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[00:35] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[07:54] <Hes> fsphil: Looks good! The telemetry coefficient/parameter definitions should be transmitted in an APRS *message* (yeah, messaging message). Take a look at the raw packets of oh7rda for examples.
[07:55] <Darkside> Hes: is this for normal aprs telemety?
[07:56] <Darkside> or is that the aprs.fi one
[07:56] <Darkside> (havent read the spec yet - forwarded it onto the guy doing the payload coding)
[07:56] <fsphil> thanks Hes, yea I was trying to find some real examples
[07:56] <fsphil> I'll try to get the old format working, then add the new version
[07:57] <Darkside> fsphil: we already have code for the normal aprs telemetry
[07:58] <fsphil> ooh
[07:58] <fsphil> github?
[07:58] <Darkside> code.google.com/p/project-horus/ i think
[07:58] <Darkside> http://code.google.com/p/project-horus/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Ftrackuino
[07:59] <Darkside> http://code.google.com/p/project-horus/source/browse/trunk/trackuino/aprs.cpp
[07:59] <fsphil> will have a look shortly, brb
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[08:16] <fsphil> perfect, thanks Darkside
[08:16] <fsphil> so all this is based on sending a message to yourself?
[08:29] <Darkside> eh?
[08:30] <Darkside> no it sends a message to the network
[08:30] <Darkside> not sure how it works though
[08:30] <Darkside> it all in the spec somewhere
[08:30] <Upu> morning
[08:31] <fsphil> yea looking through that now
[08:31] <fsphil> mornin Upu !
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[08:37] <Upu> Jesus O2 data over use £1.80 per mb
[08:37] <fsphil> wow
[08:37] <Upu> are they running data over pure gold cat 5 cables
[08:37] <fsphil> would be cheaper to do ip over sms
[08:40] <Upu> they aren't even generous on data plans 1Gb is the max you can get on business
[08:41] <fsphil> I've found them to be the cheapest for 1-day top ups
[08:42] <fsphil> but from the sounds of it, that's all
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[08:49] <Elwell> Upu: sfr.fr offered me data in the UAE at a mere 5 euros/meg
[08:49] <Elwell> I decided against it...
[08:49] <UpuWork> Well I pay 4p a Mb on my Three data card
[08:49] <UpuWork> 5 euros a meg :) Some disclaimers are 1Mb in size :)
[08:50] <fsphil> hehe, ours wouldn't be far from that
[08:50] <costyn> I guess the telco's are upping their data rates seeing how people are sending less and less smses; the cash-cow needs to be replaced
[08:50] <fsphil> despite my objections
[08:50] <Elwell> luckily I was only there for a few hours and the lounge had free wifi
[08:50] <costyn> s/data rates/data prices/
[08:51] <fsphil> sms is basically free for the network. I bet they crapped themselves when internet usage jumped
[08:52] <daveake_> Yep. And as always they charge as much as they can for as long as they can get away with it.
[08:53] <daveake_> Roaming charges are outrageous
[08:53] Nick change: daveake_ -> daveake
[09:06] <UpuWork> Well we just checked one ipHone here and based on its usage would have cost £64,000 on O2
[09:06] <daveake> eek
[09:07] <daveake> I'd need some O2 if I received a bill that large
[09:11] <number10> I was wondering for HAB - if we could have access to a file that just contains the latest position, and maybe the predicted landing - for times when internet is not good - like a reduced size view.php thats on robs site
[09:16] <daveake> There is a way, but I forget what the magic spell was. fsphil knows ...
[09:19] <number10> thats good
[09:20] <daveake> Silly little time-waster - http://www.therestartpage.com
[09:26] <Hes> Darkside, fsphil: Real raw packets, check VK5CP-8 ZL2BAZ-9 KC7ZNH-2 for example
[09:27] <Hes> Darkside: The coefficient/parameters thing work the same for the new comment telemetry spec, that is not changed in any way
[09:28] <Hes> And the new spec is implemented in aprs.fi, APRSIS32 and the byonics trackers already
[09:28] <Hes> And yes, the parameters are sent as a message which is addressed to the callsign of the station which is transmitting the telemetry.
[09:29] <Hes> Ugly as hell.
[09:29] <Hes> The parameters can be sent by *any* station.
[09:29] <Hes> I guess the idea was that the telemetry-transmitting stations could not transmit the parameter messages themselves, the original ones were really dumb.
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[09:30] <Hes> So you would transmit the parameters manually as a message from your "normal" desktop APRS software.
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[09:33] <fsphil> I was wondering that
[09:33] <fsphil> would save air time
[09:34] <fsphil> or at least have the payload transmit it only very occasionally
[09:34] <Hes> Yes, very very occasionally
[09:34] <Hes> Did you notice the decoded and hex views in my raw packets display?
[09:34] <Hes> Tracker implementers have found them useful in the past
[09:38] <Hes> http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=KC7ZNH-2&view=decoded
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[09:42] <fsphil> neat
[09:45] <Hes> there's a toggle at the top, hex view is useful too
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[11:00] <fsphil> 5 hours till sparkfun's free day
[11:00] Nick change: daveake_ -> daveake
[11:00] <daveake> eh what?
[11:01] <SpeedEvil> eh?
[11:01] Action: SpeedEvil wonders if they'll fix the servers this time.
[11:05] <fsphil> sparkfun give away money now and then daveake
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[11:05] <daveake> s'ok, I checked their site just now :)
[11:05] <daveake> It'll make a change from me sending them money :D
[11:07] <WillDuckworth> do you just have to login to it? or do you have to register a new account?
[11:08] <fsphil> logged in
[11:08] <fsphil> there'll be a link to try for the dosh
[11:08] <fsphil> I liked the idea of the questions last time
[11:08] <fsphil> but the server just couldn't handle it
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[11:25] <costyn> so what do you have to do to get free stuff?
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[11:26] <fsphil> just be logged in, and keep trying the link
[11:26] <fsphil> it's all random
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[11:27] <costyn> heh
[11:27] <costyn> just reading it now... sounds like a good way to stress test your servers
[11:28] <costyn> perhaps today they've set up something with amazon cloud
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[11:51] <cuddykid> anyone know anywhere to buy the fsa03 now sequoia don't have any more?
[11:53] <UpuWork> just use a uBlox 6 ?
[11:54] <UpuWork> I have some break outs left if you want them
[11:54] <UpuWork> if you're uncomfortable soldering them just buy the parts and send them to me
[11:55] <cuddykid> UpuWork: I'll guess I have to - fsa03s were going to be a little cheaper that was the only plus!
[11:56] <UpuWork> well chip + antenna is about £30 tops
[11:56] <cuddykid> UpuWork: is it the LEA-6?
[11:56] <UpuWork> how much was the FSA03 ?
[11:56] <UpuWork> NEO-6Q
[11:56] <daveake> £24 ish
[11:56] <cuddykid> fsa03 would've worked about at about £20 each if I got 2
[11:56] <UpuWork> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:ublox6
[11:57] <cuddykid> thanks
[11:57] <UpuWork> that picture is a breakout
[11:57] <UpuWork> it has the chip and Sarantel antenna on them
[11:57] <daveake> Product : Quantity : Price Falcom : FSA03 (Pack Qty: 1) : 2 : 24.79 Subtotal : 49.58 Delivery : 5.95 Tax VAT : 11.11
[11:57] <WillDuckworth> and your breakout works Upu :)
[11:57] <UpuWork> the chip is £17 from Alphamicro
[11:57] <UpuWork> ex VAT & delivery
[11:57] <UpuWork> Yeah seems too WillDuckworth :)
[11:57] <cuddykid> awesome thanks guys
[11:57] <costyn> UpuWork: are you still making the breakouts?:
[11:58] <UpuWork> I have some left 1 sec I'll count them
[11:58] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: are you flying one on your next flight?
[11:58] <UpuWork> 6 left
[11:58] <WillDuckworth> not a Upu special this time, no, maybe future
[11:58] <WillDuckworth> flights
[11:58] <UpuWork> though I can always get some more ordered from Seeed if there is a demand
[11:59] <Darkside> UpuWork: in what quantity are the NEO-6's 17 pounds?
[11:59] <UpuWork> singles
[12:00] <Darkside> i mean, when you order from alpha micro
[12:00] <Darkside> what are their price breaks
[12:00] <UpuWork> sec
[12:00] <Darkside> because i might be making an order soonish
[12:00] <UpuWork> 17 x NEO-6Q-0 @ £18.63 ea
[12:00] <Darkside> hmm ok
[12:00] <UpuWork> NEO-6Q-O
[12:00] <UpuWork> 1-49 off price break £18.63 each
[12:01] <Darkside> ok thats $27
[12:01] <Darkside> i got them for $21 when i ordered with universal air
[12:01] <Darkside> but they ordered 70 of them
[12:01] <cuddykid> UpuWork: do you have to call/email them to order?
[12:01] <UpuWork> Belinda Proctor  Internal Sales Manager
[12:01] <UpuWork> Alpha Micro Components Ltd
[12:01] <UpuWork> Phone: +44 (0) 1256 851770
[12:01] <UpuWork> Fax: +44 (0) 1256 851771
[12:01] <UpuWork> Email: belinda.proctor@alphamicro.net
[12:01] <UpuWork> ---/\
[12:01] <cuddykid> cheers
[12:02] <costyn> cuddykid: are you going to order?
[12:02] <UpuWork> send a mail round see if people want some
[12:02] <costyn> maybe we should combine orders
[12:02] <Darkside> hmm i should get them VAT free if i order from here
[12:02] <costyn> i'm interested too
[12:02] <UpuWork> but you may have to stump up £500 up front like I did
[12:02] <Darkside> UpuWork: wha?
[12:02] <cuddykid> costyn: probably yes, though I'll wait until later this evening in case on the very unlikely chance I win $100 lol
[12:02] <UpuWork> Well people ordered 17 so I had to find about £380 for those
[12:02] <UpuWork> and the Sarantels
[12:02] <Darkside> oh ok
[12:03] <costyn> cuddykid: hehe
[12:03] <UpuWork> they all paid me though
[12:03] <Darkside> UpuWork: yeah, i've done that
[12:03] <UpuWork> ok afk food bb soon
[12:03] <Darkside> i've dropped a good $1500 on the micronut development stuff
[12:03] <fsphil> I dare not count up what I've spent
[12:04] <cuddykid> lol fsphil
[12:04] <cuddykid> I think it would be better to run a ublox with ardupilot rather than a lassen
[12:04] <fsphil> yea
[12:05] <fsphil> lassens seem a bit fussy
[12:05] <daveake> 4Hz vs 1Hz too
[12:05] <Darkside> if you're not going >18km theres faster gpses
[12:06] <cuddykid> Darkside: hopefully I will be :P otherwise yeah there are other far cheaper ones that are fully integrated with ardupilot
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[12:27] <fsphil> how many here have receivers that can get to 869mhz FM?
[12:28] <daveake> yep
[12:29] <gonzo_> me
[12:29] <gonzo_> the question is, how many have antennas
[12:29] <fsphil> that's my next question
[12:29] <fsphil> my next flight should have APRS on 869mhz, wondering how many can receive it
[12:30] <gonzo_> given some notice I could build one
[12:30] <gonzo_> antenna that is
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[12:30] <fsphil> it's at least a month away yet
[12:30] Action: SpeedEvil bets on two.
[12:30] <fsphil> that'd be a good bet lol
[12:30] <SpeedEvil> Actually - April 1.
[12:30] <daveake> I don't but there's a radio ham in the village with loads of aerials so I could probably borrow one
[12:31] <fsphil> you'd also need to run some kind of igate software. I only know about those on linux
[12:39] <gonzo_> there are no AR bands there. Not in the UK
[12:41] <gonzo_> there's a US band at 900MHz, but that's 31meg away. Would be ok on a vertical omni, but you'd find that a yagi would not work
[12:41] <gonzo_> the good old discone would be the best bet for an omni
[12:45] <fsphil> I've only got some wire at the moment for testing
[12:45] <fsphil> at short range it's not important
[12:45] <fsphil> I'm considering getting another cheap 2m/70cm mag mount and cutting the element
[12:46] <fsphil> so I can track from the car
[12:47] <fsphil> well, I'll be tracking the normal rtty anyway
[12:49] <fsphil> the frequency drift on the 869mhz module will probably be worse than on 434mhz too
[12:50] <fsphil> not sure if that will cause problems
[12:50] <fsphil> the drift should still be quite small compared to the 15khz bandwidth of the signal
[13:05] <number10> I have receiver that will do 869MHz fsphil - what else will I need for the APRS stuff
[13:06] <fsphil> antenna and software
[13:06] <fsphil> the software is an unknown on windows
[13:06] <fsphil> on linux use aprx + soundmodem
[13:08] <number10> only have wondows
[13:09] <fsphil> there is software to do it, but I don't know what it is
[13:09] <UpuWork> AGPWTracker
[13:09] <UpuWork> something like that
[13:10] <number10> If I have time will read up and see if I can get ready - but will have to work out how to test it - I havent really looked into APRS
[13:11] <number10> daveake also has scanner
[13:11] <fsphil> if you get it to receive anything on 144.800 mhz, it should work on this too
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[13:34] <number10> pfsphil: is this how it goes - we receive APRS packets and our local program runs internet gateway sending the data to you who is running a ARPS serever - or are there established APRS servers that we send to, and can observe the position?
[13:34] <fsphil> established servers
[13:34] <fsphil> the igate software uploads to APRS-IS
[13:34] <fsphil> and then gets distributed to whoever wants it
[13:35] <fsphil> and should also get plotted on aprs.fi
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[13:36] <number10> ok, cheers
[13:38] <number10> so you last updated at 2012-01-11 13:21:06z
[13:40] <fsphil> the test payload is 2I0VIM-2
[13:40] <fsphil> though it hasn't transmitted since last night
[13:40] <number10> I looked at 2I0VIM
[13:41] <fsphil> that's the igate software
[13:41] <number10> right got it
[13:41] <fsphil> same way we have the antenna stations in spacenear.us
[13:41] <number10> that shouldnt be too difficult then (famous last words)
[13:42] <fsphil> lol
[13:42] <number10> especially if it goes as well as my first HAB tracking experience :(
[13:43] <fsphil> well it's pretty experimental, so I've no idea if anyone will receive it
[13:44] <number10> do you have to have a ham call sign for the igate
[13:44] <fsphil> I think so
[13:44] <fsphil> it needs a password, but that's just calculated from the callsign used
[13:44] <number10> ah, exams next tuesday, presuming I pass, it'll take a week to put results through I may be OK
[13:45] <fsphil> since nothing is being transmitted it should be fine
[13:46] <fsphil> oooh good luck
[13:46] <fsphil> foundation?
[13:46] <number10> both found and int
[13:46] <fsphil> brilliant
[13:46] <fsphil> wish I could have done that, would've saved a lot of time
[13:47] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, sure would...
[13:47] <number10> I was going to do it a while back but did not want to spend evenings on a course - but just before christmas I phoned up CUWS to see if I could do self study
[13:48] <number10> emailed
[13:48] <daveake> I was going to do it when I was a teenager (yes, radio had been invented then...) but was put off my having to learn morse for the full license
[13:48] <number10> next day I was doing the practicals, and was booked into the exams
[13:48] <fsphil> same here daveake
[13:48] <LazyLeopard> Still, having a handy university society happy to hold exams for folks not at the establishment is handy. ;)
[13:49] <fsphil> I must poke the two local clubs, see if either are doing the advanced soon. one of them requires membership though, which is a right pita
[13:49] <LazyLeopard> number10: Sounds like Martin's style. ;)
[13:49] <number10> it is LazyLeopard - and Martin there was very kind to spend time with me
[13:49] <number10> it was only an enquiry - and he said come over tomorrow!
[13:50] <LazyLeopard> He signed me off for the Intermediate practicals, too.
[13:50] <number10> where abouts are you LazyLeopard?
[13:50] <LazyLeopard> ...in similarly short order.
[13:50] <fsphil> you know, it might be easier for me to do the advanced in england
[13:50] <fsphil> fly over for a weekend
[13:50] <LazyLeopard> Orpington.
[13:51] <number10> there are some advanced exam timelots for the weekend - but I presume that he would only arange for when other students are available
[13:52] <gonzo_> you should be able to do self stufy for the advanced phil
[13:52] <LazyLeopard> fsphil: Could well be. The Advanced doen't really need a course. It's just a matter of some serious reading and booking an exam.
[13:52] <fsphil> that's what I'm wondering LazyLeopard. plus I get a holiday out of it :)
[13:53] <number10> what made you do yours with CUWS LazyLeopard?
[13:53] <LazyLeopard> The Advanced exam is at dates and times dictated by the RCE (blanking on acronym there... correct as appropriate)
[13:53] <russss> yeah most instructors will help you with the Advanced by email if you ask nicely I think
[13:53] <russss> RCF
[13:53] <russss> :)
[13:54] <LazyLeopard> Visited a friend who's in the CamHams, and met Martin there.
[13:54] <number10> http://www.rsgb.org/tutors/pdf/advanced-exam-dates-2011-2013.pdf
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[13:58] <fsphil> only 7 dates this year!
[13:59] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, that's the way it works.
[13:59] <number10> I wonder how long it would take me to read the full stuff
[14:00] <LazyLeopard> Too late for the January one now (probably) but you could get yourself booked for the March one!
[14:02] <number10> that would put the pressure on, I suppose I should flick through the book before commiting to that (and that assumes I dont flunk the others)
[14:02] <LazyLeopard> It took me about six weeks at an hour or so a day....
[14:02] <LazyLeopard> ...very roughly.
[14:03] <number10> interesting. much prior knowledge?
[14:03] <fsphil> I may aim for the march oen
[14:03] <fsphil> one
[14:03] <fsphil> will ping the local clubs first
[14:03] <LazyLeopard> Mainly from foundation and intermediate,
[14:03] <SparxEtch> I need to get my intermediate done
[14:04] <number10> have you started reading the advanced book yet fsphil?
[14:04] <SparxEtch> Nearest club to me is Chelmsford. :/
[14:04] <number10> thanks for that LazyLeopard
[14:04] <fsphil> number10, I've flicked hrough it
[14:04] <fsphil> *through
[14:04] <fsphil> it's pretty heavy stuff
[14:05] <fsphil> lots of maths
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[14:09] <LazyLeopard> Well, you can use a calculator in the exam, and you get given a formula sheet (which helpfully doesn't actually tell you what the formula is about) and it is a multiple choice exam.
[14:09] <number10> so you dont have to remember the formulas>
[14:10] <fsphil> aaah
[14:10] <fsphil> I thought you did
[14:10] <LazyLeopard> You have to remember which of the twenty plus formulas is the correct one to use ;)
[14:10] <fsphil> phew
[14:11] <fsphil> I've still not got my head around impedance
[14:11] <fsphil> not totally
[14:11] <LazyLeopard> It's not much use using the one for capacitors if it's inductors you're working on. ;)
[14:12] <number10> yes but presumable that would have a C instead of an L ;)
[14:13] <number10> where abouts are you SparxEtch?
[14:15] <SparxEtch> Islington.
[14:16] <SparxEtch> The trouble is I don't drive, and the CARS is in Danbury. (Rather inaccessible without a car - mostly)
[14:16] <number10> nothing in north london?
[14:17] <fsphil> lack of car was my biggest problem last time
[14:17] <SparxEtch> Nothing, at least nothing within an N postcode.
[14:17] <russss> SparxEtch: hah
[14:17] <russss> SparxEtch: we're planning on running one at https://london.hackspace.org.uk/ soon
[14:18] <russss> are we not on the RSGB site? that's a bit annoying
[14:19] <SparxEtch> You can count me in as 'very interested'
[14:19] <SparxEtch> Shoreditch is only down the road, haha.
[14:20] <russss> we've got tons of demand, we're the only RSGB exam centre this side of zone 6
[14:20] <fsphil> how soon russss?
[14:21] <russss> I just emailed the instructor today
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[14:21] <fsphil> I'd be up for a trip
[14:21] <russss> I'd like to do another foundation in February and then an intermediate in march/april time
[14:21] <UpuWork> russss see if you can do them back to back
[14:21] <UpuWork> I did
[14:21] <russss> but that's dependent on our instructor's availability
[14:21] <UpuWork> as long as you pass Foundation they will let you take the intermediate straight after
[14:22] <russss> well, the plan is for that foundation course to feed into the intermediate, and I don't want to pressure people into committing to both
[14:22] <SparxEtch> I may do my foundation again, I did mine several years ago and never really remembered an awful lot.
[14:22] <daveake> All I remember from my degree is that I did one :D
[14:23] <Laurenceb> lol
[14:23] <fsphil> a 360 degree?
[14:26] <daveake> The minutes went on forever
[14:26] <daveake> My degree was electronics, but I discovered ( a ) software and ( b ) women ....
[14:26] <daveake> ... all went downhill from there :)
[14:27] <SparxEtch> I was learning Python at the time, and it sort of, pushed it out of my brain.
[14:28] <number10> ( c ) wine
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[14:31] <cuddykid> looks like it would be ~£20 cheaper ordering an APM2 from the US rather than from a UK reseller
[14:35] <UpuWork> until customs smack you for .. £20
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[14:37] <SpeedEvil> If you can split the order into under 16 quid chunks, ...
[14:46] <cuddykid> UpuWork: oh yeah :/ good point!
[14:47] <cuddykid> SpeedEvil: don't think so - it's just one main board
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[14:47] <SpeedEvil> cuddykid: ask if they have a guiloutine.
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[14:52] <daveake> Do they sell them in Tesco? You could use the Worral Thompson method
[14:58] <fsphil> lol
[15:00] <cuddykid> SpeedEvil: lol
[15:00] <daveake> 1 hour to go
[15:00] <cuddykid> daveake: hah
[15:00] <cuddykid> my alarm just went off too for that
[15:00] <daveake> :)
[15:00] <cuddykid> :P
[15:01] <fsphil> live webcam: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/free-day-2012
[15:01] <cuddykid> I do hope at least someone has success
[15:01] <cuddykid> fsphil: nice
[15:03] <cuddykid> I'm guessing the fire extinguisher is there for when the server explodes
[15:05] <LazyLeopard> ...which will be about 17 seconds after the clock ticks over. ;)
[15:05] <cuddykid> yup
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[15:17] <fsphil> anyone used this? (in german) www.pappradio.de
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[15:37] <Laurenceb> how do you get the interface?
[15:38] <Laurenceb> go to your account after its started?
[15:39] <fsphil> click on the banner
[15:39] <fsphil> must be logged in though
[15:39] Action: fsphil was just playing a 3DS -- amazing screen!
[15:41] <joph> i don't like this small screens
[15:41] <joph> *these
[15:41] <cuddykid> free polycarbonate has just arrived :D
[15:41] <cuddykid> it weighs a fair amount though :S
[15:42] <cuddykid> it's certainly not going to be a lightweight glider :P
[15:42] <Laurenceb> nothing happens
[15:42] <fsphil> it's not started yet Laurenceb
[15:42] <Laurenceb> ah i see
[15:43] <fsphil> supposedly you can click on the banner after it begins
[15:44] <UpuWork> Whens it start in English ?
[15:44] <UpuWork> 15ms
[15:44] <UpuWork> rgr
[15:44] <fsphil> aye
[15:45] <fsphil> the site is still working
[15:45] <fsphil> impressive
[15:45] <UpuWork> yep I'm logged in
[15:47] <daveake> It's like waiting for a launch, except you actually know when it will happen :)
[15:49] <fsphil> there's still time for them to do a nasa
[15:50] <UpuWork> could do a HAB and just disappear of the internet for 2 hours
[15:50] <daveake> "Launch delayed due to Lassen waiting for lock"
[15:50] <fsphil> lol
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[15:51] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[15:52] <fsphil> #sparkfun is moving too fast to follow now :)
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[15:52] <fsphil> I'm suppose to be working...
[15:53] <cuddykid> lol
[15:54] <jiffe98> yeah, would be nice if they did this after hours so I didn't have to blow off work to try to win $100 from sparkfun
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[15:57] <cos^> hello
[15:57] <fsphil> hiya cos^
[15:58] <cos^> new balloon project in finland starting soon
[15:58] <UpuWork> jolly good
[15:58] <UpuWork> got a project page ?
[15:58] <cuddykid> 1:30& dun dun
[15:58] <cos^> in finnish yes: http://5w.fi/wiki/Wilmapallo
[15:58] Action: fsphil puts on the Jaws theme tune
[15:58] <cos^> local hackerspace project
[15:59] Action: cuddykid concentrates..
[15:59] <UpuWork> yikes !
[15:59] <UpuWork> Ilmatyynyalukseni on täynnä ankeriaita
[15:59] <daveake> da dum ... da dum ....
[16:00] <cuddykid> lol
[16:00] <cuddykid> down
[16:00] <daveake> lol
[16:00] <fsphil> it's gone lol
[16:00] <UpuWork> 502 Bad Gateway lololol
[16:00] <jiffe98> hah
[16:00] <jiffe98> they're off to a great start
[16:00] <Laurenceb> 502 Bad Gateway
[16:00] <daveake> "free day is over"
[16:00] <UpuWork> press F5 more admins love it when you press F5
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[16:00] <WillDuckworth> continuously..........
[16:01] <WillDuckworth> lol
[16:01] <daveake> Well that lasted
[16:01] <Hes> APRSIS32 is my windows APRS client of choice, more sensible than AGWTracker
[16:01] <cos^> for beginning we're planning minimal balloon with gps+gsm, arduino+gps and cameras just to see if we can do it
[16:01] <WillDuckworth> ctrl-f5 - no messin
[16:01] <Hes> (for the old discussion)
[16:01] <daveake> "Something broke" lol
[16:02] <daveake> That'll teach them for running the site on an Arduino
[16:02] <cuddykid> working
[16:02] <BrainDamage> just setup a script and refresh 5 times per second
[16:02] <UpuWork> I'm in
[16:03] <Laurenceb> what the hell
[16:03] <Laurenceb> just entered about 50 capchas
[16:03] <Laurenceb> no luck
[16:03] <UpuWork> me too
[16:03] <cuddykid> half of them are impossible to decipher
[16:03] <fsphil> I'm not lol
[16:03] <jiffe98> I still have a something broke page
[16:04] <daveake> I hate captcha
[16:04] <costyn> haha sparkfun died violently
[16:04] <costyn> ah... you've already noticed I see
[16:05] <daveake> Apparently it doubts I'm human
[16:05] <cos^> are there any guidelines how to calculate amount of hydrogen needed for a balloon? we're planning to use TA200 to lift <500g payload.
[16:05] <BrainDamage> I bet the recaptcha guys will love that sparkfun site is dosing them indirectly
[16:06] <WillDuckworth> is the sparkfun thing an early april fools?
[16:06] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: I think so lol
[16:07] <daveake> I have enough trouble typing normal words
[16:07] <jiffe98> I get captchas in other languages
[16:07] <Laurenceb> this is a waste of time
[16:07] <Laurenceb> entered in about 100 times now
[16:07] <daveake> When I win the captcha will probably be "f**k this"
[16:07] <Laurenceb> maybe wait for an hour or so
[16:07] <Laurenceb> for p[eople to get board
[16:07] <cuddykid> they've only given out $400 so far :S
[16:08] <Laurenceb> i can hardly read the captchas
[16:08] <UpuWork> I read $400
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[16:08] <UpuWork> 300
[16:08] <jiffe98> I don't know how to enter these chinese characters :\
[16:08] <UpuWork> jsut get something near
[16:08] <Lunar_Lander> greek also
[16:08] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[16:08] <daveake> $800. I bet that's a very very low hit rate
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> 140000/28
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> Or 1 in 5000 chance
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> So each click is $.02
[16:09] <cuddykid> ohh, refreshed now $3,200
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> https://pachube.com/feeds/43969
[16:11] <Laurenceb> is this some sort of captcha engine they have made
[16:11] <SpeedEvil> no
[16:11] <Zuph> Nope
[16:12] <SpeedEvil> recaptcha
[16:12] <Laurenceb> getting humans to crack email accounts so they can send spam
[16:12] <Zuph> It's standard
[16:12] <Laurenceb> i mean maybe its fake recaptcha
[16:12] <Zuph> haha
[16:12] <Zuph> That would be funny.
[16:12] <Laurenceb> and they are grabbing the captchas off someones email
[16:12] <Laurenceb> im up to about 200
[16:12] <Laurenceb> nothing
[16:12] <Laurenceb> im going to give up soon
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> well - it's one in 6000 or so now
[16:13] <Laurenceb> - 200 captchas entered
[16:13] <Laurenceb> you think
[16:13] <Laurenceb> then its not worth trying
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> well - are you willing to click for $.014 average
[16:13] <Laurenceb> no way
[16:14] <Laurenceb> ill come back in an hour
[16:14] <Randomskk> has it occurred to anyone that we're basically being used to solve captchas en masse?
[16:14] <Randomskk> oh
[16:14] <Randomskk> yes it did
[16:14] <Laurenceb> yeah that was my point
[16:14] <Randomskk> just up a bit
[16:14] <Randomskk> nice
[16:14] <Randomskk> recaptcha is hard :|
[16:14] <UpuWork> these captures are very hard just failed 4 in a row
[16:14] <Laurenceb> i missed about 5 so far
[16:15] <daveake> jcoxon should use a captcha version of Hellschreiber. See how many people stick at it :D
[16:16] <cuddykid> lol
[16:16] <BrainDamage> interesting: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10150
[16:16] <BrainDamage> horribly expensive like usual from sparkfun
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> 404
[16:16] <UpuWork> can't see it page won't load
[16:16] <cuddykid> same
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> For some reason
[16:16] <BrainDamage> epaper display, 2x16
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> ah
[16:16] <Zuph> BrainDamage: AFAIK, they're the only ones selling something like that.
[16:16] <UpuWork> oh I looked at one of those nice though
[16:17] <BrainDamage> Zuph: my hope is that there'll be more retailers in the future
[16:17] <BrainDamage> for more sane prices
[16:17] <Laurenceb> this is a waste of time
[16:17] <Zuph> That would be nice
[16:17] Action: Laurenceb gives up
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[16:17] <Zuph> Unfortunately, there are just a few companies making the displays, and they're tight on dev kits and the like.
[16:17] <Laurenceb> ill come back in an hour, hopefully the kiddies will have got bored
[16:18] <Zuph> $1500 or so for a similar display with a microcontroller and some other gizmos on a board, iirc. (for the official dev kit)
[16:18] <fsphil> I'm not sure this is even possible
[16:18] <BrainDamage> yup, which is absurd for anyone who's not going to mass produce them
[16:20] <Laurenceb> #occuptfreeday
[16:21] <Laurenceb> *occupy
[16:21] <Laurenceb> wth is it called that
[16:21] <Zuph> BrainDamage: The e-ink guys aren't really interested if you're not going to mass produce them :)
[16:21] <Zuph> An active matrix e-ink display for reasonable moneys would be truly killer.
[16:21] <BrainDamage> sure, I mean, I wonder if they are intentially trying to weed out the small guys by enforcing absurt prices for the dev kits
[16:22] <BrainDamage> I wonder how long tough someone will buy a batch, and start retailing the single displays
[16:24] <cuddykid> oh well - I've *hopefully* managed to get £60 off an ardupilot mega 2 - that's more than enough for me!
[16:25] <fsphil> did you win?
[16:25] <cuddykid> fsphil: no, unmannedtechshop.co.uk are probably going to sponsor the glider thing
[16:25] <fsphil> aaah
[16:25] <fsphil> lol
[16:25] <cuddykid> lol
[16:25] <fsphil> seems the odds of this sparkfun thing is up there with winning the lottery
[16:25] <cuddykid> They want me to put their logo on the glider and in return would give me £60 off APM2
[16:26] <fsphil> sweet
[16:26] <UpuWork> fsphil 1 in 6500 ?
[16:26] <fsphil> yikes
[16:27] <fsphil> ah, #sparkfun is moderated
[16:27] <Randomskk> haha
[16:27] <Randomskk> not surprised
[16:27] <Randomskk> surprised it's only 521 nicks
[16:29] <fsphil> it was a great deal more last time
[16:29] <Laurenceb> yeah
[16:29] <Laurenceb> suprised the odds arent better
[16:29] <fsphil> I think they hit 1000 on the first free day
[16:29] <Laurenceb> maybe they secred up
[16:30] <Laurenceb> screwed
[16:36] <Laurenceb> cuddykid: you are going to use diydrones code?
[16:36] <cuddykid> Laurenceb: yeah, after thinking long and hard about it - I'm going to go down a tried and tested route - but I'll be modifying bits and also running a separate atmega328 for comms etc
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[16:39] <Laurenceb> i see
[16:40] <Laurenceb> id still try and go as simple as possible
[16:40] <Laurenceb> be aware its going to get very cold
[16:43] <Laurenceb> mems sensor drift a lot
[16:53] <fsphil> this thing has ask me so many times if I'm not a robot, I'm starting to wonder myself
[16:54] <daveake> How long have you been not a robot, you're starting to wonder yourself?
[16:54] <daveake> (If you don't know "ELIZA" that won't make much sense :) )
[16:54] <fsphil> aah, needed the tip lol
[16:55] <cuddykid> I think I've won!
[16:55] <cuddykid> got redirected to the won page but it's down atm
[16:55] <fsphil> typical lol
[16:55] <daveake> lol
[16:55] <cuddykid> that's annoying lol
[16:55] <stilldavid> we're wooooorking on it!
[16:56] <stilldavid> if you got redir'd, it'll be stored, though
[16:56] <cuddykid> hmm -
[16:56] <fsphil> sweet
[16:56] <fsphil> so it is possible ;)
[16:56] <stilldavid> if you give me your cust #, I can look up your code if you need
[16:56] <fsphil> my fingers are sore, will take a break
[16:56] <daveake> to almost win
[16:57] <fsphil> I've not worked this much at work since... er
[16:57] <cuddykid> oh - no, stupid me - used a different browser and the link without logging in so I think it's just redirected me to home page (which the win page also redirects to :P) so & no lol
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[17:01] <Tom25> Hello!
[17:01] <fsphil> this is quite addictive
[17:01] <cuddykid> I wonder how much a chinese labourer would be per hour - could have them continually entering lol
[17:02] <fsphil> haha, plan!
[17:02] <fsphil> hiya Tom25
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[17:02] <fsphil> although I'm starting to get a captcha migraine
[17:03] <cuddykid> lol
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[17:04] <Tom25> Quick question, I'm about to start work on my first tracker, and I'm going to buy a radio to test it/use during flight. Firstly, is the yaesu ft-790r a good choice, or is there a cheaper/better one about? Secondly, do i need a lham licence for balloon usage?
[17:04] <Tom25> *ham, sorry typo
[17:05] <Randomskk> you don't need a license to receive
[17:05] <Randomskk> and yes, that would work fine and is basically the cheapest choice
[17:06] <fsphil> you also don't need a license to transmit with the license exempt modules, like the NTX2
[17:06] <fsphil> so as long as you don't transmit with the ft-790, you're fine :)
[17:10] <fsphil> where abouts are you Tom25?
[17:10] <fsphil> if you're not in the UK, there's a good chance you could use an amateur radio from the air if you get a license
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[17:16] <fsphil> brb, heading home. yays!
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[17:20] <Tom25> Uk:) thanks!
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[17:35] <Laurenceb> vivisection doctor
[17:36] <Laurenceb> is the captcha :P
[17:38] <number10> capcha thing is the reason I sometimes come on here with strange nick - as type in wrong box on freenode
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[17:43] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:46] <fsphil> yay, home
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:46] <fsphil> any luck Lunar_Lander?
[17:47] <Lunar_Lander> not yet, sorry
[17:47] <fsphil> nor here
[17:47] <fsphil> but my fingers are stronger than they've ever been
[17:48] <cuddykid> this improves the touch typing
[17:49] <fsphil> partef directly
[17:50] <fsphil> cause you wouldn't want to partef indirectly. that'd just be silly
[17:50] <cuddykid> YEAHHHHHHH!
[17:50] <cuddykid> WON! :D
[17:50] <fsphil> git lol
[17:50] <cuddykid> lol
[17:50] <fsphil> congats!
[17:50] <cuddykid> they give a code - got to use in 60 days
[17:50] <fsphil> so it really is possible... right
[17:50] <daveake> gi .... well done :)
[17:50] <cuddykid> awesome - that was just from bashing out about 50 in a couple of mins lol
[17:51] <cuddykid> yay - now I can order some cool kit
[17:51] <daveake> upsoun Spike.
[17:51] <daveake> oops
[17:51] <Upu> hah
[17:51] <daveake> wrong window LOL
[17:51] <cuddykid> lol
[17:51] <daveake> That's twice they've been anagrams of Upu
[17:52] <daveake> And that one lost, too
[17:52] <daveake> I think I'm going to give up and connect up this GSM module
[17:52] <daveake> Get some "work" done :)
[17:53] <cuddykid> not sure what I'm going to spend it on - was originally planning to get IMU but if I'm buying a APM2 there's no need now
[17:56] <cuddykid> here's the text on the win page "Nice work! All those captchas you filled out finally paid off and you are a winner! I hope your fingers aren't tired from all that typing and clicking."
[17:57] <cuddykid> I must have typed out at least 1000 of those damn things
[18:00] <daveake> cuddykid fets arrived yet?
[18:00] Action: cuddykid must stick to things I really need
[18:01] <cuddykid> daveake: not yet :)
[18:01] <daveake> ok should be tomorrow
[18:03] <cuddykid> brilliant, there's no real hurry but I'm just waiting on that now to complete my cutdown module :)
[18:04] <cuddykid> well - actually, I'm still trying to decide on what exactly to use to power it
[18:04] <cuddykid> daveake: how did you power it?
[18:04] <daveake> Oh don't do what I did :p
[18:05] <cuddykid> lol
[18:05] <daveake> I had 3 AAAs. Not enough oomph. The cutdown did melt the cord, but it also rebooted the processor.
[18:05] <cuddykid> was planning to use the little video camera battery - but no juice in them
[18:05] <cuddykid> lol
[18:05] <cuddykid> daveake: even with fet?
[18:06] <daveake> Nothing to do with the FET. The current draw dropped the battery voltage too much
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[18:13] <cuddykid> dakeake: ahh
[18:13] <cuddykid> *daveake
[18:13] <jcoxon> anyone won on sparkfun?
[18:14] <SpeedEvil> jcoxon: I did a few attemtps.
[18:14] <jcoxon> lets kick stilldavid to let us win
[18:14] <SpeedEvil> Then I wrote a script to log the odds per minute, and they're about 1 in 5000
[18:15] <stilldavid> wait, wait, wait.
[18:15] <SpeedEvil> Though maybe 1 in 4000 now, as people are getting bored
[18:15] <stilldavid> I'm not in *charge* here, I just coded it.
[18:15] <jcoxon> hehe
[18:15] <SpeedEvil> average rate is about 16k entries/min, not 20k as it was and has been from the beginning
[18:15] <jcoxon> hows tricks stilldavid
[18:15] <stilldavid> isn't it ... evil?
[18:15] <jcoxon> launch on the horrizon?
[18:16] <stilldavid> still got that ZP kickin' around...
[18:16] <jcoxon> exactly
[18:16] <stilldavid> I assume they don't go bad like latex can.
[18:16] <jcoxon> they'll be fine for a while
[18:16] <cuddykid> jcoxon: I won about 15mins ago
[18:17] <stilldavid> cuddykid: congrats :)
[18:17] <cuddykid> cheers :D
[18:17] <stilldavid> glad to know real people are winning instead of bots.
[18:17] <stilldavid> we got hit *hard* when we launched
[18:17] <jcoxon> yeah
[18:17] <jcoxon> i got errors
[18:17] <cuddykid> just wondering what to buy now- trying to stick to stuff that will actually be useful
[18:17] <stilldavid> we shut down some bots by IP and tweaked our mongo setup and things have been smooth since
[18:18] <SpeedEvil> Bots?
[18:18] <SpeedEvil> Oh noes!
[18:18] <jcoxon> hehe
[18:18] <cuddykid> sparkfun don't stock any uBlox :(
[18:19] <jcoxon> yeah they do
[18:19] <stilldavid> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9436
[18:19] <jcoxon> it has an evil connector
[18:19] <cuddykid> :O
[18:19] <cuddykid> oo
[18:19] <stilldavid> u-blox. I need to fix search on that
[18:19] <jcoxon> just a warning
[18:19] <stilldavid> get the breakout and glue it to the module
[18:19] <cuddykid> ahh yeah brill thanks guys
[18:19] <stilldavid> worth the $5
[18:20] <jcoxon> i can't read the captcha - am i a bot?
[18:26] <stilldavid> http://xkcd.com/233/
[18:27] <Randomskk> http://xkcd.com/632/
[18:28] <Randomskk> xkcd is full of relevant ones actually http://xkcd.com/810/
[18:32] <jcoxon> i think stilldavid is making us to captchas to hack something else
[18:32] <jcoxon> its just forwarding hte captchas from another site he is trying to spam
[18:33] <stilldavid> jcoxon: you're on to the ruse
[18:33] <stilldavid> we're gonna calculate pi next year
[18:33] <daveake> We're a captcha decoding farm :)
[18:35] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander> farm
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander> THE FARM!
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buJ2DZZHHAI
[18:39] <jcoxon> oh i give up
[18:41] <Randomskk> upside down words haha
[18:41] <fsphil> I so worry that the captcha's are things like "uranium" and "high-energy"
[18:41] <fsphil> and "experiment" just nopw
[18:41] <fsphil> -p
[18:41] <fsphil> are sparkfun building a nuclear reactor?
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> may I use a swear word?
[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> may I or may I not?
[18:43] <fsphil> I did get a black box earlier. I thought maybe it was a caption competition
[18:45] <daveake> Dunno what it's suggesting, but I just got "(Phil. illelegi"
[18:45] <cuddykid> hmm - this is interesting, wonder if it would work on a payload -> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9689
[18:45] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[18:45] <fsphil> lol!
[18:45] <fsphil> I've been found out!
[18:45] <Lunar_Lander> I do it without the swear word then
[18:45] Action: fsphil runs back to his mothership
[18:46] <Lunar_Lander> I just entered another captcha and then it said
[18:46] <Lunar_Lander> WINNER!
[18:46] <fsphil> git
[18:46] <fsphil> lol
[18:46] <cuddykid> congrats Lunar_Lander
[18:46] <daveake> I haven't even had "winner" as a captcha word
[18:46] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[18:46] <Lunar_Lander> xD daveake
[18:47] <Lunar_Lander> I mean
[18:47] <Lunar_Lander> I typed it in
[18:47] <Lunar_Lander> then it said "checking"
[18:47] <Lunar_Lander> and then "You Won"
[18:47] <Lunar_Lander> and then the WINNER site came
[18:47] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:48] <fsphil> Watch'a gonna get Lunar_Lander?
[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> don't know yet
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> I'll think about it
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:49] <daveake> do they sell keyboards? :)
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:49] <fsphil> lol
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> I liked the one kit for a watch they had
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> but I don't know if I shall select something expensive
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> the 9 DoF or Geiger is even more than $100
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> we'll see
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:52] <cuddykid> so far I have 5 items in my cart
[18:52] <cuddykid> 3 mini push button switches, 1 ATMega328 and an Optical Dust Sensor
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[18:52] <cuddykid> subtotal $18.50 - still a way to go! :P
[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> YAY the SHARP
[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> I bought that last year already
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[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> did you see the comments on the product site of it?
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> some guy asked if that sensor may be immersed in water
[18:53] <cuddykid> Lunar_Lander, is it ok to interface?
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:53] <cuddykid> yep lol
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> actually it is still in its bag
[18:53] <cuddykid> have you flown one?
[18:53] <cuddykid> oh lol
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> no
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> my flight count is still 0
[18:53] <cuddykid> :(
[18:53] <cuddykid> planning is everything though
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> but I already got the appropiate resistor and capacitor for it
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> here
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> http://itp.nyu.edu/physcomp/sensors/Reports/GP2Y1010AU
[18:53] <cuddykid> ahh - yeah, need to get a cap
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[18:56] <nosebleedkt> hi
[18:56] <nosebleedkt> there
[18:56] <cuddykid> on the data sheet it looks like it heats the particles up - might be a problem 20km up lol
[18:58] <cuddykid> min operating temp -10C
[18:58] <cuddykid> eek
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> hi nosebleedkt
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> well Dan has one on the SpeedBall cuddykid
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> and the upper troposphere is even colder than higher up
[19:00] <cuddykid> Lunar_Lander: oh right - I think I'll get one
[19:01] <nosebleedkt> cuddykid: listen to the phycisian :P
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> no
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> physicist
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> I'm not a doctor for people
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:01] <cuddykid> haha
[19:01] <cuddykid> lol
[19:02] <nosebleedkt> loool
[19:05] <nosebleedkt> Lunar_Lander u r what i say
[19:05] <nosebleedkt> :P
[19:05] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:06] <nosebleedkt> i ordered a new GSM shield
[19:06] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[19:06] <nosebleedkt> and im talking with the guy who builts the gamma ray sensor
[19:07] <nosebleedkt> he tries to make a good price because i told him i need it for hab
[19:07] <nosebleedkt> :P
[19:09] <Lunar_Lander> Jeff from Mightyohm?
[19:09] <stilldavid> I met him at MFNY
[19:09] <stilldavid> he's good people
[19:09] <stilldavid> I have one of his counters sitting on my desk :)
[19:09] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:10] <Lunar_Lander> and I like the yellow PCB
[19:10] <nosebleedkt> yes jeef
[19:10] <nosebleedkt> jefry
[19:10] <nosebleedkt> :P
[19:10] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:10] <nosebleedkt> stilldavid: what tha?
[19:10] <Lunar_Lander> did he answer yet?
[19:10] <nosebleedkt> we talked much last time
[19:11] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:11] <nosebleedkt> he is in US
[19:11] <Lunar_Lander> e-mail, skype or so?
[19:11] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[19:11] <nosebleedkt> he told me hewill give me a price when he gets back
[19:11] <nosebleedkt> email
[19:11] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:11] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:11] <Lunar_Lander> he was in Berlin in the final days of last year
[19:11] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:12] <cuddykid> slowly but surely filling up my cart
[19:12] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[19:12] <nosebleedkt> this year is the last yeah of humanity
[19:12] <cuddykid> almost 1/4 of the way now - $24.10
[19:12] <nosebleedkt> 2012 is here
[19:12] <nosebleedkt> :P
[19:12] <cuddykid> I'm dreading what the postage is going to be
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> stilldavid: where in the Ustream is the Geiger Counter?
[19:16] <nosebleedkt> stilldavid: give us more clues dude. it is an expensive piece of hardware.
[19:17] <cuddykid> am I correct in thinking that Li-ion won't work at -50C ?
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[19:17] <nosebleedkt> cuddykid: your stuff wont stay forever on -50c
[19:17] <nosebleedkt> it will be for little
[19:18] <cuddykid> nosebleedkt: yeah, the Li-ion would be for the cutdown module so fully exposed and away from main payload
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[19:18] Action: nosebleedkt forgot about cutdown
[19:19] <nosebleedkt> everybody makes it
[19:19] <stilldavid> well, we're gonna start throwing codes out on the train again :)
[19:19] <nosebleedkt> but ive never heard that it workes
[19:20] <NickB1> Hello all
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> what is about codes on the train?
[19:20] <NickB1> where do I have to send the payload document to ?
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[19:21] <nosebleedkt> lol Lunar_Lander
[19:22] <cuddykid> there's a cheap laser module on spark fun - strap it to the payload lol
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[19:23] <NickB1> does anybody know where I have to send the payload document (from the generator) to ?
[19:24] <cuddykid> no sorry
[19:30] <fsphil-laptop> "telebut frustrating" you can say that agian
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[19:36] <nosebleedkt> tele-butt u said?
[19:36] <nosebleedkt> :P
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[19:42] <cuddykid> past the big 50 mark now
[19:42] <Randomskk> NickB1: pastie.org
[19:42] <Randomskk> and put the link here
[19:42] <NickB1> ok thanks!
[19:43] <NickB1> its just for a first test
[19:43] <NickB1> if its possible this weekend
[19:43] Nick change: SAIDias_ -> W0OTM
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[19:46] <Randomskk> it doesn't take long. hopefully inside of a few weeks there'll be an exciting new system where you press a button and it gets uploaded automatically
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[19:47] <fsphil-laptop> my hands are sore now
[19:47] <fsphil-laptop> this can't be good for my muscles
[19:48] <NickB1> http://pastie.org/3168109
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[20:00] <NickB1> Is the document ok?
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[20:02] <Randomskk> sorry, I totally missed that, hang on
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[20:03] <NickB1> ah ok thanks
[20:03] <Randomskk> it's in the database
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[20:04] <Randomskk> oh, quick question
[20:04] <Randomskk> is the temperature internal or external or what?
[20:05] <cuddykid> hmm - got $18 left, what to buy
[20:05] <NickB1> its internal
[20:05] <Randomskk> great
[20:06] <Randomskk> you're all set
[20:06] <Randomskk> it should appear on dl-fldigi's menu within about five minuts
[20:06] <NickB1> great!
[20:07] <NickB1> I can start testing?
[20:07] <NickB1> or should I wait until sunday ? :)
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[20:09] <Randomskk> well, what dates did you put in the thing?
[20:09] <Randomskk> it'l only work between those dates
[20:09] <Randomskk> sunday
[20:10] <Randomskk> well if you like I can change it to now
[20:10] <NickB1> oh ok that would be great
[20:11] <NickB1> didnt know it would be up there so fast
[20:11] <NickB1> thanks a lot :)
[20:12] <Randomskk> updated to start now
[20:12] <cuddykid> oh that's annoying - promo code won't take anything off delivery
[20:13] <daveake_> lol :(
[20:13] <Randomskk> delivery costs them real cash
[20:13] <daveake_> Buzz2 hanging from my office ceiling - http://i.imgur.com/wuT6J.jpg :)
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[20:15] <cuddykid> hmm - do I go with 1st class mail (not tracked or insured) at $7 or tracked mail at $30?!
[20:16] <cuddykid> nice daveake_
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[20:27] <NickB1> it works :)
[20:28] <daveake_> :)
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[20:35] <Randomskk> NickB1: great :D
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[20:42] <eroomde> evening all
[20:42] <NickB1> evening
[20:42] <eroomde> what;s new?
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> won the free day
[20:49] <Laurenceb_> wow
[20:49] <Laurenceb_> how many captchas did you enter?
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> good question
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> I made screenshots of the strangest ones
[20:49] <Laurenceb_> lots/
[20:49] <Laurenceb_> heh
[20:50] <Laurenceb_> i got vivisection doctor
[20:50] <number10> what are your job plans eroomde?
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> 43 screenshots
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> and many more entered before
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> could be close to 100 maybe
[20:50] <Laurenceb_> LOOOZARRR
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:51] <Laurenceb_> having said that i tried about 200 before deciding to get a life
[20:51] <cuddykid> Laurenceb_: I won too, took a break then went back and did about 50 then bingo
[20:52] <cuddykid> need $6.20 worth more to make it up to $100
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[20:56] <zyp> cuddykid, that's what I did too
[20:56] <zyp> was on it at the start, got tired after a few minutes, did other stuff, took a pause from drawing a schematic, entered a few more captchas, won
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:57] <cuddykid> yeah, I think if people do it now there's a far greater chance of winning
[20:57] <cuddykid> everyone was on at the start
[20:57] <Laurenceb_> "Network Team"
[20:57] <Laurenceb_> lol
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[20:58] <fsphil-laptop> nice, got a captcha with arabic characters
[20:58] <cuddykid> lol
[20:58] <cuddykid> I got some weird maths eqns
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:59] <fsphil-laptop> lots of those yea
[20:59] <cuddykid> Lunar_Lander: have you ordered all your stuff yet?
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> no
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> gonna take some time first to think
[20:59] <zyp> I have no idea what to get
[21:00] <Laurenceb_> "cannibals pasta"
[21:00] <cuddykid> zyp: I've got 29 items so far
[21:00] <Laurenceb_> ok tried another 60 or so
[21:00] <Laurenceb_> no luck here :(
[21:00] <cuddykid> :(
[21:01] <NickB1> same here
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> I don't know if I should get a gyroscope
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> as Paradoxials IMU shield will have one anyway
[21:02] <cuddykid> Lunar_Lander: I was the same - I originally planned to get 9DOF imu but as I'm getting APM2 no need now
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> and I don't need the geiger also because I got a special price for the one at mightyohm
[21:04] <cuddykid> I've got 2 sets of stuff to run atmega328s separately from arduino
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[21:08] <Laurenceb_> Paradoxial?
[21:08] <Laurenceb_> whats that?
[21:09] <cuddykid> right - subtotal $99.85
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> that is a guy from the sparkfun channel who is here sometimes
[21:09] <Laurenceb_> ah
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> as you can see in the backscroll he shortly came on here about 15 minutes ago
[21:11] <cuddykid> checkout time, Lunar_Lander: are you going to go with the cheap not tracked, not insured delivery?
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> well
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> last March I first used the first one
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> I waited for more than one month and suspected it was lost
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> but fedex ist expensive
[21:12] <cuddykid> ohh :S did it turn up in the end?
[21:13] <cuddykid> currently it's $9.81 vs $29.55
[21:13] <jiffe98> only 300 more to go
[21:16] <cuddykid> Lunar_Lander: did the stuff turn up in the end?
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[21:16] <cuddykid> how long did it take?
[21:23] <cuddykid> going to go with the more expensive shipping
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[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> fedex?
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> sorry just got a phone call cuddykid
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[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> fedex came across the atlantic in one day, stayed in customs one day
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> came here in two days
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> week later, the customs bill came
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:26] <NickB1> had that customs problem to
[21:27] <NickB1> pretty expensive
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> one day I had to pick up two books from the customs office which were $8
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> and thus below the amount that is required for taxes
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> but USPS wrapped the package in a mail sack, so that the sticker wasn't visible
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> and I got a letter with "No Customs/Tax information on parcel"
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[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> hello RocketBoy
[21:39] <RocketBoy> yo
[21:40] <Upu> evening
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> hi Upu
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> sparkfun free day almost over
[21:47] <Upu> yeah got bored of entering captures
[21:47] <SpeedEvil> me too
[21:48] <Upu> $100 for bleeding eyes ?
[21:48] <SpeedEvil> The attempt rate has been remarkably constant at 18-20000 per minute over the day
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> and it will be done in under 6 h
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> we are now at 5h 48m
[21:50] <cuddykid> right - time to order
[21:51] <NickB1> Upu , could you clear the log? had a problem with the altitude :)
[21:51] <Upu> sure
[21:51] <Upu> impressive
[21:51] <Upu> giving Voyager 2 a run for its money ?
[21:51] <Upu> done
[21:52] <NickB1> yeah didnt think of the altitude going negative :)
[21:53] <NickB1> thanks
[21:54] <Upu> Quick Question on Arduino can you initialise PC0/PC1 (ADC0/1) as digital lines and use them for soft serial ?
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> the final four winners
[21:54] <NickB1> that shouldnt be a problem upu
[21:54] <Upu> ta
[21:55] <cuddykid> done - order placed :D
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> It's over
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> lasted 5h 55m
[21:55] <Randomskk> Upu: you can just call them pins 14 onwards
[21:55] <Randomskk> or is it 15 onwards
[21:56] <Randomskk> anyway, go over the normal range
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[21:56] Action: SpeedEvil mehs.
[21:56] <Upu> that ok just designing a very small PCB so having to consider where the pins physically are located
[21:56] <SpeedEvil> I think I did ~150
[21:56] <Raul_> Hi guys
[21:56] <fsphil-laptop> thank goodness that's finished
[21:58] <daveake_> :)
[21:58] <fsphil-laptop> I may scream if I see another captcha though
[21:58] <daveake_> sCreaM
[21:58] <cuddykid> ordered a lot of stuff - from push buttons to optical dust sensor to atmegas to superbright led
[21:59] <daveake_> Shame they don't sell keyboards, eyeglasses and paracetamol
[21:59] <cuddykid> most expensive item - the serial LCD display
[21:59] <cuddykid> lol daveake_
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[22:00] <Upu> I got one of those serial LCD's last week for the rotator
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[22:03] <Upu> sorry for the spam jcoxon
[22:04] <fsphil-laptop> rotators are cool
[22:04] <jcoxon> hehe
[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> xD daveake_
[22:06] Action: Lunar_Lander goes to the pharmacy for daveake_
[22:06] <fsphil-laptop> I'm gonna order those motors anyway
[22:07] <fsphil-laptop> I wonder if they kept per-user stats. my fingers felt like I did about 500
[22:07] <jcoxon> Upu, looks good
[22:07] <Upu> yeah not quite there but work in progress just to give you an idea
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> I'm happy
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> I'd only now need a beer
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> and a wife maybe
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:08] <Upu> take the beer and run
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[22:08] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[22:08] <Upu> and type lots so that scrolls off the screen before the wife turns up
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> I'd like to find a british woman
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> somehow
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> don't know why
[22:10] <daveake_> because you've had too much beer
[22:11] <fsphil-laptop> mmm
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[22:11] <fsphil-laptop> ah, no per-user stats
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> I know a guy who organizes travels
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> how is that called
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> he is at a holiday place and then "leads" the groups
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> ah courier is the british word
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> or tour guide
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> he said, british women are the worst when drunk
[22:13] <fsphil-laptop> everyone is bad when drunk
[22:14] <daveake_> beer is good when drunk
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> but once there was a video on TV
[22:15] <fsphil-laptop> that happens sometimes
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> there was some kind of street party in England
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> and even a policewoman took off everything down to her bra
[22:16] <NickB1> sadly I have a non beer related question
[22:16] <NickB1> are GPGGA sentences fixed in length ?
[22:17] <Upu> no
[22:17] <Upu> GPGGA,170854.00,5345.14797,N,00149.07060,W,1,04,4.29,263.7,M,48.1,M,,*41
[22:17] <Upu> altitude can change
[22:17] <Upu> GPGGA,170912.00,,,,,0,00,99.99,,,,,,*6A
[22:17] <Upu> not lock
[22:17] <Upu> etc
[22:18] <NickB1> oh ok
[22:18] <NickB1> $GPGGA,180959.00,5059.4536,N,00504.8875,E,1,05,3.47,00026,M,047,M,,*6C
[22:18] <NickB1> this is from the lassen
[22:19] <NickB1> altitude seems to be fixed
[22:19] <fsphil-laptop> it won't always be
[22:19] <fsphil-laptop> some models do, some don't
[22:19] <NickB1> but then I got an overflow problem :)
[22:20] <daveake_> Yeah, best not to assume that though it case it changes if you use a different GPS for example
[22:20] <NickB1> yeah true
[22:20] <NickB1> gonne make it a bit smarter then
[22:21] <daveake_> Use the commas for parsing
[22:22] <NickB1> ok
[22:22] <NickB1> something for tomorrow
[22:22] <Upu> Oh yes overflows :)
[22:22] <NickB1> did to many captcha's
[22:22] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[22:22] <Upu> just check for nulls when parsing the string
[22:22] <fsphil-laptop> I'm recovering now
[22:22] <fsphil-laptop> ack, they've +m'ed again
[22:23] <fsphil-laptop> love the apex balloons!
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[22:24] <fsphil-laptop> http://t.co/hPC0elyz
[22:27] <jcoxon> hooray
[22:27] <jcoxon> i've booted my antenova ublox 6 gps
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[22:28] <fsphil-laptop> sweet
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[22:32] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWx_2fqhzOQ - did I link?
[22:32] <SpeedEvil> Cree showing a protoype light.
[22:33] <SpeedEvil> 150lm/W in warm-white, in a 100W equivalent bulb that plugs into 110V
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[22:38] <fsphil-laptop> that beard suggests he's an open source developer
[22:40] <fsphil-laptop> that's a weird looking led
[22:41] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
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[22:45] <jcoxon> and lock
[22:46] <jcoxon> minimal wiring
[22:46] <Upu> great are ublox 6
[22:46] <Upu> this a prebuilt module ?
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> hier
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> *here
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> https://secure.flickr.com/photos/adafruit/6662853295/in/set-72157628784426767/
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[22:56] <fsphil-laptop> that's ... what is that?
[22:57] <russss> if i'm not entirely mistaken that's a metric shitton of arduinos
[22:57] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:58] <russss> perhaps two metric shittons
[22:58] <Lunar_Lander> Adafruit visited the arduino factory
[22:58] <fsphil-laptop> nice
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[23:09] <jcoxon> this gps is awesome
[23:09] <jcoxon> 1.1g
[23:09] <fsphil-laptop> no antenna though
[23:09] <fsphil-laptop> ?
[23:09] <jcoxon> yeah
[23:09] <jcoxon> intergrated
[23:09] <fsphil-laptop> ooh pics?
[23:09] <jcoxon> m10382
[23:13] <jcoxon> ummm no pics currently
[23:13] <jcoxon> can link data sheet
[23:14] <fsphil-laptop> their website keeps directing me to the main page
[23:14] <jcoxon> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDMQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.antenova.com%2F%3Fid%3D1699&ei=1RcOT9DAINGJhQeO14itBA&usg=AFQjCNHwlyBrIJ9uXqQri-LWlNy7ipXIQg
[23:14] <fsphil-laptop> that too
[23:14] <jcoxon> http://sigma.octopart.com/10602907/image/Antenova-M10382-A1.jpg
[23:15] <fsphil-laptop> that works
[23:15] <jcoxon> will do proper pics
[23:15] <fsphil-laptop> weird looking
[23:15] <jcoxon> yeah its unusual
[23:15] <jcoxon> but tiny tiny
[23:15] <jcoxon> and it worked after minimal dead bug soldering
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[23:26] <Lunar_Lander> hey Dan-K2VOL
[23:26] <Dan-K2VOL> hey
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[23:27] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL: cuddykid asked earlier about the SHARP dust sensor
[23:27] <Lunar_Lander> and I told him that SpeedBall uses one
[23:27] <Lunar_Lander> his concern was the low temperature
[23:31] <Dan-K2VOL> not sure right now
[23:31] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:31] <Lunar_Lander> the temperature shouldn't be a problem for the sensor I think
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[23:31] <jcoxon> hehe i'm reading negative comments on sparkfun
[23:31] <Dan-K2VOL> oh?
[23:32] <jcoxon> well about the free day
[23:32] <jcoxon> how people are complaining about the process
[23:32] <jcoxon> not remembering its free
[23:32] <SparxEtch> cd ..
[23:32] <SparxEtch> oops
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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