highaltitude.log.20111231

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[02:06] <Lunar_Lander> good night everyone
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[04:22] Nick change: soafee-chan -> spacekitteh
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[05:49] <Lando-SpacePimp> HOLY SHIT!
[05:49] <Lando-SpacePimp> COOL!
[05:49] <Lando-SpacePimp> Sounding rockets?
[05:49] <Lando-SpacePimp> How about those?
[05:51] <SamSilver> linky
[05:52] <Lando-SpacePimp> Kinky?
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[05:57] <SamSilver> was wondering if you had a link, url
[05:59] <Lando-SpacePimp> Link for what?
[05:59] <Lando-SpacePimp> You've never heard of sounding rockets?
[06:03] <SamSilver> sure I have, but I do not know much about them. Thought you had come across a cool site, so was asking to have a look see myself at what you might have seen.
[06:04] <Lando-SpacePimp> SamSilver: You like noctilucent clouds?
[06:05] <SamSilver> bugger you got me there, never heard of them
[06:05] <SamSilver> linky
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[06:06] <Lando-SpacePimp> Never...heard...of noctilucent clouds?
[06:06] <Lando-SpacePimp> http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2003/19feb_nlc/
[06:07] <Lando-SpacePimp> http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/25aug_nlc/
[06:07] <Lando-SpacePimp> http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/07/nightclouds/
[06:08] <Lando-SpacePimp> http://www.albany.edu/faculty/rgk/atm101/nlc.htm
[06:08] <Lando-SpacePimp> That should wet your apetittie.
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[06:40] <SamSilver> Lando-SpacePimp: stunning http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/wiredscience/2009/07/mike-hollingshead11.jpg
[06:40] <Lando-SpacePimp> SamSilver: Yarp.
[06:48] <SamSilver> Lando-SpacePimp: thanx for that bbl
[06:48] Nick change: SamSilver -> SamSilver_
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[07:59] <x-f> good this-year's-last morning!
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[09:45] <Raul_> THE BALLOON IS IN THE AIR! TRACKING RIGHT NOW AND CHASING IT
[09:45] <Raul_> already above 20km
[09:47] <Darkside> what tracking system are you using?
[09:49] <Raul_> Spot GPS
[09:49] <Raul_> at about 30km I guess right now
[09:50] <Darkside> no lock that high?
[09:50] <Raul_> lock?
[09:50] <Darkside> glad you opted for SPOT instead of sms trackers or something
[09:50] <Darkside> at least you'll know where the payload lands!
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[09:54] <Raul__> Back :)
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[10:30] <Raul_> How long from 20km to below 20 again do you think? 35km estimated alt, 6m/s ascent 7m/s descent
[10:31] <SpeedEvil> Atmospheric density about halves every 5km you go up
[10:32] <nosebleedKT_> http://www.bgr.com/2011/12/28/25-raspberry-pi-computer-is-as-small-as-a-credit-card-will-launch-next-month/
[10:32] <SpeedEvil> Terminal speed on a constant drag thingy about halves every 30km up.
[10:32] <SpeedEvil> err
[10:32] <SpeedEvil> 10km
[10:32] <SpeedEvil> nosebleedKT_: Doubt it
[10:32] <nosebleedKT_> why?
[10:32] <SpeedEvil> their recent beta board has errors
[10:32] <nosebleedKT_> a, you mean the date
[10:32] <SpeedEvil> They'll want to do another round of betas
[10:32] <SpeedEvil> Err
[10:33] <SpeedEvil> f=cd * ro * v^2
[10:33] <nosebleedKT_> it sounds very promising cause it runs linux on 700mhz processor
[10:33] <SpeedEvil> nosebleedKT_: Indeed
[10:33] <nosebleedKT_> and its like credit cards.
[10:33] <nosebleedKT_> maybe useful for habing?
[10:33] <Raul_> waiting for the SPOT to transmit again
[10:34] <SpeedEvil> nosebleedKT_: Very
[10:34] <SpeedEvil> nosebleedKT_: I'm wondering about other silly things
[10:34] <SpeedEvil> nosebleedKT_: For example - take a pi, and 4 or so wifi dongles.
[10:34] <SpeedEvil> nosebleedKT_: The 4 dongles are connected to different parts of a plane.
[10:34] <nosebleedKT_> :P
[10:35] <SpeedEvil> To do redundant comms back to base on whichever is strongest.
[10:35] <nosebleedKT_> wifi transmission it can be nice from habing
[10:35] <nosebleedKT_> i got lot of experience with linux wireless drivers
[10:35] <nosebleedKT_> atheros chipsets are at the top
[10:36] <nosebleedKT_> but still got no solution for a very lightweight directional antenna
[10:37] <nosebleedKT_> but i dont see any slots for wifi cards :)
[10:37] <SpeedEvil> USB
[10:38] <nosebleedKT_> a lol
[10:38] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultra-mini-nano-usb-2-0-802-11n-150mbps-wifi-wlan-wireless-network-adapter-48166
[10:38] <SpeedEvil> Take that, remove the heavy metal shell, put several of them on the airframe, connected to a stripped hub
[10:38] <nosebleedKT_> what tha f**
[10:38] <SpeedEvil> On the bottom end, point at it with a 1.2m dish
[10:39] <nosebleedKT_> 1.2m dish is many kilos
[10:39] <SpeedEvil> _bottom_
[10:39] <SpeedEvil> ground
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[10:44] <Raul_> in what circumstances the SPOT would stop transsmiting it's position?
[10:44] <Raul_> I'm in blackout for 1 h now after going above 20km
[10:45] <SpeedEvil> The GPS dies at >18km
[10:45] <SpeedEvil> IIRC
[10:45] <SpeedEvil> I think it resets on the way down
[10:45] <SpeedEvil> natrium42:
[10:45] <SpeedEvil> though he's almost certainly asleep
[10:46] <Raul_> should I be optimistic on re-taking the connection soon?
[10:46] <SpeedEvil> It will come back when it bursts
[10:46] <SpeedEvil> hopefully, and falls past 18km, and gets lock
[10:48] <Raul_> I've heard howyee balloons are harder to burst
[10:49] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[10:49] <SpeedEvil> One flew right over the US, over the atlantic, and fall in the med.
[10:49] <SpeedEvil> What ascent rate do you have?
[10:49] <Raul_> hope that dosen't happen! I had a 6m/s ascent rate
[10:49] <SpeedEvil> Shouldn't
[10:49] <Raul_> with 1.2 kg
[10:50] <daveake> Don't worry; it'll burst.
[10:50] <Raul_> And it was also soked in rain
[10:50] <daveake> If it's doing 6m/s it won't float
[10:51] <Raul_> A signal again!!! :)
[10:51] <Darkside> what alt?
[10:51] <SpeedEvil> :)
[10:51] <fsphil> you flying Raul_ ?
[10:51] <SpeedEvil> Spot doesn't do alts
[10:51] <Darkside> aww
[10:52] <SpeedEvil> So 18km - up to 5? minutes fall
[10:52] <daveake> Oh, thought Raul__ said "above 20km" earlier
[10:52] <Raul_> yes, it just started sending it's position again
[10:52] <Upu> we got a link ?
[10:52] <SpeedEvil> What's the reporting interval?
[10:52] <daveake> So is the alt just a guess?
[10:52] <fsphil> ah you sent up a spot :)
[10:53] <Raul_> It's on my spot gps account, it flown from Lauda Koningshofen to NE of Munchen
[10:53] <SpeedEvil> I guess the question is - does it hold off reporting till it gets a valid GPS signal, or does it just not submit the report if it has no valid GPS
[10:53] <SpeedEvil> IOW - is it at 18km, or at 10-18
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[11:12] <Raul_> Hey it landed! :)
[11:12] <Raul_> ina field near a small village
[11:12] <SpeedEvil> Woo!
[11:12] <SpeedEvil> You going to recover?
[11:13] <Raul_> It's like 100m from the road and another 200 from trees
[11:13] <Raul_> yep
[11:13] <daveake> cool
[11:13] <fsphil> sweet
[11:13] <fsphil> well done Raul_
[11:14] <SpeedEvil> Congrats.
[11:14] <daveake> +1
[11:14] <SpeedEvil> Any cams?
[11:14] <Raul_> I thought I lost the damn SPOT signal forever but then! you got new message... :):):)
[11:14] <Raul_> 1 GoPro Hero 1080p 1 Kodak Zx1 720p 60fps
[11:14] <Raul_> And a secret payload ;)
[11:14] <cuddykid> congratulations Raul_
[11:15] <Raul_> Thanks, but cuddy it was pouring outside when we inflated and launched the balloon:)
[11:15] <Raul_> 225km to go on the road now
[11:15] <Raul_> About 350 in total
[11:15] <cuddykid> oh wow!
[11:16] <cuddykid> hopefully you'll be greeted with some cracking pictures and video!
[11:16] <Raul_> 233km range in a streight line
[11:17] <Raul_> Yes, the video is the main payload
[11:18] <fsphil> http://www.uk.amsat.org/2011/12/30/arissat-1-getting-hotter/
[11:18] <fsphil> not long now for arissat-1
[11:19] Action: SpeedEvil plays the obvious track by Europe.
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[11:20] <fsphil> that song was such a lie, there where many countdowns after that
[11:20] <Raul_> damn seems like it wasn;t landed, now it's further away but still in a field
[11:20] <fsphil> someone might have picked it up
[11:21] <daveake> Landed on a cow
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[11:23] <Raul_> No, it's km away
[11:23] <Raul_> now even further S
[11:23] <daveake> horse
[11:23] <daveake> :D
[11:23] <Raul_> hope it damn lands soon!
[11:24] <fsphil> aah
[11:24] <fsphil> open top bux
[11:24] <fsphil> bus
[11:24] <fsphil> ah wait, field
[11:24] <fsphil> a lost open top bus
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[11:58] <jcoxon> morning
[12:03] <fsphil> g'day jcoxon
[12:04] <jcoxon> hey fsphil
[12:04] <jcoxon> any launches planned?
[12:04] <daveake> You missed it
[12:05] <daveake> Raul_/Raul__ is chasing his down now
[12:05] <eroomde> it was SPOT based so now spacenear
[12:05] <jcoxon> oh cool
[12:05] <eroomde> no*
[12:06] <jcoxon> i have a script for plotting SPoT on spacenear
[12:06] <jcoxon> should make it online
[12:06] <jcoxon> hey eroomde
[12:06] <jcoxon> hows tricks?
[12:06] <eroomde> tricks are good thanks
[12:06] <eroomde> had a good christmas
[12:06] <eroomde> now back in ox
[12:06] <eroomde> you?
[12:06] <jcoxon> yeah
[12:06] <jcoxon> good thanks
[12:06] <eroomde> oh, i just went for a run too. more, A Run rather than a run
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[12:07] <eroomde> in a sort of this-is-the-first-day-of-the-rest-of-my-life sense
[12:07] <jcoxon> hehe
[12:07] <jcoxon> i played some Kinect sports
[12:07] <jcoxon> does that count?
[12:08] <eroomde> it'll do
[12:08] <eroomde> i suppose
[12:10] <eroomde> any big plans for 2012 jcoxon ?
[12:11] <jcoxon> not really
[12:11] <jcoxon> work
[12:11] <jcoxon> applying for training posts right now
[12:13] <jcoxon> you?
[12:13] <eroomde> Well, my last day at work is wednesday
[12:13] <eroomde> and then....
[12:13] <eroomde> [blank]
[12:13] <jcoxon> hehe
[12:13] <jcoxon> not completely blank i suspect
[12:15] <eroomde> irc blank
[12:15] <jcoxon> you staying in ox?
[12:16] <eroomde> i think so
[12:16] <eroomde> for the time being
[12:24] Action: SpeedEvil decided to stop pissing about, and actually get my weight back down to what it was 6mo ago.
[12:24] <SpeedEvil> I lost control somewhat over autumn.
[12:24] <SpeedEvil> ~982Kg vs 75
[12:24] <SpeedEvil> 82Kg
[12:24] Action: daveake decides not to publish his current weight ...
[12:25] <daveake> But it's more than 82kg :D
[12:25] <Darkside> <-- 60kg or so
[12:25] <jcoxon> eroomde, currently working on picoatlas6 MK2
[12:26] <Darkside> jcoxon: the feld-hell payload was great fun
[12:26] <eroomde> jcoxon: oh awesome
[12:26] <eroomde> what's flying on it?
[12:27] <jcoxon> well its similar to the payload i flew a week ago
[12:27] <jcoxon> but that had 2xAAA
[12:27] <jcoxon> bring the mass up to 40g
[12:27] <jcoxon> this one has 1xAAA
[12:27] <jcoxon> so its about 28g
[12:27] <Darkside> cool
[12:27] <jcoxon> so we can go higher
[12:27] <jcoxon> also i'm adding a BMP085
[12:27] <jcoxon> for a bit of science
[12:28] <Darkside> cool
[12:28] <jcoxon> switched the freq to 434.200Mhz
[12:28] <eroomde> boost circuit?
[12:28] <jcoxon> i think its better for less noise
[12:28] <jcoxon> LiPower from sparkfun adapted to mimimum drop out voltage
[12:29] <eroomde> ah righty
[12:29] <jcoxon> eroomde, so yeah boost
[12:29] <jcoxon> Darkside, any other thoughts/improvements?
[12:30] <Darkside> jcoxon: whats your current draw?
[12:30] <Darkside> and what gps are you using?
[12:30] <jcoxon> Darkside, yet to attach the gps so not sure
[12:30] <jcoxon> fsa03-LP
[12:30] <jcoxon> so ublox 6
[12:30] <Darkside> hrm
[12:30] <Darkside> you want to put it into low power mode
[12:30] <Darkside> polled mode too
[12:30] <jcoxon> oh yeah
[12:30] <jcoxon> thats what i'm doing
[12:30] <Darkside> else its gonna draw a lot of unneccesary current
[12:30] <Darkside> cool
[12:31] <Darkside> given your transmit baud rate, you have a lot of time where the gps can be off
[12:31] <jcoxon> i'm going to experiement in whether i can turn it off during slow-hell
[12:31] <jcoxon> hehe
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[12:35] <x-f> on uBlox what's the difference between "power save mode" (1) and "eco" (4)?
[12:35] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[12:36] <x-f> hey, LL, you're not chasing with Raul?
[12:36] <Lunar_Lander> I read in the zeusbot logs that raul launched
[12:36] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[12:36] <Lunar_Lander> no, I went back home on the 29th
[12:37] <x-f> ah so
[12:38] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[12:53] <jcoxon> Darkside, first tests shows that it can cope with the initial GPS powerup
[12:54] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[12:54] <Darkside> jcoxon: its more what happens at low battery volts
[12:54] <Darkside> i.e. do you kill the switchmdoe supply
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[13:19] <SpeedEvil> And low temp too
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> Battery volts go down, impedence goes up, Rds(on) of switch FETs go up
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[14:57] <Lunar_Lander> hello again
[14:57] <Lunar_Lander> hi daveake
[15:02] <hibby> fucking massive folder this one :/
[15:03] <hibby> 10 minutes at 50MB/s transfer
[15:03] <Lunar_Lander> that doesn't sound good
[15:04] <Lunar_Lander> whoa
[15:04] <Lunar_Lander> 3 GB/minute
[15:04] <Lunar_Lander> 30 GB!
[15:04] <Lunar_Lander> and the speed is also awesome
[15:05] <hibby> between my two servers in different locations
[15:05] <hibby> no one else appears to be using the connection :)
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[15:08] <hibby> all ipv6 too :D
[15:08] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[15:09] <Lunar_Lander> so the new addresses so to speak?
[15:09] <Lunar_Lander> at RIPE NCC I read that ipv4 addresses are now running out
[15:09] <hibby> indeed
[15:09] <hibby> there aren't any more, last I heard
[15:09] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[15:15] <Lunar_Lander> "Now, we don't wish to appear fawning or unctuous, but praise where praise is due: you, dear Tyrrells eater, are special. "
[15:15] <Lunar_Lander> what does it mean exactly?
[15:16] <Lunar_Lander> they don't want to be somewhat, but still they want to praise the customer
[15:16] <Lunar_Lander> or so
[15:17] <hibby> they don't want to appear as if they are grovelling for your business
[15:17] <hibby> but they really appreciate your business and please keep giving them money
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[15:46] <Lunar_Lander> thanks again hibby, sorry wasn't monitoring the chat
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[15:55] <RAUL_> HELLOOOO!!!
[15:59] <x-f> hey
[15:59] <x-f> a successful recovery?
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[16:00] <x-f> :/
[16:14] <fsphil> lol
[16:17] <jcoxon> i reckon its recovered
[16:18] <jcoxon> wouldn't be caps otherwise
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[16:49] <cuddykid> lol @ raul
[16:49] <cuddykid> I'm guessing he didn't have a camera failure as per HABE1..
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[17:10] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[17:11] <Lunar_Lander> where are the people?
[17:12] <Lunar_Lander> I saw on the log that Raul was here some time ago
[17:13] <Lunar_Lander> he doesn't answer the cell phone
[17:13] <joph> they're all drunk!
[17:13] <fsphil-laptop> it's new years eve :)
[17:14] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[17:14] <joph> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pytYua_t-Ww
[17:14] <Lunar_Lander> xD!
[17:15] <Lunar_Lander> IIRC someone closed 2010 here with "happy new year"
[17:15] <Lunar_Lander> let me check
[17:15] <Lunar_Lander> no
[17:15] <Lunar_Lander> "[23:25] <Lunar_Lander> hello again 
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[17:15] <Lunar_Lander> [00:00] --- Sat Jan 1 2011 "
[17:15] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:16] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[17:17] <fsphil-laptop> as the person who doesn't drink, nights out are like that for me.like zombie movies :)
[17:19] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> or Gavin & Stacey?
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:23] <fsphil-laptop> we shall not speak of that :p
[17:24] <eroomde> ?
[17:25] <NigeyS> weeeeeeee
[17:25] <fsphil-laptop> lunar's fav show - I've never seen it, what I have where awful :)
[17:25] <NigeyS> eyup habbers
[17:25] <eroomde> i remember seeing 2 bits of it
[17:25] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:25] <eroomde> at the insistance of my sister
[17:25] <eroomde> 1) something about a curry order that turns into a rant from the fat one
[17:26] <eroomde> 2) something about rapping into a mobile phone in a supermarket car park
[17:26] <eroomde> also by the fat one
[17:26] <eroomde> i must stop writing in the style of Stewie Griffin's dialogue
[17:26] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:27] <NigeyS> eroomde, you appreciate good music ?
[17:27] <fsphil-laptop> Blast!
[17:27] <NigeyS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8VooHLASoY
[17:27] <NigeyS> turn it up, and weep :D
[17:27] <Lunar_Lander> hey NigeyS
[17:27] <NigeyS> hey kev :)
[17:27] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[17:28] <fsphil-laptop> you made me pause Encore un Fois for that NigeyS :p
[17:28] <NigeyS> hah yush!
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[17:28] <NigeyS> talk about an epic masterpiece
[17:28] <eroomde> i do appreciate good music yup
[17:28] <eroomde> i'm not sure if you can call a piece of music 1:52 an epic masterpiece :p
[17:29] <fsphil-laptop> you never want to see my playlist then eroomde
[17:29] <NigeyS> well, its epic either way :P
[17:29] <eroomde> I got the complete mahler symphonies (bernstein recordings) for christmas
[17:30] <eroomde> no *they* are epic
[17:30] <eroomde> i can't do anything else when they're playing, I have to listen
[17:30] <NigeyS> :o
[17:30] <eroomde> infact i displike listening to good music when I'm working, I think it anaesthetises your ear to actually listen
[17:31] <NigeyS> i tend to listen to that kind of music late at night in the headphones
[17:31] <fsphil-laptop> I quite like movie sound tracks
[17:31] <eroomde> here is berstein himself giving with a few notes on the ended of mahler 9
[17:31] <eroomde> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8YUIG3YgxQ
[17:31] <eroomde> you have to imagine the previous 40 minutes of epic and tumultous music. this is just the ending
[17:32] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[17:32] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gubPQcxenp4 :)
[17:33] <NigeyS> eroomde, wow, and 1975 to :o
[17:33] <eroomde> bernstein was a bit of a hero
[17:34] <NigeyS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HtCquBppTc
[17:34] <Laurenceb_> wazzzup
[17:34] <NigeyS> lovely choir
[17:34] <Laurenceb_> NigeyS: so choas conference are talking about launching micro comms sats
[17:34] <NigeyS> hey laurenceb
[17:34] <NigeyS> yeah i saw that
[17:34] <Laurenceb_> :P
[17:34] <NigeyS> talk about ambitious
[17:35] <NigeyS> sp*
[17:35] <Laurenceb_> heh
[17:35] <NigeyS> and an amateur on the moon... hmmm
[17:36] <eroomde> NigeyS: this is a bit like asparagus, perhaps not the easiest introduction to great russian piano music
[17:36] <eroomde> but
[17:36] <eroomde> sokolov playing the 3rd movement of prokofiev's 7th sonata: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azo68LgdqTQ
[17:36] <fsphil-laptop> clangers?
[17:36] <NigeyS> oo i think ive heard this before
[17:36] <eroomde> apparently written as a protest against war and soviet industrialisation
[17:37] <NigeyS> sounds about right, and how is he making that look so dam effortless!
[17:37] <eroomde> he's probably the best living pianist
[17:37] <eroomde> i would reckon
[17:38] <NigeyS> thats just pure 100% passion + skill
[17:38] <eroomde> and a bit more melodic from rachmaninoff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhLDse5R8dQ&feature=relmfu
[17:40] <NigeyS> ooo
[17:43] <eroomde> and finally, this is a massively vulgar bit of Liszt finger pyrotechnics. But still, watch from 1:10. She has pretty collosal technique: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJR0WF_vVmU
[17:45] <NigeyS> how the hell do you get ure fingers to move that fast?!
[17:46] <eroomde> practice :)
[17:46] <eroomde> I'm sure also they must have pretty unusual central nervous systems often
[17:47] <eroomde> there's a vid on the right of her playing a much more musically interesting bit of liszt that's also really technically difficult. she makes it look so effortless: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD6xMyuZls0&feature=relmfu
[17:47] <NigeyS> haha yes! its amazing to watch, and beautiful sound, cant go wrong
[17:48] <eroomde> well, enough youtubing for me. i tend to get sidetracked into multihour musically voyages of discovery when this happens
[17:49] <NigeyS> heh snap
[17:49] <SpeedEvil> The taxi-driver thing.
[17:50] <eroomde> NigeyS: but quickly, if you want epic, Rachmaninoff's 3rd pinao concerto is probably one of the most titanic orchestral pieces ever written. It's the piece that got me into classical music. One day I want to learnt o play it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh_09qSKNBs
[17:50] <eroomde> watch it when you have 40 mins to spare
[17:50] <eroomde> grab a drink and just watch and listen
[17:50] <SpeedEvil> The recent discovery that the hippocampus of people studying to be a london taxi driver enlarges in the successful applicants.
[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[17:50] <NigeyS> ahh thanks ed, ill bookmark it for later on when i can devote all my attention to it :D
[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> when you talk about taxi drivers
[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> I got this song by Jarvis
[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> "Don't let him waste your time"
[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1oMtwmTaNQ
[17:53] <eroomde> oh but NigeyS
[17:53] <eroomde> gah
[17:54] <eroomde> i just had to listen
[17:54] <eroomde> so in the first movement, which spans part 1 and 2 on youtube, there is a cadenza
[17:54] <NigeyS> oooo
[17:54] <eroomde> which is where, after the previous 10 mins of huge epic, the orchestra goes quiet and the pianist has a solo piano part
[17:54] <eroomde> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ky_zdaRz4E&feature=related
[17:54] <eroomde> it starts with the beginning of this video
[17:54] <eroomde> and it's just astonishing
[17:54] <NigeyS> awsome!
[17:55] <eroomde> goose pimples when he gets to the main theme chords
[17:58] <eroomde> and and NigeyS. finally, to add to your playlist, my favourite pianist, a granny called Martha Argerich who seems to be able to bewitch the piano. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsBzga6e7zQ
[17:58] <eroomde> ok i'm def going now
[17:58] <Lunar_Lander> I got another song
[17:59] <Lunar_Lander> NigeyS: this is thanks to Jessica_Lily :) that I may present this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ccCSmpVq20
[18:02] <Lunar_Lander> was made by people of her school
[18:03] <Laurenceb_> bunch of lancys
[18:03] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[18:04] <Jessica_Lily> lancys?
[18:04] <Jessica_Lily> :P
[18:04] <Jessica_Lily> old school, im in uni now :P
[18:04] <Jessica_Lily> just wanna point that out
[18:08] <navrac> anyone know where I can get an fsa03-lp from in the UK. Can't find any stock. My current ublox 6 based module one is a pig to work with.
[18:09] <Lunar_Lander> btw good question
[18:10] <Lunar_Lander> with my Venus GPS and arduino, do I need this logic level converter? http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8745
[18:10] <fsphil-laptop> the fsa03 from http://www.sequoia.co.uk/shop/product.php?p=807 is actually an fsa03-lp
[18:10] <fsphil-laptop> at least the last batch myself and others got where the -lp versions
[18:10] <fsphil-laptop> no guarantee though
[18:11] <navrac> thanks for that - I noticed its discontinued so I thought I was goig to be stuck - only 7 left and I need 5
[18:11] <navrac> didnt want to buy them all now though :-(
[18:11] <fsphil-laptop> they've been getting new stock, not sure how long that will last though
[18:12] <Laurenceb_> oi
[18:12] <Laurenceb_> leave some for me
[18:13] <Laurenceb_> XD
[18:13] <navrac> tried the antenova which is lighter and uses the ublox6 but destroyed one trying to solder it in
[18:13] <fsphil-laptop> I'm going to be trying to solder a ublox6 directly onto the swift boards soon. expect some destruction too :)
[18:15] <navrac> this was the one i tried - pad layout from hell, only a gram and a bit though
[18:17] <navrac> http://uk.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Antenova/M10382-A1/?qs=MM%252buZYzrCLvDIic9vE3%2fsg%3d%3d
[18:17] <Laurenceb_> what.. the.. hell
[18:18] <navrac> 1.1g
[18:18] <Laurenceb_> thats different
[18:18] <Laurenceb_> how did you buy one from the US?
[18:19] <navrac> http://www.anglia-m2m.com/GPS/antenova/pdfs/M10382.pdf
[18:19] <navrac> mouser sell them - £12 delivery - but someone brought me one over to play with
[18:20] <Laurenceb_> ah
[18:20] <navrac> so £33 al in - normally delivery in about 4 days
[18:21] <navrac> saves all the hassle of antenna placement and rf matching
[18:21] <navrac> but its quite long 43mm - looks shorter and fatter in the pics than it is in real life
[18:23] <navrac> I thik I'll wait till someone who is good with eagle does a library for it - I got the pad spacings wrong and destroyed it trying to get it to fit
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[18:25] <navrac> oops sorry spec said 43mm , turned out to be 24mm
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[18:45] <Lunar_Lander> again
[18:45] <Lunar_Lander> for the Venus GPS and arduino do need this one too? http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8745
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[18:47] <joph> you build this by your own
[18:47] <joph> you don't need a kit for that
[18:47] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> another stupid question
[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> I bought a piece of stripboard
[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> and I need to solder on the side with the copper?
[18:49] <joph> ?
[18:49] <joph> of course you should solder on the site with copper
[18:49] <joph> oder was willst du genau machen? ist eh kaum jemand anderst da, daher egal ;)
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> also ich hab diese platine gekauft, hinten sind die kupferstreifen
[18:49] <joph> jo
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[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> und upu hat ja erklärt, wie man den NTX2 verkabelt
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> und ich wollte das auf die platine löten, damit das nicht nur so im breadboard steckt
[18:50] <joph> okay
[18:51] <joph> erst mal gucken was ntx2 ist
[18:51] <joph> achso
[18:51] <joph> so ein transmitter
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> jas
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> moment
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> den schaltkreis hier hab ich auf dem breadboard http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[18:51] <joph> bei streifenraster arbeitet man halt damit, dass man die möglichst für die leiterbahnen ausnutzt
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> ja
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> so wie im breadboard in etwa?
[18:52] <joph> so in etwa
[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> ja
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> und ich hatte es halt, dass manchmal beim einschalten dann kein signal ausgesendet wurde
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> dann habe ich alles aus dem breadboard gezogen und wieder neu aufgebaut
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> und dann ging es
[18:53] <joph> kannst z.B. mit lochmaster planen
[18:53] <joph> http://www.abacom-online.de/demos/lochmaster40(demo).exe
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> danke
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:53] <joph> imho gibt es das irgendwo auch mit "keks"
[18:53] <joph> ich habs mit lizenz ;)
[18:53] <joph> aber nur v3
[18:54] <joph> bei der stelle mit der antenne für ich die leiterbahnen ringsherum auf gnd ziehen
[18:54] <Lunar_Lander> ja
[18:54] <joph> dadurch koppelt das nicht so stark auf andere signale ein
[18:54] <Lunar_Lander> ja
[18:54] <Lunar_Lander> und noch eine sache
[18:54] <Lunar_Lander> auf den fotos da hat er ja drahtbrücken
[18:54] <joph> jo
[18:54] <Lunar_Lander> danach hab ich im laden gefragt und dann hat er mir so klingeldraht gegeben
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander> ist das gut?
[18:55] <joph> zum abisolieren?
[18:55] <joph> bei platinen macht man die drahtbrücken in der regel unisoliert
[18:55] <joph> nennt sich dann silberdraht bzw. blankdraht
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander> und da auf dem breadboard?
[18:55] <joph> jo, da geht das
[18:55] <natrium42> joph: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfNByi-rrO4
[18:56] <joph> klingeldraht dürfte den richtigen querschnitt haben
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> ja
[18:56] <joph> natrium42, teuer ;)
[18:56] <natrium42> aber sehr cool
[18:56] <joph> aber so ist blankdraht schöner
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> ja
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> COOL!
[18:57] <joph> blankdraht gerade ziehen (ein ende in den schraubstock, das andere mit ner kombizange), je nach werkbank kann man da 0,5m stücke und mehr machen und dann in ein paar cm lange stücke schneiden, die halt passend in ein kleinteilemagazin passen
[18:57] <joph> so mach ich das immer
[18:57] <Lunar_Lander> ja
[18:57] <joph> ist die bequemste art
[18:57] <Lunar_Lander> denke ich auch
[18:57] <Lunar_Lander> letztens hab ich einen DC-Stecker an einen batteriehalter gelötet
[18:57] <joph> wobei für drahtbrücken 0Ohm widerstände cool sind
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> mit dem messer den stecker abgeschnitten vom batteriehalter und die isolierung abgeschabt und dann angelötet
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> ja
[19:01] <joph> ich frag mal einen kumpel, der dürfte alles für diese tinte da haben
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[19:15] <daveake> Any news from Raul_? Has he retrieved his payload?
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> no nothing daveake
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> only this
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> "[15:55] RAUL_ (52716250@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.113.98.80) joined #highaltitude. [15:55] <RAUL_> HELLOOOO!!! [15:59] <x-f> hey [15:59] <x-f> a successful recovery? [16:00] RAUL_ (52716250@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.113.98.80) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:00] <x-f> :/ [16:14] <fsphil> lol [16:17] <jcoxon> i reckon its recovered [16:18] <jcoxon> wouldn't be caps otherwise"
[19:16] <daveake> Sounds hopeful. No doubt his internet when mobile is even worse than at home
[19:17] <joph> actually looking at a receiver for 2m and 70cm :D
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:18] <fsphil> SSB or FM?
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[19:23] <joph> and of course transmitter ;)
[19:23] <joph> i'm making the license ;)
[19:23] <joph> just receiving is too boring
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[19:44] <kristianpaul> SpeedEvil: http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/Hardware
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[19:45] <SpeedEvil> Oh - interesting.
[19:45] Action: SpeedEvil recognises the name.
[19:45] <SpeedEvil> Oh - osmocom
[19:45] <SpeedEvil> Oh - that
[19:45] <SpeedEvil> yeah - I'd pondered making something like that - using that micro
[19:45] <SpeedEvil> I stalled though.
[19:45] <SpeedEvil> Interesting.
[19:46] <SpeedEvil> Add an atomic clock, and a frac-n-synth chip ($50 total or so) and ...
[19:46] <SpeedEvil> Oh.
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[19:47] <SpeedEvil> No, the one I was looking at seemed capable of reading the ADC with no FPGA
[19:51] <kristianpaul> and the DSP where was?
[19:52] <SpeedEvil> In the PC
[19:52] <SpeedEvil> SAW filter -> mixer -> ADC
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[19:58] <cuddykid> quick question - calling a function which is expecting a double, by passing it a float is ok?
[20:02] <joph> fsphil, both, but i'm thinking about an osmosdr which isn't expensive and a normal receiver
[20:02] <joph> oh, kristianpaul already linke osmosdr
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[20:03] <joph> *radio transeiver
[20:04] <kristianpaul> :)
[20:08] <kristianpaul> yeah i was hoing they setup the wiki since two months ago..
[20:09] <kristianpaul> hoing/hoping
[20:09] <kristianpaul> yeah ~150eur is not bad target price
[20:09] <kristianpaul> considering openess too
[20:14] <joph> funcube wasn't that what i wanted
[20:15] <joph> closed hardware and so on
[20:15] <kristianpaul> it seems some parts are under DNA but still the chance to replace firmware
[20:16] <kristianpaul> dunno the darkness or not of the manufacturing process
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[20:17] <jcoxon> just reading about this hackerspace global grid
[20:18] <jcoxon> "We want to build a distributed network of ground stations to receive satellite communications"
[20:18] <jcoxon> sounds familiar
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> A flexible SDR has all sorts of fun apps.
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> Especially one which could do absolute phase.
[20:19] <SpeedEvil> (or near-absolute)
[20:32] <fsphil-laptop> be great if they actually get to launch it jcoxon, but it's a huge huge project
[20:35] <joph> has anyone of you one of this? http://www.dealextreme.com/p/1-5-lcd-dual-frequency-multi-band-walkie-talkie-with-vox-flashlight-fm-radio-vhf-uhf-41983 http://www.dealextreme.com/p/dual-frequency-display-multi-band-walkie-talkie-with-vox-flashlight-fm-radio-vhf-uhf-41618 http://www.dealextreme.com/p/uv-200-1-3-lcd-3w-dual-band-99-channel-walkie-talkie-set-82074
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[20:36] <fsphil-laptop> I've used one of those joph, they're pretty good
[20:36] <joph> nice
[20:36] <joph> the 40$ one?
[20:37] <fsphil-laptop> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/baofeng-uv-3r-1-4-lcd-3w-136-174-400-470mhz-dual-band-walkie-talkie-black-109269
[20:37] <fsphil-laptop> I've used the bigger one (the first link)
[20:37] <fsphil-laptop> I own the baofeng uv-3r one
[20:38] <fsphil-laptop> it's great too
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[20:39] <joph> how it's be programmed?
[20:41] <fsphil-laptop> you need a usb cable to program it
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[20:46] <joph> connect through the 4pin jack?
[20:48] <fsphil-laptop> yea
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[20:52] <kristianpaul> joph: i have the uv-200
[20:52] <joph> and?
[20:53] <kristianpaul> its tranceiver is very limited but datasheets said you can use 200 - 250Mhz band
[20:53] <kristianpaul> i havent tried yet alternative firmware
[20:53] <kristianpaul> i bought it for other reasons
[20:55] <kristianpaul> and works for that :)
[20:55] <kristianpaul> tought was cheap,
[20:55] <andrew_apex> I have the uv-3r
[20:55] <andrew_apex> (£26 from ebay)
[20:55] <andrew_apex> 2W on 2m and 70cm
[20:56] <kristianpaul> yeah i think is previous revision thn uv-200
[20:59] <joph> what's better, the uv-3r or the uv-200?
[21:00] <kristianpaul> i read uv-200 fix some mechanical issues present in uv-3r case but i please confirm
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[21:00] <kristianpaul> ignore last i
[21:00] <kristianpaul> :)
[21:01] <andrew_apex> I've haven't had any issues with the uv-3r - it seems ok (although the build quality reflects the price)
[21:07] <fsphil-laptop> indeed
[21:08] <fsphil-laptop> also the lowest volume setting is still quite loud
[21:08] <kristianpaul> oh, yes, good point
[21:12] <g7waw> should the question about radios be what do you want it for and the rx side is always more important than the tx
[21:12] <joph> both
[21:12] <joph> rx and tx
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[21:15] <g7waw> ok about both are you going to need ssb ??
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[21:29] <joph> maybe
[21:29] <joph> but i can use multiple devices, that's no problem
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[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> well
[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> 1 h 15 minutes roundabout for europe
[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> and 2h 15 minutes for the UK
[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> until the next year
[21:45] <gonzo_> we get to enjoy it longer
[21:46] <gonzo_> (and get an extra hour in bed?)
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> I got a bag of Tyrell's crisps
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> and it says
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> "The Tyrells alternative five-a-day"
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> which is
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> A ploughman's lunch
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> A proper pot of tea
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> A token sit-up
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> A cheeky pickled onion
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> A hearty bowlful of proper English crisps
[21:52] <Jessica_Lily> :P
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> what is a ploughman's lunch?
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> and what does a token sit-up mean?
[21:54] <gonzo_> I do one sit up a day
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:54] <gonzo_> half when I get out of bed
[21:55] <gonzo_> and the other half when I lie down at night
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[21:57] <gonzo_> (just had a cheeky pickled egg, does that count?)
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> xD what is cheeky pickled btw?
[21:59] <gonzo_> just normal pickled, but with a twinkle in it;s eye!
[21:59] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> and the bag says
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> "Little in life is quite as glorious as the tangy hit of mature cheddar in concert with the wonderfully oniony twang of that most snippable of herbs, the chive. And if you like these, keep your eyes peeled for our magnificent vegetable crisps"
[22:01] <gonzo_> making me dribble!
[22:02] <gonzo_> oh, your earlier Q. A ploughmans lunch is cheese/bread/pickle etc
[22:02] <SpeedEvil> Invented in 1970
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:02] <SpeedEvil> (the ploughmans)
[22:02] <gonzo_> was it?!
[22:02] <SpeedEvil> Sorry - 60s
[22:02] <gonzo_> prob for sale in the new (FOR 1970) chain pubs
[22:03] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ploughmans_lunch
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[22:04] <gonzo_> suspect a farm hand would have the same lunch as just about any other worker
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> btw we in Osnabrueck have a small clubhouse
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> some british division
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> they have the poppy flower as a symbol
[22:06] <gonzo_> they have .mil history?
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[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> I think so
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> we had barracks and soldiers here in town
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> maybe it's for the soldiers
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> last night quite old men were in there
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> but there also is kind of a bar where some people around 30 sat
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> the house has a name that is "something legion"
[22:09] <gonzo_> the poppy is used in uk as a symbol of people lost, mainly from WW1
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:09] <gonzo_> british legion
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:10] <fsphil-laptop> urg, ate too much
[22:10] <fsphil-laptop> again
[22:10] <gonzo_> yep, they are one of the oldest charities that helped ex .mil people lost/wounded
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:10] <gonzo_> hehe, that's what xmas is all ablut!
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander> some people at a german TV forum were watching XFactor UK
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[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> and someone was asking why the judges (the men) wore poppys on their jackets
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> I think that was also in the end of Blackadder IV
[22:12] <gonzo_> nov 11th was end of WW1 and that is used as the day to rememvber those lost
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> when they were ordered to charge forward, climbed out of the trench
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> and the picture faded to a poppy fielde
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> -e
[22:12] <gonzo_> you get a poppy when you make a donation
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:13] <gonzo_> the fields in the somme grew poppies after the battles were over
[22:13] <fsphil-laptop> was reading up on that a while back, seems there are different kinds of plastic poppy
[22:13] <fsphil-laptop> depending on the country
[22:13] <gonzo_> makes sense, stops the tight arsed people from reusing the same one each year
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> you mean like the "colour of the day"?
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> I once heard that sometimes there is a colour of the day with a piece of cloth on the arm or so
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> and if someone wears the wrong colour he is an infiltrator or so
[22:15] <gonzo_> not heard that before
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> at least it is in the Terminator 2 novel
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[22:15] <fsphil-laptop> um
[22:15] <gonzo_> what's everyone drinking this eve?
[22:16] Action: fsphil-laptop had some pepsi
[22:16] <fsphil-laptop> I'm on the hard stuff tonight
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> and in the novel a kid runs around with a grenade launcher and wants to reload it
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> and a guy comes up and wants to help him
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> and then he sees that he got the wrong coloured collar and he fires at him
[22:17] <gonzo_> ditto, xmas usually results in lots of single malt whiskies for gonzo
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> and yea that guy was a Terminator
[22:17] <gonzo_> sounds more like the bike gangs here!
[22:18] <fsphil-laptop> all quiet outside, raining a bit so there might not be as many fireworks
[22:18] <fsphil-laptop> there's usually a fair few launched at midnight
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> they are already launching here
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> they even started at around 8
[22:19] <fsphil-laptop> tell them to slow down!
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> did you both watch Terminator 1?
[22:19] <fsphil-laptop> not recently
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> I still don't get why Kyle died
[22:19] <joph> Lunar_Lander, your neighbour? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=220593288021586&set=p.220593288021586&type=1&theater
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> he put that dynamite below the ribcage of the terminator and then rolled down the stairs
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> still he died
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> LOL joph
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> no that can't be my neighbour
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> he is very silent
[22:20] <gonzo_> not watched the termnator films for ages
[22:20] <fsphil-laptop> he was right next to an explosion, and he wasn't in a great state to begin with :)
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> yea true
[22:20] <gonzo_> it's started raining here, so thev firewards stopped
[22:21] <fsphil-laptop> rain is pretty bad here now
[22:21] <fsphil-laptop> I can hear it on the roof
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> but what I notice
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> +d
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> when the rest of the terminator crawled after Sarah, you could see that the fingers of the left hand were gone
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> I only noticed that last time
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> but logical
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> as it grabbed for the explosive as it went off
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> well
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> does someone of you watch X-Factor? that music contenst
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> contest
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[22:26] <fsphil-laptop> never
[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> last year they had a guy that they disliked at the forum
[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> he was called Wagner or so
[22:32] <gonzo_> X factor?!
[22:32] <gonzo_> no TV here
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:33] <gonzo_> and it's because of things like x factor
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> and also gavin & stacey=
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[22:33] <gonzo_> I have too few brain cells left as it is, can't risk them on that sort of TV!
[22:34] <fsphil-laptop> I still like my tv
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:35] <fsphil-laptop> not as much as I used to though
[22:36] <fsphil-laptop> ah, now that's a good idea: http://www.sandpiperaerials.co.uk/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=298
[22:36] <gonzo_> have too much to do, no time for TV
[22:37] <gonzo_> after a while you forget about it
[22:37] <gonzo_> I do watch the off documentary etc on the BBC website
[22:37] <gonzo_> but that;s on demand. Not having to arrange your life around the tv
[22:38] <fsphil-laptop> until stargate ended I used to watch a load of stuff on sky
[22:38] <fsphil-laptop> but nothing good replaced it
[22:38] <SpeedEvil> I use get_iplayer lots
[22:38] <fsphil-laptop> only good sci-fi shows are on the bbc atm
[22:38] <SpeedEvil> It's awesome.
[22:39] <SpeedEvil> 'Planet B' is entertaining - radio
[22:39] <SpeedEvil> Also lots of other radio stuff - Material World is usually worth a listen.
[22:39] <SpeedEvil> And 'more or less'
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> and Ruth Jones = hot
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:40] <fsphil-laptop> sky at night -- no other channel would ever do that :)
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> and Ruth Jones = looks good
[22:41] <fsphil-laptop> http://www.sandpiperaerials.co.uk/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=164
[22:41] <fsphil-laptop> aarg, it's £60
[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop: do you think you will be around here for about the next hour?
[22:45] <fsphil-laptop> nope
[22:46] <fsphil-laptop> heading out soon
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> no problem
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> you know what is strange?
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> I call Rauk
[22:46] <fsphil-laptop> back shortly after midnight
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> *Raul
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> and my phone shows "Calling Raul"
[22:46] <fsphil-laptop> you've still not heard from him?
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> a few seconds later it simply aborts and goes back to the main screen
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> no
[22:46] <fsphil-laptop> odd
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[22:50] <fsphil-laptop> ah, one of the grail spacecraft has entered lunar orbit
[22:50] <fsphil-laptop> sadly it has no cameras :)
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> YES!
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> I have to leave in 2 minutes
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> but
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> I called Raul, he just came back home
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> payload landed east of munich just between high trees
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> he didn't send my arduino but he got about 15 GB of HD video
[22:54] <fsphil-laptop> ah, good news
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:55] <fsphil-laptop> we thought the caps where a good sign :)
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> and ruining my chute was a good thing after all
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> living room time :)
[22:55] <fsphil-laptop> later!
[22:55] <fsphil-laptop> better run myself
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[23:51] <rs232u> is anyone here experienced with the rocket equation?
[23:56] <Laurenceb_> rs232c surely
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