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[05:31] <fsphil> unbelievable gales here atm. power lines arcing, things falling over and breaking. large metal objects flying through the air
[05:48] <hibby> nae wind in glasgow
[05:48] <hibby> that i can hear
[05:50] <hibby> 'spose I should head to bed :)
[06:06] <fsphil> bit late now lol
[06:06] <fsphil> a gate was blown of its hinges, landed alarmingly near my car
[06:07] <fsphil> I'm up in an hour, better get some more sleep :)
[06:16] <Darkside> hmm
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[06:52] <Upu> its pretty breezy here
[06:53] <SamSilver_> baked beans again?
[06:53] <Upu> thankfully not
[06:53] <SamSilver_> same here but then my dog is very old
[06:54] <SamSilver_> Upu: hab launch weather here
[06:54] <Upu> lol
[06:54] <Upu> I doubt you'd get one off the ground here today
[06:54] <SamSilver_> no wind at ground level but the clouds are moving along
[06:55] <Upu> ya see theres ya prooooblem : http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=53.41670&lon=-3.00000&zoom=4&type=hyb&units=metric&rad=0&wxsn=0&svr=0&cams=0&sat=0&riv=0&mm=1&mm.mdl=GFS&mm.type=200&mm.hour=0&mm.opa=100&mm.clk=0&hur=0&fire=0&tor=0&ndfd=0&pix=0&dir=0&ads=0&tfk=0&ski=0&stormreports=0
[06:56] <Upu> its dem ishooobars
[06:57] <Upu> great for a floater to europe
[06:57] <Upu> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=b5cc8529f867e814b7145ecb3be83d150c298ddb
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[07:32] <costyn_> hello
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[07:36] <jcoxon> hmmm doing rtty on the rfm22 eats massively into my power budget
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[07:38] <SamSilver_> jcoxon: 1 x aaa is hardly a power source ;-)
[07:38] <costyn_> haha
[07:38] <jcoxon> that is true
[07:38] <jcoxon> its just annoying as i can't switch between rtty and hell without a period of drift of about 1 minute
[07:38] <costyn_> Upu: that wunderground link is nice. i thought wind went from high presssure to low pressure, but seems to be flowing along the isobars at the moment
[07:40] <SamSilver_> jcoxon: is it the TX or the lib or program that is causing that?
[07:41] <SamSilver_> sounds like a tx prob
[07:41] <jcoxon> yeah its tx i think
[07:41] <jcoxon> basically for rtty we have a carrier which we change the freq
[07:41] <jcoxon> to get mark and space
[07:42] <jcoxon> for hell we have a carrier which we turn on and off
[07:43] <SamSilver_> jcoxon: maybe the resistors heat up (or cool down) unevenly when changing over as different amounts rates of volt change happen
[07:43] <jcoxon> interesting
[07:43] <SamSilver_> ahh this is on the 22
[07:44] <jcoxon> yeah
[07:44] <jcoxon> so its all SPI
[07:45] <SamSilver_> a cuppa coffee and a bit of head scratching might help
[07:46] <SamSilver_> afk
[07:46] <gonzo_> sounds like thermal drift, why not fm the hell too then
[07:48] <jcoxon> gonzo_, yeah that works well
[07:48] <jcoxon> but
[07:48] <jcoxon> it sucks power
[07:48] <jcoxon> going from about a 22% duty to 100%
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[07:51] <jcoxon> hey number10 - i think it'll be sat not sun for the launch
[07:52] <number10> ah - I had to promise to take mrs#10 out to get sunday off - will try and re-arrange
[07:52] <jcoxon> oh sorry
[07:52] <number10> thats OK
[07:53] <jcoxon> its a better flight path on sat
[07:53] <jcoxon> keeps closer to UK for longer
[07:53] <number10> thats good
[07:54] <number10> I think restaurant I was going to take the Mrs to is open for lunch sunday - so I'll try and change that
[07:55] <jcoxon> oh number10, don't worry about it
[07:55] <jcoxon> :-)
[07:57] <number10> I dont think its a problem - we were just going to pop out for lunch. with a bit of luck the wind will calm before the weekend
[07:57] <jcoxon> yes
[07:58] <jcoxon> if its blowy i'll postpone
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[07:58] <UpuWork> when are you launching jcoxon ?
[07:59] <number10> I think daveake is also planning a launch soon.. on 28th Jan
[07:59] <jcoxon> sat
[08:00] <UpuWork> ok its a pico on a full size balloon ?
[08:00] <jcoxon> nah its a pico on a single foil
[08:00] <UpuWork> meh
[08:00] <jcoxon> but a lighter pico
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[08:00] <jcoxon> so ~5km
[08:00] <UpuWork> ok well I may be able to get it
[08:00] <UpuWork> be a first :)
[08:01] <jcoxon> i'm thinking 10 strongs of slow-hell then 10 strings of rtty
[08:01] <jcoxon> though they'll be considerable drift
[08:01] <jcoxon> while switching modes
[08:02] <UpuWork> couldn't recieve it all last time just a little too low for me sadly
[08:03] <jcoxon> yeah there is a point where things are just over the horizon
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[08:14] <number10> the prediction looks roughly the same as last pico flight
[08:14] <jcoxon> yeah
[08:16] <number10> we were going to aldenurgh on sat - I wonder if Mrs10 would be happy for a change of venue, fish and chips on the cliff at felixtowe
[08:17] <UpuWork> Aldenurgh ?
[08:17] <jcoxon> i'll leave that to you to negotiate
[08:17] <jcoxon> aldeburgh
[08:17] <UpuWork> thats where Ava came ashore :)
[08:18] <number10> yea eldeburgh (cant type) its a favorite place for hab ditchings
[08:19] <jcoxon> time for work
[08:19] <number10> cu
[08:19] <UpuWork> have fun
[08:19] <jcoxon> so current plan is launch on sat though depends on local weather
[08:19] <number10> ok
[08:19] <jcoxon> needs to be relatively calm to launch in
[08:19] <jcoxon> bit too early to tell
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[08:21] <number10> when are you next launching UpuWork?
[08:21] <fsphil> yay, it's only gusty now not gale force :)
[08:22] <number10> thought it was supposed to get worse there, later on fsphil - according to forcast
[08:22] <UpuWork> hey number10 just waiting on some PCB's to be returned from Seeedstudio, I redesigned Ava's board
[08:23] <UpuWork> on a 5cms x 5cms PCB now
[08:23] <fsphil> not seen the forecast yet -- there's more coming? eep
[08:23] <UpuWork> I suppose I should rebuild the container though despite the fact its been in the sea its still solid
[08:23] <number10> did you change much of the design UpuWork?
[08:24] <UpuWork> yeah all of it
[08:24] <UpuWork> switched to ublox 6
[08:24] <UpuWork> all surface mount
[08:24] <UpuWork> put cut down circuit on there
[08:24] <number10> are you using nss for the gps?
[08:24] <UpuWork> no its on hardware serial
[08:25] <UpuWork> debug is on SS
[08:25] <number10> more tomorrow as well fsphil but not as bad
[08:25] <UpuWork> uses Arduino bootloader
[08:25] <UpuWork> programming by ICSP
[08:27] <number10> I spent some time doing a bit of my HAB controller last couple of days, what with tracking, and HAM exams comming up - I think Mrs10 is getting a bit fed up with it
[08:28] <NigelMoby> Meh talk about evil weather this morning!!
[08:30] <fsphil> a bit breezy
[08:31] <NigelMoby> that's putting it mildly
[08:32] <fsphil> 75mph gust was measured not far from here
[08:33] <NigelMoby> bloody ell
[08:33] <gonzo_> a mess down the road here, a few recycle bins have blown over and the lot is blowing around
[08:33] <NigelMoby> dunno the speed here but its dam fast :(
[08:34] <fsphil> yea it was heading east
[08:34] <NigelMoby> 93mph
[08:34] <fsphil> yikes
[08:35] <fsphil> it's gotten stronger since it was here
[08:35] <NigelMoby> rather barmy lol
[08:35] <NigelMoby> oh so u sent it over eh? :p
[08:35] <fsphil> muhaha
[08:35] <fsphil> be interesting to see if there was any damage
[08:36] <NigelMoby> we send u sheep u send us storm force winds....lol
[08:36] <fsphil> a big gate snapped of its hinges nearby, but I don't see anything else broken
[08:36] <NigelMoby> Eek
[08:39] <fsphil> righty, of to work I go. booo
[08:40] <NigelMoby> have fun!
[08:40] <number10> !fun
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[08:57] <costyn_> holy crap this is awesome: http://vimeo.com/34340906
[08:57] <costyn_> (sorry not even slightly HAB related, but you fellow nerds might enjoy it)
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[09:24] <fsphil> costyn_, took me a second to realise what was going on there
[09:25] <costyn_> yea me too :)
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[09:26] Action: SpeedEvil hates powecuts.
[09:26] <SpeedEvil> Bout an hour so far.
[09:26] <fsphil> amazed we didn't have any overnight. just the odd glitch
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[09:27] <SpeedEvil> It's quite windy here.
[09:28] <costyn_> SpeedEvil: same, very gusty and windy
[09:28] <SpeedEvil> I'm really hoping a delivery doesn't occur today.
[09:28] <fsphil> between 4am and 5am was probably the strongest winds I've seen here for a very long time
[09:28] <SpeedEvil> Large sheets of twinwall plastic
[09:29] <fsphil> aka, wings :)
[09:29] <SpeedEvil> As in 4m*1m*10mm
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[09:30] <SpeedEvil> Replacing the roof of the greenhouse with plastic - and there go another couple of sheets in the greenhouse
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[09:31] <SpeedEvil> Really thankful I slightly upgraded my UPS battery.
[09:31] <fsphil> I'm glad it wasn't snowing too -- we've never had a blizzard here afaik
[09:31] <SpeedEvil> Now I can go 12 hours at least without load sedding.
[09:32] <SpeedEvil> shedding
[09:32] <SpeedEvil> Just hoping it doesn't get sunny - I'd have to get out of bed to run a flex from the UPS to the solar-thermal panel pump
[09:34] <number10> sounds like you have a decent setup there SpeedEvil
[09:35] <SpeedEvil> Well - from some perspectives.
[09:35] <SpeedEvil> I also have no heating, until I get the insulation fixed.
[09:35] <SpeedEvil> which is hopefully going to be this year
[09:36] <fsphil> no heating, intermittent power -- do you live on the shetlands? :)
[09:36] <SpeedEvil> Fife.
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[09:36] <SpeedEvil> In principle I have heating. It's just that to use it would wipe out the small amount of savings I've managed to accumulate over the last yearish, and mean I can't afford to finish the insulation.
[09:37] <SpeedEvil> hence electric blanket and lots of layers.
[09:38] Action: SpeedEvil wishes he had a wind turbine that could do gusts.
[09:38] <number10> is it an old place - or are you building it
[09:38] <SpeedEvil> It's ~1700 I think
[09:39] <SpeedEvil> It was renovated in ~1980, and it consists of 50cm stone walls, 5cm air, and then plasterboard.
[09:39] <SpeedEvil> Insulation is not present.
[09:39] <SpeedEvil> So I need to rip up the floors, walls, and do it all.
[09:40] <number10> that sounds expensive
[09:40] <SpeedEvil> DIY, so mostly time-consuming.
[09:40] <SpeedEvil> But also expensive
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[10:53] <edmoore> g
[10:55] <fsphil> possibly
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[10:57] <daveake> I assume no-one's launching today :D
[10:58] <daveake> Quite a lot of weather going on here
[10:58] <fsphil> not intentionally anyway
[10:58] <NickB1> Pretty windy over here in Belgium to
[11:02] <fsphil> I've had to bring down my hf antenna about 5 times this winter
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[11:15] <daveake> Someone (fsphil?) said yesterday there should be a prize for flying a HAB mission with a 6502 ... well how about flying this instead? ;) http://authors.library.caltech.edu/5456/1/hrst.mit.edu/hrs/apollo/public/images/Plate_19.jpg
[11:18] <zyp> when we did a launch of a standard radiosonde in space tech school, the sonde came with a hole strip which was read by the ground receiver to pair with it
[11:19] <fsphil> space tech school?
[11:19] <daveake> Oh I wish I went to space tech school :(
[11:19] <gonzo_> I can copy rtty telem down to punch tape if required
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[11:20] <fsphil> that would get 50 points gonzo_
[11:20] <nosebleedkt_> fsphil: yo
[11:20] <daveake> My first ever program was on punch tape. It got eaten by a dog.
[11:20] <zyp> fsphil, yep
[11:20] <nosebleedkt_> lol
[11:20] <fsphil> haha
[11:20] <fsphil> I've never seen punch tape
[11:20] <gonzo_> mainly used for making xmas decorations!
[11:20] <nosebleedkt_> i've never seen a tape ? :p
[11:21] Action: fsphil still has tapes :)
[11:21] <daveake> Blimey
[11:21] <nosebleedkt_> fsphil: is old then
[11:21] <fsphil> well yea, I owned a C64 :p
[11:21] <daveake> Our local poly had a room full of ASR33's
[11:21] <gonzo_> it wasn't that long ago that punch tape went out of used in cnc world
[11:21] <daveake> Once I was on my own and sent print jobs from one to most of the others. Made a hell of a racket
[11:21] <fsphil> they where read optically yea?
[11:22] <gonzo_> cut my teeth on pet/cbm and zx81
[11:22] <gonzo_> have used an asr33, but have the creed444 in the living room at the mo
[11:23] <daveake> I'm guessing you're not married :)
[11:23] <gonzo_> hehe, that's probably why!
[11:23] <daveake> Don't think I could /quite/ get away with that ...
[11:23] <gonzo_> used to use it on a rtty link on cb to a friend
[11:24] Action: fsphil googles asr33 and creed444
[11:24] <gonzo_> could shake the house by sending ltrs/nums shifts
[11:24] Action: daveake already googled creed444
[11:26] <daveake> "An ASR-33 provided Bill Gates' first computing experience."
[11:27] <fsphil> that explains a lot
[11:27] <daveake> And he's been trying to take us back there ever since
[11:27] <daveake> Just had 3 brown-outs 'cos of this storm. Godo job the UPS's are working :)
[11:28] <fsphil> still gusty here
[11:28] <daveake> even if my fingers aren't
[11:28] <SpeedEvil> My UPS is still at ~70-80% I think.
[11:28] <SpeedEvil> Still off since 8:42AM
[11:28] <fsphil> pouncing now too
[11:28] <fsphil> and this office is freezing
[11:28] <daveake> "In 1971 Ray Tomlinson chose the @ symbol on his ASR-33 keyboard for use in network email."
[11:28] <SpeedEvil> I keep going to the kitchen and turning on the kettle.
[11:29] <daveake> SpeedEvil just how big is that UPS of yours then? :)
[11:29] <SpeedEvil> It's a 21 quid UPS from ebay.
[11:30] <SpeedEvil> er
[11:30] <SpeedEvil> ebuyer
[11:30] <SpeedEvil> But it's sitting on top of a 12V 100Ah battery
[11:30] <daveake> Ah
[11:30] <daveake> That explains that then
[11:30] <fsphil> that's lots more Ah than mine
[11:32] <SpeedEvil> I'm hoping that this powercut goes on for anther 12 minutes, and there are two more this year.
[11:32] <fsphil> I could probably stay online for an hour
[11:32] <daveake> I have 3 APC1400s dotted around. Dunno how many Ah their batteries are, but it won't be anywhere near 100!
[11:32] <SpeedEvil> That way the battery is half-paid for with compensation.
[11:33] Action: fsphil imagines SpeedEvil out weakening the trees near the power lines
[11:36] <daveake> :-). We got compensation from BT for a non-working ISDN line years ago. I ordered the line, then the BT guy cam and put the box on the wall and wired it up. He then went off to the exchange, and came back saying there was absolutely no ISDN equipment in it! It took over 6 weeks for them to get the parts ordered and installed, during which time I technically had a line but no service. The compensation was over £400 and paid for over a year of
[11:37] <fsphil> sweet! and annoying
[11:37] <daveake> yes and yes. And if you've ever tried getting through to someone with a brain at BT, you'll know how annoying that got
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[13:43] <daveake> Arggh.... thought the ADSL router had died. It took me offline and wouldn't start up despite switching off then ona few times. Turned out to be the chesap-as-shit power brick it came with
[13:44] <daveake> The failure rathe on those things is horrendous
[13:44] <daveake> arte
[13:44] <daveake> rate
[13:44] <daveake> As bad as my typing :D
[13:45] <cuddykid> anyone know where I could get rudder hinges from on the high street :S
[13:52] <edmoore> a high street chandlers?
[13:52] <edmoore> or for a glider
[13:52] <edmoore> oh*
[13:52] <edmoore> a model shop
[13:52] <edmoore> any decent model shop would be able to sort you out
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[14:03] <fsphil> daveake, linksys?
[14:08] <daveake> Good grief no :)
[14:08] <daveake> Though I do have some Linksys "Slugs", and 2 of 3 PSUs failed on those
[14:08] <daveake> Draytek
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[14:09] <daveake> Had some on Maxtor external hard drives fail too
[14:09] <daveake> Fortunately I have a large box of spare PSUs from old deceased or binned kit
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[14:20] <number10> daveake_, when you did your testing of the GPS conversion (the one that printed picture of spaceship), did you write a program that simulated the GPS, taking data from a file and outputting RS232?
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[14:22] <daveake_> Yes, exactly that. IIRC it was one program with 2 functions - one to draw the shape on the screen and generate the NMEA, and the second to play that back down a serial port. It also generated KML which I checked in Google Earth before I went "live" on spacenear.us :)
[14:23] <daveake_> Actually I think I may have used an online tool to generate the KML.
[14:26] <number10> ah - i tink I need to test my code - I have done it manually for various locations - seems OK - what was you problem you had whhen converting?
[14:26] <number10> +h
[14:27] <daveake_> All to do with formatting floats
[14:27] <daveake_> Failing to pad out the decimal part with zeroes was one
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[14:28] <number10> cheers, I'll have to think carefully about test data
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[14:29] <daveake_> For formatting, dtostrf is your friend
[14:30] <fsphil> the padding and negative 0 bugs are the two big ones
[14:30] <daveake_> I did both
[14:30] <number10> I was using atof()
[14:30] <daveake_> :p
[14:30] <fsphil> doing both takes talent lol
[14:30] <daveake_> I know lol
[14:30] <daveake_> Both of them last-minute changes, naturally
[14:30] <number10> :)
[14:30] <fsphil> I did the negative 0 one, but that flight stayed well away from the meridian
[14:31] <daveake_> Good job you fixed that before you missed Yorkshire then :)
[14:32] <fsphil> indeed, or it would have been extra lost
[14:33] <fsphil> next time I fly that direction it will have a cut-down. though naturally that will be the flight that bursts early and lands in the irish sea
[14:33] <fsphil> or the isle of man knowing my luck
[14:34] <number10> I was simply converting the ASCII dddmm.mmmmm using longitude = floor(atof(lon_str)/100); lon_mins = atof(lon_str+3); longitude += lon_mins; then 0-longitude if W
[14:34] <number10> seems to work
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[14:36] <edmoore> NigelMoby: the recent music exchange put me in the mood for some devilish virtuosity
[14:36] <edmoore> so
[14:36] <edmoore> paganini
[14:36] <edmoore> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCePRgqO-HI&feature=related
[14:37] <edmoore> when he was alive people genuinely thought he'd made a pact with the devil to play the violin like that
[14:37] <daveake_> :)
[14:38] <fsphil> all violinists have a bit of evil in them
[14:38] <fsphil> evil hands anyway
[14:38] <Zuph> I still believe he'd made a pact with the devil.
[14:39] <edmoore> perlman too then right?
[14:39] <edmoore> it's a pretty astounding performance
[14:39] <edmoore> especially the 24th
[14:39] <number10> very nice piece - aparantly the latest virstuosos cant tell the difference between a modern violin and a stradivarius
[14:39] <fsphil> will have to watch that later
[14:40] <edmoore> i remember the first time i heard the 24th and assumed it was two violins
[14:40] <Darkside> om ham
[14:40] <Darkside> oh man
[14:41] <Darkside> thats where that comes from
[14:41] <Darkside> caprice 24
[14:41] <Darkside> variations
[14:41] <fsphil> ah yea, I know that
[14:42] <Darkside> variation 23 is awesome
[14:42] <Darkside> <3 cello
[14:42] <edmoore> it's as famous now thanks to rachmaninoff's paganini variations
[14:42] <Darkside> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqVjSqvkRh4
[14:43] <Darkside> the dancers are annoying towards the end
[14:43] <Darkside> also julian lloyd webber looks evil
[14:43] <fsphil> runs in the family then
[14:43] <daveake_> lol
[14:44] <daveake_> Mrs Dave worked at the local cat shelter and ALW took on 2 kittens from them. They were expecting a decent sized donation. I can't remember the figure but I do remember the phrase "what a tight-arse"
[14:44] <edmoore> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90MuPqYtV_k
[14:44] <edmoore> the final part of pletnev playing rach's pag variations
[14:45] <edmoore> this is astounding i think ^
[14:45] <edmoore> really the best performance of this peice i've ever seen. pletnev is in total and complete control
[14:46] <edmoore> he's so economical with his motion, yet gets astounding sound out of the piano
[14:46] <edmoore> it's pretty inspirational
[14:46] <edmoore> just a refreshment compared to lang lang's clowning finger fireworks and silly faces that doesn't actually end up sounding all that good
[14:47] <Zuph> hah
[14:47] <Zuph> Well spoken, Ed :-p
[14:48] <edmoore> man
[14:48] <edmoore> i do get upset that he's so popular
[14:48] <fsphil> is there a newbies guide to this stuff? cause there's far too much of it, and it's all very confusing :)
[14:48] <daveake_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b85hn8rJvgw ... "The Bruce Lee of classical piano" LOL
[14:48] <edmoore> someone like sokolov could squash him like a bug
[14:48] <edmoore> fsphil: don't panic
[14:48] <edmoore> i started listening age 20 - 4 years ago - was bewildering#
[14:49] <edmoore> composers, performers, 'romantic', 'neo classical' just vast amounts of confuzzion
[14:49] <fsphil> I tend to just listen, no idea who's playing or who wrote it. some of it's good, some of it's just noise
[14:49] <edmoore> but it all starts fitting into place
[14:49] <edmoore> well, rachminoff is god
[14:49] <edmoore> a pianist and composer for orchestra and paino
[14:49] <edmoore> then there were some other gods just before him
[14:50] <edmoore> chopin and list in the 19th century
[14:50] <edmoore> again both mainly piano
[14:50] <edmoore> and before that you had beethoven
[14:50] <edmoore> and then i get less interested
[14:50] Action: Darkside goes back to his Aphex Twin
[14:50] <edmoore> s/list/liszt
[14:50] <Darkside> <_<
[14:51] <edmoore> Darkside: stick it though to the end of the rach pag
[14:51] <Darkside> its certainly some nice piano work
[14:51] <edmoore> he turns on what in modern parlance would be called 'god mode'
[14:51] <Darkside> its more amazing memorizing the entire piece...
[14:52] <edmoore> maybe from 6:15
[14:52] <edmoore> watch from there
[14:52] <Darkside> i'm at 4:20 atm
[14:53] <Darkside> also i'm surprised the violinists didnt hit each other
[14:53] <Darkside> given how much they were moving around
[14:54] <Darkside> ok now i'm seeing the god mode stuff
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[14:58] <Darkside> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqSulR9Fymg
[14:58] <Darkside> always a fun one
[14:58] <Darkside> the guy isnt even looking at the piano most of the time
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[15:00] <edmoore> i seems a bit miserable
[15:00] <edmoore> he*
[15:00] <edmoore> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=352qLWqKN-U&feature=related
[15:02] <Darkside> "Proudly Sponsored by Head & Shoulders "
[15:02] <Darkside> hah
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[15:02] <number10> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7lW-PuEaf8&feature=related
[15:03] <edmoore> oh put it away
[15:03] <edmoore> can't be doing with any of this asian finger merchant guff
[15:03] <Darkside> finger merchant?
[15:04] <number10> I thought you may have said something along those lines after the lang lang comment ;)
[15:04] <edmoore> she's very talented
[15:05] <edmoore> but i've heard her play hundreds of things and literally none of them have been as good an interpretation as those of other pianists
[15:06] <number10> its almost as if she is on auto pilot
[15:06] <edmoore> i can play some bits of chopin as well as her. that's not to big myself up, it's just saying that technique is something you need so you can express the music, rather than being a substitute for expression
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[15:07] <edmoore> and i don't have the musical insight that the great great performers do, and nor does she so far as i can tell
[15:07] <edmoore> i can just play all the right notes in the right order
[15:07] <edmoore> if you want her kind of fireowkrs, go to the source
[15:07] <edmoore> arcadi volodos
[15:07] <edmoore> search 'volodos turkish march'
[15:08] <edmoore> his take on mozarts famous theme
[15:08] <SamSilver__> cuddykid: try this for hinges - homemade - http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1033857
[15:09] <SamSilver__> oops
[15:09] <SamSilver__> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=906735
[15:09] <Darkside> edmoore: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGq8xDlXVDY ?
[15:10] <cuddykid> nice! thanks SamSilver__ :)
[15:10] <edmoore> yes that one Darkside
[15:10] <Darkside> oh jeez
[15:10] <Darkside> how is his little finger not broken
[15:10] <Darkside> i cannot play octaves that hard
[15:14] <Darkside> ok i'd better sleep
[15:14] <Darkside> nn
[15:23] <fsphil> totally failing to decode anything from arissat1's data signal
[15:24] <fsphil> bpsk1000 with lots of FEC, should be easier than this. though the doppler isn't helping
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[15:57] <cuddykid> my duct tape hinge for rudder works a treat!
[15:57] <costyn_> ducttape FTW!
[15:57] <cuddykid> yep!!
[15:59] <NickB1> a rudder for ?
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[16:07] <SamSilver_> afk
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[16:24] <SpeedEvil> Generators that won't start are annoying.
[16:25] <fsphil> outta juice?
[16:25] <edmoore> you have to call them in another expression before they run, SpeedEvil
[16:25] <SpeedEvil> I'm only about halfway down.
[16:25] <edmoore> /python joke
[16:26] <Dan-K2VOL> heh
[16:26] <SpeedEvil> But I've refactored the load somewhat - DSL modem now connected to battery, and using little android tablet thingy.
[16:27] <SpeedEvil> Reserving power for potentially tomorrow, when I actually do need to run the pump in the attic, or things may explode - if it's sunny.
[16:27] <Dan-K2VOL> what's goin on your area SpeedEvil
[16:27] <Dan-K2VOL> in
[16:28] <NigelMoby> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/03/lohan_thruster_update/
[16:28] <NigelMoby> hmmm
[16:28] <SpeedEvil> Lots of wind -> powercut that's lasted 8h so far.
[16:28] <NigelMoby> liquid fuel being mulled over....lol
[16:29] <Dan-K2VOL> sorry to hear that speedEvil, ought to make a sink hydro power generator to run your DSL and android tablet
[16:29] <Dan-K2VOL> and nigelMoby, is boffin a derogatory term? I presume that's a reference to scientists right?
[16:30] <NigelMoby> heh Yup
[16:30] <fsphil> not really
[16:30] <fsphil> depends on the context maybe, but I wouldn't consider it a negative
[16:30] <Dan-K2VOL> ok
[16:31] <NigelMoby> I've only seen a few take offence to it...
[16:31] <SpeedEvil> Dan-K2VOL: I actually have 2kW of solar cells.
[16:31] <SpeedEvil> Dan-K2VOL: however - not solar panels.
[16:31] <Dan-K2VOL> haha so are you now using matches to solder them all together?
[16:32] <SpeedEvil> I have no substrate to affix them to that's likely to take even minimal wind
[16:32] <Dan-K2VOL> aw
[16:32] <SpeedEvil> Well - I do - but I can't be arsed at the moment.
[16:33] <NigelMoby> pretty bad gusts up there I take it speedy?
[16:34] <fsphil> we lost a roof tile annoyingly
[16:35] <NigelMoby> Eek
[16:35] <NigelMoby> where did it land?
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[16:36] <fsphil> it hasn't yet, it's still on the roof - about half way down
[16:36] <NigelMoby> oh Blimey, get ya hard hats ready
[16:36] <fsphil> if it slides further it will land in the back garden, not far from my PV panels and satellite dish
[16:36] <NigelMoby> lol Omg
[16:37] <NigelMoby> roof tiles = gillatine blades
[16:37] <fsphil> just hoping it sits there until I can get someone up there
[16:37] <fsphil> was on the phone to them, they won't go up today as it is still too windy
[16:38] <fsphil> tomorrow morning at the earliest
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[16:38] <NigelMoby> fingers crossed it stays put then.
[16:39] <fsphil> someone else lost about six, so we where not too bad
[16:39] <Zuph> On the subject of alternative energy, I bought some neat little thermoelectric generators the other day.
[16:40] <NigelMoby> dam Uve been lucky.
[16:40] <Zuph> More expensive than I thought they should be, but they're neat.
[16:40] <NigelMoby> nice 1 zuph, cold fusion next? ;)
[16:41] <Dan-K2VOL> RTGs?
[16:41] <Dan-K2VOL> they would make ballooning power simpler
[16:42] <fsphil> mmm
[16:42] <Zuph> heh, Dan-K2VOL, get me some warm radioactive goo, and I'll make electricity out of it :-p
[16:42] <Zuph> Shortly before transitioning myself into warm radioactive goo, I'm sure.
[16:43] <NigelMoby> lol
[16:43] <Zuph> Company that makes them sells a kit that can charge a cell phone using ice or snow.
[16:44] <Zuph> Snow on the cold side, room temp air on the warm side.
[16:44] <NigelMoby> :0
[16:45] <NigelMoby> that reminds me of a peltier ?
[16:45] <Zuph> They're related devices, actually.
[16:45] <NigelMoby> Ahhh
[16:46] <Zuph> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_effect
[16:46] <NigelMoby> Oo Ta
[16:46] <Zuph> TEG = Seebeck Effect, Peltier = Peltier Effect.
[16:46] <fsphil> I've used a peltier cooler to generate a very small current
[16:46] <fsphil> also to make ice, which is nifty
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[17:36] <jcoxon> afternoon
[17:38] <Laurenceb__> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/03/lohan_thruster_update/
[17:38] <Laurenceb__> thats seriously poor
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[17:41] <NigeyS> its poor that theyre being advised to use 3 of them just to get 200m of travel
[17:42] <Laurenceb__> is they try to launch nearly 1Kg with 50g propellant what do they expect
[17:43] <Laurenceb__> they need a bare motor with some little fins and a nosecone on
[17:43] <Laurenceb__> thatd get to 100km or so
[17:43] <jcoxon> Laurenceb__, you'd never find it afterwards
[17:43] <Laurenceb__> gps on the front obviously
[17:44] <NigeyS> afternoon James
[17:44] <jcoxon> hey NigeyS
[17:44] <NigeyS> how is P6Mk2 doing?
[17:45] <jcoxon> yeah its working
[17:45] <jcoxon> just need to fix the pressure sensor and decide on my transmission schedule
[17:45] <NigeyS> ahh, what sensor you using, the bmp 085 ?
[17:46] <jcoxon> yeah
[17:46] <jcoxon> i was trying to avoid floats
[17:46] <jcoxon> so the code might not be great
[17:46] <NigeyS> ah right, was gonna say there a nice lib for it on the ladaya site iirc
[17:47] <jcoxon> yeah i'm going to try with that
[17:47] <jcoxon> might have to take the leap
[17:47] <NigeyS> you know you want to :P
[17:47] <jcoxon> but i've done so well not using floats
[17:47] <Laurenceb__> i have code on my gihub
[17:47] <Laurenceb__> for bmp085
[17:47] <jcoxon> link?
[17:48] <Laurenceb__> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Dactyl/blob/master/Sensors/bmp085.c
[17:50] <jcoxon> will have a play
[17:52] <cuddykid> glider so far - http://flic.kr/s/aHsjxDFm3K :)
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[17:53] <nosebleedKT> hi
[17:53] <nosebleedKT> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2081306/Scientists-study-ancient-Greek-pottery-improve-spacecraft-tiles.html
[17:53] <nosebleedKT> :P
[17:54] <Upu> dang you linked that site again
[17:54] <nosebleedKT> i can sell some pottery for your habs in good price :P
[17:54] <nosebleedKT> Upu: me?
[17:54] <Upu> yeah
[17:54] <Upu> dailyfail.co.uk
[17:55] <cuddykid> haha
[17:55] <nosebleedKT> lol when, just red it first time
[17:55] <Upu> http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/
[18:22] <jcoxon> NigeyS, ooo managed to avoid floats with that lib
[18:22] <NigeyS> hah awsomeness!
[18:22] <jcoxon> well it might have libs internally
[18:22] <jcoxon> i mean floats internally
[18:23] <jcoxon> but oh well
[18:25] <Laurenceb__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neRw5b7HVjw
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[19:01] <fsphil> checked the attic, no leaks. yays
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[19:05] <Laurenceb__> SpeedEvil: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__18562__Turnigy_5000mAh_1S_40C_Lipoly_Single_Cell_.html
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[19:26] <eroomde> Randomskk: https://github.com/kennethreitz/osx-gcc-installer
[19:26] <eroomde> dunno if you ever saw that or if it's relevent anymore
[19:26] <eroomde> but perhaps useful for next time someone comes up against the problem
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[19:33] <cuddykid> I think I've found the ultimate HAB autonomous return vehicle - check it out! -> http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/x8-flying-wing
[19:34] <cuddykid> price isn't too bad either - $179
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[19:40] <eroomde> cuddykid: i was gonna say
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[19:40] <eroomde> in your shoes, i'd be buying an off the shelf foamie to start
[19:40] <eroomde> and just try and get it controlled, in the knowledge that it's an aerodynamically sound design
[19:41] <eroomde> as it stands, you'll have a hard time differentiation between problems with your controller and problems with your aerodynamics/aerostability
[19:41] <eroomde> differentiating*
[19:41] <cuddykid> yeah, I have no plans to buy the wing, almost built the airframe for mine now :)
[19:42] <cuddykid> I think I'm going to have a lot of problems with aerodynamics
[19:43] <eroomde> it's a big subject
[19:43] <cuddykid> but as you say - it's probably not a bad idea to get something to have a play around with
[19:43] <cuddykid> I did have an rc plane in the past (foamie) though that had a little bit of a crash landing!
[19:45] <eroomde> they do that
[19:45] <NigeyS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FArMj1j0dSk
[19:45] <NigeyS> fascinating
[19:46] <eroomde> oh nice
[19:46] <eroomde> thanks
[19:46] <eroomde> i'll give that a watch later
[19:46] <NigeyS> :D
[19:46] <NigeyS> dual action suction pump, thought to be 20th C invention, invented 700 years ago :|
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[19:47] <Upu> well
[19:48] <Upu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism
[19:48] <Upu> this
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[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> hello everyone
[19:48] <Upu> and this is way more than awesome : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLPVCJjTNgk
[19:48] <Upu> hi Lunar
[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[19:48] <Upu> very well thanks
[19:49] <eroomde> well
[19:49] <eroomde> http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/YBC7289.jpg
[19:49] <eroomde> that ^
[19:49] <Upu> bear with me
[19:49] <eroomde> about 1000 years before we discovered how to calculate roots, some babylonian aspergersy teenager write root 2 to five decimal places on a bit of clay
[19:50] <Upu> The diagonal displays an approximation of the square root of 2 in four sexagesimal figures, which is about six decimal figures.
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[19:51] <Upu> www.tineye.com reverse search engine is quite good
[19:51] <eroomde> v impressive
[19:51] <eroomde> yeah
[19:51] <eroomde> very!
[19:51] <eroomde> it has uses outside of porn
[19:51] <eroomde> who knew
[19:51] <Upu> lol nooo never used it to "complete the series"
[19:52] <Lando-SpacePimp> I use it when my partners don't cite their pictures in their part out of our PowerPoint Presentations.
[19:52] <Upu> theres another use
[19:53] <Laurenceb__> lol
[19:55] <Laurenceb__> coddykid: yeah what eroomde said
[19:55] <Lando-SpacePimp> Upu: Like what?
[19:55] <Laurenceb__> try an off the shelf plane
[19:55] <Upu> other than porn Lando-SpacePimp
[19:55] <Laurenceb__> thats what i did, but it went into spiral dive
[19:55] <Lando-SpacePimp> Laurenceb__: Learn to fly it right.
[19:55] <Laurenceb__> noooooo
[19:56] <Laurenceb__> it spiral dived when i tried to do a hab launch
[19:56] <Lando-SpacePimp> Was their enough air for the wings to produce lift?
[19:56] <natrium42> there
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[19:57] <Laurenceb__> so the lesson is off the shelf ebay junk isnt guaranteed to fly well
[19:57] <Lando-SpacePimp> What's with all the HABs here? Don't people do sounding rockets too?
[19:57] <Laurenceb__> heh grammar nazi
[19:57] <natrium42> :P
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[19:57] <Lando-SpacePimp> natrium42: I just get up!
[19:57] <eroomde> Lando-SpacePimp: there is some rocket enthusiasm
[19:57] <eroomde> but it's mainly hab
[19:57] <Lando-SpacePimp> Get off my back!
[19:57] <eroomde> hab is why it was founded
[19:57] <Laurenceb__> eroomde: seen latest register fail?
[19:57] <Lando-SpacePimp> But HABs take forever to get to altitude, and they don't go as high.
[19:58] <natrium42> Lando-SpacePimp: but you said you'd pay me
[19:58] <natrium42> :(
[19:58] <Laurenceb__> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/03/lohan_thruster_update/
[19:58] <Laurenceb__> ~1Kg with 50gram propellant
[19:58] <Laurenceb__> what did they expect
[19:58] <eroomde> Lando-SpacePimp: habs go a lot higher than sounding rockets for: your money, your 3rd party injury risk, your legality, your number of possible launch locations
[19:59] <eroomde> by an enormous factor
[19:59] <Laurenceb__> yes, if you have a rocket that can get to 42km, you are close to suborbital
[19:59] <Laurenceb__> see stiga from armadillo
[19:59] <Laurenceb__> its not much of a step up to get to 100km
[19:59] <eroomde> you can't get 3kg of payload to 35km with a sounding rocket for £100, you definitely can with hab
[19:59] <Laurenceb__> due to all the atmospheric los etc
[20:00] <eroomde> i would say you couldn't get 3kg of payload to 35km with £10,000 infact
[20:00] <Laurenceb__> probably
[20:00] <Laurenceb__> small rocket from a hab on the other hand...
[20:01] <eroomde> mmmhmmm
[20:01] <Laurenceb__> they want to put a custom nozzle on the lohan thing
[20:01] <Laurenceb__> thatd improve isp a lot
[20:01] <Laurenceb__> well - ~215 -> 270
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[20:01] <Laurenceb__> with a nozzle on one of those
[20:02] <Lando-SpacePimp> eroomde: Huuuuuuuuuuge expensive sounding rockets can go higher than HABs
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[20:02] <eroomde> yes
[20:02] <eroomde> that is clearly true
[20:02] <Lando-SpacePimp> This is my favorite HAB, www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3P0KaF8F0A
[20:03] <Laurenceb__> is there any plan from CUspaceflight to do a rocket launch?
[20:03] <Laurenceb__> or is it hush hush
[20:04] <n900Evil> you mean a proper rocket?
[20:04] <n900Evil> or suborbital.
[20:04] <Laurenceb__> hab suborbital
[20:04] <Laurenceb__> that was the plan with martlet
[20:04] <eroomde> Laurenceb__: watch this space
[20:04] <n900Evil> hmm
[20:04] <Lando-SpacePimp> Naw, my favorite HAB is the SPB
[20:04] <Laurenceb__> ok :P
[20:05] <eroomde> sometime around may there's be a rocket launch
[20:05] <Laurenceb__> still planning on the crazy launch rail thing?
[20:05] <eroomde> oh not from a hab
[20:05] <eroomde> but to hab altitude
[20:05] <Laurenceb__> oh ok
[20:05] <Laurenceb__> wut
[20:05] <Laurenceb__> ok this sounds a little mental
[20:05] <n900Evil> carrying enough helium in a light cylinder to deploy and inflate the balloon at apogee may be hard.
[20:05] <Laurenceb__> lmao
[20:05] <eroomde> 25km is hab altitude right?
[20:06] <Laurenceb__> its clearly a small rocket with helium cylinder
[20:06] <Laurenceb__> and balloon inflated at apogee
[20:06] <eroomde> nope
[20:06] <eroomde> no helium involved
[20:06] <Laurenceb__> we know its true
[20:06] <Laurenceb__> :P
[20:06] <Laurenceb__> the helium on _on_ the rocket :P
[20:06] <Laurenceb__> *is
[20:07] <Laurenceb__> launch at ESrange?
[20:08] <eroomde> noop
[20:08] <eroomde> uk
[20:09] <eroomde> http://www.scottishrockets.com/
[20:09] <Laurenceb__> the cheapest accomodation rate as it’s before the hunting season
[20:09] <Laurenceb__> haha
[20:10] <eroomde> have a look at The Range tab
[20:10] <eroomde> it's seriously highlandy highlands
[20:10] <eroomde> and it's got a massively low population density
[20:10] <Laurenceb__> holy shit
[20:10] <Laurenceb__> thats huge
[20:10] <eroomde> i know right
[20:11] <eroomde> look at it compared to scotland
[20:11] <eroomde> it's going to be quite a big rocket
[20:12] <nosebleedKT> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16367042
[20:12] <Laurenceb__> multistage?
[20:12] <eroomde> 3
[20:12] <Laurenceb__> interesting
[20:12] <eroomde> N -> N -> M
[20:13] <Laurenceb__> provided you can manage to walk in a straight line then you’ll reach a road eventually
[20:13] <Laurenceb__> lol
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> hey nosebleedKT
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> happy new year
[20:17] <nosebleedKT> yo Lunar_Lander
[20:17] <nosebleedKT> habby new year
[20:17] <nosebleedKT> :)
[20:17] <nosebleedKT> do you know those CCC guys?
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:17] <Dan-K2VOL> I know a few
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> no,sorry
[20:18] <nosebleedKT> they are awesome
[20:18] <Dan-K2VOL> they are indeed, I really tried to go this winter, but funding was lacking
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> nosebleedKT: the guy who sells the geiger counter was there
[20:19] <nosebleedKT> lol
[20:20] <nosebleedKT> I have it on my plans to buy that thing
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> and I was in southern germany to help Raul
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> but we didn't launch together
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> but then he flew on Dec. 31
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[20:21] <daveake> Has Raul uploaded photos or video yet?
[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> not that he told me of
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[20:38] <daveake> He has gone rather quiet since the launch
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> I'll call him, wait
[20:38] <daveake> No hurry; was just curious
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> I'm curious too
[20:38] <daveake> :)
[20:40] <nosebleedKT> Lunar_Lander how is your hab going?
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> the arduino with sensors almost flew on Raul's balloon but then the radio circuit broke down
[20:41] <nosebleedKT> lol
[20:41] <nosebleedKT> what radio circuit ?
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[20:42] <nosebleedKT> brb, food
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> daveake: he doesn't pick up
[20:43] <daveake> ok ta
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> you're welcome
[20:48] <fsphil-laptop> woo, made an ntx2 make funky noises
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[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> xD!
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> does it play "I don't want to miss a thing"?
[20:49] <fsphil-laptop> not yet. just a siren
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:49] <fsphil-laptop> music comes next :)
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> Arduino 1.0 doesn't seem to support the OneWire lib anymore
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> and someone said that TinyGPS doesn't work either
[20:52] <Dan-K2VOL> Lunar_Lander, wait, you mean the Wire library?
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> no, the Wire library is included
[20:52] <Dan-K2VOL> oh
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> but there is a "OneWire" library for the Dallas temperature sensors for instance
[20:53] <Lunar_Lander> but in Wire they changed something
[20:53] <Dan-K2VOL> ah
[20:53] <Lunar_Lander> Wire.send and Wire.receive are now Wire.write and Wire.read
[20:54] <nosebleedKT> Lunar_Lander arduino ver 1 ?
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> yes, 1.0
[20:54] <nosebleedKT> dont go there
[20:54] <nosebleedKT> i tried, its bad
[20:54] <nosebleedKT> :P
[20:54] <nosebleedKT> it messed up my system
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:55] <Dan-K2VOL> that's interesting Lunar_Lander
[20:55] <Dan-K2VOL> do they comment on it?
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> I have 1.0 and 0.23
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> maybe someone already complained in the forums
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> I'll check
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> from November: http://arduino.cc/forum/index.php/topic,77746.0.html
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[21:15] <fsphil-laptop> okie, ntx2 is rubbish at doing music :)
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> xD!
[21:16] <fsphil-laptop> the startup time is too slow
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[21:17] <fsphil-laptop> sounds more like an excited duck
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL
[21:18] <fsphil-laptop> I'll take out the delays
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:18] <fsphil-laptop> see if the tune is at least recognisable
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:20] <fsphil-laptop> someone scanning the 70cm band is going to be hearing some weird crap
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:25] <fsphil-laptop> ah ha, if instead of turning it off I put the signal out of the band pass during a pause, it sounds much better
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[21:25] <fsphil-laptop> will try and get the notes right and make a recording
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[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:26] Nick change: 17WAAI5I1 -> n900evil
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[21:43] <fsphil-laptop> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/files/Record0_20120103_213736.ogg
[21:44] <fsphil-laptop> yea it's awful :)
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> my firefox opened it as a text first
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> the page I mean
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> (ubuntu 11.10)
[21:45] <fsphil-laptop> what about http://www.firestorm.cx/files/Record0_20120103_213736.ogg
[21:45] <daveake> Opened into VLC. All I heard was some wierd blips so I don't think it worked ... ;)
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> I clicked save page as
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> now I got the Ogg
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[21:45] <fsphil-laptop> I might do this on a flight some day :)
[21:46] <Upu> "always look on the bright side of life dee doo dee doo dee doo dee doo"
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> Mario Theme!
[21:46] <daveake> I did wonder about having Buzz yell "To 40km, and BEYOND!"
[21:46] <Upu> as you plummet into the north sea
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> is it
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[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> I think it is Mario
[21:46] <fsphil-laptop> it is yea
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop?
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> :) well done
[21:46] <fsphil-laptop> it's not really a good recital
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:46] <fsphil-laptop> the notes and timing is all wrong
[21:47] <fsphil-laptop> is/are
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> do you think it was bad that FF first tried to open the page and in text and it was all strange characters?
[21:47] <Upu> I'm going to mod my "life of brian" bottle opener as a audiable location device
[21:47] <fsphil-laptop> yea, you're computer will explode shortly
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> LOL
[21:48] <daveake> I have a Homer Simpson "mmmBeer WOOHOOO!!" bottle opener
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> at least I got ubuntu xD
[21:48] <fsphil-laptop> oh ubuntu, that makes your computer even more explodable
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> oh why?
[21:49] <fsphil-laptop> unity is flammable
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> xD you mean like really vunerable to malware or that it is shit?
[21:49] <fsphil-laptop> the latter
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> crappy sidebar sometimes doesn't work
[21:49] <fsphil-laptop> then again, I'm having as much hassle with gnome-shell
[21:49] <fsphil-laptop> but at least that's pretty
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> gnome was the former "look" right?
[21:50] <fsphil-laptop> that was gnome2
[21:50] <fsphil-laptop> gnome3 is different, ubuntu never used it
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:51] <Lando-SpacePimp> Lunar_Lander: ARE YOU A LOONY?!
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> I think when my laptop HDD broke
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> then I got ubuntu as a Live CD
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> might have been ubuntu 9
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> it was still brown
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> xD Lando-SpacePimp why?
[21:51] <fsphil-laptop> ah the brown theme
[21:53] <Lando-SpacePimp> Lunar_Lander: Because you're a LOONAR LANDER
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> xD no LUNAR
[21:59] <Lando-SpacePimp> Lunar_Lander: I LIKE TRAINS!
[21:59] <Lando-SpacePimp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHkKJfcBXcw
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[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> level crossings are interesting too
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