highaltitude.log.20120304

[00:00] <NigeyS> ah i see, im pretty thick when it comes to radio stuff i'm afraid
[00:02] <Morseman> Don't worry - use the line of sight stuff to tell you where the 'good' directions are anyway
[00:03] <Morseman> Off to bed - good night swapping to G0DJA before signing off
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[00:03] <NigeyS> oki, nn Morseman :)
[00:03] <fsphil-laptop> night G0DJA
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[00:07] <Laurenceb_> Randomskk: ping
[00:13] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Apex III L2 Provisional Launch Date"
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[00:24] <NigeyS> hrm whats the exact length of 1/4 wave radials ?
[00:25] <Darkside> the ground radials?
[00:25] <NigeyS> yups
[00:25] <Darkside> just have them a bit longer than the main radial
[00:26] <NigeyS> 16.8 or something ?
[00:26] <Darkside> the main element shuld be 0.235*wavelength long
[00:26] <NigeyS> 16.45cm
[00:26] <NigeyS> cheers Dark
[00:26] <NigeyS> side
[00:26] <NigeyS> lol
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[00:47] <Pavix> Sadly none of the descriptions for video cameras/camcorders indicate if they can do hours of video autonomously with the exception of the $200 bloggie on walmart.com
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[00:59] <kc0yns> Damn, accidently disconnected, I'm new to this Page..Is there anyway of getting back to read comments from earlier today? (Balloon launch)
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[01:00] <NigeyS> kc0yns, there are logs somewhere, not sure of the link though :/
[01:00] <kc0yns> ok thanks,
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[01:07] <Randomskk> Laurenceb: hi
[01:08] <Randomskk> kc0yns: http://habhub.org/zeusbot/
[01:11] <kc0yns> Great , Thanks Randomskk
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[01:40] <NigeyS> Meteorite spotted across Britain
[01:40] <NigeyS> Police forces in England and Scotland say have they received a number of calls reporting what is believed to have been a meteorite.
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[01:45] <kc0yns> Thanks to everyone, Our Amateur radio club is planning two flights this spring, Will advise when date is confirmed..
[01:45] <Randomskk> nice :D
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[08:03] <F0DWP> hello all
[08:04] <daveake> morning
[08:05] <F0DWP> any news about xaben-22 ?
[08:06] <daveake> I asked Steve yesterday and he said he was hoping to launch by 10am, possibly earlier
[08:07] <F0DWP> ok thanks
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[08:38] <Upu> morning
[08:38] <daveake> morning
[08:38] Nick change: Upu -> Upu_2E0UPU
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[08:39] <daveake> horrible day to be outside putting up aerials :(
[08:39] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah even the dog was distinctly not bothered about being outside
[08:39] <daveake> :)
[08:40] <Morseman> I don't think I'll bother putting the vertical up!
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[08:46] <F5MVO> morning
[08:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> hi there F5MVO
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[08:49] <F5MVO> if you are at West of Greenwich, don't forget to put sign - before the Longitude in DL-FLDIGI !
[08:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> indeed
[08:49] <jcoxon> morning all
[08:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> morning
[08:50] <jcoxon> for this launch can people make records of the data
[08:50] <jcoxon> especially near the burst
[08:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> as in capture as wav ?
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[08:50] <jcoxon> yeah
[08:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> sure
[08:50] <daveake> ok
[08:51] <Upu_2E0UPU> testing anything in particular ?
[08:51] <jcoxon> going to use it for a dl-fldigi guide
[08:51] <Upu_2E0UPU> ok
[08:51] <jcoxon> mock data to show how things work
[08:51] <Upu_2E0UPU> do you know what balloon it is ?
[08:51] <jcoxon> howyee 1.6 i think
[08:51] <jcoxon> not aiming for burst
[08:51] <jcoxon> sorry
[08:51] <jcoxon> not aiming for float...
[08:51] <daveake> :)
[08:51] <jcoxon> so 5m/s ascent
[08:51] <Upu_2E0UPU> was about to say
[08:52] <Upu_2E0UPU> 075 launch so QRM here
[08:52] <Upu_2E0UPU> 5m/s
[08:52] <Upu_2E0UPU> burst ~ 37km ?
[08:54] <jcoxon> i'm not sure
[08:54] <jcoxon> not actually there
[08:54] <Morseman> I have some recordings from the previous XABEN but didn't hear the burts point though
[08:55] <jcoxon> just record away - i'll sort the rest :-)
[08:57] <F5MVO> you know the launch time ?
[08:58] <jcoxon> F5MVO, it'll be 10:00 ish
[08:59] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: UTC ?
[08:59] <F5MVO> ok
[09:00] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: launch at 10:00 UTC?
[09:00] <jcoxon> SP9UOB, approximately
[09:00] <jcoxon> SP9UOB, F5MVO, http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/ish
[09:01] <jcoxon> nothing is ever on time!
[09:01] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol
[09:01] <Upu_2E0UPU> I've set live predictor up for 5m/s ascent and a 37km burst
[09:02] <SP9UOB> LOL :-)
[09:02] <Morseman> Usual time period - the ISH ;-)
[09:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> not sure if you'll be able to receive in Poland SP9UOB but glad you're here we often send thing your way, usually unintentional :)
[09:04] <SP9UOB> 2E0UPU: i will try to hear :-) I want to launch own balloon in may
[09:04] <Morseman> Does anyone have the lat/long for the launch site (I really should write these things down somewhere!)
[09:04] <Upu_2E0UPU> Great we could do with more listeners over that way
[09:04] <Upu_2E0UPU> Morseman somewhere near 52.1087, 0.7992
[09:05] <jcoxon> Upu_2E0UPU, its going to be EARs
[09:05] <jcoxon> not Lavenham
[09:05] <Upu_2E0UPU> oh ok
[09:05] <jcoxon> last minute change
[09:05] <Morseman> Thanks Upu
[09:05] <SP9UOB> 2E0UPU: tracker is ready: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/20111123_201703.jpg
[09:05] <Upu_2E0UPU> elsworth cambridge Morseman
[09:05] <Morseman> Ah - OK on change of site
[09:05] <SP9UOB> http://sp9uob.verox.pl/20111123_201726.jpg
[09:05] <Upu_2E0UPU> thats tidy SP9UOB
[09:05] <Upu_2E0UPU> whats the micro controller ?
[09:06] <Morseman> I'll use the locator for GB3CAM then
[09:06] <Upu_2E0UPU> ah on the back
[09:06] <SP9UOB> 2E0UPU: dsPIC33FJ65GP804
[09:06] <Upu_2E0UPU> looks good
[09:06] <Morseman> Nice looking board
[09:06] #highaltitude: mode change '+o jcoxon' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[09:06] <SP9UOB> derived from my previous project: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/dstnc.html
[09:07] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jcoxon!jcoxon@87.115.59.249: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk, XABEN launch 04/03/12 10:00 UTC ish
[09:07] <jcoxon> SP9UOB, are you going to listen for the balloon?
[09:07] <jcoxon> you could get a radio range record perhaps
[09:08] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: XABEN? Yes i'll try
[09:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> meh
[09:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> :)
[09:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> should get pretty high this one
[09:10] <daveake> Payload weight?
[09:10] <jcoxon> light
[09:10] <daveake> And I really hope this goes ahead - I'm getting drenched putting this aerial up :(
[09:10] <daveake> High then :)
[09:10] <SP9UOB> Upu_2E0UPU: in tracker: full telemetry (temp in/out, pressure, ascent rate, voltage etc) 144 MHz APRS and 29.42MHX RTYY
[09:13] <SP9UOB> Morseman: thanks :-)
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[09:14] <Upu_2E0UPU> we might even be able to receive the 10 meters (?) here
[09:15] <SP9UOB> 2E0UPU: i hope so :-)
[09:16] <Upu_2E0UPU> right I'll go do my shopping before he launches
[09:16] <Upu_2E0UPU> back in 45 mins
[09:16] <Morseman> Shame the WX is so poor - I'l have liked to look for the APRS signal - May try a SOAT beam inside
[09:17] <Morseman> SOTA - even
[09:20] <G0DJA> Which XABEN set up do I select for this one, or doesn't it matter?
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[09:22] <daveake> The XABEN one
[09:23] <G0DJA> I have XABEN0 and XABEN1 listed
[09:23] <daveake> Neither, choose the one that just says XABEN
[09:23] <G0DJA> No such option
[09:24] <G0DJA> Using V3.21.33 here
[09:24] <daveake> DL Clienbt -> Refresh Payload Data
[09:25] <G0DJA> I did
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[09:25] <daveake> Then we have reached the end of my knowledge :(
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[09:26] <jcoxon> G0DJA, open and close it
[09:26] <jcoxon> as XABEN is there fore me
[09:26] <G0DJA> Not sure if it downloads from same site as previous version - can't get head round the difference in settings
[09:26] <jcoxon> oh have you got the new version from danielrichman
[09:27] <jcoxon> let me look into that
[09:28] <G0DJA> AH - Found it - had to select "Show test docs" under the Brows all option
[09:28] <G0DJA> Browes - even
[09:29] <G0DJA> No that's not right either!
[09:29] <jcoxon> hehe
[09:29] <G0DJA> Try Browse
[09:29] <jcoxon> G0DJA, you have such a new version
[09:29] <jcoxon> that even i haven't upgraded to that
[09:29] <G0DJA> :-)
[09:29] <jcoxon> and i organise the official releases
[09:30] <G0DJA> I think it was a link you put on here the other day @jcoxon
[09:31] <jcoxon> yeah
[09:34] <F5MVO> xaben APPEARS
[09:35] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[09:35] <SP9UOB> T-26 ;-)
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[09:38] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[09:43] <daveake> He's up
[09:44] <F5MVO> its start
[09:44] <jcoxon> i think the slow ascent is due to low clouds + rain
[09:44] <daveake> Early. What is the world coming to? :p
[09:45] <jcoxon> it'll pick up once above
[09:45] <daveake> Also the balloon will be floppy for a while
[09:46] <daveake> Data coming in
[09:46] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] XABEN-22 flight announcement"
[09:47] <daveake> Remember to start recording everyone :-)
[09:47] <daveake> (i nearly forgot)
[09:48] <WillDuckworth> what's that habhub tail link again?
[09:48] <G0DJA> Can hear it but some fading so no proper decode yet
[09:48] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh a launch, nice
[09:49] <jcoxon> daveake, you can record later in the flight if you want
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[09:50] <daveake> I'll do the lot. If you particularly want the burst and not the rest then I can edit that into a file for you
[09:50] <daveake> Not quite got a full sentence yet
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[09:51] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: XABEN in the air #ukhas http://t.co/pAOZOoep [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/176243578987757568]
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[09:52] <RocketBoy> surprise
[09:52] <jcoxon> hi RocketBoy
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[09:52] <jcoxon> cloudy where you are?
[09:52] <daveake> Early ... this just won't do :) :p
[09:52] <fsphil-laptop> did a launch just happen ahead of schedule?
[09:53] <SamSilver> lol
[09:53] <RocketBoy> launched
[09:53] <griffonbot> @PD3EM: RT @jamescoxon: XABEN in the air #ukhas http://t.co/pAOZOoep [http://twitter.com/PD3EM/status/176244046677807104]
[09:54] <daveake> I've had signal since about 600m but no full sentence yet
[09:54] <F5MVO> the G8KHN latitude and longitude is not good in dl-fldigi, its appears near Darmstad in Deutschland ?
[09:54] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, can you update you lat/lon
[09:55] <RocketBoy> soon
[09:55] <fsphil-laptop> reminds me, I think I changed mine too
[09:56] <_Hix> another one in the drink? http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=068c80a1a440d0aec2c16b1dd6d32cc37b38d245
[09:57] <G0DJA> Just can't get a full decode on it yet
[09:57] <daveake> haha, decode :)
[09:57] <natrium42> slow ascent, is it a hwoyee 1600?
[09:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh its 434.075, not much of a chance here then.
[09:57] <RocketBoy> very wet
[09:57] <daveake> About 2000m lower than I usually get the first one (pats aerial)
[09:58] <daveake> RocketBoy I'm still drying out from putting my mast up :p
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[09:58] <RocketBoy> im v wet too
[09:58] <daveake> I bet
[09:58] <fsphil-laptop> glorious sunny day here
[09:58] <daveake> **** off :)
[09:59] <fsphil-laptop> it's rare we get better weather, let me enjoy it :p
[09:59] <daveake> It is, so enjoy :)
[09:59] <fsphil-laptop> I've to clean up the back garden
[10:00] <daveake> Is someone going to enable the live prediction?
[10:00] <daveake> Oh, and there it is :)
[10:01] <fsphil-laptop> predicting doom!
[10:01] <daveake> Maybe ascent will speed up when the balloon dries out :)
[10:01] <fsphil-laptop> or the Netherlands
[10:02] <daveake> Otherwise it's looking like a float
[10:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fsphil-laptop or float, that seems to be the standard now :-)
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[10:02] <fsphil-laptop> at the rate this one's going, yea
[10:03] <fsphil-laptop> should have time for some breakfast before I can decode anything
[10:03] <fsphil-laptop> mmm
[10:03] <fsphil-laptop> toast and marmalade
[10:03] <chembrow> what's the frequency?
[10:03] <daveake> once a day
[10:03] <daveake> oh you don't mean breakfast? :p
[10:03] <SP9UOB> lol
[10:04] <fsphil-laptop> well sometimes twice if I'm really hungry
[10:04] <fsphil-laptop> somewhere near 434.075
[10:04] <daveake> My receiver display is out by 8kHz-ish. I think Tx is pretty much spot on 434.075
[10:04] <RocketBoy> wasn't planning on getting this one back
[10:05] <chembrow> thanks. is it a continual transmit?
[10:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> daveake 8khz wow thats pretty much
[10:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> RocketBoy your welcome to land it here :-)
[10:05] <daveake> Yeah, got it cheap. If someone knows how to fix that on an FT790 Mk I let me know!
[10:06] <daveake> It's just a pain. Otherwise it works very well
[10:06] <fsphil-laptop> you just need to reverse the polarity of the neutron flow
[10:06] <daveake> RocketBoy Were you aiming for altitude or float?
[10:06] <G0DJA> So frustrating - 99% and one bad character spoils decode :-(
[10:07] <fsphil-laptop> hate that!
[10:07] <daveake> fsphil-laptop I'll do that next time I'm in the jefferies tubes
[10:08] <fsphil-laptop> I bet altitude
[10:08] <G0DJA> Those occasional clicks on the band don't help
[10:08] <fsphil-laptop> yea it's a horribly noisy part of the spectrum
[10:08] <G0DJA> $$$$$$XABEN,124,10:08:01,0.41938,-0.01654,3672,0.0,2.34,30;52.4:414;0.01363*FCAB
[10:08] <daveake> fsphil-laptop Well someone's got to take that record away from me :)
[10:08] <G0DJA> But not decoded
[10:08] <jcoxon> poor listener turnout :-p
[10:09] <jcoxon> my antenna that can go outside is broken
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[10:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> working on getting a new tracker near hanover in Germany, brb
[10:09] <jcoxon> so i'm no use
[10:09] <jcoxon> as i live in a flat that is a faraday cage
[10:09] <daveake> jcoxon Well probably everyone set their alarms for 10am ISH
[10:09] <G0DJA> I'm going to try earlier version FLDigi - this is silly
[10:10] <jcoxon> G0DJA, use the one on my github
[10:10] <jcoxon> thats what everyone is using
[10:10] <G0DJA> Where's that please
[10:11] <jcoxon> https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/downloads
[10:11] <G0DJA> V3.20.29 seems better
[10:12] <G0DJA> Think that's the one I'm using now
[10:13] <daveake> That's what I'm running
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[10:16] <jcoxon> no good globaltuners out there right now
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[10:18] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[10:19] <jcoxon> hi Lunar_Lander
[10:19] <Lunar_Lander> do we have a float attempt?
[10:19] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[10:19] <Morseman> That new version seems to have issues :-)
[10:19] <jcoxon> Morseman, i'm pretty certain i said it was a beta!
[10:20] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, not sure, suspect ascent rate will increase
[10:20] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[10:20] <Lunar_Lander> as it heads into the sea now
[10:20] <_Hix> Anyone out there know how youd go about testing an AR8000?
[10:20] <Lunar_Lander> was that intentional?
[10:20] <Lunar_Lander> hello _Hix
[10:20] <_Hix> Think the antenna is broken. It's been hacked by the previous owner
[10:20] <_Hix> Hi Lunar_Lander
[10:20] <Lunar_Lander> Upu_2E0UPU: do you have a moment please?
[10:21] <daveake> Have you opened it up and looked?
[10:21] <_Hix> I mean the antenna socket
[10:21] <daveake> There's a short length of wire from the BNC socket to the rear PCB
[10:21] <_Hix> Yeah but couldn't really see anything untoward
[10:21] <G0DJA> @jcoxon I am sure you did - well I seem to have found a bug ;-)
[10:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> got him setup now, its Nils, please welcome him, if the gets on here
[10:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Lunar_Lander got a now german tracker near hanover
[10:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> now=new
[10:22] <Lunar_Lander> cool OZ1SKY_Brian!
[10:23] <G0DJA> Well done Brian :-)
[10:23] Nick change: chembrow -> chembrow_M6PXL
[10:24] <chembrow_M6PXL> just starting to get something now, very faint but should improve as it gains more altitude
[10:24] <Lunar_Lander> hello daveake
[10:25] <G0DJA> Could be a floater in more than one way Lunar_Lander !!
[10:25] Nick change: fsphil-laptop -> fsphil-2I0VIM
[10:26] Nick change: Morseman -> Morseman_G0DJA
[10:26] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[10:27] <griffonbot> @onlineradio_fr: RT @jamescoxon: XABEN in the air #ukhas http://t.co/pAOZOoep [http://twitter.com/onlineradio_fr/status/176252446434275328]
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[10:28] <Lunar_Lander> hi andrew_apex
[10:28] <andrew_apex> morning Lunar_Lander
[10:28] <Lunar_Lander> how are you now?
[10:28] <andrew_apex> I'm well thanks :) - you?
[10:28] <Lunar_Lander> quite OK, thanks
[10:29] <Lunar_Lander> Apex III was a success I think
[10:29] <Lunar_Lander> despite the splashdown
[10:29] <andrew_apex> er - ish :P
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[10:29] <andrew_apex> apart from the landing it all went well
[10:29] <_Hix> There is a thin strip of copper daveake but i cant get the lower pcb out to see properly
[10:30] <Lunar_Lander> yeah andrew_apex
[10:30] <Lunar_Lander> did the lemon battery work?
[10:30] <jcoxon> whats the sign of insanity?
[10:31] <andrew_apex> We didn't fly that in the end - we decided it would be too heavy
[10:31] <jcoxon> is it doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a new outcome
[10:31] <jcoxon> ?
[10:31] <jcoxon> cause i have just done that
[10:31] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[10:31] <fsphil-2I0VIM> it's one of the signs
[10:31] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon: I thought you are a MD?
[10:31] <fsphil-2I0VIM> the other sign is enjoying country music
[10:32] <G0DJA> Just had to move RX freq up a bit
[10:32] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, hehe i am
[10:32] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[10:32] <Lunar_Lander> xD fsphil-2I0VIM
[10:32] <G0DJA> Is the 10M working on this flight?
[10:32] <fsphil-2I0VIM> ascent rate has shot up
[10:32] <Lunar_Lander> what balloon do we fly today?
[10:32] <fsphil-2I0VIM> I don't think this flight is carrying the HF beacon
[10:32] <daveake> 1600 Hwoyee
[10:33] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[10:33] <Lunar_Lander> the legendary lasts longer than you type
[10:33] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[10:33] <Lunar_Lander> or was that the 2000=
[10:33] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[10:34] <jcoxon> no HF
[10:34] <_Hix> how do you get the lower pcb out of the AR8000 it doesn't want to leave
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[10:34] <_Hix> Dont 2 screws on board and can't see anymore
[10:34] <_Hix> done
[10:34] <daveake> 3rd one lower middle
[10:35] <_Hix> slot screw?
[10:35] <daveake> Just same as the other 2
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[10:35] <jcoxon> gaining trackers
[10:35] Nick change: junderwood -> junderwood_M0JCU
[10:35] <Lunar_Lander> hello Jessica_Lily
[10:36] <SP9UOB> G0DJA: 10m beacon will be on my baloon (last week of may i think)
[10:36] <junderwood_M0JCU> jcoxon, thanks for the e-mail. I'd assumed it was flying later.
[10:36] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon: btw, earlier there was a BBC programme on VOX about intelligence and how it can be assessed
[10:36] <G0DJA> Thanks SP9UOB I'll set up an SDR with a dipole for that
[10:36] <Lunar_Lander> was quite interesting
[10:36] <Upu_2E0UPU> back
[10:36] <Upu_2E0UPU> hi Lunar
[10:36] <_Hix> nope - just 2 and 1 slot by a crystal
[10:37] <Lunar_Lander> hi SP9UOB, are you part of the Copernicus Project?
[10:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> very clear signal, shift is spot on
[10:37] <Lunar_Lander> hi Upu_2E0UPU
[10:38] <jcoxon> it seems to have escaped the clouds
[10:38] <fsphil-2I0VIM> SP9UOB, I'll have to remember to listen for that
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[10:38] <daveake> Wow, that's some speed-up
[10:38] <fsphil-2I0VIM> really is
[10:38] <SP9UOB> G0DJA: I', listening to XABEN with SDR (funcube dongle) but still not in Poland
[10:38] <fsphil-2I0VIM> has it dropped something?
[10:38] Action: daveake fidgets nervously about losing his record
[10:38] <daveake> :)
[10:38] <jcoxon> it was very wet
[10:39] <fsphil-2I0VIM> I think you're safe daveake
[10:39] <fsphil-2I0VIM> for now
[10:39] <fsphil-2I0VIM> *evil laugh!*
[10:39] <daveake> lol
[10:39] <G0DJA> Which records that daveake?
[10:39] <SP9UOB> i mean nothing
[10:39] <daveake> UK altitude
[10:39] <jcoxon> SP9UOB, give it a bit more time to get higher
[10:39] <G0DJA> AH!
[10:39] <G0DJA> What is the record then?
[10:40] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: no, but i know these guys
[10:40] <junderwood_M0JCU> RocketBoy, is your radio really in Frankfurt?
[10:40] <jcoxon> junderwood_M0JCU, its not
[10:40] <junderwood_M0JCU> thought not
[10:40] <fsphil-2I0VIM> got a fair bit of noise on 434.075
[10:40] <junderwood_M0JCU> makes a change from people in the sea off W Africa
[10:40] <RocketBoy> thats better
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[10:41] <Lunar_Lander1> sorry
[10:41] <Lunar_Lander1> SP9UOB: did you answer?
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[10:41] <fsphil-2I0VIM> slowing again
[10:41] <G0DJA> Some instability in RX sigs creeping in here
[10:41] <fsphil-2I0VIM> what's going on
[10:42] <Upu_2E0UPU> space bats
[10:42] <fsphil-2I0VIM> cats?
[10:42] <Upu_2E0UPU> "woo woo"
[10:42] <fsphil-2I0VIM> ah
[10:42] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander1: Lunar_Lander: no, but i know these guys
[10:42] <fsphil-2I0VIM> the woo woo
[10:42] <fsphil-2I0VIM> that explains it
[10:42] <Lunar_Lander1> ah
[10:42] <Upu_2E0UPU> my new term for anything I can't understand or explain
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[10:42] <Lunar_Lander1> Upu_2E0UPU: Brian Cox?
[10:42] <Lunar_Lander1> xD
[10:42] <fsphil-2I0VIM> my ssdv encoder last night was producing a lot of woo woo
[10:42] <Upu_2E0UPU> No eroomde
[10:43] <Lunar_Lander1> SP9UOB: where are you based in Poland?
[10:43] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander1: Gliwice, Southern Polend (near KAtowice) - JO90HG
[10:43] <Lunar_Lander1> ah
[10:43] <_Hix> anyone got a disassembly manual for the AR8000 bottom pcb not shifting and can only find 2 screws. Middle pcb attached near BNC so cant move out of way
[10:44] <Lunar_Lander1> I'm from Osnabruck in western germany
[10:44] <fsphil-2I0VIM> SP9UOB, how much power will your HF beacon have, and what data mode does it transmit?
[10:45] <Lunar_Lander1> don't know the exact locator, sorry :)
[10:45] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander1: main goal is to test my new tracker, and make some pictures
[10:45] <Lunar_Lander1> because I am no ham yet
[10:45] <Lunar_Lander1> cool
[10:45] <fsphil-2I0VIM> everyone has a locator :)
[10:45] <Lunar_Lander1> xD yeah
[10:45] <fsphil-2I0VIM> Lunar_Lander1, http://f6fvy.free.fr/qthLocator/fullScreen.php
[10:45] <SP9UOB> fsphil-2I0VIM: about 2 Watts output on 29 MHz and 300 mW on 144.800
[10:46] <Lunar_Lander1> it says
[10:46] <Lunar_Lander1> JO42AG
[10:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> thats you then
[10:46] <fsphil-2I0VIM> 2 watts is pretty good, there's a chance it can be heard pretty far
[10:46] <cuddykid> morning all
[10:46] <Lunar_Lander1> wait
[10:46] <fsphil-2I0VIM> morn'n cuddykid
[10:46] <Lunar_Lander1> JO42CG it is
[10:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> greetings from IO93CS10, never worked out why they can't just use long/lat
[10:47] <cuddykid> hi fsphil-2I0VIM
[10:47] <fsphil-2I0VIM> IO64 something here
[10:47] <cuddykid> lol
[10:47] <fsphil-2I0VIM> IO64OO I think
[10:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> really nice signal here
[10:47] <fsphil-2I0VIM> no, IO64PP
[10:47] <cuddykid> is this XABEN flight another float attempt?
[10:47] <fsphil-2I0VIM> easier to remember (though I just proved that wrong)
[10:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> XABEN flight cuddykid
[10:48] <Morseman_G0DJA> IO93if64 here
[10:48] <_Hix> ahh go it. That was a bugger to get to
[10:48] <_Hix> wire on BNC has parted company
[10:48] <SP9UOB> fsphil-2I0VIM: i hope so - for 10m i want to use 1/2 wave vertical dipole (one half between parachute and payload, and second from payload)
[10:48] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: how annoying, sodding weather and winds :(
[10:49] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: do you have a notam for next weekend?
[10:49] <griffonbot> @jgrahamc: RT @jamescoxon: XABEN in the air #ukhas http://t.co/pAOZOoep [http://twitter.com/jgrahamc/status/176257975055417346]
[10:49] <SP9UOB> fsphil-2I0VIM: datamode - RTTY on HF (as used in dl-fldigi)
[10:49] <Lunar_Lander1> SP9UOB: what flight computer do you use?
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[10:49] <natrium42> jcoxon: lots of trackers, and you were complaining!
[10:49] <fsphil-2I0VIM> excellent SP9UOB, will definitely have a listen
[10:49] <Lunar_Lander1> hi PD3EM
[10:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah me too
[10:49] <jcoxon> natrium42, early on it was quiet
[10:49] <PD3EM> morning!
[10:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> I went to Tesco's at the wrong time
[10:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> :)
[10:50] <PD3EM> hearing the beacon but not a 100% decode yet...
[10:50] <fsphil-2I0VIM> signal should appear here shortly hopefully
[10:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> bloody snowing here
[10:50] <fsphil-2I0VIM> lol
[10:50] <fsphil-2I0VIM> sun's still out here
[10:50] <Lunar_Lander1> is tesco open on sunday?
[10:50] <fsphil-2I0VIM> most places open on sunday now
[10:50] <Lunar_Lander1> oh
[10:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> yes but they won't serve you until 10:00 due to some dumb probably religious sourced law
[10:51] <fsphil-2I0VIM> yea
[10:51] <Lunar_Lander1> in germany, many people don't do that
[10:51] <Upu_2E0UPU> so I was queuing at the counter
[10:51] <Lunar_Lander1> they arguement with the church too
[10:51] <fsphil-2I0VIM> I actually thought that was just here Upu_2E0UPU
[10:51] <Upu_2E0UPU> no they are dumb over here too fsphil
[10:51] <Lunar_Lander1> i.e. they say god also rested on day 7 and stuff
[10:51] <Upu_2E0UPU> god may have done, I don't got a launch to listen intoo
[10:51] <Lunar_Lander1> my professor told me that he went to the shopping center in the USA on sunday
[10:51] <Lunar_Lander1> and he had wine
[10:52] <Lunar_Lander1> and he wasn't served because they were not allowed to sell wine until the service was over
[10:52] <Lunar_Lander1> that was in the mid-1980s
[10:52] <fsphil-2I0VIM> it's probably improved since then
[10:52] <fsphil-2I0VIM> hopefully
[10:52] <Upu_2E0UPU> depends where you go I suspect
[10:52] <daveake> _Hix you have to remove the retaining nuts from the control knobs
[10:52] <Lunar_Lander1> yea
[10:53] <Lunar_Lander1> that was Louisiana
[10:53] <fsphil-2I0VIM> right, got to do a quick cleanup of the garden then tracking!
[10:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> the deep south is still quite reglious I believe
[10:53] <daveake> OIC you got past that bit :)
[10:53] <WillDuckworth> hi cuddykid - yeah, pulled my launch today - mainly cause i've got a code bug :(
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[10:53] <Lunar_Lander1> Upu_2E0UPU: I wanted to ask something about the GPS power supply
[10:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> shoot
[10:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Lunar_Lander1 are you ready to track, comming your way?
[10:53] <SP9UOB> fsphil-2I0VIM: my tracker: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/20111123_201726.jpg http://sp9uob.verox.pl/20111123_201703.jpg
[10:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> morning Brian
[10:53] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: ahh :( that's annoying - I had a few of them quite last minute, was quite a rush to get prepared in the end
[10:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi Upu_2E0UPU
[10:54] <_Hix> daveake - dont it. soldered and going back together
[10:54] <Upu_2E0UPU> another ipv6 enabled site SP9UOB, more than you think these days
[10:54] <Lunar_Lander1> OZ1SKY_Brian: I have to regret that I don't have the audio wire :( the one should be in the romanian mail and the other one is on its way from china (I hope)
[10:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Lunar_Lander1 oh ok thats a shame, cant you make a wire your self?
[10:55] <Lunar_Lander1> I don't know from what
[10:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> or is it a special one?
[10:55] <SP9UOB> Upu_2E0UPU: :-)
[10:55] <Lunar_Lander1> it is one of those male-to-male audio wires
[10:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> minijack?
[10:56] <Upu_2E0UPU> lunar
[10:56] <Upu_2E0UPU> go get 2 pairs of headphones
[10:56] <Upu_2E0UPU> and cut the wires off and tape together
[10:56] Action: Upu_2E0UPU pokes Lunar_Lander1
[10:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu_2E0UPU thats what i was thinking :-)
[10:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> or just play the sound back into the microphone
[10:57] <RocketBoy> grrrrr why is the ascent rate so slow - it was over 5 at one point
[10:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> not ideal
[10:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> "woo woo" Steve
[10:57] <RocketBoy> its not supposed to float
[10:57] <daveake> It's a bit up and down
[10:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> been up and down quite odd
[10:58] <RocketBoy> yeah
[10:58] <RocketBoy> hey ho
[10:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> faulty gas
[10:58] <RocketBoy> you never know
[10:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> good signal though
[10:58] <Lunar_Lander1> yea could try that Upu_2E0UPU
[10:59] <Lunar_Lander1> with the mic
[10:59] <jcoxon> is the pressure sensor dead?
[10:59] <daveake> Buzz1 and 2 had vertually identical parameters yet there was several km between them
[10:59] <daveake> Lots of variables I guess.
[10:59] <Lunar_Lander1> who wanted to fly the balloon pressure sensor?
[10:59] <Lunar_Lander1> benoxley it was I think?
[11:00] <RocketBoy> no pressures sensor fitted on this flight
[11:00] <daveake> Good job I put the pole up - tried my usual yagi-in-the-window for a test and got very little
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[11:09] <Lunar_Lander1> making dl-fldigi on ubuntu takes about 2000 m in altitude at 3 m/s ascent rate
[11:09] <Lunar_Lander1> :P
[11:10] <SP9UOB> In Poland - still nothing heard :-(
[11:10] <Lunar_Lander1> RocketBoy: no temperature too?
[11:12] <Lunar_Lander1> *no temperature sensor
[11:12] <Lunar_Lander1> *either
[11:13] <daveake> I thnk it's the "-26" near the end of every other sentence
[11:13] <Lunar_Lander1> yea
[11:13] <Lunar_Lander1> well there is no reception here yet
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[11:17] <SamSilver> the predictor says 36894m burst
[11:17] <SamSilver> daveake: ^^
[11:17] <jcoxon> SamSilver thats pre-set
[11:18] <SamSilver> right
[11:19] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander1: any reception in Germany ?
[11:20] <_Hix> Ha - one working AR8000 and the sound of RTTY about to go into the soundcard....
[11:20] <_Hix> loadsa background noise though
[11:20] <Lunar_Lander1> can someone give me a frequency please?
[11:20] <_Hix> 434.075
[11:20] <SamSilver> what is Ladbrookes offering on >41K ?
[11:20] <SP9UOB> 434.075Mhz
[11:21] <Lunar_Lander1> currently only noise on there
[11:21] <PD3EM_shack> 434.075.68 @1100 HZ but still no good decode her....
[11:22] <SamSilver> jcoxon: am not sure I inderstand "pre-set" as it now says 36906
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[11:23] <Lunar_Lander1> I just looked for a 70 cm Yagi
[11:24] <Lunar_Lander1> http://www.ebay.de/itm/YAGI-70cm-9dBi-380-500-MHz-RICHTANTENNE-/190570639113?pt=DE_TV_Video_Elektronik_Funkger%C3%A4te&hash=item2c5ee52f09 is this good?
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[11:24] <jcoxon> SamSilver, we've put in 37000m as the predicted altitude
[11:25] <jcoxon> it'll vary a little due to rounding errors etc
[11:25] <jcoxon> its in the way the predictor works
[11:26] <SamSilver> ahh now I get it
[11:26] <daveake> Just been out to sort out rigging as the wind's up now.
[11:26] <daveake> Got snowed on.
[11:26] <cuddykid> nothing on the whip here
[11:26] <Lunar_Lander1> Upu_2E0UPU: got a question about the GPS power supply
[11:26] <number10> are you on a boat daveake :p
[11:26] <daveake> number10 lol
[11:26] <number10> :)
[11:26] <Lunar_Lander1> jcoxon, daveake what do you think about the Yagi I found on ebay?
[11:27] <daveake> Nah, when I put the mast up the cable coming in to the house was a bit tight. Having loosened that there was to omuch slack in the guy ropes
[11:27] <Upu_2E0UPU> just ask Lunar
[11:27] <Lunar_Lander1> I found the Arduino Mega Pro 3.3V on sparkfun https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10744
[11:27] <Lunar_Lander1> is that good?
[11:28] <daveake> Price is
[11:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah I'd recommend a 3.3v on for HAB usage
[11:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> there are smaller versions of that too
[11:28] <jcoxon> the mega is quite expensive
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[11:28] <Lunar_Lander1> yeah but it has a lot of pins
[11:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9220
[11:29] <RocketBoy> humm why is the track er still showing me in frankfurt - i updated dl-fldigi ages ago
[11:29] <daveake> I use the Pro Mini 3.3V. Love it.
[11:29] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, refresh
[11:29] <Lunar_Lander1> ah
[11:29] <cuddykid> I wonder where my pcbs are..
[11:29] <daveake> Weighs next to nothing
[11:29] <Lunar_Lander1> how do you program it?
[11:29] <Lunar_Lander1> the pro mini
[11:29] <daveake> With a programmer
[11:29] <Lunar_Lander1> ah
[11:29] <daveake> Next question ... :p
[11:30] <Lunar_Lander1> as the mega needs that FTDI breakout
[11:30] <Lunar_Lander1> how does the HIH-4030 sensor work with it?
[11:30] <cuddykid> oh dear - still at the PO
[11:30] <RocketBoy> not sure i have the bw to refresh
[11:30] <daveake> You can get FTDI USB-serial boards that supply 3.3V
[11:30] <Lunar_Lander1> yea
[11:30] <Lunar_Lander1> and that plugs into the Pro Mega I saw
[11:30] <daveake> Mine is the dfrobot.com one
[11:31] <Lunar_Lander1> yea
[11:31] <daveake> Yeah, put a 6-pin header on the end
[11:31] <Lunar_Lander1> a programmer is like that adafruit one?
[11:31] <Lunar_Lander1> ah
[11:31] <daveake> No this stiill uses the bootloader
[11:31] <Lunar_Lander1> yes
[11:32] <Lunar_Lander1> so it can be plugged into the PC by using the FTDI?
[11:32] <fsphil-2I0VIM> getting a weak signal here now
[11:32] <daveake> Yes exactly
[11:32] <daveake> So then you have the same as a regular Duemiwotsit Arduino
[11:32] <daveake> Except 3V3 and 8MHz
[11:32] <Lunar_Lander1> ah
[11:32] <daveake> and much much smaller
[11:32] <Lunar_Lander1> yes
[11:33] <Lunar_Lander1> so not allowed to use a mega?
[11:33] <cuddykid> aergnoansofsdf - It's dawned on me that I probably won't get my pcbs for next weekend either :(
[11:33] <Upu_2E0UPU> not allowed ? You can use whatever you want Lunar :)
[11:34] <Lunar_Lander1> xD
[11:34] <daveake> Mega is expensive and heavy and probably more than you need
[11:34] <Lunar_Lander1> damn I have to read better
[11:34] <Lunar_Lander1> would I have read better on sparkfun I'd seen this link
[11:34] <Lunar_Lander1> http://www.arduino.cc/en/Guide/ArduinoProMini
[11:34] <Lunar_Lander1> which explains how to program it
[11:35] <Lunar_Lander1> yea Upu_2E0UPU
[11:35] <Lunar_Lander1> next question: that HIH-4030 humidity sensor is 5 V
[11:35] <Lunar_Lander1> and the DS18B20 is 5 V too, iirc
[11:35] <fsphil-2I0VIM> there's a loud carrier right next to one of the rtty tones
[11:35] <Lunar_Lander1> ideas?
[11:35] <daveake> DS18B20 will happily run from 3.3V
[11:35] <Lunar_Lander1> ah
[11:35] <daveake> humidity thing no idea
[11:36] <Lunar_Lander1> yes
[11:37] <Lunar_Lander1> I won't make it until May 31
[11:37] <Lunar_Lander1> :(
[11:37] <Lunar_Lander1> and then my best friend will end the friendship
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[11:38] <fsphil-2I0VIM> shift seems to be spot on 400hz
[11:39] <Upu_2E0UPU> you receiving ?
[11:39] <fsphil-2I0VIM> I can see it
[11:39] <Lunar_Lander1> daveake: I just looked at the Pins of the mini, it has like only three analogue pins
[11:39] <fsphil-2I0VIM> that's about it
[11:39] <_Hix> which flight do i choose indl-fldigi xeben?
[11:40] <fsphil-2I0VIM> xaben yea
[11:40] <Upu_2E0UPU> XABEN
[11:40] <Lunar_Lander1> but in comparison when I tried out the Uno, I needed all six analogue pins at one time
[11:40] <_Hix> hmmm loads of blurb on screen
[11:40] <_Hix> but thin signal is shocking
[11:40] <daveake> No, it has 6
[11:40] <Lunar_Lander1> I got the humidity sensor, the three axes of a accelerometer and the two lines from the BMP085
[11:40] <Lunar_Lander1> oh
[11:40] <daveake> A0-A3 down the side; others in the middle
[11:40] <fsphil-2I0VIM> slowly rising in frequency
[11:41] <Lunar_Lander1> the two unlabelled holes?
[11:41] <Dutch-Mill> _Hix try to narrow the shift to 411
[11:41] <daveake> Labelled underneath
[11:41] <Lunar_Lander1> ah
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[11:41] <Lunar_Lander1> so it has as many pins as an Uno
[11:41] <NigeyS> xaben up ?
[11:41] <Lunar_Lander1> hi NigeyS
[11:42] <Lunar_Lander1> positive
[11:42] <NigeyS> hi kev
[11:42] <NigeyS> whats dial freq?
[11:42] <_Hix> how do i alter shift?
[11:42] <Lunar_Lander1> 434.075.6 I think
[11:42] <fsphil-2I0VIM> 434.074-ish here
[11:42] <NigeyS> ta
[11:42] <andrew_apex> 43407484 here
[11:42] <daveake> _Hix right-click the "RTTY" box bottm-left
[11:43] <daveake> Choose "custom" in "Carrier Shift" then set in the box below
[11:43] <Lunar_Lander1> daveake: what can I do with the mini, can I install those female headers to have a board that looks like a Uno/Mega with the pins coming up to put cabels in?
[11:43] <Lunar_Lander1> cables
[11:43] <Lunar_Lander1> or I think cables could be soldered directly
[11:43] <daveake> I just solder directly
[11:43] <_Hix> done that now cheers guys
[11:43] <Lunar_Lander1> ah
[11:44] <daveake> See my bug :-) http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=277
[11:45] <fsphil-2I0VIM> the flying dog on the right caught my eye daveake
[11:45] <Lunar_Lander1> yeah I saw it before
[11:45] <Lunar_Lander1> flying dog?
[11:45] <daveake> Ah yes, SuperDog :)
[11:45] <daveake> Jumping into the Thames
[11:45] <fsphil-2I0VIM> typo though :) run/fun
[11:46] <daveake> tvm :)
[11:46] <fsphil-2I0VIM> ah same camera as mine
[11:47] <Lunar_Lander1> bosch can only use A4 and A5
[11:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> daveake do you mind if I put a link to the store in the bottom of that blog post about the smaller gps ?
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[11:47] <daveake> np, of course
[11:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> thx
[11:48] <Lunar_Lander1> you see
[11:48] <daveake> Linky so I can add it?
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[11:48] <Lunar_Lander1> my initial idea from a few weeks ago was that I use the veroboard I bought for the massive amount of 2 euro xD
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[11:48] <Lunar_Lander1> and to put up headers on it and try to make a board for NTX2 and sensors
[11:49] <_Hix> nah - no use signal far too weak. There wasnt so much a waterfall as a sea of yellow
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[11:49] <fsphil-2I0VIM> similar story here _Hix
[11:49] <_Hix> need to make a decent antenna
[11:49] <_Hix> fsphil, i'm pretty near it though
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[11:50] <fsphil-2I0VIM> ah
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[11:52] <Lunar_Lander1> daveake: what do you think?
[11:52] <Upu_2E0UPU> I put it in comments daveake
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[11:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> loop the loop...
[11:53] <NigeyS> looks like its about to do a 3rd ... lol
[11:53] <daveake> Oh, I'm just adding it anyway :)
[11:54] <Upu_2E0UPU> cheers
[11:54] <Upu_2E0UPU> yep
[11:55] <fsphil-2I0VIM> right over an airfield :)
[11:55] <Lunar_Lander1> daveake, Upu_2E0UPU your ideas to my suggestion?
[11:55] <Upu_2E0UPU> what was your suggestion Lunar_Lander sorry was doing random things
[11:56] <fsphil-2I0VIM> starting to get some numbers and commas, yay
[11:56] <Lunar_Lander1> no problem
[11:56] <Lunar_Lander1> one sec
[11:56] <Lunar_Lander1> (12:48:36) Lunar_Lander1: my initial idea from a few weeks ago was that I use the veroboard I bought for the massive amount of 2 euro xD
[11:56] <Lunar_Lander1> (12:48:54) Lunar_Lander1: and to put up headers on it and try to make a board for NTX2 and sensors
[11:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> sure why not
[11:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> make it on breadboard first though
[11:58] <Lunar_Lander1> yeah
[11:58] <daveake> Ascent rate up to 4.2m/s. Hopefully enough to avoid a float.
[11:58] <Lunar_Lander1> I mean the idea was when I gave raul the breadboard with your circuit (the one in the NTX2 tutorial) it failed
[11:59] <Lunar_Lander1> I thought that making the same circuit on a veroboard is much more reliable
[11:59] <PD3EM_shack> daveake: you don't want it to float to the netherlands?
[11:59] <daveake> Not my flight; I want Steve to get what Steve wants :)
[11:59] <andrew_apex> my collinear is a fair distance from the radio - any thoughts or opinions on this preamp? http://g0mrf.com/432LNA.htm
[12:00] <PD3EM_shack> daveake: you're right about that!
[12:00] <daveake> andrew_apex Use better cable?
[12:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> what cable are you using ?
[12:00] <andrew_apex> RG8 mini at the moment
[12:00] <andrew_apex> I can't really fit anything thicker
[12:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah get RG213
[12:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> ah
[12:00] <PD3EM_shack> still no clean decode here but receiving the signal for some time now
[12:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> send a screen shot PD3EM
[12:01] <fsphil-2I0VIM> it's a bit weaker than usual
[12:01] <andrew_apex> I've got a run of RG213 I use for important launches, but it's pretty messy as the cableruns through the house
[12:01] <_Hix> Cool - my ARRL Antenna design book has finished downloading. Its huuge
[12:02] <PD3EM_shack> Upu_2E0UPU: sending it...
[12:02] <NigeyS> yey i got an x a , and a 3 .... lol
[12:02] <SP9UOB> PD3EM_shack: still nothing here
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[12:02] <PD3EM_shack> http://yfrog.com/hwk4mkfj
[12:02] <Lunar_Lander1> Upu_2E0UPU, daveake I look at my Mega 2560 and think: "When I see your smile...tears run down my face"
[12:02] <Lunar_Lander1> XD
[12:02] <fsphil-2I0VIM> wobbly carrier
[12:02] <gonzo_> but very little overall freq drift
[12:02] <fsphil-2I0VIM> steady again
[12:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> getting close PD3EM
[12:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> seems a noisy signal
[12:03] <fsphil-2I0VIM> I'd like it to drift a bit, it's directly over some QRM :)
[12:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> adjust the shift up a little
[12:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> what radio are you using ?
[12:03] <Lunar_Lander1> phew no one noticed my singing
[12:03] <Lunar_Lander1> xD
[12:03] <PD3EM_shack> I got some static noise ticks here.... :-(
[12:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> what radio ?
[12:03] <PD3EM_shack> FT-847
[12:04] <Upu_2E0UPU> that should have a noise blanker on ?
[12:04] <gonzo_> a good radio
[12:04] <Upu_2E0UPU> NB ?
[12:04] <PD3EM_shack> digital NB is on
[12:04] <Upu_2E0UPU> on the 817 hold down F quickly
[12:04] <Upu_2E0UPU> oh ok
[12:04] <daveake> Mast + RG213 + somewhite stuff that's been falling on it http://imgur.com/7FZeV
[12:04] <fsphil-2I0VIM> $&$vXDB1,0:Z-50
[12:04] <fsphil-2I0VIM> getting there :)
[12:04] <Upu_2E0UPU> reduce the input volume a tad PD3EM
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[12:05] <Lunar_Lander1> cool garden daveake
[12:05] <Lunar_Lander1> :)
[12:05] <Upu_2E0UPU> its a rock solid signal from here
[12:05] <daveake> cold
[12:05] <daveake> yeah great signal here too
[12:05] <Upu_2E0UPU> not move a "hz" since I started tracking
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[12:06] <PD3EM_shack> playing with the settings on the microham MK2R+
[12:06] <Upu_2E0UPU> could be your sound card too
[12:06] <cuddykid> it's making circles again!
[12:07] <PD3EM_shack> got it almost ~~$d$$ $XABEN,478,12:66:36/5r.86608,2.80011l2842,0.02.;4l-26;3.2997:1.1363r*5C6
[12:07] <cuddykid> that area made circles with APEXIII too
[12:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://i.imgur.com/xWkMz.png
[12:07] <cuddykid> very odd
[12:07] <daveake> close!
[12:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> live prediction may wobble just updating it
[12:08] <Lunar_Lander1> yeah
[12:08] <Lunar_Lander1> lunch time
[12:08] <fsphil-2I0VIM> mmm
[12:08] <fsphil-2I0VIM> signal's too weak for the AFC to keep up
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[12:09] <PD3EM_shack> afc is following the little drift good
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[12:10] <PD3EM_shack> :-( gotta go .... I'll be back in some time. Leave it in the air a little longer
[12:11] <PD3EM_shack> I'll leave the tracking on
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[12:13] <daveake> RocketBoy Dried out yet?
[12:13] <Upu_2E0UPU> OZ1SKY_Brian you should be able to get this one shortly
[12:14] <RocketBoy> i don't think i ever will
[12:14] <daveake> lol
[12:14] <eroomde> i've missed everything havn't I
[12:14] <daveake> Snow here - http://imgur.com/7FZeV
[12:14] <RocketBoy> feet are soaking
[12:14] <eroomde> yeah snow here too
[12:14] <daveake> Loan launch?
[12:14] <eroomde> not surprising as daveake and i are close
[12:14] <daveake> Lone
[12:14] <eroomde> http://www.raintoday.co.uk/
[12:15] <eroomde> hopeing it clears soon as i want to go for a cycle
[12:15] <daveake> Oh that pic was rotated earlier :(
[12:15] <fsphil-2I0VIM> no snow here :( stupid sunshine
[12:15] <eroomde> i did a big cycle yesterday and felt so good for it
[12:16] <fsphil-2I0VIM> past 30km, and increased speed again
[12:16] <daveake> Yep. Not looking at all like it'll float now
[12:17] <RocketBoy> yeah - 5.2m/sec
[12:17] <number10> was the intention a float?
[12:18] <daveake> nope
[12:18] <_Hix> any idea how you can listen to the RTTY when it's going into the mic port?
[12:18] <eroomde> what os?
[12:19] <_Hix> XP
[12:19] <daveake> You mean, you listen via the speakers?
[12:19] <_Hix> yeah
[12:19] <NigeyS> set the playback device as mic if ure using win7
[12:19] <daveake> Try control panel --> sounds
[12:19] <RocketBoy> number10: na its not meant to float
[12:19] <eroomde> canni help i'm afriad
[12:19] <daveake> there might be a "monitor input" checkbox
[12:19] <Upu_2E0UPU> under control panel -> sounds -> recording -> pick the mike input one of the tabs has a "Listen" check box
[12:20] <_Hix> got it. Mike was not checked as displayed
[12:20] <_Hix> ta
[12:20] <cuddykid> what's the chase car doing?! - Getting a boat?
[12:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> going home I suspect cuddykid
[12:20] <cuddykid> ahh right :P
[12:20] <eroomde> i don't think you wanna be boating out 100km into the north sea on a day like this
[12:20] <eroomde> http://www.raintoday.co.uk/
[12:21] <cuddykid> lol
[12:21] <eroomde> just have a look at the amount of activity heading that way
[12:21] <cuddykid> poor payload
[12:21] <NigeyS> just a small sun shower then
[12:21] <daveake> I didn't want to boat 500m out for my last launch
[12:21] <daveake> burst?
[12:22] <daveake> gone all strange-soudning
[12:22] <SamSilver> pop
[12:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> big wobble
[12:22] <SamSilver> down we come
[12:22] <NigeyS> it'll be popped
[12:22] <RocketBoy> oh dear
[12:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> burst
[12:22] <cuddykid> might land on land!
[12:22] <cuddykid> but very slow descent :(
[12:23] <daveake> So my gun was well aimed :p
[12:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> spinning
[12:23] <daveake> Ice on the envelope I reckon
[12:24] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=1570f77f8e333f2b3356692b7a47e43a302f3941
[12:24] <SamSilver> nice shot daveake
[12:24] <daveake> ta LOL
[12:24] <cuddykid> daveake: aim again - this time take out the chute!
[12:24] <RocketBoy> no cigar
[12:25] <daveake> :(
[12:25] <Upu_2E0UPU> interesting
[12:25] <Upu_2E0UPU> be interested in a debrief on that RocketBoy at some point
[12:25] <daveake> Light payload + 1600 should have gone a lot higher than that
[12:25] <daveake> Even my first one like that did
[12:25] <RocketBoy> yep - must be down to the rain in some way
[12:26] <jcoxon> i suspect weather
[12:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> can't decode anything atm
[12:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> sounds like its properly spinning
[12:26] <daveake> Steve back in your car, go get it :)
[12:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> its going in the sea
[12:26] <Laurenceb_> did upload work?
[12:26] <daveake> ah ok don't see a prediction here
[12:26] <junderwood_M0JCU> I think ice in the balloon neck is generally a bad thing
[12:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=1570f77f8e333f2b3356692b7a47e43a302f3941
[12:27] <Laurenceb_> oops
[12:27] <daveake> oh :(
[12:27] <daveake> Sounds like it's spinning a lot
[12:27] <RocketBoy> yeah - I stongly suspect ice for some of the flight - think most of it boiled off bear the end
[12:27] <daveake> RocketBoy parachute?
[12:27] <RocketBoy> yeah
[12:28] <RocketBoy> its mantatory in the uk
[12:28] <Laurenceb_> its too big
[12:28] <junderwood_M0JCU> what sort of parachute?
[12:28] <RocketBoy> 18" spherachute
[12:28] <RocketBoy> :-(
[12:29] <RocketBoy> it was predicted to land if suffolk
[12:29] <RocketBoy> that why I launched from EARS in the end
[12:29] <fsphil-2I0VIM> hah, it's snowing here
[12:29] <Laurenceb_> way too slow
[12:29] <Laurenceb_> did upload work?
[12:29] <SP9UOB> is the chasing boat ready? ;-)
[12:30] <RocketBoy> it stood a chance of landing on land accoriding to the predictor - but that ddn't take into account the rain
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[12:30] <junderwood_M0JCU> It will get even slower when (if) the parachute stabilises
[12:30] <RocketBoy> looks like a nice landing rate
[12:30] <RocketBoy> not that its a concern now its landing at sea
[12:31] <daveake> On the plus side, I'll be able to take my mast down before it turns into a snowman
[12:31] Action: RocketBoy hums the tune of "those in peril on the sea"
[12:32] <cuddykid> rain cleared now here :D
[12:32] <cuddykid> brightening up yay!
[12:32] <fsphil-2I0VIM> hailstones here now
[12:32] <cuddykid> we had snow earlier :(
[12:33] <cuddykid> and hailstones lol
[12:33] <Laurenceb_> did upload work?
[12:33] <RocketBoy> shame cos it was a 90g payload all in (before the rain got to it)
[12:33] <cuddykid> ooo upload?!
[12:34] Action: cuddykid ears pricks up
[12:34] <Upu_2E0UPU> wrong flight Laurenceb
[12:34] <chembrow_M6PXL> not getting any decodes now, nearly but nothing cleam
[12:34] <daveake> 90g? flabby ;)
[12:34] <cuddykid> it's making circles again :P
[12:34] <RocketBoy> yeah no upload
[12:35] <Upu_2E0UPU> off to get lunch
[12:35] <daveake> good idea
[12:35] <priyesh> RocketBoy: which pressure sensors are you using on XABEN today?
[12:35] <SP9UOB> RocketBoy: what batteries did You use?
[12:35] <chembrow_M6PXL> how do you deal with the signal falling off the end of the waterfall in fldigi?
[12:36] <chembrow_M6PXL> is that just the audio input range?
[12:36] <RocketBoy> no pressure sensor - AAA energiser
[12:36] <RocketBoy> lithiums
[12:37] <junderwood_M0JCU> Signal seems to have stabilised
[12:37] <RocketBoy> I thought the frequency was remarckably stable given there was no attempt to stabilize it
[12:38] <junderwood_M0JCU> OK. No fading / spinning
[12:38] <daveake> RocketBoy Single AAA + step-up?
[12:38] <daveake> Very stable
[12:38] <RocketBoy> nope 3
[12:38] <daveake> Ah OK
[12:38] <priyesh> RocketBoy: ah - what is spacenear.us displaying wrt pressure then?
[12:38] <chembrow_M6PXL> I've been receiving on a constant 434.0754 the whole time
[12:38] <junderwood_M0JCU> What transmitter?
[12:38] <RocketBoy> ntx2
[12:38] <daveake> I'll probably use 2 + step-up (step-up efficiency is approx 80% from 2 but 60% from 1)
[12:39] <junderwood_M0JCU> Wow. Well insulated?
[12:39] <RocketBoy> pressure was just the code decoding a non exsistant BMP085
[12:39] <priyesh> ah
[12:41] <RocketBoy> junderwood_M: yeah about 20mm of extruded polystyrene
[12:42] <Lunar_Lander1> hello RocketBoy, thank you for XABEN-22
[12:42] <Lunar_Lander1> or 23?
[12:42] <RocketBoy> 22
[12:43] <RocketBoy> np
[12:43] <Lunar_Lander1> schnitzel was not that good
[12:43] <Lunar_Lander1> :(
[12:43] <SP9UOB> daveake: consider CR123A
[12:44] <SP9UOB> 1600 mAh
[12:44] <RocketBoy> yeah thats a good choice
[12:44] <Lunar_Lander1> what is your opinion on http://www.ebay.de/itm/YAGI-70cm-9dBi-380-500-MHz-RICHTANTENNE-/190570639113?pt=DE_TV_Video_Elektronik_Funkger%C3%A4te&hash=item2c5ee52f09 this antenna?
[12:44] <SP9UOB> about 16 grams
[12:44] <SP9UOB> per battery
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[12:46] <Lunar_Lander1> RocketBoy, daveake, SP9UOB?
[12:46] <Lunar_Lander1> and hello priyesh
[12:46] <priyesh> hi Lunar_Lander1
[12:46] <joph> Lunar_Lander1, the price is good
[12:46] <cuddykid> I wonder whether this will land on land&
[12:46] <Lunar_Lander1> joph: ah, specs good too?
[12:46] <joph> don't know
[12:46] <Lunar_Lander1> ah
[12:47] <joph> i just added it to my watchlist @ebay
[12:47] <Lunar_Lander1> I think I need a coax cable for it, right?
[12:47] <Lunar_Lander1> ah
[12:47] <joph> it has a FME-m connector, first i need to buy a radio ;)
[12:48] <joph> yeah, you need of course a cable
[12:48] <joph> as short as possible ;)
[12:48] <Lunar_Lander1> yea
[12:48] <Lunar_Lander1> FME connector
[12:48] <Lunar_Lander1> OK
[12:48] <joph> has anyone of you this charger? http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultrafire-3-6-3-7v-battery-charger-1251
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[12:50] <RocketBoy> this is where a dual deployment chute would help
[12:50] <Lunar_Lander1> like drogue and mains as on Mercury, Gemini, Apollo?
[12:51] <RocketBoy> yeah
[12:51] <Lunar_Lander1> yea
[12:51] <Lunar_Lander1> but what if deployment fails
[12:51] <RocketBoy> a droge down to 1000m then main
[12:51] <Lunar_Lander1> yea
[12:51] <Lunar_Lander1> or wait
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[12:51] <Lunar_Lander1> I forgot the best example
[12:51] <Lunar_Lander1> Joe Kittinger!
[12:51] <RocketBoy> yeah
[12:51] <Lunar_Lander1> :)
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[12:52] <daveake> Garden + mast http://imgur.com/qUvxf
[12:52] <daveake> (very wide angle lens)
[12:53] <number10> more snow
[12:53] <daveake> Yep. Still coming
[12:53] <number10> :(
[12:53] <cuddykid> SUN!
[12:53] <cuddykid> :D
[12:53] <SP9UOB> see You all
[12:53] <cuddykid> breaking through the clouds
[12:54] <cuddykid> daveake: that is fantastic
[12:54] <number10> cu SP9UOB
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[12:54] <cuddykid> there's someone with a few huge antennas like that in his garden near me - must be a HAM enthusiast - never spoken to him though
[12:55] <daveake> Yeah, there's one at the other end of our village.
[12:55] <daveake> I did try to get him to help track but he never replied
[12:55] <_Hix> daveake, what antenna is it?
[12:55] <daveake> Watson W300 cheap off ebay
[12:56] <daveake> As you can see this is just a temporary setup. It's all coming down after the flight
[12:56] <number10> why is it windy there
[12:56] <RocketBoy> ok time to uplink the main cuttoff ;-)
[12:56] <number10> :p
[12:57] <cuddykid> ol
[12:57] <cuddykid> *lol
[12:57] <cuddykid> that would be neat..
[12:57] <cuddykid> hence why we need an uplink!
[12:57] <daveake> Maybe I should shoot out the parachute line :p
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[12:57] <cuddykid> :P
[12:57] <RocketBoy> laser
[12:57] <cuddykid> sharp shooter
[12:58] <cuddykid> accelerating towards the coast :( noo
[12:58] <daveake> It'll be in good company
[12:58] <number10> bird just flew into my antenna :( bent the wire and one section of pole collapsed :(
[12:58] <daveake> lol
[12:58] <daveake> Not heard that excuse before :)
[12:59] <number10> probably did not see the 1/4 wave
[12:59] <RocketBoy> there is probably a saggaso sea of payloads in the north sea somewhere
[12:59] <SpeedEvil> Was the bird OK?
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[12:59] <number10> dunno about the bird - will go out and check
[13:00] <daveake> Starting to have trouble decoding now
[13:02] <number10> you have bird problems aswell daveake ?
[13:02] <cuddykid> if only it had little thrusters on
[13:02] <daveake> Birds fly fast enough without thrusters
[13:03] Action: cuddykid waves goodbye to xaben
[13:03] <daveake> North Sea waves wave hello to xaben
[13:04] <Lunar_Lander1> xD
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[13:05] <RocketBoy> certainly a strange flight all round
[13:06] <daveake> Lost it here now
[13:06] <Lunar_Lander1> yea
[13:06] <daveake> afk - time to rescue the kit from the snow
[13:06] Nick change: number10 -> number10_2E0DBR
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[13:07] <cuddykid> I think I might contact my good sponsors robosavvy and see if they can send me an arduino pro mini
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[13:08] <CovBalloon> great signal from coventry with home made yagi, shame I only just realised there was a balloon in flight, covered in ice and freezing standing on garden furniture
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[13:11] <cuddykid> ?
[13:11] <CovBalloon> sorry, had to run back in with laptop open
[13:11] <cuddykid> lol
[13:12] <SpeedEvil> never run with open laptops.
[13:12] <SpeedEvil> (or scissors
[13:12] <CovBalloon> damn its cold
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[13:13] Nick change: junderwood_M0JCU -> junderwood
[13:14] <Lunar_Lander1> Upu_2E0UPU: still there?
[13:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah
[13:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> sounds like its spinning still
[13:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> and given the decent rate - tangle ?
[13:15] <Lunar_Lander1> yeah
[13:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> oh actually decent is ok
[13:15] <Lunar_Lander1> I meant if you are still on the keyboard :P
[13:15] <Lunar_Lander1> but nice to hear that xaben is still there too
[13:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> I went to get a bit to eat
[13:16] <Lunar_Lander1> ah
[13:16] <Lunar_Lander1> yeah my lunch wasn't that good
[13:16] <Lunar_Lander1> hope yours is better
[13:16] <RocketBoy> the descent rate has been changing arounf what it should be - I'll graph it later
[13:16] <Upu_2E0UPU> 2000 meters
[13:17] <RocketBoy> its your best direction itsn't upu?
[13:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> fading
[13:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> yes
[13:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> not decoding
[13:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> 1v74 meters :)
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[13:17] <RocketBoy> a watery grave awaits xaben-22
[13:17] <costyn> Mmm the north sea is hungry these days
[13:17] <Lunar_Lander1> yea
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[13:18] <costyn> was this another case of 'not supposed to happen'?
[13:18] <Lunar_Lander1> lol I just wonder how it would be if Jon Bon Jovi rings on your door and brings your payload home
[13:18] <Lunar_Lander1> xD
[13:18] <daveake> Arrrfggggghhhhhhh Shiver Me Aluminium that was cold
[13:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> gone
[13:20] <daveake> The things we do for HAB .... http://i.imgur.com/uEaJA.jpg :-)
[13:20] <RocketBoy> still in the air until 13:24
[13:20] <RocketBoy> according to the tracker
[13:20] <daveake> Lost it a while back here
[13:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> Should be still about for G4TNX
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[13:21] <costyn> daveake: wait is that today?
[13:21] <Lunar_Lander1> daveake: cool chairs!
[13:21] <Lunar_Lander1> xD
[13:21] Nick change: Upu_2E0UPU -> Upu
[13:21] <fsphil-2I0VIM> splash
[13:22] <daveake> costyn Yes that was just now
[13:22] Nick change: fsphil-2I0VIM -> fsphil-laptop
[13:22] <fsphil-laptop> that's a lot more snow that we got!
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[13:22] <daveake> Lot more than I was expecting :(
[13:22] <CovBalloon> Do the RNLI want a recovery exercise?
[13:22] <fsphil-laptop> ah, extendy pole!
[13:22] <daveake> Expect I'll thaw out sometime this evening
[13:22] <costyn> daveake: why is there snow? it's like 10 degrees here.. nowhere near freezing :)
[13:22] <daveake> Because I'm not where you are
[13:22] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[13:22] <Morseman_G0DJA> Was I 'last man receiving"!?
[13:23] <fsphil-laptop> indeed Morseman_G0DJA!
[13:23] <costyn> daveake: :)
[13:23] <Morseman_G0DJA> Wow
[13:23] <fsphil-laptop> I managed not to receive anything from it
[13:23] <fsphil-laptop> far too weak
[13:23] <daveake> Loser
[13:23] <daveake> lol
[13:23] <fsphil-laptop> it was like a sporadic E, only in reverse
[13:23] <Lunar_Lander1> Upu what other options are there when we got 5V as well as 3.3V devices?
[13:24] <daveake> On the way up I could hear from only 600m; on the way down I lost it waaay before that
[13:24] <NigeyS> i got an X and , do i get a prize? :D
[13:24] <fsphil-laptop> stick to a single voltage for them all. will make your life much easier
[13:24] <daveake> +1
[13:24] <Lunar_Lander1> yea
[13:24] <Lunar_Lander1> but that Honeywell sensor wants 5 V
[13:25] <daveake> Go with the majority
[13:25] <Lunar_Lander1> yea
[13:25] <Lunar_Lander1> as far as I know, everything else needs 3.3V
[13:25] <Lunar_Lander1> GPS
[13:25] <Lunar_Lander1> and SD
[13:26] <Lunar_Lander1> and the bosch and maxim sensors
[13:26] Nick change: Morseman_G0DJA -> Morseman
[13:27] <Lunar_Lander1> OK this one uses 3.3V https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10239
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[13:27] <Lunar_Lander1> but it has the same output as the bosch
[13:28] Nick change: number10_2E0DBR -> number10
[13:28] <Lunar_Lander1> and that already occupies A4 and A5
[13:28] <daveake> Using A4/5 for analog or i2c?
[13:30] <Lunar_Lander1> I2C
[13:30] <Lunar_Lander1> on the sensor there is SDA and SCL
[13:30] <daveake> So 2 i2c devices?
[13:30] <Lunar_Lander1> yes
[13:30] <Lunar_Lander1> if I get that H10 sensor
[13:30] <daveake> Problem solved then
[13:30] <Lunar_Lander1> ?
[13:31] <daveake> i2c is a bus
[13:31] <daveake> multiple slaves
[13:31] <Lunar_Lander1> yes
[13:32] <Lunar_Lander1> someone in the comment says
[13:32] <Lunar_Lander1> "How does this work without XCLR"
[13:32] <Lunar_Lander1> " How do i switch to other I2C slave if i have more? Im not seeing any XCLR outputs. Also, what is FOUT for?"
[13:32] <Lunar_Lander1> and someone else "A few tips on this device:
[13:32] <Lunar_Lander1>  you only need I2C once to read 2 values from eeprom; you can make those values constants in code and disconnect i2c"
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[13:33] <daveake> With i2c you select the device using its address. So you can have multiple slaves on the same bus.
[13:34] <Lunar_Lander1> yes
[13:35] <Lunar_Lander1> so it is probably good to buy this sensor?
[13:36] <daveake> I can't say - I don't know what it can do, what you want, or hwat else you have in your circuit. But multiple slaves on i2c shouldn't be an issue.
[13:36] <Lunar_Lander1> ok
[13:37] <Lunar_Lander1> daveake: Nate says about the Honeywell
[13:37] <Lunar_Lander1> "After testing, this sensor worked really well at 3.3V. You just have to linearly convert the 5V graph to 3.3V."
[13:37] <daveake> Honeywell - this is an analog o/p?
[13:37] <Lunar_Lander1> yes, has only 5V, GND and OUT
[13:38] <Lunar_Lander1> connects to an analogue pin on arduino
[13:38] <daveake> So give it 5V, and use a pot divider to reduce the o/p voltage
[13:39] <Lunar_Lander1> yea
[13:39] <Lunar_Lander1> and when I would use the 3.3V arduino?
[13:39] <Lunar_Lander1> I mean from where does the power come from
[13:39] <daveake> Battery --> regulator
[13:39] <Lunar_Lander1> ah
[13:39] <daveake> If it needs a regulator. Check the datasheer
[13:39] <daveake> t
[13:40] <Lunar_Lander1> 4-5.8V input to it
[13:40] <Lunar_Lander1> but when I get nate's comment right, it will accept 3.3V
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[13:46] <Lunar_Lander1> well
[13:46] <Lunar_Lander1> thanks daveake, I'll be back later :)
[13:46] <daveake> I bet :)
[13:46] <daveake> Damn ... I started recording the flight, but then I rebooted dl-fldigi (it wasn't decoding when I thought it should be) then didn't restart the recording :(
[13:47] <daveake> Done that before
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[13:50] <Morseman> I shall have to join two recordings together after I had to restart PC as FL-Digi had all but frozen up
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[13:50] <Morseman> But I did remember to save a new WAV file
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[14:09] <fsphil-laptop> I keep forgetting to record the signals from my own flights
[14:11] <fsphil-laptop> mmm home made pizza
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[14:26] <F6AGV> Bye everybody
[14:26] <fsphil-laptop> cya F6AGV
[14:27] <F6AGV> See you thesday with FALCON BALLOON
[14:27] <F6AGV> I switch off !
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[14:28] <F6AGV> french men here ?
[14:29] <F6AGV> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I love balloon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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[14:29] <fsphil-laptop> epic
[14:30] <gonzo_> atcually just off to shops to buy toppings for same phil
[14:30] <fsphil-laptop> excellent!
[14:31] <NigeyS> i fancy a big mac for lunch :|
[14:32] <fsphil-laptop> ooh
[14:32] <NigeyS> its a bit of a walk mind, be cold by the time i get home with it :/
[14:32] <fsphil-laptop> bus?
[14:32] <Randomskk> eat it on the way home :|
[14:32] <fsphil-laptop> sit in?
[14:32] <NigeyS> in the rain? lol
[14:32] Action: Randomskk is a class act
[14:33] <Randomskk> I guess you could also eat in...
[14:33] Action: Randomskk had brunch, no need for lunch :D
[14:33] <NigeyS> could eat in, but the place is normally filled with screaching kids ! :@
[14:33] Action: NigeyS remembers phils meal at mcdonalds in paddington
[14:33] <NigeyS> no chips! lmao
[14:33] <gonzo_> ugh, hateful place
[14:34] <fsphil-laptop> that's right
[14:34] <fsphil-laptop> gits
[14:34] <NigeyS> they refused to serve him chips! lol
[14:34] <gonzo_> ?
[14:34] <NigeyS> to early or something ... ?
[14:34] <fsphil-laptop> yea, was too early I think
[14:34] <Randomskk> too early for chips?
[14:34] <Randomskk> at mcdonalds?
[14:34] <NigeyS> its not 10am yet you shall NOT have fries !!
[14:35] <Randomskk> :|
[14:35] <gonzo_> I spent 3 months buying mcshite food for 3 meals a day once
[14:35] <NigeyS> your face when you only got served 1 hash brown phil...lol
[14:35] <gonzo_> but binned or gave it away
[14:35] <fsphil-laptop> at least it was nice NigeyS
[14:35] <gonzo_> as it was only a fiddle to get a recipt to park there
[14:35] <NigeyS> should think so for what you payed for it, the chips were bloody cheaper!
[14:36] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[14:36] <NigeyS> lol gonzo_
[14:36] <fsphil-laptop> next time we go to KFC
[14:36] <NigeyS> yush!!
[14:36] <gonzo_> better finding a good pub meal
[14:36] <NigeyS> we'd probably have got totally lost
[14:36] <gonzo_> get cuttlery, table service and a beer
[14:36] <NigeyS> the train station was bad enough!
[14:37] <gonzo_> (and not expected to clear your own table)
[14:37] <NigeyS> and it cost 30p to take a pee!!!!!!
[14:37] <gonzo_> I thought it was called 'spending a penny!?'
[14:37] <NigeyS> lol good point
[14:38] <NigeyS> spend "30 pennies"
[14:39] <NigeyS> mym major accomplishment that day ........ carrying 15 pizzas up 4 flights of stairs and not dropping them !
[14:41] <fsphil-laptop> and staying awake
[14:42] <NigeyS> oh yeah, i think we both did well there!
[14:42] <NigeyS> where's the next 1 anyway? :D
[14:42] <fsphil-laptop> I'll catch up on my sleep now :)
[14:43] <NigeyS> lol
[14:47] <_Hix> daveake_, is that watson 300 a dipole with groundplane?
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[14:50] <Morseman> _Hix I would doubt it - probably some form of loaded monopole
[14:50] <Morseman> dipole wouldn't need a groundplane
[14:51] <_Hix> ahh ok - was confusing me a little
[14:52] <_Hix> right off for the rugby and a pint. Cheers guys
[14:54] <NigeyS> ttyl :)
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[15:12] <joph> has anyone of you a imax b6 or mystery b6 charger?
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[15:27] <zyp> I've got a b6ac
[15:28] <daveake_> _Hix The W300 is a collinear. It would have had a groundplane but I forgot to screw it in :B
[15:29] <daveake_> oh too late
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[16:06] <PD3EM_shack> it's a pity that another payload is lost at sea.... :-(
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[16:18] <griffonbot> @PD3EM: I tried to decode the XABEN HAB over the UK today http://t.co/8m6BlqCE and received the 10 mW beacon http://t.co/8sPuxhVy #ukhas #hab [http://twitter.com/PD3EM/status/176340722306387968]
[16:29] <griffonbot> @RN7A: RT @PD3EM: I tried to decode the XABEN HAB over the UK today http://t.co/8m6BlqCE and received the 10 mW beacon http://t.co/8sPuxhVy #uk ... [http://twitter.com/RN7A/status/176343725365149696]
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[16:57] <PD3EM_shack> I hope to get a Czech radio amateur ready as tracker soon :-)
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[17:12] <Morseman> Who wanted copies of the received WAV files please?
[17:14] <PD3EM_shack> Morseman: yep. sent me one to test it with my setup. I could receive today but no 100% decode....
[17:14] <Morseman> PD3EM_Shack I didn't realise that todays payload included a 10m TX. I thought that was goung to be on the one from Poland later in the month
[17:14] <PD3EM_shack> Morseman: it hadn't a 10m beacon. Just 70cm
[17:15] <Morseman> Ah - I was confused by the griffonbot message...
[17:16] <PD3EM_shack> haha 10mW, not 10m ;-)
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[17:16] <daveake_> Morseman It was jcoxon
[17:16] <PD3EM_shack> Morseman: you can sent a wav to info at my callsign dot com
[17:16] <Morseman> I've not tried to tidy it up and I may need to increase the audio input to DL-FLDigi next time - all the different audio based programs seem to require different audio levels...
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[17:17] <NigeyS> evening jonsowman
[17:17] <jonsowman> hi NigeyS
[17:17] <NigeyS> how goes it ?
[17:17] <jonsowman> ntb thanks
[17:17] <jonsowman> you?
[17:18] <NigeyS> all good thanks :D
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[17:19] <PD3EM_shack> there are options for a long floating HAB. I got a new tracker in OK
[17:27] <Morseman> Thanks daveake I'll see if there's an email address for him somewhere about on the various github and other sites
[17:27] <chris_99> you guys seen http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/120803-vortex-radio-waves-could-boost-wireless-capacity-infinitely
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[17:54] <Morseman> PD3EM_shack The WAV is on its way but I did not realise it was quite so big a file so is taking a long time to upload
[17:56] <PD3EM_shack> Morseman: Thanks! I hope it's not too big ;-) I'll let you know when i got it
[17:58] <Morseman> It's over 160MB...
[17:58] <Morseman> I can break it into smaller files if either ISP blocks it
[18:00] <PD3EM_shack> Morseman: thats too big for email... maybe via dropbox?
[18:01] <Morseman> Never used a dropbox - I'll have to do some reading about how to set one up
[18:03] <Morseman> OK - Looks straight forward (famous last words) I'll set one up and will email a link
[18:03] <PD3EM_shack> Morseman: Great! You don't need to install it. works also via website
[18:04] <Morseman> Yes, but I will need to tell you where it is ;-)
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[18:05] <PD3EM_shack> Morseman: haaha true...
[18:05] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:05] <PD3EM_shack> Hi Lunar_Lander
[18:05] <Lunar_Lander> hi PD3EM_shack
[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> I was in the town and visited a book sale
[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> was quite interesting
[18:06] <PD3EM_shack> got any nice books?
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, two books on modern physics and chemistry each, one about "presents from your kitchen", three books about the "ALF" TV series, a small physics encyclopedia
[18:08] <Lunar_Lander> then a fictional book about spaceflight
[18:08] <Lunar_Lander> which begins in London, 1944 and then goes to the 80s
[18:08] <Lunar_Lander> it has the real space missions but several extra stories
[18:08] <Lunar_Lander> like Gemini 13 and Apollo 18 and so on
[18:09] <PD3EM_shack> great! It's still nce to have some real paper on the bookshelves instead of 0's and 1's only
[18:09] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:09] <Lunar_Lander> I think the most important I got is Anne Frank's diary
[18:12] <PD3EM_shack> that's some important history. A lot of people still haven't learned a thing from her diary...
[18:12] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:15] <Lunar_Lander> I read the book by Walter Lewin of MIT
[18:16] <Lunar_Lander> "For the Love of Physics"
[18:16] <Lunar_Lander> he was born and raised near Den Haag IIRC
[18:16] <Lunar_Lander> and then worked in Delft
[18:16] <Lunar_Lander> before going to the USA
[18:16] <Lunar_Lander> and the first chapter is about the war in the Netherlands
[18:17] <PD3EM_shack> I haven't read that one...
[18:18] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:19] <Morseman> PD3EM_shack email on its way - decided to instal Dropbox anyway as it may be useful for similar uses in the future
[18:19] <Lunar_Lander> oh and I got a book by a man who was in a Soviet prison
[18:21] <PD3EM_shack> Morseman: I got the email but I get a 404 error. Maybe I'll have to wait a bit untill its ready ;-)
[18:22] <PD3EM_shack> Lunar_Lander: You've gotten a lot of new books today to read
[18:22] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:23] <Morseman> PD3EM_shack OH! Let me know if it still doesn't work. Maybe it's still being 'uploaded'?
[18:23] <Morseman> I'll look from this PC as well
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[18:36] <Morseman> PD3EM_shack - I couldn't log in from this PC either so trying a different way - you should get another link
[18:38] <PD3EM_shack> I got the other link. I've just sent you an email
[18:49] <PD3EM_shack> Morseman: The test file works!
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[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> hello daveake_
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[19:19] <daveake_> hiya LL
[19:21] <jcoxon> hey all - any mac osx users of dl-fldigi
[19:22] <PD3EM_shack> jcoxon: not yet using it on the mac... will be a good test for mobile operation
[19:23] <jcoxon> need to find some alpha users
[19:24] <chris_99> i can test it out on my hackintosh at some point
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> why do I fall asleep in the bathtub?
[19:25] <Upu> Lunar you are wonderfully random
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:27] <daveake_> Well he did address a medical question to the right person :) :p
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:27] <fsphil-laptop> daveake_, who put the moon up there
[19:27] <fsphil-laptop> is there really a man on it?
[19:27] <gb73d> n e one looking for the 10m beacon ballon mo/tu from usa ?
[19:29] <gb73d> http://www.southgatearc.org/news/march2012/around_the_world_28_mhz_cw_balloon.htm
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[19:29] <jcoxon> gb73d, its certainly interesting
[19:30] <jcoxon> its a shame it doesn't have a gps
[19:30] <fsphil-laptop> what?
[19:30] <fsphil-laptop> that's a shame
[19:31] <jcoxon> it seems they are attempting a pico flight
[19:31] <fsphil-laptop> bit of a waste
[19:31] <jcoxon> with 10 mylar balloons
[19:31] <jcoxon> they need our pico payloads
[19:32] <fsphil-laptop> yea -- what's the lightest now, with gps?
[19:32] <jcoxon> hmmm mine is 29g
[19:32] <jcoxon> but its not a happy payload
[19:32] <jcoxon> something is up with the step up convertor
[19:32] <Upu> 29g with battery ?
[19:32] <daveake_> what step up and from how many cells?
[19:33] <jcoxon> lipower with 1 aaa
[19:33] <daveake_> Drawing too much current?
[19:33] <Upu> jcoxon say you were designing a PCB
[19:33] <jcoxon> i'm not sure
[19:33] <daveake_> (I mean, is the converter running inefficiently)?
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[19:33] <jcoxon> i haven't investigated
[19:33] <Upu> would putting battery clips on a pico ( http://uk.farnell.com/keystone/82/clip-battery-snap-in-aaa-pk5/dp/908721?Ntt=Keystone+82 ) help or hinder ?
[19:33] <jcoxon> keep getting distracted by other projects
[19:34] <Upu> i.e if the PCB had those on it so you could just plug in a battery and go (single AAA)
[19:34] <jcoxon> Upu, yeah its a nice idea
[19:34] <fsphil-laptop> spot welding ftw!
[19:34] <daveake_> With mine as the i/p voltage went down the current got very high (beyond the limit I set on the PSU to keep it safe)
[19:34] <Upu> is one AAA Energizer Lithium enough for a pico flight ?
[19:34] <daveake_> I think it's marginal
[19:34] <jcoxon> with some powersaving - sure
[19:34] <daveake_> Yep
[19:35] <Upu> ok thx
[19:35] <jcoxon> anyone on os x?
[19:35] <Upu> daveake_ go sort your code out and find some amps
[19:35] <jcoxon> just need some to check this dmg actually works
[19:35] <Upu> milliamps
[19:35] <daveake_> Without, with the efficiency of the converter (well the one I have here), I estimate 5 hours run time
[19:35] <Upu> give me a link jcoxon I have a Mac using colleague
[19:35] <Upu> I can get him to check it installs etc
[19:35] <jcoxon> https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/downloads
[19:36] <daveake_> Upu Translation please?
[19:36] <jcoxon> the 3.21.38 one
[19:36] <daveake_> (what code and what amps)
[19:36] <jcoxon> just want to make sure it opens
[19:36] <daveake_> Oh, you mean do some power saving?
[19:36] <Upu> to get more out of the battery :)
[19:36] <daveake_> Yeah
[19:37] <daveake_> Well first thing is to measure where I'm at now and measure how long an AAA lasts
[19:37] <Upu> the alpha one jcoxon ?
[19:37] <Upu> indeed
[19:37] <Upu> he's afk at the moment but I've asked him to test
[19:37] <jcoxon> thanks
[19:38] <jcoxon> finally got it compiled on os x
[19:39] <LazyLeopard> jcoxon: What version(s) of OS X should it work on?
[19:40] <jcoxon> leopard onwards i'd hope
[19:40] <jcoxon> i386
[19:40] <LazyLeopard> Want a crash report in an email?
[19:40] <jcoxon> yes please
[19:40] <LazyLeopard> If so, pm me an email address...
[19:42] <jcoxon> hmmmm
[19:42] <Upu> he's testing it now
[19:42] <jcoxon> i suspected this might be a problem
[19:42] <jcoxon> Upu he'll get the same error
[19:43] <Upu> it is the alpha isn't it ?
[19:43] Action: jcoxon thrusts fists in the air
[19:43] <jcoxon> damn DanielRichman and jsoncpp
[19:44] <Upu> doesn't load
[19:44] <Upu> want the crash log jcoxon ?
[19:45] <jcoxon> yup
[19:45] <jcoxon> email it please
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[19:49] <Upu> sent apparently jcoxon
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[19:49] <fsphil-laptop> I just removed a lot of code from a file, and when I recompiled it the binary was larger. eh!
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[19:53] <Laurenceb_> sup
[19:55] <fsphil-laptop> ah, I think it's the floats. so doing floating point maths must cause the extra libraries to be loaded automatically
[19:57] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[19:57] <fsphil-laptop> that's crazy, doubled the size of the program
[19:58] <zyp> of course
[19:58] <fsphil-laptop> and I only did a division :)
[19:58] <zyp> when you don't have an FPU you need to emulate it
[19:58] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[19:58] <fsphil-laptop> it seemed to load the whole lot though
[19:58] <zyp> which architecture is this?
[19:58] <fsphil-laptop> avr
[19:59] <fsphil-laptop> I can probably do it integer only
[19:59] <zyp> are you linking with -Wl,--gc-sections ?
[19:59] <fsphil-laptop> $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -o $(PROJECT).out -Wl,-Map,$(PROJECT).map $(OBJECTS)
[19:59] <fsphil-laptop> just -Wl
[20:00] <zyp> uh, -Wl is a Ā«pass this argument to linkerĀ»-flag
[20:00] <daveake_> Upu 88.47mA average without lock, 8mW from rfm22b, and with no power saving code whatsoever
[20:00] <fsphil-laptop> oh that's useful
[20:00] <zyp> and --gc-sections would strip unused sections
[20:01] Action: fsphil-laptop rarely ventures into the wonder land of linking
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[20:01] <zyp> together with compiling with -ffunction-sections, it will strip any function you have that you never call
[20:01] <fsphil-laptop> why isn't that the default?
[20:02] <zyp> because it's an optimization
[20:02] <fsphil-laptop> -fdata-sections worthwhile?
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[20:07] <Laurenceb_> so, did upload work at all earlier today?
[20:08] <NigeyS> think steve said it didnt laurenceb
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[20:17] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Randall "Re: [UKHAS] XABEN-22 flight announcement"
[20:20] <fsphil-laptop> the sea is claiming a lot of payloads lately
[20:22] <daveake_> It doesn't always win though :p
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[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> hi NigeyS
[20:29] <fsphil-laptop> woo, managed to do it integer only. program is small once more
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> btw that round the world balloon
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> how will they prove it went around the world with no GPS
[20:29] <fsphil-laptop> direction finding
[20:30] <fsphil-laptop> but the effort would have been better spend fitting it with gps
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> yeah but is that a real proof?
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:36] <fsphil-laptop> the balloons he's using have a habit of bursting too
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[20:36] <fsphil-laptop> unless he's worked a way around that
[20:43] <fsphil-laptop> I say he, it actually looks like it's some kids
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:43] <fsphil-laptop> US Naval Academy
[20:44] <fsphil-laptop> hehe, they got Bill's callsign wrong
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[21:04] <jcoxon> ping RocketBoy
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[21:09] <Upu> jcoxon Matthew 'Steadman' Redman says
[21:09] <Upu> looks like an issue with libjson maybe
[21:10] <jcoxon> yeah
[21:10] <jcoxon> on the case
[21:10] <jcoxon> oh balloon on Orbit on bbc2
[21:11] <jcoxon> anyone claim it?
[21:11] <jcoxon> oh its a states on
[21:12] <jcoxon> one*
[21:16] <daveake_> Just caught a few seconds. Will have to catch up on iPlayer
[21:17] <jcoxon> its a californian flight
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon: is the balloon already launched?
[21:18] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, oh it was on TV
[21:18] <jcoxon> bbc2
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> yeah someone linked it
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> it sounded to me if that was just planned
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[21:54] <cuddykid> does anyone know of a good free web design software (mac) - not for coding/building, just for layout and prototyping if you get me :P
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[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> wb cuddykid, I got a question, did I get it correct earlier that you will fly again shortly?
[22:15] <cuddykid> I'm off now Lunar_Lander - but yep, hopefully if my pcbs ever leave hong kong! I'm also going to begin initial testing of the glider, if the ardupilot mega 2 comes in time
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> sounds good
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> may I ask what ardupilot is?
[22:15] <cuddykid> this will all be happening in April when I have a month off :)
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> a arduino derivative?
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
[22:16] <cuddykid> Lunar_Lander: arduino based autopilot - triple core :P
[22:16] <cuddykid> http://diydrones.com
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> cool! :)
[22:16] <daveake_> cuddykid Let me know when and where you're testing the UAV ....
[22:16] <daveake_> ..... so I can avoid the general area :)
[22:16] <cuddykid> lol daveake_
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:17] <cuddykid> we've decided to go for a delta wing design for starters
[22:17] <cuddykid> it was initially going to be a boeing scan eagle design - but worried about wing flapping/breaking at the speeds :P
[22:18] <cuddykid> bbl
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[22:39] <Morseman> Sorry - if anyone sent me messages, they didn't get through as the ISP timed me out...
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[22:58] <jcoxon> right - need another mac osx tester
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[22:59] <Upu> same link ?
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[23:08] <RocketBoy> nights
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[23:08] <jcoxon> not yet
[23:10] <jcoxon> Upu, https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/downloads
[23:10] <jcoxon> the one that says ALPHA
[23:11] <Upu> he's trying it
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[23:12] <jcoxon> cool
[23:12] <jcoxon> thanks
[23:12] <natrium42> jcoxon: no, you're my alpha dog
[23:12] <jcoxon> uhuh
[23:12] <natrium42> dawg!
[23:12] <natrium42> <3
[23:14] <Upu> jcoxon he says it works
[23:14] <jcoxon> amazing
[23:14] <Upu> right I'm off nn
[23:14] <natrium42> nite Upu-master
[23:15] <jcoxon> night
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[23:45] <Lunar_Lander> good evening Dan-K2VOL, how are you and how is your progress?
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[23:59] <Dan-K2VOL> hey lunar_lander
[23:59] <Dan-K2VOL> doing ok
[23:59] <Dan-K2VOL> u?
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