highaltitude.log.20120306

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[00:23] <NigeyS> Darkside
[00:23] <NigeyS> http://i.imgur.com/aHeOg.png .. requires sunglasses
[00:24] <Lunar_Lander> NigeyS: what is it :)?
[00:24] <NigeyS> thats ATS mk 2 :)
[00:24] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[00:24] <Lunar_Lander> is that the actual board colour?
[00:25] <NigeyS> close enough yup
[00:25] <Lunar_Lander> xD cool
[00:30] <griffonbot> Received email: Bob McNair "Re: [UKHAS] Digest for ukhas@googlegroups.com - 11 Messages in 1 Topic"
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[00:40] <Darkside> yellow?
[00:41] <NigeyS> yup
[00:41] Action: Lunar_Lander starts the Coldplay CD
[00:41] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[00:41] <NigeyS> its different! :D
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[00:47] <Lunar_Lander> xD yea
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[02:20] <schofieldau> Hey
[02:21] <SpeedEvil> hey
[02:21] <natrium42> My My
[02:22] <schofieldau> I'm new here and interested in high altitude balloons
[02:22] <SpeedEvil> Where are you?
[02:22] <schofieldau> In Adelaide, Australia
[02:23] <natrium42> sweet, Darkside is from there too
[02:23] <SpeedEvil> There are several australians involved.
[02:24] <natrium42> schofieldau: did you see project horus?
[02:24] <schofieldau> yep I did, I've been talking to Terry Baum via email
[02:25] <natrium42> he's here too under juxta
[02:25] Action: natrium42 pokes juxta
[02:25] <schofieldau> Australia's an interesting place because it pretty much necessitates the use of radio-based telemetery
[02:25] <schofieldau> for reliable recovery. GSM could be too spotty
[02:26] <natrium42> hehe
[02:26] <schofieldau> anyway I'll give you all the full story for context
[02:26] <natrium42> sorry, gotta run off for a while, welcome to the channel, schofieldau!
[02:26] <schofieldau> Alright then :)
[02:26] <schofieldau> I'll be on later during the day
[02:26] <SpeedEvil> For obvious reasons, many of the people that are UK/EU based and are in work, are asleep.
[02:26] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[07:44] <x-f> ooh, Raul's HAB with space shuttle on universetoday.com
[07:44] <x-f> he's got the publicity at last
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[08:27] <eroomde> jonsowman: ic-7000 window suction cup on the apex fb gallery
[08:27] <eroomde> link me up ho
[08:27] <costyn> eroomde: who you calling a ho?
[08:27] <costyn> ;)
[08:27] <jonsowman> one of them got it free with their ic-7000 off ebay
[08:27] <jonsowman> i'll ask them if they can find a brand/model etc
[08:29] <eroomde> yes yes please do
[08:29] <eroomde> i need it in my life
[08:29] <jonsowman> haha ok
[08:29] <Darkside> what?
[08:29] <Darkside> ic-7000 suction cup?
[08:30] <eroomde> yes
[08:30] <Darkside> >_>
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[08:46] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Digest for ukhas@googlegroups.com - 11 Messages in 1 Topic"
[08:47] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
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[08:49] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Digest for ukhas@googlegroups.com - 11 Messages in 1 Topic"
[08:55] <fsphil> what is that some kind of car dash board radio mount?
[08:59] <eroomde> yeah
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[09:04] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Digest for ukhas@googlegroups.com - 11 Messages in 1 Topic"
[09:11] <griffonbot> Received email: Rick Hewett "[UKHAS] Re: AERIALS ..."
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[09:15] <fsphil> I was looking for something similar for the 817, but nobody seems to make them
[09:16] <fsphil> which is odd for such a portable radio
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[09:21] <fsphil> ah right, the ic-7000 front panel is detachable - you're not mounting the whole radio
[09:21] <fsphil> http://www.lidomounts.com/catalog/item/8358276/9102903.htm
[09:22] <number10> looks like an expensive transciever
[09:22] <fsphil> they are
[09:26] <number10> more expensive that the FT-897D - at a quick glance the icom has internal filters
[09:27] <eroomde> sexier
[09:27] <number10> :)
[09:27] <fsphil> I went for the ft857 - it works with the sound card interface I have
[09:28] <fsphil> but the icom has a better screen
[09:28] <eroomde> i like the icom screen a lot
[09:28] <eroomde> a find the 857 front panel interface a little organic-looking and baroque
[09:29] <number10> I seem to remember darkside was saying that the ICOM user interface was beter than the Yaesu
[09:31] <eroomde> i would align myself with that
[09:32] <LazyLeopard> I've got an IC-706 for taking places. Nice easy to use rig with reasonable functions (for what I want to do).
[09:33] <LazyLeopard> The 817 weighs less, but is a nit more fiddly to use and has less functionality.
[09:33] <LazyLeopard> s/nit/bit/
[09:36] <fsphil> tis, though you get used to it
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[09:45] <griffonbot> Received email: Graham GW8RAK "[UKHAS] Re: AERIALS ..."
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[10:07] <cuddykid> still hasn't left HK :(
[10:08] <cuddykid> no chance of getting it this weekend then
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[10:18] <griffonbot> Received email: jules@g0nzo.co.uk "[UKHAS] Re: Digest for ukhas@googlegroups.com - 11 Messages in 1 Topic"
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[10:22] <gonzo_> ooops, now how did that subject change. I posted through the google group web page!
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[10:29] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Digest for ukhas@googlegroups.com - 11 Messages in 1 Topic"
[10:33] <cuddykid> ergh - APM2 delayed even longer - probably won't receive until end of next week at the earliest
[10:33] <UpuWork> ping daveake
[10:33] <fsphil> not going well
[10:33] <cuddykid> none of my shipments are going well at the moment!
[10:33] <UpuWork> fsphil how do I submit feature requests to Dl-fldigi ?
[10:33] <cuddykid> I'm currently sitting in limbo - nothing to do :P
[10:34] <daveake> pongy UpuWork
[10:34] <UpuWork> pm
[10:36] <griffonbot> Received email: Bob McNair "Re: [UKHAS] Digest for ukhas@googlegroups.com - 11 Messages in 1 Topic"
[10:37] <griffonbot> Received email: Rick Hewett "[UKHAS] Re: AERIALS ..."
[10:37] <daveake> mailing list busier than IRC today :p
[10:38] <LazyLeopard> Heh.
[10:39] <LazyLeopard> Just wish folks would trim the quotes, especially if they're getting the digest...
[10:39] <schofieldau> Hey everyone
[10:40] <gonzo_> I did trim on my post, but not a clue how the digest title got in
[10:40] <LazyLeopard> A thousand or more lines of guff for two or three new lines is not a helpful ratio. ;)
[10:41] <griffonbot> Received email: Adrian Hicks "Re: [UKHAS] Digest for ukhas@googlegroups.com - 11 Messages in 1 Topic"
[10:41] <costyn> LazyLeopard: agreed
[10:41] <cuddykid> lol
[10:41] <cuddykid> they're coming thick and fast
[10:41] <daveake> I predict more :)
[10:41] <LazyLeopard> That digest title got in when Bob McN replied...
[10:42] <gonzo_> aerial talk, every ham has their own views, held srtongly
[10:42] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "[UKHAS] Provisional Launch Notification 24th March"
[10:42] <UpuWork> oh hell yeah
[10:42] <LazyLeopard> Heh ;)
[10:42] <UpuWork> arguing with HAM's over antennas you may as well try convince a Jehovah's Witness to go Atheist
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[10:43] <cuddykid> UpuWork: if I put an order in the next hour - would you be able to ship it today? Would that arrive by Friday do you think?
[10:43] <UpuWork> what are you after ?
[10:43] <UpuWork> you can have it tommorrow before 10 if you want to pay for it
[10:43] <cuddykid> the max 6 plus pico breakout plus chip antenna
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[10:43] <UpuWork> yeah got those in stock
[10:43] <cuddykid> brill
[10:43] <UpuWork> assembled ?
[10:44] <cuddykid> no, I want to have a go at it myself (but this could be a bad bad decision!)
[10:44] <UpuWork> put the order in
[10:44] <UpuWork> I'll send you a knacker swift board so you can have a practice
[10:44] <UpuWork> knackered swift
[10:45] <cuddykid> ahh - I've just thought, do I need a decoupling cap for the max pico board?
[10:45] <UpuWork> yes
[10:45] <cuddykid> what size?
[10:45] <UpuWork> I can assemble it for you if you want or chuck the capacitor in
[10:45] <UpuWork> 0603
[10:46] <cuddykid> if I ordered, would you be able to just either pop a capacitor in or solder it on? As I haven't got any 0603s
[10:46] <UpuWork> I'll put some 0603's in for you
[10:46] <cuddykid> ahh cheers :D
[10:48] <fsphil> UpuWork, just create an issue in github
[10:50] <UpuWork> ok cheers
[10:51] <fsphil> jcoxon's branch is traditionally the main one, so probably best added to that one
[10:53] <navrac> I'm still loving your board upu - powered up and locked in 2 minutes in low power mode when it has a clear view of the sky
[10:53] <UpuWork> they seem to work well it gets 3 satellites in our basement
[10:53] <cuddykid> navrac: is that with the chip antenna?
[10:53] <navrac> yep, chip ante nna
[10:53] <cuddykid> nice
[10:53] <navrac> doesnt lock indoors though
[10:54] <UpuWork> http://g.co/maps/dm3k7
[10:54] <UpuWork> I'm in that building
[10:54] <UpuWork> in the lower windows
[10:54] <cuddykid> I'm thinking of the max/chip antenna for a solar balloon flight
[10:55] <UpuWork> obviously be aware its not been flight tested yet
[10:55] <cuddykid> yep
[10:55] <Laurenceb> UpuWork: id be interested in buying a max6 or two
[10:55] <Darkside> i'm still concerned by the chip antenna
[10:55] <navrac> well fingers crossed it will be going up on sunday - if the bits arrive in time#
[10:55] <UpuWork> feel free to put an order in Laurenceb
[10:55] <Darkside> i want to see you guys refly a payload a few times before i'll be convinced
[10:55] <Darkside> either that or get one properly thermally cycles and see if it cracks
[10:56] <Laurenceb> UpuWork: do you have a webstore?
[10:56] <navrac> well if you only solder one end will there be less force on it?
[10:56] <UpuWork> http://ava.upuaut.net/store
[10:56] <cuddykid> UpuWork: I don't suppose you have a NEO breakout board with sarantel?
[10:56] <Laurenceb> cool
[10:56] <UpuWork> navrac did discuss that, launching one one on the 24th
[10:56] <UpuWork> cuddykid, I don't have any PCB's left they are en-route from China
[10:57] <cuddykid> ahh ok, I'll check back in a year :P
[10:57] <UpuWork> I ordered them with UPS delivery
[10:57] <UpuWork> so they should be here in a week or so
[10:57] <cuddykid> oh - in that case it should be soon
[10:57] <UpuWork> Don't forget discount code UKHAS
[10:58] <cuddykid> is there much weight difference between your chip antenna board and sarantel board?
[10:58] <UpuWork> chip board is 1.5g all in
[10:58] <daveake> lots
[10:58] <cuddykid> :O
[10:59] <daveake> My entire tracker weighs about the same as an FSA03 :)
[10:59] <fsphil> you could fly that on a party balloon
[10:59] <cuddykid> wow
[10:59] <UpuWork> anyway if you want anything I'll be going to the post office at 12
[10:59] <cuddykid> the plan here is to fly on a solar balloon (one of those bin bag balloons lol)
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[10:59] <UpuWork> afk for a bit
[11:00] <cuddykid> ahh ok UpuWork - I'll have a quick think
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[11:06] <cuddykid> UpuWork: just to check before I click order - is the assembled max with chip available to be shipped at noon today?
[11:07] <UpuWork> yeah I can make one up
[11:07] <UpuWork> I'll go make one up
[11:08] <cuddykid> thanks - I'll place an order now :)
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[11:14] <cuddykid> ordered
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[11:18] <UpuWork> cheers
[11:19] <UpuWork> just testing it now
[11:28] <UpuWork> its a good one gets 4 satellites indoors ;)
[11:28] Action: daveake Sends his back for swappage ;)
[11:28] <UpuWork> lol
[11:28] <daveake> As you know I live in a GPS anti-woo-woo spot
[11:30] <Morseman_G0DJA> Any news about Falcon launch yet?
[11:32] <cuddykid> good stuff UpuWork :P
[11:33] <cuddykid> now that is what I want to do! -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cm529_sb_tube.jpg
[11:34] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave "Re: [UKHAS] Digest for ukhas@googlegroups.com - 11 Messages in 1 Topic"
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[11:37] <Upu> my IPv6 just went tits up
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[11:38] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Digest for ukhas@googlegroups.com - 11 Messages in 1 Topic"
[11:40] <costyn> cuddykid: sending big black phallic like objects into the air? :)
[11:40] <cuddykid> lol
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[11:41] <Morseman_G0DJA> Is that just air filled?
[11:41] <cuddykid> yep
[11:41] <costyn> yea solarballoonman mailed about it few days ago
[11:42] <cuddykid> much cheaper than helium
[11:42] <Morseman_G0DJA> Imagining severl people running round a field trying to fill it up!
[11:42] <cuddykid> :P
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[11:42] <costyn> Morseman_G0DJA: it's just garbage bags, so not that big (or that's what he was talking about in the email)
[11:42] <cuddykid> I am interested in how high it can go - hence sticking a tracker on it
[11:42] <Morseman_G0DJA> Off to get a sandwich ahead of poss launch time...
[11:43] <daveake> We'll need to update the "ISH" timezone to take into account the running-around bit
[11:43] <cuddykid> lol
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[11:43] <F5MVO> morning all
[11:44] <F5MVO> le ballon a décollé ?
[11:46] <schofieldau> Hey
[11:46] <schofieldau> Anybody here experienced with super-budget launches?
[11:47] <costyn> schofieldau: how budget are we talking?
[11:47] <cuddykid> don't think there is such a thing due to helium/balloon costs :(
[11:47] <schofieldau> like sub-200ish from scratch. (that may not even be considered budget idk)
[11:48] <costyn> schofieldau: 200 GBP or AUD?
[11:48] <schofieldau> AUD
[11:48] <Darkside> schofieldau: in austalia, not going to happen
[11:48] <Darkside> especially since you have to deal with casa and get permission to launch first
[11:48] <Darkside> and that costs $$$
[11:48] <schofieldau> yep I'm talking to them currently
[11:49] <griffonbot> Received email: jules@g0nzo.co.uk "[UKHAS] Re: Digest for ukhas@googlegroups.com - 11 Messages in 1 Topic"
[11:49] <Darkside> schofieldau: what state are you in?
[11:49] <schofieldau> SA
[11:49] <Darkside> o rly
[11:49] <Darkside> <-- Project Horus
[11:49] <Darkside> well, a member of
[11:49] <schofieldau> O rly
[11:49] <Darkside> ya rly
[11:49] <schofieldau> no wai!
[11:49] <costyn> lol
[11:49] <Darkside> :O
[11:49] <schofieldau> I've been talking to Terry
[11:50] <gonzo_> (SUPER HIGH, OR SUPER LOW BUDGET?!!)
[11:50] <Darkside> but yeah, sub-$200 is damn near impossible if you want to get your payload back
[11:50] <Darkside> gas + balloon is about $200
[11:50] <schofieldau> How much is just gas?
[11:50] <Darkside> then you have to design and build a tracking payload
[11:50] <Darkside> schofieldau: depends on the balloon, but usually about $100-150
[11:51] <schofieldau> arduino+radiometrix fm module+cheap dealextreme gps module
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[11:51] <Darkside> cheap DX modules wont go over 18km altitude
[11:52] <costyn> heh... there's a new tracking station on spacenear.us in Holland titled 'JIJDAAR' (youthere) and it's located at the Dutch meteorological institute
[11:52] <Darkside> schofieldau: are you a ham radio operator?
[11:52] <schofieldau> some of them will, they apply AND not OR logic to the ITAR rules
[11:52] <costyn> funny case of the pro's watching the amateurs
[11:53] <Darkside> schofieldau: which modules are you looking at?
[11:53] <schofieldau> and nope I"m not - do I need a HAM license?
[11:53] <Darkside> schofieldau: no you dont need a ham radio license for the radiometrix modules, but if you don't have one, it likely means you don't have the gear to receive the telemetry data
[11:53] <schofieldau> also, balloon: http://goo.gl/wTsSE
[11:54] <costyn> receiving gear is by far the most expensive in my experience :)
[11:54] <schofieldau> I know people with transcievers
[11:54] <schofieldau> whom I'm hoping will get involved/lend them to me
[11:54] <Darkside> schofieldau: pretty much you don't use FM
[11:54] <Darkside> we use 300 baud FSK
[11:55] <Darkside> with a 425Hz frequency shift
[11:55] <Darkside> gives us extremely reliably telemetry
[11:55] <schofieldau> hmm okay
[11:55] <gonzo_> useful to have rx kit at the launch site to check it's working. When it's in the air, you will be supprised ho many people there are around UK+ are to rx for you.
[11:56] <Darkside> around here we can probably help with tracking
[11:56] <schofieldau> :D
[11:56] <Darkside> as long as you stick to the standards
[11:56] <schofieldau> yep
[11:56] <schofieldau> read about that
[11:56] <schofieldau> forgot the name of it
[11:56] <gonzo_> 50bd is far more relieable from my tracking experience)
[11:56] <Darkside> gonzo_: feh
[11:56] <Darkside> we use 300 baud and have no problems
[11:57] <schofieldau> like the standard broadcast string
[11:57] <schofieldau> with comma seperated location,time, etc and a crc checksum
[11:57] <Darkside> yep
[11:57] <gonzo_> the last launch using 50 and 300 interleaved, I got the 50bd far quicker than 300
[11:58] <schofieldau> also as far as the CASA approval goes
[11:58] <schofieldau> do you know how much that costs on average?
[11:58] <Darkside> not 100%, i think it was a few hundred
[11:58] <schofieldau> hmmmm
[11:58] <schofieldau> darn
[11:58] <Darkside> you're a high school student, right?
[11:58] <schofieldau> yep
[11:59] <Darkside> we'll have to get you along on a launch sometime
[11:59] <schofieldau> that'd be fantastic!
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[11:59] <Darkside> we've got a few coming up
[12:00] <schofieldau> sounds good
[12:00] <Darkside> but yeah, ballooning on the cheap isnt really possible in australia
[12:00] <Dutch-Mill> Hi all I'm standby for tracking FALCON
[12:00] <Darkside> mainly due to the casa crap
[12:00] <F6AGV> Yes me too
[12:01] <schofieldau> I was hoping to be able to convince casa to reduce the fees
[12:01] <schofieldau> because of the whole high school student thing
[12:01] <fsphil> I think Falcon is a first-timer launch, it could be late
[12:01] <F6AGV> Jack F5APQ you are ready ?
[12:02] <Darkside> schofieldau: you might be able to
[12:03] <schofieldau> also with the GPS, if I can't get one that won't die at ITAR height
[12:03] <schofieldau> couldn't I just program the arduino to powercycle it if it loses lock
[12:03] <schofieldau> or some other condition
[12:03] <schofieldau> starts reporting errors
[12:03] <Darkside> it won't gain lock
[12:03] <Darkside> you want to be using a uBlox module
[12:03] <Darkside> we know they work, we use them on every flight
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[12:04] <PD3EM_work> hi all
[12:05] <schofieldau> hmm okay
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[12:05] <schofieldau> I'd probably do a backup telemetery using an android phone
[12:05] <Darkside> if your flight goes the way i'd expect it to, thats not going to help
[12:05] <schofieldau> (an 850mhz one for nextg)
[12:05] <Darkside> hrmm, that might
[12:05] <Darkside> but you won't need that
[12:06] <Darkside> if you launch on a day when we're free, then we should be able to help you track
[12:06] <PD3EM_work> Is the Falcon ready for launch?
[12:06] <schofieldau> that'd be great
[12:06] <Darkside> but yeah, you can't just launch in adelaide
[12:06] <schofieldau> I live in the hills
[12:07] <schofieldau> not sure if that's any better
[12:08] <schofieldau> as far as flight paths go
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[12:24] <Darkside> as theres lots of farmland to the east
[12:24] <Darkside> it gets harder when it gets to the conservation parks
[12:24] <Darkside> big desert, ngarkat
[12:24] <Darkside> they are both really hard to get through
[12:24] <Darkside> no roads
[12:24] <daveake> no roads in the North Sea either :p
[12:24] <Darkside> hehe
[12:24] <schofieldau> lol
[12:24] <fsphil> 50% recovery rate here, and I'm pleased with that :)
[12:25] <Darkside> fsphil: i think we're at 90%? :P
[12:25] <schofieldau> haha I saw that one that went in the ocean
[12:25] <Darkside> and we haven't lost a camera payload yet
[12:25] <schofieldau> just barely in the ocean wasn't it?
[12:25] <Darkside> schofieldau: bloody horus 8
[12:25] <daveake> 80% for me
[12:25] <schofieldau> or was that not horus
[12:25] <schofieldau> yeah
[12:25] <schofieldau> didn't you lose a GoPro on that?
[12:25] <Darkside> the one my final year project was on
[12:25] <Darkside> yep
[12:25] <Darkside> that was also the first use of the gopro
[12:25] <schofieldau> that SUCKS.
[12:25] <Darkside> and the bloody firmware screwed up
[12:25] <Darkside> we've flown gopros heaps since then
[12:26] <daveake> Ouch. I think you need to be pretty confident to fly £200-worth of camera
[12:26] <Darkside> daveake: it wasnt means to float
[12:26] <Darkside> this is why i want an operable cutdown
[12:26] <schofieldau> here I am worried about losing $100 of telemetery gear
[12:26] <Darkside> schofieldau: heh
[12:26] <schofieldau> but yeah initially for this project
[12:26] <schofieldau> I wanted to borrow a gopro
[12:26] <schofieldau> go to a wealthy school
[12:27] <schofieldau> not that I'm wealthy myself (hence the budget)
[12:27] <Darkside> yeeeeeah if you're going to fly a gopro then i'd be inclined to stick one of our trackers along for the ride
[12:27] <daveake> Thing is, a typical launch costs £200 in latex+helium+petrol anyway, so losing a tracker or couple of cheap cameras is small beer, even though it hurts
[12:27] <Darkside> juuuuust in case somethin ggoes bad
[12:27] <schofieldau> yeah, I've decided to go the cheapest ebay camera with hackable firmware instead
[12:27] <Darkside> canon something
[12:27] <Darkside> that can run CHDK
[12:27] <schofieldau> yep heard of that
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[12:28] <Darkside> you can get them fairly cheaply
[12:28] <daveake> I keep an eye out on those. I have 2 but I bid if a cheap one comes up
[12:28] <schofieldau> I have a kodak something laying around which would cut costs
[12:28] <schofieldau> if I could have
[12:28] <daveake> Which one?
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[12:28] <Darkside> you need to be able to set it to take photos automatically
[12:28] <schofieldau> a relay output on the arduino
[12:28] <schofieldau> yeah I know
[12:28] <Darkside> oh thats a bad way of doing it
[12:28] <schofieldau> to activate shutter
[12:28] <Darkside> CHDK is way better
[12:29] <costyn> CHDK ftw
[12:29] <daveake> I have a Kodak camcorder (my second - I lost one) for video. Not as agood as a gopro but a lot lot cheaper
[12:29] <costyn> Magic Lantern for the DSLRs is also awesome!
[12:29] <Morseman_G0DJA> Movement...
[12:29] <PD3EM_work> liftoff!
[12:29] <daveake> Chance of me flying one of my DSLRs is zero
[12:29] <schofieldau> also, this is exciting
[12:29] <schofieldau> the tracking going on in this channel
[12:30] <costyn> daveake: same, just this was on the topic of custom firmwares
[12:30] <schofieldau> assuming this is in the UK or US
[12:30] <Darkside> schofieldau: wait till you're in a car on a chase
[12:30] <schofieldau> because 11:00pm is a pretty awful time to be launching :P
[12:30] <daveake> Yeah, there's a lot to enjoy in this hobby ... electronics, firmware, building a payload, launching, chasing, tracking
[12:30] <Darkside> belgium this time
[12:30] <Darkside> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[12:30] <daveake> costyn Yeah
[12:31] <daveake> I like the chase bit best
[12:31] <Darkside> chase is so much fun
[12:31] <costyn> ah yea this is the payload under an professional meteorological balloon launched from the royal meteo institute
[12:31] <Morseman_G0DJA> Going up at a fair rate!
[12:31] <Darkside> we don't have as much of a speed issue in australia
[12:31] <Darkside> in the UK theres villages and stuff
[12:32] <PD3EM_work> looks like there's data coming on the waterfall
[12:32] <Darkside> here we often get to the landing site before the balloon does
[12:32] <costyn> interesting to see what the differences are with our superfloat9000's and such
[12:32] <daveake> From here most flights go towards cambs and there's a good motorway route thataway
[12:32] <Darkside> hah hes got a geiger tube
[12:32] <Darkside> that'll arc over at altitude
[12:33] <Darkside> didnt someone have that problem a while back?
[12:33] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... 9.4m/s ascent rate.... That should get to an audible height pretty quickly... if it doesn't burst first!
[12:33] <cuddykid> lol
[12:33] <Morseman_G0DJA> PD3EM_work what dial frequency you got?
[12:34] <SpeedEvil> Not if you put silicone over the connections.
[12:35] <schofieldau> geiger tube as in radiation counter of sorts?
[12:35] <schofieldau> what other kind of payloads are common
[12:35] <schofieldau> aside from the obvious being video
[12:36] <PD3EM_work> Morseman_G0DJA: 434.650 @ 1500 Hz
[12:36] <costyn> PD3EM_work: do you know who is the WDB station near Bergen op Zoom?
[12:36] <Morseman_G0DJA> Thanks - I will tune up a bit
[12:36] <PD3EM_work> costyn: geen idee / No idea
[12:36] <costyn> PD3EM_work: do you see the station JIJDAAR, zoom in on the map, see where it's located :)
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[12:36] <PD3EM_work> costyn: At KNMI De Bilt
[12:36] <costyn> PD3EM_work: yep :) guess they got a call from their Belgian counterparts. interesting no?
[12:36] <PD3EM_work> first signal on the waterfall at 1000m and first full decode at abt 2200 m altitude
[12:36] <Darkside> schofieldau: our standard telemetry payloads have position and temperature
[12:36] <Darkside> we've also flown pressure
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[12:37] <Darkside> we've also flown amateur radio repeaters
[12:37] <Darkside> which are good fun
[12:37] <schofieldau> cool
[12:39] <PD3EM_work> decoding works great while I'm still at work ;-)
[12:39] <costyn> suprising number of stations for a weekday :)
[12:39] <NickB1> indeed
[12:39] <costyn> PD3EM_work: ah, remote control of your rig?
[12:39] <NickB1> thanks all
[12:39] <PD3EM_work> costyn: yep, remote control now :-)
[12:39] <costyn> NickB1: how did the launch go? any problems before?
[12:40] <NickB1> no no problems
[12:40] <costyn> PD3EM_work: what software do you use?
[12:40] <NickB1> there do is another payload taped to the side my payload :)
[12:40] <NickB1> but only a camera in there
[12:40] <PD3EM_work> costyn: dl-fldigi ;-) and a VPN connection
[12:40] <costyn> PD3EM_work: ah :)
[12:41] <PD3EM_work> costyn: working remote on a PC in my shack
[12:41] <costyn> PD3EM_work: ah remote desktop?
[12:41] <PD3EM_work> costyn: so no audio with it at work, just the waterfall
[12:42] <costyn> almost looks as if there are more trackers on the continent than in the UK atm
[12:42] <PD3EM_work> costyn: yep RDP (and VNC)
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[12:44] <schofieldau> @Darkside: do you guys use arduinos as flight computers?
[12:45] <Morseman_G0DJA> I've heard of people Skyping audio across but latency is an issue
[12:45] <Darkside> schofieldau: original payload uses an arduino + shields, but current ones use custom PCBs
[12:45] <Darkside> still arduino compatible though, and we program them using the arduino IDE
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[12:46] <schofieldau> okay so like atmel something-or-others with arduino bootloaders on them?
[12:47] <PD3EM_work> back.. my browser crashed
[12:47] <Darkside> schofieldau: http://rfhead.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/MicroAPRS.jpg
[12:47] <Darkside> yeah
[12:47] <Darkside> well, i dont use the arduino bootloader
[12:47] <PD3EM_work> looks like a S9+ signal at home: http://yfrog.com/elwrtgj
[12:47] <Morseman_G0DJA> Ham Radio Deluxe supposedly will allow audio across internet but I could never get it to work
[12:47] <Darkside> A) only one hardware UART on the chips i use (ATMega238p), and thats tied to the GPS
[12:48] <Darkside> B) programming via bootloader means i need another pin header, and if i'm already going to program the bootloader onto the chip via ISP, i may as well use the ISP to program the chip normally!
[12:48] <schofieldau> UART, is that like the serial connection?
[12:48] <Darkside> yes
[12:48] <schofieldau> okay
[12:48] <Laurenceb> lur2stm32
[12:48] <schofieldau> complete newb to arduino
[12:48] <Darkside> Laurenceb: yeah yeah
[12:48] <Darkside> Laurenceb: you and your bloody STM32s
[12:49] <Darkside> they're massively overpowered for balloon payloads lol
[12:49] <Morseman_G0DJA> PD3EM_work have you truied Skype for audio? Like all these systems latency can be a problem though
[12:49] <Morseman_G0DJA> tryied
[12:49] <Morseman_G0DJA> Sorry - tried
[12:49] <eroomde> any noises daveake ?
[12:49] <zyp> Darkside, they are also ridiculously cheap for the power they pack
[12:50] <Darkside> zyp: yeah true
[12:50] <eroomde> and lower power
[12:50] <Darkside> yeeeeah yeah yeah i know
[12:50] <eroomde> and you can find a way to use them on balloons!
[12:50] <Darkside> i'll switch to them eventually
[12:50] <fsphil> join us Darkside
[12:50] <Darkside> at the moment i'm just sticking with what i know works for our payloads
[12:50] <fsphil> oh wait, I don't use them either
[12:50] <schofieldau> come to the darkside :P
[12:50] <daveake> eroomde rtty no farty yes
[12:51] <BrainDamage> there's even libmaple if you to go backwards and use arduino code
[12:51] <Morseman_G0DJA> What do people tink - will I get any audio at 10,000m?
[12:51] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Randall "[UKHAS] Re: Digest for ukhas@googlegroups.com - 11 Messages in 1 Topic"
[12:51] <daveake> Not set up ... busy working job tomorrow
[12:51] <Morseman_G0DJA> 10,000m even
[12:51] <fsphil> Morseman_G0DJA, maybe a bit higher
[12:51] <daveake> Join the dark side Darkside
[12:52] <Darkside> bhler
[12:52] <PD3EM_work> Morseman_G0DJA: I don't need the audio at the moment, I have the waterfall ;-)
[12:52] <Darkside> ok i need to sleep
[12:52] <Darkside> lots of writing to do tomorrow :(
[12:52] <Darkside> also haaaaaaackerspace
[12:52] <LazyLeopard> Dial position? Rv?
[12:52] <schofieldau> okay then :)
[12:52] <schofieldau> thank you for all your help by the way
[12:53] <fsphil> nite Darkside
[12:53] <schofieldau> g'night
[12:53] <Darkside> schofieldau: no probs, i'm usually around on this channel
[12:53] <LazyLeopard> PD3EM_work: What's your dial position? Rv setting?
[12:54] <PD3EM_work> LazyLeopard: Dial: 434.650 USB marker @ 1780 Hz
[12:54] Nick change: junderwood -> junderwood_M0JCU
[12:54] <LazyLeopard> Ok. Is the Rv button set or not?
[12:54] <junderwood_M0JCU> Dial freq 434649.6
[12:54] <junderwood_M0JCU> Still too weak to decode
[12:55] <junderwood_M0JCU> (just)
[12:55] <LazyLeopard> Ah. It's not set. I'm just beginning to see actual text...
[12:55] <fsphil> what's the altitude?
[12:56] <fsphil> (at work, can't spacenear.us:)
[12:56] <PD3EM_work> LazyLeopard: sorry, indeed not reversed
[12:56] <LazyLeopard> Just over 11km
[12:56] <Hix> 11364
[12:56] <Morseman_G0DJA> Wonder if people at FL-Digi could get the dial freq sent to Tracker?
[12:56] <fsphil> Morseman_G0DJA, that's one of the plans :)
[12:56] <Morseman_G0DJA> ;-)
[12:57] <fsphil> although every radio will be tuned slightly differently
[12:57] <fsphil> we can average it
[12:57] <LazyLeopard> 434.649.34 here
[12:57] <Morseman_G0DJA> I would then put a spanner in the works by using the 70cm<>28MHz transverter. :-)
[12:57] <LazyLeopard> Heh
[12:57] <PD3EM_work> Not only the dial freq is needed with the drift Need the center marker on dl-fldigi as well
[12:57] <test> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
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[12:58] <Morseman_G0DJA> Ooo a signal!
[13:00] <junderwood_M0JCU> First decode. 400 km on a discone
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[13:00] <Morseman_G0DJA> Just remembered to turn the recorder on as well!
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[13:01] <Morseman_G0DJA> Some characters but no decode as yet
[13:02] <LazyL_M0LEP> Ditto here
[13:02] <fsphil> dont' expect to receive this one at all
[13:03] <LazyL_M0LEP> This is where the yagi would help, if I had it somewhere where I could point it in the right direction and not try listening through three brick walls...
[13:03] <LazyL_M0LEP> Oh. Got one. ;)
[13:03] <Morseman_G0DJA> I think the cross polarization would take out the benefit of the extra gain
[13:04] <LazyL_M0LEP> Oh, my yagi's vertically polarised. ;)
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[13:07] <Morseman_G0DJA> Oh so near...
[13:07] <UpuWork> can see it
[13:08] <Morseman_G0DJA> Yae!
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[13:10] Action: daveake On too now
[13:10] <daveake> Just the little yagi hanging out the window. Fresh air is a bonus :)
[13:12] <kokey> is it me or are the winds not very strong today?
[13:13] <Morseman_G0DJA> No good decodes now but can still hear it
[13:13] <fsphil> that often happens
[13:14] <Morseman_G0DJA> gets about half way in and then random errors creep in
[13:14] <kokey> 2EUR on it landing in belgium
[13:14] <LazyL_M0LEP> Yeah, I'm getting a clean line no more than one time in ten
[13:15] <kokey> actually I can see a lot of live in play betting potential in this
[13:15] <LazyL_M0LEP> Probably nearer one time in twenty...
[13:15] <LazyL_M0LEP> Huh! And then four come along at once!
[13:16] <Laurenceb> http://www.skyworksinc.com/products.aspx?CategoryID=66
[13:16] <Laurenceb> ^looks useful
[13:16] <Laurenceb> LO at 1xF
[13:16] <Laurenceb> Darkside ^^
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[13:19] <Morseman_G0DJA> Hurray a decode
[13:19] <NigeyS> yey :)
[13:20] <costyn> lol me too!
[13:20] <costyn> first ones yay
[13:21] Action: costyn is doing it daveake style yagii out the window
[13:21] <daveake> Wonder what the neighbours think
[13:23] <costyn> nothing... they're at work
[13:23] Action: costyn has a "work at home" day ;)
[13:25] <Morseman_G0DJA> As it gets further south more hills in way for me
[13:25] <Morseman_G0DJA> I'm 'working from home' as well but I did start about 7am to make up
[13:25] <Morseman_G0DJA> Which isn't bad considering my cold...
[13:27] <Morseman_G0DJA> Green signal strength barely getting off the bottom here now
[13:28] <Morseman_G0DJA> Ooo a late bonus
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[13:29] <PD3EM_work_> got a full green signal bar here ;-)
[13:29] <costyn> Morseman_G0DJA: thats the green bar on the left right?
[13:29] <eroomde> just got crystal clear signal with a 1/4 wave whip
[13:29] <daveake> nice
[13:29] <F4EGX> Des traces de RTTY sur 434.650 SSB JN38VO Strasbourg
[13:30] <NigeyS> anyone speak french? :|
[13:30] <Morseman_G0DJA> 476.6 km - not too bad I guess
[13:30] <NigeyS> eroomde, what dial freq ?
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[13:31] <costyn> NigeyS: 434.649.60 is what i have
[13:31] <NigeyS> ah cheers costyn
[13:32] <NigeyS> oo to weak but audible
[13:32] <PD3EM_work_> Who's decoding at the KNMi? Got a clue yet costyn ?
[13:32] <costyn> man that was some great timing by the postman... just brought by the adapter to connect the yagi to the 817
[13:32] <fsphil> hah
[13:32] <costyn> PD3EM_work_: no clue :) NickB1 do you know?
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[13:33] <Morseman_G0DJA> Upu might get something soon?
[13:33] <NigeyS> hmm radiation 0CPM ? b0rked ?
[13:34] <fsphil> I'm surprised upu hasn't got anything already
[13:34] <Morseman_G0DJA> NigeyS not connected?
[13:34] <costyn> fsphil: My First Decodes :)
[13:35] <costyn> so exciting
[13:35] <NigeyS> Morseman_G0DJA, pass, weve seen radiation detectors fail at a certain altitude almost every time theyre used
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[13:35] <NigeyS> 14km ish jonsowman ?
[13:35] <jonsowman> roughly that
[13:35] <fsphil> sweet !
[13:35] <IW1DTU> GA
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[13:36] <NigeyS> jonsowman, any resolution on that btw, are they giving them another rework ?
[13:36] <jonsowman> not as far as i know
[13:36] <jonsowman> i think it's pressure related
[13:36] <NigeyS> ach thats a shame :(
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[13:36] <PD3EM_work_> Maybe Dutch-Mill has an idea who's decoding as jijdaar at the KNMI?
[13:37] <PD3EM_work_> welcome jijdaar !
[13:37] <UpuWork> I can see it
[13:37] <UpuWork> weak signal though
[13:37] <costyn> PD3EM_work_: NickB1 launched from the Belgian KNMI, so I imagine someone there called the Dutch KNMI :)
[13:37] <Morseman_G0DJA> 129 degrees a reasonable direction on 23cm here so guess nothing in the way :-)
[13:38] <daveake> Dunno if anyone is getting the same, but I often only get 2 or 3 of the "$"'s at the beginning, even though the rest of the sentence comes in nicely
[13:38] <UpuWork> 434649.650 ?
[13:38] <costyn> jijdaar: welkom! :)
[13:38] <daveake> So it's needing those $s to get in sync
[13:38] <NigeyS> is it still passing the line dave ?
[13:38] <daveake> Yep
[13:38] <fsphil> that's really annoying daveake
[13:38] <Morseman_G0DJA> Usually seeing 5 x $ here but corrupt characters somewhere in middle
[13:39] <NigeyS> eek
[13:39] <Morseman_G0DJA> Sorry! 6 x $...
[13:39] <daveake> It means the sentences don't line up on ths screen, which makes reading them looking for changes a bit tricky
[13:39] <eroomde> just ordered a colinear
[13:39] <eroomde> to be here tomorrow
[13:39] <Morseman_G0DJA> cant count today!
[13:39] <NigeyS> which 1 Ed ?
[13:39] <daveake> which one eroomde?
[13:40] <NigeyS> parrot! lol
[13:40] <eroomde> tried to hear the payload on the ground with a whip, nothing. climbed ontop of the building, clear as day
[13:40] <daveake> Shorter sentences win :D
[13:40] <eroomde> the watson
[13:40] <eroomde> 70cm/2m
[13:40] <daveake> altitude matters
[13:40] <UpuWork> good choice
[13:40] <UpuWork> $FA\CO,38c,13:50:32<050.7051,04.1042,25273,1l6,18,4.20*EBEF
[13:40] <NigeyS> eroomde, chuck it on a 10ft poll and you're laughing :D
[13:40] <UpuWork> its up there
[13:40] <UpuWork> for sure
[13:41] <daveake> 10m
[13:41] <eroomde> there is already a 12ft pole ontop of the test stand i had climbed
[13:41] <Morseman_G0DJA> That was strange... bad decode but didn't go red
[13:41] <NigeyS> oo
[13:41] <eroomde> so it'll be high up indeed
[13:41] <NigeyS> need to get mine put up soon!
[13:41] <Morseman_G0DJA> Just waiting to see Upu take the distance aware ;-)
[13:42] <Morseman_G0DJA> award
[13:42] <eroomde> i quite want to beat him :)
[13:42] <Morseman_G0DJA> 478.1 here
[13:42] <number10> you need to get a mansion on a hill eroomde
[13:42] <eroomde> but i don't think it'll happen, simple can't compete with LoS if you're not on a hill
[13:42] <daveake> This is the kind of thing I'm getting. All good decodes as far as I noticed: http://pastebin.com/dSHrNxJZ
[13:43] <eroomde> actully the thing blicking the horizon here is a mansion on a hill
[13:43] <eroomde> it's owned by a rosthchild or something so i doubt they'd be amenable to a knock on the door
[13:43] <number10> its not UpuWork mansion by any chance
[13:43] <UpuWork> signal is too weak Morseman_G0DJA
[13:43] <daveake> lol
[13:43] <UpuWork> sign
[13:44] <Morseman_G0DJA> Oh :-(
[13:44] <costyn> jijdaar: do you work at KNMI?
[13:45] <jijdaar> Yes, I do. (allaart@knmi.nl)
[13:45] <Morseman_G0DJA> Going to have to go and get Kate in a minute so I hope it doesn't drift too much - been quite good here on lack of drift
[13:45] <costyn> jijdaar: cool, haven't seen you on the map before :)
[13:46] <NigeyS> knmi ?
[13:46] <jijdaar> Correct, this is my first time.
[13:46] <PD3EM_work_> knmi = royal dutch metreorological institue
[13:46] <NigeyS> ohhhh, cool!
[13:46] <costyn> NigeyS: the pro's, instead of us amateurs :)
[13:46] <PD3EM_work_> welcome to the club jijdaar !
[13:46] <NigeyS> hah, schweet, welcome along jijdaar :-)
[13:47] <Morseman_G0DJA> Hello jijdaar :-)
[13:47] <UpuWork> needs more Yagi
[13:47] <PD3EM_work_> Falcon is still climbing fast
[13:48] <F4EGX> Weak RTTY sur 434.650 SSB JN38VO Strasbourg {FALCON,10,3:06:05,05050073,04.11977,r8103,1,4.3$,4,8,
[13:48] <UpuWork> thats a proper ascent rate
[13:48] <UpuWork> none of this 3.2m/s
[13:48] <daveake> lol
[13:48] <NigeyS> lol
[13:48] <NigeyS> any idea what balloon this is ?
[13:49] <daveake> 13 trackers ... doesn't anyone have any work to do? :p
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[13:49] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
[13:49] <Lunar_LanderU> sorry for being late
[13:49] <Lunar_LanderU> can see FALCON on the tracker
[13:50] <PD3EM_work_> daveake: I'm working and tracking remote ;-)
[13:50] <Lunar_LanderU> hello NickB1
[13:50] <number10> :( forgot to bring radio in
[13:50] <Lunar_LanderU> UpuWork: got your letter
[13:50] <NigeyS> daveake, compiling mysql can take a looong time .. ;)
[13:51] <Lunar_LanderU> hi NigeyS
[13:51] <NigeyS> hey Kev
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[13:52] <fsphil> good altitude
[13:52] <fsphil> for that ascent rate
[13:52] <fsphil> must be a big balloon
[13:52] <NigeyS> yeah, aint hydrogen by any chance is it ?
[13:52] <fsphil> I'm wondering that
[13:52] <daveake> probably is
[13:52] <fsphil> I think it's a met office launch
[13:52] <costyn> fsphil: it is
[13:52] <kokey> either big or hydrogen or both or not much wind or all of the above
[13:53] <costyn> so it's a proper balloon, none of this cheap Float-o-matic stuff we use
[13:53] <NigeyS> should make things interesting
[13:53] <daveake> 30km not bad
[13:53] <costyn> now if only NickB1 could tell us more details :)
[13:53] <NigeyS> 6.3m/s !
[13:53] <UpuWork> 30k with that ascent rate
[13:53] <fsphil> what's the dial freq. at the moment?
[13:53] <UpuWork> its going to pop
[13:53] <UpuWork> 31km max
[13:53] <LazyL_M0LEP> 434.649.8
[13:53] <costyn> fsphil: 434.649.60
[13:54] <PD3EM_work_> 434.650.900 @ 1200 Hz
[13:54] <NigeyS> 6.7m/s ...... pop soon pls ..
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[13:54] <daveake> 7.5m/s
[13:54] <fsphil> it's speeding up?
[13:54] <kglinka> awesome
[13:54] <kglinka> hm
[13:54] <kokey> maybe the KMI has large mylars
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[13:55] <fsphil> no signal, which is a shame as there is no QRM on 434.650 here at all
[13:55] <NigeyS> 31km @ 7.1 .. hrm
[13:56] <fsphil> lol
[13:56] <fsphil> did someone attach a rocket?
[13:56] <NigeyS> my thoughts exactly lol
[13:56] <UpuWork> be interested to know the stats on this one
[13:56] <NigeyS> 7.6 hah this is made of super latex ?!
[13:56] <number10> daveake: have you ever used a variable to hold the value of a port pin on CCS?
[13:57] <costyn> wonder what kind of balloon it is and what it costs :)
[13:57] <LunarLanderU> UpuWork: did you get my earlier notice concerning the letter?
[13:57] <daveake> number10 Probably. I can check
[13:58] <daveake> 32km
[13:58] <UpuWork> FALCON,448,13:57:53<050.49487,04.20175,32016,10,6.96,6.4,0*D931 almost..
[13:58] <jijdaar> We are using TOTEX TX1200 for this kind of flight. Don't know what KMI uses.
[13:58] <number10> I was wondering the data type you used - if its no problem daveake
[13:58] <UpuWork> I need to up the input volume but I'm remote
[13:59] <daveake> number10 I'll take a look
[13:59] <costyn> jijdaar: thx
[13:59] <fsphil> 32.5ish
[13:59] <fsphil> madness :)
[14:00] <Hix> That'll be a jetstream it hit then
[14:00] <NigeyS> at that altitude?
[14:00] <daveake> 33km
[14:01] <kokey> there must be not much else on that balloon if it's a totex 1200
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[14:02] <daveake> burst
[14:02] <fsphil> just passed my highest altitude
[14:02] <LazyL_M0LEP> burst
[14:02] <daveake> poop de pop
[14:02] <LazyL_M0LEP> ...or maybe not? Sure sounded like one...
[14:02] <daveake> hmmmm
[14:02] <fsphil> what
[14:03] <LazyL_M0LEP> Ah yes.
[14:03] <daveake> yeah coming down
[14:03] <NigeyS> -38m/s
[14:03] <kokey> yeah it's coming down
[14:03] <fsphil> it did a cartoon fall
[14:03] <daveake> lol
[14:03] <LunarLanderU> positive burst
[14:03] <LunarLanderU> xD
[14:03] <NigeyS> lol hard hats at the ready
[14:03] <kokey> yikes, falling fast
[14:03] <LunarLanderU> 33603 m
[14:03] <NigeyS> -52......
[14:03] <LazyL_M0LEP> Highest report line came through just after it burst...
[14:03] <LunarLanderU> 180 kph downwards
[14:03] <daveake> Yeah, because the data was built before the sentence started
[14:03] <LazyL_M0LEP> 33525 metres
[14:03] <LunarLanderU> ah it is braking now
[14:04] <NickB1> burst
[14:04] <kokey> I guess the KMI doesn't care much for parachutes ;-)
[14:04] <NigeyS> lol
[14:04] <LunarLanderU> funny how the predictor jumps from F to B and back
[14:04] <LunarLanderU> xD
[14:04] <fsphil> I didn't expect that altitude, that's quite impressive
[14:04] <jijdaar> Is the radiation sensor not working?
[14:04] <kokey> LunarLanderU: I put 2 EUR on BE, no takers tho
[14:04] <LunarLanderU> hello NickB, congratulations for passing 100,000 ft
[14:04] <LunarLanderU> yea
[14:04] <NigeyS> jijdaar, they seem to cut out at about 14km
[14:05] <LunarLanderU> kokey, jijdaar are you from BE?
[14:05] <costyn> LunarLanderU: jijdaar is Dutch, from the Dutch meteo office :) a pro in our midst :)
[14:05] <F4EGX> very weak now @ Strasbourg JN38VO
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[14:05] <jijdaar> no, no, I am looking over the fence.
[14:05] <kokey> nope, I just have a rather belgian name
[14:05] <LunarLanderU> cool
[14:05] <costyn> jijdaar: oh :)
[14:05] <daveake> One day DM will turn up :)
[14:05] <LunarLanderU> hello jijdaar
[14:05] <LunarLanderU> DM?
[14:05] <daveake> Danger Mouse
[14:05] <fsphil> we'd have to set +m daveake
[14:05] <NigeyS> daveake, haha yeah, a month late :p
[14:06] <daveake> lol
[14:06] <LunarLanderU> who is that guy btw?
[14:06] <kokey> I'm in the UK, my ancestors left belgium+nl around 1680 to South Africa
[14:06] <daveake> CAA man with permissions
[14:06] <LunarLanderU> ah
[14:06] <LunarLanderU> cool daveake
[14:06] <NigeyS> he's the CAA god / robot
[14:06] <LunarLanderU> :P
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[14:06] <kokey> I wouldn't like to be falling at 30m/s
[14:07] <NigeyS> would really mess my hair up :/
[14:07] <fsphil> Penfold does all the work though
[14:07] <PD3EM_work_> this gonna be a hard impact
[14:07] <LunarLanderU> well it will slow more
[14:07] <UpuWork> nah PD3EM
[14:08] <UpuWork> half the ascent rate at 10km = landing speed
[14:08] <LunarLanderU> NigeyS: no I don't think so
[14:09] <LunarLanderU> when I click along the track I see no counts at all from the geiger
[14:09] <costyn> 30 m/s is nothing
[14:09] <NigeyS> maybe it wasnt on the payload then
[14:09] <LunarLanderU> yea
[14:09] <LunarLanderU> course due south-west
[14:09] Action: costyn has done 80 m/s head-down but that was wearing a helmet so my hair was ok afterwards
[14:10] <PD3EM_work_> lol
[14:10] <LunarLanderU> XD
[14:10] <LunarLanderU> interesting
[14:10] <LunarLanderU> on the ascent the turn was at 27 km
[14:10] <LunarLanderU> the turn now is at 24 km
[14:11] <kokey> maybe the geiger is just logging, not broadcasting
[14:12] <Hix> that €2 on the BE landing looking good :)
[14:12] <costyn> hmph getting garbage now
[14:12] <costyn> need to get back to doing actual work anyways
[14:13] <costyn> good to know my setup works though.. pretty much the same as I'll be using in the chase car so that bit's tested
[14:14] <daveake> PD3EM_work_ highest reported descent speed from Buzz2 was 116m/s - 260mph
[14:14] <PD3EM_work_> that is fast!
[14:15] <daveake> The air was thin :)
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[14:15] <PD3EM_work_> haha and a lake now on the landing site ;-)
[14:15] <daveake> Lost here
[14:15] <PD3EM_work_> still getting a decoded signal
[14:16] <LazyL_M0LEP> Hmmm... Think I've seen the last of that one....
[14:17] <UpuWork> 5m/s landing
[14:17] <UpuWork> veru moce
[14:17] <UpuWork> very nice even
[14:18] <F5MVO> it brakes well
[14:18] <Hix> veru moce :D sounds like a village it's destined to land in
[14:18] <UpuWork> no idea why the prediction is off
[14:19] <UpuWork> that might still land in Belgium
[14:19] <kokey> how long before landing?
[14:19] <LazyL_M0LEP> The prediction track hasn't been updating at all.
[14:19] <kokey> 14:52 UTC about right?
[14:20] <Hix> it's moving but by a tiny amount
[14:20] <NigeyS> kokey, sounds about right yup
[14:22] <Hix> Upu, think I need another MAX6 on board
[14:22] <UpuWork> hey Hix
[14:22] <Hix> hey
[14:22] <UpuWork> no problems what you done with the first one ?
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[14:23] <Hix> killed it i think. Connnected it to the 3.3v pin and forgot that it'll only put out 60mA
[14:23] <Hix> and nothing happening now. good learning exercise....
[14:23] <NigeyS> that shouldnt kill the gps ?
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[14:24] <UpuWork> more likely to be the Arduino thats popped
[14:24] <daveake> yep
[14:24] <Hix> that's still responding to the serial monitor
[14:25] <Hix> and outputting volts to the breadboard
[14:25] <zyp> it's probably the 3.3V reg
[14:25] <zyp> do you still get 3.3V?
[14:25] <Hix> yup
[14:25] <UpuWork> post it back and I'll test it Hix
[14:25] <NigeyS> hix have you got a 3.3 ftdi cable you can connect it to ?
[14:25] <NigeyS> 3.3v*
[14:26] <Hix> not got a 3.3v ftdi but there is ftdi on the adafriut shield so that should trim it down to 3.3 from the pc/laptop
[14:27] <Hix> UpuWork, ok thanks, if I have killed it just let me know and I'll put a payment in for another.
[14:27] <Hix> Oh bugger - it's at home, cant do anything till friday.
[14:29] <UpuWork> bets on Falcon landing in Belgium ?
[14:30] <LazyL_M0LEP> Pretty good, I guess...
[14:30] <daveake> Well it went north at the start so it should do that at the end
[14:30] <Hix> I'm going BE
[14:31] <costyn> me too
[14:31] <costyn> at least it's not yet another North Sea splashdown
[14:31] <daveake> Yeah. What a failure :D
[14:32] <costyn> jijdaar: what yagi are you using?
[14:32] <costyn> jijdaar: and how high are you above ground level?
[14:32] <F5MVO> bye all, see you later
[14:32] <UpuWork> bye F5MVO
[14:33] <jijdaar> A VERY old TV antenna, and I am sonde 25 meters above the ground I think.
[14:33] <NigeyS> bye F5MVO
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[14:34] <costyn> jijdaar: ah nice :)
[14:34] <PD3EM_work_> jijdaar: still working great!
[14:35] <jijdaar> I think I bought the thing when I was 15, now I am 55.
[14:35] <daveake> Yippee I'm no longer the oldest here :)
[14:35] <costyn> lol
[14:37] <NigeyS> only as old as you feel :)
[14:37] <junderwood_M0JCU> Oops. Heading for the trees.
[14:37] <daveake> NigeyS That's OK then :)
[14:38] <NigeyS> that makes me 18 today
[14:39] <F4EGX> in forest ?
[14:40] <daveake> Looking very possible
[14:40] <costyn> is NickB in a chase car that he's stil recieving it?
[14:40] <daveake> Guess so
[14:40] <costyn> the fields behind the forest look perfect
[14:41] <F4EGX> aie aie aie...
[14:41] Action: LazyL_M0LEP trails jijdaar by a couple of years....
[14:41] Nick change: LazyL_M0LEP -> LazyLeopard
[14:41] Nick change: junderwood_M0JCU -> junderwood
[14:42] <LazyLeopard> Trees or water...
[14:42] <LazyLeopard> ...or power lines.
[14:42] <F4EGX> prepare ptzel jumar and grigri :)
[14:42] <daveake> Good flight so far ... decent ascent rate, impressive altitude considering, peerfect descent rate ....
[14:43] <junderwood> all it has to do now is land in the garden of that house right in the middle of the forest
[14:43] <daveake> :)
[14:43] <NigeyS> eugh hope he's got some ladders, or a chainsaw
[14:44] <LazyLeopard> ...and not in that lake...
[14:44] <F4EGX> no the lake
[14:44] <jijdaar> There seems to be very little wind now...
[14:44] <kokey> nice timing, just got back from lunch
[14:45] <costyn> I think it'll be ok, i don't think it's going to veer left
[14:45] <junderwood> nicely in the field.
[14:45] <daveake> yeah looking better now
[14:45] <costyn> although the lake is still possible
[14:45] <F4EGX> not on water
[14:45] <number10> thats a good combination a lake in a wood
[14:45] <F4EGX> i think all ok
[14:45] <costyn> F4EGX: yep
[14:46] <costyn> that was probably the last decode ; Nick has to be close
[14:46] <costyn> nice field
[14:46] <jijdaar> Googleeath says the ground is at 112 meter.
[14:46] <kokey> yikes
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[14:47] <F5APQ> Bye all
[14:47] <F4EGX> 73
[14:47] <NigeyS> bye F5APQ !
[14:47] <F4EGX> bye
[14:47] <costyn> F5APQ: bye, thanks for tracking
[14:47] <costyn> F4EGX: bye
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[14:51] <costyn> one more decode came in
[14:51] <PD3EM_work_> NickB must be realy close now!
[14:51] <costyn> yea
[14:51] <PD3EM_work_> I got to go...
[14:51] <PD3EM_work_> CUL
[14:51] <costyn> bye
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[14:52] <Morseman_G0DJA> Last decode here 490.7km
[14:52] <PD3EM_work_> '
[14:52] <SpeedEvil> Woo.
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[14:52] <NigeyS> hey speedy
[14:52] <SpeedEvil> And down?
[14:52] <SpeedEvil> Hey
[14:52] <Gnea> I see a pond
[14:53] <SpeedEvil> Oh - it's been down for a while, I see.
[14:53] <costyn> SpeedEvil: yes, in a nice a field
[14:53] <Hix> very close to a lake to make up for missing the channel :)
[14:53] Action: SpeedEvil fails. Congrats!
[14:53] <costyn> SpeedEvil: couple minutes
[14:53] <SpeedEvil> Lack of 'dithering' I guess means it's lost lock.
[14:55] <SpeedEvil> I guess even if that was a point in the air the GPS had locked to, it's still going to be in that field.
[14:55] <daveake> 148m up - he's probably quite close. Close to a road, in a field, not in a tree. Nice
[14:56] <SpeedEvil> If the above 112m ground is accurate - that's 30m, and it was going down faster than it was progressing.
[14:57] <daveake> Yeah
[14:57] <daveake> It'll be close to that point. Upside down probably
[14:57] <costyn> yea upside down, no gps lock but still antenna radiating out nicely I guess
[14:57] <SpeedEvil> Aha!
[14:57] <SpeedEvil> That's about bang on.
[14:58] <SpeedEvil> Unless it's been picked up.
[14:58] <costyn> wouldn't we see it moving then?
[14:58] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:58] <daveake> Right, off to colelct car from garage. See y'all later
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[14:59] <LazyLeopard> It's walking across the field...
[14:59] <SpeedEvil> ~1m/s - rough terrain.
[14:59] <NigeyS> lol
[14:59] <SpeedEvil> Anyone else get the occasional thought to zoom right in, and see the people moving.
[14:59] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[14:59] <costyn> )
[14:59] <NigeyS> i did try, didnt see any ducks on the lake lol
[15:00] <UpuWork> lol @ the payload moving
[15:00] <fsphil> we're almost in the future, but not quite
[15:00] <eroomde> wow radioworld are amazing
[15:00] <SpeedEvil> Heh. I was about to comment. 'Silly google - more bogus roadnames'.
[15:01] <SpeedEvil> Then I realised it was in France.
[15:01] <UpuWork> almost as amazing as their website eroomde
[15:01] <eroomde> you order and then about 5 minutes later get an email saying 'order update: processing' then three minutes later 'order update: dispatched. with you tomorrow'
[15:01] <UpuWork> I ordered a bunch of stuff today but Radioworld didn't stock most of it so got it from M-W
[15:02] <eroomde> i am looking forward to getting this antenna up tomorrow
[15:02] <eroomde> as i say, i went up on the roof of a test stand (at the foot of the mast of the test stand) with a 1/4 wave whip and it was clear as day
[15:02] <eroomde> but i couldn't hear it at all on the ground 4m below
[15:02] <eroomde> and the tower is another 4m and surrounded by clear air
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[15:03] <fsphil> I've a feeling if I put a yagi directly under my colinear, it wouldn't receive anything
[15:03] <fsphil> hiya NickB1
[15:03] <NickB1> recovered!
[15:03] <fsphil> congrats!
[15:03] <costyn> NickB1: nice flight! and congrats on the recovery
[15:03] <eroomde> nuce one NickB1
[15:03] <LazyLeopard> Yay :)
[15:03] <eroomde> congrats
[15:04] <NickB1> thx!
[15:04] <costyn> text-book flight if you ask me :)
[15:04] <NigeyS> congrats nick
[15:04] <NickB1> a big relief :)
[15:05] <Hix> good effort
[15:06] <x-f> great heights and nerve tickling landing
[15:07] <UpuWork> congrats Nick
[15:07] <UpuWork> when you get back can we have a debrief on balloon, lift etc
[15:07] <UpuWork> and landed in Belgium
[15:07] <UpuWork> just :)
[15:11] <NigeyS> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/06/lego_shuttle/
[15:11] <NigeyS> whos was that? :|
[15:11] <costyn> NigeyS: Raul
[15:11] <NigeyS> ahhh
[15:11] <costyn> NigeyS: i just found out yesterday too :)
[15:15] <NickB1> ok UpuWork, heading back now
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[15:20] <gonzo_> that was not a bad final frame, 147mtrs
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[15:28] <F6AGV> Hello NICKB youy are here ?
[15:29] <UpuWork> he's on the way back F6AGV
[15:29] <F6AGV> Who is going to find FALCON ?
[15:29] <UpuWork> it has been located
[15:29] <UpuWork> and is on its way back now
[15:29] <UpuWork> 15:03] <NickB1> recovered!
[15:30] <F6AGV> Yes 50.34211N 4.14169E
[15:30] <cuddykid> looks like a good flight
[15:30] <cuddykid> shame I was in lectures for most of it!
[15:30] <F6AGV> RECOVERED that is in the pocket ?
[15:31] <SpeedEvil> yes, it's been found.
[15:31] <F6AGV> Super I'm very glad for that
[15:32] <cuddykid> UpuWork: did the board make the post today?
[15:33] <F6AGV> is it possible to receive any pictures, start and recovery ?
[15:34] <cuddykid> possibly F6AGV - when NickB1 gets back he will probably upload any pictures he has
[15:34] <F6AGV> Yes send info on f6agv@free.fr box thanks
[15:36] <F6AGV> again a good time with a good balloon, congratulations to all and NICKB !
[15:38] <F6AGV> good evening and see you next balloon !
[15:38] <F6AGV> 73 from CALAIS !
[15:38] <Hix> cu F6AGV
[15:38] <F6AGV> bye
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[15:40] <costyn> hehe those French guys have a funny accent
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[15:46] <eroomde> jonsowman: Randomskk ping
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[16:12] <UpuWork> Chris Hillcox found his way on here yet ?
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[16:14] <cuddykid> he commented on my blog earlier
[16:14] <eroomde> who he?
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[16:14] <fsphil> I still don't like the term 'blog'. I'm getting fussy in my old age I think :)
[16:15] <UpuWork> yeah and mine
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[16:17] <nigelvh> You could call it a blag, or a weblog, or an internet journal
[16:17] <Hix> cuddykid, what's your "Blog" URL?
[16:17] <cuddykid> yeah - I'm not a fan of "blog" either tbh
[16:17] <cuddykid> Hix: http://habe.acudworth.co.uk
[16:17] <fsphil> blog roll
[16:18] <cuddykid> then http://habe.acudworth.co.uk/blog for the "blog" :P
[16:18] <cuddykid> eroomde - he's got a blog going that's reporting on all launches, a little run down of each launch
[16:19] <Hix> :D fsphil , cheers cuddykid
[16:19] <Hix> Chinapost turned up yet cuddykid?
[16:19] <cuddykid> no - so frustrated lol
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[16:19] <cuddykid> and I was told this morning my APM2 probably won't get here before end of next week at the earliest!
[16:20] <cuddykid> Hix: still hasn't left HK - latest update -> "the item is being processed for departure from Hong Kon"
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[16:23] <cuddykid> on a plus note - I may have a potential buyer for my iPad 1 - day before the next one comes out :P
[16:25] <costyn> cuddykid: nice... i'm still blown away about how nice the iphone 4(s) "retina" screen is ; would be cool if the ipad 3 got it too
[16:26] <eroomde> was there a resolution to the recent discussion about who stocks the same microsd connector as sparkfun, in the uk?
[16:26] <eroomde> i'm taking rhe ipad plunge tomorrow
[16:26] <fsphil> ah, you can browse your blog on your ipad
[16:26] <cuddykid> same - I'm still blown away by how good the iPhone 4 is almost 2 years on - very impressed :P
[16:27] <cuddykid> still works an absolute treat
[16:27] <nigelvh> I second that. I've got the iPhone 4, and love it.
[16:27] <costyn> cuddykid: i got mine 2nd hand and it was an early model and it suffers from the death grip, kind of annoying but you don't hold it that way when you call, so no deal breaker
[16:28] <costyn> i'll exchange it for a iphone 5 if and when that comes out
[16:28] <eroomde> i want the ipad for pdf consumerating
[16:28] <nigelvh> I live in Seattle, which has pretty good coverage, so I've never been able to totally drop signal with the death grip, but I can reduce it a bit.
[16:28] <eroomde> as a second monitor
[16:28] <eroomde> and to absorb much more internet than i currently do
[16:28] <cuddykid> I've never really had a problem with the death grip
[16:28] <cuddykid> will probably upgrade to the "5" or whatever when it comes out
[16:28] <fsphil> is that healthy eroomde? :)
[16:29] <nigelvh> I use my iPad a lot for watching a show in bed before heading to sleep.
[16:29] <costyn> cuddykid: does yours not have it? if I hold it a certain way, bars soon drop to 0 and then 'No Service'
[16:30] <costyn> my wife is the sole user of ipad in our house, which frees up the macbook for myself, a good deal if you ask me :)
[16:30] <cuddykid> costyn: only if the signal is weak to begin with - but I've never really had an issue
[16:30] <nigelvh> I also use mine a lot for remote desktop. I'll VPN to my server at home, and remote desktop to my systems.
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[16:31] <eroomde> mmm that's very nice
[16:32] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Digest for ukhas@googlegroups.com - 11 Messages in 1 Topic"
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[16:32] <eroomde> i wish people wouldn't reply to digest messages
[16:33] <cuddykid> got a buyer! £280 for iPad 1 32gb wifi - not bad :P
[16:33] <eroomde> wow nice
[16:33] <eroomde> that's held its value rather well
[16:33] <cuddykid> yep
[16:33] <cuddykid> I find that with apple products
[16:33] <cuddykid> often it can be only another £50 or so to "upgrade"
[16:34] <cuddykid> provided you flog it before the next one comes out :P
[16:34] <cuddykid> got to cycle 3 miles to meet the guy now
[16:35] <priyesh> NigeyS: GPS arrived this morning :D - the pink gaffer tape is just excellent!
[16:35] <UpuWork> get payment before you set out
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[16:36] <cuddykid> UpuWork: getting payed in cash - just spoke to the guy, he seems to be ok
[16:37] <cuddykid> apparently he'll be in a silver porsche
[16:37] <eroomde> lol
[16:37] <costyn> cuddykid: good luck :)
[16:37] <eroomde> 'he sounds ok'
[16:37] <cuddykid> lol
[16:37] <eroomde> 'he'll be in a silver porsche'
[16:37] <cuddykid> meeting him at the gym after his work
[16:38] <eroomde> he sounds like a groomer
[16:38] <fsphil> he sounds like someone who'd already own an ipad or iphone
[16:38] <costyn> eroomde: groomer?
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[16:39] <Upu> cuddykid has he paid you already ?
[16:39] <cuddykid> Upu: no - cash there
[16:39] <Upu> be careful take someone with you
[16:39] <Upu> sounds dodgy as
[16:40] <fsphil> yea just thinking that
[16:40] <cuddykid> yeah - I will
[16:40] <cuddykid> it's at David Lloyd in Aspley :P
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[16:42] <cuddykid> right - bbl
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[16:45] <Laurenceb> take so KY with you
[16:45] <Laurenceb> *some
[16:45] <eroomde> Laurenceb: did you ever find a uk supplier for the microsd card from sparkfun?
[16:45] <eroomde> or was it someone else?
[16:45] <Laurenceb> huh
[16:46] <Laurenceb> you mean the sockets?
[16:46] <Laurenceb> uSD card slots
[16:46] <Laurenceb> or whatever you call them
[16:46] <eroomde> yes
[16:46] <Laurenceb> yeah there literally tons
[16:46] <Laurenceb> about 10 or more compatible ones
[16:46] <Laurenceb> just a sec
[16:47] <Laurenceb> i have RS720-6016
[16:47] <Laurenceb> on my desk
[16:48] <Laurenceb> its not ideal - tends to misalign slightly in the oven
[16:49] <Laurenceb> i also have some farnell 1654360
[16:49] <Laurenceb> but no longer stocked
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[16:49] <eroomde> ok
[16:50] <Laurenceb> that works nicely in reflow oven
[16:50] <eroomde> so (this isn't sarc, just being clear) one that is no longer availabl;e and one that isn't quite right?
[16:50] <Laurenceb> yeah
[16:50] <Laurenceb> but there are more....
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[16:50] <Laurenceb> you need to search, i forget sorry
[16:53] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Digest for ukhas@googlegroups.com - 11 Messages in 1 Topic"
[16:54] <eroomde> oh oliver
[16:55] <eroomde> make de peyer higher
[16:55] <Laurenceb> http://uk.farnell.com/global-connector-technology/mem2060-01-190-00-a/memory-card-connector-sd-8pos/dp/1799070
[16:56] <Laurenceb> http://uk.farnell.com/molex/500873-0806/connector-transflash-push-push/dp/1572016
[16:56] <Laurenceb> theres probably more.. im bored
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[16:58] <SpeedEvil> Progress on 4120?
[17:00] <Laurenceb> hallam has some
[17:00] <Laurenceb> is posting
[17:00] <eroomde> Laurenceb: that 2nd one is perfect
[17:00] <eroomde> thank you siree
[17:00] <SpeedEvil> ah
[17:00] <Laurenceb> my RS ones work
[17:00] <Laurenceb> just moved over slightly in the reflow.. not sure if its the footprint
[17:01] <Laurenceb> misaligned by about 0.2xpad width
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[17:08] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=woTCsNNfYEE#! - Spacex tweets cool stuff.
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[17:10] <PD3EM> Have you seen this Lego Space Shuttle on a HAB? http://www.youtube.com/watch?hl=en&v=bluQ4eOeBwo&gl=US
[17:11] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave "[UKHAS] Patch Antennas"
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[17:16] <daveake> Falcon recovered?
[17:17] <PD3EM> daveake: it looks like it that NickB has recovered it
[17:17] <eroomde> yes
[17:17] <daveake> excellent
[17:17] <daveake> Ah I see it walked to the road :D
[17:17] <daveake> Missed the forest and the lake :)
[17:18] <jonsowman> eroomde: pong
[17:18] <PD3EM> by just a few meters!
[17:18] <LazyLeopard> Indeed. And, I suspect, the boggy corner of the field by the lake, too. ;)
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[17:19] <NigeyS> priyesh, glad you liked it lol
[17:19] <priyesh> NigeyS: :D
[17:19] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave "[UKHAS] Vertically polarised horizontal loop"
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[17:26] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[17:26] <Lunar_Lander> guess what happened earlier on
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[17:27] <number10> you went to aldi?
[17:27] <Lunar_Lander> I was in that computer room at uni
[17:27] <Lunar_Lander> and talked to you here
[17:28] <Lunar_Lander> suddenly, the screen went black and all PCs just stopped
[17:28] <Lunar_Lander> in the hallway, the emergency lights were on
[17:28] <Lunar_Lander> and all the other offices were cut off from power too
[17:28] <Lunar_Lander> later I learned that some guy in the botanical garden hit a 10 kV-line with an excavator
[17:31] Action: Lunar_Lander kicks the excavator
[17:31] <Lunar_Lander> that one guy who guessed that the balloon lands in BE was right
[17:31] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[17:31] <Lunar_Lander> jibbily: was that you?
[17:34] <kokey> I said I put 2EUR on it ;-)
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[17:34] <jibbily> i didn't do it
[17:34] <kokey> I think I should set up a betting exchange for it
[17:35] <kokey> or perhaps russss can organise that
[17:35] <kokey> not sure how it will work, we'll have to have some borders, and things like water, road, field, tree, etc.
[17:35] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[17:39] <Lunar_Lander> but it was a good flight nevertheless
[17:41] <cuddykid> back from my wheeling and deeling
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[17:42] <Lunar_Lander> hi cuddykid
[17:42] <cuddykid> no money, no ipad
[17:42] <cuddykid> hi Lunar_Lander
[17:42] <Lunar_Lander> cuddykid: I just explained that an excavator ended my previous visit during the descent of FALCON
[17:43] <cuddykid> oh wow lol
[17:43] <cuddykid> ping jonsowman
[17:43] <Dan-K2VOL> nice kevin
[17:43] <Lunar_Lander> as you can read in the backscroll
[17:43] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[17:44] <jonsowman> hi cuddykid
[17:44] <cuddykid> hiya - was just wondering if you had any microSD sockets lying around?
[17:44] <jonsowman> oh i completely forgot, sorry
[17:44] <jonsowman> will have a look tomorrow
[17:44] <jonsowman> remind me tomorrow
[17:44] <cuddykid> no problem at all - there's no rush as these pcbs are taking forever :P
[17:44] <cuddykid> ok, if I remember! haha thanks :)
[17:45] <Lunar_Lander> what happens btw when you hit a 10 kV line with an excavator?
[17:45] <Lunar_Lander> wouldn't the voltage run through all of the machine?
[17:45] <eroomde> all the bits for hedgehog are now ordered
[17:46] <daveake> Will you be adding a hibernation mode?
[17:46] <jonsowman> :P
[17:47] <eroomde> probably yes
[17:47] <cuddykid> and "prickly" mode - to stop unwanted hands from picking up the payload
[17:47] <eroomde> it has an isolated uart for talking to the outside world
[17:47] <eroomde> so you can't damge it
[17:47] <eroomde> that's the prickliness
[17:48] <daveake> Lend it to cuddykid. He'll damage it :p
[17:48] <cuddykid> lol
[17:48] <cuddykid> yes - nothing is safe :P
[17:48] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:49] <cuddykid> lol, one of the £20 notes has "Danny Danger 2K11" written on it
[17:49] <Lunar_Lander> XD
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[17:51] <cuddykid> I don't feel exactly safe walking around with this much cash - annoying the bank closes so early
[17:54] <Lunar_Lander> Upu: I just took the GPS out of the letter
[17:54] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[17:54] <Upu> enjoy Lunar
[17:55] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
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[17:55] <cuddykid> I guess mine will come either tomorrow or day after :D - can't wait
[17:55] <cuddykid> sad I know..
[17:55] <Lunar_Lander> so the radome must be put over the antenna section
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[17:55] <Upu> posted tonight, and yours eroomde so should be there tomorrow
[17:55] <Upu> yes I left it unglued
[17:56] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[17:56] <cuddykid> Upu: great service thanks :D
[17:56] <Upu> nps
[17:56] <Lunar_Lander> btw, there is a GUI for it, right?
[17:56] <Upu> gui ?
[17:56] <Lunar_Lander> where I have to program it to airborne mode and stuff
[17:56] <Lunar_Lander> ah Sparkfun has a GPS Viewer for the Venus GPS on their site
[17:56] <daveake> Use jcoxon's code in the wiki
[17:56] <Lunar_Lander> and I think I read that ublox has something similar
[17:56] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[17:57] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:falcom_fsa03
[17:57] <Upu> those commands work
[17:57] <Upu> via serial
[17:57] <Upu> not used the ublox software
[17:57] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[17:58] <Lunar_Lander> hm I have to wire up the GPS to the FTDI breakout I have?
[17:58] <Upu> remember thats 3.3v
[17:58] <Upu> err
[17:58] <daveake> You send the commands at startup fro your flight computer
[17:58] <Upu> 5v
[17:58] <Lunar_Lander> ah so they have to be in the program?
[17:59] <cuddykid> daveake: is it every time it boots the commands have to be sent? Or does it store them in memory?
[17:59] <Upu> yeah it doesn't keep the settings
[17:59] <Upu> everytime
[17:59] <Upu> unless you have battery I suspect
[17:59] <cuddykid> ok
[17:59] <daveake> It's easy enough to do.
[17:59] <cuddykid> yep
[17:59] <daveake> Just add it to the init code
[17:59] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[18:00] <Lunar_Lander> the setup block is quite big
[18:00] <Lunar_Lander> as I see it
[18:00] <Lunar_Lander> I almost missed that the loop command is very small
[18:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:01] <cuddykid> does it work well with tinyGPS library?
[18:01] <cuddykid> oh - just seen the bottom of the page :)
[18:01] <daveake> I don't use that but I can't see why not
[18:02] <Lunar_Lander> "Here's a copy of the TinyGPS library by Mikal Hart modified to decode the polled Ublox sentence containing everything likely to be needed for high altitude ballooning. A new method sats() has been added, which will return the number of GPS satellites currently being tracked by the module. "
[18:03] <Lunar_Lander> what does that mean exactly?
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[18:04] <daveake> Exactly what it says ... the library has been modified so you can ask it how many satellites are in view
[18:04] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:04] <Lunar_Lander> but I still have to put in all the things from the sample code to initialize the module?
[18:05] <daveake> You need to set flight mode.
[18:05] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[18:05] <daveake> Potentially you need to switch on GGA and RMC sentences but IIRC those are already sent by default
[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> in the example he switches off RMC
[18:06] <daveake> You may also want to switch off sentences that you aren't using. My code does that - when it sees one it doesn't use, it sends the command to switch it off
[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:06] <daveake> Well I always use RMC and GGA. Between them you get position, speed, direction and altitude
[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> that is good
[18:08] <daveake> But there's overlap between sentences, and you don't have to use those 2 if you can get what you want with a different set
[18:08] <Lunar_Lander> yes
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[18:08] <Lunar_Lander> I think 3D position, speed and course are needed
[18:08] <daveake> I don't know which ones TinyGPS uses
[18:10] <daveake> http://aprs.gids.nl/nmea/ is helpful
[18:11] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[18:11] <Lunar_Lander> GLL is definately needed
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[18:12] <cuddykid> is anyone else interested in flying a solar ballon in the near future?
[18:13] <chris_99> what's that out of interest, a ballon with a payload with solar panels or something else
[18:13] <Lunar_Lander> OK as I get it daveake, Upu I need to switch the module to airborne mode and then have to switch off the unneeded sentences
[18:13] <daveake> 1st bit yes; 2nd bit optional
[18:13] <zyp> are you using NMEA?
[18:13] <daveake> I do switch them off, but you could just ignore them
[18:13] <cuddykid> chris_99: it's simply a chain of bin bags - then the sun warms the air inside and it rises
[18:14] <Lunar_Lander> zyp: one moment
[18:14] <chris_99> ooh interesting
[18:14] <daveake> NMEA to receive, UBX commands to program the UBlox
[18:15] <Lunar_Lander> like in "Polling the Module"?
[18:15] <zyp> but still UBX commands over NMEA, right?
[18:16] <zyp> in other words; not over UBX binary protocol
[18:16] <daveake> I don't do the polling. I send commands to tell the UBlox to continuously send RMC and GGA, and it tell it not to send anything else
[18:16] <daveake> Those commands sent are in the binary UBX protocol
[18:17] <zyp> you can send binary even though you receive ascii?
[18:17] <daveake> yes
[18:17] <zyp> oh
[18:17] <cuddykid> an interesting possible solar balloon flight - http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=cb7f06c2dcdd3fc58f1d389e0e8ab1d62d4ae34b
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[18:18] <cuddykid> oh actually - maybe not - that lasts for 23hrs :P
[18:19] <daveake> Gives you time to get there ...
[18:19] <Lunar_Lander> daveake: do you maybe have the code somewhere?
[18:19] <cuddykid> yeah, but come nightfall the balloon will plummet :P
[18:20] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:20] <cuddykid> decision time - whether to pop a cutdown on or not - if I have a cutdown then that requires a chute (adds massive weight) - if not, it'll float until evening
[18:21] <cuddykid> I suppose a mid afternoon launch would with very low winds would be good
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[18:23] <daveake> Lunar_Lander Like I said it's basically some of the commands that jcoxon covers in his wiki article. I turn off unwanted sentences as I receive them. Like this - http://pastebin.com/qdj2g41k
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:24] <daveake> Separately I set the aircraft mode
[18:25] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[18:25] <cuddykid> lol http://news.sky.com/home/strange-news/article/16183343
[18:26] <Lunar_Lander> why exactly is all in else if commands?
[18:26] <daveake> http://www.tutorialspoint.com/ansi_c/c_control_statements.htm
[18:27] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:28] <Lunar_Lander> and the GPSBuffer statements?
[18:28] <daveake> GPSBuffer is the buffer for my incoming GPS sentence
[18:28] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:28] <Lunar_Lander> so a buffer is needed too?
[18:28] <daveake> Yes
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[18:29] <daveake> You listen to the incoming characters, look for a "$" and build up the entire string till you get to the end. Then check the checksum, and if it passes then look to see what sentence it is
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> on the ground or onboard?
[18:30] <daveake> We're talking about the flight computer s/w
[18:30] <daveake> Well I am anyway ... :p
[18:30] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I also want to talk about the flight computer
[18:31] <daveake> As Upu said earlier, the UBlox needs to be programmed like this by the flight computer after power-up.
[18:31] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> so the commands go into the setup section
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> or so
[18:32] <daveake> This is different to (e.g.) the Lassen IQ where you can plug it into a PC with a 3.3V FTDI adapter, run the Trimble software and set what modes/sentences/etc you want
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> or that GPS Viewer for Venus
[18:32] <daveake> Well, like I said, I do it from loop() but yes the normal way would be to send the UBX commands from init()
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> but well, that had no real functionality but viewing
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:33] <cuddykid> setup()
[18:33] <daveake> I program too many different things to rememver :)
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> yea, setup() in arduino
[18:33] <daveake> b
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:33] <cuddykid> :P
[18:34] <Lunar_Lander> so I basically say
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[18:34] <Lunar_Lander> "Switch on airborne mode. Switch off that and that sentence"
[18:34] <cuddykid> void setup() { pin declarations etc; uBlox commands; }
[18:34] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:34] <daveake> Aircraft yes. Switching off - up to you. Switch them off or just ignore them and let them happen
[18:34] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:35] <cuddykid> it runs at 4hz right?
[18:35] <daveake> You can control that too
[18:35] <fsphil> I just ignore the other strings
[18:36] <daveake> My code ignores them too, it just seems to my little brain that I might as well stop them at source
[18:36] <Upu> just cut and paste jcoxons' examples
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[18:36] <fsphil> I would suggest sending the command to put it into aircraft mode more than once during the fligh
[18:36] <fsphil> +t
[18:36] <Upu> I check for success and reissue if its not taken it
[18:36] <daveake> Yes, I do. I send it if I think the GPS has reset
[18:37] <fsphil> I think mine sends it after each image, so about every four minutes or so
[18:37] <Lunar_Lander> so the commands that jcoxon put into the setup should be repeated
[18:38] <Upu> that necessary ? I've not done it
[18:38] <fsphil> probably not
[18:39] <Lunar_Lander> well but you said that you repeat the airborne command
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[18:41] <Upu> fsphil have you got access to the document for MONDO ?
[18:41] <Upu> wrong channel ..
[18:42] Action: Lunar_Lander hits his head
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> what do I need to do
[18:42] <Upu> One step at a time lunar
[18:42] <daveake> Make up your own mind.
[18:42] <daveake> Everyone has a different approach.
[18:42] <Upu> plug it in and get it reading out the raw data first
[18:42] <eroomde> http://www.radioworld.co.uk/catalog/second_hand_yaesu_ft-790-p-1741.html?osCsid=f05dc3005195e6fa414e9e313d5987b2
[18:42] <daveake> +1
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[18:42] <eroomde> just for anyone after one
[18:42] <Upu> check the GPGGA line is giving valid data
[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> but I need to get it until may 31st
[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> as I said
[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> my best mate said it
[18:43] <daveake> One went on ebay this week for £80-something
[18:43] <Upu> all you need to for that is read in what is coming in on the serial
[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> I looked at the module
[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> I need to connect RXD and TXD I think
[18:49] <number10> or the otherway round
[18:49] <number10> 50/50 chance there
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> I meant I need to connect those
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> and not SDA and SCL
[18:49] <Upu> Lunar
[18:49] <Upu> connect just 3.3v, GND and TX on the module
[18:49] <Upu> ignore RX for the moment
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> yes and then look what it outputs
[18:50] <Upu> TX goes to the RX line on whatever you're reading it with
[18:50] <Upu> indeed
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> yea, like the Arduino UART
[18:50] <daveake> Just reading it and sending to the PC is a great first step
[18:50] <daveake> Tis what I always do
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:50] <daveake> At least then you know it's wired right and baud rate is correct
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> I done that with the Venus and that GUI
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> too
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> but the Venus never got lock in here
[18:51] <daveake> Yeah, but this is GPS --> Flight Computer --> PC
[18:51] <Upu> once its spurting out data
[18:51] <daveake> Get that working
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:51] <Upu> wait 5 mins see if it gets a lock
[18:51] <Upu> if the clock reads right it can see something
[18:51] <daveake> Don't worry about a lock - it'll send stuff as soon as it starts
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:52] <daveake> Once you can get the bytes in then you can worry about parsing the NMEA sentences
[18:53] <daveake> Then hook up the Tx from flight computer to Rx on GPS, and send the UBBX commands (cut and paste from jcoxon's code)
[18:53] <daveake> My personal suggestion is to do all this yourself, 'cos you'll learn a lot more than you ill using a library
[18:54] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:54] <Lunar_Lander> and I'll get the 3.3V arduino
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[18:55] <Upu> Lunar_Lander can I have £1 every time you say "yeah" pls ? :)
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:56] <cuddykid> and me please :D
[18:56] <fsphil-laptop> new #ha drinking game
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> lol
[18:56] <cuddykid> sounds good
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[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> wb daveake_
[19:00] Nick change: daveake_ -> daveake
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[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> did nickB1 say if he left the geiger on the ground?
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[19:04] <fsphil-laptop> typical, I put my HF antenna back up and the winds come back
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[19:16] <Randomskk> cuddykid: we have bajillions of micro sd sockets
[19:16] <Randomskk> and i'm pretty sure they're the sparkfun ones
[19:18] <Randomskk> eroomde: you pinged?
[19:18] <daveake> Any UK flights expected tomorrow or Thursday? Wondering if it's worth taking my tracking kit with me on my travels.
[19:23] <eroomde> Randomskk: nvm
[19:23] <eroomde> i 2nd daveake's question
[19:23] <eroomde> my colinear arrives tomorrow and there's an awesome spot to put it
[19:23] <eroomde> wanna take Upu on
[19:24] <Randomskk> eroomde: you want any micro sd sockets either?
[19:24] <Upu> you know what I bought today don't you ?
[19:24] <daveake> eroomde But did you order the woo woo?
[19:25] <eroomde> Randomskk: found an identical part on farnell thanks to Laurenceb
[19:25] <eroomde> everything for hedgehog should arrive tomorrow
[19:26] <eroomde> daveake: i'm working on the woo woo in the lab
[19:26] <eroomde> but actually yes
[19:26] <eroomde> i think where the antenna is going is in a region of woowoo
[19:26] <Randomskk> cool
[19:26] <eroomde> it was a night and day difference in SNR by climbing up the ladder up the side of the test bay
[19:29] <fsphil-laptop> 2m contest tonight, sometimes a good test of an antenna
[19:29] <eroomde> raymond blanc doesn't speak the same french as french people
[19:29] <eroomde> i think he's spent too long in england
[19:29] <eroomde> it's just constantly 'voila!' and 'sacre bleu!' which french people don't say
[19:30] <eroomde> (bbc2 for ref)
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[19:31] <fsphil-laptop> I was in france once, and when someone spoke to me in french every little bit I'd learned suddenly disappeared
[19:31] <eroomde> it does that
[19:33] <eroomde> 'ooo la la' aswell
[19:33] <eroomde> i've never ever heard a french person say 'ooo la la'. ever.
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[19:36] <fsphil-laptop> I seen someone on french tv say it
[19:36] <fsphil-laptop> although it was more of a mumble
[19:38] <number10> for the next long distance hab competition, I have sent a parcel to Upus next door neighbour - it contains two NTX2 on a PCB with a battery for generating local QRM
[19:38] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[19:38] <daveake> lol
[19:39] <daveake> You messed up there
[19:39] <daveake> An RFM22B can be wound up to much more power
[19:39] <number10> ohh, thats nasty
[19:39] <number10> wher can I get one
[19:40] <daveake> Proto-pic :)
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[19:42] <eroomde> i shall park my car with a yagi and 50W of noise on the next hill
[19:44] <daveake> I think that would be enough :)
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[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> hello NickB1
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> how are you now?
[19:53] <NickB1> hello Lunar
[19:53] <NickB1> very good
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[19:53] <NickB1> evrything went well
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> you made an awesome ascent
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> did you find the balloon?
[19:53] <NickB1> yes
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> YAY
[19:54] <NickB1> found it pretty fast
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> we wondered why the balloon was climbing so fast in the end
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> did they fill it with hydrogen?
[19:54] <NickB1> yes it was hydrogen
[19:54] <NickB1> but I dont know the exact size of the balloon
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:55] <NickB1> the guy who did the launch didnt know it either
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:55] <NickB1> but i think > 1500gram
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> Kaymont probably
[19:55] <NickB1> yes that they did know :D
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> but Geiger said 0 counts per minute
[19:56] <NickB1> yes
[19:57] <NickB1> I dont know wat whent wrong with it :/
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> :(
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> does it work now?
[19:57] <PD3EM_shack> it was a nice flight NickB1 !! Could track it for a long time
[19:57] <NickB1> have to look into it
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:57] <NickB1> no didnt test it right now
[19:57] <NickB1> still in the payload
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> maybe something obvious like loose wire or so?
[19:58] <NickB1> thanks PD3EM_shack
[19:58] <NickB1> thanks a lot for helping decoding!
[19:58] <NickB1> no
[19:58] <NickB1> i think the geiger counter sent 0 CPM out
[19:58] <PD3EM_shack> NickB1: Was this your first launch?
[19:59] <NickB1> because the arduino received the geiger strings
[19:59] <NickB1> but will look into it
[19:59] <NickB1> PD3EM_shack, yes it was the first
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:59] <NickB1> lots of adrenaline today :D
[19:59] <PD3EM_shack> I can imagine that!
[20:00] <PD3EM_shack> Will for sure be the same here when I'll do my first launch
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> now you have to call een for the next launch
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:00] <NickB1> haha
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> and Buerocontainers
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:01] <NickB1> That will be my sponsor
[20:01] <PD3EM_shack> not too fast... the arduino boards will be delivered tomorrow :-)
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[20:01] <NickB1> have you got something planned PD3EM_shack ?
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> NickB1: ask KMI if a launch from Evere is OK
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[20:01] <PD3EM_shack> not yet... first do some testing on the hardware and coding
[20:01] <NickB1> oh ok
[20:02] <NickB1> KMI said they did this sort of launch once a year
[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> so no flight until 2013?
[20:02] <NickB1> very lucky i sent them a mail last week :D
[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:03] <PD3EM_shack> NickB1: very lucky! and at the right moment!
[20:03] <NickB1> not if I can find insurance :D
[20:03] <PD3EM_shack> There was also a man from the Dutch KNMI tracking your balloon
[20:03] <NickB1> but will probably be working together with the howest team
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> try to get universities interested, find a professor who could talk to KMI
[20:03] <NickB1> oh really?
[20:03] <PD3EM_shack> yep
[20:03] <NickB1> yeah that sound like a good plan
[20:04] <NickB1> but have to go
[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[20:05] <NickB1> have to make up with the girlfriend for the last two days :D
[20:05] <Lunar_Lander> NickB1: will send you an email later for the shield
[20:05] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:05] <PD3EM_shack> ok cul
[20:05] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:05] <NickB1> ok!
[20:05] <Lunar_Lander> have a good evening and congratulations again
[20:05] <NickB1> and another thanks to everybody who helped tracking
[20:05] <NickB1> Thanks Lunar
[20:05] <eroomde> ipad tomorrow wooo #offtopic
[20:06] <NickB1> Will probably make a report about it
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[20:06] <eroomde> oh yes congrats nick
[20:06] <eroomde> that was a very good flight
[20:06] <eroomde> heard it in central england with a 1/4 wave whip antenna
[20:06] <eroomde> which was surprising
[20:06] <NickB1> wow
[20:06] <NickB1> great
[20:06] <NickB1> was very affraid my antenna wasnt good
[20:07] <PD3EM_shack> NickB1: what TX and antenna did you use?
[20:07] <NickB1> but seeing the receivers pop up gave a lot of confidence
[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:07] <NickB1> just NTX2 and a quarter wave with 30*30cm groundplane
[20:07] <eroomde> yeah the reception was superb
[20:08] <NickB1> ok :)
[20:08] <NickB1> but really have to go now
[20:08] <NickB1> bye all
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[20:13] <cuddykid> good to see your getting in the iPad spirit eroomde!
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde: what exactly did you mean with antenna woowoo and test bay ladder?
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[20:29] <eroomde> ah right
[20:29] <eroomde> well
[20:29] <eroomde> woowoo is the unit of permitivity of the atmosphere in the strotosphere and below
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[20:29] <eroomde> abbreviated as Ws
[20:29] <natrium42> sounds made up :S
[20:29] Action: Upu raises an eye brow
[20:29] <cuddykid> lol
[20:30] <fsphil-laptop> pretty poor woowoo here most days
[20:30] <eroomde> so my aim to to make an antenna installation of at least 49Ws
[20:30] <eroomde> it's a log scale so that's quite impressive as you'll agree
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> and test bay ladder?
[20:30] <fsphil-laptop> it's 15 Ws's better than mine
[20:31] <eroomde> a test bay ladder is when a woman in tights has a clothing accident when she's experimenting on the set of any of the Transformers films
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[20:31] <Upu> -> http://cdn1.hark.com/images/000/002/834/2834/original.jpg
[20:31] <eroomde> but in this context i was using it to describe a way of getting onto the roof of a test bay at work
[20:31] <eroomde> which is a place where you can fire rocket engines
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> so you work at Rolls Royce?
[20:32] <eroomde> nope
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> because of the rocket test stand
[20:33] <eroomde> reaction engines
[20:33] <eroomde> http://www.reactionengines.co.uk/images/skylon/library/skylon_orbit_3m.jpg
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[20:33] <fsphil-laptop> needs to be blacker
[20:33] <fsphil-laptop> but I'll take it
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[20:34] <natrium42> racist
[20:34] <fsphil-laptop> reflectionist
[20:34] <natrium42> :)
[20:35] <Upu> pinkist
[20:35] <staylo> perkist
[20:35] <eroomde> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AWkUWfJYLvg/TJh2pvQhnkI/AAAAAAAAAHY/-xDSzG2ahrE/s1600/skylon-apaceplane-3_UCuLp_22976.jpg
[20:36] <Upu> Skylon "How your space program these days USA ?"
[20:36] <eroomde> heh
[20:36] <Laurenceb_> you are working for reaction engines now?
[20:36] <eroomde> won't be able to say that for 10-15 years i doubt
[20:36] <eroomde> but the engine development is going very well :)
[20:37] <Laurenceb_> i didnt realise
[20:37] <Laurenceb_> epic stuff eroomde
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[20:37] <Laurenceb_> i met them at an exhibition a while back, they said there were no vacancies :P
[20:38] <fsphil-laptop> do they need someone to send small jpeg images from orbit? :)
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[20:38] <daveake> lol
[20:38] <eroomde> infact the first flight of the hedgehog will be to take this photo for real
[20:38] <eroomde> i have a 30cm long pladtic model of skylon
[20:38] <eroomde> i want to hang it infront of a camera from some thin transparent fishing wire off a boom
[20:39] <fsphil-laptop> ah, like the lego shuttle
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[20:39] <eroomde> exactly
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> where will you fly the thing into orbit from?
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[20:39] <eroomde> no idea yet
[20:39] <Laurenceb_> an airport
[20:39] <eroomde> miles from that stage
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> Cumbria?
[20:40] <eroomde> at the moment it's all about engine development
[20:40] <Laurenceb_> they are making progress with the precooler right?
[20:40] <eroomde> showing the precoolers work is The Big Thing fo the next two months that will unlock the next round of funding
[20:40] <Laurenceb_> oh... tell me how the frost control works?
[20:40] <eroomde> yep Laurenceb_
[20:40] <eroomde> happening right now
[20:40] <Laurenceb_> DO IT
[20:40] <Laurenceb_> TELL ME
[20:40] <eroomde> i installed the new engine sequencer for the precooler test a couple of weeks ago
[20:40] <eroomde> no of course i can't tell you that
[20:41] <Laurenceb_> hehehe
[20:41] <eroomde> i don't even really talk about my job on here as my old boss hangs around sometimes
[20:41] <Laurenceb_> ah
[20:41] <Laurenceb_> the esa report gives away most of the antifrost details actually
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[20:41] <eroomde> not really enough
[20:42] <eroomde> quite deliberately
[20:42] <Laurenceb_> heh
[20:42] <eroomde> only really mark ford who runs the propulsion group at esa got the full account
[20:42] <Laurenceb_> its something + dyson
[20:42] <Laurenceb_> something== something to stop the ice actually sticking to the pipework
[20:43] <eroomde> i can't say anything, obviously.
[20:43] <Laurenceb_> hehehe - its in the esa report
[20:43] <SpeedEvil> The key element is in fact a 3.99 Argos stainless steel collander.
[20:44] <Laurenceb_> lol
[20:44] <Laurenceb_> the helium loops seems way overcomplex - JAXA have a working preecooled engine with hydrogen turbine
[20:44] <Laurenceb_> but i guess embrittlement+ you can get better efficiency from carnot with the loop
[20:45] <eroomde> -
[20:45] <eroomde> just hang about a few years it'll all be cool and sexy and you will like it
[20:45] <Laurenceb_> heh hopefully
[20:46] <Laurenceb_> great stuff on getting the job tho
[20:46] <Laurenceb_> the space tug thing and separate tanker version is also really smart
[20:47] <cuddykid> lol, the guy that bought the iPad off me as just text me saying he thought it was an iPad 2 - when it clearly didn't mention a "2" anywhere :P
[20:47] <SpeedEvil> I hope so.
[20:47] <SpeedEvil> cuddykid: On what platform?
[20:47] <cuddykid> gumtree
[20:47] <SpeedEvil> Dunno about the dispute resolution procedure.
[20:48] <cuddykid> there isn't one - and it was all in cash
[20:48] <cuddykid> so his problem
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[20:49] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: Sounds like an awesome place to work :)
[20:50] <eroomde> so far so good :)
[20:52] <Laurenceb_> *massive precooler explosion*
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[20:56] <fsphil-laptop> http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/71138_315360197070_2568665_n.jpg
[20:56] <eroomde> that's on the wall at work
[20:56] <eroomde> :)
[20:57] <Upu> haha
[20:58] <fsphil-laptop> we've just got those depressing 'motivation' posters
[20:59] <eroomde> we've lots of sillies
[21:00] <eroomde> 'rocket scientists do it on impulse' and other terribly droll things
[21:02] <Laurenceb_> we just have a load of losers and dossers
[21:02] <Upu> "keep calm and check backups"
[21:03] <Laurenceb_> some talked to me for 2 hours this morning about pulse oximetery oh horses before I convinced them it couldn't possible work :(
[21:03] <Laurenceb_> *on
[21:03] <eroomde> heh
[21:03] <eroomde> we presented Kalman with a poster when he came to give a talk a few months ago
[21:03] <eroomde> 'Keep Kalmand and Carry On'
[21:03] <Laurenceb_> the Kalman?
[21:04] <eroomde> despite having no discernable personality or sense of humour (a dissapointing trait in ones heroes) he got it
[21:04] <Laurenceb_> of kalman filter fame?
[21:04] <eroomde> THE Kalman Laurenceb_
[21:04] <eroomde> yep
[21:04] <Laurenceb_> wow
[21:04] <eroomde> i think he was quite bitter about it really
[21:04] <Laurenceb_> most epic guy in the history of the world
[21:04] <eroomde> he thinks he should have got a nobel prize or something
[21:04] <cuddykid> oh you stupid annoying java applet
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> back from dinner
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[21:07] <Laurenceb_> http://gco2e.blogspot.com/2012/03/wealth-gap-is-about-to-widen-raspberry.html
[21:07] <Laurenceb_> wut
[21:07] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Why not - horses have thin membranes.
[21:07] <Laurenceb_> well, they wanted to detect Laminitus
[21:07] <Laurenceb_> or however the hell you spell it
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> laminitis.
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> I think.
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[21:08] <Laurenceb_> by detecting a stronger pulse signal
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> Hmm. Oximitry of the hoof.
[21:08] <Laurenceb_> using PPG
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> Or around there.
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> That's gonna be tricky
[21:08] <Laurenceb_> problem is it doesnt cause a stronger ppg
[21:08] <Laurenceb_> so they fail
[21:08] <Laurenceb_> i suggested pulse ox
[21:09] <Laurenceb_> but then i realised they could use a flexiforce sensor wrapped around the ankle
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> I would wonder about simple thermography
[21:09] <Laurenceb_> as what they can detect is stronger pulsing of the leg
[21:09] <Laurenceb_> which isnt the same thing as stronger optically detected ppg
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> Nasty to calibrate.
[21:10] <Laurenceb_> yes
[21:10] <Laurenceb_> but probably buildable
[21:10] Action: SpeedEvil wonders about MRI
[21:10] <Laurenceb_> true
[21:10] <Laurenceb_> thatd be the really pro way to do it
[21:10] <SpeedEvil> A clamp-style MRI would be _shiny_
[21:10] <Laurenceb_> permanent magnet mri
[21:10] <SpeedEvil> If you just want fluid velocity...
[21:10] <SpeedEvil> normal to the field
[21:10] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[21:11] <Laurenceb_> oh - induced voltage?
[21:11] <SpeedEvil> Or ultrasound is probably easier
[21:11] <Laurenceb_> people have done that with implanted wires
[21:11] <Laurenceb_> doesnt work non invasively
[21:11] <SpeedEvil> Hmm.
[21:11] <SpeedEvil> Chop the field mechanically - rotate it - and look for the correlated field from skin probes?
[21:11] <SpeedEvil> Sounds amusing.
[21:11] <Laurenceb_> lol
[21:12] <Laurenceb_> i think pulse ox would work - using mental power NIR leds
[21:12] <Laurenceb_> and large photodiodes some distance away
[21:12] <Laurenceb_> to get through the fur
[21:13] <Laurenceb_> but its supposed to be an Meng project
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> Chop the feet off, measure the blood coming out.
[21:13] <Laurenceb_> lol
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> If the hooves could be guaranteed clean, I could see ways of doing it.
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> But - well...
[21:14] <Laurenceb_> we'd get ddosed by peta again
[21:14] <Laurenceb_> they keep taking out the proxy server
[21:15] <Laurenceb_> supposedly its them anyway - i think its just knackered :P
[21:17] <cuddykid> something you may all be interested in&. -> http://pages.ebay.co.uk/vouchers/FB/?clk_rvr_id=321349984783
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Great excuse if you work in IT.
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> 'PETA did it'.
[21:18] <SpeedEvil> Where's that from cuddykid?
[21:18] <eroomde> i just snorted wine up my nose when i saw the 2nd top voted comment http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8YUIG3YgxQ&feature=related
[21:18] <cuddykid> came through from my notification system - from MSE grabbit forum board
[21:18] <cuddykid> open to anyone, no min spend
[21:19] <cuddykid> I'm using it now, will report back :P
[21:19] <SpeedEvil> cuddykid: how much?
[21:19] <cuddykid> £5 free
[21:19] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[21:19] Action: SpeedEvil ponders stuff.
[21:20] <cuddykid> solder wick, header pins have been added to my basket so far :P
[21:20] <_Hix-Android> Kewl. Good find. Even better share
[21:20] <cuddykid> get stuff with free p&p otherwise you have to pay the p&p
[21:21] <SpeedEvil> Dammit - I have lots of stiff on my watch list for >>>5
[21:21] <staylo> After that freudian slip we don't want the details.
[21:21] <_Hix-Android> So you can buy today, pay tomorrow and knock 5 off
[21:22] <_Hix-Android> I resisted that one staylo
[21:22] <cuddykid> http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=3835535
[21:23] <cuddykid> bingo - completely free - 2meters of solder, solder wick and 80 header pins :D
[21:24] Action: SpeedEvil has ~400m of solder, 80m of wick, and 80000 header pins.
[21:25] <cuddykid> lol
[21:25] <SpeedEvil> (somewhere)
[21:25] <_Hix-Android> It says 7th though
[21:25] <cuddykid> _Hix-Android: just worked great for me :D
[21:25] <cuddykid> Your payment for £0.00 has been processed by PayPal. You will receive an email receipt shortly. - lol
[21:25] <_Hix-Android> Ok - goes off to buy shiny stuff :D
[21:26] <cuddykid> if you want multiple stuff - add it to your ebay "basket"
[21:26] <cuddykid> and get the stuff with no p&p charge
[21:27] Nick change: SAIDias -> W0OTM
[21:28] <cuddykid> I quite often get a fair few deals like these pushed straight through to my phone - if you're interested: http://wdw4brits.com/mse/subscribe.php and http://wdw4brits.com/hukd/subscribe.php
[21:29] <cuddykid> very easy and quick system I created around christmas time
[21:29] <Upu> amazing
[21:29] <Upu> I just bought 50 0603 PINK LED's for 99p :)
[21:29] <SpeedEvil> Oooh.
[21:29] <SpeedEvil> LEDs.
[21:30] <cuddykid> nice :D
[21:30] <SpeedEvil> Can never have too many LEDs.
[21:30] <fsphil-laptop> Noooo
[21:30] <cuddykid> infact - I was looking at 0603 LED's just!
[21:35] <SpeedEvil> Oopsie. Almost missed the voucher.
[21:37] <eroomde> oh god
[21:37] <SpeedEvil> And one LED.
[21:37] <SpeedEvil> Though a big one.
[21:37] <SpeedEvil> And a couple of quid over.
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[21:43] <cuddykid> I've got a big LED that I want to fly on a nighttime flight
[21:43] <cuddykid> hopefully in April
[21:44] <SpeedEvil> I',m waiting for my cree samples to arrive.
[21:44] <SpeedEvil> Annoyingly they haven't yet.
[21:44] <cuddykid> ooo
[21:44] <Dan-K2VOL> nice cuddykid
[21:44] <Upu> I just bought another 50 0603 LED's with works account
[21:44] <cuddykid> nice :D
[21:44] <cuddykid> I've got another ebay account& hmm
[21:45] <cuddykid> but links to same paypal - need to have a read of the ts&cs
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[21:46] <cuddykid> ahh no, one voucher per paypal, that rules my 2nd ebay account out then
[21:47] <SpeedEvil> I've got a silly script which parses tesco daily and pops out massive price changes.
[21:48] <SpeedEvil> I need to fix it - it's giving some bogus outputs.
[21:48] <cuddykid> I like the sound of that
[21:48] <SpeedEvil> But scored some chicken fillet for 70p/kilo
[21:48] <_Hix-Android> Woo hoo desolder braid desolder pump and 5m 0.5mm solder. Nice one cuddykid
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[21:48] <cuddykid> no probs _Hix-Android :D
[21:48] <hhallam> hey Laurenceb, still awake?
[21:49] <SpeedEvil> http://www.techfortesco.com/forum/index.php?board=1.0 - trivial app
[21:49] <SpeedEvil> http://www.techfortesco.com/forum/index.php?board=13.0 even
[21:51] <_Hix-Android> SpeedEvil that sounds like a winner
[21:55] <Elwell> NigeyS: you UK based?
[21:55] <cuddykid> just remembered - I have another paypal account - ancient one - and it works :D
[21:55] <cuddykid> more desoldering braid lol
[21:55] <cuddykid> I think I will be needing a lot of it..
[21:55] <Elwell> (and you don't moonlight on BBC 'click' do you? -- someone on world service today sounded clueful)
[21:58] <NigeyS> heh yup im in uk
[22:01] <Elwell> ah found link - http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/nrs/
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[22:03] <NigeyS> ooo
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[22:03] <NigeyS> def not me lol
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[22:16] <fsphil-laptop> I'd just be a babbling idiot on radio or TV. much like in here
[22:17] <eroomde> oh god customer services
[22:17] <eroomde> where do they learn english?
[22:17] <eroomde> ''If there's anything else at all I can do for yourself at all?''
[22:17] <cuddykid> hahaha
[22:17] <eroomde> Er, finish your conditional clause, for one.
[22:18] <cuddykid> you should reply: "yes, shat yur trap"
[22:21] <_Hix-Android> Shat :D
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[23:25] <Lunar_Lander> NigeyS: are you still here?
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