what does that sound like? brief bursts of static for a few seconds or is it longer?
[10:29] <Rob_M0DTS> just noise i believe,not heard owt here
[10:30] <Colin-G8TMV> Hmm.. I see Ozzie1 is predicted a wet landing
[10:30] <fsphil-laptop> I was hearing a static bursts for a few seconds yesterday
[10:30] <fsphil-laptop> was wondering what it was
[10:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon do you recomend us to update to alpha?
[10:30] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, not yet
[10:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon ok
[10:31] <Rob_M0DTS> fsphil could be anything i guess.. this site shows cme hitting us just now.. http://www.solarham.com/cmewatch2.htm
[10:31] <Colin-G8TMV> Are the frequencies quoted in the data panel on the tracker the actual frequencies or the dial ones?
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[10:33] <fsphil-laptop> are the squirrel images being uploaded anywhere?
[10:33] <jonsowman> thanks jcoxon
[10:33] <jonsowman> jcoxon: also we need that regulator back
[10:34] <jcoxon> yeah
[10:34] <jcoxon> i thought that
[10:35] <jcoxon> i could pop it back on saturday
[10:35] <fsphil-laptop> Colin-G8TMV, rough estimates. they will drift a few khz
[10:35] <jcoxon> i'm coming up to suffolk - i could divert on saturday morning
[10:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> are any of the launches today going to float ?
[10:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> going FOR float
[10:37] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, perhaps ozzie1
[10:37] <jcoxon> but that'll be low altitude
[10:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon ok not much change of copy here then
[10:38] <Upu> anything up yet ?
[10:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> looks like the low alt winds are going south over the uk.
[10:38] <jonsowman> jcoxon: Randomskk will be here, you can drop it off to him at selwyn?
[10:38] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, sadly yes
[10:38] <jonsowman> Upu: we're testing the helium mass flow meter
[10:38] <jonsowman> and finishing rigging
[10:38] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, use a globaltuner radio
[10:38] <jcoxon> jonsowman, yeah - it might be early
[10:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon that takes most of the fun out of it :-)
[10:38] <jcoxon> if its too early i stick it in the plodge
[10:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon im a RF guy, lol
[10:39] <jonsowman> jcoxon: great, thanks
[10:40] <fsphil-laptop> apex on da map
[10:40] <jcoxon> jonsowman, perhaps adam wants to come launching next saturday - from the barn
[10:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon and i have to keep a watch on Upu, i know he´s going for a kill on my record, LOL
[10:41] <Upu> OZ1SKY_Brian : http://i.imgur.com/fyfNl.jpg
[10:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu oh dear, looks like im in trubble :-)
[10:41] <fsphil-laptop> Upu just declared war
[10:42] <fsphil-laptop> and is building weapons of mass reception
[10:42] <Upu> so bad thats very funny
[10:42] <fsphil-laptop> I know!
[10:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> cold war over, rf was started
[10:43] <navrac> ping jcoxon
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[10:43] <jcoxon> hey navrac
[10:43] <fsphil-laptop> I think I may setup a more modest yagi
[10:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu thats a 18elem beam right?=
[10:44] <Upu> 19
[10:44] <Rob_M0DTS> you want 25el ;-)
[10:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> rgr
[10:44] <navrac> on my uplink board as soon as i get to rf22 init the program seems to stop. Worked fine last night. If I remove the line I get the connected message - any ideas?
[10:44] <Upu> my house isn't big enough for much more
[10:44] <Upu> thats pushing it as it is
[10:44] <Rob_M0DTS> i can imagine
[10:44] <daveake> Upu, much longer and it'll be able to touch the payloads
[10:44] <fsphil-laptop> you need a mast Upu
[10:44] <Colin-G8TMV> Upu - you need a SCAM 12 for it
[10:44] <Upu> pushing the wifes tolerance for antennas not the house
[10:45] <Upu> possibly Colin I do have some concerns it might have to come down in winter
[10:45] <fsphil-laptop> having two colinears on the roof does look very odd I have to admit
[10:46] <Upu> lol daveake
[10:46] <Colin-G8TMV> Upu, nice thing about the SCAM is you can keep it down when not in use - click a switch and it's up in 2mins
[10:46] <LazyLeopard> Riiight... 3 balloons on the map... Which to track... Choices, choices... ;)
[10:46] <jcoxon> navrac, whats teh shutdown line doing?
[10:46] <Upu> really not sure I have space :)
[10:47] <Upu> I'll buy a bigger house some point
[10:47] <navrac> only got a meter her - but its tied down on the pcb
[10:47] <Colin-G8TMV> I bought a house with a bigish garden specially to put antennas in
[10:47] <daveake> Upu I'm in trouble. Mrs Dave saw the photo and said, sarcatically, "*HE's got a garage floor"
[10:47] <daveake> +s
[10:47] <fsphil-laptop> that would be nice
[10:47] <fsphil-laptop> ooch daveake
[10:47] <Upu> well in fairness it has just taken me an hour to clear it
[10:47] <daveake> :)
[10:48] <fsphil-laptop> you can't win!
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[10:48] <daveake> nope
[10:48] <jcoxon> reset teh whole board?
[10:48] <fsphil-laptop> right, breakfast!
[10:49] <G0DJA> Upu an hour! That would hardly get the door open here
[10:49] <Upu> lol
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[10:49] <navrac> Ive power up reset it - but no difference
[10:50] <jcoxon> hmmm
[10:50] <jcoxon> my adapted code is no different up to that point
[10:51] <navrac> I've got a spare rfm22 so I'll quickly swop it over
[10:51] <jcoxon> okay
[10:52] <G0DJA> Someone asked to have a part that's in the cupboards but cant get at it due to 4x23ele tonnas and a 70cm wimo on the pool table and boxes of junk round it
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[10:53] <Upu> Tidy and HAM don't tend to go hand in hand
[10:53] <navrac> soldering iron is dead - i just dont believe this - may have to rely on you for uplink
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[10:54] <Colin-G8TMV> navrac: remember - experimenting and "quickly" do *not* belong together
[10:54] <navrac> jusy going to make a call to dial in a replacement
[10:55] <jcoxon> navrac, okeydokey
[10:55] <jcoxon> navrac, you can always delay launch
[10:55] <jcoxon> never launch if you aren't ready
[10:55] <Morseman> Upu Kate recons in my case untidy has become an art form
[10:55] <jcoxon> loads of apaches are up today
[10:55] <Colin-G8TMV> Morseman: then open the doors and charge for viewing
[10:56] <jcoxon> have had 5 fly over today
[10:56] <navrac> i went to the pub last night as i was so convinced i was - last job was to put the uplink antenna on the mast
[10:56] <Colin-G8TMV> jcoxon: yeah, just had one go right over the house
[10:56] <Morseman> Colin-G8TMV That's a good idea ;-)
[10:56] <jcoxon> Colin-G8TMV, i'm right by wattisham
[10:56] <jcoxon> here comes another
[10:57] <RocketBoy> ozzie1 should overfly my house!
[10:57] <Upu> ok I might got back outside for 30 mins
[10:57] <Morseman> Sometimes get a Chinook fly over here
[10:59] <jcoxon> nexus on map
[11:01] <Colin-G8TMV> which one is Nexus? it's not in the data panel
[11:01] <Upu> Nova20
[11:01] <Colin-G8TMV> Ta
[11:01] <daveake> ah
[11:01] <Colin-G8TMV> Any of them sending telemetry yet?
[11:02] <Upu> refresh and its fixed
[11:02] <Colin-G8TMV> receivable telemetry even
[11:03] <Upu> unless you're at the launch site no
[11:04] <fsphil-laptop> mmm toasted baps
[11:04] <Darkside> ugh, putting together a farnell order
[11:04] <fsphil-laptop> ah, nexus is on the map
[11:04] <Darkside> at $140 and rising
[11:05] <Upu> yeah that happens :)
[11:06] <Darkside> hrmm
[11:06] <Darkside> cant get 100nF 0603 NP0s...
[11:06] <Darkside> will have to be a 10nf then
[11:06] <Colin-G8TMV> Upu, I'm only in Sawston (7 miles south) with the ant at 40' so I should get something pretty much as soon as it flies
[11:07] <LazyLeopard> Good selection of concentric blue circles. With that SCAM at full height you should catch them pretty quick...
[11:07] <Colin-G8TMV> yup :)
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[11:09] <fsphil-laptop> we're now into ISH time
[11:09] <Darkside> :P
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[11:10] <G0DJA> *songs now playing on my internal walkman - "Up, up and away" by Fifth Dimension and "I Can't Let Maggie Go" by Honeybus
[11:11] <daveake> "Hard habit to break"
[11:12] <daveake> Someone should fly a "Maggie" payload :)
[11:12] <G0DJA> :-)
[11:12] <G0DJA> How about a "Nimble" payload?
[11:13] <Colin-G8TMV> Not crusty enough
[11:13] <G0DJA> It would just loaf about I guess?
[11:14] <G0DJA> Would be the best thing since sliced bread I bet
[11:14] <Colin-G8TMV> might get sandwiched
[11:14] <G0DJA> If it went too high you could say it was toast
[11:15] <daveake> and end up toast
[11:15] <daveake> dammit too slow
[11:15] <G0DJA> snap
[11:15] <fsphil-laptop> it's happening again!
[11:15] <daveake> you started it with your baps
[11:15] <fsphil-laptop> mmm
[11:15] <Colin-G8TMV> oh do go and take a roll
[11:16] <G0DJA> It's that time when the trackers have nothing to do but wait
[11:16] <fsphil-laptop> I'll toast to that
[11:16] <Colin-G8TMV> and make bad jokes
[11:16] <G0DJA> and that
[11:16] <Adam_> I'm marking mechanics papers. Getting kind of hungry with all the food talk!
[11:17] <fsphil-laptop> bad jokes are the bread and butter of high altitude flights
[11:17] <Bob_G8NSV> hoping if I'll hear anytrhing down here in deepest (well almost) Dorset
[11:17] <G0DJA> *groannnn
[11:17] <daveake> Lets hope the Brummies don't jam any signals
[11:17] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[11:17] <G0DJA> Oi - I resemble that remark
[11:17] <Adam_> I could just fancy a maple cure bacon bap with soft white bread and a little dusting of flour, tomato or brown sauce though?
[11:18] <fsphil-laptop> always brown sauce
[11:18] <Colin-G8TMV> being serious for a moment - do we know which payload will launch first?
[11:18] <Bob_G8NSV> my mrs has promised me scrambled eggs on toast :)
[11:19] <fsphil-laptop> Colin-G8TMV, nexus and apex are on the same balloon -- probably those two
[11:19] <Colin-G8TMV> right
[11:19] <daveake> It's ISH time - you've got time for a full fry-up
[11:19] <fsphil-laptop> scrambled eggs are great
[11:19] <fsphil-laptop> or should I say, cracking
[11:19] <G0DJA> Colin_G8TMV I don't think it's being co-ordinated I guess whichever is ready 1st
[11:19] <G0DJA> *stands by for egg jokes
[11:20] <DanielRichman> MrCraig: yo - the packages you seek are here https://launchpad.net/~danieljonathanrichman/+archive/ppa
[11:20] <Darkside> DanielRichman: can you check the horus flight profile is still valid
[11:20] <Darkside> we'll be doing a launch on wednesday
[11:21] <Adam_> IHS?
[11:21] <DanielRichman> MrCraig: there's a dl-fldigi deb; it's a couple of commits behind. But if you want to build from sauce, grab the jsoncpp-dev deb and it should Just Work :-)
[11:21] <DanielRichman> now that jcoxon has merged my branch I'll update the wiki
[11:22] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, i've started adding elevation
[11:22] <jcoxon> did you get anywhere with the maths?
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[11:22] <fsphil-laptop> Adam_, http://ukhas.org.uk/ish
[11:23] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: yes, the maths is done
[11:23] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: i was going to code it up today in python and test it
[11:23] <G0DJA> I'm off to make a cuppa - that should mean they both launch in next couple of mins
[11:23] <Adam_> Ah, the Murphy variable.
[11:24] <DanielRichman> Darkside: there are uh, 2 active horus docs ;-)
[11:24] <LazyLeopard> Already tried that with a shower and coffee...
[11:24] <Upu> fsphil http://i.imgur.com/pYhYA.jpg
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[11:25] <DanielRichman> Upu: :O
[11:25] <fsphil-laptop> wow
[11:25] <DanielRichman> are you sure that yagi is big enough?
[11:25] <fsphil-laptop> that is rather impressive
[11:25] <DanielRichman> you're going to need to calibrate your rotator extra accurately or you'll shoot yourself in the foot with the crazy small angle gain ;P
[11:26] <Adam_> Why do you need such a big yagi? Are you planning a flight to Russia?
[11:26] <cuddykid> oh wow - the air waves are busy today :P
[11:26] <fsphil-laptop> Adam_, actually yea :)
[11:26] <jcoxon> Adam_, he wants the distance record
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[11:26] <earthshine> Morning guys - has Apex launched yet ?
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[11:26] <cuddykid> jeeez Upu!
[11:26] <Upu> lol
[11:26] <cuddykid> that's incredible
[11:26] <cuddykid> me want :P
[11:26] <Upu> I don't think the distance record will fall
[11:27] <Morseman> It's not that bad - even my 37 ele on 23cm has a useable horizontal beam width
[11:27] <cuddykid> I think I'll crack out the yagi - it's a lovely day and looks like the more trackers the better today
[11:27] <fsphil-laptop> earthshine, nope
[11:27] <Upu> However I do hope to get a better signal, decode more
[11:27] <daveake> You'll be decoding before they've left the ground :p
[11:27] <fsphil-laptop> that sort of gain would make 1200 baud usable
[11:27] <Upu> I don't think the angle is that bad DanielRichman
[11:27] <cuddykid> hold one& aren't the cambridge launches predicted london landing?
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[11:28] <Upu> within the accuracy of the rotator easily
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[11:28] <cuddykid> Upu: have you a picture of it on your mast?
[11:28] <Upu> not got a mast yet
[11:28] <LazyLeopard> OZZIE is looking like a wet landing...
[11:29] <NickB1> damn.. now i know why the geiger wasnt working :/
[11:29] <daveake> Upu, This should suit http://s0.geograph.org.uk/photos/31/01/310144_1b5e2fd6.jpg
[11:29] <NickB1> connected it to the wrong RX :)
[11:29] <jcoxon> LazyLeopard, its a pico flight
[11:29] <cuddykid> rookie error NickB1 :P
[11:29] <fsphil-laptop> ah man NickB1
[11:29] <DanielRichman> Darkside: k i have checked the horus docs and it looks all okay now
[11:29] <Upu> was considering asking these guys if we could put a colinear up : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emley_Moor_transmitting_station
[11:29] <earthshine> We have 4 launches today ?
[11:29] <DanielRichman> if it doesn't work, shout
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[11:30] <NickB1> being very nervous didnt help much I think :)
[11:30] <NickB1> next time
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[11:31] <Upu> cuddykid http://i.imgur.com/91Jgk.jpg rotator cable, westflex coax, thrust bearing , some beefy brackets
[11:31] <fsphil-laptop> earthshine, 2 payloads in one balloon, 1 pico launch and another university launch
[11:31] <Morseman> The 1st looks like Holme Moss to me
[11:31] <earthshine> fsphil-laptop: thanks
[11:31] <fsphil-laptop> yaesu sticker on the bench. you're a proper ham now Upu
[11:31] <earthshine> Upu: I like that you keep your wine next to where you are working
[11:31] <cuddykid> nice Upu
[11:32] <Morseman> The Co that own Emiley charge arm and a leg for space on tower now
[11:32] <Upu> well do note earthshine its all Rose
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[11:32] <Upu> which we don't like :)
[11:32] <Morseman> All the Amateur beacons/repeaters/links gone from it now
[11:32] <cuddykid> bb in 30
[11:33] <Upu> yeah I think the guy who runs GB3WY works there ? Might be wrong
[11:33] <Upu> can you access that repeater ?
[11:33] <Morseman> I can access GB3WU from here
[11:34] <Upu> I'll have a play round with that later
[11:34] <Upu> WU is 70cms ?
[11:34] <MrCraig-NB> I've given up trying to build - does anyone have all the required packages for dl-fldigi i386 ubuntu?
[11:35] <Morseman> When it was near Wakefield not Worcester!
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[11:36] <fsphil-laptop> MrCraig-NB: <DanielRichman> MrCraig: yo - the packages you seek are here https://launchpad.net/~danieljonathanrichman/+archive/ppa
[11:36] <DanielRichman> MrCraig-NB: there's a dl-fldigi deb; it's a couple of commits behind. But if you want to build from sauce, grab the jsoncpp-dev deb and it should Just Work :-)
[11:36] <MrCraig-NB> oh, thanks fsphil :-)
[11:36] <MrCraig-NB> Thanks Daniel
[11:37] <Morseman> I can usually get into GB3WC on 23cm
[11:38] <fsphil-laptop> G7SVI if you're on here, your location on the map is in the english channel :)
[11:39] Nick change: LazyLeopard -> LazyL-M0LEP
[11:40] <fsphil-laptop> daveake, that other launch should be in the air now if they launched on time
[11:40] <fsphil-laptop> I can't remember who was doing it now
[11:40] <daveake> BrumUniv
[11:40] <daveake> :)
[11:40] <fsphil-laptop> that's it
[11:40] <fsphil-laptop> no hope of anyone decoding that
[11:40] <Upu> that the one doing 4800 baud ?
[11:40] <fsphil-laptop> not even Upu :)
[11:40] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[11:40] <Upu> hah
[11:40] <jcoxon> brumuniv?
[11:41] <fsphil-laptop> yea, came on last night and announced a launch
[11:41] <daveake> birmuniv
[11:41] <Laurenceb_> university of car sound effect studies
[11:41] <Laurenceb_> brumuni
[11:42] <Upu> I see what you did there
[11:42] <daveake> :)
[11:42] <fsphil-laptop> they're on 434.650, same as apex
[11:42] <fsphil-laptop> but they're doing it at 4800 baud
[11:42] <fsphil-laptop> in an unspecified mode
[11:42] <GW8RAK> Launching from around Brum?
[11:43] <Darkside> BRUM?
[11:43] <daveake> Tenbury Wells
[11:43] <Colin-G8TMV> Birmingham
[11:43] <daveake> WSW of Brum
[11:43] <jcoxon> interesting approach!
[11:43] <GW8RAK> For that rate, probably too far for me
[11:43] <jcoxon> i suspect they are txing nmea
[11:43] <Rob_M0DTS> Morseman:i used to work thru gb3wc but since it moved,not good here now.
[11:43] <GW8RAK> Will have a listen though
[11:43] <daveake> jcoxon yes that was my guess
[11:44] <fsphil-laptop> wonder what they're receiving with though
[11:44] <Morseman> Morning Rob_M0DTS
[11:44] Nick change: Morseman -> Morseman_G0DJA
[11:44] <Rob_M0DTS> ah Hi dave
[11:44] Nick change: fsphil-laptop -> fsphil_2I0VIM
[11:44] <MrCraig-NB> interesting - cos I'm sat in coventry - should pick it up but don't hear it yet, so guess it's not off the terra
[11:44] Action: fsphil_2I0VIM puts on his ham hat
[11:44] <Upu> I hate Apple sometimes
[11:44] <Upu> cuddykid
[11:44] <Morseman_G0DJA> Darkside Brum = Birmingham in the West Midlands
[11:44] <Upu> how do I just "put some music" on my iPhone ?
[11:45] <fsphil_2I0VIM> itunes :|
[11:45] <Upu> Yeah I have that
[11:45] <Upu> and it wants to erase the phone
[11:45] <fsphil_2I0VIM> yea
[11:45] <fsphil_2I0VIM> it's evil
[11:45] <Colin-G8TMV> Hmm.. Nexus is moving - are they walking it out?
[11:45] <Upu> oh can I just drag it
[11:45] <Bob_G8NSV> Android!!!
[11:45] <Upu> 1sec
[11:45] <Rob_M0DTS> very evil and huge download these days
[11:45] <Adam_> Go android.
[11:45] <MrCraig-NB> Vote for android too
[11:45] <daveake> +1
[11:45] <Rob_M0DTS> i'm on android too
[11:45] <Upu> seriously you can't just drag and drop music ?
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[11:46] <fsphil_2I0VIM> nope
[11:46] <Laurenceb_> lulwut
[11:46] <Bob_G8NSV> Thats apple for you!
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[11:46] <gonzo_> is the Tenbury launch today?
[11:46] <Laurenceb_> youd think itd just be mass storage
[11:46] <Bob_G8NSV> Android just treats it like any other file
[11:46] <daveake> gonzo_ allegedly
[11:46] <fsphil_2I0VIM> gonzo_, yes
[11:46] <fsphil_2I0VIM> although it won't be on spacenear.us
[11:46] <Upu> something on 434.651.64
[11:46] <gonzo_> intetesring. What name?
[11:47] <fsphil_2I0VIM> daveake, didn't they post a link to track it?
[11:47] <Laurenceb_> if anyone grabs some data, maybe we could add it
[11:47] <fsphil_2I0VIM> my log doesn't go back that far
[11:47] <daveake> yes, but I didn't keep it
[11:47] <fsphil_2I0VIM> hmm
[11:47] <Laurenceb_> oh - it wont be ukhas format :(
[11:47] <fsphil_2I0VIM> lemme check the desktop
[11:47] <jcoxon> http://habhub.org//zeusbot/
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[11:48] <daveake> http://habhub.org/zeusbot/logs_highlighted/highaltitude.log.20120311.html
[11:48] <fsphil_2I0VIM> http://www.midlandrocketry.org.uk/somnium
[11:49] <daveake> http://www.midlandrocketry.org.uk/somnium
[11:49] <fsphil_2I0VIM> hmm
[11:49] <daveake> too slow :(
[11:49] <fsphil_2I0VIM> a red line
[11:49] <daveake> From Brum to launch site
[11:50] <fsphil_2I0VIM> really hope they have a backup
[11:50] <fsphil_2I0VIM> or an upu-grade yagi
[11:50] <daveake> :)
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[11:50] <daveake> The WRC run 19.2k but that's a lot more than 10mW
[11:51] <Colin-G8TMV> did they actually talk to the usual HAB crowd at all?
[11:51] <daveake> Just last night I think
[11:51] <Colin-G8TMV> that wasn't talking - that was just saying "we are doing it"
[11:51] <daveake> Indeed
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[11:52] <daveake> "We're launching tomorrow (today) at the same frequency as Apex but don't worry we're miles away. Oh and we're using 4800 sure it'll work"
[11:52] <daveake> Something like that
[11:52] <Laurenceb_> 4800 baud?
[11:52] <daveake> That's what he said
[11:52] <Colin-G8TMV> If it's a Uni project someone should have a word with their tutor
[11:52] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[11:53] <daveake> Maybe he was confused with nmea
[11:53] <Colin-G8TMV> or maybe he meant 48 baud like the old rtty was
[11:53] <number10> maybea they are just transmitting the raw nmea
[11:53] <Darkside> old rtty was 45.45 baud
[11:53] <number10> - a
[11:54] <daveake> [01:02] <univbirm> 4800 baud, not sure of more than that sorry, one of the others is the radio master
[11:54] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ah, possibly a miscommunication
[11:54] <Upu> well going to have to go out soon
[11:54] <fsphil_2I0VIM> brb
[11:55] <GW8RAK> Wonder what I'm doing south of Nigeria?
[11:56] <Bob_G8NSV> Not put your lat long in, I was there as well last week!!
[11:56] <daveake> My car was in the Indian Ocean a few days ago
[11:56] <Colin-G8TMV> did it get wet?
[11:56] <number10> none of you sent a post card
[11:56] <GW8RAK> No, it's in okay
[11:56] <Bob_G8NSV> couldnt find a pillar box
[11:56] <daveake> They got wet
[11:56] <GW8RAK> Was working last time
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[11:57] <Colin-G8TMV> are we any closer to a launch?
[11:58] <jcoxon> Colin-G8TMV, looks like it
[11:58] <GW8RAK> Don't know where I am now, but M6DSA has also come down to Nigeria :)
[11:59] Action: Colin-G8TMV is happily (and correctly)in Sawston
[11:59] <jcoxon> there is a lag for position
[11:59] <jcoxon> give it 10mins
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[12:00] <jcoxon> hehe
[12:00] <jcoxon> if you look at the uplink on ozzie1 you can see whats happening
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[12:00] <Colin-G8TMV> jcoxon cool
[12:00] <Upu> ok I got to go out
[12:01] <Upu> Darkside/fsphil remote is set if you want to use it
[12:01] <Upu> bbl
[12:01] <Darkside> k
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[12:02] <cuddykid> no lift off yet then
[12:02] <navrac> just filling now, uplink repaired
[12:02] <Colin-G8TMV> what are all the REPARSE Rxs showing for Nexus?
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[12:06] <cuddykid> good stuff navrac - looking forward to your launch
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[12:07] <cuddykid> these cambridge launches could be interesting if they go higher than expected :D
[12:07] Nick change: PD3EM_shack -> Elmar_PD3EM
[12:08] <GW8RAK> Back at home now.
[12:08] <Elmar_PD3EM> Hey Colin-G8TMV, I ran into one of the camb hams yesterday
[12:08] <MrCraig-NB> ugh - libxmlrpc-core-c3 Don't suppose you have that one to DanielRichman ?
[12:08] <Colin-G8TMV> Great - which one?
[12:09] <DanielRichman> MrCraig-NB: that's odd. Which version of ubuntu are you building on
[12:09] <Elmar_PD3EM> don't know his name. Was one of the guys you are contesting with
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[12:09] <Colin-G8TMV> Ah, right
[12:09] <MrCraig-NB> 11.10
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[12:09] <Elmar_PD3EM> but he was surprised ;-)
[12:09] <Colin-G8TMV> Good!
[12:10] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[12:10] <MrCraig-NB> hello LL
[12:10] <Lunar_Lander> how is it going?
[12:11] <Colin-G8TMV> still waiting
[12:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Lunar_Lander moin
[12:11] <DanielRichman> MrCraig-NB: oneiric, right? I have tried building on that and it just worked, I'm suprised that you're having trouble :S. Try installing libxmlrpc-core-c3-dev
[12:11] <Lunar_Lander> moin OZ1SKY_Brian
[12:11] <DanielRichman> which apparently is a package in main
[12:11] <Lunar_Lander> is Apex's GPS working this time?
[12:12] <Colin-G8TMV> seems to be
[12:12] <MrCraig-NB> DanielRichman, oneiric yes, I'm not sure what the deal is - I've tried aptitude for the lib but it says no installation candidate - I'm on the ubuntu forums trying to find a provides or alternative.
[12:12] <DanielRichman> MrCraig-NB: run aptitude update then try agani
[12:12] <Lunar_Lander> that is good
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[12:13] <Matt_soton> finially
[12:13] <MrCraig-NB> ok - looks like I have the libs coming down now
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[12:13] <Colin-G8TMV> Ah , launch I think Apex
[12:13] <NickB1> apex is up i think
[12:14] <Lunar_Lander> 1:14 pm CET
[12:15] <Elmar_PD3EM> 12:14 UTC ~ 11:00 ISH time ;-)
[12:15] <Lunar_Lander> xD yeah
[12:16] <Morseman_G0DJA> I did wonder if they were all together
[12:16] <Lunar_Lander> hey Elmar_PD3EM, saw your post on the group about the american flight
[12:16] <daveake> Can hear it here.
[12:16] <Colin-G8TMV> right - I've got Apex ok
[12:16] <daveake> Just waiting for a 30 baud
[12:16] <daveake> 50 even
[12:16] <Elmar_PD3EM> Lunar_Lander: yeah, I got an email and shared it
[12:16] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[12:16] <Lunar_Lander> do you know that person? because he writes that he'll write an experiment report
[12:17] <Elmar_PD3EM> it was a forwarded message, check their website for latest info
[12:17] <daveake> 300 nearly working here
[12:18] <daveake> got one
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[12:18] <Colin-G8TMV> I'm getting 300 ok - no probs
[12:18] <Lunar_Lander> Elmar_PD3EM: OK, where is their website?
[12:18] <daveake> Same here now I've got 2 copies decoding
[12:19] <G0DJA> Distance calc is screwed again I Can't Let Maggie Go by Honeybus
[12:19] <G0DJA> Ooops!
[12:19] <daveake> blimey
[12:19] <Elmar_PD3EM> Lunar_Lander: http://madison-schools.com/domain/1123
[12:19] Nick change: number10 -> number10_M0MDB
[12:20] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[12:20] <daveake> Other side of the moon
[12:20] <Darkside> you can't get maggie out of your clipboard G0DJA
[12:20] <G0DJA> Dist/bearing not right here 360 degrees 573795.0km
[12:20] <LazyL-M0LEP> The config has forgoten to tick NMEA for both Lat and Long...
[12:21] <G0DJA> What do I need to change?
[12:21] <LazyL-M0LEP> Confif->DL Client->Payload and look for the NMEA tick boxes. They should both be ticked.
[12:22] <Lunar_Lander> Elmar_PD3EM: hey, Pell City!
[12:22] <Lunar_Lander> those are the people that flew with Bill Brown last year
[12:23] <Elmar_PD3EM> Lunar_Lander: i don't know that one
[12:23] <LazyL-M0LEP> G0DJA: Config->DL Client->Payload, even... ;)
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[12:23] <MrCraig-NB> DanielRichman, FYI - the problem is that 'libxmlrpc-core-c3' has been replaced by 'libxmlrpc-core-c3-0' - I've installed with ignore depends but not got it working yet.
[12:24] <priyesh> is the tracker working?
[12:24] <number10_M0MDB> yes
[12:24] <G0DJA> LazyL-M0LEP not in V3.29.20...
[12:24] <priyesh> are both payloads showing up fine
[12:24] <Darkside> hrmm, i'm a bit dubious about the Uplink RSSI value on navrac's payload. a valu eof 196 is a RSSI of -30dBm...
[12:25] <DanielRichman> G0DJA: is your latitude and longitude set correctly?
[12:25] <Darkside> unless thats the RSSI of the last uplink packet
[12:25] <number10_M0MDB> yes I see apex just heading south priyesh
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[12:26] <priyesh> hello all
[12:26] <G0DJA> It was the other day...
[12:26] <priyesh> we're on our way to the landing site
[12:27] <G0DJA> I'm showing in correct place on map
[12:27] <G0DJA> Can't find any 'NMEA' tick boxes in any menu
[12:28] <DanielRichman> G0DJA: that's odd then. Have you selected a payload and used autoconfigure, or have you set it up manually? Are the balloon latitude/longitude boxes being filled correctly with decimal degrees positions?
[12:28] <danielsaul> Hello
[12:28] <Matt_soton> anyone listening to NEXUS or WOMBAT?
[12:29] <G0DJA> I used "Refresh payload" then clicked on the dropdown, found APEX and clicked on that then autoconfigure
[12:29] <gonzo_> is there any data on it?
[12:29] <LazyL-M0LEP> OZZY's in the air too...
[12:29] <priyesh> thanks to those tracking APEX :)
[12:29] <LazyL-M0LEP> OZZIE, even
[12:29] <danielsaul> but squirrel (nexus_ should be fine
[12:29] <danielsaul> oops
[12:29] <G0DJA> $$APEX $$APEX,387,12:29:34,5209.7989,00007.0047,04324,05,026.7,0.25,25.56,4.62*FEA5 $$APEX,387,12:29:34,5209.7989,00007.0047,04324,05,026.7,0.25,25.56,4.62*FEA5
[12:31] <navrac> ozzie launched - far too much helium !
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[12:31] <G0DJA> Lat = 5209.5746 Long 00007.2120 !!!
[12:31] <LazyL-M0LEP> navrac: What frequency etc. is it on?
[12:31] <Colin-G8TMV> what colour is the apex balloon I'm trying to spot it?
[12:31] <griffonbot> @cuspaceflight: Nova20 away! #ukhas [http://twitter.com/cuspaceflight/status/178820545381543936]
[12:32] <navrac> 434.2 50baud 7 bit 2 stop 312hz shift
[12:32] <Lunar_Lander> Colin-G8TMV: green
[12:32] <Colin-G8TMV> ta
[12:32] <priyesh> Colin-G8TMV: it's white! :P
[12:32] <priyesh> oh
[12:32] <Colin-G8TMV> Lunar_Lander: no, not the tracker colour!
[12:32] <priyesh> on spacenearus it's green :P
[12:33] <Colin-G8TMV> I think it's going to come close enough to see
[12:33] <G0DJA> Anyone getting sensible lat/long from APEX and if so what settings you using?
[12:33] <DanielRichman> G0DJA: let me test it myself with the version of dl-fldig that you are using, one min
[12:33] <Darkside> navrac: whats the Uplink RSSI value
[12:33] <Colin-G8TMV> G0DJA: I'm using the default APEX settings
[12:33] <Darkside> navrac: is it the RSSI of the last packet? or the background noise floor
[12:33] <navrac> can somebody clear ozzies data off the flight tracker as it still has tunisia in
[12:34] <priyesh> everyone tracking apex fine?
[12:34] <navrac> rsi of the last rcvd packet, but the uplinks crashed again so rebooting
[12:34] <Darkside> crashed?
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[12:34] <G0DJA> Priyesh good signals but my FL-Digi decoding lat/long incorrectly
[12:35] <navrac> i have problem with thwe uplin krfm it keeps dying
[12:35] <navrac> so im just resetting it
[12:36] <Colin-G8TMV> priyesh: no problems trackin from here
[12:36] <priyesh> Great!
[12:36] <DanielRichman> G0DJA: which version exactly are you using/where did you install it from?
[12:37] <LazyL-M0LEP> The default APEX setting has an error. It only has NMEA flagged for Latitude, not for Longitude.
[12:37] <G0DJA> V3.20.29 HAB and cant remember where from ut I got rid of a V.3.21 version and went back to this one - it worked with XABEN the other day
[12:38] <fsphil_2I0VIM> back
[12:38] <fsphil_2I0VIM> and I see we have a launch
[12:39] <Lunar_Lander> two!!
[12:39] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[12:39] <DanielRichman> G0DJA: okay. IIRC there is a bug with how it decides what the format the latitude or longitude is in. In the dl-fldigi tab of the options window there will a sub-tab with some settinsg like "latitude": 2 "longitude": 3, and some nmea tickboxes
[12:39] <fsphil_2I0VIM> yay, ozzie's up
[12:39] <navrac> paging jcoxon
[12:39] <DanielRichman> try toggling the nmea tickboxes, saving, reopening the window and then setting them both to ON, and seeing if it decodes lat/lon correctly
[12:40] <DanielRichman> I think that is what Upu said the solution to this problem was
[12:40] <junderwood_M0JCU> Does anyone have a dial freq for Ozzie?
[12:40] <jcoxon> hey
[12:40] <daveake> No, tried but can't hear it
[12:41] <number10_M0MDB> 434.2
[12:41] <fsphil_2I0VIM> is anyone receiving sstv yet?
[12:41] <junderwood_M0JCU> number10_M0MDB, thanks. Will wait for it to appear over the horizon.
[12:41] <navrac> can you hear it - the uplinks packed in again so its down to you whilst i bring the mast down again
[12:42] <jcoxon> yeah i can hear it
[12:42] <number10_M0MDB> ozzie is reversed btw
[12:43] <Matt_soton> someone needs to get the predictor to update
[12:43] <G0DJA> The nearest I can find is the "Fields" box with 'Time Field ID' = 3 Latitude Field ID = 4 Longitude Field ID = 5 Altitude Field ID = 6
[12:44] <G0DJA> No NMEA boxes
[12:44] Action: LazyL-M0LEP is getting OZZIE1, some of the time...
[12:44] <fsphil_2I0VIM> problems with nexus and wombat or just nobody listening?
[12:45] <fsphil_2I0VIM> oh wait they're on a separate balloon
[12:45] <fsphil_2I0VIM> guess that's not launched yet
[12:45] <priyesh> APEX is one balloon
[12:45] <priyesh> WOMBAT + NEXUS is another balloon
[12:45] <danielsaul> fsphil_2I0VIM: it is launched
[12:45] <priyesh> we launched together
[12:45] <fsphil_2I0VIM> see what happens when there's so many payloads :)
[12:45] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I get confused
[12:45] <priyesh> was really cool :)
[12:45] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ahhh
[12:45] <danielsaul> We launched at precisey the same time - great countdown :D
[12:45] <G0DJA> Hearing some weak FM on 434.000
[12:46] <fsphil_2I0VIM> be interesting to see how far apart they land :)
[12:46] <LazyL-M0LEP> Yeah, two in the air at present. Reasonable tracker coverage on both.
[12:46] <Lunar_Lander> nexus doesn't seem to work?
[12:46] <fsphil_2I0VIM> nexus and wombat are both on the ground on my map
[12:46] <G0DJA> I've given up on APEX will see what get from one of the others
[12:46] <DanielRichman> G0DJA: I dug up the code and there should be a checkbox near "Longitude Field ID"
[12:46] <G0DJA> Is the FM APRS?
[12:46] <fsphil_2I0VIM> G0DJA, rtty
[12:47] <GW8RAK> Dial frequency for APEX please
[12:47] <fsphil_2I0VIM> the phone is generating the rtty tones, transmitting over FM
[12:47] <G0DJA> DanielRichman only other box is Field Count = 11
[12:47] <priyesh> what freq is ozzie?
[12:47] <priyesh> GW8RAK: 434.649
[12:47] <GW8RAK> Thank you
[12:47] <number10_M0MDB> ozzie is 434.2
[12:47] <Lunar_Lander> hi GW8RAK
[12:47] <priyesh> ok
[12:48] <GW8RAK> Hi Lunar
[12:48] <DanielRichman> G0DJA: I'm afraid I have no idea then, sorry
[12:48] <G0DJA> APEX = 434.650 +1000Hz here
[12:48] <number10_M0MDB> tracking both ozzie and apex from here
[12:48] <fsphil_2I0VIM> is that the most recent version G0DJA?
[12:48] <Bob_G8NSV> can hear apex here in Christchurch on slim jim. Not strong enough to decode yet
[12:48] <Darkside> who is uplinking to ozzie at the moment?
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[12:49] <gonzo_> Igood sigs on the yagi in poole
[12:49] <Darkside> and at what power
[12:49] <danielsaul> Our insulation is doing well :)
[12:49] <G0DJA> fsphil_2I0VIM no idea, it was the one I loaded when 1st started on HAB
[12:49] <navrac> im uplinking to ozzie with 100mW its 5km away
[12:49] <Bob_G8NSV> Im pushing it on a slim jim in the loft!!!
[12:49] <number10_M0MDB> I am uploading ozzie from here Darkside
[12:49] <G0DJA> I deleated a 'Beta' version as it wouldn't work - this one worked for XABEN the other day
[12:49] <navrac> sorry uplinking
[12:49] <Elmar_PD3EM> seeing the first APEX characters coming in....
[12:49] <Darkside> navrac: cool
[12:49] <Darkside> i'll be interested to see how far away you can talk to it
[12:50] <navrac> 1090 rssi i can look up in the datasheet
[12:50] <Darkside> -70dBm
[12:50] <G0DJA> The WOMBAT settings seem wierd as well
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[12:50] <Rob_M0DTS> wombat coming and going here
[12:50] <Upu> got Apex
[12:51] <Rob_M0DTS> good sign when its in though
[12:51] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ah, wombat updated on the map
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[12:52] <Colin-G8TMV> Apex very good here, but it is very close, it's also drifting up quite a lot
[12:52] <GW8RAK> That's better. Found the dodgy patch lead at last. Now big signals
[12:52] <G0DJA> Where did WOMBAT go?
[12:52] <fsphil_2I0VIM> wombit is now at 12km
[12:52] <fsphil_2I0VIM> wombat even :)
[12:52] <Upu> what dial is Wombat on?
[12:52] <fsphil_2I0VIM> overtaken apex
[12:53] <navrac> thats -65dbm at the receiver with a theoretical floor of -118dbm or realistic -110dbm as its too close to the microp
[12:53] <Colin-G8TMV> Ah, wombat suddenly tracking
[12:53] <danielsaul> Wombat's radio is extremely dodgy - was too warm to work on the ground
[12:53] <G0DJA> It was just up from 434.000 here a minute ago
[12:53] <Rob_M0DTS> 434.0 but just dissapeared,it this the one with tx lock problem?
[12:53] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ozzie above 2km, nice
[12:53] <priyesh> Apex's insulation is doing /really/ well
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[12:53] <Darkside> DanielRichman: ping
[12:54] <G0DJA> I'll try OZZIE can someone remind me of its freq please?
[12:54] <DanielRichman> Darkside: hi
[12:54] <jcoxon> 434.199
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[12:54] <number10_M0MDB> 434.2
[12:54] <G0DJA> Thanks
[12:54] <Darkside> DanielRichman: RSSI(dBm) = value*0.5 - 122.5
[12:54] <Darkside> can you make the tracker display that?
[12:54] <Upu> can't hear wombat
[12:54] <DanielRichman> Darkside: certainly :-)
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[12:54] <Darkside> i.e. 109 is -68dBm
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[12:56] <G0DJA> Something up with payload download here - just set OZZIE as a 23Hz shift!
[12:57] <fsphil_2I0VIM> that's a known bug with non-standard shifts G0DJA
[12:57] <Darkside> yep it won't auto set weird shifts
[12:57] <fsphil_2I0VIM> it will be fixed in the next version
[12:57] <LazyL-M0LEP> Yeah, OZZIE1 needed setting up almost from scratch RTTY wise...
[12:57] <cuddykid> I can hear apex on the whip here in worcester
[12:57] <cuddykid> let me grab my yagi and stand :P
[12:57] <LazyL-M0LEP> Also, it's a reversed signal.
[12:58] <G0DJA> Can someone remind me what OZZIE needs to be then please?
[12:58] <G0DJA> Oh joy
[12:58] <cuddykid> which balloon should I focus on? WOMBAT?
[12:59] <LazyL-M0LEP> Shift 310, 50 baud, 7 bits, no parity, 2 stop bits
[12:59] <LazyL-M0LEP> cuddykid: If you can decode it. ;)
[12:59] <number10_M0MDB> g0dja ozzie needs to be 434.199 50 baud 7 N 2 - 317 shift reversed
[12:59] <G0DJA> Thanks - seems to be decoding now
[13:00] <LazyL-M0LEP> APEX has decent coverage at present, and OZZIE1 is getting 3 or 4.
[13:00] <navrac> ping jcoxon
[13:00] <GW8RAK> At last a decode from Apex
[13:01] <jcoxon> hey navrac
[13:01] <navrac> any luck with uploading?
[13:01] <G0DJA> GW8RAK I was decoding APEX just the lat/long was far, far away
[13:02] <jcoxon> navrac, no nothing
[13:02] <navrac> my tx has jut died again - got 5km with good RSSI but now cant get the transmitter to run again
[13:02] <fsphil_2I0VIM> that's pretty good
[13:02] <G0DJA> Yaeh, a decode from OZZIE1
[13:02] <cuddykid> I'll try for OZZIE1
[13:02] <GW8RAK> The 50 baud transmissions are good, but the 300's are not
[13:02] <jcoxon> i'm 39km away
[13:03] <Darkside> jcoxon: try recording a transmission from your module
[13:03] <Darkside> and retransmitting that using a higher powered transmitter
[13:03] <G0DJA> Bearing 123.3 deg 214.8km 2586m ASL
[13:03] <jcoxon> Darkside, sadly don't have time
[13:03] <jcoxon> need to go in 10mins
[13:03] <G0DJA> GW8RAK I often struggle with the faster bauds as well
[13:04] <GW8RAK> I'm just a bit too far away I think
[13:04] <Darkside> dammit i dont have my RFM22B module
[13:04] <Darkside> else i'd record it and give you guys the wave file
[13:04] <Colin-G8TMV> The Apex prediction doesn't seem to have updated
[13:04] <G0DJA> OZZIE getting weaker here
[13:05] <Colin-G8TMV> Ah, a refresh of the page fixed it
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[13:06] <Laurenceb_> navrac: you flying ozzie1?
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[13:06] <navrac> yep ish
[13:06] <Laurenceb_> navrac:4.5==4.5km rANGE?
[13:07] <Laurenceb_> uplink with another si4432/rfm22b?
[13:07] <CovBalloon> I am getting a strong signal in coventry but there is a lot of static noise using a yagi and the aor ar8000, any ideas on how to remove the static?
[13:07] <G0DJA> You still decoding WOMBAT ROB?
[13:07] <navrac> yep - its the uplink range but the uplink tx and aerial is on my desk and im trying to repair it atm
[13:07] <Laurenceb_> oops
[13:08] <Laurenceb_> rssi is the raw register?
[13:08] <Rob_M0DTS> Nothing heard from WOMBAT again yet.. waiting!
[13:08] <cuddykid> not getting these 300 baud ones
[13:08] Action: Laurenceb_ grabs datasheet
[13:08] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: not any more
[13:08] <Darkside> daniel has fixed it
[13:08] <G0DJA> Rob_M0DTS FM or SSB?
[13:08] <Laurenceb_> so what is it? dBm?
[13:08] <Darkside> RSSI is in dBm, uplink rssi_raw is the raw value
[13:08] <Rob_M0DTS> i was just listening in ssb and got the decode..!
[13:08] <Darkside> and thats the RSSI of the last received message
[13:08] <Laurenceb_> holy shit
[13:08] <Laurenceb_> i thought it might be bad
[13:08] <Darkside> which was at 5km range
[13:09] <Laurenceb_> but not that bad
[13:09] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: its not the noise floow rssi
[13:09] <Laurenceb_> wait
[13:09] <Laurenceb_> oh
[13:09] <Darkside> he isnt mesruting that
[13:09] <Laurenceb_> i thought that was noise floor
[13:09] <Darkside> would be nic eif we could see that
[13:09] <DanielRichman> Darkside: refresh spacenear to see units on the rssi field (and the raw value hidden)
[13:09] <Darkside> as it would answer a LOT of questions
[13:09] <Laurenceb_> you can on cc1020
[13:09] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: you can on the RSM22B too
[13:09] <F5MVO> i confirm also 300 bauds hard to decode here
[13:09] <Darkside> RFM22B*
[13:09] <Darkside> but he isnt doing it
[13:09] <cuddykid> can't decode apex at all
[13:09] <Laurenceb_> yeah id be interested just to know noise floor
[13:09] <LazyL-M0LEP> What's down with NEXUS?
[13:10] <GW8RAK> 300 bd APEX getting stronger
[13:10] <Rob_M0DTS> apec 300bd fb here.. S8 :-)
[13:10] <cuddykid> what freq is ozzie?
[13:10] <navrac> sadly my tx is faulty so im struggling to get it to transmit - its on my desk so no chance of uplink working properly
[13:10] <Darkside> 434.2
[13:10] <cuddykid> cheers
[13:10] <navrac> just got 14km from my ground floor desk though
[13:11] <GW8RAK> APEX is S7 here according to the 817
[13:11] <G0DJA> Oh, I give up. Kate wants to go and try a fitness centre out so I'm closing down
[13:11] <GW8RAK> 1st 300 bd deocde :)
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[13:12] <navrac> i think with the aerial on the mast this would work
[13:12] <Rob_M0DTS> 300bd s/n here is 23db.. pretty cool! could do a lot more...hi
[13:13] <Darkside> who is uplinking to OZZIE1 now?
[13:13] <cuddykid> loads of noise here
[13:13] <jcoxon> navrac, thats me out
[13:13] <jcoxon> i have to go
[13:13] <jcoxon> good luck
[13:13] <navrac> ok thanks for trying -
[13:13] <Darkside> who did office:7:16km?
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[13:13] <Laurenceb_> this is insane
[13:13] <navrac> well ive done 15km with the tx and aerial on my desk pointing nowhere so i think on the mast this will work well
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[13:13] <Darkside> navrac: ground level?
[13:13] <Laurenceb_> *should* have another 30dB or so
[13:14] <fsphil_2I0VIM> where's apex on the dial now?
[13:14] <Darkside> what kind of antenna?
[13:14] <Laurenceb_> of link margin
[13:14] <Laurenceb_> if the noise up there isnt really bad
[13:14] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: yeah
[13:14] <Darkside> i'm wondering if we can just use a normal module for the uplink!
[13:14] <cuddykid> fantastic navrac
[13:14] <Darkside> instead of requiring anything fancy
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[13:14] <Colin-G8TMV> fsphil_2I0VIM: 434.650 + 1000
[13:14] <Morseman_G0DJA> I'll have a look for another version of FL-Digi - where is the 'official' download area please?
[13:14] <Darkside> im thinking something small + small yagi would handle the uplink
[13:14] <Lunar_Lander> is ozzie really that slow?
[13:14] <cuddykid> this will be AWESOME!
[13:15] <navrac> im surrounded by hills here an havent got los at the moment and am working indoors with a small yagi on my lap
[13:15] <fsphil_2I0VIM> thanks Colin-G8TMV
[13:15] <cuddykid> Lunar: it's a pico
[13:15] <Lunar_Lander> yes, and?
[13:15] <Darkside> navrac: very cool
[13:15] <cuddykid> very slow ascent usually - not much lift
[13:15] <cuddykid> only small balloon
[13:15] <cuddykid> 36"
[13:15] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[13:15] <navrac> 18km
[13:16] <navrac> you can etll when it rcvs a valid packet as it goes back to tx quick
[13:16] <cuddykid> :D
[13:16] <fsphil_2I0VIM> my wifi can't even stream 8000hz mono audio
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[13:16] <cuddykid> this is super cool navrac - well done
[13:16] <cuddykid> knew this would be the most interesting flight :D
[13:16] <Darkside> i'm still forseeing problems with drift though
[13:16] <Darkside> how far has the downlink drifted?
[13:16] <Darkside> i see the radio temp has been pretty constant
[13:17] <DanielRichman> MrCraig-NB: an update: I installed a clean copy of oneiric from the cd, enabled universe & source in software sources, apt-get updated, installed fldigi deps, installed the packages listed on the wiki, downloaded the libjsoncpp-dev and libjsoncpp0 debs from my ppa with firefox.
[13:17] <number10_M0MDB> I like the message thanks habbers from ozzie
[13:17] <navrac> its dropped a bit - ill explain what i did later
[13:17] <DanielRichman> I then changed into the dl-fldigi directory and ran git submodule init, git submoudle update, then built it
[13:17] <navrac> yep at 20km
[13:18] <DanielRichman> I have updated the wiki page with the missing submodule steps
[13:18] <navrac> the ext temp is fritzed on launch though
[13:18] <fsphil_2I0VIM> man that's a confusing tracker map. too many circles :)
[13:18] <cuddykid> navrac: does the uplink text get sent down again?
[13:18] <DanielRichman> it appears to work now :-)
[13:18] <navrac> yep the uplink text is put in the rtty packet
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[13:18] <Darkside> how long can it be?
[13:18] <fsphil_2I0VIM> that's really neat
[13:18] <Darkside> :P
[13:19] <Darkside> see if you can buffer overflow the avr
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[13:19] <Darkside> and do remote code injection
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[13:19] <fsphil_2I0VIM> first high altitude remote exploit
[13:19] <Rob_M0DTS> ha
[13:19] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[13:19] <cuddykid> lol
[13:19] <navrac> i can remote reboot but thats about it
[13:19] <cuddykid> hacking in space
[13:20] <fsphil_2I0VIM> no sign of apex here yet
[13:20] <Darkside> navrac: how does it copy the received string into the outbound packet?
[13:20] <Darkside> is it a fixed length copy?
[13:20] <Darkside> :P
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[13:21] <cuddykid> trying to create an overflow Darkside?!
[13:21] <Darkside> yeah :P
[13:21] <Darkside> well, just thinking if its possible or not
[13:21] <daveake> He wants to send "Burst!Burst!Burst!" :)
[13:21] <Darkside> lol
[13:21] <fsphil_2I0VIM> hacking at 31337 km
[13:21] <fsphil_2I0VIM> er, m
[13:22] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[13:22] <gonzo_> what's the current thoughts on the short term freq drift of HABs?
[13:22] <Darkside> navrac: are you using a boost converter on the payload?
[13:22] <navrac> yes
[13:22] <gonzo_> I'm wondering about acceleration /gravity on the NTX2 xtal ref as tha payload swings
[13:22] <Darkside> which one?
[13:22] <gonzo_> I'm watching apex at the mo
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[13:22] <navrac> sorry trying to move thre aerial outside - all my helpers have left so biab err 1802
[13:22] <Darkside> gonzo_: there'll be a small amount of doppler
[13:23] <fsphil_2I0VIM> doppler should be pretty insignificant though?
[13:23] <gonzo_> this is true, but this much>
[13:23] <danielsaul> We're at predicted landing site
[13:23] <danielsaul> ish
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[13:23] <Darkside> gonzo_: you're seeing short term drift due to temperature fluctuations
[13:23] <gonzo_> Keep lookiung up lads!
[13:23] <Darkside> most likely anyway
[13:23] <Matt_soton> oh that was quick :P
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[13:24] <gonzo_> Well, thinking of the wobble, rather than the steady drift
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[13:24] <Darkside> gonzo_: yeah, short term variations
[13:24] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I now have APEX on my waterfall
[13:24] <Darkside> with bits of wind getting into the payload, that kind of thing
[13:24] <gonzo_> I've seen variations when you change the orientation of a xtal
[13:24] <fsphil_2I0VIM> take that horizon :)
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[13:25] <gonzo_> ah, that could be a factor, I assumed it would be sealed
[13:25] <G0DJA> BTW - This is where I think I got DL-FLdigi from https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/downloads
[13:25] <cuddykid> just a thought - apex is getting rather close to London :P
[13:25] <gonzo_> real good sigs here from apex, nada from ozzie
[13:25] <cuddykid> the live predictor seems to have packed up for apex?
[13:25] <fsphil_2I0VIM> getting partial decodes already
[13:26] <fsphil_2I0VIM> conditions must be good
[13:26] <Matt_soton> danielsaul: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=dab7bac0c6287c506a873ec304cc4a08f76c30af
[13:26] <MrCraig-NB> Picking up something at 434.650.9 but very weak (understandable on the small whip) but no sign of that birmingham flight
[13:26] <Lunar_Lander> cuddykid: OHHH!
[13:27] <MrCraig-NB> Also, hit make on dl-fldigi and it kicks off building now, then errors that it can't find Extractor.h - getting late for my drive back so giving up :-/
[13:27] <cuddykid> just a quick extrapolation of Apex giving around 30km burst - would but on the outskirts
[13:27] <cuddykid> *put it on
[13:27] <Adam_> Apex is cutting it a little close? A stiff breeze and they'll be heading for the wrong side of the M25
[13:27] <Lunar_Lander> OHHH
[13:27] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[13:28] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[13:28] Action: Lunar_Lander hits his head
[13:28] <cuddykid> indeed Adam_
[13:28] <fsphil_2I0VIM> Lunar_Lander, marmite?
[13:28] <number10_M0MDB> or epping forest
[13:28] <Lunar_Lander> marmite?
[13:28] <fsphil_2I0VIM> yea
[13:28] <fsphil_2I0VIM> marmite
[13:28] <cuddykid> I would guess they will have a burst of ~33km aswell
[13:28] <cuddykid> so a fair way to go yet
[13:28] <Lunar_Lander> why marmite?
[13:28] <fsphil_2I0VIM> just cause
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[13:28] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[13:29] <Lunar_Lander> but what if this is the end of HAB
[13:29] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I can hear the 300 baud telemetry now
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[13:29] <Colin-G8TMV> Has Wombat's radio packed up?
[13:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> what happend to nexus?`
[13:30] <cuddykid> Lunar_Lander: should be fine :)
[13:30] <LazyL-M0LEP> ...or is nobody listening to them?
[13:30] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[13:31] <gonzo_> only seeing sigs from apex here
[13:31] <Upu> right what needs listening too ?
[13:31] <Upu> on APEX at the moment but back at keyboard and listen
[13:32] <Upu> Rob_M0DTS WOMBAt gone awol ?
[13:32] <Lunar_Lander> hello Upu
[13:32] <Upu> hi Lnar
[13:32] <Rob_M0DTS> Upu: seems so, nothing heard since that single decode
[13:33] <Upu> Still searching for it ?
[13:33] <fsphil_2I0VIM> :( means no sstv
[13:34] <Rob_M0DTS> yeah but nothing heard, it was going on/off before it totally dissapeared
[13:34] <Upu> ok
[13:34] <cuddykid> Apex is making weird tracks
[13:34] <Upu> I'll stick with Apex as I think Ozzie is going to be out of my range
[13:34] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I so need a yagi
[13:34] <navrac> ive fixed the tx, now cant find the mast bracket and ozzie is between a house and me
[13:34] <F5MVO> easy to decode 50 bauds than 300
[13:35] <Darkside> navrac: what was the problem with teh tx?
[13:35] <Upu> yep F5MVO
[13:35] Action: Colin-G8TMV is still getting mostly good 300 baud decodes from Apex
[13:35] <Upu> Yeah better than last time
[13:36] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ah, $$APEX
[13:36] <fsphil_2I0VIM> at last
[13:36] <cuddykid> love how apex is just following M11
[13:36] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[13:36] <LazyL-M0LEP> F5MVO: Looks like OZZIE1 is heading you way ;)
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[13:36] <fsphil_2I0VIM> brb
[13:36] <navrac> im not sure - as soon as i called rfinit to initialise the rfm22b it would die - i think the pcb is cracked - repaired one crack and it worked for a bit then repaired another crack but now cant get it on the mast as i took it down and lost the bracket
[13:36] <GW8RAK> Apex is S8 now.
[13:37] Action: Cillian huggles wombat
[13:37] <Randomskk> on
[13:37] <Randomskk> :( wombat
[13:37] <Upu> one thing I'll looking forward to is actually seeing the S meter going up
[13:37] <Randomskk> danielsaul: around?
[13:37] <Lunar_Lander> ozzie is about to leave land
[13:37] <daveake> Ozzy Seabourne
[13:38] Action: cuddykid waits for the F-22s to be scrambled
[13:38] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[13:38] <Darkside> navrac: what was the boost converter you used
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[13:42] <Matt_soton> is north weald airfield busy? http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=f4abfb05859575c561f4833ad592c01691511401
[13:42] <navrac> ncp1402
[13:42] <Darkside> navrac: really?!
[13:42] <navrac> yep
[13:42] <Darkside> what gps module
[13:42] <Upu> is that bad ?
[13:42] <Darkside> i think it has 200mA current capacity
[13:42] <Upu> it does
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[13:42] <Darkside> it just means the TPS61200's i'm using will be fine
[13:43] <Darkside> in facy, slightly overkill :P
[13:43] <navrac> upus
[13:43] <Darkside> ahh
[13:43] <Darkside> the MAX-6Q module?
[13:43] <Darkside> or a NEO
[13:43] <navrac> sorry guys trying to get the aerial back up before it gets out of range
[13:43] <Darkside> ok
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[13:48] <Colin-G8TMV> lots of fading on Apex now
[13:49] <fsphil_2I0VIM> still not strong enough to decode here
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[13:50] <Colin-G8TMV> the fading is rapid enough that I'd never get a 50 baud decode, but about every other 300 baud one is ok
[13:51] <fsphil_2I0VIM> apex signal wandering a bit
[13:52] <Colin-G8TMV> quite a bit
[13:52] <eroomde> it's like apex has just said "wooooah airport!"
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[13:53] <jgrahamc> Afternoon.
[13:53] <jgrahamc> Looks like a few balloons in the air.
[13:53] <Uni_> hello, we are university of birmingham studetns and have just launched from tenbury wells. the gps has failed but a signal is still being emitted, to track this we need help triangulating it. if anyone is in the birmingham area please help us out!
[13:54] <Uni_> frequency is 434.650
[13:54] <cuddykid> ooh - that explains why my signal on 434.650 was messy!
[13:54] <Colin-G8TMV> Uni - that is on top of another currently flying ballon
[13:54] <Darkside> Upu: not going to work well, Apex is on the same frequency
[13:54] <cuddykid> I'm in worcester Uni_
[13:54] <fsphil_2I0VIM> sorta: $$AEX,638,13:54>00,5152.0196,00008.101x,29032,09,030.2,-21.44,-2>63,4.32*cCd
[13:54] <cuddykid> I'll have a listen
[13:54] <Colin-G8TMV> Uni - you should have delayed or switched freq
[13:55] <jgrahamc> What's going on with WOMBAT?
[13:55] <Uni_> apex is over in cambridge and this was our only launch day
[13:55] <Darkside> Upu: apex is at 26km altitude
[13:55] <Darkside> it has coverage over the entire UK
[13:55] <Darkside> Uni_: *
[13:55] <Colin-G8TMV> Uni_: that does *not* excuse using the same frequency
[13:55] <cuddykid> I thought the signal from apex wasn't as good as usual here :P
[13:55] <Darkside> 29km altitude
[13:55] <Uni_> thankyou cuddy kid
[13:55] <Uni_> my number is 07989193842, if you find it please give me a text!
[13:56] <Darkside> Uni_: when a balloon gets up to peak altitude, it can be heard over a HUGE area, look at the coverage circles on http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[13:56] <navrac> managed to get a packet to ozzie at 45km but its in my blind spot and cant receive it now
[13:56] <Darkside> navrac: has blank upload text though
[13:56] <fsphil_2I0VIM> partially decoding 300 baud, but still no complete 50 baud string
[13:57] <eroomde> Uni_: please keep an eye on the ukhas mailing lists. if you want it's help, it's best not to fly over someone else without telling someone!
[13:57] <eroomde> its*
[13:57] <navrac> yep - i sent it the shortest possible packet - just nulls
[13:57] <Darkside> navrac: ahh ok
[13:57] <Uni_> We have to move now. We will keep you updated.
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[13:57] <Darkside> Uni_: do you avbe details of your transmitter anywhere
[13:57] <Darkside> damn
[13:57] <navrac> i can only just hear it though and cant decode as theres now a hill between me and ozzie
[13:57] <Darkside> seriously, what dicks though
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[13:57] <Hibby> well, Uni seemed nice.
[13:58] <eroomde> :)
[13:58] <daveake> <splutter>
[13:58] <Hibby> typical student, unable to read or acknowlede what's being told.
[13:58] <eroomde> ahem
[13:58] <eroomde> most of the flights up today are by students
[13:58] <cuddykid> :O Hibby! lol
[13:58] <Colin-G8TMV> Darkside: yup - just tell us last night they are going to splat us and then not wait for any response
[13:58] Action: Hibby puts the trollface away
[13:58] <cuddykid> lol eroomde
[13:59] <number10_M0MDB> I think when you leave uni Darkside you should be in the Oz diplomatic service
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[13:59] <eroomde> yes i waas thinking that
[13:59] <cuddykid> I never usually get noise here - that explains all!
[13:59] <Darkside> number10_M0MDB: pff
[13:59] <number10_M0MDB> lol
[13:59] <Darkside> tell them to get fucked
[13:59] <Hibby> 'salright, I'm only smug because I ran our student balloon programme last year
[13:59] <number10_M0MDB> just jay it how it us
[13:59] <number10_M0MDB> is
[13:59] <Darkside> pardon the french
[13:59] <jgrahamc> Looking at the tracker there's a flight called WOMBAT that appears to be predicted to land fairly near me. What flight is that?
[13:59] <Colin-G8TMV> looks like Apex is heading for home <g>
[13:59] <cuddykid> guys, if one of you is free and can take a quick look at this it would be appreciated :P - have I got the pin outs etc right? -> http://pastebin.com/N4dLQ56v
[13:59] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ah man
[13:59] <fsphil_2I0VIM> $$APEX,653,13:59:03,5152.3743,00007.9890,30982,09,004.4,-27.31,-2.38,.32*7p66
[13:59] <fsphil_2I0VIM> just the checksum was wrong!
[13:59] <Darkside> number10_M0MDB: australian way is to tell it like it is
[13:59] <eroomde> jgrahamc: that's a small experimental cusf payload
[14:00] <Darkside> if they're wrong, you tell them that
[14:00] <Darkside> if they're very wrong, you put them in line
[14:00] <number10_M0MDB> thats what I was trying to say Darkside
[14:00] <jgrahamc> eroomde: Is it really coming my way? Looks like no data for a while.
[14:00] <Darkside> number10_M0MDB: :-)
[14:01] <eroomde> jgrahamc: no idea. jsut texted jonsowman
[14:01] <Darkside> i know the wombat transmitter was a bit dodgy
[14:01] <eroomde> i live in oxford now so i'm just a spectator
[14:01] <Colin-G8TMV> Apex now done it's circuit and on final approach to stansted
[14:01] <Darkside> had troubles getting lock
[14:01] <Darkside> and NEXUS is 10mW of AFSK on FM..
[14:01] <jgrahamc> eroomde: thanks. If it's really flying over my head I'll get the Yagi out as it nears.
[14:01] <Darkside> so thats not going to be very easy to receive
[14:03] <fsphil_2I0VIM> one character out again
[14:03] <cuddykid> right - APEX question - is the 50baud every 10 or so 300baud?
[14:03] <Lunar_Lander> priyesh: =
[14:03] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[14:03] <cuddykid> I'm hearing one quite clear - would indicate the the birmingham uni one is poor if it's Apex
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[14:03] <cuddykid> Matt_Soton: ^
[14:03] <Colin-G8TMV> *pop*
[14:04] <fsphil_2I0VIM> burst?
[14:04] <Matt_soton> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=d5630547205f21e06ac035f8b242afbe3d74dcca
[14:04] <Colin-G8TMV> yes on Apex
[14:04] <fsphil_2I0VIM> yea
[14:04] <fsphil_2I0VIM> spin to win!
[14:04] <Colin-G8TMV> and the signal is really weird
[14:04] <fsphil_2I0VIM> well I nearly got a decode, three times
[14:04] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil_2I0VIM: Hypnodisc?
[14:04] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[14:04] <fsphil_2I0VIM> silly rtty
[14:05] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: OH MAN
[14:05] <Darkside> i nostalgia'd
[14:05] <fsphil_2I0VIM> lol
[14:05] <cuddykid> hmm - dunno what the brum uni people are doing if I can't hear it here....
[14:05] <fsphil_2I0VIM> that's the one Lunar_Lander
[14:05] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[14:05] <Matt_soton> cuddykid: im guessing apex is alot higher and so alot clearer
[14:05] <cuddykid> Matt_soton: i'm very close to birmingham though - so odd
[14:05] <eroomde> but it should be ontop of cuddykid
[14:05] <Matt_soton> but they shouldnt be exactly ontop of each other
[14:05] <Matt_soton> oh i see
[14:05] <Darkside> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypno-Disc
[14:05] <Matt_soton> mind you directly on top isnt great position
[14:05] <eroomde> Darkside: ?
[14:05] <Lunar_Lander> YAY
[14:06] <LazyL-M0LEP> Coming down fast. ;)
[14:06] <Colin-G8TMV> right - signal has cleaned up
[14:06] <cuddykid> I'll drop the brumies a text
[14:06] <Matt_soton> do we have a website for them or sometihng?
[14:06] <Colin-G8TMV> LazyL-M0LEP: it was doing -31 a moment ago
[14:06] <fsphil_2I0VIM> no sign of another signal here on 434.650-- so that limits their altitude
[14:06] <Colin-G8TMV> looks like the chute finally cleared
[14:06] <fsphil_2I0VIM> although if it's transmitting at 4800 baud continuously I won't see it above the noise
[14:07] <Lunar_Lander> but when I look at the footage Darkside, the first hypnodisc somehow doesn't have the effect it had years before on me
[14:07] <Lunar_Lander> I mean it ripped Robogeddon and Stealth to shreds
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[14:07] <Darkside> heh
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[14:07] <Lunar_Lander> but I think later it was much more powerful
[14:07] <Darkside> fsphil_2I0VIM: yeah, 4800 baud was kind of a dumb move
[14:08] <F5MVO> good flight for Apex
[14:09] <fsphil_2I0VIM> They seemed to edit out the noise of hypno disk -- it had this amazing spin up noise
[14:09] <Colin-G8TMV> freq drifting the other way a lot now
[14:09] <Matt_soton> i wonder if they attached a gps directly to a NTX2
[14:10] <Darkside> Matt_soton: hah
[14:10] <Darkside> scary thing is thats possible
[14:10] <Matt_soton> well it would work fine on the ground and seems nice and simple :)
[14:11] <Matt_soton> the thing being is we wont hear it as standard rtty on a 3kHz SSB radio
[14:11] <Darkside> we'd see one of the tines
[14:11] <Darkside> tones
[14:11] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[14:11] <Darkside> if it happens to fall within the passband
[14:11] <Matt_soton> try switching to FM cuddykid
[14:11] <Darkside> Matt_soton: i doubt that'd work
[14:11] <Lunar_Lander> NTX2 connected to GPS TX without a computer?
[14:11] <Darkside> you'd need to tune around and look for the 'fuzzy' carrier
[14:12] <navrac> ozzie is still going up -= despite overfilling terribly
[14:12] <navrac> I was aiming for an ascent rate of 0.5 and got 1.6.
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[14:12] <Laurenceb_> navrac: still getting uplink at all?
[14:12] <Darkside> navrac: what balloon did oyu use?
[14:13] <navrac> just a qualatex 36 inch
[14:13] <Darkside> heh
[14:13] <Matt_soton> Darkside: yea i suppse ull hear the carrier when the GPS is taking a break, they dont output data constantly normally?
[14:13] <LazyL-M0LEP> Drifting quietly south... I've got geography and housing in the way at the moment...
[14:14] <Darkside> navrac: what was the boost converter
[14:14] <Darkside> wait
[14:14] <Darkside> nvm
[14:14] <Darkside> you said earlier
[14:14] <navrac> ive lost the uplink -ican only just receive ozzie - i have a blindspot from here which ozzie has gone into - as it ets further south it shuld come back but by then it will be well out of range
[14:14] <navrac> ncp1402
[14:14] <Darkside> navrac: any idea why the payload is staying so warm?
[14:14] <Darkside> i guess the external temp is still pretty high
[14:15] <navrac> the external is naffed. the internal temp is because i put a little copper strip across the chip and encased it in silicon rubber.
[14:15] <Darkside> hah
[14:15] <Darkside> ok
[14:15] <navrac> So the heat generated by the chip is enough to keep it warm
[14:16] <Darkside> i'm thinking the uplink wouldn't work when it gets *Really* cold
[14:16] <Darkside> but its something that needs to be tested
[14:16] <Darkside> i'm almost done on a cutdown pcb to test this
[14:16] <Colin-G8TMV> gah, it's drifting really fast
[14:16] <navrac> well I would have tested it if it wasnt for my rubbish location and the problem withthe transmitter
[14:16] <schofieldau> hey Darkside :)
[14:16] <Darkside> hey schofieldau
[14:16] <navrac> so im just going to be a passenger now
[14:17] <schofieldau> any news on one of those GPS modules?
[14:17] <schofieldau> although no real rush because the arduino is shipping from china
[14:17] <Darkside> ahh crap, still need to test it
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[14:17] <Darkside> hmm gott a hunt down a ftdi adaptor
[14:18] <navrac> i think the principle of the uplink is good - but I did make some student errors :-)
[14:18] <NickB1> whats the dial on ozzie?
[14:18] <schofieldau> that's alright
[14:18] <schofieldau> just let me know when you do so :)
[14:19] <number10_M0MDB> 434.199 NickB1
[14:20] <navrac> it seems to have been pretty stable freq wise for me so thats soem good news
[14:20] <navrac> the two things i will change are 1) use a seperate tx and rx
[14:20] <LazyL-M0LEP> Shift 310, 50 baud, 7 bits, no parity, 2 stop bits, reversed, dial 434.199.93 ;)
[14:21] <Rob_M0DTS> which is on 434.649 now?
[14:21] <Colin-G8TMV> apex
[14:21] <navrac> 2) place the rcvr and tx and processor further apart - i only realised as i released it that that was the reason the noise floor had crept up between the prototype and the final version
[14:22] <Rob_M0DTS> no, above apex
[14:22] <fsphil_2I0VIM> that could be the brum launch
[14:22] <LazyL-M0LEP> That'll be the Brum one we don't know anything much about perhaps?
[14:22] <Rob_M0DTS> aha
[14:22] <fsphil_2I0VIM> it's dead, they're trying to direction find it
[14:23] <Rob_M0DTS> yes it is, sw from here S8
[14:23] <junderwood_M0JCU> We need a Hamlib interface for the Funcube dongle. It's a pain chasing Apex across the waterfall
[14:23] <fsphil_2I0VIM> Rob_M0DTS, is it just a blank carrier?
[14:24] <Rob_M0DTS> $$M3IKN,213,,,,,,,-16.00,-32.00,,,;4047;0;0;4;0.000*22
[14:24] <fsphil_2I0VIM> oh!
[14:24] <daveake> ooer 2 more lines near APEX
[14:24] <fsphil_2I0VIM> they said they where doing 4800 baud
[14:24] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I guess that was a miscommunication
[14:24] <navrac> i cant decode ozzie anymore
[14:24] <daveake> They're about to collide
[14:24] <Rob_M0DTS> 50db 7,n,1
[14:24] <Rob_M0DTS> bd even!
[14:25] <navrac> can anyone else decode it - I can hear it but its decoding rubbish
[14:25] <fsphil_2I0VIM> http://www.wythallradioclub.co.uk/2011/meteorological-balloon-flight/
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[14:25] <fsphil_2I0VIM> 20mw
[14:25] <Rob_M0DTS> hmm
[14:25] <junderwood_M0JCU> Ozzie is fine from here.
[14:25] <cuddykid> got crystal clear bham uni signal on LSB
[14:25] <jgrahamc> Aren't we limited to 10mW?
[14:26] <junderwood_M0JCU> 10 mW erp
[14:26] <fsphil_2I0VIM> yea, you can use 20mw if the antenna has low gain
[14:26] <fsphil_2I0VIM> what dial frequency cuddykid?
[14:26] <fsphil_2I0VIM> and what shift
[14:26] <navrac> t5hanks junderwood_M0JCU
[14:26] <F5MVO> OZZIE1 freq 434.200 ?
[14:26] <cuddykid> fsphil - 300, on .652
[14:27] <navrac> i got a paacket!
[14:27] <cuddykid> 350 rater
[14:27] <junderwood_M0JCU> Dial is still 434.200
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[14:27] <junderwood_M0JCU> for Ozzie
[14:27] <fsphil_2I0VIM> 434.652 LSB?
[14:27] <Darkside> schofieldau: well the module sends ouy data
[14:27] <Rob_M0DTS> usb here no reverse
[14:27] <Darkside> havent checked if it gets locked yet
[14:27] <gonzo_> USB
[14:27] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I don't see it at all
[14:27] <junderwood_M0JCU> I had to widen the receive filter due to the drift at the start of each packet
[14:27] <Rob_M0DTS> .649 dial here
[14:27] <fsphil_2I0VIM> the altitude must be quite low
[14:28] <navrac> yep sorry about the drift - i should have used a seperate tx and rx
[14:28] <futurity> Hi is squirrel still up?
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[14:28] <cuddykid> fsphil: yep
[14:28] <Rob_M0DTS> maybe a 4 digit number is increasing, currently 4275m maybe?
[14:28] <cuddykid> Rob_M0DTS: have you number of bits/stop bits?
[14:28] <daveake> http://imgur.com/OZJSB That's the Brum signal on the left and Apex on the right
[14:28] <Rob_M0DTS> 7,n,1
[14:29] <junderwood_M0JCU> 7n2
[14:29] <fsphil_2I0VIM> oh man
[14:29] <junderwood_M0JCU> (but 7n1 should work(
[14:29] <fsphil_2I0VIM> stop bits don't matter to fldigi
[14:29] <junderwood_M0JCU> Definitely USB / Rv from here.
[14:30] <fsphil_2I0VIM> no trace of apex or brum
[14:30] <Rob_M0DTS> yes sri it is reverse on usb, was looking on wrong fldigi window!
[14:30] <F5MVO> someone confirm the Ozzie1 frequency please ?
[14:30] <number10_M0MDB> 434.199
[14:30] <F5MVO> ok
[14:30] <Colin-G8TMV> I'm still getting solid apex decodes
[14:30] <navrac> sorry the reverse was me testing different methods of modulating and put the up and down in backwards so i just tun e the other side
[14:31] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I'll keep an ear out
[14:31] <cuddykid> ergh my sound card is ****ed
[14:31] <gonzo_> lost apex now
[14:31] <navrac> im tempted to take my scanner and laptop to somenwere high and see if i can restablish comms
[14:32] <Darkside> do eeeeet
[14:32] <fsphil_2I0VIM> hah
[14:33] <navrac> wifes out in the car.... and ive no idea where the inverter is. I'll do another flight in a couple of weeks from somewhere higher
[14:33] <fsphil_2I0VIM> brum's ascent rate must be very low
[14:33] <Darkside> can anyone decode anything from the brum launch?
[14:33] <LazyL-M0LEP> So WOMBAT thinks it's back on the ground, Nexus never left, and APEX is falling gently...
[14:33] <cuddykid> I can hear it very clear - but sound card is messed up - restarting now
[14:34] <GW8RAK> Which balloon is on 434.648 and callsign M3IKN?
[14:34] <navrac> and ozzie is just floating along
[14:34] <fsphil_2I0VIM> GW8RAK, the brum uni launch
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[14:34] <GW8RAK> Thanks, strong sigs here
[14:34] <Darkside> GW8RAK: are you decoding anything ferom it?
[14:34] <Darkside> can you paste some data?
[14:34] <Rob_M0DTS> $$M3IKN,244,,,,,,,-22.00,-26.00,,,;4636;0;0;1;0.000*27
[14:34] <Darkside> because apparently their gps died, and they're tryin gto DF it
[14:34] <junderwood_M0JCU> Lost Apex. I hope nothing is on final approach to North Weald
[14:34] <daveake> I'm getting some but not a complete sentence yet
[14:34] <GW8RAK> $$M3IKN,244,,,,,,,-22.00,-26.00,,,;4636;0;0;1;0.000*27
[14:35] <Darkside> so yeah, if you do have DF capability, maybe go help them out
[14:35] <daveake> $$M3IKN,242,,,,,,,-22.00,-25.00,,,;4598;0;0{1;0.000*25
[14:35] <Colin-G8TMV> just lost apex too
[14:35] <GW8RAK> Don't have a 70cm beam up
[14:35] <Upu> whats that uni balloon on ?
[14:35] <Upu> I have something doing 50 RTTY @ 434.648
[14:35] <GW8RAK> 434.648
[14:35] <jgrahamc> Apex appears to have made a heroic last minute attempt to miss a line of trees :-)
[14:35] <GW8RAK> Audio at 1KHz
[14:36] <daveake> Try 434.649
[14:36] <Lunar_Lander> xD jgrahamc
[14:36] <fsphil_2I0VIM> 434.648 + 1000hz ... there are some lines there on my waterfall
[14:36] <fsphil_2I0VIM> but they're not drifty
[14:36] <Upu> bits ?
[14:36] <daveake> 50 7 n 1
[14:36] <GW8RAK> Do we have any data about max alt or last location for the Brumuni balloon?
[14:37] <Upu> are we uploading ?
[14:37] <daveake> Shift is about 370
[14:37] <Upu> I have it
[14:37] <Rob_M0DTS> break in tx there
[14:37] <Darkside> GW8RAK: you don't need a yagi up, a handheld yagi outside would be useful
[14:37] <daveake> yeah it does that
[14:37] <Rob_M0DTS> aha
[14:37] <Darkside> Upu: the Brum launch is the one they launched without telling anyone, and used the same frequency as apex
[14:37] <Upu> $$M3IKN,1,,,,,,,-9.00,-29.00,,,;19;0;0;2;0.000*1E
[14:37] <GW8RAK> Can't handhold by 21 ele Tonna unfortunately
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[14:37] <Darkside> and their gps has failed
[14:37] <fsphil_2I0VIM> okie definitely no signal from M3IKN here
[14:37] <GW8RAK> Need to get a small 70cm beam
[14:37] <Darkside> and they're apparently out tryin gto DF it
[14:37] <Upu> and their flight computer too
[14:38] <fsphil_2I0VIM> their altitude must be below 20km
[14:38] <Upu> just restarted ?
[14:38] <Darkside> lol
[14:38] <Darkside> fail...
[14:38] <daveake> Trace gone very very faint here
[14:38] <Upu> Ozzie still up ?
[14:39] <Rob_M0DTS> it's very srong here but it's a very clear path from here
[14:39] <number10_M0MDB> yep
[14:39] <cuddykid> hopefully my sound card bug should be fixed
[14:39] <Upu> nice
[14:39] <Cillian> recovered nova20!
[14:39] <Upu> bit out og my range though
[14:39] <Upu> yay :)
[14:39] <fsphil_2I0VIM> woo-hoo!
[14:39] <fsphil_2I0VIM> that was quick
[14:39] <Colin-G8TMV> How did they manage that
[14:40] <LazyL-M0LEP> Cillian: Found via some backup position?
[14:40] <Cillian> squjrrel gsm worked
[14:40] <Cillian> and wbat eventually worked
[14:40] <Cillian> wombat
[14:40] <LazyL-M0LEP> Yay for squirrels then ;)
[14:40] <cuddykid> gone rather faint here too
[14:40] <Upu> wow
[14:41] <fsphil_2I0VIM> nada thing there
[14:41] <Upu> epic local QRM
[14:41] <Rob_M0DTS> yeah i hear em too
[14:41] <cuddykid> $$M3IKN,13,,,,,,,-13.00,-48.00,,,;247;0;0;4;0.000*2E
[14:41] <fsphil_2I0VIM> 13?
[14:41] <cuddykid> decoding fine now
[14:41] <fsphil_2I0VIM> haha
[14:41] <cuddykid> lol
[14:41] <daveake> I'm over to Ozzie.
[14:42] <daveake> Could do with a longer preamble IMO
[14:42] <Upu> is that wideband transmission from this uni launch ?
[14:42] <Darkside> Upu: no
[14:42] <Darkside> the uni launch is 50 baud rtty
[14:42] <Upu> wierd
[14:42] <cuddykid> something odd though...
[14:42] <cuddykid> $$M is getting missed off every string
[14:42] <Upu> its RV too
[14:42] <Upu> anyone got a FAILOCOPTER ASCII ?
[14:43] <daveake> :D
[14:43] <cuddykid> 3IKN,18,,,,,,,-15.00,-50.00,,,;342;0;0;4;0.000*2E
[14:43] <cuddykid> thats what I'm getting
[14:43] <Upu> its like Ava but with 200% more broken things
[14:43] <cuddykid> lol
[14:43] <fsphil_2I0VIM> lol
[14:43] <Darkside> heh
[14:43] <Darkside> yeah its pretty broke
[14:43] <Upu> decoding it fine though
[14:43] <Darkside> hmm
[14:43] <cuddykid> altitude is decreasing
[14:43] <navrac> yep - i extended the receive time this morning to make it easier to upload to - but didnt increase the blank carrier time to suit
[14:43] <Darkside> you know, looking at their data
[14:43] <Darkside> i think their gps has lost lock
[14:43] <GW8RAK> STrong signal here, S8
[14:43] <Upu> would concur
[14:43] <Darkside> so they used a gps that cant go over 18km
[14:44] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I doubt it's over 18km or I'd hear them
[14:44] <Darkside> i wonder what the -15 and -50 values are
[14:44] <Darkside> hh nvm, temperature
[14:44] <Upu> anyone from the uni here ?
[14:44] <Darkside> going from -50 outside, maybe 10-15km altitude?
[14:44] <Darkside> Upu: they dropped in briefly to say their payload had died
[14:44] <fsphil_2I0VIM> that sounds about right
[14:44] <Darkside> then left almost immediately
[14:44] <Darkside> they left a phone number though
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[14:45] <Upu> ok well lets see if it comes back alive
[14:45] <Upu> its pretty faint
[14:45] <Lunar_Lander> is Wombat down again?
[14:45] <Darkside> mm it might gain lock when it descends
[14:45] <Upu> should be able to "hear" the burst
[14:45] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[14:45] <Matt_soton> i tihnk their fail is the same as the dec. astra launch
[14:45] <Matt_soton> very faint signal and no GPS :P
[14:45] <Lunar_Lander> does it have a non-altitude GPS?
[14:46] <Upu> whats the number at the end which keeps incrementing ?
[14:46] <LazyL-M0LEP> <Uni_> my number is 07989193842, if you find it please give me a text!
[14:46] <cuddykid> I'm in text contact with them
[14:46] <Darkside> pff
[14:46] <Darkside> they want people to go hunt it...
[14:46] <Darkside> cuddykid: anything interesting?
[14:46] <LazyL-M0LEP> That wat their parting remark...
[14:46] <Upu> cuddykid ask them what radio is on it, what the last know altitude was, what balloon it is
[14:46] <number10_M0MDB> you new setup seems to be doing well daveake
[14:46] <number10_M0MDB> +r
[14:46] <Matt_soton> and what batteries are in there
[14:46] <daveake> Yeah, pleased with it :-).
[14:47] <Upu> where was the last known location of that Uni one ?
[14:47] <daveake> Issue I'm having with Ozzie is that it often misses the "$"s
[14:47] <daveake> Upu on the ground
[14:47] <number10_M0MDB> I dont think they said Upu
[14:47] <Upu> haha
[14:47] <navrac> widen the filter and set afc dave - it sorts it out
[14:47] <Upu> nest launch evar
[14:47] <daveake> Their live map didn't show anything
[14:47] <Upu> best
[14:47] <daveake> navrac ta
[14:48] <daveake> Been changing afc
[14:48] <futurity> Was it Wombat and Squirrel that were launched as one payload?
[14:48] <Matt_soton> futurity: yea
[14:48] <Upu> well if we know where it was launched from, the neck lift and balloon we should get some idea of where its going
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[14:48] <griffonbot> @apexhab: Apex III B successfully retrieved! #apexhab #ukhas http://t.co/85GXLGOR [http://twitter.com/apexhab/status/178854999772774404]
[14:48] <Upu> lovely
[14:49] <futurity> Any news on the Wombat/Squirrel payloads, any idea where they landed?
[14:49] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I'm hearing rtty in the noise again. I think I've listened to enough static today :)
[14:49] <Darkside> futurity: look at the wombat location
[14:49] <Upu> look at Ozzie!
[14:49] <Darkside> thats the landing location
[14:50] <futurity> Darkside: So you retrieved it?
[14:50] <Darkside> futurity: yes, i retreived the payload
[14:50] <Matt_soton> a week and 3 days isnt bad turnaround for apex
[14:50] <Darkside> i flew over to the UK in my concorde and got the payload
[14:50] <Upu> so sarcastic Darkside
[14:50] <Upu> :)
[14:50] <Darkside> :-)
[14:50] <futurity> Darkside: Fantastic news. My sons, Adam and Sam were a bit worried due to the lack of data points
[14:51] <Darkside> futurity: i live in australia.
[14:51] <Darkside> i didn't recover the payload, the guys that launched it recovered it
[14:51] <futurity> Darkside: what with all the different IRC names, you may have been one of the many people at CUSF today ;)
[14:51] <cuddykid> can someone clarify this - as I only have an hour left to get it soldered up :) - http://pastebin.com/N4dLQ56v
[14:51] <fsphil_2I0VIM> still no trace on the waterfall
[14:51] <fsphil_2I0VIM> it might just have a crappy antenna though
[14:51] <Darkside> futurity: have i met you?
[14:51] <x-f> Ozzie is attached to a party balloon?
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[14:52] <Darkside> i remember some guy was at the launch of horus 15.5
[14:52] <Darkside> and his son i think
[14:52] <daveake> x-f Yes 36" foil
[14:52] <futurity> Darkside: I've no idea. I'm Neil, did go the the High Altitude get together in London
[14:52] <Darkside> yeah i wasnt in the UK for that
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[14:52] <navrac> yeah it is
[14:52] <Upu> any response to your text cuddykid ?
[14:52] <griffonbot> @PD3EM: trying to decode the Ozzie1 balloon but no luck yet.... http://t.co/Bddf4gZM #HAB #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/PD3EM/status/178856032271998976]
[14:52] <cuddykid> heard back from Uni people -> they think GPS wasn't plugged in lol - the - numbers in the data string are the temp values!
[14:52] <cuddykid> Upu ^
[14:53] <futurity> Darkside: I guess I don't know you then lol, but nice to meet you (virtually)
[14:53] <fsphil_2I0VIM> !!!
[14:53] <Upu> lol
[14:53] <Upu> lololol
[14:53] <cuddykid> navrac: was that a yes to my wirings?
[14:53] Action: daveake falls off chair
[14:53] <fsphil_2I0VIM> okie I have a trace on my waterfall, about 370hz
[14:53] <cuddykid> they'll be around 10 to 15km then
[14:53] <LazyL-M0LEP> Darkside: Weren't you over here last summer?
[14:53] <navrac> err sorry wirings?
[14:53] <cuddykid> with -55ish
[14:53] <cuddykid> navrac: http://pastebin.com/N4dLQ56v
[14:53] <Upu> thats it fsphil
[14:53] <x-f> impressive altitude for Ozzie
[14:53] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I can't confirm it's rtty yet, far too weak
[14:53] <Darkside> LazyL-M0LEP: yes, from july to the end of august
[14:54] <futurity> Good news that they found it though. I guess by direction finding with the aerial, or GSM?
[14:54] <LazyL-M0LEP> ISTR a certain Horus flight... ;)
[14:54] <Upu> cuddykid did they give any further information or didn't you ask for it ?
[14:54] <Elmar_PD3EM> the ozzie is to week down here....
[14:54] <navrac> ah - ill just check
[14:54] <LazyL-M0LEP> futurity: WOMBAT was recovered thanks to Squirrel GSM
[14:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> any info on the nexus, havent seen any yet?
[14:54] <cuddykid> Upu: didn't ask for all - I had sent the text before you wrote - I'll ask them to pop back on here
[14:55] <Darkside> OZ1SKY_Brian: landed, recovered
[14:55] <Upu> yeah
[14:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh ok didnt see it move :-)
[14:55] <fsphil_2I0VIM> is the brum signal slowly dropping in frequency?
[14:55] <Upu> yes it is fsphil
[14:55] <Upu> 434.648.35
[14:55] <fsphil_2I0VIM> that's it then
[14:55] <Upu> RV
[14:55] <Upu> 340 shift
[14:55] <fsphil_2I0VIM> verrrry weak
[14:55] <Upu> its not that strong here
[14:55] <Darkside> they ddnt plug in teh gps....
[14:55] <Darkside> did they not check the telemetry before launch??!?
[14:55] <navrac> nsel needs to go back to a pin on the arduino to act as chip select
[14:56] <LazyL-M0LEP> OZ1SKY_Brian: Nexus/Wombat and the Squirrel GSM were all one balloon. Not yet heard why there was no track from Nexus, nor what Wombat's problem was...
[14:56] <Upu> hey at least I plugged mine in
[14:56] <cuddykid> navrac: cheers - is that in then?
[14:56] <Randomskk> nova20 reovered
[14:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> LazyL-M0LEP ok i see, thanks.
[14:56] <Randomskk> picked up wombat signal as we drove close
[14:56] <Upu> nice one Randomskk
[14:56] <Darkside> Randomskk: i see your ADF7012 telemetry worked well
[14:56] <LazyL-M0LEP> Darkside: Enthusiastic students! What's your guess... ;)
[14:56] <Randomskk> still on 434mhz
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[14:56] <Randomskk> it landed in a big field :)
[14:56] <cuddykid> I quote -> "Gps not plugged on we think"
[14:57] <Randomskk> now debriefing in pub
[14:57] <navrac> pin10 is what i use and if you want to use the rf22 library you need arduino pin 2 to nirq on the rfm
[14:57] <Darkside> Randomskk: you need to hear about the birmingham uni guys
[14:57] <Darkside> they launched their payload with the gps unplugged
[14:57] <Darkside> on teh same frequency as the Apex payload
[14:57] <cuddykid> lol
[14:57] <navrac> here cuddykid - http://pastebin.com/QMEsLCGg
[14:57] <Randomskk> so i hear
[14:57] <Randomskk> crazy
[14:57] <Darkside> its still in the air, and they're trying to DF it
[14:57] <cuddykid> cheers navrac :D
[14:57] <Darkside> hillarious
[14:57] <Randomskk> lol
[14:58] <Laurenceb_> Randomskk: so the adf thing locked?
[14:58] <Randomskk> they could have known
[14:58] <Randomskk> Laurenceb_: I think sgnal was just v oor
[14:58] <Darkside> Randomskk: i'm assuming they didn't check their telemetry before launching
[14:58] <Randomskk> picked it up fine when I landed
[14:58] <Laurenceb_> v oor?
[14:58] <Darkside> very poor
[14:58] <Laurenceb_> VCO?
[14:58] <Laurenceb_> oh
[14:58] <Upu> their flight computer restarted again
[14:58] <Randomskk> like hard to pick up
[14:58] <GW8RAK> Well I've been out in the garden with the tonna and have a bearing of 150 degrees from this QTH
[14:58] <Laurenceb_> so its was flown without pll locking properly?
[14:58] <Randomskk> not sure what's wrong exactly
[14:59] <fsphil_2I0VIM> burst?
[14:59] <Randomskk> Laurenceb_: wel it locked
[14:59] <Upu> don't think so
[14:59] <fsphil_2I0VIM> went all wobbly on my waterfall for a second
[14:59] <Randomskk> it think it ocked
[14:59] <Upu> it restarted before
[14:59] <Randomskk> and i could rx on gnd and when we got near in car
[14:59] <Laurenceb_> odd
[14:59] <Laurenceb_> well done tho
[14:59] <navrac> biab
[14:59] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I wonder if it's restarting every time the payload is hit by wind
[14:59] <Laurenceb_> what was max range on the ozzie1 uplink?
[14:59] <fsphil_2I0VIM> drop in frequency is accelerating
[14:59] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: 45km
[15:00] <Laurenceb_> nice
[15:00] <Darkside> with a small packet
[15:00] <Laurenceb_> with a yagi on the ground?
[15:00] <Darkside> but a small packet is all you need...
[15:00] <Randomskk> no
[15:00] <Randomskk> whip
[15:00] <Laurenceb_> yeah thats long enough to be usable
[15:00] <Randomskk> both times
[15:00] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: 3 element yagi i think
[15:00] <Laurenceb_> ok... with a yagi
[15:00] <Randomskk> oh
[15:00] <Randomskk> anyway bbl pub
[15:00] <Laurenceb_> but a longer yagi would be better :P
[15:00] <Darkside> yeah
[15:00] <Laurenceb_> so -87 is the noise floor?
[15:00] <Darkside> no
[15:00] <Darkside> -87 is the rssi of the last packet they got
[15:00] <Laurenceb_> i see
[15:01] <Laurenceb_> but they didnt get any after that
[15:01] <fsphil_2I0VIM> confirmed, it's rtty -- getting bits of text
[15:01] <Laurenceb_> fsphil: from birmingham?
[15:01] <fsphil_2I0VIM> yea
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[15:01] <Laurenceb_> so safe to say its something like -90
[15:01] <Upu> drifting down
[15:01] <fsphil_2I0VIM> Upu, it's been getting faster
[15:01] <Laurenceb_> having said that, it had london in rnage
[15:01] <Upu> yep
[15:01] <Colin-G8TMV> right - a good fun day - I'm off to do other stuff
[15:01] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: nah, that was just the last packet he sent before the balloon went behind a local obstruction
[15:01] <Laurenceb_> so there would be tons of noise
[15:01] <Laurenceb_> oh
[15:02] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: if he had the antena on his roof he would have been able to do more
[15:02] <Laurenceb_> crazy
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[15:02] <fsphil_2I0VIM> could their batteries be running out?
[15:02] <Darkside> like, i'm thinking that this should work well for us in australia
[15:02] <Laurenceb_> if you think it could see all of london at that point
[15:02] <Darkside> as long as it doesnt drift too bad
[15:02] <Matt_soton> fsphil_2I0VIM: their batteries could be normal ones (not lithuim)?
[15:02] <fsphil_2I0VIM> aah!
[15:02] <Upu> M3IKN,13,,,,,,,-30.00,-56.00,,,;247;6;0;1;0.000*23
[15:02] <Laurenceb_> theres lots of ways to improve si4432 performance
[15:02] <Darkside> cuddykid: ask them what batteries they are using, if you havent already
[15:02] <Laurenceb_> not sure how many they used
[15:02] <fsphil_2I0VIM> the drop in frequency is audible now
[15:02] <Laurenceb_> e.g., really simple
[15:02] <Laurenceb_> drive it off a tcxo
[15:03] <Matt_soton> so not enough gps power and not enough power to hte radio?
[15:03] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: i want to put a helical filter in front of it
[15:03] <Laurenceb_> or a saw
[15:03] <Darkside> SAW limits the range too much
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[15:03] <Laurenceb_> put a RFMD lna on the front
[15:03] <Darkside> we're planning on running out uplink at 430.5MHz or thereabout
[15:03] <Darkside> our*
[15:03] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: that doesnt help the IIP3 problem
[15:04] <Laurenceb_> oh
[15:04] <Darkside> the IIP3 on that chip is something like -20dBm, i.e. really shit
[15:04] <Laurenceb_> si4432?
[15:04] <Darkside> yes
[15:04] <Laurenceb_> wait.. i forget whats iip3?
[15:04] <fsphil_2I0VIM> frequency drop seems to have slowed
[15:04] <Laurenceb_> intermodulation?
[15:04] <fsphil_2I0VIM> no, going again
[15:04] <Darkside> third order intercept point
[15:04] <Darkside> yes, related to intermodulation distortion
[15:05] <Laurenceb_> whys it in dBm?
[15:05] <Darkside> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IIP3
[15:06] <Darkside> anyway, we think we may still be able to use the RFM22B anyway
[15:06] <fsphil_2I0VIM> signal is fading a bit here
[15:06] <Darkside> but we need to be very careful about what else we fly
[15:06] <Randomskk> found issue on squirrel/nexus
[15:06] <Darkside> for example, the main telemetry payload may deafen it
[15:06] <Randomskk> connection to ntx2 broke
[15:07] <Randomskk> no further clue on wombat
[15:07] <Randomskk> I disikek the adf7012
[15:07] <Laurenceb_> wait
[15:08] <Laurenceb_> you are talking about running a tx whilst the si4432 receives?
[15:08] <junderwood_M0JCU> Brum payload looks like about 280 deg from here but difficult to DF with a FCD
[15:08] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: the cutdown is a separate payload, well above the telemetry and the other payloads
[15:08] <Laurenceb_> hmm ok i see now why thats an issue
[15:08] <cuddykid> daveake: when hooking your rfm22b up to arduino pro mini, which pin did you hook NIRQ to?
[15:08] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: but it will be receiving at 430.5MHz, while the telemetry will be on 434.650MHz, and quite a few wavelengths away
[15:08] <Laurenceb_> but if it wasnt then id use an lna and saw on the rx path
[15:08] <Laurenceb_> and a tcxo
[15:09] <Darkside> also the ground plane on the telemetry payload should shield us a bit
[15:09] <Laurenceb_> for epic performance :P
[15:09] <Darkside> well a SAW isnt usable for us
[15:09] <Darkside> as we arent using it on the ISM band
[15:09] <Laurenceb_> the inbuilt "lna" has a noise figure of 4dB
[15:09] <fsphil_2I0VIM> now on 434.645
[15:09] <fsphil_2I0VIM> USB
[15:09] <Laurenceb_> and rfmd have ones with 0.2dB
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: The L is for large.
[15:09] <Laurenceb_> - i have a reel XD
[15:09] <Elmar_PD3EM> $ OZZIA1,442,15:9:06,51V4v64-+.6567,5751,14,29,2.8V5,71-*E7AF
[15:10] <cuddykid> heard back from uni people - they're going to pop on here when they get a chance
[15:10] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: the thing needs to transmit too
[15:10] <Darkside> you'd have to switch out the LNA
[15:10] <Laurenceb_> use another chip :P
[15:10] <cuddykid> apparently they're in the "heat of the chase" - not sure where they would be heading?!
[15:10] <daveake> cuddykid You don't have a choice if you use the full library - has to go to dig 2. If you're only using the code in jcoxon's library you don't need the IRQ
[15:10] <Laurenceb_> yeah otherwise you need the lna the other side of the switch
[15:10] <Darkside> but yeah, i'm thinking a LNA isnt a good idea with that receiver
[15:10] <Darkside> not with its IIP3 figure
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[15:10] <Laurenceb_> and so you see the switch noise
[15:10] <Darkside> all it'll take is some harmonic from something lower in freuqency to kill it
[15:11] <cuddykid> daveake: ahh ok - my pin 2 is taken up for GPS power like yours - hmm - could it go to dig 3 as that pin can do interrupts too?
[15:11] <Darkside> but again, this all requires experimentation
[15:11] <Darkside> i need to get these damn cutdown pcbs manufactured
[15:11] <Laurenceb_> Darkside: wont a saw filter clear that up
[15:11] <Darkside> so i can test this
[15:11] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: maybe
[15:11] <Laurenceb_> as lower frequency stuff wont get in
[15:11] <daveake> navrac you going for a pico altitude record? ;)
[15:11] <Darkside> its the harmonics that are the problem, but anyway
[15:11] <Darkside> testing
[15:11] <Upu> looking good that one
[15:11] <Darkside> lots of testing to be done
[15:11] <Laurenceb_> Digikey have some ism band saw filters
[15:12] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: i have a few here
[15:12] <Upu> hopefully those french stations will be able to pick it up soon
[15:12] <Darkside> from element14/farnell
[15:12] <Upu> oh one already is
[15:12] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: anyway, navracs experiment has shown that an uplink is possible using this module
[15:12] <Laurenceb_> but yeah it looks like much more than 45km range is possible
[15:12] <fsphil_2I0VIM> this could be the longest tracked pico flight yet
[15:12] <Laurenceb_> with custom si4432 boards
[15:12] <Darkside> yeah, that was with 100mW transmit, which is pretty cool
[15:12] <daveake> Great stuff
[15:12] <Darkside> i'm thinking a RFM22B into an amplifier could do good
[15:12] <Laurenceb_> mouser sell the si4432
[15:13] <Laurenceb_> make a custom board
[15:13] <Upu> Ozzie is toastie warm too
[15:13] <Upu> lets see if this uni computer restarts again at telemetry line 64
[15:13] <daveake> Oh no you mentioned toast ....
[15:13] <fsphil_2I0VIM> would you like some toast?
[15:14] <daveake> butter not
[15:14] <Darkside> how about a muffin
[15:14] <Upu> fsphil straight into Red Dwarf
[15:14] <number10_M0MDB> crumbs the jokes are getting worse
[15:14] <Darkside> fsphil_2I0VIM: i toast, therefore i am
[15:14] <fsphil_2I0VIM> classic
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[15:15] <fsphil_2I0VIM> frequency drop on brum appears to have settled
[15:15] <Upu> whats their temp sensors reading in ? -71 ?
[15:15] <Upu> concur
[15:15] <priyesh> apex iii recovered - we have some great videos and photos
[15:15] <fsphil_2I0VIM> bit more text decoding now
[15:15] <fsphil_2I0VIM> congrats!
[15:15] <fsphil_2I0VIM> that was quick too
[15:15] <daveake> good job
[15:16] <Elmar_PD3EM> great priyesh !!
[15:16] <number10_M0MDB> well done
[15:16] <Upu> oh
[15:16] <Upu> well come
[15:16] <Upu> done
[15:16] Nick change: Upu -> Upu_2E0UPU
[15:16] <Upu_2E0UPU> almost forgot
[15:16] <Darkside> Upu: i've seen temps of -85degC on a properly calibrated radiosonde
[15:16] <Upu_2E0UPU> oh ok
[15:16] <Darkside> in the tropopause
[15:17] <priyesh> recovered about 20 minutes ago
[15:17] <Darkside> the problem we have is these bloody DS18B20s don't go below -50
[15:17] <Darkside> well, -55
[15:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> what alititude is that without me googling it ?
[15:17] <priyesh> we have a video of london with the thames and the isle of dogs!
[15:17] <Darkside> around 12km
[15:17] <fsphil_2I0VIM> this is well above 12km
[15:17] <number10_M0MDB> will you put them up for us to see, later priyesh
[15:17] <Adam_> Is there anything I could replace the DS18B20 with which would go below -50C?
[15:17] <cuddykid> am I correct in thinking that the SCK/MOSI etc pins can be soldered to the radio and still be used by ISP programmer?
[15:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> yes cuddykid
[15:18] <Darkside> hrmm
[15:18] <cuddykid> cheers Upu
[15:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> but
[15:18] <Darkside> does the chip select need to be pulled down?
[15:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> I wouldn't
[15:18] <Darkside> or does it have an internal pulldown
[15:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> Think they all have internal pull downs ?
[15:18] <priyesh> yes - they'll be on the apex gallery when i get home
[15:18] <number10_M0MDB> cool
[15:19] <cuddykid> I got down to -63 with the DS18B20s - seemed to be a fine (obeyed the "trend")
[15:19] <Darkside> hmm
[15:19] <fsphil_2I0VIM> shift is now 300hz
[15:19] <Darkside> i need to add a pulldown resistor to my cutdown pcb...
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[15:19] <Adam_> Maybe there is a variation from unit to unit and some work lower than others?
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[15:20] <cuddykid> Upu_2E0UPU: I don't think I have a choice, I need the rfm connected up to pro but I also need to be able to program it :/
[15:21] <fsphil_2I0VIM> well, 310hz .. and the frequency is increasing
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[15:21] <Darkside> cuddykid: i think if NSEL is tied to deselected, it should be ok
[15:21] <cuddykid> NSEL is connected to SS Darkside
[15:22] <Darkside> PB2?
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[15:24] <Darkside> hrmm
[15:24] <Darkside> is nSEL active high or low..
[15:24] <cuddykid> PB2? NSEL (rfm) -> SS (pro mini)
[15:25] <Darkside> interesting, its active low
[15:25] <Darkside> so maybe it should be pulled up
[15:25] <Darkside> ugh
[15:25] <cuddykid> oh :/
[15:25] <Darkside> well im not sure
[15:25] <Darkside> which is the problem
[15:25] <cuddykid> it looks like high in the data sheet
[15:25] <Darkside> i'm not sure whats going to happen to that SS pin when an AVRISP programs the chip
[15:25] <cuddykid> it's got nSEL 1 blah blah
[15:26] <Darkside> if it goes low, then the RFM22B will think the data is for it
[15:26] <Laurenceb_> id add a pullup
[15:26] <Laurenceb_> you using the adruino libs?
[15:26] <cuddykid> Laurenceb_: what sort of size?
[15:26] <Laurenceb_> it has some cool meshnetworking
[15:26] <cuddykid> Laurenceb_: I will be yep
[15:26] <Laurenceb_> 10k
[15:26] <cuddykid> cheers
[15:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> whats the dial for Ozzie ?
[15:27] <daveake> 434.201
[15:27] <cuddykid> so Laurenceb_: pin 10 -> 10k -> nSEL?
[15:27] <daveake> Well min is .209.6 but mine is out :(
[15:27] <daveake> +e
[15:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> unsurprisingly nothing
[15:28] <griffonbot> @cuspaceflight: Nova 20 recovered near Bishop Stortford #cusf #ukhas [http://twitter.com/cuspaceflight/status/178864967334899712]
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[15:28] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: ok, added a pullup resistor on mine
[15:28] <Darkside> pulling up the SS pin to 3.3v
[15:29] <DanielRichman> so um... that certainly isn't sea level that ozzie is floating at
[15:29] <daveake> Ozzie high on helium
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[15:30] <DanielRichman> ah right I see, I didn't realise it wasn't a latex balloon launch
[15:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> party balloon
[15:30] <DanielRichman> cool
[15:30] <daveake> 36" foil
[15:30] <number10_M0MDB> would be good if it made it to france
[15:30] <Laurenceb_> im using si4432 on dactyl with the arduino lib ported to stm32
[15:31] <Adam_> Tracker seems to be working well for Ozzie1
[15:31] <Laurenceb_> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SI4432-433M-wireless-transceiver-module-Distance-1500M-/170710227241
[15:31] <Laurenceb_> i also have some of them
[15:31] <G6SWJ> Hi - can anyone point me in the direction of some arduino code to test my gps
[15:31] <Lunar_Lander> G6SWJ: do you have the TinyGPS library?
[15:32] <cuddykid> oh right, so Darkside: nSEL -> SS -> 10k -> 3v3?
[15:32] <G6SWJ> Yes but I am new to this so kow less than nothing!
[15:32] <G6SWJ> tha should read know
[15:32] <Darkside> goddamn i should head to bed
[15:32] <Darkside> 2am
[15:33] <number10_M0MDB> nn Darkside
[15:33] <Lunar_Lander> G6SWJ: in the library folder is the "examples" folder
[15:33] <Lunar_Lander> can you see it?
[15:33] <LazyL-M0LEP> G'night Darkside
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[15:33] <Laurenceb_> http://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Silicon-Labs/Si4432-B1-FM/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtDT69Hefc2iZnt%2fb%2fuKXDk
[15:34] <G6SWJ> yup got examples folder
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[15:39] <G6SWJ> ran TinyGPS test with gps device - no errors but screen no live data - any pointers?
[15:39] <Lunar_Lander> ah do you see the 4800 baud in the program?
[15:39] <Lunar_Lander> try to change to 9600
[15:40] <G6SWJ> yup - i'll give it a go thanks..
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[15:41] <griffonbot> @apexhab: Apex III recovered! Sneak peak of one of the photos #apexhab #ukhas http://t.co/qb9uiJmI [http://twitter.com/apexhab/status/178868222483898368]
[15:41] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: The daffodil says, Do not tarry, White Star! Only the coldest of nights can take you where you want to be. #UKHAS http://t.co/DuyRiKPt [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/178868355183280128]
[15:43] <Lunar_Lander> ?!
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[15:43] <UniOfBham> Hi guys
[15:44] <Laurenceb_> hi
[15:44] <Laurenceb_> gps unplugged?
[15:45] <UniOfBham> We launch a balloon a couple of hours ago. We have a car chasing the balloon and apparently there are of few guys on here helping a track it... :)
[15:46] <UniOfBham> Yep :)
[15:46] <UniOfBham> Unfortunately
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[15:46] <jcoxon> back
[15:46] <NigeyS> what happened to wombat, early burst ?
[15:47] <UniOfBham> Hi
[15:47] <cuddykid> UniOfBham: so you don't have any GPS location at all for any of the flight?
[15:47] <cuddykid> ping Upu
[15:47] <jcoxon> so whats been happening
[15:48] <UniOfBham> No. We're relying on a radar signal...
[15:48] <NigeyS> jcoxon, thats what im trying to find out, only just back myself lol
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[15:48] <number10_M0MDB> well ozzie is still up
[15:49] <NigeyS> did squirrel fly at all ?
[15:49] <cuddykid> radar signal? Do you have a radar with you?
[15:49] <Adam_> Wombat/Nova20/Squirrel stopped transmitting, Apex had a good flight and Ozzie is still airbourne and making for France
[15:49] <jcoxon> so ozzie has floated
[15:49] <jcoxon> hooray
[15:49] <jcoxon> and how was the uplink?
[15:49] <daveake> yep Great flight
[15:49] <NigeyS> 0.2m/s
[15:49] <Adam_> Nova 20 et al and Apex were recovered
[15:50] <NigeyS> Adam_, thank you for that :-)
[15:50] <daveake> Worked up to 45km I think
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[15:50] <UniOfBham> We launched the balloon with the intention to track it using GPS, but the gps module doesn't seem to be working. A car with a couple are chasing it and we are just sitting in the field we launches in. They've asked us to talk to you guys about it. We're therefore stuck using radar
[15:50] <Adam_> Would Ozzie's tracker work at high altitude >60000ft?
[15:51] <jcoxon> Adam_, its got a ublox so it can, but not by default
[15:51] <cuddykid> what balloon was it UniOfBham? make and size
[15:51] <Elmar_PD3EM> Ozzie1 is going strait towards F6AGV and F5APQ
[15:51] <Adam_> What has to be done to the ublox to get them working over 60000ft?
[15:51] <NigeyS> jcoxon, bit worried ozzies battery .. 2.9v :|
[15:51] <jcoxon> NigeyS, step up
[15:51] <jcoxon> don't worry
[15:51] <Darkside> NigeyS: it has a boost converter
[15:51] <NigeyS> aha
[15:51] <number10_M0MDB> UniOfBham: two people here got a rough bearing on it
[15:51] <jcoxon> excellent flight though
[15:52] <NigeyS> yup, looks to be going well :D
[15:52] <jcoxon> ping navrac
[15:52] <NigeyS> Darkside, it must be daft oclock there? :o
[15:52] <Darkside> 2:22am
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[15:52] <Darkside> im about to go to sleep
[15:52] <junderwood_M0JCU> Adam_, put it into Airborne mode.There's some code on the Wiki
[15:52] <NigeyS> lol blimey
[15:52] <UniOfBham> Um, not sure because the guy who bought it is in the car. If its essential then I can ring him. It's got a maximum radius of 12 feet. Was about 1.5 m on launch
[15:53] <Adam_> @junderwood_M0JCU Thanks!
[15:53] <daveake> Do you have a payload weight and neck lift? Do you have a flight prediction?
[15:54] <UniOfBham> Our flight is : M3IKN
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[15:54] <UniOfBham> Freq: 434.650 MHz
[15:54] <UniOfBham> LSB
[15:54] <number10_M0MDB> UniOfBham: bearing of 150 degrees from north wales holywell
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[15:55] <daveake> Yes, we know, but that's not helpful right now.
[15:55] <daveake> Do you know what the payload weighed? Did you measure the lift of the balloon?
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[15:56] <jon_M0JSN> Hi all
[15:56] <NigeyS> hey jon
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[15:56] <priyesh> hey jon_M0JSN
[15:56] <griffonbot> @steamfire: What are we going to do today, makers? The same thing we do every Sunday- TRY TO FLY ACROSS THE WORLD! Mo workin on @LVL1WhiteStar #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/steamfire/status/178872041854865410]
[15:56] Nick change: ok -> Guest77448
[15:56] <jon_M0JSN> How's it going prices?
[15:56] <jon_M0JSN> Sorry auto correct
[15:57] <jon_M0JSN> Priyesh
[15:57] <jon_M0JSN> On your way home?
[15:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> back cuddykid
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[15:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> sorry was just finishing the antenna off
[15:57] <priyesh> jon_M0JSN: yep. on the way to sutton
[15:57] <Lunar_Lander> wb Upu_2E0UPU
[15:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> thx
[15:57] <priyesh> photos and video look good
[15:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> still receiving M3IKN
[15:58] <jon_M0JSN> Priyesh: cool, congrats on recovery
[15:58] <UniOfBham> We didn't weigh the payload. It was probably about 1.2kg
[15:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> oh UniOfBham
[15:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> hello
[15:58] <priyesh> got a photo of vapour trails right next to the payload against the blackness of space
[15:58] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[15:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> UniOfBham what balloon was it ?
[15:58] <jon_M0JSN> So did we
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[15:58] <priyesh> also one of london with thames and isle of dogs
[15:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> still receiving it fine here in West Yorkshire
[15:59] <jon_M0JSN> And a really nice downwards one of Cambridge
[15:59] <priyesh> jon_M0JSN: any photos of apex?
[15:59] <jon_M0JSN> I don't think so
[15:59] <Laurenceb_> what sort of battery has ozzie1 got?
[15:59] <jon_M0JSN> We haven't finished looking through yet
[15:59] <Upu_2E0UPU> look at Ozzie :)
[15:59] <priyesh> okay
[16:00] <jon_M0JSN> Squirrels radio was properly broken
[16:00] <Adam_> Go Ozzie! Halfway across the channel!
[16:00] <jon_M0JSN> Hence its radio failing
[16:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> UniOfBham of you give us the balloon, estimated burst altitude, your launch location we can run a prediction
[16:00] <fsphil_2I0VIM> oooh, brum is still going
[16:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> yep
[16:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> I can hear it
[16:00] <Adam_> @jon_M0JSN What was the backup?
[16:01] <fsphil_2I0VIM> still a nice signal here
[16:01] <Upu_2E0UPU> its not RV its LSB
[16:01] <priyesh> jon_M0JSN: thats a shame
[16:01] <jon_M0JSN> Gsm tracker
[16:01] <fsphil_2I0VIM> same thing Upu_2E0UPU :)
[16:01] <futurity> Is there anyway of telling how high Wombat and Squirrel went?
[16:01] <Upu_2E0UPU> well yes
[16:01] <jon_M0JSN> We don't know what happened to wombat yet
[16:01] <fsphil_2I0VIM> $M3IKN,191,,,,,,-2>.00,-65.00,,,;3629;0;p;4;
[16:01] <fsphil_2I0VIM> 0.000*23
[16:01] <NigeyS> what freq phil ?
[16:01] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.649.24
[16:01] <Upu_2E0UPU> LSB
[16:02] <Upu_2E0UPU> 320 shift
[16:02] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I'm on 434.646 USB
[16:02] <jon_M0JSN> Futurity: about 19 km
[16:02] <Upu_2E0UPU> its still RV
[16:02] <Upu_2E0UPU> M3IKN,194,,,,,,,-26.00,-65.00,,,;3686;0;0;1;0.000*26
[16:02] <fsphil_2I0VIM> USB with RV
[16:02] <NigeyS> oo i hear it
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[16:02] <fsphil_2I0VIM> fading again
[16:02] <fsphil_2I0VIM> it must be pretty high up
[16:03] <futurity> jon_M0JSN: not so high today, but i think it was deliberately filled a bit more to go up and back down fast
[16:03] <futurity> to avoid london
[16:03] <fsphil_2I0VIM> oh hi UniOfBham
[16:04] <eroomde> nice float by ozzie1
[16:04] <eroomde> but batt looks a bit low
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[16:04] <Upu_2E0UPU> not bad for a 36" foil
[16:04] <eroomde> sorry i i'm late to the party on this, have been cooking
[16:04] <Elmar_PD3EM> ozzie's signal is getting weaker here
[16:04] <eroomde> we're having first bbq of the year tonight
[16:04] <Lunar_Lander> a speedometer would be interesting
[16:04] <Upu_2E0UPU> its got a step up on it eroomde
[16:04] <Lunar_Lander> cool eroomde!
[16:05] <eroomde> Upu_2E0UPU: that's alrighty then
[16:05] <daveake> eroomde It has a step-up. I'm guessing 2 AAAs
[16:05] <Upu_2E0UPU> ok when you get above F6AGV drop the payload navrac
[16:05] <Upu_2E0UPU> bombs away
[16:05] <daveake> I'm so slow today :p
[16:05] <Lunar_Lander> hey daveake
[16:05] <GW8RAK> Just come in from the garden and BrumUni is still quite strong here
[16:05] <daveake> "French farmer surrenders to an incoming foil balloon"
[16:05] <Upu_2E0UPU> now now daveake
[16:05] <Upu_2E0UPU> :)
[16:05] <daveake> :)
[16:05] <griffonbot> @apexhab: Anyone want to be amazing and lend #apexhab a GoPro camera to display in our payload at the competition we're attending this week? #ukhas [http://twitter.com/apexhab/status/178874409531092992]
[16:06] <eroomde> no
[16:06] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah GW8RAK its decoding fine here
[16:06] <fsphil_2I0VIM> $$M3IKN,205,,,,,-26.08.-66.p0,,;39/VvI;A@A|
[16:06] <Upu_2E0UPU> shame no data
[16:06] <fsphil_2I0VIM> choppy her
[16:06] <fsphil_2I0VIM> here
[16:06] <Upu_2E0UPU> M3IKN,205,,,,,,,-26.00,-66.00,,,;3895;0;0;4;0.000*27
[16:06] <GW8RAK> Is there any more data on it? Size weight, etc?
[16:06] <Upu_2E0UPU> burst
[16:06] <Upu_2E0UPU> I think
[16:06] <fsphil_2I0VIM> agreed
[16:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> just from the tone
[16:07] <fsphil_2I0VIM> definitely
[16:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah
[16:07] <fsphil_2I0VIM> oh yea
[16:07] <fsphil_2I0VIM> she's spinning
[16:07] <fsphil_2I0VIM> and frequency dropping like a stone
[16:07] <fsphil_2I0VIM> bombs away
[16:07] <fsphil_2I0VIM> on uniofbham has left
[16:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> sigh
[16:07] <griffonbot> @danielsaul: RT @apexhab: Anyone want to be amazing and lend #apexhab a GoPro camera to display in our payload at the competition we're attending th ... [http://twitter.com/danielsaul/status/178874915259289600]
[16:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> what was their phone number ?
[16:08] <NigeyS> whats rtty setting for it phil 8n2 ?
[16:08] <fsphil_2I0VIM> 7n1 NigeyS
[16:08] <daveake> ping cuddykid he has it
[16:08] <NigeyS> ahh k
[16:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> ping cuddykid
[16:08] <fsphil_2I0VIM> my AFC isn't fast enough
[16:09] <number10_M0MDB> Upu_2E0UPU: 07989193842
[16:09] <Upu_2E0UPU> ta
[16:09] <NigeyS> wow thats some freq shift lol
[16:09] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I can't keep up with it
[16:10] <Adam_> Its been a great Sunday and I've got a lot to consider for our first launch (some way off at the moment!). Thanks everyone!
[16:10] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ooo looking forward to it Adam_ :)
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[16:11] <fsphil_2I0VIM> oh this signal is mad
[16:11] <fsphil_2I0VIM> shift is changing too
[16:11] <NigeyS> its mental
[16:11] <fsphil_2I0VIM> how'd they manage that
[16:11] <Upu_2E0UPU> 45'
[16:11] <fsphil_2I0VIM> tuning to 434.640
[16:11] <Laurenceb_> unsheilded tx?
[16:12] Action: Upu_2E0UPU puts on Kylie Minogue Spinning Around
[16:12] <fsphil_2I0VIM> signal is getting weak
[16:12] <cuddykid> pong daveake / Upu_2E0UPU
[16:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> its sorted cuddykid
[16:12] <cuddykid> brilliant
[16:12] <cuddykid> right, I'm off - bbl
[16:13] <Upu_2E0UPU> Birmingham balloon has burst
[16:13] <Upu_2E0UPU> laters
[16:13] <Laurenceb_> this is going to be hard to find
[16:13] <fsphil_2I0VIM> tuning to 434.638
[16:13] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.641.67 LSB
[16:13] <fsphil_2I0VIM> they might manage a Tim
[16:13] <Upu_2E0UPU> but not decoding anything
[16:14] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ok it' sgone
[16:14] <fsphil_2I0VIM> gone
[16:14] <fsphil_2I0VIM> quite suddenly
[16:14] <Upu_2E0UPU> tangle ?
[16:14] <NigeyS> its gone here to
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[16:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> stil here
[16:15] <fsphil_2I0VIM> hope they remembered to attach the parachute
[16:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> but drifting about 1khz every 10 sec
[16:15] <NigeyS> yup, couldnt keep up with that lol
[16:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> getting worse
[16:15] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I've never seen one disappear so quickly
[16:15] <fsphil_2I0VIM> it must be really plummeting
[16:15] <jcoxon> ozzie is an amazing flight
[16:15] <NigeyS> never seen 1 skate across the waterfall like that !
[16:16] <fsphil_2I0VIM> yea, that's a first NigeyS
[16:16] <Upu_2E0UPU> it is getting alot worse
[16:16] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.636
[16:16] <fsphil_2I0VIM> wow
[16:16] <NigeyS> lol dam..
[16:16] <Upu_2E0UPU> 635.8
[16:17] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ah, silence. no more ssb noise
[16:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> 634
[16:17] <fsphil_2I0VIM> oh man ozzie is still going
[16:17] <fsphil_2I0VIM> and floating!
[16:17] <fsphil_2I0VIM> what a brilliant altitude graph
[16:17] <jcoxon> all about the single balloon
[16:18] <number10_M0MDB> lets hope it gets to france
[16:18] <fsphil_2I0VIM> that and the brilliant coverage of listeners we have now
[16:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> Birmingham-1 settled @ 434.634
[16:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> and the shift is now 240
[16:18] <fsphil_2I0VIM> oh it finally stopped
[16:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> going the other way now
[16:18] <jcoxon> i'm tempted to clear wombat and nexus off the map
[16:18] <jcoxon> any complaints?
[16:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> I was going to do that acutally
[16:20] <fsphil_2I0VIM> so this could float until sunset right?
[16:20] <NigeyS> -0.5 .. hope thats not a burst
[16:20] <jcoxon> fsphil_2I0VIM, it could float for a long time...
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[16:21] <jcoxon> Upu_2E0UPU, lets clear it
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[16:21] <jcoxon> just wombat and nexus
[16:21] <Upu_2E0UPU> gah ok bored of Birmingham
[16:21] <fsphil_2I0VIM> lol
[16:21] <Upu_2E0UPU> nearly back at 640
[16:21] <fsphil_2I0VIM> we need to have a talk with them :)
[16:21] <Upu_2E0UPU> indeed
[16:21] <NigeyS> gives chasing the dial a whole new meaning eh :p
[16:21] <Upu_2E0UPU> I tried to spin the tuner and keep it straigh
[16:21] <jcoxon> be kind
[16:21] <Upu_2E0UPU> managed it for 1/2 a line
[16:22] <Laurenceb_> is brum down yet?
[16:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> no
[16:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> but its drifting so badly not getting anything from it
[16:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> it just went from 434.633 to 434.640 and back again in 5 mins
[16:22] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I think they got a pretty good altitude, certainly around 30km
[16:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> shift was varying too
[16:23] <jcoxon> f5mvo is using a funcube and getting a good range
[16:23] <jcoxon> ozzie could be tracked in france a long way
[16:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> all eyes on Ozzie
[16:23] <fsphil_2I0VIM> saw that, I wonder if he's using a filter
[16:23] <jcoxon> i need a filter for my funcube
[16:23] <fsphil_2I0VIM> yea
[16:23] <jcoxon> good as useless without one
[16:23] <F5MVO> yes i use funcube
[16:24] <fsphil_2I0VIM> if you find a good one let me know jcoxon
[16:24] <jcoxon> hi F5MVO
[16:24] <F5MVO> Ozzie cross the channel !
[16:24] <NigeyS> bout 7 miles from shore!
[16:25] <Laurenceb_> what battery does ozzie run off?
[16:25] <Laurenceb_> voltage looks low?
[16:25] <NigeyS> it has a step up
[16:25] <F5MVO> the Ozzies1 frequency climb also
[16:25] <Laurenceb_> off 2x energizer?
[16:25] <NigeyS> not sure, any idea james ?
[16:26] <daveake> Seems likely
[16:26] <Laurenceb_> in that case theres plenty left
[16:26] <jcoxon> i think it is 2x
[16:26] <F5MVO> its flying under the max altitude reach
[16:26] <jcoxon> he built it for 1x but then added a second as he could
[16:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> Birmingham-1 they are still chasing east of Hereford
[16:26] <jcoxon> its a tiny pico payload
[16:26] <jcoxon> the tiniest
[16:26] <fsphil_2I0VIM> what are they chasing Upu_2E0UPU? have they a backup?
[16:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> no idea
[16:27] <NigeyS> jcoxon, he did well to keep it under 30g
[16:27] <Upu_2E0UPU> told them to let me know if they recover it
[16:27] <daveake> Backup=RADAR, he said
[16:27] <fsphil_2I0VIM> Calais, been there once
[16:27] <jcoxon> yeah i hope to get some flight details
[16:27] <Upu_2E0UPU> told them to come speak to us if possible before launch 2 :)
[16:27] Nick change: Upu_2E0UPU -> Upu
[16:28] <eroomde> mmm yes
[16:28] <NigeyS> wb Ed
[16:28] <F5MVO> i am using a vertical antenna with Funcube for the moment
[16:28] <eroomde> will give them the benefit of the doubt about ignorance
[16:28] <eroomde> but it's a bit much just launching without telling anyone when they're clearly aware of ukhas
[16:29] <number10_M0MDB> did they know about other launches when they were planning theirs?
[16:29] <jcoxon> F5MVO, do you have a filter on the funcube?
[16:29] <NigeyS> yeah, they popped in about 2/3am this morning iirc
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[16:29] <F5MVO> no filter before
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[16:30] <Upu> F6AGV you need to start looking out of the window
[16:30] <LazyL-M0LEP> Hmmm... Seem to be losing OZZIE1 now...
[16:30] <NigeyS> hah yes, it is about to literally pass over you
[16:31] <fsphil_2I0VIM> hah, yes you might be able to see it!
[16:31] <NigeyS> ok so 5.5km is how many feet? *brain dead due to paint fumes* !
[16:31] <LazyL-M0LEP> Possibly geography in the way, as it's not exactly way up high...
[16:31] <Upu> 18044.56
[16:31] <eroomde> 15000
[16:31] <eroomde> ish
[16:32] <Upu> lol
[16:32] <NigeyS> lol cheers
[16:32] <eroomde> ignore that, use upu
[16:32] <fsphil_2I0VIM> should be using meters anyway :)
[16:33] <NigeyS> :p
[16:33] <F5MVO> it try to get the Eurostart for come back !
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[16:33] <NigeyS> lol
[16:33] <NigeyS> paris for dinner, then it's coming home :p
[16:33] <daveake> :D
[16:34] <jcoxon> ping navrac
[16:34] <Upu> what if it doesn't burst ?
[16:34] <jcoxon> Upu indeed
[16:34] <jcoxon> it might not...
[16:34] <Upu> no reason for it to burst and its going to get dark soon
[16:35] <number10_M0MDB> south of france for recovery - very nice
[16:35] <NigeyS> could think of worse places for a recovery!
[16:35] <Upu> French stations you need to start making some calls and getting some people a little further south online :)
[16:35] Nick change: fsphil_2I0VIM -> fsphil-laptop
[16:35] <F5MVO> no burst because it flying under the max altitude reach ?
[16:35] <Upu> its a foil balloon F5MVO
[16:36] <jcoxon> F5MVO, yeah, the balloon is strong enough to resist it bursting
[16:36] <jcoxon> as long as it stays at this altitude
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[16:36] <Upu> I'd call that France
[16:36] <Laurenceb_> across
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[16:36] <jcoxon> France!
[16:36] <Upu> grats navrac
[16:36] <daveake> Yep!
[16:36] <NigeyS> does it have a passport?!
[16:36] <fsphil-laptop> congrats!
[16:37] <fsphil-laptop> it doesn't need one :)
[16:37] <daveake> Too heavy
[16:37] <NigeyS> lol
[16:37] <jcoxon> shall i turn off the predictor
[16:37] <NigeyS> passport prolly weight more than the payload!
[16:37] <jcoxon> its not really that relavent
[16:37] <Upu> no reason for it to be on for this
[16:38] <jcoxon> i'll turn it off
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[16:40] <NigeyS> verrrrrrry slow ground speed
[16:41] <Elmar_PD3EM> Get your camera ready for making photos of ozzie doing a fly-by F6AGV
[16:42] <danielsaul> Hello
[16:42] <NickB1> whats the dial on ozzie ?
[16:42] <NigeyS> hey danielsaul
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[16:42] <Laurenceb_> yeah should be easy to spot from the ground
[16:42] <F5MVO> have you a photo Ozzie1 launch
[16:42] <Elmar_PD3EM> I hear ozzie on 434.203.8 @ 800 Hz
[16:43] <danielsaul> The remains of this balloon stink, and I've got to keep them another week :/
[16:43] <GTaylor> A little something for all your amusement - http://youtu.be/Qig-LVW1yb4?hd=1 - SHARP testing our cutdown yesterday, didn't quite go to plan, but everything turned out fine in the end :) - for more information see our slightly skeletal website at http://projectsharp.co.uk/ or follow us on twitter @project_sharp :)
[16:44] <jcoxon> GTaylor, hehe, so well planned, payload okay?
[16:45] <daveake> lol
[16:45] <NigeyS> lol!!
[16:45] <jcoxon> GTaylor, good to see sensible testing though
[16:45] <jcoxon> cutdowns aren't easy
[16:46] <GTaylor> Yep, everything survived fine, so also valid as a structural test - only slight cosmetic damage was to the Go Pro on the bottom of it.
[16:47] <F5MVO> if not burst, what will bring it down, the time
[16:47] <jcoxon> F5MVO, it'll eventually lose helium and descend
[16:48] <F5MVO> after more miles
[16:48] <jcoxon> oh yes
[16:48] <jcoxon> F5MVO, this is all theory - its never really been done
[16:49] <F5MVO> here I track weather balloons
[16:49] <NigeyS> sondes?
[16:50] <F5MVO> yes
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[16:52] <jcoxon> F5MVO, thank you for tracking this flight!
[16:53] <F5MVO> it is a pleasure for me
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[16:58] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, ozzie1 on spacenear.us...
[16:59] <Morseman> GTaylor I like that video. ;-)
[16:59] <eroomde> yep very good!
[17:00] <NigeyS> sounded like a pyro cutdown ?
[17:00] <eroomde> yes good video
[17:01] <danielsaul> Didn't get any photos of the CUSF balloon as ours went up :(
[17:01] <eroomde> i like the catching technique, even if it was missing something in execution
[17:02] <Morseman> By steady tuning I managed to get a callsign from the 'Birmingham' flight but that was about all
[17:02] <danielsaul> When did the Birmingham flight go up?
[17:02] <NigeyS> Morseman, all i got was athritis from turning the dial to catch the mad freq changes!
[17:03] <GTaylor> Yep, based around the one on the UKHAS website with some modifications, uses 2 e matches inside a cryogenically safe tube being fired by our onboard computer. We more or less confident it would work up in the sky now (we've tested over 10 on the ground).
[17:03] <Morseman> NigeyS it did drift 'a little' didn't it!
[17:03] <NigeyS> haha just a tad!
[17:03] <Dan-K2VOL> jcoxon cool
[17:03] <fsphil-laptop> my radio needs a new tuning knob
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[17:03] <NigeyS> danielsaul, not sure, think it burst about 45mins ago though
[17:03] <F5MVO> very slow drift in frequency for Ozzie1
[17:04] <Morseman> Not heard it here on vert of beam for a while
[17:04] <danielsaul> We were lucky it didn't seem to interfere with the final apex packets
[17:04] <Morseman> of = or
[17:05] <Morseman> What version of FL-Digi has this 'nmea' switch thing in it?
[17:05] <Morseman> and is it still available to download anywhere?
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[17:06] <jcoxon> very rough suggested flight path for ozzie
[17:06] <jcoxon> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=6436da9860d72c25c63c2b2409a95982dffa0158
[17:07] <NigeyS> nice
[17:07] <NigeyS> how long you think the batteries will hold up, with the booster ?
[17:07] <Morseman> Thanks some road trip
[17:08] <Morseman> Thanks = thats
[17:08] <jcoxon> lets try on hysplit
[17:08] <jcoxon> see if the path is similar
[17:08] <jcoxon> okay
[17:08] <jcoxon> 24hrs at 5500m altitude:
[17:09] <jcoxon> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/19327_trj001.gif
[17:09] <NigeyS> its doing a loop
[17:09] <Upu> Well Daveke worked out 1 x AAA should last 6 hours conservatively on an NCP1402 with no power saving
[17:09] <NigeyS> !
[17:09] <Morseman> Why such a slow decent rate after burst?
[17:09] <navrac> uggh i'm back - had to go to eat with wife and friends and their internet was down - got back as fast as I could politely be
[17:09] <Upu> Morseman so we can fool the predictor into giving us a "float"
[17:09] <jcoxon> Morseman, its a trick
[17:10] <jcoxon> hey navrac
[17:10] <Morseman> AH
[17:10] <jcoxon> its in france
[17:10] <number10_M0MDB> well its doing well navrac
[17:10] <navrac> its got two AAA's - as it was so light i decided to double up
[17:10] <Upu> predictor assumes balloon goes up , pops and comes back down
[17:10] <jcoxon> omg
[17:10] <jcoxon> 48hrs
[17:10] <jcoxon> on hysplit
[17:10] <jcoxon> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/12328_trj001.gif
[17:10] <Upu> that would be a total Tim Zalman if that happened
[17:10] <NigeyS> lol
[17:10] <daveake> lol
[17:10] <navrac> thanks it was murder not knowing where it was. spent all the tiem trying to sort out their internet
[17:10] <fsphil-laptop> LOL
[17:10] <fsphil-laptop> please let that happen
[17:11] <Upu> navrac you would be forever known as the boomerang balloon man
[17:11] <NigeyS> is it a balloon..no.. its a boomerang!
[17:11] <navrac> well i guess it makes recovery easier.....
[17:11] <jcoxon> navrac, any chance of some details on the payload and balloon fill?
[17:11] <daveake> 2 AAAs is safer if it gets cold, because the voltage on one may get below the minimum needed for the regulator to run. I think 1 would be OK for a pico flight but not for a high flight
[17:12] <navrac> well this is where it gets confusing. I tested the float inside and it was risig at 0.6m/s. As soon as i took it outside it started ascending at 1.6m/s and then solidly stayed there till about 4k
[17:12] <F5MVO> with CUSF it is not possible to repeat a forecast with a start time anterior ?
[17:13] <daveake> Warmed up in the sun?
[17:13] <navrac> the only thing i did do was tape over the fill valve after filling incase the valve opened when the pressure got too high.
[17:13] <daveake> Outside air colder therefore denser?
[17:13] <jcoxon> perhaps temperature
[17:14] <jcoxon> also measuring ascent rate isn't easy
[17:14] <jcoxon> payload mass?
[17:14] <navrac> as for payload weight - it weighed 27g then i added anothr lithium battery in case it floated so about 35g
[17:14] <Upu> looks like a wise move
[17:14] <jcoxon> and final question - how long will it last for?
[17:15] <Upu> 10 hours conservatively
[17:15] <Upu> its more efficient with a higher input voltage I think
[17:15] <Upu> daveake can probably comment better than I can
[17:16] <navrac> ok in my tests I ran for 12 hours on two atteries until I increased tx to 100mW which killed it in a further hour. I would hazard a guess at 14-16 hours, i put the gps into powercon mode
[17:16] <navrac> the 1402 rises to pretty high efficiency with a 3v input
[17:17] <daveake> Sounds about right :p
[17:17] <daveake> Yeah, 1 cell approx 65% 2 approx 85%
[17:17] <navrac> originally on one battery it was draining faster - yep dave - thats what i was about to say
[17:17] <eroomde> F5MVO: i don't believe that is possible no
[17:18] <F5MVO> yes, its dommage
[17:18] <daveake> 2 AAAs is probably better than 1AA for a cold payload
[17:18] <daveake> Even though the capacity is lower
[17:18] <F5MVO> eroomde, yes, its dommage
[17:18] <navrac> i opted for two atteries as it qwas so light and the drain rate was high and if i lost gps lock the extra power could cause the whole hebang to reset when the batteries were cold
[17:19] <daveake> Yeah 2 much safer
[17:20] <navrac> sorry still have bits of polystyrene trapped in the keyboard - my typing isnt normally this bad
[17:20] <Elmar_PD3EM> ozzie1 is somewhere out there: http://www.pd3em.com/webcam/cam_1.jpg Will it reflect sunlight after sunset?
[17:20] <daveake> As we know the rfm22b will reset on dodgy power, and unless you sense that and re-init then you won't be transmitting afterwards
[17:20] <F5MVO> i shall want a new prediction with the time of the Ozzie1 launch, but it can't possible
[17:20] <Upu> interesting pd3em
[17:21] <Upu> F5MVO do it with the current time and location, set the burst to 1 meter above the launch and set the decent o 0.0001
[17:21] <Elmar_PD3EM> floating like a star as a bright spot Upu
[17:22] <Upu> http://www.pd3em.com/files/images/DSC03296.jpg nice set up
[17:22] <F5MVO> Upu, yes with the current time, but with launch time it impossible
[17:22] <Upu> yes it doesn't go back in time
[17:22] <Elmar_PD3EM> thanks upu!
[17:22] <Upu> right dog walk
[17:22] <F5MVO> Upu, why it cannot possible ?
[17:23] <Elmar_PD3EM> but needed SO3R instead of SO2R with today's launches ;-)
[17:23] <junderwood_M0JCU> Don't think I'll have it much longer. Need some more listeners
[17:24] <junderwood_M0JCU> can't complain about 254 km @ 5400 m, though
[17:25] <Elmar_PD3EM> i still hear ozzie but no decode $OZZE1(74,1628*3750.61,+4620,409,5,14,7 3,'1,*3ED
[17:25] <daveake> Nope. Up to 249km here.
[17:25] <daveake> I'm tempted to fly one myself and just sit here tracking it :)
[17:26] <daveake> I thought I'd need to go chase in order to get a decent signal
[17:27] <F5MVO> Ozzie1 just take the EuroStart at Paris to return ?
[17:27] <navrac> thats what i opted for dave - which was fine until it floated into my reception blind spot - i would have killed for the car earlier
[17:28] <navrac> drat forgot to put stamps on it
[17:28] <daveake> :)
[17:28] <LazyL-M0LEP> Last clean decode was over ten minutes ago here....
[17:29] <LazyL-M0LEP> ...but there's a trace in the waterfall still
[17:32] <jcoxon> bbl
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[17:37] <navrac> looks like the jpole antenna was doing its stuff - with the help of some excellent trackers
[17:39] <Upu> btw that westflex 103 stuff the center core is really thick
[17:39] <griffonbot> @b3noxley: RT @apexhab: Apex III recovered! Sneak peak of one of the photos #apexhab #ukhas http://t.co/qb9uiJmI [http://twitter.com/b3noxley/status/178897924179234817]
[17:39] <Upu> and the braid/copper foil outer I managed to slice my finger o
[17:40] <NigeyS> ouch :/
[17:40] <Morseman> Upu You've never seen Heliax then?
[17:40] <Upu> Nope RG213 is all I've used
[17:40] <navrac> thanks to everyone who has been and still is following ozzie - I'm really grateful. On a busy day I was worried my first flight would slide away out of range very fast
[17:41] <number10_M0MDB> well done navrac
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[17:41] <Upu> yeah great effort
[17:41] <Upu> and not over yet :)
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[17:42] <navrac> thanks - moer luck than judgement and really based on watching and learning from the people here
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[17:42] <Elmar_PD3EM> a great flight navrac !
[17:42] <navrac> so if it does well it really reflects on ukhas and all its members
[17:42] <NigeyS> how did you find the valve navrac ?
[17:43] <navrac> its part of the filling nozzle - nothing some parcel tape couldnt seal
[17:43] <Morseman> I have some of this in the garage http://www.kl7uw.com/Hardlinesplice.htm
[17:43] <navrac> and i tested parcel tape in the freezer the night before
[17:44] <F5MVO> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=0414efedb7487da507c952f1a1de0a7e0f462495
[17:44] <Morseman> Nice flight navrac
[17:44] <navrac> thank you
[17:46] <navrac> the flight predictors are amazingly accurate - it perdicted the path quite accurately 2 days ago, but i nevr expected it to stay up so long, i notice the temperature is starting to drop quite quickly now so it may shorten the battery life and i expect will start to drop soon
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[17:48] <cuddykid> is ozzie still going?
[17:48] <cuddykid> internet is so slow here can't load tracker
[17:48] <daveake> oh yus
[17:49] <daveake> I mean oui
[17:49] <cuddykid> marvellous
[17:49] <cuddykid> fantastique
[17:49] <cuddykid> c'est très bien
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[17:50] <navrac> i wish i could uplink from this distance - i could send bonjour as the uplink text
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[17:52] <Bob_G8NSV> well done navrac, good flight!
[17:52] <navrac> thankyou
[17:52] <Bob_G8NSV> and still going tres Bon!!
[17:52] <Bob_G8NSV> anyone here used a funcube dongle for downlink reception?
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[17:54] <Bob_G8NSV> obviously works well then as he is tracking ozzie. Am thinking of getting one
[17:54] <F5MVO> J have sent a message on a forum-hunting weather balloons for recovery
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[17:55] <number10_M0MDB> thats great F5MVO
[17:55] <LazyLeopard> Ah well... out of decodable range from here, it seems...
[17:55] <Bob_G8NSV> hi f5mvo how do you find the funcube performs??
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[17:56] <daveake> It's slowly falling which doesn't help the range of course
[17:57] <F5MVO> Bob_G8NSVnot too bad, but not too sensitive, and with a hole in reception around 1090 mhz about
[17:58] <daveake> Down to -2dB here
[17:58] <Bob_G8NSV> Just reading about them now do you use a pre-amp/filter?
[17:59] <F5MVO> no preamp / filter before
[17:59] <daveake> Number10_M0MDB you're a bit closer than me so you should keep going longer
[18:00] <Morseman> Website says Funcube has a gap from 1.1GHz to about 1.27GHz which cuts out a lot of the 23cm Amateur use on 1296MHz
[18:00] <Bob_G8NSV> F5MVO thanks
[18:01] <Bob_G8NSV> not really planning on using it for 1296, more for this sort of thing plus satt stuff
[18:01] <Bob_G8NSV> shame tho
[18:02] <navrac> looks like the external temp sensor started working again at some point
[18:02] <Morseman> Sorry - 1296 should be above that - must get my mind tested
[18:03] <F5MVO> Bob_G8NSV j have an ICOM PC1000 it seems slightly more sensitive
[18:03] <Bob_G8NSV> just wondered that not looked at band plan. Not really sure what you miss there i will have a look
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[18:04] <fsphil-laptop> ah, descending a bit
[18:04] <daveake> Yeah. Noise floor he we come :(
[18:04] <Morseman> Bob_G8NSV bit of a difference in price though...
[18:05] <fsphil-laptop> still a really good altitude
[18:05] <fsphil-laptop> it must be quite dark there now
[18:05] <Bob_G8NSV> gives a lot of coverage for one little stick
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[18:05] <daveake> OK I'm out. 271.5km not bad for a pico!
[18:06] <fsphil-laptop> indeed
[18:06] <navrac> f5mvo - that funcue seems to be pretty impressive
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[18:06] <fsphil-laptop> my funcube got some great range with nigey's pico launch
[18:06] <fsphil-laptop> but on my colinear on the roof it gets overloaded and can't hear anything
[18:07] <fsphil-laptop> pagers and broadcast FM seem to be the problem
[18:07] <navrac> thankyou dave - most impressive tracking - what receiver the aor?
[18:07] <daveake> No, an FT790R I picked up cheap
[18:07] <Bob_G8NSV> Looks like they need filters for serious work, not a real problem
[18:07] <number10_M0MDB> sorry daveake - just got a cheapo scanner here and a bent bit of wire so wont rdecode much longer
[18:07] <navrac> right im off to ebay - and to the estaet agets to get a house that isnt in a valley
[18:08] <daveake> :)
[18:08] <number10_M0MDB> ;)
[18:08] <daveake> Just got 1 more packet
[18:09] <F5MVO> i go to lunch, the frequency its difficult to follow, i come back after
[18:09] <daveake> number10_M0MDB You're doing well then!
[18:10] <number10_M0MDB> Oh I forgot to mention the 75ohm cable
[18:10] <daveake> Pic from early when Brum transitted Apex ... http://imgur.com/At2g7
[18:10] <daveake> You must have some woowoo #10
[18:11] <number10_M0MDB> its difficult to get that woo woo stuff
[18:11] <number10_M0MDB> dont think I have it
[18:12] <Elmar_PD3EM> still seeing it on the waterfall but very faint... Not bad for 275 km at 5150m altitude i think
[18:13] <Morseman> F5MVO by the time you have dinner it might be knocking on your front door!
[18:14] <daveake> 277.2km decode @ 5133m. Take that radio horizon :)
[18:15] <Morseman> Is that horizon radio or LoS?
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[18:15] <Elmar_PD3EM> or Ozzie is going for breakfast at F8TIW ;-)
[18:15] <daveake> It's the blue circle on spacenear :p
[18:15] <daveake> Ozzie a rugby fan?
[18:17] <Morseman> daveake Yes, I know what it is just don't know if it's radio horizon or LoS
[18:17] <Morseman> If it's LoS needto add a bit on of course
[18:17] <daveake> What I was saying was ... I don't know either :)
[18:17] <Elmar_PD3EM> it's the few dB gain over the horizon...
[18:17] <Morseman> ;-)
[18:18] <Bob_G8NSV> Time to get some stuff on ebay so I can buy a funcube
[18:18] <navrac> likewise
[18:19] <Elmar_PD3EM> no... I need that mast and the 4x 17 elem stack from our club ;-)
[18:19] <Bob_G8NSV> a 30 year old FDK3000 with a converter just wont hack it, drifted real bad
[18:21] <Bob_G8NSV> I have a nice tuneable cavity kicking round at work that will tune 434, should go great in front of the dongle
[18:21] <daveake> Looks like Ozzi has settled down to a new float
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[18:24] <Bob_G8NSV> navrac what size balloon is it?
[18:24] <navrac> 36" qualatex
[18:25] <Bob_G8NSV> it's doing really well did you try to get it to float or did it just happen?
[18:26] <F1src> Hi, nice flight from Ozzie, what is the frequency now ?
[18:28] <number10_M0MDB> 434.2029
[18:29] <navrac> i'd quiet like to know how the frequency has driften now the temp is down
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[18:29] <navrac> not too shabby then
[18:29] <Morseman> navrac What, like the ones you can get from novelty balloon places?
[18:29] <number10_M0MDB> has been between that and 434.1995
[18:29] <navrac> that will be the ones
[18:30] <Morseman> Good grief!
[18:30] <jonsowman> evening all
[18:30] <Morseman> How far inflated was it?
[18:30] <F1src> Thank's for the frequency, nothing, to far for me in IN87
[18:30] <navrac> about 50% at a guess,
[18:32] <Morseman> I can see me getting funny looks if I go and buy a balloon but ask for it to be only half filled. LOL
[18:32] <Randomskk> woo back
[18:32] <Randomskk> haven't slept for 32 hours
[18:32] <number10_M0MDB> not good Randomskk
[18:32] <Randomskk> heh
[18:33] <navrac> probably more - neck lift is 66g and payload was about 33g at a guess after i added the econd battery and it lifted at 1.5m/s so probably 60$
[18:33] <navrac> 60%
[18:34] <daveake> Just sneaked in another decode. 288.3km
[18:35] <number10_M0MDB> I am struggling here - so going to take antenna down
[18:35] <daveake> Yeah me too.
[18:37] <RocketBoy> I sell the 36" qualatex foil balloons on my site - http://randomaerospace.com/Random_Aerospace/Balloons.html
[18:37] <RocketBoy> (shameful promotion I know)
[18:38] <Laurenceb_> nice
[18:38] Action: Laurenceb_ just got back
[18:38] <Laurenceb_> looks like its still in float atfer sunset
[18:38] <Laurenceb_> how are you transmitting?
[18:38] <Laurenceb_> single carrier from rfm22 and shifting it using pll?
[18:39] <navrac> using the afc registers to shift it by 312hz
[18:40] <Morseman> navrtac
[18:40] <navrac> ive just drpped mine down - just been offered a 60 foot mast, time to start talking nicely to the wife.....
[18:40] <Morseman> Ooops sorry hit enter rather than backspace
[18:40] <Morseman> navrac do you have a website with details of your payload please?
[18:42] <navrac> i did mean to have one - but i lent my webspace to my son who promptly put the university newspaper on it and changed the passwords - I will document everything - there are some pics and code on the net if you want them - mainly based on jcoxons code
[18:42] <Bob_G8NSV> It is certainly working very well
[18:43] <Bob_G8NSV> are pico launches still under the same notam rules etc?
[18:43] <navrac> if you saw the state of thwe boards when it launched you wouldnt expect it to last this long - and the launch was like something out of last of the summer wine
[18:43] <navrac> no notams if the object is greater than2 m
[18:43] <navrac> sorry less than 2m in any direction
[18:44] <navrac> but they dont go very high - this was a proof of concept rather than a proprt hab
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[18:44] <Laurenceb_> yeah - impressive
[18:44] <Laurenceb_> so whats in there?
[18:44] <Laurenceb_> which micro and gps?
[18:45] <navrac> an rfm22b on a daughterboard , upus ublox6 board, an arduino mini pro and an ncp1402 regulator and a ds temp sensor
[18:45] <Bob_G8NSV> not true high altitude but very impressive float and great payload
[18:45] <navrac> and two AAA as 1 AAA is pushing it a bit
[18:45] <Laurenceb_> nice
[18:45] <Laurenceb_> any idea on battery life?
[18:46] <navrac> testing gave around 14hours i two bursts at room temp so say 12hrs?
[18:46] <Laurenceb_> ok
[18:47] <navrac> the height seems to have stabilised which is good
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[18:48] <navrac> http://s1078.photobucket.com/albums/w493/navrac_/OZZIE1/
[18:49] <navrac> sadly it didnt look to pretty after the 'bathroom sealant icident'
[18:49] <fsphil-laptop> impressive
[18:50] <Bob_G8NSV> ahh a slim jim antenna
[18:50] <Laurenceb_> oh i saw the other day
[18:50] <Laurenceb_> nice
[18:53] <Morseman> Nice looking little package and obviously works well
[18:54] <fsphil-laptop> I wonder how many of the other foil launches went this far too
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[18:55] <Morseman> Does it have a parachute or didn't you bother?
[18:57] <Morseman> I didn't realise there was an uplink until this morning or I would have tried to set up to be able to give that a go as well
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[18:58] <fsphil-laptop> the uplink format needs another rfm module, or software that can emulate it
[18:58] <Bob_G8NSV> navrac what range did you get on the uplionk?
[18:59] <Upu> oh Ozzie is using one of my boards :)
[19:00] <fsphil-laptop> that's a pretty good float now
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[19:00] <fsphil-laptop> very steady
[19:00] <Upu> pls dont' fail pls don't fail
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[19:00] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[19:00] <fsphil-laptop> yes don't fail, I'm launching one soon too
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[19:02] <Bob_G8NSV> what uplink range did you get?
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[19:04] <Laurenceb_> iirc they got 45km
[19:04] <fsphil-laptop> gonna be a long night
[19:04] <Laurenceb_> but it went out of line of sight
[19:04] <navrac> 42km - but it took several attempts - equally the aerial was down at ground level
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[19:05] <navrac> the rsi was -86db IIRC which bodes well with a noise floor of -118db
[19:05] <Bob_G8NSV> not too bad for such low power
[19:06] <navrac> but due to a silly design error i changed the housing design and moved the tx right by the cpu
[19:06] <navrac> before i moved it i was getting good signals at -110dbm - after the move it was closer to -95db or so
[19:07] <Bob_G8NSV> could make a fair difference then
[19:07] <navrac> very much so - that and not living in a valley
[19:08] <Laurenceb_> some sheild around the rfm22 and a choke on the power rail may help
[19:08] <navrac> im going to mount the tx directly on a long 70cm yagi and trim its ends to suit - ive got the loan of an aerial analysr
[19:08] <navrac> yes i think it would
[19:08] <Bob_G8NSV> I will certainly get one of those modules, the more people with uplinks will make future launches fun.
[19:09] <fsphil-laptop> live twitter relay :)
[19:09] <Bob_G8NSV> much potential I think
[19:09] <Elmar_PD3EM> LOL
[19:09] <fsphil-laptop> thinking it could be useful for the images, and requesting a packet be retransmitted
[19:09] <navrac> this flight was just to test whether it would work at all and whether I could stabilise the crystale enogh in the cold temperature
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[19:10] <navrac> i just have to crack live video from 40km now
[19:10] <Laurenceb_> id make a custom pcb and use a tcxo
[19:10] <Bob_G8NSV> has anyone thought of putting those head packs like you use for sprains etc in the payload? like a chemical crystal oven??
[19:10] <Bob_G8NSV> heat packs!!
[19:11] <navrac> i used the poor mans technique - i noticed the rfm is only about 50$% efficient so piped the waste heat from the chip onto the crystal and then sealed it airtight in silicon rubber
[19:11] <fsphil-laptop> some flights have used them
[19:11] <fsphil-laptop> chemical hand warmers anyway
[19:11] <Bob_G8NSV> did they help?
[19:11] <fsphil-laptop> I don't recall
[19:11] <Bob_G8NSV> sounds like they should in theory anyway
[19:11] <F4GUK> Hi guys ! I'm litening 434.650. But how to place my station on the http://spacenear.us/tracker/ map ?
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[19:12] <fsphil-laptop> F4GUK, are you using dl-fldigi?
[19:12] <Bob_G8NSV> set your lat long in DL Fldigi
[19:12] <Elmar_PD3EM> Hi F4GUK ! Make sure your location is set in dl-fldigi
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[19:12] <Bob_G8NSV> or you will appear off Nigeria!!
[19:12] <fsphil-laptop> which I hear is nice this time of year
[19:13] <Bob_G8NSV> a bit hot
[19:13] <F4GUK> Thank's for your anwer... i will found dl-fldigi ! ;-)
[19:14] <navrac> ozzie is susing zen navigation - it visualised itself to be in tunisia and its slowly making its way back....
[19:14] <Bob_G8NSV> navrac will tell you how to set it to the required settings
[19:15] <navrac> get the hab version of fldigi
[19:15] <navrac> select ozzie1 in the flight box and press autoconfigure
[19:15] <navrac> click on rtty on the bottom left and select custom
[19:16] <fsphil-laptop> https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/downloads
[19:16] <navrac> in the pop up box set the carrier shift to custom and then set the custom hift to 312hz and use the slider to widen the filter to 120hz
[19:16] <navrac> on the main window click on thr AFC button bottom left
[19:17] <GW8RAK> Does anyone know if the Watson W300's quoted gain on 9dB is dBi or dBd?
[19:17] <navrac> tune radio on usb to 434.2
[19:17] <navrac> tune around till the rtty can be heard and use the mouae to move the red lines over the sigal trace.
[19:18] <navrac> if it decodes text you will see it appear on the top screen, if its junk then tune to the other side of the signal to reverse the shift
[19:18] <navrac> thats about it really
[19:18] <griffonbot> Received email: Jon Sowman "Re: [UKHAS] Re: CUSF: Wombat Test Flight"
[19:18] <griffonbot> @PD3EM: The ozzie1 balloon is floating nicely at 5075m altitude http://t.co/0ijXEPYX #HAB #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/PD3EM/status/178922981727285250]
[19:23] <Bob_G8NSV> navrac like your idea of putting the rf22 on an antenna boom, like a masthead preamp.
[19:23] <navrac> well i did like it till the circuit board got damaged and the mast was up and down every 5 mins while trying to launch at the same time
[19:24] <Bob_G8NSV> cut the losses right down make the most of the low power tx
[19:24] <navrac> exactly my theory - and a string of 5m active usb extensions
[19:24] <Bob_G8NSV> could you not write code to use rs232/434?
[19:24] <fsphil-laptop> people do that with wifi access points
[19:25] <Laurenceb_> heading for paris
[19:25] <F4GUK> Thank you for your help ! I'm ready to catch Ozzie signal now ... !
[19:26] <Bob_G8NSV> or 2 wire?
[19:26] <Bob_G8NSV> f4guk good luck
[19:26] <Elmar_PD3EM> welcome to the HAB fun F4GUK and good luck tracking!
[19:28] <fsphil-laptop> turning west. starting that big circle back to the uk :)
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[19:29] <navrac> nooh dont want it back - its really messy inside - i'd die of embarassment if anyone saw the state it was im
[19:30] <navrac> going to tape the laptop inside to the house - fed up listening to hiss from the receiver
[19:30] <navrac> take the laptop not tape
[19:30] <Morseman> I'm wondering if could make up a simple GPS (say Ublox6) to 'something' to turn NMEA to APRS and then put that through RFM22?
[19:32] <fsphil-laptop> not sure the rfm22 can generate 1200 baud afsk
[19:32] <Morseman> F4GUK - You are on the map :-)
[19:32] <griffonbot> @jonsowman: Enjoyed the Nova 20 chase today #cusf [http://twitter.com/jonsowman/status/178926457224048640]
[19:33] <Morseman> F4GUK I don't think the IC R20 does USB, does it?
[19:34] <Morseman> Ah sorry my mistake it does
[19:34] <Morseman> Poss one of few Handhelds like that does
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[19:36] <Bob_G8NSV> good thing about lower altitude any cheap gps will work
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[19:37] <Upu> the GPS on this was hardly expensive :)
[19:37] <Bob_G8NSV> what was it?
[19:37] <navracwarmbyfire> a bargain in fact upu
[19:37] <Upu> one of my uBlox6 boards
[19:37] <Upu> this one : http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=52
[19:37] <navracwarmbyfire> i was using the antenovas but they were awkward and insensitive
[19:38] <Bob_G8NSV> thnks upu
[19:38] <Upu> unsure why they are the same chip aren't thye ?
[19:39] <Bob_G8NSV> wow only 1.5g!!
[19:39] <Upu> yeah
[19:39] <navracwarmbyfire> because the antenova puts the pads just under the chip and not on the sides - so reworking it is difficult with an iron - and it has a matching requirement which is sensitive to layout
[19:39] <Bob_G8NSV> thats light
[19:39] <Upu> designed for pico stuff
[19:39] <Upu> there is a version of it with the Sarantel antenna on the site too
[19:40] <navracwarmbyfire> no proven to work too upu, well done
[19:40] <navracwarmbyfire> now not no, sorry
[19:40] <Upu> yup thx :) There may be some concerns over repeat flights
[19:40] <Upu> the hot cold cycle cracking the ceramic antenna
[19:41] <Upu> but only one way to ascertain if thats an issue
[19:42] <F6AGV> GOOD NIGHT ALL OZZIE1 TRACKING is finish for me :
[19:42] <Upu> thanks F6AGV
[19:42] <Bob_G8NSV> goodnight
[19:42] <Upu> much appreciated as always
[19:43] <Elmar_PD3EM> good night F6AGV
[19:43] <F6AGV> YES VERY GOOD DAY thanks for balloons in UK !
[19:43] <navracwarmbyfire> thankyou for your help F6AGV
[19:43] <Upu> I'm doing QSL cards next time
[19:43] <F6AGV> OK I'm very glad for young boys and students nice dau indeed !
[19:44] <navracwarmbyfire> young boys!
[19:44] <Morseman> LOL
[19:44] <F6AGV> so lon good night F5MVO IS TRACKING near PARIS !!!
[19:45] <F6AGV> Yes grammar school ?
[19:45] <F5MVO> Bonjour, oui mais personne dans l'OUEST !
[19:45] <navracwarmbyfire> yep the last tracker, i wonder how much i'll have to bribe him to stay up till the end
[19:46] <F6AGV> bonsoir c'est dommage essaye d'aller jusqu'au bour ici plus rien le checksum coupe
[19:46] <Upu> can you wake up F8TIW ? :)
[19:46] <fsphil-laptop> if it does come back around, NigeyS might be the first to hear it again
[19:46] <Morseman> Sorry fsphil-laptop only just noticed your comment on 1200baud
[19:46] <Elmar_PD3EM> with this kind of flights, we need much more trackers here in Europe ;-)
[19:46] <fsphil-laptop> Morseman, yea it's not really a general purpose radio like the radiometrix ones. it modules things its own way
[19:46] <Morseman> How about 300 baud like we used to do on HF?
[19:46] <Upu> compared to 6 months ago this is an incredible turn out
[19:46] <fsphil-laptop> modules* modulates
[19:47] <F6AGV> c'est quoi ton antenne MVO ?
[19:47] <fsphil-laptop> we would have lost this balloon hours ago Upu :)
[19:47] <Morseman> It's a bit slow to TX though
[19:47] <fsphil-laptop> 300 baud aprs would work fine yea
[19:47] <fsphil-laptop> although I don't see any real advantage to it
[19:47] <F6AGV> Yes 300 bauds is good
[19:47] <Morseman> I think I can get AGWPE and UI-View to decode 300 baud
[19:48] <F5MVO> actuellement je suis passé sur une directive 12 elements
[19:48] <jonsowman> fsphil-laptop: APRS is manchester encoded iirc
[19:48] <jonsowman> which should make it more decodable
[19:48] <daveake_> 300 baud from Apex worked very well for me earlier
[19:48] <fsphil-laptop> differential encoded jonsowman
[19:48] <F6AGV> bonsoir F5MVO à la peochaine fois 73 de Alain je coupe
[19:48] <jonsowman> differential manchester, yea
[19:48] <Morseman> I'm thinking of avoiding something like the arduino to keep weight and cost down
[19:48] <F5MVO> 73 a+
[19:48] <jonsowman> fsphil-laptop: and it's bit stuffed for clock recovery
[19:48] <fsphil-laptop> isn't manchester where it encodes all bits with two bits?
[19:48] <F6AGV> 73 a+
[19:48] <daveake_> Morseman the Mini Pro is very light
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[19:49] <Morseman> I remember Cambridge packet systems!
[19:49] <F5APQ> by all to weak now
[19:49] <Morseman> Also, I can't program to save my life...
[19:49] <daveake_> One of those plus one of Upu's most excellent GPS boards + rfm22b and you'll be up to about 6 grams
[19:49] <jonsowman> fsphil-laptop: yea... i thought aprs was differential manchester
[19:49] <jonsowman> i may be wrong
[19:50] <fsphil-laptop> aprs signals a 1 bit by a change in the tone
[19:50] <jonsowman> oh ok
[19:50] <jonsowman> it's non-manchester then
[19:50] <fsphil-laptop> (or maybe a zero bit, I always get those mixed up)
[19:50] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[19:51] <fsphil-laptop> it's a better method
[19:51] <fsphil-laptop> (than rtty)
[19:51] <jonsowman> definitely
[19:51] <fsphil-laptop> too many zeros or too many ones don't work well
[19:51] <jonsowman> how much difference that really makes i don't really know
[19:51] <Morseman> How difficult would it be to produce something like PSK31 instead?
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[19:52] <jonsowman> Morseman: psk transmit hardware is relatively hard
[19:52] <jonsowman> or at least
[19:52] <jonsowman> i've not come up with a good way of doing it
[19:52] <Morseman> Ah, forget that then
[19:52] <fsphil-laptop> with the common hardware it's difficult
[19:52] <fsphil-laptop> it would need something custom built
[19:53] <Morseman> TinyTrack or small brother would do the conversion but costs more plus shipping from USA
[19:53] <jonsowman> i think M-ary FSK is the way forward
[19:53] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[19:53] <Morseman> £30 for Ublox would mean I'd probably want to try to get it back again...
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[19:54] <fsphil-laptop> 1200 baud SSB has been done with the NTX2 modules
[19:54] <fsphil-laptop> although that was with some error correction
[19:54] <fsphil-laptop> and a big yagi on the ground
[19:55] <daveake_> Anyone heard back re the Brum flight?
[19:56] <fsphil-laptop> nothing in channel
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[20:07] <Laurenceb_> whats the minimum shift with the si4432/rfm22b?
[20:09] <Bob_G8NSV> Is it possible to use the more exotic digimodes like olivia or jt65?
[20:10] <fsphil-laptop> dominoex has been used
[20:10] <Laurenceb_> ah i see - 156hz
[20:10] <Bob_G8NSV> they should work far closer to the noise floor
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[20:11] <Bob_G8NSV> I have used jt65HF and it can read stuff I cant even hear and you can barely see on a waterfall. Its slow though
[20:12] <Bob_G8NSV> would be difficult to tune if you couldnt hear it I suppose
[20:12] <Bob_G8NSV> very difficult!
[20:12] <fsphil-laptop> it needs a very stable transmitter
[20:13] <Bob_G8NSV> yes not really possible in a balloon with such temperature extremes
[20:13] <Laurenceb_> mfsk-64 has worked for me in the past
[20:13] <fsphil-laptop> dominoex can apparently handle drift better than most fsk modes
[20:13] <Laurenceb_> but it needs 62hz deviation :/
[20:14] <navracwarmbyfire> laurenceb_ - 156hz I already looked into that :-(
[20:14] <G6SWJ> Can anyone tell me - does gps need a lock before you can communicate with it?
[20:14] <navracwarmbyfire> no it just starts gibbering as soon as you turn it on
[20:15] <Laurenceb_> i dont think theres any fldigi mfsk modes that will work
[20:15] <G6SWJ> I wish it jubbered in my direction! can't wok out what I'm doing -...
[20:15] Nick change: daveake_ -> davestuffed
[20:15] <fsphil-laptop> not without modifications Laurenceb_
[20:15] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[20:16] <davestuffed> G6SWJ What have you done so far? What GPS? What processor board?
[20:16] Action: fsphil-laptop offers davestuffed a chicken sandwich
[20:16] <navracwarmbyfire> looks like ozzie is just going to skirt the outskirts of paris
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[20:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> how low can the batt go, before it stops tx?
[20:17] <fsphil-laptop> someone suggested a few days?
[20:17] <G6SWJ> II'm new to this so hopw my exlanation is valid - Arduino Mega2560 / Sparkfun TTl converetor / Ublox Max 6Q
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[20:17] <navracwarmbyfire> about 12hours at a guess
[20:18] <fsphil-laptop> ah
[20:18] <fsphil-laptop> not a few days then
[20:18] <davestuffed> 2 AAAs
[20:18] <fsphil-laptop> navracwarmbyfire, have you got contact details on it?
[20:18] <davestuffed> Couple of days would need 3-4 AAs!
[20:18] <navracwarmbyfire> well its hard to tell, you know what its like - you put some batts in test for a few days, short things out and then up the power consumption by txing at 100mw
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[20:19] <navracwarmbyfire> no i decided to go for anonymous incase it came crashing down through someones greenhouse
[20:20] <navracwarmbyfire> if the battery is 2.6v it should have at least another 5 hours left. when i started on friday it was at 2.6v and that was at 10am and it went flat at about 5pm
[20:21] <navracwarmbyfire> but that was at 20 degrees - not -8
[20:21] <Bob_G8NSV> were they alkaline or lithium ones?
[20:21] <navracwarmbyfire> lithium
[20:21] <Bob_G8NSV> ahh lighter and more power?
[20:21] <navracwarmbyfire> and better performance at low temps
[20:22] <davestuffed> much
[20:22] <F5MVO> its easy to follow Ozzie1 now, the altitude is stablished and the frequency also !
[20:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> navracwarmbyfire ok interesting flight, lets hope some south france trackers will show up.
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[20:22] <Bob_G8NSV> any advantage to lion polymers, or do they not work at low temp?
[20:22] <jcoxon> wow
[20:22] <jcoxon> its still flying
[20:22] <jcoxon> hey navrac
[20:23] <navracwarmbyfire> i reckon F5MVO can track it for at least another 200miles if his reception so far is anything to go by
[20:23] <navracwarmbyfire> hi jcoxon
[20:23] <navracwarmbyfire> and he can stay awake
[20:23] <jcoxon> oooo there is a perfect person to start tracking
[20:23] <Laurenceb_> if it had a flashing led on he could probably spot it
[20:23] <jcoxon> lets email him
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[20:24] <jcoxon> f1src
[20:24] <navracwarmbyfire> just coming up for 8 hours
[20:24] <jcoxon> voltage ain't bad
[20:25] <navracwarmbyfire> just dropped from 2.6 to 2.5v so i might have been a bit optomistic with the battery life at those temps
[20:25] <navracwarmbyfire> oh maybe i just misread it
[20:25] <MrCraig> whomever it was that updated the wiki today for building dl-fldigi -- thank you
[20:25] <jonsowman> it will say at bottom right MrCraig
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[20:26] <MrCraig> DanielRichman - ty :)
[20:26] <priyesh> Photos from today's APEX flight are now up: http://gallery.apexhab.org/index.php/Apex-III/Launch-2/Flight
[20:27] <jcoxon> i've emailed f1src
[20:27] <Bob_G8NSV> thanks priyesh will take a look
[20:28] <navracwarmbyfire> some great shots there
[20:29] <davestuffed> priyesh Did you fly the Lassen I sent?
[20:29] <cuddykid> evening all
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[20:29] <jcoxon> so the float has settled into night time
[20:29] <cuddykid> my level of hatred for network rail is at an all time high
[20:29] <jcoxon> with very little temperature affect
[20:29] <priyesh> davestuffed: ended up flying NigeyS's lassen - you're is being turned into a car tracker for spacenearus :P
[20:29] <davestuffed> cuddykid Heard from the Brummies?
[20:29] <cuddykid> fantastic to see Ozzie still up
[20:29] <davestuffed> priyesh ok
[20:29] <cuddykid> davestuffed: nope :P
[20:30] <cuddykid> lol davestuffed
[20:30] <cuddykid> what have you been eating this time?
[20:30] <davestuffed> Nice roast duck from Mrs Dave
[20:30] <cuddykid> oh very nice!
[20:30] <davestuffed> She does the roasts and sometimes a breakfast; I do the rest
[20:31] <cuddykid> sounds a good combo
[20:31] <cuddykid> so dave and eroomde laying on the catering for the next conf?!
[20:32] <davestuffed> :)
[20:32] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRT4ShYi8Bw
[20:32] <davestuffed> I think I already offered a HAB BBQ :)
[20:32] <davestuffed> Just need to order the H2 .... :p
[20:32] <fsphil-laptop> you appear to have flown through a contrail priyesh :)
[20:33] <Laurenceb_> chemitrail
[20:33] <Laurenceb_> clean off the barium
[20:33] <priyesh> fsphil-laptop: :) - which photo is that?
[20:34] <priyesh> ah
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[20:34] <priyesh> 354?
[20:34] <priyesh> that's may favourite
[20:34] <fsphil-laptop> near the start
[20:34] <cuddykid> lol davestuffed
[20:34] <cuddykid> this ozzie flight is superb
[20:34] <cuddykid> first the uplink, now the float!
[20:35] <Laurenceb_> low altitude float
[20:35] <fsphil-laptop> http://gallery.apexhab.org/index.php/Apex-III/Launch-2/Flight/ApexIIILaunch2Photos-0365
[20:35] <cuddykid> congrats navrac
[20:35] <priyesh> fsphil-laptop: ah - :)
[20:35] <navracwarmbyfire> thanks
[20:35] <fsphil-laptop> well not through it, but very near it
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[20:36] <priyesh> yeah
[20:36] <jonsowman> jcoxon: lion dl-fldigi build seems quite stable
[20:36] <MrCraig> http://gallery.apexhab.org/index.php/Apex-III/Launch-2/Flight/ApexIIILaunch2Photos-0504 <- love it
[20:36] <jonsowman> it crashed a couple of times
[20:36] <navracwarmbyfire> it was named after my dog ozzie - whose real name is oscar - so it seemed suitable as oscar1 was the first amateur satalite that relayed messages
[20:36] <jcoxon> oh good
[20:36] <jcoxon> oh
[20:36] <jcoxon> jonsowman, any crash reports
[20:36] <jonsowman> jcoxon: i'm running it now and waiting for it to crash
[20:36] <jonsowman> during the chase we didn't have time to save the reports
[20:37] <jcoxon> at least it works on lion now
[20:37] <jonsowman> yep :) thanks!
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[20:37] <jonsowman> that saved us today
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[20:38] <F5MVO> MrCraig, its the Tamise
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[20:42] <MrCraig> *nods - I like the photo because it's mostly the blue ball, has a good amount of data, shows the thin blue line and the shine from the river
[20:43] <MrCraig> that was a mobile phone camera?
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[20:45] <MrCraig> yay, I can now build digiflidgi from source.
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[20:46] <Guest88442> hello
[20:46] <jcoxon> MrCraig, hooray!
[20:47] <Guest88442> I am not a number!
[20:47] <navracwarmbyfire> half a number?
[20:47] <Elmar_PD3EM> hello!
[20:47] <MrCraig> you sure 88442?
[20:47] <fsphil-laptop> number10 is already taken
[20:48] <jcoxon> navracwarmbyfire, i recommend emailing hte ukhas list
[20:48] <jcoxon> ask for any french listeners
[20:48] <Guest88442> what is everyone doing here?
[20:48] <davestuffed> good question
[20:49] <jcoxon> Guest88442, we are watching a balloon flight
[20:49] <navracwarmbyfire> ok will put up something.
[20:50] <Elmar_PD3EM> F5MVO is doing a great job decoding ozzie1 tonight!
[20:52] <Guest88442> Aaaaaaah
[20:52] <Guest88442> I forgot why I'd signed up to this channel
[20:52] <Guest88442> we did a flight last year
[20:52] <fsphil-laptop> what was the flight called?
[20:52] <Guest88442> Er, it was from strahtclyde uni
[20:53] <fsphil-laptop> aah yes
[20:53] <fsphil-laptop> I remember that one
[20:53] <Guest88442> really?
[20:53] <NigelMoby> bouncing payload?
[20:53] <Guest88442> I'mimpressed
[20:53] <jcoxon> gentle descent of ozzie
[20:53] <Guest88442> There were two.. ours was pretty standard.
[20:53] <jcoxon> very slowly
[20:53] <fsphil-laptop> that's the one I'm thinking of NigelMoby
[20:53] <Guest88442> Ours narrowly missed a house and the parachute wasn't as great as we thought
[20:54] <Guest88442> Still pretty pictures.
[20:54] <fsphil-laptop> if the radio didn't fail, I probably helped track it Guest88442
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[20:54] <Guest88442> Ah cool
[20:54] <fsphil-laptop> I remember two of them had problems
[20:54] <fsphil-laptop> and didn't transmit
[20:54] <Guest88442> I remember we relied on getting a text from the GPS.. which came an hour late
[20:55] <Guest88442> and we spent a good hour or so hunting for it in boggy fields
[20:55] <Guest88442> Good times!
[20:55] <fsphil-laptop> ah, boggy fields. I know them well ;)
[20:55] <griffonbot> Received email: navrac "[UKHAS] Any Listeners in France available?"
[20:56] <Guest88442> Where's this balloon headed then?
[20:56] <jcoxon> towards the atlantic now
[20:56] <jcoxon> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[20:57] <Laurenceb_> http://www.deepdarc.com/2011/08/04/capacitance-sensing/
[20:57] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[20:59] <Guest88442> Cripes it's gone a long way..
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[21:01] <navracwarmbyfire> maybe it is going for the big circle jcoxon
[21:01] <fsphil-laptop> it seems to be
[21:01] <navracwarmbyfire> wish i'd put in another couple of batteries now
[21:02] <NigelMoby> meh ill go put the Yagi up loo
[21:02] <NigelMoby> lol*
[21:02] <fsphil-laptop> not sure the yagi will work any better in the loo
[21:02] <NigelMoby> lol
[21:02] <G6SWJ> Don't all laugh - does the tx pin of the GPS go to RX pin on Arduino?
[21:02] <NigelMoby> never know in this house Phil
[21:02] <navracwarmbyfire> yes
[21:02] <jcoxon> navracwarmbyfire, oh hysplit is quite accurate
[21:02] <fsphil-laptop> lol true NigelMoby
[21:03] <fsphil-laptop> G6SWJ, yes -- and we've all made that mistake :)
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[21:03] <fsphil-laptop> through your level converter of course
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[21:04] <NigelMoby> ya or grey smoke!
[21:04] <fsphil-laptop> although gps tx can be wired directly to the avr/arduino rx
[21:04] <navracwarmbyfire> what time is sun up in south france?
[21:04] <fsphil-laptop> in the morning
[21:04] <NigelMoby> 5.30ish?
[21:04] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: Ozzie1 pico balloon, still flying after 8 hours, west of Paris, looking for French listening stations 434.200Mhz #ukhas #arhab #hamr [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/178949586935754752]
[21:04] <NigelMoby> lol Phil
[21:04] <fsphil-laptop> sorry, tried to stop myself
[21:05] <NigelMoby> if it bursts in s.wales I can prolly fetch it.
[21:05] <griffonbot> @apexhab: Photos from today's APEX III Flight are up on our gallery #apexhab #ukhas http://t.co/xLwmLurl [http://twitter.com/apexhab/status/178949868621021184]
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[21:07] <jcoxon> f1src is listening out for it
[21:07] <jcoxon> if he can hear it he'll turn on his dl-fldigi
[21:07] <fsphil-laptop> altitude is very slowly dropping
[21:08] <Elmar_PD3EM> its time for F8TIW to turn the dial to the right QRG
[21:08] <Upu> because its getting colder ?
[21:08] <Upu> amazing its still up
[21:08] <fsphil-laptop> yea!
[21:08] <cuddykid> really is incredible
[21:09] <Upu> following the prediction nicely too
[21:09] <griffonbot> @onlineradio_fr: RT @jamescoxon: Ozzie1 pico balloon, still flying after 8 hours, west of Paris, looking for French listening stations 434.200Mhz #ukhas ... [http://twitter.com/onlineradio_fr/status/178950806320586752]
[21:09] <fsphil-laptop> nice retweet
[21:09] <NigelMoby> oo yes
[21:10] <NigelMoby> I mean oo oui
[21:11] <Upu> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=d6c56b07c88d3822f80774d7bb2aa5088dbee267
[21:11] <Upu> hah
[21:12] <Upu> there is a global tuner in Tolouse but thats a bit far south
[21:12] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Having some fun in the Bay of Biscay there...
[21:12] <NickB1> a bit of turbulence
[21:12] <Upu> http://gallery.apexhab.org/index.php/Apex-III/Launch-2/Flight/ApexIIILaunch2Photos-0354 - near miss ?
[21:13] <navracwarmbyfire> lol i can go out and get it back tomorrow afternoon then
[21:13] <navracwarmbyfire> evening
[21:13] <Upu> evening
[21:14] <navracwarmbyfire> the question is will the sunlight raise it back up in the morning and will there be any battery life left
[21:14] <NigelMoby> 50/50 on both
[21:15] <Upu> and will it be in range of any receivers at that time ?
[21:15] <NigelMoby> crystal ball fail....
[21:16] <navracwarmbyfire> i reckon 50:10 and zero receivers
[21:16] <NickB1> whats the power supply navracwarmbyfire ?
[21:16] <navracwarmbyfire> two aaa lithium and an nc1402 boost reg
[21:17] <davestuffed> AAA x 2--> 1402 step-up
[21:17] <davestuffed> That's about the 10th reply I'd made today that's been too late :p
[21:17] <NickB1> did you measure the current the setup draws ?
[21:18] <navracwarmbyfire> if he'd asked 2 mins earlier you would have been first whilst i was making a hot chocolate
[21:18] <griffonbot> @NigeyUK: RT @jamescoxon Ozzie1 pico balloon, still flying after 8 hours west of Paris, looking for French listening stations 434.200Mhz #ukhas #arhab [http://twitter.com/NigeyUK/status/178953044355055617]
[21:18] <davestuffed> mmm good idea ... :)
[21:18] <fsphil-laptop> hot chocolate. that is a damn good idea
[21:19] <navracwarmbyfire> a while back in the proto stage i measured but then i discovered that a aaa lithium provides enough current to blow the fuse in the meter
[21:19] <NigelMoby> lol
[21:19] <navracwarmbyfire> well the aerial is a j pole so is earther and the probe was on the desk...
[21:20] <navracwarmbyfire> earthed
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[21:20] <NickB1> hehe :)
[21:20] <f1ujt> hi everybody from limoges
[21:20] <NigelMoby> eek
[21:20] <Upu> bon soir
[21:20] <NigelMoby> bonjour
[21:20] <Elmar_PD3EM> hi f1ujt
[21:20] <Upu> soir Nigel its not day :)
[21:20] <Upu> I got told off by a waiter once in France
[21:20] <NigelMoby> it is, kinda..lol
[21:20] <f1ujt> i have no reports from near Limoges JN05LV, but my friend F4FCE near Neuvy sur Loire receive the signal
[21:20] <NigelMoby> seriously? lol
[21:20] <NickB1> is it an arduino mini? navracwarmbyfire
[21:21] <Upu> Does (s)he have dl-fldigit f1ujt ?
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[21:21] <navracwarmbyfire> yep arduino mini pro 3.3v, rfm22b at 11db and the ublox in powersave mode
[21:21] <f1ujt> I've just resend the last email from google groups to local mailling list
[21:21] <navracwarmbyfire> thanks
[21:22] <Upu> thanks f1ujt
[21:22] <Upu> this your first flight navrac ?
[21:23] <navracwarmbyfire> yep - but based on a lot of info gleaned from the wiki, this channel and several really helpfull people
[21:23] <davestuffed> impressive start :)
[21:23] <Upu> impressive start!
[21:23] <Upu> snap!
[21:23] <davestuffed> oy
[21:23] <navracwarmbyfire> lucky start
[21:23] <fsphil-laptop> impress...
[21:24] <fsphil-laptop> you got there first this time davestuffed
[21:24] <Upu> :)
[21:24] <davestuffed> I had it pre-typed waiting for navrac :)
[21:24] <NigelMoby> it was.my video that did it...lol
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[21:24] <f1ujt> yes welcome PM F4FCE :D
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[21:25] <NigelMoby> hey f4fce
[21:25] Action: fsphil-laptop is listening to Queen .. "Who wants to float forever"
[21:25] <f4fce> Hi evry body
[21:25] <Upu> evening :)
[21:25] <NigelMoby> hola
[21:25] <Upu> I think f1ujt wants you in a pm :)
[21:25] <NigelMoby> crap that's Spanish...duh
[21:25] <f1ujt> PM is the first name of F4FCE : Peter Mary :)
[21:26] <fsphil-laptop> ah ha
[21:26] <F5MVO> f4fce, bonjour, tu peux decoder ?
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[21:26] <fsphil-laptop> Upu, he said bonjour
[21:26] <f4fce> je recois les trames en audio
[21:26] <NigelMoby> err
[21:26] <Upu> meh
[21:26] <fsphil-laptop> the waiter was wrong lol
[21:26] <f4fce> pas de soft pour tester le decodage
[21:26] <NigelMoby> oui?
[21:26] <Upu> wouldn't surprise me
[21:26] <F5MVO> dl-fldigi
[21:27] <navracwarmbyfire> yes the vidoe helped - this morning at 8am i was searching through the history thinking was it under or over the the white bit of plastic
[21:27] <NickB1> he needs software
[21:27] <f1ujt> https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/downloads
[21:27] <NigelMoby> lol that white bit is such a red herring!!
[21:27] <f4fce> je regarde
[21:28] <Morseman> * internal walkman now playing "Float On" by The Floaters...
[21:28] <F5MVO> i am losing the decodage
[21:29] <NigelMoby> :(
[21:29] <navracwarmbyfire> :-(
[21:29] <Upu> F8TIW seems to be back online
[21:29] <Elmar_PD3EM> :-( what is F8TIW doing? Hoping the other French can take over F5MVO
[21:29] <f4fce> I'm ready, FLDIGI OK and witch mode i use
[21:30] <navracwarmbyfire> someone here must speak french well enough to explain using fldigi
[21:30] <NigelMoby> start in hab mode
[21:30] <jcoxon> http://f1src.free.fr/docfile/appli/installation_vf_dl_fldigi_v3_20_29_Windows_XP.pdf
[21:30] <F5MVO> yes i can to explain in french
[21:31] <navracwarmbyfire> i put the instructions on a post on the mailing list
[21:31] <Upu> Let F5MVO explain :)
[21:31] <f4fce> FLdigi est pret je vois les trames courtes sur l'ecran
[21:31] <navracwarmbyfire> thanks guys
[21:31] <F5MVO> tu vas dans configure
[21:31] <f4fce> ok
[21:32] <F5MVO> puis configure tes coordonnees
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[21:32] <F5MVO> lat et longitude
[21:32] <f4fce> fldigi est deja configure
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[21:33] <f4fce> il tourne deja en psk HF, j'ai simplement recupere la bf du trx 70cm
[21:33] <Elmar_PD3EM> wow the email and tweets worked! A warm welcome to all the new French listeners!
[21:33] <F5MVO> puis les parametres 50 bauds shift 312 7 bits no parity 2 stop
[21:34] <f1ujt> i have another station on chatellerault
[21:34] <F5MVO> si tu veux retransmettre le suivi sur le site il faut DL-FLDIGI pour le suivi
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[21:36] <Elmar_PD3EM> Upu, you got a minute?
[21:36] <f1ujt> F4FHR recoit S3/S4 sur chatellerault mais pas qrv pour décoder
[21:36] <Upu> sure
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[21:36] <navracwarmbyfire> its low and high reversed so you have to tune it so the carrier is on the right
[21:36] <F5MVO> ce sont des stations qrv decodage que l'on recherche !
[21:37] <f1ujt> ;)
[21:37] <f1ujt> je secoue tt le monde :D dur après le film :)
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[21:37] <Adam_> I see Ozzie is still floating, how far has it travelled now?
[21:38] <F5MVO> aucune station dans l'OUEST c'est le desert !
[21:38] <f4fce> bizzare comme mode
[21:39] <f4fce> le plus approchan en config est rtty / modem
[21:39] <f4fce> les trames sont tres courtes
[21:39] <Upu> Adam_ http://spacenear.us/tracker/ long way :)
[21:39] <F5MVO> c'est du rtty 50 bauds
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[21:43] <NigeyS> hey F1src :-)
[21:44] <F1src> Hi, i'm in stand by mode ;)
[21:44] <NigeyS> yey
[21:44] <jonsowman> :)
[21:45] <navracwarmbyfire> $$OZZIE1,1359,21:42:22,48.2549,+1.4608,4962,-7,8,2.5,6,71,*27E1 est un trames typical
[21:45] <f4fce> rien de bien en decodage de mon coté
[21:45] <jcoxon> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/14385_trj001.gif
[21:45] Nick change: Elwell_ -> Elwell
[21:45] <F5MVO> je suis en train de le perdre !
[21:46] <natrium42> le what? :)
[21:46] <jonsowman> he's losing signal
[21:46] <navracwarmbyfire> hold in there F5MVo
[21:47] <jcoxon> and 48hrs: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/14386_trj001.gif
[21:47] <Adam_> I have it on the tracker but there is no recorded flight distance that I can see. Google maps says ~400miles by car so a little way off the current 837mile record but the flight time is coming up on 9hrs so only 4hrs more to beat the record set by Apex.
[21:47] <jonsowman> jcoxon: that's amazing
[21:48] <jonsowman> NigeyS: i hope you're staying up ^
[21:48] <navracwarmbyfire> in ozzies defence it is only a £2 party balloon
[21:48] <fsphil-laptop> 48 hours should be easy enough
[21:48] <NigeyS> jonsowman, sure, like i wanted sleep anyway...lol
[21:48] <jonsowman> haha
[21:48] <F5MVO> its finish for me
[21:49] <fsphil-laptop> great work F5MVO
[21:49] <Upu> good effort F5MVO
[21:49] <Morseman> Nice work F5MVO well tracked
[21:49] <navracwarmbyfire> yep well done, thank you very much
[21:49] <natrium42> what kind of balloon is it?
[21:49] <navracwarmbyfire> a qualatex 36" foil
[21:49] <Morseman> You are not going to believe the answer
[21:49] <Upu> Interesting F8TIW is last seen 0 hours ago
[21:50] <Elmar_PD3EM> great decoding F5MVO ! Hope someone can fill in the gap soon
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[21:50] <Elmar_PD3EM> yep.... he must have the antena in the wrong direction or is on the wrong QRG
[21:50] <natrium42> navracwarmbyfire: sweet, finally a durable foil balloon :)
[21:51] <LazyLeopard> F5MVO: Marathon effort!
[21:51] <navracwarmbyfire> yep most impressive
[21:51] <Elmar_PD3EM> can someone call F8TIW?
[21:51] <cuddykid> very good F5MVO
[21:51] <F5MVO> yes, its come back tommorrow, by the big circle !
[21:51] <navracwarmbyfire> thanks again F5MVO
[21:52] Nick change: Morseman -> Morseman_G0DJA
[21:52] <navracwarmbyfire> must be in range of F8TIW
[21:53] <Elmar_PD3EM> hurray for F5MVO with a new decode ;-)
[21:53] <f4fce> the frequency is on 075 or 200
[21:53] <navracwarmbyfire> ooh - every one counts
[21:53] <NigeyS> natrium42, same balloon as always, qualatex 36inch
[21:53] <Upu> 200
[21:53] <f4fce> I ,nreceve on 200 but site say on 075
[21:53] <f4fce> ok
[21:53] <F5MVO> autour de 205
[21:54] <Upu> Downlink: 434.2MHz ( Can change if clashes - please let me know)
[21:54] <Upu> Format: 50baud, 7 bit ASCII, 2 Stop bits ,312Hz shift.
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[21:55] <F5MVO> few still frames
[21:55] <Upu> coming to you F1src
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[21:57] <Morseman_G0DJA> The battery seems to be holding up well
[21:57] <f4fce> si je met 312 ca colle pas au signal du waterfull
[21:57] <navracwarmbyfire> i thought it only needed enough for 3 hours...
[21:58] <F5MVO> ici ça le fait
[21:59] <f4fce> 512 coll mieux
[21:59] <Elmar_PD3EM> lol navracwarmbyfire battery is still at 2.5/2.6 !! your payload is doing great!
[22:00] <Laurenceb_> unfortunately lithium cells arent linear
[22:00] <Laurenceb_> at some point its going to drop off a cliff
[22:00] <NigeyS> like a lead balloon? :p
[22:00] <navracwarmbyfire> its pretty good till 2,2 then it will go within an hour
[22:01] <davestuffed> yep, they drop quickly at the beginning from 1.8 to 1.5 or so, and again at the end from about 1.2
[22:01] <navracwarmbyfire> 1.9v to 1.5v is a matter of 5 mins and it dies at about 1.2v as it cant supply the current
[22:02] <navracwarmbyfire> thats based on two aaa giving 3v at start
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[22:02] <Laurenceb_> we've got 2 more hours or so
[22:03] <navracwarmbyfire> but only intermittant reads from MVO to go on
[22:03] <davestuffed> I've got a pair of AAAs in the freezer at the mo so I can do a low temperature test tomorrow
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[22:04] <navracwarmbyfire> i'm glad I'm not the only person doing weird things, coming on here makes me feel normal
[22:04] <davestuffed> :D
[22:04] <Morseman_G0DJA> The altitude plot is interesting it's been steady at about 5km for nearly 4 hours now
[22:04] <navracwarmbyfire> my wife was asking me why i was putting parcel tape in the freezer yesterday and i replied 'well its lighter than gaffer/duct tape
[22:04] <NigeyS> lol
[22:05] <davestuffed> lol
[22:05] <Morseman_G0DJA> I used to keep film in the fridge, does that count?
[22:05] <Upu> showing your age...
[22:05] <Laurenceb_> hmm no positions for a few minutes
[22:06] <Elmar_PD3EM> lol i need a bigger freezer to put payload in without the need for getting food out first ;-)
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[22:06] <navracwarmbyfire> I think the problem is that they need to tune to the other side of the carrier to reverse the shift
[22:06] <Morseman_G0DJA> It was Kodachrome though
[22:06] <Morseman_G0DJA> Use LSB
[22:06] <jcoxon> or clikc the RV button on dl-fldigi
[22:06] <navracwarmbyfire> or reverse the polarity of the neutron flow
[22:06] <navracwarmbyfire> ah thats what it does
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[22:07] <Morseman_G0DJA> Thanks jcoxon I was looking for "invert" or "reverse" but I'll look for RV next time...
[22:07] <davestuffed> We have a small second freezer in the garage. I'm only allowed to use that one for experiments :)
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[22:07] <navracwarmbyfire> likewise dave
[22:07] <davestuffed> It has a switch that drops the temperature 10 degrees, which is handy
[22:08] <NigeyS> turbo freeze type switch ?
[22:08] <davestuffed> turbo freezer nutter ba**ard switch, with go-faster stripes
[22:08] <NigeyS> lols
[22:08] <Morseman_G0DJA> F5MVO still seems to be getting some decodes in
[22:09] <Elmar_PD3EM> he sure is (doing a great job) !
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[22:09] <navracwarmbyfire> he has tracked it for all apart from the first 50 miles
[22:10] <Elmar_PD3EM> F8TIW is still online but doesn't had a single decode yet...
[22:11] <navracwarmbyfire> theres a pc1000 on ebay - maybe we should club together and stick it france somewhere
[22:11] <Elmar_PD3EM> i hope F1src can pick up de signal soon
[22:11] <Morseman_G0DJA> Is F8TIW in the shack or just left FL-Digi running in background without rig switched on I wonder?
[22:11] <F5MVO> for the moment s/n around 9 dB
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[22:13] <Morseman_G0DJA> F5MVO that Funcube and antenna of yours doing well as the TX is only mW ...
[22:13] <F1src> What is the frequency ?
[22:13] <navracwarmbyfire> another decode!
[22:13] <navracwarmbyfire> 434.2
[22:13] <cuddykid> does anyone have a link to some sort of graph which shows number of #highaltitude users vs time (say, in months)?
[22:14] <f1ujt> we would be in FM or USB ?
[22:14] <Morseman_G0DJA> F5MVO what distance is DL-FLDigi showing I wonder?
[22:14] <F5MVO> yes, but just a vertical antenna now
[22:14] <jcoxon> USB
[22:14] <NigeyS> cuddykid, http://habhub.org/zeusbot/pisg.html
[22:14] <cuddykid> cheers NigeyS
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[22:14] <F5MVO> the distance its not good, read 5453.9
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[22:15] <Morseman_G0DJA> F5MVO the TX antenna is vertical - A 'Slim Jim' I think navrac said
[22:15] <F5MVO> the distance its not good, read 5453.9 bearing 182.3 and no changed
[22:15] <Morseman_G0DJA> Ah - same problem as I had when it was in range here
[22:15] <F5MVO> antenna is Diamond X-510N
[22:16] <F5MVO> antenna is Diamond X-510N at only 8 meters
[22:16] <navracwarmbyfire> its a jpole the slim jim didnt give enough coverage when passing overhead - wish i'd used the slim jim now
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[22:19] <F6AGV> F5MVO comment ça va ?
[22:19] <F5MVO> i am friend using a QFH for weather satelite decoding
[22:19] <jcoxon> another decode
[22:19] <jcoxon> f8tiw is in
[22:19] <Elmar_PD3EM> great!!
[22:19] <F5MVO> ca devient dur dur, et pas grand monde a l'ouest
[22:19] <navracwarmbyfire> yeah!
[22:19] <Upu> epic
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[22:20] <navracwarmbyfire> its a bit edge of the seat this - loosing decodes then in comes someone to the rescue
[22:20] <olivier58> 73 F1UJT
[22:20] <F6AGV> Il a l'air de partir vers l'Atlantique ?
[22:21] <f1ujt> 73 olivier bonsoir Alain
[22:21] <F5MVO> il va revenir demain par le grand cercle au Royaulme Uni
[22:21] <Upu> see
[22:21] <Upu> bonsoir !
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[22:21] <olivier58> hi friend
[22:22] <F6AGV> oui c'est un ballon increvable !
[22:22] <Rob_M0DTS> OZZIE is still up, very cool flight!
[22:22] <F5MVO> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=d6c56b07c88d3822f80774d7bb2aa5088dbee267
[22:22] <Upu> Evening olivier58 = F8TIW ?
[22:22] <olivier58> le ballon va bien finir par peter lol
[22:22] <Rob_M0DTS> i have a friend in portugal who can listen if we feel that optimistic for tomorrow ;-)
[22:22] <Upu> Well Rob
[22:23] <Upu> you won't believe this but the prediction is it will loop back over the UK
[22:23] <F5MVO> non puisqu' il vol maintenant en dessous de son plafond maxi
[22:23] <olivier58> Upu je ne suis pas radioamateur
[22:23] <Upu> ok
[22:23] <Upu> hi anyway :()
[22:23] <Upu> err :)
[22:23] <Rob_M0DTS> wow that would be very cool
[22:23] <Upu> got a radio ? :)
[22:24] <natrium42> hey rob
[22:24] <Rob_M0DTS> how long does battery last?!
[22:24] <Upu> Batteries probably won't last
[22:24] <Upu> navrac ?
[22:24] <F5MVO> F8TIW arrive bien !
[22:24] Nick change: navrac -> navrac-office
[22:24] <F6AGV> ben pas sur, parce qu'à part un corbeau pour le percer il ne peut rien arriver !
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[22:25] <Morseman_G0DJA> Everyone now watching the battery voltage figure...
[22:25] Nick change: navracwarmbyfire -> navrac
[22:25] <navrac> ( fires gone out)
[22:25] Nick change: davestuffed -> daveake
[22:26] <Elmar_PD3EM> lol navrac
[22:26] <olivier58> il se dirige en plein sur la ville de Tours
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[22:27] <Rob_M0DTS> willbe interesting to see where from if it is recovered!
[22:27] <F6AGV> F5MVO c'est quoi le truc au milieu ?
[22:27] <F5MVO> ça doit être du sur place
[22:28] <Upu> http://gallery.apexhab.org/index.php/Apex-III/Launch-2/Launch/ApexIIILaunch2-02401 <- on this picture does Adam have a GoPro attached to his forehead ?
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[22:28] <F6AGV> Faudrait aller voir sur READY comment sont les vents dans ce coin ? LAT et LON à cet endroit ?
[22:28] <navrac> 2.4V.....
[22:28] <F5MVO> des ronds au dessus de l'eau hi !
[22:28] <NigeyS> lol i was thinking that
[22:28] <navrac> well it was at 2.5v for about two hours
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[22:29] <f-17873> 73 a tout le monde
[22:29] <F6AGV> james what happens wiith the balloon ?
[22:29] <olivier58> 73 Fabrice
[22:29] <Elmar_PD3EM> hi f-17873
[22:29] <Morseman_G0DJA> Who's the Zen Buddist in the background?
[22:29] <NigeyS> http://gallery.apexhab.org/index.php/Apex-III/Launch-2/Launch/ApexIIILaunch2-02406 donuts!!!!
[22:30] <jonsowman> NigeyS: they didn't even give me any :(
[22:30] <NigeyS> wah? :o thats just tight lol
[22:30] <jonsowman> shocking right
[22:30] <daveake> Krispy Kremes :)
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[22:30] <SpeedEvil> w21Was paex revoet?
[22:30] <NigeyS> seriously, thats unforgiving!
[22:30] <Upu> F6AGV it is stil floating
[22:30] <SpeedEvil> Was apex recovered?
[22:30] <Upu> yes
[22:30] <SpeedEvil> :)
[22:31] <priyesh> jonsowman: you had to steal the donuts out of the box like everyone else was :P
[22:31] <olivier58> le ballon a t'il envie de tomber ou non ?
[22:31] <jonsowman> priyesh: oh, nobody told me that :(
[22:31] <NigeyS> jonsowman, so they got to play with the holy grail of "filling" toys, and not even a donut.. tut tut
[22:32] <priyesh> yeah - everyone was basically just slipping them out of the box :P
[22:32] <jonsowman> haha
[22:32] <F6AGV> pour OLivier faut voir le profil du vol
[22:32] <NigeyS> you didnt find 1 in the payload box did ya? lol
[22:32] <jonsowman> i'll remember for next time priyesh
[22:32] <olivier58> ok pas de soucie
[22:32] <navrac> google translate is struggling
[22:32] <Elmar_PD3EM> my Nixie clock has switched to the dimmed night mode a long time ago.... I should have been sleeping... Gonna be a problem tomorrow morning ;-)
[22:32] <NigeyS> priyesh, some great pics, good flight, congrats :-)
[22:33] <priyesh> NigeyS: thanks :D
[22:33] <navrac> yep, i have to be bright and early up = going to be not so bright and not so early by the looks of it
[22:33] <F6AGV> va sur le tracker et clique sur OZZIE et tu vois que le ballon fait un palier à 5000m : il ne peut pas éclater il est en équilibre.
[22:34] <NigeyS> umm..
[22:34] <F6AGV> les piles doivent tenir sinon pas facile à trouver le ballon !
[22:34] <olivier58> NigeyS : you are connected from you donuts ? :)
[22:35] <NigeyS> they did not save me 1 either :(
[22:35] <priyesh> next apex flight - donuts for all
[22:36] <NigeyS> yey!
[22:36] <jonsowman> thanks priyesh
[22:36] <priyesh> no problem
[22:36] <daveake> My YT ID is "choccydonuts" :)
[22:36] <olivier58> thanks for your donuts
[22:36] <NigeyS> except hes forgot to mention jon the next flight is in 2014 :p
[22:36] <Elmar_PD3EM> yey! sent some donuts overhere in the payload ;-)
[22:36] <jonsowman> NigeyS: lol
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[22:36] <NigeyS> and itll prolly be a stale 1 from this flight! lol
[22:36] <priyesh> lol
[22:36] <Morseman_G0DJA> OZZIE1 has been going for about 10 hours by now...
[22:37] <priyesh> next flight will prob be in teh summer
[22:37] <NigeyS> look forward to it, everything go ok technically priyesh ?
[22:37] <priyesh> remind me to buy CUSF donuts :P
[22:37] <priyesh> NigeyS: yeah - payload worked excellently :)
[22:37] <jonsowman> oh i will
[22:37] <NigeyS> awsome
[22:37] <jonsowman> not letting you forget that ever priyesh
[22:38] <priyesh> please note that i have not promised a specific brand of donut
[22:38] <NigeyS> hah jons gonna be on a donut rampage if you dont remember, dont forget helium tanks can do serious damage to feet! ;)
[22:38] <jonsowman> lol
[22:38] <F5MVO> 50 bauds its better than 300
[22:38] <NigeyS> noo u cant do the cheap tesco value donuts!
[22:38] <priyesh> btw - just for reference - 2 extra large helium tanks + minibus + M25 = dangerous situation
[22:38] <NigeyS> see that jon, he's trying to farm you off with cheapo donuts now lol
[22:38] <Upu> here here F5MVO
[22:39] <jonsowman> unbelievable
[22:39] <jonsowman> :P
[22:39] <navrac> f5MVO - what was your longest receive distance?
[22:39] <NigeyS> lol priyesh glad i wasnt driving that !
[22:40] <priyesh> they make a very satisfying 'clunk' sound
[22:40] <F5MVO> i take about near Ramsgate and loss near Vendome
[22:40] <navrac> 350kM?
[22:41] <Morseman_G0DJA> Looks like it's following the N10
[22:41] <navrac> well its lost - maybe the gps map is out of date
[22:41] <NigeyS> priyesh, just clunk, or clunk "boom" ? :p
[22:41] <F5MVO> about 300 kms
[22:42] <navrac> that is very good for 5km altitude = well done
[22:42] <priyesh> just a clunk
[22:42] <NigeyS> hydrogen next time then yeah?:p
[22:42] <jonsowman> oh god
[22:42] <NigeyS> pmsl
[22:42] <daveake> Pretty good :). Think my best was just below 290km
[22:42] <priyesh> NigeyS: sure
[22:43] <NigeyS> wouldnt be much of an m25 left, let alone the minibus!
[22:43] <NigeyS> the*
[22:43] <olivier58> la position du ballon reste au même endroit il fait du statique ?
[22:43] <priyesh> shotgun jonsowman's car on that launch
[22:43] <NigeyS> haha
[22:43] <jonsowman> ha
[22:43] <jonsowman> my car looked good today
[22:43] <jonsowman> two radios, antennas etc
[22:43] <NigeyS> my god.. no donut, now he's trying to kill you, what have you done jon? :p
[22:43] <priyesh> :)
[22:44] <jonsowman> NigeyS: i know, i try to help and all i get is this treatment
[22:44] <SpeedEvil> jonsowman: Did you have blue lights on the underneath?
[22:44] <NigeyS> lolol
[22:44] <NigeyS> oo blue underglow neons, bling bling!
[22:44] <priyesh> jonsowman: can i suggest red spotlights for under your car?
[22:44] <jonsowman> SpeedEvil: haha no, ill have to sort that for next time
[22:44] <jonsowman> priyesh: sure
[22:44] <jonsowman> lol
[22:44] <NigeyS> now hes pimping ure car, wow !
[22:44] <navrac> is it not updating the position anymore? oops
[22:45] <SpeedEvil> :/
[22:45] <SpeedEvil> Somewhere in a field in france that shall be forever england.
[22:45] <SpeedEvil> (Unless it gets posted back)
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[22:46] <priyesh> was so close to seeing Apex's descent today
[22:46] <navrac> I've seen that happen before - the gps freezes and givrs the same time/position info - I built a reset into the uplink code but I dont think it will work at this range
[22:47] <NigeyS> priyesh, that wouldve topped of what seems to have been an awsome day all round!
[22:47] <NigeyS> off*
[22:47] <navrac> no it is still tracking ok, just slow
[22:47] <Upu> its doing about 60kmph
[22:47] <Elwell> sadly it's the wrong side of .fr for me to head and get it
[22:47] <Upu> 43mph
[22:47] <NigeyS> hey Elwell
[22:48] <priyesh> NigeyS: yeah - we were only about 5-8min late
[22:48] <jonsowman> mm we were too
[22:48] <NigeyS> ahh nooo!
[22:48] <priyesh> yeah, jonsowman's troop were on an identical schedule
[22:48] <NigeyS> anyone caught 1 yet ?
[22:48] <navrac> sorry i had it lock up on me before - i mistranslated (well google did)
[22:49] <NigeyS> navrac how come it switches channel for the uplink, seen it go 7,8,4 ?
[22:49] <navrac> it does a channel scan to find the channel with the lowest noise every 10 sentences
[22:50] <NigeyS> ahhh clever little thing
[22:50] <navrac> i took it to spain on easyjet scanning the band and logging it - i realised there are a lot of really loud modem links at height so had to make it frequency agile
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[22:51] <NigeyS> really? :o now that what you call payload prep!
[22:51] <priyesh> definitely hope we get to see apex's descent next time
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[22:52] <navrac> well i had to go for work and was going to be stuck out there so took the dev kit with me
[22:52] <priyesh> hopefully with Matt_soton in "mission control" we will :P
[22:52] <NigeyS> yush priyesh captured on hd film too would be neat !
[22:52] <fsphil-laptop> I got shouted at for using a camera navrac, you'd you manage a prototype payload? :)
[22:52] <NigeyS> lol
[22:53] <navrac> i look old and sensible - no one looks at me
[22:53] <Morseman_G0DJA> I've only just discovered the "Track in Google Earth" option as well...
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[22:54] <olivier58> je reçoit le signal a fond sur le 434.200 5/9+30
[22:54] <navrac> wow thats strong
[22:54] <olivier58> yes
[22:55] <navrac> whats french from how far away from it are you and do you have fldigi?
[22:55] <Elmar_PD3EM> very strong!! olivier58, you're F8TIW?
[22:55] <Morseman_G0DJA> Où êtes-vous oliver58 ?
[22:55] <Upu> he said he's not an amateur
[22:55] <F6AGV> 300 km correspond à 5000 m en optique
[22:55] <Elmar_PD3EM> ok, missed that one..
[22:55] <olivier58> jn17na Nevers dept 58
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[22:56] <F6AGV> F1SRC is here ?
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[22:57] <priyesh> NigeyS: jonsowman: what would be pretty cool is if habitat sent live predictions of landing sites to an android phone which took the lat/long and constantly reprogrammed google navigation with it, so you just keep following it
[22:57] <olivier58> avec une antenne 3 el UHF/UHF pour le satelite
[22:57] <NigeyS> oo that would be pretty sweet!!
[22:57] <jonsowman> priyesh: yeah i was thinking about that today
[22:57] <NigeyS> probably doable .. habitat is like .. god !
[22:58] <jonsowman> really need something to talk to a satnav
[22:58] <priyesh> yeah - worth talking to Randomskk & DanielRichman about, although the predictor is separate to habitat atm
[22:58] <Elmar_PD3EM> great olivier58 ! Do you have dl-fldigi running?
[22:58] <F5MVO> l horizon radio doit faire 330 km ?
[22:58] <Matt_soton> just run the predictor locally in an offline predictor?
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[22:58] <Matt_soton> then make a android version :P
[22:58] <Upu> still within the radio horizon F5MVO
[22:58] <olivier58> no i'm not the software
[22:59] <priyesh> but if it was all automated... :P
[22:59] <jonsowman> also running it locally is annoying
[22:59] <Morseman_G0DJA> olivier58 That is a long way from the Balloon so a very good signal!
[22:59] <fsphil-laptop> offline prediction on an android phone? win!
[22:59] <priyesh> fldigi on an android tablet
[22:59] <Matt_soton> how much data does it actually need to dl?
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[23:00] <olivier58> ok :)
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[23:00] <F6AGV> software is on https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi
[23:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> Oh, that's a pitty olivier58 .. check https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/downloads
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[23:01] <F6AGV> It's easy to work !
[23:01] <navrac> err yeah....
[23:02] <Morseman_G0DJA> Battery has dropped another 0.1V
[23:02] <F6AGV> olivier58 tu peux charger dl-fldigi : you need any help ?
[23:02] <olivier58> oui je vien de le téléchargert et je ne voi pas de setup
[23:03] <navrac> so that 0.1v in err - hmm mirc doesnt log times
[23:03] <NigeyS> about an hour navrac ?
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[23:04] <navrac> no sadly 10:28 so only half an hour
[23:04] <Upu> you can turn timestamping on jsut right click the channel and select timestamp ->on
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[23:04] <NigeyS> navrac it maybe 2.35
[23:04] <F6AGV> en haut à droite tu as DOWNLOAD 4 clic dessus
[23:05] <navrac> i wish i'd not been so mean and put another digit on the voltage
[23:05] <navrac> i'll look back to see when it went from 2.6 to 2.5
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[23:07] <navrac> 8:25 2.5V, 10:30 2.4V 11:04 2.3V - i need the sun to come up
[23:08] <NigeyS> 5 hours.. ish
[23:08] <navrac> I put the batteries in at about 11:00 as I was going to launch at 11:30
[23:09] <navrac> so its had 12 hours so far
[23:09] <Elmar_PD3EM> doesn't look good... 2.3 V now... :-(
[23:09] <NigeyS> tell alie ..
[23:09] <Elmar_PD3EM> 2.2 V...
[23:09] <NigeyS> Mar 12, 2012
[23:09] <NigeyS> 7:10 AM
[23:09] <NigeyS> 6:52 PM
[23:09] <F6AGV> OLIVIER58 tu continues à installer ?
[23:09] <NigeyS> for paris
[23:09] <olivier58> ok telecharger et deziper dans un repertoir ; parcontre je voi bien deux install blanc
[23:10] <navrac> i think the batteries will go within the next 30 mins
[23:10] <navrac> as the voltage drops the current draw increases
[23:10] <F6AGV> je résume : clic sur le fichier EXE, execute, continue, décoche strt menu, next, install, close ...
[23:10] <navrac> and it enters a vicious dying cycle :-(
[23:11] <Elmar_PD3EM> i don't want to but my alarm goes in less then 6 hours... so I really need to go. good luck to al French with the decoding! You did a great job navrac!!
[23:11] <fsphil-laptop> night Elmar_PD3EM !
[23:11] <F6AGV> l'icone de démarrage doit être sur le bureau OK ?
[23:12] <Adam_> Has anyone ever fitted a floater with a solar panel? Would it be enough to run the flight computer?
[23:12] <Elmar_PD3EM> good night (and flight)!
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[23:12] <fsphil-laptop> not yet Adam_, but it's being looked at
[23:12] <navrac> thankyou PD£EM
[23:13] <olivier58> ok
[23:13] <F1src> I have something on 434.204 but it's very very little for the moment
[23:13] <NigeyS> 2.2v :(
[23:13] <navrac> that will be it - but i think the battery will die before it gets much further
[23:13] <F6AGV> OK? F1SRC tu pourrais être QRV pour capter et transmettre par dl-fldigi ?
[23:14] <NigeyS> navrac will it totally die, or just leave the radio with a carrier when gps cuts out?
[23:14] <navrac> i should have put in the power output V's battery voltage code - but to be honest i was expecting 3 hours ad dreaming of 5
[23:14] <navrac> hmm - it will start beeping on 434.2 if i remember correctly - let me check
[23:14] <NigeyS> kk
[23:14] <Adam_> What is powering it navrac?
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[23:15] <navrac> 2x AAA lithium and a b1402 boost regulator
[23:15] <olivier58> je comprend pas que ce soit un des deux fichiers install sa ne marche pas sa me demande de chrcher une application
[23:15] <olivier58> domage que ce soit pas en format setup
[23:15] <Adam_> And its been going for 11hrs? Wow!
[23:15] <F6AGV> OLIVIER58 tu clic sur l'icone du bureau et tu vas ouvrir fldigi configuration wizard c bon ?
[23:16] <F6AGV> ben tu me suis je l'installe en même temps
[23:17] <olivier58> fldigi c'est le logiciel pour le PSK ?
[23:17] <F6AGV> le fichier d'origine est dl-fldigi-3.20.29.r115.1.exe c bon ?
[23:17] <navrac> ok it beep intermittantly on 434.2 when the battery finally goes - the gps searching for lock draws too much to let it continue
[23:18] <F1src> Un petit guide in french pour installer dl_fldigi : http://f1src.free.fr/docfile/appli/installation_vf_dl_fldigi_v3_20_29_Windows_XP.pdf
[23:18] <navrac> 2.1v - goodnight ozzie......
[23:18] <olivier58> ci c'est bien sa je l'est deja d'installer depuis longtemps
[23:18] <F6AGV> oui F1SRC olivier58 reçoit le ballon plein pot mais pas installé dl-FLDIGI
[23:19] <fsphil-laptop> 2.0
[23:19] <fsphil-laptop> falling fast
[23:19] <F6AGV> Tu as rempli le wizard avec tes coordonnées ?
[23:19] <olivier58> ici 5/9+30 toujours
[23:19] <fsphil-laptop> 2.1 again
[23:20] <jcoxon> navrac, did you solder the batteries?
[23:20] <jcoxon> or battery holder?
[23:20] <navrac> ok so it launched at 12:28 this am and its now 11:18 - nearly 11 hours of flying and 12hrs txing
[23:20] <navrac> solder james
[23:21] <jcoxon> yeah this might be a time for a bit of slow-hell
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[23:21] <olivier58> pour info j'ai ouvert le logiciel que j'ai deja depuis longtemps qui a le même nom FLDIGI multimode
[23:21] <navrac> i just never anticipated that it would float this long - when the sun went down i was sure it would die
[23:22] <navrac> 2xAA next time - have to save some weight though....
[23:22] <Adam_> Duration record is 12hrs and 20 mins. We're at 11hrs? Its going to be a close 2nd place!
[23:22] <fsphil-laptop> pico flights never behave
[23:22] <NigeyS> never!!
[23:22] <NigeyS> least ure batteries didnt freeze...lol
[23:22] <jcoxon> navrac, i think the answer is more aggressive power saving
[23:23] <F6AGV> oui mais avec DL-FLDIGI ce logiciel va transmettre les trames bonnes à un serveur distant et avec tes données la trajectoire se fera !
[23:23] <F1src> Signal to low for me to have something : http://i.imgur.com/CMKfI.jpg
[23:23] <fsphil-laptop> 1.9v
[23:23] <jcoxon> F1src, click RV
[23:23] <jcoxon> in the bottom left corner
[23:23] <navrac> yep, i put the gps in powersave mode but didnt bother with switching it off at times or changing tx output with battery level etc
[23:23] <fsphil-laptop> bottom right
[23:23] <jcoxon> bottom right!
[23:23] <jcoxon> oops
[23:23] <jcoxon> it'll decode
[23:23] <navrac> 1.9v - its dead guys - matter of a minute or two
[23:23] <NigeyS> wow a waterfall with no noise!
[23:23] <jcoxon> thats a strong enough signal
[23:23] <fsphil-laptop> lol NigeyS
[23:24] <NigeyS> mines ALWAYS yellow hah!
[23:24] <Morseman_G0DJA> F1src you will need to use LSB or use the 'RV' command as the RTTY is inverted
[23:24] <F6AGV> OLIVIER58 tu as mis en route DL-FLDIGI ?
[23:24] <olivier58> bon la j'ai la totazlité des fichiers dont un qui se nome INSTALL.dl-fldigi je fait quoi ?
[23:24] <F1src> Thank's James it's better
[23:25] <jcoxon> navrac, inverted rtty!
[23:25] <fsphil-laptop> we need a mode that doesn't care
[23:25] <Morseman_G0DJA> meh - it's 25 past 11
[23:25] <navrac> I know I know. I swapped to the setfrequency to test it and when i put the register lines back in i sput them in backwards
[23:25] <F6AGV> je vais t'aider ça va aller: prend le fichier dl-fldigi-3.0.29.r115.1.exe tu l'as ?
[23:25] <jcoxon> eek 1.8
[23:26] <olivier58> oui
[23:26] <F6AGV> bon clique dessus
[23:26] <navrac> eek goodnight - it will be down to 0.9v soon
[23:26] <fsphil-laptop> how low can it go?
[23:26] <NigeyS> 1.7 .. oh eck
[23:26] <fsphil-laptop> we're about to find out I guess :)
[23:27] <navrac> cant stand to watch it slowly die.. ive become attatched to it over the past 11 hours...
[23:27] <NigeyS> awww
[23:27] <olivier58> DLL commune du shell Windows
[23:27] <fsphil-laptop> it's still a success navrac
[23:27] <F6AGV> tu fais executer, continue, décoche Start Menu, next install et close ça va ?
[23:27] <jcoxon> navrac, how did it keep so warm?
[23:27] <navrac> is there any way to see when it actually lifted off?
[23:27] <F1src> I'm in USB with RV, i see data but it's not complete
[23:27] <Adam_> Navrac is there a log for your flight computer build?
[23:27] <priyesh> navrac: it's just like me watching Alpha drift out of range :P
[23:27] <navrac> heartbreaking - silly bit of polystyrene
[23:28] <navrac> If i'd only spent more time on powersaving
[23:28] <F5MVO> its finish ?
[23:28] <F6AGV> c'est quoi la DLL tu vois ça après avoir cliqué sur le fichier .EXE ???
[23:28] <F1src> Nothing for me now !!??
[23:28] <navrac> not yet - it is slowly dying
[23:28] <olivier58> sa me donne : windows ne peut pas ouvrire ce ficher
[23:28] <F5MVO> its finish ? no signal
[23:28] <F6AGV> Mince c'est dur dur !
[23:29] <fsphil-laptop> FIN ?
[23:29] <navrac> 23:28 I think its time we call it doctor
[23:29] <olivier58> ben normal il n'est pas en format setup
[23:29] <NigeyS> LOS :(
[23:29] <RocketBoy> still - bang for $ that has to be one of the best flights ever
[23:29] <fsphil-laptop> what a fantastic flight
[23:29] <F6AGV> F5MVO nous avons OLIVIER58 qui reçoit 59 + 30 mais on essaye de charger son DL-FLDIGI ? Aide ?
[23:29] <fsphil-laptop> well done navrac
[23:30] <fsphil-laptop> F5MVO, the battery is empty
[23:30] <F5MVO> je recois plus rien ici
[23:30] <navrac> time of death 23:25:39
[23:30] <olivier58> 59+30 ici
[23:30] <F5MVO> plus aucune traces
[23:30] <fsphil-laptop> hmmm
[23:30] <F6AGV> OK, mais perso je n'ai pas eu de problème ?? C quoi vista ? ou win7
[23:30] <olivier58> 7
[23:30] <fsphil-laptop> olivier58 still receiving something?
[23:30] <navrac> oh still going just cant decode - aaghh
[23:31] <olivier58> yes i receive the ballon sond
[23:31] <F6AGV> F5MVO tu pourrais aider OLIVIER58 à charger ?
[23:31] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, guess it shows they can float
[23:31] <F1src> Great flight, about battery, see the 'Li-Ion 18650' it's interesting
[23:31] <F5MVO> je vois pas trop son problème
[23:31] <RocketBoy> yep - interesting that it floated with a much higher ascent rate than I expected
[23:32] <jcoxon> right bed for me
[23:32] <navrac> likewise....
[23:32] <jcoxon> look forward to discussing this tomorrow
[23:32] <fsphil-laptop> same here
[23:32] <fsphil-laptop> night all :)
[23:32] <F5MVO> est ce qu'il reçois encore quelque chose ?
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[23:32] <jcoxon> thank you to our French collegues for the excellent tracking
[23:32] <F6AGV> OK, quand il clique sur le fichier EXE il a un message de windows au lieu d'avoir executer et la suite...
[23:32] <NigeyS> yeah weve had 1.5m ascents before and no float
[23:32] <navrac> so its still txing but no one can decode it
[23:32] <olivier58> comme j'ai deja dit plus haut depuis tout a l'heure j'ai un logiciel d'ouvert du même nom Fldigi est-ce sa ?
[23:32] <jcoxon> NigeyS, single balloon
[23:32] <F1src> Great flight, congrats to the team, see u for the next flight, ciao, have a good night
[23:33] <jcoxon> thats the key
[23:33] <navrac> yep
[23:33] <F6AGV> faudrait peut etre le fermer ?
[23:33] <Morseman_G0DJA> Well done to all the French trackers - Hope to see you for the next flight
[23:33] <NigeyS> well i cant do single, but i got a dual balloon going up next sunday so we'll see!
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[23:33] <navrac> yes thankyou for all the help from the french trackers
[23:33] Nick change: Morseman_G0DJA -> Morseman
[23:33] <olivier58> que je le ferme ou non le problème est toujour la
[23:33] <RocketBoy> thanks for the days entertainment all
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[23:34] <F6AGV> aie ?!
[23:34] <olivier58> oui
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[23:34] <olivier58> en plus les fichiers sont tout blancs pour le installe
[23:34] <Adam_> bonsoir tout
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[23:35] <F5MVO> il faut qu'il regarde le pdf de F1SRC tranquillement pour la prochaine fois
[23:35] <F6AGV> moi quand je clique sur le fichier EXE j'ouvre une fenêtre EXECUTER et ça installe facile (j'ai XP ici)
[23:35] <navrac> olivier58 can you still hear the signal
[23:35] <F6AGV> OUI F5MVO ça doit se préparer à l'avance cette manip
[23:36] <olivier58> yes 5/9 + 10
[23:36] <F6AGV> gd night ADAM
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[23:36] <F5MVO> il a toujours du signal ?
[23:36] <olivier58> oui
[23:36] <F6AGV> ben oui il dit à fond
[23:36] <F6AGV> c quoi ta ville ?
[23:36] <F5MVO> il est ou ton qra
[23:37] <olivier58> Nevers dept 58 centre france a 66 km de bourges
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[23:38] <Morseman> Good night all
[23:38] <NigeyS> nn Morseman !
[23:38] <F6AGV> OUI, je vois mais ça fait un bout de route, tu as une bonne antenne ?
[23:38] <F5MVO> quel est ton OS ?
[23:38] <olivier58> et pour dire je suis avec un scanner model maycom a l'interieur
[23:38] <olivier58> windows 7
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[23:39] <olivier58> antenne fabrication maison pour les satellites UHF/VHF
[23:39] <F5MVO> ça doit pas ouvrir les fichiers de la même façon que XP, je connais pas !
[23:40] <F6AGV> ben moi non plus ? sinon je faisais la manip en simultané avec mon PC portable ici je ne suis pas à la station !
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[23:41] <F6AGV> F1SRC tu captes quelque chose ?
[23:41] <olivier58> pas grave parcontre avec mon logiciel fldigi sa fonctionne ?
[23:41] <F6AGV> tu décodes les trames ?
[23:41] <olivier58> du souffle
[23:41] <olivier58> oui en AM
[23:42] <olivier58> en FM du souffle et en FMW les trames
[23:42] <F6AGV> are you on F1SRC ?
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[23:44] <F6AGV> le décodage doit se faire en RTTY en haut à gauche
[23:44] <olivier58> ok
[23:45] <F6AGV> sinon tu prépares pour le 17 ou 18 le prochain vol, non ?
[23:45] <F6AGV> Mais ça ne viendra peut-être pas chez toi ?
[23:45] <olivier58> oui pourquoi pas parcontre en RTY ok 45,50 75N ou 75W
[23:46] <F6AGV> RTTY 50 BAUDS
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[23:47] <F5MVO> il faut installer DL-FLDIGI si tu veux decoder et RETRANSMETTRE sur le site le suivi du ballon, spécial pour les ballons
[23:49] <F6AGV> oui, je l'ai dit à OLIVIER58
[23:49] <F5MVO> good night all, great fly, congratulations at the Team
[23:49] <olivier58> ben vi ok mais bon je ne peux pas l'installer a moin de compiller le logiciel en format setup
[23:50] <olivier58> 5/8
[23:50] <F6AGV> 50 bauds, 7 bit ascii, no parity, 2 stops bits, shift 312 Hz http://alerte-radiosondes.blogspot.com/2012/03/actualite-ballons-radioamateurs.html
[23:50] <F6AGV> F5MVO QRT ?
[23:51] <F5MVO> ça vas pas tarder oui
[23:51] <F6AGV> OK, plus rien à faire de toute façon, très content de te contacter, à la prochaine !
[23:52] <F5MVO> 73 a+ boone nuit
[23:52] <F6AGV> 73 a+
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[23:58] <F6AGV> http://alerte-radiosondes.blogspot.com/2012/03/actualite-ballons-radioamateurs_11.html
[23:59] <NigeyS> ahh excellent, merci :-)
[23:59] <F6AGV> Yes it's a compilation
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