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[09:40] <costyn_> good morning
[09:47] <Upu> morning
[09:49] <SpeedEvil> God moaning.
[09:54] <costyn_> SpeedEvil: hehe
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[09:55] <daveake> Morning
[09:56] <costyn_> I hate it when webshops have a clickable image for a larger picture, and then the "larger" picture is the exact same pic as the thumbnail meh
[09:58] <Upu> radioworld.co.uk by any chance ?
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[10:04] <costyn_> Upu: no some random construction site
[10:06] <costyn_> Upu: thinking of sending my antenna coax down the front of our house, but i'll need some not too ugly cable conduit ; not sure what to use yet; most outside conduits seem to be made of metal
[10:06] <costyn_> although there are pvc plastic ones, but they are too ugly
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[10:21] <mattltm> costyn_: You in the UK?
[10:21] <costyn_> mattltm: NL
[10:21] <mattltm> Ahh.
[10:21] <mattltm> Cant help you then :(
[10:22] <costyn_> mattltm: :) did you have a suggestion or link to website or ... ?
[10:22] <mattltm> http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/
[10:25] <costyn_> mattltm: thx
[10:26] <costyn_> mattltm: helps to orient; some sites are easier to find stuff on
[10:30] <mattltm> No probs :)
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[15:36] <eroomde> afternoon
[15:38] <costyn_> hiya
[15:38] <costyn_> pretty darn quiet here today
[15:38] <fsphil> pretty quiet all over christmas :)
[15:42] <eroomde> vep
[15:42] <eroomde> twas christmas afterall
[15:42] <eroomde> anyone get anything good?
[15:42] <NigelMoby> wow people are talking! hey ed, merry Xmas Mr.
[15:43] <eroomde> and to you
[15:44] <NigelMoby> I got a mixed bag this year, clothes, dvds, some new tools..
[15:44] <NigelMoby> u?
[15:48] <eroomde> kitchen stuff largely
[15:48] <eroomde> a couple of books
[15:48] <eroomde> and http://www.saleae.com/logic16/
[15:48] <eroomde> a mega toy
[15:50] <NigelMoby> poppies Nicey!!!
[15:50] <NigelMoby> err try oooo
[15:50] <NigelMoby> stupid autocorrect
[15:51] <eroomde> should b very useful this year
[15:51] <eroomde> infact there are lots of osccassions in the past when it would have been useful
[15:51] <NigelMoby> oh I bet, 16 channels to
[15:51] <eroomde> yeah
[15:52] <NigelMoby> nice bit of kit Mr, enjoy :)
[15:52] <eroomde> though more importantly, 50MHz on 4 channels
[15:52] <eroomde> so you can properly look at bugs when writing to sd cards at high speed
[15:52] <NigelMoby> Yup, that's impressive
[15:53] <eroomde> which will be mega useful
[15:53] <costyn_> eroomde: very nice that sampler thingy
[15:53] <eroomde> it's a cuter product
[15:53] <eroomde> they're obviously a fan of the apple school of design and marketing
[15:53] <costyn_> yes
[15:53] <costyn_> hehe
[15:54] <NigelMoby> hah looks a bit like a MAC mini
[15:54] <eroomde> but tyeah it's great, quite intelligent software
[15:54] <eroomde> it knows about most common digital prorocols
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[15:55] <costyn_> damn it sure is nice working between xmas and new years... roads are almost empty.. superfast commute
[15:56] <eroomde> nicer to be not working though :)
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[15:58] <costyn_> well yea but it's so quiet it's almost like not working
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[15:59] <costyn_> and still getting paid for it
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[16:01] <eroomde> true indeed
[16:01] <NigelMoby> hey James
[16:03] <jcoxon> afternoon
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[16:06] <jcoxon> eroomde, how was amstedam?
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[16:11] <eroomde> jcoxon: fine thanks
[16:11] <eroomde> was only a dlying visit
[16:11] <eroomde> flying*
[16:11] <eroomde> shocking weather
[16:11] <NigelMoby> rain?
[16:12] <eroomde> yep
[16:12] <jcoxon> eek
[16:12] <eroomde> and loads of traffic
[16:12] <eroomde> so justa bit meh
[16:12] <jcoxon> eroomde, did you see my crazy pico flight?
[16:12] <eroomde> really
[16:12] <eroomde> no?
[16:12] <eroomde> tell me
[16:12] <m0lep> About 3 inches in the last two days here... ;)
[16:12] <jcoxon> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[16:12] <jcoxon> have a look at the altitude graph
[16:12] <NigelMoby> Gremlins !!
[16:13] <daveake> jcoxon Did you figure out if it was rain or not?
[16:13] <m0lep> It's kinda bizarre hearing UK traffic reports on the BBC in Kenya...
[16:13] <NigelMoby> lol
[16:14] <eroomde> fucky
[16:14] <jcoxon> daveake, nope, but i don't think its rain
[16:14] <eroomde> what day was this?
[16:14] <eroomde> eve
[16:14] <jcoxon> sat
[16:14] <eroomde> htm
[16:14] <NigelMoby> Xmas eve
[16:15] <fsphil-laptop> it was an awful flight, he made us type in stuff!
[16:15] <m0lep> Weird! ;)
[16:15] <NigelMoby> lol
[16:15] <jcoxon> fsphil-laptop, you had fun!
[16:15] <fsphil-laptop> totally :)
[16:15] <NigelMoby> Uve given them all rsi James
[16:15] <jcoxon> oi
[16:15] <NigelMoby> lol
[16:15] <fsphil-laptop> what was the best range?
[16:17] <jcoxon> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/projects:picoatlas:picoatlasvi:rawdata
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[16:19] <number10> it was lot of fun (even for slow typers)
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[16:20] <jcoxon> thanks number10
[16:20] <number10> looking forward to the next one jcoxon - so you dont thing the first descent was rain - I wonder what caused it?
[16:23] <number10> thing == think - see how bad my typing is
[16:23] <jcoxon> you got the most strings number10
[16:23] <jcoxon> can't be that bad
[16:25] <number10> well I beat Upu at something at last! but I did have an advantage being nearer - that wont last long after he gets his yagi array setup
[16:25] <daveake> :D
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[16:26] <jcoxon> number10, don't worry we'll keep using a freq which has tons of noise around him
[16:26] <jcoxon> hehe
[16:26] Action: Upu murmurs
[16:26] <number10> lol
[16:27] <daveake> Or someone park near his hill with a transmitter running
[16:27] <jcoxon> Upu, how is something like 434.200Mhz?
[16:27] <Upu> if you've seen Grand Turismo I'm making the "grrr" noise Clint Eastwood makes through the whole film
[16:27] <Upu> checking
[16:27] <NigelMoby> lol upu
[16:28] <Upu> 434.200 is very quiet actually
[16:28] <NigelMoby> :o
[16:28] <Upu> 650 is fine
[16:28] <Upu> just 075 which is a mess
[16:28] <daveake> Won't be ;)
[16:28] <Upu> ordering the rotator tommorrow
[16:28] <NigelMoby> .075 is always a mess here
[16:30] <Hiena> Groan...Never ever buy french car. I spent the better half of the day in my brother in law's Renault Kangoo replacing the clutch cable.
[16:31] Action: daveake thinks "don't talk about French car clutches near me ...
[16:32] <daveake> Just got my Pug back after having the clutch replaced (8 hours labour), plus the slave/master cylinder assembly had to get replaced but Peugeot don't supply them anymore
[16:32] <Hiena> Ehem...Another victim of the french engineering.
[16:32] <daveake> Found one at a breakers yard
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[16:54] <cuddykid> does anyone know of a pyro parachute deployment system? (needs to be small to fit in fuselage of glider!)
[16:55] <eroomde> yes
[16:55] <cuddykid> if not I could make one - pyro, with plate and parachute on top is my thinking atm
[16:55] <jcoxon> there are some details on the wiki of something that steve put together
[16:55] <eroomde> well, i know a bit about deploying parachutes pyrotechnically
[16:55] <jcoxon> hehe
[16:55] <jcoxon> oh yeah
[16:55] <cuddykid> eroomde: oh yeah, your the man!
[16:55] <cuddykid> haha
[16:55] <cuddykid> jcoxon: I'll have a look :) thanks
[16:55] <cuddykid> eroomde: I'm guessing it's *very* hard to do
[16:55] Nick change: darknesslord_ -> israelzuniga
[16:56] <eroomde> depends
[16:56] <eroomde> if you mean a mortar, that's a lot harder to make reliably good
[16:57] <cuddykid> I just need a way of deploying a chute from this glider thing I'm building, hence I need a small compact mechanism
[16:57] <eroomde> ok, well there are a few things that will help you determine what sort of system you need
[16:58] <eroomde> firstly, where the parachute is going to be relative to the airframe and the flow at deployment
[16:58] <eroomde> secondly, the required parachute performance in terms of landing speed, rate of descent, glider landing orientation, etc
[16:59] <eroomde> there are lots of ways to skin this cat
[16:59] <cuddykid> ahh I see, hmm
[17:00] <cuddykid> currently plan to have the parachute stuff at the back so when chute deploys it will come down held by it's tail (nose pointing down)
[17:00] <eroomde> ok
[17:00] <eroomde> that's nice
[17:00] <eroomde> you always want to deploy downwind if you can help it :)
[17:01] <eroomde> do you have a tail plane on this glider and can it be mounted on it, or would you need the chute to be sotred somewhere near the CoG?
[17:02] <cuddykid> Planning to have chute near tail plane
[17:02] <eroomde> ok. if you think you can cope with with in terms of your mass distribution, that's good
[17:02] <cuddykid> (hopefully)
[17:02] <cuddykid> lol
[17:02] <eroomde> you can probably just use a simple mortar
[17:03] <eroomde> using hobby rocketry type setups
[17:03] <eroomde> but, put some thought into deployment of the parachute
[17:03] <cuddykid> yeah - I've been looking at the ejection canisters
[17:04] <eroomde> you don't want the parachute to be inflated prior to all the parachutes lines being taught
[17:04] <eroomde> that could end up trying to pull your tailplane off
[17:04] <cuddykid> will do, reasonably far off atm, but more than likely I'll be back on asking for help!
[17:05] <cuddykid> I had visions of that happening! - thinking that I might attach it to some sort of carbon fibre rod frame
[17:05] <eroomde> you just want to make sure the parachute is sensibly folded
[17:05] <eroomde> perhaps use a deployment bag
[17:05] <eroomde> and a breakout patch to pull the deployment bag off
[17:05] <eroomde> that's the cover of the motor. you use its momentum to pull the bag off
[17:05] <eroomde> obviously, you want to test all this
[17:06] <eroomde> there are lots of variables, it's not something you can design analystically on a napkin with much confidence
[17:08] <cuddykid> yeah!
[17:08] <cuddykid> thanks for your hep
[17:08] <cuddykid> *help
[17:09] <eroomde> np. i can find lots of old useful technical info fo you if you need it
[17:09] <eroomde> on chute packing inside mortars etc
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[17:36] <Raul_> Hi, anyone noticed the balloon flight predictior not working properly?
[17:38] <Raul_> Lunar_Lander here
[17:38] <Raul_> I"m with Raul here and we want to run the predictor for tomorrow
[17:39] <Raul_> but the predictor only shows the launch point
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[17:40] <x-f> Raul_, it works for me
[17:40] <x-f> try a different browser perhaps?
[17:42] <daveake> Seems ok here too
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[17:45] <Raul_> can you help us with a prediction for Lauda-Konigshofen Germany?
[17:45] <Raul_> ascent rate 5.5
[17:45] <Raul_> descent 3
[17:46] <Raul_> burst alt 35000m
[17:46] <Raul_> date:28th 9:15
[17:47] <daveake> Give me a link from habhub/predict and I'll run it
[17:48] <Raul_> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=66951a2b34a85161ccb13bc6f1e50e1219b64509
[17:51] <daveake> You're right, it doesn't work! I even transcrivbed the numbers into a new window and got the same
[17:52] <daveake> Strange. Using the same values but replacing the launch site with a UK one, it works.
[17:52] <Raul_> LL thinks it is a noaa error
[17:53] <daveake> Yeah. The wind data gets updated every 6 hours. Try again in a couple of hours.
[17:54] <Raul_> the general direction seems to be towards the Czech republic
[17:54] <Raul_> 200km
[17:54] <Raul_> after that the prediction goes 400km god
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[18:02] <Raul_> LL here again
[18:02] <Raul_> thanks daveake !
[18:02] <Raul_> we think we should cancel the flight for this week at least
[18:02] <Raul_> but
[18:03] <Raul_> I have to go home on the 29th, so no 434 MHz science downlink
[18:03] <Raul_> I prepared the arduino with barometer, thermometer and hygrometer but no GPS
[18:04] <Raul_> (they payload has SPOT)
[18:04] <Raul_> and thus no spacenear tracking
[18:12] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stihl-Childrens-Battery-Operated-Toy-Chainsaw-/270877296099?pt=UK_Home_Garden_GardenPowerTools_CA&hash=item3f118b85e3
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[18:23] <Raul_> will 95% helium work ok?
[18:23] <Raul_> is it ok to cut holes in the recovery parachute?
[18:27] <Hiena> Raul_: Cutting holes in the recovery parachute is necessary for the stable deployment and descent.
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[18:40] <Laurenceb_> cuddykid: got the servo working?
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[20:35] <mattltm> Can you guess what time it was when I took my remote tems sensor outside? http://dev.mattltm.co.uk/noderx/24h.php
[20:36] <fsphil> trick question -- it's still indoors and someone left the door open again ;)
[20:36] <mattltm> lol. Not this time :)
[20:37] <fsphil> it's pretty warm outside considering
[20:37] <mattltm> Just playing with getting mutiple data on one graph
[20:37] <mattltm> http://dev.mattltm.co.uk/noderx/test.php?n=2&i=10&l=60
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[20:54] <Laurenceb_> http://ghostnasa.com/
[20:54] <Laurenceb_> lmao
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[20:58] <russss> attractive site there
[20:58] <eroomde> there's a man who understands the subtle power of prose
[20:59] <russss> if by prose you mean <font> tags, then yes
[21:00] <daveake_> lol
[21:02] <Randomskk> haha I love the mouseover effect
[21:02] <NigeyS> dam my eyes!
[21:03] <Randomskk> http://www.ghostnasa.com/posts/008moonprize.html wow look at he email he sent google
[21:04] <Laurenceb_> http://www.ghostnasa.com/posts2/075endofnasa.html
[21:04] <Laurenceb_> pmsl
[21:05] <russss> $L$
[21:05] <daveake_> I can sense my brain deteriorating with every spelling mistake and font change
[21:08] <Laurenceb_> the oil spill idea seems sane
[21:08] <daveake_> Here's a good one - http://webpagesthatsuck.smugmug.com/gallery/6837311_tyvTi#440032429_6bJAm-O-LB
[21:08] <Laurenceb_> but itd have to be crimped over properly
[21:10] <Laurenceb_> talking of crazy stuff - https://www.arcaspace.com/
[21:22] <fsphil> daveake_, that make brain hurt
[21:23] <daveake_> mine too
[21:23] <fsphil> So according to quantum theory my box full of tangled cables could spontaneously untangle themselves at some point. *waits*
[21:25] <daveake_> I've waited 2 years for my garage/workshop/storeroom to do that. I think I'll have to force the issue tomorroe
[21:25] <daveake_> w
[21:25] <Hiena> Only if you count the Murphy law. The box should be turned on, the box should be running, the box should be do something really, really, really important, once a lifetime thing.
[21:26] <fsphil> "Dear Mr.Cox ... Regarding claims in your recent documentary ..."
[21:26] <Hiena> That case the cables will be unplugged and untangled.
[21:27] <fsphil> I bought a bunch of drawers storage thingies, just filling them up but half the stuff is all tangles
[21:27] <fsphil> tangled*
[21:27] <fsphil> finding things I didnt even know I had -- though most of them are broke
[21:27] <eroomde> fsphil: don't look at it
[21:28] <eroomde> a watched box of cable never quantumly untangles
[21:28] <Hiena> fsphil: use the old commie method: wound it to a piece of cardboard.
[21:28] <eroomde> as the old wive's saying goes
[21:28] <fsphil> good advice
[21:28] <eroomde> in our theatre we had one left hander
[21:28] <eroomde> who would often coil the cables
[21:28] <eroomde> this gave them a coily polarity
[21:29] <fsphil> haha
[21:29] <eroomde> so when a normal person tried to coil them, they would wryth themselves into messy figures of eight
[21:29] <daveake_> lol
[21:29] <eroomde> and would not come away cleanly if you just pulled from one end
[21:30] <eroomde> it was very annoying
[21:30] <eroomde> the moral was, don't let lefties do anything
[21:35] <daveake_> Or make them do all of it
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[21:39] <NigeyS> evening Steve
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[21:47] <cuddykid> Laurenceb_: can't find a capacitor :( will report back when I've tried it :)
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[22:01] <Laurenceb_> grab something broken and nick one
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