highaltitude.log.20111224

[00:13] <jcoxon> right, time for some sleep
[00:13] <jcoxon> will review the winds in the morning
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[07:19] <jcoxon> morning
[07:20] <Darkside> hey jcoxon
[07:20] <Darkside> i'm looking forward to the launch :-)
[07:21] <Darkside> i'm hoping to get on a globaltuner and have a listen
[07:21] <jcoxon> the ones in Kent might be useful for that
[07:21] <jcoxon> though be warned the payload is heavier then planned
[07:21] <Darkside> where are you launching from?
[07:21] <jcoxon> so it might not go that high
[07:21] <Darkside> ahh ok
[07:21] <jcoxon> 52.1215 0.8078
[07:21] <jcoxon> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=68d96ffe210efde57a037d33d3961f4a00ba4b8e
[07:22] <Darkside> what TX chip are you using again?
[07:22] <jcoxon> RFM22
[07:22] <Darkside> aha ok
[07:22] <Darkside> what output power?
[07:22] <Darkside> 10mW or higher?
[07:22] <jcoxon> set to 10mW
[07:23] <Darkside> bah :P
[07:23] <Darkside> cmon, 20dBm it up
[07:23] <Darkside> nobody will know
[07:23] <jcoxon> i'm tempted to do
[07:24] <jcoxon> if(lon > 1.5) { increase to 17dbm}
[07:24] <Darkside> haha
[07:24] <jcoxon> but i'd worry about power requirements
[07:24] <Darkside> yeah
[07:24] <jcoxon> nah i'll stick to 10mW
[07:24] <Darkside> well it should be interesting to see how it works
[07:24] <jcoxon> it makes it a fair comparison
[07:24] <jcoxon> or atleast fairer
[07:25] <Darkside> mmm
[07:25] <Darkside> i'll have to try a HF feld-hell payload at some point
[07:26] <jcoxon> yeah that would be fun
[07:26] <jcoxon> also get to test my terrible php interface
[07:26] <Darkside> i've got it working atm :P
[07:26] <Darkside> just low power
[07:26] <Darkside> <1mW output
[07:26] <jcoxon> whether its possible to get people to transcribe the data manually
[07:26] <Darkside> yeah that'll be interesting
[07:26] <jcoxon> Darkside, i've now got a lipower
[07:26] <Darkside> cool
[07:26] <jcoxon> so i've got the kit for a MK2 of this
[07:27] <Darkside> modify the resistors
[07:27] <Darkside> else it'll drop out at 2.6v
[07:27] <jcoxon> only arrived yesterday so its not onboard
[07:27] <jcoxon> yeah read a good article about that
[07:27] <Darkside> cool
[07:27] <Darkside> theone we use on our APRS payload cuts out at 1V i think
[07:27] <Darkside> no wait, i think its 2V actually
[07:27] <Darkside> you have to be careful with it, if you go too low too much curent gets drawn through chip and you blow it up
[07:28] <jcoxon> eek
[07:28] <Darkside> this is waht the low voltage cutoff is for
[07:28] <Darkside> go read the datasheet
[07:28] <Darkside> the trick is that yes, it can give you 3.3v output with a 0.8v input, but if you want 100mA of 3.3v, you need over an amp at 0.8V
[07:28] <Darkside> or something like that
[07:29] <Darkside> and the FET switch inside the TPS chip is only rated at a certainc urrent
[07:37] <jcoxon> well we'l try that next
[07:41] <jcoxon> if this floats (ha) then we might need to recruit some continental listeners
[07:41] <SpeedEvil> hey
[07:41] <jcoxon> hey SpeedEvil
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[08:24] <jcoxon> bbl
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[08:29] <Upu> morning
[08:29] <number10> morning
[08:31] <NigelMoby> Weee its Xmas eve Yey!!
[08:33] <Upu> no no no
[08:33] <Upu> its grab a global tuner day
[08:33] <NigelMoby> lol
[08:36] <number10> Darkside will be doing that with your login
[08:41] <mattltm> Morning :)
[08:41] <NigelMoby> Moooorning
[08:42] <Upu> most likely yes
[09:04] <Darkside> crap got an hour
[09:04] <Darkside> ok
[09:05] <Darkside> having a late dinner here
[09:05] <Darkside> will hopefully beback in time
[09:05] <Darkside> if i dont check in then someone else do it
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[09:09] <Dutch-Mill-mob> 
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[09:15] <costyn_> hello
[09:16] <SpeedEvil> Hello.
[09:16] <costyn_> anyone have a habhun prediction link for today's flight
[09:16] <costyn_> ?
[09:16] <costyn_> habhub
[09:16] <costyn_> nevermind
[09:16] <costyn_> I see it in the scrollback
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[09:21] <Dutch-Mill> Morning Y'all wahts the prediction for PicoAtlas ?
[09:21] <costyn_> Dutch-Mill: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=68d96ffe210efde57a037d33d3961f4a00ba4b8e
[09:21] <Dutch-Mill> oke thankz
[09:22] <costyn_> Dutch-Mill: I have all the bits in house to be able to listen in, haven't had the time to climb the roof and install the antenna and most challenging, route the coax
[09:23] <Dutch-Mill> Yep ... what kind of coax ?
[09:24] <costyn_> Dutch-Mill: aircell-7
[09:24] <costyn_> i want to send it down one of the ventilation ducts going into the kitchen area; then route it underneath the floor towards the living room; that'll be the neatest but also the most work :)
[09:26] <Dutch-Mill> Thats oke I'm using it toe...your on a nice antenna level i see ?
[09:26] <Dutch-Mill> too
[09:26] <costyn_> Dutch-Mill: what do you mean antenna level?
[09:26] <Dutch-Mill> de hoogte
[09:27] <costyn_> ah yea... antenna mast is on a small chinmey on top of 2nd floor, so i have line-of-sight to the horizon in most directions
[09:27] <gonzo_> do you have a preamp up there somewhere?
[09:28] <gonzo_> (mornin all btw)
[09:28] <costyn_> gonzo_: no... will I need it?
[09:28] <Dutch-Mill> oke I'm curious how it works
[09:28] <costyn_> yea me to... antenna is a Icom Ah-7000 discone
[09:28] <gonzo_> it does help
[09:28] <Dutch-Mill> Costyn_ : i'm out for 30 mins..see Y
[09:28] <costyn_> Dutch-Mill: cya
[09:29] <costyn_> gonzo_: i'll have to check the attenuation figures when I finally install the cable to see how much loss I'm getting
[09:29] <gonzo_> does not need to be the most expensive ultra low noise preamp
[09:30] <gonzo_> coax loss does mount up
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[09:30] <costyn_> i'd rather not add the pre-amp if not necessary; getting power up there will be yet another challenge
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[09:30] <gonzo_> I have 42mtrs of rg213 and at 70cm, that is at least 6dB
[09:30] <jcoxon> hey
[09:31] <mattltm> hi jcoxon :)
[09:31] <gonzo_> just put it as close as poss to the antenna, but inside the house if that's easier
[09:31] <gonzo_> could feed power up the coax
[09:31] <fsphil> morning all
[09:31] <costyn_> gonzo_: ok... I shouldn't be using more than about 15m of aircell-7
[09:31] <costyn_> gonzo_: ah good to know that is a possibility
[09:32] <gonzo_> my preamps (and transmit amps) are all in the shed at the bottom of the garden, close to the antennas
[09:35] <costyn_> my garden is not hat big and not suitable for placing antenna's :)
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[09:35] <gonzo_> mine are all for satellite monitoring, so only low down
[09:37] <costyn_> ah ok
[09:38] <fsphil> that's why I'm putting my tracker on the shed, plenty of sky. but a bit useless for hab'ing
[09:39] <gonzo_> mornin phil
[09:40] <jcoxon> okay found my first bug
[09:40] <jcoxon> server side
[09:40] <jcoxon> don't panic
[09:40] <gonzo_> costyn, that aircell would still be aproaching 3db loss. If you can route the coax to somewhere that you can site a preamp, loft etc, you can always add one later.
[09:41] <gonzo_> that 3db could be the difference between getting a weak signal and not
[09:41] Action: fsphil panics
[09:42] <gonzo_> and obviously use decent connectors (no PL259's!)
[09:42] <fsphil> my colinear needs those plugs :(
[09:43] <gonzo_> mine too, so just one in the system (shhh, don't tell!)
[09:43] <fsphil> I've three at the moment
[09:43] <gonzo_> and the radio has one for VHF that I've not replaced yet
[09:43] <fsphil> to join the rg213 in the attic to the smaller cable to my room, I used two pl259's and a coupler
[09:44] <gonzo_> I file the flange on an n type to an oval to fit
[09:44] <gonzo_> if you have a preampm you can get away with lots of bodges
[09:44] <gonzo_> I use CT100 sat tv cable for RX downleads
[09:44] <fsphil> yep :)
[09:45] <fsphil> I've got some N sockets and N plugs, I'll replace my PL259<>PL259 bit over the holiday
[09:45] <costyn_> gonzo_: well i have one pl259 on the back of my 817 ; the other to the antenna is n connector. unfortunatley the 1st and 2nd floors are my upstair's neighbors so no place to put anything really
[09:45] <gonzo_> not even 50ohm, but that'snot a prob. All the noise figure (well the overrifing term) is at the antenna
[09:45] <costyn_> why are pl259's worse than n-connectors?
[09:46] <costyn_> pico is on the map
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[09:46] <gonzo_> they are non constant impeadence, meaning , the impeadence is different as you treven along the connector
[09:46] <fsphil> "The reasons for the popularity of the UHF connector is its ease of assembly" .. lol, wikipedia
[09:46] <gonzo_> causes missmatch (especially at higher frequencies)
[09:47] <gonzo_> ah yep, they are mechanically nasty too
[09:47] <jcoxon> map check please
[09:47] <gonzo_> some clamp types are better but overall all an N type is far better. Even a cheap one
[09:47] <fsphil> jcoxon, you're on it .. as well as steve's car
[09:47] <fsphil> 52.12072,0.81381 and 115m alt
[09:48] <gonzo_> rgr see both
[09:48] <fsphil> how long is your string? this could be fun typing these in fast enough :)
[09:50] <jcoxon> there is a example on the wiki
[09:51] <fsphil> brb, breakfast
[09:52] <jcoxon> launch in 15mins
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[09:59] <jcoxon> up
[09:59] <jcoxon> get listenning
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[10:04] <M1ELR> Do we have launch? or just inflation/
[10:04] <jcoxon> yeah
[10:04] <number10> RECEIVING BUT MY TYPING IS MAD
[10:04] <jcoxon> launch
[10:04] <jcoxon> is data getting on the map
[10:04] <number10> got 81 and 82
[10:05] <M1ELR> I don't see any map update?
[10:06] <jcoxon> hmmm it must be a server issue
[10:06] <jcoxon> damn
[10:06] <M1ELR> Last update for Pico 09:39 from M6JCX.
[10:06] <jcoxon> PICO,85,100312,5212717,84165,171*09
[10:08] <jcoxon> there we go
[10:08] <M1ELR> updating now, well done.
[10:09] <Darkside> ok
[10:09] <number10> keep getting checksum failed
[10:09] <jcoxon> it must be a bug
[10:09] <jcoxon> i know what it is
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[10:10] <mattltm> Loads of interferance on 434.000 here :(
[10:11] <Upu> snap
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[10:11] <number10> PICO,90,100920,5213070,89953,338*0E
[10:11] <Darkside> i hear it on folkestone
[10:11] <fsphil> how's the text looking?
[10:12] <jcoxon> i need to get somewhere warm
[10:12] <jcoxon> so will relocate
[10:12] <Darkside> working fine
[10:12] <Darkside> wheres the page again
[10:12] <Darkside> to submit
[10:12] <jcoxon> also can some fix my bug
[10:12] <Upu> http://habhub.org/files/picoatlas/
[10:12] <jcoxon> /var/www/default/files/picoatlas
[10:12] <jcoxon> basically its uppercasing the checksum
[10:12] <jcoxon> but losing the number
[10:12] <jcoxon> fingers are too cold to type to fix it
[10:12] <Upu> lol
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[10:13] <Darkside> cant tell 1s or 7s apart well
[10:13] <Darkside> pico,92,101127,5212937,92639,389*0C
[10:13] <Darkside> i think thats whati got
[10:14] <Upu> I have some sort of carrier slap bang in the middle of 434.000
[10:14] <jcoxon> okay
[10:14] <jcoxon> i'm relocating
[10:14] <Darkside> checkfum failed again
[10:14] <jcoxon> back in 20
[10:14] <Upu> what dial frequency Darkside ?
[10:14] <nosebleedKT> ok, got a question. the radio specs say it needs 120mA. What if I power it with constant 100mA?
[10:14] <Darkside> 434.003
[10:15] <nosebleedKT> actually its 5v/120mA and I give it 5v/100mA
[10:15] <Darkside> nosebleedKT: what radio
[10:15] <Darkside> nosebleedKT: it will suck the current anyway
[10:15] <nosebleedKT> radiometrix VHF
[10:16] <Darkside> nosebleedKT: make sure you can supply enough current
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[10:16] <nosebleedKT> my power source outputs 5v/100mA
[10:16] <Darkside> then get a better power source
[10:16] <Mike_G0MJW> Please remind me where the software is
[10:16] <nosebleedKT> I need a technical answer dude :P
[10:16] <Darkside> nosebleedKT: serious
[10:16] <Upu> https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi
[10:17] <Darkside> if oyn dont supply enough current it won't operate properly
[10:17] <nosebleedKT> Darkside: will destroy the radio ?
[10:17] <Darkside> you will get supply rail sags, which could cause othe rproblems
[10:17] <Darkside> no
[10:17] <Upu> https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/downloads
[10:17] <Mike_G0MJW> Binary - thanks
[10:17] <Darkside> you will find your power rail sagging
[10:18] <Darkside> yeah im having trouble discerning 1 from 7 here
[10:18] <Darkside> i've got a bunch of strings ready to go in tho
[10:19] <Darkside> hey checksum worked
[10:20] <Darkside> submitted a few then
[10:21] <Upu> be a little while before I can hear it I suspect
[10:21] <junderwood> altitude, anyone?
[10:21] <Upu> 463m
[10:21] <Darkside> 500m or so
[10:22] <junderwood> need another 1000 before it's worth me listening
[10:22] <Darkside> pico,100,102001,5210709,108291,533*03
[10:23] <Darkside> hmm thats failed
[10:23] <Darkside> i lost a bit of it
[10:23] <number10> PICO,100,102001,521075,103291,5333*03
[10:23] <number10> checksum failed
[10:23] <junderwood> dial freq?
[10:23] <Darkside> nosebleedKT: get rid of a 3
[10:24] <Darkside> 574m altitude
[10:24] <Darkside> frack checksum fail again
[10:26] <gonzo_> if the sum fails, will the server still record the entries?
[10:26] <Darkside> dont think so
[10:26] <Darkside> im writing all of mine down
[10:26] <Darkside> well, in a text document
[10:26] <Darkside> 625m
[10:27] <Darkside> friccing checksum fial
[10:27] <danielsaul> morning
[10:27] <danielsaul> What frequency are we on?
[10:28] <Darkside> 434.003
[10:28] <Darkside> or thereabouts
[10:28] <danielsaul> Yep, can hear it
[10:28] <danielsaul> thanks
[10:28] <danielsaul> now to work out how to decode it... :)
[10:28] <Darkside> use slow hell
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[10:29] <Darkside> 706m
[10:29] <Darkside> got one
[10:29] <Darkside> i dont see it updating though
[10:29] <Darkside> yeah its not appearing on the map
[10:31] <Darkside> 760m
[10:32] <junderwood> thanks for freq
[10:33] <Mike_G0MJW> So we are on 434.003?
[10:33] <number10> yep
[10:33] <Mike_G0MJW> Nothing here yet
[10:34] <Darkside> its still not updating to spacenearus
[10:34] <Darkside> but i'm decoding
[10:34] <Darkside> PICO,110,103114,5206648,115445,840*08
[10:34] <Darkside> last line i have
[10:34] <Mike_G0MJW> Noisy frequency....
[10:34] <number10> PICO,111,103130,5206551,115721,850*04 - checksum ok
[10:35] <danielsaul> What mode should the radio be? USB or LSB? Or doesn't it matter?
[10:35] <Darkside> doesnt matter
[10:35] <danielsaul> Ok
[10:35] <Mike_G0MJW> Does matter!
[10:35] <Mike_G0MJW> USB
[10:35] <Darkside> 914m
[10:36] <Darkside> so is there noone here that can tell us whats going on with spacenearyus?
[10:36] <Darkside> we're submitting sentences and its not showing up
[10:37] <Darkside> crap its fading out here
[10:38] <Darkside> 945m altitude
[10:38] <Darkside> couldnt make out the entire sentence tho
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[10:39] <jcoxon_> back
[10:40] <jcoxon_> sorry about that
[10:40] <Darkside> jcoxon_: i'm getting valid decodes byt its not updating
[10:40] <Mike_G0MJW> Still nothing on 434.003
[10:40] <Darkside> 954m
[10:40] <jcoxon_> Darkside, i'm home now
[10:40] <jcoxon_> give me 1 min
[10:40] <Darkside> that passed checksum
[10:41] <Upu> Jehovah's Witness Army just invaded my street
[10:41] <jcoxon_> okay
[10:41] <jcoxon_> done
[10:41] <jcoxon_> no checksum currently
[10:41] <Darkside> im gonna switch this thing to CW mode
[10:41] <Darkside> might help with the fading
[10:41] <cuddykid> lol Upu
[10:41] <junderwood> nothing herre
[10:41] <Darkside> jcoxon_: its not so much the checksumming
[10:41] <Darkside> as it not updating to spacenear.us
[10:42] <Darkside> the checksums are passing
[10:42] <Darkside> jcoxon_: actually bring the checksum back - it has been passing fine
[10:42] <Darkside> and its better to have it i think
[10:43] <Mike_G0MJW> Is it above 1k yet?
[10:44] <jcoxon_> found the bug
[10:44] <Darkside> Mike_G0MJW: maybe
[10:44] <Darkside> wait a sec
[10:44] <jcoxon_> yes
[10:44] <Darkside> 1049m
[10:45] <Mike_G0MJW> Not likely to hear it from Bolton until several km
[10:45] <Darkside> http://imgur.com/hutcE.jpg
[10:45] <jcoxon_> eek
[10:45] <Mike_G0MJW> VK5! Some DX.
[10:45] <Upu> damn
[10:46] <jcoxon_> out of order
[10:46] <Upu> look how quiet that is there
[10:46] <Darkside> jcoxon_: you need to turn the checksum back on
[10:46] <Darkside> if it isnt already
[10:46] <jcoxon_> back on
[10:46] <jcoxon_> what mode is best guys?
[10:47] <Darkside> i'm using slow
[10:47] <Darkside> as i have time to tuype it in
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[10:47] <jcoxon_> the fast is okay for that as it takes a while for the slow to come in
[10:47] <Darkside> true
[10:48] <Darkside> i might try doing the fast mode in a bit
[10:48] <Darkside> since i have such good signal here
[10:48] <mattltm> Reciving it in Medway :)
[10:48] <Darkside> i have a 4-5 second delay on you guys lol
[10:48] <cuddykid> going to turn on the yaesu - will report back
[10:48] <Darkside> due to this stream
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[10:49] <Darkside> 1173m
[10:49] <jcoxon_> Darkside, you are doing pretty damn well
[10:50] <Darkside> ok normal hell isnt working
[10:50] <Darkside> its too weak
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[10:50] <costyn_> is it really climbing that slow?
[10:50] <jcoxon_> oh yes
[10:50] <jcoxon_> we spent a while getting it just right
[10:51] <Darkside> damn its fading a lot here
[10:51] <costyn_> jcoxon_: do you want it to float?
[10:51] <Dutch-Mill> let it float ...let it float .. let it flooooot... ;-)
[10:51] <Darkside> can barely make it out
[10:51] <costyn_> Dutch-Mill: eheheh
[10:51] <Darkside> 1237
[10:52] <Darkside> about to cross the coast
[10:52] <Darkside> hmm my submissions havent been coming up on teh tracker
[10:52] <gonzo_> No singing on this chan please!!!
[10:52] <jcoxon_> Darkside, oh found my fix is not complete
[10:52] <costyn_> and G8KHW is going to be yagi-ing it from the coast?
[10:52] <Darkside> jcoxon_: let me know when
[10:52] <danielsaul> http://saul.im/bspe - what am I doing wrong!?
[10:53] <Darkside> danielsaul: thats not it
[10:53] <Darkside> thats local
[10:53] <danielsaul> Didn't think so
[10:53] <danielsaul> Mmm
[10:53] <cuddykid> are we 434.005?
[10:53] <cuddykid> picking something up here indoors -worcester - using whip
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[10:53] <Upu> thnk I see it
[10:53] <cuddykid> every 30secs or so?
[10:54] <Darkside> 1318m
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[10:54] <jcoxon_> try that
[10:54] <costyn_> Dutch-Mill: are you hearing it yet?
[10:54] <mattltm> Yes! got my first one :)
[10:54] <mattltm> but the checksum failed :(
[10:55] <Mike_G0MJW> Just starting to hear it but not on tracker.
[10:55] <cuddykid> hmm, I think it must be something else I'm hearing..
[10:55] <Dutch-Mill> Costyn : No nothing here..
[10:56] <costyn_> Dutch-Mill: ok
[10:56] <Darkside> 1401m
[10:57] <Darkside> jcoxon_: still not working
[10:57] <Darkside> we're missing packets on the tracker
[10:58] <jcoxon_> yeah
[10:58] <jcoxon_> i know
[10:58] <jcoxon_> i know whats wrong as well
[10:58] <Darkside> 1470m
[10:59] <Darkside> PICO,132,105618,5196144,143793,1470*31
[10:59] <Upu> dial frequency ?
[11:00] <Darkside> 434.004
[11:00] <Darkside> im on CW mode tho
[11:00] <Darkside> dunni if thats USB or LSB on this radio
[11:00] <Upu> sure I can see it
[11:00] <Darkside> 1535m
[11:01] <Darkside> PICO,134,105836,5195035,146205,1535*3E
[11:01] <Darkside> well this is a way of engaging the audience
[11:01] <Darkside> audience participation!
[11:01] <Darkside> haha
[11:02] <costyn_> sure makes all the trackers work a lot harder than usual :)
[11:02] <Darkside> yeah
[11:02] <Darkside> jeez
[11:02] <number10> no time for chat with all this typing
[11:02] <Darkside> yep
[11:02] <Darkside> i like using slow hell tho
[11:02] <Darkside> i have more time
[11:03] <Darkside> 1610m
[11:03] <Darkside> PICO,136,110055,5193945,148706,1610*31
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[11:05] <Darkside> jcoxon_: hows it coming
[11:05] <danielsaul> I give up, definitely something else big and loud near me :(
[11:05] <Darkside> CRAP
[11:05] <Darkside> local LIPD
[11:05] <jcoxon_> getting there
[11:05] <Darkside> what a bastard
[11:05] <Mike_G0MJW> Time for shopping - still nothing here.
[11:05] <Darkside> RIGHT on the frequency
[11:06] <mattltm> I got that too Darkside :(
[11:06] <Darkside> just wiped out the checksum
[11:06] <Darkside> mattltm: ahh you must be near where this is
[11:06] <Darkside> i'm on a kent globaltuner
[11:06] <mattltm> About 50 miles NW :)
[11:06] <Darkside> heh
[11:06] <mattltm> Your on Folkstone?
[11:06] <Darkside> yep
[11:06] <Darkside> no
[11:06] <Darkside> wait
[11:07] <Darkside> i'm on isle of sheppey
[11:07] <mattltm> Oh, very close to me than.
[11:07] <jcoxon_> okay
[11:07] <jcoxon_> i think i fixed it
[11:07] <mattltm> About 10 Miles East
[11:08] <jcoxon_> damn
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[11:08] <jcoxon_> nope
[11:08] <jcoxon_> not fixed
[11:08] <Darkside> nope
[11:08] <Darkside> checksum is screwed
[11:08] <Darkside> UKHAS String: PICO,140,11:05:31,51.91984,1.53556,1778*33A
[11:08] <danielsaul> jcoxon_: What do you think's wrong?
[11:09] <jcoxon_> i know whats wrong
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[11:09] <jcoxon_> its basically the xoring checksum in php is lower casing the letters
[11:09] <jcoxon_> they need to be capital
[11:09] <danielsaul> Ah
[11:09] <jcoxon_> i can fix it
[11:10] <Darkside> 1818m
[11:10] <Darkside> PICO,142,110750,5191204,155725,1818*37
[11:10] <Darkside> i'm even using the correct callsign i'd use if i was in the UK lol
[11:10] <Darkside> W/mycallsign
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[11:12] <Darkside> as much as this is fun, i'm goign to have to go soon
[11:12] <Darkside> hey RocketBoy_
[11:12] <Darkside> 1873m
[11:12] <Darkside> PICO,144,111008,5190446,157854,1873*3D
[11:13] <Darkside> jcoxon_: Checksum: 3D Checked:33D
[11:13] <Darkside> thats not a case error
[11:13] <junderwood> Darkside, W/my callsign? Surely that's if you're in the USA? I would have thought M/ or G/
[11:13] <jcoxon_> thats a fix error
[11:13] <Darkside> oh wait
[11:13] <Darkside> i think you're right
[11:13] <Darkside> my bad
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[11:13] <Darkside> jcoxon_: eh?
[11:13] <jcoxon_> as in my fix has done that
[11:14] <jcoxon_> try now
[11:14] <Darkside> yep
[11:14] <Darkside> worked
[11:16] <mattltm> Man, this is hard work!
[11:16] <Darkside> yep
[11:16] <Darkside> its a pain in the ass
[11:16] <Darkside> i'm getting better at recognising teh characters
[11:16] <jcoxon_> hehe
[11:16] <jcoxon_> its a christmas challenged
[11:16] <jcoxon_> challenge*
[11:16] <Darkside> fff just lost audio from the globaltuner
[11:17] <Darkside> back again now
[11:17] <mazzanet> ohhai
[11:17] <Darkside> hey mattltm
[11:17] <Darkside> mazzanet:
[11:17] <mattltm> YES!!!!!
[11:17] <mattltm> Got one!
[11:17] <Darkside> nie mattltm
[11:17] <mazzanet> haha
[11:17] <Darkside> haha
[11:17] <RocketBoy> looks like I was keeping pace with the balloon
[11:17] <Upu> Well sure I can see it have been able to for a while but nada
[11:17] <Darkside> it overrites the listener callsign
[11:17] <mazzanet> i'm guessing there's a launch somewhere?
[11:17] <Darkside> doesnt show multiple listeners when they syubmit it
[11:17] <Darkside> mazzanet: look at the tracker
[11:17] <Darkside> also: http://i.imgur.com/hutcE.jpg
[11:17] <Upu> you ran out of road RocketBoy :)
[11:17] <priyesh> what freq?
[11:17] <jcoxon_> Darkside, probably because of the manual inputing
[11:18] <Darkside> mazzanet: we're manualy typing in the telemetry
[11:18] <Darkside> priyesh: 434.004
[11:18] <priyesh> thanks
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[11:18] <RocketBoy> time to chase on boat
[11:18] <mazzanet> Darkside: *blink*
[11:18] <Darkside> and there goes my audio again
[11:18] <Darkside> ffs
[11:19] <mattltm> And another one :)
[11:19] <Darkside> grr mattltm :P
[11:19] <jcoxon_> so the way i'm doing is split screen
[11:19] <Darkside> i'm using 2 computers
[11:19] <jcoxon_> dl-fldigi on top to slow
[11:19] <mazzanet> Darkside: link?
[11:19] <jcoxon_> then underneath the input webpage
[11:20] <Darkside> mazzanet: to what
[11:20] Action: mattltm tri screens rock :)
[11:20] <jcoxon_> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[11:20] <Darkside> mazzanet: http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[11:20] <mazzanet> that
[11:20] <mazzanet> ta
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[11:20] <Laurenceb_> lol whos on an oil rig?
[11:22] <Darkside> prolly me
[11:22] <jcoxon_> pah its not too difficult
[11:23] <Darkside> lol
[11:23] <Darkside> i've got 30 lines under my belt lol
[11:24] <jcoxon_> oops
[11:24] <jcoxon_> dirty data got through there
[11:24] <Darkside> that was weird
[11:24] <mattltm> opps :)
[11:24] <jcoxon_> well move on...
[11:24] <jcoxon_> we'll*
[11:25] <mattltm> Im going to have a go at feld...
[11:25] <jcoxon_> i like slow
[11:25] <Darkside> mattltm: on a payload?
[11:25] <Darkside> please don't
[11:25] <Darkside> this is paunful
[11:25] <mattltm> lol
[11:26] <mattltm> Oh, that was not bad..
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[11:26] <priyesh> Darkside: which tuner are you on?
[11:26] <Darkside> priyesh: isle of sheppdsglishgl\
[11:26] <Darkside> sheppey
[11:27] <priyesh> i can't seem to see that one on the list
[11:27] <Darkside> you can take over from me
[11:27] <Darkside> hrm
[11:27] <Darkside> http://www.globaltuners.com/receiver/vk4fsgw.php?receiver=775
[11:27] <priyesh> Sorry, you are not allowed to access this page.
[11:27] <mattltm> think I got PICO,157,112415,5165377,172643,2379*34
[11:27] <priyesh> i think it's because my account is new
[11:28] <jcoxon_> mattltm, don't listen to Darkside this is fun!
[11:28] <mattltm> lol.
[11:28] <mattltm> Im not so sure.
[11:28] <jcoxon_> i'm sitting indoors with the antenna on the table
[11:28] <Darkside> ugh
[11:28] <Darkside> not for 3 hours
[11:28] <jcoxon_> getting good reception
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[11:28] <Darkside> jcoxon_: dhgouhweg
[11:28] <Darkside> hey
[11:28] <Darkside> jcoxon_: talk here
[11:28] <Darkside> he man
[11:28] <number10> must have good antenna
[11:28] <jcoxon_> i've got it for now if you guys want to bail :-p
[11:28] <fsphil> back
[11:28] <Darkside> YES
[11:28] <Darkside> got in before you
[11:29] <Darkside> :P
[11:29] <Darkside> cmon guys
[11:29] <Darkside> i'm in austraila and i;m beating you guys as posting strings
[11:29] <fsphil> aah, the huuman decoder system is working!
[11:29] <number10> PICO,158,112617,5184610,174366,2452*38
[11:29] <Darkside> fsphil: yes
[11:29] <jcoxon_> fsphil, they are grumpy
[11:29] <mattltm> PICO,159,112633,5184503,174591,2461*30
[11:29] <fsphil> lol
[11:29] <Darkside> fsphil: its tiring
[11:29] <jcoxon_> you have to prod them
[11:29] <Darkside> we need voice chat going here
[11:29] <Darkside> hey
[11:29] <Darkside> everyone get on skype
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[11:29] <mattltm> Nice decode from the feld hell
[11:29] <fsphil> I don't have skype
[11:29] <Darkside> lete have a nice skype chat
[11:29] <Darkside> fsphil: get it
[11:30] <gonzo_> teamspeak works well
[11:30] <priyesh> Darkside: might try the Folkestone one
[11:30] <Darkside> priyesh: go for it
[11:30] <gonzo_> and can use it to feed rx'ed audio in
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[11:30] <fsphil> I have a teamspeak server setup
[11:30] <priyesh> Darkside: first time i'm using global tuners, so i might need some help
[11:30] <fsphil> brb, have to wrap pressies
[11:30] <Darkside> priyesh: i'm kind of busy
[11:31] <priyesh> ok
[11:31] <priyesh> no problem
[11:31] <Darkside> this is demanding work
[11:31] <Darkside> i blame jcoxon_
[11:31] <RocketBoy> yeah - he is to blame
[11:32] <Darkside> :P
[11:32] Action: jcoxon_ prods Darkside
[11:32] <jcoxon_> more strings!
[11:32] <mattltm> Less chat!
[11:32] <Darkside> i am decoding
[11:32] <Darkside> goddamnit
[11:32] <mattltm> jcoxon_ is in task master mode..
[11:32] <RocketBoy> where is this web page
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[11:33] <Darkside> 2655
[11:33] <jcoxon_> http://habhub.org/files/picoatlas/
[11:34] <Darkside> fff in M12 hours i'm going to be in whyalla
[11:34] <Darkside> and i still need to sleep
[11:34] <Darkside> i'm gonna have to go soon guys
[11:34] <jcoxon_> Darkside, hehe, no worries
[11:34] <jcoxon_> you've worked well
[11:34] <Darkside> this has been fun and all
[11:34] <Darkside> totally not doing a feld-hell launch here
[11:34] <jcoxon_> promotion
[11:34] <Darkside> unless its on HF
[11:34] <jcoxon_> to captain of decoding
[11:35] <Darkside> 2767
[11:35] <Upu> Can I have my login back Darkside ?:)
[11:35] <Darkside> ok thats it im out
[11:35] <Darkside> Upu: go for it, isle of skeppey
[11:35] <Upu> k
[11:35] <Darkside> http://www.globaltuners.com/receiver/vk4fsgw.php?receiver=775
[11:36] <Darkside> http://slexy.org/view/s21FzGS2dq
[11:36] <Darkside> thats all my strings
[11:36] <jcoxon_> you picked it up at 389m!
[11:36] <jcoxon_> thats amazing
[11:36] <Laurenceb_> this using latex?
[11:37] <jcoxon_> single foil balloon
[11:37] <Darkside> jcoxon_: yeah that was right after i got on the tuner
[11:37] <Upu> now just need to work out how to get the sound into it
[11:37] <Darkside> heh
[11:38] <Upu> how do you get the sound from your sound card into dl-fldigi
[11:38] <Darkside> on linux - jack, on windows - virtual-audio-cable, on ma - soundflower
[11:38] <Darkside> Upu: or use 2 computers
[11:38] <Darkside> like i'm doing
[11:38] <Laurenceb_> is it hard to create a jack server on linux?
[11:38] <Darkside> nfi
[11:39] <Darkside> it might be easier to get an audio cable andm ake a hardware loopback
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[11:39] <Laurenceb_> ill see if theres a python module
[11:41] <jcoxon_> you can certainly decode this at low signel strength then rtty
[11:41] <jcoxon_> and being async helps
[11:42] <jcoxon_> 3km
[11:42] <Laurenceb_> heh
[11:43] <jcoxon_> RocketBoy, we definitely got that ascent rate
[11:43] <Laurenceb_> john carmacks rocket only just beat the latex altitude record
[11:43] <Laurenceb_> and didnt exceed the jaxa ballon at 56Km
[11:43] <Laurenceb_> :P
[11:43] <RocketBoy> is the checksum belimiter a + or *
[11:43] <Darkside> jaxa balloon?
[11:43] <jcoxon_> *
[11:43] <jcoxon_> though i might have coded it as a cross
[11:44] <Darkside> you did jcoxon_
[11:44] <jcoxon_> just use an asterix
[11:44] <RocketBoy> humm everything i enter fails the checksum
[11:44] <Darkside> RocketBoy: paste an example in here
[11:44] <RocketBoy> will do
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[11:46] <Darkside> damn i need to get ready for bed
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[11:48] <fsphil> how goes it?
[11:48] <fsphil> ooh it's well over the channel now
[11:49] <Upu> I can't work out how to get the sound from Global Tuners into dl-fldigi
[11:49] <fsphil> Darkside, jaxa balloon got to 59.something km
[11:49] <jcoxon_> Upu what os?
[11:49] <Upu> windows
[11:49] <RocketBoy> that one went in ok PICO,176,114702,5175538,196274,3222*3E
[11:49] <jcoxon_> tried virtual audio cable?
[11:50] <jcoxon_> or just get a 3.5mm jack and go from speaker to mic socket
[11:50] <costyn_> what's the dial freq?
[11:50] <Darkside> Upu: yes use virtual audio cable
[11:50] <Darkside> its easiest
[11:50] <Upu> tried virtual audio cable
[11:50] <Darkside> costyn_: 434.004
[11:50] <Darkside> or thereabouts
[11:50] <fsphil> Darkside, what station are you using?
[11:50] <Darkside> fsphil: i was using isle of sheppey
[11:50] <Darkside> i'm not using anything atm
[11:50] <Upu> Sheppey fsphil do you want to try it
[11:51] <fsphil> going on now
[11:51] <fsphil> but it's pretty manic here, I may disappear suddenly :)
[11:52] <jcoxon_> number10, good work!
[11:52] <costyn_> Darkside: thx
[11:52] <number10> cheers
[11:52] <jcoxon_> number10, you going for slow?
[11:52] <fsphil> boy it's drifty
[11:52] <number10> I am a bit of a slow person at typing, but antenna is not brilliant also
[11:52] <Laurenceb_> levelling out
[11:53] <jcoxon_> yeah mine is beginning to struggle
[11:53] <fsphil> slow hell looking good though!
[11:53] <jcoxon_> might have to relocate upstairs
[11:54] <fsphil> arg, not enough time to switch modes
[11:54] <jcoxon_> fsphil, run 2
[11:54] <RocketBoy> entering hell istrangly compelling
[11:54] <fsphil> good plan
[11:54] <jcoxon_> RocketBoy, i think we need to add points
[11:54] <fsphil> I need my second screen working
[11:54] <jcoxon_> make it a game
[11:55] <Upu> a game I don't think I'm going to be able to take part in :)
[11:55] <Upu> QRM here is just massive
[11:55] <Upu> off to make some food
[11:55] <RocketBoy> do points mean prizes?
[11:55] <jcoxon_> most definitely yes
[11:56] <Darkside> haha
[11:56] <Darkside> yes
[11:56] <Darkside> we need balloon achievements
[11:56] <Darkside> totally
[11:57] <Laurenceb_> achievement unlocked
[11:57] <cuddykid> definately
[11:57] <cuddykid> it's a must! haha
[11:57] <RocketBoy> the most strings uploaded
[11:57] <costyn_> agreed
[11:57] <fsphil> nuts, just closed the globaltuners window by mistake
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[11:58] <jcoxon_> RocketBoy, and strings vs distance
[11:58] <jcoxon_> hi F1SIU
[11:58] <Darkside> RocketBoy: most *manual* strings uploaded
[11:58] <Darkside> hehe
[11:58] <fsphil> something very sad about slow-hell :) it sounds lonely up there
[11:58] <jcoxon_> don't want to speak too soon
[11:59] <jcoxon_> fsphil, its drawing - its being creative
[11:59] <jcoxon_> i did think of adding balloon icon
[11:59] <Darkside> i think we need a better font
[11:59] <Darkside> because this one is a bit annoying
[11:59] <RocketBoy> agreed
[11:59] <jcoxon_> there is a special font for it
[11:59] <RocketBoy> there must be better
[11:59] <jcoxon_> but i did this one quickly
[11:59] <fsphil> fldigi has a great bold font
[11:59] <fsphil> would be perfect for this
[12:00] <fsphil> signal has gotten very weak on the sheppy receiver
[12:00] <RocketBoy> time to get the yagi out - on a whip inside atm
[12:01] <number10> I need a yagi set up and a baldozer to remove nextdoors hous
[12:03] <fsphil> checksum failed
[12:03] <fsphil> poo
[12:04] <fsphil> oh wait, that's a C at the end
[12:04] <fsphil> checksum ok
[12:04] <fsphil> the 6 looks like a zero
[12:05] <fsphil> descent?
[12:05] <fsphil> no, read it wrong
[12:06] <jcoxon_> ooo much stronger signal upstairs
[12:07] <number10> what antenna jcoxon_?
[12:07] <costyn_> is it really gonna burst at 3500m like the predictor says?
[12:08] <fsphil> yea, it's descenting
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[12:08] <fsphil> descending even
[12:08] <jcoxon_> descending or float?
[12:09] <RocketBoy> tense
[12:09] <RocketBoy> few mins
[12:09] <jcoxon_> big fade just then
[12:10] <daveake> How long between messages?
[12:10] <fsphil> 3230
[12:10] <fsphil> yea saw that fade too
[12:10] <fsphil> had to guess the checksum :)
[12:10] <number10> did you not calculate it in your head phil?
[12:11] <daveake> :)
[12:11] <fsphil> lol
[12:11] <jcoxon_> just got a feldhell through
[12:11] <fsphil> I can only calculate the 16-bit one :)
[12:12] <fsphil> yea, going down
[12:13] <jcoxon_> there must be a leak
[12:13] <jcoxon_> as there is only 1 balloon
[12:13] <daveake> looks like it :(
[12:15] <fsphil> you could almost learn the sounds of the slow hell letters
[12:15] <Darkside> jcoxon_: what battery are you using
[12:15] <jcoxon_> 2xAAA
[12:15] <Darkside> total payload weight?
[12:15] <jcoxon_> 40g
[12:15] <Darkside> nice
[12:15] <Darkside> i can do RTTY in 48g...
[12:16] <jcoxon_> i've got the parts for a 23g version
[12:16] <Darkside> actually i can do APRS in 48g too
[12:16] <Darkside> kind of
[12:18] <fsphil> checksum always starts with a 3 .. means the effective checksum is only 4-bits
[12:18] <costyn_> Dutch-Mill: can you hear it?
[12:18] <Darkside> i've seen them starting with 0, near the start of the flight
[12:18] <costyn_> i tried it on my radio with a whip, thought I heard it, not sure
[12:19] <costyn_> Darkside: weren't you going to go to sleep?
[12:19] <fsphil> it's now faded away totally from my waterfall
[12:19] <fsphil> ah, it's still there
[12:19] <fsphil> *just*
[12:19] <Darkside> costyn_: getting there
[12:20] <costyn_> Darkside: is that your way of falling asleep, doing checksums in your head? :P
[12:21] <Darkside> pff
[12:23] <RocketBoy> i guess it might just make it across
[12:24] <fsphil> odds are good
[12:24] <navrac> well as it falls the pressure differential will decrease and the leak rate will go down - but it only had enough lift for 0.5m/s so it will be close
[12:24] <RocketBoy> anyone rxing it from the other side?
[12:25] <RocketBoy> (of the channel)
[12:25] <fsphil> elvis?
[12:25] <RocketBoy> he is always there
[12:25] <jcoxon_> might be worth listening on the dover globaltuner
[12:26] <costyn_> i've only an whip indoor atm. not much use
[12:26] <jcoxon_> must be leaking
[12:27] <fsphil> the slow hell has the big advantage of giving the poor humans time to enter it
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[12:30] <fsphil> signal fading again
[12:30] <jcoxon_> yeah quiet here
[12:30] <jcoxon_> i can still hear it
[12:31] <costyn_> if it lands in Belgium you could ask Peter @ Howest to pick it up... pretty good track record so far :)
[12:31] <jcoxon_> costyn_, we won't recover it
[12:32] <Darkside> ok, nn all
[12:32] <Darkside> i'll be back online in 6 hours...
[12:32] <number10> nn
[12:32] <daveake> I think Peter will need his boat for this one :p
[12:32] <jcoxon_> signal back
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[12:37] <jcoxon_> is this tedious guys? or do you mind tracking these sort of flights?
[12:37] <fsphil> ooh nice and strong now
[12:37] <navrac> descent rate starting to fall off nicely
[12:37] <fsphil> someone always calls at the door just as the checksum is coming through
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[12:38] <fsphil> this would get pretty awful for a very long flight :)
[12:38] <RocketBoy> float?
[12:38] <Mike_G0MJW> I might track it if I could hear it
[12:38] <fsphil> it's certainly slowing down again
[12:38] <Mike_G0MJW> I think plan RTTY or BPSK with FEC is the way to go.
[12:38] <navrac> the question is whether the hell is allowing you to continue tracking when the rtty would have given out
[12:39] <jcoxon_> navrac, i think it is
[12:39] <jcoxon_> considering the altitude
[12:39] <jcoxon_> i'm getting a strong yet slow signal
[12:40] <navrac> well in that case its worth the effort. If my receiver wasnt flat I'dhave happily sat here tracking, except for the wife giving me chores
[12:40] <jcoxon_> navrac, maybe alternating
[12:40] <fsphil> better than RTTY yea, but I don't think it's better than a slow digital mode
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[12:41] <navrac> ooh -0.1m/s nice
[12:42] <priyesh> what freq are people listening on atm?
[12:42] <Mike_G0MJW> RTTY with RS coding so it can be read as plain text. Faster rate to combat burst interference issues.
[12:42] <fsphil> very nearly floating
[12:42] <jcoxon_> 434.004
[12:43] <priyesh> thanks jcoxon_
[12:43] <RocketBoy> yeah it certainly looks like that
[12:44] <cuddykid> jcoxon_: what radio did you use for hell?
[12:45] <jcoxon_> cuddykid, its a RFM22
[12:45] <jcoxon_> it can do much more then hell
[12:45] <priyesh> i'm leaving the dover global tuner if anyone wants it
[12:45] <jcoxon_> priyesh, is there a signal?
[12:46] <priyesh> there was about 5 min ago
[12:46] <cuddykid> oh nice - looks quite a bit cheaper than ntx2 aswell :)
[12:46] <priyesh> atm, i'm only getting the odd letter every now and then :S
[12:46] <jcoxon_> cuddykid, wouldn't be my suggestion for a radio
[12:46] <jcoxon_> all experiemental
[12:46] <cuddykid> ahh ok
[12:47] <fsphil> ascent again?
[12:47] <priyesh> just got signal again, but it's hard to work out what the letters/numbers are
[12:47] <jcoxon_> yeah
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[12:48] <RocketBoy> yep up
[12:49] <fsphil> very up!
[12:49] <jcoxon_> RocketBoy, very interesting
[12:50] <RocketBoy> you are not kidding
[12:50] <navrac> could have gone through a rain shower?
[12:50] <fsphil> explain that leap :)
[12:50] <cuddykid> this could be some uber gravity wave thing! (I don't understand & :P )
[12:50] <RocketBoy> na too pronounced iMO
[12:51] <Nickle> Rain radar - http://meteox.co.uk/gmapstatic.aspx?zoom=6&type=zoom&x=230&y=270
[12:52] <cuddykid> I'm guessing it will be above rain at > 2.5km alt?
[12:56] <costyn_> this is a better site http://www.buienradar.nl/
[12:57] <costyn_> seems to coincide
[12:57] <jcoxon_> how are peoples signal?
[12:57] <number10> bit weak here but house in way i think
[12:59] <fsphil> congrats on the float jcoxon_ :)
[12:59] <fsphil> even if it is a bit wavy
[12:59] <Nickle> Rain - depends on the Freezing level
[12:59] <jcoxon_> RTTY would have definitely bowed out
[13:01] <fsphil> ooh just noticed the slidey box on spacenear.us
[13:01] <fsphil> cool
[13:01] <fsphil> very noisy signal on sheppy station
[13:01] <number10> what slidy box
[13:01] <fsphil> but still readable
[13:01] <fsphil> on the information below the flight name
[13:01] <fsphil> you can hide it
[13:02] <cuddykid> jcoxon_: you may even be able to recover the payload!
[13:03] <fsphil> getting weak though, I won't be able to track it from here for much longer
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[13:04] <jcoxon_> i'm struggling
[13:06] <jcoxon_> but still getting strings
[13:07] <jcoxon_> fsphil, tried any other globaltuners?
[13:08] <number10> I lost it
[13:08] <jcoxon_> number10, you've done amazing
[13:08] <jcoxon_> thanks!
[13:08] <number10> :)
[13:09] <cuddykid> any people from HOWEST here?
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[13:15] <jcoxon_> anyone else still listening?
[13:15] <jcoxon_> sweet
[13:15] <jcoxon_> howest is online
[13:15] <daveake> Oh good :)
[13:17] <number10> have you got any signal at yours jcoxon_ ?
[13:17] <jcoxon_> yeah
[13:17] <jcoxon_> slowfeld
[13:17] <jcoxon_> very small filter
[13:17] <jcoxon_> just on a whiip
[13:18] <daveake> Looks like you'll fly past within 10km of Buzz's landing spot
[13:18] <number10> ah - I am using scanner and next doors house is in the way - I wonder if the vicar is in - go up church tower
[13:19] <fsphil> back, and the signal is strong again on sheppy
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[13:21] <fsphil> aah, descending again
[13:22] <fsphil> oooh and land ahoy!
[13:22] <fsphil> and the howest station very nearby
[13:22] <jcoxon_> perhaps the altitude oscillations will settle
[13:22] <fsphil> that's a good thought
[13:22] <jcoxon_> F5APQ is listening too
[13:24] <fsphil> struggled with that one
[13:24] <fsphil> I've missed the start of this one entirely
[13:26] <jcoxon_> big drop
[13:26] <jcoxon_> eek
[13:26] <fsphil> 2527 yea
[13:26] <fsphil> no way I can get the checksum of that last one right, to many faded chars
[13:30] <jcoxon_> i've had to stop
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[13:30] <fsphil> descent has slowed again
[13:30] <Rob_M0DTS> interesting jeight profile on this one, passed thru a raincloud?
[13:31] <Rob_M0DTS> *height
[13:31] <jcoxon_> Rob_M0DTS, its a foil balloon so the aim was to float
[13:31] <jcoxon_> not sure we aimed it to float like this
[13:31] <jcoxon_> :-)
[13:31] <fsphil> will I float? yea .. no wait no! .. ahh why not ... nooo!!
[13:31] <Rob_M0DTS> i haha nice it's still up anyway
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[13:32] <G0APM> You around Rob?
[13:33] <Dutch-Mill> 51.30297 -3.03687
[13:33] <Dutch-Mill> 2409
[13:33] <jcoxon_> Dutch-Mill, good work
[13:33] <Rob_M0DTS> Yes i'm here
[13:34] <G0APM> Hi Rob.. Was looking for G8DSU Rob :) ..
[13:34] <Rob_M0DTS> ha
[13:35] <number10> steve must be on that cliff in felixtowe
[13:36] <fsphil> big noise just went right through the signal no shepp
[13:36] <jcoxon_> eek
[13:36] <fsphil> +y
[13:36] <jcoxon_> stop descending!
[13:37] <fsphil> it's over land though :)
[13:38] <fsphil> howest is receiving
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[13:39] <RocketBoy> number10: i am
[13:39] <Rob_M0DTS> very stable frequency so far, are those transmitters fairly easy to setup?
[13:39] <number10> your doing well
[13:39] <RocketBoy> its a great signal here
[13:40] <RocketBoy> i'm letting the howest guys get one or to in
[13:40] <number10> lol
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[13:40] <cuddykid> I love how Belgium is the new HAB landing site
[13:41] <RocketBoy> some type of vortex sucking them in
[13:42] <cuddykid> haha
[13:42] <RocketBoy> 2107
[13:43] <jcoxon_> pull up!
[13:43] <daveake> It's the lure of the beer and waffles
[13:44] <RocketBoy> 2018
[13:45] <jcoxon_> its not slowing
[13:45] <navrac> sadly its starting to look like a terminal leak
[13:46] <cuddykid> plus side - soft landing
[13:46] <RocketBoy> 1937
[13:47] <fsphil> like a stone
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[13:47] <daveake> So no chance of seeing a flypast of the balloon on "NORAD Tracks Santa" tonight :(
[13:48] <RocketBoy> these pico flights are a real brain tease to think whats going on
[13:49] <RocketBoy> 1892
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[13:49] <Rob_M0DTS> rain radar might show nice reflections of foil balloons..
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[13:50] <Rob_M0DTS> might be bit small for the resolution tho!
[13:50] <jcoxon_> its quite small Rob_M0DTS
[13:50] <jcoxon_> 91cm diameter
[13:51] <RocketBoy> 1840
[13:51] <navrac> is it round or flattened?
[13:51] <fsphil> big drop there
[13:52] <Rob_M0DTS> oh that small... if one comes close enough i could try for reflections with my 10GHz setup. i can dectect a smal ish radio tower over 20km away with it!
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[13:52] <fsphil> neat!
[13:53] <jcoxon_> 1840 or 1640
[13:53] <Rob_M0DTS> 1640
[13:53] <jcoxon_> eek
[13:53] <RocketBoy> data error on that last point
[13:53] <RocketBoy> 1840 to 1640
[13:53] <jcoxon_> not long now
[13:53] <RocketBoy> 1840 not 1640
[13:53] <RocketBoy> 1740 now
[13:54] <fsphil> it went up? or was that bad data?
[13:54] <Rob_M0DTS> yes, i read it wrong but looks very much like a 6 !
[13:54] <navrac> bad data
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[13:55] <jcoxon_> go up
[13:56] <navrac> So I'm sitting here on christmas eve, waiting with bated breath waiting for someone to type in a height figure of an oversized party baloon. hmm
[13:56] <jcoxon_> navrac, but it is fun
[13:56] <fsphil> lol
[13:56] <navrac> I know, thats what is worrying me....
[13:56] <Rob_M0DTS> yes you can tell the fmily all about it tomorrow ;-)
[13:57] <navrac> they already know I'm mad
[13:57] <Rob_M0DTS> same here
[13:58] <jcoxon_> pull up balloon
[13:58] <jcoxon_> don't crash now
[13:58] <navrac> I do weird things all the time, when I told them I was building HABs they just said OK as if I was saying I was going out to buy cigarettes
[13:59] <jcoxon_> RocketBoy, good range!
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[13:59] <RocketBoy> yeah its getting marginal though
[14:00] <Rob_M0DTS> jcoxon: is there example code somewhere for hell mode tx?
[14:00] <RocketBoy> plus its drifting and the fliters are narrow
[14:00] <NigelMoby> if it keeps going overnight we can ask Santa to pick it up ;)
[14:00] <RocketBoy> 1573
[14:00] <jcoxon_> RocketBoy, you can change the filter
[14:00] <Laurenceb_> congrats on getting a float with foil
[14:01] <jcoxon_> Laurenceb_, not very long float
[14:01] <Laurenceb_> well at least for a while
[14:01] <jcoxon_> Rob_M0DTS, yeah - let me find a link
[14:01] <Laurenceb_> do you think it was nylon film?
[14:01] <fsphil> I've now lost the signal
[14:01] <fsphil> can hear it, but not decode
[14:01] <fsphil> in saying that, I still see some numbers
[14:02] <fsphil> seems to be drifting downwards faster now
[14:02] <Rob_M0DTS> yeah very weak on globaltuner
[14:02] <jcoxon_> warming up?
[14:03] <jcoxon_> Rob_M0DTS, an old version
[14:03] <jcoxon_> https://github.com/jamescoxon/Atlas-Flight-Computer/blob/master/hellbeacon/hellbeacon.pde
[14:03] <Rob_M0DTS> ta
[14:03] <jcoxon_> i'll upload my newer stuff today
[14:03] <Rob_M0DTS> just interested how it's done!
[14:04] <fsphil> amazing that I can still read some of thise
[14:04] <fsphil> this
[14:04] <fsphil> I can hardly hear it
[14:06] <jcoxon_> no data for a bit
[14:08] <fsphil> 1591 n
[14:08] <fsphil> m even
[14:08] <Rob_M0DTS> 1391 last possibly
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[14:09] Action: jcoxon_ hopes its 1591
[14:09] <fsphil> if so, it's going up again
[14:09] <fsphil> frequency is going upwards again too
[14:09] <navrac> well nothing would surprise me
[14:10] <Rob_M0DTS> think last was 16**
[14:10] <Rob_M0DTS> but maybe 10
[14:12] <jcoxon_> up
[14:12] <jcoxon_> !
[14:12] <jcoxon_> 1616
[14:12] <Rob_M0DTS> cool
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[14:12] <fsphil> I think this global tuner station is done Rob_M0DTS :)
[14:13] <navrac> I'm waiting for 1 more reading before I breathe again
[14:13] <jcoxon_> i'm getting it
[14:13] <jcoxon_> fsphil, off your station
[14:13] <jcoxon_> very narrow filter
[14:13] <fsphil> yikes
[14:13] <Rob_M0DTS> i have hell bandwidth dropped to 20Hz and getting a ittle still but vy weak
[14:13] <jcoxon_> nah its weak again
[14:14] <jcoxon_> we need another station
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[14:15] <jcoxon_> Rob_M0DTS, i've lost it
[14:15] <Rob_M0DTS> yeah its gone
[14:15] <fsphil> yea
[14:15] <fsphil> drat
[14:15] <RocketBoy> there has been interference on this channel for me
[14:16] <RocketBoy> sort of woodpecker
[14:16] <fsphil> now that was fun
[14:16] <fsphil> I gotta run, bbl. hope you hear from it again jcoxon_ !
[14:17] <number10> thanks for the entertainment jcoxon_ and RocketBoy
[14:17] <jcoxon_> cya
[14:17] <F1SIU> hear RS31 on JO10WE
[14:17] <jcoxon_> F1SIU, any data?
[14:18] <RocketBoy> time to go back to the warm
[14:18] <F1SIU> sorry I have not possibility here
[14:18] <jcoxon_> F1SIU, thanks for listening though
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[14:19] <Rob_M0DTS> see f6agv email on ukhas list
[14:19] <jcoxon_> well its not descending
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[14:25] <F1SIU> I have send mail to Alain F6AGV if he is at his station
[14:26] <jcoxon_> F1SIU, thanks
[14:26] <navrac> enough time for some toast - email updates should mean I dont miss any
[14:26] <jcoxon_> i have spoken with him already
[14:28] <Laurenceb_> anyone receiving?
[14:29] <jcoxon_> not looking too good
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[14:30] <jcoxon_> pico,308,141914,5109118,359490,1455
[14:31] <jcoxon_> from F5APQ
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[14:33] <Laurenceb_> levelling out again?
[14:33] <jcoxon_> seems so
[14:33] <jcoxon_> but i've got no receivers
[14:34] <daveake> Any globaltuners thataway?
[14:34] <jcoxon_> nope
[14:34] <daveake> ;9
[14:34] <daveake> :(
[14:34] <daveake> Not very global then
[14:34] <jcoxon_> i fear that the end is near
[14:35] <daveake> It passed within 18km of buzz's landing point.
[14:36] <hibby> utwente not within range if it's in the belgium vicinity?
[14:36] <SamSilver_> jcoxon_: if this carries on toooo long there will a lot of pissed of kids as I will stuck watching this "up down no up again and now down" flouter!!!
[14:36] <jcoxon_> thats hf only
[14:36] <hibby> pain :/
[14:36] <SamSilver_> I am Santa to night
[14:37] <jcoxon_> SamSilver_, i'm not sure how much more data we'll get
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[14:37] <jcoxon_> PD3EM can hear it though
[14:37] <SamSilver_> lack of global tuners is a bugger any HOWEST guys handy?
[14:37] <jcoxon_> so i think it must still be in the air
[14:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> max alt 3390M realy?
[14:38] <jcoxon_> OZ1SKY_Brian, special low alt flight
[14:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon_: ok i see
[14:38] <jcoxon_> looking at floating
[14:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> not a change to hear it, got ALOT of c*** on 434000
[14:39] <jcoxon_> OZ1SKY_Brian, thats okay - i think you are a bit far away :-)
[14:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon_: at that ALT i think your right, lol
[14:41] <jcoxon_> :-)
[14:42] <F1SIU> Heard but under S1 on 434.004 now (near Maubeuge France/Belgium border) 1/4 antenna
[14:42] <Rob_M0DTS> nothing on Dokkum DX tuner
[14:43] <jcoxon_> F1SIU, any decode?
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[14:44] <F1SIU> Sorry I have not equipment to... just my ear..
[14:45] <jcoxon_> oh course
[14:45] <navrac> record an mp3 and email it?
[14:46] <jcoxon_> http://yfrog.com/g0dx4mrj
[14:46] <jcoxon_> the altitude is 4 digits
[14:46] <jcoxon_> so its > 1000m
[14:51] <navrac> looks like 10xx to me
[14:51] <navrac> I have to nip out - I hope it's still up when I get back - well done James , very impressive
[14:52] <jcoxon_> 5103783,377913,1022*3A
[14:53] <jcoxon_> updated the map
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[14:56] <F1SIU> I'ves lost signal now
[14:57] <jcoxon_> F1SIU, okay, thank for listening
[14:57] <NickB_> Is it still up ?
[14:57] <jcoxon_> we've tracked it far further then i expected
[14:57] <jcoxon_> NickB_, just
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[14:58] <NigeyS> interesting altitude graph james
[14:58] <NickB_> should i have a listen ?
[14:59] <jcoxon_> NickB_, where are you?
[14:59] <NickB_> I live in the center of Belgium
[14:59] <jcoxon_> yes
[14:59] <jcoxon_> yes please!
[14:59] <jcoxon_> its just over Ghent
[14:59] <jcoxon_> not long before it lands
[15:00] <NickB_> ok ill give it a try
[15:00] <jcoxon_> thanks!
[15:00] <fsphil> ah cool, more data
[15:00] <fsphil> just peeking in
[15:00] <jcoxon_> fsphil, http://yfrog.com/z/g0dx4mrj
[15:02] <fsphil> yep, you're right about this mode :)
[15:02] <fsphil> my tests must have been flawed -- it didn't work much better than normal hell for me
[15:02] <jcoxon_> i find that if you lean back its easier to read
[15:03] <fsphil> towards the end I found I could tell the number by the sound
[15:03] <fsphil> 1 and 3 where pretty distinctive
[15:03] <jcoxon_> i reckon morse is better
[15:03] <jcoxon_> if you can decode by ear
[15:03] <fsphil> yes
[15:04] <number10> can you do psk on the chip you are using?
[15:04] <fsphil> brb again
[15:05] <jcoxon_> number10, not sure, doubt it
[15:05] <jcoxon_> right i think its over to tell the truth
[15:05] <number10> was good fun
[15:06] <costyn_> very nice run
[15:06] <jcoxon_> crazy altitude graph
[15:06] <costyn_> http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/entries/icons/original/000/001/253/everything_went_better_than_expected.jpg?1257510959
[15:06] <jcoxon_> i wonder if a leak formed on the second peak
[15:06] <jcoxon_> NickB_, any signal?
[15:09] <jcoxon_> i think its all over
[15:09] <number10> almost sinusoidal around the first peak
[15:13] <F1SIU> Nothing with directive antenna at arm's length outdoor
[15:14] <Upu> anyone who used a ublox 6 noticed it get quite hot to the touch when aquiring lock ?
[15:14] <NickB_> jcoxon_, sorry not piking up anything
[15:14] <jcoxon_> no worries
[15:14] <NickB_> *picking
[15:14] <jcoxon_> i think we'll call it over
[15:14] <Upu> good flight though
[15:14] <jcoxon_> very strange
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[15:18] <costyn_> jcoxon_: what's strange?
[15:18] <jcoxon_> the flight path
[15:19] <costyn_> ah yea... well rain and then a leak perhaps?
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[15:35] <RocketBoy> its quite high to have rain isn't it 10,000ft?
[15:36] <jcoxon_> i wonder if there are more oscilations up and down but we ran out of altitude
[15:36] <jcoxon_> it seemed to have slowed around 1500m
[15:37] <costyn_> RocketBoy: I've personally experienced rain at 10,000ft and it hurts at 180+ km/h
[15:37] <NigeyS> RocketBoy, was justsaying to james, if you compare that graph to picochu-1 without the second peak, its pretty much identical, albeit we had a faster ascent rate
[15:37] <costyn_> :)
[15:37] <SpeedEvil> costyn_: Skydiving?
[15:37] <costyn_> SpeedEvil: yea ... wasn't wearing a full face helmet (hate them)
[15:38] <costyn_> afaik CBs can contain rain at quite high altitudes too
[15:39] <NigeyS> costyn_, thats kinda the equivalent of being sandblasted :| ouch
[15:40] <SpeedEvil> NigeyS: The technical term is exfoliation.
[15:40] <costyn_> NigeyS: yea, hitting the pointy bits of the raindrops hurts :P
[15:40] <jcoxon_> RocketBoy, so PicoAtlas6 MK2 soon
[15:40] <costyn_> NigeyS: but I imagine sandblasting woudl be a lot worse
[15:40] <jcoxon_> perhaps a non-channel flight
[15:41] <NigeyS> lol SpeedEvil
[15:41] <NigeyS> costyn_, still.. ouch!
[15:41] <NigeyS> jcoxon_, send 1 this way !
[15:41] <RocketBoy> costyn_: yeah I'm not saying it wasn't rain - I does seem a prosibility - I just thought rain was far more probable at lower altitudes
[15:41] <costyn_> RocketBoy: yes, true
[15:42] <RocketBoy> most of the times my payloads have gone up they seem clear of clouds by 10,000ft
[15:42] <costyn_> NigeyS: and yes :) kind of spoils the whole jump but it's your own fault if you get out of the plane in such iffy conditions :)
[15:43] <jcoxon_> i'd hope it was the beginning of a floating section
[15:43] <jcoxon_> just need to give it a bit more altitude
[15:43] <jcoxon_> with a lighter payload
[15:45] <NigeyS> jcoxon_, time for the film again? :p
[15:45] <RocketBoy> a launch much further west might elp
[15:45] <jcoxon_> nah
[15:45] <jcoxon_> NigeyS, single AAA
[15:46] <NigeyS> that's gonna be a challenge
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[16:21] <cuddykid> more sanding of the glider wing done - starting to look rather like a wing now!
[16:23] <Laurenceb_> this is high altitude glider?
[16:24] <cuddykid> yeah
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[16:25] <cuddykid> styrofoam sands very well
[16:29] <SpeedEvil> cuddykid: With sharp sandpaper
[16:29] <cuddykid> SpeedEvil: yeah, at the start I was sanding with old sand paper and it went sort of fluffy!
[16:32] <Laurenceb_> what controller are you using?
[16:32] <cuddykid> arduino
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[16:38] <Laurenceb_> ardupilot?
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[16:44] <cuddykid> Laurenceb_: nah, planning just to write my own code using bearings
[16:44] <cuddykid> there will be no alt control
[16:44] <Laurenceb_> ah
[16:44] <cuddykid> that will just be down to the gliders build
[16:44] <Laurenceb_> using a fixed wing glider?
[16:44] <cuddykid> yeah
[16:44] <Laurenceb_> this is in the us?
[16:44] <Laurenceb_> -flying
[16:44] <cuddykid> nah, uk, the CAA is currently "deliberating" lol
[16:44] <Laurenceb_> oh i see
[16:45] <Laurenceb_> you are going to struggle to control it
[16:45] <cuddykid> if they say no, then I'll just fly it above controlled airspace (if I can) then deploy chute
[16:45] <cuddykid> it's all very prototypey atm
[16:46] <Laurenceb_> i think its going to need three axis control
[16:47] <Laurenceb_> did you see my rogallo?
[16:47] <cuddykid> yeah :)
[16:47] <cuddykid> I'm aiming for something a bit like this - http://www.gpsboomerang.com/
[16:47] <Laurenceb_> yeah seen that
[16:47] <Laurenceb_> bear in mind thats really hard
[16:48] <Laurenceb_> that only has rudder control, like my rogallo
[16:48] <Laurenceb_> but the aerodynamics to make that thing work well are really hard
[16:48] <cuddykid> yup, It's going to be a long long project involving a *lot* of luck
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> And crashes.
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> Don't forget the crashes.
[16:48] <cuddykid> lol yeah
[16:49] <cuddykid> anyone know what the material is called that is used on the end of these wings? -> http://www.gpsboomerang.com/images/gallery/incoming.jpg
[16:49] <SpeedEvil> This stuff:
[16:50] <SpeedEvil> http://www.cabp.co.uk/acatalog/4mm-Polycarbonate-Sheet-.html
[16:50] <SpeedEvil> I'm awaiting an order from them now.
[16:50] <cuddykid> ahh, thanks!!
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[16:51] <Laurenceb_> http://vimeo.com/15190485
[16:51] <SpeedEvil> http://www.cabp.co.uk/acatalog/10mm_HAZE_Reform_Polycarbonate.html
[16:51] <SpeedEvil> looks closer actually
[16:51] <SpeedEvil> It's really quite rigid.
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> Though more in one axes than the other
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> And being polcarbonate, quite impact resistant.
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> Also cheap - 8 quid/sqm
[16:56] <cuddykid> nice Laurenceb_ did you have a lot of swinging motion (peaks & troughs) as it flew?
[16:56] <Laurenceb_> no not at all
[16:56] <Laurenceb_> the problem was the vibration on ascent untied the winch servo
[16:56] <Laurenceb_> you can see its very violent on ascent
[16:57] <cuddykid> yep
[16:57] <Laurenceb_> in future id try and put the lift line on the wing nose
[16:59] <cuddykid> one of my concerns is that I'm going to be relying heavily on the lassen iq - if that fails then guidance system fails
[16:59] <Laurenceb_> i put some chokes on the cutdown cable
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[17:00] <Laurenceb_> to take 35hz RF off it and into the rc receiver
[17:00] <Laurenceb_> if it got valib pwm from the receiver below 200m then it went to pwm relay mode
[17:01] <Laurenceb_> unfortunately due to the winch servo coming untied it spent most of the descent in a gentle circle ~150m radius
[17:02] <Laurenceb_> the lassen iq is completely unsuitable imo
[17:02] <Laurenceb_> it went a bit nuts at cutdown and stayed level of ascending for ~10s
[17:02] <Laurenceb_> it doesnt like >=1G accel
[17:03] <cuddykid> lol
[17:03] <cuddykid> annoying as I can't afford a ublox atm
[17:03] <Laurenceb_> it settled down after that but the velocity was noisy and generally laggy
[17:04] <Laurenceb_> ublox outperformed novatel on the armadillo rocket
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[17:04] <russss> oh yeah, was that a stock ublox that armadillo were using? How did they get around cocom?
[17:04] <Laurenceb_> cuddlykid: stock arduino or mini one
[17:05] <Laurenceb_> i dont know
[17:05] <Laurenceb_> but they lost radio link due to doppler
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[17:05] <Laurenceb_> and only got a link when it way going <500m.s
[17:05] <Laurenceb_> aiui it can coast on imu
[17:06] <Laurenceb_> they have a really nice xbow one
[17:06] <Laurenceb_> cuddykid: stock arduino or mini one
[17:07] <russss> yeah perhaps just that
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[17:07] <Hiena> http://boreger.toons.hu/xmass/xmass.jpg
[17:08] <Laurenceb_> cuddykid: put a dactyl on it XD
[17:08] <Laurenceb_> tho fsa03 is impossible to get now :(
[17:08] <cuddykid> Laurenceb_: what's the stock arduino one?
[17:09] <cuddykid> found it :P
[17:09] <Laurenceb_> the big pcb
[17:09] <cuddykid> does that work over the alt limit?
[17:09] <Laurenceb_> yes
[17:09] <cuddykid> awesome
[17:09] <Laurenceb_> its ublox5/6
[17:09] <Laurenceb_> but i only have one pcb populated
[17:10] <Laurenceb_> im going to do a version 2 with ublox6 smd module i think
[17:10] <Laurenceb_> maybe max6
[17:11] <Laurenceb_> build a rogallo and stick an arduino mini in it XD
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[17:11] <Laurenceb_> thats really simple
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[17:13] <Laurenceb_> i used http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8372
[17:14] <Laurenceb_> oh wait - http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8371
[17:14] <Laurenceb_> its got really low offset shift
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[17:15] <SpeedEvil> http://fatpita.net/?i=7819
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[17:44] <nosebleedKT_> hi all
[17:44] <nosebleedKT_> im testing the new payload design. outside is 0C. inside is +25C !
[17:44] <hibby> sweet
[17:45] <hibby> we had a group focus purely on foams and their thermal properties last year, and their output was most interesting, shall see if I can dig it up
[17:45] <hibby> when I eventually make it back t'office.
[17:45] <hibby> Did I mention our new High Altitude projects in the uni to y'all?
[17:46] <nosebleedKT_> no :p
[17:47] <SpeedEvil> Aerogel granules are available for thermal insulation.
[17:47] <SpeedEvil> Fairly cheaply.
[17:47] <hibby> we're sending sounding rockets to 100mi and parachuting them back down
[17:47] <nosebleedKT_> granules : king gargules
[17:47] <nosebleedKT_> ?
[17:48] <hibby> testing cubesat payloads and "doing science"
[17:48] <SpeedEvil> http://www.solar-components.com/aerogel.htm
[17:48] <SpeedEvil> Shipping is annoying
[17:48] <hibby> in partnership with our friends in Lulea, Sverige
[17:49] <hibby> hopefully not in the Aperture labs sense
[17:49] <zyp> hibby, which uni?
[17:50] <hibby> Strathclyde, as ever :)
[17:50] Action: hibby is regretting his decision to leave academia at this point, purely because job hunting is not going well
[17:52] <hibby> and in sweden, the uni is lulea tekniska universitet
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[18:00] <zyp> yes, I know
[18:00] <zyp> I went to a norwegian school a few years ago that also has connections there
[18:03] <hibby> heheh
[18:03] <hibby> everypony that's anypony seems to have a connection or two there!
[18:03] <hibby> hopefully my budget will allow for flights :)
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[19:04] <Laurenceb_> http://uk.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Hammond-Manufacturing/1444-16CWW/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMs5J6Fwfw6CO8BC4TPFWnzm
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[19:34] <Laurenceb_> http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww254/morningcookies/WarningDangerDanger.jpg
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[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> merry christmas!
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[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> hello Upu
[21:59] <Lunar_Lander> merry christmas
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[22:51] <fsphil> did you see the soyuz booster reentry Lunar_Lander?
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> the photos that one guy took of it?
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[22:51] <fsphil> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/12/24/fireball-over-germany/
[22:51] <fsphil> video too
[22:51] <fsphil> it would have been too low on my horizon to see it
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> ah that one
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> I thought you meant the failed launch recently
[22:56] <fsphil> nah
[22:56] <fsphil> this fireball was intentional :)
[22:58] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:58] <fsphil> ooh, nearly christmas there
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> wonder if Ruth Jones will show up
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> merry christmas fsphil :)
[23:00] <fsphil> lol
[23:00] <fsphil> you too!
[23:00] <joph> fsphil, missed it -.-
[23:00] <fsphil> an hour here still
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> ?!
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> isn't it the 25th in ireland now too?
[23:01] <fsphil> 23:01, 24th
[23:02] <fsphil> british isles are on GMT at the moment
[23:02] <joph> so, now lets open the 25. door in the advent calendar
[23:02] <fsphil> an hour behind CET
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
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[23:03] <fsphil> there is always people in the gov talking about switching to CET
[23:03] <fsphil> don't think it will ever happen though
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> xD I watched "Ruth Jones' Christmas Cracker" and she was there with that one guy from Gavin & Stacey and they talked about a musical
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> and then they sang
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> "He's a welsh boy!" "No, he's English!"
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:03] <fsphil> all lost on me :) never watched it
[23:04] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[23:04] <Lunar_Lander> but I know a man from the Manchester area and he said that there is still some kind of law that was never lifted (probably because British law overrides it)
[23:04] <Lunar_Lander> something that welshmen in Manchester may be attacked cause they invade England
[23:04] <Lunar_Lander> or so
[23:04] <fsphil> unlikely
[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> you know Hessen?
[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> it's a state here in germany
[23:05] <fsphil> I've heard of it
[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> they still have the death penalty
[23:05] <fsphil> eek
[23:05] <fsphil> is that legal in the EU?
[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> but as federal law overrides that, it is just sitting there
[23:05] <fsphil> aah
[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> and they don't have like the money or mood to get into gear to get that out
[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> cause it is in the state constitution
[23:06] <fsphil> there are variations in laws between the four countries of the uk, but nothing major
[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> and you know, that means a 2/3 majority and stuff
[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> in the end of "Johnny English" the radio guy says that the bad guy will be charged for High Treason
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> "a crime that is still punished by the death penalty" he said
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> is that true?
[23:08] <fsphil> nope
[23:08] <fsphil> there's no death penalty at all now
[23:08] <fsphil> but (according to wikipedia) you can get life in prison for high treason
[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> oh btw
[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> in the bookstore was a book
[23:09] <gonzo_> should re-introduce it
[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> "English like it is really spoken" or so
[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> it said that "yes" actually is like
[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> yae
[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> or so
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> but I think there are regional differences there too
[23:10] <gonzo_> for gross crimes like having annoying mobile telephone ring tones
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> or was it "Yeh"
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> Yer exists too I think
[23:10] <fsphil> english is fun, it has so many versions
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:11] <Lunar_Lander> and I think that it really has some phrases (that book) that one shouldn't use
[23:11] <fsphil> I met someone in from somewhere in the middle of england, and I couldn't understand a word he said :)
[23:11] <Lunar_Lander> like "He plays for the other team"
[23:11] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:11] <gonzo_> regional accents so strong that people can't understand eachother
[23:11] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:11] <fsphil> people from the west and south of ireland are pretty much unintelligible too
[23:11] <gonzo_> even to brits
[23:11] <Lunar_Lander> and the book said that you shouldn't say that sentence
[23:11] <Lunar_Lander> the one I quoted there
[23:12] <gonzo_> glaswegian
[23:12] <fsphil> ooh I've yet to go to glasgow :)
[23:12] <fsphil> that could be fun lol
[23:12] <fsphil> I love the Edinburgh accent
[23:12] <gonzo_> I used to listen the the scots fishermen on HF chatting in the evenings
[23:12] <gonzo_> took an hour to begin to get your ear in to the accent
[23:13] <fsphil> Do you get strong accent differences in Germany Lunar_Lander?
[23:13] <gonzo_> luckilly they used one word very often, which helped work out it was even englisy
[23:13] <daveake_> http://theleveebreaks.co.uk/2009/12/09/a-glaswegian-advent-calendar/
[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> yes, the people from the south and east can be easily differentiated
[23:13] <fsphil> lol daveake_
[23:14] <Lunar_Lander> well, yea like very region has different accents here
[23:14] <daveake_> I posted that on my FB earlier this month. Got a good reception :)
[23:14] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[23:14] <Lunar_Lander> hi daveake_
[23:14] <daveake_> evening
[23:14] <fsphil> I remember hearing that Arnold Swarchenegger's accent is like a farmers in Germany
[23:15] <daveake_> When I went to uni we had people there from all corners of the UK and Ireland. The only people that nobody could understand were the geordies
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> xD yeah I once watched T2 in english
[23:15] <daveake_> fsphil yeah I heard that
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> and Read Heat
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> that was so damn funny
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:15] <fsphil> "all be bck"
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:16] <fsphil> aaah T2 was a good movie
[23:17] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:17] <fsphil> ancient now
[23:19] <fsphil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUKGmsBg0Ss
[23:21] <daveake_> lol I think that's probably where I heard the story
[23:22] <daveake_> " I need your clothes, your boots and your tractor"
[23:30] <fsphil> that would've have been a very different movie
[23:38] <Upu> The Cultivator ?
[23:40] <daveake_> lol
[23:42] <daveake_> "Cultivator 2: Harvest Day"
[23:42] <hibby> Cultivator 3: Ride On lawnmower
[23:43] <Laurenceb_> rise of the lawnmowers
[23:43] <hibby> lol
[23:47] <daveake_> Talk to the land
[23:48] <hibby> lolol
[23:48] <hibby> roflysst
[23:49] <Upu> lol
[23:49] <Upu> daveake_ wins
[23:49] <daveake_> :D
[23:49] <hibby> rolling on the floor laughing yet still somehow typing
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[23:51] <daveake_> hibby I did wonder :)
[23:52] <Lunar_Lander> hi Paradoxial
[23:53] <hibby> hehehe
[23:53] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:53] <Paradoxial> Hi Lunar_Lander
[23:53] <Lunar_Lander> Cultivator 4: The Salvation
[23:53] <Upu> oh evening Lunar_Lander and happy festive shopping fest to you too
[23:53] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[23:53] <Lunar_Lander> Upu that may sound stupid but I'd need James May one more time
[23:53] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[23:54] <Upu> sure 1 sec
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