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[00:11] <DanielRichman> cuddykid: ^^
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[00:25] <SpeedEvil> switch away from X, as the GPU is hung.
[00:26] <SpeedEvil> Suspend to disk, power off.
[00:26] <SpeedEvil> Resume, and it puts the GPU back in the borked state.
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[01:45] <MLow> avrdude: initialization failed, rc=-1
[01:45] <MLow> AHHH
[01:46] <nigelvh> That's always a pain
[01:47] <MLow> pretty sure i killed the chip
[01:47] <MLow> that puts me thru my supply of atmega's
[01:47] <MLow> all dead :(
[01:47] <nigelvh> Either that or put it in a clocked mode that you can't deal with without a HV programmer
[01:47] <nigelvh> I've done that a time or two.
[01:47] <MLow> i was just trying to use the hx1
[01:48] <MLow> im pretty familiar with fuse bits and how to mess them up
[01:48] <MLow> first atmega i learned that
[01:48] <natrium42> hi peeps
[01:49] <nigelvh> Yeah, it's a quick way to "brick" it.
[01:51] <MLow> gotta buy more :(
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[01:58] <MLow> mouser or digikey is the question
[01:59] <nigelvh> Always a dilemma. Digikey is always faster for me.
[02:07] <MLow> where are u/
[02:07] <MLow> im in texas
[02:07] <nigelvh> Washington
[02:08] <SpeedEvil> New LEDs are insane.
[02:08] <SpeedEvil> $.83 (Ok, at 1000) for a 260lm @3W LED
[02:10] <SpeedEvil> So for 500 quid, you can get a light that is 8cm on a side, and will output enough light to outshine 2 square meters of sunlit window.
[02:10] <nigelvh> The sun's a pansy these days.
[02:11] <SpeedEvil> Pulsed - at night - visible most of a thousand Km away.
[02:17] <MLow> never ordered from mouser, may as well see what shipping is like
[02:17] <MLow> the hx1 works, i can pull EN to 5v and get full quieting on a radio
[02:17] <MLow> somehow i blew the atmega in the process
[02:17] <Darkside> heh
[02:18] <nigelvh> Hmm, I wonder what happened.
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[02:28] <MLow> atmel data sheets gone?!
[02:28] <MLow> also
[02:29] <MLow> i wish i knew
[02:29] <MLow> cause it was my last atmel
[02:29] <natrium42> what do you mean, gone?
[02:32] <MLow> cant load it from website
[02:32] <MLow> http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc8271.pdf
[02:32] <MLow> im a sad panda
[02:32] <MLow> ok so, rebuild time
[02:33] <MLow> need to make a pcb this time, and an sma connector for the hx1
[02:33] <Darkside> are you using throug-hole or smd atmegas?
[02:33] <Darkside> (or whatever atmel chip you use)
[02:34] <MLow> idk
[02:34] <MLow> i guess i will try smt
[02:34] <Darkside> woo
[02:34] <MLow> i did a soic16 easily
[02:34] <MLow> whats the pitch on those smt atmega
[02:35] <Darkside> you should be fine with TQFP32 then
[02:35] <Darkside> bigger than on a SOIC16
[02:35] <MLow> oh lol
[02:35] <Darkside> TQFP32 is easy
[02:35] <Darkside> hell, TQFP100 is easy
[02:35] <Darkside> the hard part is lining it up
[02:35] <MLow> i do my smt with a cloths iron :)
[02:35] <MLow> well, my pcb that is
[02:35] <Darkside> heh
[02:36] <Darkside> i do almost all smd soldering by hand
[02:36] <Darkside> i only switch to hot air for QFN components
[02:36] <MLow> i mean my pcb etching process
[02:36] <MLow> soldering i do with drag and braid
[02:36] <Darkside> :D
[02:36] <Darkside> yay
[02:36] <MLow> aka no paste
[02:37] <Darkside> same
[02:37] <Darkside> also lots of flux
[02:37] <MLow> i just use fluxed solder
[02:37] <MLow> and a steady hand
[02:37] <Darkside> mm i find when i solder bigger things, like TQFP100, that flux really helps
[02:37] <MLow> still use my radio shack fire starter
[02:40] <MLow> i may as well go all smt with my trackuino board
[02:41] <Darkside> yeah, its not hard
[02:41] <MLow> never done it though
[02:41] <MLow> so will be an adventure
[02:41] <MLow> plus all i have is single sided board on hand
[02:41] <Darkside> oh
[02:41] <MLow> which may make things fun
[02:41] <Darkside> that may be a problem then
[02:41] <MLow> greenwires possibly
[02:41] <Darkside> you'll probably be cutting up your ground
[02:42] <MLow> just do the bottom layer with greenwire
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[02:44] <MLow> i have a guest over this weekend which means not much work will get done
[02:44] <MLow> more, battlefield less balloon stuff
[02:45] <MLow> seriously wtf, http://www.mouser.com/catalog/specsheets/KOAXXA.pdf
[02:45] <MLow> no pdf's on the internet!
[02:45] <Darkside> lol
[02:47] <eroomde> today's xkcd caused me a chuckle
[02:48] <MLow> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/SMA-JR-P1-S/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMukCeVMgJHkjBgawF06O2Uy2OIaIwEzz3c%3d
[02:48] <MLow> can anyone see the data sheet
[02:48] <MLow> kidna hard to make an eagle device for it without a datasheet
[02:49] <Darkside> eroomde: *ento*mology man...
[02:49] <nigelvh> Most of the atmel parts have eagle footprints in various libraries
[02:49] <nigelvh> On the eagle page, on the libraries section, try the avr-7 library
[02:49] <nigelvh> I think that's the latest
[02:52] <MLow> for the connector i mean
[02:52] <nigelvh> What connector?
[02:54] <MLow> sma
[02:54] <nigelvh> I think there's a sma footprint in the default libraries
[02:55] <nigelvh> The "con-coax" library
[03:01] <MLow> ok what about an hx1
[03:01] <MLow> :D
[03:01] <nigelvh> That's just a couple sets of pins in a row. I generally use the M0<number> parts from the spark fun library
[03:02] <nigelvh> Not a real "part footprint" but it works.
[03:02] <MLow> yeah but what is the separation?
[03:02] <MLow> honestly any practice making eagle devices i take
[03:03] <nigelvh> You've got one. Measure it.
[03:03] <nigelvh> Or the datasheet
[03:03] <nigelvh> There may be a footprint somewhere, but I don't know of one.
[03:03] <eroomde> eagle library management and part creation is proper borked at leased for versions <= 5
[03:04] <nigelvh> Yeah, I recently got version 6. It's certainly not easy, but once you get used to it, it's not so bad.
[03:04] <eroomde> i've not tried it but on paper it looks like it's fixed a couple of annoyances
[03:05] <eroomde> what i would really love would be to be able to copy and paste chucks of layout
[03:05] <nigelvh> You can
[03:05] <eroomde> in 6?
[03:06] <nigelvh> You have to group it, then select the copy tool, then hold (I think it is) shift and right click on the group. Then you can copy the whole group.
[03:06] <nigelvh> I think it works in 5 too.
[03:06] <eroomde> in the layout?
[03:06] <nigelvh> I think so
[03:06] <eroomde> cos it throws up wobbles about back porting to the schematic
[03:07] <nigelvh> I'm not sure. I didn't try pasting it, but grabbing a copy worked fine for me
[03:08] <eroomde> give pasting a whirl sometime
[03:08] <nigelvh> Also the key is option on the mac. It might be shift on windows.
[03:08] <eroomde> if it works now it'd be super
[03:08] <nigelvh> I think it was the same way in 5, but I don't recall.
[03:08] <eroomde> things like doing an 8 channel adc where each channel needs an instrumentation amp and a low pass filter from 4 op-amps and loads of passives for each
[03:09] <eroomde> having to manually route 8 ones identically is a pig
[03:09] <nigelvh> No, you're right, it does whine about the schematic annotation
[03:09] <nigelvh> I had only grabbed the routes before, I had the origins layer turned off.
[03:10] <eroomde> so if you copy and apste in the schematic, you get all the copies of the parts 'loose' in the corner
[03:10] <eroomde> and you have to manually lay them out
[03:10] <eroomde> it's v annoying
[03:10] <eroomde> i want to be able to draw one soft front end in the schematic, lay it out properly in the layout, then repeat 8 times on both schem and pcb
[03:10] <nigelvh> Yeah, on the other hand, who are they to assume that the same part might be used for the same purpose, or you want it to be laid out in the same way
[03:10] <eroomde> that would be such a joy
[03:11] <nigelvh> You CAN do that with the routes though, and just put the parts on top of them.
[03:11] <eroomde> well quite, but if you could just c+p the *layout* and have it back annotate to the schematic, that would be problem solved
[03:11] <eroomde> nigelvh: ah interesting
[03:11] <eroomde> that might work for me then
[03:12] <eroomde> slightly less tiresome
[03:12] <nigelvh> just turn off the origins layer so you're not grabbing parts, then as far as eagle is concerned, you're drawing pretty pictures with the wires.
[03:13] <eroomde> good tip
[03:13] <eroomde> ty
[03:13] <eroomde> will use it
[03:14] <MLow> man this sucks
[03:14] <MLow> get all my major parts and the atmega breaks
[03:15] <eroomde> :)
[03:15] <nigelvh> You could print out a paper version if that would make you feel better. Make the space on the board feel a little less empty.
[03:15] <MLow> what is the difference between the atmega328-AU and atmega328P-AU
[03:16] <eroomde> the letter P
[03:16] <MLow> good catch
[03:16] <nigelvh> Good question. I've always used the P version
[03:16] <MLow> noted
[03:16] <MLow> non P is dollar cheaper
[03:16] <eroomde> which is all serious i think usually differentiates between the lower voltage parts
[03:16] <eroomde> so 1.8-5V (p) vs 3.3-5V
[03:16] <nigelvh> That would make sense
[03:16] <eroomde> you can't usually run such a fast clock at 1.8V though
[03:16] <MLow> right you still need like 5v for 16mhz
[03:17] <nigelvh> Yeah, you have to slow down. They do have a graph to derate the clock speed to voltage, in the data sheet you apparently can't get.
[03:17] <eroomde> right
[03:17] <eroomde> i think it's like 0.5* max for V < 3.3
[03:17] <eroomde> but check it out on the datasheet you can't get
[03:19] <MLow> anyone try the trackuino code on an atmega with only 1k sram?
[03:19] <nigelvh> Which atmegas does that include?
[03:20] <MLow> i remember reading they made the sram usage of trackuino smaller
[03:20] <MLow> 168's
[03:20] <MLow> for starters
[03:20] <nigelvh> I think I recall it running on the 168, though I haven't done it personally.
[03:20] <nigelvh> The guy did move a good bit out of ram and into program space.
[03:20] <MLow> its a further dollar difference between 328 and 168
[03:20] <eroomde> are you guys both in the states?
[03:21] <MLow> im in a state yes
[03:21] <nigelvh> Yeah
[03:21] <eroomde> dollar answers that q
[03:21] <nigelvh> It could be a canadian dollar
[03:21] <eroomde> and the trackduino is aprs right?
[03:21] <eroomde> true
[03:21] <eroomde> i withdraw
[03:21] <nigelvh> Yes, aprs
[03:21] <eroomde> cool
[03:25] <MLow> afk a few
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[05:41] <Darkside> fsphil: http://i36.tinypic.com/ifvnv8.jpg
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[06:04] <MLow> Australia - 20.8 million USA - 299.1 million
[06:06] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[06:07] <SpeedEvil> pre-yugoslavia breakup of course
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[06:40] <MLow> whats a good source for rg174U in the states?
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[07:11] <Lunar_Lander> good morning
[07:11] <Lunar_Lander> what is the weather in the UK?
[07:30] <cuddykid> morninh
[07:30] <cuddykid> FREEZING!
[07:30] <cuddykid> lol - be back in 30mins...
[07:33] <SpeedEvil> Fucking cold here too.
[07:36] <Upu> morning
[07:36] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[07:36] <Lunar_Lander> doesn't sound so good
[07:37] <Upu> I've updated the landing predictions
[07:37] <SamSilver_> me in my lab > http://imgur.com/gallery/FS50o
[07:37] <MLow> lol
[07:38] <MLow> yeah...
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[07:48] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[07:48] <x-f> talking about freezing and fcking cold - it's -26C here!
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[07:55] <eroomde> daveake: morning
[07:55] <Lunar_Lander> hello daveake
[07:55] <daveake> So it is :)
[07:55] <eroomde> all still go for the 1pm lunch plasn/
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[07:55] <Lunar_Lander> hello GW8RAK
[07:55] <GW8RAK> Monring Lunar_Lander
[07:55] <cuddykid> Upu: is the live predictor on the tracker?
[07:55] <GW8RAK> Or even Morning
[07:55] <daveake> Just about to check the prediction, but I do predict that lunch will still happen on time
[07:55] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[07:55] <Lunar_Lander> how are you GW8RAK?
[07:55] <eroomde> cool
[07:55] <eroomde> lemme know
[07:56] <cuddykid> last check of predictions here :)
[07:56] <GW8RAK> Fine, just been extremely busy at work and home and not been on for some time.
[07:56] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[07:56] <cuddykid> if my comp will load :D
[07:56] <Lunar_Lander> I was also busy with uni
[07:56] <Lunar_Lander> daveake: may I shout one word :)?
[07:56] <GW8RAK> How is it going? Good subjects study?
[07:57] <Lunar_Lander> yes, experimental physics and theoretical physics overlap with quantum mechanics and atomic physics
[07:57] <Lunar_Lander> and TP2 introduces some thermodynamics also
[07:57] <cuddykid> I'm going to try and go for an earlier launch here
[07:57] <Lunar_Lander> wave functions can be tedious to work with
[07:57] <GW8RAK> oooh, sounds like fun.
[07:57] <daveake> Prediction has moved ~2 miles SW, which is back to where it was earlier yesterday, so should be OK
[07:57] <cuddykid> aiming for 10:13 ishh
[07:58] <cuddykid> *15
[07:58] <cuddykid> not that precise lol
[07:58] <GW8RAK> Remember looking at wave functions and my eyes started bleeding
[07:58] <eroomde> daveake: cool
[07:58] <eroomde> link?
[07:58] <cuddykid> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=a39711679816bdfefc3d05c539232fe23942ab69
[07:58] <daveake> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=74a30e2e22f71add992ccdb3a094b8054b09b641
[07:58] <cuddykid> what do people think?
[07:58] <Lunar_Lander> ohh GW8RAK
[07:58] <eroomde> daveake: nice
[07:59] <eroomde> if you get ahead of it (probably not as it's a shortish flight) then getting to Ditchling Beacon to track is high recommended
[07:59] <SpeedEvil> Looks dry at least cuddyki
[07:59] <SpeedEvil> d
[07:59] <eroomde> panoramic views, highest point for miles
[07:59] <cuddykid> this ascent rate has to be spot on - to slow and ditching in london
[07:59] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[07:59] <daveake> eroomde that's in the flight plan sheet already :)
[07:59] <eroomde> and 5 miles from current predicted landing spot
[07:59] <eroomde> cool :)
[07:59] <cuddykid> filling the balloon right up
[07:59] <Lunar_Lander> yea cuddykid
[08:00] <cuddykid> quickly up and quickly down today :)
[08:00] <SpeedEvil> 'Downing street evacuated, after...'
[08:00] <Lunar_Lander> what might be interesting to look at one day what influence the gas temperature at filling has
[08:00] <daveake> I did the London - Brighton bike ride twice when I was at Uni. I remeber Ditchling Beacon quite well :p
[08:00] <Lunar_Lander> as the helium will be cold due to expansion
[08:00] <eroomde> oh blimey
[08:00] <eroomde> you would remember that
[08:01] <SpeedEvil> Helium has a very, very good thermal conductivity, and a very low heat capacity
[08:01] <SpeedEvil> it's going to heat up quite rapidly
[08:01] <daveake> After a while I ran out of gears and had to push the bike up
[08:01] <SpeedEvil> Also - liquid helium has a low refractive index.
[08:01] <cuddykid> alternatively - I could wait until later and go higher - http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=7a41605e0c4020918ebe30b1a4c4c8debb9cb975
[08:02] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: Final predictions checked and #HABE2 is ready to fly this morning - aiming for an earlier launch than planned - 10:15am GMT [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/165706876116410369]
[08:02] <eroomde> cuddykid: you'll appreciate the daylight
[08:03] <eroomde> go earlier, my advice :)
[08:03] <cuddykid> eroomde: yup - going for the morning
[08:03] <cuddykid> plus the snow
[08:03] <cuddykid> plus it's clear sky here now, would be some awesome photos
[08:03] <GW8RAK> The BBC are still making a song and dance out of the weather
[08:03] <GW8RAK> Perhaps they haven't realised it is winter
[08:03] <daveake> lol
[08:03] <eroomde> cuddykid: if i wasn't at daveake's i could elp you chase
[08:03] <eroomde> i live in oxford
[08:04] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[08:04] <Lunar_Lander> at uni we got a Helium Liquifier
[08:04] <cuddykid> oh, spot on! no worries :)
[08:04] <eroomde> cuddykid: there's a really really really good pub in chinnor
[08:04] <eroomde> well, gastropub
[08:04] <eroomde> called the Sir Charles Nappier
[08:04] <cuddykid> eroomde: noted! It'll be around lunch time too :P
[08:04] <cuddykid> :D
[08:05] <eroomde> it just got a michelin star
[08:05] <cuddykid> ooooo! definitely :)
[08:06] <eroomde> it's pretty hill round there though
[08:06] <eroomde> might be tricky to keep signal
[08:06] <eroomde> i'd get there asap
[08:06] <cuddykid> I'll be relying on the backup tracker
[08:06] <eroomde> so you can track it in
[08:06] <cuddykid> and yeah, full speed down there :P
[08:06] <SpeedEvil> Helium is 2kJ/kg/K, helium has a density of 178g/m^3. So, 350J/m^3/K If it starts out at 200K, it needs to warm by 100C, or 35KJ.
[08:06] <cuddykid> eroomde: it's not too built up there is it? Mostly the north downs?
[08:06] <SpeedEvil> I don't recall seeing mention of liquid air dripping off the hose?
[08:07] <eroomde> m40 all the way
[08:07] <SpeedEvil> Does it get frosty?
[08:07] <eroomde> eroomde: chilterns
[08:07] <eroomde> cuddykid: ^
[08:07] <eroomde> it's not populated,m nope
[08:07] <cuddykid> cool :)
[08:07] <eroomde> lots of country tracks
[08:07] <eroomde> but windy and woody and hilly
[08:07] <cuddykid> last thing I want is it falling on someones head or house - especially when playing games running a cutdown& lol
[08:07] <Lunar_Lander> yeah SpeedEvil, should heat up
[08:07] <eroomde> so i would def suggest launchign earlier and giving plnty of time for recovery
[08:08] <Lunar_Lander> *quick
[08:08] <cuddykid> I just fear the parachute may not be as good as last time
[08:08] <eroomde> that's to your advantage
[08:08] <eroomde> it'll land firther north
[08:08] <eroomde> which is much flatter
[08:08] <cuddykid> right, breakfast then launch preps! back in a big
[08:08] <daveake> Smaller = better for me too
[08:08] <cuddykid> *bit
[08:08] <cuddykid> eroomde: brill :)
[08:08] <eroomde> i currently work at westcott
[08:08] <eroomde> which is very near where it dog-legs after bursting
[08:09] <eroomde> on the earlier pred
[08:09] <eroomde> should really have left an antenna set up there!
[08:09] <SpeedEvil> Assuming 10W/m^2/K, at the balloon surface, that's 50W/m^2/K. If it's 100K below atmospheric, that's 5000W heat input to the balloon. It will hit 60% rise after 7 seconds.
[08:09] <SpeedEvil> So, cold gas in the balloon is almost not an issue at all.
[08:10] <SpeedEvil> (10W/m^2/K is based from the loss from a normal glass window of 5W/m^2/K)
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[08:10] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[08:10] <Lunar_Lander> sounds reasonable
[08:10] <Lunar_Lander> thanks for doing the math :)
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[08:10] <eroomde> so anyhoo, on the current prediction my recommendation would be: launch, dive onto the m40
[08:10] <SpeedEvil> I wish I could get some nice warm liquid helium.
[08:10] <eroomde> get off the m40 at chinnor/lewknor junction
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[08:10] <SpeedEvil> I want it to cool some LEDs, while not looking like water.
[08:11] <eroomde> and when you get into chinnor, turn right at the crossroads to head up the hill, as you can see on the map
[08:11] <SpeedEvil> Silly physical reality and not allowing liquids with RI of under 1.3 or so.
[08:11] <eroomde> and watch it come in to you
[08:12] <daveake> From Ditchling Beacon I could watch it come in ... or watch it go out to sea :p
[08:12] <eroomde> nice day either way
[08:13] <daveake> :)
[08:13] <eroomde> though it'll be arctic up there
[08:13] <daveake> yep
[08:13] <Lunar_Lander> yea SpeedEvil
[08:13] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde: ROFL
[08:13] <Lunar_Lander> "And James was rubbish with the shotgun"
[08:14] <eroomde> daveake: not sure on my chasing arrangements yet with you - depends on how it looks after launch as i have to be back this evening. but, if it looks to be landing further west, i know that area quite well
[08:14] <eroomde> as i'm from just south of horsham
[08:14] <eroomde> and know a few good stracking spots along the downs
[08:15] <daveake> Well I think that, considering the nearness of the sea, filling it to the brim would be a good idea. Then it's down to the chinese rubber how far up and east it goes
[08:15] <Darkside> lasts longer than you do ^TM
[08:15] <eroomde> not a sentence to be taken out of context
[08:15] <eroomde> too slow
[08:15] <daveake> lol
[08:15] <GW8RAK> :)
[08:16] <GW8RAK> Why did I automatically take that out of context?
[08:16] <eroomde> daveake: sounds sound
[08:16] <eroomde> well, if it landing nearer pulborough then we can stop off at mine
[08:17] <Lunar_Lander> well South Africa banned the Import of Chinese condoms just a week or so before the Horus 16 ascent
[08:17] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[08:18] <GW8RAK> lol
[08:18] <daveake> cuppa - afk
[08:21] <daveake> Nice clear sky. Usefully there are 3 jey vapour trails and I can see them moving south-east, thus confirming the prediction :D
[08:21] <daveake> jet
[08:23] <cuddykid> was clear about 10mins ago - now clouding over :(
[08:24] <cuddykid> quick question - is neck lift the amount you want the weight hanging off balloon when filling to weigh?
[08:26] <daveake> Yes
[08:26] <daveake> Which = some test weight plus an amount for the filler
[08:26] <eroomde> remember to account for fill tube mass
[08:26] <daveake> fizz bottles are good
[08:26] <eroomde> too slow
[08:27] <eroomde> again
[08:27] <daveake> :)
[08:29] <Darkside> daveake: whats the word?
[08:29] <daveake> There is a word and the word is good
[08:30] <eroomde> i forgot to account for fill tube mass once a couple of years ago
[08:30] <Darkside> yay
[08:30] <eroomde> just slipped my mind
[08:30] <daveake> Prediction almost unchanged over the last 48 hours so going ahead
[08:30] <Darkside> 1300?
[08:30] <eroomde> ended up with a perfectly neutral bouyant launch
[08:30] <eroomde> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xchspy_ukhas-church-hill-site-project-orio_webcam
[08:30] <daveake> 1300
[08:30] <eroomde> watch from 0.45
[08:30] <cuddykid> does 2.5kg sound about right for Hwoyee 1000G with 950g payload? Last time I got it quite wrong lol - need a fast ascent rate this time (fairly critical)
[08:30] <eroomde> you can see the football match the payload cleaves through
[08:30] <daveake> 2.5k yes
[08:31] <daveake> For my prediction the lift is 2.4kg. But I'll go a bit higher
[08:32] <daveake> lol
[08:32] <daveake> Sorry :)
[08:32] <daveake> Skaing all over would have been a better tune
[08:32] <daveake> shaking even
[08:35] <daveake> Darkside I did a temperature test with the rfm22b, got 3.4kHz shift between zero and 40 deg C
[08:35] <Darkside> thats not too bad
[08:35] <daveake> Nope
[08:35] <Darkside> i wonder if its as linear with low temps
[08:35] <daveake> Also, unlike the ntx2, I didn't have to change the gap at all
[08:35] <Darkside> mm
[08:35] <daveake> No, there's an inversion when it gets colder
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[08:36] <eroomde> interesting
[08:36] <daveake> My payload maintains 20C difference between outside and inside, so we should get down to -20 or so
[08:37] <daveake> Might be a higher difference when the lid is on properly
[08:37] <cuddykid> poor payload having to start of in these temps!
[08:37] <daveake> (not that there's much of a route for the heat to escape without the lid)
[08:38] <Darkside> so i'll be running Upu's remote machine
[08:38] <Darkside> is there going to be another launch?
[08:38] <daveake> Just the 2
[08:38] <Darkside> or is it just yours daveake
[08:38] <Darkside> so your 2 payloads? or 2 launches
[08:38] <daveake> cuddykid is launching first
[08:38] <cuddykid> last min mod to the cutdown - was thinking last night that when (if) the cutdown fires there is nothing to stop it just cutting through the chute too - loo roll tube to the rescue to offer some protection!
[08:38] <eroomde> afk bbiab
[08:38] <daveake> "last min mod" .... oh goodie :)
[08:38] <cuddykid> Darkside: hopefully launching around 10:30gmt
[08:38] <Darkside> cuddykid: have you tested the cutdown?
[08:38] <daveake> Darkside see https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/424295_10150530574687654_695937653_8796346_1637824355_n.jpg
[08:38] <cuddykid> Darkside: yeah
[08:39] <Darkside> ok
[08:39] <cuddykid> but I still don't hold much hope lol
[08:39] <cuddykid> first test of it
[08:39] <Darkside> daveake: scary
[08:39] <daveake> :D
[08:39] <Darkside> so thats the rfm22b one?
[08:40] <daveake> Yes. There's a wall between that and the batteries you see there
[08:40] <daveake> So the electronics are pretty much in the middle
[08:40] <Darkside> cool
[08:40] <daveake> You can see the slices in the ball
[08:40] <Darkside> yup
[08:40] <Darkside> ok
[08:40] <daveake> It's so cute I want to eat it :p
[08:41] <number10> has it got Terry's written on it
[08:41] <daveake> lol
[08:41] <Darkside> hmm
[08:41] <daveake> No, just various Buzz stickers
[08:41] <Darkside> cuddykid: ok
[08:42] <Darkside> i should be able to track yours just after dinner
[08:42] <cuddykid> awesome
[08:42] <cuddykid> if the telemetry works through my botch job antenna :)
[08:42] <Darkside> >_>
[08:42] <Darkside> got a pic?
[08:44] <cuddykid> http://www.flickr.com/photos/acudworth/6813811235/in/set-72157627177202669 and the next photo
[08:44] <cuddykid> last min mod looks good!
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[08:45] <Darkside> oh dear
[08:45] <Darkside> well this'll be interesting
[08:46] <Darkside> you have ground radials and such?
[08:46] <cuddykid> yeah
[08:47] <cuddykid> same antenna that flew on 1st flight that did really well
[08:47] <cuddykid> picked up ~500km away
[08:47] <Darkside> ok
[08:49] <gonzo_> mornin all
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[08:49] <gonzo_> whats the plans for the two launches?
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[08:50] <daveake> 10:15 for cuddykid I believe, and 1pm for me
[08:51] <gonzo_> ah, good news
[08:51] <gonzo_> I'll be about for yours dave
[08:51] <gonzo_> and should be good signals here
[08:51] <daveake> cool. Where's here?
[08:52] <gonzo_> Poole, dorset
[08:52] <daveake> Yeah, should get it pretty early from there
[08:53] <gonzo_> I'm in a hole in thr ground, but there is a ressonable path out to the east
[08:54] <fsphil> Darkside, that map is brilliant
[08:57] <number10> daveake: between where I usually put my antenna and expected landing site, is my house :(
[08:57] <daveake> Poor planning :(
[08:57] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] Re: CLOUD3 Flight Announcement"
[08:58] <cuddykid> bloody hell it's so cold
[08:58] <fsphil> ah no fair, no snow forecast for here
[08:58] <cuddykid> my hands were numb after about 2mins
[08:58] <cuddykid> this is going to be a long filling session!
[08:58] <SpeedEvil> cuddykid: keep your hands warm in natures pocket.
[09:07] <cuddykid> radio now has new batteries in
[09:10] <number10> mmm aparently I am supposed to take Mrs10 somewhere this moning, but she not ready to go out :-||
[09:11] <SpeedEvil> Cable-ties + firemans lift.
[09:11] <GW8RAK> She's missed her slot then number10. Reschedule for later :)
[09:11] <number10> I bet that will go down well
[09:12] <GW8RAK> SWMBO
[09:12] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: #UKHAS #ARHAB - This morning's #HABE2 flight (~10:30GMT). 434.075mhz; RTTY; 50baud, 8bits, no parity, 1.5 stop bits. Any help appreciated :) [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/165724365869162496]
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[09:13] <cuddykid> btw people who are tracking - selecting "HABE2" in fldigi will give a 23(or something ) shift - it should be 600mhz :)
[09:13] <Darkside> 600MHz eh?
[09:14] <GW8RAK> No Darkside, I think he means milli Hz
[09:15] <GW8RAK> Darkside, HF conditions to Australia have been good this week in the early mornings
[09:16] <Darkside> early morning your time?
[09:16] <GW8RAK> Yes, grey line, around 0700 to 0800
[09:16] <GW8RAK> UTC
[09:17] <GW8RAK> On 20m
[09:17] <natrium42> how much GMT is it now?
[09:18] <GW8RAK> 0917 GMT
[09:18] <GW8RAK> =UTC
[09:19] <natrium42> and launch is at?
[09:19] <GW8RAK> I think 1015
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[09:20] <natrium42> sweet
[09:20] <natrium42> ty
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[09:25] <cuddykid> lol dafrks
[09:25] <cuddykid> *darkside
[09:25] <cuddykid> that was typing with gloves on :P
[09:25] <cuddykid> I think launch will be 10:30
[09:26] <cuddykid> I'm trying to get someone down at the launch site to watch over the stuff so I can start shipping things down
[09:26] <cuddykid> should start moving stuff in about 5mins
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[09:31] <navrac2> Daughters turned up[ early for car shopping - but its cold so I should be back for your launch daveake at least. Sorry I cant track anyone elses
[09:37] <Darkside> ok i'm getting set up to track
[09:37] Action: fsphil forgot he reinstalled the pc used for tracking... has to compile dl-fldigi. yay
[09:38] <Darkside> hey, the autoconfigure worked on upus box
[09:38] <WillDuckworth> good skills fsphil
[09:39] <fsphil> Darkside, I think he's got a beta version with the fix
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[09:39] <Darkside> cool
[09:40] <fsphil> if it is, the auto-retuning thing should work too
[09:40] <fsphil> brb
[09:41] <Darkside> ok well i'm connected and ready
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[09:47] <Lunar_Lander> wb GW8RAK
[09:47] <Lunar_Lander> hello andrew_apex
[09:47] <andrew_apex> morning Lunar_Lander !
[09:47] <GW8RAK> Back and getting set up for launch while listening to HF
[09:48] <cuddykid> right - stuff is down at launch site
[09:48] <Darkside> GW8RAK: hmm
[09:48] <cuddykid> just need to set up payload here now :)
[09:48] <Lunar_Lander> good
[09:48] <Darkside> i wonder if anything is open to the UK atm
[09:48] <Darkside> i'm all set up for data now
[09:48] <GW8RAK> You passed another licence recently IIRC
[09:48] <Darkside> HAP charts suggest only 15m would be open
[09:48] <Darkside> yep
[09:48] <GW8RAK> What more can you do?
[09:48] <Darkside> i'm now a full call
[09:48] <Darkside> everything
[09:48] <GW8RAK> Oh, everything
[09:49] <Darkside> i've got the highest license class you can get in this country
[09:49] <Darkside> I'm now VK5QI
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[09:49] <Darkside> currently hunting PSK31
[09:50] <GW8RAK> Trying to decode a slow mode on 21.075 at the mo.
[09:50] <cuddykid> going to be about 10mins setting up here
[09:51] <Lunar_Lander> when my other PC works again, I'll gonna try out Hellschreiber by the example that james posted
[09:51] <Lunar_Lander> can dl-fldigi work off the soundcard?
[09:51] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[09:51] <Lunar_Lander> there is a playback feature in it right?
[09:52] <Lunar_Lander> (I mean if I play the file on the harddrive)
[09:53] <eroomde> moderatelly poor taste but,
[09:53] <eroomde> disasters recreated with cauliflower
[09:53] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/Y9ttS.jpg
[09:54] <Darkside> hah
[09:54] <cuddykid> backup tracker done
[09:57] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside: you are on a globaltuner near Bradford?
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[09:59] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: no
[09:59] <Darkside> i'm using upus remote rig
[09:59] <Darkside> anyone know if my prefix is correct?
[09:59] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[10:00] <cuddykid> main battery pack done
[10:00] <cuddykid> doing camera now
[10:01] <Darkside> aha yes my prefix is right
[10:01] <Darkside> according to the RSGB
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[10:05] <GW8RAK> Lunar_Lander do you have HF there?
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[10:05] <Lunar_Lander> no, sorry
[10:05] <Lunar_Lander> only got the Yaesu currently and that only works on 70 cm
[10:05] <GW8RAK> Strong Hell on 15m today
[10:05] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[10:05] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[10:05] <Lunar_Lander> can dl-fldigi understand it?
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[10:06] <GW8RAK> Yes. Ukrainian station calling CQ
[10:06] <Darkside> i hear nothing on 15m...
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[10:06] <Darkside> too much noise here
[10:07] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[10:07] <Darkside> i'll check on the tassie RX
[10:08] <costyn> morning
[10:09] <cuddykid> payload almost complete
[10:09] <cuddykid> real fiddle
[10:11] <Darkside> oh wow
[10:11] <Darkside> just found someone working Olivia on 20m
[10:11] <cuddykid> looks like it's all working
[10:12] <cuddykid> just waiting for lock before continuing
[10:12] <GW8RAK> there's also a bit on 15m
[10:12] <costyn> cuddykid: good luck!
[10:12] <cuddykid> cheers
[10:12] <Darkside> a hapanese station
[10:12] <Darkside> japanese
[10:12] <Darkside> niiiiiice
[10:12] <Darkside> oh wow
[10:12] <Darkside> its a south korean talking to a japanese station
[10:12] <Darkside> well thats interesting
[10:12] <cuddykid> got lock!
[10:12] <cuddykid> :D
[10:13] <NickB1> lassen power :)
[10:13] <fsphil> people using olivia?
[10:13] <Darkside> yep
[10:13] <Darkside> Olivia 32/1000
[10:13] <fsphil> why do I have to be stuck in the office! grr
[10:13] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: #HABE2 setup almost complete - In payload box and now has GPS lock [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/165739700529790976]
[10:13] <eroomde> daveake: about to leave with david r
[10:13] <eroomde> can you text me your mob no
[10:14] <Darkside> i might put out a CQ
[10:14] <eroomde> hang on let me pm you my mob
[10:14] <GW8RAK> Darkside, is that from Upu's rig?
[10:14] <fsphil> I might bring my radio when I'm in .au
[10:15] <Darkside> GW8RAK: no
[10:15] <Darkside> GW8RAK: i'm receiving here at home
[10:15] <Darkside> (the HF i mean)
[10:15] <GW8RAK> Thought I'd got it wrong
[10:16] <number10_2E0DBR> fsphil: put in for your full -get the app in by 10th feb :-) then mad rush for four weeks swat
[10:16] <Lunar_Lander> what does olivia do?
[10:16] <GW8RAK> On 14.103?
[10:16] <Darkside> 14107
[10:16] <Darkside> they've stopped now
[10:16] <Darkside> i'm calling CQ
[10:16] <Darkside> or i was
[10:16] <fsphil> number10_2E0DBR, that's the plan :)
[10:16] <number10_2E0DBR> excelent
[10:16] <GW8RAK> Could hear Olivia on 103, but strong Pactor signal on 107
[10:16] <fsphil> I'm sure I can fit the 817 into the case
[10:17] <costyn> fsphil: where in EU are you headed?
[10:17] <GW8RAK> Can you listen on 103?
[10:18] <Darkside> GW8RAK: hold
[10:18] <Darkside> just waiting on 107 for a little bit
[10:18] <GW8RAK> Ok
[10:18] <Darkside> to see if anyone comes back to my C!
[10:18] <fsphil> costyn, further - australia. maybe
[10:18] <Darkside> woah
[10:18] <Darkside> YES
[10:18] <fsphil> lol
[10:18] <fsphil> contact!
[10:18] <GW8RAK> Great!
[10:19] <costyn> fsphil: sorry read that wrong :)
[10:19] <Darkside> HL5KY
[10:19] <Darkside> hehehe
[10:20] <fsphil> where's he/she from?
[10:20] <GW8RAK> South Korea
[10:21] <fsphil> not bad!
[10:23] <Darkside> not bad for 30W :D
[10:23] <fsphil> My most distant contact is someone near Moscow
[10:23] <GW8RAK> Could hear some weak Olivia there, but now a Yugslavian station has come up
[10:23] <cuddykid> see you guys later - I'm heading down to launch site!
[10:23] <NickB1> good luck
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[10:24] <GW8RAK> Using Yugoslavia dates me :(
[10:26] <NickB1> do you guys know of any experiments I could do at high altitude ?
[10:26] <NickB1> got a call yesterday for my submission to launch in march
[10:27] <NickB1> but they didnt like it that much if its just as a hobby
[10:27] <NickB1> (I'm from Belgium)
[10:27] <GW8RAK> Ask Lunar_Lander, he's got loads of ideas for experiments
[10:28] <Lunar_Lander> hello NickB1
[10:28] <NickB1> oh Hello
[10:28] <NickB1> could you help me out ? :)
[10:28] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[10:28] <Lunar_Lander> meteorological data is easy first of all
[10:28] <Lunar_Lander> get a barosensor, thermometer and hygrometer
[10:28] <NickB1> I'm open to all ideas
[10:28] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[10:29] <Lunar_Lander> for cosmic rays, there are geiger counters
[10:29] <Lunar_Lander> one moment
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[10:29] <NickB1> ok
[10:30] <Lunar_Lander> like this http://mightyohm.com/blog/products/geiger-counter/
[10:31] <NickB1> thanks!
[10:31] <NickB1> looks very interesting
[10:32] <NickB1> but could I get some interesting data out of it ?
[10:32] <NickB1> I need some kind of motivation
[10:32] <natrium42> you can do it, NickB1
[10:32] <natrium42> i believe in you!
[10:33] <NickB1> not that kind of motivation :D
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[10:33] <natrium42> D:
[10:34] <NickB1> need to write some text that clarifies the purpose of the flight
[10:34] <daveake> Chase car on ze map now. Thought the car PC was broken
[10:34] <daveake> Fortunately it was just a twist connection in the monitor cable that had loosened
[10:34] <Lunar_Lander> NickB1: I'm currently trying to find out how to connect that geiger to arduino
[10:35] <Lunar_Lander> the future will be to build a coincidence counter
[10:35] <Lunar_Lander> like three geiger tubes that only register if all are struck simultaneously
[10:36] <NickB1> looks like it has a standard uart ?
[10:38] <staylo> #
[10:38] <GW8RAK> Got the Ukrainian station on Hell
[10:38] <Darkside> nice
[10:38] <NickB1> Lunar_Lander, can you pm me your email ?
[10:38] <NickB1> would be glad to help out
[10:38] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[10:38] <Lunar_Lander> one moment please
[10:39] <NickB1> ok
[10:39] <GW8RAK> Time to turn HF off and go to 70cm
[10:39] <Darkside> hehe
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[10:41] <SamSilver> NickB1: nice one > http://www.embeddedadventures.com/barometric_pressure_sensor_module_mod-1009.html
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[10:44] <fsphil> GW8RAK, fancy trying a 70cm contact? unlikely I know
[10:44] <fsphil> I'm only setup for digital modes
[10:45] <GW8RAK> Can try Phil. Just setting things up
[10:46] <GW8RAK> Trying to work out if I have 70cm digital modes? Can certainly RX
[10:46] <fsphil> I wonder what the best mode would be
[10:47] <GW8RAK> We need more balloon launches. It's the only time when I'm in the shack long enough to tidy up
[10:47] <fsphil> lol
[10:47] <GW8RAK> PSK?
[10:47] <fsphil> good idea
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[10:47] <SpeedEvil> OFDM
[10:48] <fsphil> 432.100 usb
[10:49] <GW8RAK> I'm all ears
[10:49] <fsphil> transmitting now
[10:50] <fsphil> done
[10:50] <GW8RAK> I'll just stick the preamp on
[10:51] <GW8RAK> Try again
[10:51] <fsphil> I'm not sure what power the rig is set to, I think it's 20 watts
[10:51] <fsphil> k
[10:51] <fsphil> tx'ing
[10:51] <fsphil> done
[10:51] <GW8RAK> What audio frequency?
[10:52] <fsphil> +1500hz
[10:52] <GW8RAK> That's where I am and there's something there
[10:52] <GW8RAK> Try again please
[10:52] <fsphil> tx'ing now
[10:52] <fsphil> added a few extra lines to the call
[10:53] <GW8RAK> Nothing I'm afraid
[10:53] <GW8RAK> But I'm just on the colinear.
[10:53] <fsphil> not surprised, but worth a go
[10:53] <fsphil> yea same here
[10:53] <GW8RAK> Need a bit of a lift on
[10:53] <fsphil> some day that'll work
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[10:54] <fsphil> I was listening out during the night of the aurora but didn't hear anything unusual
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[11:02] <GW8RAK> Any updates on launch times?
[11:02] <fsphil> we're into bill time now
[11:02] <fsphil> last I hear was 10:30
[11:02] <fsphil> +d
[11:02] <Hiena> How is the forecast?
[11:03] <fsphil> Temperature, External: 2.3000000000000003 C
[11:03] <fsphil> precisely :)
[11:04] <daveake> That's some degree of precision
[11:04] <WillDuckworth> hey daveake - are you going to be chasing cuddykid's payload at all?
[11:04] <SpeedEvil> http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=893904&body=MAIN - for canadian peeps
[11:04] <daveake> Well I wasn't, but looking at that prediction ....!
[11:05] <WillDuckworth> that's what i thought - almost on your head!
[11:05] <daveake> :)
[11:05] <daveake> I could not bother with mine; just attach his payload to a fresh balloon :)
[11:05] <WillDuckworth> lol. are you trying h2?
[11:06] <daveake> No, not ordered any yet
[11:06] <daveake> I got an account with BOC during the week so I can
[11:06] <WillDuckworth> another time - would be good to see what happens
[11:06] Action: fsphil has been looking at fire suits
[11:06] <daveake> Yep
[11:06] <daveake> lol
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[11:06] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: Fun! What do you put on them, and how long does it burn?
[11:07] <chembrow> morning all
[11:07] <daveake> Ah, the first text in from the balloon :)
[11:07] <fsphil> SpeedEvil, latex and hydrogen :)
[11:07] <Darkside> what is adam doing..
[11:07] <SpeedEvil> just go with leather, and a bucket of water
[11:07] <SpeedEvil> Or take the cunning precaution of having your clothing soaked with water by the weather.
[11:08] <fsphil> I think as long as the fill is slow, there's no real risk
[11:08] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: Indeed.
[11:08] <fsphil> just takes ages
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[11:08] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: I'd say go with cotton/wool/gloves wear a face-protector, and have some means of extinguishing fires.
[11:09] <fsphil> oh definitely, we'll keep a small extinguisher in the car
[11:09] <Darkside> so is adam launching...
[11:09] <fsphil> no word yet Darkside
[11:09] <daveake> Had to rest dl-fldigi 'cos it wasn't even trying to upload. OK now.
[11:09] <fsphil> ah just seen the prediction
[11:09] <daveake> restart
[11:10] <fsphil> first relay launch?
[11:10] <daveake> :D
[11:10] <daveake> He needs to get a move on or I'll be gone
[11:10] <fsphil> now *this* should be an olympic event
[11:11] <daveake> lol
[11:11] <Lunar_Lander> XD
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[11:11] <fsphil> gives new meaning to cross-country
[11:11] <Lunar_Lander> xD yeah
[11:11] <fsphil> the 100km sprint
[11:11] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[11:11] <Hiena> Hehehehe...
[11:11] <daveake> I'll go for the high jump
[11:11] <Lunar_Lander> will it be shown on Eurosport?
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[11:13] <fsphil> fldigi has decided it doesn't want to scroll the receive window automatically
[11:14] <cuddykid> problems
[11:14] <cuddykid> helium won't come out
[11:15] <cuddykid> it dooes when adapter off, when its on it sounds like somethings blocked
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[11:15] <fsphil> ah nuts
[11:16] <cuddykid> the adapter is frozen up
[11:16] <SpeedEvil> can you blow throguh the adaptor?
[11:16] <cuddykid> trying to warm it up
[11:17] <Darkside> oh man
[11:17] <Darkside> #UKproblems
[11:17] <Darkside> we don't have problems with freezing adaptors in australia
[11:17] <Darkside> :P
[11:17] <fsphil> psssh, who'd launch in the snow! .. oh wait...
[11:18] <daveake> :)
[11:18] <MLow> mouser doesnt seem a very good source of rg174u
[11:19] <fsphil> it's warmed up here today
[11:19] <fsphil> raining instead of snow
[11:19] <cuddykid> warming adapter up now
[11:20] <chembrow> we've seen nothing of the snow here. it's not even particularly cold
[11:20] <SamSilver> cuddykid: could the adapter be the type that needs to be bent? the black tube type
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[11:21] <SpeedEvil> It snowed today.
[11:21] <SpeedEvil> 0.1mm, and then melted
[11:21] <SpeedEvil> I'm trying to work out how to attach a sheet of plastic to my greenhouse.
[11:21] <SpeedEvil> So it will stay put in the even of 70MPH+ winds
[11:24] <fsphil> I'm afraid all my suggestions would be unhelpful
[11:24] <cuddykid> faulty adapter
[11:24] <WillDuckworth> any joy cuddykid? i've got an adapter in the garage if needs be...
[11:24] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: could you bring it if poss?
[11:24] <cuddykid> can't do anything here :(
[11:25] <GW8RAK> While waiting, I was just looking at the webcam on Anglesey and there's someone going out windsurfing.
[11:25] <cuddykid> we can collect if thats better?
[11:25] <GW8RAK> Not the warmest of days for it
[11:25] <fsphil> it's bad even thinking of it GW8RAK
[11:25] <cuddykid> can we run the pipe from helium unregulated?
[11:26] <fsphil> I've heard of people doing it cuddykid but I wouldn't recommend it
[11:26] <fsphil> if it comes out too fast it could damage the balloon neck
[11:26] <SpeedEvil> you could add a little air, then poke the hose into the air pocket
[11:27] <SpeedEvil> (I am not recommending this, just seems plausible)
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[11:28] <WillDuckworth> i'm on my way..........
[11:28] <SpeedEvil> Probably the more sane option.
[11:31] <cuddykid> thanks Will :)
[11:36] <natrium42> \o/
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[11:38] <Lunar_Lander> cuddykid: you wanted to launch 1130?
[11:38] Nick change: fsphil -> fsphil_2I0VIM
[11:38] <Lunar_Lander> or 1030?
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[11:51] <WillDMobile> Ok nearly finished filling
[11:51] <natrium42> yay
[11:51] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[11:51] <Lunar_Lander> well done
[11:51] <andrew_apex> what's a normal HAB shift? 425 or something?
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[11:53] <daveake> Ed and Dave have arrived. Bacon Butties being prepared :-)
[11:53] <Lunar_Lander> andrew_apex: yes
[11:53] <Lunar_Lander> hello RocketBoy
[11:54] <Lunar_Lander> yay dave
[11:54] <Lunar_Lander> daveake:
[11:54] <Lunar_Lander> strange TAB error
[11:54] <daveake> What's one of those?
[11:54] <Lunar_Lander> ah I typed dave and hit TAB
[11:55] <Lunar_Lander> then it said that daveake and davekh are available
[11:55] <Lunar_Lander> so I typed davea and hit TAB but it didn't do anything
[11:55] <Lunar_Lander> normally it would write daveake in that case
[11:59] <fsphil_2I0VIM> bacon butties? drat
[11:59] <fsphil_2I0VIM> why do I have to be so far!
[12:01] <Lunar_Lander> is that tasty?
[12:01] <NickB1> just googled it
[12:01] <NickB1> very hungy now
[12:01] <NickB1> *hungry
[12:03] <fsphil_2I0VIM> oh it's very nice
[12:03] <SamSilver> I hate to swear but "Jamie Oliver" has some good ideas on butties
[12:03] <fsphil_2I0VIM> bacon just smells brilliant, plus the added bonus that it's in a bap!
[12:03] <SamSilver> but then Elton John has some strong feelings about butties aswell
[12:03] <chembrow> Bacon, Sausage, Egg and Black Pudding double-decker sandwich :)
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[12:04] <WillDMobile> Just about to go off now... Ish time
[12:04] <GW8RAK> Methinks it's getting near lunch time
[12:04] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[12:04] <Lunar_Lander> WillDMobile: balloon ready?
[12:05] <SamSilver> lunch not launch lol
[12:05] <WillDMobile> Yep go go go
[12:05] <Lunar_Lander> YAY
[12:06] <Lunar_Lander> btw once Jamie Oliver had a guy of British Gas cooking with him
[12:06] <Lunar_Lander> I liked the pullover with the logo
[12:06] <Lunar_Lander> any idea where to get a British Gas pullover?
[12:06] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I have a British Gas laptop
[12:06] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[12:06] <fsphil_2I0VIM> 486
[12:06] <GW8RAK> I have a British Gas bill
[12:06] <fsphil_2I0VIM> lol
[12:07] <SamSilver> my dog has gas Period!
[12:07] <Laurenceb_> whats happening?
[12:07] <Laurenceb_> i see lots of hovering
[12:07] <Darkside> in australia we burn the dreams of young children
[12:07] <Laurenceb_> near the ground
[12:07] <cuddykid> it's launched
[12:07] <Lunar_Lander> YAY
[12:07] <cuddykid> rebooting comp - sound card stuck
[12:07] <Laurenceb_> woo
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[12:07] Action: fsphil_2I0VIM is still compiling dl-fldigi
[12:08] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside: what is burned?
[12:08] <Darkside> the young children
[12:08] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[12:08] <Darkside> (i hope you realise i'm joking)
[12:08] <Darkside> also i hope theres no germans here
[12:08] <Lunar_Lander> of course yea
[12:08] <Laurenceb_> lmao
[12:08] <Lunar_Lander> yea, from Germany I am
[12:08] <SamSilver> lol
[12:08] <Laurenceb_> hahaha
[12:09] <Darkside> whoops
[12:09] <GW8RAK> Foot in mouth time Darkside
[12:09] <Darkside> SHH DON'T MENTION THE WAR
[12:09] <Lunar_Lander> we once watched a movie
[12:09] <Lunar_Lander> it was about camps for aboriginies in the 1930s or so
[12:10] <Laurenceb_> 0.30000000000000004 °C
[12:10] <Lunar_Lander> and there was a young woman and their siblings who escaped and they walked through the desert to get back to their old village
[12:10] <Laurenceb_> thats... precise
[12:10] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: The rabbit proof fence
[12:10] <SamSilver> oooh temp is going up
[12:10] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I think so
[12:10] <Lunar_Lander> and it was a true story IIRC
[12:10] <Darkside> probably
[12:10] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[12:10] <GW8RAK> Which one has launched? Cloud and Buzz?
[12:10] <Darkside> these modules drift down with lowering temp, right?
[12:10] <Darkside> or do they drift up
[12:10] <Darkside> GW8RAK: nah, have
[12:10] <Darkside> habe
[12:11] <GW8RAK> Pardon my English :)
[12:11] <Lunar_Lander> we could do a bench test on how the NTX2 responds to temperature
[12:11] <Lunar_Lander> maybe
[12:11] <Lunar_Lander> and run that several times
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[12:11] <Lunar_Lander> maybe it is reproducable and we get what we can expect
[12:11] <Lunar_Lander> in terms of tuning
[12:11] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think?
[12:11] <GW8RAK> Altitude is doing funny things on Cloud
[12:12] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside: ?
[12:12] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[12:12] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: maybe
[12:12] <Lunar_Lander> and no one seems to hear HABE yet
[12:12] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside: yeah
[12:12] <Darkside> i'm just more concerned about where i should be listening now
[12:12] <Lunar_Lander> the best case would be that the curves are similar all the time
[12:12] <Darkside> cuddykid: let us know the dial frequency when you can
[12:12] <gonzo_> is HABE up yet?
[12:12] <Lunar_Lander> or only a little hysteresis
[12:12] <cuddykid> yep
[12:12] <Lunar_Lander> lunch time here I think
[12:13] <cuddykid> 434.071
[12:13] <Lunar_Lander> brb
[12:13] <Laurenceb_> prediction a little off
[12:13] <SamSilver> cuddykid: well done
[12:14] <Darkside> mm theres a bit of local QRM at upus site
[12:14] <fsphil_2I0VIM> that's normal
[12:15] <Darkside> ok i can just see it on the waterfall
[12:15] <Darkside> nowhere near decodable yet
[12:15] <Laurenceb_> getting cold up there
[12:15] <Laurenceb_> Darkside: you in UK?
[12:16] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: no
[12:16] <Darkside> i'm remoting into Upus rig
[12:16] <Darkside> hence why i'm appearing on the map
[12:16] <Laurenceb_> ah
[12:17] <Darkside> starting to decode fragments of data...
[12:17] <Darkside> shouldn't be long before i get solid decodes
[12:17] <fsphil_2I0VIM> Darkside, have you ever decoded anyone elses launches in australia?
[12:17] <fsphil_2I0VIM> afaik you're the only group launching there
[12:17] <Darkside> pretty much, yeah
[12:17] <Darkside> theres another group in NSW who use APRS
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[12:17] <Darkside> but they've only done one launch
[12:18] <Darkside> theres also a few people that launch illegally
[12:18] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ah
[12:19] <gonzo_> can hear it here
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[12:19] <Darkside> interesting
[12:20] <gonzo_> can anyone prompt me how I adjust the shift freq?
[12:20] <Darkside> i'm seeing it say No GPS occasionally
[12:20] <gonzo_> can';t get it to ajust in the modem config window
[12:20] <Darkside> gonzo_: custom shift
[12:20] <Darkside> its on teh drop down list
[12:20] <gonzo_> ar rgr got it ta
[12:21] <Darkside> yay got a decode
[12:21] <GW8RAK> Can hear bursts of RTTY, but it seems quite weak
[12:22] <Darkside> GW8RAK: its almost continuous
[12:22] <Darkside> only very short gaps between packets
[12:22] <Darkside> if Upu's receiver is calibrated well, you'll hear it on 434.072MHz
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[12:23] <Darkside> cuddykid: why is the counter being replaced with "No GPS" occasionally?
[12:23] <natrium42> haha, predicted to land where the car is
[12:23] <UpuWork> calibrated? :)
[12:23] <cuddykid> Darkside: not sure - I think it's a loop problem
[12:23] <Darkside> UpuWork: hehe
[12:24] <chembrow> got a nice strong signal, but no fldigi :( compiling now
[12:24] <UpuWork> updating landing predictions still at customers
[12:24] <UpuWork> afk
[12:24] Action: fsphil_2I0VIM throws an apple at DanielRichman for using a silly dependency that isn't packaged for his distro :p
[12:24] <Darkside> hehe
[12:25] <chembrow> fsphil_2I0VIM: I feel that.
[12:25] <chembrow> configure; yum install x; configure; yum install u; ...
[12:26] <Darkside> hmm who is 2E0DBR?
[12:26] <number10_2E0DBR> me number10
[12:26] <GW8RAK> That's better. Dodgy connector - thrown in bin
[12:26] <Darkside> ahh :P
[12:26] <Darkside> should have just checked the /names
[12:26] <fsphil_2I0VIM> chembrow, https://github.com/fsphil/dl-fldigi/wiki
[12:26] <Andy-g0poy> getting some data from HABE2 - drop down list gives wrong shift - set to 600
[12:26] <number10_2E0DBR> only just got int
[12:26] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I've got a full list of fedora dependencies
[12:27] <fsphil_2I0VIM> though you'll run into other problems if you're using F16
[12:27] <chembrow> yah, I'm on F16 :(
[12:28] <Darkside> should have been running debian...
[12:28] <Darkside> :P
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[12:28] <chembrow> worst case I'll drop into windows
[12:28] <fsphil_2I0VIM> F16 updated the fltk version, and the fldigi that we base dl-fldigi on won't compile cleanly for it
[12:28] <chembrow> Darkside: RedHat distros are just a habit now. Everything else is just peculiar
[12:28] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I'm with chembrow on that
[12:29] <fsphil_2I0VIM> how do I get scons to install
[12:30] <number10_2E0DBR> $$HABE2,No GPS mmm
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[12:31] <GW8RAK> There's still satisfaction in getting your first decode of a launch :)
[12:31] <WillDuckworth> it's a loop in the code
[12:32] <chembrow> "./include/dl_fldigi.h:17:24: fatal error: curl/types.h: No such file or directory" :(
[12:32] <Darkside> oh that problem
[12:32] <Darkside> thats a 32/64 bit issue
[12:32] <fsphil_2I0VIM> chembrow, comment out that line
[12:33] <Laurenceb_> solar panels charge batteries through diodes?
[12:33] <fsphil_2I0VIM> it'll build without
[12:33] <Laurenceb_> or what
[12:33] <SamSilver> 32 / 64 will bring down a rocket
[12:33] <chembrow> yeah, quick google shows they've moved wverything into curl.h
[12:34] <NickB1> Laurenceb_ : I think the solar panels just have a resistive load as a test
[12:34] <Laurenceb_> ah
[12:34] <SamSilver> IE 6.1 rocks
[12:34] <Laurenceb_> ...
[12:35] <fsphil_2I0VIM> chembrow, you're next error will be about types. you need to change a bunch of "short*" variables to "int*"
[12:35] <cuddykid> guys - do you think we should head M5 south?
[12:35] <chembrow> fsphil_2I0VIM: It's bitching about libjepg now.
[12:36] <fsphil_2I0VIM> chembrow, I got stuck at that one
[12:36] <Darkside> oh dear, this is why you shouldn't ever use a XOR checksum...
[12:36] <fsphil_2I0VIM> still looking
[12:36] <chembrow> just gonna go grab my other laptop, think that's still got fldihi on it
[12:36] <chembrow> I'll sort this lappy out later
[12:36] <Darkside> checksums are passing, but the data is obviously incorrect
[12:36] <UpuWork> predictions updated
[12:36] <UpuWork> have a good flight!
[12:36] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: #HABE2 is now in the air after a long setup - helium adapter failed. Track here: http://t.co/7G3NBY5p chasing now [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/165775828481884161]
[12:37] <gonzo_> I'm getting good telem, but no appearing on the tracking pages?
[12:37] <Darkside> same gonzo_
[12:37] <number10_2E0DBR> check decoded goes green - check also online
[12:38] <Darkside> i've been getting quite a few greens that havent showed up online
[12:38] <gonzo_> rgr and rgr
[12:38] <Darkside> ahh but i can see there were obviously wrong characters in the 'valid' sentence
[12:38] <Laurenceb_> something has hung?
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[12:39] <Laurenceb_> ah updated
[12:39] <GW8RAK> Just update
[12:39] <Laurenceb_> very cold
[12:39] <Darkside> these xor checksums are a bad idea
[12:39] <Darkside> i'm getting way too many valid decodes
[12:40] <SamSilver> bugger
[12:40] <fsphil_2I0VIM> this is the .650 launch isn't it?
[12:40] <SamSilver> I hate it when that happens
[12:40] <Darkside> fsphil_2I0VIM: 075
[12:40] <Darkside> HABE
[12:40] <Laurenceb_> heh its passed tropopause
[12:40] <gonzo_> ok, appearing now.
[12:40] <Laurenceb_> at ~10.5Km
[12:40] <Laurenceb_> temperature is stable/rising a litle
[12:41] <Laurenceb_> 8.22v wtf
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[12:41] <natrium42> once it gets to max altitude it will be like http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lh8kafeA2d1qza3e8o1_500.jpg
[12:42] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I think I see it on the waterfall
[12:42] <cuddykid> Laurenceb_: that would be right
[12:42] <cuddykid> peak voltage on the ground is around 8.5V
[12:42] <Darkside> cuddykid: next time use a CRC16 please
[12:42] <cuddykid> lol
[12:42] <Darkside> srs
[12:43] <chembrow> brb
[12:43] <Darkside> you're getting incorrect data through
[12:43] <Darkside> solar voltage just went from 8.5 to 0.28v
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[12:44] <fsphil_2I0VIM> the signal I see just got very strong, then disappeared
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[12:48] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ah there it is
[12:48] <Darkside> 434073
[12:48] <Andy-g0poy> getting better results with a shift of 550 for HABE2
[12:49] <UpuWork> you getting that via me Darkside or via GLobaltuners ?
[12:49] <Darkside> UpuWork: you
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[12:49] <UpuWork> cool
[12:51] <fsphil_2I0VIM> still very weak here -- it's pouring down outside, I bet that's attenuating the signal
[12:51] <gonzo_> should not affect the sigs, but a wet antenna may do
[12:52] <gonzo_> good strong sigs here, only qrm is killing the decode
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[12:54] <chembrow> in Windows now :( but go fldigi running at least
[12:54] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: in pursuit of #HABE2 down the M5 [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/165780383659606016]
[12:55] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil_2I0VIM: you mean like digital sat TV is affected by rain?
[12:55] <number10_2E0DBR> strane, I have dissapeared from the map
[12:56] <cuddykid> I'm not getting good signal (probably because of car)
[12:58] <gonzo_> she's strong on the yagi and the short (1mtr long) dual band omni
[12:58] <cuddykid> every string that I'm getting has one or two dodgy chars
[12:58] <chembrow> got one :)
[13:00] <chembrow> how do you manually post lines?
[13:00] <cuddykid> what's up with the live prediction?! South coast? Looks like it should be landing chilterns atm
[13:01] <Darkside> cuddykid: i see it predicting to land near daveakes location
[13:01] <gonzo_> freq ia wandering a little, poss voltage variations on the solar?
[13:01] <cuddykid> ahh, maybe I need to reload
[13:02] <cuddykid> voltage variations may be to do with swinging
[13:02] <gonzo_> Dave could recover and launch it back to you?!
[13:02] <cuddykid> bear in mind that the sun is relatively low in the sky and it's on top
[13:02] <cuddykid> lol gonzo_
[13:02] <gonzo_> swing should not cause that much shift?
[13:02] <Darkside> gonzo_: he's talking about solar panel voltage shift
[13:02] <Darkside> not frequency shift
[13:03] <gonzo_> you can get issues with gravity on xtans, but not that prenounced?
[13:03] <Darkside> thats just going to be due to short-time temperature variances
[13:03] <gonzo_> rgr, the center carrier freq is wandering u and down by 50hz, ish
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[13:04] <chembrow> typical, perfect decode and "No GPS" :)
[13:04] <fsphil_2I0VIM> 8 or 7-bit?
[13:04] <cuddykid> I have a feeling something may happen - as it was snowing at launch - I hope snow hasn't frozen onto camera lens as it ascended
[13:04] <cuddykid> chase car location update: M5 by tewskbury (spelling)
[13:04] <gonzo_> 8bit
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[13:04] <Andy-g0poy> The Tx freq seems fairly stable, but the mark-space tomes are wandering quite bit.
[13:05] <Darkside> cuddykid: jeez, you guys need to get a move on!
[13:05] <fsphil_2I0VIM> getting some strings but nothing complete
[13:05] <gonzo_> the no-gps packets do not increment the packet serial number.
[13:05] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I'm not running dl-fldigi though so even if I do it won't upload
[13:05] <cuddykid> lol Darkside I know
[13:05] <cuddykid> got an sms backup tracker that I'll be texting during descent
[13:05] <cuddykid> oh no - 50 mph speed limit on motorway - ridiculous!
[13:06] <fsphil_2I0VIM> wobbly signal
[13:06] <cuddykid> I'd like to say a HUGE thanks to WillDuckworth for saving the day :)
[13:06] <Darkside> wow that is wobbling a bit
[13:06] <fsphil_2I0VIM> burst or turbulance?
[13:06] <Darkside> drifting up and down by about 100hz
[13:06] <number10_2E0DBR> I got a sentence that had invalid character but correct crc
[13:06] <Darkside> short time temperature variations
[13:06] <SpeedEvil> number10_2E0DBR: Congrats!
[13:06] <Darkside> number10_2E0DBR: yep, this happens with XOR checksums
[13:06] <gonzo_> rgr seeing about that. a few seconds period
[13:07] <Darkside> its why nobody should use them
[13:07] <number10_2E0DBR> lol
[13:07] <SpeedEvil> Well - CRC has that too
[13:07] <SpeedEvil> I'm with father Jack on this.
[13:07] <SpeedEvil> FEC.
[13:07] <Darkside> hahaha
[13:07] <Darkside> yes
[13:07] <gonzo_> hehe
[13:07] <number10_2E0DBR> crc 16 is no big deal to program
[13:07] <gonzo_> (and drink, girls)
[13:08] <gonzo_> I wrote it on mine for the PIC
[13:08] <gonzo_> (I think?)
[13:08] <number10_2E0DBR> mine is on pic too
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[13:08] <number10_2E0DBR> non of this new sof serial rubbish either
[13:08] <Darkside> hehe
[13:08] <gonzo_> sof?
[13:08] <Lunar_Lander> *soft
[13:08] <Darkside> new soft serial is an abomination
[13:09] <number10_2E0DBR> new soft serial
[13:09] <Lunar_Lander> yeah and in arduino 1.0 they even integrated it!
[13:09] <Lunar_Lander> :S
[13:09] <Darkside> oh god really
[13:09] <number10_2E0DBR> is summint that people with arduino use
[13:09] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[13:09] <gonzo_> soft serial?
[13:09] <Randomskk> bitbanged serial
[13:09] <Darkside> its fine for output...
[13:09] <Darkside> not for input though
[13:09] <Darkside> Randomskk: !!
[13:09] <Darkside> yo
[13:09] <Randomskk> hey Darkside
[13:09] <Randomskk> sup
[13:09] <Laurenceb_> is cloud launching?
[13:09] <Lunar_Lander> so Darkside when I have GPS & OpenLog
[13:09] <Lunar_Lander> I better take Mega right?
[13:09] <Laurenceb_> id bang some serial too
[13:09] <Lunar_Lander> as it got 4 UARTs
[13:09] <Laurenceb_> no wait
[13:10] <chembrow> is there a way to post decodes via the web interface? Or can you "fix" them in fldigi?
[13:10] <Laurenceb_> *cough* stm32
[13:10] <Randomskk> chembrow: uh, yea, hang on
[13:10] <gonzo_> uarts these days tend not to do 5bit baudot
[13:10] <gonzo_> so little use for my tracket
[13:10] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: you can use NewSoftSerial for *output*
[13:10] <gonzo_> r
[13:10] <Darkside> just don't use it for input
[13:10] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[13:10] <Darkside> so you could use it to send data to the openlog
[13:11] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[13:11] <Lunar_Lander> but the GPS on UART
[13:11] <chembrow> most of the decodes I'm getting are only 1 or 2 obvious characters out
[13:11] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: yes
[13:11] <chembrow> $HABE2,538,13:10:52,51.8454,-1.6694,19704,-81,-250,25,18*39
[13:11] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[13:11] <DanielRichman> fsphil_2I0VIM: yo it wasn't packaged for my distro either :P
[13:12] <cuddykid> can't load the tracker page
[13:12] <cuddykid> freezing 1/2 way
[13:12] <cuddykid> probably my signal
[13:12] <Darkside> cuddykid: you want to get to where dave is
[13:12] <Laurenceb_> landing on davekh
[13:12] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[13:12] <fsphil_2I0VIM> DanielRichman, I had packaged it but it's on my laptop and I'm stuck in the office
[13:12] Action: fsphil_2I0VIM didn't think ahead
[13:13] <cuddykid> :D
[13:13] <number10_2E0DBR> cuddykid: they have finished all the bacon butties at daves
[13:13] <SpeedEvil> That is a really close prediction. :)
[13:13] <SpeedEvil> Planned burst was 31km if I recall?
[13:13] <cuddykid> come off the M5 at cheltnam - heading to Oxford way
[13:13] <gonzo_> then there's nowt more to do, other than launch
[13:13] <gonzo_> (and collect habe2)
[13:13] <Randomskk> chembrow: got it
[13:13] <Randomskk> http://habitat.habhub.org/transition/
[13:13] <cuddykid> SpeedEvil: ~30km
[13:13] <Randomskk> just put a callsign in the callsign box and the string you received in the string box and hit go
[13:14] <Randomskk> should be okay
[13:14] <chembrow> thanks Randomskk
[13:14] <Laurenceb_> into the polar stratospheric vortex now
[13:14] <SpeedEvil> cuddykid: pretty much on planned ascent rate.
[13:14] <Darkside> hmm
[13:14] <cuddykid> yep - made sure to fill it right up
[13:14] <cuddykid> again, WillDuckworth was a great help with filling :D
[13:14] <Darkside> oh crap
[13:14] <Darkside> guys
[13:15] <Darkside> burst prediction is for 20km
[13:15] <cuddykid> lol
[13:15] <Darkside> next update should show the 30km prediction
[13:15] Action: SpeedEvil zooms out from the purple car.
[13:15] <gonzo_> thought the puff icon was in a strange place
[13:15] <cuddykid> it should be high wicom landing
[13:16] <Darkside> well thats interesting
[13:16] <SpeedEvil> Eeek.
[13:16] <DiJuMx> My update shows predicted Watford landing
[13:16] <Darkside> yup
[13:16] <Darkside> watford
[13:16] <SpeedEvil> np: The Clash - London Calling.
[13:16] <chris_99> what frequency are you guys on?
[13:16] <Darkside> SpeedEvil: very topical there
[13:16] <Darkside> cuddykid: 434.073
[13:17] <Darkside> chris_99:
[13:17] <chris_99> cheers :)
[13:17] <gonzo_> strong sigs, peaking S4 here
[13:17] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I'm on 434.072 now
[13:17] <cuddykid> guys - i think it should come down faster
[13:17] <Darkside> cuddykid: what descent rate
[13:17] <Darkside> i can fix up the predictor
[13:18] <cuddykid> not sure, running with cutdown on top of chute that will probably affect it
[13:18] <Darkside> maybe
[13:18] <Darkside> when will your cutdown trigger?
[13:19] <cuddykid> wires to cutdown came off just before launch :(
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> Oh - you have a range-...
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[13:19] <number10_2E0DBR> when the fet connection algorith works out which is the gate source and drain
[13:19] <Darkside> cuddykid: wires?
[13:20] <cuddykid> darkside: control wires
[13:20] <cuddykid> for mosfet
[13:20] <Darkside> ahh
[13:20] <Darkside> damn
[13:20] <Darkside> yeah this is why my cutdown is going to be a separate unit...
[13:20] <Darkside> looks like dave has launched
[13:20] <Darkside> the RFM22B payload isnt going through
[13:21] Action: SpeedEvil realises balloons pretty much start out pear-shaped.
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> So a launch can't really go pear shaped
[13:22] <WillDuckworth> hey, no probs cuddykid. looks like it may be inside m25 :(
[13:22] Action: DiJuMx watches as HABE predicted landing drifts towards Luton Airport
[13:22] <cuddykid> :(
[13:22] <gonzo_> got to pop out, but will leave the RX going
[13:22] <Darkside> i've set the descent rate to 6m/s
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> It needs to go a bit south to be a friendly bomb.
[13:23] <cuddykid> we've had to go off the beaten track to get fuel
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough!
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> It isn't fit for humans now,
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> There isn't grass to graze a cow.
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> Swarm over, Death!
[13:23] <WillDuckworth> gotta go now - good luck
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[13:25] <Andy-g0poy> getting good data from cloud
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[13:26] <fsphil_2I0VIM> still choppy HABE1 data here, it doesn't seem to be clearing up. I guess the weather really is affecting it
[13:26] <fsphil_2I0VIM> or there's water getting into my antenna
[13:26] <chembrow> what freq is cloud on?
[13:26] <cuddykid> According to google maps - will be another 1hr 50mins until near landing
[13:26] <fsphil_2I0VIM> .650 + .200
[13:26] <Darkside> .650 for cloud
[13:26] <Laurenceb_> awesome
[13:26] <Laurenceb_> 2 in the air at once
[13:26] <chembrow> thx
[13:27] <fsphil_2I0VIM> right, I'm going for food. don't let any of them burst until I get home :p
[13:27] <Darkside> idon't think anyone is tracking the .200 payload atm
[13:27] <Laurenceb_> on different frequencies i guess?
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[13:28] <number10_2E0DBR> i am Darkside
[13:29] <Laurenceb_> are buz and cloud the same baloloon?
[13:29] <Laurenceb_> oops
[13:29] <number10_2E0DBR> yes
[13:30] <Andy-g0poy> huge signal from BUZZ on 434.203
[13:33] <Lunar_Lander> big altitude difference
[13:33] <Darkside> thats just differences in packets coming in
[13:34] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[13:34] <Lunar_Lander> but the other transmitter seems to work
[13:34] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[13:36] <Darkside> can just barely see bus on the waterfall
[13:36] <Darkside> buz
[13:36] <Darkside> buzz
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[13:37] <Darkside> wow, thats drifting interestingly
[13:38] <Andy-g0poy> yes drifting HF quite a lot, I will have to recentre in a min
[13:39] <Andy-g0poy> now retuned to 434.204.9 - that put the LF tone on 1000Hz mark
[13:39] <Darkside> oh goddamnit
[13:39] <Darkside> dave used a XOR checksum too
[13:39] <Darkside> WHYYYYYYYYY
[13:41] <Andy-g0poy> drifted up by 250Hz now
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[13:42] <cuddykid> burst any min i bet
[13:44] <Laurenceb_> boo
[13:44] <Darkside> there it gos
[13:44] <Laurenceb_> didnt reach 30
[13:44] <Andy-g0poy> Cloud is S0.5 on the meter, Buzz is s3
[13:44] <Darkside> just missed 30km
[13:44] <Darkside> Andy-g0poy: whats the bet he forgot to set the output power
[13:44] <Darkside> and left it at the default
[13:44] <number10_2E0DBR> mmm
[13:44] <Andy-g0poy> mAYBE, HOPE THE BATTERY LASTS!
[13:45] <Darkside> SO DO I
[13:45] <Andy-g0poy> Sorry caps lock on
[13:45] <Lunar_Lander> any airports or so in the range of HABE?
[13:45] <Lunar_Lander> hope there aren't
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[13:46] <chembrow> getting some nice healthy decodes on cloud here
[13:46] <Darkside> i'm getting buzz very nicely on upus rig
[13:46] <cuddykid> glad its coming down :)
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[13:47] <Darkside> cuddykid: i'm wondering about your parachute...
[13:47] <Andy-g0poy> Frequency drift seems to have slowed down a bit now.
[13:47] <Darkside> i thought most payloads would be slowed down to about 15-20m/s by now...
[13:47] <Lunar_Lander> I think it could come down where the map says Watford
[13:47] <Lunar_Lander> cuddykid: mass and chute size please
[13:47] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: the problem is the cutdown on top of the chute
[13:47] <cuddykid> 950g payload
[13:47] <Lunar_Lander> ah OK
[13:47] <Darkside> which may affect the chutes operation
[13:48] <cuddykid> cute 36" i think
[13:48] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> :)
[13:48] <cuddykid> yep Darkside
[13:48] <Lunar_Lander> that is THE thing
[13:48] <Lunar_Lander> there should be some way to have the cutdown below the chute
[13:48] <Lunar_Lander> or so
[13:48] <Lunar_Lander> or just the nichrome coil above the chute or so
[13:48] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: the other option is to give the cutdown a tiny drogue chute
[13:48] <Lunar_Lander> in the NASA balloons they have the squibs between balloon and chute
[13:48] <Lunar_Lander> yeah good idea
[13:49] <Darkside> better option is to have the cutdown cut BELOW the cutdown payload
[13:49] <cuddykid> going to text it in a sec
[13:49] <Darkside> and have the wires connecting the cutdown to the main payload have a release on them
[13:50] <number10_2E0DBR> let us know if it works
[13:50] <Andy-g0poy> Retuned BUZZ to 434.205.9
[13:50] <Darkside> so when the cutdown triggers it locks on, and the payload disconnects
[13:50] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[13:50] <Darkside> well it doesnt even need to lock on
[13:50] <Lunar_Lander> but I think that the cutdown will have a considerable mass due to the battery
[13:50] <Darkside> if the wire disconnects then the cutdown has done its job
[13:50] <Darkside> but yeah,
[13:51] <Darkside> leave the cutdown device attached to the balloon
[13:51] <NigelMoby> snow!!!!
[13:51] <Darkside> you only need to get a logic level signal up to it
[13:51] <Lunar_Lander> ok
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[13:51] <NigelMoby> my green grass is white! :@
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[13:53] <Darkside> so, we should be able to work out which payload is above the other :P
[13:53] <Darkside> on daves flight
[13:53] <Darkside> i think cloud is above buzz
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[13:53] <Darkside> daveake_: yo!
[13:53] <Darkside> buzz is working nicely
[13:53] <daveake_> yo!
[13:53] <Darkside> did you forget to set the output power or something? :P
[13:54] <daveake_> Yeah, much better than cloud
[13:54] <daveake_> No :D
[13:54] <Darkside> so its at default eh?
[13:54] <Darkside> default is of course 10mW
[13:54] <Darkside> *cough*
[13:54] <daveake_> No, 8db
[13:54] <Darkside> suuuuuuuuure
[13:54] <Darkside> anyway, its working well
[13:54] <NigelMoby> Mmhmm
[13:54] <daveake_> I used a value navrac gave me and he said it was 8, officer
[13:54] <Darkside> its drifting a bit, but still working well
[13:55] <daveake_> Sorry I'm on late - chase car battery waqs flat !!!
[13:55] <Darkside> ohh dear
[13:55] <JC_> Oops
[13:55] <Lunar_Lander> HABE2 back in troposphere
[13:56] <daveake_> Got started off David's car
[13:56] Nick change: JC_ -> Jack
[13:56] <daveake_> chase car updater won't start
[13:56] <daveake_> hence we're not on the map
[13:56] Nick change: Jack -> Guest48739
[13:57] <Darkside> daveake_: what updater are you using
[13:57] <Andy-g0poy> Buzz freq much more stable now, seems to have drifted slightly LF by a 100Hz or so.
[13:57] <daveake_> java one
[13:57] <Darkside> chasetracker?
[13:57] <daveake_> yep
[13:57] <Darkside> heh
[13:57] <Darkside> whats the error?
[13:57] <daveake_> justamo
[13:58] <daveake_> ah port in use
[13:58] <daveake_> my fault
[13:58] <Darkside> derp
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[14:00] <daveake_> error 5 access denied
[14:00] <cuddykid> habe2 now 7km up
[14:00] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: #HABE2 burst ~30km - now descending [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/165796962266914816]
[14:01] <Laurenceb_> did it freeze?
[14:02] <Laurenceb_> seems to have lost signal
[14:03] <Andy-g0poy> Buzz freq now drifted by about 600Hz LF - I will need to retune getting near to Rx passband.
[14:04] <cuddykid> i've got signal
[14:04] <Nickle> A question on parachutes.
[14:04] <cuddykid> lots of rubbish coming through though
[14:04] <Nickle> What size for what weight of payload?
[14:04] <cuddykid> can't get a clear string
[14:05] <NickB1> Nickle, http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:parachute_sizing_chart
[14:05] <cuddykid> 4.1km
[14:05] <cuddykid> alt
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[14:06] <cuddykid> 3.8km
[14:06] <cuddykid> got a lat/long
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[14:07] <Nickle> Thanks for the sizing!
[14:07] <Darkside> cuddykid: what dial freq
[14:07] <cuddykid> .071
[14:08] <cuddykid> near hempsted
[14:08] <number10_2E0DBR> $$HABE2,703,14:7:20,51.7102,-0.7573,3161,-235,)12595,130*36
[14:08] <Darkside> mm ok, too weak here
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[14:12] <daveake__> righto, serial port issue sorted. car should be on the map now
[14:13] <SpeedEvil> It is!
[14:13] <JC_> Yup
[14:13] <daveake__> Ah, looks like we're going to Eastbourne :D
[14:14] <daveake__> Wonder if they have good fish and chips ..........
[14:14] <cuddykid> backup tracker working!
[14:14] <cuddykid> rtty signal lost
[14:15] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:15] <cuddykid> got last few locations
[14:15] <SpeedEvil> Well - :( - but :)
[14:15] <chembrow> buzz is much clearer than cloud, but cloud still decodable
[14:15] <Andy-g0poy> I went to eastbours about 40 years ago, if they had a chippie I did not find it.
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[14:15] <gonzo_> lost here, just back in, but it must have died only a min before I got back in
[14:15] <cuddykid> yay - getting location from backup
[14:15] <daveake__> cool
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[14:16] <SpeedEvil> Are cloud/buzz on the same string?
[14:16] <cuddykid> I believe habe2 has landed
[14:16] <Darkside> yes SpeedEvil
[14:16] <daveake__> Yes, same piece of string
[14:16] <Laurenceb_> its texing location?
[14:16] <cuddykid> yep
[14:16] <Laurenceb_> awesome, must be down/almost down
[14:17] <daveake__> Don't forget they send at different times so they won't ever send the same position. Till it lands, maybe.
[14:17] <cuddykid> landed, same location coming through
[14:17] <daveake__> nice one
[14:18] <gonzo_> congrats on a good flight, hope recovery goes well
[14:18] <SpeedEvil> cuddykid: :)
[14:18] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: #HABE2 has landed! Location known from sms backup tracker.. driving to location now - will be > 1hr [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/165801356282703873]
[14:18] <cuddykid> thanks :)
[14:18] <gonzo_> dave, taking telem from buzz
[14:19] <Darkside> cuddykid: so where did it land?
[14:19] <cuddykid> one sec, just getting location
[14:19] <SpeedEvil> Tree!
[14:19] <gonzo_> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[14:19] <daveake__> good I need more trackers :)
[14:19] <number10_2E0DBR> lol
[14:19] <gonzo_> oops
[14:19] <cuddykid> a field *near* a wood
[14:20] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:20] <cuddykid> 51.7068183333333, -000.73273
[14:20] <daveake__> near is good. up in tree less good
[14:20] <cuddykid> ETA - 45mins :D
[14:21] <Darkside> oh man
[14:21] <cuddykid> in the middle of a field :D
[14:21] <Darkside> http://g.co/maps/6drf3
[14:21] <cuddykid> perfect! - let's hope it is actually there
[14:21] <Darkside> check this out
[14:21] <Darkside> look at the businesses on rignall road
[14:21] <number10_2E0DBR> there is a nice footpath nearby cuddykid
[14:21] <Darkside> Great Escape Ballooning
[14:21] <cuddykid> :D
[14:21] <Darkside> Altitude balloons
[14:21] <cuddykid> awesome!
[14:21] <DiJuMx> I'm slightly amazed at how close to the predicted landing it was
[14:22] <cuddykid> same - very good
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[14:22] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: landing location for #HABE2 looks good - very near prediction - thanks to the excellent #UKHAS team for tracking :) [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/165802465579630593]
[14:22] <jcoxon> hey all
[14:22] <daveake__> hiya
[14:22] <jcoxon> how is buzz doing in comparison
[14:23] <jcoxon> ?
[14:23] <daveake__> Here, better than cloud
[14:23] <gonzo_> the keying from buzz sounds quite raspy, cloud is clean though
[14:23] <number10_2E0DBR> if you drive to rignall farm 51.70990, -0.72678 you can take the footpath through the woods cuddykid
[14:23] <cuddykid> yep, 33 miles to go
[14:23] <jcoxon> gonzo_, yeah thats what it sounds like on the bench
[14:23] <Laurenceb_> haha
[14:23] <Laurenceb_> Altitude Ballooning
[14:24] <gonzo_> buz is stronger here by abouyt 6db.
[14:24] <Andy-g0poy> You can see lots of ringing on the buzz signal in the waterfall - prob a square wave tone reather than sine.
[14:24] <jcoxon> wonder what setting buzz is on
[14:24] <jcoxon> regarding power output
[14:25] <gonzo_> or the synth loop parting as you chage freq
[14:25] <daveake__> One equivalent to the ntx2.
[14:25] <gonzo_> farting
[14:25] <daveake__> Well that was the intention ...
[14:25] <jcoxon> daveake__, but there isn't a 10dbm setting :-)
[14:25] <daveake__> 8db
[14:25] <jcoxon> so lower then
[14:26] <jcoxon> i think you could argue that 11dbm is okay as the antenna ain't perfect
[14:26] <daveake__> Yeah, closest I mean
[14:26] <daveake__> Could be that the cloud antenna got bent at launch
[14:26] <daveake__> Windy so 2 of us ran, 1 payload each
[14:27] <gonzo_> on the sdr, the difference is clser to 10dB stronger for buzz
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[14:27] <jcoxon> shame i don't live down in worthing anylonger
[14:27] <Andy-g0poy> buzz is getting out of my range now - signal fading up and down quite badly
[14:27] <daveake__> Know anyone still there? Someone who has a boat? Just in case ;)
[14:28] <jcoxon> umm not really :-(
[14:28] <number10_2E0DBR> i am convinced there was something wrong with the bit timing on Habe2, I have just tuned into cloud which has a lot weaker signal and pefect decoding
[14:28] <gonzo_> I'm getting good sigg, but not registering on the tracket page
[14:29] <gonzo_> 'CLOUD' is correct?
[14:29] <jcoxon> gonzo_, i see you are putting in strings
[14:29] <gonzo_> ah, yes see that njow
[14:29] <daveake__> gonzo_ I did see you listed earlier on the map
[14:29] <gonzo_> just a bit slow to catch up?
[14:30] <eroomde> back in ox
[14:30] <eroomde> just firing up the tracker
[14:30] <gonzo_> seems to take a while for the strings to be accepted?
[14:30] <daveake__> Hi Ed, thanks a lot of helping out earlier :)
[14:30] <number10_2E0DBR> any good those bacon butties eroomde ?
[14:30] <daveake__> lol
[14:31] <daveake__> They are to be eaten and never talked about
[14:31] <number10_2E0DBR> just wondering if its worth poping round daveake__ ;)
[14:31] <daveake__> You're welcome of course :)
[14:31] <number10_2E0DBR> :)
[14:31] <daveake__> In your popemobile?
[14:31] <gonzo_> have had solid copy for ages but only a few points on the path show me as logging
[14:32] <jcoxon> gonzo_, if lots are people are submitting sometimes it doesn't display them all
[14:32] <gonzo_> rgr np
[14:32] <daveake__> It's only showing one or two here. I've never seen my tracker on there but I know I've had data uploaded
[14:33] <daveake__> Anyway so long as it has data I'm happy
[14:33] <eroomde> number10_2E0DBR: bacon butties very good!
[14:33] <eroomde> highly recommended
[14:33] <daveake__> :D
[14:33] <number10_2E0DBR> :)
[14:33] <eroomde> infact a pretty essential way to start the day doing hab
[14:33] <daveake__> Indeed
[14:33] <daveake__> Julie says "thankyou" :)
[14:34] <eroomde> when it was mainly just laucnhes from churchill, we always did them on a saturday as college did brunch from 11am to 2pm
[14:34] <daveake__> I'll order in some brown sauce for next time
[14:34] <daveake__> Must do a BBQ launch in the summer
[14:34] <eroomde> which was always a very quiet and hung over affair for most of college but also wonderful fuelling before a launch
[14:34] <daveake__> One where it doesn't travel far
[14:34] <daveake__> :)
[14:34] <eroomde> daveake__: hairy prediction!
[14:35] <chembrow> cloud decodes getting choppy herer
[14:35] <daveake__> Yeah, what descent rate is that assuming?
[14:35] <eroomde> yeah
[14:35] <eroomde> it's gonna come down quite fast
[14:35] <daveake__> I know :)
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[14:36] <Laurenceb_> funny trolling technique: secretly follow balloons then more them to areas with trees as soon as they land
[14:36] <Laurenceb_> *move
[14:36] <SpeedEvil> heh
[14:37] <daveake__> Prediction moved inland just now. Keep that up, please :)
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[14:38] <daveake__> Hi Jack. Warm where you are?
[14:38] <jackclark> Not there yet mate, packing
[14:38] <jackclark> -32 this morning
[14:38] <daveake__> ouch
[14:39] <jackclark> Can't wait :)
[14:39] <daveake__> Chase car wouldn't start after launch - presumably dodgy battery plus lots of electronics running from it.
[14:39] <daveake__> But we'd have done well to get close before landing anyway
[14:40] <jackclark> For sure, I still think its going to land further north
[14:40] <Lunar_Lander> daveake__: I think the patch would have made a splashdown
[14:40] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[14:41] <daveake__> Small chute. It should do. Also the balloon may decide to burst later, moving it east
[14:41] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[14:41] <Lunar_Lander> we'll see
[14:41] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[14:41] <Lunar_Lander> I hope the best
[14:41] <daveake__> Oh, that reminds me ......
[14:41] <Lunar_Lander> yes?
[14:41] <Lunar_Lander> don't say that the mail came just today
[14:41] <daveake__> ...... your patch arrived as I was packing up the payload :D
[14:41] <Lunar_Lander> so it's on?
[14:41] <daveake__> In
[14:41] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[14:41] <Lunar_Lander> YAY
[14:42] <Lunar_Lander> good thing I took those airmail stickers from uni
[14:42] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[14:42] <daveake__> So yes, it it lands in the sea, it's YOUR FAULT
[14:42] <Lunar_Lander> (not that surface or air costs differently)
[14:42] <daveake__> :D
[14:42] <Lunar_Lander> oh :(
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[14:42] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[14:43] <cuddykid> daveake_: flight looking good :) hopefully it won't land near sea
[14:44] <cuddykid> 11miles from landing site!
[14:44] <daveake__> I have everything crossed
[14:44] <daveake__> Descent should be sharpish
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[14:45] <jackclark> I say Bolney on the A272
[14:45] <daveake__> I have my faith in a small chute and/or chinese rubber lasting longer than it says
[14:46] <eroomde> fighting talk jackclark !
[14:46] <daveake__> oh!
[14:46] <eroomde> i reckon henfield
[14:46] <daveake__> oops
[14:46] <daveake__> burst already
[14:46] <jackclark> Bugger
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[14:46] <Laurenceb_> oops
[14:46] <Laurenceb_> in the sea
[14:47] <jackclark> Henfield looking good
[14:47] <Andy-g0poy> Can hear a slight difference on BUZZ signal after burst.
[14:47] <daveake__> balls
[14:47] <fsphil> How goes it?
[14:47] <eroomde> keep the faith!
[14:47] <jcoxon> Andy-g0poy, oscillating perhaps?
[14:47] <jcoxon> impressive descent rate
[14:48] <daveake__> good need to be
[14:48] <eroomde> you'll be ok
[14:48] <eroomde> that's a hell of a drift
[14:48] <eroomde> crawley to the sea
[14:48] <eroomde> i reckon it must be assuming a much bigger chute
[14:49] <Andy-g0poy> Maybe, sounds like a little doppler as well, but given the drift of Buzz freq, it's hard to tell
[14:49] <jcoxon> land on my old house
[14:49] <daveake__> :)
[14:49] <fsphil> We need an Android spacenear.us
[14:50] <fsphil> Have recovered?
[14:50] <eroomde> fo sho
[14:50] <cuddykid> we need an iPhone app :)
[14:50] <fsphil> Habe even
[14:50] <cuddykid> 7 miles away - stuck in traffic
[14:50] <cuddykid> fsphil ^
[14:50] <fsphil> Ahha
[14:50] <Lunar_Lander> oh now come on
[14:51] <cuddykid> :P
[14:51] <Lunar_Lander> Brighton or The Wash
[14:51] <Lunar_Lander> let it be the former one
[14:51] <fsphil> Buzz falling then
[14:51] <Lunar_Lander> how does the coast at brighton look like?
[14:51] <Laurenceb_> this is going to be tight
[14:51] <Lunar_Lander> does it fall towards the sea gently or high cliff?
[14:51] <jackclark> Cliff
[14:51] <Lunar_Lander> ohh
[14:52] <daveake__> Is spacenear slow? It's showing 28km alt I upload 16km just now
[14:52] <cuddykid> fingers crossed daveake_
[14:52] <Laurenceb_> bets on it landing on a cliff ledge?
[14:52] <cuddykid> 16km here daveake_
[14:52] <Lunar_Lander> maybe you confuse max. alt and current alt?
[14:52] <daveake__> sorry my mistook
[14:52] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[14:52] <daveake__> yes
[14:52] <daveake__> in bouncy car - easy to do!
[14:53] <Lunar_Lander> OK, should see the turnaround in close time
[14:53] <Lunar_Lander> turns around
[14:53] <Lunar_Lander> 15.3 km
[14:53] <Lunar_Lander> -17.5
[14:53] <Lunar_Lander> 14.8
[14:53] <Lunar_Lander> 14.5
[14:54] <Lunar_Lander> 14.3
[14:54] <Lunar_Lander> -15.9
[14:54] <Lunar_Lander> 14.1
[14:54] <Andy-g0poy> BUzz frequency drifted dow quite a bit, just had to retune to 434.204.4
[14:55] <Lunar_Lander> oh my
[14:55] <Lunar_Lander> high tension in here!
[14:55] <daveake__> yep
[14:55] <daveake__> It's buzzing
[14:55] <Lunar_Lander> 13.2
[14:55] <Lunar_Lander> -13.4
[14:55] <cuddykid> arghhh traffic!!
[14:56] <Lunar_Lander> 12.4
[14:56] <Lunar_Lander> 12.2
[14:57] <Lunar_Lander> 12.0
[14:57] <Lunar_Lander> troposphere reached
[14:57] <Lunar_Lander> 79 kph wind
[14:57] <Lunar_Lander> *10
[14:57] <Lunar_Lander> *70
[14:57] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[14:57] <Lunar_Lander> 83 kph
[14:57] <Lunar_Lander> 94 kph
[14:57] <chembrow> struggling to get anything now from buzz
[14:58] <Lunar_Lander> 191 kph
[14:58] <Lunar_Lander> damnm
[14:58] <Lunar_Lander> *damn
[14:59] <Lunar_Lander> 163
[14:59] <daveake__> needs to slow down :( Or speed up verticlly
[14:59] <Lunar_Lander> 10.5 km
[14:59] <Andy-g0poy> Drifted 500Hz LF since last tune, so mirroring of the ascent freq drift.
[14:59] <Lunar_Lander> -11.9 m/s
[14:59] <daveake__> hmmmm
[14:59] <Lunar_Lander> 10.0 km, 150 kph
[14:59] <daveake__> I shall be needing the number for a Worthing boat company ...
[15:00] <jackclark> It's moving inland all the time
[15:00] <Lunar_Lander> aiming at Portslade-by-Sea
[15:00] <eroomde> oh daveake__
[15:00] <Lunar_Lander> 124 kph, 9.3 km, -10.1 m/s
[15:00] <eroomde> my henfield guess is looking pretty ropey
[15:01] <daveake__> I know .... <sob>
[15:01] <cuddykid> 4 miles :)
[15:01] <daveake__> It's gonna be wet
[15:01] <cuddykid> daveake_: :(
[15:01] <jackclark> Not as ropey as my Bolney
[15:01] <Lunar_Lander> it needs to drop out of that damn high-speed layer!
[15:02] <daveake__> yep
[15:02] <cuddykid> daveake_: is it fairly water proof? Could get a boat out if not far
[15:02] <daveake__> It'' float
[15:02] <Lunar_Lander> 8.3 km, 111 kph
[15:02] <Lunar_Lander> 8.2
[15:03] <Lunar_Lander> 7.9, 109 kph
[15:03] <Lunar_Lander> 7.7, 113 kph
[15:03] <Laurenceb_> need a chute cutdown option
[15:03] <Laurenceb_> so it ends up smashed but dry
[15:03] <eroomde> daveake__: you can stand on the beach and salute it
[15:04] <eroomde> remember that jcoxon ?
[15:04] <gonzo_> or a chute deploy
[15:04] <eroomde> standing on the shingle bank near cromer
[15:04] <gonzo_> so you can choose when to cut the balloon and then chute at the last few 1000 ft
[15:04] <jcoxon> indeed eroomde
[15:05] <eroomde> gonzo_: that's al fine and well
[15:06] <eroomde> but if you have a problem with your software, you have a ballistic payload
[15:06] <cuddykid> very near now
[15:06] <eroomde> the advantage of pre-deployed is that it'll come down safely regardless of your soldering skills or knowledge of C
[15:06] <Lunar_Lander> 6.0, 78 kph
[15:07] <russss> you need a reefable parachute, so you can control the descent rate
[15:07] <russss> it'll be a close one
[15:07] <Lunar_Lander> 5.9, 87 kph
[15:07] <eroomde> ooo daveake__
[15:07] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[15:07] <eroomde> the predicted spot is rushing towards the coast quickly
[15:07] <eroomde> you still need to activate the reefing somehow
[15:07] <russss> yeah
[15:07] <russss> that could be failsafe though
[15:07] <eroomde> and reefing is tricky if you don't have pyrotechic line cutters
[15:07] <eroomde> true yes
[15:07] <eroomde> it's definitely better than nothing
[15:07] <eroomde> i would have a small drogue chute pre deployed
[15:07] <russss> I'm hoping shoreham airport isn't busy
[15:08] <eroomde> with pulls out a bigger chute that you release somehow
[15:08] <eroomde> if daveake as better than 1:1 descent, he'll survive i think
[15:08] <eroomde> just
[15:08] <russss> there may be a sea breeze at this altitude
[15:08] <eroomde> has*
[15:08] <cuddykid> almost there :)
[15:08] <Lunar_Lander> here the clouds are standing
[15:09] <Lunar_Lander> so next to no wind at 2 km here
[15:09] <Lunar_Lander> maybe there too
[15:09] <daveake__> Get ready to find me a boat chaps
[15:09] <fsphil> Bbl, good luck!
[15:09] <russss> lol
[15:09] <number10_2E0DBR> oh no
[15:09] <eroomde> daveake__: keep the faith!
[15:09] <number10_2E0DBR> you can swim a few hundred yards?
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[15:09] <daveake__> :D
[15:09] <daveake__> In this cold?
[15:09] <eroomde> it's not over till its over
[15:09] <jackclark> Lots of charter companies in Brighton
[15:10] <cuddykid> brb off to fetch
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[15:10] <number10_2E0DBR> loosing signal
[15:10] <gonzo_> cloud was getting weaker so switche dto buzz
[15:10] <eroomde> christ this'll be tight
[15:10] <daveake__> Still good here. Had to return
[15:10] <daveake__> retune
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[15:11] <Lunar_Lander> 55 kph, 3.8 km
[15:11] <russss> sea breeze
[15:11] <russss> here it is
[15:11] <daveake__> blow blow blow
[15:11] <Lunar_Lander> 3.5, 31 kph!
[15:12] <Lunar_Lander> 3.3, 55 kph
[15:12] <Lunar_Lander> 3.2, 33 kph
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[15:13] <eroomde> gmaps won't reload on this flaky connection
[15:13] <eroomde> i can just see the paths
[15:13] <eroomde> how cruel
[15:13] <Lunar_Lander> 2.9
[15:13] <russss> predicted landing is no more than a couple of hundred metres out to sea at this point
[15:13] <Lunar_Lander> going over the edge
[15:13] <daveake__> over the edge ... down by the water
[15:13] <Lunar_Lander> 2.7, coast
[15:13] <Lunar_Lander> 2.6 over water
[15:14] <russss> hmm
[15:14] <Lunar_Lander> there seems to be a harbour in Shoreham-By-Sea
[15:15] <daveake__> a
[15:15] <daveake__> ta
[15:16] <russss> this is nail biting
[15:16] <gonzo_> nainl long gone here!
[15:16] <gonzo_> nails
[15:16] <Andy-g0poy> Buzz signal almost lost now...
[15:17] <daveake__> fine here still
[15:17] <Lunar_Lander> car is approaching
[15:18] <daveake__> lost but it;s hilly
[15:18] <Lunar_Lander> damn!
[15:18] <Lunar_Lander> now it's down to 7 kph!
[15:18] <eroomde> shit damn shit
[15:18] <Laurenceb_> lost signal
[15:18] <Lunar_Lander> look, turnaround
[15:18] <Andy-g0poy> Signal lost
[15:18] <gonzo_> ditto, lost here
[15:18] <russss> 2 minutes to landing according to the last prediction
[15:19] <eroomde> you have very not long to find yourself a hill daveake__
[15:19] <Laurenceb_> probably down by now
[15:20] <Laurenceb_> few hundered m off short
[15:20] <Laurenceb_> *shore
[15:20] <Lunar_Lander> about 1.5 km from my estimate
[15:20] <number10_2E0DBR> swiming costume and a bit of lard on the body
[15:20] <gonzo_> sit on the beach with some chips ahd wait for it to come in
[15:21] <eroomde> low tide was 15 mins ago
[15:21] <daveake__> :)
[15:21] <gonzo_> lard on the chips, far better
[15:21] <eroomde> so it'll be starting to come in now
[15:21] <eroomde> this means 1) you have the most beach you will have
[15:21] <eroomde> 2) it'll float back in
[15:21] <daveake__> Hope so :)
[15:21] <Lunar_Lander> do you use UMTS on the car?
[15:22] <Lunar_Lander> a friend of mine asks
[15:22] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: I can see #HABE2! [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/165817439874072576]
[15:22] <Andy-g0poy> Good Luck Dave - I see you on CIX to catch up - Andy
[15:22] <Lunar_Lander> daveake__:
[15:22] <daveake__> Cheers Andy
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[15:23] <Lunar_Lander> daveake__: what kind of Level Crossing was there if I may ask?
[15:24] <jackclark> You're going to drive past a marina soon daveake__
[15:24] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[15:24] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:24] <griffonbot> @DiJuM: @adamcudworth #HABE2 pics or it didn't happen ! [http://twitter.com/DiJuM/status/165817989126569984]
[15:24] <daveake__> OK we're getting rtty from cloud
[15:25] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:25] <daveake__> Not a complete sentence yet
[15:25] <Lunar_Lander> ah no LC but an underpass
[15:25] <daveake__> Buzz nothing
[15:25] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: #HABE2 has been recovered! Camera is still running :) hopefully I have some photos! [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/165818284049043456]
[15:25] <number10_2E0DBR> there is a small peir nearby
[15:26] <staylo> So who's going paddling? :)
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[15:26] <daveake__> hmmm
[15:27] <gonzo_> good news on habe2 recovery. Pray for good tides
[15:27] <daveake__> Need a road left to the sea soon
[15:27] <jimthree> http://www.shorehambeachweather.co.uk/ webcam here :)
[15:27] <number10_2E0DBR> there is a bridge soon
[15:27] <daveake__> ta
[15:28] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: #HABE2 landing site geotagged in this tweet [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/165818975744307200]
[15:28] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[15:28] <Lunar_Lander> there is actually Ham Road
[15:28] <number10_2E0DBR> cross over brighton road and then at roundabout head left
[15:28] <Lunar_Lander> north of you
[15:28] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[15:28] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:28] <russss> sat nav over IRC
[15:28] <daveake__> lol
[15:28] <daveake__> Julie's sat nav is broke
[15:29] <russss> at the roundabout take the first exit
[15:29] <Lunar_Lander> daveake__: can you see what is left of you?
[15:29] <Lunar_Lander> looks like a collection of yachts on the satellite
[15:29] <number10_2E0DBR> head west to brighton road
[15:29] <daveake__> ta
[15:29] <Lunar_Lander> it says Toll House
[15:30] <Lunar_Lander> do you need to pay there?
[15:30] <Lunar_Lander> or just the name of the building?
[15:30] <Lunar_Lander> OK, on the bridge
[15:31] <Lunar_Lander> daveake__: seems like you have to go until you hit another big roundabout
[15:31] <number10_2E0DBR> you will get roundabout soon, hang a left and head east
[15:31] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[15:31] <Lunar_Lander> road's called The Saltings
[15:31] <Lunar_Lander> and then beach green
[15:31] <daveake__> on that now
[15:32] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[15:32] <Lunar_Lander> stay on that one
[15:32] <Lunar_Lander> it should lead directly to the harbour
[15:32] <daveake__> ta
[15:32] <Lunar_Lander> you're welcome
[15:32] <number10_2E0DBR> hang a right on beach road
[15:32] <Lunar_Lander> or do you want to go to the beach on the south side?
[15:32] <Lunar_Lander> then follow number12
[15:32] <Lunar_Lander> *10
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[15:33] <daveake__> I want to get GPS first then I want a boat
[15:33] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[15:33] <Lunar_Lander> you're on Riverside now
[15:33] <Lunar_Lander> keep going on
[15:33] <peteh> Take next right
[15:34] <peteh> Shingle Road - will take you down to the beach
[15:34] <daveake__> Could be wrong but I've received 50.82131,-0.26796
[15:34] <russss> look on the beach
[15:34] <daveake__> ok heres's the beach
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[15:34] <daveake__> should be uploading soon
[15:34] <russss> I think that might still be dry
[15:34] <daveake__> there you go
[15:35] <russss> I've just got my nautical chart out
[15:35] <russss> arr
[15:35] <eroomde> this is like the martrix
[15:35] <eroomde> except slower
[15:35] <Lunar_Lander> there comes an elliptical roundabout
[15:35] <Lunar_Lander> yea you hit it
[15:35] <number10_2E0DBR> if thats accurate daveake__ its in the sea
[15:35] <daveake__> It is
[15:36] <russss> ah right, that is a position on CLOUD
[15:36] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[15:36] <Lunar_Lander> 300 m from the shour
[15:36] <Lunar_Lander> *shore
[15:36] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[15:36] <russss> that's not quite on the beach, no
[15:36] <SpeedEvil> The position predicted is a couple hundred meters out - got any good binocs?
[15:36] <russss> the water there is ~4.8m currently, so not paddling depth :P
[15:36] <staylo> Sailing club is at the north east end of the harbour
[15:37] <UpuWork> in the sea again ?
[15:38] <Lunar_Lander> there is a plane next to the car in satellite mode :)
[15:38] <Lunar_Lander> yes UpuWork
[15:38] Action: UpuWork high fives daveake
[15:38] <russss> hah
[15:38] <eroomde> incredibly close to the shore
[15:38] <daveake__> Sea club for the 2nd time
[15:38] <Lunar_Lander> drifting
[15:38] <russss> it's drifting in!
[15:38] <daveake__> :)
[15:38] <SpeedEvil> I assume there is no signal?
[15:39] <Lunar_Lander> yes, CLOUD drifting a little
[15:39] <russss> there is
[15:39] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:39] <russss> CLOUD has signal
[15:39] <daveake__> Yes I have a signal from cloud
[15:39] <jackclark> There's a heli out to sea as well
[15:39] <Lunar_Lander> daveake__: can you access the beach from there?
[15:39] <Lunar_Lander> from the road
[15:39] <daveake__> by foot yes
[15:39] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[15:40] <Lunar_Lander> is that a parking lot where you are?
[15:40] <Lunar_Lander> or i.e. roadside parking
[15:40] <daveake__> We're on the road.
[15:40] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[15:40] <daveake__> Waste ground next to us then the sea
[15:40] <russss> it is consistently drifting inshore and east
[15:40] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[15:40] <Lunar_Lander> so, we test mattltm's buoy now
[15:41] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[15:42] <staylo> ~40 minutes to reach shore at present rate?
[15:42] <SpeedEvil> 8m/min or so
[15:42] <SpeedEvil> I make it
[15:42] <daveake__> "Altitude zero" well it got that right!
[15:42] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:43] <daveake__> We only have a bit of land available, so do we need to back out of this little bit to get to where it's going?
[15:43] <SpeedEvil> an hourish
[15:43] <SpeedEvil> maybe
[15:43] <staylo> You're pretty close to where it's heading currently
[15:43] <SpeedEvil> No, it's coming...
[15:43] <daveake__> Dunno why the phone hasn't called me since launch
[15:43] <SpeedEvil> It's coming straight for you!
[15:43] <Lunar_Lander> daveake__: there is a parking lot, but it would require you to walk back quite far
[15:43] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:44] <Lunar_Lander> i mean if you want to park the car
[15:44] <daveake__> We can park here and walk straight to the beach, but how far from there will it end up do you think>
[15:44] <daveake__> ?
[15:44] <Lunar_Lander> one sec
[15:44] <daveake__> Looks to me like it's coming towards us
[15:44] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[15:44] <SpeedEvil> It actually looks like it might
[15:44] <Lunar_Lander> as SpeedEvil said
[15:44] <daveake__> LOL
[15:45] <Lunar_Lander> I actually just put a ruler on the screen to check
[15:45] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[15:45] <SpeedEvil> This is unusual.
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[15:45] <SpeedEvil> The balloon is chasing you.
[15:45] <daveake__> LOL
[15:45] <Lunar_Lander> daveake__:
[15:45] <Lunar_Lander> when you retrieve it
[15:45] <SpeedEvil> What's the sea like? And do you have binocs?
[15:45] <daveake__> LL you may get your badge back yet :)
[15:46] <Lunar_Lander> yeah :)
[15:46] <Lunar_Lander> and what I wanted to say
[15:46] <Lunar_Lander> when you follow this road to the elliptical roundabout
[15:46] <daveake__> Forgot the binocs, but I have a long lens on my camera
[15:46] <Lunar_Lander> there seems to be a fort daveake__
[15:46] <Lunar_Lander> maybe worth to look at after recovery
[15:46] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[15:46] <daveake__> :)
[15:47] <Lunar_Lander> is there a fish&chips place?
[15:47] <Lunar_Lander> and do they really wrap that in old newspaper?
[15:47] <daveake__> Prolly
[15:47] <daveake__> dunno
[15:47] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[15:47] <russss> the weather looks a bit unpleasant according to http://www.shorehambeachweather.co.uk/
[15:47] <Lunar_Lander> my room is orange!
[15:47] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[15:47] <russss> 1.7 degrees with 17kts of wind
[15:47] <daveake__> afk - off to see if we can see it in the sea
[15:47] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:48] <Lunar_Lander> so, vacuum cleaned here
[15:48] <Lunar_Lander> now having a walk to ALDI
[15:48] <NickB1> did cuddykid recover the payload ?
[15:49] <Lunar_Lander> NickB1: he tweeted that he did
[15:49] <Lunar_Lander> and that the camera was still running
[15:49] <NickB1> great
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[15:50] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[15:50] <Lunar_Lander> hey NigeyS
[15:50] <NigeyS> hi
[15:50] <SpeedEvil> The word of the day is Sploosh.
[15:50] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: Got some great photos of "near" space from #HABE2 - will upload later [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/165824567795924993]
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[15:50] <peteh> Webcam on Shoreham beach, but don't know which way it's pointing
[15:50] <cuddykid> retrieved :)
[15:51] <Lunar_Lander> cuddykid: YAY WELL DONE
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[15:51] <peteh> web cam pointing SE
[15:51] <cuddykid> got some good photos - but camera settings clearly weren't right as the pics don't have that much definition to them
[15:51] <Lunar_Lander> daveake's system turned into a drifting buoy now cuddykid
[15:51] <cuddykid> thanks Lunar_Lander :)
[15:51] <SpeedEvil> It's done about 100m in 15 min
[15:51] <cuddykid> oh no daveake :(
[15:51] <Lunar_Lander> :) you're welcome
[15:52] <gonzo_> still giving temep
[15:52] <gonzo_> telem
[15:52] <SpeedEvil> Battery voltage doesn't seem to indicate anything adverse either
[15:52] <gonzo_> the tracker s should be saved, not sure about the cams?
[15:53] <gonzo_> he's probably away from the pc/car now
[15:53] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if that green is really shallows, or if it's some google thing?
[15:53] <SpeedEvil> merging imagery
[15:53] <Lunar_Lander> SpeedEvil: maybe both
[15:53] <Lunar_Lander> should be less deep water
[15:54] <russss> it's a google thing
[15:54] <russss> the dark blue comes from their lower-res imagery
[15:54] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[15:54] <russss> if you scroll east a bit you can see a seam
[15:54] <SpeedEvil> It's not solely
[15:55] <SpeedEvil> Oh - I mean it is
[15:55] <SpeedEvil> but the sole bit of sticky-out indicates there may be an edge
[15:55] <russss> it's a gentle shelving beach, there's no steep dropoff there according to this chart
[15:56] <nigelvh> Last few points looks like it's drifting to shore.
[15:56] <SpeedEvil> Ah.
[15:56] <daveake__> back
[15:56] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:57] <daveake__> I've never been so pleased to have such a strong wind in my face :)
[15:57] <cuddykid> highest altitude fro habe2 was 29,958m (from SD card)
[15:57] <staylo> Heh, I think this webcam points at the exact bit of beach it's likely to arrive at: http://www.shorehambeachweather.co.uk/weather/webcamimage.jpg
[15:57] <Lunar_Lander> daveake__: XD
[15:57] <Lunar_Lander> I don't know if I may say what I read at the scienceblogs once
[15:58] <daveake__> There's a high bit in the shingle near the beach, but I reckon it would need to be no more than half a mile away to see
[15:58] <Lunar_Lander> because it is yea I don't know
[15:58] <staylo> appears to be from the building next to the rounded swimming pool to the west of dave's car
[15:58] <Lunar_Lander> maybe inappropiate?
[15:58] <Lunar_Lander> daveake__: do you want to hear it?
[15:58] <daveake__> Still no signal from buzz. 50mm of cloud's antenna is inside the box so that helps
[15:58] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:59] <daveake__> staylo cheers :)
[16:00] <daveake__> well done cuddykid
[16:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD daveake__ as I said, your remark reminded me of a comment at scienceblogs about esotheric people
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[16:00] <cuddykid> thanks daveake_, well done you aswell, hopefully you can recover them :)
[16:00] <Darkside> grats on acheiveing horus 8 status there daveake__
[16:00] <daveake__> it did? what remark was thaty? I say so much ....
[16:00] <Darkside> :P
[16:00] <daveake__> Darkside LOL
[16:00] <Darkside> all you need to do is go find a kayak
[16:01] <Darkside> then you'll truly have replicated horus 8 :P
[16:01] <daveake__> :D
[16:01] <number10_2E0DBR> its 0.286 miles from beach daveake__
[16:01] <Lunar_Lander> daveake__: someone wrote "Esotherics always say that you should express your opinion against the wind. What those people don't realize is that they're urinating into the wind direction of an orcane"
[16:01] <daveake__> Unsurprisingly, quite a few of the houses here have boats
[16:01] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[16:01] <daveake__> lol
[16:02] <nigelvh> Dave just went back in time! 1970-01-01 00:00:00
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> epoch fail.
[16:02] <Lunar_Lander> yeah does he have an DeLorean?
[16:02] <Darkside> thats just chasetracker being stupid
[16:02] <daveake__> Wife's Citroen
[16:02] <daveake__> yeah
[16:02] <nigelvh> But does he have the necessary 1.21 jigawatts.
[16:02] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[16:05] <Darkside> ok i should sleep
[16:05] <Darkside> nn all
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[16:05] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ack, just missed the coast!
[16:05] Nick change: fsphil_2I0VIM -> fsphil
[16:05] <number10_2E0DBR> nn Darkside
[16:05] Nick change: number10_2E0DBR -> number10
[16:06] <SpeedEvil> It may hit it in an hourish.
[16:06] <fsphil> yea it seems to be coming towards the shore
[16:06] <fsphil> fingers crossed!
[16:06] <daveake__> Nice strong signal.
[16:07] <number10> it is definately heading towards you
[16:07] <daveake__> We have signal, internet, food, drink and a nice warm car. All I need now is a bit more patience :)
[16:07] <fsphil> can you see it daveake__?
[16:07] <Lunar_Lander> what do you eat?
[16:07] <daveake__> Couldn't. Will try again soon.
[16:08] <daveake__> Just crisps. Want to leave space for the fish & chips after recovery :)
[16:08] <Lunar_Lander> :) yeah
[16:08] <daveake__> Hope it arrives a - before the snow, and b - before dark :)
[16:08] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[16:09] <fsphil> a tiny bit of sleet here, but the sun is out now
[16:10] <number10> weather front is just about hitting poole
[16:10] <daveake__> The SMS backup ain't working. I can only guess the connection to the phone is loose. Worked fine before launch.
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[16:12] <number10> its now 0.263 miles from coas
[16:12] <daveake__> Before anyone asks, the battery life is approx 42 hours
[16:12] <number10> so its done .02 miles in 10 minutes
[16:12] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[16:13] <daveake__> That doesn't sound like much
[16:13] <number10> so approximately 130 minest to the beach
[16:13] <number10> minutes
[16:13] <daveake__> Every time I hear an estimate it goes up :D
[16:13] <number10> just 2 hours
[16:13] <number10> best book B+B
[16:14] <daveake__> lol
[16:14] <gonzo_> thw tracket says daves car is doing that and that is parked
[16:14] <gonzo_> continental drift?
[16:14] <number10> well I think your journey home may be in heavey snow
[16:14] <gonzo_> go and find a cafe for teaand cake
[16:14] <daveake__> Julie burped. That may have shifted us
[16:15] <number10> too much bacon butties
[16:15] <daveake__> yep
[16:15] <daveake__> ok, we're off to get some f&c
[16:16] <cuddykid> got a video with the moon in!
[16:16] <number10> nice one cuddykid
[16:17] <daveake__> too much cloud!
[16:17] <cuddykid> uploading first few pics
[16:17] <Lunar_Lander> "Julie burped."
[16:17] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL!
[16:17] <cuddykid> I have loads and loads of photos of the clouds
[16:17] <cuddykid> *in the clouds
[16:17] <daveake__> :)
[16:17] <cuddykid> from the photos it looks like there were 2 layers clearly defined
[16:17] <cuddykid> where I launched from anyway :)
[16:18] <SamSilver> 16:27] <daveake__> Know anyone still there? Someone who has a boat? Just in case ;)
[16:18] <gonzo_> nice
[16:18] <Lunar_Lander> daveake__: I'll get some beer later
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[16:18] <Lunar_Lander> and then we do a burping contest
[16:18] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[16:18] <daveake__> Oh, and the camera and video will run till about 8pm
[16:19] <number10> hey daveake__ leave the car there tracking cloud - take a walk to the chish and fip shop ;-)
[16:19] <daveake__> off naff
[16:19] <daveake__> :)
[16:21] <Laurenceb__> heh
[16:21] <daveake__> too far to walk. There was a dodgy burger bar but I want FISH
[16:21] <Laurenceb__> where is the sea relative ot the sat photo?
[16:22] <Laurenceb__> how much beach is there?
[16:22] <Lunar_Lander> There was a dodgy burger bar=Golden Arch?
[16:22] <Laurenceb__> sea is at 3C then?
[16:22] <number10> nearest chippie is The Plaice in the Square
[16:23] <daveake__> We've found a plaice
[16:23] <daveake__> afk
[16:25] <Lunar_Lander> seems to have changed course by a few degrees
[16:25] <gonzo_> or Blundens
[16:25] <Lunar_Lander> or only looks like it
[16:25] <gonzo_> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/place?cid=8223592258250801194&q=shoreham+by+sea+fish+chip&hl=en&gl=uk&ved=0CCkQ-gswAA&sa=X&ei=0FstT6OnOYHOjgeK46iUDw
[16:25] <Lunar_Lander> heading 0° means due North
[16:26] <gonzo_> you are right by it dave
[16:27] <SpeedEvil> Neat! Almost halfway there!
[16:30] <gonzo_> 6degC, nice for a swim
[16:33] <fsphil> that's so close!
[16:33] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[16:33] <jcoxon> a while since updates?
[16:35] <gonzo_> the car has gone for food, so out of range of the payload
[16:36] <number10> and that greedy bugger daveake__ has gone with it ;)
[16:36] <fsphil> lol
[16:37] <gonzo_> hehe, otherwise all the chips will be gone. LAways the risk when you send others to get food
[16:37] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[16:40] <cuddykid> photos of the moon :D
[16:40] <Laurenceb__> they are at "posh nosh"
[16:42] <Nickle> Question on GPS. Is the U-Blox Neo-6M GPS good for altitude or does it cut out? Thanks
[16:42] <jcoxon> its fine
[16:42] <jcoxon> but you need to set it to an airborne mode
[16:42] <jcoxon> or it'll cut out at 12km
[16:42] <jcoxon> there is a guide on the wiki
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[16:46] Action: SpeedEvil crosses fingers.
[16:47] <Lunar_Lander> wooo
[16:47] <Lunar_Lander> what a jump
[16:47] <Lunar_Lander> malfunction?
[16:47] <SpeedEvil> nope
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> it hadn't been updating while they were in the chippy
[16:48] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> I guess that's in the 'should be visible' range now
[16:49] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[16:49] <Nickle> Thanks.
[16:49] <Nickle> That's a parachute made today too
[16:51] <Lunar_Lander> changing heading
[16:51] <Lunar_Lander> about 75 m from beach that is visible in sat mode
[16:51] <russss> heh
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[16:51] <Lunar_Lander> daveake_:
[16:51] <daveake_> back
[16:51] <Lunar_Lander> we think that you could get a visual now
[16:52] <daveake_> Got some skate. My favourite. :)
[16:52] <daveake_> Yeah, just about to go look
[16:52] <x-f> Buzz has gone quiet or nobody is listening for it?
[16:52] <Lunar_Lander> skate?
[16:52] <gonzo_> hope it floats in before the light goes
[16:52] <Lunar_Lander> like skateboard?
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[16:56] <cuddykid> wow - got down to -63.1C!
[16:56] <number10> 332 feet from beach
[16:57] <DiJuMx> Lunar_Lander: I'm assuming this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skate
[16:57] <daveake_> We have a big torch :)
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[16:58] <daveake_> Not sure if I could see it or not. Difficult to tell.
[16:58] <Lunar_Lander> thanks DiJuMx
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[16:59] <peteh> paddling distance now
[17:00] <fsphil-laptop> wonder how far out the water really is
[17:00] <DiJuMx> daveake_ if you're not looking at the map, it's inline with the first couple of houses east of the last roundabout you passed
[17:01] <daveake_> ju7st going back
[17:01] <daveake_> signal lost
[17:01] <gonzo_> not good
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[17:02] <number10> 295 feet
[17:02] <fsphil-laptop> "Flight Mode: 9" -- you added a mode for swimming?
[17:03] <fsphil-laptop> cuddykid, you got some lovely layers in those photos
[17:03] <cuddykid> yup :)
[17:03] <fsphil-laptop> looks like the cloud pretty much covered up the ground though
[17:03] <number10> got a link cuddykid
[17:04] <cuddykid> one sec
[17:05] <cuddykid> number10: http://flic.kr/s/aHsjyvEJag
[17:05] <number10> ta
[17:05] <Lunar_Lander> cuddykid: photo from HABE2?
[17:05] <cuddykid> yeah
[17:06] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[17:06] <fsphil-laptop> easy recovery?
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[17:06] <cuddykid> yeah
[17:07] <number10> looks like a jet vapur train in one of those cuddykid
[17:07] <number10> trail
[17:07] <cuddykid> yep
[17:07] <fsphil-laptop> it must be getting dark down there now
[17:07] <cuddykid> theres one of the moon as well as the trail too :)
[17:07] <fsphil-laptop> starting to get dark here and we're about 30 minutes behind
[17:07] <number10> vapour (I give up typing)
[17:09] <staylo> Oh dear, lost tracking?
[17:09] <cuddykid> driving through heavy snow
[17:09] <cuddykid> just north of Oxford
[17:10] <Lunar_Lander> car moves
[17:10] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[17:10] <Lunar_Lander> maybe they try to get it
[17:11] <Laurenceb__> got to have washed up now?
[17:11] <Lunar_Lander> I think so
[17:11] <Laurenceb__> looks like its in the surf zone
[17:12] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[17:12] <Lunar_Lander> some 20 m from the beach or so
[17:13] <cuddykid> typical - the motorway isn't properly gritted
[17:14] <fsphil-laptop> be careful
[17:14] <cuddykid> these gritters have had enough warning!
[17:14] <fsphil-laptop> they've been warning about this for about 5 days now
[17:14] <cuddykid> yeah - the slow lane is mostly white over
[17:15] <eroomde> any news?
[17:15] <fsphil-laptop> nothing in a while
[17:15] <fsphil-laptop> it's very near the shore
[17:15] <Lunar_Lander> can someone call daveake?
[17:16] <peteh> can see your torchlight on the water's edge
[17:17] <Lunar_Lander> on webcam?
[17:17] <peteh> Yup
[17:18] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[17:18] <fsphil-laptop> got a link?
[17:18] <peteh> How cool is that?
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[17:18] <peteh> http://www.shorehambeachweather.co.uk/
[17:19] <peteh> click on the 'webcam' link, which is half-hidden on this pc
[17:19] <fsphil-laptop> aaah
[17:19] <peteh> It's gone now. He walks fast, that boy
[17:20] <fsphil-laptop> it's really dark there
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[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> hello daveake_
[17:22] <peteh> High tide's an hour from now
[17:22] <fsphil-laptop> I've never seen as many adverts on a single page as this one
[17:22] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[17:23] <peteh> come on ... this is the most exciting thing that's happened in S-b-t-S for months!
[17:23] <fsphil-laptop> haha
[17:23] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:23] <staylo> http://milliondollarhomepage.com/ <- now you'll never be able to say that about any other webpage again
[17:23] <daveake_> RECOVERED
[17:24] <x-f> !
[17:24] <Lunar_Lander> YAY
[17:24] <fsphil-laptop> woo-hoo!
[17:24] <staylo> nice
[17:24] <Laurenceb__> woot
[17:24] <daveake_> time for me to warm up, eat my F&C before they get cold.
[17:24] <fsphil-laptop> also was that you running up and down on the beech naked?
[17:24] <Laurenceb__> wave for the webcam
[17:24] <daveake_> Cameras both stopped at some point.
[17:25] <daveake_> LOL
[17:25] <daveake_> Camera won't run. Some water got inside.
[17:25] <daveake_> Tx stopped when it washed up
[17:25] <peteh> WOOOH!!!
[17:25] <fsphil-laptop> hopefully the sd cards are good
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[17:25] <daveake_> yep
[17:25] <fsphil-laptop> what a recovery though
[17:25] <Lunar_Lander> daveake_: I hopes you like metal music
[17:25] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:26] <daveake_> cloud 1 sea 0
[17:26] <fsphil-laptop> go eat!
[17:26] <fsphil-laptop> there's a light on the horizon on the webcam
[17:26] <Lunar_Lander> daveake_: do you know where I go now?
[17:26] <peteh> RESULT!!! Well done!
[17:26] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop: outer space calling :P?
[17:26] <number10> excellent daveake_
[17:26] <fsphil-laptop> it's davey jones, he really wanted another payload for his collection
[17:26] <daveake_> LL you got wet
[17:26] <peteh> aliens coming to retrieve their own
[17:27] <Lunar_Lander> daveake_: ooohh
[17:27] <fsphil-laptop> aah it would be nice to live by the sea
[17:27] <NickB1> well done dave
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[17:28] <NickB1> Lunar_Lander, ordered the geiger counter :)
[17:28] <Lunar_Lander> cool! :)
[17:28] <cuddykid> now like a blizzard!
[17:28] <Lunar_Lander> well done daveake_
[17:28] <Lunar_Lander> daveake_: so now I can go to ALDI
[17:28] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[17:29] <cuddykid> haven't seen 1 gritter so far this journey (1+hr on motorway)
[17:29] <daveake_> lol
[17:29] <cuddykid> awesome daveake_
[17:29] <cuddykid> :D
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[17:29] <cuddykid> HAB 2, Trees/Sea/any other obstruction 0
[17:30] <cuddykid> correction, HAB 3!
[17:30] <cuddykid> motorway is now completely white over :/
[17:30] <Laurenceb__> you are driving and ircing?
[17:31] <daveake_> no!
[17:31] <Laurenceb__> dont crash
[17:31] <cuddykid> lol - no
[17:31] <cuddykid> that would be pretty skill full in snow :P
[17:31] <cuddykid> eeek
[17:32] <cuddykid> there are some nutters about tearing up the snowy fast lane!
[17:32] <fsphil> that's madness
[17:33] <Laurenceb__> they are driving to sparta
[17:33] <cuddykid> yep, unbelievable scenes
[17:34] <Laurenceb__> tonight we dine in *smash* the central reservation
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[17:34] <number10> poor julie has to drive back, as well as there daveake_
[17:34] <fsphil> daveake_, package arrived. thanks!
[17:35] <eroomde> daveake_: awesome stuff
[17:35] <daveake_> cool
[17:36] <daveake_> Laster guys
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[17:38] <cuddykid> pic.twitter.com/Pz5iKJry
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[17:41] <Laurenceb__> if they dont get their sh*t in order stuff is going to get blow sky high
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[17:42] <W0OTM> Latest Briefcase Ham Shack Project - http://www.w0otm.com/Projects/BriefcaseHamShack/IMG_0685.JPG http://www.w0otm.com/Projects/BriefcaseHamShack/IMG_0686.JPG http://www.w0otm.com/Projects/BriefcaseHamShack/IMG_0687.JPG
[17:43] <Laurenceb__> needs more suitcase nukes
[17:43] <Laurenceb__> wait... maybe it is one
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[18:05] <fsphil> I was looking at a nice big case in maplin the other day, thinking if my 857 would fit into it
[18:05] <fsphil> with a battery
[18:07] <Upu> evening
[18:08] <Upu> how did the flights go ?
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[18:10] <fsphil> well that's nice, open a big enough jpeg in firefox and X just dies
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[18:11] <Laurenceb__> haha
[18:11] <Laurenceb__> ive seen that
[18:12] <Laurenceb__> or rather had it happen
[18:12] <fsphil> then for added effect the logon prompt appeared on the secondary monitor, which wasn't plugged in
[18:12] <Laurenceb__> aiui if you dont have enough ram free and or enough swap
[18:12] <Laurenceb__> or something
[18:12] <Laurenceb__> it doesnt handle memory correctly
[18:12] <fsphil> hmm
[18:13] <fsphil> I appear to have no swap
[18:13] <fsphil> that'd explain the crash
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[18:27] <Upu> Did Daveake get his payload back ?
[18:28] <navrac2> yep - have a look at the cloud track - explains it all
[18:29] <navrac2> I didnt get back in time but left mirc running - sounded brilliant - it landed out at sea by 300m and then floated back in on the tide
[18:30] <Upu> lol cool
[18:30] <navrac2> yep - I'm so annoyed I missed it - spent the day on garage forcourts in the snow instead :-(
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[18:31] <Upu> thats awesome
[18:31] <Upu> can't wait to see the pics
[18:32] <Upu> bet that was nail biting whether it was going to land on land :)
[18:32] <navrac2> yep - i think it must have been. I scrolled up to the top of the window then read down - it was like a thriller!
[18:33] <Upu> Did Habe no have a parachute on it ?
[18:33] <Upu> not
[18:33] <navrac2> thought it did - its hard to tell from the spacenearus as it compresses the height graphs over time
[18:34] <navrac2> i'll read back - i remember it had a cutdown, so i would assue a chute
[18:35] <x-f> it had a 36" chute, but there was a cutdown device above it, so it must have affected the chute's performance
[18:36] <navrac2> just read back to say cutdown wires broke before launch
[18:37] <Upu> wonder if it tangled as thats quite a fast decent
[18:37] <Upu> anyway looks like a good days habbing
[18:37] <fsphil> annoyingly I missed most of it :)
[18:38] <Upu> I missed all of it
[18:39] <navrac2> yep me too
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[18:40] <navrac2> I cant launch till march now due to work, so I'm building v3 of the payload despite mkI and mkII never getting more than 2m off the ground!
[18:41] <fsphil> I was asking about H2 at the local depot today, they say it should be no problem getting some but they're not allowed to store it there
[18:41] <navrac2> but the good new for me is that the rfm22 gave a strong (if drifty) signal
[18:41] <fsphil> oh yes, how'd that go
[18:42] <fsphil> decodable?
[18:42] <navrac2> seemed to give a signal 6-10db above the ntx2 despite being 2db lower theoretical output.
[18:42] <navrac2> But drifted quite a lot
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[18:45] <Lunar_Lander> navrac2: did you provide that experiment for BUZZ
[18:48] <navrac2> no that was all daveakes work
[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[18:48] <navrac2> just parallel evoloution - or rather dave and I just followed jcoxons example
[18:49] <navrac2> looks like it drifted by about 1KHz from the comments.
[18:49] <navrac2> but it was to be expected from the tests we did at home.
[18:49] <navrac2> It drifts one way through zero and then drifts back - but it looks like the drift can be programmed to about 200Hz using software
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:56] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: sorting through the vast amounts of data collected from today's #HABE2 flight [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/165871330644856833]
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[18:58] <cuddykid> going to write a c program to sort through all the strings logged and get some temp vs time vs alt etc graphs
[18:59] <cuddykid> unless anyone has a program to do that already?
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[19:00] <navrac2> well done cuddykid - looked like a good one today - congratulations
[19:00] <cuddykid> cheers :)
[19:03] <cuddykid> navrac2: some flight photos here: http://flic.kr/s/aHsjyvEJag
[19:12] <cuddykid> really pleased with the photos, there are some great ones :D
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[19:13] <navrac2> yep -some good ones in there - pretty cloudy day by the looks of it
[19:13] <Laurenceb__> theres this think called gnuplot
[19:13] <Laurenceb__> also something called octave
[19:14] <Laurenceb__> or sed/awk if you are hardcore
[19:31] <Upu> batc.tv click member streams then click 2e0upu snowcam :)
[19:32] <number10> get you hand away from the cam ;)
[19:32] <Upu> I just put some tape over the blue lights on the camera
[19:32] <Upu> going to the pub shortly that will be exciting viewing as we trudge down the road
[19:32] <number10> I rekon daveake is caught up in snow on the way back
[19:32] <Upu> not heard from him ?
[19:32] <Upu> he's got a 4x4 hasn't he ?
[19:33] <number10> he went off line - must have taken over driving
[19:33] <Upu> ok
[19:33] <number10> dont think 4X4, and oxford has snow
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[19:34] <cuddykid> snow is very very bad north of Oxford
[19:34] <cuddykid> no where is gritted - completely uselesss
[19:35] <number10> looks like you have a few inches there Upu
[19:35] <cuddykid> typical, upload is killing the internet here! :(
[19:35] <cuddykid> fortunately I uploaded the big files over 3G whilst on the way back :P
[19:35] <Upu> well that car at the bottom I went to leeds in an hour ago and pulled in the drive , no tracks left :)
[19:36] <number10> boots on, and to the pub :)
[19:36] <Upu> thats my plan
[19:36] <number10> have fun!
[19:36] <Upu> just waiting on the wife and her friend who are waffling away
[19:37] <cuddykid> :D
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[19:43] <Upu> still waffling
[19:43] <Upu> upu wants beer
[19:43] <Upu> upu is getting bored
[19:43] <Upu> if you see someone dancing on the cam its because we are finally going
[19:45] <cuddykid> haha
[19:48] <fsphil> no fair
[19:48] Action: fsphil wants it to snooooow
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[19:49] <x-f> lol
[19:49] <fsphil> what the
[19:49] <x-f> that was..
[19:50] <fsphil> I must setup my webcams later, see if they still wor
[19:50] <fsphil> +k
[19:51] <fsphil> you'd think they'd never seen snow before lol
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[19:53] <x-f> :)
[19:55] <cuddykid> x-f: in response to your flickr comment - that I will respond to as soon as the uploading of photos stops killing my internet! - the lowest temp I've seen so far in the log is -63.1C!
[19:56] <x-f> wow, that's cold
[19:57] <Dan-K2VOL> was that temp recorded in-air?
[19:58] <x-f> at 11 km altitude, according to spacenear.us
[20:00] Action: x-f awaits the altitude vs. temperature chart.
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[20:09] <Laurenceb__> http://www.flickr.com/photos/acudworth/6817674053/in/set-72157629171216193#/photos/acudworth/6817674053/in/set-72157629171216193/lightbox/
[20:09] <Laurenceb__> nice layering
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[20:11] <Laurenceb__> yeah tropopause was at about 11
[20:14] <Dan-K2VOL> white star's speedball series flights will be floating around 10 to 11km, we're doing a lot of cryo testing :-)
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[20:19] <daveake> Apparently, I was spotted on webcam, aiming a torch at the payload :-) https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/394169_10150579772683880_681483879_9210610_573485701_n.jpg
[20:21] <number10> thats cool
[20:21] <WillDuckworth> hey, well done cuddykid daveake - good stuff all round
[20:21] <daveake> Cheers. Fun day out :-)
[20:22] <number10> did u get snow on way back daveake ?
[20:22] <daveake> Yeah, quite a bit. Slippy slidy on the roads near home
[20:23] <number10> do you think memory cards ok?
[20:23] <daveake> Physically yes
[20:23] <daveake> Shame the video stopped before launch
[20:24] <number10> oh, did not realise that
[20:24] <daveake> Most of the camera shots are rubbish ones of solid cloud or solid blue/back sky
[20:24] <daveake> No I didn't till just now!
[20:24] <number10> oh thats a shame.
[20:24] <daveake> Loads to look thru. This on'e ok - https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/408821_10150532406917654_695937653_8802067_582853896_n.jpg
[20:24] <daveake> And I nice one of the moon
[20:24] <daveake> a
[20:27] <navrac2> congratulations daveake - nice work there!
[20:27] <number10> sort of hazey, cuddykids are here http://www.flickr.com/photos/acudworth/6817660913/in/set-72157629171216193
[20:27] <daveake> They look like mine :p
[20:27] <number10> :)
[20:27] <daveake> A hazy day
[20:28] <daveake> Hopefully I have one with moon and decent sky
[20:28] <navrac2> sounded like you had a nice day at the beach - better than garage forecourts in the snow
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[20:29] <daveake> :-). It was pretty clear it was going to land in the sea; question was where and then what.
[20:29] <daveake> When we got there, there was a heck of a breeze coming in from the sea.
[20:29] <x-f> water got inside the payload?
[20:29] <daveake> Then someone (#10?) here said the tide was low and turning
[20:30] <daveake> Some; not much
[20:30] <navrac2> I kept mirc going till i got back so i could see the progress - amazing trace on the tracker
[20:30] <daveake> Then there was the magical moment where the trace showed it coming in directly towards us!
[20:31] <number10> i think that was gonzo_ maybe who said tide turning
[20:31] <daveake> ok
[20:31] <daveake> What a great place to land :-)
[20:31] <daveake> Then as it got close the signal stopped altogether.
[20:32] <daveake> I wondered if the parachute had snagged and pulled it all under
[20:32] <daveake> But fortunately no it was on the beach
[20:32] <number10> it was nail biting tracking, so chase must have been a bit stressful
[20:32] <daveake> I guess the electronics got wet as it turned over on the beach
[20:32] <daveake> yep
[20:33] <daveake> Though, I saw a few "will it won't it" comments, but to me it was clear it was going to be in the sea, so then it was just down to how to recover
[20:33] <number10> and you had your trunks pwith you
[20:34] <daveake> no I didn't :)
[20:34] <number10> ?
[20:34] <daveake> (whatever you said there, I didn't ) ;)
[20:34] <number10> lol just trunks
[20:34] <Dan-K2VOL> is grofonbot workin?
[20:35] <daveake> grofonbot | babel.c
[20:35] <Dan-K2VOL> heh
[20:35] <Dan-K2VOL> Griffonbot, sorry
[20:40] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Live PCB assembly of the 9602 Sat Modem shield, by @steamfire http://t.co/tgf1NoMT #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/165897540242391040]
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[20:42] <number10> are u using iridium 9602 Dan-K2VOL ?
[20:42] <cuddykid> thanks WillDuckworth :) yet again you saved the day :D very grateful :)
[20:44] <Dan-K2VOL> disassembling the Delorme inreach beginning!
[20:45] <number10> Dan-K2VOL: the 9602 was designed here in UK for the company I work for
[20:45] <Dan-K2VOL> really
[20:45] <Dan-K2VOL> it's a fantastic modem
[20:45] <number10> http://www.cambridgeconsultants.com/news_pr272.html
[20:47] <WillDuckworth> no probs :)
[20:49] <hibby> for all my bitching about them, matlab and simulink can be absolutely beautiful
[20:49] <Dan-K2VOL> hey hibby, I'm streaming video dissaembly of the Inreach sat messenger, http://www.ustream.tv/channel/highball-1
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[20:52] <hibby> Dan-K2VOL: nice vid
[20:52] <hibby> sadly no sound if you're discussing it,
[20:52] <Dan-K2VOL> really? hmm
[20:52] <hibby> Dan-K2VOL: it's my end, not yours
[20:52] <Dan-K2VOL> ok cool
[20:52] <hibby> but I'm spending my saturday night in the labs "playing" with matlab like a boss
[20:53] <hibby> simulating high order systems
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[20:53] <hibby> doing crazy shit that I didn't actually realise was possible until one of my chums suggested I try it.
[20:54] <Dan-K2VOL> nice!!
[20:54] <Dan-K2VOL> what is it
[20:54] <daveake> Hey cuddykid_ Good day?
[20:54] <cuddykid_> hi daveake :) yup :D
[20:55] <cuddykid_> apart from the journey back!
[20:55] <daveake> Yeah, bit rough near here too
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[20:55] <cuddykid_> took a long time with all the snow and poorly gritted roads
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[20:55] <hibby> I'm trying to optimise things on a high-order system, so I'm running nested for loops, but changing the parameters on my simulink models from within the matlab script and outputting 3d graphs with quantative data analysis
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[20:55] <hibby> so it shows me what the system performance is, including noise, but also tells
[20:55] <hibby> me
[20:55] <cuddykid> very glad you managed to recover daveake :)
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[20:57] <daveake> :-). I believe the bright light in this is my big torch shining at the payload - https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/394169_10150579772683880_681483879_9210610_573485701_n.jpg
[20:58] <cuddykid> internet is playing up here :(
[20:58] <cuddykid> won't load
[20:59] <Laurenceb__> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/03/us_deportation/
[20:59] <Laurenceb__> oh dear
[21:00] <fsphil-laptop> aliens!!!!
[21:01] <fsphil-laptop> daveake, did it wash up or did you have to get wet?
[21:04] <daveake> washed up :)
[21:04] <fsphil-laptop> handy!
[21:04] <W0OTM> Howdy
[21:04] <fsphil-laptop> hullo W0OTM
[21:05] <W0OTM> for those that didnt see. Latest Briefcase Ham Shack Project - http://www.w0otm.com/Projects/BriefcaseHamShack/IMG_0685.JPG http://www.w0otm.com/Projects/BriefcaseHamShack/IMG_0686.JPG http://www.w0otm.com/Projects/BriefcaseHamShack/IMG_0687.JPG
[21:05] <daveake> Everyone should do it ... land in the sea after low tide with an incoming wind; eat fish & chips; wait for balloon to turn up
[21:05] <fsphil-laptop> well I did one of those things
[21:05] <cuddykid> :D
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[21:06] <daveake> In fact, I think the tracker should be able to predict sea movement according to tides and wind.
[21:06] <daveake> :p
[21:06] <cuddykid> haha yeah
[21:06] <daveake> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/422764_10150532463292654_695937653_8802332_1204621356_n.jpg
[21:07] <fsphil-laptop> "flight mode 10: being eaten by a shark"
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[21:15] <Dan-K2VOL> zoom view!
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[21:16] <cuddykid> early diagnosis for failure of cutdown module - the solder joints on the cutdown appear to have failed under the weight of the cord (just before launch)
[21:16] <daveake> solder to nichrome?
[21:17] <Laurenceb_> use silver solder
[21:17] <Dan-K2VOL> just use clamps or bolts for nichrome, its easier
[21:17] <daveake> yep
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[21:18] <cuddykid_> nahh - not solder to nicrhome, solder to other wire that was screwed into joining mechanism
[21:19] <cuddykid_> solder couldn't take the weight (though it wasn't that heavy
[21:19] <cuddykid_> also - for future reference for others' payloads - all the lines were *very* tangled on retreival
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[21:25] <cuddykid> that's the moon right? (far right of pic) http://www.flickr.com/photos/acudworth/6817676383/in/set-72157629171216193/
[21:25] <hibby> http://db.tt/VzF8awea look at my pretty graph... LOOK AT IT
[21:26] <cuddykid> nice :) axis hibby?
[21:26] <daveake> yes
[21:26] <daveake> Like this one - https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/422764_10150532463292654_695937653_8802332_1204621356_n.jpg
[21:27] <hibby> It's describing the performance of a second order system based on varied input variables, basically.
[21:27] <daveake> We seem to have the same (nearly featureless) clouds in our photos
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[21:28] <Laurenceb_> yeah its very hazy
[21:29] <daveake> I looked through loads of horrible photos thinking the lens was misted up, but then I found a few with some features. Looking at cuddykid's he had the same problem
[21:29] <cuddykid> ahh yeah
[21:29] <cuddykid> same daveake!
[21:29] <cuddykid> I thought all the settings etc were wrong on the camera
[21:30] <cuddykid> but then I came across a few gems
[21:30] <daveake> Yeah, I was wondering that too
[21:30] <daveake> snap
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[21:30] <daveake> I did fsck up a couple of things tho
[21:30] <daveake> Like not deleting all the test photos off the SD card. That's in my checklist and I still missed it
[21:30] <daveake> So it stopped during descent
[21:31] <cuddykid> ohh :(
[21:31] <daveake> Oh well, something to get right next time :)
[21:31] <cuddykid> mine was still going after I retrieved which initially led me to think something was wrong
[21:31] <Upu> see me dancing ? :)
[21:31] <cuddykid> Upu ?!
[21:32] <Upu> webcam :) hey Adam sucessful day it seems
[21:32] <Upu> and daveake high five for the sea faring habbers
[21:32] <daveake> :D
[21:33] <daveake> Land in sea ... get fish & chips .... wait for it to come back .... they should all be like this :D
[21:33] <Upu> so did it just float back ashore ?
[21:33] <daveake> Yep
[21:33] <Upu> awesome
[21:33] <Upu> how water proof was buzz ?
[21:34] <daveake> Not very - he stopped Txing
[21:34] <daveake> Not opened him up yet
[21:34] <Upu> whats the feedback on the RFM22B then ?
[21:34] <Upu> from listeners ?
[21:34] <daveake> We were tuned to Buzz during the chase because it was a much better signal for us
[21:34] <daveake> We lost contact at (ISTR) 200m up
[21:34] <Upu> running at 10mW
[21:34] <Upu> ?
[21:34] <daveake> 8mW
[21:35] <Laurenceb_> buzz was rfm22b?
[21:35] <Upu> so you were running the RFM at a lower power than the NTX2 and signal was stronger ?
[21:35] <daveake> I need to check that - navrac gave me a number to poke in to get that level. I've not actually checked against the manual
[21:35] <Laurenceb_> what was the rfm22 transmitting?
[21:35] <daveake> I'll check the code vs manual tomorrow then I'll post about it
[21:35] <daveake> So we headed for the beach but with nowt coming from buzz
[21:36] <daveake> I switched to cloud and got a clear but faint signal
[21:36] <Upu> Did you see it in the water ?
[21:36] <daveake> Then that got stronger as we got closer to the shore
[21:36] <daveake> no
[21:36] <Laurenceb_> what protocol was it transmitting?
[21:36] <Upu> RTTY Laurenceb
[21:36] <daveake> At that point it was about a mile out
[21:36] <Laurenceb_> oh nice
[21:36] <Upu> and it floated a mile back ?
[21:36] <Laurenceb_> using retuning?
[21:36] <Laurenceb_> or the inbuilt modem
[21:36] <daveake> It was really tricky to see anything out there aside from white breaking waves
[21:36] <Upu> not sure just changing the xmit freq I think
[21:36] <Laurenceb_> ah cool
[21:37] <Laurenceb_> interesting stuff
[21:37] <Upu> amazed it came back ashore
[21:38] <daveake> Anyway, with a nice strong signal we sat wondering what to do, then there was avery clear kink in the trace showing it heading towards the beach
[21:38] <daveake> After a while we could see it was heading directly for us!
[21:38] <daveake> We still couldn't see it, and it was going to take a while to get to land, so we headed off to get some food, then went back
[21:39] <daveake> By then it was quite close, and after a bit of waiting the signal stopped completely
[21:39] <daveake> So we went to the beach with receiver and yagi. Not a peep.
[21:40] <daveake> So I went one way and Julie the other. It was getting dark but she spotted it washed up.
[21:40] <daveake> She shouted out, I turned round and aimed my torch where she was pointing ...
[21:41] <daveake> .... as captured by the beach web cam!! https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/394169_10150579772683880_681483879_9210610_573485701_n.jpg
[21:41] <fsphil-laptop> it's like a scene from the x-files
[21:41] <daveake> lol
[21:42] <Upu> thats amazing love it
[21:42] <Upu> great that all payloads received
[21:42] <daveake> indeed
[21:42] <Upu> so drift on RFM was ok ?
[21:42] <daveake> Seemed fine to me
[21:43] <Upu> my radio is tuned to 434.204 so a little I guess
[21:43] <daveake> The gap doesn't change (well not that I noticed) which is a great help
[21:44] <number10> frm drifted a bit compared to NTX when recieved from here
[21:44] <daveake> ok
[21:45] <daveake> That however was a tiny payload. You'd need to compare with internal temperature
[21:46] <Upu> interesting ok
[21:47] <daveake> pink payloads predict pelagic repossession
[21:48] <Upu> yay a new word
[21:48] <daveake> I needed a thesaurus to get "pelagic")
[21:49] <Upu> I had to google ot
[21:49] <Upu> it
[21:49] <navrac2> and g0poy reported a 2khz retune during the flight - not too bad at all
[21:51] <navrac2> 011 is 8dbm according to the manual so unless it didnt go into register 6d, then I assume it was 8dbm
[21:51] <daveake> I need to check I did it properly :P, but I think so.
[21:52] <cuddykid> Upu: ahh, and yeah :) very successful :D
[21:52] <navrac2> well it worked which is great - well done
[21:52] <cuddykid> considering all the things that could've gone wrong!
[21:52] <Upu> yeah yours too look good cuddykid saw the pics
[21:52] <cuddykid> :)
[21:52] <navrac2> I'm now on my dual rfm22 pcb
[21:53] <Laurenceb_> just use an si4432 :P
[21:53] <cuddykid> one thing I've taken from today - I definitely need a mag mount for the roof - whip antenna inside the car doesn't work too well
[21:53] <daveake> blimey. Yes get a mag mount 100% deffo
[21:53] <Upu> yeah they are pretty cheap
[21:53] <daveake> indeed
[21:53] <Upu> I have this diamond thing
[21:53] <cuddykid> yep
[21:53] <Upu> does 70cms and 2 m
[21:54] <Randomskk> they're excellent
[21:54] <cuddykid> I had to hold it right up to the windscreen and even then there were a lot of rubbish chars coming through
[21:54] <Upu> right off for a Whisky bbl
[21:54] <daveake> You may get engine whistles through that way
[21:54] <daveake> Have one for me Upu :)
[21:55] <Upu> I shall toast you all :)
[21:55] <daveake> :D
[21:55] <fsphil-laptop> haha
[21:56] <number10> i'll have one for you aswell daveake
[21:56] <daveake> :)
[21:57] Action: fsphil-laptop ended up babysitting again
[21:57] <cuddykid> zooooommmm - http://www.flickr.com/photos/acudworth/6817634761/in/set-72157629171216193/lightbox/
[21:57] <daveake> Are you uploading my pics? ;-)
[21:57] <cuddykid> lol
[21:57] <daveake> I have a vapour trail one too (though not in that direction)
[21:58] <cuddykid> poo, I've got a fairly close one.. one sec
[21:59] <cuddykid> hmm, doesn't look like they uploaded
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[22:02] <cuddykid> http://www.flickr.com/photos/acudworth/6818403939/in/set-72157629171216193
[22:02] <cuddykid> daveake ^ :P
[22:02] <daveake> Ooh nice
[22:03] <cuddykid> probably came up on his radar
[22:04] <cuddykid> love the layers here http://www.flickr.com/photos/acudworth/6817672421/in/set-72157629171216193
[22:05] <daveake> Some actual cloud detail - https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/425279_10150532587282654_695937653_8802570_1746968898_n.jpg
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[22:22] <daveake> Oh dear ... http://imgur.com/8PpXZ
[22:23] <Upu> lol
[22:23] <Upu> "let go !!!"
[22:23] <daveake> I did :-)
[22:23] <cuddykid> $$HABE2,665,13:54:11,51.8647,-0.8537,11079,-177,-631,18,28*03
[22:24] <daveake> That's my neighbour Richard trying to keep up :D
[22:24] <cuddykid> -63.1C was the min temp recorded :)
[22:24] <Upu> thats quite cold
[22:24] <cuddykid> on the descent nearish oxford
[22:25] <Upu> do the temp sensors even technically go that low ?
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[22:26] <gonzo_> be interesting to plot the temp vs alt to see if it holds with the condx for snow
[22:26] <Upu> hey gonzo_
[22:26] <Upu> notice you have AZ/EL Yagi
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[22:27] <Upu> I'm putting one up soon, got the AZ/EL, brackets and bits
[22:27] <gonzo_> yep, yaesu pair on an LVB tracker
[22:27] <Upu> got pictures ?
[22:27] <Upu> I'm making my own version of the LVB
[22:27] <gonzo_> raerly needs more than 10deg elevation for HAB, but for satellites you need more
[22:27] <gonzo_> will have a look see what I have
[22:28] <Upu> Whats the Yagi's ?
[22:28] <Upu> I was looking at some Tonnas but they are too long and probably a little excessive
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[22:31] <Upu> when fsphil sent his payload over I would have been at 90' EL
[22:31] <fsphil> very nearly
[22:31] <fsphil> if only I had a cut-down
[22:32] <Upu> lol
[22:32] <Upu> passed by about 4 miles across ground
[22:32] <fsphil> any future long distance flights of mine will
[22:32] <Dan-K2VOL> hey all if you'd like someone to sell you a cutdown that's been quite well proven by the Spirit of Knoxville, UTARC, and White Star teams, email ctlyster@comcast.net
[22:32] <Upu> well I've got one on Ava2 but need to test the code
[22:32] <Upu> sell ? :)
[22:32] <fsphil> The A560 I have is to be flown over the irish sea
[22:32] <Dan-K2VOL> That's Carl Lyster, WA4ADG
[22:33] <Upu> got pics ?
[22:34] <gonzo_> I'm sure I do have pics, lots, but buggered if I can find them
[22:34] <Upu> no probs if you find them I'm interested
[22:34] <gonzo_> but it;s a yaesu az./el rotator pair (older separate ones)
[22:35] <gonzo_> will take some if you remond me np
[22:35] <Upu> cheers
[22:35] <gonzo_> the antennas are home made, basically crossed yagi, dl6wu design
[22:35] <gonzo_> 2mtrs and 70cm
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[22:36] <gonzo_> there is a box up there with phasing harnes to give circular pol, switchable.
[22:36] <gonzo_> the 2mtr works fine, but the phasing for 70cm needs work, so just wired linear at the mo
[22:37] <gonzo_> and the shed down near the mast has the PA/s and LNAs
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[22:48] <daveake> Blimey, sea water takes no prisoners
[22:49] <daveake> Quite a lot of damage to the electronics in both payloads. Buzz's batteries look like they fizzed for a while
[22:50] <daveake> Only thing definitely working is the video camera, care of its rubber seals
[22:50] <daveake> Pic on the way up - https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/424426_10150532661387654_695937653_8802741_38380034_n.jpg
[22:51] <fsphil> oh that's nice
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[22:53] <daveake> Couldn't have aimed that one better myself :)
[22:54] <SpeedEvil> daveake: perhaps it's time to add a bucket of fresh-water (to wash off the electronics) in.
[22:54] <daveake> done
[22:54] <SpeedEvil> That one is neat!
[22:54] <SpeedEvil> awesome!
[22:55] <SpeedEvil> Is that quite 'low down' ?
[22:55] <daveake> Yes
[22:55] <daveake> I put that on Facebook just now, and within seconds got a "like" from a friend who ...
[22:55] <daveake> ... flies 747s for BA .... I thought he'd have seen that kind of thing every day :)
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[22:58] <Upu> I don't have facebook but like +1 on that pic etc
[23:01] <daveake> :)
[23:04] <daveake> A first for me, the chain came down neatly without the parachute getting caught up at all
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[23:11] <fsphil-laptop> still snowing there Upu?
[23:12] <Upu> nah probably melting , we got 3" though
[23:12] <fsphil-laptop> not bad
[23:12] <fsphil-laptop> it's actually nice here, nowhere near zero
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[23:16] <number10> snowing here, fery fine stuff and not likeley to stop overnight
[23:16] <number10> very
[23:16] <staylo> I think a rinse with deionized water is meant to be a good immediate treatment for electronics exposed to water
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[23:28] <Guest292> Hey guys, I've been reading the wiki about ground station radios. I know the FT817 is recommended, but it seems kind of extravagant to pay for a transceiver when all we are doing is listening. Would a scanner be good enough for HAB work?
[23:29] <navrac2> yes but you need one that does ssb. that limits the choices a bit
[23:30] <Upu> Evening Guest292 what navrac2 said
[23:31] <Upu> See http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[23:31] <navrac2> the only two scanners that i know of are the ar8000 and the yupiterus that are sub £100
[23:31] <navrac2> an ft790 can be had cheap
[23:31] <Upu> Ft-817 has some major plus points, its very portable, very sensitive great for tracking
[23:32] <Upu> FT790 isn't so portable
[23:32] <Upu> on the plus side if you buy a FT-817 you can sell it for not much less later on they hold their value
[23:32] <navrac2> ft817 second hand values have gonr through the roof tho
[23:32] <Upu> someone got one for £290 the other day on EBay
[23:32] <Upu> which is a bargin
[23:33] <navrac2> good price- most went for 350+ when i was looking
[23:33] <Upu> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAESU-FT-817-FT-817-PSU-/320841653097?pt=UK_ConsumerElectronics_SpecialistRadioEquipment_SM&hash=item4ab3a71b69 £160... at the moment
[23:33] <Guest292> Cool, thanks chaps. Interesting stuff. Was happy to put down £200 or so on one, but hoping to get some use out of it for satellite and basic radio astronomy too, don't need TX for that :)
[23:34] <Upu> Guest292 FT-817 is only 5W anyway
[23:34] <Upu> TX
[23:34] <Upu> http://www.upuaut.net/ that pic is my FT-817 with a twiddly knob on it :)
[23:34] <Guest292> Upu, that's in my watch list already ;.)
[23:35] <Upu> try your local radio club as well
[23:35] <Upu> planning on doing a balloon launch ?
[23:36] <daveake> It took me a couple of months to get something at a good price on ebay, so be patient
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[23:36] <Upu> I got bored and bought a new one :/
[23:36] <Guest292> BTW guest292 == Jim, lost my nick during the day following the exciting launches
[23:36] <Upu> type /nick Jim_ or something
[23:36] <daveake> try /nick Batman
[23:36] <Upu> or what daveake said :)
[23:37] <daveake> lol
[23:37] <Guest292> Yup planning a lunch around june
[23:37] <Upu> UK based ?
[23:37] <daveake> Another nice shot on the way up http://i.imgur.com/ak5ZX.jpg
[23:37] <Upu> yup :)
[23:37] <Upu> up or down ?
[23:37] <Upu> that looks like down, sun is etting ?
[23:38] <daveake> yup, up
[23:38] <Guest292> Yea south london, but will travel out of town (obviously!) for launch
[23:38] <Upu> cool well ask away if you have any questions
[23:38] Nick change: Guest292 -> Jim
[23:38] <daveake> Got quite a few moon shots - http://i.imgur.com/KzaMG.jpg
[23:38] <Upu> thats nice
[23:38] <Upu> better than mine
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[23:39] Nick change: Guest88312 -> jim_newb
[23:39] <daveake> So would you like to know why I didn't get any landing shots?
[23:39] <daveake> You'll laugh ....
[23:39] <jim_newb> :)
[23:39] <Upu> because your camera got wet
[23:39] <Upu> better Jim :)
[23:39] <daveake> .... didn't clear out the photos from a test
[23:39] <daveake> So it ran out of space
[23:39] <Upu> what sized card ?
[23:39] <daveake> 16GB
[23:39] <Upu> how often are you taking pics ?
[23:39] <daveake> 4 secs
[23:39] <Upu> hmm
[23:39] <Upu> A560 ?
[23:39] <daveake> A495
[23:40] <daveake> Started about an hour before launch
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[23:40] <fsphil-laptop> you got a nice bit of detail on the moon
[23:40] <daveake> But like I said, it had loads of photos on there
[23:40] <fsphil-laptop> I only managed a crescent moon
[23:40] <Upu> wonder if I didn't have my camera on highest quality I was taking every 10secs from 13:00 till the batteries surcumbed to salt water at 20:30
[23:40] <daveake> I don't know why I write check-lists; I never read the damn things
[23:40] <Upu> didn't fill 8Gb
[23:41] <Upu> going to fly with a U/V filter next time
[23:41] <daveake> Ditto
[23:41] <Upu> I'll take the risk of it clouding or use a dew heater like Bello Mondo
[23:42] <Upu> and flush the payload container out with Helium as per jcoxon's suggestion
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[23:44] <fsphil-laptop> I'm gonna try an IR filter for the uart cameras
[23:44] <fsphil-laptop> they've seriously bad colour accuracy and I think they're too sensitive to IR
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[23:55] <daveake> Washed up on the beach - http://imgur.com/xHWjN
[23:56] <fsphil-laptop> eye energy beam!! ... then I noticed it was just the water
[23:56] <daveake> lol
[23:56] <daveake> She did see it first though :)
[23:56] <daveake> (that's my wife)
[23:57] <Darkside> nice!
[23:57] <daveake> I fought the sea and the sea destroyed my electronics (but I got it all back)
[23:58] <Darkside> hehehe
[23:58] <Darkside> grats on the recovery
[23:58] <daveake> The tracker was safely at the top of the box. Safe that is until it washed up and had waves hitting it
[23:58] <Darkside> the RFM22B performed well
[23:58] <daveake> Cheers
[23:58] <daveake> Was great fun
[23:58] <daveake> It did
[23:58] <daveake> It won't again - salt water attack
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