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[03:12] <MrCraig> anyone awake?
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[09:46] <jcoxon> morning
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[09:50] <SamSilver> hi 14h00 still on? jcoxon ?
[09:51] <jcoxon> yeah
[09:55] <number10> morning
[09:55] <nosebleedKT> yoz
[09:55] <jcoxon> number10, hey
[09:56] <jcoxon> whats the wind like up in suffolk?
[09:56] <number10> its a little bit gusty
[09:57] <number10> calmish inbetween
[09:57] <jcoxon> okay
[09:57] <jcoxon> its only a single balloon
[09:59] <Upu> morning
[10:00] <number10> nothing to do with the wind, as its not that bad.I just snapped the pole I was using for antenna.
[10:01] <number10> I think was really not fit for purpose
[10:04] <jcoxon> okay payload weight without insulation is 29.7g
[10:05] <NigelMoby> send it up naked!
[10:09] <number10> thats not bad
[10:10] <number10> whats the dc-dc converter you use?
[10:10] <jcoxon> LiPower from sparkfun
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[10:17] <number10> usefull independent weather http://www.weatherstations.co.uk/aws_map.htm - some not too good but the coastal one at walton is updating
[10:18] <number10> appearst to be more windy there - but you would expect that at the coast http://www.waltonfrintonlifeboat.co.uk/live_weather/live_weather.html
[10:21] <jcoxon> it'll be okay
[10:21] <jcoxon> just need a 1 minute calm bit
[10:21] <jcoxon> and we can launch
[10:21] <jcoxon> once its above the tree/pylon line it'll be okay
[10:25] <jcoxon> time for the last bit of testing
[10:33] <navrac_> its gusty here - with periods of calm inbetween, With a clear enough area I'd risk a 1600 although I'm about 30 miles from the launch site so YMMV
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[10:35] <navrac_> I'm going to search out the last section of my aerial pole - without it I won't be able to track until it gets to ipswich as the aerial isnt clearing the chimney at the moment.
[10:37] <navrac_> weatherwise - this site has live weather - again 30miles but gives live wind etc http://www.framweather.co.uk/current.php
[10:44] <jcoxon> whew
[10:44] <jcoxon> got lock
[10:44] <cuddykid> morning all
[10:44] <jcoxon> that was getting a little worrying
[10:44] <cuddykid> jcoxon: good luck today! Are you at launch site?
[10:44] <jcoxon> nah not yet
[10:44] <jcoxon> will leave home at 11:30
[10:45] <cuddykid> cool :)
[10:45] <jcoxon> just to remind everyone there will be quite a bit of drift for about 1 minute in between the change in modes
[10:45] <jcoxon> it'll settle down though
[10:46] <navrac_> does it drift one way for rtty and another for hell?
[10:46] <jcoxon> yeah
[10:46] <jcoxon> at least in tests
[10:46] <jcoxon> doesn't take in to account temp changes
[10:47] <navrac_> ill run two instances of dl - fdigi then
[10:47] <jcoxon> yeah
[10:50] <jcoxon> cool - both hell and rtty are working
[10:50] <jcoxon> and the upload mechanisms work as well
[10:50] <jcoxon> remember hell needs to be manually inputted
[10:50] <jcoxon> http://habhub.org/files/picoatlas/
[10:54] <Upu> same frequency ?
[10:56] <jcoxon> 434.200
[10:56] <jcoxon> for you Upu
[10:56] <Upu> thx
[10:56] <Upu> didn't have much luck last time but see what conditions are like today
[10:56] <Upu> just ordered my brackets for the rotator
[10:57] <Upu> http://imagebin.org/192291
[10:58] <NickB1> tuned in
[10:58] <jcoxon> NickB1, launch is at 1400
[10:58] <NickB1> ok
[10:59] <jcoxon> Upu, what antenna do you have?
[10:59] <NickB1> will probably only be able to receive it when it gets a little to te south of my location
[10:59] <Upu> still under discussion, I was looking at a 19 el Tonna but it may just be too big so might just settle for a 15 el Diamond which is about 2 meters long
[11:01] <jcoxon> NickB1, okay well that will be later this afternoon
[11:01] <Upu> something 2 meter on the other boom for sat work
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[11:13] <jcoxon> okay i'm heading off
[11:13] <jcoxon> bbl
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[11:13] <NickB1> good luck
[11:14] <fsphil> neat: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/11060
[11:15] <NickB1> very handy
[11:17] <NickB1> using this at work
[11:17] <NickB1> http://be.farnell.com/ideal-tek/st-5/lcr-meter-digital-smart-tweezers/dp/2064744
[11:17] <SpeedEvil> yeah- those look very pocketable. :)
[11:18] <fsphil> oh wow
[11:18] <fsphil> the price!
[11:19] <NickB1> yeah but you get a very good LCR meter with a lot of settings
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[11:32] <WillDuckworth_> anyone know a good way to simulate the gps data of a flight into a flight computer?
[11:32] <SpeedEvil> simply play out a GPS recording into the reciever
[11:33] <WillDuckworth_> yep, sounds doable - any one got a source location i can grab?
[11:34] <SpeedEvil> Good question.
[11:36] <SpeedEvil> http://www.openstreetmap.org/traces
[11:36] <SpeedEvil> has GPS traces
[11:36] <SpeedEvil> but of course, they won't go up
[11:36] <WillDuckworth_> cool. found this from jcoxon which i'll try: http://ukhas.org.uk/launch:170610nova18pegvii:kmlfile
[11:37] <SpeedEvil> http://www.openstreetmap.org/traces/tag/flight too
[11:37] <WillDuckworth_> excellent - cheers
[11:37] <WillDuckworth_> will try and get http://ukhas.org.uk/code:emulator working too
[11:38] <SpeedEvil> Oh - also, I think gpsbabel can replay logs at the right speed
[11:39] <WillDuckworth_> cheers SpeedEvil - will give that a whirl too
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[12:44] <fsphil-ax25> muhaha
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[12:45] <SpeedEvil> fsphil-ax25: this seems like a bad idea.
[12:46] <fsphil-ax25> connected over 1200 baud sound card link - the MOTD took about 3 minutes to load
[12:47] <fsphil-ax25> lol
[12:48] <fsphil-ax25> nice try
[12:48] <fsphil-ax25> actually I should have accepted that, just to see
[12:48] <fsphil-ax25> send it again
[12:48] <fsphil-ax25> not sure I can even accept it -- doubt i have the port forwarding setup properly
[12:50] <fsphil-ax25> lol
[12:50] <fsphil-ax25> how is that even possible
[12:50] <fsphil-ax25> wait
[12:51] <SpeedEvil> It says 2 hours to complete. I suspect that may be misleading
[12:51] <fsphil-ax25> I think it's going over wifi
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[13:15] <fsphil-ax25> was the internet really this slow at one time
[13:16] <RocketBoy> i remember t days when t'internet was 9600 bps
[13:16] <nosebleedKT> is there any place that i can upload an image and stay online permantenly?
[13:16] <nosebleedKT> hi fsphil and RocketBoy
[13:17] <RocketBoy> :-)
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[13:18] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: yes
[13:18] <fsphil-ax25> hiya nosebleedKT
[13:18] <fsphil-ax25> RocketBoy, I'm connected at 1200 baud here ;-)
[13:18] Action: Upu ping floods fsphil-ax25
[13:19] Nick change: G4TNC -> G4TNX
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> When I got email, my ISP reserved the right to charge 15p/k of email
[13:19] <fsphil-ax25> I can't even lookup google's dns
[13:20] <SpeedEvil> My first 'online' experience was 1200/75 - that was not internet though
[13:20] <fsphil-ax25> keeps timing out
[13:20] <SpeedEvil> I think I was at 14400 before I got onto the internet 'really'
[13:21] <RocketBoy> I remember the days of having to dial a demon internet # in london (before 0845/0800) -
[13:22] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, 14k4 was the speed I first used to get on the Net. I remember 300 and 1200/75 BBS though...
[13:22] <RocketBoy> yeah 14k4 - speedy
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> mauve.demon.couk used to be my IP
[13:23] <Upu> ecliptic.demon.co.uk
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[13:24] <fsphil-ax25> 14.4 was my first modem too
[13:24] <fsphil-ax25> can't remember the isp
[13:24] <fsphil-ax25> BT I think
[13:25] <LazyLeopard> I think I was somewhere in Demon's first thousand customers, back when they were using a bank of modems in someone's back room...
[13:25] <fsphil-ax25> funny.demon.co.uk -- until they got too expensive
[13:26] <nosebleedKT> photobucket or flickr ? :P
[13:26] <fsphil-ax25> brb, lunch !
[13:26] <nosebleedKT> damn! answer then eat!
[13:30] Action: LazyLeopard has no experience of photobucket, and the oly folk who seem to get reasonable service from flickr are folks with paid-for Pro accounts.
[13:30] <RocketBoy> i came on board when demon had about 10,000 customers
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[13:32] <Upu> I beat you fsphil
[13:32] <navrac> midnight.demon.co.uk was me - just missed being in the first 1000
[13:32] <Upu> 2002 for funny.demon.co.uk
[13:32] <Upu> 1998 for ecliptic.demon.co.uk
[13:33] <Upu> 2001 for midnight
[13:33] <Laurenceb_> lol
[13:33] <Laurenceb_> raspberry pi bids have gone down
[13:33] <Upu> archive.org is broken
[13:33] <Upu> http://wayback.archive.org/web/20010101000000*/http:%5C/%5C/midnight.demon.co.uk
[13:33] <daveake__> Upu, I hope I'm not breaking copyright or anything, but I just bought a tube of /pink/ fluorescent paint ...
[13:33] <RocketBoy> myra.demon.co.uk
[13:33] <Upu> my choice of colour is open source
[13:33] <daveake__> lol cool
[13:34] <Upu> no archive for that RocketBoy
[13:34] <navrac> really ? I'm sure it was midnight - but it was well before 2000- I changed companies and lost my account in 95
[13:34] <daveake__> I held the different fluorescents in front of a row of green bottles, and pink does show up best
[13:34] <Upu> you many never have put anything on the web space
[13:34] <Upu> navrac as above you may not have used the web space initially
[13:34] <RocketBoy> didn't
[13:35] <LazyLeopard> There were no homepages when I got my Demon account.
[13:35] <Upu> and/or archve.org may not have noticed you
[13:35] <navrac> homepages? - it was just email and usenet really
[13:36] <RocketBoy> and ftp
[13:36] <navrac> oh true
[13:36] <Upu> gopher...
[13:36] <LazyLeopard> Yeah. And gopher. ;)
[13:36] <LazyLeopard> ...and Archie
[13:37] <RocketBoy> oh yeah - forgotten that
[13:37] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[13:37] <RocketBoy> just waiting for the jcoxon to turn up for the launch
[13:37] <navrac> i remember it had a gateway to prestel which is what i mainly used it for
[13:39] <navrac> no it wasnt prestel - it was a 1200/75 system that i cant remember the name of that was used for emails
[13:39] <SpeedEvil> Jan 6 1991 is the first post to usenet I can find
[13:39] <Randomskk> older than me :|
[13:39] <SpeedEvil> But I know I was reading through the read-only usenet gateway before that
[13:40] <RocketBoy> yea - jcoxon is ere
[13:41] <navrac> ah it was called prestel - just not the television stuff
[13:41] <RocketBoy> bbl
[13:41] <navrac> telecom gold
[13:41] <SpeedEvil> navrac - shades ring a bell?
[13:42] <navrac> oh god that takes me back
[13:43] <SpeedEvil> One of the reasons I hesitate in criticising those WoW addicts.
[13:43] Nick change: _Craig -> MrCraig
[13:43] <Laurenceb_> lol
[13:44] <navrac> I remember p,aying colossal caves on my 8080 development system - that woulkd have been 1979 - I spent far too long on that - hardly ever used to leave work
[13:45] <daveake__> You are in a twisty maze of passages, all the same
[13:45] <navrac> plugh - I'm out
[13:46] <navrac> xyzzy
[13:46] <daveake__> beat me to it :)
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[13:46] <navrac> never did actually finish the game - however long i spent on it - i remember the window thru the waterfall and got close but ever won it
[13:47] <navrac> trouble was my dev system didnt save properly so each game had to be started anew
[13:47] <number10> daveake__ I broke one of those telescopic poles - was using it for antenna and I think I over pulled the sections out - so that when it bent while putting it up it cracked a section
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> :/
[13:48] <number10> where did you workin in 79 navrac?
[13:49] <navrac> place called SIRA in chislehurst, kent
[13:49] <LazyLeopard> the version on the mainframe at work had been... tailored somewhat. Somewhere there was "An old IBM 360. The instructions are in Fench."
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[13:52] <daveake__> number10 :(
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[14:15] <jcoxon> filling
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[14:16] <navrac> tuning
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[14:31] <jcoxon> launch issues
[14:31] <jcoxon> will be a delay
[14:32] <LazyLeopard> ho hum Good luck....
[14:33] <NigeyS> what ya broke james? :)
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[14:35] <jgrahamc> I see Atlas on the tracker as well Are there two launches?
[14:35] <NigeyS> i was wondering that too
[14:38] <NigeyS> how are things jgrahamc gaga-2 is in the works ?
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[14:39] <jgrahamc> It's in the works. Going out tomorrow to test the new antenna over a nice long distance (>5km)
[14:40] <NigeyS> oh brill, any idea when you're launching ?
[14:41] <jgrahamc> Will wait for spring
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[14:50] <Dutch-Mill> Hi Y'all whats the status of PicoAtlas6 ?
[14:50] <NigelMoby> a bit of a delay.
[14:51] <LazyLeopard> ...but hopefully not 'til spring ;)
[14:51] <NigelMoby> lol hope not
[14:51] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[14:51] <Dutch-Mill> oke thnx ... going for a standby
[14:51] <NigelMoby> Oki dokie dm
[14:51] <LazyLeopard> Can't find the frequency in the emails. I'm probably staring right past it.
[14:52] <NigelMoby> err....
[14:52] <number10> 434.2
[14:53] <LazyLeopard> Ah. So neither .075 nor .650. That'd explain why Imissd it...
[14:54] <NigelMoby> hopefully it'll be noise free
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[14:55] <LazyLeopard> that'd be nice. ;)
[14:58] <eroomde> food poisoning :(
[14:58] <eroomde> how is the flight?
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[14:59] <number10> delayed
[15:00] <number10> you have food poisoning ed?
[15:01] <NigelMoby> ed, not food poisoning off the free meal that had the glass in it?
[15:03] Action: fsphil-ax25 got a yucky soup today.. nasty taste of it
[15:03] <NigelMoby> Eek
[15:04] <eroomde> number10: yes
[15:04] <eroomde> olives
[15:04] <eroomde> housemate same
[15:04] <eroomde> and all we had in common was a glass of fizz and olives yesterday
[15:04] <eroomde> and don't think fizz can give you squits
[15:05] <number10> not had that with olives - eating out or at home
[15:05] <NigelMoby> olives...
[15:05] <eroomde> we were celebrating me finishing my job and her finishing 50% of her year with a big essay submission
[15:05] <eroomde> happy birthday to us
[15:05] <daveake__> :p
[15:05] <NigelMoby> :( speedy recovery to u
[15:06] <eroomde> so i spent all night sat on the loo listening to the world service and shivering
[15:06] <daveake__> Years ago Mrs Dave's mum and step-dad went on holiday to celebrate retiring ... got food poisoning, he ended up in hospital and died.
[15:06] <NigelMoby> bloody ell
[15:06] <daveake__> I hate getting it
[15:07] <number10> when you say finishing a job I hope you dont mean out of work!
[15:07] <eroomde> correct
[15:07] <eroomde> i am now unemployed
[15:07] <number10> oh, not good - you just moved there
[15:07] <eroomde> oh i have a plan
[15:07] <eroomde> it's deliberate
[15:07] <daveake__> :)
[15:08] <NigelMoby> eds a secret billionaire? ;)
[15:09] <eroomde> that would be nice
[15:09] <daveake__> It's a secret.
[15:09] <NigelMoby> oh aye
[15:09] <daveake__> So secret even Ed doesn't know.
[15:09] <NigelMoby> lol
[15:10] <fsphil-ax25> busking is not a plan
[15:10] <daveake__> "Have Helium Will Travel"
[15:10] <NigelMoby> lol
[15:12] <fsphil-ax25> sssh
[15:12] <NigelMoby> didn't know u could get food poisoning from olives though, almost as weird as finding out u can get ecoli from beansprouts
[15:13] <eroomde> yeah i didn't know either
[15:13] <eroomde> i thought oil kept pretty well
[15:13] <eroomde> but we were both ill and it's the only mutual thing we've eaten
[15:13] <NigelMoby> weird :(
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[15:14] <NigelMoby> I think most people just associate food poisoning with meat and fish.
[15:15] <Upu> jcoxon do you want me to clear the tracker ?
[15:15] <LazyLeopard> Most likely a cross-contamination from someone not cleaning things properly between one thing and the next...
[15:16] <eroomde> LazyLeopard: quite possible yep
[15:16] <jcoxon> ummm
[15:16] <eroomde> will give the fridge a good scrub down tomorrow
[15:16] <jcoxon> might have been caught in a tree
[15:16] <jcoxon> recovered
[15:16] <eroomde> sorry for hijacking
[15:16] <eroomde> lol jcoxon
[15:16] <NigelMoby> a tree? lol Wth
[15:17] <jcoxon> battery change
[15:18] <NigelMoby> :)
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[15:22] <jcoxon> can some clear the tracker
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[15:23] <fsphil-ax25> there we go, 9600 baud. I'm in the modern age now
[15:23] <number10> Upu said he could do it
[15:23] <Upu> done
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[15:36] <jcoxon> up
[15:38] <NigelMoby> Yey
[15:40] <fsphil-ax25> sweet!
[15:40] <LazyLeopard> Approximate dial frequency?
[15:42] <jcoxon> 434.200
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[15:42] <LazyLeopard> Nowt there yet...
[15:42] <jcoxon> though its quite quiet
[15:42] <jcoxon> a bit worrying
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[15:45] <LazyLeopard> Steady tone with dial at 434.203.7 but doesn't sound like balloon...
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[15:48] <jcoxon> not good
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[15:52] <Laurenceb_> is it lunching?
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[15:54] <M0PDA> nothing heard here 6 miles north of launch site...?
[15:54] <Laurenceb_> its launched?
[15:54] <Laurenceb_> oops
[15:55] <number10> or here
[15:55] <jcoxon> im gettting it
[15:55] <jcoxon> but its weak
[15:55] <jcoxon> suspect damage
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[15:55] <jcoxon> which is a big shame
[15:56] <number10> did yu have to recover after first attempt?
[15:56] <jcoxon> yes
[15:58] <navrac> how long does it take to do the slow hell - I've got a carrier on 434.203.5 but havent seen it switch to rtty yet
[15:58] <Dutch-Mill> james what is the tx power setting for the RFM22 ?
[15:58] <Laurenceb_> not 20dBm
[15:58] <Laurenceb_> of course not
[16:00] Action: LazyLeopard hasn't seen anything other than noise and blankness using Hell either...
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[16:02] <Laurenceb_> it seems to have been going down
[16:02] <Laurenceb_> are you sure it didnt crash a few fields away?
[16:02] <f5apq> test
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[16:02] <Laurenceb_> test failed
[16:02] <nosebleedKT> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/404281_2472364893294_1377549819_2143026_1344104903_n.jpg
[16:03] <nosebleedKT> left: ex-primi minister, right: current prime minister
[16:03] <Laurenceb_> lol
[16:03] <nosebleedKT> they where happy to put us in euro
[16:04] <nosebleedKT> and everything was setup :P
[16:05] <nosebleedKT> at the right, is a MIT guy economologist and phycisian. Was ex-prime ministers advisor. Now he is the prime minister :P
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[16:06] <fsphil-ax25> eek
[16:06] <f6agv> sorry James all is ready here but we don't know what ?
[16:07] <jcoxon> 3i've lost it
[16:07] <jcoxon> f6agv, it has failed
[16:07] <navrac> found a suitable weak carrier - but it then did morse...
[16:08] <jcoxon> initil launch got caught in a tree
[16:08] <fsphil-ax25> slow hell sounds a bit like morse
[16:08] <jcoxon> we got it down
[16:08] <navrac> no this was morse morse sadly
[16:08] <jcoxon> new balloon but after launch lost signal
[16:08] <fsphil-ax25> morse on 70cm?
[16:08] <fsphil-ax25> odd
[16:11] <SpeedEvil> jcoxon: :/
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[16:11] <costyn_> damn shame :(
[16:12] <M0PDA> Thanks James...maybe next time...! 73
[16:12] <Dutch-Mill> f6agv : slute Alan can you help me to config SondeMonitor the comming week?
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[16:16] <f6agv> we listen signal on 434.178 MHz we tring to decode RTTY !
[16:16] <number10> its a shame jcoxon after lots of effort
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[16:21] <jcoxon> hey
[16:22] <futurity> hi James. how did the launch go?
[16:22] <jcoxon> badly
[16:22] <jcoxon> first launch got caught in a sort of wind vortex and blew in to a tree
[16:22] <futurity> oh dear, i didn't see much on the map. did it burst on the ground?
[16:22] <jcoxon> took an hour to get it down
[16:23] <jcoxon> then we got a new balloon and launched again
[16:23] <futurity> oh dear, sorry to hear that
[16:23] <jcoxon> but the signal faded
[16:23] <jcoxon> i suspect damage from the first failed launch
[16:23] <futurity> could be
[16:23] <futurity> if it was a bad connection, you would have though a signal one minute and nothing the next
[16:23] <futurity> poor signal due to broken antenna?
[16:23] <jcoxon> true
[16:23] <jcoxon> could be
[16:24] <jcoxon> it was okay at launch
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[16:24] <futurity> i guess on the way up a small gust of wind may have finished a connection off perhaps?
[16:25] <futurity> Did the last launch reach Belgium?
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[16:25] <jcoxon> yeah
[16:25] <futurity> fantastic, and on a single foil balloon?
[16:25] <jcoxon> yeah
[16:26] <jcoxon> shame about this one
[16:26] <futurity> well it happens
[16:26] <futurity> very frustrating though
[16:26] <jcoxon> right better go and find some warmth
[16:26] <jcoxon> bbl
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[16:39] <NigelMoby> hmm
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[16:41] <f6agv> no signal on 434.178 MHz ? stop the activitys, good night all
[16:42] <number10> goodnigh f6agv
[16:42] <SpeedEvil> Night
[16:42] <f6agv> one more time, again with James no problem !
[16:43] <number10> it got damaged this time f6agv
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[16:46] <NigelMoby> pico flights = pain in the butt
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[16:58] <jcoxon> nope, no signal
[16:58] <navrac> nothing here either - I've been scanning but nothing now
[16:59] <jcoxon> it must have died
[16:59] <jcoxon> it did get blown through 2 trees
[16:59] <jcoxon> and then the rescue attempt
[16:59] <jcoxon> damn
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[16:59] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, anything?
[17:00] <RocketBoy> na cant here a thing at the mo
[17:00] <jcoxon> its gone
[17:00] <RocketBoy> :-(
[17:01] <jcoxon> very frustrating
[17:01] <RocketBoy> I thoight I could hrear it a bit hen I was passing ipswich
[17:01] <jcoxon> thanks everyone for listening
[17:01] <RocketBoy> but then it just faded out
[17:01] <jcoxon> i wonder if its antenna or antenna connection damage
[17:04] <RocketBoy> could be - lets face it - it had a rough time
[17:04] <RocketBoy> just gona swing the yagi around again
[17:04] <jcoxon> yeh
[17:04] <navrac> bad luckjust got two chars on slowhell
[17:05] <jcoxon> oh well
[17:05] <navrac> sorry - two different sentances - just going to swing the beam
[17:05] <RocketBoy> nuffin - goin ome
[17:05] <RocketBoy> bbs
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[17:05] <fsphil> poop
[17:06] <WillDuckworth_> unlucky jcoxon :(
[17:10] <WillDuckworth_> anyone know what the deal is with the launch window launch date/time is on the genpayload page - is it to make it automatically appear in the tracker?
[17:10] <jcoxon> no
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[17:10] <jcoxon> its won't accept data outside the window i think
[17:10] <navrac> very very weak, but im pretty sure its there - got a 625, on slowhell just now
[17:10] <WillDuckworth_> for testing i guess?
[17:11] <jcoxon> navrac interesting
[17:12] <navrac> nothing on rtty - but it the signal is displaying the drift, stabalize you mentioned
[17:12] <jcoxon> freq?
[17:12] <fsphil> oooh
[17:12] <fsphil> it's alive?
[17:12] <fsphil> ish
[17:12] <navrac> 434.1988
[17:13] <navrac> but i wouldnt trust the display on this receiver - I think its aout
[17:15] <navrac> its coming from the right direction - ish about 140 degerees, but itsincredibly week
[17:16] <jcoxon> nothing on isle of sheppey
[17:17] <navrac> its barely above the noise floor now
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[17:23] <Upu> http://imagebin.org/192324
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[17:23] <Upu> whats the RTTY shift ?
[17:23] <jcoxon> 500
[17:23] <Upu> this must be local
[17:25] <Upu> hmm
[17:25] <navrac> the one i had seemed to go rtty at a bit less then 500
[17:25] <Upu> I might just be seeing things in the noise
[17:25] <Upu> 434.199.74 something there
[17:26] <navrac> it gets a bit like that - an hour of trying to pick things out you see individual numbers now and then
[17:27] <jcoxon> hehe
[17:27] <jcoxon> i'm an expert at that
[17:28] <navrac> but probably due to the way the brain can see paterns in noise. The best I've seen was 3 numbers and a comma and an identical pattern underneath all at the right slope -
[17:28] <navrac> Im following the signal but its too weak to see anything now
[17:28] <jcoxon> well thats where hell helps
[17:29] <jcoxon> reduced filter size?
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[17:29] <Upu> where do I do that ?
[17:29] <jcoxon> in config
[17:29] <jcoxon> for feld-hell
[17:29] <navrac> if it was any smaller i'd have to get qa much bigger screen
[17:29] <jcoxon> there is a slider
[17:30] <navrac> its on 10 at the minute cant go any lower
[17:31] <Upu> I'm in normal Dl-fldigi with slow held on
[17:31] <Upu> I can't see that slider
[17:31] <jcoxon> configure -> modems> feld-hell
[17:31] <navrac> right click on the word slowhell in the bottom window
[17:32] <Upu> got it
[17:32] <Upu> ok I'll walk the dog and see if anything appears
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[17:45] Nick change: ben_apex -> benoxley
[17:46] <number10> thats confused me
[17:47] <Upu> http://imagebin.org/192328
[17:47] <Upu> just noise
[17:48] <Upu> somethings there
[17:48] <Upu> but not sure if you're payload
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[17:52] <NigeyS> gremlins
[17:52] Nick change: benoxley_ -> benoxley
[17:59] <fsphil-laptop> antenna gremlins
[17:59] <jcoxon> i blame trees
[18:00] <jcoxon> though we have a new technique to get payloads out of trees
[18:00] <fsphil-laptop> they've a lot to answer for
[18:08] <number10> what is the technique jcoxon?
[18:08] <jcoxon> we used piping as the pole
[18:08] <jcoxon> it was quite flexible so we could wiggle it around various branches
[18:08] <number10> how high
[18:09] <jcoxon> about 20m
[18:10] <number10> thats pretty good going!
[18:10] <daveake__> My 10m now feels rather pathetic :(
[18:10] <number10> and my one is now 8m
[18:11] <daveake__> You need something, erm, firmer number10. Try http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/30-FOOT-9m-STEEL-TELESCOPIC-PUSH-UP-MAST-HEAVY-DUTY-/180786192123?pt=UK_ConsumerElectronics_SpecialistRadioEquipment_SM&hash=item2a17b25efb#ht_2266wt_902
[18:11] <daveake__> then the flexi one can be kept for the trees
[18:12] <jcoxon> yeah the flexi bit helped
[18:12] <number10> I'll take a look and see how the bank balance is
[18:13] <number10> I was probably mis-using the flexi pole as an antenna rod
[18:14] <daveake__> I was thinking of getting one of those, plus I saw a pole support in B&Q today ... basically a steel screw that screws into the ground till it's flush, and has a hole in the top for a pole
[18:15] <daveake__> I don't really want (or need) a permanent mast and aerial attached to the house
[18:15] <number10> same here - too old for ladders
[18:17] <daveake__> http://www.spyrabase.co.uk/index.php?p=ecom&sw=products&department=WHIRLWIND+ANCHOR+ROTARY+LINE+AND+PARASOL+GROUND+ANCHOR#
[18:19] <number10> may need some guy ropes on the pole
[18:19] <daveake__> They do variations on that general idea
[18:19] <daveake__> Yes
[18:20] <number10> there is a lighter fibreglass one taller but is £300 - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50FT-HEAVY-DUTY-FIBREGLASS-GRP-TELESCOPIC-MAST-/350494073332?pt=UK_ConsumerElectronics_SpecialistRadioEquipment_SM&hash=item519b1321f4
[18:21] <NickB1> having a small programming problem (floats)
[18:22] <jcoxon> NickB1, what platform?
[18:22] <NickB1> arduino
[18:22] <jcoxon> whats teh issue?
[18:22] <daveake__> Formatting?
[18:23] <NickB1> I'm extracting the lattitude and longtitude string out of the gps string
[18:23] <jcoxon> NickB1, seen tinyGPS library?
[18:23] <jcoxon> its quite useful
[18:24] <NickB1> then I use atof to convert these to floats
[18:24] <NickB1> these floats are converted into two strings (number before and after decimal point)
[18:25] <NickB1> but the last number of the string after the decimal point sometimes varies a bit from the original string
[18:26] <daveake__> float or double?
[18:26] <NickB1> double
[18:26] <jcoxon> they are the same on the arduino
[18:26] <NickB1> indeed
[18:26] <daveake__> ok
[18:26] <jcoxon> NickB1, yeah they'll be rounding issues with all these converison
[18:26] <jcoxon> s
[18:27] <NickB1> oh made a mistake there
[18:27] <NickB1> its string -> float -> integer
[18:27] <jcoxon> why not do string -> int
[18:27] <jcoxon> skip the float bit
[18:28] <jcoxon> split the string by the decimal point
[18:28] <NickB1> I did that using atoi
[18:29] <NickB1> but it gave me weird numbers
[18:30] <NickB1> i think it has something to do with zero-delimited
[18:30] <NickB1> but i dont fully understand that :)
[18:31] <jcoxon> what version of arduino are you using?
[18:31] <NickB1> 0023
[18:31] <jcoxon> oh right
[18:32] <jcoxon> i'd actually split it into 2 strings
[18:32] <jcoxon> then atoi
[18:32] <jcoxon> right food
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[18:43] <cuddykid> does anyone know what gps module W0OTM is using with ardupilot?
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[18:47] <fsphil-laptop> SAIDias ^^
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[18:52] <cuddykid> fsphil-laptop: ?
[18:52] <cuddykid> oh I see :P
[18:52] <cuddykid> yeah ping SAIDias :)
[18:53] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[18:53] <fsphil-laptop> he's in disguise
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[19:02] <cuddykid> yup haha
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[22:07] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-beta-board-10-limited-series-10-/180786734741?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2a17baa695
[22:07] <SpeedEvil> Quick!
[22:10] <daveake__> bargain
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[22:23] <joph> SpeedEvil, i hope no one overbids my 930pounds here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-beta-board-09-limited-series-10-/180786751081
[22:23] <joph> ;)
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> I hate the protected listings thing
[22:24] <BrainDamage> you want them exposed to public shame?
[22:27] Action: Metaleer scratches chin.
[22:27] <Metaleer> Some familiar faces here.
[22:27] <joph> i hope they'll sell soon the device for 35$ ;)
[22:28] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[22:28] <fsphil-laptop> aah, but those won't have the fancy red wire
[22:28] <SpeedEvil> I want to use them for node controllers.
[22:29] <SpeedEvil> Possibly over wifi
[22:29] <SpeedEvil> Stuff like CH and stuff
[22:31] <Laurenceb_> *Stuff like CP and stuff
[22:31] <Laurenceb_> FTFY
[22:34] <SpeedEvil> Also robots
[22:35] <SpeedEvil> stuff like leetle webcam, wifi dongle, and you're almost there
[22:46] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-gps-tracker-mini-phone-smallest-gsm-for-elder-kid-black-113137
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[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> hello everyone
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