highaltitude.log.20111222

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[07:46] <nosebleedkt_> good morning europa
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[07:55] <fsphil> and good evening australia :)
[07:58] <nosebleedkt_> oww yeah
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[09:12] <Upu> anyone got a screen shot of spacenear.us with a few recievers on it ?
[09:14] <Darkside> oh yes
[09:14] <Darkside> hold o
[09:14] <Upu> cheers
[09:15] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/A44vx.jpg
[09:15] <Darkside> hows that
[09:15] <Darkside> actuallyi have a better one
[09:16] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/5X4eV.jpg
[09:16] <Darkside> there we go
[09:16] <Darkside> take your pick
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[09:19] <costyn_> Darkside: love all the Aussie town names :)
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[09:19] <costyn_> the Aboriginal ones
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[09:20] <Darkside> i don't think they're really aboriginal
[09:20] <costyn_> plaes like Wagga Wagga and Wodonga?
[09:20] <costyn_> Cootamundra? :)
[09:21] <Darkside> yeah i dunno about those
[09:22] Action: costyn_ listens to Dr Karl on Triple J podcast in the car. Some of those places come by occasionally
[09:22] <Darkside> hehe
[09:22] <Upu> great thx
[09:23] <Darkside> Upu: whatcha using it for?
[09:23] <UpuWork> making a presentation
[09:23] <Darkside> heh ok
[09:23] <UpuWork> got to give local Rotary club a talk
[09:25] <Darkside> they gave you funding?
[09:25] <UpuWork> nah
[09:26] <UpuWork> favour to a customer
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[10:15] <cuddykid> morning all
[10:16] <cuddykid> I've been thinking about working with my old school and possibly others near to me on an outreach sort of thing& The conference talk was great, however I have a couple of questions for those doing it
[10:17] <cuddykid> How much do you charge? And do you attach your own payload with tracking capability to the balloon too?
[10:22] <WillDuckworth> rjharrison has done a few. i think he has his payload as the main one
[10:22] <WillDuckworth> morning
[10:26] <UpuWork> morning
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[11:11] <cuddykid> Cheers Will :)
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[12:11] <Raul_> Hi, any german here?
[12:37] <costyn_> Raul_: nope, I'm Dutch, you were looking for a Hollandish person weren't you?
[12:37] <costyn_> :)
[12:45] <Raul_> yes, I am now launching from Germany between 27-30th
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[13:16] <costyn_> Raul: well it's not gonna help if you keep logging off before i get a chance to talk to you :)
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[17:20] <jcoxon> afternoon
[17:21] <number10> afternoon - did you get some gas?
[17:21] <jcoxon> number10, sort of
[17:21] <jcoxon> there will be He for saturday
[17:21] <jcoxon> steve is providing it
[17:21] <number10> thats good
[17:22] <number10> I wonder if those disposable cyclynders are any good - not particularly cheap
[17:22] <jcoxon> i'm not sure how good the He quality in them
[17:23] <NigeyS> most of them are a mix of he and air
[17:23] <jcoxon> reading peoples reports regarding their party balloons
[17:23] <number10> ah, I think I may have caught mention of that before on here
[17:23] <NigeyS> James what's you're weight for pico6 ?
[17:23] <jcoxon> NigeyS, its crept up
[17:23] <jcoxon> to 38g
[17:23] <jcoxon> makes me sad
[17:24] <NigeyS> ouch, what's the plan for the lift ?
[17:24] <jcoxon> single balloon still
[17:24] <NigeyS> if u inflate it to lift 50g total, i think you might just get a float
[17:25] <jcoxon> i'll prob inflat to lift 40g
[17:25] <jcoxon> very little ascent rate
[17:25] <NigeyS> yeah thats insanely small
[17:26] <NigeyS> picochu-2 was 47g and thats where we hit the 7.3k suspected float, so 40-50 maybe a sweet spot
[17:26] <jcoxon> NigeyS, the additional mass is the fact i had to add a second AAA battery
[17:26] <jcoxon> + a larger bat holder
[17:27] <NigeyS> ahh, the lithiums ?
[17:28] <jcoxon> yeah
[17:28] <NigeyS> :( theyre nice and light, but still to heavy for a pico
[17:29] <jcoxon> but don't fail...
[17:29] <NigeyS> hah yeah, lets stay away from lipos
[17:29] <NigeyS> still gutted about that :/
[17:29] <daveake> Batt holder? Just solder or spot weld them :)
[17:29] <jcoxon> explosive lithiums
[17:29] <jcoxon> nice
[17:30] <jcoxon> :-)
[17:30] <daveake> lol
[17:30] <daveake> Just solder quickly
[17:31] <daveake> Well they didn't explode for me :p
[17:31] <number10> try harder next time daveake
[17:31] <number10> have some fun
[17:31] <jcoxon> i am tempted
[17:32] <daveake> Maybe Buzz wouldn't have made it that high with those extra grams of a battery holder :D
[17:32] <daveake> Er... actually, Buzz1 (soldered) didn't ... Buzz2 (battery holder) did ....
[17:32] <daveake> .... hmm maybe the world record if I'd soldered :D
[17:33] <jcoxon> battery holders make it easier to test
[17:33] <daveake> Indeed
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[17:36] Action: Laurenceb has been dismantling an omrom m2 blood pressur emeter
[17:36] <Laurenceb> lots of pneumatics parts
[17:37] <Laurenceb> 6V chinese solenoid valve
[17:37] <Laurenceb> freescale pressure sensor, toshiba 8 bit micro, cheap dc motor with some seiko diaphragm pump attached
[17:38] <daveake_> I have a Philips one but I'm not going to dismantle it for you :)
[17:38] <Laurenceb> its not very reliable
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[17:38] <Laurenceb> really hard to get good blood pressure readings
[17:39] <daveake_> They're still supposed to be better than white-coat measurements
[17:39] <number10> higher blood pressure works ;)
[17:39] <daveake_> I have that already :p
[17:39] <Laurenceb> if i stay really still and keep in the correct position i get 118/80
[17:40] <Laurenceb> which i guess is ok.. just
[17:40] <daveake_> When my hypertension was diagnosed the doc got 195/130
[17:40] <Laurenceb> eek
[17:40] <number10> you need to send a few balloons out to sea Laurenceb - to get the pressure up
[17:40] <Laurenceb> i got 240 when i first tried it
[17:40] <daveake_> I think he was slightly surprised I was still alive :p
[17:40] <Laurenceb> i twas wondering why i wasnt dead
[17:40] <daveake_> :)
[17:41] <Laurenceb> then i read the instructions
[17:41] <jcoxon> daveake_, there is a lot worse
[17:41] <daveake_> !!
[17:41] <jcoxon> i reckon i'm more accurate then the machines
[17:41] <number10> is it under control now daveake
[17:41] <daveake_> He did go quiet for a while and then said "you need to be on pills"
[17:41] <Laurenceb> i still get weird results on ym right arm
[17:41] <Laurenceb> about 134?80
[17:41] <Laurenceb> which is weird
[17:41] <jcoxon> Laurenceb, thats not good
[17:42] <Laurenceb> but its only on one arm
[17:42] <jcoxon> Laurenceb, google that
[17:42] <jcoxon> then get back to me
[17:42] <number10> brother inlaw just died at 61 from stroke - I dont think his blood pressure was under controll
[17:42] <daveake_> Yeah, it responded very well to pills. I take 3 drugs in 2 pills. Heart wall thickness went from "twice as thick as it should be" to "normal" after 1 year
[17:42] <daveake_> My father and brother both have high BP, so I suspect a genetic cause
[17:43] <number10> thats good
[17:43] <number10> nothing to do with the stress of hab then
[17:43] <daveake_> lol
[17:43] <number10> ;)
[17:43] <Laurenceb> jcoxon: ok so <20 difference is ~ok?
[17:44] <Laurenceb> im not sure i took the measurement correctly - i had just taken a dodgy measurement on that arm
[17:44] <Laurenceb> and you have to leave it for a few minutes?
[17:44] <jcoxon> Laurenceb, hehe
[17:44] <jcoxon> you can get differential BPs in aortic dissection
[17:45] <jcoxon> but yeah if there is a small difference its probably just the machine
[17:45] <Laurenceb> i got some crazy ones before i tried it sitting still and with it at the same level as my heart
[17:46] <Laurenceb> its easy to screw up the measurement
[17:46] <jcoxon> right
[17:46] <jcoxon> bbl
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[17:46] <Laurenceb> anyways its not going to be dismantled for parts XD
[17:46] <Laurenceb> *now
[17:46] <daveake_> :D
[17:47] <Laurenceb> as it looks like ill live
[17:47] <daveake_> Well your left arm will
[17:47] <Laurenceb> lols
[17:47] <daveake_> Not sure about that rigt one ...
[17:48] <Laurenceb> http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/TMP86FS28DFG%28JZ%29/TMP86FS28DFGJZ-ND/1125768
[17:48] <daveake_> number10 I hope you're free on 29th Jan ... my next flight, and they usually go in your direction :)
[17:48] <Laurenceb> thats the processor
[17:50] Action: Laurenceb off, cya
[17:50] <number10> daveake 29th of jan is miles away - you have a reliable forecast - I am sure I will be around
[17:51] <daveake_> First weekend I can manage after the 28-day CAA minimum from application
[17:52] <daveake_> DM promised he'd fix it for me in the new year :)
[17:53] <number10> thats nice
[17:53] <number10> going from home again?
[17:53] <daveake_> Yep. Full-fat payload with cameras
[17:53] <number10> excelent - I will mark the date
[17:53] <daveake_> cheers
[17:54] <daveake_> Xmas job: make the payload :)
[17:54] <number10> yes, I promised myself to do that
[17:55] <number10> are you using buzz conttroller and GPS?
[17:55] <daveake_> No, I have an FSA03 and I'll make another one with that
[17:56] <daveake_> It won't have the pressure sensor but will have an SD card for logging
[17:56] <daveake_> Also it'll probably have a GSM module connected as a backup
[17:56] <number10> like the one on cloud - one of those trackers or a module?
[17:57] <daveake_> No, a module. Those trackers are crap
[17:57] <number10> ah - I have one to use up then :(
[17:57] <daveake_> :)
[17:57] <daveake_> I have a module from a project ages ago
[17:57] <number10> controlled with serial port?
[17:58] <daveake_> Yep
[17:58] <daveake_> Just AT commands
[17:58] <number10> thats good.
[17:59] <daveake_> Also have an olde T39m phone I could use, but that needs PDU mode for sending texts. When I tried before I ran out of memory because of the buffering and/or use of the s/w serial library.
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[18:00] <number10> I just hooked up my FSA03 to the PIC - first attempt at stopping some of the strings comming out not working
[18:00] <number10> just googling T39m
[18:00] <daveake_> An old Ericsson phone. Has TTL-level RS232 at the connector
[18:00] <number10> thats nice
[18:01] <daveake_> For the FSA03, look up jcoxon's article on the ukhas site
[18:01] <daveake_> Tells you all you need to know :)
[18:01] <number10> I was using jcoxongs control strings from github
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[18:02] <number10> mind you I am just hacking at the moment :(
[18:02] <daveake_> :)
[18:02] <daveake_> I flew a UBlox on cloud2 using his strings
[18:02] <number10> I'll check ukhas wiki
[18:02] <daveake_> Every time my code saw a sentence it didn't want, it sent the appropriate command to switch it off. So it was safe if the GPS rebooted for any reason
[18:03] <Dan-K2VOL> anyone around that deals with the setting up of a new payload file for the tracker
[18:03] <Dan-K2VOL> ?
[18:03] <daveake_> Also it sent requests for the ones it wanted if it didn't receive any for a while
[18:03] <daveake_> Not me Dan
[18:03] <number10> havent seen anyone recently dan
[18:04] <number10> did you use AVR or PIC in that one daveake?
[18:04] <daveake_> avr
[18:04] <daveake_> Not flown a PIC yet
[18:06] <number10> I am trying PIC, but I suspect there is something not quite correct as the uart seems to get an error after a few lines of data come out from the FSA03 - so if my RX isnt quite correct my tx may not be
[18:06] <number10> I also have the VBAT floating - think that may need tying to supply or gnd
[18:06] <Dan-K2VOL> cool, no prob
[18:07] <Dan-K2VOL> thanks
[18:07] <daveake_> number10 real or s/w serial?
[18:07] <number10> real
[18:08] <daveake_> So that's the #1 reason for embedded serial problems gone then ;)
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[18:08] <daveake_> What happens ... framing error? parity?
[18:08] <number10> well, as long as the compiler has remebered to select it as it uses the same functio - maybe I check the asm
[18:09] <daveake_> Which compiler?
[18:09] <number10> I currently have it forced to reset the uart - before that it locked up
[18:09] <number10> CCS
[18:09] <daveake_> I thought you'd say that :D
[18:09] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah you need to have your grounds connected, and make sure that your micro oscillators are calibrated if possible
[18:10] <daveake_> Check it's not decided to use a s/w uart
[18:10] <Dan-K2VOL> you might need to not use the internal R/C oscillator if you use fast serial speeds, use external crystal, not a ceramic resonator
[18:10] <number10> i have 20mhs xtal
[18:10] <number10> Mhz
[18:10] <Dan-K2VOL> what's the serial speed
[18:10] <number10> 9600
[18:10] <Dan-K2VOL> that should be dead reliable
[18:11] <number10> I think the error should be low looking at the datasheet
[18:11] <Dan-K2VOL> what voltage are you feeding for the regulated voltage to the micro
[18:11] <number10> 3v3
[18:11] <Dan-K2VOL> what chip is it?
[18:11] <daveake_> CCS will complain if it can't achieve within 3% (I think) of the requested baud rate. 9600 shouldn't be a problem at all - 115k can be
[18:11] <number10> first time I used 3v3 - everything previously at 5v and never had any serial probs
[18:12] <number10> 18f252
[18:12] <number10> I didI did try 18F26K22 - has two uarts - but does not seem to work with the debugger
[18:13] <Dan-K2VOL> hmmm check your data sheet - I know the AVR Atmega328 will not work well at high clock speeds on 3.3v, but it will on 5V
[18:13] <Dan-K2VOL> you may be running your clock too fast
[18:14] <number10> OK Dan-K2VOL - I'll do some checks
[18:15] <daveake_> Are you using an interrupt for Rx?
[18:17] <number10> not at the moment - I only just chucked some code together to make sure I wired up the FSA03 - so I think I need to stop hacking now and do it properly
[18:22] <daveake_> So is the problem the uart buffer filling up?
[18:22] <daveake_> Only 3 characters in hardware IIRC
[18:24] <number10> well it only stops after receiving several strings - but I am echoing them out on another software debug port - and I think thats where the problem is - I will buffer them - but I also need to check why the unwanted strings wont turn off as well
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[18:51] <daveake_> I always set the debug port to a high baud rate .... it's too easy to cause problems by having the debug output cause delays
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[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:59] <Zuph> Afternoon, Lunar_Lander
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[20:00] <Zuph> Well, and you?
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[20:00] <hibby> aye
[20:00] <hibby> how goes
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> I'm good, thanks
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> last night I wrote all christmas letters
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> and today I found four out of five presents
[20:02] <Zuph> Cutting it close, eh?
[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:02] <hibby> good skills
[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> I'm giving my mother a Miss Marple DVD
[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:06] <Zuph> Got all my shopping done by the 12th. And most of it online.
[20:07] <hibby> does that make you a woman?
[20:07] <hibby> :p
[20:08] <Zuph> If avoiding crowded stores and shopping malls makes me a woman, so be it.
[20:08] <hibby> lol
[20:09] <Zuph> Amazon prime is a wonderful thing.
[20:10] <hibby> hahah
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[20:11] <Zuph> And how's yourself, Mr. Hibby?
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[20:24] <hibby> ocht, not too bad all in all
[20:25] <hibby> seeing the old mother at home, programming the msp and drinking wine
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[20:34] <Zuph> How are you liking the MSP?
[20:35] <hibby> lovely :)
[20:35] <hibby> re-learning my best practises
[20:37] <Zuph> heh
[20:37] <Zuph> using CCS?
[20:39] <BrainDamage> there's a gcc port for msp430
[20:40] <Zuph> Yeah, that's what I was using. It worked alright, but the libraries weren't very well documented.
[20:40] <hibby> nah - i'm doing it old style with msp430-gcc and so on
[20:40] <hibby> and on windows I'm using IAR as we have a site license in the university.
[20:40] <Zuph> heh
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[20:42] <hibby> might give ccs a bash
[20:42] <hibby> something to do
[20:45] <hibby> fuck off, TI
[20:45] <hibby> I do not need export approval to download ccs
[21:00] <NigeyS> lol hibby
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[21:05] <Zuph> hah
[21:06] <Zuph> for what it's worth, hibby, I have to fill out the same form :-p
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[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> hello again everyone
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> hello RocketBoy Paradoxial NigeyS
[21:57] <Paradoxial> Hi Lunar
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> there should be a new movie set to be released next summer
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> "My Router hates me!"
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[22:03] <Lunar_Lander1> you see now why?
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[22:57] <number10> have you run a prediction for saturday jcoxon?
[22:59] <jcoxon> yeah
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