highaltitude.log.20120302

[00:00] <griffonbot> Received email: Dan Bowen "Re: [UKHAS] Falcon - Launch Annauncement"
[00:03] <NigeyS> avrdude: verification error, first mismatch at byte 0x7b00
[00:03] <NigeyS> 0x81 != 0x21
[00:03] <NigeyS> eugh
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[00:03] <fsphil-laptop> that's nice and helpful
[00:03] <NigeyS> very :|
[00:04] <NigeyS> works if i burn the uno bootloader though, how odd
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[00:15] <Lunar_Lander> who was the first female minister of the foreign in the USA?
[00:15] <Lunar_Lander> any americans here?
[00:15] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL: ?
[00:17] <fsphil-laptop> you mean the secretary of state?
[00:18] <Dan-K2VOL> hmm no idea lunar, maybe Shirley Temple
[00:18] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[00:18] <Lunar_Lander> the quiz says
[00:18] <Dan-K2VOL> if you mean foreign ambassador, i think it's Temple
[00:18] <Lunar_Lander> Albright
[00:18] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[00:18] <Lunar_Lander> no, what Hillary Clinton does now
[00:19] <Dan-K2VOL> interesting
[00:19] <Pavix> Hillary Albright?
[00:19] <fsphil-laptop> do we get points if you're right?
[00:19] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[00:19] <Lunar_Lander> I don't know if the points can be transferred
[00:20] <fsphil-laptop> sounds like a cleaning product
[00:20] <Lunar_Lander> Pavix: madeleine albright
[00:20] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[00:57] <Lunar_Lander> hello Zuph
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[01:06] <Lunar_Lander> wb Dan-K2VOL
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[07:35] <x-f> Convention on International Civil Aviation is great regarding "unmanned free balloons", but unfortunately local laws usually superseed it with complicated (and unneeded) regulations.
[07:35] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Randall "Re: [UKHAS] Falcon - Launch Annauncement"
[07:50] <fsphil> when I was talking with the IAA over the border here they basically said they couldn't stop me landing there if the CAA approved the launch, but they'd like to be notified anyway
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[08:13] <daveake> Peugeot passed the MOT, no faults
[08:14] <daveake> 212,000 miles
[08:14] <daveake> sory wrong window :)
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[08:21] <PD3EM_work> Morning all!
[08:21] <daveake> morning
[08:23] <PD3EM_work> Does someone have some studying/reading tips for designing my first payload hardware (beacon with 2 or 3 sensors)?
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[08:35] <number10> morning
[08:41] <PD3EM_work> morning #10
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[08:42] <number10> fsphil: I notice that there is an error in the advanced slide for receivers on shape factor
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[09:03] <griffonbot> Received email: NickB "[UKHAS] Re: Falcon - Launch Annauncement"
[09:10] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
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[09:11] <natrium42> hehe, love the giant font rocketboy uses
[09:12] <number10> is good - means I can read his email without glasses
[09:14] <eroomde> PD3EM_work: yes!
[09:14] <fsphil> it's great when you spot their mistakes number10 :)
[09:15] <eroomde> PD3EM_work: the ukhas wiki is probably the best place to start, and also jcoxon's webpage
[09:15] <eroomde> there you will see how to connect a gps to an arduino and talk to it, and also arduino to radiometrix ntx2 radio
[09:15] <eroomde> and once you have those two working, you have a working balloon flight computer
[09:16] <eroomde> i'd definitely recommend just doing something simple like that for a first flight
[09:16] <eroomde> you can work out all the other issues like balloon filling on the first launch?
[09:18] <eroomde> there should be no question mark there
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[09:21] <PD3EM_work> Thanks eroomde !! Have done some reading on the ukhas wiki and James' website
[09:21] <PD3EM_work> I will dig deeper into it and order some hardware
[09:21] <PD3EM_work> so I can start build and test
[09:22] <PD3EM_work> I hope to be at the next launch costyn is planning
[09:24] <eroomde> awesome
[09:24] <eroomde> where abouts in the netherlands are you based/
[09:25] <PD3EM_work> eroomde: I'm at JO21jv in the middle of the Dutch Polders
[09:29] <eroomde> ah cool
[09:29] <eroomde> i used to work in groningen for a couple of weeks a month
[09:30] <eroomde> and an occassional visit to noordwijk in my last job
[09:30] <PD3EM_work> I'm living abt 10km from the famous windmills at Kinderdijk
[09:31] <PD3EM_work> eroomde: so you know my coutry a little bit
[09:33] <PD3EM_work> Form it's just a few meters walk to possible launch sites ;-)
[09:33] <PD3EM_work> Form = For me
[09:34] <eroomde> nice
[09:35] <eroomde> i'm in oxford now which doesn't have any obvious notam sites within walking distance
[09:36] <PD3EM_work> but for a launch you'll need to much to walk to the site so no real advantage for me ;-)
[09:38] <eroomde> yep indeed!
[09:38] <eroomde> i quite want a landrover defender in my life
[09:39] <PD3EM_work> they are great but way to expensive....
[09:39] <eroomde> yeah
[09:40] <eroomde> not the cheapest things to run
[09:40] <eroomde> i want a smarkcar and a defender really
[09:40] <eroomde> smartcar*
[09:40] <PD3EM_work> that's why I i'll stick to my Vitara a little longer ;-)
[09:41] <eroomde> yeah - well that's also 4x4 right so you're ok :)
[09:41] <PD3EM_work> yep. no problem with a little mud or so
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[09:47] Action: fsphil would like an electric car -- my journey to work is only 2.5 miles each day
[09:47] <natrium42> what about walking?
[09:47] <fsphil> it rains a lot here
[09:47] <natrium42>  _ 
[09:47] <fsphil> :)
[09:47] <cuddykid> HK post tracking number status still hasn't changed :(
[09:47] <natrium42> get an umbrella
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[09:48] <fsphil> it's also all uphill. both ways
[09:48] <natrium42> cuddykid: they're playing with your heart
[09:48] <eroomde> fsphil: bike!
[09:48] <PD3EM_work> or an electric bike!
[09:49] <eroomde> if you have a shower at work then rain doesn't matter
[09:49] <fsphil> I've been thinking of an electric bike
[09:49] <fsphil> no shower here
[09:50] <PD3EM_work> a lot of electric bikes are used in the Netherlands
[09:50] <number10> well you can use the electric on the way in and switch it off on the way back
[09:50] <fsphil> it's the ideal place for them PD3EM_work
[09:50] <natrium42> yeah, flattest place on earth
[09:50] <fsphil> my house is at the highest part of the town, my office is the lowest
[09:50] <PD3EM_work> but I stick to my car. 30km is to much to bike twice a day
[09:51] <fsphil> I could basically free wheel the whole way to work
[09:51] <PD3EM_work> so you have a harder drive back home fsphil
[09:51] <cuddykid> they are natrium42
[09:51] <NigelMoby> Weeeeeeeeee
[09:51] <natrium42> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3667ba/
[09:51] <natrium42> ^ fsphil
[09:51] <NigelMoby> mornings
[09:52] <NigelMoby> ping priyesh
[09:52] <natrium42> EHLO NigelMoby
[09:52] <eroomde> PD3EM_work: my work is 30km too
[09:52] <NigelMoby> Ello dude!
[09:52] <eroomde> tho i'm tempted to try and bike
[09:53] <eroomde> now it's a bit warmer
[09:53] <PD3EM_work> eroomde: Maybe one day I'll try it by bike....
[09:53] <PD3EM_work> still got some work to do... bbl
[09:53] <natrium42> eroomde: take the punt
[09:54] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Falcon - Launch Annauncement"
[09:56] <fsphil> lol
[09:56] <natrium42> fsphil: eroomde has leet punting skills
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[10:07] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
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[10:08] <Valen> and i'm back
[10:08] <Valen> didja miss me Darkside? ;->
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[10:08] <Lunar_LanderU> hi Valen
[10:09] <Lunar_LanderU> and hi NickB1
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[10:10] <Lunar_LanderU> got a question to Nick's Flight in the mailing list
[10:10] <Lunar_LanderU> RocketBoy wrote that a HAB may not be operated across borders
[10:10] <Lunar_LanderU> so Apex Alpha was illegal?
[10:11] <cuddykid> it's fine I think Lunar
[10:12] <cuddykid> all "accidental" of course ;) :P
[10:12] <Lunar_LanderU> yes
[10:12] <Lunar_LanderU> because it says "meteorological"
[10:12] <Valen> its only illegal if you get caught ;->
[10:12] <Lunar_LanderU> what if a payload does more than that, i.e. othe rresearch
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[10:13] <cuddykid> yeah, but still - I think it is an invasion of another countries airspace
[10:13] <Lunar_LanderU> well Valen, Alpha got big over time
[10:13] <Lunar_LanderU> yea
[10:13] <Lunar_LanderU> my prediction only had that twice
[10:13] <cuddykid> well yup.. there are endless possibilities of what could be attached!
[10:13] <Lunar_LanderU> one week gave predicted tracks due west (!) landing in Holland
[10:14] <Lunar_LanderU> and one gave such a long flight it predicted a landing short behind the Polish border
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[10:18] <Valen> .,whats thw longest duration amature balloon flight?
[10:18] <Valen> scuse typing,building robot on desk
[10:19] <Lunar_LanderU> that was Spirit of Knoxville IV as far as I know
[10:19] <Lunar_LanderU> a transatlantic attempt that ditched short of france
[10:19] <Lunar_LanderU> I think the balloon that finally made it across at christmas was faster
[10:20] <Valen> i meant longest duration
[10:21] <Lunar_LanderU> ah
[10:21] <Lunar_LanderU> that should be the one
[10:21] <Lunar_LanderU> had the longest time aloft
[10:21] <Valen> cool
[10:22] <Lunar_LanderU> and longest range should be one of the californian balloons from christmas
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[10:22] <Lunar_LanderU> intended to float across the USA
[10:22] <Lunar_LanderU> but it held up and reached Portugal, Spain and fell into the mediterranean
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[10:29] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Falcon - Launch Annauncement"
[10:34] <cuddykid> yay :D £109.91 interest for the year :P
[10:36] <Lunar_LanderU> xD for the Raspberry board?
[10:36] <cuddykid> indeed :P
[10:36] <Lunar_LanderU> xD
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[10:37] <fsphil> more than one :)
[10:37] <Lunar_LanderU> xD
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[10:38] <Lunar_LanderU> OK it is Fish lunch time!
[10:38] <Lunar_LanderU> :D
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[10:39] <cuddykid> it's lecture time here
[10:39] <Lunar_LanderU> ohh
[10:40] <cuddykid> 2 hrs of econometrics :(
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[10:40] <Lunar_LanderU> :(
[10:40] <Lunar_LanderU> hi upix
[10:40] <Laurenceb> GARBAGE DAY
[10:40] <upix> hey
[10:40] <Lunar_LanderU> upix: current topic is: who likes fish for lunch?
[10:40] <upix> any news?
[10:40] <Lunar_LanderU> xD
[10:40] <upix> dolphis
[10:40] <upix> dolphins*
[10:40] <Lunar_LanderU> yeah maybe on March 6 there is a flight in Belgium
[10:40] <Lunar_LanderU> xD
[10:41] <upix> is it monday?
[10:41] <upix> im lost in days
[10:41] <Lunar_LanderU> Tuesday
[10:41] <upix> ok
[10:41] <Lunar_LanderU> yea
[10:41] <Lunar_LanderU> he'll probably fly a geiger counter
[10:41] <upix> have anyone tried semiconductors?
[10:42] <Lunar_LanderU> as radiation detectors?
[10:42] <upix> yes
[10:42] <Lunar_LanderU> I read about it and Apex made one
[10:42] <Lunar_LanderU> but it didn't work in time
[10:42] <Lunar_LanderU> so it wasn't on Apex III
[10:42] <upix> oh
[10:42] <Lunar_LanderU> yeah
[10:42] <Lunar_LanderU> but I'll still try to make one
[10:42] <Lunar_LanderU> :)
[10:44] <Lunar_LanderU> well
[10:44] <Lunar_LanderU> I go to eat something
[10:44] <Lunar_LanderU> see you later upix, Laurenceb, fsphil, cuddykid
[10:44] <upix> cya
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[10:49] <x-f> XABEN is flying on Sunday (UK)
[10:51] <eroomde> joy, 7 mil spec connectors have just turned up from Mr Farnell
[10:52] <eroomde> for the rocket
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[11:06] <natrium42> hp is taking ages to ship my netbook
[11:06] <natrium42> :S
[11:06] <natrium42> pixel qi screen arrived long ago
[11:07] <daveake> ping priyesh
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[11:11] <WillDuckworth> which connectors eroomde?
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[11:29] <eroomde> natrium42: let me know your experiece with the pixel qi
[11:30] <fsphil> pixel qi sell separate screens?
[11:31] <eroomde> uhuh
[11:31] <eroomde> you can fit them to quite a few netbooks
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[11:31] <fsphil> aah, not actual desktop monitors
[11:31] <eroomde> oh no
[11:31] <fsphil> that's still a good plan
[11:31] <eroomde> i'd like to put one in an old toughbook
[11:32] <fsphil> I find it nearly impossible to read the screen in the car
[11:32] <eroomde> for the ultimate field laptop
[11:32] <fsphil> I was thinking of using a kindle for displaying spacenear.us
[11:32] <daveake> toughbook + pixel qi sounds like a winning combination
[11:32] <fsphil> but it's pretty locked down, and the browser on it is a bit naff
[11:33] <eroomde> yeah the kindle nearly died under the weight of spacenear.us/tracker
[11:33] <fsphil> yep
[11:33] <natrium42> eroomde: will do
[11:33] <daveake> spacenear.us is a bit slow anyway for mobile use
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[11:34] <natrium42> eroomde: i found the fastest netbook where it might fit
[11:34] <fsphil> though a pixel qi device in a laptop would be sweet
[11:34] <natrium42> 1.86Ghz dual core
[11:34] <eroomde> natrium42: link?
[11:34] <natrium42> one sec
[11:34] <fsphil> they make one for the eee pc's?
[11:34] <natrium42> HP Mini 210
[11:35] <natrium42> http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/series/category/notebooks/mini210_series/3/computer_store
[11:35] <natrium42> i customized it with Atom N2800 processor
[11:35] <fsphil> why are more manufacturers not using it
[11:35] <natrium42> dunno
[11:35] <natrium42> wish a larger size would be available too
[11:36] <fsphil> yea, 10.1" max
[11:36] <eroomde> my next thing is an ipad3
[11:36] <eroomde> i have not wanted an ipad yet
[11:36] <natrium42> my dream is to work outside with the laptop, in the sun
[11:36] <eroomde> but now i do
[11:36] <natrium42> :D
[11:36] Action: fsphil has avoided needing any i-devices since the ipod :)
[11:36] Action: natrium42 worked on ipad3
[11:36] <fsphil> and the only reason really is itunes
[11:36] Action: daveake had an iPod but lost it
[11:36] <eroomde> as a friend came to saty with his and it's really a much nicer sitting room and kitchen and lounge-on-sofa machine than a laptop
[11:37] <eroomde> and the new one is out in 5 days
[11:37] <eroomde> so the net says
[11:37] <eroomde> with the 'retina' (?) display
[11:37] <daveake> yeah, Mrs Dave has a Samsung Tab 10.1 for just that porpoise
[11:41] <fsphil> hmm nobody in the uk seems to sell the qi screens. might be cheaper ordering direct anyway, if it can sneak through customs
[11:43] <staylo> A Nook Touch import from the US might be a possibility, it's somewhat overpowered for an eink reader.
[11:44] <fsphil> oh yes
[11:44] <fsphil> forgot about those
[11:45] <fsphil> although having an actual keyboard is still preferred
[11:46] <eroomde> also look
[11:46] <eroomde> http://yieldthought.com/post/12239282034/swapped-my-macbook-for-an-ipad
[11:46] <eroomde> such promise
[11:46] <eroomde> the california hacker lifestyle of which we can only dream
[11:47] <eroomde> the guy whose got it all
[11:47] <eroomde> who's*
[11:48] <fsphil> it just all seems so awkward
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[11:50] <eroomde> yes that was slightly tongue in cheek
[11:51] <eroomde> one of the first sentences in the article is: "I typically start my day by catching up on the bug tracker chatter, mercurial diffs and other emails with the iPad in one hand while lying on the Combinat56 sofa."
[11:51] <eroomde> which is the kind of sentence i think psychological profilers would have a field day with
[11:51] <eroomde> it's pure american psycho
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[11:52] <eroomde> heh, psychotherapist is actually (I just spotted) psycho-the-rapist
[11:53] <fsphil> hah
[11:53] <eroomde> but back to the matter at hanhd, i think anyone who has the spare mental cycles to know what his sofa is called, and then to think it's worth putting in a blog post, is not safe around other human beings
[11:54] <fsphil> I don't even know what my seat is called, and I only got it a few weeks ago
[11:54] <daveake> Mine's called Eric
[11:55] <daveake> Actually mine's called "damn you for breaking"
[11:55] <natrium42> < eroomde> http://yieldthought.com/post/12239282034/swapped-my-macbook-for-an-ipad
[11:55] <natrium42> famboy
[11:55] <natrium42> or rather
[11:55] <natrium42> fanboy
[11:55] <eroomde> and a psychopath as my rigorous exposition above has just shown
[11:57] <natrium42> :D
[11:57] <Hibby> I hate you fanboys, always banging on about apple this and apple that
[11:58] <Hibby> C'mon man, just shut up about it already
[11:58] <daveake> Customers ... I get an order for 30 boards, 5 now and the remainder in May. So I ship 5 and email the buyer to say so. "Oh", he replies, "Is there a problem with the rest of the order". Yes, the problem is he doesn't know how to read what he wrote ...
[11:58] <Hibby> Hipster
[11:58] <Hibby> :p
[11:58] <fsphil> lol daveake
[11:58] <fsphil> customers can't read. I've learned that lesson quite a bit over the years
[11:58] Action: natrium42 doesn't even consider getting a non-apple laptop
[11:58] <Morseman> Lets see if this works...
[11:59] <fsphil> even if it's something they themselves have written
[11:59] <natrium42> excluding netbook with pixel qi :P
[11:59] <fsphil> steve jobs would be so disappointed with you natrium42
[11:59] <daveake> He's the head buyer. I did feel like telling him to follow his job title literally.
[11:59] <eroomde> he probably wanted themm all now but didn't want to pay for the rest of them until may
[12:00] <fsphil> I have big red boxes with warnings in them when something in our website wasn't entered correctly. and I still get calls asking why they can't make an order
[12:00] <daveake> eroomde Nah, I previously had a conf call with the engineering and production guys who told me exactly what they wanted to fit their production schedule
[12:02] <gonzo_> never underestimate the power of human stupidity
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[12:04] <Morseman> OK - Perseus to WinradHD then DRM output via VAC to FL-Digi plus this net all working...
[12:04] <fsphil> that's quite a setup
[12:04] <Morseman> Total CPU load hits 100% at times, so lets see how long it all runs before tripping over itself
[12:05] <fsphil> I've used Spectravue + dl-fldigi together with the funcube dongle
[12:05] <Morseman> SpectraVue was very slow - at least this set up allows fairly smooth decode
[12:05] <fsphil> yes it has a very slow interface
[12:06] <fsphil> I thought that was just a Wine problem
[12:06] <fsphil> (I'm running it in linux)
[12:06] <Morseman> Monitoring 20M RTTY but not a lot of activity at moment
[12:07] <Morseman> If this works I'll use it with the 70cm to 28MHz transverter
[12:08] <Morseman> Wish there was some way to get audio out as well eiry sitting here in silence watching screen only
[12:08] <fsphil> I have to do that when operating remotely. it's very odd
[12:09] <fsphil> dl-fldigi grabs the sound card so I can't stream audio to my remote desktop
[12:09] <Darkside> you learn to read the waterfall display pretty well
[12:09] <fsphil> yea
[12:09] <fsphil> I usually see it on the waterfall first anyway
[12:09] <Darkside> i rarely need to listen to the rtty signal
[12:09] <fsphil> still it's reassuring to hear it :)
[12:09] <Darkside> well if you're listening you can hear the doppler when the balloon bursts
[12:09] <fsphil> it's easier to hear a burst
[12:09] <fsphil> yea
[12:09] <Morseman> That's true Darkside, just need to get used to it that's all
[12:10] <fsphil> stick on some music
[12:10] <fsphil> my winamp shuffle keeps playing christmas music today for some reason
[12:11] <Morseman> It's decoding PSK31 OK
[12:12] <Morseman> To be honest, when Kate is at home I usually have to keep the audio down anyway as she doesn't like the data screeching noises
[12:12] <griffonbot> Received email: Solar Balloonman "[UKHAS] Solar Pico?"
[12:13] <fsphil> solar balloon to 1km
[12:13] <fsphil> hmmm
[12:13] <Morseman> Wonder why some people put their callsigns inside brackets on PSK31? CQ CQ CQ de <IZ5WSR> <IZ5WSR>
[12:14] <Morseman> On WSPR I could understand what's happening, but PSK31!
[12:14] <fsphil> probably just the template of whatever program they're using
[12:14] <fsphil> I try to avoid templates, although it does mean lots of typos :)
[12:15] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Solar Pico?"
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[12:16] <NigeyMoby> interesting idea that solar pico.
[12:16] <fsphil> there've been a few payloads in that weight category
[12:16] <fsphil> and the limited height means lipo batteries are an option
[12:17] <NigeyMoby> Yup, win win if u can keep weight down.
[12:17] <fsphil> I wonder how long the tube was
[12:17] <fsphil> it would need to be <2m
[12:17] <NigeyMoby> if its 5 bin bags .. that's gonna need a notam
[12:18] <Morseman> oOOO, SOME REAL rtty! CQ CQ CQ DE ES3ACV ES3ACV ES3ACV CQ PSE K
[12:18] <fsphil> that's what I'm wondering
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[12:18] <NigeyMoby> congrats morse!
[12:18] <daveake> What's the rule - "withink 2m in all directions"?
[12:18] <fsphil> I need to put another hole in the back wall for my hf antenna coax
[12:18] <daveake> -k
[12:18] <fsphil> yea daveake
[12:18] <NigeyMoby> Yup dave
[12:19] <NigeyMoby> think of a 2x2x2 box
[12:19] <daveake> So you can't have balloon ---> long line ---> payload?
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[12:19] <fsphil> nope
[12:19] <NigeyMoby> nip
[12:19] <daveake> Ta
[12:19] <fsphil> you could have a 2m diameter balloon with the payload inside it
[12:20] <daveake> Even my payloads ain't that small :)
[12:20] <NigeyMoby> Ooo theres an idea
[12:20] <x-f> 2x2x2 would be huge, i have a similar one, it lifted my camera easily (~400 grams)
[12:20] <daveake> yeah but the neck of the balloon ain't huge
[12:20] <fsphil> a solar balloon could be made spherical too
[12:20] <fsphil> just a bit tricker
[12:20] <fsphil> trickier*
[12:21] <fsphil> the neck on the hoeeyeryraerssss!!111 is pretty wide
[12:21] <daveake> It'll get to more than 2m though
[12:21] <fsphil> yea
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[12:22] <fsphil> though if you're making a solar balloon you can just make the neck bigger
[12:22] <daveake> ^^ what a great nick
[12:22] <fsphil> lol
[12:22] <NigeyMoby> lol
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[12:22] <fsphil> that's how I pronounce howyee
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[12:22] <fsphil> fdfdfgdfghdgsh
[12:22] <Morseman> oFF TO GET A SANDWICH - WILL BE BACK TO SEE IF IT'S CRASHED LATER
[12:22] <qwerty> meep
[12:23] <Morseman> Sorry about the caps lock!
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[12:23] <daveake> That's what you get when a cat walks over the keyboard when you're joining
[12:23] <number10> or if number10 is typing
[12:23] <daveake> good point
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[12:24] <Morseman> A friend of mine got callsign G4uio as he was a big RTTY fan and it was easy to type in quickly...
[12:24] <fsphil> must have been a big cat
[12:24] <fsphil> good idea
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[12:24] <Morseman> Sorry - not G4UIO but g4YUI - same difference
[12:24] <NigeyMoby> lol Phil
[12:27] <fsphil> if I get my MI0 callsign I'm not using V this time
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[12:29] <fsphil> shame they don't allow numbers instead of letters
[12:29] <fsphil> MI0123 would be handy
[12:30] <LazyLeopard> Been some fun trying to find a free callsign for the local club...
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[12:36] <LazyLeopard> There are none free before M0HD* which ruled out all the suggestions beginning with A and B. Then all the suggestions beginning with R were already taken. We'll probably end up with a suffix beginning with Z at this rate...
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[12:42] <griffonbot> Received email: Solar Balloonman "[UKHAS] Re: Solar Pico?"
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[12:44] <fsphil> I get the impression fdhsfdfgffh is a spam bot
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[12:47] <Morseman> I think I found something better than WinradHD - HDSDR by same author and same look and feel
[12:48] <fsphil> I've heard good things about that. Just never managed to get it working in linux
[12:48] <Morseman> Less CPU loading as well
[12:49] <Morseman> OK - off to collect Kate as she's finishing early today and then I have to get some 'real' work done...
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[12:55] <SamSilver_> Come on fdhsfdsgdsg I need some genuine Rolex watch and ipad best buy and long cheap price
[12:58] <natrium42> random
[13:00] <natrium42> g'nite!
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[13:08] <kokey> any oil rigs over there?
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[13:11] <fsphil> I've to order a plug that costs £1.50 from CPC. need to add more to make the carriage worth while. can't think of anything
[13:12] <daveake> I usually stock up on AAs if I'm close to free carriage
[13:14] <fsphil> good plan, always needing those
[13:14] <fsphil> ah, battery holders too
[13:14] <fsphil> need some 6x AA ones
[13:14] Action: daveake looks at big box of battery holders
[13:14] <daveake> Yep, done that one last order :)
[13:15] <fsphil> haha
[13:16] <daveake> And PP3 clips
[13:16] <daveake> Compartment boxes are another box filler
[13:16] <fsphil> smart CPC, it's cheaper to buy 5 separate ones than the 5 pack
[13:16] <daveake> Helps organize my junk
[13:17] <daveake> :)
[13:17] <daveake> Yeah I nearly bought 10 x 5 instead of 10 last time :)
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[13:21] <eroomde> who does the best PAYG data sim?
[13:22] <eroomde> weighing up 3g or not for the ipad
[13:22] <daveake> Depends ............
[13:22] <daveake> Use every day?
[13:22] <eroomde> nope
[13:22] <eroomde> much less frequenly than that, is the issue
[13:22] <eroomde> it's for a car journey, or the odd cafe that doesn't have wifi
[13:22] <daveake> T-Mobile broadband card is £2 for 1 day
[13:22] <eroomde> or a launch field
[13:23] <daveake> Or a regular T-Mobile card (but MSN etc blocked) is £1 for 1 day
[13:23] <daveake> I put these in my laptop etc
[13:24] <eroomde> can you link?
[13:24] <eroomde> t-mobiles site seems a bit poo
[13:25] <daveake> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/T-MOBILE-UNLIMITED-INTERNET-3G-SIM-CARD-MOBILE-USB-DONGLE-MIFI-BROADBAND-/320856066116?pt=UK_Mobile_Home_Phones_Sim_Cards_CV&hash=item4ab4830844#ht_500wt_1413
[13:27] <daveake> Struggling to fine the SIM-only on their site
[13:27] <daveake> find
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[13:27] <eroomde> anything that is just say £10/GB with no (or at least a long eg >= 3 months) expiry date?
[13:27] <daveake> http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-broadband/usb-stick/
[13:27] <fsphil> if you find one let me know
[13:28] <daveake> ditto
[13:28] <daveake> They all expire AFAIK
[13:28] <daveake> Vodafone used to doa non-expiring one but it was £65
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[13:29] <daveake> If you click that last link eroomde, the 615 dongle (available in pink for Upu) is £9.99 and has £10 credit. That one has an aerial socket so you can stick an aerial on the chase car roof
[13:30] <daveake> This is the one I have (in black)
[13:30] <eroomde> ah, but i'm after just the sim
[13:30] <daveake> Yeah but the dongle is free, essentially
[13:30] <eroomde> oh yes
[13:30] <eroomde> i see
[13:30] <Pavix> holy crap, I was doing HAM radio technican practice tests on qrz.com. There's no way I'd pass that thing. It goes into things like radio horizon, transmitting music and manned spacecraft, talks about a ton of stuff I have no clue about.
[13:30] <eroomde> what you mean
[13:30] <eroomde> Pavix: just go with the most sensible answer
[13:30] <eroomde> that works 80% of the time
[13:31] <eroomde> there'll be a frew Q-codes that you just need to know, and some basic electronics. the rest is common sense
[13:31] <Pavix> Yea, some of it is stuff I know like component diagrams, symbols for resisters, caps etc.
[13:32] <Pavix> And some of it is common sense like don't place antennas under power lines
[13:32] <daveake> Or payloads on them
[13:32] <Valen> awww :-<
[13:32] <Valen> i want to have my antenna self powered
[13:32] <Pavix> But then it goes into something about slow something tv
[13:32] <Pavix> and talks about frequencies of VHF and UHF
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[13:33] <eroomde> slow scan tv?
[13:33] <Pavix> Yea, that
[13:33] <eroomde> cuttod between those two about 200MHz?
[13:33] <eroomde> cutoff*
[13:33] <Pavix> one was something like 30mhz-300mhz, then the other was 300mhz to 3ghz
[13:33] <eroomde> ok so cuttoff is 300MHz
[13:34] <eroomde> well that's easly though
[13:34] <eroomde> VHF = very high frequency
[13:34] <eroomde> uhf = ultra high frequency
[13:34] <eroomde> ultra > very
[13:34] <eroomde> so if it's multiple choice, easy!
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[13:38] <Pavix> I'm gonna need a book I think.
[13:38] <eroomde> yes the 'what you need to know to pass' books are very good
[13:38] <eroomde> they have evcerything in them, there's not much once you see if all written down in one place
[13:39] <daveake> Is Morse an option now?
[13:39] <eroomde> nope
[13:39] <eroomde> oh yes
[13:39] <eroomde> it is an option
[13:39] <eroomde> rather than a requirment
[13:40] <daveake> Ah, that explains it ...
[13:40] <daveake> .... 'cos the local radio club here seem to include it in their exams
[13:40] <eroomde> that would otherwise have made the full license >10 times harder for me
[13:40] <daveake> Mind you, looking at the beard count on their mugshot page, I'm not surprised :D
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[13:40] <eroomde> as it was i spent 1hr reading the full license hand book then sat the exam
[13:41] <eroomde> it was all common sense + electronics like the other 2
[13:41] <daveake> I saw a list of "things you need to know to pass", and yeah I can imagine it won't take long
[13:41] <eroomde> but if i had to learn morse it would have tekn weeks
[13:41] <daveake> yep
[13:41] <daveake> All I know are SOS and SMS :p
[13:41] <daveake> (2nd one thanks to Nokia, of course)
[13:42] <LazyLeopard> The Foundation course has a brief 5wpm morse "test" in it.
[13:43] <gonzo_> there is a 'morse appreciation' in the foundation licence, but you get a cheat sheet and 10min/chr to work it out
[13:43] <daveake> Which reminds me ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uub0z8wJfhU
[13:43] <eroomde> oh yes i remember the morse appreciation
[13:43] <LazyLeopard> It has to be signed off, but it's slow and you can work with a crib sheet...
[13:43] <eroomde> i didn't
[13:44] <LazyLeopard> ;)
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[13:48] <Darkside> eroomde: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/120803-vortex-radio-waves-could-boost-wireless-capacity-infinitely
[13:48] <Darkside> i call bullshit
[13:52] <eroomde> odd
[13:53] <eroomde> it looks like they're just doing some kind of polarisation means phase shift thing
[13:54] <kokey> the title just sounds a bit woo
[13:54] <Darkside> but bending the reflector?
[13:54] <kokey> they just need to add more 'quantum' to it
[13:54] <kokey> and perhaps some flux
[13:55] <daveake> Bending the relector will surel;y just smudge the signal in the time domain a bit
[13:56] <Darkside> thats what im thinking
[13:56] <daveake> Well I guess they got funding
[13:56] <Darkside> it'll just add a bit more multipath
[13:57] <eroomde> also italians are involved
[13:58] <eroomde> and they were responsible for the telemetry system between huygens and its cassini mothership
[13:58] <daveake> hence the pasta twirls. It all makes sense
[13:58] <eroomde> and they forgot that there would be doppler
[13:58] <daveake> wtf?
[13:58] <daveake> wow
[13:58] <eroomde> yes
[13:58] <daveake> Ah, I remember now
[13:58] <daveake> Wazzocks
[14:00] <fsphil> that was a big shame
[14:01] <fsphil> oh yea they worked around the doppler problem, it was one of the radio receivers not being switched on that was the problem in the end
[14:02] <daveake> Suddenly I feel much better at switching cameras on then off again before a launch
[14:02] <daveake> s/at/about
[14:07] <daveake> Anyone know of a power supply where the voltage can be set from a PC? Or shall I just make one?
[14:08] <kokey> personal computer?
[14:08] <eroomde> well, all the nice sort of £500+ bench powersupplies have rs232 for that reason
[14:08] <daveake> Yeah. Would be nice to (e.g.) automagically draw a plot of I vs V for various Vs
[14:08] <eroomde> to be automated into test fixtures and things
[14:08] <daveake> Yeah, but £50 and I can make one :)
[14:08] <eroomde> yes indeed
[14:09] <daveake> Sounds like a job for a PIC or Aduino + case + var reg + heatsink
[14:09] <eroomde> actually the EEVBlog have been doing a series of posts on a diy linear power supply
[14:09] <eroomde> arduino controlled
[14:09] <daveake> Ah cool
[14:09] <eroomde> but that's quite lab oritned i.e. maybe better voltage and current control than you need
[14:10] <daveake> Yeah, I can knock this up easy anyway, but it's nice to see what others are doing
[14:10] <kokey> some relays connected to an LPT port, there you go
[14:10] <daveake> :D
[14:11] <daveake> I knew that jest would come back to haunt me
[14:11] <kokey> if you can find a printer port that is
[14:11] <fsphil> people still have parallel ports?
[14:11] <kokey> which jest?
[14:11] <daveake> Oh, I suggested someone use a relay in a HAB yesterday
[14:11] <fsphil> I've a C64<>PC parallel port adaptor, which now needs another adaptor to plug it into a modern PC
[14:12] <daveake> Thought you were referring to that
[14:12] <kokey> fsphil: haha, I made one of those too
[14:12] <kokey> the parallel port is great
[14:12] <kokey> I had two, and put two resistor ladder DACs on them
[14:12] <daveake> <OFM>years ago I went into a shop to buy a battery, and came out with a pen plotter for the C64
[14:12] <eroomde> in the same way that fighting on elephant back is great
[14:13] <daveake> Which was strange as I didn't actually have a C64
[14:13] <fsphil> I knew virtually nothing about electronics back then -- did manage to make a C64 blink an LED
[14:13] <fsphil> but never figured out why they kept breaking (no resistor!)
[14:13] <kokey> my resistor ladder DAC was also how I managed to generate the dual tones I needed to bluebox my phone calls, to dial up to ISPs
[14:14] <daveake> The C^4 peripherals used a wierd serial protocol loosely based on HPIB
[14:15] <fsphil> don't know what that is *googles*
[14:15] <daveake> They did document it, but what they said in their was subtley different to what they implemented, which in turn varied between devices slightly
[14:16] <fsphil> I remember something about a bug in the implementation
[14:16] <daveake> In the end I wrote a logic sniffer to figure out what they were doing
[14:16] <fsphil> which caused the disk drive to be very slow
[14:16] <daveake> Ah yes they cocked that up
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[14:17] <kokey> glad to know people played with C64s, because people always just tell me about their spectrum or bbc micro
[14:17] <daveake> Someone did sell some software/firmware that binned the CBM stuff to do disk transfers much quicker
[14:17] <daveake> I had a Camputers Lynx
[14:17] <daveake> (Yes I was the only person that bought one)
[14:17] <kokey> the action replay loaders?
[14:17] Action: fsphil still has an Action Reply :)
[14:18] <fsphil> Replay even
[14:18] <kokey> the software one worked quite well too, on the disk drive
[14:18] <fsphil> I used to reset in the middle of games, and look around in memory
[14:19] Action: fsphil may or may not have cheated a bit with it
[14:20] <kokey> I taught myself BASIC from C64 books from the library, more than 6 years before we actually had any computer at home (or at school)
[14:21] <kokey> it's weird how you understand code wrong when you don't get to run it for years to test
[14:22] <zyp> like learning a language without having anyone to speak it with? :)
[14:22] <kokey> zyp: haha, probably very much so
[14:23] <fsphil> I learned from books too, but it did mean I didn't know how to pronounce technical terms properly. leads to fun when you finally meet another programmer :)
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[14:23] <kokey> fsphil: haha, yeah I had that problem with many fields since I only learned English in primary school
[14:24] <zyp> that's normal
[14:24] <kokey> ok I need to figure out how to stick an iphone on my dashboard
[14:25] <kokey> I guess I'll have to find a bracket that doesn't only stick to the windscreen
[14:25] <daveake> brodit
[14:25] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Cudworth "[UKHAS] Re: Solar Pico?"
[14:25] <daveake> They do really well made holders for lots of phones, plus brackets specifically designed for the car
[14:25] <zyp> at work I'm interacting with a lot of people via email, and then I meet them and have no idea how to pronounce their name
[14:26] <fsphil> I'm awful with names
[14:26] <kokey> daveake: cool, thanks
[14:27] <zyp> but on the other hand, they often mispronounce my name too, so it's not just me
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[14:49] <cuddykid> daveake/daveake_ : what weight does your tiny tracker come to including batteries?
[14:51] <daveake> Last one was 60g for the whole thing inc AAs
[14:51] <daveake> This will be less
[14:51] <daveake> For short flights I could use 1 AA and a step-up
[14:51] <cuddykid> ahh nice
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[14:52] <cuddykid> did you see the solar balloon mans post on the mailing list? Would be interesting to see if it floats for a while
[14:52] <daveake> Yeah. When's he thinking of launching?
[14:52] <cuddykid> not sure - I think he said that he could fly one soon
[14:53] <cuddykid> I'm going to get cut off now - coming into new street - I'll be on again in 30
[14:53] <fsphil> does that work in the spring?
[14:53] <cuddykid> would be interesting to see if just a bin bag would work
[14:53] <cuddykid> fsphil: I think it worked for him - I've asked him for more details etc
[14:53] <fsphil> cuddykid, I was going to ask him but you can if you want. is the balloon bigger than 2m?
[14:53] <fsphil> it might need a notam
[14:54] <fsphil> / permission
[14:54] <cuddykid> yeah, not sure - I've left him a message on the mailing list
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[14:54] <daveake> I was thinking of doing a pico flight next weekend. 2 balloons (1 Buzz Lightyear, 1 round)
[14:54] <upix> helllo
[14:55] <cuddykid> right - toddles for now
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[14:59] <upix> btw it says that ntx2 is FM transmiter
[14:59] <upix> why are you using SSB tranceivers then
[15:00] <russss> an FM transmitter just broadcasts a frequency proportional to the input voltage
[15:00] <russss> we abuse it to create an SSB signal
[15:00] <upix> but why cant u just demodulate it as FM
[15:01] <upix> is the quality better when u do ssb?
[15:01] <zyp> demodulation happens in software
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[15:02] <zyp> the SSB receiver is used to get the signal down to a frequency band that you can feed into the computer
[15:02] <upix> so why not just use FM receiver
[15:02] <fsphil> FM does not work well with weak signals
[15:03] <upix> ok
[15:03] <upix> thats what i wanted to know
[15:03] <zyp> remember that the signal is digital
[15:04] <costyn> Upu: postman came and delivered your goodies today. Looks good, thanks a lot for putting it all together.
[15:04] <Upu> more than welcome glad its arrived so quick
[15:04] <zyp> all you want to do is seperate 0s from 1s
[15:05] <costyn> i'll order a pro mini 3.3v soon to play with
[15:05] <daveake> Had a HAB dream last night ....
[15:06] <fsphil> uh oh
[15:06] <daveake> .... I was helping someone else's launch, was holding the balloon and let go too early :P
[15:06] <eroomde> daveake: that's actually happened to me once
[15:06] <daveake> whoops
[15:06] <Upu> Meh part timers I was dreaming about Eagle CAD last night
[15:06] <Upu> I'm booked in with the therapist
[15:07] <daveake> Glad I got you to do the payload knots then :)
[15:07] <eroomde> i can no longer not read 'therapist' without mentally adding a space
[15:07] <daveake> Upu He'll have to tackle your issues in layers
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[15:09] <griffonbot> Received email: Solar Balloonman "[UKHAS] Re: Solar Pico?"
[15:10] <upix> radiometrix has tx1rx1 transmiters and receivers http://radiometrix.com/files/additional/tx1rx1.pdf it says that they go up to 10km+. Would they work fine if using FM demodulation? Cuz ntx2 has a length of 500m and works good in open area
[15:11] <upix> so tx1 should go even further
[15:12] <eroomde> there are just too many variable for you to trust what marketting information says
[15:12] <eroomde> variables*
[15:12] <eroomde> just ignore anything you read abour ranges in brochures like that
[15:13] <eroomde> look at the power, look at the modulation schemes. that will give you the information you need to see if it's suitable for something as specific as hab
[15:15] <Upu> upix we have had 760km out of an NTX2
[15:15] <upix> but with SSB
[15:15] <eroomde> yes
[15:15] <Upu> yes with SSB
[15:15] <eroomde> i think you are going to have to give up this fight against ssb :)
[15:15] <upix> i want to know what distance would FM have
[15:15] <eroomde> less
[15:15] <Upu> about 500 meters
[15:16] <upix> in open space?
[15:16] <Upu> +/- 500 km
[15:16] <Upu> no idea
[15:16] <upix> im searching for cheaper alternatives than SSB station
[15:17] <Upu> that may be hard
[15:17] <eroomde> upix, most off the shelf fm receivers have a passband that ignore everything between about 0-100Hz anyway
[15:17] Action: daveake has just discovered some ginger cake he thought was already eaten. That's late-lunch sorted then :)
[15:17] <eroomde> so how you are planning to use it with 50 baud rtty (which would produce primarily a 50hz tone in fm) is beyond me
[15:17] <daveake> v good point
[15:18] <upix> yup
[15:18] <fsphil> AFSK possibly. but it's a massive waste of bandwidth
[15:18] <eroomde> i think this might be the one area where it's worth spening 150 eruros on a radio
[15:18] <eroomde> you'll spent that on a flight computer anyway if you build one from scratch
[15:18] <upix> 150euros is not that much
[15:18] <Upu> upix if you get a receiver I'll send you a free NTX2
[15:19] <upix> most what i've seen is 1k
[15:19] <eroomde> ah, keep an eye on ebay for the yaesu FT790R
[15:19] <upix> tried
[15:19] <fsphil> uh-oh, the solar balloon is 6m long
[15:19] <eroomde> they are often availble for £100GBP, so about 110 euro
[15:19] <eroomde> they are superb radios, very sensitive ssb receivers
[15:19] <daveake> FT790R ... AOR AR8000 .... Yupiteru MVT7100 ....all should be £100 +/- £20
[15:19] <eroomde> lots of people on here use or have used them
[15:20] <daveake> I've looked at FFT from all 3. FT790 is the best
[15:20] <upix> another slight problem is shipping. Living one the edge or western world doesnt help much in that way
[15:20] <eroomde> for example: file:///home/ed/Downloads/eagle-6.1.0/lbr/eroomde.lbr
[15:20] <eroomde> er whoopsie, wrong copy paste
[15:20] <eroomde> lucky i wasn't copying porn earlier
[15:20] <Upu> could be worse eroomde :)
[15:20] <daveake> On the plus side, NTX2s fall out of the sky where you are :p
[15:20] <fsphil> lol
[15:20] <upix> daveake: what u mean?
[15:21] <eroomde> upix, for example http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yaesu-FT-790-r-70cm-433Mhz-All-mode-Transceiver-FT790R-Working-Order-/190646304592?pt=UK_ConsumerElectronics_SpecialistRadioEquipment_SM&hash=item2c6367bf50#ht_1080wt_1292
[15:21] <daveake> upix where are you?
[15:21] <upix> lithuania
[15:21] <daveake> Floaters from the UK come your way sometimes
[15:22] <daveake> An FT790 could earn its cost back in a year or two :p
[15:22] <eroomde> we could deliver a radio to you
[15:22] <upix> eroomde: doesnt ship to UK
[15:22] <eroomde> from 35km
[15:22] <eroomde> upix yes true, that was just an example
[15:22] <eroomde> though it's always worth asking ebay sellers
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[15:22] <eroomde> if they wouldn't mind shipping further. most towns have a dhl depot nowadays
[15:23] <daveake> UPS for example is £18 (¬22) for 2kg from UK to Lithuania
[15:23] <eroomde> also, it's worth asking around your local area other radio hams
[15:24] <Upu> We use UPS
[15:24] <Upu> they are super
[15:24] <daveake> Yep
[15:24] <eroomde> they might be able to lend your something, or know where to look for used radio receivers more locally
[15:24] <daveake> Anyone can ship UPS via interparcel.com. If you get stuck, get it delivered to me or someone else here to ship on to you
[15:25] <Upu> yeah upix if you pay for it you can deliver to me and I'll send it on via UPS
[15:25] <Upu> I can test it works for you as well
[15:25] <daveake> I used to have a UPS account, but for the amount I send it's cheaper to go via a broker like interparcel or parcel2go
[15:25] <Upu> Want for XMAS : http://blog.makezine.com/2012/03/02/lego-millennium-falcon-rendered-in-3ds-max/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+makezineonline+%28MAKE%29&utm_content=Google+UK
[15:25] <upix> Upu: what if it doesnt? :D
[15:26] <Upu> I send it back :)
[15:26] <upix> ok I will ask locals
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[15:27] <upix> anyone lives in Morecambe, Lancashire, United Kingdom
[15:27] <upix> ?
[15:27] <kokey> I've generally been happy with parcel2go
[15:27] <eroomde> wow interparcel look great
[15:27] <Upu> yeah the person selling that radio upix :)
[15:28] <daveake> I used to use parcel2go, but I find the interparcel nice, and they seem more professional
[15:28] <daveake> -the +r
[15:28] <upix> Upu: wanted to know if anyone lived nearby
[15:28] <kokey> parcel2go's usually just acted as a cheaper DHL agent for me
[15:28] <upix> :)
[15:28] <kokey> but this is a while ago
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[15:28] <Upu> Well I'm nearish but I'm not driving there
[15:28] <eroomde> hrm, £30 to get the bottle of whisky to Zuph
[15:28] <eroomde> on shipping
[15:28] <Upu> which Whisky ?
[15:28] <daveake> I think DHL dropped using brokers
[15:29] <upix> Upu: nah, i wondered maybe anyone was neigbour or something :)
[15:29] <Upu> no 'e' so a good start
[15:29] <eroomde> Upu: balvenie doublewood
[15:29] <kokey> is it nice?
[15:29] <eroomde> i think so
[15:29] <Upu> not tried that one
[15:30] <eroomde> was going to be an excahnge for a bottle of bourbon from zuph
[15:30] <Upu> Busy working through some Lagavulin atm
[15:30] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Cudworth "[UKHAS] Re: Solar Pico?"
[15:30] <eroomde> Upu: i am new to whisky and quite enjoying getting to know it better
[15:31] <Upu> oh welcome aboard :)
[15:31] <Morseman> Looks like HDSDR/Persueus combination may well be a 'goer' for next flight - seems to be behaving itself
[15:31] <Upu> like them peaty ? Islay ones ? or the more mellow like the Glenfiddichs ?
[15:32] <kokey> I only started drinking when I was 20
[15:32] <kokey> and I immediately made myself get into whisky
[15:32] <eroomde> more mellow atm
[15:32] <eroomde> but branching out
[15:32] <eroomde> next is an abelour abundah (spelling probably all wrong)
[15:33] <kokey> I find I can usually start non whisky drinkers on something like chivas regal
[15:33] <Upu> Yeah thats ok, try Arbeg, or Lagavulin, both Islay like Laphraiog
[15:33] <kokey> then work them through the irish whiskeys to the more spicy and peaty ones
[15:34] <eroomde> well, i turned 25 last week and whisky is my way of marking it
[15:34] <eroomde> being a frenchie my palette is all wimpy and used to wines
[15:34] <cuddykid> lol
[15:35] <kokey> yeah but at least you don't do bland food
[15:35] <Upu> Well I didn't get Whisky until I was at least 35
[15:36] <kokey> that seems to happen in the south of england
[15:37] <eroomde> i had a swedish gf who was into it (when alcohol costs as much as it does there, you tend to go for the hard stuff on your duty free allowance) but i couldn't get the taste at all
[15:37] <eroomde> but now in the transquility of singledom i turn to the drink
[15:37] <eroomde> and the drink smiles back at me
[15:37] <kokey> haha
[15:37] <eroomde> with it's vanilla notes
[15:37] <daveake> :)
[15:37] <eroomde> its*
[15:38] <kokey> whisky with water is the alcoholic drink with the lowest ph
[15:38] <eroomde> ah
[15:38] <eroomde> so good for your stomach
[15:38] <eroomde> low as in near 0 or low as in near 7?
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[15:39] <eroomde> Upu: what do you think of old pulteney?
[15:39] <eroomde> was recommended by a friend who saw that i liked the balvenie
[15:39] <Upu> interesting you ask as I've not tried it and I have been told to try it
[15:39] <Upu> but the wife won't let me buy any more at the moment as the cupboard is full
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[15:39] <eroomde> ukhas conf 2012 in the highlands
[15:40] <number10> well we can help you out there Upu
[15:40] <Upu> there is a plan
[15:40] <zyp> the answer to that is to drink more!
[15:40] <Upu> Indeed which is why I'm having a Whisky evening in April
[15:40] <kokey> acidity of water and ethanol is about the same, around 7
[15:40] <Upu> didn't go well last year, I started with 5 bottles and ended up with 10
[15:41] <eroomde> WOW
[15:42] <eroomde> i might have a money party
[15:42] <Upu> lol
[15:42] <Upu> I bought a bottle of Glenfiddich 21 year old which was about £75 but fantastic
[15:42] <cuddykid> so, the 2012 UKHAS conf is shaping up nicely - whiskey and eroomde's pulled pork
[15:42] <russss> I am a member of http://www.smws.co.uk/
[15:43] <eroomde> hehe you've got to really
[15:43] <kokey> I lived in gibraltar for 3 years before coming back to the UK just over a year ago
[15:43] <russss> which is awesome
[15:43] <Upu> not entirely sure I want to experience eroomde's pulled pork
[15:43] <russss> and they have a bar just down the road from my office
[15:43] <kokey> and spirits there were cheap, especially the stuff that's quite expensive elsewhere
[15:43] <eroomde> i don't mind spending money on wine properly every now and then
[15:43] <daveake> Upu LOL BBut you ain't lived till you've had pulled pork in a bun
[15:43] <eroomde> and in london eating out you have no choice anyway
[15:44] <cuddykid> lol Upu
[15:44] <Upu> daveake https://picasaweb.google.com/118244444241111963790/200909BermondseyStreetFestival#5383817658404996658
[15:44] <kokey> I don't know why they don't just call it landmine pork
[15:44] <eroomde> i had steak in a place on commercial st on friday, and it was definitely just the time and the place for a really nice bottle of burgundy
[15:44] <eroomde> at it was bliss
[15:44] <kokey> since it looks like the pork version of landmine chicken
[15:44] <daveake> Upu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulled_pork
[15:44] <eroomde> sod the bill, it was just a pefect match and a happy time
[15:44] <Upu> looks nice :)
[15:45] <eroomde> this was the guide i followed for mine
[15:45] <eroomde> http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/gallery/2011/jun/09/barbecue-pulled-pork-in-pictures
[15:45] <eroomde> it was just suporb
[15:45] <kokey> eroomde: which place?
[15:45] <eroomde> and pork shoulder is so cheap
[15:45] <eroomde> kokey - hawksmoor
[15:46] <Upu> oh eroomde wife says yes please to your chicken pie so if you have recipie pls
[15:46] <eroomde> best steak i've had in the uk and then some
[15:46] <daveake> eroomde I'll try that
[15:46] <daveake> Do you have a BBQ smoker?
[15:46] <eroomde> i have a kttl;e bbq
[15:46] <eroomde> weber clone
[15:46] <Zuph_> Pulled Pork, definitely a southern comfort food.
[15:46] <eroomde> so just put some wet wood chips on a small pile of hot coals
[15:46] <eroomde> was smokey as anything
[15:46] <daveake> http://www.forfoodsmokers.co.uk/acatalog/Proq_Frontier_Food_Smoker.html
[15:46] <kokey> eroomde: strange, I've never noticed it there
[15:46] <Zuph_> With an absurd amount of regional variation.
[15:47] <Upu> right talking of which seabass for tea need to go buy some bits
[15:47] <eroomde> kokey: it's the big building with no sign
[15:47] <eroomde> that looks dark inside
[15:47] <Zuph_> Almost every city in the south claims to be the "World BBQ Capital"
[15:48] <daveake> Yes, but they think the world ends at the state line
[15:48] <Zuph_> County line.
[15:48] <eroomde> Upu: it was a few rashers of bacon chopped, 8 chicken thighs filleted, about 400g of nice flavoursome mushrooms. finely chopped onion and 2 cloves of garlic sweated down in a bit of duck fat. throw in some taragon
[15:48] <eroomde> brown the outside out of the chicken very quickly, throw in
[15:49] <eroomde> saute the mushrooms (chopped) again super hot, downt crwod the pan as they want to saute not steam
[15:49] <eroomde> then throw in with the rest
[15:49] <eroomde> give them a jostle together for a couple of mins, then throw over a spoon of flour and fry it in
[15:49] <eroomde> then half a bottle of white, reduce
[15:49] <eroomde> scopp of creme fraiche, 2 tsp dijon mustard
[15:50] <eroomde> done
[15:50] <eroomde> just put pastry ontop
[15:50] <eroomde> i used suet but that's just cos i had some suet around
[15:51] <eroomde> kokey: http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2007/feb/04/foodanddrink.shopping2
[15:51] <eroomde> quote: " It was, quite simply, the best steak I have ever eaten in this country."
[15:51] <eroomde> i agree with him
[15:51] <kokey> eroomde: ah, I remember now, they always look like they're closing
[15:52] <Upu> cheers Ed
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[15:52] <eroomde> we had a bottle of gevrey chamerbin with it. really properly nice match if you get the chance!
[15:52] <daveake> For my next launch I think I won't bother chasing it .... I'll just put some food in there and wait for someone here to find it :)
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[15:52] <kokey> that's good to know, I lived like 10 minutes walk from there until two weeks ago
[15:52] <kokey> I have to go back to fetch my post
[15:52] <eroomde> Upu: that makes a big pie btw
[15:52] <Upu> I eat alot
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[15:52] <Upu> :)
[15:52] <eroomde> i'll get 4-5 meals out of it
[15:52] <Upu> hello
[15:53] <Upu> odd
[15:53] <daveake> Hello Luna....oh, it's Upu :[
[15:53] <eroomde> also it goes really nicely with sprouts
[15:53] <Upu> anyway ok off shopping
[15:53] <Upu> back soon
[15:53] <cuddykid> does anyone have good altitude vs time graphs for HAB flights? I'm interested in where exactly the atmosphere starts to kick in if you get me :P (air density picks up) - and whether it's fairly gradual or not
[15:53] <eroomde> kokey: not the cheapest though. but i had a man date with a good friend and we'd both had 25ths in the last month
[15:53] <eroomde> so we threw caution to the wind
[15:54] <eroomde> and hey, good beef is pricey but just so, so delicious
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[15:54] <number10> sounds like the bill was quite large
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[15:54] <eroomde> mmm
[15:54] <eroomde> well, we had 3 courses
[15:54] <eroomde> and cocktails before
[15:54] <eroomde> and waine with starter
[15:54] <eroomde> and bottle with main
[15:54] <eroomde> and desert wine with cheese
[15:55] <daveake> sandy?
[15:55] <eroomde> off
[15:55] <eroomde> piss
[15:55] <daveake> :)
[15:55] <number10> lol
[15:55] <eroomde> so it was north of a tonne each
[15:55] <number10> I am usually the but of those
[15:55] <eroomde> but, i don't care
[15:55] <eroomde> best meal i've had in about 2 years
[15:58] <eroomde> also i'm nowadays a veggie by default which means my annual food expenditure is the same, it's just lots of simple eating with the occassional extravagent meal out (or meal in), which is much more fun i've found
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[15:59] <daveake> I just have to careful eating out ... am on BP pills, and have found out (the hard way) that a large meal + alcohol drops my BP to the point where I pass out :(
[15:59] <eroomde> ouch
[15:59] <Zuph_> harsh
[15:59] <eroomde> yeah my gut can still take it
[16:00] <eroomde> but i may end up with gout or something one day :)
[16:00] <daveake> Thought I'd fallen asleep for 10 seconds, but apparently it was 10 minutes
[16:00] <Zuph_> eroomde: Sign of a life well lived :-p
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[16:00] <daveake> As I came round I wondered who the paramedic was coming through the door to see
[16:00] <eroomde> Zuph_: my trousers are doing that atm
[16:00] <eroomde> giving me the sign
[16:00] <eroomde> time to get back into cycling now the weather has warmed up
[16:01] <Zuph_> heh
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[16:02] <eroomde> oh also at hawksmoor i had a sherry cobbler
[16:02] <eroomde> which was the most amazing cocktail
[16:02] <eroomde> it was a really dry sherry like manzanilla, with sugar and lemonjuice and crushed ice
[16:03] <eroomde> it was so wondeful and refreshing and slighly dry and sour but in a lovely citrus way
[16:03] <eroomde> god
[16:03] <eroomde> i'm gonna have to make a few this evening i think
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[16:05] <kokey> eroomde: that sounds nice
[16:05] <eroomde> it was so amazing
[16:05] <kokey> especially since I like dry sherry
[16:05] <eroomde> very simple
[16:05] <eroomde> but my friend said that i kept involuntarily commenting on how deliscious it was each sip
[16:05] <eroomde> perfect pre-food drink
[16:06] <eroomde> and yeah, i love a dry sherry too
[16:06] <eroomde> actually with the cheese we had pedro ximenez
[16:06] <eroomde> whixh is just liquid raisins
[16:06] <eroomde> that was pretty wow aswell
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[16:07] <kokey> I've been to jerez a few times
[16:07] <kokey> while living in Gibraltar
[16:08] <eroomde> wow nice
[16:08] <eroomde> i'm rather jealous of that
[16:08] <eroomde> i'm pleased it's back into fashion again
[16:08] <kokey> the first time was just an impulsive drive that way
[16:08] <kokey> got there, and decided to find an open wifi hotspot and booked a hotel for the night
[16:08] <eroomde> when i started uni my friends were always suspicious of my insisting that sherry was wonderful and deep and interesting and undervalued
[16:08] <kokey> the next afternoon it happened to be the pressing of the grapes event
[16:08] <eroomde> see how i laugh now
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[16:10] <kokey> in britian they seem to prefer the cream sherries, which is like only part proper sherry
[16:10] <eroomde> i think that's what's changed specifically
[16:10] <kokey> another time we went to visit tio pepe there, was nice
[16:10] <eroomde> sherry has been something granny has for her sweet tooth
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[16:11] <eroomde> but now more people are embracing it as a serious wine to have with food or before
[16:11] <kokey> same with port really
[16:11] <eroomde> St John now has a big sherry list
[16:11] <eroomde> Moro, one of my favs, has about 13 pages of sherry
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[16:11] <kokey> I accidentally stumbled upon the fino sherries when my sister wanted to make a vegetarian stroganoff
[16:12] <eroomde> and there are dedicated sherry bars in shoreditch
[16:12] <kokey> ended up drinking the rest of the bottle over a month
[16:12] <russss> moro does have a lot of sherry, I can confirm that
[16:12] <kokey> last fino I had was that spanish tapas place in spitalfields
[16:14] <eroomde> meson los b-something?
[16:15] <russss> meson los barilles
[16:16] <eroomde> that's the one
[16:16] <eroomde> kokey: backup best steak i had in london (less dear at £25 but for two) was at bocca di lupo
[16:16] <eroomde> had it at the bar sitting infront of the charcoal grill they cooked it on
[16:18] <eroomde> that's a happy place too and not so financially dangerous
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[16:23] <Zuph_> Too damn many restaurants, not enough money/time.
[16:24] <eroomde> i'm glad i don't actually live in london
[16:24] <eroomde> i'd be bankrupt
[16:25] <kokey> I just went through that trip in my mind over the past few minutes
[16:25] <eroomde> happy memories?
[16:26] <kokey> from being sad that I only get to find out about these places weeks after I moved out of shoreditch to being glad it's not going to suck my pocket empty
[16:26] <eroomde> there are two many round there
[16:26] <Upu> anyone ipv6 enabled ?
[16:26] <eroomde> and there's the St John which is for me the king of all restaurants
[16:26] <kokey> I'm still just over an hour away so I can still enjoy it
[16:27] <Dan-K2VOL> anyone can be, with tunnelbroker.net
[16:27] <eroomde> the happiest place i could possibly be, gastronomically
[16:27] <Upu> yeah but enabled now without set up :)
[16:27] <eroomde> kokey: where are you now?
[16:27] <Upu> http://[2a02:710:1000:700::3]/
[16:27] <russss> I've never been to st john actually. This is a failing.
[16:27] <Upu> I think it works just would like someone else to check it
[16:27] <kokey> eroomde: watford
[16:27] <eroomde> yeah you really should go
[16:27] <eroomde> it's just wonderful
[16:28] <kokey> heh, I've walked past st john almost every day
[16:28] <eroomde> also, they sell our family wine :)
[16:28] <russss> I hear if you get a certain number of people together they will serve you an entire pig
[16:28] <eroomde> but that's just by-the-by ;)
[16:28] <eroomde> yes they will
[16:28] <eroomde> i think it's 12 or something
[16:28] <kokey> they have options for vegetarians?
[16:28] <eroomde> for a famously meaty place they do actually cater for veggies yeah
[16:28] <kokey> my ancestors upset the wrong gods and now I'm cursed by only falling in love with vegetarians
[16:29] <eroomde> i couldn't
[16:29] <eroomde> well i'm being silly, i'm paying for all this eating out by being veggie most of the time
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[16:29] <kokey> haha
[16:29] <eroomde> does she eat sea food?
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[16:30] <kokey> sometimes, but nothing like tuna steaks
[16:30] <kokey> but most of the time it's good for me
[16:30] <eroomde> oysters? cockles?
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[16:30] <kokey> she is not fussy, her food can touch meat
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[16:30] <kokey> so she often gets a meat meal with an extra side, and I take the meat off her plate
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[16:30] <eroomde> well, it's sort of pot luck i guess
[16:30] <eroomde> they are good at fish
[16:30] <kokey> sunday roast, I get double meat
[16:31] <eroomde> veggie there might be something or there might not
[16:31] <eroomde> for me it's all about the bone marrow starter
[16:31] <kokey> bone marrow starter, sounds yum
[16:31] <eroomde> super yum
[16:31] <eroomde> they just serve you a few bones and a long spoon
[16:31] <eroomde> then some sourdough toast
[16:32] <eroomde> and some really zingily dressed parsely salad and a pile of grey salt
[16:32] <kokey> she can normally eat any white fish as long as it doesn't look too much like a fish
[16:32] <eroomde> and you construct this amazing mouthfulls of toast, buttery rich marrow, zingly salad, and salty crunch
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[16:33] <eroomde> it's the closest i've got to god
[16:33] <kokey> friend of ours invented a strange dessert last year
[16:33] <kokey> you inhale a balloon of nitrous oxide and then pour popping candy in your mouth
[16:33] <eroomde> and your mouth turns into a coimbustion chamber?
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[16:33] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[16:33] <kokey> this is after some rum soup
[16:34] <eroomde> russss: i got a free meal at the st joh hotel in jan
[16:35] <Lunar_Lander> who is in charge of the Nova program?
[16:35] <Lunar_Lander> is that eroomde?
[16:35] <eroomde> not anymore!
[16:35] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[16:35] <eroomde> i am now a happy graduate
[16:35] <Lunar_Lander> were you for Nova 18?
[16:35] <Upu> hey Lunar_Lander
[16:35] <Lunar_Lander> hi Upu
[16:35] <eroomde> er, i have no idea
[16:35] <Upu> I posted your parcel today sorry about that but someone broke the post office yesterday
[16:35] <eroomde> what did we launch?
[16:35] <Lunar_Lander> ohh ok Upu
[16:36] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde: cranfield's microbe sampler
[16:36] <eroomde> oh yes that was me
[16:36] <eroomde> if there is a picture of someone holding a balloon and wearing shorts, then it's me
[16:36] <Lunar_Lander> xD no, Dr cullen sent me two graphs and the payload box in the lab
[16:36] <eroomde> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/4721830907/in/set-72157624203062811
[16:36] <eroomde> oh right
[16:37] <eroomde> you wanna fly it again?
[16:37] <Lunar_Lander> I am in touch with them since they flew on BEXUS
[16:37] <eroomde> it's the 3rd payload down at about 00:47 in the video
[16:37] <Lunar_Lander> and they have been through my delays
[16:37] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[16:38] <Lunar_Lander> but they said they'd like to send this one up with me
[16:38] <eroomde> ok cool
[16:38] <nigelvh> Point of curiosity. Why are your payload lines so long? We have 6-7 payloads per balloon and don't separate them by nearly that much.
[16:38] <eroomde> i like long lines
[16:38] <eroomde> .
[16:38] <Lunar_Lander> maybe also the pendulum effect
[16:39] <eroomde> well actually it's to try and reduce the pndulum-mode swinging
[16:39] <Lunar_Lander> the longer the line the longer the oscillation period
[16:39] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[16:39] <eroomde> for more stable images and video
[16:39] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[16:39] <Lunar_Lander> Physics FTW
[16:39] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[16:39] <kokey> what do you do about the spinning?
[16:39] <kokey> or does longer lines help for that too?
[16:39] <nigelvh> I see. Our lines are much shorter, but we seem to do ok. I was just curious.
[16:39] <eroomde> nigelvh: http://vimeo.com/3803248
[16:39] <eroomde> check out that for lines
[16:40] <eroomde> was about 100m
[16:40] <eroomde> kokey: see that link above
[16:40] <Lunar_Lander> kokey: there is quite some swinging in a balloon system
[16:40] <eroomde> the streamers were to damp out spinning
[16:40] <eroomde> you can see there's almnost none
[16:40] <Lunar_Lander> for example there is a twisting motion also
[16:40] <Lunar_Lander> of the flight train
[16:40] <eroomde> this was to fly a prototype star camera
[16:40] <kokey> funny, I was thinking of streamers
[16:40] <Lunar_Lander> what is that called
[16:40] <eroomde> so it needed really really low angular rates
[16:40] <kokey> can't do video here at work
[16:40] <Lunar_Lander> what is a twisting pendulum called?
[16:41] <eroomde> is there such a thing?
[16:41] <kokey> it sounds like it will be a joke
[16:41] <eroomde> oh
[16:41] <Lunar_Lander> Torsional
[16:41] <eroomde> oh right
[16:41] <Lunar_Lander> it's in the scientific ballooning handbook
[16:41] <eroomde> just twisting
[16:41] <eroomde> you will see in that vid there is almost no spinning at all
[16:41] <nigelvh> Yeah, there's about 10 feet between the balloon, and the parachute, another 10 feet to the first payload, payloads are then spaced 3-4' apart from eachother.
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[16:43] <eroomde> i think it looks a bit like the bayeux tapestry rendition of halley's comet
[16:44] <Lunar_Lander> btw that is the second time the Apex team will have a video of the balloon flying away
[16:44] <Lunar_Lander> and then "The End"
[16:44] <eroomde> :)
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[16:44] <Lunar_Lander> hi TimZaman
[16:44] <TimZaman> hi Lunar_Lander
[16:44] <Lunar_Lander> sorry I wasn't here when you flew
[16:44] <Lunar_Lander> thanks to my dad
[16:45] <TimZaman> oh well
[16:45] <TimZaman> wouldnt have mattered in the end :)
[16:45] <Lunar_Lander> ok :)
[16:45] <TimZaman> got the payload, everything in order
[16:45] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[16:45] <TimZaman> everything worked
[16:45] <LazyLeopard> :)
[16:45] <TimZaman> 2500 images, 3 hours of vid
[16:45] <Lunar_Lander> costyn said that you want to pause now, is that true?
[16:45] <TimZaman> everything still works
[16:46] <TimZaman> yeah unless i can think of something more crazy
[16:46] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[16:46] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[16:46] <Lunar_Lander> you beat me with the polaroid idea
[16:46] <Lunar_Lander> :P well done
[16:46] <TimZaman> i thought images were the holy grail, then this was pure fun (polaroids from space) but now i have no idea
[16:46] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[16:46] <Lunar_Lander> but Tim, you inspired me!
[16:46] <Lunar_Lander> do you know why?
[16:46] <TimZaman> have you ever flown then?
[16:46] <Lunar_Lander> no
[16:46] <TimZaman> ah cmon!
[16:47] <Lunar_Lander> but I want to fly till May the lateest
[16:47] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[16:47] <Lunar_Lander> I know
[16:47] <TimZaman> OK
[16:47] <Lunar_Lander> the thing you inspired me
[16:47] <kokey> you recovered Apex III?
[16:47] <Lunar_Lander> I'll fly a 808 cam!
[16:47] <TimZaman> Apex 3?
[16:48] <Lunar_Lander> that was the flight on tuesday from cambridge
[16:48] <Lunar_Lander> it landed in the channel
[16:48] <TimZaman> ah
[16:48] <TimZaman> i saw, crazy sensor stuff
[16:48] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[16:48] <Lunar_Lander> the craziest didn't get ready
[16:48] <Lunar_Lander> the semiconductor gamma ray counter
[16:50] <kokey> should get some radioactive material
[16:50] <kokey> to easy recovery
[16:50] <kokey> ease
[16:51] <priyesh> daveake & NigeyS: back - ping
[16:51] <NigeyS> wb priyesh
[16:51] <daveake> pong
[16:51] <NigeyS> lassen hit the post @ 10am
[16:51] <priyesh> you pinged earlier :P
[16:51] <priyesh> NigeyS: great :D
[16:51] <daveake> Popped your package in the post this morning at the local sorting office
[16:51] <priyesh> thanks
[16:51] <priyesh> great news NigeyS & daveake :D
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[16:54] <Lunar_Lander> hello priyesh!
[16:54] <Lunar_Lander> and hello NigeyS, daveake
[16:54] <daveake> LO LL
[16:55] <priyesh> hey
[16:55] <NigeyS> hey Kev
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[17:01] <Lunar_Lander> hello nosebleedkt
[17:01] <Lunar_Lander> priyesh: congratulations on a grand flight
[17:01] <nosebleedkt> oo Luna
[17:02] <priyesh> Lunar_Lander: thanks - shame it's on a coast somewhere :P
[17:02] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[17:06] <Lunar_Lander> but I think you made the first non-pinhole Totex float
[17:06] <priyesh> hehe
[17:06] <priyesh> unfortunately!
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[17:07] <fsphil> it was pretty close even if it didn't float
[17:07] <priyesh> yeah - ascent rate was an issue
[17:07] <Lunar_Lander> btw!
[17:07] <Lunar_Lander> I thought about geofence cutdowns
[17:07] <Lunar_Lander> would that work with an interrupt?
[17:07] <fsphil> you wouldn't do that with an interrupt
[17:08] <priyesh> not with an interrupt
[17:08] <fsphil> just call the function now and then
[17:08] <priyesh> (unless you have a completely different GPS module/microcontroller)
[17:08] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[17:08] <Lunar_Lander> why exactly?
[17:10] <fsphil> why would you want it in an interrupt?
[17:10] <Lunar_Lander> ah I just read about interrupts on sparkfun
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[17:10] <fsphil> aah, the 'everything's a nail' syndrome of programming :)
[17:11] <daveake> Lunar_Lander Interrupts are for things that need to happen "now!", like within a milliseconds. Anything else just poll.
[17:11] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[17:11] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[17:11] <Lunar_Lander> there is a hilarious pic in the IKEA instructions
[17:11] <fsphil> yea, interrupts need to finish quickly too
[17:11] <fsphil> tangent!
[17:11] <Lunar_Lander> there is a guy holding a hammer and the manual and his face shows that he has no idea
[17:11] <daveake> Indeed. Plenty of restrictions on those things, so use them when necessary and not otherwise
[17:11] <Lunar_Lander> and then the guy smiles and holds a phone receiver which is connected to the IKEA
[17:11] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[17:12] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[17:15] <daveake> What's the word for when you can't find something you need, so you buy one, and then you find it?
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[17:16] <Lunar_Lander> like this? http://s.gullipics.com/image/f/p/v/5zts6k-j3q43f-ttaq/img.png
[17:16] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[17:17] <nigelvh> Ikea and volvos are exactly why I learned swedish in college.
[17:17] <daveake> :-). Bought a little workstation desk thing last weekend so I can put all my electronics stuff in one place. The only the the instructions were useful for was showing what it was supposed to look like when finished. The rest was useless.
[17:18] <eroomde> i had a different reason
[17:18] <daveake> :)
[17:18] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:19] <nigelvh> Unfortunately, I'm rather far away from sweden, so I've not had the chance to use it much.
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> but IKEA lunch is tasty
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> and breakfast
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> and the chocolate
[17:20] <nigelvh> There are many tasty swedish foods.
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> köttbullar!
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[17:20] <nigelvh> mmhmm
[17:20] <nigelvh> sill
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> the awesome thing about IKEA is, at least here, that you pay a cup or glass
[17:21] <Lunar_Lander> and then you can take as much beverages you want
[17:21] <eroomde> i don't trust ikea particularly
[17:21] <eroomde> for their food
[17:21] <nigelvh> I haven't actually eaten at an ikea, but we ate food in my course.
[17:21] <eroomde> i'm not sure how meatballs can cost so little
[17:22] <Lunar_Lander> xD, yesterday's newspaper in them?
[17:22] <daveake> a question that one shouldn't ponder whilst eating them
[17:23] <nigelvh> Then there's the swedish word everyone knows. smörgåsbord
[17:23] <nigelvh> YAY SANDWICH TABLE!
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[17:27] <Lunar_Lander> btw, the top part of the picture
[17:28] <Lunar_Lander> I learned that this is called a Philips screwdriver
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[17:28] <Lunar_Lander> did Philips of Eindhoven invent that sort of screws with a + ?
[17:28] <daveake> no :)
[17:28] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:28] <nigelvh> What did you call it before? It's always been a philips screwdriver for me.
[17:28] <Lunar_Lander> ah, in germany it is "kreuzschraubendreher"
[17:29] <daveake> Pillips screwdriver / Philips in NL
[17:29] <Lunar_Lander> something like "cross screwdriver"
[17:29] <daveake> Sorry
[17:29] <daveake> PhLLips for the screwdriver
[17:29] <daveake> grrr
[17:29] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[17:29] <daveake> I give up
[17:29] <daveake> Two Ls not 1
[17:29] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[17:30] <nigelvh> I see. Well, i've always known it as a phillips, and the other is a flat head.
[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> cool! http://www.ebay.de/itm/Philips-Kohlefadenlampe-Kohlefaden-Gluhlampe-60-W-Neu-/120861766797?pt=DE_Haus_Garten_Inneneinrichtung_Leuchtmittel&hash=item1c23ec348d
[17:30] <russss> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_F._Phillips
[17:30] <russss> named after that guy ^
[17:31] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[17:33] <daveake> Impressive - http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/screenshots/185896d1319067477-animated-gif-thread-syptj.gif
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[17:35] <Lunar_Lander> cool
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[17:36] <Lunar_Lander> daveake are there energy effiency ratings for devices in the UK too?
[17:36] <Lunar_Lander> we got them from A++ to G
[17:37] <daveake> euro thing I think
[17:37] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[17:37] <Lunar_Lander> the carbon filament lamp has G
[17:37] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:38] <russss> yeah it's a euro thing
[17:38] <russss> buildings have them too
[17:39] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[17:41] <SpeedEvil> Ratings can be confusing.
[17:42] <SpeedEvil> Especially for things like fridges or freezers.
[17:42] <SpeedEvil> An A-rated fridge/freezer can use lots more than an A-rated freezer
[17:42] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> I actually dug into the way the efficiency is calculated for fridges and freezers.
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> In short - it's hideously complex.
[17:43] <Lunar_Lander> oh
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[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> hello GW8RAK
[17:46] <GW8RAK> Hi Lunar
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[17:46] <GW8RAK> Much better than this morning. Had some money in at work. :)
[17:47] <GW8RAK> Keeps me in business until April
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[17:48] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[17:49] <GW8RAK> And with a bit of luck, lots more next week.
[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
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[17:51] <TimZaman> best software to apply our $$...* ukhas strings with GPS positions to images (EXIF?)
[17:51] <GW8RAK> Getting paid in business in the UK is really tough at present.
[17:51] <TimZaman> i did that a few times already but totally forgot what i used
[17:51] <Lunar_Lander> wb TimZaman, hi NickB1
[17:51] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok GW8RAK
[17:51] <NickB1> hi Lunar
[17:51] <Lunar_Lander> now we need one from luxemburg too
[17:51] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:52] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, convert the strings to a kml - there's a program called gps correlator (I think) that can create the exif headers
[17:52] <TimZaman> yeah thats exactly what i did and used before
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[17:52] <Lunar_Lander> cuddykid isn't from Luxemburg
[17:52] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[17:52] <fsphil-laptop> (sorry, GPX format not KML)
[17:53] <cuddykid> no I'm not from Luxemburg :P
[17:53] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:53] <cuddykid> I'm am beginning to like python
[17:53] <fsphil-laptop> wish I hadn't discovered the speed up/slow down key in mplayer
[17:53] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[17:54] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop: don't say that you like slowed down songs too!
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[17:54] <Lunar_Lander> slowing down songs is awesome!
[17:54] <cuddykid> not having to go "int my_int = 5" is quite nice
[17:54] <fsphil-laptop> slowed down or speeded up, depends on the tune :)
[17:54] <Lunar_Lander> I stretched I don't wanna miss a thing from 4 mins to 12 mins
[17:54] <fsphil-laptop> what do you do instead cuddykid?
[17:54] <Lunar_Lander> sounds really great!
[17:55] <cuddykid> fsphil-laptop: "my_int = 5" - I get to miss the declaration! YAY! haha
[17:55] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[17:55] <fsphil-laptop> thought so
[17:55] <fsphil-laptop> there are things in python that are pretty niftyt
[17:56] <fsphil-laptop> -t
[17:56] <Lunar_Lander> IIIIIIII doooooonnnnntt wooooooonnnnttt toooooo cloooooossseee myyy eyyyyeesss
[17:56] <Lunar_Lander> XD
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[18:12] <TimZaman> cuddykid: how about "int1" "int2" etc
[18:13] <TimZaman> i usually do that with my code, its really nice
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[18:13] <TimZaman> seriously convenient since you can use "long1" 'long2' 'long3' for longs,
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[18:14] <TimZaman> fsphil-laptop: got a GPX example?
[18:16] <nigelvh> I did a project with a guy once who named all his variables "fuck" "shit" "ass" etc...
[18:17] <TimZaman> nigelvh: yeah same here, only this guy used farmanimals
[18:17] <nigelvh> fuck += ass - shit;
[18:17] <daveake> for pig in shit do begin
[18:17] <TimZaman> hahahaha
[18:18] <TimZaman> fsphil-laptop: how's this: http://running.rob-franken.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/gpstrace.gpx1.txt
[18:18] <daveake> I don't know what's wrong with i, j and k .... ;)
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[18:41] <PD3EM> Hi all! What's a good board to start (learn,experiment) with? Arduino Uno?
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[18:53] <cuddykid> yup
[18:53] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, I can't remember what gpx looks like :) I should still have mine somewhere
[18:55] <fsphil-laptop> here it is: http://fpaste.org/9wiO/
[18:55] <PD3EM> tnx
[18:56] <fsphil-laptop> I nearly bought an arduino at maplins one day
[18:56] <NigeyS> :o
[18:56] Action: NigeyS slaps fsphil-laptop
[18:57] <fsphil-laptop> well they looked really nice :)
[18:57] <fsphil-laptop> and it has an ISP header
[18:57] <NigeyS> lol how much were they ?
[18:57] <nigelvh> They're nice to start with. These days I just buy the chips and put them on boards myself.
[18:57] <fsphil-laptop> can't remember now
[18:58] <fsphil-laptop> yea that's how I started
[18:58] <PD3EM> I'm not that good in electronics NigeyS ;-)
[18:58] <fsphil-laptop> well originally with PICs
[18:58] <fsphil-laptop> then AVR
[18:58] <fsphil-laptop> being able to write in C and not assembly was the big reason for that change
[18:59] <fsphil-laptop> as much as I like assembly :)
[18:59] <nigelvh> I am not fond of doing so.
[18:59] <PD3EM> i'll look into it al later tonight. gotta go now
[19:00] <PD3EM> and order some tomorro :-)
[19:00] <fsphil-laptop> my temptation for the arduino was more for the lovely shields they have
[19:00] <fsphil-laptop> motor controls, ethernet, all just plug in
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[19:00] <PD3EM> that looks good indeed
[19:00] <PD3EM> cul 73
[19:01] <fsphil-laptop> later PD3EM
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[19:01] <fsphil-laptop> I had to modify gps correlator and I can't remember why now
[19:02] <fsphil-laptop> ah right, my images didn't have exif data at all
[19:02] <fsphil-laptop> had to hack it to read the time from the filename
[19:05] <TimZaman> fsphil-laptop: got it figured out. 'Gps Photo Correlate' only wants one specific form of the .gpx file though. but i found one that works
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[19:36] <eroomde> YES http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2012/mar/01/how-cook-perfect-steak-kidney-pudding
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[20:11] <TimZaman> so yeah
[20:11] <TimZaman> i got 2.5 days of GPS log
[20:11] <Upu> been anywhere interesting ?
[20:11] <Upu> hang on did she post it back with the GPS logging ?
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[20:16] <TimZaman> HAHAHA Upu
[20:17] <TimZaman> yeah turns out
[20:17] <TimZaman> people who found it were from the village
[20:17] <TimZaman> they actually got the payload
[20:17] <Upu> plotted it on a map ?
[20:17] <TimZaman> and went AROUND the village (not through the streets but the fields!)
[20:17] <TimZaman> yes!
[20:17] <fsphil-laptop> odd8/Span>
[20:17] <TimZaman> and they got home so that they didnt have to cross the street with it !?
[20:17] <Upu> linky
[20:18] <TimZaman> y
[20:18] <TimZaman> http://i.imgur.com/d13zz.jpg
[20:19] <steakandkidney> Nice!
[20:19] <TimZaman> to be fair, a person from the village i called up, said the farmer who's field it landed on is a Not So Nice Person
[20:19] <Upu> lol
[20:19] <fsphil-laptop> probably walking a dog?
[20:19] <TimZaman> so maybe they avoided that
[20:19] <Upu> and how did it get back ? Air mail ?
[20:19] <TimZaman> y
[20:19] <TimZaman> 2 days DE-NL
[20:20] <steakandkidney> Quicker by balloon
[20:20] <TimZaman> 1700 images from the A560, 1300 from the A720IS
[20:20] <TimZaman> 3 hours from the GoPro
[20:20] <TimZaman> 8 polaroids
[20:20] <TimZaman> 2.5 days of trackinglog
[20:20] <Laurenceb_> can anyone advise where i could find some PETG sheet?
[20:20] <Laurenceb_> <<1mm thick
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[20:28] <_Hix-Android> Ha, genius story TimZaman
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[20:31] <_Hix-Android> Glad its back.
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[20:32] <_Hix-Android> Should be loads of good pics given the time it spent floating
[20:33] <fsphil-laptop> where you ever able to get a copy of the TV show TimZaman ? That doesn't need silverlight?
[20:34] <TimZaman> fsphil-laptop: it can play flash
[20:34] <TimZaman> but actually i have the item itself on HD
[20:37] <fsphil-laptop> I think it's geo restricted too
[20:45] <_Hix-Android> Ping Upu
[20:45] <Upu> hey Hix
[20:46] <_Hix-Android> T68i with the clip on camera
[20:46] <Upu> clip on camera ?
[20:46] <_Hix-Android> £1.50+3.99 post ;p
[20:46] <Upu> lol
[20:46] <TimZaman> _Hix-Android: well i had it on fixed 1/500th so i have maybe 0.001% bad images the rest is tiptop
[20:47] <TimZaman> _Hix-Android: yeah got both of mine for 5 too
[20:47] <_Hix-Android> Before camera phones they had clip on cans
[20:48] <_Hix-Android> TimZaman win win win
[20:48] <Laurenceb_> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BUTT-AND-HIP-ENHANCER-LACE-UNDERWEAR-REMOVABLE-PADDING-/270917111225?pt=UK_Women_s_Lingerie&var=&hash=item84ba386649
[20:48] <Laurenceb_> seriously...
[20:49] <_Hix-Android> Upu http://www.mphone.co.uk/sonyericsson/images/ericsson_t68i_2.jpg
[20:49] <TimZaman> hahahahahah
[20:49] <TimZaman> Laurenceb_ your next payload?
[20:49] <Upu> oh
[20:49] <Upu> amazing
[20:49] <TimZaman> _Hix-Android: oh those days
[20:50] <Laurenceb_> theres opensource code for diriving that camera
[20:50] <_Hix-Android> Laurenceb_ looks like itd be used to heavy landings ;p
[20:51] <Laurenceb_> haha
[20:52] <eroomde> the ipad3 resolution looks quite nice
[20:52] <eroomde> more than my 24" monitor
[20:52] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[20:52] <Laurenceb_> SO WHY NO DECENT MONITORS
[20:52] <Laurenceb_> grrrrr
[20:53] <Laurenceb_> i hate widescreen
[20:53] <_Hix-Android> You can get an app to share iPad as external monitor win and MAC think its Iview
[20:54] <eroomde> that's nice
[20:54] <fsphil-laptop> whypad
[20:54] <Laurenceb_> ifad
[20:54] <_Hix-Android> :D
[20:54] Action: fsphil-laptop is very iNegative
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[20:54] <_Hix-Android> Android ftw
[20:54] <Laurenceb_> i run linux
[20:54] <_Hix-Android> Obviously
[20:54] <Laurenceb_> <- superior
[20:55] <Laurenceb_> I ALSO RUN OPERA
[20:55] <fsphil-laptop> it's the form factor. it's so awkward
[20:55] <Laurenceb_> only joking
[20:55] <eroomde> i like the idea of an ipad as a think client for a remote linux box
[20:55] <fsphil-laptop> oh you are special Laurenceb_
[20:55] <fsphil-laptop> 0.1% of our website uses use Opera
[20:56] <fsphil-laptop> safari is 5.6%
[20:56] <eroomde> mobile?
[20:57] <_Hix-Android> Opera went pants
[20:57] <fsphil-laptop> 2% use idevices
[20:57] <_Hix-Android> FireFox got big and slow
[20:57] <eroomde> yeah
[20:57] <_Hix-Android> Unfortunately Chrome works well.
[20:58] <eroomde> i've been a chromer for a coupla years now
[20:58] <_Hix-Android> Much as it pains me.
[20:58] <fsphil-laptop> No good adblocking for it
[20:58] <_Hix-Android> Google = Tesco
[20:59] <eroomde> who is waitrose?
[20:59] <fsphil-laptop> IE is Lidl?
[20:59] <Laurenceb_> waitrose sucks
[20:59] <_Hix-Android> Vertu but no browser
[20:59] <Laurenceb_> not as bad as M&S
[20:59] <_Hix-Android> Ie is bootfair
[20:59] <Laurenceb_> M&S is probably britians worst supermarket
[20:59] <_Hix-Android> Noo
[20:59] <Laurenceb_> followed by morrisons
[21:00] <fsphil-laptop> I've never been in M&S
[21:00] <Laurenceb_> and Chavasda
[21:00] <fsphil-laptop> ever
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[21:00] <Laurenceb_> their food is like 50% sugar/salt
[21:00] <fsphil-laptop> eiuu
[21:00] <fsphil-laptop> Not a fan of Asda here, the people who shop there are weird
[21:01] <fsphil-laptop> also it's oddly dark, they don't have good enough lighting
[21:01] <Laurenceb_> hehe
[21:01] <eroomde> i used to get a veggie box delivered
[21:01] <eroomde> and had my mega awesome butcher
[21:01] <eroomde> but that didn't cover cheese
[21:01] <eroomde> and there's no point living or eating or drinking if there's no cheese
[21:01] <Laurenceb_> sainsburys have good flood
[21:01] <Laurenceb_> *food
[21:01] Action: steakandkidney loves cheese
[21:01] <steakandkidney> I could be a veggie so long as I was allowed cheese
[21:01] <Laurenceb_> tho my local store did once flood with raw sewage
[21:02] <fsphil-laptop> everyone likes cheese
[21:02] <_Hix-Android> Hmmmm beer and cheese
[21:02] <fsphil-laptop> baps, tomatoes and cheese. like little pizzas
[21:02] <fsphil-laptop> great
[21:03] <_Hix-Android> Mmmm beer and nice baps
[21:03] <_Hix-Android> Did that thought come out of my head
[21:03] <_Hix-Android> :)
[21:04] <fsphil-laptop> sans beer
[21:04] <_Hix-Android> I love boiled spuds with butter
[21:04] <steakandkidney> pie and gravy
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[21:06] <_Hix-Android> Left over Bombay potato breville toasted sarnies. Sounds weird, just trust me on this
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[21:11] <eroomde> this is what's meant to happen to you once you're north of 80
[21:11] <eroomde> but i just spend 6-7 minutes looking for my phone
[21:11] <eroomde> which i was holding in my left hand the entire time
[21:11] <steakandkidney> lol
[21:12] <steakandkidney> I was going to say "call it", but perhaps that would have been difficult with one hand occupied ... :p
[21:12] <_Hix-Android> Do the same with car keys.
[21:13] <_Hix-Android> 15 mins once with them in my hand
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[21:13] <_Hix-Android> Hey lunar, got to grips with wp?
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> not yet, sorry but will do :)
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> today I informed me about domain options though
[21:14] <_Hix-Android> Kein worries
[21:14] <_Hix-Android> Good germish
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> i.e. that means I asked a friend about .eu and .de domains
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[21:15] <_Hix-Android> Go eu if eurohab
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:15] <_Hix-Android> Otherwise it'd be DeutscheHAB
[21:15] <_Hix-Android> and DB would probably sue
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:16] <steakandkidney> For some flights, adi.eu
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:16] <_Hix-Android> ;D
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[21:17] <_Hix-Android> Channel crossings mondi.eu
[21:20] <_Hix-Android> I'm out, all this talk of food......
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[21:20] <steakandkidney> deco.de
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:20] Nick change: steakandkidney -> daveake
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[21:40] <fsphil-laptop> apparently staring at code doesn't fix it. who knew
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[21:43] <NigeyS> lol
[21:47] Nick change: daveake -> daveake_
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> xD!
[21:55] Nick change: PD3EM_ -> PD3EM
[21:56] <PD3EM> Has the APEX been spotted yet on some nice beach?
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[22:00] <fsphil-laptop> not yet
[22:01] <fsphil-laptop> mmm beach
[22:01] <fsphil-laptop> if only it was a bit warmer
[22:02] <PD3EM> to cold for the beach ;-) A pity that nothing is found yet
[22:03] <PD3EM> But it can also float for 1 or 2 weeks before it goes ashore..
[22:03] <fsphil-laptop> indeed
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[22:12] <NigeyS> Top space boffins are keeping a close eye on an asteroid that could collide with Earth in 2040. Orbiting rock 2011 AG5 is about 140 metres wide and could come close enough to spur on a crack team of drill-wielding heroes to save the world.
[22:12] <NigeyS> we're all doomed!
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[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[22:54] <Laurenceb_> is it possible to pay USP over their website?
[22:54] <Laurenceb_> - customs charges
[22:56] <SpeedEvil> Fedex were call only IIRC
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[23:04] <Laurenceb_> it doesnt seem to be possible
[23:04] <Laurenceb_> wtf
[23:04] <Laurenceb_> its literally impossible for me to pick up my parcel
[23:05] <Laurenceb_> unless i catch a bus for two hours to the depot with my passport for id and pay the exact amount in cash as they dont have a till
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[23:05] <Laurenceb_> i know someone who resorted to that
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[23:12] <SpeedEvil> Maybe try phoning them tomorrow?
[23:13] <SpeedEvil> Many delivery companies are stuck in the 1980s.
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[23:19] <fsphil-laptop> yay, heisenbug. disappears as soon as fprint appears :)
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[23:23] <fsphil-laptop> and stays disappeared even after the fprint is removed
[23:23] <fsphil-laptop> that's spooky
[23:23] <NigeyS> gremlins!
[23:24] <fsphil-laptop> has to be
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[23:29] <fsphil-laptop> that's just weird
[23:29] <fsphil-laptop> I can't find any fault now at all
[23:33] <NigeyS> :| spooky stuff!
[23:33] <NigeyS> brb
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