highaltitude.log.20111215

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[03:08] <natrium42> so, what's next?
[03:08] <SpeedEvil> Journey to the centre of the earth?
[03:09] <natrium42> how?
[03:09] Action: SpeedEvil has a shovel.
[03:15] <natrium42> :D
[03:15] <natrium42> SpeedEvil: bed time?
[03:16] <SpeedEvil> My sleep cycle is very broken, probably not for another 10 hours, maybe 12 ideally.
[03:16] <SpeedEvil> As that will get me closer to normal.
[03:17] <natrium42> mine is broken too
[03:17] <natrium42> i go to bed at 3-4am
[03:17] <natrium42> :S
[03:18] <SpeedEvil> I wokeup at 7PM.
[03:18] <natrium42> me at 12pm...
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[07:52] <nosebleekt_> good morning !
[08:08] <costyn> ola!
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[08:17] <nosebleekt_> what da ** ?
[08:18] <nosebleekt_> all = ola in greek
[08:19] <costyn> ola = hello in Spanish
[08:23] <natrium42> hello nerdboys & nerdgirls
[08:27] <costyn> natrium42: nerdgirls? where!?
[08:27] <costyn> there are no girls on the internet!
[08:29] <natrium42> they are just hiding
[08:33] <nosebleekt_> lol
[08:33] <nosebleekt_> natrium42: how are the calipornia teens ? :p
[08:34] <natrium42> teens nowadays....
[08:34] <natrium42> i have difficulty speaking with them
[08:34] <nosebleekt_> haha
[08:34] <natrium42> the way they talk and things they talk about....
[08:35] <nosebleekt_> lol
[08:35] <natrium42> and i am living on stanford university campus
[08:35] <natrium42> one would have thought that this would be a selected crowd :P
[08:35] <nosebleekt_> how about the way the walk ?
[08:35] <nosebleekt_> how about the way they walk ?
[08:35] <natrium42> :D
[08:35] <nosebleekt_> Aerosmith - walk this way
[08:37] <nosebleekt_> ee Terminator is currently the governor of calipornia
[08:37] <nosebleekt_> ?
[08:37] <natrium42> yeah
[08:37] <nosebleekt_> po po
[08:37] <nosebleekt_> i need to come
[08:37] <natrium42> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WKJ5JtvIrI
[08:38] <nosebleekt_> i want to meet him
[08:38] <nosebleekt_> he is my fav actor
[08:38] <nosebleekt_> hero
[08:38] <nosebleekt_> whatever
[08:38] <nosebleekt_> get to tha chopa
[08:38] <natrium42> well, everybody is here
[08:38] <natrium42> you should come
[08:39] <natrium42> i met so many famous people
[08:39] <natrium42> world is small here
[08:39] <nosebleekt_> really?
[08:39] <nosebleekt_> i just wannt meet terminator
[08:39] <natrium42> everybody comes to silicon valley
[08:39] <nosebleekt_> actresses want silicon boobies and they come to the valey?
[08:40] <natrium42> dude, holywood is a bit south
[08:40] <natrium42> i am in northern cali
[08:40] <natrium42> :D
[08:40] <nosebleekt_> lol
[08:40] <nosebleekt_> calipornia is bigger than greecE?
[08:40] <natrium42> everything is bigger than greece
[08:41] <nosebleekt_> lol
[08:41] <nosebleekt_> i haven't travelled more than 900km away from home
[08:41] <natrium42> i thought long voyages were in greek genes
[08:42] <nosebleekt_> lol
[08:42] <nosebleekt_> i didnt have money the last 26yrs of my life
[08:42] <natrium42> are you still studying or working?
[08:42] <nosebleekt_> now if im a good boy and stay on this job maybe i do some long trip
[08:43] <nosebleekt_> studing-armying-currently working
[08:43] <natrium42> aah
[08:43] <natrium42> so what are you fantasies of american girls fueled by?
[08:43] <natrium42> you'll be disappointed
[08:44] <nosebleekt_> i dislike american girls
[08:44] <nosebleekt_> european are FAR better
[08:44] <natrium42> european girls dress much nicer and have good posture
[08:44] <natrium42> ^
[08:44] <nosebleekt_> yeah
[08:44] <costyn> Ome^ijS: heh
[08:44] <natrium42> oh man, so many girls wear sweat pants in public
[08:44] <costyn> eh
[08:45] <natrium42> why not give up on society altogether?
[08:45] <costyn> oops wrong channel
[08:45] <nosebleekt_> lol
[08:45] <gonzo_> what cahn could that ever make any sense!
[08:45] <gonzo_> chan
[08:46] <natrium42> he's an alien!
[08:46] <natrium42> get him!
[08:46] <nosebleekt_> he is a calipornia teen
[08:46] <nosebleekt_> :P
[08:46] <costyn> gonzo_: my work channel... Ome^ijS is one of my collegues irc nickname
[08:46] <gonzo_> or fell asleep and head butted the kbd
[08:46] <nosebleekt_> lol
[08:46] <gonzo_> hehe, worked that out. But just looks funny coming out of the blue
[08:46] <costyn> hehe
[08:47] <natrium42> that's exactly what an alien would say to cover up his slip up
[08:47] <nosebleekt_> natrium42:
[08:47] <costyn> it does... it roughly translates in dutch as 'uncle ice'; i've never understood the nick though... maybe I should ask him
[08:47] <gonzo_> it's the green slime that causes it
[08:47] <nosebleekt_> natrium42: two months ago i was working as php dev in another job. There we had lots of saleswomen each one for their country.
[08:48] <natrium42> php, ouch
[08:48] <nosebleekt_> guess who was the most gorgeus
[08:48] <nosebleekt_> all were nice, but one was the TOP
[08:48] <natrium42> swedish girl?
[08:48] <nosebleekt_> no lol
[08:48] <gonzo_> russian
[08:48] <natrium42> persian?
[08:48] <nosebleekt_> russian !
[08:48] <natrium42> aah
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[08:48] <gonzo_> good guess
[08:49] <nosebleekt_> persian taliban?
[08:49] <natrium42> well, russia didn't have witch hunts
[08:49] <natrium42> so they kept good genetic pool
[08:49] <natrium42> western europe destroyed theirs
[08:49] <nosebleekt_> lol
[08:49] <nosebleekt_> and she is married to a greek guy
[08:49] <nosebleekt_> from crete
[08:49] <nosebleekt_> :P
[08:49] <nosebleekt_> where is your god now !
[08:49] <natrium42> my condolescences
[08:50] <nosebleekt_> condom what?
[08:50] <gonzo_> at least gives some hope to the rest of us ugly buggers
[08:50] <nosebleekt_> i dont get caliuange
[08:50] <natrium42> but girls in russia overdress
[08:51] <gonzo_> translate: make mmore effort
[08:51] <costyn> yea Eastern European girls can be very very hot... Ukranian girls are also amazing... only problem is at a certain age they turn into big babushka's
[08:51] <natrium42> they dress like models, but then live in what looks a little better than a cave
[08:51] <costyn> natrium42: hehe yea this is true
[08:51] <natrium42> it's all about external appearance
[08:51] <nosebleekt_> ahhahahahahahahaha costyn
[08:51] <natrium42> well, my GF is ukrainian
[08:51] <nosebleekt_> big babushka's
[08:51] <natrium42> :P
[08:51] <nosebleekt_> EPIC
[08:52] <gonzo_> in the uk, they LOOK like the live in a cave
[08:52] <gonzo_> and do
[08:52] <natrium42> rofl
[08:52] <nosebleekt_> lol
[08:52] <nosebleekt_> epic highaltitude conversation
[08:52] <costyn> natrium42: kewl.. .is she hot? :)
[08:52] <costyn> gonzo_: haha
[08:52] <nosebleekt_> lol
[08:52] <natrium42> yes, of course
[08:52] <Darkside> nosebleekt_: we have lots of interesting conversations in here
[08:52] <natrium42> :P
[08:52] <costyn> natrium42: good, good :)
[08:52] <natrium42> Darkside: it's past business hours :P
[08:52] <gonzo_> only because there are no launches announced
[08:52] <Darkside> sex, drugs, rock and roll
[08:53] <nosebleekt_> natrium42: next quiestion: does she have a sister ? :pppp
[08:53] <Darkside> yeah someone needs to launch dammit
[08:53] <costyn> gonzo_: yea we get distracted by things like women
[08:53] <gonzo_> sex, drugs, saussage rolls
[08:53] <gonzo_> distracts us all
[08:53] <costyn> hehe
[08:53] <gonzo_> the willy is a big short circuit path in the brain
[08:54] <natrium42> nosebleekt_: nope, it's too hard to make ends meet with many children
[08:54] <natrium42> that's why my parents left russia with us
[08:54] <nosebleekt_> omg
[08:54] <natrium42> 4 children
[08:54] <natrium42> :P
[08:54] <nosebleekt_> so, do you got a sister ?
[08:54] <nosebleekt_> :pp
[08:54] <natrium42> yeah, two
[08:54] <gonzo_> very hard to make ends meet, they keep disturbing you
[08:54] <natrium42> one sec
[08:54] <costyn> nosebleekt_: now you're just coming across desperate :P
[08:55] <nosebleekt_> haha
[08:55] <gonzo_> (put greases on the berdoom door handle so the little buggers can't get in)
[08:55] <costyn> gonzo_: haha
[08:55] <nosebleekt_> im sure if i understand the meaning costyn but i laugh in anyway
[08:55] <costyn> nosebleekt_: well you seem very eager to get a Russian/Ukrainian girlfriend hehe
[08:56] <natrium42> nosebleekt_: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-e4CQxYkicDg/THqvFa8j3HI/AAAAAAAADIw/sIbvgx3C66E/s576
[08:56] <costyn> nosebleekt_: there are quite a few websites where you can look for ukranian brides if that's your thing
[08:56] <natrium42> i am teh oldest
[08:56] <nosebleekt_> natrium42: LOL
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[08:56] <nosebleekt_> you look like mafia
[08:56] <costyn> natrium42: how young is your youngest sister?
[08:56] <natrium42> ...
[08:56] <nosebleekt_> the mafia boss and his women
[08:57] <nosebleekt_> btw sisters look sweet
[08:57] <gonzo_> hehe, now he's dribbling!
[08:57] <nosebleekt_> bouhahaha
[08:57] <costyn> hehe I'm sure
[08:57] <natrium42> costyn: ...
[08:57] <natrium42> 18
[08:57] <nosebleekt_> costyn: i have twice a eastern girlfriend
[08:57] <nosebleekt_> costyn: they are simple nice and dont ask too kuch
[08:57] <nosebleekt_> much*
[08:58] <nosebleekt_> far better than greek modern attitude
[08:58] <costyn> hehe
[08:58] <nosebleekt_> where most girls before 25 have travelled all greek exotic islands
[08:58] <costyn> natrium42: ah... well then I guess I can say she's pretty nice looking ;)
[08:58] <natrium42> it's all how i raised her
[08:58] <natrium42> :D
[08:59] <nosebleekt_> natrium42: so they are with you in calipornia ?
[08:59] <daveake> lol
[08:59] <natrium42> nope, they're back in canada
[08:59] <natrium42> i am going there for the holidays on sat
[08:59] <nosebleekt_> ahh :(
[09:00] <nosebleekt_> then i should seek for eastern girls in my place :P
[09:00] <natrium42> lol, good luck
[09:01] <nosebleekt_> lol
[09:01] <natrium42> do you have greek hair?
[09:01] <nosebleekt_> wtf is greek hair?
[09:01] <costyn> natrium42: define "greek hair"?
[09:01] <nosebleekt_> :pp
[09:01] <natrium42> curly & stuff
[09:01] <nosebleekt_> curly?
[09:01] <natrium42> we're actually 1/8th greek
[09:01] <nosebleekt_> i know
[09:01] <natrium42> how?
[09:01] <nosebleekt_> ancient greeks got much curly
[09:01] <SpeedEvil> So you smash shot-glasses?
[09:01] <nosebleekt_> now us !
[09:02] <natrium42> it's the 1/8th of me that spends too much money >:|
[09:02] <nosebleekt_> my hair is black is difficult to manage :P
[09:02] <natrium42> hot
[09:03] Action: natrium42 hugs nosebleekt_ in a non-gay way
[09:03] <natrium42> like a viking!
[09:03] <costyn> lol
[09:03] <nosebleekt_> natrium42: my hair is like that https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=6ced8167a5&view=att&th=134396089a969e57&attid=0.1&disp=thd&realattid=f_gw5fk8330&zw
[09:03] <nosebleekt_> LOL
[09:03] <costyn> nosebleekt_: link doesnt work
[09:04] <gonzo_> hair??? I remember that!
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[09:04] <costyn> gonzo_: you had some long time ago?
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[09:04] <natrium42> whatever, they will solve baldness soon
[09:05] <natrium42> in the future they will be hair-in-a-can that you can just spray on
[09:05] <nosebleekt_> actually this is the pic they are going to put in the magazine i write the article
[09:05] <costyn> my hair is thinning out on top too meh
[09:05] <nosebleekt_> natrium42: http://imagebin.org/188658
[09:06] <nosebleekt_> thats how the made me :P
[09:06] <nosebleekt_> they*
[09:06] <costyn> heh... very greek :)
[09:06] <costyn> just lik natrium42 looks quite Russian :)
[09:06] <nosebleekt_> lol
[09:06] <natrium42> lies!
[09:07] <nosebleekt_> russian faces defaults to mafia
[09:07] <natrium42> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-RL7ox25r2mY/TcbsPPj-LxI/AAAAAAAAMHg/XgOlim__9dw/s576
[09:07] <natrium42> don't i look greek?
[09:07] <nosebleekt_> lol
[09:07] <natrium42> D:
[09:07] <costyn> hehe
[09:07] <nosebleekt_> who is that status there?
[09:07] <costyn> you look East European
[09:07] <nosebleekt_> alexander?
[09:07] <natrium42> screw you guys, i am going home /cartman
[09:08] <nosebleekt_> lol
[09:08] <costyn> natrium42: why, do you want to look Greek?
[09:08] <nosebleekt_> natrium42: you 'll never get greek :P
[09:08] <nosebleekt_> because he is 1/8th already
[09:08] <natrium42> but my great grandma was greek :(
[09:08] <nosebleekt_> and the other 7/8 prefers the 1/8
[09:08] <SamSilver> I am 1/16 greek
[09:08] <nosebleekt_> lol
[09:09] <SamSilver> the rest scottish
[09:09] <natrium42> i am 1/4 geek
[09:09] <SamSilver> geek ?
[09:09] <nosebleekt_> i should stop reading this channel cause i smile too much and i will be seen
[09:09] <SamSilver> only a 1/4
[09:09] <natrium42> nosebleekt_: we already lost Darkside i think
[09:09] <nosebleekt_> lol
[09:09] <nosebleekt_> stop
[09:09] <nosebleekt_> please
[09:09] <natrium42> i saw him backing away slowly
[09:10] Action: nosebleekt_ goes to make a greek coffee
[09:10] <natrium42> isn't it really german now, though? :P
[09:10] <costyn> hehe
[09:14] <nosebleekt_> back
[09:20] Action: costyn got something to drink too
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[09:50] <nosebleekt_> silent hill
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[10:23] <cuddykid> morning all
[10:24] <SpeedEvil> Morn
[10:24] <cuddykid> :)
[10:24] <WillDuckworth> how's it going cuddykid?
[10:24] <UpuWork> 3 hours to get to work meh
[10:25] <daveake> Takes me 3 minutes, and that includes topping off at the loo on the way :)
[10:25] <daveake> stopping
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[10:26] <natrium42> hmm, Si103x or CC1120?
[10:26] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: great thanks, last day at uni today - how about you?
[10:26] <UpuWork> wel normally takes 20 mins but due to a really mild bit of snow everyone turns into morons on the road
[10:26] <daveake> Which reminds me .... I swear that yesterday my farts smelt of latex.
[10:26] <daveake> Not sure what I've been eating ....
[10:26] <UpuWork> lol
[10:27] <daveake> I have the HAB bug
[10:27] <cuddykid> UpuWork: That's not good.. We have snow every year yet still can't deal with it!
[10:27] <UpuWork> no does my head in
[10:27] <cuddykid> haven't had a single flake here in nottingham :S
[10:28] <daveake> PLenty here (Berkshire) yesterday but nothing settles
[10:28] <daveake> d
[10:28] <WillDuckworth> nothing Worcs way yet..
[10:29] <Laurenceb> snow in derbyshire
[10:30] <Laurenceb> only settling on the hills - theres a snowline
[10:30] <Laurenceb> none in notts :P
[10:39] <AndChat|> Meh
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[10:40] <NigelMoby> ffs, stupid piece of crap.
[10:40] <fsphil> no sign of snow here
[10:40] <fsphil> I feel left out :p
[10:41] <NigelMoby> none here just sheep
[10:41] <SamSilver> we never get snow here ... ever
[10:41] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: I heard something about snow overnight in west mids
[10:42] <cuddykid> Laurenceb: are you in notts currently?
[10:42] <Laurenceb> yes - at work :P
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[10:42] <cuddykid> ahh cool
[10:43] <Laurenceb> you live in nottingham?
[10:43] <cuddykid> at uni there
[10:43] <Laurenceb> lol i work at the uni
[10:43] <cuddykid> proper one, not trent ;)
[10:43] <cuddykid> oh right!
[10:43] <Laurenceb> where abouts?
[10:43] <cuddykid> I'm staying by west entrance
[10:43] <nosebleedkt_> costyn: have some good link that discusses which of the kernel versions are considered mature so can be used in production ?
[10:43] <cuddykid> broadgate park
[10:43] <Laurenceb> ah
[10:43] <Laurenceb> what are you studying
[10:44] <costyn> nosebleedkt_: eeeh.. no sorry :)
[10:44] <cuddykid> economics, doing some comp sci modules too :)
[10:44] <Laurenceb> ah
[10:44] <nosebleedkt_> costyn: :)
[10:44] <Laurenceb> im based in eng
[10:44] <fsphil> SamSilver, snow there would probably make global news :)
[10:44] <cuddykid> ahh right! - I have yet to approach the eng dept with regards to HAB
[10:44] <cuddykid> have you mentioned HAB to them yet?
[10:45] <SamSilver> yip sure would
[10:46] <SamSilver> I am kind of wishing I never bought 2000grams of long life lubber
[10:46] <SamSilver> am scared it gonna float back to china
[10:46] <costyn> SamSilver: where do the prevailing winds go where you're at?
[10:47] <fsphil> lol
[10:47] <costyn> SamSilver: if you're scared of a floater, just give it more helium
[10:47] <NigelMoby> overfill overfill ;)
[10:47] <daveake> I did with Buzz, and look what happened there :)
[10:47] <fsphil> or add air
[10:48] <SamSilver> south west
[10:48] <NigelMoby> argon!
[10:48] <fsphil> lol
[10:48] <costyn> fsphil: add air to the helium in the balloon? what effect does that have?
[10:48] <NigelMoby> lead weight effect.
[10:48] <Laurenceb> cuddykid: i work on medical devices for a SPIN OFF COMPANY
[10:48] <Laurenceb> SO NO
[10:48] <Laurenceb> arg capslock
[10:48] <NigelMoby> lol
[10:49] <NigelMoby> CAN'T HEAR U LAURENCE
[10:49] <fsphil> haha, I thought the caps where for dramatic effect
[10:49] <SamSilver> costyn: it is swings and round abouts more He lower burst less payload also works but I had it all calculated before purchase
[10:49] <x-f> SamSilver, will you have a cutdown?
[10:49] <fsphil> costyn, less lift and lower burst altitude
[10:49] <fsphil> makes it work like a smaller balloon
[10:50] <costyn> fsphil: makes sense :)
[10:50] <costyn> thx
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[10:50] <NigelMoby> attach a cat to it, the claws make a nice cutdowns.
[10:50] <fsphil> I'm sure it's not exactly like that, but close enough
[10:51] <cuddykid> Laurenceb: ahh ok :D
[10:51] <SamSilver> x-f: yip working on a cutdown with an uplink
[10:52] <x-f> ooh, advanced
[10:52] <cuddykid> oohhh uplink :)
[10:52] <daveake> The uplink zaps the cat who scratches the balloon?
[10:52] <cuddykid> SamSilver: are you using proper decently powered radio on ground?
[10:52] <NigelMoby> Yush Dave lol
[10:53] <SamSilver> yip 200w
[10:53] <cuddykid> brilliant
[10:53] <SamSilver> reciever
[10:54] <SamSilver> still have not selected an airbourne radio
[10:54] <SamSilver> dtmf decoder kind of sorted
[10:55] <cuddykid> good stuff - I can't wait to see how these easy radios perform - but something is tell me it will be rather underwhelming lol
[10:55] <daveake> I've only tried those on the ground. Worked up to about 200m away with buildings in the way
[10:57] <SamSilver> what about an RF amp on the Tx
[10:59] <cuddykid> that might work
[11:00] <SamSilver> or just send a mouse up with the cat to distract it for an hour or sooooo
[11:00] <SamSilver> then it plays with balloon
[11:02] <daveake> A Man's version of Man Lab :)
[11:08] <Laurenceb> http://www.sensortechnics.com/clc
[11:08] <Laurenceb> ^nice
[11:12] <NigelMoby> The Low Orbit Helium Assisted Navigator (LOHAN) team is delighted to announce today that a heavyweight team of postgraduate students from the University of Southampton will be tackling the design of our Vulture 2 spaceplane.
[11:12] <NigelMoby> that's cheating!
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[12:18] <Laurenceb> http://www.sensortechnics.com/index.php?fid=300&fpar=YToxOntzOjQ6InBjaWQiO3M6MzoiMjczIjt9&isSSL=0&aps=0&blub=157e3a543ad3f055c6b35507e77f23dd
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[12:31] <SamSilver_> Laurenceb: nice 60mW power consumption but needs 15V for He, not a train smash
[12:31] <Laurenceb> people have suggested for use with filling
[12:32] <Laurenceb> im not sure how accurate itd be
[12:32] <Laurenceb> sensortechnics have some epic new products
[12:32] <SamSilver_> Oh I was thinking along the lines of ballasting
[12:32] <Laurenceb> ah
[12:32] <BrainDamage> looks like it could be used to measure airspeed directly
[12:32] <Laurenceb> http://www.sensortechnics.com/index.php?fid=300&fpar=YToxOntzOjQ6InBjaWQiO3M6MzoiMjk3Ijt9&isSSL=0&aps=0&blub=32ff2274443138b1eb6e4701b0744ced
[12:32] <SamSilver_> saw the cap level sensor
[12:32] <BrainDamage> 1l/min is about 0.2km/h
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[12:32] <Laurenceb> BrainDamage: http://www.sensortechnics.com/index.php?fid=300&fpar=YToxOntzOjQ6InBjaWQiO3M6MzoiMzExIjt9&isSSL=0&aps=0&blub=04454726c4701a1e5bf6e62cb201abdb
[12:33] <Laurenceb> is much nicer - insane performance
[12:33] <BrainDamage> thanks
[12:33] <Laurenceb> im using a honeywell 26pc01smt for a pitot application atm
[12:33] <Laurenceb> its not brilliant
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[12:35] <Zuph> That level sensor is really neat
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[12:48] <fsphil> anyone recommend a good email client for android?
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[12:49] <Randomskk> fsphil: personally I just use the gmail one
[12:49] <Randomskk> it got even nicer on android 4
[12:49] <Randomskk> but then I use gmail for everything so...
[12:49] <Randomskk> (well, google apps, with several email addresses feeding in to it, anyway)
[12:50] <Jessica_Lily> rawrrr
[12:50] <Jessica_Lily> not been around here of late
[12:50] <Jessica_Lily> my mac died
[12:50] <Randomskk> hiya
[12:52] <fsphil> have you broken free of the mac world, or did you go back? :)
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[12:54] <Jessica_Lily> i fixed my mac :P
[12:54] <Jessica_Lily> and now im here
[12:54] <BrainDamage> fsphil: k9
[12:54] <NigeyS> meh macs.........................
[12:55] <BrainDamage> fsphil: there's even a plugin to have gpg support
[12:56] <fsphil> lol
[12:56] <fsphil> I seen K9 in the google searches BrainDamage, seems popular
[12:56] <fsphil> will give it a spin
[12:58] <BrainDamage> like 0.5*tau*omega^2, or more like hbar*sqrt(s(s+1)) ?
[12:58] Action: Jessica_Lily jumps on fsphil
[12:58] <Upu> easy there tiger
[12:58] <costyn> lol
[12:59] Action: fsphil falls of his chair :p
[12:59] <costyn> fsphil: that's twice in 2 days now
[13:00] <fsphil> yes, I really much get it checked
[13:00] <daveake> Too much guiness
[13:01] <Laurenceb> the reality distortion field went away?
[13:07] <NigeyS> never
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[14:04] <Laurenceb> http://diydrones.ning.com/profiles/blogs/apm-2-0-release
[14:04] <Laurenceb> hmm im tempted
[14:05] <Laurenceb> its so shitty in so many ways..
[14:05] <Laurenceb> but at least it works
[14:08] <costyn> Laurenceb: looks nice, what all is shitty about it?
[14:08] <Laurenceb> the gps, the power supply, the processor
[14:08] <Laurenceb> no radio
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[14:10] <Elwell> rr if its "the world's only Univeral Autopilot"[1] how can it be "best of breed"?
[14:10] <Laurenceb> bullshit
[14:11] <Elwell> [1] and don't get me started on the "world's only what?" apostrophe
[14:11] <costyn> Elwell: that's marketing for you :)
[14:12] <WillDuckworth> but it's purple
[14:12] <Elwell> so's barney...
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[14:14] <WillDuckworth> HABarney
[14:14] <BrainDamage> 200$ looks a bit overpriced for the hardware
[14:14] <BrainDamage> hardware is like, 30,40$?
[14:14] <BrainDamage> with gps being the most expensive item
[14:15] <BrainDamage> must really be a niche market
[14:15] <Zuph> Heh, Problem: "We need more processing power." Solution: "More Arduino clones!"
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[14:17] <Zuph> BrainDamage: GPS alone is probably $20. One 2560 is like $8 in small quantities. I bet cost, including manufacturing, is close to $80-$100.
[14:18] <Laurenceb> yeah
[14:18] <Laurenceb> my autopilot board is ~$250
[14:18] <Laurenceb> but its got way way more power
[14:19] <Zuph> Heh, yeah
[14:20] <Laurenceb> and i used the best parts for everything
[14:20] <Zuph> Even a crappy Cortex-M3 could crunch numbers better.
[14:20] <Laurenceb> and ordered in single quantities from farnell
[14:20] <Laurenceb> about an order of mag faster
[14:20] <Laurenceb> its not crappy
[14:21] <Laurenceb> nah i wont be getting one
[14:22] <costyn> Laurenceb: well that much is clear :P
[14:23] <Laurenceb> http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?x=0&y=0&lang=en&site=us&KeyWords=AE1450-ND
[14:23] <Laurenceb> when you see it...
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[14:23] <costyn> hehehe
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[14:48] <SamSilver_> 23793 items in stock
[14:49] <SamSilver_> thats 23Km of cable
[14:50] <SamSilver_> is that what you saw Laurenceb ?
[14:50] <BrainDamage> vendor
[14:51] <SamSilver_> Manufacturer ?
[14:51] <SamSilver_> lol
[14:52] <SamSilver_> afk
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[15:15] <doughecka> http://www.arrl.org/news/view/amateur-radio-balloon-flight-crosses-atlantic-sets-records?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
[15:19] <fsphil> good article
[15:26] <WillDuckworth> it had a neck lift of 286 grams
[15:26] <WillDuckworth> with hydrogen
[15:26] <fsphil> ah ha
[15:26] <fsphil> I suspected H2
[15:27] <WillDuckworth> found info here: http://www.californianearspaceproject.com/CNSP-11_info.html
[15:28] <fsphil> lithium batteries, that explains why it transmitted for so long
[15:29] <Dan-K2VOL> did you say dilithium?
[15:29] <Dan-K2VOL> hydrogen?!
[15:29] <fsphil> I lost my dilithium crystals
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[15:30] <fsphil> I was wondering before if they'd used H2, and if that had some effect on the balloon to make it last as long as it did
[15:31] <Dan-K2VOL> well it would reduce the diffusion rate
[15:31] <Laurenceb> hmm
[15:31] <fsphil> yea, bigger molecules
[15:31] <Laurenceb> yeah but the latex lasted bettwen as well
[15:32] <Dan-K2VOL> the hydrogen could have reacted with the latex (or whatever they're making it out of)?
[15:32] <fsphil> does helium diffusing through the latex have an efect?
[15:32] <Dan-K2VOL> well it lowers lift
[15:32] <fsphil> on the latex itself I mean
[15:32] <Dan-K2VOL> no, helium is about as inert as it gets
[15:33] <fsphil> true
[15:43] <Zuph> IIRC, the Eveready 8x Lithiums are the same L91 cells as the E2 lithiums.
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[15:45] <Dan-K2VOL> I think that's a typo
[15:47] <Zuph> I know at some point I've seen lithiums branded eveready.
[15:49] <Zuph> Not recently, though.
[15:50] <Zuph> You see Eveready Lithiums online, but they always picture Energizers :-p
[15:52] <SAIDias> Arent Energizer Lithium a Li-Po?
[15:53] <Zuph> No
[15:53] <Zuph> http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/l91.pdf
[15:56] <SAIDias> How does it differ to a Li-Po?
[15:56] <SAIDias> I cant find a Li-Po datasheet
[15:57] <Dan-K2VOL> Lithium Polymer is rechargeable
[15:57] <Dan-K2VOL> Lithium Iron Disulfide is not
[15:57] <Dan-K2VOL> Li/FeS2 performs much better than LiPo in cold
[15:57] <Dan-K2VOL> and power per weight ratio
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[15:58] <Zuph> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_battery#Chemistries
[15:59] <SAIDias> Li/FeS2 -40C & Li-Po -20C?
[15:59] <NigeyS> you wont get a lipo working at -20 thats cack
[15:59] <Dan-K2VOL> mostly so
[15:59] <Dan-K2VOL> it's not a simple cutoff
[16:00] <NigeyS> all mine, and tests have gone dead at below -8
[16:00] <Dan-K2VOL> so use energizer e2 lithiums (Li/FeS2) when you need cold performance
[16:01] <daveake_> Some on RS are certainly specced for -20. I've never tried using one at low temps though
[16:01] <Dan-K2VOL> your amount of current draw will need to be taken into consideration
[16:01] <Laurenceb> could be that the hydrogen reacted
[16:01] <Zuph> Although they will self-heat a little.
[16:01] <NigeyS> Dan-K2VOL, i was only drawing <100ma probably not much self heating with such a small draw
[16:02] <SAIDias> but if the batteries are insulated well, they really wont see temps that low
[16:02] <Zuph> They will if you stay in the air for 50+ hours.
[16:02] <Laurenceb> ""
[16:02] <SAIDias> Zuph: you think so
[16:03] <NigeyS> yuhuh
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[16:03] <Dan-K2VOL> oh this sounds pleasant: "The primary mechanism of injury with button battery ingestions is the generation of hydroxide ions at the anode. The hydroxide ions result in a chemical burn."
[16:03] <Dan-K2VOL> -wikipedia
[16:04] <NigeyS> oh thats a nice thing to look forward to if ever i swallow a battery.....lol
[16:04] <Zuph> A downright summer holiday, I'm sure.
[16:05] <Dan-K2VOL> who'd have thought a 3v 120mAh cell would be capable of anything like a burn
[16:05] <gonzo_> the good old 9V batt stings on the tongue, bet it makes the eyes water when it comes out the other end!
[16:06] <NigeyS> well if its been ingested, its more about the raw chemicals that make up the battery aint it ?
[16:06] <Zuph> Well, that's 500 joules crammed in there.
[16:06] <NigeyS> lol gonzo_
[16:06] <Dan-K2VOL> doesn't seem to be the chemicals NigeyS, I thought it would have been
[16:07] <NigeyS> me too :|
[16:07] <Dan-K2VOL> according to this pleasant section: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_battery#Safety_issues_and_regulation
[16:08] <SAIDias> im not convinced that a well insulated battery would get that cold
[16:08] <NigeyS> SAIDias, insulate it in some aerogel, and it'll probably be fine
[16:08] <Dan-K2VOL> well I suppose it is chemicals, but I think it's the chemical created external to the sealed cell by the electricity
[16:09] <Dan-K2VOL> SAIDias, it depends on many factos
[16:09] <Dan-K2VOL> r
[16:09] <NigeyS> a too-rapid discharge of a lithium battery can result in overheating of the battery, rupture, and even explosion
[16:09] <Dan-K2VOL> SAIDias, where are you from
[16:09] <NigeyS> heh yeah, lipos are nice and explosive when pierced to !
[16:10] <Randomskk> explosion is a bit of an exaggeration
[16:10] <Randomskk> more like violent fire
[16:10] <NigeyS> lots of smoke and hissing to
[16:11] <Zuph> heh
[16:12] <SAIDias> I dont think slapping some cheap EPS foam box together is going to do the job
[16:12] <SAIDias> expanded poly not extruded
[16:12] <NigeyS> Aerogel Granules :)
[16:13] <SAIDias> extruded poly absorbes moisture
[16:13] <SAIDias> I have never worked with Areogel, so I can't comment on that
[16:14] <Dan-K2VOL> anyway, it's a simple calculation of stored solar heat + generated heat (from discharge reaction and electronics inefficiency and heater elements) - heat loss
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[16:15] <Dan-K2VOL> a good dark payload will store plenty of heat in the battery mass during the day
[16:15] <NigeyS> black payload box then ? :D
[16:16] <Dan-K2VOL> spirit of Knoxville IV's battery stack stayed above 20 for most of the night without using the resistive heaters, I think it only came on for about a half hour near dawn
[16:16] <Dan-K2VOL> while the external temp was ~ -50C
[16:17] <Dan-K2VOL> that was painted black, and had 5" of polystyrene foam insulation
[16:17] <NigeyS> thats impressive
[16:17] <Dan-K2VOL> that included the heat generated by the electronics, which is imporant
[16:18] <SAIDias> A dense polystyrene foam has great insulative properties
[16:18] <Dan-K2VOL> getting temperature telemetry from inside your battery pack is generally really valuable data, moreso than from on the circuit board of the flight computer
[16:20] <SAIDias> although, I have never tried BB bubble wrap, I don't feel it would be better than polystyrene foam
[16:21] <Dan-K2VOL> if you're flying only daytime, you can skip a lot of the insulation as long as it's airtight and dark colored
[16:21] <Dan-K2VOL> the bubble wrap doesn't do much at all at night
[16:22] <Dan-K2VOL> the temperature on one of his bubble wrapped long latex flights fell off a cliff at sunset
[16:24] <SAIDias> why don't ppl wrap the exterior of their payload with photovoltaic cells
[16:24] <Zuph> Heavy, expensive, can't derive a lot of power from them (relative to batteries)
[16:25] <SAIDias> Heavy?
[16:25] <Dan-K2VOL> not terribly,
[16:25] <Dan-K2VOL> but
[16:25] <Zuph> Well, weight per unit energy.
[16:25] <UpuWork> Dan when are you sending us a payload deliberately ?
[16:25] <SAIDias> they could easily recharge/maintain batteries
[16:25] <Dan-K2VOL> the power-to-weight ratio doesn't come out in favor of solar cells unless you run longer than energizer lithiums can
[16:25] <SAIDias> i dissagree
[16:25] <Dan-K2VOL> due to the very light weight of the e2 lithium cells
[16:26] <Dan-K2VOL> well, it may also depend on your power draw requirement
[16:26] <SAIDias> photovoltaic cells by them selves are light
[16:26] <Zuph> And fragile, if not in an epoxy carrier.
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[16:26] <Dan-K2VOL> they are light
[16:27] <SAIDias> for a flight, what threats are there?
[16:27] <Dan-K2VOL> it would be easy to work up a spreadsheet to explore the comparison, it may be better for lower latitudes, or summer, we compared them for White Star
[16:27] <Dan-K2VOL> which will have low sun angle in the winter, up to 50 degrees latitude
[16:27] <Dan-K2VOL> which could be improved by a sun tracking mechanism, but that's more weight
[16:28] <SAIDias> but at altitude, that doesnt make any difference
[16:28] <Dan-K2VOL> which thing
[16:28] <SAIDias> the position of the sun
[16:29] <SAIDias> oh well, not worth debating over...will just fly one and see
[16:29] <SAIDias> we can speculate all day
[16:30] <Dan-K2VOL> sure
[16:30] <Dan-K2VOL> it has to be done
[16:30] <Dan-K2VOL> to go farther
[16:31] <SAIDias> 50 hours using an energizer battery isnt going to cut it
[16:31] <NigeyS> i'm gonna give all my payloads a can of redbull, will woop anyones ass then! :p
[16:31] <Dan-K2VOL> WA2ADG is working on building a solar powered 200 gram 10 meter payload
[16:31] <Dan-K2VOL> WA4ADG
[16:31] <Dan-K2VOL> haha nigey
[16:31] <NigeyS> :D fear the wings!
[16:31] <Dan-K2VOL> this past flight is about as far as 50 hours is ever going to take you
[16:31] <Zuph> Comparing http://www.sparkfun.com/products/7840 to L91 Lithiums:
[16:31] <Dan-K2VOL> they really had a fantastic wind
[16:32] <Zuph> Panel = 7 Lithium batteries in weight, which is about 36kJ.
[16:32] <Dan-K2VOL> 10m is aparently really opening up worldwide
[16:32] <SAIDias> Zuph: what panel are you using as your example?
[16:32] <Zuph> If you can get 4 sun-hours per day, then the panel compares favorably to batteries.
[16:32] <Zuph> The sparkfun panel I linked.
[16:32] <WillDuckworth> http://www.selectsolar.co.uk/brand/6/powerfilm-inc
[16:33] <Zuph> But that doesn't include the weight of rechargeable batteries, circuits, etc.
[16:33] <NigeyS> wow 100grams for just the panel
[16:33] <SAIDias> I work with a photovoltaic manufacturing company. I can get JUST the photovoltaic cells. REALLY light weight
[16:34] <SAIDias> the majority of the weight is in the frame/enclosure, not not the cells themselves
[16:34] <eroomde> that's a huge advantage
[16:34] <WillDuckworth> those powerfilm ones are only a few grams
[16:34] <NigeyS> http://www.selectsolar.co.uk/prod/266/powerfilm-mp72150-200ma-72v-mini-solar-panel
[16:34] <NigeyS> ideal, and 26grams
[16:35] <Dan-K2VOL> ho nice
[16:35] <NigeyS> eroomde, had a Q for you earlier, but cant remember what it was now ...lol
[16:35] <SAIDias> my point exactly
[16:35] <NigeyS> i saw some really funky parachute, it was related to that
[16:35] <UpuWork> Dan-K2VOL you know when you send one over are you doing a cut down and geofence to terminate the flight ?
[16:36] <NigeyS> land in anywhere in the u.k but not in my back garden!
[16:36] <Dan-K2VOL> we have manual remote control, so thankfully we've not had to do the programming of such a fence!
[16:36] <Dan-K2VOL> but
[16:36] <Zuph> UpuWork: We've got positive control over the thing. We can tell it to slice down.
[16:37] <UpuWork> ok how does that work at the other side of the world, would it need someone over here to terminate the flight ?
[16:37] <Dan-K2VOL> but the plan is to cut it down near, but not on, a civilized area, so someone can go retreive the thing
[16:37] <Dan-K2VOL> Iridium satellite network
[16:37] <UpuWork> ah
[16:37] <Dan-K2VOL> two-way comms worldwide
[16:37] <UpuWork> click !
[16:37] <UpuWork> ok you have a northern england recovery team here o7
[16:38] <Dan-K2VOL> excellent!
[16:38] <NigeyS> welsh 1 to, just dont hit the sheep ok !
[16:38] <UpuWork> hell I'll even go south if needs be
[16:38] <SAIDias> LOL, how much is WhiteStar willing to spend to beak the record?
[16:38] <UpuWork> I'd avoid scotland
[16:38] <Dan-K2VOL> haha it's padded, and so are sheep, what's the harm
[16:38] <UpuWork> primarily because its full of scots
[16:38] <UpuWork> but secondly because its full of hills
[16:38] <NigeyS> UpuWork, most people do ;)
[16:38] <Dan-K2VOL> White star won't be breaking any existing records on the arhab charts
[16:38] <UpuWork> avoid liverpool as it will just get shot down/stolen
[16:38] <SAIDias> I guess we had NASA's budget we could goto the moon too
[16:39] <Dan-K2VOL> the flight last week is not possible to beat with a ZP balloon in the jet stream using exempt payloads
[16:39] <NigeyS> haha they'll nick the dam alcohol ballast thinking they can drink it in liverpool ;)
[16:39] <UpuWork> well whatever we can do from this side of the pond just let us know
[16:39] <Dan-K2VOL> unless the ZP balloons are suddenly an order of magnitude better at staying up with our new vent
[16:39] <Dan-K2VOL> but I don't think they will be that much
[16:39] <SAIDias> what "charts" is WhiteStar working towards?
[16:40] <Zuph> Well Dan-K2VOL, we've got a shot at beating Duration
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[16:41] <Dan-K2VOL> possibly, but the mark caviezel ZP statistics dont
[16:41] <Dan-K2VOL> look good
[16:41] <Dan-K2VOL> the max was 40 hours, and it was quite an outlyer
[16:42] <Zuph> Nope, but there's a shot
[16:42] <Dan-K2VOL> what we're going to focus on now really is the core reason for these flights, which is collecting telemetry data that will help amateurs understand how to better ballast
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[16:43] <SAIDias> better ballast...? what ballast control was used on K6RPT?
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[16:43] <Dan-K2VOL> the 'first to cross the atlantic' was just the sparkly fun to the mission
[16:43] <Zuph> Great circle distance will be tough to beat by anyone launching from the US, just based on how the winds blow: http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/display/1323966980-16476-74.164.245.158.html
[16:43] <Dan-K2VOL> k6RPT used a superpressure balloon, which doesn't require ballast
[16:44] <Dan-K2VOL> zero pressure balloons require ballast
[16:44] <Dan-K2VOL> or higher altitude than the jet stream
[16:45] <Dan-K2VOL> a superpressure balloon for a 5.7kg payload would be untenable by amateurs
[16:45] <Dan-K2VOL> however a zero pressure balloon is quite usable
[16:45] <Dan-K2VOL> for that weight
[16:45] <SAIDias> wow Dan, you seem to know all the answers
[16:45] <SAIDias> good luck
[16:46] <Dan-K2VOL> SAIDias, I have spent 6 years researching and 35 flights testing to find these tentative answers
[16:46] <Dan-K2VOL> I know some answers, but I know a lot more questions
[16:46] <Dan-K2VOL> that need yet to be answered
[16:46] <Dan-K2VOL> which is why I continue
[16:47] <Dan-K2VOL> like how much helium does the ZP lose per day? (this will let you know how much ballast you need per day)
[16:48] <Dan-K2VOL> and what is a technique that amateurs can use to create a plastic balloon capable of 3 psi superpressure?
[16:48] <SAIDias> I guess for those who care about ZP
[16:48] <Dan-K2VOL> yes, it is for the amateur scientists and explorers that this is for
[16:49] <Dan-K2VOL> for them to be able to launch experiments easier, and with more freedom, to go farther than we can now with public science knowledge
[16:49] <SAIDias> thats the GREAT thing about this hobby, lots of different avenues of interest...not one way if better then any other
[16:49] <Dan-K2VOL> :-)
[16:50] <SAIDias> CNSF, iHAB, EOSS, WhiteStar, Bill Brown, all do their own thing
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[18:32] <jcoxon> evening all
[18:32] <Dan-K2VOL> eve
[18:33] <eroomde> yo
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[18:41] <Zuph> hola
[18:41] <Zuph> (late hola)
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[18:54] <SAIDias> anyone ever flown a wifi access point?
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[18:55] <SAIDias> if so, what sort of range did you get?
[18:55] <jcoxon> SAIDias, radio licence laws are against you i think
[18:56] <SAIDias> how you figure?
[18:56] <jcoxon> well in the UK it would be - the power would be above the allowed rating for airborne operation
[18:56] <jcoxon> for that frequency
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[18:57] <SAIDias> most wifi routers are 250ma - 2.4ghz
[18:58] <SAIDias> what regs do you think (in the UK) prevent this?
[18:58] <SpeedEvil> No, they're not
[18:58] <SpeedEvil> you mean mW presumably
[18:58] <SAIDias> yeah, sry typo
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[19:09] <RocketBoy> UK regs covering Licence Exempt equipment are IR2030
[19:12] <RocketBoy> this one seems to be the most recent http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=ir2030&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CEAQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fstakeholders.ofcom.org.uk%2Fbinaries%2Fspectrum%2Fspectrum-policy-area%2Fspectrum-management%2Fresearch-guidelines-tech-info%2Finterface-requirements%2FIR2030final.pdf&ei=hkbqTs3pGJSp8QPI_cD5CQ&usg=AFQjCNHEeQUDQgrzqchf1mGHqc48VPOVPA&sig2=7uy_pFJESv98qXn1JWxR8g
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[19:13] <RocketBoy> SAIDias:
[19:16] <RocketBoy> needs to say "Equipment may be used airborne" if you are planning to fly it
[19:16] <Zuph> SAIDias: I talked to a group at Dayton that flew an access point.
[19:16] <Zuph> Got a link at 23km.
[19:17] <Zuph> I have their card at home
[19:17] <RocketBoy> and testing will need to conform to the appropriate EN 300 spec
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[19:19] <RocketBoy> Depends on the regs - is this for the US?
[19:23] <SAIDias> RocketBoy: yeah
[19:23] <SAIDias> RocketBoy: I dont think there is any restrictions in the us
[19:24] <Zuph> SAIDias: Nope, and if there were, the FCC wouldn't care.
[19:24] <RocketBoy> na ther is its called part 15 i think
[19:24] <SAIDias> heck, we have commercial aircraft with onboard wifi
[19:24] <SAIDias> Zuph: so you got a link from 23km?
[19:24] <RocketBoy> yeah it may be allowed - but ther will be regs
[19:24] <Zuph> No, I've met a group that managed to do it, though.
[19:25] <SAIDias> Zuph: cool, do you have any details on the group?
[19:25] <Zuph> 23km altitude, no idea about range.
[19:25] <Zuph> SAIDias: I've got their card at home, I'll dig it out this evening.
[19:25] <RocketBoy> did they know it to be leagal - or did they just not care?
[19:25] <Zuph> They told me it was legal, but I didn't really press them on that issue.
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[19:27] <SpeedEvil> Peoples understanding of the law can be poor.
[19:28] <SpeedEvil> Relying on it can be a bad idea, when it's generally qutie easy to check with some googling
[19:29] <RocketBoy> yeah
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[19:33] <Dan-K2VOL> that does bring up the idea of using passing airliners for internet access :-P
[19:34] <Zuph> heh
[19:35] <Dan-K2VOL> If you had a top silvered balloon you could use it as a spherical reflector to focus
[19:35] <Dan-K2VOL> though it's not as good a a parabolic, it does work
[19:36] <Zuph> Silver the other end and get an inmarsat contract :-p
[19:38] <Zuph> Or some sweet pirate satellite TV.
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[19:48] <Dan-K2VOL> haha
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[20:32] <doughecka> hmm, ubiquiti wireless has some nice dish type accesspoints. Outdoor rated and cheaper than the typical linksys router too. Problem is that sort of equipment draws quite a bit of power.
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[20:52] <natrium42> interesting read http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/1215/Exclusive-Iran-hijacked-US-drone-says-Iranian-engineer
[20:52] <natrium42> so looks like they faked GPS
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[20:52] <natrium42> and the drone thought that it was over landing strip
[20:53] <doughecka> hmmm
[20:53] <doughecka> drone should be using encrypted gps
[20:53] <doughecka> military grade, etc.
[20:54] <Zuph> Clever
[20:55] <doughecka> but apparently that military grade stuff isn't all that
[20:55] <doughecka> quite clever indeed
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[21:29] <Hes> doughecka: We have a bunch of ubiquitis in use here, they are better than linksys... good OS and pretty good UI
[21:30] <fsphil> I had a linksys self destruct recently. the main ic has a hole in it
[21:30] <Zuph> My linksys just keeps on truckin'
[21:30] <fsphil> yea, they're normally pretty good (sans-PSU)
[21:30] <NigeyS> mine met the wall....
[21:31] <doughecka> They are pretty awesome... plus some of the units can be adjusted to be in ham radio frequencies, and higher power levels.
[21:31] <Zuph> heh
[21:32] <fsphil> ham wan
[21:32] <fsphil> han
[21:32] <NigeyS> lol
[21:32] <fsphil> I'll make a HAN, and call it SOLO
[21:32] <NigeyS> there's gotta be a joke in there somewhere...
[21:32] <fsphil> That is not the joke you are looking for
[21:33] <NigeyS> lol
[21:33] <doughecka> keep the han in hanukkah
[21:33] <fsphil> NHK World have the craziest graphics sometimes
[21:34] <fsphil> thing about parent-child violence, one of the icons looked like a parent had a hammer for a hand
[21:34] <fsphil> and the one beside it appeared to be someone spitting lightning
[21:34] <fsphil> not sure I'd like them for parents either
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[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[21:56] <Dan-K2VOL> Hi kev
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> hi Dan-K2VOL
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think about the transamerica-transatlantic effort?
[22:02] <Dan-K2VOL> fascinating rubber, those hwoyees are
[22:02] <Dan-K2VOL> it clearly superpressured
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> thanks for informing me about that
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> I told all the people that those were pinhole floaters
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> so I have to correct myself there :)
[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> it would be interesting to cut one Hwoyee up and test the rubber properties
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[23:11] <Lunar_Lander> hi daveake
[23:12] <daveake> evening :)
[23:12] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[23:13] <daveake> Pretty good. Chase car is back on the road after waiting at the garage for an unavailable part (eventually bought from a scrapper). Playing with nice new laptop this evening.
[23:14] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[23:14] <Lunar_Lander> I'm starting to feel better
[23:17] <daveake> Oh, wossup?
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> ah, trouble with my dad
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> and yesterday, a woman got hit by a car and I saw that from the bus
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> and today, the guy grading the homework wrote on it "you seem to show no will to complete the course"
[23:22] <daveake> Not good
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> which resulted in me calling the professor and telling him that I don't accept that
[23:22] <daveake> Good for you
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:23] <daveake> Friend of mine has been putting together some videos from my first launch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLE8h_3jdcY and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAHgxqgk4as if anyone's interested in seeing how not to do it :p
[23:23] <fsphil-laptop> people, who needs 'em
[23:25] <fsphil-laptop> hmm.. youtube has broke firefox
[23:25] <daveake> youtube, or my image?
[23:26] <fsphil-laptop> youtube lol
[23:27] <fsphil-laptop> "aaah that's that the bottle's for" ... yea I got that comment too
[23:28] <daveake> lol
[23:29] <daveake> That first launch I found quite hard work - trying to remember what to do whilst keeping everyone informed and/or busy
[23:29] <fsphil-laptop> yea I can imagine
[23:30] <fsphil-laptop> the wires!
[23:31] <daveake> I know!! I was cringing watching that
[23:31] <daveake> I changed loads of things for my next launch
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[23:41] <Lunar_Lander> hi Paradoxial
[23:43] <Paradoxial> Hi Lunar_Lander
[23:43] <Paradoxial> How's it going?
[23:43] <Lunar_Lander> I'm OK
[23:43] <Lunar_Lander> and you?
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