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[07:37] <nosebleedkt_> hi bleeds
[07:37] <nosebleedkt_> :)
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[08:27] <daveake> Impressive - http://scaleofuniverse.com/
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[10:01] <SamSilver> daveake: wow!!
[10:02] <fsphil> will this explode my brain?
[10:03] <fsphil> ah I've seen this. brain intact :)
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[10:06] <SamSilver> hmmmm maybe dave's head exploded
[10:09] <fsphil> a bit like the Total Perspective Vortex from H2G2
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[10:16] <nosebleedkt_> yo
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[10:18] <daveake> No chance of my brain exploding fsphil; it'd never reach critical mass
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[10:55] <WillDuckworth> anyone else having issues with the predictor?
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[11:08] <UpuWork> hey Will whats up with it ?
[11:10] <NigelMoby> is it doing funky right angles again?
[11:11] <fsphil> might need the cache cleared
[11:11] <fsphil> cleared
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[11:34] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: is the launch still on for 7th?
[11:34] <WillDuckworth> just black screen, no drop down sites and no google maps - using firefox on ubuntu
[11:35] <WillDuckworth> hey cuddykid - yeah - thinking about it still, jcoxon is launching a pico
[11:35] <cuddykid> getting problems too with predictor
[11:35] <cuddykid> awesome :D
[11:35] <cuddykid> actually - no, predictor has finally loaded, took a while though
[11:35] <cuddykid> I'm around in worcs until 15th so should be able to listen in :)
[11:37] <WillDuckworth> excellent. needing final testing today/tomorrow/fri and depending on prediction i'll go for it
[11:38] <cuddykid> fantastic!
[11:38] <cuddykid> any major new additions?
[11:41] <WillDuckworth> more basic and lightweight, but including an HD camera.
[11:41] <WillDuckworth> how's the aeroplane?
[11:42] <cuddykid> good stuff - HD footage will be good
[11:43] <cuddykid> coming along alright thanks, airframe now resembles something that might fly!
[11:43] <cuddykid> but still a long way off yet
[11:43] <cuddykid> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjxDFm3K
[11:43] <WillDuckworth> UpuWork - the predictor is complaining about 'jQuery' is undefined
[11:44] <UpuWork> whats your criteria
[11:44] <UpuWork> lat/long
[11:45] <UpuWork> date time
[11:45] <UpuWork> ascent burst etc
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[11:51] <WillDuckworth> UpuWork: 52.029, -2.44, 7th Jan, 8am. 5m/s 28K alt
[11:51] <WillDuckworth> cheers
[11:52] <NickB1> does anyone know if randomsolutions is on holiday?
[11:53] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: just ran prediction from my launch site with standard values for variables - landing in France/Belgium area!
[11:53] <Laurenceb> ask rocketboy :P
[11:53] <cuddykid> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=9a24e6854879071ec8cc11383dd463cc75ac556d
[11:58] <daveake_> Belgium is popular
[11:59] <cuddykid> I would certainly consider doing a launch that lands in belgium/france when I have some time to chase e.g. Summer!
[12:00] <cuddykid> would make a great chase experience
[12:02] <daveake_> Mine was. I was planning for a longer flight so I could catch up, but over-filled.
[12:05] <daveake_> Ah good, postie has delivered one of RocketBoy's finest :)
[12:08] <NickB1> daveake_ , I contacted randomsolutions for delivery cost a few days ago but didnt get an answer
[12:08] <NickB1> normal?
[12:08] <daveake_> He's been hereabouts recent;y. I know he's been very busy getting orders out.
[12:09] Nick change: daveake_ -> daveake
[12:10] <WillDuckworth> UpuWork - it was our webproxy at work being awkward.... i'll get it added to the whitelist!
[12:11] <NickB1> ok ,have to be a bit more patient then
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[12:18] <Laurenceb> http://pewa.panasonic.com/components/built-in-sensors/infrared-array-sensors/grid-eye/
[12:21] <SpeedEvil> neat
[12:23] Action: SpeedEvil looks for a 'free sample' link.
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> This product is restricted under Japans Foreign Exchange and Foreign Trade Law. An export permit from the Japanese government is required when you export or take this product outside Japan. (As of Apr.2011)
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> Oh
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> his product is restricted under Japans laws and regulations relating to security export control (Foreign Exchange and Foreign Trade Law). We have obtained an export permit from the Japanese government to sell or provide this product to your company, subject to the following: This product may not be used for any purpose other than those specified. This product may be subject to further export restrictions under the laws and regulations
[12:27] <SpeedEvil> Oh yuk.
[12:27] <SpeedEvil> You can't sell it.
[12:32] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: http://science.slashdot.org/story/12/01/03/239251/medical-imaging-with-a-hacked-lcd-projector
[12:33] <Laurenceb> seen it thanks
[12:34] <Laurenceb> lol theres a hurd channel on here
[12:35] Action: SpeedEvil ponders comments about mudkipz support.
[12:37] <SpeedEvil> And furthering the biotechnology theme - at least I remembered I hadn't put the yeast in the bread _before_ the bake cycle this time.
[12:37] <daveake> :)
[12:37] <daveake> BTDT
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> Breadmakers are great, but they do lead to silly oopses.
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> I've managed to omit yeast quite often, and once water.
[12:38] <daveake> We use one because I'm on a low-salt diet, so we use potassium salt instead of sodium
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> Also - running a cycle with a teaspoon inside ruins the coating.
[12:38] <daveake> !!
[12:39] <daveake> OK, you're worse than me :)
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> I wish 'proper' ones were cheaper.
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> That is - with the paddle onthe _top_
[12:39] <daveake> Are those better then? Quite happy with our Panasonic
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> Because the stock pans do not last very long in daily use
[12:40] <SpeedEvil> how many loaves have you done on it?
[12:40] <SpeedEvil> IME, they tend to fail at 100-200 cycles.
[12:40] <daveake> About 2-3 a week for 3-4 years
[12:40] <SpeedEvil> a bit more if you pack round the bearing with marg before putting the paddle on
[12:45] <gonzo_> have a panasonic too, very happy with.
[12:46] <gonzo_> something about waking to the smell of baked bread
[12:46] <SpeedEvil> The other issue is you can't get pans after 3 years or so
[12:46] <gonzo_> (and that wait whilst it cools enough to eat)
[12:46] <navrac> my panasonic died after about 200 loaves, don't think it heats correctly anymore
[12:47] <gonzo_> hmm, that makes the machine/loaf start to cost!
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[12:53] <navrac> i wonder if it got thrown out or is in a cupboard - might be worth giving it another go... I just fancy some homemade bread
[12:54] <navrac> biab
[12:59] <gonzo_> poss fixable
[12:59] <gonzo_> interesting info on the pans, may have to get one and hope the rest still works when I need it
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[14:19] <Zuph> Admission: I have zero knowledge of fluid dynamics. Has anyone tried measuring helium going into a balloon with a simple orifice flowmeter, or am I missing something key?
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[14:21] <edmoore> Zuph: i posted about this on your blog
[14:21] <edmoore> some time again
[14:21] <Zuph> Ah, I remember the post, but not its content.
[14:22] <Dan-K2VOL> just walked in, is that the caltech paper you're referring to edmoore?
[14:22] <Zuph> Volume measurement.
[14:23] <Dan-K2VOL> hmm
[14:23] <Dan-K2VOL> what method?
[14:24] <Zuph> Simple orifice/venturi flowmeter.
[14:33] <Zuph> This comes up as I was reading an old email from Cliff with some links and anecdotes.
[14:33] <Dan-K2VOL> well with our current beat-up balloon, we can try some of the more destructive suggestions
[14:34] <Dan-K2VOL> such as a swimming pool of water
[14:35] <Zuph> heh
[14:37] <Zuph> edmoore: If I re-read your comment correctly, the venturi/orifice wouldn't work for the same reason the pitot doesn't (unequal velocity/pressure across the cross-section of the pipe). But it would work if you can achieve choked flow (I think maybe?).
[14:38] <edmoore> i think you'd basically have to calibrate the poo out of it
[14:39] <Laurenceb> http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/1265
[14:39] <Zuph> edmoore: The orifice, or a choked flow orifice?
[14:40] <edmoore> i guess chocked flow could work better
[14:40] <edmoore> but again ithink you'd have to calibrateit
[14:40] <Dan-K2VOL> and we'd need a constant pressure source more stable than we have I think
[14:40] <edmoore> hot wire might be the best way
[14:41] <Laurenceb> try a grain of wheat lamp off rapid
[14:41] <Laurenceb> i got one working nicely with opamps
[14:43] <Dan-K2VOL> nice laurenceb
[14:43] <Laurenceb> cracking the bulb off is hard
[14:43] <Zuph> Dan-K2VOL: If the flow is choked, as long as you can maintain a minimum pressure differential across the orifice, then it shouldn't matter, as long as you can measure it.
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[14:46] <edmoore> i would consider the hot wire sensor + cal. I think you probably can't avoid calibration unless you only want an order of mag estimate
[14:46] <edmoore> and if you do have cal, then hot wire is the way to do it
[14:46] <edmoore> you could cal with a pitot too
[14:46] <edmoore> just sample the flow across a diameter and fit a parabola. probably good enough
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[14:47] <edmoore> at a bunch of different flow rates
[14:47] <edmoore> hmm actually
[14:47] <Zuph> yeah
[14:47] <edmoore> oh i don't know
[14:47] <edmoore> i'm at work, can't think this through properly now
[14:47] <Dan-K2VOL> heh
[14:47] <Dan-K2VOL> no prob
[14:48] <edmoore> yesterday i sat down with some blank sheets of paper, a mechanical pencil, and a textbook on control theory
[14:48] <Dan-K2VOL> zuph I think we were on the right track with the stack of soda straws for laminar flow too
[14:48] <edmoore> not a computer anywehere near
[14:48] <edmoore> and i just worked through the first chapter, deriving everything for myself as it was presented in the book
[14:48] <edmoore> far and away the best learning i've done in about 4 years
[14:48] <Zuph> heh
[14:48] <edmoore> makes me realise how much time i waste on the net
[14:49] <Laurenceb> http://snowcap.fi/blog/
[14:50] <edmoore> i had a realisation that the next few years of my life will be made much easier if i really try and get control theory, both intuitively and mathematically
[14:50] <edmoore> i don't know what brought the above on, sorry
[14:50] <edmoore> oh yes i do
[14:50] <edmoore> yes
[14:51] <Zuph> I took a lot of courses on control theory, all taught by curmudgeons. Sort of soured my taste for it :-p
[14:51] <edmoore> it's trying to think conceptually while at a computer
[14:51] <edmoore> it's like impossible
[14:51] <edmoore> you just need lots of blank paper and a pencil, or an enormous whiteboard
[14:51] <edmoore> and no distractions
[14:51] <Zuph> Fuzzy Control was one of the most interesting courses I had the opportunity to take, though.
[14:51] <edmoore> i had vinyl playing too. just to complete the ludditism
[14:52] <edmoore> control is wonderful
[14:52] <Zuph> heh
[14:52] <edmoore> but i've forgotten it
[14:52] <Dan-K2VOL> i agree edmoore, the computer seems to feel like handcuffs when trying to think concepts through
[14:52] <edmoore> i remember just about flirting with getting insight into my master's modules on robust multivariable control
[14:52] <edmoore> but never quite got there
[14:52] <edmoore> and in the intervening year, all gone
[14:53] <edmoore> i also think doing novel control stuff really relies on having very good linear algebra
[14:53] <daveake> edmoore Yeah, I have an A3 pad and some coloured eraseable pens for when I need to think :)
[14:53] <edmoore> which i need to get better at too
[14:53] <edmoore> daveake: yeah
[14:53] <edmoore> i think i've just got too reliant
[14:53] <edmoore> wrong age really
[14:53] <edmoore> had computers integral from about 13 onwards at school
[14:54] <edmoore> need to decouple myself from them
[14:54] <daveake> 17 here, but the closest computer was a bus ride away, and Al Gore hadn't invented the internet yet :)
[14:55] <edmoore> :)
[14:55] <edmoore> it's the net actually that's the problem
[14:55] <edmoore> not the computer per se
[14:56] <edmoore> destroyed my ability to focus for extended periods
[14:57] <edmoore> i saw a documentary on the Xerox PARC meeting room
[14:57] <edmoore> it was floor to ceiling whiteboards on all the walls
[14:57] <edmoore> and very large bean bags in the middleof the room
[14:57] <edmoore> looked perfect
[14:58] <number10> /i used to work for Xerox - was some good stuff that came out of parc in late 70s early 80s -
[14:58] <edmoore> oh wow
[14:58] <Zuph> I've seen some pictures out of Bell Labs that looked similar.
[14:58] <number10> never worked at parc though - but got to play with the kit
[14:58] <edmoore> i think my office will have a similar room
[14:58] <edmoore> i might not inherit the facial hair though
[15:00] <number10> surely you have to grow some as you tock your HAM exams
[15:00] <number10> took
[15:01] <Zuph> As a result of becoming a ham, I've become inundated in junk mail from the American Association of Retired Persons.
[15:03] <Laurenceb> lmao
[15:10] <gonzo_> the UK RSGB mag has adverts for funeral plans and stair lifts as standard!
[15:14] <Laurenceb> haha
[15:26] <SamSilver_> http://vimeo.com/33713231 a swarm of quadcopters building a 6M tower
[15:26] <SamSilver_> Laurenceb:
[15:26] <SamSilver_> ^^^
[15:32] <cuddykid> that is very cool
[15:32] <Laurenceb> its like a giant wasps nest
[15:36] <staylo> won't be impressed until they can train them to take out individual bricks from the middle without toppling it
[15:36] <SamSilver_> looks like the guy in the begining was drawing the outline with a boom
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[15:46] <Dan-K2VOL1> I'd like to see the swarm carrying up little epoxy syringes and 3D printing it
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[15:54] <Zuph> I dunno, Dan-K2VOL1. I've always had sort of a visceral opposition to robots with syringes (http://bit.ly/xIEy89).
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[16:14] <daveake> Zuph Demon Seed?
[16:15] <Zuph> Star Wars
[16:17] <edmoore> daveake: am meeting david robertson this evening at the pub
[16:17] <edmoore> will take my mag mount along for him to borrow too
[16:20] <daveake> cool
[16:21] <daveake> Hopefully I'll be launching on Sun 29th ... you're both welcome :)
[16:23] <edmoore> yeah i might pop along for that
[16:23] <cuddykid> hmm, I need some sort of material to wrap around the nose and body of my glider - coroplast etc is going to be far too expensive
[16:23] <edmoore> would be good to come and say hello
[16:23] <edmoore> cuddykid: thin ABS?
[16:24] <cuddykid> edmoore: quite possibly yeah, would it bend into approx 5cm radius?
[16:24] <edmoore> yeah no problem
[16:25] <edmoore> but the answer is entirely a function of thickness
[16:25] <cuddykid> yeo
[16:25] <cuddykid> *yep
[16:25] <cuddykid> would have to be very thin
[16:26] <cuddykid> not too bad - £14 for 1mm ~ 1m x 0.6m
[16:29] <edmoore> ebay can be good too
[16:29] <edmoore> for plastic stock material
[16:29] <SpeedEvil> Also www.cabp.co.uk for big bits.
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> My greenhouse just got several panes blown out.
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> So I/m increasing my order to them.
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[16:31] <SpeedEvil> For example - 2mm*2.4*1.2 polycarbonate ~55 quid
[16:31] <edmoore> not bad
[16:32] <edmoore> i remember ringing round greenhouse and conservatory firms when i was 15
[16:32] <SpeedEvil> I decided to take the nuclear option to waterproofing the bottom of my bathroom.
[16:32] <edmoore> trying to see if they had any offcuts of polycarbonate
[16:32] <edmoore> to feed my robot wars hobby
[16:32] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:32] <edmoore> which was not a cheap hobby whehn you're 15
[16:32] <SpeedEvil> No.
[16:32] <cuddykid> lol edmoore
[16:33] <cuddykid> I used to love robot wars :P
[16:33] <edmoore> except i always wanted 8-12mm, which was thicker than they usually had
[16:33] <SpeedEvil> edmoore: solvent-weld!
[16:33] Action: SpeedEvil needs some of that too.
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[16:35] <SpeedEvil> Oh - and http://www.theplasticshop.co.uk
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> they do 25mm thick sheets of PC
[16:37] Action: SparxEtch is trying to work out the lightest useful payload possible.
[16:37] <SpeedEvil> SparxEtch: Depends on the bottom end.
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> I stull want to try (but won't) a simple beacon.
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> With a backwards GPS-kile array of antennas on the bootm
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> like
[16:39] <SparxEtch> Well, I found a while ago, a GPS and GPRS module with a Python interpreter
[16:39] <SpeedEvil> That's quite heavy IIRC
[16:39] <SpeedEvil> and large
[16:41] <SparxEtch> 1.25x1.25x0.25" is what it details.
[16:41] <edmoore> SparxEtch: the tellit ones?
[16:41] <edmoore> we used one of those on our first ever flight computer
[16:41] <edmoore> and infact i think jgc uses them
[16:42] <daveake> Progress .... http://i.imgur.com/FbYyd.jpg
[16:42] <SparxEtch> Ahhh!
[16:42] <SparxEtch> That's the ones
[16:42] <cuddykid> right - just got off live chat with theplasticshop - CS rep is going to speak to her managers and see what they can do
[16:43] <cuddykid> going to email me back tomorrow - hopefully
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> cuddykid: What for?
[16:43] <cuddykid> SpeedEvil: correx
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> ah
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> I'm pndering an order for that
[16:43] <cuddykid> see if they have any scraps etc they could send
[16:44] <cuddykid> I only need a small amount
[16:44] <SpeedEvil> I'm pondering a biggish order for that too.
[16:44] <SpeedEvil> For a heat exchanger
[16:44] <cuddykid> ahh right
[16:44] <cuddykid> it's expensive stuff
[16:45] <SpeedEvil> It's not that bad.
[16:45] <SpeedEvil> It's half the price of cheap 4mm greenhouse twinwall
[16:45] <cuddykid> problem is most only sell it in huge pieces
[16:45] <SpeedEvil> 55 quid for 14m^2
[16:46] <SpeedEvil> ah
[16:46] <SpeedEvil> Oooh.
[16:46] Action: SpeedEvil wonders if correx will laser-cut.
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[17:03] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[17:07] <Lunar_Lander> hi nosebleedKT
[17:07] <nosebleedKT> yoooooooz
[17:07] <nosebleedKT> brb
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[17:25] <Lunar_Lander> "[11:20] <daveake> My first ever program was on punch tape. It got eaten by a dog. "
[17:25] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL
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[17:30] <daveake> :D
[17:30] <daveake> It was homework ... the teacher claimed his dog chewed it up so he couldn't mark it :(
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[17:32] <number10> ultimate HAB bling http://www.rapidonline.com/Electronic-Components/1-8mm-Pink-LED-High-Power-750mcd-55-1656
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[17:34] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[17:34] <Lunar_Lander> that doesn't sound good daveake
[17:34] <daveake> Pink? Upu will love it
[17:35] <daveake> Lunar_Lander I'm sure it was just a short program, no problem.
[17:35] <daveake> Much less of a problem than tripping over and sending a box of punch cards flying ....
[17:37] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[17:43] <Lunar_Lander> was he from Wales?
[17:43] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:48] <cuddykid> does anyone know the technical term for the string/line that connects servo to rudder
[17:48] <cuddykid> ?
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[17:51] <Lunar_Lander> rodding maybe
[17:52] <SpeedEvil> control cable
[17:53] <cuddykid> cheers :)
[17:55] <cuddykid> I'm guessing nylon cord would be suitable as control cable
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[18:36] <fsphil> hah, we where just talking about 6502's: http://hackaday.com/2012/01/04/backplane-and-mainboard-for-a-6502-computer/
[18:58] <cuddykid> :S
[18:58] <cuddykid> *:D
[18:58] <cuddykid> * :D
[18:58] <cuddykid> I'll get there in the end!..
[19:04] <fsphil> you almost had an animation
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[19:10] Action: SpeedEvil found his zx81 motherboard today.
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[19:18] Action: SpeedEvil wonders about a ZX81 payload.
[19:19] <Upu> that would get you on hackaday
[19:19] <Hiena> SpeedEvil: i would donate one, if you promise to send it to the stratosphere.
[19:20] <SpeedEvil> I have one I found in the cupboard.
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[19:34] <cuddykid> !message SamSilver_ thanks
[19:34] <cuddykid> don't think that worked.. oops
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[19:37] <fsphil> not unless you wanted to print it in channel :)
[19:39] <cuddykid> oh jeez now I'm spamming the room!
[19:39] <cuddykid> right hopefully this will work
[19:42] <Hiena> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=461_1325597084
[19:42] <Hiena> Well, the wheelbarrow puzzled me for a while...
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[19:59] <Laurenceb__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheatstone_bridge#Significance
[19:59] <Laurenceb__> lmao
[20:07] <nosebleedKT> cool, our php developer got fired
[20:09] <nosebleedKT> and now we are looking for a new one
[20:09] <nosebleedKT> anyone want to apply? :p
[20:09] <nosebleedKT> 900e per month, 1120 mixed for the start.
[20:09] <nosebleedKT> :P
[20:10] <nosebleedKT> and he will have the owner to sit right next to me
[20:10] <nosebleedKT> :P
[20:10] <daveake> I'd pay you not to force me to write in PHP :)
[20:10] <staylo> Laurenceb_: brilliant!
[20:10] <nosebleedKT> people here will start to pay to get a job
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[20:24] <fsphil> PHP is quite nice
[20:24] <fsphil> it's just easy to do stupid things with it
[20:25] <zyp> nice compared to what?
[20:25] <fsphil> visual basic
[20:25] <fsphil> cobol
[20:25] <fsphil> fortran
[20:25] <zyp> sure, if we are comparing turds
[20:25] <fsphil> perl
[20:26] <fsphil> java
[20:26] <zyp> I'll admit it's a few years since last time I touched php
[20:27] <zyp> luckily, since I don't want anything more to do with it
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[20:50] <jonsowman> I2C: C D - (clock data ground), OW: + D -
[20:50] <jonsowman> etc
[20:50] <jonsowman> oops
[20:50] <jonsowman> wrong window :)
[20:50] <daveake> I couldn't tell :)
[20:51] <Upu> could have been worse could have been a password
[20:52] <NickB1> could anyone help me with a programming problem (lassen)
[20:53] <daveake> maybe ...
[20:54] <NickB1> i'm trying to figure out how to process the data in the serial buffer before rtty starts
[20:56] <Upu> Serial.Flush ?
[20:57] <daveake> Just dump everything till you get a "$", collect a line till you get the LF, check the checksum then parse each field in turn
[20:57] <fsphil> also dump the $
[20:57] <fsphil> I use the $ as a signal to clear the buffer
[20:57] <daveake> yep
[20:57] <fsphil> it's not part of the checksum anyway
[20:57] <daveake> nope
[20:58] <NickB1> ok starting to get it
[20:58] <NickB1> thanks
[20:58] <fsphil> I think that might have been the intention behind the design actually
[20:58] <daveake> probably
[21:05] <NickB1> finished the shield today
[21:05] <NickB1> http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/8933/megahabshieldfinished.jpg
[21:06] <Laurenceb__> smd 0.1" headers?
[21:06] <NickB1> yes indeed
[21:07] <Laurenceb__> neat
[21:07] <NickB1> gives a lot more room on the top
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[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> hi nosebleedKT
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[21:21] <MrCraig> testing my bnc, brb
[21:24] <MrCraig> looking good :-)
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[22:15] <russss> UK people may be interested in www.emfcamp.org which is a hacker camp which I'm organising this summer (as if I don't have enough on my plate already)
[22:16] Action: SpeedEvil assumes it's not in Fife.
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[22:18] Action: fsphil also assumes it's not in Cookstown
[22:18] <Randomskk> russss: I saw it on my phone and for some reason the submit button does not show up on android, presumably google spreadsheet's fault
[22:18] <Randomskk> at any rate I later registered my interest :P
[22:18] <russss> location is still undecided. If you have any suggestions, they are welcome
[22:18] <russss> Randomskk: my bad really, I set the google form iframe to be fixed-height to clip off the annoying footer
[22:18] <Randomskk> we should totally do a ukhas tent. maybe release a balloon
[22:18] <Randomskk> russss: yes I noticed that on the desktop, where you can see about 1px worth of footer :P
[22:19] <russss> it looks lovely on my browser :P
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[22:19] <Randomskk> hah I bet
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[22:19] <russss> my web design skills are a bit rusty
[22:21] <russss> I gave it a bit more height
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[22:24] <MrCraig-netbook> heck, sorry for all the connects/disconnects
[22:24] <fsphil> no worries
[22:24] <fsphil> we've not had many since smea stopped it
[22:25] <MrCraig-netbook> hehe, I'm trying to get a bnc running right so that I never miss a minute in #highaltitude even though I can't always be online in person.
[22:25] <MrCraig-netbook> It's supposed to stay connected when I leave *hrmph*
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[22:30] <MrCraig-netbook> erm - wtf
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[22:33] <Laurenceb__> whats typical width for symbol lines in eagle?
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[22:51] <MrCraig-netbook> right, I'm off- g'nite all
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[22:52] <NigeyS> evening James
[22:52] <Laurenceb__> eagle 6 is a disaster
[22:52] <Laurenceb__> its worse than eagle 4
[22:53] <NigeyS> lol i get warned about a bug everytime i start it up ...
[22:53] <Laurenceb__> me too
[22:53] <Laurenceb__> then redraw breaks
[22:53] <NigeyS> WARNING: Most unfortunately, after the whole release process for version 6.0.0 had been finished, it turned out that there is a bug in the polygon handling of the CAM Processor
[22:53] <Laurenceb__> yes
[22:53] <Laurenceb__> do you run ubuntu?
[22:54] <NigeyS> yeah, and windows, ive left ubuntu on the previous version
[22:54] <Laurenceb__> haha
[22:54] <Laurenceb__> unity is forcing everyone back to windows
[22:55] <Upu> never left :)
[22:55] <Laurenceb__> eagle doesnt add itself to applications
[22:55] <NigeyS> unity is a steaming pile of horse shit tbh
[22:55] Action: NigeyS readies mint 12
[22:55] <Upu> Eagle need to up their game or I'm demanding a full refund
[22:55] <Laurenceb__> library parts are breaking now
[22:55] <Upu> on the plus side Laurenceb
[22:55] <NigeyS> blimey
[22:56] <Laurenceb__> prefix is incorrect
[22:56] <Upu> you can undo stuff properly now yay for progress
[22:56] <Laurenceb__> heh
[22:56] <Upu> group move could still be consdered retarded
[22:56] <Laurenceb__> i want my ics to be u$ not G$
[22:56] <Laurenceb__> wtf
[22:57] <Lunar_Lander> hey NigeyS
[22:57] <NigeyS> hey kev
[22:57] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[22:58] <NigeyS> good ta, u ?
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> me too, thanks
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> just tired
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> what are you up to?
[23:06] <NigeyS> looking for parts for the swift pcb
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> YAY
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> there is a 2.1 version of the OneWire library that works with Arduino 1.0
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[23:12] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/swift/IMG_0348.JPG <- Lunar
[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> balloon computer?
[23:14] <Upu> yeah
[23:15] <jcoxon> night all
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[23:15] <fsphil> dual-radio
[23:15] <fsphil> should be very cool
[23:15] <Darkside> shit i need to finish the diplexer
[23:15] <NigeyS> sexy blue sexy blue
[23:15] <Darkside> because you'll need tha
[23:15] <Darkside> that
[23:15] <NigeyS> haha yush!
[23:16] <Darkside> can't do it today though, my main PC is down :P
[23:16] <Darkside> no power!
[23:16] <NigeyS> you get compensation off them for being without power ?
[23:16] <Upu> no power ?
[23:16] <Upu> you in Wales ?
[23:16] <Upu> jesus
[23:16] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL!
[23:16] <NigeyS> lol oi
[23:16] <Darkside> pff
[23:16] <Darkside> nah
[23:16] <Darkside> powerline maintenance
[23:16] <Upu> I think I'm about to loose my antenna
[23:17] <Darkside> we were informed about it weeks ago
[23:17] <NigeyS> ahh
[23:17] <Darkside> which is why i was prepared
[23:17] <Darkside> i reckon i have a good 2 days worth of laptop power off this SLA
[23:17] <NigeyS> upu get up the ladder and stay there till the wind dies down :p
[23:17] <Upu> sod that :)
[23:17] <fsphil> winds picking up here again
[23:17] <NigeyS> Darkside, thats not bad
[23:17] <Upu> just mailed this guy : Lunar
[23:17] <Upu> [23:13] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[23:17] <Upu> err
[23:17] <Upu> no
[23:17] <Upu> http://big-marts-brackets.yolasite.com/ <- him
[23:18] <Upu> asking for some very heavy duty rotator platform
[23:18] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[23:18] <NigeyS> bloody hell
[23:18] <Lunar_Lander> but I mean that the PCB is cool
[23:18] <Lunar_Lander> and Wales = Gavin & Stacey
[23:18] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[23:18] <Upu> "Big Mart"
[23:18] <Upu> Big Matts Brackets you can trust that name
[23:18] <Upu> Mart even
[23:18] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:18] <fsphil> arg, amateur radio websites
[23:19] Action: fsphil shields eyes
[23:19] <Darkside> http://k0lee.com/duplexer.htm hrmm i dont like that duplexer design
[23:19] <Darkside> inductor coupling everywhere
[23:19] <Upu> fsphil he has ones on hinges you can take down
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> btw fsphil the show has a good side effect
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> I now know that Beth and Pam are not just names
[23:20] <fsphil> Upu, just spotted that. that's a great idea. also, drive-on brackets
[23:20] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander, ?
[23:20] <Upu> also he does wheelie bin brackets :)
[23:20] <fsphil> the drive-on one would be perfect for operating on the mountain
[23:20] <NigeyS> Darkside, what do it say, in english ? :|
[23:21] <Lunar_Lander> Pam=Why and Beth=What
[23:21] <Lunar_Lander> in Welsh
[23:21] <Darkside> NigeyS: its the duplexer design i based mine off of
[23:21] <Darkside> bit his one will suffer from inductor coupling
[23:21] <NigeyS> ohhh
[23:21] <Darkside> that is, where the signal coupled from inductor to inductor, resulting in less filter loss
[23:22] <NigeyS> duplexers come across as a bit of a dark art ?
[23:22] <Darkside> which is bad, when you want the filter to have a good stopband attenuation
[23:22] <Darkside> NigeyS: nah not really
[23:22] <Darkside> its just a high lass filter and a low pass filter
[23:22] <NigeyS> way over my head :(
[23:22] <fsphil> I met a high lass once
[23:22] <NigeyS> lol
[23:22] <Darkside> pass*
[23:22] <Darkside> fsphil: lol
[23:23] <NigeyS> tnx phil, wanna go get me a cloth to mop up that coffee ?
[23:23] <Lunar_Lander> Upu what does your balloon computer do?
[23:23] <fsphil> lol
[23:23] <Upu> its not mine
[23:23] <daveake> She looked a high lass but she let the band pass
[23:23] <Upu> its NigeyS and fsphil I just made the PCB
[23:23] <NigeyS> kev, its the project swift pcb
[23:24] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[23:24] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL daveake
[23:24] <NigeyS> it drives cars and stuff too, and if you ask it nicely, it may even wash up :)
[23:24] <Lunar_Lander> yay!
[23:24] <Lunar_Lander> may I call it Ruth?
[23:24] <NigeyS> ew no
[23:24] <daveake> I wish cloud2 would wash up
[23:24] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[23:24] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander, onboard ublox6 gps + antenna, atmega644 processor and headers for uart camera n' temperature sensors. onboard pressure sensor too
[23:24] <Upu> never let it be said your strange Lunar_Lander
[23:24] <NigeyS> its called Swift-v1 .....
[23:24] <fsphil> daveake, I'm in the same boat
[23:24] <Lunar_Lander> cool fsphil
[23:25] <Lunar_Lander> Upu well I think that
[23:25] <Lunar_Lander> Ruth Jones is good
[23:25] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[23:25] <NigeyS> upu pmsl!!
[23:25] <daveake> Landing in a boat would be good
[23:25] <fsphil> lol
[23:25] <fsphil> oh that would be good
[23:25] <NigeyS> mm a boat landing
[23:25] <fsphil> I wonder how many shopping bags end up stuck to oil rigs
[23:25] <NigeyS> random? :|
[23:25] <fsphil> lol
[23:25] <fsphil> just a bit
[23:26] <Lunar_Lander> wasn't there a team from Belgium last year doing a water landing on purpose?
[23:26] <daveake> yep
[23:26] <fsphil> upu's was better though
[23:26] <fsphil> better pics
[23:26] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[23:26] <daveake> Great pics and video from Upu's
[23:26] <Lunar_Lander> I called the gas company today
[23:26] <Lunar_Lander> and Raul also
[23:26] <Lunar_Lander> only got an occupied signal
[23:26] <Lunar_Lander> but the gas people said that the cylinders had been returned on January 2
[23:27] <Lunar_Lander> so that is good
[23:27] <NigeyS> unfortunately, swift will be going nowhere near water, unless we dont get further than the east coast of the uk lol !
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[23:27] <fsphil> well, they should at least travel over the channel
[23:27] <NigeyS> i want it to land in china
[23:27] <NigeyS> nothing better than an international incident to cement in a record :D
[23:27] <fsphil> china is big
[23:28] <Lunar_Lander> if you open the predictor and just hit "run prediction" with the defaults set, it flies into belgium
[23:28] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[23:28] <fsphil> and mostly empty
[23:28] <Lunar_Lander> from Cambridge
[23:28] <NigeyS> lots of fields...
[23:28] <fsphil> and mountains
[23:28] <fsphil> and deserts
[23:28] <fsphil> but that would be really nifty if it got that far
[23:28] <NigeyS> bugger all else really
[23:28] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:28] <fsphil> wonder if aprs works out that way
[23:28] <NigeyS> o h and 2 billion people
[23:28] <Lunar_Lander> well the next thing is to find out if Japan allows HAB
[23:29] <Lunar_Lander> so that we can work on a pacific flight
[23:29] <fsphil> japan have a history with balloons
[23:29] <NigeyS> fsphil, bloody better!
[23:29] <Lunar_Lander> I know
[23:29] <daveake> balloons w/ bombs
[23:29] <NigeyS> or we'll be mailing mr foo yung .. can you find our balloon pls :D
[23:30] <Lunar_Lander> daveake: yeah, the Fu-Go balloons
[23:33] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[23:33] <Lunar_Lander> is british TV also better than german TV in terms of programming on new year's eve?
[23:33] <Upu> yes we have Jools Holland
[23:34] <Upu> night all
[23:34] <fsphil> good old jools was the only thing on
[23:34] <fsphil> football on bbc1 !!!
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander> night Upu
[23:34] <NigeyS> nn upu!
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander> yay!
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander> we got the same afternoon "comedy" programmes
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander> every year the same
[23:34] <fsphil> itv is usually pretty dire
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander> and the movie "Dinner for one"
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander> I don't know if that is even known in Britain
[23:34] <daveake> I was about to mention that :)
[23:35] <fsphil> the only thing most people here know about it, is that it is popular in germany :)
[23:35] <daveake> (no, we don't have it)
[23:35] <fsphil> it was a question on QI a while back
[23:35] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:35] <daveake> Mrs Dave was born in germany to a german mother
[23:35] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[23:35] <fsphil> Das ist .. something
[23:36] <zyp> it's popular in Norway too
[23:36] <fsphil> I'll have to watch it some of these days
[23:36] <zyp> but here it always airs 23rd
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[23:37] <fsphil> is it any good?
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, it is really funny
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander> do you want to have a plot overview?
[23:37] <fsphil> nah, will watch it later. I'm sure it's on youtube
[23:38] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:38] <Lunar_Lander> probably
[23:38] <Lunar_Lander> ;)
[23:40] <Lunar_Lander> and still
[23:40] <Lunar_Lander> Ruth Jones = Hot!
[23:40] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[23:45] <Lando-SpacePimp> RUTH
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[23:45] <Lando-SpacePimp> BABY!
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[23:46] <Lando-SpacePimp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhm0uG1JUz4&t=0m13s
[23:48] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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