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[01:16] <MLow> for the first time in my life, google does not have the answer for me
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[01:28] <MLow> everything i read says this should work
[01:28] <MLow> i should be decoding fine
[01:42] <MLow> everyone is stumped i guess, or out atm
[01:42] <MLow> convenient :()
[01:42] <Darkside> :P
[01:42] <Darkside> yeah, i have no idea
[01:42] <Darkside> mine works fine >_>
[01:43] <MLow> i dont think lemos will refund
[01:43] <MLow> based on my evidence
[01:44] <MLow> what do you use to decode aprs?
[01:44] <Darkside> my handheld (now) or the APRS network >_>
[01:44] <MLow> i mean software
[01:45] <MLow> just trying to eliminate anything on my end
[01:45] <Darkside> uhmm
[01:45] <Darkside> http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmm/
[01:45] <Darkside> try that
[01:45] <Darkside> thats just a simple AFSK demodulator
[01:45] <Darkside> i used it when i was first testing the module
[01:46] <MLow> im using agwpe which is ancient
[01:46] <Darkside> mm
[01:46] <Darkside> try this program
[01:46] <MLow> i mean it decodes the local packets but ill try anything
[01:46] <Darkside> mm
[01:46] <Darkside> well, see is that program works
[01:47] <Darkside> or put an antenna on your module, and see if the network will decode you
[01:47] <MLow> there is a small antenna
[01:47] <MLow> but i dont know how close nearest igate is
[01:47] <Darkside> aprs.fi
[01:48] <MLow> yeah
[01:48] <MLow> http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=KF5KWE-11&limit=50&view=normal
[01:48] <MLow> those are tests with a mobile radio
[01:48] <Darkside> looks like theres a digi nearby
[01:49] <Darkside> so if you get decoded by that you'll get into the network fine
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[01:52] <MLow> nothing
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[01:54] <MLow> when i hook up the antenna on my mobile that program seems to code local traffic fine
[01:54] <MLow> decode*
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[01:57] <MLow> my packets do sound a lot quieter tho
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[02:03] <MLow> the bottom trim pot seems to make it deviate more, made it sound like the other packets but still nothing
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[04:04] <MLow> so does anyone know if lemos international does refunds?
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[05:31] <MLow> 8mhz crystal didnt fix it
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[07:21] <SamSilver> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_OyHUqIIOU&feature=related
[07:22] <SamSilver> that is one tough balloon!
[07:24] <daveake> Tougher than a French implant
[07:26] <costyn> you guys know the show 'Time Warp' right?
[07:27] <SamSilver> nope
[07:27] <costyn> it was 2 seasons of slo mo footage of all sorts of things
[07:27] <costyn> very cool
[07:27] <costyn> look it up on YouTube
[07:28] <SamSilver> aahhhh rings a bell yes did see it
[07:28] <costyn> but damn, that balloon is really really tough
[07:28] <SamSilver> super-preasure!!
[07:28] <MLow> seen it, highlarious
[07:29] <SamSilver> super-pressure
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[07:38] <daveake> woohoo just won a Canon A480 at a nice price :)
[07:47] <MLow> i got a560 for 30$
[07:52] <UpuWork> morning
[07:53] <daveake> morning
[07:54] <fsphil> silly mornings
[07:55] <daveake> they never stop turning up just when you don't want them
[07:55] <fsphil> if they'd just be a bit later
[07:56] <number10> and warmer
[07:56] <MLow> came with an sd card and batteries lol 30$ shipped
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[07:58] <daveake> Similar - £21.77 here
[07:58] <number10> thats a good price
[07:59] <number10> it makes hab almost affordable
[07:59] <daveake> That's what happens when auctions finish so early in the morning :)
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[08:45] <eroomde> if anyone comes across a canon ixus 220 (called the elph300 outside europe) on their ebay travels, for a decent price, please shout!
[08:45] <eroomde> i want to nab one for hab
[08:45] <daveake> why that one in particular?
[08:46] <daveake> and do you want it in red or silver? ;-)
[08:47] <eroomde> wate:)
[08:47] <eroomde> whoops
[08:47] <eroomde> um, i want 24mm (35mm equiv) at the wide end
[08:47] <daveake> ah
[08:47] <eroomde> whereas most of the powershots are 35mm (equiv) at the wide end
[08:47] <daveake> not many compacts have that, as I'm sure you know already
[08:47] <eroomde> and there's quite a noticable difference between the too
[08:47] <eroomde> more curvature
[08:47] <daveake> absolutely
[08:48] <eroomde> yeah indeed
[08:48] <eroomde> i spent a few hours yesterday trying to find something in the intersection of the venn diagram of price, 24mm, and intervalometer capable
[08:48] <eroomde> and the ixus 220 was more or less the only one
[08:49] <eroomde> actually the ixus 220 is ok too
[08:49] <eroomde> d'oh
[08:55] <daveake> not forgetting the 220
[08:56] <daveake> Looking at an ebay photo, that looks like the same iddy biddy battery that Julie's IXUS 50 uses
[08:57] <daveake> You'll need to bring the battery connections out to a larger battery
[08:57] <eroomde> indeed
[08:58] <daveake> I was going to use the 50 on my first launch, and I took apart a standard battery and inserted wires to go outside the camera. You're welcome to have that to save you the trouble.
[08:58] <daveake> http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=66
[08:59] <eroomde> ah, back in the day (imagine me as the fat man in the 'you must be a unix user' cartoon) we had no choice but to do surgery on all our cameras, because there was no such thing as chdk. So I'm perfectly happy to hack them all to pieces.
[08:59] <eroomde> it's kinda fun :)
[08:59] <daveake> :D
[09:00] <eroomde> me -> http://ozguru.mu.nu/Photos/2005-11-11--Dilbert_Unix.jpg
[09:00] <daveake> lol
[09:01] <daveake> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Canon-Digital-IXUS-220-HS-12-1-MP-Digital-Camera-Silver-/320844235421?pt=UK_CamerasPhoto_DigitalCameras_DigitalCameras_JN&hash=item4ab3ce829d#ht_7062wt_1396 but it does have 6 days to go
[09:01] <eroomde> these are what we used to use http://www.amazon.co.uk/Premier-DC5331-Digital-Camera-3xOptical/dp/B0000DG4X9
[09:01] <eroomde> they were pretty ropey
[09:01] <eroomde> but on ebay for £10
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[09:02] <daveake> :)
[09:02] <eroomde> ah nice
[09:02] <eroomde> thanks
[09:02] <eroomde> i'll watch that one
[09:02] <daveake> I've paid a total of £22 for my last two A-series cameras :)
[09:03] <daveake> In fact, the second was entirely financed by the proceeds of selling the free printer than came with the first one.
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[09:05] <eroomde> yeah - a stroke of luck!
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[10:01] <cuddykid> morning all
[10:04] <navrac2> daveake - you mentioned you had a strange SM rfm22 - did you order it through protopic?
[10:04] <daveake> Yes
[10:05] <navrac2> and it turned out to be a blutoothe module?
[10:05] <daveake> Not done anything about that yet
[10:05] <daveake> Ah, that makes sense :D
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[10:05] <daveake> Explains the little antenna track I saw ....
[10:05] <navrac2> they turned out to be rn42's
[10:05] <fsphil> hmm
[10:05] <fsphil> I ordered some from protopic, better check
[10:06] <daveake> Yep. Says RM-42
[10:06] <daveake> RN-42
[10:06] <navrac2> the wrapper said rfm22b
[10:06] <daveake> Yep
[10:06] <navrac2> thats my afternnons tersting blown then
[10:06] <daveake> I shall let them know :-)
[10:06] <navrac2> likewise
[10:06] <daveake> My salt-damaged one is still running
[10:06] <fsphil> is the bluetooth module a different price?
[10:07] <navrac2> nice
[10:07] Action: daveake is impressed with fsphil's thinking
[10:07] <daveake> I need to order some bits. I'll give them a call later.
[10:08] <earthshine> o/
[10:08] <navrac2> £21 for an rn41 - cant see an rn42
[10:13] <daveake> speaking to them now
[10:16] <daveake> Righto, they have none in stock now so they're ordering more in. The guy said he thinks that they were sent the wrong item by their supplier.
[10:17] <cuddykid> eroomde: I've been looking at the graphs and I think more graphs and annotation detail is needed, I have a few unanswered questions. I'll knock up a few more later :)
[10:18] <natrium42> rofl http://t.qkme.me/CDn.jpg
[10:21] <MLow> should i start looking into getting a different radio....
[10:22] <MLow> for those not aware...my hx1 is giving me some issues
[10:25] <eroomde> cuddykid: cool
[10:25] <UpuWork> we are aware :)
[10:25] <eroomde> i haven't had a chance to bash the csv file yet
[10:25] <eroomde> will do so shortly when i get a moment
[10:26] <MLow> i was thinking the argent data transmitter, but they seem to be out of stick
[10:26] <cuddykid> eroomde: no probs, the csv doesn't include altitude - which I'm going to have a look at later and how it corresponds etc
[10:26] <MLow> stock*
[10:26] <MLow> UpuWork: thanks for the sympathy u.u
[10:26] <UpuWork> any time :)
[10:26] <MLow> this whole situation has set me back both in terms of the project and mentally
[10:27] <MLow> ive probably spent hours collectively just staring at the hx1...while it mocks me
[10:27] <cuddykid> MLow: I know the feeling. Where are you based?
[10:27] <costyn> daveake: I read your blogpost yesterday, was a fun read but light on technical details for us HAB nerds. I was curious how the rfm22b performed
[10:27] <MLow> texas
[10:27] <cuddykid> ahh ok
[10:27] <MLow> central texas
[10:27] <cuddykid> nice
[10:27] <MLow> you think it could be a humidity thing??
[10:27] <MLow> we average about 40% hm
[10:27] <cuddykid> doubt it
[10:28] <MLow> ...yeah im just grabbing at straws
[10:28] <fsphil> Have you tried a different receiver?
[10:29] <daveake> costyn Well, yes it's aimed at the general public :-)
[10:29] <cuddykid> MLow: it must be like 4ish in the morning?!
[10:29] <MLow> yeah i woke up
[10:30] <MLow> i work a double tomorrow though i cant sleep
[10:30] <MLow> ugh
[10:30] <cuddykid> MLow: what exactly isn't working? Are you hearing anything at all over the radio?
[10:30] <MLow> yeah i hear it just fine
[10:30] <MLow> it just never decodes
[10:31] <MLow> thats maddening
[10:31] <MLow> it's just as strong as local packets, and the local ones decode just fine
[10:31] <MLow> (though there isnt much traffic now)
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[10:32] <cuddykid> ahh ok, I would doubt it's a faulty hx1 (I may be wrong)
[10:32] <MLow> as far as i got with help was that the sinewave appears to show a difference in deviation with each tone
[10:32] <cuddykid> have you checked the correct voltages/resistors etc?
[10:33] <cuddykid> hmm, I'm no radio expert unfortunately :(
[10:33] <MLow> ive narrowed it down to the radio or how it's hooked up
[10:33] <fsphil> mine is the same MLow .. I'll make a recording later when I get home
[10:33] <MLow> fsphil: it doesnt decode?
[10:33] <fsphil> mine decodes fine
[10:33] <cuddykid> I would yes it's how it's hooked up - but I may be wrong
[10:33] <NickB1> Yay, found certified rope :)
[10:33] <cuddykid> :D
[10:33] <fsphil> I still wonder if the receiver might have an effect
[10:34] <MLow> i can make a recording of mine, can you somehow test to see if it decodes?
[10:34] <fsphil> yea, fire away
[10:34] <MLow> because i also made a recording of the sinewave
[10:34] <MLow> and it looks non-uniform in deviation
[10:35] <MLow-laptop> and im making the recording now
[10:35] <cuddykid> you're code/how it's hooked up
[10:35] <fsphil> the radio will filter the higher frequency tone
[10:35] <fsphil> slightly
[10:35] <MLow-laptop> cuddykid: code is fine, because hooked directly into the laptops mic jack it decodes the packet
[10:35] <MLow-laptop> as well as hooked of to a mobile radio rig
[10:35] <cuddykid> ahh ok :)
[10:37] <daveake> Let's get this right ... your Tx is picked up OK by radios other than this one, and this one decodes packets other than the ones your sending?
[10:37] <MLow-laptop> yeah
[10:37] <MLow-laptop> if i understand you, it is late
[10:37] <MLow-laptop> or early..
[10:38] <MLow-laptop> if i hook this exact breadboard up to a mobile 2m, it sends packet that is decoded and igated by local network
[10:38] <daveake> I'm not a radio guy, but sounds to me that you're overloading the radio. Try getting some distance between them.
[10:38] <MLow-laptop> the antenna is in the attic 15ft away or so
[10:38] <MLow-laptop> and the hx1 is using a whip 9.72in long
[10:39] <MLow-laptop> with 3v3 logic on txd
[10:39] <MLow-laptop> will an atmega running at 3v3 accept 5v serial logic?
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[10:40] <fsphil> my hx1 and radio are only about 3 metres apart
[10:40] <daveake> It's just one combination (your Tx to this particular receiver) that doesn't work. All other 3 permutations work. Can't be many explanations for that.
[10:40] <fsphil> the radio in this case is the funcube dongle, but I also use the ft817 and it worked fine
[10:40] <fsphil> but I would test it with another receiver just to rule that out
[10:42] <MLow-laptop> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12996303/mlow-brrraaaap.wav
[10:43] <MLow-laptop> i dont have another receiver
[10:44] <gonzo_> on fm packet, you also have the problems of slow TX keyup delays and rx with a slow squelch
[10:44] <MLow-laptop> the squelch is open
[10:44] <gonzo_> you can try opening the squelch on your rx, if you are using it
[10:44] <gonzo_> rgr, ok
[10:44] <MLow-laptop> ty tho :)
[10:44] <MLow-laptop> i have been at this a few days hahaha
[10:45] <gonzo_> what';s your rx?
[10:45] <MLow-laptop> icom ic2000
[10:46] <fsphil> there's a really bad buzz on that recording
[10:46] <MLow-laptop> the squelch?
[10:46] <fsphil> during the packet
[10:46] <gonzo_> a modern radio, will have filters for a 10/12.5khz channel
[10:46] <fsphil> maybe buzz is the wrong noise
[10:46] <gonzo_> you may just have yuour tx deviation too high
[10:46] <fsphil> but there's definitely some kind of noise there
[10:47] <gonzo_> the remote igate man may have an older radio with wider filters
[10:47] <MLow-laptop> i have modified the deviation to no avail
[10:47] <gonzo_> ok
[10:47] <fsphil> local QRM?
[10:47] <MLow-laptop> using both lower voltage logic and adjusting the trim pot on the modukle
[10:48] <fsphil> can you move the receiver closer
[10:48] <MLow-laptop> i have removed the antenna
[10:48] <MLow-laptop> and it sounds the same
[10:48] <MLow-laptop> also eliminates the local traffic
[10:49] <MLow-laptop> (on the rx end)
[10:49] <gonzo_> a rouugh guide to the deviation level, is, adjust it to be about the some volume as the other local traffic.
[10:49] <fsphil> I'm going to make a recording of mine
[10:49] <fsphil> just as a comparason
[10:50] <MLow-laptop> how would i go about decoding a recording?
[10:51] <MLow> hm your right i can hear a buzz
[10:51] <fsphil> hmm.. my radio at home is not responding
[10:53] <MLow-laptop> my luck spreading
[10:54] <daveake> It already spreaded to you from cuddykid. There's no stopping it now ...
[10:54] <daveake> s/ed/
[10:55] <daveake> Anyone (else) think it would be a neat thing to have a shared Google calendar for our launches?
[10:56] <gonzo_> good idea, there does need an unified notification system
[10:57] <gonzo_> (I usually onkly find out on the mail group, and getting a diaply digest, I find out the day after it happened)
[10:57] <daveake> :-). The calendar can be linked to the google group which makes it easier
[10:57] <MLow-laptop> ok ive hooked up an ht to the laptop
[10:59] <MLow-laptop> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12996303/mlow-brrraaaap-ht.wav
[11:00] <MLow> sounds much cleaner, there is a distinctive crackle but it goes away with the hx1 going full rf
[11:01] <MLow> does that decode? you mind checking
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[11:04] <daveake> Yep, still there.
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[11:05] <fsphil> my recording: http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/files/packet2.wav
[11:05] <fsphil> although I haven't checked if that decodes :)
[11:06] <fsphil> or if that's even a packet from my device
[11:08] <MLow-laptop> how would i decode that, just run the playback thru mic
[11:09] <MLow-laptop> 2I0VIM-2 ?
[11:10] <fsphil> that's me
[11:10] <fsphil> so that works
[11:10] <MLow-laptop> yeah it looks very unlike mine
[11:10] <MLow-laptop> it looks uniform
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[11:13] <MLow-laptop> looks encoded tho
[11:13] <MLow-laptop> i dont know how to decode the coordinates from that
[11:13] <fsphil> yea it's what they call compressed
[11:15] <fsphil> it'll actually be somewhere in the irish sea, it's from a simulated flight
[11:15] <fsphil> bbl
[11:19] <MLow-laptop> ok so it's base91 encoding?
[11:20] <MLow-laptop> but how does one convert that?
[11:20] <oh7lzb> It's documented in APRS101.PDF, google that
[11:20] <oh7lzb> or use an existing decoder software, such as Ham::APRS::FAP (for perl)
[11:21] <oh7lzb> open source java and C decoder libraries are also available
[11:21] <MLow-laptop> wouldnt a table suffice?
[11:22] <MLow-laptop> or is it not that simple?
[11:22] <MLow-laptop> not sure how compression works here :S
[11:23] <oh7lzb> Some use lookup tables to do parts of it
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[11:27] <MLow-laptop> the pdf is confusing
[11:27] <MLow-laptop> it says the data value is 123456789
[11:27] <MLow-laptop> but what is that, is that our longitude and latitude?
[11:27] <MLow-laptop> like 3012.30 is a value of 301230
[11:30] <MLow-laptop> i dont see how we can then put N or S into that
[11:34] <oh7lzb> There's a nice -180 for longitude and -90 for latitude in the end for decoding
[11:34] <oh7lzb> to get the 0..360 number to -180 ... 180, negative begin south and west
[11:35] <oh7lzb> (yes, the pdf is confusing in many respects)
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[11:37] <oh7lzb> page 38 (PDF page 48... the page numbering is confusing too) is quite clear on this
[11:50] <MLow-laptop> this stuff is aweseme
[11:50] <MLow-laptop> btw
[11:50] <MLow-laptop> reading it all now
[11:50] <Darkside> i think we have compressed packets in our fork of trackuino
[11:50] <Darkside> cant remember tho
[11:51] <MLow-laptop> this sounds fun to code
[11:51] <MLow-laptop> screw stealing yours :P
[11:51] <Darkside> lol
[11:52] <Darkside> no wait nevermind
[11:52] <Darkside> we didnt
[11:52] <Darkside> i think we gave up and decided it'd be nice to be able to read it as ascii
[11:52] <MLow-laptop> my tracking software should have this too!!
[11:53] <MLow-laptop> im grasping the concept and it's not to complicated, problem is i dont see many packets locally that conform to the standard
[11:53] <Darkside> ok bedtime for me
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[11:54] <MLow-laptop> night
[11:55] <MLow-laptop> 23:16:56$ fm K0TCR-5 to S0PY8W-0 via AI5TX-7,WIDE1-0,WD5IYT-2,WIDE2-0 UI PID=F0 `|Mxqq.>/"5D}www.hchams.org
[11:55] <MLow-laptop> that does not look standard
[11:55] <MLow-laptop> > is the symbol for car right?
[11:58] <oh7lzb> short packets is pretty good for aprs, since it increases chances of successful decoding in case of bad signal
[11:58] <MLow-laptop> right
[11:58] <MLow-laptop> i know thats what the pdf says :P
[11:58] <MLow-laptop> but that packet doesnt have the symbol type infront the encoded gps
[11:58] <oh7lzb> ruins your day if you want to read the packets by hand, but who does these days...
[11:59] <MLow-laptop> i personally cant resolve gps coordinates to a map for shit...so why would i
[11:59] <MLow-laptop> ` to the best of my knowledge isnt a valid symbol table id
[11:59] <oh7lzb> K0TCR-5 is transmitting mic-e packets, not compressed packets
[11:59] <MLow-laptop> grr
[12:00] <MLow-laptop> so mic-e is a different encoding?
[12:00] <oh7lzb> that's yet another position encoding in APRS... having three different ones is one thing that drives me to nuts at times
[12:00] <oh7lzb> yeah, you can find it in the same PDF
[12:00] <MLow-laptop> WHY
[12:01] <oh7lzb> hysterical reasons
[12:01] <oh7lzb> historical, i mean
[12:03] <MLow-laptop> why would anyone continue to use it then? or is it better?
[12:04] <oh7lzb> a lot of devices implement mic-e but not compressed
[12:05] <oh7lzb> including a large fleet of Kenwoods and other commercial devices
[12:05] <MLow-laptop> so is compressed less supported by igates then?
[12:05] <oh7lzb> compressed is technically better in some respects (better resolution, for one)
[12:05] <oh7lzb> but some software doesn't decode it, like the older Kenwoods
[12:06] <oh7lzb> No, that's not true - igates support any position encoding just fine
[12:06] <oh7lzb> including any future ones you might come up with on your own
[12:06] <oh7lzb> igates just receive packets and push them as they are on the APRS-IS
[12:06] <MLow-laptop> because they forward the whole packet to is?
[12:06] <MLow-laptop> ah
[12:06] <MLow-laptop> well thats good
[12:06] <MLow-laptop> aprs.fi supports compressed then i guess
[12:07] <oh7lzb> yes indeed, it uses the Ham::APRS::FAP decoder module you can use too if you like
[12:07] <MLow-laptop> im using an avr and C# tracker program
[12:07] <MLow-laptop> i think id rather just come up with the code myself
[12:07] <oh7lzb> it can be fun, yes
[12:08] <MLow-laptop> all i need is clearly laid out in the white page
[12:08] <oh7lzb> but implementing the whole aprs spec and all of it's addendums and variations is a huge task
[12:08] <MLow-laptop> well plain text coordinates is already working
[12:08] <MLow-laptop> icons, etc
[12:09] <MLow-laptop> the program simply connects to agwpe for packets
[12:11] <MLow-laptop> its working nicely with 500+ icons on map
[12:11] <MLow-laptop> scrolls/zooms with ease
[12:11] <oh7lzb> Cool!
[12:11] <MLow-laptop> the maps download so when there is no internet it uses the cache
[12:11] <oh7lzb> Planning on releasing it?
[12:11] <MLow-laptop> uh..never thought about it
[12:12] <MLow-laptop> it's a combination of a couple projects that are open source + my own workings :P
[12:12] <MLow-laptop> so i cant exactly take credit for much of it
[12:14] <MLow-laptop> i wouldnt mind sharing it if someone found it usefull, id imagine they would be more interested in the source, its all in C# so it's easy to muck with(even a simpleton like me)
[12:15] <MLow-laptop> what i want to know is, how am i supposed to tell what encoding(if any) a packet is using....
[12:15] <MLow-laptop> programatically
[12:16] <MLow-laptop> i suppose i can find if it has plain text coordinates with a simple regex
[12:16] <MLow-laptop> but then it's down to which encoding, if any
[12:19] <oh7lzb> The first byte of the packet data gives the packet type
[12:20] <oh7lzb> http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/HESSU/Ham-APRS-FAP-1.18/FAP.pm
[12:20] <oh7lzb> look at "sub parseaprs", it should be somewhat readable
[12:21] <oh7lzb> # Check the first character of the packet
[12:23] <MLow-laptop> lol at the regex for callsign
[12:23] <MLow-laptop> [A-Z0-9-]{1,9}
[12:23] <MLow-laptop> pretty generic
[12:23] <MLow-laptop> -------- would match
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[12:24] <oh7lzb> Yes, it would be a valid callsign on the APRS-IS.
[12:25] <oh7lzb> If it's told that the packet was received from RF it's using check_ax25_call which is more strict
[12:26] <oh7lzb> on the APRS-IS people use lower case in callsign, and letters in the SSID, sometimes just to make the point that no, this is not happening on RF
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[12:28] <MLow-laptop> if the first byte is one of 2 bytes it's a mic-e?
[12:29] <MLow-laptop> confusing
[12:29] <cuddykid> MLow-laptop: whilst I was logging off - I did notice you said something about using 3v3 logic? Was that to operate tx?
[12:30] <MLow-laptop> i tried with 5v
[12:30] <MLow-laptop> 3.3
[12:30] <cuddykid> oh :(
[12:30] <MLow-laptop> and through a voltage divider to 2v
[12:30] <MLow-laptop> the deviation is near perfect, but alas, not uniform
[12:31] <MLow-laptop> so callsigns in other countries are weird...
[12:32] <MLow-laptop> over here it's always XXYXXX, vanity can shorten then first and last group of letter
[12:32] <MLow-laptop> down to XYXX
[12:33] <gonzo_> I'm assuming that you have an audio tone in ttl coming from your modulation output?
[12:33] <MLow-laptop> kinda
[12:33] <MLow-laptop> it's the pwm pin on an atmega
[12:33] <gonzo_> poss needs some filtering.
[12:33] <MLow-laptop> see thats the thing
[12:33] <MLow-laptop> there are like 20 other people who run this setup exactly like this and it "just works"
[12:33] <gonzo_> The packet AFSK uses two tones, 1200 and 2400 (from mem)
[12:34] <gonzo_> and the 2nd harmonic of 1200 is.....
[12:34] <cuddykid> sounds like the local rag might run my weekend flight - just called up about it
[12:34] <MLow-laptop> ive tried a 10uf cap on the output
[12:34] <gonzo_> also, modulating at 1200db gives sidebands at.... 2400 again
[12:34] <daveake> cuddykid I'm sure they will
[12:35] <gonzo_> why should they spoil it
[12:35] <cuddykid> yeah, not that much happens around worcs any way lol
[12:35] <gonzo_> worries about tons of metal falling from the sky
[12:35] <gonzo_> ah, you mean coming to the launch aand geteting in the way
[12:36] <MLow-laptop> im not sure i understand the use of "rag" here
[12:36] <daveake> newpaper
[12:36] <gonzo_> MLow, not sure how you would filter it though tbh, as you still need the 2400hz tone to get through
[12:36] <daveake> new
[12:36] <daveake> news
[12:37] <MLow-laptop> well then congrats
[12:37] <MLow-laptop> i think
[12:37] <cuddykid> :)
[12:37] <MLow-laptop> gonzo_: the packet sounds normal...
[12:38] <MLow-laptop> it just doent get decoded
[12:39] <MLow-laptop> the view agwpe shows of the input make it look much different than a local packet though
[12:39] <MLow-laptop> it seems non-uniform in deviation, so im guessing thats the problem
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[12:40] <gonzo_> unequal tone levels?
[12:40] <MLow-laptop> i dont know enough to say
[12:40] <MLow-laptop> but i would assume that if the packet uses 2 tones, they yes
[12:40] <MLow-laptop> it seems one tone deviates less
[12:41] <gonzo_> yep, that's what I meant.
[12:41] <MLow> it seems like they are both very different in deviation
[12:41] <gonzo_> Supprised that woudl cause a prob, unless the inbalance was dramatic
[12:41] <MLow> well it's all i've got so far
[12:42] <MLow> i cant understand how it's not decoding
[12:42] <gonzo_> you uaing a PC to decode on your radio?
[12:42] <MLow> but that seems to be the only difference between my hx1 and a known working hx1
[12:42] <MLow> right now it's an ht with output plugged into a laptop running agwpe
[12:43] <MLow> my tracker software connected to that agwpe to display the packets and map them
[12:43] <gonzo_> you could try uaing a decoder prog with a spectral display
[12:43] <gonzo_> fldigi / mixw or similar
[12:43] <gonzo_> and see what the levels lookm like
[12:43] <MLow> agepe has a "sound card tuning aid" that shows the input
[12:44] <gonzo_> is it a spectrum, or just a bar graph
[12:44] <MLow> has a waterfall spectrum
[12:44] <MLow> sinewave, frequency spectrum, eye diagram
[12:45] <gonzo_> on a spectrum display, the two tones about equal level?
[12:47] <MLow> not sure how to tell
[12:47] <MLow> i can screen shot it
[12:48] <gonzo_> go for it
[12:52] <MLow-laptop> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12996303/hab%20pics/packets.JPG
[12:52] <MLow-laptop> see if you can guess which is the good packet and which is mine
[12:52] <MLow-laptop> the good packet is one fsphil provided and decodes fine(from an hx1)
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[12:55] <MLow-laptop> my packet just looks odd
[12:55] <MLow-laptop> (it's the bottom one)
[12:57] <gonzo_> I assume the swathes of nouise are the unsquelcghed fm noise
[12:57] <MLow-laptop> yeah
[12:57] <gonzo_> looks like there is a lot of roll off of the higher frequencies
[12:58] <gonzo_> either in the rx or the link to the laptop
[12:58] <gonzo_> from the nooise you can see that
[12:58] <MLow-laptop> the top packet is a recording
[12:58] <MLow-laptop> from fsphil
[12:59] <gonzo_> that is probably what's giving the difference in the tones
[12:59] <gonzo_> phil's shopws a similar roll off in frequency
[13:00] <gonzo_> how were you getting pgil;s file into the decode sw?
[13:00] <MLow-laptop> looped the mic and headphone jack
[13:00] <gonzo_> Looks like the rollm off may be in the laptop
[13:01] <gonzo_> any settings for filtering/pre-emphersis etc?
[13:01] <gonzo_> in the sound card driver/mixer etc?
[13:01] <MLow-laptop> why would the laptop decode other packets just fine?
[13:01] <gonzo_> may be borderline
[13:01] <gonzo_> off for lunch, laters
[13:01] <MLow-laptop> hope to catch you later
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[13:03] Action: Laurenceb read that without the r
[13:03] <daveake> lol
[13:05] <Laurenceb> my friend at work has a bluetooth scanner script running that reads out any new bluetooth device over some speakers
[13:05] <Laurenceb> so my phone is now "pedo"
[13:05] <fsphil> lol
[13:05] <fsphil> evil
[13:05] <Laurenceb> "pedo has entered the room"
[13:05] <daveake> :)
[13:06] <SamSilver> I am busy watching my first Boxy video
[13:06] <SamSilver> I never knew she made vids
[13:06] <Laurenceb> wut
[13:06] <Laurenceb> dude thats so 2 years ago
[13:10] <costyn> Bawksy
[13:14] <MLow> just tried it on my pc with agwpe and no go :S
[13:14] <MLow> fudge
[13:14] <MLow> 2 hours til work, guess i better get some rest
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[13:30] <jcoxon> afternoon
[13:33] <number10> afternoon
[13:35] <jcoxon> could be launching this weekend
[13:35] <cuddykid> jcoxon: you may be interested in this - seems to show some sort of constant freq rotation (1st part especially), going to work on it more this afternoon and also eroomde is going to take a look when he gets chance - http://i.imgur.com/jRGCD.png
[13:36] <number10> kent/suffolk?
[13:36] <daveake> cool. Is this with the spot device?
[13:36] <jcoxon> number10, suffolk
[13:37] <jcoxon> daveake, 434 + Spot
[13:37] <daveake> rfm22b?
[13:37] <jcoxon> no ntx2
[13:37] <jcoxon> its a XABEN flight 'puter
[13:37] <daveake> ok. Mine worked well for me last weekend
[13:38] <daveake> it still works, just, after being dunked
[13:38] <number10> is that a largish payload jcoxon ?
[13:38] <eroomde> largish = >3kg
[13:39] <jcoxon> number10, about 250g
[13:39] <number10> comparitively speaking ed
[13:39] <eroomde> :)
[13:39] <number10> :)
[13:40] <eroomde> comparatively speaking, 3kg is smallish if you compare it to some things
[13:40] <jcoxon> it could end up being a long duration flight
[13:40] <number10> my reference was james last flight
[13:41] <jcoxon> cuddykid, so looks like spin at altitude made a big difference
[13:42] <UpuWork> shadow of the balloon ?
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[13:42] <jcoxon> sun being close to the horizon?
[13:42] <cuddykid> yep
[13:42] <eroomde> what is the orientation of the solar cell?
[13:42] <cuddykid> both were facing vertically up on the top of the payload box
[13:43] <cuddykid> I'll get a time vs voltage graph for the other panel done in a bit
[13:43] <number10> maybe thats an idea for another experiment cuddykid - put on a photo diode and measure you payloads spin rate
[13:43] <cuddykid> see if they match up- they were kept completely seperate
[13:43] <cuddykid> number10: yeah, that would be cool :D
[13:43] <eroomde> the solar cell should also give you that info, really
[13:44] <eroomde> but you'll probably have to sample it at greater than once every 5 s
[13:44] <eroomde> as that means you can only see rotation periods of 10s of longer
[13:44] <eroomde> and i suspect they might be faster
[13:47] <cuddykid> yup - but possibly not in the early stage? it looks like 2 parallel lines
[13:48] <eroomde> that's what it would look like if you were sampling at 2 times the rotation rate
[13:48] <eroomde> facing sun, away from sun, facing sun, away from sun
[13:48] <eroomde> etc
[13:50] <cuddykid> yep
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[14:49] <cuddykid> I'm going to be on page 3 again :/ lol
[14:49] <daveake> you ti....
[14:50] <cuddykid> ?!?!!
[14:50] <daveake> reference to P3 in some newspapers :)
[14:50] <cuddykid> yeah, I was trying to work out the ti & ;) I guess it was a 2 letter word lol
[14:50] <UpuWork> its 2 of something
[14:51] <daveake> Was trying to be polite :)
[14:51] <cuddykid> :)
[14:51] <UpuWork> really Dave don't worry about it :)
[14:51] <cuddykid> haha
[15:00] <daveake> eroomde saw this thought of you and your camera questions ... https://www.xkcd.com/1014/
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[15:22] <cuddykid> oh wow
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[15:23] <cuddykid> just got a response from rfsupplier to a police dept in Colorado accidentally emailed to me!
[15:23] <jcoxon> eek
[15:23] <daveake> coloradokid
[15:23] <cuddykid> lol
[15:24] <cuddykid> looked at the email address sent to ended in .gov - I was like hold on a mo! Scrolled down and yeah, it's Brighton police dept
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[15:25] <daveake> Brighton? Thet aren't after someone who sent a balloon payload crashing into a swimmer in the sea nearby, are they?
[15:26] <cuddykid> lol
[15:26] <cuddykid> Brighton, CO
[15:26] <daveake> yeah spoil my joke why don't you :p
[15:27] <cuddykid> :P
[15:29] <fsphil> I got a quote for something like £45,000from a tv production company once.
[15:29] <fsphil> no idea what it was for
[15:30] <daveake> I got court papers for my company. should have been sent to a company with a similar name.
[15:31] <cuddykid> eroomde: here's the other solar panel Time vs Voltage - almost identical to SP2 - http://i.imgur.com/INECA.png
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[15:34] <cuddykid> oh no! Hold on a mo - all the time is wrong
[15:34] <cuddykid> it seems to alternate
[15:34] <fsphil> actually not a tv company, it's a media collage
[15:35] <cuddykid> eroomde: all the timing is wrong :(
[15:37] <cuddykid> fsphil: the method of scaling HH:MM:SS to seconds doesn't work :( - as 13:59:59 gives a larger value than 14:00:00 when clearly 14:00:00 is later!
[15:38] <fsphil> can you show me your code
[15:38] <fsphil> that converts it to seconds
[15:38] <cuddykid> yeah, one sec
[15:38] <daveake> more than 1. Should be 13*3600+....
[15:39] <cuddykid> http://pastebin.com/jHmjGCvh
[15:39] <daveake> 24?
[15:39] <fsphil> acl
[15:39] <fsphil> my fault
[15:39] <fsphil> 60 * 60, not 24 * 60
[15:39] <cuddykid> ohh, of course
[15:39] <cuddykid> oops
[15:40] <cuddykid> :P
[15:40] <cuddykid> new graphs coming up!
[15:41] <fsphil> appears i can't count
[15:42] <cuddykid> same :P
[15:42] <cuddykid> this is more like it
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[15:46] <cuddykid> http://i.imgur.com/QmoU5.png
[15:47] <cuddykid> possible initial rotation - beyond that nothing much
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[17:37] <SpeedEvil> The early 1980s punk singer?
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[17:42] <MLow-werk> hi
[17:42] <MLow-werk> can anyone do me a solid
[17:43] <MLow-werk> and try to decode a wav that contains an aprs packet
[17:43] <MLow-werk> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12996303/mlow-brrraaaap-ht.wav
[17:43] <jcoxon> okay, hold on
[17:44] <MLow-werk> ty
[17:47] <jcoxon> MLow-werk, no decode using my AFSK1200 decoder
[17:47] <jcoxon> though its not the worlds best
[17:47] <MLow-werk> yeah thats what i feared
[17:48] <MLow-werk> its not my decoding setup
[17:48] <MLow-werk> its just a bad packet
[17:50] <MLow-werk> im pretty convinced my hx1 is bad
[17:50] <MLow-werk> 53$ down the drain
[17:51] <jcoxon> does the hx-1 work with line out from your 'puter?
[17:51] <cuddykid> MLow-werk: have you spoke to radiometrix? they will have tech support
[17:51] <MLow-werk> bought it through lemos international
[17:52] <cuddykid> MLow-werk: probably doesn't matter, I'd send them an email - see what they say, at the end of the day it's their product
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[18:10] <MLow-werk> net totally died
[18:11] <MLow-werk> disadvantage of the fact we give public wifi
[18:11] <MLow-werk> people eat it alive
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[18:12] <MLow-werk> what a cool callsign
[18:12] <MLow-werk> mine is lame
[18:12] <MLow-werk> GW8RAK sounds like a dinsaur
[18:14] <cuddykid> I don't even have one :(
[18:15] <MLow-werk> aw
[18:15] <MLow-werk> why not
[18:15] <cuddykid> haven't done any am radio exam - plan to do one soon though :)
[18:19] <MLow-werk> go expert
[18:19] <MLow-werk> one shot
[18:22] <fsphil> 2I0VIM here .. not massively fond of it, I can't say the letter V properly
[18:23] <Upu> 2E0OOOPOOO here :)
[18:23] <fsphil> I can't say victor either.. sounds like fictor
[18:24] <Upu> fsphil I screwed a board, can you give me blinkenlights on the board thats plugged in pls, just booting machine up
[18:24] <Upu> screwed a board up
[18:25] <Upu> its up
[18:25] <Upu> 8Mhz
[18:25] <fsphil> aye, one sec
[18:25] <fsphil> what did you do to it?
[18:26] <Upu> tried to desolder that LED and ripped a track up
[18:26] <fsphil> ooch
[18:26] <Upu> had real trouble with this 644
[18:26] <fsphil> did my gps arrive?
[18:26] <Upu> yes sorry thx
[18:26] <Upu> got it thx
[18:27] <fsphil> should be all blinkin now
[18:28] <Upu> awesome
[18:28] <Upu> I didn't screw it up thx
[18:29] <Upu> cheers for testing
[18:29] <Upu> I'll put GPS on tomorrow
[18:29] <Upu> thx
[18:29] <fsphil> nice
[18:32] <MLow-werk> KF5KWE here
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[18:33] <Upu> 2E0UPU 5 and 9s KF5KWE etc
[18:33] <MLow-werk> kilo foxtrot five kilo whiskey echo
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[18:34] <MLow-werk> i want my expert tho
[18:34] <MLow-werk> to go HF, no radio yet tho
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[18:34] <Upu> yeah a few of us are working on full license
[18:34] <fsphil> you don't get to work HF on he basic license?
[18:34] <fsphil> *the
[18:34] <Upu> trouble is you have to actually know stuff which is the bit where I'm falling over
[18:34] <fsphil> tis a flaw that
[18:35] <fsphil> the foundation license in the UK allows almost all bands to be used but at very limited power (10 watts)
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[18:35] <fsphil> I think the microwave bands are not allowed to foundation operators, for some odd reason
[18:35] <Upu> mm
[18:35] <Upu> where did I go
[18:35] <fsphil> lol
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[18:36] <UpuWork> pokes
[18:37] <fsphil> oh hey UpuWork, Upu was after you
[18:37] <Upu> Indeed
[18:37] <Upu> still thought it was connected
[18:37] <Upu> ping time out ftw
[18:37] <fsphil> that happened my desktop pc once, but not my laptop
[18:37] <fsphil> all on the same connection
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[18:46] <MLow-werk> i guess i will try radiometrix support
[18:46] <MLow-werk> when i get on break
[18:50] <Upu> Anyway off to cook
[18:50] <Upu> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=herman+geist+stadium+hazleton+pa&hl=en&sll=51.506816,-0.159525&sspn=0.233779,0.646133&hq=herman+geist+stadium&hnear=Hazleton,+Luzerne,+Pennsylvania,+United+States&t=h&z=19
[18:53] <daveake> lol
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[19:02] <fsphil-laptop> hmmm
[19:07] <MLow-werk> tech_support@radiometrix.com hmmm
[19:07] <MLow-werk> worth a shot
[19:07] <MLow-werk> i will most likely come off as a fool with how little i know about this issue
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[19:09] <fsphil-laptop> they seem to be pretty good people to deal with
[19:11] <SpeedEvil> Anyone want a pole to dislodge stuff from trees?
[19:11] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Grade-316-Stainless-Steel-Pipe-4-3-1-2-3-dia-thick-10mm-wall-/320843416020?pt=UK_BOI_Metalworking_Milling_Welding_Metalworking_Supplies_ET&hash=item4ab3c201d4
[19:11] <SpeedEvil> will need several burly chappies on the bottom though
[19:12] <fsphil-laptop> yikes
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[19:22] <Upu> MLow-laptop don't mail radiometrix
[19:23] <Upu> because what they will do is say mail this guy anthony@nevis.co.uk
[19:23] <Upu> and thats me
[19:23] <Upu> and I don't know and I'll tell you to come here
[19:23] <SpeedEvil> And I'll probably say 'you should ping upu, I think he was doing that'.
[19:23] <Upu> :)
[19:23] <cuddykid> lol
[19:24] <fsphil-laptop> the circle is nearly complete. muhahha
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[19:47] <MLow-werk> sent an email to radiometrix, here's hoping they have a loaded silver bullet
[19:47] <MLow-werk> and with that i am going to head home and eat
[19:47] <MLow-werk> enjoy my 3 hour break
[19:48] <fsphil-laptop> nice
[19:50] <gonzo_> nah, they are overrated. Silver is to hard to engage in the rifling
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[19:52] <fsphil-laptop> I mean the 3 hour break :)
[19:54] <Upu> MLow-laptop doh :)
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> Annealed silver can be quite soft
[19:58] <nosebleedkt> http://www.redbullstratos.com/
[19:58] <nosebleedkt> http://www.dailytech.gr/dailytech-news/2012/2/8/737332001057.html
[20:00] <nosebleedkt> sorry for last link. meant to be posted somewhere else
[20:02] <hibby> Uni went on fire last night
[20:02] <hibby> somewhat inconveniencing
[20:02] <SpeedEvil> What did you use?
[20:02] <hibby> was them chemical engineering students
[20:04] <SpeedEvil> An inferno, conflagration, smoulder, ...?
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[20:07] <hibby> 6 floor building out of use indefinately
[20:07] <hibby> two floors fire-raped, two floors water damaged and two floors being cleared of suspected smoke damage
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[20:22] <BrainDamage> lab accident?
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[20:26] <fsphil-laptop> isn't this how a monster movie starts
[20:26] <BrainDamage> not without hot chick
[20:26] <fsphil-laptop> "They thought it was contained.... "
[20:26] <BrainDamage> it's a condicio sine qua non
[20:27] <Upu> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-16944006
[20:30] <fsphil-laptop> no mention of a blue police box anyway
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[20:33] <MLow> Hi all
[20:33] <Upu> hey MLow
[20:34] <MLow> how it goin
[20:35] <Upu> not bad just testing my board
[20:35] <Upu> did you get my message earlier about Radiometrix ?
[20:36] <MLow> no
[20:36] <Upu> ah
[20:36] <MLow> i was at work kinda off/on the pc
[20:36] <Upu> anywhere in your mail did you use the word "balloon" ?
[20:37] <MLow> no
[20:37] <Upu> good
[20:37] <Upu> :)
[20:37] <MLow> i mentioned trackuino
[20:37] <Upu> doh
[20:37] <fsphil-laptop> uhoh
[20:38] <MLow> whaat?
[20:38] <Upu> basically with Radiometrix "Hi I'm from flying APRS Corp and I want to buy 1000 of your NTX2 modules" = good "Hi I want to use your modules design for 500 meters to fly to space !!" = bad
[20:38] <Upu> they tend to refer hobbyists to here via me
[20:39] <MLow> ffff
[20:39] <Upu> they aren't really kitted out for supporting us
[20:40] <Upu> we aren't exactly using their kit as they intended though they do like us
[20:40] <fsphil-laptop> for aprs they are being used more like they had intended
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[20:40] <MLow> well can i then not expect a response? or just expect to wait a long time
[20:40] <Upu> sure they will respond one way or another
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[20:43] <Upu> if you type NTX2 on Google the first page is mainly HAB stuff
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[20:45] Nick change: GW8RAK_ -> GW8RAK
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[20:46] <fsphil-laptop> yoyo sir.GW8RAK
[20:47] <GW8RAK> Good evening Phil
[20:47] <fsphil-laptop> how's things over yonder
[20:47] <GW8RAK> Not bad. Just working all hours God sends.
[20:48] <Upu> TV crew gone ?
[20:48] <GW8RAK> Had BBC Click program in this afternoon. :)
[20:48] <fsphil-laptop> ooooh
[20:48] <GW8RAK> Yes, she seemed happy with what we were doing so....
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[20:49] <GW8RAK> 25th Feb tx date
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[20:51] <MLow> if you type hx1 you get weird stuff
[20:51] <nigelvh> MLow: did you make any progress with getting the HX1 working and decoding properly?
[20:51] <MLow> no
[20:52] <nigelvh> Damn
[20:52] <MLow> same state, tried different crystals like you suggested too
[20:52] <nigelvh> Mine won't be here for a few more days, so there's not a lot I can do yet.
[20:53] <MLow> heres hoping you dont have any issues
[20:53] <MLow> or you will become slightly less hairy on the head
[20:53] <eroomde> channel 4 is too much sometimes
[20:53] <nigelvh> Here's hoping that I get it to work, issues or not, and then have insights for you.
[20:53] <eroomde> oh the fabulous baker brothers
[20:53] <eroomde> 'we're here to see the master bakers'
[20:54] <eroomde> we can add that to nuggets like 'girls love cassoulet - guaranteed to get you cassou-laid'
[20:55] <MLow> honestly i hope you have same issue and fix it...nothing against you i just want to know the issue
[20:55] <nigelvh> Exactly my point.
[20:55] <MLow> even if i cant fix it, like mine is broken, i just want to move on
[20:57] <MLow> then i will get an argent data one
[20:57] <MLow> to transmit telemetry realtime on another 2m frequency lol
[20:58] <MLow> jesus christ, my bills this month come to 645
[20:58] <MLow> + my rent
[20:58] <nigelvh> I ordered a couple of those for exactly that purpose. Argent is out of stock though. I had to buy them from rpc-electronics, and they've got about a 2-3week wait.
[21:01] <MLow> doenst look like i have the money this month
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[21:02] <MLow> i dont even have anything for valentines
[21:03] <nigelvh> During my time in college, I learned to make things for valentines rather than buying things with the money I didn't have.
[21:03] <MLow> i cant really make anything but broken software and hackuinos
[21:03] <cuddykid> MLow: present the HX1 :) lol
[21:03] <nigelvh> Bend some copper wire into a sculpture, solder on some leds, throw on a battery or a wall wart. Instant (a few hours) gift.
[21:04] <MLow> my gf would probably look at me funny
[21:04] <cuddykid> haha
[21:04] <nigelvh> I've done that a number of times
[21:04] <MLow> we love eachother tho she will understand, that im broke
[21:05] <nigelvh> These days, now that I'm less poor she's hoping for a shiny thing on her finger.
[21:05] <MLow> we've been together a while sometimes i wonder
[21:06] <MLow> but im told thats not something you wonder about, that you know
[21:06] <Upu> Look MLow a HX1 :) https://twitter.com/#!/NigeyUK/status/167351677710635008/photo/1/large
[21:07] <nigelvh> It's been a little over four years for us now. As for the wondering vs knowing stuff. Personally, I think that's crap. I figure it's natural to wonder what it would be like. I do figure when the time's right you'll know though.
[21:07] <MLow> thats what i mean
[21:08] <MLow> also, my eyes, my eyes, THEY BURN
[21:08] <nigelvh> Upu quit teasing him. Can't you see he's in pain?!
[21:08] <Upu> :)
[21:08] <Upu> I don't know if it actually works
[21:08] <MLow> i hope it explodes
[21:08] <nigelvh> Now you're just asking for trouble
[21:08] <Upu> lol
[21:08] <MLow> :)
[21:09] <Upu> probably will given my soldering
[21:09] <MLow> with no harm to you of course
[21:09] <MLow> also is that SMA?
[21:09] <Upu> yeah
[21:09] <Upu> x 2
[21:09] <MLow> what are you doing for an antenna?
[21:09] <Upu> good question
[21:09] <MLow> because i cant find any cheap coax source
[21:10] <nigelvh> Is the second one for an antenna?
[21:10] <MLow> i figured id just solder on a whipe directly
[21:10] <MLow> whip*
[21:10] <fsphil-laptop> no way I'm doing the shagi for 2m :)
[21:10] <fsphil-laptop> one is for 2m (aprs on 144.800) and the other is for 70cm (rtty on 434mhz)
[21:10] <nigelvh> I'd use a piece of cable leading to your antenna. That's going to be REALLY hard on your solder joints.
[21:11] <MLow> cant find a source for coax like i said
[21:11] <nigelvh> fsphil: fancy pants
[21:11] <MLow> otherwise id do a sma connector
[21:11] <fsphil-laptop> :)
[21:11] <nigelvh> What kind of coax are you looking for?
[21:11] <nigelvh> And how much?
[21:11] <fsphil-laptop> we can't use APRS here so the rtty is for general tracking
[21:11] <Upu> Well i think Darkside is doing s diplexor for it
[21:11] <MLow> not too thick, and like a foot or two
[21:11] <fsphil-laptop> aprs is for everywhere else
[21:12] <MLow> rg174u?
[21:12] <nigelvh> And what are you considering cheap?
[21:12] <Upu> for 70cms I use a RG316 SMA pigtail
[21:12] <MLow> not having to buy 100ft is a good start
[21:12] <Upu> with a SMA panel mount on the bottom which I make into a 1/4 wave
[21:12] <MLow> <50$
[21:12] <nigelvh> I have a spool of 100m of double shielded 316 that I'd sell you a few feet of if you're interested.
[21:13] <MLow> can you do USPS shipping?
[21:13] <nigelvh> Sure
[21:13] <MLow> id imagine a padded envelope would be good enough
[21:13] <nigelvh> Yeah
[21:13] <MLow> are connectors for 316 common?
[21:14] <nigelvh> Generally I use 174 connectors
[21:14] <nigelvh> If you need an SMA for it, I can sell you one of those too, but you'll want a crimp tool.
[21:14] <nigelvh> Really, I could just put the connector on if it would be easier.
[21:15] <MLow> lol that would be kind
[21:15] <MLow> i was thinking sma-coax-sma-sma chassis, then a ground plane antenna
[21:15] <Upu> just get a SMA pig tail 1 sec I'll get you a link
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[21:16] <nigelvh> Generally I do antenna, directly soldered to coax, then a sma on the end.
[21:16] <nigelvh> of course with the necessary strain relief.
[21:16] <Upu> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SMA-male-SMA-male-double-straight-pigtail-RG316-/290458210532?pt=UK_Computing_Networking_SM&hash=item43a0a890e4
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[21:17] <MLow> CHINA
[21:17] <Upu> yup
[21:17] <Upu> they are very polite and very cheap
[21:17] <Upu> thats where I get my SMA stuff from
[21:20] <MLow> foot is the longest?
[21:20] <MLow> 6.50$
[21:22] <MLow> i need to take a nap before my dinner shift, but thank you all again
[21:23] <cuddykid> Upu: did you hear earlier - I got an accidental email from them, they had copied me into a response to a police dept in Colorado lol
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[21:26] <cuddykid> what value caps are used between Vin and GND around the 3V3 Reg (using atmega328) from power supply?
[21:27] <daveake> Look up the regulator data sheet see what that says
[21:30] <cuddykid> 100nF and 10uF by the looks of it
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[21:33] <daveake> There you go then :-).
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[21:34] <cuddykid> only concern - that data sheet also says 100nF and 10uF for the 5V reg however I'm using 2x 10uF with 5V (as per a tutorial)
[21:35] <cuddykid> I guess there isn't much difference
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[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[21:38] <cuddykid> hi Lunar :)
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> how is the life?
[21:38] <cuddykid> the life is good :) how about you?
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> mine too, thanks
[21:38] <cuddykid> brilliant
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> is "The Manic Street Preachers" band good?
[21:39] <cuddykid> never heard them
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> on Ruth Jones Christmas Cracker they said that it has been in the Charts several years now
[21:39] <Upu> Lunar_Lander I think are considered very good
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:39] <Upu> like Radiohead
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> but on that show, the singer spat besides his microphone
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> missed out to return four books
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> have to pay 8 euros penalty
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> :(
[21:41] <cuddykid> oh no :(
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> 2 euros per book
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> but better now then later
[21:42] <Lunar_Lander> second warning is 5 euros/book
[21:42] <Lunar_Lander> and third warning is 10 euros/book
[21:46] <eroomde> i got very angrily shouted at by a librarian when i returned 2 books a week late
[21:47] <eroomde> he kept saying how i had to be punished with a fine
[21:47] <eroomde> i said i considered it as more an extended use fee
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> ohh
[21:47] <eroomde> the vein nearly burst through his forehead.
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> the manic street preachers at ruth jones
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> I said the guy spat around, right
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> proof http://s.gullipics.com/image/w/t/r/5yvr01-j2kvcz-ufh2/img.png
[22:10] <cuddykid> daveake: fantastic write up :)
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander> daveake: may I see it too?
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[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> cuddykid: got the link?
[22:14] <cuddykid> http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=220
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> cool daveake
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[22:25] <cuddykid> Lunar_Lander: have you seen the graphs of the data from my flight? Some are quite interesting - http://habexperiments.wordpress.com
[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> not yet
[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> one moment
[22:32] <MLow> what a crappy nap
[22:34] <MLow> see yall later
[22:36] <fsphil-laptop> good luck MLow
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[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil-laptop
[22:46] <fsphil-laptop> good evening mr.kev
[22:48] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[22:49] <Lunar_Lander> I don't know if I have to bash my head
[22:49] <fsphil-laptop> I wouldn't recommend it
[22:49] <Lunar_Lander> oh the human relationship problems
[22:49] <Lunar_Lander> so difficult
[22:49] <fsphil-laptop> aye, they certainly are
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[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:51] <fsphil-laptop> worth it though, so I've been told :)
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:52] Action: fsphil-laptop shall make his own human robot
[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[23:04] <Lunar_Lander> daveake: still there?
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[23:27] <Lunar_Lander> hi NigeyS
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[23:29] <Lunar_Lander> hi CovBalloon
[23:29] <MLow-werk> hi Lunar_Lander
[23:29] <Lunar_Lander> hi
[23:29] <MLow-werk> hey
[23:29] <CovBalloon> evening
[23:29] <MLow-werk> evening
[23:30] <MLow-werk> im thinking about stomping on my hx1
[23:30] <fsphil-laptop> noooo
[23:30] <MLow-werk> release some frustration
[23:30] <MLow-werk> i drove to work at 100mph :S
[23:30] <MLow-werk> i was smoking a cig and thinking about the hx1, next thing i knew a cop was pulling me over
[23:32] <MLow-werk> i guess he found me pathetic enough, let me go
[23:33] <Lunar_Lander> ohh
[23:33] <MLow-werk> yeah i think i should just let the hx1 go, start fresh
[23:33] <fsphil-laptop> it might be wise
[23:34] <fsphil-laptop> listen to some relaxing music :)
[23:34] <nigelvh> No piece of tech is worth getting that much of a rise out of.
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander> you know what my best friends suggests?
[23:34] <nigelvh> Cigarettes kill you know.
[23:35] <Lunar_Lander> MLow-werk: close your eyes, take a deep breath, count to 10 and think of a sunlit field with flowers
[23:35] <Lunar_Lander> that's what my best friend (female) says to me when I am angry or so
[23:35] <fsphil-laptop> what if you're allergic to flowers and sunlight?
[23:35] <Lunar_Lander> um good question
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> think of water
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[23:36] <fsphil-laptop> good thinking!
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> I think no one is allergic of water
[23:36] <nigelvh> I dunno, that dihydrogen monoxide can be dangerous stuff.
[23:36] <fsphil-laptop> lol
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[23:36] <fsphil-laptop> ban it!
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:36] <nigelvh> Do you know how many people are killed by it every year?!?!
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander> um
[23:37] <fsphil-laptop> exactly. look at venus -- there is none there, and so far *nobody has died there*
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander> then think of
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander> pfff
[23:37] <nigelvh> And what's worse? It's lurking in your house, at your workplace, in the woods, IN YOUR BODY!
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander> how earth looks from space!
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander> that's not dangerous
[23:38] <nigelvh> Unless you survive on your ego being larger than the earth.
[23:38] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:38] <MLow-werk> enough water is toxic
[23:38] <MLow-werk> called drowning
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[23:39] <MLow-werk> anyone wanna buy a mysterious hx1?
[23:39] <nigelvh> The other option for water killing you is called water poisoning. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication
[23:39] <MLow-werk> shipped USPS
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[23:42] <MLow-werk> how about this
[23:42] <MLow-werk> someone buys my hx1, i buy another hx1
[23:42] <MLow-werk> if the second doesnt work, i pay you back
[23:43] <MLow-werk> because it is then someone obviously my fault
[23:43] <MLow-werk> someone = somehow
[23:43] <fsphil-laptop> I on'y have the 144.800 mhz version
[23:45] <MLow-werk> hm
[23:45] <MLow-werk> right
[23:45] <MLow-werk> i meant buy another from lemos, but since mine would be 144.39 it would be useless to you
[23:45] <MLow-werk> unless you wanted it for telemetry uplink
[23:46] <MLow-werk> too bad the mx146 is not in stock
[23:46] <MLow-werk> i wanted to go with that one from the start
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[23:52] <MLow-werk> eh, was just an idea
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