highaltitude.log.20111219

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[03:55] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FE-5680A-Rubidium-Atomic-Frequency-Standard-Oscillator-Transceivers-10Mhz-Out-/270873476863?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f11513eff
[03:55] <SpeedEvil> wow
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[07:14] <costyn> hello
[07:15] <costyn> seems raul is looking for me or Tim :)
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[08:37] <Robert_M0RJX> morning all
[08:37] <Robert_M0RJX> A rare visit these days at the moment
[08:38] <Robert_M0RJX> Getting a payload up in the next few weeks
[08:40] <UpuWork> hey Rob
[08:40] <UpuWork> morning
[08:40] <UpuWork> where you launching from ?
[08:40] <Robert_M0RJX> Hey anthony
[08:40] <Robert_M0RJX> Not sure yet either yours or camb
[08:41] <Robert_M0RJX> depending on DM
[08:41] <UpuWork> oh next few weeks
[08:41] <UpuWork> sorry
[08:41] <UpuWork> misread that as hours
[08:41] <UpuWork> lol
[08:41] <Robert_M0RJX> :-)
[08:41] <Robert_M0RJX> It's monday moring
[08:41] <UpuWork> yeah need a coffee
[08:41] <Robert_M0RJX> Is the tracker still working as normal
[08:41] <UpuWork> got a 4 hour drive to Felixstowe
[08:41] <UpuWork> yup
[08:41] <Robert_M0RJX> Cool I'm going to be doing some demo stuff today
[08:42] <Robert_M0RJX> Filming with farnell
[08:42] <UpuWork> as long as your payload is in the list of payloads which I suspect it will be
[08:42] <Robert_M0RJX> Yep it is
[08:42] <UpuWork> let me know if you want me to change the header/title
[08:42] <Robert_M0RJX> For space near us?
[08:42] <UpuWork> yeah
[08:42] <Robert_M0RJX> I think I still have a login
[08:42] <UpuWork> ok
[08:42] <UpuWork> formats changed slightly but sure you can work it out
[08:42] <Robert_M0RJX> :-)
[08:42] <Robert_M0RJX> Yep
[08:44] <UpuWork> right afk making a coffee
[08:49] <UpuWork> much better
[08:50] <Robert_M0RJX> :)
[08:50] <Robert_M0RJX> Changed the title :-)
[08:50] <UpuWork> just wondering why my station isn't appearing on there
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[08:51] <Robert_M0RJX> Hehe you will be the only remote tracker that can hear my data :-)
[08:51] <UpuWork> I know :)
[08:51] <UpuWork> where you doing it ? At Farnell in Leeds ?
[08:51] <Robert_M0RJX> No here at home
[08:52] <UpuWork> oh well let me know when and I'll switch radio over
[08:52] Action: SpeedEvil looks at frequency standards on ebay.
[08:52] <UpuWork> 650 ?
[08:52] <SpeedEvil> Rubidium standards are surprisingly cheap - second hand
[08:52] <UpuWork> 075 is a noisy nightmare round here
[08:52] Action: UpuWork googles Rubidium standard
[08:53] <UpuWork> ah
[08:53] <SpeedEvil> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270873476863&category=25399&_trksid=p5197.c0.m619
[08:53] <Robert_M0RJX> 075 :-(
[08:53] <UpuWork> Free serial port :)
[08:53] <UpuWork> meh
[08:53] <SpeedEvil> ~10^-11 stability or so
[08:53] <UpuWork> I'll see what I can do
[08:53] <UpuWork> what time are you doing it ?
[08:54] <Robert_M0RJX> Hum messing around over the day I'll ping you if i remember
[08:54] <Robert_M0RJX> wx looks crap
[08:55] <Robert_M0RJX> back in a sec
[08:55] <Robert_M0RJX> dropping VPN
[08:55] <UpuWork> ok
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[08:59] <Robert_M0RJX> hum wonder how long it takes for active transmitters to show up
[09:00] <Robert_M0RJX> Has ther sever changed from me yet
[09:00] <Robert_M0RJX> http://robertharrison.org/listen/
[09:03] <UpuWork> 10 mins
[09:03] <UpuWork> you're on there now
[09:04] <Robert_M0RJX> :-)
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[09:47] <Robert_M0RJX> TX'ing
[09:51] <Upu> I see you
[09:51] <Upu> icarus,27,00:00:00,0.000000,0.0b0000,0,0.00,0.0,20.1,20.1 R*599A
[09:52] <Upu> try that ublox you might get a lock with 30 mins of power up :)
[09:52] <daveale> :D
[09:53] <UpuWork> Really on the Ale dave ?
[09:53] <UpuWork> its only 09:53
[09:57] <daveale> lol
[09:57] <daveale> Friggin' cold in this 'ere factory
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[09:58] <UpuWork> these lassens are very slow to get a lock, its not even got the time yet
[09:58] <daveake> All the heavy machines stopped for Xmas, and there appears to be no other source of heat :(
[09:59] <daveake> They're a bit variable. I think mine has an AboutToLaunch mode where it takes even longer than usual
[10:00] <Upu> ***DEBUG MODE***
[10:00] <Upu> :)
[10:01] <daveake> Though last launch it fired up in no time
[10:01] <Upu> just watching Rob, I can pick his payload up at his house from my house
[10:01] <daveake> :)
[10:22] <fsphil> the heating in our office broke last week, I'm sure there was frost on the monitors :)
[10:23] <fsphil> but the factory is always cold, they keep the doors opened too much
[10:28] <daveake> They found a heater for me :-)
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[10:47] <fsphil> off-topic: got the radio connected to the computer, but the PTT is sticking - it keeps transmitting after it's finished. anyone seen that happen?
[10:53] <eroomde> fsphil: connected via the rj45 port?
[10:53] <eroomde> or just audio out?
[10:54] <fsphil> it's a yaesu, and all the connections are at the back. using the data port
[10:55] <fsphil> and the other one, which I think is called the cat port
[10:55] <fsphil> the ptt is done through a serial port on the pc
[11:00] <Darkside> woo i have a packet TNC
[11:01] <Darkside> it comes with a 5.25 floppy disk with software
[11:01] <russss> hah
[11:02] <russss> do people use TNCs any more?
[11:02] <Darkside> yeah APRS
[11:02] <russss> last time I used packet radio was about 15 years ago. Can't you do it all in software these days?
[11:02] <Darkside> yes, but a TNC is better
[11:02] <Darkside> offload the work
[11:03] <fsphil> it's my software tnc that's sticking the ptt
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[11:08] <eroomde> does it do it with a flow control line?
[11:08] <fsphil> it does
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[11:10] <fsphil> it doesn't seem to happen every time
[11:10] <fsphil> -seem
[11:11] <fsphil> half of the times it keeps tx'ing
[11:11] <fsphil> others it ends fine after the packet is sent
[11:13] <fsphil> I have the radio set up to timeout after 1 minute
[11:13] <fsphil> just so I'm not transmitting silence over 144.800.. not that anyone would notice
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[11:20] <Darkside> for some reason i have 6 BNC terminators
[11:20] <Darkside> found them in a bag in the back of my parts cupboard
[11:25] <fsphil> small dummy loads
[11:26] <Upu> I see you on APRS.fi fsphil
[11:26] <Upu> I have no idea how to make my software transmit
[11:26] <fsphil> for this I'm using soundmodem + aprx
[11:27] <fsphil> soundmodem controls the radio
[11:27] <fsphil> aprx does the aprs stuff
[11:27] <Darkside> hmm
[11:27] <Darkside> fsphil: any idea on igate software?
[11:27] <fsphil> aprx seems nice
[11:27] <fsphil> by far the simplest I've seen so far :)
[11:28] <fsphil> it uploads received packets fine, but I've yet to try the opposite
[11:28] <fsphil> other than the beacon packet it transmits every 30 minutes or so
[11:29] <fsphil> it should be configured to accept packets from aprs too
[11:29] <fsphil> aprs-is even
[11:29] <fsphil> it should work with a tnc too
[11:30] <fsphil> I've soundmodem setup as a virtual tnc
[11:30] <fsphil> it appears as a serial port /dev/soundmodem0
[11:30] <Upu> I runwindows...
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[11:34] <fsphil> hmm
[11:35] <fsphil> http://pakettiradio.net/aprsg/ -- does this work with a radio, or just a tnc?
[11:35] <Darkside> fsphil: oh, so it acts as an igate?
[11:36] <fsphil> it does
[11:36] <Darkside> does it need X
[11:36] <fsphil> nope
[11:36] <Darkside> sold
[11:36] <fsphil> lol
[11:36] <fsphil> yea, I like it for that too
[11:36] <fsphil> it really is very simple
[11:37] <Darkside> can you see through traffic?
[11:37] <Darkside> because i want to do some things with the received traffic
[11:37] <fsphil> it has an rf log
[11:37] <fsphil> eg: 2011-12-19 11:20:49.298 2I0VIM T 2I0VIM>APRX21:!5439.05NR00644.89W&Cookstown iGate
[11:38] <fsphil> T for transmitted
[11:38] <fsphil> R for received stuff
[11:38] <Darkside> cool
[11:38] <Darkside> perfect
[11:38] <Darkside> i'll just tail that
[11:38] <fsphil> yea
[11:38] <fsphil> that's how I'm monitoring it at the moment
[11:38] <fsphil> though I don't receive a huge amount
[11:38] <Darkside> this igate is going at my dads place
[11:38] <Darkside> which is 350km from here
[11:38] <Darkside> i'm going to make it blink an LED when it detects ducting
[11:38] <fsphil> 2011-12-15 17:32:32.390 2I0VIM R GI4OYG-9>U4TTYP,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2:`|6^n]#u\"4%
[11:39] <fsphil> }Mervyn from Carrickfergus
[11:39] <Darkside> i.e. if it sees a packet from certain callsigns
[11:39] <fsphil> that's the last thing I received
[11:39] <fsphil> oh that's a neat idea
[11:39] <Darkside> ductometer
[11:39] <Darkside> :-)
[11:39] <Darkside> well, this is going to be easier than i thought
[11:39] <UpuWork> I just want to make sure i can recieve these packets should our american friends "accidentally" the Atlantic again
[11:40] <fsphil> ui-view does it, but it doesn't seem to be free
[11:40] <Darkside> fsphil: how did you get your aprs-is account?
[11:41] <UpuWork> got mine by mailing the author of the software
[11:42] <fsphil> aprx generates the passcode internally
[11:43] <fsphil> from the callsign you give
[11:44] <fsphil> which is apparently all the security aprs-is has
[11:44] <Darkside> but how does it check the callsign?
[11:44] <hibby> I've got a generator about somewhere
[11:44] <hibby> can't remember the url but will look in 10-15 mins
[11:44] <fsphil> it doesn't Darkside
[11:44] <Darkside> wut.
[11:44] <fsphil> yea lol
[11:44] <Darkside> well thats secure
[11:45] <Darkside> where do you set receive location?
[11:46] <fsphil> in the beacon section
[11:46] <Darkside> cool
[11:46] <Darkside> and i can st it to send only to aprsis
[11:46] <Darkside> nice
[11:47] <fsphil> I have http://pastebin.com/tTma8xpT
[11:47] <fsphil> yea
[11:47] <fsphil> I have mine to transmit to both aprsis and the radio
[11:47] <Darkside> yeah i'm not doing a transmitting igate
[11:48] <Darkside> now i need to work out how to make aprx talk to the KPC-3 TNC
[11:49] <fsphil> in theory, just point it at the serial port
[11:50] <fsphil> <interface>
[11:50] <fsphil> serial-device /dev/soundmodem0 19200 8n1 KISS
[11:50] <fsphil> tx-ok true
[11:50] <fsphil> </interface>
[11:50] <fsphil> without the tx-ok bit
[11:50] <Darkside> hean
[11:50] <Darkside> yeah
[11:50] <Darkside> but you need to set it to a certain mode
[11:53] <Darkside> i might have to write something that sends the correct commands to the box
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[11:58] <fsphil> it supports a couple of different modes to KISS
[11:58] <fsphil> any of those match the tnc?
[11:58] <hibby> soundmodem ftw
[12:00] <Darkside> fsphil: dunno
[12:00] <Darkside> i'll find out when i get the damn thing hooked up
[12:00] <Darkside> i dont have a DB25 to DB9 cable
[12:03] <fsphil> lol
[12:03] <fsphil> I remember those
[12:03] <hibby> http://www.rimboy.com/rimdistro/rimigate/calculate/index.php <== aprs pass generator
[12:04] <fsphil> how is the tnc connected to the radio?
[12:04] <hibby> unless it's been taken down...
[12:04] <hibby> :/
[12:05] <Darkside> fsphil: DB9 cable
[12:05] <Darkside> i made a DB9 to 3.5mm cable
[12:05] <Darkside> hibby: yeah its not loading
[12:06] <fsphil> ah, so it's some weird non-standard plug?
[12:06] <hibby> Darkside: yeah, spotted that. annoying, I used it lots.
[12:07] <Darkside> fsphil: no
[12:07] <Darkside> the TNC has a DB9 and a DB25
[12:07] <Darkside> and a barrel jack for pwoer
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[12:08] <fsphil> the plug itself is standard, I meant the wiring. do all tncs use the same kind of rig<>tnc interface?
[12:08] <Darkside> dunno
[12:08] <fsphil> (I'm tempted to get one now)
[12:08] <Darkside> the manual suggests that it came with a empty DB9 plug and some cable
[12:08] <Darkside> so you coudl wire your own up
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[12:10] <gonzo_> pretty much all tnc's have bespoke radio wiring
[12:10] <gonzo_> but simple enough to do
[12:10] <Darkside> hehe
[12:11] <Darkside> dammit i need a DB25 to DB9 cable...
[12:11] <Darkside> also a USB to RS232 adaptor
[12:11] <gonzo_> ? why you want to soil your hands with ta new fangles 9D ?
[12:11] <Darkside> ?
[12:11] <Darkside> well i want to plug the TNC into my laptop
[12:12] <gonzo_> db9 is witchcraft
[12:12] <Darkside> why?
[12:12] <gonzo_> prefer db25
[12:12] <Darkside> heh
[12:12] <gonzo_> better still 80-0-80volt
[12:13] <Darkside> eek
[12:14] <gonzo_> would like to say I'm joking, but I do have one on the mech tty
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[12:18] <fsphil> there is 80v serial?
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[13:03] <Upu> About to set off Robert_M0RJX so if you want my station to recieve start transmitting :)
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[14:21] <Zuph> Morning, #highaltitude
[14:26] <fsphil> hullo zuph
[14:26] <Zuph> How's everything?
[14:28] <fsphil> all good here. busy week before the holidays start. you?
[14:28] <Zuph> Hopefully a lazy week before the holidays start.
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[15:05] <cuddykid> anyone getting any cool HAB stuff for xmas?!
[15:07] <Zuph> I don't know, but I did put a few dev boards on the list I sent to Santa.
[15:07] Action: fsphil is getting a new chair, so can track from home in comfort!
[15:09] <daveake> :)
[15:09] <daveake> I'll be building my next payload
[15:10] <daveake> (to replace the lost one)
[15:10] <Zuph> And hopefully I can find time to finish off the white star tracker.
[15:10] <daveake> and tidying up my chase car now it's back on the road
[15:11] <Zuph> heh
[15:14] <NigelMoby> a sniper rifle.
[15:15] <NigelMoby> with a special scope to shoot down howyeeeeees
[15:15] <daveake> grrrrrr
[15:17] <daveake> (I ordered another NeverBurst yesterday)
[15:17] <NigelMoby> lol
[15:23] <fsphil> 30km range howyeeee
[15:23] <fsphil> gun
[15:23] <fsphil> that would need to be pretty big :)
[15:24] <daveake> Ask RocketBoy if he can make you something to shoot potential record breakers out of the sky :)
[15:26] <costyn> daveake: there was a video the other day of the first rocket to break 100K ft ; it was a pretty big one
[15:26] <daveake> I bet
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[15:33] <number10> how come you are going for another ahoyyee daveake - planning on beating your own record with another small payload?
[15:33] <cuddykid> lol NigelMoby
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[15:36] <daveake> number10 .. undecided yet. Might go for it with H2 and same payload. Otherwise I have a couple of photographic payloads to make and fly
[15:38] <number10> sounds like you have lots planned
[15:38] <daveake> Buzz1 was lighter than Buzz2 but didn't get nearly as high. I don't think payload weight is a big factor when the balloon mass is 10x the payload
[15:38] <daveake> I love it when a plan comes together :p
[15:38] <number10> going to launch from home again or cambs?
[15:40] <daveake> Pass. Haven't applied for permission yet
[15:41] <daveake> Probably home for the photographic one and Cambs for the h2 one
[15:41] <number10> yes you dont want to set fire to the countryside where you live - best do it where noone knows you ;)
[15:42] <daveake> Exactly :D
[15:44] <number10> I can see the headlines unaprochable chap sets fire to 30 acres of wheat
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[15:51] <daveake> Village green. It's grass. :)
[16:09] <fsphil> our launch site is surrounded by very flammable looking dry grass
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[16:10] <BrainDamage> switch to a stechiometric mix of hydrogen and oxygen for the ballon
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[16:12] <fsphil> steam
[16:12] <fsphil> wonder if that would work
[16:14] <fsphil> if it could be kept hot enough
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[17:18] Nick change: ben_apex_ -> benoxley
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[17:21] <nosebleedKT> I just learned my salary
[17:21] <nosebleedKT> and its funny
[17:26] <nosebleedKT> fsphil: how much do u get?
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[17:47] Action: SpeedEvil makes some summer pudding.
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[18:32] <fsphil> not enough nosebleedKT :)
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[18:44] <Raul_> Hey guys
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[19:19] <Laurenceb_> http://www.finishing.com/412/53.shtml
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[19:32] Action: SpeedEvil enjoys some summer pudding.
[19:32] <SpeedEvil> Nom.
[19:32] <SpeedEvil> Oh
[19:33] <SpeedEvil> I forgot gooseberries.
[19:33] <SpeedEvil> meh
[19:34] <Laurenceb_> im a little worried about nuclear power now
[19:35] <Laurenceb_> one would hope they didnt have to resport to forums
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[19:47] <SpeedEvil> Huh?
[19:47] <SpeedEvil> Oh.
[19:47] <SpeedEvil> Consultation - practically - has to be of such a level that it can't be successfully challenged as not being real through Judicial Review.
[19:53] <Raul_> Hi
[19:57] <Upu> Would a SOT232 sized MOSFET be ok for a pyro cut away board ?
[19:58] <Upu> 560mW power disappation
[19:58] <Upu> anyone measured what power is disappated with you trigger a pyro ?
[19:58] <fsphil> it won't dissipate that much power when it's fully on?
[19:59] <fsphil> it depends on the on resistance
[19:59] <SpeedEvil> Look at the current drawn
[19:59] <fsphil> or whatever the technical name is :)
[19:59] <SpeedEvil> And on resistance is a little complex to calculate
[19:59] <SpeedEvil> Rds(on)
[19:59] <SpeedEvil> As it's specified at room temperature
[19:59] <SpeedEvil> The threshold voltage rises with low temp
[20:00] <SpeedEvil> So rds(on) rises
[20:00] <Upu> hmm
[20:02] <SpeedEvil> Common error.
[20:03] <SpeedEvil> Vgs(th) should be mostly ignored, you don't care about it
[20:03] <SpeedEvil> It's not a voltage at which the FET usefully switches
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[20:07] <SpeedEvil> Upu: what's the microcontroller voltage?
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[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> hello everyone
[20:16] <fsphil> o/
[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> nice to be back :)
[20:16] <daveake> Back from hiding :)
[20:16] <Raul_> Hey lundar lander
[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> did something significant happen in HAB?
[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> xD yea
[20:16] <Raul_> lunar launder* sorry
[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> hey Raul_
[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> no problem :)
[20:16] <Raul_> lunar, what are the laws concearning hab launches from Germany?
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> there are not that many laws, you only have to notify the flight safety (which is called DFS), eight working days in advance
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> they'll file a NOTAM then
[20:17] <nosebleedKT> fsphil: how much :)
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> the only problem is the insurance thing that I mentioned last time
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/ZXMN2A03E6TA/ZXMN2A03E6CT-ND/386042
[20:18] <Raul_> Oh, I am planning to fly into Holland and launch (with the balloon falling in N-W Germany)
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> For example
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> do you know Tim Zaman?
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> This one says a max of 0.1R at 2.5V Vgs.
[20:18] <Raul_> I know him, but he saied he can't help with the launch&recovery
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:19] <Raul_> for that I contacted Andrew Barton from White Label GLXP team
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> I just asked because his christmas balloon did what your balloon is going to do
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> fly from NL to germany
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:20] <Raul_> haha, now thinking about it, I could go to my dad who works in central Germany for the flight
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[20:20] <Raul_> in a small village called Lauda
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> in Thueringen?
[20:21] <Raul_> Koningschafen something
[20:21] <Upu> SpeedEvil sorry was on the phone 3.3v
[20:21] <Raul_> I myself live in Romania, here it will take 45days minimum for getting a permit, in Hungary 90 days!
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> yeah that sounds bad :(
[20:22] <Upu> Haha 90 days ? More than that here...
[20:22] <daveake> Worse for some ;)
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> Upu: See above
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> Upu: Off the main battery, or a supplemetnaty one?
[20:22] <Upu> well
[20:22] <Upu> main battery probably
[20:23] <Upu> subject to testing
[20:23] <Upu> rocket motor ignitor blows so quickly I doubt it will cause any issues
[20:23] <SpeedEvil> It may short as it blows
[20:23] <SpeedEvil> Does that matter?
[20:23] <Upu> not really
[20:24] <SpeedEvil> I mean - if you get a reset
[20:24] <Upu> but they tend to blow clean
[20:24] <Upu> reset will just start the counter again should it happen
[20:24] <Raul_> What should I do guys? fly into Holland to launch it with a guy from GLXP team or drive to Germany to launch with my dad
[20:24] <SpeedEvil> If you don't have permission in .de. you can't launch from there
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[20:27] <Raul_> so they don't give anyone a permission if I tell them 8 days prior?
[20:27] <Lunar_Lander> they should, I think
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[20:29] <Raul_> I'm having a huge dillema here, Holland or Germany :)
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[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> NL maybe
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[20:40] <Raul_> Lunar Lander, in which part of Germany do you live?
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> Lower Saxony
[20:55] <Laurenceb_> http://acidcow.com/pics/20111213/epic_fail_pics_17.jpg
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[22:31] <Jessica_Lily> Lunar_Lander my friend!
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[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> hello :)
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> and hello RocketBoy
[22:32] <Jessica_Lily> hello ^_^
[22:32] <Jessica_Lily> you haven't spoken in some time
[22:32] <Jessica_Lily> i have been missing my german sidekick
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> yeah true :)
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:33] <Jessica_Lily> :P
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