highaltitude.log.20120217

[00:00] <priyesh> and pressure inside the balloon and outside
[00:00] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[00:00] <danielsaul> We need to start filling the wiki in priyesh
[00:00] <Lunar_Lander> thanks danielsaul
[00:00] <priyesh> we're going to have a sensor inside the neck of the balloon
[00:00] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[00:00] <Lunar_Lander> YAY Army Electronics
[00:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[00:00] <danielsaul> hehe, no idea how we got money from them
[00:01] <danielsaul> Need to add sponsors to that sentence actually
[00:01] <danielsaul> anyway, better be off... night :)
[00:01] <Lunar_Lander> gn8 danielsaul
[00:01] <Lunar_Lander> priyesh: which gas sensors do you got?
[00:02] <priyesh> they're off ebay so they're quite generic
[00:02] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[00:02] <Lunar_Lander> those MQ series ones that get hot?
[00:02] <andrew_apex> indeed :)
[00:03] <andrew_apex> although they aren't rated for HAB temperatures, so we're going to insulate them a bit
[00:03] <andrew_apex> and hello Lunar_Lander :P
[00:03] <Lunar_Lander> hello andrew_apex :)
[00:04] <Lunar_Lander> which exactly do you have? I got MQ-4 for methane and MQ-7 for CO
[00:04] <andrew_apex> priyesh: which ones did you end up ordering?
[00:05] <priyesh> Carbon Monoxide
[00:05] <priyesh> MQ5
[00:05] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[00:05] <Lunar_Lander> MQ-7 and MQ-5?
[00:05] <priyesh> yep
[00:05] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[00:05] <Lunar_Lander> MQ-5 was natural gas or so IIRC
[00:06] <priyesh> yeah
[00:06] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[00:06] <andrew_apex> MQ5 will sense any flammable gas
[00:06] CTCP Methane: from priyesh (priyesh!priyesh@mango.pexat.com) to #highaltitude
[00:06] <priyesh> Can detect liquefied gasButane and Propane etc Combustible gas .
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[00:06] <andrew_apex> priyesh: :P
[00:06] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[00:06] <Lunar_Lander> and what is lemon vs. lime battery?
[00:06] <MLow-werk> danielsaul: you have a suggestion for where to ask for a syringe of paste?
[00:07] <andrew_apex> Lunar_Lander: you know when you stick electrodes in a lemon and power a clock?
[00:07] <andrew_apex> (or a lime)
[00:07] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, so you want to fly 30 lemons?
[00:07] <andrew_apex> well how will that voltage change @ altitude/when frozen
[00:07] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[00:07] <Lunar_Lander> and you'll compare lemons and limes?
[00:07] <andrew_apex> 1 lemon, 1 lime
[00:07] <andrew_apex> yup
[00:08] <MLow-werk> what about a spud
[00:08] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[00:08] <andrew_apex> MLow-werk: I suggested that but it was rejected :P
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[00:08] <Lunar_Lander> but you'd need a quite big amplifier?
[00:08] <Lunar_Lander> On TV they showed that lighting a LED needs 30 lemons
[00:08] <andrew_apex> Lunar_Lander: we're expecting ~0.6v out
[00:08] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[00:08] <andrew_apex> just majorly low currents
[00:09] <Lunar_Lander> so big resistors
[00:09] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[00:09] <priyesh> andrew_apex: i made one and got .9V out
[00:09] <andrew_apex> right, I'm going to bed as I've got a lab tomorrow morning :)
[00:09] <andrew_apex> night everyone
[00:09] <priyesh> night andrew_apex
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[00:11] <Lunar_Lander> yay so it will be on Saturday?
[00:11] <Lunar_Lander> if the weather is good and trajectory is OK?
[00:14] <MLow-werk> is there a ham callsign to watch on aprs.fi?
[00:15] <Lunar_Lander> british HAB usually don't have APRS
[00:15] <jonsowman> it'll be spacenear only, no APRS
[00:16] <gonzo_> bugger, away for the weekend with no RX
[00:16] <gonzo_> I could at least have packed the FCD and arrow if I'd havr known
[00:18] <MLow-werk> no way to track on the net?
[00:19] <MLow-werk> bummer
[00:20] <MLow-werk> i work saturday anyways...
[00:22] <fsphil-laptop> MLow-werk, http://spacenear.us/tracker/
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[00:22] <fsphil-laptop> same idea as aprs.fi
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[00:24] <fsphil-laptop> right, better get some sleep. night all
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[00:25] <MLow-werk> interesting
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[00:48] <MLow-werk> what would be a cool payload for a balloon few/none have done?
[00:48] <MLow-werk> a frog?
[00:49] <Zuph> If you like dead frogs.
[00:49] <MLow-werk> what if i put him in a little capsule
[00:49] <Zuph> hehe
[00:50] <Zuph> That could be interesting, a froggy life support capsule.
[00:50] <MLow-werk> with a co2 scrubber
[00:50] <Lunar_Lander> btw MLow-werk check this out, was from an unboxing video on youtube: http://s.gullipics.com/image/n/q/c/5yvppx-j2ziku-077g/img.png
[00:50] <Zuph> You could work your way up the evolutionary ladder until animal rights agencies stepped in.
[00:50] <Lunar_Lander> lol
[00:50] <Zuph> I bet you could get to "Dog" before anyone really noticed.
[00:51] <MLow-werk> worked in the 50's fro russia
[00:53] <MLow-werk> im pretty used to typos in cheap chineese products :/
[00:53] <Lunar_Lander> xD yea
[00:53] <MLow-werk> im looking at a descent of 5.55m/s on my box, is that a lil fast?
[00:54] <MLow-werk> id imagine the balloon remnants will slow it further
[00:54] <MLow-werk> (counting on that infact)
[01:06] Action: MLow-werk is looking for a good source of ultimate lithiums
[01:08] <MLow-werk> seems like $1.50 or so is best price
[01:09] <Zuph> Yep, that's a pretty good price
[01:09] <MLow-werk> i found 20pk for 25$
[01:09] <MLow-werk> 1.25$ ea
[01:10] <Darkside> http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2012/02/mass-effect-3-becomes-true-space-oddity-/1#.Tz2o2nIt09X
[01:11] <Lunar_Lander> btw MLow-werk
[01:12] <Lunar_Lander> 5.5 m/s could be a bit fast
[01:19] <MLow-werk> Darkside: haha
[01:20] <MLow-werk> well it is very conservative, shooting for <1000g payload
[01:21] <MLow-werk> that estimate is for heavier
[01:23] <MLow-werk> http://www.ebay.com/itm/50-Energizer-Lithium-AA-Batteries-Bulk-L91-FR6-1-5V-/330687625009?pt=US_Batteries&hash=item4cfe84b731#ht_500wt_950
[01:23] <MLow-werk> c0.70 ea
[01:23] <MLow-werk> wow
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[01:26] <Pavix> That's pretty cheap
[01:26] <Pavix> Even if you add the $5 for shipping, $35 for 50 aa rechargables
[01:26] <MLow-werk> said hes tested them to 1.7v, according to the datasheet thats full
[01:27] <MLow-werk> they arent rechargable
[01:27] <Pavix> oh
[01:27] <MLow-werk> but they work at -40c
[01:27] <MLow-werk> dont drop in voltage
[01:28] <MLow-werk> where as lithium ion and other rechargables act as a resistor at cold temps
[01:28] <MLow-werk> as well as drop in voltage output
[01:28] <MLow-werk> LiFeS2 are tested working for balloons
[01:30] <Lunar_Lander> Lithium-Iron-Sulphur?
[01:31] <SpeedEvil> the '1.5V' lithium
[01:34] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[01:46] <MLow-werk> disufate
[01:46] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[01:47] <MLow-werk> packs a mean punch those last a long time
[01:47] <MLow-werk> something like 2600mah
[01:48] <MLow-werk> http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/L91ULT_EU.pdf
[01:48] <MLow-werk> if it tests 1.7v as open circuit then it's full
[01:49] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[01:50] <MLow-werk> so ya, 70c a cell is pretty awesome
[01:50] <Lunar_Lander> when we had the electrochemical voltage chart in school, I postulated Lithium-Gold batteries
[01:50] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[01:50] <MLow-werk> dunno how i feel about buying 35$ worth of batteries though
[01:50] Action: SpeedEvil is sort-of-pondering $1K worth.
[01:50] <MLow-werk> id imagine those would conduct well
[01:53] <MLow-werk> i made piss for wage and work my ass of for it...so yeah
[01:53] <MLow-werk> i ponder about 35$ haha
[01:55] <MLow-werk> thats like a whole shift worth wage for me
[01:57] <Lunar_Lander> YAY I found the Duracell LiFeS on Ebay
[02:00] <MLow-werk> what are they called?
[02:02] <Lunar_Lander> Duracell Ultra LiFeS Lithium AA LF1500 Lf6
[02:02] <Pavix> Hmm, I wonder if http://www.ebay.com/itm/Trimble-Lassen-iQ-Micro12-Channel-46240-10-GPS-/160688714438?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2569cb32c6 is the same thing as http://www.sparkfun.com/products/163
[02:02] <Pavix> PN doesnt seem to match
[02:10] <MLow-werk> high altitude/
[02:10] <MLow-werk> ?
[02:12] <Pavix> Yea
[02:13] <Pavix> I've read that the Lassen IQ series doesnt have the problem of shutting down at 60,000 feet
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[02:20] <MLow-werk> i got mine from argent data and it says it works up there, only 38$ with patch antenna already affixed
[02:20] <MLow-werk> 41 shipped
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[02:28] <Pavix> So earlier, I talked to a guy. He moved from one division in our company to another. When he moved the gave him a new blackberry. He said he had a crapton of contacts saved to the SIM on the old blackberry and wanted to keep them. So whoever talked to him back then said "Sure, use your T-Mobile sim on your Sprint phone" instead of just having the guy import the contacts to the phone then use the new SIM.Somehow it worked until about 2 day
[02:30] <MLow-werk> my brain
[02:30] <Pavix> So now he's having to dig for his original sim that came with the sprint phone a year ago, and import his contacts
[02:30] <MLow-werk> this story
[02:30] <MLow-werk> cool
[02:30] <Pavix> Not so much
[02:31] <MLow-werk> i was being nice
[02:31] <Pavix> I could smell your indifference through the internet :P
[02:31] <MLow-werk> thats my soul you smell
[02:32] <Lunar_Lander> did you find the batteries MLow-werk?
[02:32] <MLow-werk> why didnt my name highlight
[02:32] <MLow-werk> wtf is going on
[02:33] <MLow-werk> http://www.ebay.com/itm/50-Energizer-Lithium-AA-Batteries-Bulk-L91-FR6-1-5V-/330687625009?pt=US_Batteries&hash=item4cfe84b731#ht_500wt_950 is the ones I found
[02:39] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[02:39] <Lunar_Lander> it's strange that they don't explicity say on the batteries that they are LiFeS
[02:39] <MLow-werk> look good to u?
[02:41] <MLow-werk> because they are consumer packaged?
[02:41] <Lunar_Lander> no, I mean that Energizer doesn't print it on them
[02:41] <Lunar_Lander> just "ultimate lithium"
[02:43] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: the generla consumer doesnt care what chemistry it is
[02:43] <Darkside> but the general consumer recognises 'lithium' as being a good kind of battery
[02:43] <Darkside> thanks to lots of marketing
[02:43] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[02:43] <Darkside> hence: Energizer Lithium
[02:43] <Lunar_Lander> but well, when lifes is better
[02:43] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[02:43] <Lunar_Lander> true
[02:49] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[02:49] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside: did you see us talking about the 808 cameras earlier?
[02:58] <Darkside> yeah
[02:58] <Darkside> they're shithouse
[02:59] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[02:59] <Zuph> heh
[02:59] <Lunar_Lander> someone opened up a Jumbo 808 on youtube and found a URL printed on the PCB inside
[02:59] <Zuph> That's a good way to put it.
[02:59] <Lunar_Lander> he said "you can go there if you want"
[02:59] <Lunar_Lander> but myWOT says the website is crap
[03:00] <Lunar_Lander> so probably better not to go there
[03:03] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside: in the same video, the guy first unboxed the camera, have a look at the box http://s.gullipics.com/image/n/q/c/5yvppx-j2ziku-077g/img.png
[03:05] <MLow-werk> im thinking about saving some space and just doing LDO regs for my aprs tracker
[03:06] <MLow-werk> planned on doing a switching supply module
[03:13] <Darkside> MLow-werk: means you need more batteries
[03:13] <Darkside> we run our APRS tracker of 2xAAs :-)
[03:16] <MLow-werk> 4 would do pretty nicely
[03:17] <MLow-werk> how long do 2 ultimate lithiums last you, with an HX1 right?
[03:17] <Darkside> uhmmmmm
[03:17] <Darkside> we've never had it running longer than about 4 hours
[03:18] <Darkside> but we expect it to last about a day
[03:18] <Darkside> maybe longer
[03:18] <MLow-werk> whats your duty cycle on the hx1?
[03:22] <Darkside> uhmm
[03:22] <Darkside> we beacon every 30 seconds
[03:22] <MLow-werk> wow
[03:22] <MLow-werk> maybe I over estimated the power consumption
[03:22] <Darkside> hey, we like to know where the thing is :-)
[03:25] <MLow-werk> ok somethings fubar on my server
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[03:31] <MLow-werk> php died or something
[03:36] <Pavix> Is it offering php files as file downloads?
[03:36] <MLow-werk> yeah i fixed it
[03:36] <MLow-werk> thats what it was doing
[03:36] <Pavix> I hate when it does that
[03:37] <MLow-werk> so like
[03:37] <MLow-werk> im running BIND as a dns server
[03:38] <MLow-werk> and im trying to give goDaddy my ip and names servers and junk
[03:38] <MLow-werk> so that mlowrie.com works right
[03:38] <Pavix> yea
[03:38] <MLow-werk> they require 2 IP
[03:39] <MLow-werk> to register a nameserver
[03:39] <Pavix> So tell bind to listen on 2 IPs
[03:39] <MLow-werk> i only have 1
[03:39] <Pavix> how important is it for you to host
[03:39] <Pavix> DNS yourself
[03:39] <MLow-werk> more of a learning thing
[03:40] <Pavix> Gotcha, you can give them your IP as the primary, then use freedns.afraid.org as the second for redundancy
[03:40] <MLow-werk> really?
[03:41] <Pavix> Yea, they have a sanity check where if they're not the only authority they complain, but they'll still insert your records
[03:41] <Pavix> web based GUI, free obviously
[03:41] <MLow-werk> huh
[03:41] <MLow-werk> now i gotta email the guy who owns my domain(long story)
[03:42] <Pavix> you'll spend time duplicating your work, creating the same records in bind and on their gui, but it'll get you started
[03:42] <MLow-werk> already did my records
[03:42] <MLow-werk> hm they didnt send me an email
[03:43] <Pavix> The interface is pretty intuitive, even does AAAA records if you want to get into IPv6
[03:43] <MLow-werk> not right now but mayhaps
[03:43] <Pavix> I've used em since 2002ish.
[03:44] <Pavix> AND I believe he runs FreeBSD :D
[03:45] <MLow-werk> not sure where their settings are to do dns
[03:46] <Pavix> once you've added the domain you click on subdomains on the left
[03:46] <Pavix> You'll see your domain, click the add button
[03:47] <MLow-werk> seems like i have to allow people to use my domain for subdomain usage?
[03:47] <Pavix> No, it just limits the amount of subdomains you can use
[03:47] <Pavix> But by default it grabs www, irc, mail and ftp for you
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[03:49] <MLow-werk> http://freedns.afraid.org/queue/explanation.php
[03:51] <Pavix> Right, private domains go through an "approval" process where anyone can create subdomains on your domain but you can choose to reject them. Paid members get invisible flags to keep other people from seeing the domain
[03:54] <MLow-werk> heh
[03:54] <MLow-werk> maybe i'll just see if my vps host has nameservers for me to use
[03:54] <Pavix> Or another IP
[03:58] <MLow-werk> 20$/year
[03:59] <Pavix> For another IP?
[04:00] <MLow-werk> yeah
[04:00] <Pavix> You're probably spending about $5 a month for the VPS?
[04:00] <MLow-werk> something like that
[04:01] <MLow-werk> paid yearly got a deal
[04:04] <Pavix> you can cut that price a little, but then you get into fly-by-night hosts. I've seen some vps's as cheap as $2 a month on WHT, not really worth the risk from someone unknown
[04:04] <MLow-werk> mine is 1gb ram dual core 2ghz
[04:04] <Pavix> Nice
[04:05] <MLow-werk> 20gb disk, and 1tb bandwidth
[04:05] <MLow-werk> i reinstalled the OS 14 days ago and it's still up
[04:05] <Pavix> CentOS?
[04:05] <MLow-werk> any you want
[04:06] <MLow-werk> i did ubuntu
[04:06] <MLow-werk> simply cause im familiar
[04:06] <MLow-werk> i put webmin on it, and irssi :P
[04:07] <MLow-werk> total disk used right now is 1.7gb
[04:07] <MLow-werk> with all my stuff running
[04:08] <MLow-werk> 311mb ram
[04:08] <MLow-werk> so, heavy on the ram considering
[04:08] <Lunar_Lander> good night
[04:08] <MLow-werk> i figured with 1gb it's worth the familiarity of ubuntu
[04:08] <MLow-werk> night Lunar_Lander
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[04:09] <Pavix> right, hopefully they did a headless install
[04:09] <Pavix> No reason for a X to be running on a vps
[04:09] <MLow-werk> its out in dallas
[04:09] <MLow-werk> in a server farm, doubt its got a head
[04:10] <MLow-werk> i get like 6ms ping to it
[04:10] <MLow-werk> shh feels like a real terminal window :P
[04:11] <Pavix> That's pretty good response times
[04:12] <MLow-werk> maaan i want to go home
[04:12] <MLow-werk> this is crazy overtime
[04:13] <Pavix> Gotta love the money though
[04:13] <MLow-werk> i make nothing man
[04:14] <MLow-werk> you can transfer a domain from one godaddy account to another right?
[04:14] <Pavix> If we do overtime we're offered either half pay for the time, or time and a half off. Almost everyone takes the time and a half off :P
[04:14] <Pavix> Hmm, I've never tried but I don't see why you couldnt
[04:15] <MLow-werk> thats what the guy who owns my domain should do
[04:15] <MLow-werk> cause hes acting like he cant figure it out and doesnt have time, but i asked if he could transfer it and he never got around to it
[04:15] <MLow-werk> oh well
[04:15] <MLow-werk> imma go get some mcD's
[04:16] <Pavix> They have a contact center where I live, if you can deal with pushy sales weasles you can call them
[04:29] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Lots done 2nite! Payload monitor pc & mission control setup started, rigging prototype made, balloon patched for sci center demo #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/170364295840931840]
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[04:55] <MLow> bought those batteries
[04:55] <MLow> lets see how that works out
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[05:33] <MLow> my hx1 keeps keying up
[05:34] <MLow> aside from when it's supposed to
[05:41] <Pavix> I bought a arduino uno, a logger shield, that lassen IQ GPS, a few AA battery holders, a 9v 2.1mm battery adapter, a openlogger, the BMP085. I think I just need some micro SD cards, the powershot and the olympus and I should be golden
[05:44] <MLow> right on
[05:44] <MLow> whats the radio
[05:44] <Pavix> No radio
[05:45] <MLow> uh
[05:45] <MLow> tracking?
[05:45] <Pavix> gps to openlogging. Recovery will be done with seekdroid and my android phone
[05:46] <MLow> ah
[05:46] <MLow> so a cell phone on it?
[05:46] <Pavix> Yea
[05:47] <MLow> hm
[05:47] <MLow> not ideal, but proven to work
[05:48] <Pavix> Yea, should be ok
[05:49] <MLow> seems like a standard aprs would be more the way to go but to each their own
[05:49] <MLow> what you doing for helium, thats my snag
[05:50] <Pavix> I talked to one of the guys in town and he says he doesnt have any. I'll have to call some of the other places. Lots of welding shops in our area, I should be able to get some.
[05:51] <Pavix> The question is, how much
[05:53] <MLow> a K tank is what im thinking
[05:53] <MLow> 120cu ft
[05:54] <Pavix> Any idea on the cost of that much gas?
[05:54] <MLow> no idea
[05:55] <MLow> closest estimate ive had is 85$ is cheap
[05:55] <MLow> for the rental of the tank and gas
[05:55] <MLow> for 24hrs
[05:55] <MLow> dolly + regulator adds more
[05:56] <Pavix> I figured it'd be expensive, Spent about $140 on what I bought just now. Add another $100 for a powershot, $50 for the olympus, $100 for the balloon, $100 for the android phone + $35 for a months service,
[05:57] <MLow> im doing about 150$ for the tracker, 50 for the balloon, 85 for gas
[05:57] <MLow> 100 or so for random bits
[05:57] <MLow> and i got a powershot with chdk for 33
[05:57] <Pavix> wow
[05:57] <Pavix> that's cheap
[05:57] <Pavix> craigslist?
[05:57] <MLow> ebay
[05:57] <MLow> a560
[05:58] <MLow> 7.1mp and a pretty good ccd
[06:00] <MLow> tracker all build by me, modified trackuino, lots of code changes and new hardware, gps etc
[06:00] <Pavix> wow, those are cheap.
[06:01] <MLow> need a ham callsign so add 15 if thats all you use it for
[06:02] <MLow> 30 question multiple choice easy as pie
[06:03] <MLow> im going to blog about the construction, but im not too motivated seeing as my domain is all broken
[06:05] <Pavix> Yea, I bought an old domain I had just to blog about it. My first post got sidetracked due to a twitter conversation about iphone vs android but that's a whole nother can of worms
[06:06] <MLow> yeah..android
[06:07] <MLow> obvious which is better
[06:08] <Pavix> That was my conclusion as well. A big factor in that is that I bought my no contract android for 100 bucks. The iPhone is 550 or so without a contract. I went into hardware differences but really they both have cameras, both have gps, both have extensive app stores, both have wifi and bluetooth
[06:09] <MLow> both have open source sdk's that let you write and publish apps for free that can utilizeall those hardware feature
[06:09] <MLow> o wait
[06:09] <MLow> :p
[06:09] <Pavix> right :P android really wins there
[06:10] <MLow> sent from my android haha
[06:10] <Pavix> And I don't believe rooting your device is against the AUP from google, where as I'm certain jailbraking your iphone is
[06:11] <MLow> connectbot ssh'd into an irssi proccess on a linux box
[06:11] <MLow> over 4g
[06:11] <Pavix> Hopefully Verizon 4G
[06:12] <MLow> tmo
[06:12] <MLow> betterr
[06:12] <Pavix> The girlfriend has a Samsung Galaxy S II, big screen. We're on sprint and it's dreadfully slow
[06:12] <MLow> 22mbps down
[06:13] <MLow> only 2mbps up but better than most
[06:14] <MLow> wish there was a bigger US bassed balloon crowd
[06:14] <MLow> based*
[06:15] <Pavix> I think there is, they're just not as vocal. smaller groups. Probably hacker space crowds
[06:15] <MLow> yeah i dont like them
[06:15] <MLow> the, lets do this stuff but not reveal anything or document it at all, groups
[06:15] <Pavix> Right
[06:16] <MLow> takes the fun out of it
[06:16] <Pavix> Noone outside of the group can learn doing that
[06:16] <MLow> hacker spaces are all about the members
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[06:17] <MLow> not documentation and whatnot
[06:17] <Pavix> what works, what doesnt, how bad it doesnt work...costs, it should all be shared
[06:17] <MLow> exactly, wiki is good, videos and a blog i think are best
[06:17] <Pavix> Yea
[06:18] <MLow> with links to where i buy thinks
[06:18] <MLow> things*
[06:18] <MLow> all the secrets
[06:19] <Pavix> Thats part of the excitement, saying to yourself "I know where to get all that stuff and I can budget for it all"
[06:21] <MLow> being able to see that you can do it, not everyone wants to beat the entire path alone
[06:21] <MLow> even so,anyone w
[06:22] <MLow> can take the info you provide
[06:22] <MLow> and make their own version
[06:22] <Pavix> Yep
[06:23] <MLow> for me its been crazy
[06:24] <MLow> my hx1 didnt work for the longest time, and it tooka few email sessions to coax the info from a company that used to use the hx1
[06:24] <MLow> there have been times i lost hope
[06:24] <MLow> that the project is too hard
[06:24] <Pavix> Hmm, I'm finding these A560's by the bunches for ~$50. Thanks for the tip, I may be able to afford putting 2 still cameras in the payload
[06:25] <Pavix> I know the feeling
[06:25] <MLow> np, there is also another firmware to switch to movie mod and shoot video then back to stills
[06:25] <Pavix> The boat project I'm on, very very slow progress....turtle slow
[06:26] <MLow> boat?
[06:26] <Pavix> Trans-atlantic solar powered hobby boat
[06:26] <MLow> wow cool
[06:27] <Pavix> Tons of electrical engineering going into it, way above what I'm capable of. My friend moved to South Dakota so it's put things on hold for a bit
[06:27] <MLow> ah
[06:27] <Pavix> Object avoidance being one of the biggest, tankers, cargo ships, military ships...oh my
[06:28] <MLow> legallity?
[06:28] <Pavix> No legal issues so far
[06:28] <MLow> also, lake trials would be fun
[06:28] <Pavix> Yea, those are a must. No reason to spend $4000 to have something sink 20 miles out
[06:29] <MLow> yeah
[06:30] <MLow> so what made you wanna do stuff with balloons
[06:30] <Pavix> The pictures...amazing pictures.
[06:31] <Pavix> I wanna be able to say I did that, I was able to take some killer shots
[06:31] <MLow> yeah thats part my reasoning, mostly, space
[06:32] <MLow> anything to do with sapce is my goal
[06:32] <Pavix> Lots of exciting stuff out there
[06:33] <MLow> yeah i grew up on trek
[06:34] <Pavix> Are you talking Picard?
[06:37] <MLow> and kirk
[06:37] <MLow> both kicked ass
[06:38] <MLow> i watched it all tho, voyager and ds9
[06:38] <Pavix> I loved DS9
[06:38] <Pavix> Even watched Babylon 5
[06:38] <Pavix> not a trek thing of course
[06:40] <Pavix> Anyway, Gotta get some sleep, work tomorrow. afk. Nice talkin to you
[06:41] <MLow> yeah samd
[06:41] <MLow> same*
[06:42] <MLow> t'care
[07:31] <fsphil> aaah Babylon 5
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[07:42] <eroomde> that was hard work
[07:45] <UpuWork> morning
[07:45] <UpuWork> did this channel just get turned in to Kirk vs Picard chat
[07:48] <eroomde> heh, jcoxon just emailed me this: http://blog.makezine.com/2012/02/16/flying-bots-spot-paradrop-targets-with-hacked-ar-code/
[07:49] <eroomde> this is fazackerly what we were talking about when parafoils were Definitely The Way Forward In HAB
[07:49] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] Re: habitat upload totals"
[07:49] <eroomde> which was aperiod of a couple of weeks in like 2006
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[07:53] <daveake> Ah, a nice long rod first thing in the morning ...
[07:54] <daveake> ..... the Watson collinear has arrived :)
[07:56] <Darkside> yeeeeeeep
[07:56] <daveake> Shame no-one's flying this weekend so I could try out my new kit :p
[07:56] <eroomde> daveake: please tell me how it turns out
[07:57] <eroomde> was thinking of exactly that for the rig at work
[07:57] <daveake> Will do.
[07:58] <eroomde> which one did you get daveake ?
[07:58] <daveake> W-300 - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300660186934?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_3014wt_1396
[07:59] <eroomde> the biggun
[07:59] <daveake> Would have got a smaller one but ti was cheap, like me :)
[07:59] <daveake> Still, height matters
[07:59] <eroomde> that might stick up above the lightening conductor where i want to put it
[07:59] <eroomde> which might not be sensible
[08:00] <daveake> er no ....
[08:00] <daveake> This will only go up for flights and I won't be doing that if there are storms about
[08:02] <eroomde> i ideally want to keep this one up permentantly
[08:02] <eroomde> so i can do remote tracking
[08:03] <eroomde> can dlfldigi be configured via cli?
[08:03] <eroomde> just thinking about configuring the listening pc remotely and not with a gui
[08:03] <MLow> wheres a good place to get a domain on the cheap?
[08:03] <MLow> want to test something
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[08:19] <UpuWork> MLow many places to get cheapy domanis
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[08:20] <UpuWork> try Go Daddy if you want to annoy PETA
[08:20] <UpuWork> http://www.peta.org/b/thepetafiles/archive/2011/03/29/go-daddy-ceo-named-scummiest-of-the-year.aspx
[08:21] <natrium> haha, he is a giant jerk
[08:21] <MLow> register.com reputable?
[08:21] <MLow> promo code gives me a domain for 1.99$
[08:22] <MLow> suppose it's more expensive after that year, but i could just transfer over to godaddy 6mo in
[08:22] <UpuWork> you tend to pay for 12 months
[08:22] <MLow> right, but i mean before it expires
[08:23] <UpuWork> don't see why not
[08:23] <MLow> im thinking i buy another domain just for balloon stuff
[08:24] <UpuWork> just make a subdomain hab.whateveryourdomainis.com
[08:24] <natrium> MLow: namecheap.com is another good option
[08:25] <MLow> well i dont currently own my domain
[08:25] <UpuWork> ok
[08:25] <MLow> someone else controls it and they have like zero time for me apparently
[08:26] <MLow> i asked him to change the nameservers to my server and gave him all the details, he said he did it
[08:26] <MLow> mlowrie.com
[08:26] <MLow> ^that is an IP redirect :|
[08:26] <natrium> lol, you should have control of your own domains :P
[08:27] <MLow> yeah..
[08:27] <MLow> kinda hard to get ahold of him to change it...maybe some day
[08:29] <UpuWork> Franklin Flint
[08:29] <UpuWork> ?
[08:29] <MLow> yeah thats not me
[08:29] <MLow> whois.net is fun
[08:33] <MLow> kf5kwe.com
[08:33] <MLow> F yeah, a fake address and my name
[08:37] <MLow> http://kf5kwe.com/ works
[08:37] <MLow> hell ya
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[08:53] <MLow> hm seems a bit messed up
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[09:07] <nosebleedkt_> Good morning!
[09:08] <nosebleedkt_> LVM is on the menu this day at work :)
[09:14] <cuddykid> seed studio order moved to processing :D
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[09:18] <UpuWork> has Monkey sent you a mail yet ?
[09:31] <cuddykid> no :S
[09:34] <cuddykid> http://news.sky.com/home/technology/article/16170920
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[09:46] <MLow> http://kf5kwe.com seems to be working woot
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[09:55] <MLow> www breaks it though lol
[10:11] <costyn> UpuWork: hiya, question: "Suitable for HAB Usage Max Altitude 50,000 meters in Flight Mode." is there another mode to use them higher? or is that really the limit?
[10:13] <costyn> UpuWork: oh wait... meters... silly me
[10:13] Action: costyn saw the huge number and somehow it registered as feet hehe
[10:13] <cuddykid> I was wondering the same - if I did peruse this rocket thing then I would ideally want it to work >50km
[10:14] <costyn> 50KM should be enough for most HABbers
[10:15] <cuddykid> yeah, for standard HAB, with rockoon though, I'm hoping that I would eventually get somewhere above 50km
[10:16] <costyn> that's... ambitious :)
[10:17] <fsphil> http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/i-H2GFzfk/0/L/i-H2GFzfk-XL.jpg
[10:17] <fsphil> on topic penny arcade :)
[10:17] <fsphil> and factually correct, yay
[10:19] <daveake> :D
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[10:23] <MLow> i feel jelous every hab project seems to have a cool name
[10:24] <fsphil> "hadie" sounds like an old woman
[10:24] <MLow> hadie?
[10:25] <x-f> hadie is an acronym, it's perfectly ok
[10:25] <fsphil> my hab project
[10:25] <fsphil> high altitude digital imaging experiment ;)
[10:25] <MLow> ah
[10:25] <MLow> yeah
[10:25] <daveake> High Altitude Ditch In sEa
[10:25] <fsphil> though I did some up with the name for the Swift project
[10:25] <daveake> or trEe
[10:26] <fsphil> lol
[10:26] <fsphil> that'd be about right
[10:26] <UpuWork> Hey costyn
[10:26] <UpuWork> let me check that for you
[10:26] <costyn> UpuWork: you mean my email?
[10:26] <UpuWork> yeah
[10:26] <costyn> ok thx
[10:26] <UpuWork> internation signed ?
[10:27] <UpuWork> international signed or is it just not bringing any up ?
[10:27] <costyn> not bringing any up
[10:27] <costyn> can send you screenshot if you want
[10:27] <UpuWork> wierd ok give me a few mins
[10:27] <UpuWork> yes pls
[10:28] <UpuWork> International Signed is enabled
[10:28] <UpuWork> try now
[10:29] <costyn> works, thanks!
[10:29] <costyn> getting airmail too now
[10:29] <UpuWork> nps sorry about that
[10:29] <costyn> no worries
[10:32] <MLow> wow rain
[10:33] <MLow> that was unexpected
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[10:36] <UpuWork> got it costyn thanks
[10:37] <UpuWork> I'll ship as soon as the PCB's are in stock
[10:38] <UpuWork> thanks for testing the international posting module :)
[10:43] <costyn> UpuWork: no probs, look forward to playing with them
[10:43] <costyn> now to finda line level converter
[10:45] <UpuWork> well yes I'm going to do a board with the level conversion built in for Arduino / 5V users
[10:45] <UpuWork> I think that will sell well outside the HAb community too
[10:45] <MLow> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kester-EP256-Lead-Solder-Paste-63-37-Syringe-Disp-Pak-/350526784251?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item519d0642fb#ht_2257wt_818
[10:46] <costyn> UpuWork: ah that would be nice yes, then it really would be plug and play :)
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[11:30] <daveake> Ping UpuWork
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[11:40] <UpuWork> hey DanielRichman
[11:40] <UpuWork> doh
[11:40] <UpuWork> daveake
[11:40] <UpuWork> sorry Dan..
[11:40] <daveake> s'ok - figured out the answer myself just now :)
[11:40] <eroomde> there are 7 D[tab] options here atm
[11:40] <eroomde> too confusing
[11:40] <UpuWork> what was the question ? :)
[11:40] <number10> thats why I didnt use a david nick
[11:41] <daveake> The W-300 comes in 2 sections, and the bottom one has a hollow rod with screw fitting at the top. I couldn't see how to gain access to the rod inside the top section so I could screw that in. Now I realise that a few hard taps and it falls out of the tube :)
[11:42] <UpuWork> mines not as big as yours and doesn't come in two sections
[11:42] <UpuWork> be sure to quote me on that out of context at some point
[11:42] <daveake> So you would have been useless anyway? :p
[11:42] <UpuWork> yup :)
[11:43] <daveake> Yeah, mine is so long it comes in 2 sections for easy transport
[11:45] <daveake> So I now have a long rod and a long pole .... just need the FT790 to turn up then I'm ready. Oh, and just need someone to launch :)
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[12:34] <gonzo_> a quick calc suggests that the difference in sig strength between an overhead hab and one at the horison, at 30km up
[12:34] <gonzo_> is about 26dB
[12:35] <gonzo_> so theoretically, a high gain beam, omni pointing hotisontal should be fine
[12:35] <gonzo_> beam/omni
[12:36] <SpeedEvil> Are you neglecting the fact omnis have massive drop in gain from upwards?
[12:36] <SpeedEvil> and indeed downwards
[12:36] <gonzo_> yep, but even a gianyomni is going to be 26db down?
[12:37] <SpeedEvil> I mean - if you don't neglect the massive drop in sensitivity vertically, you get the ratio wrong
[12:38] <gonzo_> the nulls in omnis are not that deep in reality
[12:38] <gonzo_> or medium gain yagis for that matter
[12:39] <gonzo_> (I'm assuming an iso antanna at the hab, which is not the practical case though)
[12:40] <gonzo_> most of my experience is with sat rx, where they take great care to get an iso ish pattern
[12:42] <gonzo_> Am I correct thinking astra1 is due up tomorrow?
[12:50] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thats was in 1988 gonzo :-)
[12:50] <OZ1SKY_Brian> your abit late on that :-)
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[12:54] <gonzo_> hehe, well the spacenear has developed a wormhole in stasis
[12:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gonzo_ great, can it bring back ao40 too?
[12:55] <gonzo_> how I wish, that was a good bird
[12:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes it was
[12:56] <gonzo_> I was listening for it coming over the horison when it didn't. Whish was only 20mins or so after is's last tx
[12:57] <gonzo_> thought it was f
[12:57] <gonzo_> a prob at my stn, on;ly to hr the bad news later
[12:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yeah i miss it alot too, not much fun up there anymore
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[12:59] <gonzo_> the s band was fun too. Listening to armchair copy at 2400meg, from apogee
[12:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> wuhu just heard on the radio that darth vader is comming to our local toysrus and i can meet him. lol
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[13:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gonzo_ yes i got a G3RUH? 2.4 kit and got to use it for a handfull qsos before it all went down the drain.
[13:00] <gonzo_> the original actor?
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[13:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gonzo_ my gess is a local worker or student dressed up :-)
[13:01] <gonzo_> my first qso afteryears of qrt was ao40, uhf up, S down, rtty to ukraine
[13:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> rtty on ao40? didnt hear that
[13:01] <gonzo_> prob same bloke who dresses up as santa too
[13:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gonzo_ yeah hehe
[13:01] <UpuWork> I just went to find a picture of a cos play female vader I once saw for giggles but found this instead :
[13:01] <daveake> s/Have you been a good biy, son?/You are my son
[13:02] <UpuWork> http://www.eons.com/images/members/2008/10/31/2/3/23046452217624173656_610w.jpeg
[13:02] <gonzo_> was 50db 800hz ish, and a sod to tune for doppler
[13:02] <daveake> oh that's wierd
[13:02] <gonzo_> right, gotta go, laters
[13:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> my old setup for it http://oz1sky.smart-tech.dk/amsat/index.htm
[13:04] <UpuWork> thats a Tonna for the uplink isn't it ?
[13:04] <UpuWork> and afternoon
[13:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> its a flexayagi16
[13:05] <UpuWork> ok
[13:05] <UpuWork> I'm putting up a pair of Yagi's to do this
[13:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> afternoon upu
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[13:06] <UpuWork> I joined AMSAT a month or two ago
[13:06] <UpuWork> building a rotator controller
[13:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sounds great upu
[13:07] <UpuWork> Just waiting for some warmer and less icey weather to get it all up on the roof
[13:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yeah its been bad here too, but today its pretty nice
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[13:18] <SpeedEvil> http://idle.slashdot.org/story/12/02/16/2320224/man-digs-out-basement-using-radio-controlled-toy-tractors - DOING IT WRONG
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> And strangely right at the same time
[13:19] <SamSilver> I have even watch a few of his vids
[13:19] <daveake> Ah, I posted that here during the week :-)
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> I've idly been wondering about a _deep_ shaft
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> ~30cm or so diameter, down a few dozen meters.
[13:23] <costyn> SpeedEvil: ground source heat pump?
[13:23] <Elwell> UpuWork: already had the az/el rotors at the club, but no computer control. I knocked up one of the LVB trackers in an evening for it. http://shop.amsat.org.uk/shop/article_9/LVB-Tracker---Basic-Kit.html
[13:23] <UpuWork> yeah I've made something similar to the LVB
[13:23] <UpuWork> we got a front made to mount the panel its been made at one of these 3d printing places
[13:24] <UpuWork> just an Arduino in it
[13:24] <UpuWork> cheapest way
[13:24] <UpuWork> Arduino and 4 transistors
[13:24] <Elwell> front panel? err right
[13:24] <UpuWork> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOafqCpF8KU
[13:25] <UpuWork> got a display on it
[13:25] <Elwell> sits somewhere on the end of a bit of wire behind desk :-)
[13:25] <UpuWork> bit dark
[13:25] <UpuWork> no no no :) I wanted a display :)
[13:25] <UpuWork> the AZ/EL controller can be behind the desk :)
[13:26] <UpuWork> Confuses the dog http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVVnXDNhAsk
[13:27] <SpeedEvil> costyn: yes
[13:27] <Elwell> labrador?
[13:28] <UpuWork> Patterdale Terrier
[13:29] <costyn> SpeedEvil: I'd like one too :) but not very easily done in a small backyard. Anyways, does the CoP of an airsource heat pump change as the outside temp changes (gets colder?)
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[13:30] <fsphil> SpeedEvil, underground lair!
[13:30] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: that too
[13:30] <SpeedEvil> costyn: yes
[13:30] <SpeedEvil> costyn: One way to make it lots more efficient is an 'earth tube'
[13:31] <SpeedEvil> costyn: This is a tube ~2-3m down or so, and ~50m or so long, that the intake air is drawn down
[13:31] <Elwell> SpeedEvil: canadian puit?
[13:32] <SpeedEvil> The best toshiba inverter pumps get ~7 with 15C input, and ~4 with 0C or so
[13:32] <SpeedEvil> Elwell: ?
[13:32] <costyn> SpeedEvil: ok, well my airco has a heatpump in it (work very wel), but it's on top of the 2nd story roof, so that's not really an option :)
[13:32] <Elwell> http://www.onpeutlefaire.com/fichestechniques/ft-puits-canadien.php
[13:33] <SpeedEvil> That sort of thing.
[13:33] <costyn> ah clever
[13:33] <SpeedEvil> Ideally, you also want to arrange it so you can use wind to pump air through the tube in the summer
[13:34] <SpeedEvil> Perhaps even pump solar heated air into it.
[13:34] <costyn> yea
[13:34] <SpeedEvil> For example, imagine a greenhouse over the end.
[13:34] <SpeedEvil> And whenever the temp gets over 25C, you turn on a small fan
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[15:30] <UpuWork> habhub/kraken/ukhas is just about to blip
[15:30] <UpuWork> actually
[15:30] <UpuWork> ignore
[15:30] <eroomde> resetting?
[15:30] <UpuWork> wrong DC
[15:30] <eroomde> ok cool
[15:30] <eroomde> else i would die
[15:30] <UpuWork> it was nessie that was here
[15:30] Action: daveake goes back to sleep
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[15:36] <daveake> I see that the Newbury Amateur Radio Society have an OSCAR satellite comms presentation at the next meeting, which is next Wednesday evening. Anyone else fancy going along?
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[15:48] <eroomde> daveake: who's giving it?
[15:53] <daveake> says " Chris M0DQO"
[15:53] <daveake> http://www.nadars.org.uk/events.asp
[15:55] <eroomde> i can't help but memorise my postcode as a hex number
[15:55] <eroomde> so i always enter it wrong into gmaps
[15:55] <daveake> Cgris Bloy
[15:55] <daveake> h
[15:56] <eroomde> OX20BB which i just see as: 0x20bb
[15:56] <daveake> lol
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[15:59] <eroomde> think it might be a bit far for me daveake
[15:59] <daveake> ok :(
[15:59] <eroomde> 1hr 25 drive from work
[15:59] <daveake> yeah that is a bit much
[16:00] <eroomde> for a ham talk it is a bit
[16:00] <daveake> :)
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[16:59] <daveake> O/T, but so true ... http://thumbsnap.com/i/f8nOk37e.png
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[17:09] <fsphil> totaly
[17:10] <daveake> must resist ... must resist ... :)
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[17:15] <fsphil> xchat catches most of my typos. I think if I turned it off you may go mad
[17:16] <number10> is that a plugin to xchat or a feature by default fsphil ?
[17:16] <fsphil> seems to be built in
[17:16] <fsphil> it highlights the spelling mistakes, right clicking usually gets the right suggestion
[17:17] <number10> if I try it, no one will recognise me :D
[17:17] <fsphil> all I need now is a grammar checker :)
[17:17] <daveake> <old_fart_mode>When I types up my final year university project, it was on a real typewriter. I kept misspelling "buffer" as "bugger". That of course was followed by me muttering "bugger" and reaching for the Tipp-ex</ofm>
[17:18] <daveake> typed lol
[17:18] <number10> silly old buffer
[17:18] <daveake> :D
[17:20] <fsphil> you totally buffered up that one
[17:20] <daveake> buffer off
[17:20] <fsphil> my programs do that sometimes
[17:20] <number10> ham joke comming..
[17:21] <number10> you're a bit of an emitter follower
[17:22] <daveake> I'd argue, but I have nothing to gain
[17:22] <number10> ooh so you remember your typwriter days
[17:22] <number10> +e
[17:23] <daveake> They did have an impact on me
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[17:31] <daveake_> buffer
[17:31] <Randomskk> hey guys
[17:31] <daveake_> evening
[17:31] <number10> hi
[17:31] <Randomskk> what noun would you use to group "rtty", "olivia", "psk31", and so forth?
[17:32] <Randomskk> as in, rtty and olivia are both ___s
[17:32] <SpeedEvil> Modulation schemes.
[17:32] <Randomskk> great because my next question was what you'd use to group USB, LSB and FM
[17:32] <SpeedEvil> Modulations, even
[17:32] <Randomskk> and the catch is they have to be distinct
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> Data transmission standards then
[17:33] <Randomskk> additionally I think USB and LSB are subtly not the same as SSB
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[17:33] <Randomskk> SSB and FM might be comparable, but the set I want to identify contains FM, LSB and USB
[17:33] <Randomskk> SpeedEvil: ideally one word :P
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> Hmm
[17:33] <Randomskk> "mode" has been kicked around
[17:33] <Randomskk> but I think it describes both LSB and RTTY
[17:33] <Randomskk> I think "modulation" describes both too
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> There are two seperate concepts.
[17:34] <Randomskk> indeed
[17:34] <Randomskk> "protocol" is more generic, could also describe both
[17:34] <Randomskk> digimode and radiomode are potentially options
[17:34] <Randomskk> though I'm not entirely happy with that
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> First, you have the channel modulation. FSK, AM, LSB, ... then you have the signal modulation, RTTY, RS232, olivia
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> In some cases these merge - PSK31
[17:35] <Randomskk> indeed
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> But RS232 has no defined over-the-air encoding
[17:35] <Randomskk> actually RS232 has well defined baseband/over-the-line encoding
[17:35] <Randomskk> with voltages and so forth
[17:36] <SpeedEvil> yes - line encoding, sure
[17:36] <Randomskk> I'd probably say anything transmitted over radio isn't RS232
[17:36] <Randomskk> RTTY is pretty much identical though
[17:36] <Randomskk> same start/data/stop bits and so forth
[17:36] <Randomskk> well -- for certain definitions of RTTY.
[17:36] <SpeedEvil> Indeed - but they differ a bit.
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[17:36] <SpeedEvil> Proper rtty uses baudot, forex
[17:36] <Randomskk> agreed
[17:37] <Randomskk> so you can see how this leaves me in a bit of a dilemma, unless I actually call them "channel modulation" and "source modulation" or "signal modulation"
[17:37] <SpeedEvil> Though RS232 can of course use EBDIC
[17:37] <SpeedEvil> What's the context?
[17:37] <Randomskk> but neither is as clear as I'd like
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[17:37] <Randomskk> field names for the configuration documents in habitat
[17:37] <SpeedEvil> ah
[17:37] Nick change: daveake__ -> daveake
[17:37] <Randomskk> crucially as they are now going to become part of the same object
[17:38] <daveake> stupid internet
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[17:42] <number10> encodement and modulation
[17:43] <Randomskk> encodement isn't a word :|
[17:43] <Randomskk> well
[17:43] <Randomskk> okay it is
[17:44] <Randomskk> but only just
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[17:45] <daveake> I'm having trouble herring your encodment
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[17:49] <nigelvh> Your encodment on my property isn't welcome.
[17:50] <daveake> Wrong plaice?
[17:50] <nigelvh> Depends on what "plaice" is.
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[17:52] <nigelvh> Really, it was a poorly formed pun, as "encodment" reminded me of "encroachment"
[17:52] <SamSilver_> oh buger
[17:53] <SamSilver_> smoking roach's out is going to make us very hungry
[17:53] <SamSilver_> I could munch on a elf
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[17:55] <daveake> I could murder a unicorn fish
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[18:12] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[18:14] <nigelvh> Yo
[18:15] <Lunar_Lander> how is the life?
[18:15] <nigelvh> Going pretty good. I continue to respirate and take in nutrients, so that's two good things.
[18:16] <nigelvh> Yourself?
[18:19] <fsphil> I think this channel has now used up it's share of freenodes pun quota
[18:20] <fsphil> (and yes daveake, the apostrophe should not be there ;)
[18:20] <nigelvh> I didn't necessarily mean it as a pun, but that works for me too.
[18:21] <fsphil> I mean what was going on earlier :)
[18:21] <nigelvh> Oh, yes, those were puns.
[18:21] <fsphil> we've not even started on our rhyming quota though
[18:22] <nigelvh> I suppose that makes this good timing
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> I'm good too, thanks
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> maybe you heard it
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> the federal president of Germany left office today
[18:24] <nigelvh> I'
[18:24] <nigelvh> m not terribly familiar with German politics.
[18:24] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:24] <nigelvh> It's hard enough keeping track of the idiots here in the US.
[18:24] <Lunar_Lander> the federal president is mostly representative
[18:24] <Lunar_Lander> most of the real work is done by the chancellor
[18:25] <nigelvh> So why did the federal president leave then?
[18:25] <fsphil> you do seem to have more than your fair share of crazy politicians there nigelvh
[18:25] <nigelvh> fsphil: unfortunately so....
[18:26] <Lunar_Lander> ah there were cases where friends of him borrowed him their holiday houses for free and stuff
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[18:26] <nigelvh> Fortunately, here in washington, my representatives seem to be slightly less crazy, so I suppose that's good.
[18:26] <Lunar_Lander> and he also had a private credit of which the details aren't really clear
[18:26] <nigelvh> Ah, financial scandal. A classic.
[18:26] <fsphil> he was a bit frech
[18:27] <nigelvh> I'm not sure if that was a spelling error or one of those "english english" words, but I don't know what "frech" means.
[18:28] <Lunar_Lander> xD fsphil
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[18:30] <fsphil> german word for naughty I think
[18:30] <fsphil> it better be anyway lol
[18:30] <fsphil> one of the dozen german words I think I know
[18:30] <Lunar_Lander> yeah fsphil, true
[18:30] <fsphil> phew
[18:31] <nigelvh> Works for me. I think I know lots of words.
[18:31] <Lunar_Lander> oh and then there is the BILD
[18:31] <fsphil> I used to listen to german radio stations (better dance music in the 90s), picked up a couple of words
[18:31] <Lunar_Lander> which is like the german version of the SUN
[18:31] <Lunar_Lander> and Wulff called the chief editor of BILD, asking him not to write about the scandal
[18:32] <fsphil> ah, the Sun .. may it set soon
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> that was the next thing, that he tried to censor
[18:32] <nigelvh> Yeah, that just makes it worse.
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> and today, the state attorney requested the parliament to lift his immunity
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> and then he stepped back himself
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> investigation will now start
[18:32] <nigelvh> Ouch
[18:34] <fsphil> you'd wonder where they find the time, shouldn't they be busy with things like running the country
[18:34] <nigelvh> Bah, who does that crap anymore.
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[18:35] <nigelvh> All the cool politicians these days bash gays, then turn out to be one, or rant about family values then go on nude hikes and sleep with hookers.
[18:36] <nigelvh> Also, I'm totally not biased against politicians at all.
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander> hello andrew_apex
[18:37] <nigelvh> No good patriotic troops supporting country lovin' gun toting god fearing american would ever be dissatisfied with our wonderful politicians.
[18:37] <andrew_apex> hey Lunar_Lander
[18:37] <fsphil> country, as in the "music"?
[18:37] <nigelvh> Country as in the USA. I'm fine with country music.
[18:38] <nigelvh> Not to say I'm not fine with the country, it's a lot better than a lot of places, but the politics could use some work.
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[18:41] <fsphil> woo, my 7m pole tripod thingy has been despatched
[18:42] <nigelvh> What you gonna hold up with it?
[18:42] <fsphil> 70cm yagi
[18:42] <fsphil> or two
[18:42] <nigelvh> Fancy
[18:43] <eroomde> what you gonna hold it up with?
[18:43] <nigelvh> The ground?
[18:43] <fsphil> lol
[18:44] <fsphil> it comes with guy wires I think
[18:47] <nigelvh> If only we hadn't hit our pun quota.
[18:47] <fsphil> gonna try using it for hf too -- put a vertical on top, use the body to form a dipole
[18:48] <nigelvh> That should make a pretty decent antenna. My HF antenna is a Inverted V with the middle about 50ft up a tree.
[18:48] <nigelvh> Yay fishing pole and slingshot.
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[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> hello Dan-K2VOL
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[19:09] <Dan-K2VOL> hi Lunar_Lander
[19:10] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[19:10] <Lunar_Lander> hello daveake
[19:11] <daveake> evening
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[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> hello Jessica_Lily
[19:15] <Jessica_Lily> hey
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[19:16] <Jessica_Lily> okay thanks
[19:16] <Jessica_Lily> you not over in megworld?
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> good to hear
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> will come to there in a moment
[19:20] <UpuHome> evenin' all
[19:21] <daveake> evenin'
[19:23] <UpuHome> no launches this weekend
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> hi UpuHome
[19:24] <UpuHome> hmm
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[19:24] <eroomde> what to do?
[19:24] <WillDuckworth> many more orders Upu?
[19:25] <UpuHome> Yup not looking bad can't ship any yet as everyone wants breakouts
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[19:25] Nick change: UpuHome -> Upu
[19:25] <eroomde> i don't
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:25] <eroomde> but i'm also not ready to order yet
[19:25] <Upu> no rush
[19:25] <eroomde> so that doesn;t help you or the conversation
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[19:26] <Upu> lol
[19:26] <Upu> theres been enough orders for me to feel more confident about it
[19:26] <WillDuckworth> good good
[19:27] <Upu> As soon as I have the breakout with the 5v to 3v level converter on it I'll start touting round hobby sites
[19:28] <Upu> Seems to be people wanting uBlox 6 but none of the larger companies like SF seem to do it
[19:28] <Upu> Might even be able to make some money of them
[19:29] <WillDuckworth> general question - is aprs any good to use? or is the rtty/ukhas combo better in general?
[19:30] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: I think aprs is illegal in the UK - not sure though - but would be good for european floater?
[19:30] <Upu> we can't use APRS in the UK
[19:30] <Upu> in the air
[19:31] <Upu> you can use it on the ground but due to the silly laws here you're not allowed to run a digirepeater which kinda kills it
[19:31] <Upu> re-transmitting messages not original destined for you
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[19:32] <Upu> I might be wrong
[19:32] <WillDuckworth> if it were to be in the 434 frequency (then not proper aprs i know) - that be ok i reckon
[19:32] <cuddykid> silly silly laws
[19:32] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: give to a go :P
[19:32] <WillDuckworth> just interested in how robust it is in comparison
[19:32] <Upu> but then who would be listening ? :)
[19:33] <Upu> I think its a faster rate 1200 baud so you may not get the packet
[19:33] <Upu> stick to 50 baud RTTY :)
[19:33] <WillDuckworth> just floating it out there...
[19:33] <cuddykid> Upu: what power can the rfm22b be cranked up to?
[19:33] <Upu> 100mW I think
[19:33] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: do you have an rfm22b?
[19:33] <cuddykid> oh nice
[19:33] <Upu> but not in the air
[19:34] <cuddykid> Upu: international waters though.. ?
[19:34] <Upu> no idea
[19:34] <Upu> but
[19:34] <Upu> batteries..
[19:34] <cuddykid> also - do you know a good "stub" antenna for 434?
[19:34] <cuddykid> ahh yeah, that might be an issue Upu
[19:34] <Upu> saw a few on Farnell
[19:34] <Upu> 1/4 wave seems to be the way to go
[19:35] <cuddykid> ahh ok, I need to test a few - for use in the flying wing
[19:35] <cuddykid> can't use a 1/4 wave there
[19:35] <Upu> ah yes
[19:35] <Upu> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=1200977&MER=baynote-1200977-pr
[19:35] <cuddykid> cheers Upu :)
[19:35] <Upu> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=3928056&MER=baynote-3928056-pr
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[19:37] <cuddykid> that's interesting
[19:37] <Upu> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/level5/module.jsp?moduleId=en/627432.xml shame they don't do one in the chip antenna
[19:37] <cuddykid> neat!
[19:38] <Upu> annoyingly Farnell don't stock the GPS one so I have to get them from the US
[19:38] <cuddykid> hopefully around end of march/early april testing will begin with the custom flying wing :D
[19:39] <Upu> good luck
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> yay
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[19:41] <cuddykid> the guy I'm working with who's building it has a lot of experience with integrating the APM into his wings - but - not at such extreme altitudes! :P
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[19:41] <cuddykid> plan currently is to cut chute away around 15km in altitude on descent and then hand control over to APM
[19:41] <cuddykid> this is if the APM passes altitude tests - going to fly it on a standard HAB flight first
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[20:29] <fsphil-laptop> cat trying to eat me
[20:29] <fsphil-laptop> probably thinks its a lion or something
[20:31] <daveake> Or it knows it's a cat, but thinks you're a mouse?
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[20:37] <jcoxon> any launches this weekend?
[20:41] <Upu> none announced
[20:41] <jcoxon> shame
[20:41] <jcoxon> Upu, got the parcel today
[20:41] <jcoxon> thanks
[20:41] <Upu> no probs
[20:41] <jcoxon> going to play with it this weekend
[20:41] <Upu> Thank Ken & Jim :)
[20:43] <fsphil-laptop> daveake, it got bored and tried attacking the door
[20:43] <jcoxon> fsphil-laptop, you around this weekend? might need some help
[20:44] <fsphil-laptop> should be - working a bit tomorrow morning but nothing after that
[20:44] <jcoxon> cool cool
[20:45] <jcoxon> going to port hte ssdv over to the 328
[20:45] <fsphil-laptop> sweet - which camera are you using?
[20:46] <jcoxon> c328
[20:47] <daveake> I just made a second rfm22b tracker - a duplicate of the one I dunked in the sea 2 weeks ago.
[20:48] <daveake> Don't want to rely on the damaged one!
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> yea!
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[20:57] <jcoxon> so its been suggested we should have a list to recruit listeners for long duration flights
[20:58] <jcoxon> not sure what the best way would be
[20:58] <fsphil-laptop> the list we have is pretty low traffic
[20:58] <jcoxon> yeah
[20:59] <jcoxon> an alert system..
[20:59] <fsphil-laptop> ah, just a launch announcement list
[20:59] <cuddykid> push notification system - dead easy to implement with notifo
[21:00] <cuddykid> and free
[21:00] <SpeedEvil> twitter
[21:00] <jcoxon> perhaps we should invent something cool
[21:01] <fsphil-laptop> a schedule page on spacenear.us?
[21:01] <fsphil-laptop> with rss feed
[21:01] Action: SpeedEvil found a handy site to do actual physical mail without getting off the sofa. Which is nice.
[21:01] <fsphil-laptop> no point reinventing the wheel :)
[21:02] <jcoxon> perhaps if habitat gets data for a flight it contacts those within a 500km range
[21:02] <jcoxon> hehe
[21:02] <fsphil-laptop> ah, a live system
[21:02] <fsphil-laptop> might not give enough warning
[21:02] <jcoxon> true
[21:02] <fsphil-laptop> but at least it would solve the problem of delayed or cancelled flights
[21:09] <g7waw> hi all is this to notify of uk flights
[21:10] <jcoxon> g7waw, well initially but the system is used in a number of places such as Oz and increasingly the states
[21:13] <g7waw> yes that's ok sometimes on hear i dont know ware people are and i get confused
[21:14] <Upu> its ok we get confused too
[21:14] <Upu> usually when people mail the list to advise on lauch notifications they put the place it will be launching from
[21:14] <fsphil-laptop> I'm like that on the best of days :)
[21:15] <Upu> jcoxon on a Pico payload would you want temp/BMP085 ?
[21:15] <Upu> or just rfm/gps and 328 ?
[21:15] <fsphil-laptop> silly battery
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[21:15] <jcoxon> Upu, depends really
[21:15] <jcoxon> what you are up to
[21:16] <jcoxon> altitude attempt tomorrow in the states
[21:16] <Upu> Making PicoAtlas :)
[21:16] <Upu> on a PCB
[21:16] <jcoxon> if you leave it off
[21:16] <Upu> I can put a place for it
[21:16] <jcoxon> then it'll be simpler and lighter
[21:16] <Upu> ok
[21:17] <Upu> you know the only thing thats "big" is the ICSP socket
[21:17] <Upu> I could make this narrow enough to fit in the neck of the balloon, well latex one anyway
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[21:22] <Upu> where did your 'T' got Duch-Mill ?
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[21:28] <daveake> The 'T' was only the beginning
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[21:28] <Upu> yay back with T in place
[21:29] <Dutch-Mill> UPU ...hi there on the Hill ...
[21:30] <Upu> hey Dutch-Mill down there :)
[21:31] <Dutch-Mill> Yes 6 m below sea level ;-)
[21:31] <Upu> lol
[21:31] <Upu> 6m below ?
[21:31] <Upu> wow
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[21:32] <Dutch-Mill> Nice tracking xaben last week btw UPU 500km's or so ?
[21:33] <Upu> Yup almost 600km
[21:33] <Upu> needed a Yagi as I could still see it for an hour but couldn't decode it
[21:33] <jcoxon> yeah if we didn't have the battery issue i suspect we could have broken records
[21:35] <Dutch-Mill> You can builde one... plenty designs on the web...
[21:35] <Upu> Oh I have one
[21:35] <Upu> just need some decent weather to get it up
[21:35] <Upu> it so cold at the moment all the coax and rotator cable is stiff and hard to handle
[21:35] <Dutch-Mill> What kinda Yagi?
[21:36] <Upu> Diamond
[21:36] <Upu> http://www.radioworld.co.uk/catalog/a430s15r_diamond_430-440mhz_70cm_15_el_yagi-p-3963.html?osCsid=354712000ff641b7caffeb5d8cb2097b
[21:38] <Upu> though I am considering the smaller version of this : http://www.radioworld.co.uk/catalog/tonna_220329_pro-xl_29_elements_antenna_430_to_440_mhz-p-7777.html?osCsid=354712000ff641b7caffeb5d8cb2097b
[21:38] <Dutch-Mill> I used a small Home build GPA last week .... Just 4 copper wires and a pl connector works fine for 350km
[21:38] <Upu> that one is far too long
[21:38] <Upu> 1/4wave ?
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[21:39] <Dutch-Mill> Yep a 1/4... I did try to make and use a linden
[21:40] <Dutch-Mill> .... G
[21:40] <Upu> thats impressive and a good example why you don't need to spend a fortune :)
[21:40] <daveake> My my Upu, that is a long one#
[21:40] <Upu> yeah thats longer than my house
[21:40] <Upu> there is a version of that ~ 3m
[21:41] <Upu> which is still pretty long
[21:42] <Dutch-Mill> ...grr why wants this iPad trying to write for me .... I ment I build a small lindenblad antenna but no succes..
[21:42] <Upu> that one : http://www.f9ft.com/pdf/220319e.pdf
[21:43] <Dutch-Mill> Looking for a good non directional antenna for jabbing
[21:43] <Upu> I like the solid construction
[21:43] <Upu> jabbing ? :)
[21:44] <Dutch-Mill> I ment habbing
[21:44] <Upu> I guessed :)
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[21:46] <Upu> daveake http://www.f9ft.com/pdf/220344e.pdf
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[21:46] <Upu> nearly 8 meters long
[21:46] <Dutch-Mill> UPU I'm leaving now SeeY next time and suc6 with the antenna on the roof
[21:47] <Upu> cheers have fun Dutch-Mill
[21:47] <daveake> Upu Suddenly I feel so inadequate
[21:47] <Upu> Imaging having the space
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[21:48] <Upu> 16.2kg
[21:48] <Upu> that and the winds round here would be bad
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[21:50] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: SPEEDBALL-1 Power system full checkout failed - 5v bus shows zero. See video of the test: http://t.co/x3p7M11l #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/170626246366081025]
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> ohhh
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL: what exactly happened?
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[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> wb Jessica_Lily
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[22:29] <Dan-K2VOL> Lunar_Lander
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> yes?
[22:29] <Dan-K2VOL> you can just watch the video if you like
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[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> the t.co link?
[22:35] Nick change: jolo2 -> jolaw2
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[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL: video works, thanks
[22:43] <Dan-K2VOL> sorry, am busy troubleshooting at the moment :-)
[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> no problem
[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> may I ask one more question?
[22:45] <Dan-K2VOL> sure
[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> why does the top line says "Recorded on my iphone in California"?
[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> or something similar
[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> Hayward, CA
[22:46] <Dan-K2VOL> oh hmm, the app is getting the wrong location, that iphone has no GPS
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:46] <Dan-K2VOL> it's one of the original ones we keep around just for white star ustreaming
[22:46] <Dan-K2VOL> original iphones
[22:46] <Dan-K2VOL> on wifi
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> I wondered if you want to surpass the current record and moved to CA for a transamerica crossing as well :P
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> ah :)
[22:46] <Dan-K2VOL> haha
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[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil-laptop
[23:05] <fsphil-laptop> howdy Lunar_Lander, what you up to tonight
[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> I'm good and I am thinking about that veroboard that I got here
[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> if I should try to imitate the whole breadboard thing on it
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> so that I got a first balloon board
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> you know how I mean?
[23:07] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[23:07] <fsphil-laptop> I've flown four veroboard payloads so fra
[23:07] <fsphil-laptop> far*
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> I would solder those sparkfun female headers on it
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> and for the radio circuit I would solder in the resistors
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> and stuff
[23:08] <fsphil-laptop> they're not as pretty as a PCB done in eagle but you can make them very quickly
[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> and maybe that will solve the problem I had like months ago
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[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> when I couldn't think of a way to connect everything
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> I was so desperate that I thought of flying that breadboard
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[23:11] <fsphil-laptop> I hope you came to your senses :)
[23:12] <Lunar_Lander> xD yea
[23:12] <Lunar_Lander> I think I paid 2 euros for the board I got
[23:12] <fsphil-laptop> not bad
[23:12] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:12] <Lunar_Lander> the vero I mean
[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> 16x10 centimeters
[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> that is about breadboard lenghth but a bit wider
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[23:14] <fsphil-laptop> try to keep it fairly compact
[23:14] <fsphil-laptop> I think larger boards are more prone to breaking
[23:14] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:14] <Lunar_Lander> like mechanically braking?
[23:15] <fsphil-laptop> yes
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> like *CRACK*?
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> no, wait I was wrong
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> not braking
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[23:15] <fsphil-laptop> hehe, never noticed
[23:15] <fsphil-laptop> brain spell checker working :)
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:16] <Lunar_Lander> my professor says he likes that other version better when he develops things
[23:16] <Lunar_Lander> the ones with only holes without copper lines
[23:16] <Lunar_Lander> protoboard that is?
[23:17] <fsphil-laptop> personal choice I think. cutting the tracks on stripboard can be annoying
[23:17] <fsphil-laptop> but then soldering wires on the protoboard could be unreliable
[23:18] <fsphil-laptop> depends how good at soldering you are I guess
[23:18] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:18] <fsphil-laptop> I don't trust soldering wires directly to boards
[23:18] <Lunar_Lander> well I saw that for electricians in training they give them tasks like soldering a spiral of wire to a protoboard
[23:18] <fsphil-laptop> (correcting uart mistakes the exception :)
[23:19] <fsphil-laptop> neat
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:20] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop: somone here found out for me that there is a person in India preparing a HAB
[23:20] <Lunar_Lander> what I am still thinking about
[23:21] <Lunar_Lander> were there any HAB in South America yet?
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> cause I got a friend in Argentina, the owner of the StratoCat website
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> if regulations allow, maybe that will be south america's first HAB
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[23:22] <fsphil-laptop> I was contacted by a group in Brazil about doing ssdv
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> so we made it
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> HAB around the world!
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[23:23] <fsphil-laptop> well I won't be happy until someone flies a balloon properly around the world :)
[23:23] <Lunar_Lander> xD yea
[23:23] <Lunar_Lander> there are more challenges
[23:23] <Lunar_Lander> launch a HAB in Japan and make it land on the land again
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[23:26] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think about that fsphil-laptop?
[23:27] <fsphil-laptop> do you know anyone launching in japan? :)
[23:28] <Lunar_Lander> no
[23:28] <Lunar_Lander> NASDA does
[23:28] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[23:29] <fsphil-laptop> jaxa are the people you need to talk to
[23:31] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[23:31] <Lunar_Lander> werent ISAS and JAXA united into NASDA?
[23:32] <Laurenceb_> NASCAR?
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[23:35] <Lunar_Lander> xD Laurenceb
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