highaltitude.log.20111204

[00:01] <SpeedEvil> pylon?
[00:01] <russss> it's one of those things where it's very difficult to estimate the actual probability.
[00:01] <russss> I don't think hitting pylons is a large risk
[00:01] <russss> I don't think hitting *anything* is a large risk
[00:01] <russss> for certain values of "large".
[00:01] <russss> :/
[00:02] <fsphil-laptop> landing on a busy road
[00:02] <russss> roads are like 0.001% of the land area of the UK
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[00:02] <russss> roads which actually have cars on, probably much less.
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[00:02] <fsphil-laptop> yep
[00:02] <fsphil-laptop> pylons are probably less common again
[00:03] <russss> pylons subtend more vertical height than roads though
[00:03] <russss> you can argue back-of-the-envelope statistics all day, and I certainly enjoy that.
[00:04] <fsphil-laptop> I just keep my payloads small and squishy
[00:04] <russss> but what insurance does is reduce the variance on your return value
[00:04] <russss> the expected value is the same. 99.999% of the time you have to pay £0 in compensation
[00:06] <russss> do we know what the largest claim the Met Office has paid out was?
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[00:07] <fsphil-laptop> I've not heard -- might be worth a FOI request
[00:07] <NigelMoby> few thousand Iirc
[00:07] <russss> well I know there have been FOI requests
[00:08] <russss> but perhaps it's worth spending a bit of time to try and work out exactly what to ask
[00:08] <russss> so we can get the best information
[00:08] <NigelMoby> that was for landing on a conservatory roof
[00:08] <natrium42> why don't you guys set up a private fund?
[00:08] <russss> natrium42: because of the variance
[00:08] <natrium42> i don't see wow insurance would be cheaper
[00:08] <natrium42> *how
[00:09] <natrium42> with a regular insurer
[00:09] <russss> the mean amount of a claim normalised per launch is probably £0.50 or something
[00:09] <natrium42> as they are set to make a profit as well
[00:09] <russss> but the theoretical maximum is the cost of an aircraft engine
[00:09] <russss> which is up to £30m
[00:10] <natrium42> i see
[00:10] <fsphil-laptop> would it not be the aircrafts responsibility to avoid the balloon? the launches are published
[00:10] <natrium42> exactly
[00:10] <russss> I honestly don't think it's theoretically possible that you could bring a whole aircraft down with a HAB, but if you did that your claim could be in the £1-2bn range
[00:10] <natrium42> the airline should pay for destroying the balloon! :P
[00:10] <SpeedEvil> It's certainly possible.
[00:10] <SpeedEvil> It's unlikely.
[00:11] <SpeedEvil> But possible - sure.
[00:11] <russss> I don't think that issuing a NOTAM absolves you of liability for damage
[00:11] <SpeedEvil> For example, a balloon hitting an airliner with an engine out.
[00:11] <russss> it's just a courtesy thing
[00:12] <natrium42> so why would the balooon be at fault and not the aircraft?
[00:12] <mattltm> natrium42: Just the man I have been looking for :)
[00:12] <natrium42> orly?
[00:12] <natrium42> :)
[00:12] <russss> natrium42: I don't know, perhaps it wouldn't
[00:12] <mattltm> Got a minute to talk about the tracker?
[00:13] <russss> I haven't flown a jet, I'd love to. I would suspect avoiding a balloon might be quite difficult
[00:13] <SpeedEvil> natrium42: The anser is simple.
[00:13] <SpeedEvil> natrium42: They have bigger laywers than you. Hence it's your fault.
[00:13] <russss> there are a load of cynical answers to that question
[00:13] <Lunar_Lander> good evening mattltm
[00:13] <mattltm> Hi Lunar_Lander
[00:14] <natrium42> man sure
[00:14] <natrium42> mattltm: *
[00:14] <natrium42> damn my connection is slow
[00:15] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[00:15] <Lunar_Lander> and hi natrium42
[00:16] Action: russss is watching When We Left Earth with a whisky
[00:16] <daveake> sob
[00:16] <russss> such a great TV show
[00:16] <Lunar_Lander> hey daveake congrats for your flight!!
[00:16] <daveake> Cheers :)
[00:16] <Lunar_Lander> :) did you find it?
[00:17] <daveake> Nope
[00:17] <Lunar_Lander> oh :(
[00:17] <daveake> Didn't go looking .... didn't really have a tight landing prediction so decided to go to Bruges instead. Mrs Dave spent a bunch of my money there!
[00:18] <Lunar_Lander> well I got an strange email from my book on demand service, that my password was resetted because of safety reasons
[00:18] <Lunar_Lander> I just asked them what that crap is about
[00:18] <daveake> No cameras or anything expensive on board, so I'm not worried about the loss.
[00:18] <daveake> Might get someone local to go listen tomorrow. Batteries should be good till midnight Sunday
[00:18] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[00:18] <Lunar_Lander> better than strange e-mails daveake
[00:18] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[00:23] <daveake> Buzz's balloon ready to launch ... https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150405405582654&set=oa.227196340682070&type=1&theater
[00:23] <NigeyS> hey dan
[00:23] <daveake> and here's Buzznik :-) .... https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150405405687654&set=oa.227196340682070&type=1&theater
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[00:24] <daveake> Spot the reason why the radio was crap :(
[00:24] Action: daveake forgot to straighten out the aerial :p
[00:24] <Dan-K2VOL> hi nigey
[00:25] <NigeyS> lol Dave
[00:25] <daveake> Damned by photographic evidence :p
[00:26] <NigeyS> totally :)
[00:27] <daveake> I was pretty sure that was going to be the reason; I didn't realise we'd have the proof!
[00:27] <NigeyS> you know better for next time :)
[00:27] <daveake> Yep
[00:27] <daveake> The ground plane is that shape because it made it look like Sputnik :)
[00:28] <daveake> Oh, and the aerial wire was pink. So it's all Upu's fault :)
[00:28] <Dan-K2VOL> yall are up late
[00:28] <daveake> Long day!
[00:29] <NigeyS> redoing windows :/
[00:29] <Dan-K2VOL> ooh I see some flights today
[00:29] <fsphil-laptop> geotagging
[00:29] <Dan-K2VOL> cool
[00:29] <NigeyS> at the space dan ?
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[00:31] <Dan-K2VOL> yep
[00:31] <Dan-K2VOL> taking stock of what parts are needed to complete SpeedBall-2
[00:31] <NigeyS> 2? :o
[00:31] <NigeyS> did i miss speedball 1 launch? lol
[00:31] <Dan-K2VOL> and going to do some meticulous logic analyzer tapping of the In Reach
[00:32] <Dan-K2VOL> hehe
[00:32] <Dan-K2VOL> nah, but SB-1 is done, and we documented it well enough to make an exact copy, so why not, the building of it was the easy part
[00:32] <Dan-K2VOL> well, except for the comm controller part!
[00:32] <NigeyS> haha oh that comm controller was such fun though!
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[00:39] <Dan-K2VOL> yeahhh
[00:40] <Dan-K2VOL> well, this time someone else has volunteered to be tortured. -er write the code I mean
[00:40] <Lunar_Lander> hi Dan-K2VOL
[00:40] <Dan-K2VOL> hey kevin
[00:41] <NigeyS> lol no, right the first time, tortured! :p
[00:41] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL: strangeness is here
[00:41] <Dan-K2VOL> hehe I'm doing the reverse engineering of the protocol, which I find to be the good part
[00:41] <Dan-K2VOL> ohh?
[00:41] <Lunar_Lander> wanna know why?
[00:41] <Dan-K2VOL> sure
[00:42] <Lunar_Lander> got an email from the book on demand service where I published a small book on HAB
[00:42] <Dan-K2VOL> cool!
[00:42] <Lunar_Lander> they write "your password was resetted for safety reasons, please use the following password on your next log-in"
[00:42] <Lunar_Lander> the email header seems genuine, the IP is OK
[00:42] <Dan-K2VOL> whaaa
[00:42] <Lunar_Lander> but I don't get it
[00:42] <Dan-K2VOL> what's the password
[00:42] <Lunar_Lander> I just wrote them what is up
[00:42] <Dan-K2VOL> and your login
[00:43] <Dan-K2VOL> :-P
[00:43] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[00:43] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander: they got their password file nicked. They reset all the passwords to random ones, and have now sent you that.
[00:43] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[00:44] <Lunar_Lander> the thing is that my father and I were just discussing Phishing this afternoon
[00:44] <Lunar_Lander> what a coincidence
[00:44] <Lunar_Lander> this was the strangeness I meant
[00:44] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[01:13] <Lunar_Lander> the most deadly thing on the planet
[01:13] <Lunar_Lander> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/HIV-1_Transmission_electron_micrograph_AIDS02bbb_lores.jpg
[01:16] <SpeedEvil> HIV is not very deadly
[01:16] <SpeedEvil> There are much more deadly viruses out there.
[01:16] <Lunar_Lander> ja
[01:25] <Lunar_Lander> *yes
[01:25] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[01:25] <Lunar_Lander> who is Project Swift?
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[02:05] <Dan-K2VOL> Nigel I think
[02:06] <Dan-K2VOL> Lunar_Lander NigeyS is project swift I think
[02:06] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[02:06] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
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[05:17] <NigelMoby> hrm
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[08:39] <daveake> Morning chaps
[08:41] <Darkside> hey daveake
[08:41] <Darkside> how did you go in the en?
[08:41] <daveake> Morning #2 :p
[08:41] <Darkside> daveake: #3
[08:42] <Darkside> you're #2
[08:42] <Darkside> no wait
[08:42] <Darkside> you're #3
[08:42] <Darkside> i'm #4
[08:42] <daveake> Oh you mean world ...
[08:42] <Darkside> if you count the ZP launch
[08:42] <Darkside> yes :P
[08:42] <daveake> ... yeah, I checked, #3
[08:42] <Darkside> world latex records have you at #2
[08:42] <Darkside> and me at #3
[08:42] <daveake> ZP doesn't count :)
[08:42] <daveake> Cool
[08:42] <Darkside> don't worry, we'll fix it :-)
[08:42] <daveake> I meant UK acutally :)
[08:43] <Darkside> heh
[08:43] <Darkside> well i'm #2 in UK
[08:43] <Darkside> oh well
[08:43] <daveake> I didn't think it'd get anywhere near that height - Buzz1 was the altitude attempt and that failed miserably
[08:43] <daveake> Buzz2 should have gone lower (more helium; slightly higher payload weight)
[08:44] <Darkside> what were the launch specs?
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[08:44] <daveake> Payload was 170g with 30g chute. I was aiming for 800g neck lift and just over 4m/s ascent, but over-filled.
[08:45] <Darkside> interesting
[08:45] <Darkside> balloon size?
[08:45] <daveake> Stopped inflation when I thought it was close, weighed it and it lifted my bottle plus another 200g (roll of gaffer tape). I did suck some out but that got old pretty quick!
[08:45] <daveake> 1600g hwoyoyoyee
[08:45] <Darkside> interesting
[08:46] <Darkside> we'll have to attempt tp replicate the setup
[08:46] <daveake> It did 4m/s early on, then 5 and even over 6m/s at times
[08:47] <daveake> So I thought it would get maybe #4 if all went well. Dunno why Buzz1 burst so early. My guess is that Hwoeyee QC is a bit, well, non-existant
[08:47] <Darkside> yeah
[08:47] <daveake> Launch site was still for several minutes then very windy for 2-3 minutes, then quiet again
[08:48] <daveake> So at times I just had to hold on and wait for the wind to stop
[08:48] <daveake> So with the balloon being stretched all over the place i thought that wouldn't help it get a decent altitude. Or maybe the "pre-stretching" did? :)
[08:49] <Darkside> heh
[08:49] <daveake> It got some big winds up there ... over 200kph at times.
[08:49] <daveake> Did you see the photo showing my little error with the antenna?
[08:50] <Darkside> yup
[08:50] <Darkside> good job on that one :P
[08:50] <daveake> Yeah, I was going to use a straw like last time but it fell off before launch. Should have taped it on
[08:51] <daveake> We had such a crap signal in the chase car, I was surprised to see people decoding so much
[08:52] <daveake> I was reading the IRC logs from yesterday earlier, to see what I missed when I was offline or not reading quickly enough. Apparently 2 people saw the altitude just over 41km just before burst, but neither got a full decode.
[08:52] <daveake> They did both get the same altitude though
[08:52] <Darkside> yup
[08:52] <Darkside> 41008
[08:52] <Upu> morning
[08:53] <daveake> Morning Upu. I used a pink wire for the aerial so I'm blaming its failure on you ;)
[08:53] <Upu> lol
[08:53] <daveake> Nothing at all of course to do with it getting bent before launch and me forgetting to straighten it out :p
[08:53] <Upu> ah is that what it was
[08:53] <daveake> Yep
[08:53] <Upu> signal was noticably weaker than other flights but we still got data
[08:54] <daveake> Yeah, poor in the chase car too
[08:54] <Upu> same it totally went on the way down
[08:54] <Upu> shame
[08:55] <daveake> Yeah, with a last fix at 23km up I thought it would be a waste of time trying to find it. So we went to Bruges, Julie spent a bunch of my money, and we had frites and mayo :)
[08:55] <Upu> lol
[08:55] <Upu> fair enough
[08:56] <daveake> After we got back rocketboy emailed with his landing prediction. Now I think we should have gone there and driven towards the other landing prediction. But we were pretty tired after Bruges
[08:57] <daveake> Photographic evidence of my cock-up https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150405405687654&set=oa.227196340682070&type=1&theater
[08:57] <daveake> I was just admiring the Sputnik-like-ed-ness and not checking the antenna which was folded towards me :(
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[09:10] <daveake> Upu, when are you getting yourself a boat to recover Phil's next launch? :)
[09:10] <daveake> I missed most of that flight. Some great images.
[09:11] <Upu> yeah that wasn't meant to go that far
[09:12] <Upu> but yeah the SSTV pictures were superb
[09:13] <daveake> Indeed. Earlier I read through the channel log for yesterday, to see what I missed. Some stunning images in that set.
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[09:13] <chosen> was a good day with both launches
[09:14] <daveake> Difficulties in measuring neck lift? It was gusty here - quiet for a few minutes then husts for a couple of minutes or so where the wind threatened to take the balloon away
[09:14] <daveake> gusts
[09:14] <chosen> \nick number10
[09:14] Nick change: chosen -> number10
[09:14] <daveake> fail
[09:14] <daveake> :)
[09:14] <number10> dont know what I was typing when I logged in
[09:14] <daveake> number10 did you see my aerial fail?
[09:14] <number10> major fail
[09:14] <number10> yes
[09:15] <daveake> whoops
[09:15] <number10> I was receiving it on way down
[09:15] <daveake> Yeah, signal in chase car was poor too. We were never that far from it so obviously something was up at the payload
[09:15] <number10> did you put somthing on it to make it more rigid?
[09:15] <daveake> Only got a really good signal when we were waiting at the chunnel
[09:16] <number10> I was wondering if it just bent upwards
[09:16] <daveake> Yes. A straw. It fell off. Should have taped it on. Didn't.
[09:16] <daveake> Buzz 1 had a straw which fell off during descent I think
[09:16] <daveake> For my larger payloads I used much thicker wire
[09:16] <number10> you always like to add some extra dimension for excitement - shame could not recover though
[09:17] <daveake> Might have a local lad try today though
[09:17] <number10> what another launch?
[09:17] <daveake> But we really enjoyed our time in Bruges.
[09:17] <daveake> No, I mean we might have a Belgian go listen for the payload
[09:18] <number10> oh that would be good
[09:18] <daveake> Batteries should last till midnight
[09:18] <number10> someone you know or contact from here
[09:19] <daveake> rocketboy's contact ... Peter
[09:20] <daveake> Steve emailed me yesterday with his prediction. Unfortunately I got that after I was back in England
[09:20] <number10> I have audio of buzz2 is big file though
[09:21] <daveake> But really, though it would be nice to have a record breaker in my hands :-), the electronics aren't expensive and it has no cameras on board
[09:21] <daveake> Would appreciate that if you can upload somewhere
[09:21] <number10> I'll try and do that now - was difficult receiving as antenna on north side of house
[09:22] <number10> but I think I got a decode of highest alt
[09:22] <daveake> cool
[09:22] <daveake> Didn't realise at the time that 2 of you got a partial sentence with an altitude of 41008
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[09:24] <daveake> We were at secrity check at Eurotunnel at the time. Yagi was on the rear shelf, and I had GPS, UHF and 3G aerials on the roof. After the usual checks the security guy comes over and asks, "Sir, why do you have so many aerials on your car?" lol
[09:24] <number10> lol - I mentioned that just before you went through but you must not have seen it - I thought you may have been questioned a bit
[09:25] <daveake> Record got broken while we were waiting for him to let us go
[09:25] <daveake> No, I saw your question when reading the log this mornign
[09:26] <daveake> I just thought ... if that balloon had floated a bit more we might not have known the outcome till we arrived in France ... boy would that have been a tense wait!
[09:27] <number10> yes
[09:27] <daveake> Actually, with the planned ascent rate, it would have burst during our crossing
[09:27] <number10> maybe sometime we could do a team effort and some people go to continent before launch
[09:28] <daveake> YES
[09:28] <daveake> That would be great. I'd be up for launch or chase on that
[09:29] <number10> spring or summer would be nice
[09:29] <daveake> :)
[09:30] <number10> strangely enough Ros and I were thinking of going to france today - we had some tesco vouchers exchanged for eurotunnel - but thought we are waiting till after christmas now - only costs 30 quid in vouchers
[09:30] <number10> do you know how to fast forward when replaying on fldigi?
[09:31] <number10> just checking buzz audio
[09:31] <daveake> No. I wondered that myself before.
[09:31] <number10> mm - I'll upload it anyway - start looks ok
[09:32] <daveake> Cheers
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[10:28] <daveake> My write-up on Buzz's flight yesterday - http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=148
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[10:30] <Moomean> hi all
[10:30] <Moomean> talked yesterday about creating a new flight on the tracker
[10:37] <daveake> Every time I launch, nobody calls about the notam. Whenever I don't launch, they do.
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[10:39] <Upu> "The chat room is a friendly and very supportive place with some gentle ribbing as the UK record was brought back into British hands for Queen Elizabeth and the realm as one put it "
[10:39] <Upu> haha
[10:40] <daveake> :D
[10:40] <daveake> Seriously though, I'm just amazed at how helpful people here are.
[10:40] <Upu> nice write up
[10:40] <daveake> cheers
[10:40] <Upu> swings and roundabouts isn't it
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[10:41] <Upu> everyone needs the help of others, solo tracking a balloon would be hard
[10:41] <daveake> Yeah, one day you might be trying to break someone else's record, and the next day you might be helping them break yours.
[10:41] <Moomean> Upu: Are you the same Upu I briefly talked yesterday? :>
[10:42] <Upu> There is only one me
[10:42] <Upu> which is a good thing really
[10:42] Action: daveake hopes there's not more than one Upu ;)
[10:42] <daveake> you got there first :)
[10:42] Action: Moomean thinks mental stability is fine
[10:42] <Upu> You're from Poland and you want to use the tracker for your launch ?
[10:42] <Moomean> Yes yes :)
[10:43] <Upu> good we need more polish trackers for next time we send one your way welcome aboard :)
[10:43] <Moomean> I've checked my frequencies and filled that nice typewriter form
[10:43] <daveake> lol
[10:43] <Moomean> sorry for lost Apex Alpha :(
[10:43] <Upu> it was a good day that
[10:44] <Upu> quiet exciting
[10:44] <Upu> ok so you get to the end of the payload document generator and it gives you a block of text
[10:44] <Upu> just copy and paste it to pastebin.org
[10:44] <Upu> and link here
[10:44] <Moomean> right :)
[10:44] <Moomean> the launch time is missing from that block
[10:45] <Upu> don't worry about that just put anything in
[10:45] <Upu> I don't think its used
[10:46] <Moomean> http://pastebin.com/3JRryUMC
[10:46] <Moomean> got it
[10:46] <Upu> yup
[10:46] <Upu> can you paste me a sample telemetry string here ?
[10:47] <Moomean> ok
[10:48] <Upu> I'm not the expert on this but I'll collect the data and get it passed to the Habitat team to add your payload so you can start testing
[10:50] <Moomean> $$BOBAS-NG,124,10:21:16,5211.4170,02049.8863,115,v0:0.253:t1:23:50*
[10:50] <Moomean> checksum is not yet implemented ;)
[10:51] <Moomean> but this is how it actually looks
[10:51] <Upu> v0:0.253:t1:23:50*
[10:51] <Moomean> variable sensor data - text string
[10:51] <Upu> might be easier to just break them up
[10:52] <Upu> v0 and t1 constant ?
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[10:52] <Upu> i.e is it always going to transmit the letters v0 and t1 ?
[10:52] <Moomean> the payload is packed with sensors, we thought it doesn't make sense to send one hellof a packet prone to interferences
[10:52] <Moomean> no
[10:52] <Upu> ok
[10:52] <Upu> get a check sum on it :)
[10:52] <Upu> Arduino ?
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[10:53] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/communication:protocol?s[]=checksum
[10:53] <Moomean> nope
[10:53] <Moomean> hell of custom stuff: http://bobas-ng.pl/en/
[10:54] <Upu> ok well there is some sample code on there
[10:54] <Upu> which you should be able to adapt
[10:54] <Moomean> implementing...
[10:54] <fsphil-laptop> woo, http://www.southgatearc.org/news/december2011/digital_pictures_sent_from_balloon.htm
[10:54] <Upu> nice fsphil
[10:55] <Upu> out of interest
[10:55] <Upu> what connections to the ATMEGA does that need ?
[10:55] <Upu> just serial and power ?
[10:55] <fsphil-laptop> the camera? yea
[10:56] <Upu> Ava2 has ability to put a daughter board on it
[10:56] <Upu> so just trying to set it for anything I may want to do in the future :)
[10:56] <fsphil-laptop> smart plan!
[10:57] <Upu> ok afk for a but
[10:57] <Upu> bit
[10:57] <fsphil-laptop> I'd better update my website
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[10:58] <Moomean> $$BOBAS-NG,124,10:21:16,5211.4170,02049.8863,115,v0:0.253:t1:23:50*F6B5
[10:58] <Moomean> Upu: are you able to verify it ?
[10:59] <fsphil-laptop> I can, one sec
[10:59] <Moomean> CCITT, 0xff at start, big-endian printf
[10:59] <Moomean> 0xffff
[10:59] <fsphil-laptop> $$BOBAS-NG,124,10:21:16,5211.4170,02049.8863,115,v0:0.253:t1:23:50*FC53
[11:00] <fsphil-laptop> hmm.. I get a different checksu
[11:00] <fsphil-laptop> +m
[11:01] <Moomean> asterisk is counted into checksum, no?
[11:01] <fsphil-laptop> it doesn't
[11:01] <fsphil-laptop> everything between the $ and *, but not including
[11:02] <Moomean> shell treated my $ as variable :/
[11:02] <Moomean> fixing...
[11:03] <Moomean> now I get *A5D4
[11:03] <fsphil-laptop> for that same string?
[11:03] <Moomean> yea
[11:05] <Moomean> http://pastebin.com/V1uN8Fke
[11:05] <Moomean> polymonial/initial value correct?
[11:05] <Moomean> nah. this is xmodem crc :/
[11:06] <fsphil-laptop> that's quite different
[11:06] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[11:06] <Moomean> ovelooked from that avr code
[11:06] Action: Moomean ripping of some xmodem bootcode
[11:07] <NigelMoby> cake!
[11:07] <fsphil-laptop> http://pastebin.com/TxaKTu1m
[11:07] <fsphil-laptop> there's cake?
[11:07] <NigelMoby> Yush, lots!
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[11:09] <fsphil-laptop> who's birthday is it?
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[11:11] <NigelMoby> hamsters
[11:14] <fsphil-laptop> cake with hamster food!
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[11:16] <Wickerman> Heya everyone, does anyone know what happened to HADIE?
[11:16] <Wickerman> I see (she) ended up in the North Sea
[11:19] <Moomean> fsphil-laptop: confirming CRC is *FC53
[11:19] <Moomean> BOBAS-NG,125,10:21:16,5211.4170,02049.8863,115,v0:0.253:t1:23:50*73AF ?
[11:22] <fsphil-laptop> Wickerman, it went for a bit of a swim :)
[11:22] <fsphil-laptop> one sec Moomean
[11:22] <Wickerman> Ah unlucky to hear that :/ at least got a few low res photos out before splashdown
[11:22] <fsphil-laptop> $$BOBAS-NG,125,10:21:16,5211.4170,02049.8863,115,v0:0.253:t1:23:50*73AF
[11:22] <fsphil-laptop> spot on Moomean
[11:23] <fsphil-laptop> the pics where really good this time, considering the little camera
[11:23] <Wickerman> Yeah there are some good ones
[11:23] <fsphil-laptop> I knew there was a pretty good chance it would land there
[11:24] <Wickerman> Did they not implement a cut-down mechanism based on GPS positions?
[11:25] <fsphil-laptop> I thought about it, but the board was reused from an old flight - adding it would have been difficult
[11:25] <Wickerman> Ah ok fair enough, was the wind a bit too fierce in the end?
[11:26] <fsphil-laptop> it did seem a bit stronger than expected
[11:27] <fsphil-laptop> the prediction had it going to the north sea but only if the altitude got much higher than it did
[11:27] <fsphil-laptop> though the slow ascent rate made up for that
[11:27] <fsphil-laptop> measuring the lift of a balloon when it's windy is pretty much impossible
[11:27] <fsphil-laptop> the balloon just wants to go sideways
[11:27] <fsphil-laptop> not up
[11:28] <Wickerman> I was thinking about this before and if you measure it when the balloon is pressing against a wooden block then the horizontal force should be zero and a good estimation without taking into account squashing of balloon etc can be achieved
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[11:31] <fsphil-laptop> would need a large block
[11:32] <Wickerman> Indeed, and a patience to rival a Shaolin Monk
[11:32] <fsphil-laptop> haha
[11:32] <gonzo_> could you not calc the actual assent rate given the sideways movement
[11:32] <fsphil-laptop> the balloon catches the wind, it almost acts like a parachute
[11:33] <fsphil-laptop> I'd thought about using a tent
[11:33] <fsphil-laptop> but setup time would be too long
[11:33] <fsphil-laptop> plus setting up a tent in the wind is just as annoying
[11:38] <Wickerman> fsphil, I'm just looking at your ascent graph and it appears the first bit is very shallow then all of a sudden it appears to rise much more rapidly, was this an intentional design or just a result of the data?
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[11:52] <Upu> that was unusual Wickerman
[11:52] <Upu> afk walking dog
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[12:03] <fsphil-laptop> I've not actually seen the ascent graph yet...
[12:04] <fsphil-laptop> oh that is weird
[12:04] <fsphil-laptop> it's so wobbly too
[12:04] <fsphil-laptop> buzz was much smoother
[12:04] <jcoxon> morning all
[12:04] <fsphil-laptop> wait a second
[12:04] <fsphil-laptop> there's a position from buzz on the map, 22m up
[12:05] <fsphil-laptop> has it been fonud?
[12:05] <fsphil-laptop> morning jcoxon
[12:05] <jcoxon> interesting flights yesterday
[12:05] <jcoxon> sadly wasn't around to track
[12:05] <jcoxon> fsphil-laptop, sms tracker?
[12:05] <fsphil-laptop> they where both pretty odd lol
[12:06] <fsphil-laptop> it didn't have one jcoxon
[12:06] <jcoxon> buzz is #3
[12:06] <fsphil-laptop> I don't think it did anyway
[12:07] <fsphil-laptop> ah, #3
[12:07] <jcoxon> in the world
[12:07] <fsphil-laptop> I thought it got second place
[12:07] <jcoxon> well there is still PBH officially
[12:07] <jcoxon> #2 latex
[12:07] <NigelMoby> its been sheepnapped!!
[12:07] <NigelMoby> when u gonna try for #1 James? :)
[12:08] <fsphil-laptop> yea that looks like a farm
[12:08] <fsphil-laptop> pretty industrial farm
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[12:09] <fsphil-laptop> well the counter time is consistent with a payload that's been running overnight
[12:09] <fsphil-laptop> daveake_, any news?
[12:09] <jcoxon> yeah
[12:09] <daveake_> eh? 22m???
[12:09] <fsphil-laptop> there's a telemetry line from the gronud
[12:09] <fsphil-laptop> ground
[12:09] <NigelMoby> its been found..lol
[12:09] <daveake_> rocketboy asked Peter to go take a look ...
[12:09] <daveake_> :D:D:D
[12:09] <fsphil-laptop> lol
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[12:10] <daveake_> I just sat down to catch up here so this is the first I've heard
[12:10] <NigelMoby> there's always the chance its been eaten by a cow....
[12:10] <daveake_> Payload batteries should be fine
[12:10] <fsphil-laptop> this may be the luckiest recovery ever -- I hope he manages to get it
[12:10] <daveake_> A cow running dl-fldiig?
[12:10] <jcoxon> daveake_, came quite near me
[12:11] <daveake_> :)
[12:11] <fsphil-laptop> Now if only Peter had a boat
[12:11] <NigelMoby> cows are very clever...
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[12:13] <fsphil-laptop> Bullocks
[12:13] <NigelMoby> bullsh*t
[12:14] <fsphil-laptop> uug, poor buzz
[12:14] <NigelMoby> lol
[12:14] <daveake_> just a mo ....
[12:15] <NigelMoby> hrhr
[12:15] <daveake_> ... reminds me of this image someone uploaded from a hospital ... http://thumbsnap.com/s/9rWmNYZ5.jpg
[12:16] <fsphil-laptop> lol - saw that on good news
[12:17] <fsphil-laptop> the oddest one has to be the pair of glasses
[12:17] <Moomean> Upu: how can I test my data uploading?
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[12:22] <Upu> Hey Moomean
[12:22] <Upu> if its been added
[12:22] <Upu> open dl-fldigi
[12:23] <Upu> hang on let me see
[12:23] <Upu> its not been added yet
[12:23] <Upu> anyone about to add a payload document ?
[12:23] <fsphil-laptop> I can do that
[12:23] Action: Upu points at fsphil
[12:24] <Upu> http://pastebin.com/V1uN8Fke
[12:24] <Upu> might not have check sum on ity
[12:24] <Upu> ?
[12:24] <Upu> wait wrong pastebin
[12:24] <Upu> http://pastebin.com/3JRryUMC
[12:24] <fsphil-laptop> right, lets see
[12:25] <Upu> getting some food
[12:25] <fsphil-laptop> it might take a few minutes to appear on dl-fldigi
[12:25] <Upu> p.s its snowing here
[12:26] <fsphil-laptop> !!
[12:26] <fsphil-laptop> raining here
[12:27] <Moomean> Cloudy and windy, no cold/snow this year yet
[12:28] <fsphil-laptop> we got some sleet a few weeks ago, but nothing since
[12:28] <fsphil-laptop> but last night was really cold
[12:28] <fsphil-laptop> yesterday was really cold too, after filling the balloon I tried to use the computer and my fingers where too cold :)
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[12:28] <fsphil-laptop> Moomean, try reloading dl-fldigi now - the payload should appear
[12:30] Action: Moomean reloading
[12:31] <fsphil-laptop> no yet
[12:31] <fsphil-laptop> hmm
[12:31] <fsphil-laptop> don't know how frequency this updates
[12:31] <Moomean> crash
[12:32] <fsphil-laptop> your shift is 470hz?
[12:32] <Moomean> something like that, yes
[12:32] <fsphil-laptop> hmm.. well that shouldn't happen
[12:32] <Moomean> running Linux, ui-related problem
[12:33] <Moomean> :D
[12:33] <Moomean> Found me!
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[12:34] <fsphil-laptop> working?
[12:34] <Moomean> shift set up incorrectly at 23 Hz
[12:34] <fsphil-laptop> yea, the unusual shift is not supported on the current dl-fldigi
[12:34] <fsphil-laptop> what's the nearest standard shift?
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[12:35] <Moomean> it seeems 425
[12:35] <fsphil-laptop> that's quite a bit out
[12:35] <fsphil-laptop> hmm
[12:35] <fsphil-laptop> are you able to change it to 425?
[12:36] <Moomean> that would be dificult, I'm afraid
[12:36] <Moomean> :/
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[12:37] <fsphil-laptop> hmm
[12:38] <fsphil-laptop> is it just you receiving or are there others?
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[12:38] <Moomean> it is possible to change that in menus, we will leave some info how to do it
[12:38] <fsphil-laptop> that's what I'm thinking
[12:38] <fsphil-laptop> Configure > Modem
[12:38] <fsphil-laptop> Modems > RTTY
[12:38] <Moomean> it's working for me
[12:39] <fsphil-laptop> Set the Carrier Shift to Custom
[12:39] <fsphil-laptop> then adjust the value below to match
[12:39] <Moomean> I got it.
[12:39] <fsphil-laptop> custom shifts are supported in the next version of dl-fldigi
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[12:40] <Moomean> for autoconfiguration you mean ?
[12:41] <fsphil-laptop> yep
[12:41] <Moomean> well if someone is capable of reding instructions he/she will be able to set it up right
[12:42] <daveake> That cuts me out
[12:42] <Moomean> ;)
[12:42] <fsphil-laptop> the shift may change during the flight anyway, I often have to adjust
[12:43] <fsphil-laptop> depends on the module you have though
[12:43] <Moomean> don't know if it will hold using the designated antenna
[12:43] <daveake> Yeah mine always seems to reduce with temperature
[12:43] <daveake> (I'm taking about the freq shift)
[12:43] <Moomean> this is an experimental tx2a hardware banged using some precision voltage reference
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[12:46] <Moomean> I read that most people use 2 pins to drive NTX2 throught resistors
[12:46] <fsphil-laptop> it's a pretty popular method yea
[12:46] <NigeyS> 1 pin ftw!
[12:46] <daveake> I use one pin. Never quite understood why 2 are needed
[12:47] <fsphil-laptop> I think it just came from someone experimenting, and finding something that worked - and people just kept using it
[12:47] <Moomean> i hooked mine to usart output which drives a transistor which adds additional resistor to the divider
[12:47] <daveake> fsphil-laptop - yeah, I think rjharrison said that he tried it and it worked. He wrote that up so people copy it.
[12:47] <Moomean> and that divider is powered from precision voltage source to keep the drift low
[12:48] <Moomean> in theory anyway :)
[12:48] <NigeyS> Moomean, it'll drift regardless
[12:48] <NigeyS> as it gets cold
[12:48] <Moomean> that's im sure
[12:48] <daveake> NigeyS Checked spacenear lately?
[12:48] <fsphil-laptop> the ntx2 drift is caused by the crystal getting cold
[12:48] <NigeyS> no dave?
[12:48] <daveake> take a look ... :)
[12:48] <fsphil-laptop> jcoxon's oven works well keeping it steady though
[12:48] <NigeyS> has picochu turned up in some obscure place? :|
[12:49] <daveake> lol
[12:49] <Moomean> ntx2 has an internal regulator ?
[12:49] <NigeyS> yup
[12:49] <fsphil-laptop> it does
[12:49] <NigeyS> 2.8v
[12:49] <daveake> Erm, no I was thinking more along the lines of my own lost payload ...
[12:49] <NigeyS> ohh
[12:49] <NigeyS> was it eaten by moocows?
[12:49] <fsphil-laptop> have you heard from anyone yet daveake?
[12:49] <daveake> sorry!
[12:49] <Moomean> so has tx2a, at 2.2 afair
[12:49] <daveake> No. Can't wait!
[12:49] <fsphil-laptop> I bet!
[12:50] <fsphil-laptop> I'm just waiting for the call "We where sitting on our boat, and then this yellow box fell on our deck!"
[12:50] <daveake> I'm staring at the google streetview of that field, expecting someone to walk towards the camera with Buzz in hand lol
[12:50] <daveake> fsphil-laptop lol
[12:50] <NigeyS> lol
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[12:50] <fsphil-laptop> so basically it's time I started doing cut-downs
[12:51] <fsphil-laptop> I could probably have landed that one in Upu's garden
[12:51] <daveake> :D
[12:51] <NigeyS> nooo it spoils the chase fun! :p
[12:51] <NigeyS> i cant get you a boat, but i can recommend some excellent quality arm bands.......
[12:51] <fsphil-laptop> woo!
[12:52] <NigeyS> just so you dont die fetching it ;)
[12:52] <number10> daveake - was just looking up - when I said major fail I was talking about my login fail not your antenna
[12:52] <daveake> He'd need a waterproof transmitter so he appears on the map
[12:52] <fsphil-laptop> I wonder if it would take longer swimming over scotland, or under england through the channel?
[12:52] <NigeyS> well, not by drowning, might get hypothermia though.
[12:52] <number10> wave file is here daveake http://www.bowkis.com/buzz2.wav
[12:52] <daveake> number10 - oh, no probs!
[12:52] <daveake> Ah, great, thanks :)
[12:52] <number10> let me know when you got it so I can delete it
[12:53] <daveake> will do
[12:53] <number10> fsphil-laptop I think I also have my hadie recording if you want it
[12:54] <fsphil-laptop> certainly!
[12:54] <NigeyS> hairy toes
[12:54] <number10> I was having ftp probs I i'll send you link when done
[12:55] <fsphil-laptop> appreciated
[12:56] <NigeyS> uhoh
[12:57] <NigeyS> windows wants to install SP1 *shudder*
[12:57] <daveake> "please wait an hour while we fix our crap"
[12:58] <daveake> "and break stuff that was working before"
[12:58] <NigeyS> haha yes
[12:58] <NigeyS> i had to reinstall windows because windows update broke .net 4 !
[12:59] <fsphil-laptop> windows -- ironic name for a product that was broken for a large part of it's early life :)
[13:00] <NigeyS> hah
[13:00] <daveake> Remember when Win95 came out and MS used The Stones and "Start Me Up" as their tune for the adverts?
[13:00] <NigeyS> hm why is there a massive news article on "Pandas due to arrive in Edinburgh Zoo" ?
[13:00] <NigeyS> slow news day? :|
[13:00] <daveake> I commented that they should have chosen "I can't stand up for falling down"
[13:01] <NigeyS> heh i remember this...
[13:01] <staylo> daveake: Well, their choice does contain the line 'you make a grown man cry'
[13:01] <NigeyS> Windows CE,ME,NT
[13:01] <NigeyS> CEMENT!
[13:01] <daveake> Indeed staylo LOL
[13:01] <fsphil-laptop> WinCE
[13:01] <fsphil-laptop> which I do, every time I use it
[13:01] <NigeyS> lol
[13:01] <NigeyS> windows me .. as much use as a concrete block!
[13:02] <NigeyS> i want to go back to the days of confog.sys and autoexec.bat !
[13:02] <NigeyS> config.sys*
[13:02] <fsphil-laptop> windows ce/mobile is amazingly bad. I haven't used the latest one though
[13:03] <NigeyS> apparently winmo7 is pretty good :|
[13:03] <fsphil-laptop> not selling well- I've yet to see a phone with that on it
[13:04] <fsphil-laptop> I'm having to setup phones all the time in the office, they're all either apple or android
[13:04] <NigeyS> good point, ive not seen nyone i know with 1
[13:04] <NigeyS> mainly all android users
[13:06] <fsphil-laptop> couple of blackberry users in the office, but nobody in management
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[13:07] <NigeyS> never likes the blackberries
[13:07] <NigeyS> liked*
[13:08] <NigeyS> ello earthshine
[13:08] <earthshine> ello
[13:08] <fsphil-laptop> I instantly went off them when I found everything had to go through their servers
[13:09] <NigeyS> yup, kinda crappy :/
[13:09] <NigeyS> how's you Mike ?
[13:13] <fsphil-laptop> holy crap, RocketBoy predicted 51.03045,3.28687 for buzz yesterday
[13:13] <fsphil-laptop> only 200m out!
[13:13] <daveake> WOW!!
[13:13] <daveake> He's my hero :)
[13:13] <Upu> Buzz was recovered ?
[13:13] <daveake> Being, by the look of it
[13:14] <daveake> I've not heard anything yet. Phil noticed earlier that Buzz appeared on the map again this morning
[13:14] <Upu> eh ?
[13:14] <daveake> Steve asked Peter in Belgium if he would try to locate and recover
[13:14] <Upu> who the hell is recieving it ?
[13:14] <daveake> Peter I assume
[13:15] <Upu> you got to love this community sometimes
[13:15] <fsphil-laptop> needs more boats lol
[13:15] <fsphil-laptop> can't believe how close that prediction is
[13:15] <daveake> My guess is ... he got and uploaded telemetry, unplugged at 11:08 to DF then collcted from the field. He then got pi$$ed off with the piezo bleeping and unlugged the batteries :)
[13:15] <Upu> UNKNOWN : BUZZ,6929,11:08:11,51.03045,3.28687,00022,0,0,10,17,99742,12,5.85,9*2B
[13:16] <daveake> unplugged
[13:16] <Upu> very interesting
[13:16] <Upu> must be someone from community or how would they know how to upload
[13:16] <fsphil-laptop> I better walk the mutt before it eats my leg, brb
[13:17] <Upu> sequence number is in line with what it should be ?
[13:18] <Upu> great news anyway
[13:18] <Upu> afk a few
[13:19] <daveake> 28 hours since on, which was 8am yesterday ... pretty close
[13:19] <daveake> One msg every 15 secs roughly
[13:19] <daveake> Everything looks as expected
[13:24] <SamSilver> Lets club together and get RocketBoy a better calculator, he got his sums very wrong! Was way out by 200m!
[13:24] <daveake> :)
[13:25] <SamSilver> daveake: thanx for the great fun yesterday
[13:26] <daveake> Oh, the fun was mine too :D
[13:29] <daveake> I was back in England by the time RocketBoy made predictions, but from the IRC logs I see he predicted 50.9879571,3.2536535 , which is about 5km from the landing spot. Think fsphil-laptop has a dodgy calculator :)
[13:31] <SamSilver> good thing the wife was made happy on your trip what with mayo and bending the credit card
[13:31] <daveake> Yeah, she wasn't keen on the mayo but she did flex that card
[13:32] <daveake> Number10 - I have the wav file thanks! you can delete it now :)
[13:32] <SamSilver> did you give (Julie I think) a good talking to about her sarkie humming of the song "Lost in France" ? :-p
[13:32] <daveake> :D
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[13:32] <daveake> "Found in Belgium" .... it'll be a mega hit
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[13:39] <daveake> Afternoon Steve :)
[13:39] <RocketBoy> hiya
[13:39] <daveake> "UNKNOWN : BUZZ,6929,11:08:11,51.03045,3.28687,00022,0,0,10,17,99742,12,5.85,9*2B"
[13:39] Action: Moomean mad scientist laugh
[13:39] <Moomean> I'm on Your tracker! :D
[13:39] <daveake> :)
[13:40] <RocketBoy> ah OK - I'll drop peter a line
[13:40] <daveake> Cheers
[13:40] <daveake> I'm staring at the google streetview of that field but nothings moving :p
[13:42] <daveake> Everything in that message looks as expected, though a Lassen seeing 12 satellites is a bit of a shocker :)
[13:42] <Upu> congrats Moomean :)
[13:42] <Upu> now what you need to do
[13:42] <daveake> Wide open field so a nice view of the sky
[13:42] <Upu> is recruit some more trackers as you're a little out of our range here
[13:43] <daveake> And when you do, someone here can send a floater over Poland again :p
[13:43] <Moomean> the occasion is ground station opening for Brite-pl sattellite project
[13:43] <Moomean> I will hook us into their yagis/disches :)
[13:43] <Upu> jsut put your location in correctly on dl-fldigi and your recieving station will appear on the map
[13:44] <Moomean> right
[13:44] <Moomean> car chasing hooked to a gps will show only as long it sends correct packets ?
[13:45] <Moomean> or will it show even if it is not transmitting ?
[13:45] <Upu> there are chase car apps for iphone and android
[13:45] <Upu> have you found the predictor yet ?
[13:45] <Moomean> we will be having a laptop in our car
[13:45] <Moomean> which one ?
[13:45] <daveake> chase car shows regardless
[13:46] <Upu> www.habhub.org/predict
[13:46] <daveake> I use a little Java app someone sent to me
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[13:50] <fsphil-laptop> where'd everyone go?
[13:50] <RocketBoy> dav
[13:51] <RocketBoy> was it something i said?
[13:51] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[13:51] <RocketBoy> bbl
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[13:53] <fsphil-laptop> daveake_, woops.. yea over 5km
[13:53] <fsphil-laptop> I mistyped a digit I think!
[13:53] <fsphil-laptop> that makes the recovery even more amazing
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[13:53] <daveake_> cut'n'paste-itis? :)
[13:53] Action: Moomean is back or not?
[13:53] <daveake_> Indeed
[13:54] <fsphil-laptop> yay, back to normal
[13:54] <NigeyS> ah thats better
[13:54] <NigeyS> nothing like a bit of netsplit goodness on a sunday afternoon
[13:55] <Matt_soton> btw do u have to ask to be put onto spacenear/tracker for testing in these habitat times, or is it automatic if you upload a packet? (sorry for repeating due to netsplits)
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[13:57] <fsphil-laptop> I think as long as the payload config exists?
[13:57] <fsphil-laptop> not 100% on that
[13:57] <fsphil-laptop> it won't show up if there are errors in the payload config too
[13:59] <Matt_soton> ok thanks, theres no gps lock atm anyway
[14:01] <Matt_soton> also fldigi doesnt like it when you set non standard shift amounts :\
[14:02] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[14:02] <fsphil-laptop> that's fixed in the next version
[14:02] <fsphil-laptop> it defaults to 23hz I think?
[14:02] <fsphil-laptop> not actually an fldigi bug
[14:02] <Matt_soton> ok i was wondering :)
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[14:02] <Matt_soton> yea
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[14:05] <Matt_soton> is the lastest version the one on github?
[14:06] <fsphil-laptop> it's here at the moment: https://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi/
[14:07] <fsphil-laptop> once it's done it will be merged into jcoxon's branch
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[14:08] <Matt_soton> mind you does this mean that most people will have the fldigi that doesnt like odd shifts?
[14:10] <fsphil-laptop> most people use standard shifts
[14:11] <fsphil-laptop> oh, reread the question
[14:11] <fsphil-laptop> yea :)
[14:11] <fsphil-laptop> if you use a non-standard shift, most people will get the wrong shift
[14:12] <Matt_soton> i suppose i could always put in variable resistor in...
[14:12] <Matt_soton> mind you itll probably go down with temperature anyway
[14:13] <fsphil-laptop> yea they usually do
[14:13] <fsphil-laptop> I end up going to custom shift
[14:13] <Matt_soton> but is it the varicap tahts temperature dependent or the resistors that set the shift
[14:16] <fsphil-laptop> I suspect the crystal getting colder is the biggest culprit for the shift and frequency changing
[14:16] <fsphil-laptop> resistors ... not sure, temperature might have an effect there?
[14:17] <Matt_soton> well the crystal getting colder affects the actual frequency, suppose theres no reason why it wouldnt affect the shift
[14:17] <Matt_soton> although with resistors, they are affected but the radio may stay the same
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[14:25] <fsphil-laptop> yesterday's flight was moving at an average of about 78mph
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[14:26] <fsphil-laptop> it travelled 544km
[14:26] <daveake_> Pretty quick
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[14:29] <fsphil-laptop> hehe, was snowing a minute ago
[14:30] <fsphil-laptop> glad I didn't decide to launch today
[14:30] <daveake> :)
[14:31] <daveake> I read yesterday's IRC log this morning to catch up. You got some stunning images there.
[14:32] <fsphil-laptop> pleased with how it turned out - much better images than the last flight
[14:32] <fsphil-laptop> not sure it was the lower sun or what
[14:32] <x-f> you didn't change anything?
[14:33] <fsphil-laptop> not a thing
[14:33] <fsphil-laptop> it was the same camera and board
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[14:36] <NigeyS> gremlins!
[14:36] <fsphil-laptop> good gremlins this time :)
[14:36] <NigeyS> bloody gizmo and co just have to meddle
[14:36] <NigeyS> true phil, that's kinda rare!
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[14:37] <daveake> Need some good gremlins that can swim :p
[14:38] <NigeyS> lol
[14:38] <NigeyS> gremlins with a jetski would be cool!
[14:39] <fsphil-laptop> gremlinski
[14:39] Action: daveake ponders a self-guiding sailboat payload
[14:39] <fsphil-laptop> where can I buy one?
[14:40] <daveake> :)
[14:40] <NigeyS> hrm i wonder how high i can get a 600gm balloon with the helium i have left
[14:43] <fsphil-laptop> depends on the payload weight
[14:43] <fsphil-laptop> and how much helium you have
[14:43] <NigeyS> 60grams, about 1/3rd of a n10 tank
[14:46] <NigeyS> Burst Altitude:
[14:46] <NigeyS> 18000 m
[14:46] <NigeyS> Ascent Rate:
[14:46] <NigeyS> 9.54 m/s
[14:46] <NigeyS> Time to Burst:
[14:46] <NigeyS> 31 min
[14:46] <NigeyS> Neck Lift:
[14:46] <NigeyS> 9152 g
[14:46] <NigeyS> Launch Volume:
[14:46] <NigeyS> 9.50 m3
[14:46] <NigeyS> 9502 L
[14:46] <NigeyS> 335.5 ft3
[14:46] <NigeyS> lols
[14:48] <daveake> 9kg neck lift .... that'd be fun :P
[14:48] <NigeyS> hell yeah
[14:48] <NigeyS> could tie my cat to it x3 !
[14:48] <daveake> lol
[14:51] <NigeyS> bored
[14:51] <NigeyS> might solder up some meganuts
[14:51] <NigeyS> when you flying yours phil ?
[14:51] <fsphil-laptop> whenever the gopro is going up
[14:52] <NigeyS> ahh
[14:52] <fsphil-laptop> not sure when
[14:52] <NigeyS> that notam runs out next w/end dont it ?
[14:52] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[14:52] <fsphil-laptop> it won't be this time
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[14:52] <NigeyS> prolly got shit weather next week anyway
[14:53] <fsphil-laptop> just running a prediction now :)
[14:53] <NigeyS> i dread to think
[14:53] <fsphil-laptop> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=9f5d95bb981bc06dead0f7fc3d61d1629cbc3f5c
[14:53] <fsphil-laptop> haha
[14:54] <fsphil-laptop> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=e93a2a58cfbc3a2f2c9f085c58483d7d0bc4adeb
[14:54] <NigeyS> oh yeah thats a gopro flight right there..lol
[14:55] <NigeyS> oo underfill it a bit and you get it to grahams doorstep!
[14:55] <fsphil-laptop> thinking that
[14:55] <fsphil-laptop> I only have a 1600g balloon though, it would probably end up in poland
[14:55] <fsphil-laptop> hmm.. might be worth sticking a meganut on that
[14:56] <fsphil-laptop> though I have no cameras left for ssdv
[14:56] <NigeyS> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=9706494117ab293ceddb0b2527ede63754477937
[14:57] <NigeyS> its going after buzz!
[14:58] <daveake> lol
[14:58] <fsphil-laptop> there's only room for one buzz sender!
[14:59] <NigeyS> lol
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[15:24] <NigeyS> hey Steve
[15:24] <RocketBoy> hey
[15:24] <RocketBoy> any news on buzz?
[15:25] <NigeyS> not sure
[15:25] <NigeyS> ping daveake
[15:25] <daveake> nothing since that single string at 11:08
[15:25] <RocketBoy> any clues on unknown?
[15:26] <NigeyS> definately sheepnapped
[15:26] <daveake> :)
[15:28] <RocketBoy> where did upu get that string?
[15:28] <fsphil-laptop> raw data page
[15:28] <fsphil-laptop> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php
[15:28] <RocketBoy> ah right -
[15:29] <RocketBoy> is it just a single string?
[15:29] <fsphil-laptop> seems to be
[15:29] <daveake> yep
[15:29] <RocketBoy> just downloading
[15:29] <daveake> very strange
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[15:29] <fsphil-laptop> it's a big page
[15:30] <RocketBoy> yeah - yawn
[15:30] <daveake> yep!
[15:32] <fsphil-laptop> nothing since then
[15:32] <daveake> The packet number checks out ... 28 hours since startup, which was about 7am yesterday
[15:32] <fsphil-laptop> it would be remarkable coincidence if someone was just testing and happen to receive it
[15:33] <NigeyS> u can trace roughly who it was
[15:33] <NigeyS> check httpd logs, grab the ip, geo-ip locate it :)
[15:33] <fsphil-laptop> need someone with access to that server to check
[15:33] <Upu> I'll do it in a few
[15:34] <NigeyS> :D
[15:34] <NigeyS> just grep the access_log for the time stamp
[15:35] <daveake> Steve, does Peter have that GPS location?
[15:37] <RocketBoy> I emailed it to him
[15:37] <daveake> Ta
[15:38] <RocketBoy> its possible that line is from him
[15:38] <daveake> Indeed, though I wonder why we've heard nothing back since then over 4 hours ago
[15:39] <Upu> right
[15:39] <daveake> It would be a remarkable coincidence if the line came from some random person.
[15:40] <daveake> I was hoping to catch up on sleep this afternoon. No chance of that :p
[15:40] <Upu> what time was the string poste d?
[15:41] <daveake> Timestamped 11:08
[15:41] <daveake> I should have stayed in Bruges overnight :)
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[15:43] <Upu> odd
[15:44] <Upu> its posted to Spacenear.us first isn't it ?
[15:45] <DanielRichman> no
[15:45] <daveake> pass
[15:45] <Upu> so the client would send it to Robs server ?
[15:45] <DanielRichman> dl-fldigi -> robertharrison.org/listen/listen.php -> habitat -> spacenearus
[15:46] <Upu> [15:39] <daveake> It would be a remark
[15:46] <Upu> why does it do that..
[15:46] <Upu> http://pastebin.com/XSzQv8J1
[15:47] <Upu> nothing I can see
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[15:48] <daveake> Upu that's the web page access log, not an upload log, isn't it?
[15:48] <DanielRichman> the uploads are HTTP POSTS
[15:48] <daveake> Ah ok
[15:48] <Upu> ok checking
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[15:49] <DanielRichman> The string was generated at 11:08:11; habitat got it at 11:08:28
[15:49] <DanielRichman> so between that time there should be something in rob's log
[15:50] <Upu> whats the log file called ?
[15:51] <NigeyS> POSTS should still be logged via access_log
[15:51] <Upu> http://pastebin.com/XSzQv8J1
[15:51] <Upu> no post around that time
[15:52] <NigeyS> upu
[15:52] <NigeyS> type date
[15:52] <NigeyS> in the shell
[15:52] <NigeyS> his clock might be out
[15:52] <Upu> Sun Dec 4 15:37:50 GMT 2011
[15:52] <Upu> good spot
[15:52] <NigeyS> k he's 18mins out
[15:53] <NigeyS> 7.
[15:53] <NigeyS> 93.97.74.14 - - [04/Dec/2011:11:46:21 +0000] "POST /listen/listen.test.php HTTP/1.1" 200 38 "-" "-"
[15:53] <NigeyS> prolly that 1
[15:54] <DanielRichman> haha his date is quite badly out
[15:54] <DanielRichman> nah I don't think so
[15:54] <DanielRichman> it should be earlier
[15:54] <NigeyS> oh dam thats 46 not 36 .. hmm
[15:54] <DanielRichman> yeah there's one at 10:55
[15:54] <DanielRichman> that's the correct 13 minutes out
[15:54] <NigeyS> yup that'll be it
[15:55] <Upu> 52.224.188.195.in-addr.arpa. 604800 IN PTR cpc8-soli5-2-0-cust51.perr.cable.virginmedia.com.
[15:55] <Upu> that one ?
[15:55] <DanielRichman> yes
[15:55] <DanielRichman> they joined this channel once
[15:55] <DanielRichman> have since left
[15:55] <DanielRichman> aie93
[15:55] <NigeyS> a uk user with a bloody good antenna :|
[15:55] <daveake> LOL
[15:55] <NigeyS> not sure where perr is
[15:56] <Upu> do we have an issue here ?
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[15:57] <DanielRichman> Birmingham IP
[15:57] <DanielRichman> that's... some antenna
[15:57] <NigeyS> blimey lol
[15:58] <Upu> faked ?
[15:58] <DanielRichman> Why would someone fake a packet?
[15:58] <Upu> a good question
[15:58] <NigeyS> possible they were listening out on globaltuners or something
[15:59] <DanielRichman> only packet they uploaded
[15:59] <Upu> might be worth getting back on Globaltuners and seeing if its still awake ?
[15:59] <DanielRichman> looks like we need to start crypto signing strings :P
[15:59] <daveake> That'd be clever faking considering the packet number checks out
[15:59] <daveake> :D
[16:00] <NigeyS> told ya, buzz has been napped!
[16:00] <NigeyS> expect a randsome letter...lol
[16:00] <daveake> lol
[16:00] <Upu> this is very strange
[16:00] <Upu> you are going to have to be on top of that realistically to recieve it
[16:00] <RocketBoy> the sequence number doesn't align with the time - given the average sequence number rate
[16:00] <RocketBoy> its over an hour out
[16:01] <Upu> there are no GlobalTuners in that immediate vicinity
[16:01] <NigeyS> arent they an hour ahead of us ?
[16:01] <Upu> someone call Mrs Marple we got a mystery on our hands
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> http://www.theplasticshop.co.uk/
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> Interesting shop.
[16:01] <NigeyS> lol tis indeed a mystery, wish i hadnt suggested it now! lol
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> From 4mm corrugated polypropylene to 30mm acrylic full sheets for 300 quid
[16:02] <Laurenceb_> oh Buzz was picked upo?
[16:02] <daveake> RocketBoy there was approx 1 packet every 15 secs. That number worked out as 28 hours. Startup would have been about 7am yesterday. So without calculating closely that looks about right to me.
[16:02] <NigeyS> SpeedEvil, good find! :D
[16:02] <daveake> It's the work of the Evil Emperor Zurg, I tell you.
[16:02] <Upu> We have a mystery Laurenceb
[16:02] <Upu> one packet recieved in around the right location this morning from an unknown user
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> I have no idea what I'd use a full sheet of 30mm acrylic for, but...
[16:02] <Laurenceb_> haha wut
[16:03] <SpeedEvil> They are very cheap for some stuff.
[16:03] <NigeyS> haha lots of err.. plasticy stuff!
[16:03] <Laurenceb_> Upu: crazy random
[16:03] <Upu> IP address checks to Birmingham
[16:03] <Upu> which is odd
[16:03] <Laurenceb_> that makes even less sense
[16:03] <Laurenceb_> maybe someone is trolling us
[16:03] <SpeedEvil> Address location is broken.
[16:03] <SpeedEvil> I locate to london
[16:04] <Upu> either way
[16:04] <Laurenceb_> whats the ip?
[16:04] <Upu> makes no sense
[16:04] <DanielRichman> meh I know who it is
[16:04] <RocketBoy> well the secs between sequence numbers from launch to the last report work out at every 15.22secs
[16:04] <daveake> Yeah IP geography isn't 100%
[16:04] <DanielRichman> the IP is hosting a website. Go have a look
[16:04] <Laurenceb_> where
[16:04] <RocketBoy> and the last report was seq no 1068
[16:05] <DanielRichman> midlandrocketry.org.uk
[16:05] <Laurenceb_> heh sounds like Rocketboy did it :P
[16:05] <Upu> interesting
[16:05] <daveake> LMAO
[16:05] <RocketBoy> so the unknown line was 6929
[16:05] <Laurenceb_> or at least should know who it was :P
[16:05] <Upu> who is Midland Rocketry ?
[16:06] <RocketBoy> I can find out
[16:06] <DanielRichman> rather, who's home-hosting their website
[16:06] <Upu> yup
[16:06] <Upu> and when you find out
[16:06] <Upu> invite them on here we need a char
[16:06] <Upu> chat :)
[16:06] <NigeyS> the rocket guys have nicked the ballon guys payload? :o
[16:06] <daveake> When's the next series of Sherlock start filming? I think I have a story idea for them ....
[16:06] <Laurenceb_> http://www.midlandrocketry.org.uk/commitee/
[16:06] <DanielRichman> as I said; they were on irc earlier
[16:07] <Laurenceb_> ah
[16:07] <Laurenceb_> maybe some ham sent them the packet
[16:07] <Upu> really ?
[16:07] <DanielRichman> it looks like it came from dl-fldigi direct
[16:07] <Laurenceb_> oh
[16:07] <Laurenceb_> maybe they are on holiday
[16:08] <daveake> yesterday's song was "Lost In France"; today's is "It's A Mystery"
[16:08] <NigeyS> lol
[16:08] <DanielRichman> "HAM witchunt"
[16:08] <Upu> no one fakes our packets and gets away with it !
[16:09] <daveake> I'm expecting the next location for Buzz to be Gamma Quadrant of Sector 4
[16:09] <DanielRichman> well, we don't really know that it's faked yet :P
[16:09] <Upu> yeah
[16:09] <Upu> hopefully there will be a sensible explaination
[16:09] <Upu> can't wait to hear it
[16:10] <daveake> lol
[16:10] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Also - http://www.ewp.rpi.edu/hartford/~pastor/MEP/Other/References/Counter%20Flow%20Heat%20Exchanger.pdf - whole-house air-air heat exchanger efficiency 90%, made from 10*1m*1.8m of 4mm corrugated polycarbonate. That copes with freezing.
[16:11] <daveake> the explanation won't be "the entire flight was faked" lol
[16:11] <SpeedEvil> I'm going to try some corrugated polypropylene - from the above site - for 55 quid for 10 sheets.
[16:12] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[16:12] <Laurenceb_> i was thinking of using aluminium foil
[16:12] <Laurenceb_> but hard to de dust
[16:12] <SpeedEvil> That looks _way_too_easy_ though.
[16:12] <SpeedEvil> A bit large - but it can go outside.
[16:13] <RocketBoy> I checked the sequence no calculation again - its definatly out by about an hour or sp
[16:13] <daveake> hmmmm
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> might it have gone to sleep, then woken up as battery voltage rose due to sun?
[16:13] <RocketBoy> at 15.22sec per seq
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[16:13] <Laurenceb_> that square section stuff is expensive
[16:14] <DanielRichman> if it slept then it should start from zero, right?
[16:14] <daveake> batteries should last 30 hours no problem with being a bit cold at night
[16:14] <DanielRichman> what does BUZZ do if it loses a lock?
[16:14] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: 5 quid per full sheet on that site for polypropylene, or around 8 quid a square meter.
[16:14] <daveake> Keeps sending the same GPS time etc
[16:15] <RocketBoy> the time is ahead of what it should be for that seq
[16:15] <daveake> But packet number etc would update as normal
[16:15] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: err - less than that. http://www.cabp.co.uk/acatalog/4mm-Polycarbonate-Sheet-.html
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> I was thinking of 10mm, which is 10 quid for reformed/m^2
[16:18] <Laurenceb_> not bad
[16:19] <SpeedEvil> so, the whole thing - from pp might work out at ~100 quid - for external insulation and the pp elements, and some hacked up valveage.
[16:20] <SpeedEvil> ~150 probably
[16:21] <Laurenceb_> use servos and butterfly valves
[16:21] <SpeedEvil> yeah.
[16:21] <SpeedEvil> Not hard to make at those pressures.
[16:21] <DanielRichman> the battery voltage has also gone up in that string
[16:21] <SpeedEvil> Has someone tried mailing the person on the website?
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[16:28] <RocketBoy> so what was the IP address used?
[16:30] <number10> fsphil-laptop hadie4 sound file http://www.bowkis.com/hadie4/hadie4.wav - let me know when download - cheers
[16:30] <daveake> RocketBoy that last packet has a "flightmode" of 9, which means "landed". So to fake, someone would have to guess that number. OK it was previously sending 8 on descent so it could be guessed ...
[16:31] <RocketBoy> hum - perhaps the time between reports got shorter after landing?
[16:31] <DanielRichman> how much could temperature change the clock frequency? would that be enough to explain the sequence number?
[16:32] <Laurenceb_> is upload time from the packet or the uploading pc?
[16:32] <daveake> I wondered about that. The length does vary in some of the fields
[16:33] <daveake> Can't see that making an hour's difference though
[16:33] <DanielRichman> also it is a few characters longer due to the pressure going crazy
[16:33] <RocketBoy> yeah thats like 5% out
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[16:34] <daveake> pressure looks ok for near sea level
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[16:34] <RocketBoy> height looks ok on google earth
[16:34] <fsphil-laptop> thanks number10, downloading now
[16:35] <daveake> Buzz3 will need some special encoded field :p
[16:35] <fsphil-laptop> salted md5 hash :)
[16:35] <daveake> Perhaps it was abducted by aliens at 23km, then returned when they'd finished examining it :D
[16:36] <fsphil-laptop> I hear Mulder and Scully are not doing anything these days
[16:36] <daveake> lol
[16:36] <NigeyS> i keep telling ya, its the sheep!
[16:36] <daveake> The payload is out there
[16:36] <daveake> By the time we've got it figured out, I could drive there and collect it :D
[16:37] <NigeyS> lol
[16:37] <fsphil-laptop> back into the tunnel mate!
[16:37] <daveake> Petrol + chunnel > worth
[16:37] <RocketBoy> we just need a long string - so we can pull em back
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[16:38] <daveake> Make it wire then we can up the download rate
[16:38] <fsphil-laptop> ooh, megabit downlink
[16:38] <RocketBoy> co-ax
[16:38] <number10> fsphil-laptop I notice that on your Beta version of fldigi some of the config tabs are not there compared to 3.20.29 - eg there is a misc tab that alows some text capturing options
[16:39] <fsphil-laptop> number10, downloaded
[16:39] <fsphil-laptop> there seemed to be some changes in the text capturing in fldigi itself
[16:39] <fsphil-laptop> when I did the last merge
[16:39] <fsphil-laptop> I never checked what they where though
[16:39] <number10> ok I'll delete
[16:39] <fsphil-laptop> thanks -- there's a missing packet in one image, gonna see if I can persuade it to decode
[16:40] <daveake> Sats=12. On a Lassen IQ. Obviously faked lol
[16:40] <number10> is someone doing fake uploads?
[16:40] <daveake> Doubt it, but it's keeping us amused :)
[16:41] <fsphil-laptop> meteor scatter
[16:41] <daveake> Or maybe it's the yanks trying to generate an excuse not to accept a record claim :D
[16:42] <andrew_apex> What was the new record set?
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[16:43] <daveake> #2 Latex altitude
[16:43] <fsphil-laptop> didn't get higher than pbh?
[16:44] <daveake> Not looked actually
[16:44] <daveake> I saw you say #2 and someone else said #3 including the film one
[16:44] <fsphil-laptop> 41.1km ... nope
[16:44] <daveake> So close :) :(
[16:45] <fsphil-laptop> so #3 amateur flight
[16:45] <fsphil-laptop> (if you consider PBH amateur)
[16:46] <Laurenceb_> we need hotter weather
[16:46] <Laurenceb_> it would probably have taken the record in summer
[16:46] <RocketBoy> bbl
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[16:47] <NigeyS> what was the last known dial freq for buzz?
[16:47] <NigeyS> .081 ?
[16:48] <daveake> With these howowowyeyeyeee balloons, I think anyone with a 1600g (or maybe larger) and small 100-200g payload is in with a shot.
[16:48] <fsphil-laptop> seems they prefer higher ascent rates too
[16:48] <fsphil-laptop> the slower ones just float
[16:48] <fsphil-laptop> 4m/s might be worth trying
[16:48] <daveake> That's what I was going to try but I overfilled :D
[16:49] <fsphil-laptop> I've a meganut, I could possibly do one next weekend
[16:49] <fsphil-laptop> but no ssdv which is no fun :)
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[16:49] <fsphil-laptop> plus that one would land in the irish sea
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[16:49] <daveake> Does it matter which sea? lol
[16:50] <number10> maybe I'll take my radio up to the lake district next weekend
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[16:50] <fsphil-laptop> hey if anyone happens to travel to the dales, do you fancy looking for a year old payload? :)
[16:50] <daveake> :)
[16:50] <number10> I thought james was up there in september
[16:51] <Dan-K2VOL> should put a rad source on it so you can find it years later
[16:51] <Dan-K2VOL> :-P
[16:51] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[16:51] <number10> :)
[16:51] <fsphil-laptop> just look for the dead trees
[16:51] <NigeyS> wow some1 using globaltuner to listen to louis armstrong :|
[16:51] <daveake> fsphil-laptop - you're going to have to start fitting considerably larger batteries :p
[16:51] <fsphil-laptop> solar ftw!
[16:51] <daveake> NigeyS lol
[16:51] <fsphil-laptop> or gsm backups
[16:52] <Dan-K2VOL> or perhaps some sort of biological power source that can eat things
[16:52] <NigeyS> hey Dan
[16:52] <Dan-K2VOL> i hNigeyS
[16:52] <fsphil-laptop> shame we can't harness the power of rain
[16:52] <fsphil-laptop> it would be perfect for the uk
[16:52] <NigeyS> lol
[16:52] <Dan-K2VOL> heh you can
[16:52] <Dan-K2VOL> piezoelectrics
[16:53] <Dan-K2VOL> would take a lot of rain splashes to save up enough to transmit though
[16:53] <fsphil-laptop> ooooh
[16:56] <fsphil-laptop> probably less than the leakage of the storage
[16:57] <fsphil-laptop> a small solar cell might be able to save up enough to transmit some data once a few days
[16:57] <Dan-K2VOL> yah sadly
[16:58] <danielsaul> Hiya - has anyone sent up gas sensors before?
[16:58] <Dan-K2VOL> sounds like fun
[16:58] <fsphil-laptop> don't recall any
[16:58] <Dan-K2VOL> Bill brown has worked with ozone sensors
[16:58] <danielsaul> Ok, just trying to work out what type to get
[16:58] <Dan-K2VOL> but I think that was actually to help the weather service ozone detector flights
[16:58] <danielsaul> ah
[17:00] <danielsaul> Might just have to get a few types and see what happens
[17:14] <SpeedEvil> Very few gas sensors have that much point
[17:14] <SpeedEvil> Most aren't sensitive enough, or won't work at the temperatures/pressures involved
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[18:01] <joph> playing with the funcube :D
[18:01] Action: fsphil-laptop is about to get some grub :)
[18:01] <fsphil-laptop> I've my funcube dongle setup to receive a radiosonde but they didn't seem to launch
[18:01] <joph> wow, i can see gprs
[18:02] <daveake> Chili and rice her, plus some Belgian beer :)
[18:02] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[18:02] <NigeyS> nom nom
[18:02] <fsphil-laptop> did the beer just turn up at the door, mysteriously?
[18:02] <Dan-K2VOL> nice joph
[18:02] <number10> I take it carrefour was closed on way back and you did not get a chance to buy the wine daveake.... nice write up BTW
[18:03] <daveake> number10 LOL and thanks :)
[18:03] <number10> like the sputnik look - expecting lunar module look alike next or battlestar galactica
[18:04] Action: daveake thinks ...
[18:04] <number10> keep it a surprise
[18:04] <daveake> Actually, next one will be back to camera/video, so it'll be cloud3 not buzz3 :)
[18:05] <daveake> I'll leave the record-breaking for now :)
[18:06] <joph> Dan-K2VOL, http://joph.de/pics/gsm1.png
[18:06] <daveake> I have one balloon left - Hwoowoye 1000
[18:07] <Dan-K2VOL> link to the pics daveake?
[18:07] <daveake> I'll just do the same as cloud2 but hopefully without the sea landing
[18:07] <number10> whens the next launch planned?
[18:07] <Dan-K2VOL> interesting joph
[18:07] <Dan-K2VOL> where are you joph
[18:07] <daveake> Dan www.daveakerman.com has the write-up
[18:08] <joph> an you can hear the classic gsm noise (which sounds often when you have a bad sound system) if you decode with fm
[18:08] <joph> germany
[18:08] <Dan-K2VOL> haha
[18:08] <daveake> number10 I'll put an application in for sometime towards the end of Jan I think
[18:08] <joph> near the alps
[18:08] <Dan-K2VOL> cool joph
[18:08] <Dan-K2VOL> anyone do any arm programming?
[18:08] <NigeyS> hands are better dan
[18:08] <number10> not me
[18:08] <NigeyS> ;)
[18:08] <Dan-K2VOL> her har
[18:08] <Dan-K2VOL> :-P
[18:09] <NigeyS> go me .. lol
[18:09] <NigeyS> i think laurenceb has dabbled with arm ?
[18:10] <Dan-K2VOL> looks like the In Reach uses an arm processor that takes firmware updates over USB. wouldn't it be grand if we could turn it into an arduino
[18:10] <NigeyS> oooo
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[18:19] <nosebleedKT> ./usr/local/share/man/man8 why man8? there was a man7 ?
[18:20] <russss> it's the section
[18:21] <russss> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_page#Manual_sections
[18:21] <nosebleedKT> oh yeah
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[18:35] <Laurenceb_> Dan-K2VOL: yes
[18:36] <Dan-K2VOL> Laurenceb_ it looks like the In Reach uses a gps baseband chip that's got an ARM7TDMI processor for user code, which seems to be how they run everything
[18:36] <Dan-K2VOL> with an external USB firmware upload port
[18:36] <Laurenceb_> whats In Reach?
[18:37] <Laurenceb_> right
[18:37] <Dan-K2VOL> http://j.mp/uekMam
[18:37] <Laurenceb_> if theres no documentation you are screwed
[18:37] <Dan-K2VOL> two-way sat text messenger
[18:37] <Dan-K2VOL> not quite, I do reverse engineering for a living
[18:38] <Dan-K2VOL> I can get all the programming info for the chip, I'm just looking for arm programmers
[18:38] <Laurenceb_> what sat netwrok does it use?
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[18:38] <Dan-K2VOL> Iridium
[18:39] <Dan-K2VOL> very fast, very good coverage
[18:39] <Dan-K2VOL> raw messages down of 270 bytes
[18:39] <Dan-K2VOL> out of the box the InReach will transmit location/alt/hdg/speed every 10 minutes
[18:39] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[18:40] <Laurenceb_> have you dismantled it
[18:40] <Dan-K2VOL> oh yes
[18:40] <Dan-K2VOL> I can share the dismantling docs with you privately if you email me your google docs email steamfire@gmail.com
[18:41] <Laurenceb_> i dont have google docs
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[18:52] <fsphil-laptop> daveake, love the car setup
[18:53] <daveake> :)
[18:54] <daveake> There's also a car PC running the chase car upload and dl-fldigi
[18:54] <daveake> The 3G access point worked great, even in france and Belgium
[18:55] <daveake> Actually, even though I thought it a bit unlikely we'd find Buzz, I wanted to try out all that kit.
[18:55] <fsphil-laptop> also this is brilliant: http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/P1030651-768x1024.jpg
[18:56] <daveake> :)
[18:56] <Dan-K2VOL> nice job daveake
[18:56] <joph> justizia ;)
[18:56] <daveake> It really was a great day
[18:57] <fsphil-laptop> bit menacing the way she's holding the sword behind her back
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[19:00] <LazyLeopard> daveake: Good report. :)
[19:00] <daveake> cheers :)
[19:02] <LazyLeopard> I did get a partial line which appeared to show an altitude of 41008 metres, but as much of the line was mangled...
[19:03] <daveake> Yeah, I think one other person got the same altitude. I guess that was just as it popped
[19:04] <LazyLeopard> Yep.
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[19:15] <fsphil-laptop> I lost an image packet when mine popped
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[19:22] <Dan-K2VOL> some very handy sat-tracker hacking news coming out in a few hours on http://travisgoodspeed.blogspot.com/
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[19:25] <Laurenceb_> http://travisgoodspeed.blogspot.com/2011/03/practical-mc13224-firmware-extraction.html
[19:25] <Dan-K2VOL> oh yes, quite fun stuff. he's a friend of mine
[19:27] <fsphil-laptop> hehe, snowing again
[19:27] <fsphil-laptop> melting chips, that's hard core
[19:27] <Dan-K2VOL> surprisingly easy though
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[19:48] <daveake> WOOHOOO !!!!
[19:49] <Dan-K2VOL> oh?
[19:49] <SpeedEvil> I melt chips all the time.
[19:49] <Dan-K2VOL> with your mind?
[19:49] Action: SpeedEvil noms oven-chips.
[19:49] <fsphil-laptop> daveake, good news?
[19:49] <Dan-K2VOL> mmmmm
[19:49] <SpeedEvil> (actually, I rarely eat chips)
[19:49] <daveake> Good news :)
[19:49] <fsphil-laptop> Elvis returned?
[19:50] <fsphil-laptop> was seen in McDonalds?
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[19:50] <NigeyS> you paid the sheep their randsome ?
[19:50] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[19:50] <daveake> lol
[19:50] <daveake> Hi Dave We found the payload in Pittem! We started the recovery from Ostend, luckily I had a receiver and computer in my car. After some time we captured one line, so we could decode the exact location of the payload. The recovery was not so easy, bad roads, lots of mud, ... Regards, Peter
[19:50] <fsphil-laptop> You mutton ever do that
[19:50] <SpeedEvil> :)
[19:50] <Dan-K2VOL> wow great!
[19:50] <fsphil-laptop> Peter is a champion
[19:51] <daveake> Indeed
[19:51] <NigeyS> pittem...
[19:51] <NigeyS> aha thats the dns part of the ip if u remember
[19:52] <NigeyS> ok maybe not, though it began with p lol
[19:54] <LazyLeopard> Did the payload record GPS data itself?
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[19:54] <daveake> No, no SD card this time
[19:55] <LazyLeopard> Ah well.
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[19:57] <daveake> Next one will. I ran out of pins for Buzz1 so I removed the code. Didn't put it back in for Buzz2 though I had spare pins that time
[19:57] <daveake> Hey Steve
[19:57] <daveake> Peter's a hero :)
[19:57] <RocketBoy> yeaaa
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[19:57] <daveake> And BIG THANKS to you for making it happen :)
[19:57] <daveake> http://imgur.com/a/9qltM
[19:58] <daveake> I had a snooze whilst Windows installed SP1 .... got back online and had a very exciting email to read :)
[19:58] Action: fsphil-laptop phones the number
[19:59] <RocketBoy> NP - its a good job Peter was listening out on his way there
[19:59] <fsphil-laptop> nah, I'd never prank call anyone :)
[19:59] <fsphil-laptop> this may be the luckiest recovery so far
[19:59] Action: SpeedEvil notes the slightly-optimistic '+44'.
[19:59] <fsphil-laptop> haha
[20:00] <daveake> lol
[20:00] <fsphil-laptop> what's the red bit?
[20:00] <daveake> LED
[20:00] <Upu> Oh Peter got it
[20:00] <Upu> cool
[20:04] <LazyLeopard> Wow! The chute chords look very twisted. Where was it, and how did it match up with the last predicted landing point?
[20:05] <daveake> I think about 5km from Steve's prediction yesterday
[20:05] <Upu> thats great news
[20:05] <daveake> I seem to specialise in twisted cords :(
[20:05] <Upu> someone needs to buy the Howest boys a pint
[20:06] <LazyLeopard> :)
[20:06] <RocketBoy> Not bad - 5Km out from my prediction - way better than the tracker prediction which was 18Km out
[20:06] <daveake> The 'chute was larger than needed for the payload weight, fortunately
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[20:06] <fsphil-laptop> looks like the antenna got twisted with the cord
[20:06] <Upu> would explain the loss of signal
[20:06] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[20:06] <daveake> That would explain the poor signal after burst
[20:06] <fsphil-laptop> I don't think that's happened before
[20:06] <daveake> Back to rigid antenna next time
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[20:08] <RocketBoy> so much for theories of fake uploads
[20:09] <daveake> lol :)
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[20:14] <fsphil-laptop> I'm not sure this balloon flew at all :p
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[20:15] <fsphil-laptop> ah cool, just spotted spacenear.us tracked the start of the drive to the launch site
[20:21] <daveake> Actually, the string is wrapped round one of the ground plane wires, which got pulled out from the restraining wire hoop which you can see on the right of that lat pic.
[20:21] <daveake> last
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[20:22] <costyn> hehehe cool that it was recoverd... this is the seccond balloon recovered by Howest ; who's was it that was recovered about a month and a half ago?
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[20:33] <RocketBoy> costyn: that was my payload
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[20:35] <NigeyS> lol
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[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[20:37] <fsphil-laptop> happy happy joy joy
[20:37] <daveake> :)
[20:37] <RocketBoy> alls well that ends well
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:37] <daveake> Might have another of those Belgian beers I brought back :)
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> was BUZZ recovered?
[20:38] <daveake> YES
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[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> YAY
[20:38] <daveake> http://imgur.com/a/9qltM
[20:39] <daveake> Peter's getting good at this :)
[20:40] <daveake> fsphil-laptop You need to aim for Belgium next time ;)
[20:42] <fsphil-laptop> that's a good plan I think
[20:42] <fsphil-laptop> I was getting excited when it looked like it was going to float, thought it might make it to holland
[20:42] <daveake> Oh, it floated ....
[20:42] <daveake> :p
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:42] <fsphil-laptop> wrong float lol
[20:43] <fsphil-laptop> no doubt some part of it is still floating even now
[20:43] <fsphil-laptop> not sure how waterproof the duct tape is
[20:43] <fsphil-laptop> it might wash up in norway
[20:43] <daveake> Next to cloud2
[20:44] <fsphil-laptop> it'll get there first
[20:46] <RocketBoy> fsphil-laptop: I had one of mine wash up after 3 weeks of being in the north sea - the duct tape had started to go but was all on
[20:46] <fsphil-laptop> interesting
[20:46] <fsphil-laptop> where did it wash up?
[20:47] <RocketBoy> just up the coast from where I live - southwold
[20:47] <fsphil-laptop> this is the brightest payload I've made, if it does wash up somewhere it should be easy to spot
[20:47] <fsphil-laptop> not many beach walkers in this weather maybe
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> http://www.theplasticshop.co.uk/nylon-66-rod-5mm-to-36mm-diameter-1759-0.html
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if they've screwed up on the prices.
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> a pound, for 3m of 5mm nylon rod looks quite keen.
[20:48] Action: daveake ponders how many HABs might be found on a walk along the Suffolk coast
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:49] <RocketBoy> ers a pic of it after being in the sea http://imagebin.org/186975
[20:50] <fsphil-laptop> not bad
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> I remember that one flight was washed up in Denmark?
[20:50] <fsphil-laptop> I bet it stank lol
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> there are photos of the oxydized PCBs on the wiki somewhere
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> was it edmoore?
[20:51] <fsphil-laptop> there was quite a bit of battery power left in hadie:4 -- that's not going to agree with all that salt water
[20:51] <fsphil-laptop> if it is ever found there won't be much left inside it
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[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> is SpeedEvil at the keyboard?
[20:58] <SpeedEvil> kj
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> remember my thing about that book service and the password?
[20:59] <SpeedEvil> Umm.
[20:59] <SpeedEvil> No.
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[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> yesterday I described that I got an email from the book on demand service about the password having been resetted because of security reasons
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> and then you said that someone had stolen their password file
[21:00] <SpeedEvil> Ah - just a thought - I had no info.
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> I asked a fellow author and he said he got it too
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> and that the new login now wants a secure passwort
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> *password
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> i.e. it asks that you create a password with lowercase and uppercase letters
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> and that this was maybe the reason for the reset, that they changed their login system like that
[21:01] <SpeedEvil> Not completely impossiblye - however why would they not simply enforce it on login?
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> good question
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> I also thought that they should have put some more information in that e-mail
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> as I said yesterday, unexpected emails about passwords look like hacking/phishing
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[21:10] <fsphil-laptop> anyone know what exif magic flickr need to read the location of the image?
[21:11] <fsphil-laptop> I've added coordinates but it doesn't seem to recognise them
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[21:21] <fsphil-laptop> oh wait it did work
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[21:47] <fsphil-laptop> gpscorrelate - lovely little program that takes a bunch of images, and a gpx file (gps track) and adds geo tags to the images
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> hello fsphil-laptop
[21:48] <fsphil-laptop> elo
[21:48] <fsphil-laptop> images are all here, although there's nothing new: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fsphil/sets/72157628264170117/
[21:48] <fsphil-laptop> I've still to get the launch pics
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> very nice
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:50] <Dan-K2VOL> nice
[21:50] <number10> fsphil-laptop - do you craft your paload box from a solid poly cube?
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[21:51] <Dan-K2VOL> that is the most bizzare foam I have ever seen
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> hey Dan-K2VOL
[21:51] <Dan-K2VOL> hi kev
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> xD I just got geiger counter mode
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> rain hitting against the blinds
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:52] <fsphil-laptop> bizarre in what way?
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:53] <fsphil-laptop> I'll send you some :)
[21:53] <fsphil-laptop> it works really well
[21:53] <fsphil-laptop> I seem to get very little drift
[21:54] <fsphil-laptop> no temperature sensor though, so I can't say too much about how warm/cold things are
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[22:01] <Dan-K2VOL> it looks grey-blue with very big grains. perhaps I just can't ever see the detail on the white stuff I've used cause it's so bright
[22:08] <fsphil-laptop> it's quite annoying to work with, it sticks to everything
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[22:14] <fsphil-laptop> the payload must not have been well balanced, most of the images are leaning a bit clockwise
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[22:24] <number10> where do you get it fsphil-laptop
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[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> yeah fsphil-laptop where did you get that styrofoam from?
[22:31] <Upu> 1962
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[22:33] <fsphil-laptop> my sister was putting in under-floor heating. I nicked it from her :)
[22:33] <fsphil-laptop> snowing here again -- quite a lot of it too
[22:33] <Upu> yeah its settled a litte round here
[22:35] <fsphil-laptop> the shed and solar panels are covered
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> ohhh you got snow already?
[22:38] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[22:38] <fsphil-laptop> it's mostly stopped again
[22:39] <fsphil-laptop> the ground is frozen too after the sleet earlier
[22:39] <Matt_soton> whats the usual reason for fldigi to not download a list of payloads?
[22:39] <fsphil-laptop> going to be an interesting journey to work in the morning :)
[22:39] <fsphil-laptop> not online?
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> ohhhh!
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> thunderstorm here!!
[22:41] <Matt_soton> fsphil-laptop: im online and fldigi is in online mode :\
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[22:41] <fsphil-laptop> you lucky git Lunar_Lander
[22:41] <fsphil-laptop> Matt_soton, windows or linux?
[22:41] <Matt_soton> win7
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[22:42] <fsphil-laptop> ah, no console output
[22:42] <fsphil-laptop> the dl client menu has an option to download data
[22:42] <fsphil-laptop> does that do anything?
[22:42] <gonzo_> quick, get a balloon up and get some pics!
[22:43] <Matt_soton> the status bar at the bottom says it downloads data but nothing shows up
[22:44] <fsphil-laptop> the last time this happened, the user deleted their cache and it worked again
[22:44] <fsphil-laptop> it's in the windows profile dir
[22:44] <Matt_soton> yea i was looking for that but couldt find ut
[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> xD gonzo_
[22:49] <jcoxon> i might do a pico flight next weekend
[22:50] <fsphil-laptop> it's called .dl-fldigi I think
[22:50] <fsphil-laptop> in somewhere like c:\users\username\.dl-fldigi
[22:52] <Matt_soton> hmm there was a rogue dlfldigi application running in the background
[22:53] <Matt_soton> anwyay working now
[22:53] <Matt_soton> thanks fsphil-laptop
[22:53] <fsphil-laptop> odd
[22:53] <fsphil-laptop> any changes from the last one jcoxon?
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[22:54] <jcoxon> yeah probably
[22:54] <jcoxon> not sure what payload it'll be
[22:55] <fsphil-laptop> I liked the idea of using the pressure sensor to measure altitude
[22:55] <fsphil-laptop> been watching the met radiosondes, and they do something similar alongside GPS
[22:55] <fsphil-laptop> they seem to match up really well
[22:56] <jcoxon> i'm trying to decide what sort of setup to go for
[22:56] <jcoxon> pico3 (the single balloon setup) isn't really ready
[22:57] <jcoxon> but i might build a copy and instead use a step up + AAA
[22:57] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[22:58] <fsphil-laptop> watch the step-up modules are not affected by temperature
[22:58] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[22:59] <jcoxon> fsphil-laptop, data sheet says -40
[23:02] <fsphil-laptop> perfect!
[23:06] <fsphil-laptop> Lunar_Lander, http://i.imgur.com/v35NY.jpg
[23:07] <Laurenceb_> wow
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> COOL
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[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop has dark hair
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[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL
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[23:09] <fsphil-laptop> huh?
[23:11] <Upu> You sent it here fsphil http://i.imgur.com/oIsji.jpg
[23:11] <Upu> think you have more than us
[23:11] <Upu> right bed time night!
[23:11] <fsphil-laptop> muhahaa
[23:12] <fsphil-laptop> the snow machine is working perfectly
[23:12] <fsphil-laptop> night Upu !
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[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> xD fsphil-laptop I meant the mirroring image of you in the window
[23:14] <Lunar_Lander> top left of your picture
[23:15] <fsphil-laptop> aah, yes indeed that is my head
[23:15] <fsphil-laptop> I do have one, although I don't often revel it in public :)
[23:15] <fsphil-laptop> reveal*
[23:17] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[23:20] <jcoxon> fsphil-laptop, i think i'm going to go for a single balloon flight
[23:20] <fsphil-laptop> one really big one?
[23:20] <jcoxon> no
[23:20] <jcoxon> one foil
[23:21] <fsphil-laptop> big foil I mean?
[23:21] <jcoxon> i think i'll go for a pico flight with a single balloon
[23:21] <jcoxon> yeah 36"
[23:23] <fsphil-laptop> do you fill the balloon or leave it a little soft?
[23:24] <jcoxon> between 50% and 75%
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[23:43] <kristianpaul> SpeedEvil: Hello, do you know any homebrew FM tranceiver that could be used to send/receive telemtry?
[23:44] <SpeedEvil> No.
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