highaltitude.log.20120226

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[00:10] <Randomskk> homebrew is so good.
[00:10] <NigeyS> mac ver of apt then ? :p
[00:10] <Randomskk> well it compiles from source
[00:11] <zyp> NigeyS, that would be fink
[00:11] <Randomskk> but it's package management, yea :D
[00:11] <NigeyS> ahh sorry didnt read properly
[00:11] <zyp> I think fink is literally a mac port of apt
[00:11] <NigeyS> so if you hit a bunch of deps homebrew sorts them out ?
[00:11] <Pavix> I prefer freebsd's ports. but anymore most package management systems do what ports did first which is resolve dependencies during installation
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[00:15] <zyp> NigeyS, every modern package manager does that
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[00:22] <Pavix> which is a far more elegant solution than running RH 7.3 and manually using rpmbone or some other rpm repository and trying to find that one library that will let your app run because it wasnt coded properly to detect newer versions of required libraries :P
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[00:24] <BrainDamage> that was like 10 years ago
[00:24] <Pavix> right, 2000-2001ish, when I first started using linux
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[00:25] <NigeyS> hehe oh i remember the days of RPMfind and dependancy hell with RH :/
[00:25] <BrainDamage> I relate because I was using mandrake
[00:25] <Pavix> using modem strings to get online with my dialup modem
[00:25] <BrainDamage> and was using rpmbone as well
[00:25] <NigeyS> AT&F1.......
[00:25] <NigeyS> etc
[00:26] <Pavix> but RH was far better than SuSE....ugh, missing gcc, missing make. it was a nightmare
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[00:40] <_Hix> anyone know if police helicopters are exclusively tetra these days. one been in the vicinity all day occasionally 2
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[00:42] <CovBalloon> built your array hix?
[00:43] <_Hix> nope - local sources turned up to be liars "yeah we've got that in stock" 15 mile drive "oh we're out of that"
[00:45] <CovBalloon> APPARENTLY YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH USE ANYTHING, BUILT MINE OUT OF STEEL MEASURE TAPE AND SCRAP WOOD
[00:45] <_Hix> turned out...
[00:45] <CovBalloon> sorry aout the caps
[00:45] <_Hix> STOP SHOUTING ;p
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[00:46] <CovBalloon> cut a steel tape measure up, works a treat
[00:46] <_Hix> oh no, I've got something much beter lined up.
[00:48] <_Hix> On a positive note: on my travels through the countryside, I found a farmer with a stall and honesty box. Potatoes are amazing. Just had the best jacket i ever ate. Cant remember whre he was though :|
[00:49] <_Hix> How does this sound to you guys:
[00:50] <_Hix>
[00:50] <_Hix> Aluminium Round Tube (6063T6) 1/2 in x 18 swg £1.72/ 2.5m
[00:50] <_Hix> Aluminium Round Bar (6082T6) 1/4 in £1.62 / 4m
[00:51] <_Hix> Instant win
[00:53] <CovBalloon> ready for tomorrow?
[00:54] <_Hix> Nah, closed for the weeekend.
[00:55] <_Hix> looked at the launch and predicted path. Mostly hidden by the part of essex that the galciers didnt wash away
[00:55] <_Hix> in the valleys see
[00:56] <_Hix> as they say in wales
[00:56] <_Hix> who had a great game today, I have to give them
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[02:40] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Indoor balloon inversion deflation video, similar to how we'll do in flight @LouScience Center today: https://t.co/xTnPgiIE #science #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/173598267882479617]
[02:40] <Dan-K2VOL> hola ballooners
[02:40] <Dan-K2VOL> thank you griffonbot
[02:43] <Randomskk> there is no way this jtag header is going to fit :(
[02:43] <Randomskk> https://randomskk.net/u/wombat.png
[02:44] <Randomskk> short of being horrible and putting it on the bottom
[02:45] <Randomskk> to be honest I'm dubious this will route on two layers
[02:46] <Dan-K2VOL> lol I think you're dubiousness is well founded
[02:47] <Randomskk> https://randomskk.net/u/ratsnest.png
[02:47] <Randomskk> hmmm :P
[02:48] <Randomskk> I could not have jtag
[02:48] <Dan-K2VOL> your
[02:48] <Dan-K2VOL> well that looks a little better
[02:49] <Randomskk> yea the ratsnest isn't too bad, it's mostly fairly well sectioned and laid out
[02:49] <Randomskk> but there's still kinda a lot of traces
[02:49] <Randomskk> and the jtag is defintely still an issue :P
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[03:05] <zyp> why a huge jtag connector and not swd?
[03:06] <zyp> (now I'm just assuming that's ARM)
[03:07] <Randomskk> yea will probably use swd instead
[03:07] <Randomskk> not sure if I have the hardware for swd though
[03:07] <Randomskk> and even if I do the connector on my jtag thing is the 2x10
[03:07] <Randomskk> so that's the easiest default when it fits
[03:08] <zyp> oh, right, I was thinking of cortex debug connector
[03:08] <zyp> which is used for both jtag and swd
[03:08] <zyp> 2x5, 50mil pitch
[03:09] <Randomskk> might manage to make that fit somewhere
[03:09] <zyp> you get adapter boards from 2x10 100mil to 2x5 50mil
[03:09] <zyp> I have one of those
[03:10] <Randomskk> any recommended swd dongle?
[03:10] <zyp> no, I haven't found any I don't dislike anything about yet
[03:10] <Randomskk> :|
[03:11] <zyp> I hate openocd, so I'd like to avoid everything related to that, including the ft2232-based dongle I've got
[03:12] <Randomskk> hmm
[03:12] <Randomskk> yea dislike for openocd is why I usually just use the onboard serial bootloader
[03:12] <Randomskk> but having some kind of debug connection would be nice.
[03:12] <zyp> I like the st-link on the stm32f4discovery board, but foss software for that is a bit unstable and immature still
[03:12] <zyp> and I don't know if it's really compatible with non stm devices
[03:13] <Randomskk> happily though this is an stm32f4
[03:13] <zyp> then I've got a jlink clone which I have yet to try
[03:14] <zyp> windows software seems good, except the fact that it requires windows
[03:14] <Randomskk> yea basically
[03:14] <zyp> but since gdb protocol is tcp based, that's not a huge problem
[03:14] <Randomskk> hm
[03:15] <Randomskk> I don't have any windows boxes lying around though
[03:15] <zyp> I've got enough computer to run one just for the jlink gdbserver :p
[03:15] <Randomskk> meh
[03:15] <zyp> computers*
[03:15] <Randomskk> openocd is good enough for some basic things I guess though
[03:15] <Randomskk> my main concern at the moment is probably just getting that 2x5 header on :P
[03:15] <Randomskk> there's still nowhere for it to fit
[03:15] <zyp> just put it somewhere
[03:16] <zyp> what is the design goal for the board?
[03:16] <Randomskk> 5cm by 5cm
[03:16] <zyp> why have you drawn an outline and placed all components now?
[03:16] <Randomskk> it's currently 49mm by 49mm
[03:16] <zyp> oh, right
[03:16] <zyp> well, looks like you've got a lot of room
[03:17] <Randomskk> :P yea I think I just need to compress some stuff a bit more
[03:17] <zyp> lots of free space between the groups you've made
[03:17] <Randomskk> ideally I'd have it route in two layers
[03:17] <Randomskk> which is why I left room between sections
[03:17] <zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/QW7ZG.png <- this is 50x50
[03:18] <zyp> and probably got as much stuff on it as yours
[03:18] <Randomskk> why do you have a ground plane underneath that big inductor?
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[03:19] <zyp> because I couldn't find any source telling me to remove it, and how much I would have to remove
[03:20] <Randomskk> as a first go, all the copper directly underneath it including on the layers below is a good start
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[03:20] <Randomskk> as a second approximation, going sideways as far as the inductor is high
[03:20] <zyp> [citation needed]
[03:21] <Randomskk> it's 3.20am, find your own citations :P
[03:21] <zyp> it's 4:20 here :p
[03:21] <Randomskk> hah
[03:21] <zyp> and I tried after someone else pointed it out to me, and I couldn't find any
[03:22] <zyp> and there is four layers of planes under that, and fuck it if I'm making a hole in them all without a good source telling me to
[03:23] <zyp> it's a shielded inductor, so it can't be that harmful.
[03:25] <zyp> after all, that's why it's so huge
[03:26] <Randomskk> if it's shielded I guess that's better
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[03:27] <Pavix> Do either of you use Lassen IQ GPS modules? I bought one and the pins are tiny, and recessed. So I bought a header from sparkfun but those leads are tiny and I'm having no luck finding an actual premade cable for this thing
[03:28] <Randomskk> the cables for the IQ are a pain
[03:28] <zyp> aren't the header meant to mount directly to a board, then having the module plug onto the board?
[03:28] <Randomskk> I've never actually used one because of that
[03:28] <zyp> or something like that?
[03:28] <Randomskk> yea, they are, iirc
[03:28] <Randomskk> but cables exist
[03:28] <Pavix> right, but the board that is referenced I think was discontinued
[03:28] <zyp> doesn't sparkfun make breakout boards?
[03:28] <zyp> ah
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[03:29] <zyp> well, can't be that hard
[03:29] <zyp> just train your precision
[03:29] <Pavix> I'd get my own made but if memory serves the guy I bought boards from last time had a min order of 3 boards and it was so much per board inch, I think I spent like $50-$60 for 3 boards
[03:29] <Randomskk> check out http://seeedstudio.com or http://iteadstudio.com
[03:30] <Randomskk> they're both around $10 for ten boards
[03:30] <Pavix> Thanks! that's a far better solution
[03:30] <Randomskk> nice boards, too -- 6/6 spec, double sided with silk and stop
[03:30] <Randomskk> takes 2-3 weeks from ordering to getting, but that's bearable. pay more for shipping and it drops to 1-2 weeks
[03:31] <zyp> but the quality is so so
[03:31] <Randomskk> meh
[03:32] <Randomskk> it's usually good enough, especially if you design reasonably cautiously
[03:32] <zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/bIChx.jpg <- seen their drill precision? :p
[03:32] <Randomskk> meh
[03:32] <Randomskk> it still works
[03:33] <Randomskk> use slightly larger annuluses if required
[03:33] <Randomskk> I'm yet to get a via that didn't connect from them :P
[03:33] <Randomskk> plus the boards are e-tested
[03:33] <Pavix> What are they using to place that solder paste? it's obviously not a stencil, or a very good one
[03:33] <Pavix> that stuff is all over the place
[03:34] <zyp> Randomskk, yeah, they e-test the boards, then go over with a knife to seperate tracks that bleed together
[03:34] <Randomskk> seeed/itead don't do paste, so it's not them, presumably whoever's board it is
[03:34] <Randomskk> zyp: hah
[03:34] <Pavix> man, when I worked at Solectron if I did something that bad my boss would go bananas
[03:35] <zyp> I've only used seeed for that one board in the pic, but I just hear bad stuff about them from other people I know
[03:36] <zyp> Pavix, it was my first attempt at applying paste with a stencil, ever, so that's on me :p
[03:36] <Pavix> I had some CopterControl boards made when the stores kept running out. I should find that guys number. I bet it'd be cheaper if I didn't need multiple layers
[03:36] <Pavix> zyp: ahh, so it wasnt placed by them?
[03:37] <zyp> what? how would you ship a board with applied solder paste?
[03:37] <zyp> :p
[03:37] <Pavix> by applying the parts then running it through an oven?
[03:37] <Pavix> I thought they did the components for you as well
[03:37] <zyp> I guess they can, for volume orders
[03:38] <zyp> but anyway, that pic is from my first attempt at reflow - I were training on some cheap boards I had lying around before starting on expensive boards
[03:39] <Pavix> Probably a good idea. like anything else practice makes perfect
[03:39] <zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/DheuF.jpg <- and this is the expensive boards
[03:39] <Pavix> What are you placing in the lower left?
[03:40] <Randomskk> sd card presumably?
[03:40] <zyp> microsd
[03:40] <Pavix> gotcha
[03:40] <Randomskk> well that changed my scale perspective :P
[03:40] <zyp> each board is 30x40mm
[03:41] <zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/mdVxb.JPG <- looks like this when assembled
[03:42] <Pavix> Now that's a nice looking board
[03:43] <zyp> was for my final project at uni
[03:43] <Randomskk> sweet. that looks great ;o
[03:43] <Randomskk> what's it do?
[03:44] <zyp> it's a wireless motion sensor
[03:45] <zyp> i.e. accelerometer, gyroscope, ANT communication
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[03:53] <zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/yuaYu.png <- also was my first 4-layer design
[03:53] <Randomskk> kinda tempted to make this current board my first four layer design
[03:53] <Randomskk> but if I do that we can't have it ready for wednesday :|
[03:54] <Randomskk> ugh farnell only carry the SWD connector with a 5 day lead time
[03:54] <zyp> the other board I linked were my second 4-layer design
[03:55] <zyp> submitted it a week ago, so currently awaiting boards
[03:57] <zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/QW7ZG.png http://bin.jvnv.net/f/MQwjL.png <- it's not that complex, and inner layers are only vcc/gnd planes, no signals, so it wouldn't be that much harder to make it two layers
[04:00] <zyp> but on the other hand, with a gps module with built-in antenna on the board, having a good ground plane is pretty essential
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[04:01] <Randomskk> do you have any part refs for the swd header? I can't really find anything that's quite what I think I want...
[04:01] <Randomskk> or at least, plenty of 2x5 50mil stuff
[04:02] <Randomskk> but not much with the right shroud for the keying tab thing
[04:03] <Randomskk> then then again given as I don't have a cable for it anyway I might as well just buy a part and the corresponding female one for an adaptor board and board-to-board mount it
[04:05] <zyp> mine is digikey 609-4054-ND
[04:05] <Randomskk> thanks
[04:10] <Pavix> I need a house, with better lighting :P
[04:10] <zyp> or better lighting in your current house
[04:11] <Pavix> its an apt
[04:11] <zyp> or better lighting in your current apartment
[04:12] <Pavix> I was trying to take a pic of this duino logger shield's leads and I couldn't get a pic without it being either fucked up due to flash, or just blury
[04:12] <Pavix> There are more leads than landings
[04:12] <zyp> & or better camera equipment
[04:13] <zyp> an external flash and a camera you can mount it on does a lot for a lot of indoor photos
[04:13] <Pavix> I'll buy that. I tried with my A560, an Olympus 10mp I bought for $50, a 14MP samsung...just wasnt happening
[04:14] <Pavix> I will also conceed that its possible it was entirely operator error as well
[04:14] <zyp> the point is the ability to use indirect flash
[04:14] <Pavix> Or have good enough lighting that it's not needed
[04:15] <Randomskk> yea but that's never the case indoors
[04:15] <zyp> well
[04:15] <Randomskk> a decent flash, especially bounced, makes all the difference
[04:15] <Randomskk> also a nice macro lens :P
[04:15] <zyp> :)
[04:15] <zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/bIChx.jpg <- like this one
[04:16] <zyp> borrowed a 60mm macro from a friend
[04:16] <Pavix> That's a great pic actually
[04:17] <zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/ofP5k.JPG <- can you even see that this pic is taken indoors with flash, in otherwise low light conditions? :p
[04:19] <Pavix> I'd say no, I can't tell a flash was used or that it was otherwise low light everywhere else. Looks like you've done some photography in your time
[04:20] <zyp> I were doing photo as a hobby a few years ago, until I got distracted by something else
[04:21] <zyp> now I'm just taking decent pictures of stuff I want pictures of
[04:23] <zyp> I'm not really a creative guy, so I guess when I mastered the technial part of taking good pictures I had problems finding good motives, so I guess I got bored :p
[04:24] <Pavix> Yea, boredom can be dangerous
[04:25] <zyp> but I still value good equipment enough that I bought a new $1000 camera body half a year ago, after I got tired of ruined pictures from a defect in the old one
[04:27] <zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/hae2q.jpg <- see the arc across the middle? that shows up in pretty much every picture taken outdoors in good light
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[04:28] <Pavix> Is that your balloon retrieval device?
[04:28] <zyp> damaged shutter, so it's letting in more light at that area than the rest
[04:29] <zyp> and the faster the shutter speed is, the larger amount of the total light is that erroneous light
[04:29] <zyp> :)
[04:29] <zyp> I'm not (yet) into ballooning, I'm just here for the cool people and stories
[04:30] <zyp> but I kind of collect hobbies, so I guess I'll pick it up sooner or later :p
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[04:32] <zyp> I'm going to check the HAM stores in Akihabara for some nicely priced radio when I'm going to Japan this summer, so maybe that'll get me started
[04:32] <Pavix> Like I said, boredom can be a dangerous thing...at least for me
[04:33] <zyp> I'm trying to not get bored of the quadrotor stuff yet
[04:33] <zyp> but it's not a problem yet, I just keep widening the scope :p
[04:34] <Pavix> You can always add more rotors. I was gonna do an X8 but at the time it was pretty bleeding edge so none of the boards were equipped for it
[04:34] <Randomskk> zyp: it fits ;D https://randomskk.net/u/wombat.png
[04:34] <Randomskk> moved all the radio stuff down a bit
[04:34] <zyp> I've been doing my own controller from the start
[04:35] <zyp> Randomskk, the blue markers looks a bit small
[04:35] <zyp> the connector I use is longer than that
[04:35] <Randomskk> yea
[04:35] <Randomskk> this is a different connector
[04:36] <zyp> one without a closed shroud at the sides
[04:36] <zyp> I guess
[04:36] <Randomskk> think so
[04:36] <zyp> what pcb soft are you using? kicad?
[04:36] <Randomskk> I would like to get this connector http://www.keil.com/coresight/coresightconnectors.jpg
[04:36] <Randomskk> yea, kicad
[04:36] <Randomskk> also in theory that pin 7 is meant to be missing
[04:36] <Randomskk> but can't find that anywhere really
[04:37] <zyp> nah, in practice it doesn't matter
[04:37] <Randomskk> well it does if the cable from the programmer has that pin solid
[04:37] <zyp> and if you really wanted to you could probably just remove it before soldering
[04:37] <Randomskk> but anyway what I'm actually using is http://www.samtec.com/ftppub/pdf/TFM_SM.pdf
[04:37] <Randomskk> but annoyingly I don't think the slot in its shroud is right
[04:38] <zyp> no, looks like it's no
[04:38] <zyp> t
[04:40] <Randomskk> oh I just found another that might be right
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[04:41] <zyp> I think I should find my bed, I think that might be right for me by now
[04:41] <zyp> soon&
[04:41] <zyp> I don't want to get up from my chair yet
[04:41] <Randomskk> oh :( :( 4.40am
[04:41] <Randomskk> oh well, layout nearly done I guess
[04:41] <zyp> no, 5:41 :p
[04:41] <Randomskk> and nearly got this part
[04:42] <Randomskk> where are you?
[04:42] <zyp> Norway
[04:42] <Randomskk> :o cool
[04:42] <Randomskk> hmmm samtec do this part with a selectable missing pin
[04:42] <Randomskk> not that farnell stock that :P
[04:43] <zyp> farnell doesn't ship to non-business customers in norway, so I couldn't care less about what they stock :p
[04:43] <Randomskk> fair enough
[04:43] <Randomskk> I have an educational discount and no min order qty so farnell means next day on anything and fairly cheap :P
[04:44] <zyp> I usually order from digikey and/or mouser
[04:45] <Randomskk> oh pants, the part I thought would be ideal is actually 100mil row pitch, 50mil pin pitch
[04:45] <zyp> :p
[04:45] <zyp> it's not supposed to be easy
[04:46] <Randomskk> maybe I just won't put a sodding shroud on
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[07:26] <TimZaman> hi all
[07:28] <TimZaman> gah friggin clouds!
[07:30] <daveake> Morning Tim. Still flying?
[07:31] <TimZaman> MOrnin
[07:31] <TimZaman> Yeah i guess so
[07:31] <TimZaman> :-)
[07:31] <TimZaman> Can someone clear XABEN for me, if that's OK?
[07:31] <daveake> I shall get set up then :-)
[07:31] <TimZaman> on the tracker? Thansk for setting the title!
[07:32] <TimZaman> *maybe* we launch a bit later, but i guerss between 10:30 and 1230 dutch time
[07:32] <TimZaman> all the other environmental elements are with me so that's fine
[07:32] <TimZaman> now hope the polaroid doesnt freeze
[07:32] <daveake> Was it ok last time?
[07:32] Nick change: Elwell_ -> Elwell
[07:35] <TimZaman> yep last time it worked perfect
[07:35] <TimZaman> but that was only a 15yo camera
[07:35] <TimZaman> this time it's more like 30yo
[07:35] <TimZaman> very mechanical
[07:35] <TimZaman> and the polaroids do not develop and do not take in light when totally frozen.. and the mechanism can freeze.. so let's see
[07:36] <TimZaman> lets
[07:36] <TimZaman> also 1x gopro 2x canon pwrshot, some basic sensors, no SSDV this time though
[07:36] <TimZaman> its a pretty payload also, you'll see later
[07:50] <Darkside> functional>pretty
[07:50] <Darkside> but anyway
[07:50] <Darkside> TimZaman: whats doing the main telemetry this time
[07:52] <Darkside> TimZaman: tracker cleared
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[07:57] <TimZaman> Darkside: what i mean by pretty is that it's functionaL!
[07:57] <Darkside> TimZaman: whats your main telemetry running on this time
[07:57] <Darkside> arduino or beagleboard
[07:57] <natrium42> ooh, TimZaman launching today?
[07:57] <TimZaman> arduino :)
[07:57] <TimZaman> natrium42: confirmed
[07:57] <Darkside> good
[07:57] <TimZaman> Darkside: thanks
[07:57] <natrium42> awesome :)
[07:58] <Darkside> we don't want another beagleboard crash
[07:58] <TimZaman> Darkside: no we do not
[07:58] <natrium42> TimZaman: gonna appear on spacenear.us?
[07:58] <Darkside> payload well insulated?
[07:58] <TimZaman> natrium42: confirmed
[07:58] <TimZaman> Darkside: oh hell yeah
[07:58] <TimZaman> priority
[07:58] <TimZaman> #1
[07:58] <natrium42> whee
[07:58] <Darkside> heh, after last time
[07:58] <TimZaman> Darkside: yeah that was lame
[07:58] <Darkside> you got *really* lucky on the first few flights
[07:58] <TimZaman> Darkside: nonsense
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[07:59] <Darkside> i mean the mostly uninsulated beaglebone one
[07:59] <Darkside> beagleboard*
[07:59] <TimZaman> oh yea okay
[07:59] <TimZaman> because each time i use double redundancy
[07:59] <Darkside> ack, keep getting confused with all the dogs
[07:59] <TimZaman> got a GPS tracker in there as well
[07:59] <TimZaman> and panda's
[07:59] <Darkside> yeah those might actually work over there
[07:59] <Darkside> the gps trackers
[07:59] <TimZaman> OK ill be setting up in 1 hour, i will let you guys know the status!
[07:59] <Darkside> they don't work here, where we land 100km away from a phone tower
[08:00] <Darkside> ok tiem to cook dinner
[08:01] <Upu> morning
[08:01] <Upu> updating landing predictions good luck Tim
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[08:03] <TimZaman> yeah that sucks
[08:03] <TimZaman> OK let you know
[08:03] <TimZaman> Upu indeed!
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[08:14] <timzaman2> testing mobile
[08:14] <timzaman2> i guess this works?
[08:14] <daveake> I see nothing
[08:14] <daveake> :)
[08:14] <timzaman2> Good! bb
[08:14] <Upu> tim
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[08:15] <Upu> pls record neck lift etc accurately thx
[08:15] <Upu> gah
[08:15] <daveake> too slow
[08:15] <Morseman> GM all
[08:23] <number10> mornin
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[08:46] <Morseman> Any update on poss launch time for PD4TA?
[08:49] <fsphil-laptop> nothing yet
[08:50] <Upu> reckon about 10-11 GMT is my guess though may be earlier
[08:52] <fsphil-laptop> lets hope one of them gets time to tell us it's up
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[09:02] <Morseman> BTW Morseman is me on works PC and G0DJA is me in the shack - FL-Digi up and listening now
[09:04] <Upu> working on a Sunday ?
[09:04] <fsphil-laptop> I should setup a shack some day- might keep the room a bit tidier
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[09:04] <Upu> just don't have so much stuff :)
[09:05] <Upu> No space for a shack
[09:05] <fsphil-laptop> bit I needs it all :)
[09:05] <Upu> morning jcoxon
[09:05] <fsphil-laptop> hullo jcoxon
[09:05] <Upu> FT-817 and a bit of coax ? :)
[09:05] <jcoxon> morning
[09:06] <fsphil-laptop> it's the yagi's, they're sitting in the corner taking up space
[09:06] <Upu> thye go on the rof
[09:06] <Upu> roof
[09:07] <jcoxon> what time is launch?
[09:08] <Upu> not sure he's on the way now
[09:10] <fsphil-laptop> I'll wait to see how your rotator works first :)
[09:10] <Morseman> Not working but I do work from home so 2 PCs and 2 internet connections ;-)
[09:10] <Morseman> The shack is still a mess and so is my work area - no time to tidy either. LOL
[09:11] <Upu> going to measure the coax today
[09:12] <Morseman> Where do you put the ocilloscope, soldering iron, 23cm PA, 4M transverter, 24 and 10GHz transverters, 30V PSU for the 23cm amp...
[09:12] <Upu> or rather I'm going to work out how much RG213 I bought 2 years ago and measure whats left
[09:12] <eroomde> i showed my old boss how to decode xaben on friday
[09:12] <eroomde> he got lots of nerd enthusiasm
[09:12] <Upu> nerd enthusiasm is best enthusiam
[09:13] <eroomde> and was v impressed actually at how the entire listening and mapping infrastructure has evolved among a disparate band of hobbyists
[09:13] <Upu> the desire to seek out new life forms...
[09:13] <jcoxon> disparate!
[09:13] <Upu> when you step back
[09:13] <eroomde> so he wants to put a balloon listening station up on top of one of the old test stands
[09:13] <jcoxon> hehe
[09:13] <Upu> its bloody impressive
[09:13] <eroomde> which is about 12m
[09:13] <jcoxon> yes please
[09:13] <eroomde> and flat all around
[09:13] <Upu> good plan
[09:13] <Upu> remote on ?
[09:13] <eroomde> same sort of area and geography as m0jcu in bicester
[09:13] <Upu> meh spelling
[09:14] <eroomde> and he gets really good copy most flights
[09:14] <eroomde> yeah remotely operated
[09:14] <eroomde> he wants to do sats too so is talking about an az el
[09:14] <Darkside> put a trackatro on it
[09:14] <Darkside> trackatron*
[09:14] <eroomde> which would please me
[09:14] <Darkside> yeah
[09:14] <eroomde> where i like to be pleased
[09:14] <fsphil-laptop> if we get frequencies uploaded to habitat, we could even have it tune itself
[09:14] <Darkside> 2 cross yagis
[09:14] <eroomde> fsphil-laptop: he asked if that was an option actually
[09:14] <Upu> need a machine for the remote ? Got piles of old PC's at work
[09:14] <eroomde> it does make sense
[09:14] <eroomde> he's got hundreds, s'ok
[09:15] <Upu> k
[09:15] <eroomde> infact i quite want to chrsited a raspberry pi
[09:15] <eroomde> christen*
[09:15] <Darkside> no audio input on those :P
[09:15] <Darkside> though you could just stick a funcube dongle into it
[09:15] <eroomde> is there not!?
[09:15] <Darkside> and theres your receiver
[09:15] <eroomde> there's def audio out...
[09:15] <Darkside> eroomde: no audio in
[09:15] <jcoxon> usb audio card
[09:16] <jcoxon> well supported in linux
[09:16] <Darkside> jcoxon: most of them are shit though
[09:16] <Darkside> i'd really suggest using a funcube dongle on it
[09:16] <fsphil-laptop> I use one :)
[09:16] <eroomde> oh well USB soundcard
[09:16] <Darkside> or get a *good* usb sound card
[09:16] <eroomde> oh sorry i was tooslow
[09:16] <eroomde> are they shit?
[09:16] <Darkside> many are shit
[09:16] <Upu> I use one
[09:16] <eroomde> i would have thought they'd be an improvement from an SNR pov
[09:16] <Upu> mines shit but works
[09:16] <jcoxon> well some soundcards are even worse
[09:16] <Darkside> http://rfhead.net/?p=388
[09:16] <Upu> its this little plastic thing I got free with the Digimaster
[09:16] <fsphil-laptop> yea they're very basic but I've not noticed any problems with it
[09:16] <Darkside> eroomde: see that blog post
[09:19] <eroomde> ok
[09:19] <Upu> the soundcard on my Samsung Netbook is great but the one in the newer Lenovo on is dire
[09:20] <Darkside> so yeah, either get a good usb sound card, or use a funcube dongle
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[09:20] <Darkside> i'd actually suggest a funcube dongle with filters and a LNA at the antenna
[09:20] <Darkside> farnell have ISM band SAW filters
[09:20] <Morseman> I use a US Interface Navigator for all my radio audio/data modes
[09:21] <Darkside> i'd do antenna -> SAW filter -> Minicircuts Gali-74+ LNA
[09:21] <eroomde> something on the 10.7mhz IF out of the radio
[09:22] <Darkside> or that
[09:22] <eroomde> that'd be nice
[09:22] <Darkside> what radio?
[09:22] <eroomde> to siluntaneously grab several balloons up in the air at once
[09:22] <eroomde> ic-7000?
[09:22] <Darkside> you cant if tap that
[09:22] <Darkside> dont go there
[09:23] <eroomde> i'd tap that
[09:23] <Darkside> heh
[09:23] <Darkside> well, you can IF tap it, it'd be at about 120MHz
[09:23] <Darkside> i worked out where to get it out of the radio
[09:23] <Darkside> but i wouldn't do it with an IC-7000
[09:24] <Darkside> eroomde: in one of our chase cars we have a Icom IC-R7000 with a SDR-IQ hooked to the 10.7MHz IF output
[09:24] <Darkside> that gives us 196KHz of receive bandwidth
[09:24] <fsphil-laptop> more radios should offer that kind of output by default
[09:24] <Darkside> if you combine that with SDR-Radio and its upcoming multi-channel receive feature, you could do the while multiple balloon with one receiver thing
[09:24] <Darkside> but only if they were within that 196KHz window
[09:25] <eroomde> i have notion of something i'd like to build at some point
[09:26] <eroomde> a super-resolution steersable antenna array
[09:26] <Darkside> you've talked about this before
[09:26] <Darkside> using MUSIC, right?
[09:26] <eroomde> for simultaneous spacial and frequency dedcoding
[09:26] <eroomde> yep using MUSIC
[09:26] <eroomde> you remember
[09:26] <Darkside> yeah
[09:26] <Darkside> we talked about it in teh car
[09:26] <eroomde> so we did
[09:26] <Darkside> thats some scary complicated shit
[09:26] <eroomde> when are you next around thias hemisphere btw?
[09:27] <Darkside> eroomde: not sure, hopefully this year sometime
[09:27] <eroomde> cool
[09:27] <Darkside> probably around june again
[09:27] <Darkside> we'll have to organise another get together
[09:27] <eroomde> i'm going to franco manca today
[09:27] <eroomde> as it happens
[09:27] <Darkside> franco manca?
[09:27] <eroomde> going with some guys from work
[09:27] <eroomde> then going to the science museum to look at the rockets
[09:27] <Darkside> OH
[09:27] <Darkside> the pizza place
[09:27] <eroomde> with someone who actually knows the design inside out
[09:28] <eroomde> which should be educational
[09:28] <Darkside> turnham green stop
[09:28] <eroomde> yep
[09:28] <eroomde> good knowledge
[09:29] <Darkside> i remember the pizza
[09:29] <Darkside> it was delicious
[09:30] Nick change: golddragon24 -> thanatus
[09:31] <Darkside> eroomde: http://i.imgur.com/Jc148.jpg
[09:31] <eroomde> the pizza place would make a good post-conference impromtu evening meal if the ukhas conf is near one this year
[09:31] <eroomde> i think the word was we'd try and align it with your visit
[09:31] <eroomde> hah there it is
[09:31] <jcoxon> eroomde, noted
[09:31] <eroomde> god i'm hungry already
[09:31] <eroomde> and i just had a bacon sanwich
[09:31] <fsphil-laptop> that looks nice ... I don't see any onions :)
[09:32] <Darkside> heh
[09:32] <eroomde> no onions
[09:32] <fsphil-laptop> sweet
[09:32] <eroomde> just exceptionally good pizza
[09:32] <eroomde> wood fired oven at 500 celcius in the middle of the restaurant
[09:32] <eroomde> sourdough base
[09:32] <eroomde> and just 2 or 4 simple ingredients. they take about 50 seconds to cook
[09:32] <eroomde> and all the pizzas cost about £5
[09:32] <Darkside> mmmmmmmm
[09:32] <eroomde> it's as far away from dominoes as you could imagine
[09:32] <Darkside> theres nothing around here that comes close
[09:32] <fsphil-laptop> is this in london?
[09:33] <eroomde> yeah
[09:33] <Darkside> chiswick
[09:33] <eroomde> there are 3 of them now
[09:33] <fsphil-laptop> will have to drop in next time I'm there
[09:33] <eroomde> one (original) in brixton market
[09:33] <eroomde> one (this one) slightly bigger and more sit-down on chiswick highstreet
[09:33] <jcoxon> quite looking forward to organising the next conference
[09:33] <Darkside> but yeah, having the ukhas conference on while i'm there would be awesome
[09:33] <eroomde> and now one in the recently opened stratford westfield
[09:33] <Darkside> i'll try and get some dates from my supervisor
[09:33] <eroomde> fsphil-laptop: you can see my pizza on the far side of that photo
[09:34] <eroomde> they get 2 kinds of peprroni
[09:34] <eroomde> a dry and a wet cure
[09:34] <eroomde> from some farmer in somerset
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[09:34] <eroomde> and it's so flavoursome
[09:34] <Morseman> Would be interested in a HAB conference what time of year and where are they normally held?
[09:34] <daveake> So far, 100% have been on a day I couldn't make :(
[09:35] <fsphil-laptop> also 100% up a lot of stairs
[09:35] <natrium42> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/36bjko/
[09:35] <natrium42> ^ this
[09:35] <natrium42> also wrong channel
[09:35] <daveake> And 100% with onion?
[09:35] <eroomde> Morseman: there's only been the first last year which was really fun, jcoxon and upu did a really awesome job organizing it. it was in oct
[09:35] <fsphil-laptop> daveake, sadly :)
[09:35] <eroomde> but there's no hard thing holding it to a specific time of year, i don't think
[09:36] <fsphil-laptop> any non-olympic time probably
[09:36] <eroomde> yeah
[09:36] <Darkside> ugh yeah
[09:36] <eroomde> wanna stay clear of that i guess
[09:36] <eroomde> august or something
[09:36] <Darkside> i'm likely going to be there during the olympics
[09:36] <Darkside> i think i'll be hiding away at bath over that period
[09:36] <eroomde> could hold it in cambridge too of course
[09:37] <eroomde> lots of places set up fr conferneces
[09:37] <eroomde> permenant notam
[09:37] <eroomde> churchill brunch....
[09:37] <eroomde> which used to be the hab staple
[09:37] <daveake> mmm...
[09:37] <Morseman> I don't like going to London at best of time and this summer I've warned my boss what I'll do to him if he suggests I have to go there this year...
[09:37] <Morseman> Fortunately have a colleague who covers that area anyway
[09:38] <Morseman> Cambridge would be better for me as well
[09:39] <Darkside> hmm
[09:39] <Darkside> eroomde: just thinking about my design
[09:40] <Darkside> i'm wondering how good the gps's filters are
[09:40] <fsphil-laptop> anywhere's fine for me, I'm having to fly there anyway ;)
[09:40] <Darkside> like, would having the outputs of the telemetry transmitters near the gps cause problems
[09:40] <natrium42> < Morseman> Cambridge would be better for me as well
[09:40] <Darkside> if i use correct microstrip lines and terminate the transmission lines correctly
[09:40] <natrium42> sure, but there's a selection process
[09:40] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[09:40] <natrium42> we'd all like to go to cambridge
[09:41] <fsphil-laptop> "What do you mean I'm not actually a Professor?!"
[09:41] <Morseman> Would the RF cause blocking even if not on harmonically related freq? Can be a problem cosited transmitters
[09:41] <number10> fsphil-laptop: we should try the conference at a time that coincides with radio full exams so you can take it at CUWS
[09:41] <Darkside> Morseman: i'm just thinking the input filter of the gps should stop that
[09:41] <fsphil-laptop> oooh
[09:41] <fsphil-laptop> now there's an idea
[09:41] <Darkside> we've done some nasty things to these GPSes and we still get lock
[09:42] <Morseman> I'm far too old to 'go' to Cambridge LOL
[09:42] <daveake> Don't worry - there'd be several of us in that club :)
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[09:43] <Morseman> Darkside True - always wonder what gets left out when make things really tiny though
[09:43] <Darkside> well i 'm thinking if i'm careful with the microstrip it shouldn't radiate anyway
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[09:44] <timzaman2> we have liftoff
[09:44] <timzaman2> its up its up
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[09:44] <_Hix> whoop
[09:44] <Darkside> and theres no tracking
[09:44] <Darkside> of course, they sort all that out once its in the air...
[09:45] <Upu> going to be organising a conference for this year shortly
[09:45] <daveake> good man :)
[09:45] <natrium42> the first lauch i did, something failed with GPS, so i had to reboot the computer via telnet
[09:45] <Morseman> Going upstairs to take a listen
[09:45] <natrium42> it was a small ARM board
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[09:46] <Upu> right off shopping back soon
[09:46] <natrium42> then everything came back up perfectly
[09:46] <fsphil-laptop> lack of updates is a concern
[09:46] <daveake> natrium42 nice :-)
[09:46] <fsphil-laptop> 1000 hab points for the first in-flight remote exploit :)
[09:46] <daveake> I once had to telnet into Colin McRae's rally car to reboot the tracking computer :)
[09:47] <futurity> Hi does anyone have a rough uk time ETA for pd4ta launch please?
[09:47] <fsphil-laptop> futurity, it's up now
[09:47] <Darkside> its in the air now supposedly
[09:47] <daveake> up already
[09:48] <futurity> Cool and signal being received ok? Just thinking Repointing my aerial eastwards
[09:48] <Darkside> nothing on the tracker
[09:48] <number10> I cant see it on tracker
[09:48] <number10> snap
[09:48] <Darkside> i thought tim would have made sure data was being received *before* launching
[09:48] <Dutch-Mill> Morning Yall ; Tim loc =Alkmaar ?
[09:48] <natrium42> it should show an approximate location a la iphone google maps
[09:48] <Darkside> though its possible he has local tracking or something
[09:49] <daveake> Yeah, dunno, he's not said
[09:49] <natrium42> he said it's redundant
[09:49] <number10> not much fun receiving if you cant see it on the tracker
[09:49] <natrium42> though i am not sure whether completely (power & all)
[09:49] <Darkside> natrium42: he has a gsm tracker on there
[09:49] <Darkside> thats his redundancy
[09:49] <natrium42> ah
[09:49] <natrium42> with separate battery?
[09:50] <Darkside> dunno
[09:50] <G0DJA> No signals here yet
[09:50] <futurity> Hmm quite a bit of effort my end to reposition so I'll wait until someone else picks it up
[09:50] <Dutch-Mill> Got a signal ..
[09:50] <natrium42> main screen turn on
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[09:51] <futurity> Dutch-Mill: Decoded message yet?
[09:52] <Darkside> there we go
[09:52] <Dutch-Mill> Yep
[09:52] <fsphil-laptop> yay
[09:52] <fsphil-laptop> fairly sane flight path
[09:53] <futurity> On tracker now it seems
[09:53] <Darkside> im gonna hop on the dokkum globatuner
[09:54] <_Hix> thought he was going for a rapid ascent
[09:54] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] Launch Sunday 26 feb from Holland"
[09:54] <jcoxon> what freq?
[09:54] <Darkside> damn, other people on that receiver
[09:54] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: PD4TA in the air 434.650Mhz on http://t.co/pAOZOoep #ukhas @f6agv [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/173707617036808192]
[09:55] <Dutch-Mill> 434.653.43 MHZ
[09:57] <daveake> Dutch-Mill have you just had the 1 sentence so far?
[09:57] <fsphil-laptop> right, get some (non-pizza) breakfast
[09:57] <Dutch-Mill> Yes signal fades a lot
[09:57] <daveake> ok. Was just alarmed at the ascent rate shown
[09:58] <daveake> Tim was aiming he said for 8m/s, but he has 1.8m/s showing
[09:58] <daveake> 2.2 now
[09:58] <Darkside> the ascent rate is WAY lower than its meant to be
[09:58] <fsphil-laptop> "oops"
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[09:59] <G0DJA> Still nothing here
[09:59] <fsphil-laptop> it's still too low for uk reception
[09:59] <daveake> We're off out shopping so I won't be tracking this one
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[10:01] <daveake> Mind you, at this ascent rate, it'll probably still be climbing when I get back :)
[10:01] <Darkside> hmm cant get the folkestone receiver working
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[10:01] <daveake> Tim .. did you fill OK? Ascent is sloooow
[10:01] <TimZaman> hi
[10:01] <Darkside> TimZaman: looks like you're going to germany
[10:01] <TimZaman> yeah well
[10:01] <TimZaman> never use a scale
[10:02] <TimZaman> :)
[10:02] <Dutch-Mill> Packets comming in now
[10:02] <TimZaman> Dutch-Mill: oook top thanks
[10:03] <Dutch-Mill> swapped the yagi fot the 1/4 gpa ?
[10:04] <Dutch-Mill> 434.654.16 MHZ
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[10:04] <TimZaman> 17 degrees #ilikeit
[10:05] <jcoxon> tiis that internal or external
[10:05] <jcoxon> ?
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[10:06] <TimZaman> internal
[10:06] <_Hix> looks like he's going to france
[10:08] <Darkside> hmm
[10:08] <Darkside> Dutch-Mill: are you noticing the signal being reversed?
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[10:09] <Darkside> i need Rv on to demod it on USB
[10:09] <Dutch-Mill> yes it's Rv
[10:09] <Darkside> yeah i'm tracking it now
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[10:10] <Darkside> not showing up in the list though :P
[10:11] <fsphil-laptop> your showing up in the raw data
[10:11] <Darkside> theres probably a noticable time lag on my end
[10:11] <Darkside> oh ok
[10:11] <Darkside> what as fsphil-laptop ?
[10:11] <Darkside> VK5FDRK or VK5QI
[10:11] <fsphil-laptop> QI
[10:11] <Darkside> cool
[10:11] <TimZaman> yeah signal is reversed hehe sorry
[10:12] <TimZaman> yeah i thought itd be sweet
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[10:12] <Darkside> TimZaman: what baloon size are you using?
[10:12] <daveake> Time what size balloon is this
[10:13] <daveake> *Tim
[10:13] <fsphil-laptop> yea Darkside, your data is arriving just after the new telemetry is uploaded
[10:13] <Darkside> fsphil-laptop: lol
[10:13] <Darkside> fsphil-laptop: damn delay
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[10:13] <fsphil-laptop> I don't check for that in habhound, it looks like the balloon drops down again ;)
[10:13] <jcoxon> hey PD3EM
[10:13] <fsphil-laptop> it's zig-zagging its way up
[10:14] <TimZaman> :-)
[10:14] <PD3EM> Hi James!
[10:14] <Darkside> TimZaman: what balloon size
[10:14] <Darkside> and manufacturer
[10:14] <TimZaman> TimZaman: Floatomatic 9000
[10:14] <fsphil-laptop> should be detectable in the east of England now
[10:14] <TimZaman> 1600 grams of sheer joy
[10:14] <Darkside> uh oh
[10:14] <daveake> Hope the chase car has a full tank
[10:15] <Darkside> hwoyee 1600g + 2m/s ascent rate = float
[10:15] <fsphil-laptop> cut-down?
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[10:15] <NickB1> going to pass right over me :)
[10:15] <PD3EM> where to enter data?
[10:16] <jcoxon> PD3EM, its automated with dl-fldigi
[10:16] <PD3EM> okee but don't have that installed yet ;-) Using DM780 now :-(
[10:18] <jcoxon> uploading manually takes a while
[10:18] <jcoxon> are you able to install that?
[10:18] <PD3EM> doenloading it right now
[10:18] <jcoxon> okay cool
[10:18] <TimZaman> no cutdownn
[10:18] <griffonbot> @amoroso: RT @jamescoxon: PD4TA in the air 434.650Mhz on http://t.co/pAOZOoep #ukhas @f6agv [http://twitter.com/amoroso/status/173713619077443584]
[10:18] <TimZaman> might have burndown though
[10:19] <jcoxon> PD3EM, http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide#dl-fldigi
[10:19] <TimZaman> got some uncontrolled nichrome in there
[10:21] <PD3EM> getting errors on sstarting dl-fldigi
[10:21] <jcoxon> PD3EM, what errors? what OS?
[10:22] <PD3EM> on win7 64 bit abt C++ runtime terminating
[10:23] <G0DJA> Still nothing here as yet
[10:23] <jcoxon> PD3EM, can you run it in 32bit mode?
[10:23] <jcoxon> i don't run 64
[10:24] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i run win7 64bit, no problems here
[10:25] <Darkside> i'm seeing some duplicate sentences coming thorugh
[10:25] <Darkside> well, 2 consecutive sentences with the same gps data
[10:26] <Darkside> only very occasionally though
[10:27] <PD3EM> strange... appcrash with C++ runtime on dl-flidigi. Need to look into it...
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[10:27] <jcoxon> which dl-fldigi did you download?
[10:28] <Darkside> hmm
[10:28] <PD3EM> version 3.20.29
[10:28] <Darkside> it appears to happen every 10 sentences
[10:28] <Darkside> like, 269 and 270 have teh same data, as does 279 and 280
[10:30] <jcoxon> fsphil-laptop, any ideas about dl-fldigi issue?
[10:30] <jcoxon> PD3EM, from my github?
[10:30] <PD3EM> James, indeed from your github
[10:30] <jcoxon> PD3EM, try this one
[10:30] <jcoxon> https://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi/downloads
[10:31] <jcoxon> its the next generation of dl-fldigi
[10:31] <jcoxon> not really released yet
[10:31] <_Hix> that horizon is not getting any nearer anytime quick
[10:32] <PD3EM> Thanks James but still the same error. Gonna check on C++ nowe
[10:32] <jcoxon> yeah - seems strange that tis not working
[10:34] <_Hix> has anyone got a link to the line of sight map that upu posted in the week?
[10:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon no problems on my win7 64bit
[10:36] <G0DJA> _Hix You mean http://www.heywhatsthat.com/
[10:36] <G0DJA> Was me who told him about it ;-)
[10:38] <_Hix> looks like it - cheers
[10:39] <G0DJA> Any update on frequency?
[10:39] <futurity> Hi does anyone have the current frequency?
[10:39] <number10> looks like its 343.6530
[10:39] <Dutch-Mill> 434.653
[10:39] <Dutch-Mill> ;-)
[10:40] Nick change: number10 -> number10_2E0DBR
[10:40] <G0DJA> OK - I'll leave RX there then - was wondering if any driftyeat
[10:40] <fsphil-laptop> PD3EM, can you try this one - it fixes a couple of bugs: https://www.sanslogic.co.uk/files/dl-fldigi-3.21.13-fsphil-github-20110908b_setup.exe
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[10:40] <fsphil-laptop> too late
[10:41] <futurity> Thanks but still not receiving it in Cambridge.
[10:41] <fsphil-laptop> it's still very low on the horizon from cambridge
[10:42] <futurity> True
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[10:42] <G0DJA> Can't connect to that sanslogic site - unavailable
[10:42] <fsphil-laptop> ah, try http instead of https
[10:43] <fsphil-laptop> https only works on ipv6
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[10:43] <fsphil-laptop> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/files/dl-fldigi-3.21.13-fsphil-github-20110908b_setup.exe
[10:43] <Dutch-Mill> i'm out for prox an hour let it all running seeY
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[10:43] <fsphil-laptop> it's the last version we did before the habitat updates
[10:43] <Dutch-Mill> PD3EM heb je het aan de praat ?
[10:44] <G0DJA> Now an explosion in a wingdings factory on screen...
[10:44] <PD3EM> Not yet... did a reboot but still the same errors
[10:45] <fsphil-laptop> PD3EM, can you try this version: http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/files/dl-fldigi-3.21.13-fsphil-github-20110908b_setup.exe
[10:45] <PD3EM> The balloon is coming strait over my house yet!
[10:45] <Dutch-Mill> smile and wave ...;-)
[10:45] <fsphil-laptop> how good is your aim? :)
[10:46] <futurity> i take it that the signal is USB? Is it a good strong signal?
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[10:47] <PD3EM> Thanks fshil but still no luck
[10:47] <fsphil-laptop> PD3EM, can you delete the old dl-fldigi configuration
[10:47] <fsphil-laptop> I believe they are in c:\documents and settings\<username>\
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[10:48] <fsphil-laptop> sometimes an old configuration file can cause it to crash
[10:48] <jcoxon> fsphil-laptop, it was reported as a c++ error
[10:49] <PD3EM> I think I have to dig deeper into the error and have to wait for the next balloon
[10:50] <OZ1SKY_Brian> have you tryed to run it in admin mode?
[10:50] <futurity> Hi is 2E0DBR in the IRC room?
[10:50] <number10_2E0DBR> yes
[10:51] <PD3EM> Have run it in several modes with and without admin priviledges
[10:51] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PD3EM ok
[10:51] <TimZaman> dlfldigi has crashed like 20 times alerady in the past hour :)
[10:52] <jcoxon> i find dl-fldigi quite stable usually
[10:52] <_Hix> anyone apart from number10_2E0DBR heard a sniff of a string?
[10:52] <jcoxon> _Hix, nothing here but i've got buildings etc in the way
[10:53] <_Hix> jcoxon, think I'm ok with los but got problems with some twat and a strimmer that is RF loud
[10:53] <eroomde> heh, it's predicted to land on top of a girl i used to see
[10:55] <gonzo_> still over the horizon for me
[10:55] <_Hix> futurity, he's on as number10_2E0DBR
[10:56] <eroomde> nice work futurity !
[10:56] <futurity> _Hix: thanks, just speaking messaging him separately so as not to pal lute the room
[10:56] <_Hix> nps
[10:57] <TimZaman> we, the chase car, is near Gouda
[10:57] <jcoxon> i've got a sniff of a signal
[10:57] <number10_2E0DBR> thats me
[10:57] <number10_2E0DBR> futurity: isnt receiving the signal for some reason _Hix
[10:58] <futurity> i may have a wife of a signal now
[10:58] <futurity> wife auto spell correction not good
[10:58] <fsphil-laptop> is it demanding you spend more time with it?
[10:58] <futurity> wiff wiff ;)
[10:58] <_Hix> fsphil-laptop, Ha ha :D
[10:59] <number10_2E0DBR> I think I should replace my freebe 75ohm cable with some at 50ohm
[10:59] <futurity> I should move my rig right next to the aerial as well
[10:59] <futurity> on the end of a huge pole!
[10:59] <NickB1> got a weak signal now
[11:00] <_Hix> are you guys picking up on 434.653 or has it drifted
[11:00] <number10_2E0DBR> about that
[11:01] <number10_2E0DBR> its drifting towards .654
[11:01] <_Hix> my super high-gain coathanger is a bit pants it appears
[11:01] <jonsowman> _Hix: nice
[11:02] <jonsowman> what antenna did you make?
[11:02] <eroomde> wife
[11:02] <eroomde> lol
[11:02] <eroomde> you like your women fading in and out
[11:02] <eroomde> if she's doing that, you need to use more rohipnol next time #toplad #banter
[11:02] <jonsowman> oh dear
[11:03] <fsphil-laptop> you feeling ok eroomde? :)
[11:03] <eroomde> #writeaguradianarticleaboutladculture
[11:03] <gonzo_> more like selective deafness
[11:03] <TimZaman> got a fairly weak signal here
[11:03] <gonzo_> and variable SNR
[11:03] <NickB1> decoding :)
[11:03] <_Hix> jonsowman, moxon for now. but got 4m of 1/4 aluminium bar on order for a proper antenna
[11:04] <jonsowman> _Hix: good stuff
[11:04] <jonsowman> moxons have a bit of a weird radiation pattern
[11:04] <Upu> current dial frequency ?
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[11:04] <jonsowman> but are surprisingly good for a coathanger
[11:04] <_Hix> jonsowman, mine isn't it apperas
[11:04] <_Hix> appears
[11:05] <gonzo_> I had to make up a yagi from bits found in a hotel room once. Coat hanger and chock blocks (well OK the chock blocks were mine). Worked ok though
[11:06] <_Hix> btw 4m of 1/4" aluminium bar is something in the region of £1.62
[11:06] <jonsowman> _Hix: http://www.moxonantennaproject.com/sm5jab/moxon_433_50ohm.jpg
[11:06] <jonsowman> look at the elevation plot
[11:06] <jcoxon> i like moxons
[11:06] <gonzo_> that's cheap
[11:06] <jcoxon> they are small but suprisingly good
[11:07] <Upu> anyone got a dial frequency ?
[11:07] <jonsowman> jcoxon: that thing shows 12dBi gain which is amazing for what they are
[11:07] <number10_2E0DBR> 434.653
[11:07] <_Hix> jonsowman, thing mine has mover the dp to the left on the gain
[11:08] <_Hix> moved
[11:08] <jonsowman> _Hix: haha never mind, good build practice :)
[11:08] <Upu> thx
[11:08] <_Hix> everything is quicker second time - learnt that at work a few times
[11:08] <jonsowman> true
[11:09] <Upu> don't see it here yet
[11:09] <_Hix> jonsowman, with 1/4" alu bar, I should have enough to make a yagi and some left over for a moxon too, would it work with that dia?
[11:09] <jonsowman> i don't see why not
[11:10] <jonsowman> if you can hold of an ATU or SWR meter that'd be good
[11:10] <jonsowman> esp for the yagi
[11:10] <eroomde> argh moxon
[11:10] <eroomde> just be away od the elvation pattern
[11:10] <_Hix> goes to google ATU/ SWR
[11:11] <eroomde> http://www.moxonantennaproject.com/2E0RHM/image002.jpg
[11:11] <LazyLeopard> Getting the occasional line, and a lot of checksums failed...
[11:11] <eroomde> so if the balloon crossed on the elevation plane, it'll be LOUDquietLOUDquietLOUDquietLOUDquietLOUDquiet
[11:12] <LazyLeopard> Probably really need a yagi. It's the wrong side of my house, though.
[11:12] <futurity> still nothing here
[11:15] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,509,11:14>18,51.3569,+5.1470,13974,10,8,4215*652D
[11:15] <TimZaman> ! POLARIZING SPACE !$$PD4TA,510,11:14:18,51.3569,+5.1470,13974,10,8l4208*7DB6
[11:15] <TimZaman> !
[11:15] <PD3EM> data in DM780: $$PD4TA,5Ø9,11:14:18,51.3569,+5.147Ø,13974,1Ø,8,4215*652D ! POLARIZING SPACE ! - $$PD4TA,51Ø,11:14:18,51.3569,+5.147Ø,13974,1Ø,8,42Ø8*7DB6
[11:15] <TimZaman> polaroid camera in there thats taking pictures
[11:17] <Upu> ok I think I see it
[11:17] <Upu> very very weak
[11:18] <griffonbot> Received email: Jon Sowman "[UKHAS] Project Aether Launches (CU Spaceflight)"
[11:18] <LazyLeopard> There are 3 lines on the waterfall, two data and one blank...
[11:18] <Upu> 434.654.370 here
[11:19] <Upu> wish I had my yagi up
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[11:19] <LazyLeopard> 434.654.47 USB with Rv here
[11:20] <jcoxon> jonsowman, aprs beacon?
[11:20] <jonsowman> jcoxon: on 70cms
[11:20] <jcoxon> fm?
[11:20] <jonsowman> yeah
[11:20] <jcoxon> interesting
[11:20] <Upu> RV ?
[11:20] <Upu> k thx
[11:20] <jonsowman> yeah they've not really given me much information jcoxon
[11:20] <jonsowman> but they know about UK regs and power limits, I've made sure of that
[11:20] <Upu> I can see it coming out of the noise
[11:20] <LazyLeopard> Signal strength's just picked up.
[11:21] <Upu> agreed
[11:21] <TimZaman> would it matter for floating the fact that the payload was fairly heavy?
[11:21] <Upu> so its RV, and just autoconfigure ?
[11:21] <LazyLeopard> Just had half a dozen clean lines in a row
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[11:22] <EAJ> Hi Tim, Eric here
[11:23] <EAJ> Had other things to do so unfortunately I'm not tracking
[11:23] <Darkside> TimZaman: what weight was the payload?
[11:23] <TimZaman> no idea lets say it was 2.5kg
[11:23] <jcoxon> TimZaman, i don't think payload mass will matter
[11:23] <TimZaman> EAJ, no problem!
[11:23] <jcoxon> it seems to be ascent rate that is key
[11:24] <Upu> oo getting decodes
[11:24] <Upu> G0DJA you got it yet ?
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[11:24] <Darkside> TimZaman: so where are you guys?
[11:25] <TimZaman> s hertogenbosch
[11:26] <jcoxon> dial freq?
[11:26] <Upu> 434.654.37 here
[11:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> and shift?
[11:26] <Upu> RV
[11:26] <Upu> 410
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[11:29] <cuddykid> morning all
[11:30] <Laurenceb_> ooh very slow ascent
[11:30] <cuddykid> breaky then will be ready to have a listen :D
[11:30] <Laurenceb_> might float well XD
[11:31] <cuddykid> wow - that is slow
[11:31] <cuddykid> could be an altitude record?
[11:31] <cuddykid> anyone know balloon size and payload weight?
[11:31] <Upu> 1600g with 2.5kg under it
[11:33] <Laurenceb_> howyee?
[11:34] <_Hix> I get the feeling TimZaman is going to have a bloody big drive. Still, least he han refuel cheaply outside th eNetherlands
[11:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> rate is picking up now 4m/s
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[11:41] <Upu> decoding in sunny west yorkshire
[11:42] <Upu> 567.4km
[11:42] <cuddykid> wdb: is that you Will?
[11:42] <TimZaman> wow Upu nice
[11:42] <cuddykid> time to have a listen in
[11:44] <cuddykid> nothing on the whip inside :P
[11:45] <cuddykid> _Hix: it is going to be one big drive!
[11:46] <TimZaman> we are now past eindhoven
[11:47] <TimZaman> almost caught up with the balloon , 25km short
[11:47] <SpeedEvil> :)
[11:47] <TimZaman> *very* strong signal
[11:47] <SpeedEvil> TimZaman: Is it a nice day for a road trip?
[11:47] <TimZaman> SpeedEvil: Yes
[11:47] <_Hix> right - I'm off somewhere higher up
[11:48] <Upu> should have a phone tracker going TimZaman
[11:48] <SpeedEvil> :)
[11:48] <Upu> you got an Andoid ?
[11:48] <_Hix> TimZaman, that IS a roadtrip
[11:48] <TimZaman> :)
[11:48] <_Hix> Upu, android? Is there an app?
[11:48] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:chase_car_trackers
[11:48] <TimZaman> iOS
[11:49] <Upu> one for that but needs to be jail broken
[11:49] <cuddykid> forgot there was one for iphone
[11:49] <cuddykid> I'm jailbroken too - will check it out
[11:50] <TimZaman> signal starting to drift suddenly
[11:50] <TimZaman> never mind
[11:50] <Darkside> not very far
[11:50] <_Hix> kewl
[11:51] <cuddykid> ahh - Maastricht - that rings a bell from lectures :P
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[11:54] <Upu> signal faded ?
[11:55] <LazyL-M0LEP> Still steady here...
[11:55] <Upu> faded away from here
[11:55] <fsphil-laptop> yea me too .... :)
[11:55] <TimZaman> maastricht?
[11:55] <TimZaman> why?
[11:57] <Upu> back again
[11:58] <cuddykid> TimZaman: economics - maastricht treaty
[11:59] <cuddykid> euro rubbish
[11:59] <cuddykid> :P
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[11:59] <fsphil-laptop> the shift is 425hz isn't it?
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[12:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 410 last reported
[12:00] <cuddykid> why has the ascent rate shot up?!
[12:00] <Upu> Working on 410 here
[12:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> not seeing it here yet
[12:01] <fsphil-laptop> signal I'm seeing is definitely not the payload
[12:01] <fsphil-laptop> it's shift is about 440 hz
[12:01] <fsphil-laptop> -'
[12:01] <fsphil-laptop> would need some extraordinary propagation though, it's well below my horizon :)
[12:02] <fsphil-laptop> and moving away
[12:02] <griffonbot> Received email: Adrian Hicks "Re: [UKHAS] Project Aether Launches (CU Spaceflight)"
[12:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon my dl-fldigi been running for a long time now, but im still not on the map, why is that?
[12:04] <gonzo_> hearing telem now, but too weak
[12:05] <gonzo_> dial = .654.400
[12:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> going for a quick launch
[12:05] <number10_2E0DBR> OZ1SKY_Brian: check dl client is online - and then maybe refresh map
[12:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> number10_2E0DBR it is running
[12:06] <fsphil-laptop> restart it
[12:06] <fsphil-laptop> it only uploads when it starts, and then every 30 minutes or so
[12:06] <griffonbot> Received email: Priyesh Patel "[UKHAS] Apex III Launch 1 Announcement"
[12:06] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY : ZZ,OZ1SKY,2012-02-26 11:55:45,56.267324,10.308769,ICOM IC-910H,COMET GP-9, SP-7000 PREAMP,r115,PD4TA
[12:06] <jcoxon> ooooo is there a comma in hte description of your radio?
[12:07] <fsphil-laptop> arg,, what's with all the weekday launches :)
[12:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes is that a problem?
[12:07] <fsphil-laptop> ah ha
[12:07] <jcoxon> yeah
[12:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok i see
[12:07] <jcoxon> it means that hte parsing won't work
[12:07] <fsphil-laptop> we still not escaping that string? :)
[12:08] <jcoxon> once you've fixed that restart dl-fldigi and it'll update hte map
[12:08] <priyesh> fsphil-laptop: hehe - sorry. but the predictions on our chosen weekend were bad :(
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[12:09] <griffonbot> Received email: Jon Sowman "Re: [UKHAS] Project Aether Launches (CU Spaceflight)"
[12:09] <fsphil-laptop> I'll be having a go anyway
[12:09] <fsphil-laptop> btw, does your payload transmit \n for the newline? or \r\n or \n\r .. or just \r?
[12:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> restarted
[12:09] <fsphil-laptop> OZ1SKY_Brian, you're there now
[12:09] <gonzo_> ditto, oh well
[12:10] <priyesh> fsphil-laptop: atm it's \r\n - but i saw the discussion the other day - would you like me to change it to just \n
[12:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fsphil not on my map, just reloaded the page
[12:10] <fsphil-laptop> please, if it's no problem
[12:10] <priyesh> fsphil-laptop: not at all - what was the reasoning behind it?
[12:11] <priyesh> easier for habitat?
[12:11] <fsphil-laptop> yea, the habitat parser was expecting \n -- it thought the \r was part of the checksum
[12:11] <TimZaman> we are back from a short stop
[12:11] <priyesh> fsphil-laptop: got it - i'll do that later today
[12:12] <fsphil-laptop> OZ1SKY_Brian, hmm.. yea. I seen the data being uploaded
[12:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fsphil-laptop you see me on your map?
[12:13] <fsphil-laptop> my local map
[12:13] <fsphil-laptop> not sure why spacenear isn't showing it
[12:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fsphil-laptop ok
[12:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> is the "+" a problem =
[12:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> '?
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[12:14] <fsphil-laptop> possibly
[12:14] <fsphil-laptop> try removing any non-alphanumeric character
[12:14] <fsphil-laptop> ' and " was a problem in the past
[12:14] <TimZaman> why is it suddenly going fast in vertical direciton?
[12:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok
[12:15] <fsphil-laptop> wondering that myself TimZaman
[12:15] <fsphil-laptop> less drag on the balloon maybe
[12:17] <TimZaman> hmm
[12:17] <griffonbot> @onlineradio_fr: RT @jamescoxon: PD4TA in the air 434.650Mhz on http://t.co/pAOZOoep #ukhas @f6agv [http://twitter.com/onlineradio_fr/status/173743471729971200]
[12:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fsphil-laptop removed the + and now its there
[12:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> going for a quick launch, back soon
[12:23] <Dutch-Mill> Hi All must leave now Tim & Costyn goodluck.... it's a woodland landing area
[12:23] <fsphil-laptop> if it bursts :)
[12:23] <fsphil-laptop> cya Dutch-Mill!
[12:24] <Dutch-Mill> Y' cya
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[12:25] <priyesh> is the temp sensor on board the payload okay?
[12:26] <Darkside> looks like it, ehy?
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[12:26] <priyesh> yeah
[12:26] <priyesh> bit warm up there!
[12:27] <Darkside> tim has 'uncontrolled nichrome wire' in his payload
[12:27] <TimZaman> hahaha
[12:27] <priyesh> ah
[12:27] <priyesh> :P
[12:27] <_Hix> :D
[12:27] <_Hix> you didnt launch the hairdryer then TimZaman
[12:27] <number10_2E0DBR> hohoho
[12:28] <_Hix> what range have you got now number10_2E0DBR
[12:29] <number10_2E0DBR> no idea _Hix I suppose I could check
[12:30] <ha7-601> I suppose the blue circle on the tracker map is the radio horizont. What is the green circle?
[12:30] <Darkside> 5 degree horizon
[12:30] <fsphil-laptop> inside that, the payload is above 5 degrees
[12:32] <fsphil-laptop> not long till germany
[12:32] <number10_2E0DBR> 390 km i think _Hix
[12:32] <fsphil-laptop> Upu decoding at 610km!
[12:32] <fsphil-laptop> git
[12:32] <Darkside> its 266km from teh receiver i'm using
[12:32] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[12:32] <_Hix> if tims wire keeps going there'll have to be a 10 degree celsius circle :)
[12:33] <TimZaman> :)
[12:33] <_Hix> number10_2E0DBR, tohught it would have been more - deceiving good effort upu
[12:33] <TimZaman> did i note that my groundplane size is actually 12cm wide?
[12:33] <number10_2E0DBR> well I may have made a mistake
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[12:34] Action: LazyL-M0LEP has to go out, so will leave tracker to run un-attended.
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[12:34] <G0DJA> Still nothing heard whilst I took Megan home
[12:36] <_Hix> number10_2E0DBR, looks about right http://www.daftlogic.com/projects-google-maps-distance-calculator.htm
[12:37] <G0DJA> Strange as I'm 'in the circle'
[12:37] <fsphil-laptop> obstruction near the horizon perhaps G0DJA
[12:37] <G0DJA> Cross polarisation wont help
[12:37] <fsphil-laptop> ah ye
[12:37] <fsphil-laptop> +s
[12:38] <G0DJA> Still on 434.653?
[12:38] <fsphil-laptop> 434.654 from last reports
[12:39] <G0DJA> I've been tuning up and down a bit anyway
[12:40] <Upu> 621.4km here
[12:40] <G0DJA> Will have to get the vertical ready before the next one
[12:40] <Upu> 434.654.37
[12:40] <number10_2E0DBR> thats that mansion on the hill Upu ;)
[12:40] <Upu> mansion lol
[12:41] <Upu> afk food
[12:41] <number10_2E0DBR> you just wait untill I swapped my 75ohm cable for 50 - I'm gonna get an extra 10meters
[12:41] <Upu> lol
[12:41] <G0DJA> Dont think there's alot between mee and it in that direction
[12:41] <G0DJA> me
[12:42] <_Hix> see you later guys
[12:42] <number10_2E0DBR> cu
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[12:42] <G0DJA> Bye
[12:43] <TimZaman> We are at Maastricht right now
[12:43] <TimZaman> going in the direciton of Heerlen on the A79
[12:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> nice signal here now
[12:47] <fsphil-laptop> ah cool
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[12:49] <Thijs> There is nice MacDonalds along the A4 you're going to get on in a moment, near Eschweiler.
[12:50] <TimZaman> who is Thijs
[12:50] <Thijs> Een keer raden vriend ;-)
[12:51] <TimZaman> leegwasser?
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[12:51] <Thijs> Mathijs de Wit, ja... But change the prediction. It is still set at a 30km burst rate.
[12:52] <TimZaman> oooh :)
[12:52] <TimZaman> we are now near Heerlen
[12:52] <TimZaman> we will wait at the border if it bursts
[12:53] <TimZaman> if it will float longer van 15m we will head home
[12:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> TimZaman fine signal in Denmark now
[12:53] <TimZaman> Thijs: i guess itll burst around 36-37
[12:55] <Thijs> I think it's going to touch 40 ;-)
[12:55] <chris_99> are you guys picking up this signal in the UK?
[12:55] Action: SpeedEvil bets of float at 35km
[12:55] <cuddykid> it looks to be a floater
[12:56] <cuddykid> Upu is chris_99
[12:56] <chris_99> ooh cool :)
[12:56] <cuddykid> altitude graph is levelling off
[12:56] <cuddykid> it's off to the land of jcoxon's floater :P
[12:57] <TimZaman> OZ1SKY_Brian: how far are you?
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[13:00] <G0DJA> 33km up and not a peep heard here
[13:00] <G0DJA> It is USB isn't it?
[13:00] <G0DJA> Mind you, would have noticed something even if FM
[13:00] <cuddykid> we should have a wager on the float/not float, burst/float alt etc lol
[13:01] <daveake> wee, got it :)
[13:01] <daveake> I knew I'd be able to go out, buy a suite and a desk, and still come back before it burst :)
[13:02] <fsphil-laptop> G0DJA, USB but you may have to tune around a bit
[13:02] <G0DJA> I have been doing - and swinging beam about
[13:02] <cuddykid> haha daveake
[13:02] <cuddykid> it looks to be a possible floater
[13:02] <cuddykid> 0.9ms
[13:03] <cuddykid> eek
[13:03] <daveake> -5db s/n here with short yagi taped to window. No time to get the mast up
[13:03] <cuddykid> 0.6ms
[13:04] <cuddykid> bang on 34km float?!
[13:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> TimZaman im near Arhus in Denmark, JO56DG
[13:05] <Darkside> cuddykid: 34km is nothing
[13:05] <daveake> I've been to Arhus a few times - have a customer up there
[13:05] <Upu> 662.6km
[13:05] <daveake> 569.8km for me. My best so far
[13:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> upu how do you see that, my dl-fldigi stays on 633.96km
[13:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ?
[13:06] <Upu> its the distance at the top next to bearing
[13:06] <Upu> if you decode successfully it should update
[13:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> its been sitting at 6339.6 all the time
[13:06] <Darkside> sounds like oyu havent got your location set correctly
[13:06] <Upu> hmm
[13:07] <Upu> dl-fldigi people ?
[13:07] <Upu> back in a sec
[13:07] <G0DJA> daveake where abouts are you?
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[13:07] <daveake> Near Newbury in West Berks
[13:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Darkside it should be correct, im listed correct on the map
[13:07] <G0DJA> OK - a fair way south of me
[13:07] <natrium42> nice, above cologne
[13:07] <daveake> Nice city
[13:08] <Darkside> does it smell?
[13:08] <G0DJA> Must be the cross polarisation and Upu having a better location than I do :-)
[13:08] <signaleleven> do they have some kind of cutoff mechanism?
[13:08] <_Hix-Android> I'm going for a lake lausanne splashdown
[13:08] <number10_2E0DBR> my fldigi distance also showing something rediculous
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[13:08] <fsphil-laptop> daveake, you've beat my record :)
[13:08] <Darkside> signaleleven: no cutdown
[13:08] <daveake> woohoo
[13:08] <signaleleven> we were crazy scared of getting a floater on Strastospera-2 so we added one...
[13:08] <signaleleven> *stratospera
[13:08] <daveake> fsphil-laptop Everyone's beat your record ;)
[13:08] <fsphil-laptop> I know!
[13:08] <G0DJA> _Hix-Android like someone with a high velocity riffle? ;-)
[13:09] <Darkside> signaleleven: if you don't screw up the filling then you shouldn't *need* a cutdown
[13:09] <G0DJA> rifle - even
[13:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> im at 405hz shift right now
[13:09] <fsphil-laptop> I shall setup a giant yagi on the mountain!
[13:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> just went up 1 s.unit
[13:09] <daveake> I've ordered a bigger yagi and some RG213
[13:09] <daveake> and a pre-amp :)
[13:09] <cuddykid> floating
[13:09] <daveake> (cheap £18 kit pre-amp)
[13:09] <cuddykid> ?
[13:09] <Darkside> here we go
[13:09] <cuddykid> -0.1ms
[13:10] <daveake> floaty float float
[13:10] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[13:10] <cuddykid> :P
[13:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu i just did a "autoconfigure" and now i get the distance
[13:10] <fsphil-laptop> mine floated for a few seconds before burse
[13:10] <fsphil-laptop> burst
[13:10] <daveake> nah
[13:10] <fsphil-laptop> but then it wasn't the hoyweyererfloatalot balloons
[13:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 631.2km now
[13:10] <G0DJA> I keep rechecking the dial display in case I made a simple mistake!
[13:10] <_Hix-Android> Good effort
[13:11] <daveake> The dial on my FT790R is 8kHz out
[13:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> centered on 1000hz at 434.654.4 here
[13:11] <fsphil-laptop> Upu didn't hear anything from my launch at all, despite being the nearest decoder
[13:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> drifting slowly down in freq
[13:12] <_Hix-Android> Wouldn't the lakes get in the way for that
[13:12] <_Hix-Android> Fsphil
[13:12] <daveake> Is a chase car somewhere near?
[13:12] <fsphil-laptop> we identified the mountain - can't remember what it was called now
[13:13] <signaleleven> http://spacenear.us/tracker/ what's the blue circle on the tracker if you select the balloon? The green should be the radio footprint, but the blue?
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[13:13] <Darkside> blue is radio horizon
[13:13] <Darkside> green is where its 5 degrees above the horizon
[13:13] <daveake> signal has gone shit here
[13:13] <fsphil-laptop> tbh the green circle doesn't really serve any purpose
[13:13] <cuddykid> the ascent rate is fluctuating quite a bit
[13:14] <fsphil-laptop> pre-burst?
[13:14] <signaleleven> thanks daveake
[13:14] <signaleleven> *Darks
[13:14] <fsphil-laptop> mine did that just before it popped
[13:14] <signaleleven> damn, haven't used IRC in ages :D
[13:14] <signaleleven> thanks Darkside
[13:14] <daveake> I wondered what I'd done :D
[13:14] <signaleleven> :)
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[13:16] <Graham_G3VZV> uum decoding now I have switched to LSB
[13:16] <Darkside> yeah
[13:16] <fsphil-laptop> yea the signal is backwards
[13:16] <Darkside> its reversed
[13:17] <Upu> retuned to 434.653.24
[13:17] <Upu> did you sort the distance out OZ1SKY_Brian ?
[13:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes i just did a "autoconfigure" and now i get the distance
[13:18] <Upu> what are you on ?
[13:18] <Randomskk> anyone here used SDIO to talk to an SD card?
[13:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 620.9 now
[13:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> getting closer
[13:18] <Darkside> Randomskk: SDIO?
[13:18] <Darkside> i've done SPI to a SD card from an AVR...
[13:18] <Upu> going away from me
[13:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu 5-6snr
[13:19] <Upu> -2
[13:19] <Randomskk> Darkside: SDIO's the normal/fast/not-SPI mode
[13:19] <Darkside> ahh
[13:19] <Darkside> no idea
[13:20] <SpeedEvil> Err - no
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[13:20] <SpeedEvil> SDIO is SD - input/output
[13:20] <Randomskk> well
[13:20] <Randomskk> it's another mode
[13:20] <Randomskk> yes yes
[13:20] <Upu> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=327faa527a32d922bdffddf231d9e185b9435245
[13:20] Nick change: benoxley -> Matt_soton
[13:20] <Upu> if it continues to float
[13:20] <SpeedEvil> It is the specification for non-memory cards.
[13:20] <Randomskk> agreed technically
[13:20] Nick change: Matt_soton_ -> benoxley
[13:21] <daveake> 599.7km, but struggling to get another packet
[13:21] <ha7-601> You'll need a visa based on that prediction
[13:21] <Randomskk> nevertheless it's the mode most things use to talk to SD memory cards, not least because it's faster
[13:21] <SpeedEvil> daveake: Good going!
[13:21] Nick change: benoxley -> MattB
[13:22] Nick change: Matt_soton -> benoxley
[13:22] <fsphil-laptop> what range now Upu?
[13:22] <Upu> Anyone got any trackers in poland time to start making calls
[13:22] <Upu> tell you in a min fsphil
[13:23] <G0DJA> BY the way - if anyone gets an RX only preamp watch out. When you start FL-Digi it keys the TX and that brief burst can blow up some preamps...
[13:23] <G0DJA> I found that out the hard way...
[13:23] <fsphil-laptop> ooch
[13:23] <Upu> ouhc
[13:23] <Darkside> G0DJA: most people here dont have tx setup
[13:23] <fsphil-laptop> I wish the 817 had an option to disable TX totally
[13:23] <Upu> ding 700.3km
[13:23] <_Hix-Android> Whoa
[13:24] <G0DJA> I wish the TS2000 had the same...
[13:24] <_Hix-Android> Good going Upu
[13:24] <SpeedEvil> G0DJA: :/
[13:24] <priyesh> Upu: which baud rate is that?
[13:24] <Upu> 50
[13:24] <SpeedEvil> Upu: awesome!
[13:24] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Getting stronger, 9 snr now
[13:24] <fsphil-laptop> it's that radio voodoo again. he's a witch! burn him!
[13:24] <Upu> lol
[13:24] <Upu> you have proper antennas though OZ1SKY_Brian I just have a pretend one
[13:25] <Upu> its moving quite quick actually
[13:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lol
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[13:25] <Upu> Give me another 2 months and I'll have a proper setup
[13:25] <TimZaman> I CRY
[13:25] <number10_2E0DBR> bigger house on bigger hill?
[13:25] <G0DJA> I might think of investing in a receiver with no TX as well...
[13:25] <Upu> Tim
[13:25] <Upu> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=327faa527a32d922bdffddf231d9e185b9435245
[13:25] <futurity> fingers crossed its a floater
[13:25] <_Hix-Android> Hope you've got an overnight bag with you timZaman
[13:26] <TimZaman> we b headin back'
[13:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu hope to upgrade mine too, found a new place to live, antenna going to be 45 higher asl
[13:26] <Upu> if you have HAM friends in .cz, sk, Poland you need to make some calls
[13:26] <Darkside> TimZaman: buy a fish-scale on the way back
[13:26] <Upu> that'll make a difference
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[13:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 45m that is
[13:26] <Upu> why is the gap between transmissions changing ?
[13:26] <fsphil-laptop> about 80m asl here
[13:27] <fsphil-laptop> battery voltage looks quite low
[13:27] <fsphil-laptop> 4.163v?
[13:27] <fsphil-laptop> I don't remember what it started at
[13:27] <_Hix-Android> Think it was 4.3
[13:27] <Upu> ok starting to loose it now
[13:27] <janand> What is pos now?
[13:28] <Darkside> janand: check the tracker
[13:28] <_Hix-Android> It was 4.2 about an hour ago
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[13:28] <Upu> 50.9912,7.6252 but check http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[13:28] <G0DJA> Thinking about it! I have a 432 to 28MHz transverter knocking about somewhere - could connect that up to the Perseus...
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[13:29] <ha7-601> What is the predicted battery endurance? Any chance it will actually float 400km further east?
[13:29] <fsphil-laptop> there's a good chance
[13:30] <Darkside> problem is no receivers around that way
[13:30] <Darkside> none that we know anyway
[13:30] <Upu> hang on
[13:30] <Upu> who was the chap on from .cz yesterday ?
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[13:31] <Upu> whoami
[13:31] Nick change: benoxley -> Matt_soton
[13:32] <G0DJA> Off to the shop to get something for diner - Good luck finding it!
[13:32] Nick change: andrew_apex -> benoxley
[13:32] <fsphil-laptop> Upu, u r huuman
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[13:32] <Upu> chortle
[13:32] <Upu> no whoami was someone from .cz asking about balloons
[13:32] <Upu> he has a radio as he was decoding
[13:33] Nick change: Matt_soton -> benoxley
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[13:33] <Upu> 722km btw
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[13:33] <RocketBoy> oh dear - way off the intended 8m/sec ascent rate - anyone know how that happened?
[13:33] <Upu> haha
[13:33] <Darkside> he didn't measure the lift
[13:33] <Upu> Tim happened
[13:34] <cuddykid> lol
[13:34] <_Hix-Android> He definitely lives up to his rep
[13:34] <Darkside> Upu: thats a way of putting it
[13:34] <RocketBoy> I make the ascent rate 3.2m/sec - well into float territory for a H1600
[13:34] <cuddykid> this is brilliant
[13:35] <Darkside> oh well, it'll teach him to be more careful with his launches
[13:35] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "[UKHAS] "whoami" Czech HABer"
[13:36] Nick change: MattB -> Matt_soton
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[13:36] <cuddykid> it's a goner
[13:37] <cuddykid> this will be good to see just how far Upu can decode
[13:37] <Upu> not much further
[13:37] <Upu> he says
[13:37] <Upu> 732km
[13:37] <RocketBoy> its up to the UV now
[13:37] <fsphil-laptop> ah ha!
[13:38] <daveake> No more decodes from me now
[13:38] <Upu> another 20km and thats my record
[13:38] <Upu> but I don't think I'm going to get much more out of it on the colinear, if I had a Yagi up there different story
[13:38] <_Hix-Android> Cuddykid I think its just bouncing back up a touch now
[13:39] <cuddykid> Upu: do you have a yagi that you could hoist up?
[13:39] <Upu> Yes but I don't have a ladder long enough to get to the antenna
[13:40] <cuddykid> oh :(
[13:40] <chris_99> wow, how big is this antenna you're using?
[13:40] <Upu> don't worry I'll have a proper Yagi up there in the next month or two
[13:40] <Upu> 1.8 meter colinear
[13:40] <Upu> its nothing special at all
[13:40] <cuddykid> nice
[13:41] <daveake> Mine's bigger :p but mine's not up :(
[13:41] <Upu> http://www.f9ft.com/pdf/220319e.pdf
[13:41] <Upu> thats going up soon
[13:41] <cuddykid> it's certainly nice and toasty in there
[13:41] <cuddykid> oh wow Upu
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[13:41] <daveake> nice
[13:41] <cuddykid> that will work wonders
[13:42] <Upu> on an AZ/EL
[13:42] <Upu> ok my record is 756.5km
[13:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lost inet
[13:42] <Graham_G3VZV> just decoding with a 6 foot colinear up a 70 foot tree with 100 fott of coax and no masthead preamp at 617km
[13:42] <Upu> current 743.2km
[13:42] <daveake> Close :)
[13:42] <Upu> I think the lack of coax I have helps alot
[13:43] <daveake> Yep
[13:43] <Upu> its only 10meter run of RG213
[13:43] <daveake> The stuff I used Friday had ~9db loss
[13:43] <Upu> all down hill too so the electrons go quicker :)
[13:43] <daveake> :)
[13:43] <_Hix-Android> :D
[13:43] <daveake> Of course it's the opposite if you're transmitting ...
[13:43] <Upu> yup
[13:44] <daveake> I've ordered one of these - http://www.moonraker.eu/Amateur-Radio/Beam-and-Yagi-Antennas/ZL-Special-Yagi-Antenna/ZL12-70-70cm-12-ELEMENT-SPECIAL-YAGI-ANTENNA
[13:44] <RocketBoy> thats the one i use
[13:44] <RocketBoy> it works well
[13:45] <Darkside> doesn't anyone make their own yagi's anymore?
[13:45] <Upu> god no
[13:45] <Darkside> yagis*
[13:45] <Darkside> pff
[13:45] <fsphil-laptop> I do, they just don't work
[13:45] <Upu> know your limits
[13:45] <daveake> I have their shorter one and that's been great
[13:45] <Darkside> i helped my dad make dual 70cm yagis over christma
[13:45] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/Jn80j.png
[13:45] <Laurenceb_> approaching finished...
[13:45] <fsphil-laptop> lunch time!
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[13:45] <Upu> I have a Diamond I use for mobile tracking but its a bit too big I need a shorter one like Steve's go
[13:45] <Laurenceb_> not going to be ready for a few days :/
[13:46] <Upu> go=got
[13:46] <daveake> Yeah this is the shorter one - http://www.moonraker.eu/Amateur-Radio/Beam-and-Yagi-Antennas/ZL-Special-Yagi-Antenna/ZL7-70-70cm-7-ELEMENT-SPECIAL-YAGI-ANTENNA
[13:46] <cuddykid> Laurenceb_: this is when we need a listening station on top of the electronics building!
[13:46] <_Hix-Android> Darkside, I'm going to n,next weekend
[13:46] <daveake> Great for taking in the chase car as it's not too cumbersome
[13:47] <Laurenceb_> heh it might be useful
[13:47] <Upu> http://www.radioworld.co.uk/catalog/a430s10r_diamond_430-440mhz_70cm_10_el_yagi-p-3962.html?osCsid=e9010f666138e20bfadc3311f4c61a6e
[13:47] <Upu> thats the one I have
[13:47] <TimZaman> we're heading back!
[13:47] <_Hix-Android> For less than 15 beer vouchers for a 1m yagi
[13:47] <Upu> just a fraction too big
[13:47] <Upu> drive safe TimZaman
[13:47] <Darkside> we use 5 element yagis in our chase cars
[13:47] <Darkside> for hand-held use and on the beam mounts
[13:48] <_Hix-Android> Gonna make a small one too and a moxton
[13:49] <_Hix-Android> 1/4" Ali bar works out 45p metre
[13:50] <Upu> ding thats my previous distance exceeded 757.3km
[13:50] <daveake> :)
[13:50] <Upu> Coming for you OZ1SKY_Brian
[13:50] <daveake> lol
[13:50] <RocketBoy> there are several yagi designs about if you want to make one
[13:50] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu yeah im not too happy about thatm LOL
[13:50] <Upu> 775.6 km or bust
[13:50] <_Hix-Android> I put a link to the design calculator to the tracking intro on wiki
[13:50] <RocketBoy> or use some of the yagi modelinf softwarre
[13:51] <RocketBoy> and come up with your own design
[13:51] <RocketBoy> nice float TimZ!
[13:51] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu its only getting closer here
[13:52] <Darkside> RocketBoy: this payload has lots of cameras and stuff on it, it wasn't meant to float
[13:52] <_Hix-Android> Don't think he was planning on float. If planning is appropriate :p
[13:52] <Darkside> he planned on 8m/s ascent, and got 2m/s
[13:52] <Upu> Free GoPro to anyone who fancies a drive
[13:52] <cuddykid> hahahaha
[13:53] <_Hix-Android> That's a wounder if there's lots of kit gone
[13:53] <cuddykid> did he run out of helium?
[13:53] <Darkside> free bushfire-starter too when it lands
[13:53] <_Hix-Android> Haha
[13:53] <TimZaman> RocketBoy: thanks, i was aiming for that!
[13:53] <Darkside> with his uncontrolled nichrome wire
[13:53] <Upu> 10km more OZ1SKY_Brian
[13:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> have anyone ever got a flooter back ?
[13:53] <fsphil-laptop> what are you at Upu?
[13:53] <cuddykid> TimZaman: does it have a backup sms tracker on?
[13:53] <Darkside> OZ1SKY_Brian: yeah
[13:53] <Upu> 765.3
[13:53] <Darkside> US guys have done it
[13:53] <fsphil-laptop> wow
[13:53] <fsphil-laptop> congrats
[13:53] <fsphil-laptop> brb again
[13:54] <Darkside> they had one that crossed the US and they had some locals get it
[13:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu very nice, time to reclaim the title :-)
[13:54] <TimZaman> Upu indeed!
[13:54] <cuddykid> if it has a backup sms tracker on then it should be able to be pin pointed when it lands - then just need to get there!
[13:54] <_Hix-Android> Phew
[13:54] <Upu> you'll probably get a chance in a few hours OZ1SKY_Brian :)
[13:54] <Darkside> cuddykid: not going to help if it cant get onto a phone network because its in the middle of russia
[13:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> upu only if it keeps going
[13:54] <Upu> loosing it
[13:55] <cuddykid> Darkside: yup, but there's a chance there might be something
[13:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> upu try to adjust the volume and shift, im at 405hz now, everything helps
[13:55] <Upu> I think thats me done
[13:55] <Darkside> but does the sim card in it support roaming
[13:55] <daveake> Well done Upu :)
[13:55] <Darkside> TimZaman: any idea if the sim card will work across europe?
[13:56] <TimZaman> Darkside: it does
[13:56] <Upu> 767.8
[13:56] <daveake> :D
[13:56] <cuddykid> good stuff - hopefully it can be retreived!
[13:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu get that beam up and you´ll break the record for sure
[13:56] <cuddykid> just need to phone up a local school or company etc and explain :P
[13:56] <number10_2E0DBR> 505.3 :(
[13:57] <daveake> number10_2E0DBR even I beat that!
[13:57] <cuddykid> sterling work Upu
[13:57] <Upu> Still getting partials
[13:58] <number10_2E0DBR> what can I say - I have excused - only a scanner - a bent bit of 1/4 wave and several meters of pink 75ohm
[13:58] <Upu> pink!
[13:58] <number10_2E0DBR> excuses
[13:58] <number10_2E0DBR> yes
[13:59] <number10_2E0DBR> pimkgot it from work, and someone has even got a lebel on it sying "pink coax" :)
[13:59] <number10_2E0DBR> correction "bright pink coax"
[14:00] <number10_2E0DBR> I wasnt concerned about cable loss and impedance matching.... it was a fasion statement
[14:00] <Upu> lol
[14:01] <Upu> your record stands for another day OZ1SKY_Brian
[14:01] <Upu> just...
[14:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thanks :-)
[14:01] <number10_2E0DBR> what distance did you get daveake ?
[14:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> upu how far from mine?
[14:01] <Upu> I can still see the carriers so don't know how much difference a Yagi would make
[14:01] <Upu> err sec
[14:02] <Upu> 8km
[14:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yeah thats pretty damn close
[14:02] <TimZaman> Upu did you get the record :D?
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[14:03] <jcoxon> Update?
[14:03] <Upu> no TimZaman Brian keeps it by a whisker :)
[14:03] <TimZaman> floaterboater
[14:03] <Darkside> jcoxon: floaty float float
[14:03] <Upu> still up there
[14:03] <jcoxon> Alt?
[14:03] <TimZaman> 35km
[14:03] <Upu> 34795
[14:03] <TimZaman> 34800-35000
[14:03] <Darkside> Upu: you may want to check what globaltuners are available now
[14:03] <jcoxon> Location?
[14:03] <Upu> you have my login :)
[14:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> upu can you see how far up apex was when i lost it?
[14:03] <Upu> Germany
[14:03] <Darkside> Upu: its 12:30am here
[14:03] <Darkside> i'm going to bed
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[14:04] <Upu> you were the last person to receive
[14:04] <Upu> ok thx DanielRichman
[14:04] <Upu> err
[14:04] <Upu> Darkside
[14:04] <Upu> sorry
[14:04] <TimZaman> gnight darkside thanks for trackgin!
[14:04] <number10_2E0DBR> nn Darkside
[14:05] <Darkside> no probs TimZaman - go buy a scale
[14:05] <Darkside> so you can measure the lift on your balloons
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[14:06] <_Hix-Android> Upu this globaltuners, you can create a free account. Does this give you access to remote tuners then?
[14:06] <Upu> Yes
[14:06] <Darkside> not immediately _Hix-Android
[14:06] <Darkside> you cant control them for a while
[14:07] <TimZaman> Darkside: i had bought a scale specifically for this, but someomne made it go away
[14:07] <Darkside> TimZaman: then buy another one
[14:07] <TimZaman> Darkside: no this was my last launch
[14:08] <Darkside> oh you aren't doing any more?
[14:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu apex was at 36304 when i got my record, so that makes a difference too
[14:08] <Upu> oh
[14:08] <Upu> can hear it on Dokkum
[14:08] <Upu> need to find out how to fix the audio
[14:09] <Darkside> i used Virtual Audio cable
[14:09] <Darkside> though i had the stream from dokkum running in vlc
[14:09] <Darkside> you choose 'Medium Qualit (windows media player)' and a little streaming thing pops up below
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[14:10] <Darkside> so you inspect that element, and you can find the stream url, which you can open in VLC
[14:10] <Darkside> and in VLC you can make it play the audio into a Virtual Audio cable (if you have that installed)
[14:10] <Upu> hows this VAC thing work then
[14:10] <_Hix-Android> Can you use audio out into Mic in
[14:10] <Darkside> it provices aloopback audio device
[14:11] <Darkside> yeah, or you make a hardwaer loopback
[14:11] <Darkside> which is probably going to be easier
[14:12] <Upu> hmm not happy
[14:12] <Darkside> Upu: just use an audio cable from speaker socket to mic socker
[14:12] <Darkside> that'll work for the moment
[14:12] <Upu> k trying to work it out
[14:13] <Darkside> fsphil-laptop: you managed to get this working didnt you?
[14:13] <Upu> no I used something else but it kept blue screening my machine
[14:14] <_Hix-Android> That onboard temp is going to do the battery a big favour
[14:14] <Upu> can't seem to get the audio to come through
[14:14] <Upu> it appears to be working
[14:14] <Upu> in put = USB headphone
[14:14] <Upu> waveout = Virtual Audio
[14:14] <cuddykid> yeah - incredibly warm _Hix-Android !
[14:14] <Upu> but nothing coming through on dl-flgdigi
[14:14] <Darkside> Upu: uhh
[14:14] <fsphil-laptop> Darkside, just back -- audio loopback?
[14:14] <Darkside> yeah upu is having problems
[14:14] <G0DJA> Be careful when doing direct speaker to mic connections - suggest an isolation transformer and external vol control as well
[14:14] <Upu> OZ1SKY_Brian : <DanielRichman> $$ALPHA,1158,23:41:10,5203.2510,01949.7052,36304,05,-57.69,-52.31,3.40*9B5C uploaded by OZ1SKY on 2011/10/22 at 23:42:02 UTC
[14:15] <fsphil-laptop> I got it working on Linux
[14:15] <Darkside> Upu: the globaltuners page is going to use your defaulyt audio device for output
[14:15] <_Hix-Android> Upu can't you use audio out to Mic in with your receiver cabl3
[14:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu thanks
[14:15] <Darkside> fsphil-laptop: can you hop on the dokkum receiver while upu gets his working
[14:15] <fsphil-laptop> yea one sec
[14:16] <Darkside> then you guys need to fgind other receivers further into europe
[14:16] <juxta_> if not I can do it for a while
[14:16] <Upu> cheers
[14:16] <Darkside> anyway i really need to sleep...
[14:16] <Darkside> so nn all
[14:16] <Darkside> good luck
[14:16] <Upu> nn thx
[14:17] <_Hix-Android> Night
[14:17] <cuddykid> guys - that cydia rep doesn't work
[14:17] <cuddykid> "not found"
[14:17] <pe2g> I posted an alert on a German radiosonde monitoring forum, but so far no response. I'm afraid nobody is prepared to run DL-FLdigi..
[14:19] <Upu> cuddykid getting it fixed
[14:19] <number10_2E0DBR> no lunar when you need him
[14:19] <Graham_G3VZV> signal well down here in MK but still detectable
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[14:20] <fsphil-laptop> decoding
[14:20] <juxta_> I can hear it there too
[14:20] <Rob_M0DTS> cool, another floater! was this planned?
[14:21] <fsphil-laptop> Rob_M0DTS, nope :)
[14:21] <_Hix-Android> Very not so
[14:21] <juxta_> Rob_M0DTS: I dont think so
[14:21] <fsphil-laptop> It's gone a bit Tim
[14:21] <TimZaman> ;-
[14:21] <TimZaman> WHAT IS?
[14:21] <Rob_M0DTS> ok.. same float type balloon again?
[14:21] <TimZaman> YEAH PLANNED FLOATER
[14:21] <TimZaman> 1600G HWOYEE
[14:21] <Rob_M0DTS> ah ok#
[14:21] <fsphil-laptop> I'm struggling to decode on global tuners
[14:21] <TimZaman> PE2G THANKS
[14:22] <TimZaman> fsphil-laptop: THANKS
[14:22] <juxta_> the speed isn't in the telemetry, but it's doing about 180km/h at the moment
[14:22] <Rob_M0DTS> need another local balloon at altitude to re-lay... interesting idea maybe?!
[14:22] <_Hix-Android> Thought it seemed to have sped up
[14:22] <fsphil-laptop> a little arm-based linux machine could probably relay it
[14:23] <Rob_M0DTS> that would be neat
[14:23] <fsphil-laptop> it's getting it to lock on and track the frequency as it drifts
[14:23] <fsphil-laptop> although it could be commanded from the ground
[14:23] <Rob_M0DTS> true
[14:24] <Rob_M0DTS> RFM22's have rx too?
[14:24] <Upu> yes
[14:24] <Rob_M0DTS> could be useful
[14:24] <juxta_> fsphil-laptop: what dial freq/mode do you have it on? I will try some other sites
[14:24] <fsphil-laptop> USB + Rv, 434.654-ish
[14:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> found one in hamburg that maybe can help out
[14:25] <juxta_> OZ1SKY_Brian: can you hear it there?
[14:26] <juxta_> i just tried the 2 Slovak sites without luck
[14:26] <Laurenceb_> copy in ireland
[14:26] <Laurenceb_> seriously?
[14:26] <fsphil-laptop> nah I'm on global tuners Laurenceb
[14:26] <Laurenceb_> ah
[14:26] <fsphil-laptop> not sure what position the radio is or I'd update that
[14:26] <TimZaman> THANKS FOR THE HELP EVERY1
[14:27] <_Hix-Android> Anyone know people in the forces in Germany? Might be able to tap in
[14:27] <TimZaman> i called the luftwaffe if they can take it down
[14:28] <fsphil-laptop> can anything but spy planes fly at 34km?
[14:28] <_Hix-Android> That would make some awesome footage on the go pro
[14:28] <fsphil-laptop> can even they fly that high?
[14:28] <number10_2E0DBR> thats OK TimZaman , it has provided us with some tracking entertainment
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[14:29] <TimZaman> fsphil no but they have missles
[14:29] <_Hix-Android> Air-air missile, could prove a costly solution
[14:29] <fsphil-laptop> UV laser
[14:29] <TimZaman> telekinesis have proved ineffective
[14:29] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[14:30] <fsphil-laptop> your tracker is working really well
[14:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> might have a tracking from CZ on soon
[14:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> trying to get his help now
[14:30] <TimZaman> top
[14:31] <fsphil-laptop> why did the + disappear when it went > 9 degrees
[14:31] <_Hix-Android> http://www.dxzone.com/cgi-bin/dir/jump2.cgi?ID=11391
[14:31] <fsphil-laptop> longitude
[14:31] <Upu> cuddykid
[14:31] <Upu> try repo now
[14:31] <cuddykid> will do, thanks Upu
[14:31] <_Hix-Android> German ham forum, can't do much as on phone and site not displaying properly
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[14:34] <cuddykid> Upu: working now, thanks
[14:34] <Upu> showing you fsphil but not me
[14:35] <fsphil-laptop> hehe, I'm about 1 string behind
[14:35] <Upu> you on Dokkum fsphil ?
[14:35] <fsphil-laptop> I am Upu
[14:35] <Upu> why can't I see you
[14:36] <fsphil-laptop> not with the flash client
[14:36] <Upu> ok
[14:36] <fsphil-laptop> I'm not able to tune it annoyingly
[14:36] <Upu> UPUGT : PD4TA,1480,14:35:18,51.1951,10.2112,34810,10,14,4144*4F09
[14:36] <Upu> NICKB : PD4TA,1482,14:35:57,51.1974,10.2385,34800,10,14,4137*7DB2
[14:36] <Upu> OZ1SKY : PD4TA,1482,14:35:57,51.1974,10.2385,34800,10,14,4137*7DB2
[14:36] <fsphil-laptop> the ajax client is very broken
[14:36] <Upu> 2 strings behoned :)
[14:37] <Upu> behind
[14:37] <Upu> thats why its not displaying
[14:37] <fsphil-laptop> do you know the coordinates of the dokkum receiver?
[14:37] <fsphil-laptop> I should update
[14:37] <Upu> yeah
[14:37] <Upu> 53.3285
[14:37] <Upu> 5.9740
[14:37] <Upu> ish
[14:38] <fsphil-laptop> better than what I was using
[14:38] <Upu> See VK5Qi on the map
[14:38] <Upu> ok I'll be back in 30 need to do some bits and bobs
[14:39] <fsphil-laptop> 380km from dokkum
[14:39] <Rob_M0DTS> i have posted spot on dx cluster with freq and spacenar link.
[14:39] <fsphil-laptop> ooh good idea
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[14:41] <number10_2E0DBR> probably another good screenshot Upu
[14:41] <fsphil-laptop> oh yes
[14:41] <_Hix-Android> Looks like a danish tracker is on it now.....
[14:42] <fsphil-laptop> that'll be OZ1SKY_Brian
[14:42] <fsphil-laptop> our floating balloon tracker specialist :)
[14:42] <_Hix-Android> Ahh
[14:42] <_Hix-Android> Bit limited with finding.stuff out as on phone.
[14:43] <fsphil-laptop> yea I can imagine
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[14:43] <fsphil-laptop> phones where not designed with irc and spacenear.us in mind
[14:43] <cuddykid> my iPhone doesn't really like spacenear
[14:43] <cuddykid> a lot of the time it crashes the browser
[14:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> We not got ROOT from CZ decoding
[14:44] <cuddykid> similar story with 1st gen iPad too - I guess it's the lack of ram
[14:44] <SpeedEvil> WTFBBQ. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/apples-cash-creates-dangerous-temptation-2012-02-24?dist=countdown - one hundred billion dollars!
[14:45] <cuddykid> yeah - it's absurd
[14:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> not=now
[14:45] <cuddykid> I guess they'll use some to keep buying up all the flash etc as they have been doing
[14:45] <fsphil-laptop> OZ1SKY_Brian, using dl-fldigi?
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[14:46] <_Hix-Android> Fsphil we need a lightweight html5 mobile system. Chat is ok but typing slow
[14:46] <cuddykid> html5 is brilliant
[14:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fsphil-laptop yes
[14:47] <fsphil-laptop> I did a remote rig control for my radio in html5
[14:47] <_Hix-Android> Cuddykid can you get FireFox mobile on ios? Spacenear works on that
[14:47] <cuddykid> urm, not sure - will have a look
[14:47] <_Hix-Android> Shite for most other stuff tho
[14:48] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fsphil-laptop he is uploading data as we speek
[14:48] <fsphil-laptop> I just spotted it coming up OZ1SKY_Brian, brilliant!
[14:49] <fsphil-laptop> 400km from dokkum
[14:49] <OZ1SKY_Brian> just not on the map for some reason
[14:49] <fsphil-laptop> probably entered the coordinates after it was loaded
[14:49] <cuddykid> yay - my isa interest is paid this week I think :D
[14:50] <fsphil-laptop> you get interest?
[14:50] <cuddykid> more HAB stuff can be ordered then haha
[14:50] <_Hix-Android> YOur postie must hate you
[14:50] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[14:50] <cuddykid> fsphil-laptop: 3.2% I think - I worked it out a while ago, I should get £100 interest for last years isa
[14:50] <cuddykid> _Hix-Android: yeah probably :P
[14:50] <fsphil-laptop> sweet
[14:50] <fsphil-laptop> not sure what interest my bank has
[14:51] <fsphil-laptop> not as good as that
[14:51] <cuddykid> my current account is a shocker
[14:51] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[14:51] <fsphil-laptop> I'd make more money by picking up coins on the street
[14:51] <_Hix-Android> Fsphil - lining their own pockets. Their only interest
[14:51] <cuddykid> indeed!
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> I've wondered about agile UAVs for that.
[14:52] <fsphil-laptop> picking up coins?
[14:52] <SpeedEvil> A pigeon-sized UAV that goes along and picks up coin shaped objects.
[14:52] <cuddykid> with a magnet on the bottom :P
[14:52] <fsphil-laptop> lol
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[14:52] <fsphil-laptop> getting a fair few bad decodes now on dokkum
[14:52] <fsphil-laptop> hiya r2x0t
[14:52] <r2x0t> yo
[14:53] <_Hix-Android> It's not going to descend over dresden and drop a payload is it? :p
[14:53] <fsphil-laptop> signal fading fast here
[14:54] <_Hix-Android> How much storage space have you got on imaging devices TimZaman
[14:54] <_Hix-Android> You should have some epic pics and video
[14:55] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: how far are you?
[14:55] <SpeedEvil> Is there a backup tracking means?
[14:55] <cuddykid> SpeedEvil: yes
[14:55] <fsphil-laptop> SpeedEvil, dokkum receiver is now about 410km away I think
[14:55] <cuddykid> sms tracker I think
[14:55] <cuddykid> which hopefully will result in a landing location!
[14:57] <TimZaman> sms tracker yep
[14:57] <TimZaman> if it survived
[14:57] <fsphil-laptop> roaming charges are going to be bad
[14:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> burst?
[14:57] <TimZaman> if aything survies
[14:57] <fsphil-laptop> sound slike it
[14:57] <TimZaman> its got 15E on it
[14:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lots of qsb on signal now
[14:57] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[14:57] <fsphil-laptop> sounds like its falling
[14:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i think its a burst
[14:57] <fsphil-laptop> definitely
[14:57] <TimZaman> burst d be awesome
[14:57] <fsphil-laptop> it's comin down!
[14:58] <fsphil-laptop> germany landing
[14:58] <fsphil-laptop> it's spinning too fast
[14:58] <fsphil-laptop> I can't decode it
[14:58] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:58] <fsphil-laptop> slowing down a bit
[14:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> `POLARIZING SPACE !P PD4TA,1587,14:58:03,11.284Y11.17p3)29765,10,14,4131*30DF
[14:58] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[14:59] <SpeedEvil> Whee!
[14:59] <TimZaman> yaaaaeeee haaa
[14:59] <fsphil-laptop> -53m/s
[14:59] <ha7-601> yeaah! coming down!
[15:00] <priyesh> which parachute is on the payload TimZaman?
[15:00] <fsphil-laptop> landing near Nuernberg
[15:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ! POLARIZING SPACE !$$PD4TA,1592,14:59:46,51.2802,11.1964,23755,10,14,4131*F79A
[15:00] <_Hix-Android> Or ingolstadt get Audi to pick it up, sell advertising rights too
[15:01] <TimZaman> 14 degrees thats still warm
[15:01] <fsphil-laptop> prediction updated with faster descent rate
[15:01] <SpeedEvil> Interesting.
[15:01] <TimZaman> a good parachute
[15:01] <SpeedEvil> It's landing in the middle of a forest on the latest prediction.
[15:01] <fsphil-laptop> that's a forest lol
[15:01] <SamSilver_> who remembers this > 14:55] * SpeedEvil bets of float at 35km
[15:01] <SpeedEvil> Ah - backing out now.
[15:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> going here now
[15:02] <fsphil-laptop> we're going to lose tracking soon
[15:02] <TimZaman> hahha NOOOOO
[15:02] <fsphil-laptop> still heading for that forest
[15:03] <fsphil-laptop> Bad Berka
[15:03] <fsphil-laptop> signal more or less gone from Dokkum now
[15:03] <fsphil-laptop> can just about hear it
[15:03] <G0DJA> Going to be playing Herb Alpert on the MP3 player whilst they look for it?
[15:04] <fsphil-laptop> near Buchfart
[15:05] <fsphil-laptop> where's Lunar_Lander when you need him
[15:05] <_Hix-Android> Is that a tangled chute? It's still fookin rapid
[15:05] <Upu> bust ?
[15:05] <fsphil-laptop> very burst Upu
[15:05] <fsphil-laptop> heading for a forest in germany
[15:06] <fsphil-laptop> closing dokkum receiver, it's gone now
[15:06] <fsphil-laptop> update!
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[15:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> nice
[15:07] <fsphil-laptop> thanks DK6WX if you're in the channel :)
[15:07] <TimZaman> burstttt
[15:07] Nick change: Jan -> Guest39157
[15:07] <Upu> thats awfully fast
[15:07] <Upu> how big is the parachute ?
[15:07] <TimZaman> tangled chute +1
[15:07] <r2x0t> 15:07:00,51.6154,11.25[5,11,12,4131*
[15:08] <ha7-601> better now at -18.7m/s, should be ok for landing
[15:08] <Upu> 9/ms landing
[15:08] <TimZaman> looks like its not going for the forest
[15:08] <Upu> thats hard
[15:09] <Upu> wonder where DK6WX is
[15:09] <Upu> one of your contacts Brian ?
[15:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu no
[15:10] <Upu> he's 340km away
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[15:12] <jcoxon> Hey all
[15:12] <Upu> popped
[15:12] <jcoxon> Descending?
[15:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> very nice flight
[15:12] <Upu> yeah fast but no receivers
[15:12] <TimZaman> burst
[15:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> TimZaman congrats on the flight
[15:13] <TimZaman> OZ1SKY_Brian: thanks lets hope it returns itself
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[15:14] <Upu> 7 hour drive then TimZaman ? :)
[15:14] <jcoxon> Sms onboard?
[15:14] <TimZaman> yes
[15:14] <TimZaman> no were almost home
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[15:14] <Upu> http://g.co/maps/55dja
[15:15] <NickB1> Congrats Tim , was fun decoding
[15:15] <Upu> http://arcl.adconsys.de/
[15:16] <fsphil-laptop> as always a unique flight :)
[15:16] <Upu> Tim always delivers :)
[15:16] <ha7-601> I just hot a .hu ham onboard, but by now we are below the horizont. Glad it didn't go to Ukraine.
[15:17] <Upu> Tim
[15:17] <Upu> Leipzig has a radio amateur club run by Guenter Dornblut , DL5YYM@darc.de
[15:17] <TimZaman> do you know him =)?
[15:18] <Upu> no but Google is my friend
[15:18] <Upu> fire him a polite mail ?
[15:18] <TimZaman> google is mine!
[15:19] <Upu> http://www.mydarc.de/dl5yym/ check the stacked Yagis in the back ground pic
[15:19] <_Hix-Android> Top effort TimZaman. Epic. Not the fast up and down you said it was gonna be eh?
[15:19] <TimZaman> nah
[15:19] <griffonbot> Received email: Daniel Richman "[UKHAS] Parser logs, or "why isn't my payload on the map?""
[15:20] <Upu> I think we should all put a quid in and buy Tim some scales
[15:20] <ha7-601> What an exciting afternoon! I hope your German friends will recover it for Tim. bye now!
[15:20] <Upu> bye ha7-601
[15:20] <TimZaman> dont have germans friends
[15:20] <TimZaman> they stole my grandparents bicicle and did not return it
[15:21] <TimZaman> last time it landed in germany
[15:21] <Upu> if thats the worst that happened think yourself lucky
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[15:21] <TimZaman> a german lady took it in her shed for 2 months before she called me
[15:21] <Upu> You might get some if you give that guy a mail
[15:21] <Upu> HAMS love feeling important
[15:21] <_Hix-Android> dl5yym@aol.com
[15:21] <ha7-601> sorry to hear that, hope its different this time.
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[15:22] <number10_2E0DBR> could have been worse - you could have gone to pick up payload and german woman locks you in her shed for two months
[15:23] <NickB1> haha
[15:23] Nick change: number10_2E0DBR -> number10
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[15:29] <natrium42> number10: is she hot?
[15:29] <cuddykid> oh pop
[15:30] <number10> well I dont know - she could be
[15:30] <cuddykid> has he got an sms location?
[15:30] <hwhnp> anyone tracking pd4ta here?
[15:31] <_Hix-Android> Dunno it was coming down pretty swiftly
[15:31] <Upu> its down now
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[15:32] <timzaman2> i have xontact with the sma tracker but its not sensing me my sms
[15:32] <G0DJA> local 23cm beacon seems a bit 'up' today
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[15:33] <cuddykid> :(
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[15:34] <fsphil-laptop> not a good sign
[15:34] <natrium42> can you reboot it?
[15:35] <fsphil-laptop> G0DJA, is there much 23cm activity around your area?
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[15:40] <timzaman2> 0031653587738,lat:50.957870E,long:11.233320N,speed:0.37,26/02/12 23:27,Batt:91%,Signal:F,,imei:355689011831675,0.00,353.00,,2200,4977
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[15:40] <timzaman2> plz lut in tracker
[15:40] <fsphil-laptop> haha
[15:40] <timzaman2> plz put in tracker
[15:41] <timzaman2> 0031653587738,lat:50.957910E,long:11.233330N,speed:0.37,26/02/12 23:39,Batt:91%,Signal:F,,imei:355689011831675,0.00,348.70,,2200,4977
[15:41] <fsphil-laptop> oh you *just* missed that forest
[15:42] <cuddykid> is that the landing location?
[15:42] <cuddykid> fsphil-laptop: have a link?
[15:42] <Upu> nice
[15:42] <daveake_> Close to the E40 which is handy ... someone going after this?
[15:43] Nick change: daveake_ -> daveake
[15:43] <Upu> prediction was 20km out
[15:43] <fsphil-laptop> hmm. I've lost the link to insert strings
[15:43] <Upu> tim can you call the phone and see if someone answers ? :)
[15:44] <Upu> how often does it text ?
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[15:45] <jonsowman> the hourly predictor is back
[15:45] <jonsowman> http://hourly.cusf.co.uk
[15:45] <jonsowman> :)
[15:45] <G0DJA> fspil-laptop fair bit but usually monitor beacons like GB3CSB and GB3MHL
[15:45] <RocketBoy> woooohoo
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[15:45] <fsphil-laptop> it appears to have drawn a fish
[15:45] <jonsowman> haha
[15:46] <fsphil-laptop> love those flights that land in cambridge
[15:46] <fsphil-laptop> jonsowman, is it difficult to setup that?
[15:46] <jonsowman> fsphil-laptop: not too bad
[15:46] <jonsowman> i did it this morning so i can guide you through it
[15:46] <fsphil-laptop> I tried once before but got stuck with something silly
[15:46] <fsphil-laptop> ooh you got a few minutes now?
[15:47] <jonsowman> yep
[15:47] <jonsowman> fsphil-laptop: shall we talk in #hamaltitude so we don't spam this channel?
[15:48] <fsphil-laptop> good thinking
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[15:49] <Upu> wb Tim
[15:49] <griffonbot> Received email: Jon Sowman "[UKHAS] Hourly Predictor"
[15:49] <TimZaman> location:
[15:49] <TimZaman> http://g.co/maps/dkpdv
[15:49] <TimZaman> can someone please add that to the tracker? it'd be awesome!
[15:50] <Upu> trying to find link TimZaman
[15:50] <TimZaman> it'd in a field! :)
[15:51] <TimZaman> near a sausage factory or soemthing
[15:51] <TimZaman> and another big factory kind of thingy
[15:52] <TimZaman> does anyone know anyone near there? I'm now home by the way
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[15:53] <Upu> Tim mail that guy I posted earlier ?
[15:54] <Upu> dunno where Lunar is but probably a bit far for him
[15:55] <TimZaman> Upu yeah ok but i know EXACTLY where it landed this time
[15:55] <Upu> TimZaman
[15:56] <Upu> 0.00,353.00,,2200,4977 what are these fields ?
[15:56] <Upu> at the end
[15:56] <TimZaman> Upu its not really near leipzich right
[15:56] <PD3EM> There are a few amateurs nearby ;-) http://yfrog.com/od77636296j
[15:56] <TimZaman> Upu its different information
[15:56] <TimZaman> its from the GPS tracker :P
[15:56] <Upu> anything that would go in a normal string ?
[15:56] <TimZaman> but maybe i thought you can add the coordinates
[15:56] <TimZaman> y
[15:56] <Upu> DanielRichman is making the string up manually
[15:57] <Upu> so letus know what those are and bear with us
[15:57] <TimZaman> PD3EM: wat is dat? :)
[15:57] <Upu> APRS Map
[15:57] <PD3EM> zie http://aprs.fi/?addr=50.957910N%2011.233330E&mt=roadmap&z=12&timerange=10800&_s=ss_addr
[15:57] <TimZaman> that PD6AD is rly close
[15:58] <DanielRichman> ah; from the gps tracker.. okay. I guess in that case making the string isn't such a good idea
[15:58] <TimZaman> DanielRichman: would be nice to add them, no?
[15:58] <PD3EM> DL2AKT is ilving close to the landing location
[15:58] <_Hix-Android> TimZaman dl5yym@aol.com is leipzig ham guy
[15:58] <Upu> its not that close to Leipzig
[15:59] <_Hix-Android> Oh. Bit delayed on stuff as trying to do this from phone
[16:01] <Upu> Tim
[16:01] <Upu> http://www.dl8mbs.de/
[16:01] <Upu> Lives in Erfurt
[16:02] <Upu> prickler.schneider@t-online.de
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[16:03] <PD3EM> or try the Erfurt Ortsverband via dl3ami@darc.de
[16:03] <Upu> its on the map now thx DanielRichman
[16:03] <fsphil-laptop> that's a heck of a flight
[16:04] <Upu> Just need to start making some calls now Tim :)
[16:06] <TimZaman> i have got 0 idea what to do
[16:07] <Upu> Well I'd start with a polite mail to prickler.schneider@t-online.de
[16:07] <PD3EM> Sent out some emails to amateurs in that area
[16:07] <Upu> explain whats gone on, link to spacenear.us and ask nicely if he'd go out and have a look for it based on last known location
[16:07] <Upu> advise its RTTY 50 Reversed
[16:07] <Upu> tell him you'll send a QSL card :)
[16:07] <Upu> and pay for any recovery
[16:08] <TimZaman> you dont need telemetry
[16:08] <TimZaman> i know the *eexact* coordinates!
[16:08] <TimZaman> its in the field
[16:08] <Upu> doesn't matter Tim he's an amateur :)
[16:08] <Upu> let him find it :)
[16:09] <PD3EM> I've come into contact with the HAB after a balloon from James landed a few km from where I live. Recovered it and sent it back to James
[16:09] <PD3EM> so sent out a few emails to radio amateurs in that area
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[16:12] <griffonbot> @apexhab: Apex III launching Wednesday 29th February at ~16:00 from Churchill College, Cambridge: http://t.co/efM9tsg0 #apexhab #ukhas [http://twitter.com/apexhab/status/173802521700208640]
[16:12] <TimZaman> okay i sent some ma ils
[16:13] <Upu> good luck
[16:14] <TimZaman> to whom
[16:14] <TimZaman> gah
[16:14] <griffonbot> @jonsowman: RT @apexhab: Apex III launching Wednesday 29th February at ~16:00 from Churchill College, Cambridge: http://t.co/VAGhPKWg #apexhab #ukhas [http://twitter.com/jonsowman/status/173803086396129280]
[16:14] <TimZaman> too bad i dont know no germanz
[16:14] <PD3EM> I hope this will also help: https://twitter.com/#!/PD3EM/statuses/173802659248209920
[16:14] <griffonbot> @danielsaul: RT @apexhab: Apex III launching Wednesday 29th February at ~16:00 from Churchill College, Cambridge: http://t.co/efM9tsg0 #apexhab #ukhas [http://twitter.com/danielsaul/status/173803128628592641]
[16:14] Action: costyn @ home
[16:15] Action: costyn will post the coordinates to Facebook to German skydiver friends; must be someone who knows someone in the area
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[16:15] <TimZaman> yeah i want to let everyone know but i am so clueless
[16:15] <TimZaman> i want to call the farmer but yeah he hasnt got no twitterz
[16:16] <costyn> TimZaman: have you found his number?
[16:16] <TimZaman> no
[16:18] <costyn> google maps has some businesses at that address with phone numbers
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[16:18] <costyn> they're butchers hehe
[16:18] <TimZaman> yeah
[16:20] <TimZaman> dont speak english
[16:20] <TimZaman> sounded very very foreign so i wont let him take my gopro
[16:22] <TimZaman> no second one that doesnt speak english
[16:22] <RocketBoy> where is Lunar_Lander when you need him
[16:22] <TimZaman> and i will not be able to explain in german
[16:22] <PD3EM> Try DL2AKT (dl2akt@darc.de)
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[16:23] <TimZaman> gotta hate germans
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[16:24] <costyn> TimZaman: don't hate the people who have to help you :)
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[16:25] <costyn> TimZaman: posted to facebook
[16:25] <Upu> At this moment in time TimZaman the Germans are your best friends
[16:26] <Upu> anyway hang about until Lunar turns up
[16:26] <Upu> for once it will be us bothering him
[16:30] <NickB1> there are two hotels in that city
[16:30] <NickB1> maybe they know english
[16:30] <daveake> Upu LOL
[16:31] <RocketBoy> has anyone email Lunar_Lander?
[16:31] <NickB1> kglinka@uos.de
[16:31] <Upu> he'll be on soon I suspect
[16:31] <RocketBoy> yeah - just didn't want to bombard him
[16:32] <daveake> why not? :)
[16:32] <Upu> +1
[16:32] <Upu> I'm only messing
[16:32] <daveake> XD
[16:33] <Upu> its unusual for him not to be here, I don't think he has transport but he may be able to make a few calls
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[16:35] <NickB1> I emailed him
[16:36] <_Hix-Android> TimZaman ich spraeche ein bitschen Deutsche. Mail@adrian-hicks.co.uk
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[16:42] <TimZaman> OK a german lady is now going to look for it!
[16:42] <TimZaman> from gasthof zur klostergrotte
[16:42] <NickB1> great!
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[16:43] <G0DJA> That's good news - let's hope she is able to collect it
[16:43] <TimZaman> yep
[16:43] <TimZaman> was a long exhausting phonecall
[16:43] <TimZaman> she said she walker her dog there
[16:44] <TimZaman> and more people did
[16:44] <G0DJA> I don't think my very schoolboy German would have coped LOL
[16:44] <TimZaman> so she said someone might have picked it up
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[16:44] <TimZaman> i had to speak german yeah
[16:44] <TimZaman> kinda
[16:45] <_Hix-Android> I just bought 12 sq m of military spec parachute ripstop in Orange. Good job my old mum is a demon on the sewing machine
[16:45] <G0DJA> Just been listening round 70cm beacons and noticed all signals low - then spotted I had the attenuator switched on!
[16:45] <G0DJA> Must have accidentally selected it instead of locking the frequency
[16:46] <fsphil-laptop> whoops
[16:46] <costyn> TimZaman: wow ... how did you find this lady?
[16:46] <G0DJA> Still should have heard/seen something in waterfall if any signal had got through
[16:46] <fsphil-laptop> not sure there are any 70cm beacons audible from cookstown -- I can hear a 2m and 6m beacon though
[16:46] <TimZaman> costyn google maps its a small hotelthingy
[16:47] <costyn> haha ok
[16:48] <G0DJA> About the only reliable one here is GB3ANG - better on 23cm with GB3CSB in one direction and GB3MHL in the other - GB3IOW used to be good but off air at present
[16:49] <TimZaman> lets hope she finds it!
[16:49] <G0DJA> fsphil-laptop GB3ANG on 432.980 should be OK from there?
[16:50] <G0DJA> We only have 3 70cm beacons in UK at present
[16:50] <G0DJA> Many have had to be taken down due to big increase in rents by TV transmission companies
[16:51] <_Hix-Android> TimZaman was it klostergrotte
[16:51] <TimZaman> dunno
[16:51] <TimZaman> Yes
[16:51] <_Hix-Android> Oh ok. She's going to look?
[16:51] <G0DJA> That's why HAB is interesting to me ;-)
[16:51] <TimZaman> OMG THE BALLOON IS ON THE MOVE!
[16:51] <TimZaman> 50.96139 11.23405
[16:52] <G0DJA> Hurray
[16:52] <daveake_> :D
[16:52] <TimZaman> i dont think she has it though
[16:52] <TimZaman> someone else probably
[16:52] <daveake_> !!
[16:52] <G0DJA> OH!
[16:52] <daveake_> Labelled with your international phone number?
[16:52] <fsphil-laptop> G0DJA, will have a listen now
[16:52] <TimZaman> my dutch phonenumber
[16:52] <BrainDamage> need coordinate 2 phone number databases :p
[16:52] <TimZaman> hehehe
[16:53] <PD3EM> it's moving in the direction of the Klostergrotte according to your coordinates ;-)
[16:53] <G0DJA> fsphil-laptop Useful list of VHF/UHF/SHF beacons and frequencies *actually* hard on rather than where the lists *say* they are at http://www.beaconspot.eu/home.php
[16:54] <G0DJA> hard = heard...
[16:54] <TimZaman> lets poll the GPS again then
[16:55] <TimZaman> gps tracker is on 91% of its battery so no worries there
[16:56] <costyn> TimZaman: heheh that is interesting
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[16:57] <fsphil-laptop> G0DJA, GB3ANG is too far from here I think
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[16:57] <fsphil-laptop> I didn't know there where only 3 of them
[16:57] <TimZaman> i dont like the payload being on the move
[16:58] <TimZaman> someone has it and someone has not called me :(
[16:58] <Morseman> fsphil-laptop would have thought you were closer than me?
[16:58] <costyn> TimZaman: maybe the don't have a mobile phone and are walking home with it
[16:58] <x-f> isn't it dark there now?
[17:00] <BrainDamage> it's like sunset
[17:00] <fsphil-laptop> Morseman, I am. You can hear a beacon that far away?
[17:01] <Upu> Tim
[17:01] <TimZaman> Upu
[17:01] <Upu> can you call the mobile inthe payload ?
[17:01] <TimZaman> yes
[17:01] <G0DJA> Better on 23cm GB3CSB at 355 km regulaly on CW and JT4g
[17:01] <Upu> have you ?
[17:01] <TimZaman> i just did and it gave me those shifted coordinates
[17:01] <TimZaman> here is the latest
[17:01] <Upu> no I mean voice
[17:01] <TimZaman> 50.961390 11.234050
[17:01] <Upu> so it rigns
[17:01] <TimZaman> i am trying agian but its not sending me an sms back
[17:01] <TimZaman> yeah it rings
[17:02] <TimZaman> after ringing it should send me an sms back but it doesnt
[17:02] <TimZaman> not for the last 5 minutes
[17:02] <TimZaman> could be out of cash
[17:02] <G0DJA> Sometimes GB3ANG on 23cm (386) and it's usually just audible on 70cm as well
[17:02] <fsphil-laptop> what sort of distance would that be G0DJA?
[17:03] <G0DJA> ANG is 386km CSB is 355km
[17:04] <fsphil-laptop> nice
[17:05] <TimZaman> east germans dont even have streetview
[17:05] <fsphil-laptop> I suspect there's some hills in the way to my north east
[17:05] <G0DJA> Usually best 23cm signal is GB3MHL at 217km - closer ones like GB3CLE and GB3SE are wrong side of the pennines
[17:05] <fsphil-laptop> next time I'm up the mountain I'll see if I can hear it
[17:06] <fsphil-laptop> I can hear a few scottish commercial stations from there
[17:07] <G0DJA> TimZaman did it get to the hotel?
[17:07] <TimZaman> dont know
[17:07] <TimZaman> dont think so
[17:08] <G0DJA> :-(
[17:08] <TimZaman> im off for some food
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[17:08] <G0DJA> Good luck - hope postman brings it back to you soon
[17:08] <G0DJA> Too late - LOl
[17:13] <G0DJA> fsphil-laptop hoping GB3CFG in IO74CR will be back on 23cm again soon
[17:14] <costyn> so did we make any new tracking friends today in Europe? I heard Tim talk about a Czech guy?
[17:15] <fsphil-laptop> r2x0t was tracking just before it burst
[17:16] <G0DJA> I think Upu said he was on during the XABEN flight the other day
[17:16] <Upu> There was someone from CZ asking about payload yesterday
[17:17] <costyn> And who is DK6WX who tracked the last poitn?
[17:17] <Upu> not sure
[17:17] <_Hix-Android> His I'd was whoami
[17:17] <Upu> but he was a few hundred km from final point
[17:17] <_Hix-Android> Id
[17:17] <costyn> ah ok... he was on here yesterday
[17:19] <_Hix-Android> Not tracking guy payload guy
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[17:20] <_Hix-Android> Hi kid, still killing royal mail ;p
[17:21] <cuddykid_mob> hi _Hix-Android indeed :P haha
[17:21] <cuddykid_mob> on a train at the moment - signal is bad, will probably get cut off
[17:22] <cuddykid_mob> i do hope my pcbs arrive this week
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[17:29] <fsphil-laptop> G0DJA, what receiver do you use on 23cm, or do you convert it to a lower band?
[17:29] <_Hix-Android> I'm off battery sit critical
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[17:40] <jcoxon> hey daveake_
[17:40] <jcoxon> any new progress with the rfm22b
[17:41] <daveake_> Not yet. Been a bit busy workwise.
[17:41] <jcoxon> i've rigged up one of my atlas boards with a rfm22b instead of a ntx2
[17:42] <Dutch-Mill> Hi all any news about the PD4TA flight?
[17:42] <daveake_> I've got 2 rfm22b trackers at the mo and I'll make up another one soon. I'll fly two next launch (planned 24th March)
[17:42] <daveake_> Dutch-Mill It landed in a field in Germany. Tim got the location from the backup SMS tracker
[17:43] <daveake_> He's called a local and assuming the language barrier wasn't too great someone should be going round to collect soon.
[17:43] <Dutch-Mill> Oké thanks
[17:43] <G0DJA> fsphil-laptop It's a TS2000X with a masthead mounted preamp
[17:43] <daveake_> Seems the tracker has run out of credit to text him back now :p
[17:44] <costyn> daveake_ / Dutch-Mill : plus the last sms indicated it was on the move, so someone has found it and took it.. home or to the cops
[17:44] <G0DJA> Hummmm can't get my Perseus to power up
[17:44] <costyn> daveake_: or it's inside and doesn't have a gps lock anymore (doesnt seem to send any smses in that case - took a while today for it to send first sms)
[17:45] <daveake_> yeah could be
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[17:45] <daveake_> Tim ...
[17:45] <daveake_> .... news?
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[17:46] <timzaman2> i just got hatemail from a enlgish speaking german that did not like me saying 'gotta hate gemans'. I apologize, and i will try watching less fawlty towers. Also, i am in my right as germans have taken my payload home already and none of the peeps i called een spoke english. No news!
[17:47] <timzaman2> Also you have stolen bicycles from my grandparents a i have clearly stated before.
[17:48] Action: daveake_ checks ebay for newly listed gopros in Germany
[17:49] <timzaman2> so the payload has clearly been recovered but by whom i dont know!
[17:49] <timzaman2> had to pay ¬150 to the german lady last time to get it back (the one that called after 2months)
[17:50] <timzaman2> Sorry gerry's! im off for some dinner
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[17:52] <costyn> meh
[17:53] <costyn> anwyays was quite the road trip. clocked some 650km today; and got to drive 180km/h for a bit on ze autobahn! that was fun
[17:56] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/MYxBn.png
[17:57] <Upu> what is it Laurenceb ?
[17:57] <Upu> apart from USB something
[17:58] <Laurenceb_> usb dongle with stm32f4 and software gps
[17:58] <Laurenceb_> just needs a nice silkscreen now
[17:58] <Upu> so your making your own GPS ?
[17:59] <Laurenceb_> yes
[17:59] <Upu> be interesting no cocom limits then ?
[18:00] <Laurenceb_> hehe
[18:00] <Upu> lol
[18:00] <Randomskk> Laurenceb_: looks good
[18:00] <Randomskk> I'm currently having so much fun
[18:01] <Upu> I don't know how you guys do the complex boards
[18:01] <Laurenceb_> how do you mean?
[18:01] <Randomskk> https://randomskk.net/u/wombat.png
[18:01] <Laurenceb_> Randomskk: bottom header is SWD
[18:01] <Laurenceb_> it has usart1 on pabs on the bottom
[18:01] <Laurenceb_> so it can run as standalone
[18:02] <Randomskk> nice
[18:02] <Laurenceb_> theres also indicator LED and active antenni with gpio controlled supply
[18:02] <Randomskk> yea I've opted for 2x5 SWD header on this
[18:02] <Randomskk> as the normal 2x10 cannot fit :P
[18:02] <Laurenceb_> i had to drop the RX-EN pin :/
[18:02] <Randomskk> though I'm getting to the very difficult to route stage of the game
[18:02] <Randomskk> 55 traces left
[18:02] <Laurenceb_> impossible to route without comprimising the rf
[18:02] <Laurenceb_> so it can go into "deep sleep"
[18:03] <Laurenceb_> itll only get down to ~8ma total
[18:03] <Randomskk> shame, but that's not bad at all
[18:03] <Laurenceb_> some idiot at sige put the RX_EN pin inbetween two rf pins
[18:03] <Laurenceb_> wtf
[18:03] <Randomskk> :|
[18:04] <Randomskk> really neat rf layout though
[18:04] <Laurenceb_> id have to stick the line under the SAW through some vias
[18:04] <Laurenceb_> wouldnt trust that
[18:04] <Randomskk> the adf pinout is.. less fun
[18:04] <BrainDamage> how much does it uses when fully powered?
[18:04] <Laurenceb_> hard to say
[18:04] <Laurenceb_> id guess about 60ma
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[18:05] <Laurenceb_> if you got celver and started tracking minimum number of sats, maybe down to 20
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[18:05] <Randomskk> the stm32f4 fully clocked at 168mhz is like 70 to 90mA or something
[18:06] <Laurenceb_> yeah, but lots of that is peripherals
[18:06] <Laurenceb_> this just needs 2DMA and 1SPI
[18:06] <Randomskk> fair enough
[18:07] <fsphil-laptop> hehe, Tim the diplomat
[18:07] <fsphil-laptop> (just catching up)
[18:07] <fsphil-laptop> G0DJA, that's a nice radio!
[18:08] <Randomskk> ugh I dunno if I can finish routing this
[18:08] <Randomskk> I think it's going to suddenly get too high density
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[18:08] <Randomskk> which is a pain as all the other bits are routed, it's just getting everything to the arm
[18:08] <Randomskk> total mess
[18:08] <Laurenceb_> see figure 21 in stm32f4 datasheet
[18:09] <Randomskk> hmm yea, not bad
[18:09] <G0DJA> fsphil-laptop Yes, only problem is trying to listen on more than one band at a time. HI
[18:09] <Laurenceb_> i get ~38ma+12ma peripherals
[18:10] <Laurenceb_> +9ma frontend +1ma led etc
[18:10] <Laurenceb_> gives ~60ma @3.3v
[18:10] <NickB1> any news from Tim ?
[18:10] <G0DJA> I think my SDR has died :-(
[18:10] <fsphil-laptop> nooooo
[18:11] <fsphil-laptop> NickB1, he's not heard about the payload yet - though it moved so he thinks someone has it. also he offended some germans :)
[18:11] <Laurenceb_> but itd underclock in some cases
[18:11] <G0DJA> I'm almost certain I have the correct 5V psu but no lights come on when I plug it in and there's def 5V on the pin
[18:11] <NickB1> haha ok thanks for the update
[18:11] <fsphil-laptop> ooh radioworld updated their website
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[18:14] <G0DJA> I'll have to email them to see what costs to send back for repair
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[18:18] <Randomskk> well I nearly have a nice star 3v3 network at least
[18:18] <Randomskk> and the bottom ground plane is so far mostly unmolested
[18:18] <Randomskk> (that won't last)
[18:19] <G0DJA> Off to do dinner Good Luck all
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[18:20] <daveake_> fsphil-laptop - Hope it doesn't break like the last one did when I tried to order yesterday
[18:20] <fsphil-laptop> urg
[18:20] <fsphil-laptop> I hope they've made their 'zoomed' images a bit bigger
[18:21] <daveake_> That seems to be endemic in radio ham sites. "Click for a bigger image" --> same tiny image in a popup window
[18:27] <PD3EM> It looks like DL2AKT has visited the landing site of the PD4TA balloon http://aprs.fi/?call=a%2FDL2AKT-5&mt=roadmap&z=15&timerange=3600&_s=ss_call
[18:28] <fsphil-laptop> well spotted
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: what is your main clock?
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: I mean the GPS position clock
[18:33] <SpeedEvil> The clock that is used as a time reference to refer the other things to, I mean
[18:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ISS active on 145800
[18:37] <fsphil-laptop> voice?
[18:37] <fsphil-laptop> too late for me
[18:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes but i think they stoped now
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[19:15] <TimZaman> hi guys this is the status
[19:15] <TimZaman> a german HAM has driven past the dropzone and it was gone, as expected.
[19:15] <NigeyS> :o
[19:15] <TimZaman> the german lady has walked past it and she didnt see it.
[19:15] <NigeyS> habnapped?
[19:16] <TimZaman> The german lady then went past some houses where my GPS said it could be, and they hadnt seen it
[19:16] <TimZaman> i have now upgraded the phonemoney prepaid online
[19:16] <TimZaman> so i expect some updates from the phone shortly
[19:16] <NigeyS> ah you sms backup on there ?
[19:16] <cuddykid> oh no!
[19:17] <LazyLeopard> Oh dear. Payload stolen? That's a new one. :(
[19:17] <cuddykid> hopefully it's in safe hands
[19:17] <TimZaman> i think now they'd have called me
[19:17] <TimZaman> GPS tracker still ringing..
[19:17] <cuddykid> lol
[19:17] <TimZaman> ringing 6 times, weird, usually rings only 2 times
[19:18] <cuddykid> a smart thief
[19:18] <SpeedEvil> Odd.
[19:19] <TimZaman> what an adventure
[19:20] <TimZaman> dont like adventures
[19:20] <TimZaman> i like pizza
[19:20] <TimZaman> I like germans!
[19:20] <TimZaman> German people are known for their skill and trustworthyness and craftsmanship and I am sure that when they see my payload they will instantly return it
[19:20] <RocketBoy> The spaceplanes payload I put together was stolen too
[19:21] <TimZaman> RocketBoy: rly? that was an awesome payload man
[19:21] <TimZaman> samsung?
[19:21] <LazyLeopard> Oh? What happened then?
[19:22] <RocketBoy> yeah - we had 2 - the 1st was stolen somewhere in eastern europe
[19:22] <TimZaman> huuuh why stolen?
[19:22] <RocketBoy> we range the backup GPS tracker and some kids answered
[19:22] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/RuayR.png
[19:22] <RocketBoy> soso we know it was found
[19:22] <Laurenceb_> ^done
[19:23] <costyn> TimZaman: hope you get it back man. would be a real bummer since we know where it is but someone took it. Do you want my German friend to call the local police station tommorow and see if they have it?
[19:23] <cuddykid> lol RocketBoy
[19:23] <TimZaman> costyn: yeah could be nice :)?
[19:23] <costyn> TimZaman: ok i'll ask him
[19:23] <RocketBoy> good job i sent the team out with a backup
[19:23] <cuddykid> Laurenceb_: what are you constructing?
[19:23] <TimZaman> but how did they steal it
[19:23] <RocketBoy> they managed to run a second flight and found it
[19:24] <Laurenceb_> cuddykid: gps stick
[19:24] <CovBalloon> what is rtty supposed to sound like on the nxt2?
[19:24] <RocketBoy> well they found it and they didn't return it or get in contact - so thats stealing in my book
[19:25] <daveake_> yep :(
[19:25] <TimZaman> indeed stealing
[19:25] <Laurenceb_> RocketBoy: where was this?
[19:25] <TimZaman> maybe there were SD cards in them
[19:26] <RocketBoy> there were probably 100 x 8G SD cards - the expensive sansung sort
[19:26] <RocketBoy> samgsung
[19:26] <TimZaman> yeah but most of them were released probably right
[19:26] <NigeyS> :o
[19:27] <daveake_> CovBalloon should sound like this sample from the tracking guide - http://tenbus.co.uk/icaruscapture.mp3
[19:27] <costyn> TimZaman: I've asked Benedict to call them tomorrow. He's a really nice dude, I'm sure he'll do it
[19:27] <SamSilver_> 14:55] * SpeedEvil bets of float at 35km
[19:27] <TimZaman> great thanks
[19:27] <TimZaman> SamSilver_: HOAX
[19:27] <costyn> SamSilver_: ye that was spot on
[19:27] <costyn> :)
[19:27] <SamSilver_> yip
[19:27] <cuddykid> RocketBoy: if it said "Stay well back, needs handling by explosives handler" - they wouldn't have stole it :P haha
[19:28] <NigeyS> if payloads are getting stolen then maybe some kind of white lie warning can be used ;)
[19:28] <Laurenceb_> or just russian writing
[19:28] <cuddykid> indeed NigeyS haha
[19:28] <Laurenceb_> and reactor looking casing
[19:28] <cuddykid> lol Laurenceb_
[19:28] <NigeyS> lol laurenceb
[19:28] <cuddykid> "Confidential - Iran"
[19:28] <RocketBoy> cuddykid: yeah - better put that on my next payload
[19:29] <NigeyS> "Warning - high Voltage, Risk Of Death" should do it
[19:29] <RocketBoy> ;-)
[19:29] <cuddykid> haha
[19:29] <costyn> heh
[19:29] <NigeyS> they'd probably still nick it though lol
[19:29] <RocketBoy> normally reward works better
[19:29] <costyn> how to definitely get into trouble with the law
[19:31] <costyn> now if only we'd measured the neck lift... oh well...
[19:31] <costyn> it was nearly lifting the chair it was tied so, we thought it was more than enough
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[19:36] <costyn> TimZaman: can't believe how fast it started flying once it got into germany ; it covered as much grond in the last 2 hours as in the first 4 it seems
[19:37] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Looking neat!
[19:37] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Considered a wire for the rx_en pin?
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[19:47] <fsphil-laptop> hourly predictor for my launch site, shows why it's a bit rubbish: http://hourly.sanslogic.co.uk/ :)
[19:47] <Laurenceb_> i guess it could be done
[19:47] <TimZaman> wow phil thats pretty sweet
[19:47] <TimZaman> fsphil how bout a floater
[19:48] <fsphil-laptop> planning one TimZaman
[19:48] <TimZaman> it can be done
[19:48] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[19:48] <costyn> fsphil-laptop: with a cutdown to have someone retrieve it? or just see how far it'll go?
[19:48] <fsphil-laptop> yea my next launch will definitely be a floater.. well that's the aim anyway
[19:49] <fsphil-laptop> see how far
[19:49] <fsphil-laptop> it'll have a small camera for the live pics, but otherwise just a basic tracker
[19:49] <costyn> TimZaman: gotta go, thx for a fun if not entirely fruitful day :)
[19:50] Action: costyn afk
[19:50] <fsphil-laptop> cya costyn
[19:51] <fsphil-laptop> I suspect if a launch floated from here it would travel over the north sea to denmark rather than over europe
[19:52] <cuddykid> fsphil-laptop: was it easy to get the hourly predictor running on your site?
[19:53] <fsphil-laptop> ran into a few walls with having an older version of python
[19:53] <cuddykid> where's the source code?
[19:53] <fsphil-laptop> but otherwise not too bad. jonsowman helped me get it running
[19:53] <cuddykid> ahh ok
[19:54] <jonsowman> i should probably write down what i did
[19:54] <jonsowman> if only so i don't have to work it all out again next time...
[19:54] <cuddykid> haha :P
[19:54] <cuddykid> jonsowman: do you have the source code sitting anywhere public?
[19:54] <jonsowman> sort of
[19:55] <fsphil-laptop> https://github.com/rjw57/cusf-landing-prediction
[19:55] <jonsowman> there are a few things that need changing
[19:55] <jonsowman> but that's the basic source
[19:55] <jonsowman> cuddykid: if you dump it in /opt, i've got some files you can directly copy
[19:55] <jonsowman> if not you'll have to change them yourself
[19:56] <cuddykid> jonsowman: what's /opt ?
[19:56] <jonsowman> the directory
[19:56] <cuddykid> oh I see :)
[19:56] <jonsowman> what server are you looking at running this on?
[19:56] <cuddykid> http://habe.acudworth.co.uk/hourly or something like that
[19:56] <jonsowman> is it a VPS? dedicated?
[19:57] <cuddykid> no
[19:57] <cuddykid> ahh, I didn't realise that was a requirement
[19:57] <TimZaman> costyn: bb, thanks a million!
[19:57] <jonsowman> you won't be able to run this on shared hosting i don't think
[19:57] <jonsowman> maybe you could
[19:57] <fsphil-laptop> could run it locally and upload the results
[19:58] <cuddykid> yeah - if It can be run locally then that would be fine
[19:58] <jonsowman> cuddykid: you need to be able to install python packages
[19:58] <jonsowman> and it uses quite a bit of bandwidth
[19:58] <cuddykid> ahh nevermind then
[19:58] <jonsowman> running it locally is definitely an option though
[19:58] <jonsowman> where are you based?
[19:58] <cuddykid> nottingham
[19:59] <jonsowman> if you're looking at launching, give me a shout and i'll put the cusf hourly to your launch site
[19:59] <cuddykid> but launch from worcester :P
[19:59] <cuddykid> ok, cheers jonsowman
[20:00] <TimZaman> the guy from the universities' electronics dpt. (in charge of their 40el super large yagi with controllable base) suggested we should make an app for this that automates things
[20:01] <cuddykid> a lot of HAB stuff could be automated
[20:01] <TimZaman> :-)
[20:01] <cuddykid> just need the time :P
[20:01] <TimZaman> ye
[20:06] <TimZaman> anyone know a reset instruction to a gps tracker through sms?
[20:08] <cuddykid> not unless it's the one I have, which goes something like 2220000
[20:08] <cuddykid> I think that's to turn gps off or something
[20:08] <RocketBoy> TimZaman: what GPS tracker is it?
[20:10] <TimZaman> some cheap one
[20:10] <TimZaman> no idea
[20:10] <TimZaman> says GPS TRACKER in yellow characters with a little logo in a black case that takes a nokia lipo
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[20:11] <RocketBoy> TK102?
[20:11] <TimZaman> confiremd
[20:11] <RocketBoy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fylKCOdbkM
[20:11] <TimZaman> yep
[20:12] <RocketBoy> I have the reset string in an email - just looking
[20:12] <TimZaman> :)
[20:13] <Upu> Hey Steve do you mean on the habhub predictor or the live predictor on spacenear.us ?
[20:13] <RocketBoy> they are notorious for getting confused after a high flight
[20:13] <Upu> re your mail
[20:13] <RocketBoy> normally take an hour to work themselves out
[20:17] <RocketBoy> TimZaman: PM
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[20:23] <Upu> ping CovBalloon
[20:23] <Upu> get it working ?
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[20:39] <Upu> Hey Dan-K2VOL
[20:39] <Upu> http://nstar.org/GFS/10mb/10mb.048.png
[20:40] <Upu> swinging up towards the UK
[20:43] <fsphil> that looks good
[20:45] <Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/MV4RV,XP6UK
[20:45] <Laurenceb_> off to manufacture 2morrow
[20:46] Action: Upu wonders when the COCOM police will come crashing through your window :)
[20:46] <Upu> what does it output ? NMEA ?
[20:46] <Laurenceb_> erm
[20:46] <Laurenceb_> nothing
[20:46] <Laurenceb_> JTAG XD
[20:46] <Upu> oh
[20:47] <Upu> I misunderstood
[20:47] <Laurenceb_> pretty trivial to make a clone of the sige sampler to start with
[20:47] <Upu> ah you're doing that thing again, where I don't understand :/
[20:47] <Laurenceb_> search of sparkfun
[20:47] <Laurenceb_> *on
[20:47] <fsphil> lol
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: so this is just the frontend on a board?
[20:48] <Laurenceb_> and stm32f4
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[20:49] <Laurenceb_> thats the big thing
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> yeah - it was only the bottom laer
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> layer
[20:49] Action: SpeedEvil ponders again making a micromanipulator.
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[20:51] <Upu> is Dan launching from Indiana ?
[20:52] <Dan-K2VOL> upu yes, Columbus Indiana
[20:52] <Upu> launch in 48 hours Dan its coming right too us :)
[20:52] <Upu> http://nstar.org/GFS/10mb/10mb.048.png
[20:52] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu what makes you think it will go that far?
[20:53] <Upu> its a super pressure one not made of latex designed not to burst
[20:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh ok i see
[20:53] <Dan-K2VOL> well, zero pressure actually, but it's got a target flight time of 72 hours
[20:53] <Upu> http://whitestarballoon.com/?p=516
[20:53] <Upu> sorry zero pressure
[20:54] Action: SpeedEvil sighs.
[20:54] <SpeedEvil> I mean - lowest common denominator - OK
[20:54] <SpeedEvil> http://www.outercam.co.uk/ssc/may.html
[20:54] <SpeedEvil> But...
[20:54] <SpeedEvil> (I was looking for puffins)
[20:54] <Dan-K2VOL> this is actually a better description of the plan: http://whitestarballoon.com/?page_id=9
[20:55] <Upu> SpeedEvil ? Afilitate link ?
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[20:57] <Dan-K2VOL> upu you're right, our hysplit prediction correlates: http://imgur.com/a/T14X3
[20:57] <Laurenceb_> normally active antenni run on +3.3v down the coax center right?
[20:58] <Dan-K2VOL> however, we're not quite ready :-)
[20:58] <Laurenceb_> ive got gpio - resistor - gpio - cap to gnd - choke - rf in
[20:58] <Upu> pah excuses :)
[20:58] <Laurenceb_> so first gpio can be used to test for shorts before turning on active ant supply
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[21:19] <Pavix> Anyone have a sec for a arduino programming question?
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[21:32] <eroomde> Pavix: as they say on IRC, never ask to ask, just ask
[21:35] <Laurenceb_> eroomde: could i interest you in a SDR GPS stick?
[21:35] <Pavix> I'm just fighting this logging code I found. It logs some data, but it doesnt actually log from the BMP085. So I found the arduino code for the BMP085, was able to combine the code, but it simply echo's the altitude, pressure and temp, doesnt actually write it to the log. just trying to understand a peice of code. logfile << buf << flush;
[21:35] <Laurenceb_> im going to be flogging some :P
[21:36] <Laurenceb_> shall i populate them myself with reflow oven? id have to charge a bit extra for my time
[21:36] Action: SpeedEvil wonders what the actual legislation is that makes it illegal to sell unlimited SDR
[21:36] <SpeedEvil> unlimited GPS
[21:36] <SpeedEvil> export
[21:37] <Laurenceb_> well i think ublox breaks the rules
[21:37] <DanielRichman> Pavix: "logfile << buf << flush" writes the contents of 'buf' to whatever 'logfile' repressents, and then flushes it.
[21:37] <Laurenceb_> but its from Switzerland
[21:37] <DanielRichman> 'flushing' ensuring that the data has been written, and isn't just sitting in a buffer.
[21:37] <Pavix> Ahh
[21:37] <Pavix> so then if the sensor data isnt in the buffer, it wont get "flushed" to the sdcare
[21:37] <Pavix> sdcard*
[21:38] <DanielRichman> I presume buf is a string and logfile is some sort of ostream?
[21:38] <Laurenceb_> ill flog them for ~£20 unpopulated, £30 populated
[21:38] <Pavix> obufstream bout(buf, sizeof(buf));
[21:39] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Sounds reasonable.
[21:39] <Laurenceb_> -with all components
[21:39] <Laurenceb_> that just covers my costs
[21:39] <SpeedEvil> ^very
[21:39] <Laurenceb_> :P
[21:39] <DanielRichman> Pavix: maybe you could http://pastie.org/ your code?
[21:40] <Pavix> This is my hackjob of the code as it runs now. http://pastie.org/3466841
[21:41] <Pavix> this is the original logging code: http://pastie.org/3466849
[21:42] <Pavix> this is the original BMP085 code: http://pastie.org/3466859
[21:43] <DanielRichman> right, yeah
[21:43] <DanielRichman> okay
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[21:43] <Pavix> I know, it's crap. But I'm not a programmer
[21:43] <DanielRichman> so basically what the code does is prepare the string that it's going to write to the log in a buffer before it's written, and then writes the whole string in one go
[21:44] <DanielRichman> which means that there are extra ostream objects flying around everywhere
[21:44] <DanielRichman> which is okay, but might be source of the confusion
[21:44] <DanielRichman> so basically, from the start
[21:44] <DanielRichman> - it declares a string buffer, "char buf[80];" in which it will prepare the line to write to the log.
[21:45] <Pavix> is 80 the max number of chars allowed in the buffer?
[21:45] <DanielRichman> - line 136: an obufstream object is created, and attached to that buffer
[21:45] <DanielRichman> yeah
[21:45] <DanielRichman> ostream objects can have data inserted into them, by doing ostream_object << data;
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[21:46] <DanielRichman> the obufstream object will save anything 'inserted into it' to that buffer, 'buf'
[21:46] <DanielRichman> that's what bout << ',' << analogRead(ia); does, for example (there are a few others)
[21:46] <Pavix> So the problem is, that it's not actually inserting the bmp data into ostream
[21:46] <DanielRichman> that's just building up the string in the buffer.
[21:47] <DanielRichman> then after it's ready, logfile << buf << flush; takes the prepared data and actually saves it to the card
[21:47] <DanielRichman> now your problem is:
[21:47] <DanielRichman> - you've moved the logfile << buf << flush line above the bout << lines, so you're trying to save the buffer before you've prepared any data in it
[21:47] <DanielRichman> - "logfile << "altitude" "atm" "pressure" "temperature" << flush" probably doesn't do what you want it to
[21:47] <Pavix> No
[21:47] <DanielRichman> that's going to insert "altitudeatmpressuretemperature" into the log
[21:48] <Pavix> it just writes those words, not the actual data
[21:48] <DanielRichman> yup
[21:48] <DanielRichman> okay so. Move "logfile << buf << flush" to be underneat line 189, "cout << buf;"
[21:48] <DanielRichman> and replace that line with something like
[21:48] <DanielRichman> bout << altitude << ',' << atm << ',' << presure << ',' << temperature;
[21:49] <DanielRichman> oh, and don't put the 'logfile << buf << flush;' line inside '#endif // ECHO TO SERIAL' - put it after that
[21:49] <DanielRichman> or when you switch off echoing to serial, you'll stop saving to the card
[21:49] <Pavix> Got it.
[21:50] <DanielRichman> oh i probably should have been clearer: when I said "replace that line with something like", I meant, "replace logfile << "altitude" "atm" "pressure"... " with the line I said
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[21:53] <DanielRichman> like that: http://pastie.org/3466935
[21:55] <Pavix> That works like a charm. Thank you
[21:56] <DanielRichman> :-) great, np
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[23:07] <griffonbot> @steamfire: Getting @LVL1WhiteStar modules to talk to one another again, helping the crew #balloons #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/steamfire/status/173907084457422848]
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[23:19] Action: SpeedEvil wonders idly about payloads that can cutdown in flying distance of a postbox.
[23:19] <SpeedEvil> And navigate to the slot.
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[23:35] <griffonbot> Received email: Josh Taylor "[UKHAS] Re: Hourly Predictor"
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