highaltitude.log.20111203

[00:00] <Laurenceb_> your on mars
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[01:13] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[07:20] <daveake> Morning all
[07:21] <fsphil> morning
[07:21] <fsphil> *rubs eyes*
[07:21] <daveake> lol
[07:21] <daveake> I think I must have rubbed a magic lamp because the Lassen got a lock before I finished putting the kit in the chase car
[07:21] <daveake> That's a first
[07:22] <fsphil> that is a surprise
[07:23] <fsphil> I should probably turn this one on before I leave too
[07:24] <daveake> yeah
[07:25] <daveake> The chase car is looking like rjharrisons lol
[07:25] <fsphil> nice
[07:25] <daveake> I'll take some photos
[07:25] <fsphil> afraid I won't have the dash mounted trackers :)
[07:26] <fsphil> actually I'm driving this time
[07:26] <daveake> Galaxy Tab in the middle with the map + netbook on a mount for IRC plus car PC for fldigi
[07:26] <daveake> :)
[07:26] <Darkside> moooorning
[07:26] <daveake> Plus sat navs and phone
[07:26] <daveake> Starship Enterprise
[07:27] <daveake> Mooooooooorning
[07:27] <daveake> Battery will probably be flat by the time I've launched lol
[07:27] <fsphil> lol
[07:27] <fsphil> I've 8x lithiums in this
[07:27] <daveake> Speaking of which, a bit gusty here
[07:27] <fsphil> here too
[07:27] <daveake> Just 44 here.
[07:27] <daveake> 4
[07:27] <fsphil> though there's nice calm gaps
[07:27] <daveake> lol
[07:27] <daveake> yes
[07:27] <fsphil> hullo Darkside
[07:27] Action: Darkside is watching the bridge over the river kwai
[07:28] Action: fsphil isn't
[07:28] Action: fsphil is not long awake, cold and hungry :)
[07:29] <fsphil> I better weight this beastie
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[07:41] <fsphil> 290g
[07:41] <fsphil> lighter than I expected
[07:41] <fsphil> 320g with the chute
[07:42] <fsphil> I might need to add ballast
[07:43] <natrium42> fsphil: it's your project, so i think it should be you
[07:44] <fsphil> I'm a bit heavy lol
[07:44] <fsphil> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=c4ed5b8cb9ee50d72c65c09ed69a763f67fd5119
[07:44] <fsphil> that's if it bursts when the calculator claims it will
[07:45] <natrium42> eek
[07:45] <natrium42> do you want it back?
[07:45] <fsphil> ideally :)
[07:45] <eroomde> jesus
[07:45] <eroomde> oh there's another richmond
[07:45] <fsphil> I don't think it will burst at 36km
[07:46] <eroomde> fsphil: you are flight *completely directly* over the fylingdales early warning radar
[07:46] <eroomde> one of europe's main early warning radars
[07:46] <eroomde> it's on the coast of the north york moors national park
[07:47] <fsphil> I don't think it'll get that far east
[07:47] <eroomde> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Fylingdales
[07:47] <fsphil> I don't think a totex has ever gotten to 36km?
[07:47] <fsphil> oh wait it has, one floated at 36km
[07:48] <eroomde> oh yes
[07:48] <Darkside> eroomde: it wouldn't show much much on radar
[07:48] <Darkside> maybe as much as abird
[07:48] <eroomde> we've been to 35/36km with totexs on a few occassions
[07:48] <eroomde> Darkside: a bird at 120,000ft?
[07:48] <Darkside> eroomde: :P
[07:48] <fsphil> well ATC know it's coming
[07:49] <fsphil> do they talk to the army? :)
[07:49] <eroomde> this is seriously serious synthetic aperture radar, this is the unit they are talking about when they say then can see people playing tennis in moscow
[07:49] <eroomde> which is probably* propaganda
[07:49] <eroomde> *definitely
[07:49] <Darkside> it woul dbe
[07:49] <Darkside> if it isnt HF
[07:50] <Darkside> and HF radar doesn't have that much resolution :-)
[07:50] <eroomde> probably they just to moon bounce
[07:50] <eroomde> do*
[07:50] <Darkside> pff
[07:50] <Darkside> ducting
[07:50] <fsphil> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=14b6a6a4bb2e831b83c5109270cf56303a6ff26c
[07:50] <eroomde> anyway, they'll see it alright
[07:50] <Darkside> they use their weather control systems to induce ducting :P
[07:51] <Darkside> oh wow what a town name
[07:51] <Darkside> Eskdaleside cum Ugglebarnby
[07:51] <fsphil> okie, 4m/s ascent rate means it's very unlikely to burst late enough to take a dip in the north sea
[07:51] <fsphil> and more likely to land in that nice bit between the parks
[07:52] <fsphil> unless the parachute works better than expected
[07:59] <daveake> Just now weighed Buzznik at 175g, so that's about 200g with 'chute, which matches my guesstimate
[07:59] <daveake> Just making sure everything is in the chase car (including passports!) then we're off to the launch site which is all of 1 minute away
[08:00] <daveake> My only worry really is getting the lift right - it's a bit gusty though there are quiet periods
[08:00] <x-f> have a recoverable flight!
[08:01] <daveake> Well Buzz has a 100% (1 of 1) record :)
[08:01] <daveake> Beeing a hwooooeeyeyeyee with lowish ascent there is a chance it'll float for a while
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[08:07] <fsphil> it certainly could
[08:07] <fsphil> no chance of that here
[08:07] <fsphil> making a checklist...
[08:08] <fsphil> ooh, forgot the straw
[08:08] <daveake> straw?
[08:08] <daveake> That's not how you inflate a balloon ....
[08:09] <Upu> morning
[08:09] <Upu> you seriously launching with that prediction fsphil ?
[08:09] <Upu> thats Middlesbrough
[08:09] <Upu> petrochemical wonderland of the north
[08:10] <fsphil> it won't go that far east
[08:10] <fsphil> it'll be nearer richmond
[08:10] <Upu> you're within 5 miles of ICI Wilton
[08:10] <Upu> you know those flame stacks at the start of Blade Runner ?
[08:10] <Upu> ICI Wilton
[08:11] <Upu> hope you're right :)
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[08:11] <fsphil> me too lol
[08:11] <fsphil> it's a fairly old totex balloon
[08:13] <fsphil> this is more likely: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=bb1899742c0dc6aae02ff4240cf547ff26739d2d
[08:13] <Upu> ok
[08:13] <Upu> hope so
[08:13] <Upu> or Hadie = http://www.photodoktor.co.uk/Old%20site/flare.jpg
[08:13] <fsphil> same here
[08:14] <fsphil> it would make an epic last image
[08:14] <Upu> and trust me they could melt a payload at 100 meters
[08:14] <mattltm> Morning all :)
[08:14] <Upu> morning
[08:14] <Upu> right best walk dog
[08:14] <Upu> bbs
[08:15] <mattltm> Hi fsphil. Still on for a launch?
[08:15] <fsphil> yep yep mattltm
[08:15] <Darkside> i'll haev to track via a globaltuner :-)
[08:15] <Darkside> or try to
[08:19] <fsphil> hopefully the two payload don't fall at the same time
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[08:30] <SamSilver_> looks like Buzz went for a drive to launch site
[08:44] <fsphil> payload sealed up
[08:44] <fsphil> seems to be working
[08:45] <Upu> clearing the crap off the map
[08:46] <Upu> so you at the launch site already fsphil ?
[08:46] <fsphil> not yet
[08:46] <Upu> ok
[08:46] <fsphil> decided it best to see if it all works first :)
[08:46] <Upu> pls
[08:47] <fsphil> there's enough batteries in there to last 2 days
[08:47] <Upu> don't make me have to go to Middlesbrough
[08:47] <fsphil> I will try my best!
[08:48] <gonzo_> mornin all
[08:49] <Upu> morning
[08:49] <fsphil> morning
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[08:51] <gonzo_> how's the wx look fhil?
[08:53] <fsphil> actually very nice
[08:54] <Upu> its not bad outside
[08:54] <Upu> just a little windy
[08:55] <fsphil> calm here
[08:55] <gonzo_> ideal for the fill then phil
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[09:00] <fsphil-laptop> my 3g dongle has naturally decided not to work
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[09:01] <LazyLeopard> Ho hum
[09:01] <fsphil-laptop> trying to connect through the htc
[09:03] <Upu> anyone know of a netbook sized netbook/laptop with a built in 3G modem ?
[09:03] <Upu> I have an NC10 with it but the screen is on the blink and I need a new one
[09:03] <fsphil-laptop> that would be neat
[09:03] <fsphil-laptop> having all this built in
[09:03] <Upu> my NC10 has it
[09:03] <Upu> but I can't find a new one with it
[09:04] <M1ELR> Time for a tablet App I think?
[09:05] <number10> "E0UPU/M is middle of london on tracker - not too sure if you wanted it there
[09:05] <number10> +2
[09:05] <Upu> hi number10 yeah that was when I was in London tracking
[09:05] <Upu> I'll change it when I go set the car up
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[09:05] <MI6VIM> yay, mobile internet
[09:05] <MI6VIM> right.. packing up the car. bbl
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[09:08] <mattltm> Who is the brains behing the tracker?
[09:08] <mattltm> *behind
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[09:11] <LazyLeopard> Right. BUZZ is in the air, 434.649.60
[09:11] Nick change: LazyLeopard -> M0LEP
[09:13] <joph> Upu, thinkpad x220 series
[09:14] <joph> look for a free minipcie slot and antennas, then you can easily add a 3g module
[09:18] <gonzo_> wow, just got the first telem packet!
[09:19] Action: M0LEP waves to G0NZO
[09:19] <M0LEP> ;)
[09:20] <M0LEP> Chase car is also getting some packets in.
[09:22] <gonzo_> not strong but getting decode
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[09:25] <daveake_> hi guys
[09:25] <daveake_> Almost on time lol
[09:26] <Darkside> hmm predictions arent running
[09:26] <Darkside> will see if i can get that going
[09:27] <Darkside> downloading gfs data now
[09:27] <gonzo_> I did wonder about them
[09:27] <Darkside> daveake_: flight specs?
[09:27] <Darkside> max altitude, etc
[09:28] <Darkside> is 33km ok?
[09:29] <daveake_> Last one was a higher ascent 5 vs 4 m/s and did about 36k
[09:29] <Darkside> ok
[09:29] <Darkside> its set up for 33km
[09:29] <Darkside> will change it in a bit
[09:29] <daveake_> ok
[09:29] <Darkside> predictions have started
[09:29] <daveake_> cool
[09:29] <Darkside> probably not accurate yt
[09:29] <Darkside> since half the data is missing
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[09:29] <M0LEP> gonzo_: How far from the payload are you?
[09:30] Action: M0LEP is 72kms and closing, and the signal's getting kinda loud. ;)
[09:31] <gonzo_> 103km says fldigi
[09:31] <Upu> I can see buzz on waterfall
[09:31] <gonzo_> I don't have a clear local horison, till I'm beaming east
[09:31] <Darkside> daveake_: are you plannign on going to france?
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[09:32] <gonzo_> apptly so
[09:32] <Upu> 434.650 400 shift
[09:33] <daveake_> Darkside Yep
[09:33] <fsphil> car packed, waiting on the crew to get out of bed :)
[09:33] <M0LEP> fsphil: Heh
[09:34] <Upu> my car is ready too
[09:34] <joph> *happy*
[09:34] <joph> unboxing the funcube
[09:34] <Upu> tell them to get the f?ck up
[09:35] <fsphil> they're up, well one is
[09:35] <fsphil> that's a nice prediction for buzz
[09:35] <fsphil> if it's accurate
[09:35] Nick change: Upu -> Upu_2E0UPU
[09:35] <M0LEP> It's hopping about a bit at the moment. ;)
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[09:36] <fsphil> I can't think of anything I've forgotten
[09:36] <joph> wow, i've got one with the serial number near 4000, are there only around 4000 funcube dongles build until now?
[09:36] <Upu_2E0UPU> hand built aren't they ?
[09:36] <fsphil> yea
[09:36] <Upu_2E0UPU> fsphil whats the flight time about 3 hours ?
[09:37] Nick change: M0LEP -> LazyL-M0LEP
[09:37] <fsphil> that's about right Upu_2E0UPU
[09:37] <gonzo_> not sure if hand built now, but certainly hand tested
[09:37] <daveake_> fsphil What's the prediction say?
[09:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> so no point me setting off until about an hour into the flight
[09:37] <fsphil> should land around 13:00
[09:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> if you launch on time
[09:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> and given its 20 mins and you're not even onsite yet ho hum
[09:37] <fsphil> launch site is 20 minutes away...
[09:38] <Upu_2E0UPU> 2 mins to fill :)
[09:38] <daveake_> lol
[09:38] <Upu_2E0UPU> chop chop
[09:38] <fsphil> daveake_, predicted to land in france
[09:38] <fsphil> just beside a forest park -- ok maybe not such a good prediction
[09:38] <daveake_> lol
[09:38] <daveake_> beside is good
[09:38] <Upu_2E0UPU> Buzz faded alot for me
[09:41] <LazyL-M0LEP> I guess it's heading away from you. It has faded a bit in the last few rows here too, though.
[09:41] <LazyL-M0LEP> Going through some high cloud maybe?
[09:42] <daveake_> ssome thick clouds here
[09:42] <gonzo_> cloud would not affest sigs
[09:43] <gonzo_> drifting a little in freq now. But actually suprisingly stable. Has a heater on the tx?
[09:43] <daveake_> nope
[09:43] <LazyL-M0LEP> Signal drifting as well as fading at present
[09:43] <daveake_> Did think of doing that but ran out of time
[09:44] <daveake_> Buzz is a fast bugger
[09:44] <x-f> Buzz's speed really is kmph not knots, right?
[09:44] <daveake_> yes
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[09:45] <daveake_> He's transmitting kph
[09:46] <daveake_> Oh, does spacenear assume knotties?
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[09:46] <daveake_> Forget that
[09:46] <daveake_> I saw a lower figuire on dlfldigi and higher on the map
[09:48] <LazyL-M0LEP> Hmmm 35kms and still closing... I think this is the closest I've had a balloon fly past me. ;)
[09:48] <daveake_> Wave :)
[09:51] <number10> daveake - they have closed tescos in Cite Europe - so if your going to bring me back some wine youll have to go carrefour ;)
[09:51] <gonzo_> will it wave back?
[09:51] <daveake_> number10 Sure thing :p
[09:51] <daveake_> gonzo_ Yeah, sure :p
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[09:51] <number10> :)
[09:52] <GW8RAK> Morning all, is the signal strength from Buzz a bit low?
[09:52] <GW8RAK> Can't hear a thing here
[09:52] <Upu_2E0UPU> its not great
[09:52] <Dutch-Mill_> whow weak signals overhere all ready
[09:52] <GW8RAK> Just turned the sig gen on to test the installation and it all appears okay
[09:52] <gonzo_> morning. Looking good from here. Getting better as it's getting clear of my local clutter
[09:53] <Dutch-Mill_> what flight level is it ?
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[09:55] <LazyL-M0LEP> Just over-flown Gatwick
[09:58] <LazyL-M0LEP> Much fading in the signal at present...
[09:59] <daveake_> Yes, we've not had as good a signal as usual either
[10:00] <LazyL-M0LEP> Still decoding most rows, though.
[10:00] <daveake_> Good, thanks :)
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[10:03] <GW8RAK> Have to abandon Buzz I think. Not a sign on the waterfall.
[10:04] <daveake_> ok, thanks anyway
[10:04] <gonzo_> phil is geraing up for his launch soon
[10:04] <Rob_M0DTS> BUZZ in here but lots of qsb.
[10:06] <GW8RAK> What frequency Rob?
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[10:07] <joph> trying to receive anything with the funcube dongle...
[10:08] <daveake_> Julie is humming "Lost in France" ...
[10:09] <Rob_M0DTS> 434.647 'ish'
[10:09] <GW8RAK> Women do things like that daveake_
[10:12] <SamSilver> When my wife sees the payload jumping around the launch, moving back and forth, she makes a little jive and says, "How cute that it wobbles like that" and then lol's so hard so nearly pops a rib!
[10:14] <SamSilver> She wants to know where "ooopooh"
[10:14] <SamSilver> is today
[10:15] <SamSilver> that would be you Upu_2E0UPU
[10:15] <GW8RAK> They have a way of talking which just seems to take the piss.
[10:15] <GW8RAK> But you've got to love them
[10:15] <SamSilver> excatly!!!
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[10:17] <GW8RAK> Looking at the wind outside today, Phil's flight should get across the Irish Sea pretty quick
[10:17] <daveake_> Yeah, Buzz was up to 185kph for a while
[10:18] <daveake_> Launch site alternated between still and gusty
[10:20] <LazyL-M0LEP> Hmmm... dl-fldigi's auto-retuning doesn't seem to be doing the right thing... :/
[10:20] <LazyL-M0LEP> Missed a few there while I had a shower.
[10:20] <SamSilver> daveake_: I am watching the predictors landing site shift around
[10:20] <futurity> Morning all
[10:20] <futurity> Tracking now
[10:21] <daveake_> Yeah, I always thought the landing spot was going to be a but random
[10:21] <gonzo_> I find winding the filter width up to 130 ish helps the decodes (as the shift is not always exact) and the AFC
[10:21] <daveake_> I see Phil is launching to Bill Standard Time today :)
[10:22] <daveake_> (he says smugly) :p
[10:22] <SamSilver> you riding shotgun dave?
[10:23] <number10> I didnt realise it was possible to do 80mph on the m25
[10:23] <LazyL-M0LEP> Yeah, but it gets reset to 75 if you adjust the shift.
[10:23] <SamSilver> afk
[10:23] <daveake_> kph conversion errror Number10
[10:23] <gonzo_> yep it does.
[10:23] <gonzo_> btw, the shift is rduucing a little
[10:23] <number10> yea
[10:24] <LazyL-M0LEP> About 360 at present...
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[10:26] <SamSilver> daveake_: your predicted landing spot has been within about a 10km by 10km square
[10:27] <daveake_> cool
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[10:28] <futurity> Struggling to decode here. The contrast on waterfall between signal and noise seems very slight
[10:29] <futurity> when there is a high noise to signal ratio, is it best to have the waterfall more blue that yellow
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[10:36] <LazyL-M0LEP> Yeah, it's oddly faint at present. Wonder how much of that (for me) is down to the colinear's response, and how much down to the oak trees just beyond my garden's southern corner....
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[10:36] <LazyL-M0LEP> Much short-interval QSB
[10:37] <futurity> I'm getting almost all characters but checksum not validating correctly
[10:37] <GW8RAK> Shouldn't make much difference as there are no leaves on the trees
[10:37] <futurity> Shift still 360Hz?
[10:37] <LazyL-M0LEP> There are still leaves on these oaks...
[10:37] <LazyL-M0LEP> Yep. Well, 355.
[10:38] <gonzo_> try increasing the bandwudth slider to say 130
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[10:39] <futurity> where would I find the bandwidth slider? Sorry must be bland today
[10:40] <LazyL-M0LEP> Bottom of the RTTY config pane
[10:40] <daveake__> click on RTTY bottom left
[10:41] <futurity> that bandwidth trsik seems to have helped a lot
[10:41] <futurity> what does it actually do?
[10:42] <gonzo_> It looks to be the bandwidth of the demodulator filters
[10:42] <gonzo_> and I recon 75hz is just a bit narrow for 50baud
[10:42] <futurity> lol, I still have no idea what that means ;)
[10:42] <futurity> i see that makes more sense
[10:43] <gonzo_> the demod is looking for the audio tome flicking between two refw bands
[10:43] <gonzo_> tone
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[10:43] <gonzo_> the demod is looking for the audio tone flicking between two freq bands
[10:43] <futurity> yep
[10:44] <gonzo_> when in one it see's a mark sig, and t'other it will see s space sig
[10:44] <gonzo_> but the rtty modulation sreads the audio signals
[10:44] <gonzo_> spreads
[10:45] <gonzo_> (not typing well today)
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[10:47] <futurity> Thanks for the explaination
[10:47] <gonzo_> np
[10:49] <LazyL-M0LEP> Wonder how high it'll go?
[10:49] <daveake__> The ascent rate is a bit higher than intended. Last one with this size balloon was a bit slow and did 36km roughly
[10:50] <daveake__> slower
[10:53] <G8DSU> Sudden dramatic drop in sig strength here - don't know if it's just me
[10:54] <daveake__> ok here
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[10:56] <SamSilver> 34Km and beyond
[10:56] <SUPAD> hello everyone
[10:57] <GW8RAK> Hi SUPAD
[10:57] <SUPAD> i see daveake is flying to FR :)
[10:57] <daveake__> Buzz1 is 1 place above "Infinity" in the stats ...
[10:58] <SUPAD> ;)
[10:58] <SUPAD> sry for beeing a noob, but how this tracking works ?
[10:59] <GW8RAK> On board GPS data is sent to distributed listeners, i.e. they are all over the place.
[10:59] <GW8RAK> If they receive a valid data packet, it is sent via the internet to a server which plots it on spacenear.us
[11:00] <SUPAD> ok thx
[11:00] <SUPAD> i get the internet part
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[11:00] <SUPAD> but how does the communication between BUZZ and the listeners happen ?
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[11:01] <gonzo_> the balloon has a radio transmitter that broadcasts it's location and all the receiving stations on the ground, pick this up and decode it
[11:01] <GW8RAK> GPS signals are sent to a flight computer (single chip) which extracts the data it needs, builds a data packet and this is output to a radio module
[11:01] <gonzo_> snap!
[11:01] <SamSilver__> 36km here we come
[11:02] <daveake__> woohoo
[11:02] <SUPAD> and receivers are free volounteers ?
[11:02] <GW8RAK> Yes, anyone with a suitable radio
[11:02] <gonzo_> yep, mostly radio hams
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[11:02] <SUPAD> very nice
[11:03] <SUPAD> thx for answers
[11:03] <SamSilver__> huh
[11:03] <GW8RAK> Doing a nice tour of the Kent coast daveake_
[11:04] <SUPAD> buzz is a unflying payload with parachute or will it glide back ?
[11:04] <SamSilver__> daveake__: getting close to a record?
[11:04] <GW8RAK> after balloon burst, it comes down on a parachute
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[11:04] <SUPAD> does anyone ever tried to glide back ?
[11:04] <gonzo_> is atlas3 the record to beat?
[11:05] <GW8RAK> Some people in the US have done it
[11:05] <gonzo_> 37k!
[11:05] <daveake__> 37km
[11:05] <daveake__> weeee
[11:05] <costyn> daveake__: nice! :)
[11:05] <gonzo_> are you going to wait to see it over french soil before getting on the rain dave?
[11:06] <x-f> picking up speed
[11:06] <daveake__> We'll just get the first train
[11:06] <daveake__> Just arrivinug there now
[11:07] <SUPAD> and other question : how does the path is anticipated ? with weather projection ?
[11:07] <gonzo_> board at folkestone?
[11:07] <SamSilver__> rate of climb is dropping off sharply
[11:07] <number10> all that computer kit and antennas - wonder if customs may be interested
[11:07] <daveake__> Think we overhot the exit when I was weastcvhing the screren
[11:07] <SamSilver__> anyone going to use the f word?
[11:07] <GW8RAK> SUPAD, yes, wind data at different altitudes
[11:07] <SUPAD> thx
[11:08] <daveake__> floaty float float?
[11:08] <SamSilver__> acent rate now way down
[11:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> someone call the polish hams...
[11:08] <daveake__> lol
[11:08] <GW8RAK> Landing site is moving now.
[11:08] <SamSilver__> hmmmm
[11:08] <costyn> my god... it's going so fast
[11:08] <SamSilver__> lol
[11:08] <daveake__> slight cock up 0on the navigation front
[11:08] <futurity> Getting a great signal now :)
[11:08] <LazyL-M0LEP> How're folks finding the signal? It's been fading lots here.
[11:08] Action: Upu_2E0UPU slaps fsphil
[11:08] <gonzo_> still strong here in dorset
[11:09] <SUPAD> i'm very impressed by your organisation !! :)
[11:09] <Upu_2E0UPU> its not great M0LEP
[11:09] <x-f> does it have a cutdown?
[11:09] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.645.240 ~ 355 shift
[11:09] <daveake__> nope
[11:09] <Upu_2E0UPU> 38k
[11:09] <gonzo_> 38093!
[11:09] <GW8RAK> SUPAD, many listeners are needed as inevitably something goes wrong with people's gear
[11:09] <daveake__> wow
[11:09] <gonzo_> hehe, got in even before the checksum upu!
[11:09] <x-f> wow
[11:10] <daveake__> :D
[11:10] <GW8RAK> moules and frites for lunch daveake_?
[11:10] <LazyL-M0LEP> Hmmm... It is off over the hill from here. I think that may be the trouble.
[11:10] <Upu_2E0UPU> ofc telemetry live as it happens :)
[11:10] <SUPAD> GW8RAK :))
[11:10] <LazyL-M0LEP> ...or at least a fair part of it.
[11:10] <GW8RAK> Into Belgium
[11:11] <Upu_2E0UPU> Yeah SUPAD anyone with a radio suitable tunes in, recieves the raw telemetry and uploads it to the centralised tracker
[11:11] <Upu_2E0UPU> actually signal from buzz is now stonger than its been all flight
[11:11] <SUPAD> omg, with a basic glider at 38km we could, theorically do 760km distance ! oO
[11:11] <Upu_2E0UPU> SUPAD apart from the fact its considered a UAV and therefore technically not allowed I think
[11:11] <GW8RAK> Very difficult to do. The thin atmosphere means things don't glide well until the atmosphere thickens
[11:12] <SUPAD> it's not allowed ??
[11:12] <SUPAD> GW8RAK: how far is a suitable glide atmo ?
[11:12] <costyn> I think I hear it! very faint, only using a whip and indoors :)
[11:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> UAV's aren't permitted or something not totally up on it
[11:12] <Darkside> 39km!
[11:12] <daveake__> 39km !!
[11:12] <Darkside> burstburtsburst
[11:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol
[11:12] <Darkside> >_>
[11:12] <number10> eveil
[11:12] Action: Upu_2E0UPU slaps Darkside
[11:13] <number10> -e
[11:13] <Upu_2E0UPU> your record is for the taking Mr Side
[11:13] <Darkside> bah, my record has already been beat by some US guys
[11:13] <gonzo_> no still going!
[11:13] <GW8RAK> Don't know SUPAD, but the US team released their glider relatively low
[11:13] <Upu_2E0UPU> we need to claim it back for Queen Elizabeth and the realm
[11:13] <daveake__> Darkside "burstburstburst" LOL
[11:13] <Darkside> Upu_2E0UPU: 41km
[11:13] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah
[11:13] <Darkside> 41.5 or something was the US reord
[11:13] <Upu_2E0UPU> someone needs to grow some and use hydrogen :)
[11:14] <SUPAD> yeah but US are cheater. don't know how they did but they did. :p
[11:14] <GW8RAK> The cut down could be spectacular :)
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[11:15] <costyn> what's the dial reading now?
[11:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.646.390
[11:15] <GW8RAK> SUPAD http://members.shaw.ca/sonde/
[11:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> 355 shift
[11:16] <Upu_2E0UPU> Well thats impressive
[11:16] <SUPAD> GW8RAK: thx, i saw this one couple days ago, but it's about 9 yr old
[11:16] <Upu_2E0UPU> you just beat Bello Mondo's 2000g Hwoyee altitude
[11:16] <Upu_2E0UPU> 2nd highest UK flight
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[11:16] <SUPAD> it's nice experience but not technical enough, since everything changed
[11:16] <GW8RAK> Only one I know of
[11:16] <gonzo_> 40k
[11:16] <LazyL-M0LEP> ;)
[11:16] <Upu_2E0UPU> and 40k
[11:16] <gonzo_> beat you that time
[11:16] <Upu_2E0UPU> 500 meters Darkside
[11:16] <Upu_2E0UPU> go buzz go buzz
[11:16] <daveake__> I'd like to thank my wife, the cats .....
[11:17] <SUPAD> so far i think i'll go for an ARDUMEga autopilot and i haven't found any xp on it as nearcraft
[11:17] <GW8RAK> is it still a British record if it is over French territorial waters?
[11:17] <Darkside> yup
[11:17] <costyn> Upu_2E0UPU: the shift is for use in dlfldigi right?
[11:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> yes
[11:17] <daveake__> 40km woohoo
[11:17] <Darkside> is there a camera on this?
[11:17] <SUPAD> GW8RAK: since i'm french, NO, it's french of course. :p
[11:17] <daveake__> no camera
[11:17] <GW8RAK> How high did you get Darkside?
[11:17] <Darkside> 40575
[11:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> Horus 15.5 - 40575 m (133120 ft)
[11:17] <GW8RAK> SUPAD lol
[11:17] <SUPAD> NO CAMERA ? :((
[11:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> not all lauches have cameras
[11:18] <daveake__> too heavy for a good one
[11:18] <GW8RAK> Getting worried Darkside?
[11:18] <Darkside> yup
[11:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> well I think the question of which is going to burst first HADIE or BUZZ is pretty much answered
[11:18] <daveake__> lol
[11:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> ascent slowing down
[11:18] <M1ELR> Will you have GPRS/3G in France DaveAKA?
[11:19] <costyn> M1ELR: very expensive gprs :P
[11:19] <daveake__> Customs asked "why all the aerials on the roof?" LOL
[11:19] <costyn> daveake__: :)
[11:19] <GW8RAK> And did they believe you?
[11:19] <Upu_2E0UPU> just tell them you're UFO hunting
[11:19] <daveake__> yes
[11:20] <Darkside> looks liek you're going into belgium daveake__
[11:20] <costyn> my god...224 km/h
[11:20] <SUPAD> little question : how come u all are UK and still use CORRECT mesurement with metric system ? :)
[11:20] <GW8RAK> Wow, my first bit of RTTY
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[11:20] <GW8RAK> Because we are not stupid SUPAD!
[11:21] <GW8RAK> :)
[11:21] <futurity> SUPAD: its the USA that use our old imperial system
[11:21] <M1ELR> Not many stations in France so if no data from Chase car Buzz may vanish from our screens.
[11:21] <costyn> SUPAD: this is science, and science uses metric :)
[11:21] <SUPAD> but u are english !! :p
[11:21] <daveake__> not france then lol
[11:21] <x-f> and not all of people here are from UK!
[11:21] <number10> beat Darkside yea :P #1
[11:21] <Upu_2E0UPU> UK record.. condolences Darkside congrats daveake__
[11:21] <number10> #
[11:21] <Darkside> aww
[11:21] <fsphil-laptop> hi guys, I've just launched
[11:21] <Upu_2E0UPU> right go Buzz take down those dang yanks
[11:22] <Darkside> rats daveake__
[11:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> about time fsphil you slacker
[11:22] <costyn> Dutch-Mill_ is picking it up too I see. my setup is not yet ready unfortunately; have to route the coax from the roof to my living room which is going to be a bit of a challenge
[11:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> we've been beating records here
[11:22] <daveake__> Darkside lol
[11:22] <fsphil-laptop> just spotted that
[11:22] <GW8RAK> Come on Phil, you've got an altitude record to beat
[11:22] <GW8RAK> Did someone tell the americans about the altitude attempt?
[11:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> right lets see when I need to set off
[11:22] <number10> daveake - did you get your russian visa?
[11:22] <daveake__> nope
[11:22] <GW8RAK> Won't be allowed otherwise
[11:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> no but we can argue it
[11:22] <daveake__> lol
[11:23] <number10> bottle of vodka please
[11:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> stuff them we'll just kick off like last time and cause a huge drama
[11:23] <Darkside> ack my internet is breaking
[11:23] <GW8RAK> lol
[11:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> fsphil can I get a current prediction for Hadie whats the expected burst
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[11:23] <Darkside> spacenearus isnt updating
[11:24] <gonzo_> assume proplr this side have phone numbers for you dave?
[11:24] <GW8RAK> Retuning to you now fsphil-laptop
[11:24] <fsphil-laptop> Upu_2E0UPU, about 31km
[11:24] <gonzo_> to text the locations
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[11:24] <daveake__> phone 07850 586430
[11:24] <fsphil-laptop> just trying to get my home station setup
[11:24] <daveake__> should be online t'other side
[11:24] <gonzo_> good move
[11:25] <Darkside> Lester_: the register lester?
[11:25] <SUPAD> the bad luck would be to land on a city right ?
[11:25] <Upu_2E0UPU> 1.8m/s fsphil ?
[11:26] <fsphil-laptop> holy crap, 41knj
[11:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> wobble
[11:26] <fsphil-laptop> it is?
[11:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> burst ?
[11:26] <fsphil-laptop> uh-oh
[11:26] <gonzo_> freq doing a bit of a wobble there
[11:26] <LazyL-M0LEP> Oh... that Hadie prediction's.... interesting...
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[11:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> is that a burst ?
[11:26] <Dutch-Mill_> burst?
[11:26] <fsphil-laptop> north sea? :)
[11:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> will check in a sec
[11:26] <gonzo_> rgr butsr
[11:26] <futurity> Signal wobbling all over the place
[11:26] <gonzo_> burst
[11:26] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[11:26] <LazyL-M0LEP> Yep, burst and descending
[11:26] <Dutch-Mill_> signal is fading...
[11:26] <daveake__> burst
[11:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> burst
[11:26] <fsphil-laptop> that's an amazing altitude
[11:26] <gonzo_> congrats
[11:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> impressive
[11:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> right hadie
[11:27] <daveake__> cheers
[11:27] <Upu_2E0UPU> running a prediction
[11:27] <chembrow_droid> Who burst?
[11:27] <daveake__> me
[11:27] <Darkside> daveake__: grats again on beating my record :-)
[11:27] <SUPAD> !! the prevision just changed for germlany ?!
[11:27] <daveake__> It's back in British hands at last :p
[11:27] <costyn> daveake__: awesome... congrats on the impressive alti
[11:27] <SUPAD> back to belgium... weird
[11:28] <costyn> daveake__: you still have quite a drive ahead of you hehe
[11:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> haha
[11:28] <daveake__> yep
[11:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> sorry
[11:28] <futurity> Does anyone have a signal / frequency. it seems to have totally disappeared for me
[11:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> HAHAHA
[11:28] <daveake__> But first I need a PEEEEEEE
[11:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=183dbaa14937a4b87de91fca6802ab6ecc447cde
[11:28] <gonzo_> still txing
[11:28] <costyn> SUPAD: it depends on the descent rate... which changes a lot and so then does the prediction
[11:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> I'll track it from here fsphil :)
[11:28] <gonzo_> rapod qsb
[11:28] <gonzo_> rapid
[11:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> that is spinning alot
[11:29] <SUPAD> costyn: thx
[11:29] <SamSilver__> pop
[11:29] <LazyL-M0LEP> There was an incomplete line reporting 41008 here, but nowt complete... :/
[11:29] <futurity> 434.6493
[11:29] <SamSilver__> pop
[11:29] <GW8RAK> fsphil, what has happened to your prediction? Thought it was coming down in the North Pennines?
[11:29] <SUPAD> 40m/s fall !!! really no air up there :)
[11:29] <SamSilver__> looks like it is on the way down
[11:29] <Dutch-Mill_> fee fall?
[11:29] <gonzo_> rgr saw 41008 max here too
[11:29] <Darkside> it was doing 70m/s bnefore
[11:29] <daveake__> We're about to board so I'm relying on you guys for a landing spot prediction :)
[11:29] <LazyL-M0LEP> Now spinning horribly....
[11:30] <costyn> I even saw 103 m/s at one moment
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[11:30] <gonzo_> as long as we org between ourselves who will send the text. Or you will get swamped
[11:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> I've lost buzz
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[11:31] <SUPAD> 40.9km ... amazing ...
[11:32] <Upu_2E0UPU> anyone got a dial on Buzz I just lost it
[11:32] <gonzo_> qsb rate slowing
[11:32] <futurity> Nope, i though i had a minute ago, but now nothing
[11:32] <gonzo_> must be stabilising on chute
[11:32] <Rob_M0DTS> .645
[11:33] <Dutch-Mill_> .645.530
[11:33] <Upu_2E0UPU> We're going to need OT1SKY on for Hadie
[11:33] <Darkside> night all, need to get up early for hike tmorrow
[11:33] <SUPAD> goodnight
[11:34] <Upu_2E0UPU> night
[11:34] <futurity> Night
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[11:34] <Upu_2E0UPU> I can't here it so retuning for HADIE
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[11:34] <Dutch-Mill_> lost signal overhere
[11:35] <gonzo_> still traces here
[11:35] <Upu_2E0UPU> Is Hadie 300 baud ?
[11:35] <LazyL-M0LEP> Yes
[11:35] <Upu_2E0UPU> oh yay
[11:36] <LazyL-M0LEP> The payload will be transmitting on approx. 434.075 Mhz USB, RTTY, 300 baud, 8n2, 350Hz shift. Both image data and tracking strings are transmitted on the same frequency.
[11:36] <daveake__> Anyone still have Buzz?
[11:36] <Rob_M0DTS> buzz vy weak here
[11:36] <Upu_2E0UPU> anyone got OT1SKY's details ?
[11:36] <LazyL-M0LEP> Can see it on the waterfall, but it's spinning and hard to decode.
[11:36] <daveake__> ok
[11:37] <SUPAD> daveake__: u're on the train ?
[11:37] <daveake__> Obviously the lower it is when the last reading comes in, the better chance of finding it
[11:37] <daveake__> Yes, on the train
[11:37] <Rob_M0DTS> OZ1SKY.. probably email on qrz.com
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[11:37] <SUPAD> their is gsm service in the tunel ? oO
[11:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> ah OZ1
[11:37] <daveake__> I'll get online after. If there's a goodish position/prediction we'll go there. Otherwise we're lunching in Bruges :)
[11:38] <daveake__> no gsm!
[11:38] <SUPAD> k
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[11:40] <LazyL-M0LEP> Last landing prediction showing on map is near Deinze, but there's not been a fix for 10 minutes
[11:40] <daveake__> Not good.
[11:40] <daveake__> But worth the loss D:
[11:40] <daveake__> :D
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[11:41] <number10> still hear it but spinning
[11:41] <gonzo_> I'm still seeing feignt traces but far too weak for decoe
[11:41] <daveake__> ok, ta
[11:42] <LazyL-M0LEP> Yeah, spinning too fast to get a clear byte at the data...
[11:42] <LazyL-M0LEP> May get better once the chute starts to get thicker air?
[11:42] <daveake__> yes, hopefully
[11:43] <number10> is it one of those tiny chutes?
[11:43] <daveake__> 30"
[11:43] <SUPAD> daveake__: u got what's needed to track it on u're car ?
[11:43] <daveake__> One of steve's finest :)
[11:43] <number10> :)
[11:43] <LazyL-M0LEP> Good long lines?
[11:43] <daveake__> Yes, but it will have landed so I'll need a position to go to
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[11:44] <SUPAD> k
[11:44] <daveake__> 5m + 10m
[11:44] <daveake__> SUPAD once landed you need to be within a small number of km
[11:44] <daveake__> I have a yagi which helps a lot
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[11:45] <daveake__> But really, if I lose it, it' no big deal
[11:45] <daveake__> Used electronics; no cameras
[11:45] <SUPAD> yagi ? some kind of detector ?
[11:45] <daveake__> like a tv aerial
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[11:46] <SUPAD> ok
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[11:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/live
[11:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> live images from Hadi
[11:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> e
[11:49] <gonzo_> looking like a TV aerial, but not actually one for tv
[11:49] <SUPAD> nice :)
[11:49] <gonzo_> lost buzz will listen for hadie
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[11:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> not heard Hadie yet but I don't do so well with launches from NI
[11:52] <GW8RAK> Nothing yet. Can normally hear something as the horizon gets to me
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[11:54] <Upu_2E0UPU> you should be the first person to get it GW8RAK
[11:54] <LazyL-M0LEP> Lost all trace of Buzz. :/
[11:54] <GW8RAK> Should be here by now. Got the preamp on, but 300 baud is much weaker than 50
[11:55] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah I don't like it
[11:55] <Upu_2E0UPU> fsphil do you have a dial frequency ?
[11:55] <GW8RAK> (Has been outside to check aerial is still erect despite the strong winds)
[11:56] <Upu_2E0UPU> hmm good point it was a bit wild the other night
[11:56] <Upu_2E0UPU> I assume it sstill up
[11:56] <GW8RAK> We have a clear take off with no obstructions from here to the balloon track so should get it well
[11:57] <LazyL-M0LEP> Last dial position for BUZZ was somewhere round 434.645
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[11:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.072.50 there is something aroudn the 2000Hz marker
[11:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> but it may be local
[11:58] <LazyL-M0LEP> Last predicted landing (at 11:31) was 50.9807, 3.51976 at 12:19 UTC
[11:59] <GW8RAK> Listening on .075 but nothing identifiable
[11:59] <Upu_2E0UPU> Graham try 434.076.90
[11:59] <Upu_2E0UPU> is that it ?
[11:59] <SUPAD> how come there is no antenna in fr or be ?
[11:59] <Upu_2E0UPU> damn QRM
[11:59] <Upu_2E0UPU> just wiped me out totally
[12:00] <GW8RAK> Nothing Upu
[12:00] <GW8RAK> No listeners there SUPAD
[12:00] <SUPAD> GW8RAK: yeah, but why ? it's expansive stuff ?
[12:00] <GW8RAK> the images are nice and strong, so payload is working.
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[12:01] <LazyL-M0LEP> Dutch-Mill_ might stand a chance?
[12:01] <GW8RAK> Supad, £100 gets a radio and aerial. Perhaps not much interest
[12:02] <SUPAD> that's quite a lot for casual use indeed, thx
[12:03] <gonzo_> but many radio amateurs have the kit already
[12:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> We have a friendly HAM in Denmark
[12:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> not online atm
[12:04] Action: fsphil is home
[12:05] <LazyL-M0LEP> Wonder when daveake will re-appear?
[12:05] <fsphil> 2m/s ascent lol
[12:05] <fsphil> oops
[12:05] <fsphil> slightly underdone
[12:06] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah lol
[12:06] <fsphil> lovely picture of the irish sea coming down now
[12:06] <Upu_2E0UPU> so much for me picking it up
[12:06] <LazyL-M0LEP> Vanished at 11:53. 35 minutes to get under the Channel, so 12:28...
[12:06] <LazyL-M0LEP> Hmmm... Well after predicted landing time.
[12:07] <Rob_M0DTS> massive QRM here too from 433-436
[12:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> nothing yet Rob ?
[12:07] <GW8RAK> What is the signal strength like at yours fsphil?
[12:07] <fsphil> it's still quite fair GW8RAK
[12:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> it was 434.077.240 from fsphil position
[12:07] <Rob_M0DTS> S9 qrm turned on abt 10min ago.. have had it before but rare...might be no-go from home.
[12:07] <fsphil> I'm using the colinear at home at the moment
[12:07] <GW8RAK> Just nothing at all here.
[12:08] <fsphil> so at least I can say the antenna is working fine
[12:08] <fsphil> I think the low altitude is what's stopping anyone else get it yet
[12:08] <Rob_M0DTS> good!
[12:08] <fsphil> lol Rob_M0DTS
[12:08] <fsphil> yea I learned that lesson :)
[12:08] <GW8RAK> Line of sight from here unless Snaefell is getting in the way
[12:08] <fsphil> Upu_2E0UPU, looks like it's going to fly directly over you
[12:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> I'm going to get the air pistol out
[12:09] <fsphil> please do lol
[12:09] <GW8RAK> Or binoculars
[12:09] <fsphil> dial is at 434.077.240
[12:09] <Upu_2E0UPU> take that you late launching slow ascending bstard!
[12:09] <fsphil> and the signal is right up near the top
[12:09] <fsphil> +1980hz
[12:09] <fsphil> lol
[12:09] <fsphil> I was ready early for once, it was the other guys
[12:09] <Upu_2E0UPU> raining and cloudy here so don't think binoculars would help
[12:10] <fsphil> radio just retuned, 434.077.740
[12:10] <Rob_M0DTS> sunny here ;-)
[12:10] <fsphil> sunny here now, but it's _freezing_
[12:10] <Rob_M0DTS> true
[12:10] <Upu_2E0UPU> GW8RAK try 434.078.00
[12:11] <GW8RAK> Listening there now
[12:11] <Upu_2E0UPU> I see what looks like a signal
[12:11] <Upu_2E0UPU> but so much QRM
[12:11] <GW8RAK> Phil's figures suggest .7920 is tx frequency
[12:11] <Upu_2E0UPU> and shift isn't 300
[12:11] <fsphil> it's 350hz
[12:11] <Upu_2E0UPU> thats what I meant
[12:12] <fsphil> it's pretty near that on my waterfall
[12:12] <fsphil> getting some qrm myself now
[12:13] <Upu_2E0UPU> check that last picture
[12:13] <Upu_2E0UPU> blue :)
[12:13] <fsphil> it's over the wet stuff :)
[12:13] <fsphil> might see the isle of man if it takes one in the right direction
[12:13] <Upu_2E0UPU> noticed image 0x16
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[12:13] <Upu_2E0UPU> is that the sun making the black pixels
[12:13] <fsphil> it is
[12:13] <fsphil> image 0x14 too
[12:14] <Upu_2E0UPU> this is purely 300 baud no 50 baud telemetry ?
[12:14] <fsphil> yep
[12:14] <fsphil> continuous 300 baud, no gaps at all
[12:16] <fsphil> it's 120km away from me now
[12:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> well not hearing squat here yet
[12:17] <GW8RAK> Just about hearing odd snatches of RTTY now.
[12:17] <GW8RAK> But listen to white noise enough and you can hear Elvis
[12:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol
[12:17] <futurity> 434.0793?
[12:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah I know exactly what you mean
[12:17] <fsphil> it does lol
[12:18] <fsphil> 434.0777
[12:18] <fsphil> +1700hz
[12:18] <fsphil> on the waterfall
[12:18] <GW8RAK> .0783
[12:19] <GW8RAK> Nice pictures
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[12:20] <daveake> Ah, France :)
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[12:20] <daveake> Was there any update from Buzz?
[12:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> none daveake
[12:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> we lost it just after you went into the tunnel
[12:21] <futurity> I take it we can't decode Hadie with dl-fldigi?
[12:21] <daveake> :(
[12:21] <GW8RAK> Can decode data okay
[12:21] <daveake> Oh well, off to Bruge for waffles and beer then
[12:21] <Upu_2E0UPU> futurity you need a beta version
[12:21] <Upu_2E0UPU> enjoy daveake!
[12:21] <futurity> oh i see
[12:21] <Upu_2E0UPU> which ..
[12:21] <futurity> where can i download the Windows version of that?
[12:21] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/files/dl-fldigi-3.21.13-fsphil-github-20110908b_setup.exe
[12:22] <daveake> Predicted landing spot?
[12:22] <futurity> will it just install over the top of the old installed version?
[12:22] <GW8RAK> Beginning to think I have a problem with the receiver here. Hadie is about halfway from me to Phil and I'm hearing nothing
[12:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> 1 sec daveake someone posted it searching back
[12:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> GW8RAK I can't hear it either
[12:22] <daveake> ta
[12:23] <gonzo_> last from the tracket page:
[12:23] <gonzo_> Predicted Landing
[12:23] <gonzo_> 50.9807, 3.51976 at 12:19 UTC
[12:23] <GW8RAK> That link gives me a page of garbage.
[12:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> [11:40] <LazyL-M0LEP> Last landing prediction showing on map is near Deinze, but there's not been a fix for 10 minutes
[12:24] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah web server doesn't do it properly for some reason
[12:24] <Upu_2E0UPU> just use wget ?
[12:24] <Upu_2E0UPU> hang on
[12:24] <GW8RAK> Lost me now
[12:24] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/dl-fldigi-3.21.13-fsphil-github-20110908b_setup.exe
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[12:25] <Upu_2E0UPU> try that
[12:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> I remember last time fsphil launched I thought there was something up with my setup
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[12:27] <Rob_M0DTS> now in business, qrm gone and Hadie fair signal.
[12:27] <fsphil> it's speeding up
[12:28] <mattltm> anyone have the freq for BUZZ?
[12:28] <futurity> thanks for the exe, all loaded and in Hadie flight. Looks like 4 evenly spaced lines on the waterfall, each one pulsating on and off
[12:28] <futurity> no decoding though
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[12:29] <Upu_2E0UPU> what frequency Rob_M0DTS ?
[12:29] <Rob_M0DTS> 079
[12:29] <daveake> dodgy 3g ... Upu_2E0UPU - did you find the prediction for me?
[12:29] <fsphil> futurity, it's standard rtty
[12:29] <fsphil> any version should decode the telemetry, the new version is for the images
[12:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> [12:23] <gonzo_> 50.9807, 3.51976 at 12:19 UTC
[12:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> [11:40] <LazyL-M0LEP> Last landing prediction showing on map is near Deinze, but there's not been a fix for 10 minutes
[12:30] <GW8RAK> Absolutely nothing :(
[12:30] <Rob_M0DTS> images working with new version too.
[12:30] <daveake> ok ta
[12:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> Yeah I see it on 434.079
[12:30] <fsphil> definitely a fault there GW8RAK? :/
[12:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> but thats not decoding
[12:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> far too weak atm
[12:30] <fsphil> signal still fair here
[12:30] <fsphil> starting to get some corrections on the image packets
[12:30] <GW8RAK> Will listen on another rig and see what happens
[12:31] <Upu_2E0UPU> just the constant QRM here, I doubt I'll get any packets
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[12:32] <Rob_M0DTS> didnt last my qrm is back
[12:33] <Upu_2E0UPU> oh yeah I see it now
[12:33] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.078
[12:33] <fsphil> signal starting to fade here
[12:34] <Upu_2E0UPU> I suspect this is when a Yagi would be useful
[12:34] <fsphil> yea
[12:34] <fsphil> I'm not well placed at home, and I doubt I'd get to the mountain in time
[12:34] <fsphil> I so need that roof rotator yagi setup
[12:35] <Upu_2E0UPU> getting slowly stronger
[12:36] <fsphil> I'm struggling to decode now
[12:36] <Upu_2E0UPU> just starting to get it here
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[12:36] <Moomean> Ping?
[12:37] <fsphil> pong!
[12:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> failed no route to host
[12:37] <Moomean> :D
[12:37] <Moomean> Hello there
[12:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> afternoon
[12:37] <Moomean> Can we track our ballon using Your tracker? :)
[12:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> don't see why not
[12:38] <fsphil> just above 10km now
[12:38] <Upu_2E0UPU> where are you located and where are you launching from ?
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[12:38] <Moomean> We're launching on Tuesday from Poland
[12:38] <Upu_2E0UPU> ok
[12:38] <Moomean> and we have a compatible RTTY module
[12:38] <Upu_2E0UPU> is your telemetry compatable ?
[12:38] <Upu_2E0UPU> compatible ?
[12:38] <Moomean> we will make it compatible
[12:39] <Moomean> we have a working RTTY at 50 baud
[12:39] <Upu_2E0UPU> once its compatible just make a flight document and we'll get it on there
[12:39] <Moomean> is there a template for a fliught document ?
[12:39] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah 1 sec
[12:39] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://habhub.org/genpayload/.
[12:39] <Upu_2E0UPU> just pastebin the result back here
[12:40] <Moomean> :D
[12:40] <futurity> Upu: i have the new version installed, running it, refreshed payload data, selected HADIE, but still the four lines in the waterfall
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[12:40] <Upu_2E0UPU> $$HADIE,1547,12:40:24,54.049275--3.6756'6,1393,1,12,?*6879
[12:40] <fsphil> that could just be local noise futurity
[12:40] <Upu_2E0UPU> local noise
[12:40] <Upu_2E0UPU> is the SSTV stuff automatic ?
[12:41] <Upu_2E0UPU> ok getting it now
[12:41] <fsphil> it will decode and upload automatically
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[12:41] <Upu_2E0UPU> ok nothing appearing int he window
[12:41] <fsphil> but you have to open the window manually
[12:41] <futurity> Where it would normally have RTTY, it now has BPSK31. is this right?
[12:41] Nick change: G8DSU_ -> G8DSU
[12:41] <GW8RAK> Very strange. It's coming through now.
[12:41] <Upu_2E0UPU> oh
[12:41] <Upu_2E0UPU> I got a an SSTV packet :)
[12:41] <fsphil> view->ssdv
[12:41] <GW8RAK> Can hear it better in the kitchen with the whip aerial than on the main set.
[12:41] <fsphil> lol
[12:41] <fsphil> that is .. odd
[12:41] <GW8RAK> Think I've got a bad aerial connection somewhere
[12:42] <fsphil> ooh I see blue Upu_2E0UPU
[12:42] <Upu_2E0UPU> ok I have to go munch food
[12:42] <costyn> Moomean: you have local people to listen in with the radio? will be useful to have some Polish tracker contacts in the future for when balloons float over Poland again :)
[12:42] <GW8RAK> But nothing has changed or moved since last week
[12:42] <fsphil> food being prepared here too
[12:42] <Upu_2E0UPU> yup tis is coming in nicely now
[12:42] <fsphil> got a location, yay
[12:42] <Upu_2E0UPU> 10k...
[12:42] <fsphil> 10.7km
[12:42] <fsphil> like a snail
[12:42] <fsphil> lol
[12:42] <fsphil> this could make it to holland
[12:43] <fsphil> </wishful thinking?
[12:43] <costyn> fsphil: :)
[12:43] <fsphil> got the car ready costyn ? :)
[12:43] <Rob_M0DTS> u never know.. float?
[12:43] <fsphil> the ascent rate is picking up
[12:43] <fsphil> 2.8m/s
[12:43] <costyn> fsphil: sure, I'm ready to go! :)
[12:43] <fsphil> not sure if that's slow enough for a float
[12:43] <costyn> I've even got a radio these days, although no yagi yet
[12:44] <fsphil> aah you're decoding now too Rob_M0DTS
[12:44] <GW8RAK> Decoding now
[12:44] <GW8RAK> How frustrating
[12:44] <fsphil> I've lost it totally now
[12:44] <Rob_M0DTS> yeah, i've pointed beam to null the interference but 30deg off direct heading!
[12:44] <fsphil> lol
[12:44] <fsphil> cunning
[12:45] <Rob_M0DTS> lovely bubbly clouds there
[12:45] <fsphil> it's heading further south than expected
[12:45] <fsphil> I should have made a cut-down, I could have landed it directly on Upu_2E0UPU :)
[12:46] <fsphil> that is a nice picture
[12:47] <fsphil> oooh dark sky
[12:47] <GW8RAK> Well it's working now
[12:48] <fsphil> the big antenna?
[12:49] <GW8RAK> This is just on the colinear, but it looks like the problem is the connector where it comes into the shack.
[12:49] <fsphil> I'm still getting fragments of text on the colinear
[12:49] <fsphil> brb, food
[12:50] <GW8RAK> Getting some deep nulls in the signal
[12:50] <GW8RAK> Peaking S7 then dropping to S4
[12:50] <costyn> so what happened to Buzz? it just cut out on descent?
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[12:51] <Lunar_Lander> good afternoon
[12:52] <GW8RAK> Hi Kevin
[12:53] <Lunar_Lander> it's worrying to read in the formalization thread
[12:53] <Lunar_Lander> there is a model flyer club in germany too
[12:53] <Lunar_Lander> they said "No drones and balloons that we can insure"
[12:54] <GW8RAK> Can hear Hadie in the shack on the scanner with the whip no extended.
[12:54] <GW8RAK> Same situation over here Kevin
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[12:55] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[12:55] <Lunar_Lander> whoo what a picture on spacenear!
[12:55] <Lunar_Lander> and dave surpassed the 40000 mark
[12:55] <Lunar_Lander> congratulations
[12:55] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[12:55] <GW8RAK> Have a look at http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/live
[12:55] <GW8RAK> No image data now, just positional
[12:56] <Upu_2E0UPU> this should have so had a cut away on it
[12:56] <LazyL-M0LEP> costyn: It was spinning wildly on descent, and was therefore difficult to decode.
[12:56] <Upu_2E0UPU> fire it so it lands on my house
[12:56] <GW8RAK> If UAV's were allowed.....
[12:56] <Upu_2E0UPU> oh you already said that :)
[12:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> getting SSTV and data
[12:57] <NigelMoby> who's balloon is where? I can't load the tracker...
[12:57] <Lunar_Lander> NigelMoby: dave is over the channel
[12:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> HADIE is over the english coast
[12:58] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[12:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> Lunar_Lander thats down now
[12:58] <NigelMoby> Schweet
[12:58] <Moomean> Upu_2E0UPU: I'll finish the protocol, fill that form and write You back
[12:58] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[12:58] <LazyL-M0LEP> Buzz is probably somewhere in Belgium, maybe.
[12:58] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[12:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> roger Moomean
[12:58] <costyn> LazyL-M0LEP: thx
[12:58] <Lunar_Lander> and Dave seems to drive to Dover for getting across
[12:58] <Lunar_Lander> or so
[12:58] <number10> just told the missus how much M0DTS rig cost - I think she hopes I fail
[12:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> he's in france
[12:59] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[12:59] <Rob_M0DTS> i saved up for 3 years!
[12:59] <Upu_2E0UPU> Which rig have you got Rob_M0DTS ?
[12:59] <Rob_M0DTS> Kenwood TS-2000X
[12:59] <NigelMoby> dial freq for hadie?
[12:59] <Upu_2E0UPU> and a 25 element Yagi ?
[13:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.079
[13:00] <Rob_M0DTS> yes
[13:00] <number10> I think she does not want me to spend the money no matter how long I save :(
[13:00] <NigelMoby> Ta upu
[13:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> I suspect this may have more to do with the Yagi :)
[13:00] <Rob_M0DTS> it does and mast preamp
[13:00] <Lunar_Lander> my lab is complete now btew
[13:00] <Lunar_Lander> *btw
[13:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah that will help
[13:00] <Lunar_Lander> to my right is a IBM ThinkCentre with an acer screen and logitech input equipment
[13:01] <Lunar_Lander> Win 7 installed and runs Arduino 1.0 now :)
[13:01] <Upu_2E0UPU> Is your Yagi on an AZ/EL rotator ?
[13:01] <fsphil> I is fed
[13:01] <fsphil> wow, over land
[13:01] <Upu_2E0UPU> me too
[13:01] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah coming right at me
[13:01] <Rob_M0DTS> just AZ, ELevation rotor too heavy with all the antennas!
[13:01] <Upu_2E0UPU> ok
[13:02] <Upu_2E0UPU> just a single Yagi or stacked ?
[13:02] <GW8RAK> What is different this time with the SSDV fsphil? they've never been this good
[13:02] <Upu_2E0UPU> 0x20 is superb
[13:02] <Rob_M0DTS> single yagi, have 4 off the same but only one up.. windy times...
[13:03] <fsphil> GW8RAK, exactly the same setup as hadie:3
[13:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> indeed
[13:03] <fsphil> infact it's the very same board and camera
[13:03] <GW8RAK> Strange.
[13:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> fading
[13:03] <Lunar_Lander> 0x21 you mean Upu_2E0UPU?
[13:03] <fsphil> 0x20 is the best so far
[13:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> yes 0x20
[13:03] <fsphil> lovely shadows on the cloud
[13:03] <fsphil> 0x1F would have been amazing
[13:04] <fsphil> nearly 14km, ascent rate seems variable
[13:04] <fsphil> I wonder if it's just spacenear.us working that out wrong
[13:04] <fsphil> varies between 2 and 3m/s
[13:04] <futurity> ok i'm starting to see 2 distinct bands on the waterfall, but BPSK31 is two very narrow lines
[13:04] <fsphil> futurity, it's rtty
[13:05] <futurity> looks like a shift of 300+ HZ between them
[13:05] <Lunar_Lander> http://s.gullipics.com/image/d/q/j/5ztr0p-jy34hz-v84l/img.png
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[13:05] <Lunar_Lander> my 0x20 looks like there
[13:05] <Lunar_Lander> on that screenshot
[13:05] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander, refresh the page
[13:05] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[13:05] <fsphil> silly sun is getting in the way of most of them
[13:06] <Upu_2E0UPU> pesky sun
[13:06] <fsphil> yay, 14km
[13:06] <fsphil> it should have been 30km at this point
[13:06] <number10> strange - I am decodimg image packets but not location string
[13:06] <fsphil> no way this is landing on the ground
[13:06] <futurity> fsphil: thanks, that makes sense, although just getting random chars
[13:06] <Lunar_Lander> after refreshing http://s.gullipics.com/image/v/3/n/5ztr0p-jy35jf-qnx9/img.png
[13:06] <fsphil> number10, the image data has error correction
[13:06] <number10> aha
[13:06] <fsphil> odd Lunar_Lander
[13:06] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[13:06] <Lunar_Lander> NoScript allows your page
[13:07] <fsphil> do you have something caching the images? like a proxy?
[13:07] <Lunar_Lander> no
[13:07] <Lunar_Lander> I just have ubuntu and firefox
[13:07] <Lunar_Lander> with Adblock Plus and noscript and I allowed your page in the latter one
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[13:08] <Lunar_Lander> let me try to clear the FF cache
[13:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> funnily enough the signal is getting quite strong now
[13:09] <NigelMoby> Wat time did u launch Phil?
[13:09] <fsphil> late :)
[13:09] <NigelMoby> lol bill time eh
[13:09] <Lunar_Lander> no clearing the cache didn't work either
[13:09] <futurity> Freq: 434.0805, shift 300Hz?
[13:09] <fsphil> not sure exactly, about 10:20?
[13:09] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.079
[13:09] <fsphil> futurity, 350hz shift -- if you select hadie in the drop-down and press autoconfigure it should set it all right
[13:09] <Lunar_Lander> I don't know what it is, but I'd rule out malware stuff (cause of Linux should be safe)
[13:10] <NigelMoby> ah that's almost on time :)
[13:10] <fsphil> launching that balloon as the most difficult
[13:10] <fsphil> we got wet, and the wind nearly had it in the trees a few times
[13:10] <fsphil> also got covered in the powder they use on them
[13:10] <NigelMoby> Eek, wind is howling here today.
[13:11] <Upu_2E0UPU> 15k
[13:11] <fsphil> no video of the launch :( forgot to put an SD card into the camera
[13:11] <Lunar_Lander> ohhh!
[13:11] <fsphil> the only thing I forgot
[13:11] <NigelMoby> lol numpty!!
[13:11] <fsphil> friend took some pictures though
[13:11] <fsphil> will get them of him later
[13:12] <fsphil> 3.8m/s ascent?
[13:12] <NigelMoby> 15k ...
[13:12] <fsphil> that's quite fast
[13:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> odd the ascent rate is changing so much
[13:12] <fsphil> ooh dark sky
[13:12] <fsphil> yea I don't understand that at all
[13:12] <NigelMoby> and u launched 3 hours ago...
[13:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> yup
[13:12] <NigelMoby> that's....slow....
[13:13] <fsphil> 11:20, sorry
[13:13] <fsphil> we where an hour later?
[13:13] <fsphil> late?
[13:13] <NigelMoby> Ohh
[13:13] <fsphil> it didn't seem that long
[13:13] <Rob_M0DTS> nice pic coming in
[13:13] <NigelMoby> might get a floated Phil lol
[13:13] <NigelMoby> floater*
[13:14] <fsphil> it might indeed
[13:14] <NigelMoby> upu u got ya swimming trunks?
[13:14] <fsphil> anyone got a boat? :)
[13:14] <Upu_2E0UPU> Yes but they only come out when its noticably warmer than it is here today
[13:14] <NigelMoby> I can get u a canoe.....
[13:14] <futurity> so for the shift setting, should the red lines sit directly over the most yellow lines on the waterfall? 350Hz shift puts them each side of the yellow lines
[13:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> 1 sec futurity
[13:15] <futurity> np
[13:15] <GW8RAK> Right hand red line over the right hand signal
[13:15] <NigelMoby> lol weather really is getting bad today.
[13:15] <GW8RAK> Sorry misunderstood
[13:15] <NigelMoby> hey graham.
[13:16] <Upu_2E0UPU> futurity http://imagebin.org/186780
[13:16] <GW8RAK> Hi Nigel
[13:16] <fsphil> that pic is looking east I think
[13:16] <fsphil> cloudy day over eastern england
[13:16] <Upu_2E0UPU> very wet here
[13:16] <futurity> i see, this is a wider set of yellow lines
[13:16] <Upu_2E0UPU> thats what 300 baud does
[13:16] <number10> send it this way - i'll get a better signal and the sky is clearer ;)
[13:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> had to turn the volume down
[13:17] <mattltm> I should be able to get Hadie but Ive got nothing!
[13:17] <mattltm> Whats the current freq?
[13:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.079
[13:17] <LazyL-M0LEP> Hmmm... The live images need the ?u=nn suffix in order to display anything other than the first incomplete version...
[13:17] <fsphil> LazyL-M0LEP, it does
[13:17] <fsphil> it adds the received packet count when reloading the image
[13:18] <fsphil> not when first loading the page though
[13:18] <fsphil> that might be the problem
[13:18] <fsphil> ooh that is a lovely pic
[13:18] <Lunar_Lander> hey Matt
[13:18] <Lunar_Lander> mattltm:
[13:18] <number10> is really good fsphil
[13:19] <LazyL-M0LEP> fsphil: Yes, with the earlier images it defaults to the image link with no ?u=nnn
[13:19] <futurity> is there a url to see the images as they come in?
[13:19] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/live
[13:19] <fsphil> LazyL-M0LEP, I'll see if I can fix that
[13:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> nice picture
[13:20] <NigelMoby> Oo 0x23 is a very nice pic Phil.
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[13:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> error correction is great
[13:22] <m1elr1> how do I get ssdv to work for habie?
[13:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> we should do this for telemetry packets...
[13:22] <NigelMoby> ecc?
[13:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> M1ELR you need a beta copy of dl-fldigit
[13:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/dl-fldigi-3.21.13-fsphil-github-20110908b_setup.exe
[13:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> then just click view -> SSTV RX
[13:23] <Lunar_Lander> is that Windows only fsphil?
[13:23] <m1elr1> I have it. I open ssdv rx but nothing.
[13:24] <Upu_2E0UPU> you're not recieving it then :/
[13:24] <m1elr1> scrub that just got half a pic.
[13:24] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol
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[13:24] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander, nope but you'll need to compile from source
[13:24] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[13:24] <fsphil> from my branch
[13:24] <Lunar_Lander> is that like the way that is described on UKHAS?
[13:24] <fsphil> no wait, jcoxon's branch was updated too
[13:24] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[13:25] <Lunar_Lander> when was that done?
[13:25] <fsphil> ages ago
[13:25] <fsphil> before hadie:3
[13:25] <Lunar_Lander> I compiled some weeks ago
[13:25] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[13:25] <fsphil> you should be setup then
[13:25] <Lunar_Lander> where can I find SSTV RX? just to know it
[13:25] <Lunar_Lander> I need hab mode?
[13:25] <fsphil> view->ssdv rx
[13:25] <fsphil> it should be there in both modes
[13:26] <fsphil> I've updated the page to print the u=?? on existing images
[13:26] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[13:26] <fsphil> even if it burst now, I think it would be in the sea :)
[13:26] <Lunar_Lander> yeah a new window came up
[13:26] <fsphil> or very near it
[13:26] <Lunar_Lander> Image ID, Size, Fixes, Recieved, Last, Lost
[13:26] <NigelMoby> heh
[13:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> fsphil you need to put a compass in that and record on the picture the way it was pointing
[13:27] <fsphil> that's not a bad idea Upu_2E0UPU
[13:27] <fsphil> 3.8m/s ascent
[13:27] <Rob_M0DTS> very neat idea
[13:27] <fsphil> yikes
[13:27] <fsphil> this ascent rate is nuts
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[13:28] <NigelMoby> better get the boat..
[13:28] <gonzo_> seeing feight trace of telem here
[13:28] <futurity> Are the picture packets also uploaded?
[13:29] <gonzo_> quite high, centered on .081
[13:29] <Upu_2E0UPU> despite the fact this payload is 10km from me I'm still struggling with decoding tele lines due to QRM
[13:29] <fsphil> they are futurity
[13:29] <futurity> cool
[13:29] <gonzo_> that's with a cal taken off my GPSDO
[13:29] <fsphil> that's what is feeding http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/live
[13:29] <futurity> hopefully the odd packet i decode will help lol
[13:29] <fsphil> they all do
[13:29] <fsphil> the one you get might be the one everyone else missed :)
[13:29] <Upu_2E0UPU> all adds up futurity
[13:29] <Upu_2E0UPU> fill in the gaps
[13:30] <Rob_M0DTS> calculations roughly against the graph make it ~2m/s Ascent
[13:30] <fsphil> it could still make holland if it floats a bit
[13:30] <fsphil> 1.5m/s lol
[13:30] <Rob_M0DTS> send daveake to get it!
[13:31] <fsphil> hehe, he joked about that earlier too
[13:31] <Upu_2E0UPU> I'll just lean out the window and wave
[13:31] <GW8RAK> m1elr are you over on the Wirral?
[13:31] <LazyL-M0LEP> Wonder where he is...
[13:31] <Upu_2E0UPU> 6.1km from me ..
[13:31] <fsphil> nearly overhead
[13:32] <NigelMoby> POP it upu
[13:32] <fsphil> so if you have a weapon that can reach 18km, do it now ;)
[13:32] <fsphil> it might just land in Grimsby
[13:32] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol
[13:32] <NigelMoby> Ew
[13:33] <fsphil> burst calculator says 2m/s + 320g payload = 37675km burst
[13:34] <joph> anyone there who can help me starting with the funcube?
[13:35] <fsphil> download spectravue joph, and qthid
[13:35] <fsphil> you may need to update the firmware too
[13:36] <fsphil> oh big sun in this picture
[13:36] <fsphil> looking a bit wobbly, it's spinning fast
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[13:37] <fsphil> right overhead you now Upu_2E0UPU?
[13:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> past me now
[13:37] <fsphil> how close did it get?
[13:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> 4.5km
[13:37] <fsphil> not bad
[13:38] <fsphil> I'm glad I put extra batteries into this thing
[13:38] <Upu_2E0UPU> indeed
[13:39] <fsphil> though a cut-down would have been more productive
[13:39] <joph> okay
[13:39] <NigelMoby> lol
[13:39] <NigelMoby> my desktop has developed a rattle....hmm
[13:40] <joph> fsphil, done
[13:40] <joph> firmware is updated to the newest stable version
[13:41] <fsphil> those other two programs should allow you to receive stuff and tune it
[13:42] <fsphil> spectravue will need some setting up, but there's a pdf detailing it all somewhere
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[13:42] <joph> thats already done
[13:42] <fsphil> ah, then you're sorted
[13:42] <fsphil> I still have hadie on the waterfall
[13:42] <fsphil> even decoding some text
[13:42] <joph> first i have to build a 434MHz antenna
[13:43] <fsphil> overexposed image
[13:44] <fsphil> 20km .. at last
[13:44] <number10> fsphil, the local image - can that be stored or does it just move on to the nect decoded?
[13:44] <joph> i've got a c net antenna (lower freq 451,30455,74 and higher freq 461,30465,74 MHz)
[13:45] <fsphil> number10, there's an option to save them
[13:45] <Dutch-Mill_> GW8RAK whats the frequency for HADIE at the moment ?
[13:45] <number10> ok ta
[13:45] <fsphil> in the dl client bit
[13:45] <fsphil> under image
[13:45] <number10> cool
[13:46] <gonzo_> stil centred on .081
[13:46] <fsphil> $@ADIE,#951,!5:46?15,_3.798r3?,-_???23\1(2042 _2,18,9$
[13:46] <fsphil> still getting text here
[13:47] <GW8RAK> Dutch-Mill, 434.0802 with auido at 1100Hz
[13:47] <GW8RAK> Audio
[13:47] <Dutch-Mill_> oke thnx
[13:48] <fsphil> the sun is getting quite low in the images
[13:48] <Dutch-Mill_> found it ...weak signal overhere
[13:48] <number10> maybe we will get a good sunset pic
[13:51] <gonzo_> got a decode!
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[13:54] <M1ELR> I failed to decode any pics, got a few lines of good data, signal passed now.
[13:54] <M1ELR> is there anywhere I can see other peoples decoded pics?
[13:54] <GW8RAK> Got a whole picture there :)
[13:54] <number10> M1ELR : http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/live
[13:55] <GW8RAK> Are you over on the Wirral M1ELR?
[13:55] <Lunar_Lander> whoo the rate is just +1.7 m/s
[13:56] <GW8RAK> fsphil, why doesn't my decoded picture appear on the sanslogic page? Any Ideas?
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[13:58] <fsphil> GW8RAK, odd -- are you using that beta version?
[13:58] <GW8RAK> Yes, the position strings are uploading, but not the pictures
[13:58] <fsphil> and they're decoding on your screen?
[13:59] <GW8RAK> Very well
[13:59] Action: NigeyS slaps habhound
[13:59] <fsphil> hmm
[13:59] <NigeyS> give me back my time!
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[13:59] <GW8RAK> now I've found out why there was no signal earlier
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[13:59] <fsphil> not plugged in ? :)
[13:59] <NigeyS> thats my trick!
[13:59] <NigeyS> fsphil, habhound not displaying time ?
[13:59] <M1ELR> >GW8RAK, yes i'm in Moreton,wirral.
[14:00] <fsphil> GW8RAK, any error messages when it receives a packet?
[14:00] <GW8RAK> Noticed your location appeared on the tracker. I just across the water from you.
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[14:00] <fsphil> the server isn't seeing any packets from you
[14:00] <fsphil> NigeyS, it doesn't really do time properly yet
[14:00] <GW8RAK> fsphil, no error messages and full pictures being received
[14:01] <fsphil> I don't understand that
[14:01] <fsphil> are you able to view the live page ok?
[14:01] <GW8RAK> At sanslogic? Yes
[14:01] <NigeyS> ahh thatd be why then lol
[14:01] <fsphil> that's really odd
[14:01] <NigeyS> meh so much local crap on hadies freq :(
[14:02] <fsphil> I can't think of anything that would prevent it GW8RAK -- is it on linux or windows?
[14:02] <jgrahamc> There are live pictures somewhere?
[14:03] <GW8RAK> Windows
[14:03] <fsphil> hiya jgrahamc, http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/live
[14:03] <jgrahamc> Cheers fsphil
[14:03] <fsphil> silly suggestion perhaps, but can you try reloading it GW8RAK?
[14:03] <GW8RAK> Okay, will give it a try
[14:03] <fsphil> 24km nearly
[14:04] <number10> I have had fldigi do strange things on windows that required re-execute
[14:04] <fsphil> if the sun sets before this gets to its burst altitude, it could be up there for a while!
[14:04] <jgrahamc> Are the BUZZ team going through the tunnel?
[14:04] <fsphil> 4.6m/s ascent
[14:04] <fsphil> that's really odd
[14:04] <NigeyS> jgrahamc, yup
[14:05] <GW8RAK> fsphil, nothing showing on sanslogic, but displaying okay here
[14:05] <GW8RAK> Not to worry though
[14:05] <fsphil> the server isn't logging anything
[14:05] <fsphil> can some of you record the audio of this please? I'm transmitting some test packets I'd like to try decoding later
[14:06] <Laurenceb_> holy shit buzz
[14:06] <fsphil> particularly as the signal fades
[14:06] <Laurenceb_> new record
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[14:06] <Laurenceb_> what size balloon?
[14:06] <fsphil> buzz had a 1600g
[14:07] <Laurenceb_> howyee?
[14:07] <fsphil> yea
[14:07] <Laurenceb_> ah interesting
[14:07] <NigeyS> burst at 23k ? :|
[14:07] <fsphil> not yet NigeyS
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[14:07] <NigeyS> buzz i meant, not hadie
[14:08] <fsphil> oh that burst at 40.9km
[14:08] <NigeyS> oo
[14:08] <fsphil> uk record
[14:08] <fsphil> #2 world record
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[14:08] <Laurenceb_> nice
[14:08] <fsphil> assuming the arhab people accept it
[14:08] <NigeyS> haha oh that'll be fun
[14:09] <NigeyS> i remember the last "issue" we had with them
[14:10] <fsphil> hadie's altitude graph is looking a bit bumpy
[14:10] <NigeyS> yeah, the ascent rates all over the place to
[14:11] <fsphil> I wonder if there is turbulence up that high
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[14:11] <fsphil> hopy crap I got an image packet
[14:11] <fsphil> holy*
[14:11] <NigeyS> lol
[14:11] <fsphil> and decoding most of the test!
[14:11] <number10> nice to know you are contribulting ;)
[14:11] <jgrahamc> That's an incredible height. Is this a Hwoyee balloon?
[14:11] <fsphil> text
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[14:11] <fsphil> it was jgrahamc (for buzz)
[14:12] <jgrahamc> Thanks fsphil. Looks like there's a correlation between altitude and Hwoyee recently.
[14:12] <fsphil> they just don't like bursting
[14:13] <NigeyS> fsphil, i wonder if those nice folks at menwith hill have picked up Hadie yet ;)
[14:13] <fsphil> almost certainly
[14:13] <Upu_2E0UPU> they be sat there going "lol bill time"
[14:13] <NigeyS> lolol
[14:14] <fsphil> fading here again
[14:15] <NigeyS> if u hear any fighter jets overhead upu.... ;)
[14:15] <number10> I suppose no-one will get NOTAM next year when olympics are on
[14:16] <NigeyS> hm good point, wonder if they'll be a bit more restrictive
[14:17] <fsphil> more restrictive?
[14:17] <NigeyS> with issuing..
[14:17] <fsphil> don't say such things
[14:17] <fsphil> that'll mean more work for DM
[14:17] <NigeyS> the yanks are bringing over 4 predator drones *sigh*
[14:17] <Lunar_Lander> I remember the photo from Athens 2004
[14:18] <Lunar_Lander> they positioned Patriot missile sites around the city then
[14:18] <NigeyS> yeah kev, theyre doing similar things hear, the stadium sites will be protected by SAMS
[14:18] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[14:19] <Lunar_Lander> there was a good Command&Conquer ad once
[14:19] <Lunar_Lander> it showed a launching Patriot and below it said "Sometimes the feather is mightier than the Sword."
[14:19] <NigeyS> :)
[14:19] <gonzo_> fsphil, have some audio captures, catch me later for it
[14:21] <jgrahamc> What's the hadie dial frequency now? Going to have a listen.
[14:21] <NigeyS> .081 i think
[14:21] <fsphil> thanks gonzo_
[14:21] <jgrahamc> thx
[14:21] <fsphil> 434.079 for me
[14:22] <NigeyS> i cant hear the dam thing, there's about 15 strong signals on my waterfall, and its all local noise :(
[14:22] <fsphil> eeeu
[14:22] <fsphil> it's pretty quiet here today but the signal is just too weak
[14:23] <fsphil> plus this is pretty far from me now
[14:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> that is a nice pic coming up
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[14:23] <fsphil> wow
[14:24] <fsphil> is that the moon?
[14:24] <NigeyS> probably
[14:25] <fsphil> and the north sea
[14:25] <NigeyS> yup phil thats definately the moon
[14:26] <fsphil> Dutch-Mill_, you got one!
[14:26] <fsphil> I can't identify that coast line
[14:27] <NigeyS> norway ?
[14:27] <fsphil> oh that's my fav image
[14:27] <fsphil> nah it'll be england somewhere
[14:30] <fsphil> oh wait, some that coastline is actually shadow
[14:30] <fsphil> the clouds are casting a really long shadow
[14:30] <fsphil> how cool is that!
[14:30] <jgrahamc> Was contact lost with Buzz?
[14:30] <number10> yes shortly after burst
[14:31] <number10> was spinning
[14:31] <jgrahamc> Any ideas why?
[14:31] <number10> could receive signal but not decode
[14:31] <fsphil> the antenna was likely getting thrown about
[14:31] <fsphil> it fell very fast
[14:32] <jgrahamc> Is the assumption that it didn't manage to make landfall?
[14:32] <number10> if its the same antenna dave had on buzz1 it was flexble
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[14:32] <fsphil> creeping up on 30km
[14:32] <NigeyS> jgrahamc, it probably made it into belgium
[14:33] <M1ELR> fsphil is Hadie your work?
[14:34] <fsphil> M1ELR, guilty
[14:34] <M1ELR> just wanted to say well done so far, great job.
[14:34] <fsphil> thanks!
[14:34] <fsphil> the images are better than I expected
[14:34] <fsphil> those last two are great
[14:34] <costyn> fsphil: yes, good job... pics are cool!
[14:35] <fsphil> this one is overexposed
[14:36] <fsphil> anyone know how long until sunset?
[14:36] <fsphil> the images are going to get pretty dark soon :)
[14:36] <fsphil> 30.2km
[14:36] <fsphil> it should burst soon
[14:36] <fsphil> maybe
[14:37] <M1ELR> 15:54 today
[14:37] <NigeyS> heh that looks like a shark...
[14:37] <costyn> whats the dial freq now? lemme see if I can hear it
[14:37] <fsphil> I can't id that either
[14:37] <number10> that coastline has to be near bridlington
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[14:39] <fsphil> sunset image
[14:40] <fsphil> well nope, the sun has still a bit to fall et
[14:40] <fsphil> yet
[14:40] <NigeyS> fsphil, should stick some solar film on a camera one day, get some cracking images of the sun without it glaring
[14:40] <fsphil> aah, images of the sun itself
[14:41] <costyn> is it still 434.079?
[14:41] <fsphil> costyn, yep
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[14:41] <NigeyS> fsphil, should be quite easy to do
[14:41] <fsphil> roughly
[14:41] <fsphil> the sun is very tiny in those images though
[14:41] Action: SpeedEvil sighs.
[14:42] <SpeedEvil> In some other countries they don't need to use high-altitude balloons to see the sun.
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[14:42] <NigeyS> lol SpeedEvil
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[14:42] <fsphil> haha
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[14:46] <fsphil> 32km
[14:46] <fsphil> my second highest payload :)
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[14:47] <number10> frequency is not drifting much on yours fsphil - do you have heating next to the NTX2
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[14:47] <fsphil> the regulator is right next to it number10, but not touching
[14:48] <fsphil> float?
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[14:49] <SUPAD> re
[14:49] <fsphil> -1m/s ascent
[14:49] <fsphil> lol
[14:49] <fsphil> its floating
[14:49] <NigeyS> lol
[14:49] <NigeyS> chuck the kettle on phil, this could be a long day :p
[14:49] <fsphil> and I just got another image packet
[14:49] <SUPAD> how come daveake isn't back on screen yet ?
[14:50] <fsphil> ooh, and telemetry string
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[14:50] <fsphil> 440km range
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[14:51] <fsphil> it's either going to float, or burst any second now
[14:52] <number10> he probably got arested SUPAD - driving round France and Belgium with his yagi out
[14:52] <NigeyS> argh Wales you donkeys!
[14:52] <SUPAD> seriously ?
[14:53] <number10> no - probably too expensive for gsm dongle
[14:53] <SUPAD> ah. ^^
[14:53] <fsphil> yea the roaming charges would be pretty nasty
[14:54] <GW8RAK> Signal just changed
[14:54] <GW8RAK> went from steady to almost pulsing
[14:54] <fsphil> burst?
[14:54] <fsphil> nope
[14:54] <GW8RAK> Thought so at first, but still going up
[14:55] <SUPAD> (chuck testa)
[14:55] <number10> 32651
[14:55] <fsphil> 0.0m/s
[14:55] <GW8RAK> Signal getting weak now
[14:55] <GW8RAK> and this time it's not my equipment
[14:55] <number10> dunno why I did that - it was uploaded before I typed it lol
[14:55] <fsphil> no, that's not bad range GW8RAK
[14:56] <GW8RAK> Getting some strange audio effects now, almost like echoes
[14:56] <NigeyS> Aliens!
[14:56] <GW8RAK> ducting propagation perhasp?
[14:56] <GW8RAK> perhaps
[14:56] <fsphil> multipath ducting?
[14:56] <GW8RAK> something like that I think
[14:57] <fsphil> might explain why I keep getting the occasional packet
[14:57] <GW8RAK> Noticed it before particularly around 18km
[14:58] <GW8RAK> Signal strength just dropped considerably
[14:58] <fsphil> 33km
[14:58] <fsphil> I'm still getting fragments of the strings
[14:59] <fsphil> it's doing that oscillating altitude thing
[14:59] <SamSilver__> the burst thingy is not showing on the tracker
[14:59] <fsphil> -2m/s
[15:00] <costyn> SamSilver__: i think that's when it's getting floaty :)
[15:00] <fsphil> burst?
[15:00] <fsphil> nope
[15:00] <fsphil> floaty
[15:01] <SamSilver__> is see the f word is being used a lot at the moment
[15:01] <costyn> might still reach me yet
[15:01] <GW8RAK> I wonder if there are certain distances and altitudes at which propagation changes mode?
[15:01] <fsphil> -3m/s
[15:01] <fsphil> that's odd
[15:01] <NigeyS> meh in that oscillation zone again
[15:01] <SUPAD> i'm guessing that the owner don't expect to get it back ?
[15:02] <fsphil> SUPAD, nope :)
[15:02] <fsphil> well there was a plan
[15:02] <fsphil> if it landed in england
[15:02] <fsphil> going up again
[15:03] <SUPAD> will it sink or float ?
[15:03] <fsphil> aah, the moon again
[15:03] <fsphil> lol
[15:03] <SUPAD> got any light device for fishermens ?
[15:03] <fsphil> it should float actually
[15:03] <fsphil> although it's not very water tight
[15:03] <fsphil> M0PDA has the wrong payload setup
[15:04] <GW8RAK> Don't think the North Sea will be quite so calm this time.
[15:04] <fsphil> nope
[15:04] <fsphil> so this one will sink
[15:04] <fsphil> unless the duct tape holds
[15:04] <SUPAD> u should have done a boat-drone :p
[15:04] <fsphil> then it might wash up on norways coast
[15:04] <fsphil> wow, I got another image packet
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[15:04] <GW8RAK> Good idea SUPAD
[15:05] <fsphil> another shot of the moon
[15:05] <fsphil> man that sky is dark now
[15:05] <fsphil> 33.3km, going up again
[15:05] <costyn> fsphil: if it has duct-tape, there's always a chacne of floating after splashdown :) ducttape ftw
[15:05] <fsphil> expecting the burst soon
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[15:06] <G8DSU> At least M0PDA caught the packet missing on 0x35 - but you'll have to cut and paste it manually...
[15:06] <fsphil> I will shortly
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[15:06] <fsphil> just put a quick fix in to get them in the right place
[15:07] <chembrow> ullo
[15:07] <fsphil> still heading up
[15:07] <fsphil> ooh, I got another one
[15:07] <NigeyS> burst
[15:08] <fsphil> woo!
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[15:08] <fsphil> north sea about to get fed
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[15:08] <gonzo_> how close was the prediction for that!
[15:08] <SUPAD_> will we have images of the chute ?
[15:08] <GW8RAK> Splashdown is quite close to the coast
[15:09] <fsphil> unlikely SUPAD_, the camera looks out sideways
[15:09] <chembrow> that's typical, I've JUST got my colinear up and about to fix the plug and I've missed almost everything :)
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[15:09] <GW8RAK> No, just come back a long way
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[15:10] <fsphil> hmm.. did it stop sending images?
[15:10] <fsphil> it wasn't suppose to until 10km
[15:11] <fsphil> ah there we go
[15:11] <number10> you had code in to stop it fsphil?
[15:11] <fsphil> yea, after the last one it stops sending new ones
[15:11] <fsphil> after burst
[15:12] <fsphil> to get the most telemetry on the way down
[15:12] <costyn> clever
[15:12] <number10> ic
[15:12] <fsphil> but this time I programmed it only to stop if it's falling < 10km
[15:13] <Rob_M0DTS> 300baud is getting in decodes between the fades here where 50baud would definately not!
[15:13] <fsphil> as there's plenty of time for a few more images
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[15:17] <fsphil> at least I'll get some sleep tonight :)
[15:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> signal is going here
[15:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> by going I mean gone
[15:17] <fsphil> lol
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[15:17] <fsphil> thanks for nearly going out to chase it Upu_2E0UPU
[15:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah lol no problems I'm going to go pull the car apart shortly
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[15:20] <fsphil> I still have it on my waterfall
[15:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> I lied
[15:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> it just came back very strong
[15:20] <hibby> I love it when it comes on strong
[15:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> -11m/s @ 20km
[15:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> how big is the cute ?
[15:20] <fsphil> 24"
[15:20] Action: Upu_2E0UPU pats hibby
[15:21] <fsphil> it's quite big for the payload
[15:21] <hibby> can someone in a position of power on the goog group authorise my work email as well as my personal one? I can't respond to posts properly yet :/
[15:21] <fsphil> aaand the signal has gone here
[15:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> shit
[15:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> last SSTV pic
[15:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> the end of the world is upon us
[15:22] <fsphil> there'll be one more hopefully
[15:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> looks like a tidal wave of firely wrath
[15:23] <fsphil> it does!
[15:24] <Rob_M0DTS> certainly favoured sun images this time!
[15:25] <fsphil> wonder what the green is
[15:25] <number10> aliens
[15:25] <Rob_M0DTS> someone trying to shoot it down with a lazer..
[15:26] <Rob_M0DTS> these bright images dont take long to come in, another on yet
[15:27] <Upu_2E0UPU> when this is down Rob
[15:27] <Upu_2E0UPU> just swing the Yagi over to me and see if you can hear my prototype board
[15:27] <Rob_M0DTS> yesmoon again
[15:27] <fsphil> das moon!
[15:27] <Rob_M0DTS> probably ;-)
[15:27] <Upu_2E0UPU> mooooooooooon
[15:28] <fsphil> think this will be the last image
[15:29] <Upu_2E0UPU> some corking pics there considering fsphil
[15:29] <Rob_M0DTS> freq drifting now
[15:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> yep
[15:30] <fsphil> indeed Upu_2E0UPU, I'm well chuffed
[15:30] <fsphil> it's such a tiny little camera
[15:30] <Rob_M0DTS> tropopause at 11km?
[15:31] <fsphil> <10km now, no more images after this
[15:32] <Rob_M0DTS> yes nice images for the little cam
[15:32] <Rob_M0DTS> i bought one to play with, not done much yet though!
[15:32] <Upu_2E0UPU> this is where switching to 50 baud would help..
[15:33] <fsphil> is anyone recording this?
[15:33] <fsphil> Rob_M0DTS, if you can record it please do
[15:33] <fsphil> if it's not already gone
[15:34] <Rob_M0DTS> record audio?
[15:34] <fsphil> yea
[15:34] <fsphil> there are position packets with FEC in there
[15:34] <fsphil> I might be able to decode one from lower down than the text ones
[15:35] <Rob_M0DTS> recording
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[15:35] <fsphil> not that it would help recovery in this case :)
[15:35] <Rob_M0DTS> how do we know which is error corrected?
[15:36] <fsphil> but I'd like to see if it's worth while transmitting again
[15:36] <fsphil> the current dl-fldigi won't decode them
[15:36] <Upu_2E0UPU> no once again the North Sea will be well fed tonight
[15:36] <fsphil> you should still be seeing some binary data every 10 text lines
[15:36] <Rob_M0DTS> ,$HADIE,2759,136:16,53.923428,1.238341,5282,1,9,?*FC7A [>’}'LÈXeÖû,-2Z°º<~dó *ëJ7:NÔi ðTýùÙÓ×¥­,xeºïT}(w~2ÎO8«$$HADIE,260,15:36:2
[15:36] <fsphil> yep that's it
[15:36] <Rob_M0DTS> there it is
[15:36] <Upu_2E0UPU> oh is that what the junk is
[15:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> packets with error correction ?
[15:37] <fsphil> most of it was image data, those little bits are the position packets
[15:37] <fsphil> yea
[15:37] <fsphil> 25% of it is FEC so they should be quite hardy
[15:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> interesting
[15:37] <fsphil> I'm hoping they decode until the signal is completely gone
[15:37] <Rob_M0DTS> timed that right as it's weak now
[15:38] <fsphil> or near enough it
[15:39] <Rob_M0DTS> lost it
[15:39] <fsphil> 3268, the text lines did well
[15:39] <fsphil> gone from the waterfall too?
[15:39] <Rob_M0DTS> slight trace
[15:39] <fsphil> that's impressive
[15:39] <Upu_2E0UPU> I can see it
[15:39] <Upu_2E0UPU> also recording
[15:40] <fsphil> that's also impressive!
[15:40] <Lunar_Lander> do we have end of flight fsphil?
[15:40] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander, in the next few minutes it will be in the sea
[15:40] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:40] <Lunar_Lander> :(
[15:40] <Upu_2E0UPU> 2206
[15:40] <fsphil> oooh
[15:40] <fsphil> you got a line
[15:40] <fsphil> 4 minutes until splash down
[15:40] <Rob_M0DTS> totally gone.
[15:41] <Upu_2E0UPU> still on waterfall
[15:41] <Rob_M0DTS> hills in the way to east from here.
[15:41] <Upu_2E0UPU> but not decoding
[15:41] <fsphil> getting fragments?
[15:41] <Upu_2E0UPU> fading
[15:41] <Upu_2E0UPU> gone
[15:41] <fsphil> the horizon!
[15:41] <fsphil> thanks guys
[15:41] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://pastebin.com/j1HrXPfE
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:41] <fsphil> phew, what a flight
[15:42] <number10> well done fsphil
[15:42] <fsphil> a long flight, and a really high flight
[15:42] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/capture.wav
[15:43] <gonzo_> www.g0nzo.co.uk/misc/tty
[15:43] <fsphil> fantastic
[15:43] <fsphil> I'll run these through the decoder in a minute
[15:43] <SpeedEvil> did Buzz hit land?
[15:43] <gonzo_> take more than a minute to get mine!
[15:44] <fsphil> ... and splashdown
[15:44] <Lunar_Lander> congratulations to fsphil and daveake for two great flights!
[15:44] <fsphil> SpeedEvil, no word from dave yet
[15:44] <gonzo_> we lost buzz over the channel
[15:44] <SpeedEvil> ah
[15:44] <fsphil> it's a good bet
[15:44] <fsphil> lol gonzo_, ok 5 minutes
[15:45] <fsphil> so what are the odds it landed near a boat :)
[15:45] <Rob_M0DTS> http://www.m0dts.co.uk/files/hadie_m0dts.wav
[15:45] <Upu_2E0UPU> I can't get this breadboard to power up Rob_M0DTS
[15:45] <fsphil> gonzo_, the .mov related?
[15:45] <Rob_M0DTS> oh dear..
[15:45] <Upu_2E0UPU> ah there we go
[15:45] <Rob_M0DTS> freq?
[15:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.647.50
[15:46] <Rob_M0DTS> ok
[15:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> Yorkshire Dales in the way
[15:47] <Rob_M0DTS> yes, nothing!
[15:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> unsurprisingly :)
[15:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> never mind
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[15:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> ok I best go unpack the car
[15:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> getting dark
[15:47] Nick change: Upu_2E0UPU -> Upu
[15:47] <Upu> bbs
[15:47] <Rob_M0DTS> thnaks for the entertainment.. i'm off to, interesting day as always with the balloon flights!
[15:48] <fsphil> lol, thanks again Rob_M0DTS
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[15:52] <gonzo_> mo phil, that was just a silly bit of footage of my telem unit running into a mechnical tleprinter
[15:52] <fsphil> aaah
[15:53] <fsphil> just counting up, not counting the gap after I lost the signal, only 2 packets where lost
[15:53] <fsphil> well I lost a few after launch because my laptop battery ran out
[15:58] <NigeyS> not bad at all dude.
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[16:07] <NigeyS> Laurenceb, about ?
[16:07] <mattltm> I have returned :)
[16:07] Action: fsphil runs away
[16:07] <fsphil> you have a boat don't you mattltm ? ;)
[16:08] <mattltm> Not right now....
[16:08] <NigeyS> wb matt
[16:08] <fsphil> drat lol
[16:08] <mattltm> Wet landing I guess?
[16:08] <fsphil> very wet
[16:08] <fsphil> and cold
[16:08] <mattltm> shame
[16:08] <fsphil> well, sort of half expected it
[16:09] <mattltm> And a few 100 miles from me too
[16:09] <fsphil> too dark there anyway
[16:10] <mattltm> Nice pics though
[16:10] <fsphil> yep, well pleased
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[16:14] <Lunar_Lander> hey mattltm
[16:14] <Lunar_Lander> congratulations to fsphil and daveake for two great flights!
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[16:28] <fsphil> thanks Lunar_Lander
[16:28] <fsphil> hopefully dave gets back soon
[16:28] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[16:34] <fsphil> eh .. qrz.com are blocking links from google?
[16:35] <Lunar_Lander> hi nosebleedKT
[16:36] <Lunar_Lander> hey I can see SCL and SDA as well as SCL1 and SDA1 on Arduino Due
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[16:38] <Lunar_Lander> that means we can have one-wire devices without multiplexer
[16:38] <Lunar_Lander> ?
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[16:40] <SpeedEvil> One-wire (from dallas/maxim) do not require multiplexers.
[16:40] <Lunar_Lander> yes
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[16:41] <Lunar_Lander> but for example the Bosch BMP085 can only be installed on Pin A4 and A5 on Uno
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[16:42] <SpeedEvil> You can connect many I2C devices to one I2C controller.
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[16:43] <SpeedEvil> As long as they do not share addresses.
[16:43] <hibby> IIC ftw :)
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> And as long as the overall bus capacitance and other parameters is within limits.
[16:43] <LazyL-M0LEP> Ah well... Into the North Sea, Phil. The live pictures, however, are crackers. :)
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[16:44] <LazyL-M0LEP> Any news of Buzz?
[16:46] <SpeedEvil> Don't think so.
[16:50] <LazyL-M0LEP> Ho hum
[16:50] Nick change: LazyL-M0LEP -> LazyLeopard
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[17:13] <nosebleedKT> hi all
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[17:18] <Lunar_Lander> hi GW8RAK nosebleedKT
[17:18] <GW8RAK> Evening Kevin
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[17:19] <nosebleedKT> :P
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[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> jut preparing to go cycling
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> :P
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[17:22] <nosebleedKT> yeah
[17:22] <nosebleedKT> cool
[17:22] <x-f> Lunar_Lander, you ride in the dark?
[17:22] <nosebleedKT> just waiting to get my first salary to buy a cycle
[17:22] <nosebleedKT> x-f: he is nightrider
[17:22] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[17:22] <x-f> hey, fsphil, congratulations on a flight, great pictures!
[17:22] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[17:22] <fsphil-laptop> thanks x-f !
[17:22] <nosebleedKT> wtf
[17:22] <nosebleedKT> fsphil ?
[17:23] <Lunar_Lander> x-f nosebleedKT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBqjLF-z4YM
[17:23] <nosebleedKT> fsphil-laptop: new flight?
[17:23] <fsphil-laptop> nosebleedKT, yep :) http://spacenear.us/
[17:23] <fsphil-laptop> slightly wet landing
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[17:26] <nosebleedKT> you have pictures ?
[17:26] <fsphil-laptop> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/live
[17:26] <fsphil-laptop> some rather spiffy ones this time
[17:27] <number10> well I am glad you got your battery holder fsphil - shame to loose payload but great pics and good fun
[17:27] <nosebleedKT> you didnt have an onboard camera?
[17:28] <number10> SSTV
[17:29] <fsphil-laptop> yea, one of the 4d cameras
[17:29] <nosebleedKT> yes i know about thing
[17:29] <nosebleedKT> no canon ?
[17:29] <fsphil-laptop> not this time
[17:29] <fsphil-laptop> I knew it was riskyt
[17:29] <fsphil-laptop> -t
[17:29] <nosebleedKT> ah so it was a sstv flight mainly
[17:29] <fsphil-laptop> yep, ssdv only
[17:29] <nosebleedKT> did you recover it?
[17:30] <fsphil-laptop> nah, it's swimming with the fishies
[17:30] <nosebleedKT> ha
[17:30] <number10> no as Upu did not have a bnoat
[17:30] <number10> -n
[17:30] <nosebleedKT> can you still track it?
[17:30] <fsphil-laptop> nobody is near enough
[17:30] <nosebleedKT> omg
[17:31] <fsphil-laptop> the salt water will have killed the electrics by now anyway
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[17:31] <nosebleedKT> lol
[17:31] <nosebleedKT> can you show its path?
[17:31] <fsphil-laptop> it's on spacenear.us
[17:31] <number10> mond you looking at the traker - G7WAW is not far away
[17:31] <number10> mind
[17:31] <RocketBoy> any news from daveake?
[17:31] <RocketBoy> \
[17:31] <nosebleedKT> i cant find it on spacenear
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[17:32] <Lunar_Lander> hello RocketBoy
[17:32] <RocketBoy> hi ll
[17:32] <fsphil-laptop> nosebleedKT, it's the first one that appears
[17:32] <fsphil-laptop> it might be a little slow though
[17:32] <fsphil-laptop> nothing yet RocketBoy
[17:32] <fsphil-laptop> getting late, hope all is good
[17:32] <Upu> afternoon Steve
[17:33] <Upu> I don't think the parachute was working on BUZZ
[17:33] <Upu> it was coming down awfully quick
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> Well - it was very high up then
[17:33] <LazyLeopard> ...and spinning like crazy
[17:33] <RocketBoy> oh right - bad news
[17:34] <Upu> yeah but Hadie was 1/2 the speed at the same altitude
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> True, maybe tanglage?
[17:34] <Upu> possibly
[17:34] <fsphil-laptop> buzz was lighter too
[17:34] <Upu> still nice record
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[17:35] <Upu> wonder if the ARHAB people will accept it
[17:35] <Lunar_Lander> do you know his parachute size and payload mass?
[17:35] <Upu> nope
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[17:35] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[17:35] <Lunar_Lander> with that we could have checked if the velocity was OK
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[17:36] <Lunar_Lander> OK, cycling time :)
[17:36] <fsphil-laptop> yay
[17:36] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, 30" chute and 150g payload.
[17:36] <Upu> 30" ?
[17:37] <Upu> should have been slower I suspect
[17:37] <nosebleedKT> fsphil-laptop: did you know that it will follow that path?
[17:37] Action: LazyLeopard checks scrollback... He did say somewhere...
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[17:40] <fsphil-laptop> nosebleedKT, not as far as that. we underfilled the balloon a bit
[17:40] <fsphil-laptop> we where aiming for Upu
[17:40] <nosebleedKT> aha
[17:41] <LazyLeopard> Dec 03 11:42:50 daveake__ yes, hopefully
[17:41] <LazyLeopard> Dec 03 11:43:04 number10 is it one of those tiny chutes?
[17:41] <LazyLeopard> Dec 03 11:43:18 daveake__ 30"
[17:42] <Lunar_Lander> if I get this right, at this altitude the descent rate should have been 9.652 m/s
[17:42] <LazyLeopard> Dec 03 11:43:36 daveake__ One of steve's finest :)
[17:42] <LazyLeopard> That's where I got the 30" from...
[17:43] <Lunar_Lander> well
[17:43] <Lunar_Lander> I'm really going cycling now
[17:43] <Lunar_Lander> see you :)
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[18:41] <NigeyS> daveeeeeeeeeeeee
[18:41] <NigeyS> where is buzz?!?!
[18:41] <daveake> F knows
[18:41] <daveake> :D
[18:41] <NigeyS> oh dam :(
[18:42] <NigeyS> where are you now ?
[18:42] <daveake> Last reading was at 23km up .... not much chance of a prediction acurate enough to find quickly
[18:42] <daveake> We had a nice day in Bruges instead :)
[18:42] <NigeyS> yeah i guess "somewhere in belgium" is a bit to vague lol
[18:42] <daveake> Chunnel ... going under soon
[18:42] <daveake> lol
[18:43] <fsphil-laptop> someone may yet find it
[18:43] <NigeyS> ach well ya had a good day so all is good
[18:43] <daveake> Indeed
[18:43] <daveake> Yes, this was the backup plan all along
[18:43] <daveake> I'll upload launch photos tomorrow
[18:43] <NigeyS> :)
[18:45] <daveake> The gusts were so strong I really thought it would burst early due to be stretched a I tried to hold on to it
[18:45] <NigeyS> yikes, winds have been hellish down here for the last 36 hours or so :/
[18:45] <fsphil-laptop> I had a similar experience daveake
[18:45] <RocketBoy> its an amazing altitude for a 1600 with a 5.4m/sec ascent rate
[18:45] <fsphil-laptop> I really struggled to hold onto it
[18:46] <RocketBoy> He ?
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[18:49] <NigeyS> it was He yup Steve
[18:50] <NigeyS> those 1600's really dont like bursting
[18:50] <RocketBoy> Very good - too fast an ascent rate to float
[18:51] <RocketBoy> tis a big element of variability balloon to balloon IMO
[18:51] <NigeyS> maybe not as predictable as first thought
[18:51] <fsphil-laptop> I was almost using my 1600, glad I didn't as I didn't have enough to fill the 1000g properly
[18:51] <RocketBoy> I ran a spreadsheet over the data - looks like the landing rate would have been about 5.6m/sec - so not too fast
[18:52] <RocketBoy> I see - hence the slow ascent rate
[18:52] <RocketBoy> on your flight
[18:52] <NigeyS> 5.6 .. it wouldve survived.. antenna wouldnt have mind, prolly explains the loss of signal
[18:53] <fsphil-laptop> yes we ran out of helium - I overestimated how much we had
[18:53] <fsphil-laptop> plus it was nearly impossibly to judge the lift in all that wind
[18:53] <RocketBoy> yeah - its a pain in windy conditions
[18:58] <fsphil-laptop> the balloon got wet which I was a bit worried about
[18:59] <fsphil-laptop> but didn't seem to have any effect
[18:59] <RocketBoy> Do we know when BUZZ's batteries are due to run out?
[19:05] <fsphil-laptop> looks like Upu got some data down to about 2286m but it's pretty patchy
[19:05] <fsphil-laptop> that's a heck of a colinear
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[19:36] <Upu> did I get some of the error corrected data fsphil ?
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[19:59] <fsphil> Upu, I see it in the recording but it isn't decoding. i think I have a bug somewhere
[19:59] <RocketBoy> based on the ascent and descent down to 22Km I put BUZZ's landing spot near 50.9879571,3.2536535
[20:02] <SpeedEvil> RocketBoy: Are you sure you shouldn't add more significant digits?
[20:02] <SpeedEvil> :)
[20:02] <RocketBoy> :-) its easier not to cut em off
[20:02] <SpeedEvil> yeah - I know.
[20:02] <SpeedEvil> I just found it amusing.
[20:03] <SpeedEvil> I guess one is probly going to be more or less-right, two probably optimistic.
[20:03] <RocketBoy> tis - I suspect 50.99,3.25 is about the sort of accuracy
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[20:10] <SpeedEvil> I guess it's more likely to be recovered than the one later in the day, anyway.
[20:10] <fsphil> it could have landed on a boat
[20:12] <SpeedEvil> True.
[20:13] <SpeedEvil> Or helpful dolphins could be swimming with it to your address.
[20:13] <fsphil> as long as it's not helpful sharks
[20:17] <russss> I'm not a fan of this mailing list thread
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[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> hello again
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[22:32] <NigeyS> russss which thread?
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> hi NigeyS
[22:33] <NigeyS> hi kev
[22:33] <russss> the "legal structures" thing
[22:33] <russss> er, Formalising UKHAS
[22:34] <russss> lots of FUD, lots of silly suggestions, not many actual facts
[22:34] <NigeyS> oh, yeah, wasnt what i had in mind when bringing it back up, its turned into a "can we get insurance" thread :/
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> russss: yeah especially the Sea Launch idea
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[22:35] <russss> well, I dunno. I think perhaps the only reason UKHAS does need a legal structure is if it starts providing insurance. (Or alternatively if it starts incurring significant overhead organising conferences.)
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> true
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> and maybe to contact university for research experiments
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> or so
[22:36] <russss> Lunar_Lander: yeah, that bit is silly. I think if you launch from international waters you're probably still going to be liable.
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> true
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> also the payload will surely be lost
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> or hit land anyway
[22:36] <russss> I'm not 100% sure about that, though. International law is complex
[22:37] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:37] <Lunar_Lander> some guy once told me that onboard of ships the limit of 18 for gambling is not there anymore
[22:37] <Lunar_Lander> but I don't really believe that
[22:37] <russss> the saying goes: "you know what they call international law which is universally recognised? Law."
[22:37] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:38] <joph> which device is used for sending the data? is this an assembled module or is it a selfmade circuit with something like pll?
[22:38] <NigeyS> the radio device joph ?
[22:39] <joph> yes
[22:39] <NigeyS> NTX2 module, from radiometrix
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[22:40] <joph> the're a little bit like RFM12
[22:40] <joph> but they're using another kind of modulation
[22:42] <fsphil> fm modulators
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[23:29] <Randomskk> can anyone point me in the direction I need to go to set a ublox 5 on an fsa03 into the right nav mode?
[23:30] <daveake> jcoxon posted an excellent article about that ...
[23:30] <daveake> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:falcom_fsa03?s[]=fsa03
[23:30] <Randomskk> great, thanks
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[23:51] <Upu> Yeah his code is good works for ublox 6 too
[23:51] <daveake> That's good because my fsa03's are ublox 6's :)
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[23:58] <Laurenceb_> The pylon incident, although very unlucky, demonstrates the possible implications of our launches
[23:59] <Randomskk> this fsa03 is not having much luck picking up satellites
[23:59] <Randomskk> maybe just my window though >_>
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