highaltitude.log.20111202

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[00:11] <russss> "This was among the most accurate interplanetary injections ever," said Louis D'Amario of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory" http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-371
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[00:12] <fsphil> "Head Shot"
[00:13] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[00:13] <SpeedEvil> You only get to say that after it misses phobos, and lands.
[00:13] <Lunar_Lander> someone touched the MSL drill bits
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[00:53] <NigeyS> SpeedEvil
[00:53] <SpeedEvil> >?
[00:53] <NigeyS> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12-300-MM-LONG-ALUMINIUM-SQUARE-BAR-3-4-SQUARE-/370371787542?pt=UK_BOI_Metalworking_Milling_Welding_Metalworking_Supplies_ET&hash=item563be0fb16
[00:53] <NigeyS> if i can get that milled, that should work ?
[00:53] <SpeedEvil> In principle, sure.
[00:53] <SpeedEvil> What may also work is two 'u' channels glued back-back
[00:54] <NigeyS> yes! i was looking at that earlier, i might grab some and try and find someone with a machine to do a test piece, cant go wrong for 6quid
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[01:10] <Lunar_Lander> what are you trying to do?
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[01:11] <NigeyS> ahh top secret ;)
[01:11] <Lunar_Lander> XD
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[01:26] <Martin1000> hi can anyone help me out with setting up dl-fldigi? I've got the waterfall with two well defined yellow bands but I can't see any data (sending out alternate 1/0) ?
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[08:14] <nosebleed_> Hi all
[08:15] <nosebleed_> can you read me? Im using a webclient to connect
[08:18] <zyp> I can't hear you, you have to write louder
[08:19] <nosebleed_> :)
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[08:44] <earthshine> Morning
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[09:04] <eroomde> NigelMoby: ping
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[10:14] <nosebleedkt_> http://webchat.freenode.net/ is pretty cool
[10:19] <russss> irccloud.com is better :)
[10:19] <russss> (I have an invite if you want)
[10:20] <Darkside> irssi is better
[10:21] <nosebleedkt_> ehmm
[10:24] <fsphil> hmm, the bot is broke again
[10:25] <fsphil> prediction for tomorrow: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=ea75825e291eea5f294f5f59f6afb10e80bab2fa
[10:25] <fsphil> still potentially windy on the ground, but I'm gonna try anyway
[10:28] <fsphil> still haven't received the battery holders either
[10:30] <daveake> I'm trying tomorrow too :)
[10:30] <daveake> Just getting Buzz back to life right now
[10:31] <daveake> BBC says 11-12mph at ground for here
[10:32] <fsphil> 16mph here, but it's been that for a while and I haven't noticed any big gusts when outside
[10:32] <eroomde> a python script that tells you if python is installed on your computer. possible?
[10:32] <number10> is it Buzz you are sending up - electroncs but differnt box?
[10:33] <number10> would have to make it a .exe - but I am no python expert
[10:34] <daveake> Yes, different box. One with some level of insulation :)
[10:35] <eroomde> i was just thinking something like: print "yes"
[10:39] <number10> well that would work - since if python not installed it wouldnt run
[10:40] <daveake> On the assumption that Buzz has timed out for spacenear, could some kind person change the validity period for Buzz for me? No other changes.
[10:40] <daveake> Meanwhile, I'm off into town to collect the helium cylinder. Hopefully the Lassen will have lock by the time I get back :p
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[10:41] <number10> you comming back tomorrow?
[10:41] <fsphil> lol
[10:41] <daveake> LMAO
[10:41] <natrium42> XD
[10:42] <daveake> For the purpose of furthering scientific knowledge, I experimented by connecting the Lassen in reverse.
[10:42] <number10> :)
[10:42] <Darkside> you wished to study the magic blue smoke?
[10:42] <daveake> No smoke ensued, fortunately :)
[10:44] <daveake> Blimey. Lock.
[10:44] <daveake> Ooh and on the map. Cooking with gas.
[10:45] <gonzo_> not hydregeon I hope
[10:45] <daveake> Happy days. Back later after the He acquisition.
[10:45] <gonzo_> can't cook with He2
[10:45] <daveake> True
[10:46] <gonzo_> an imminent launch?
[10:46] <daveake> Tomorrow 9am
[10:48] <gonzo_> Nice.
[10:49] <daveake> It might actually BE 9am too ... I need to book a chunnel train for the chase :D so timing may be crucial
[10:49] <daveake> (which means, we'll have to launch then leg it)
[10:50] <number10> will you upload GPS position of chase?
[10:50] <daveake> oh yus
[10:51] <number10> excellent - we can see where you are speeding ;)
[10:51] <daveake> LOL
[10:51] <daveake> Remind me to massage those GPS numbers before upload ....
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[10:58] <gonzo_> I should be able to follow it most of the way (on radio)
[10:59] <gonzo_> the back of the speeding ticket does say that any device based on gps cann;t be used as evidence to contest the charge
[10:59] <gonzo_> so that also must be that they cann't use it as evidence to procicute
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[12:01] <NigelMoby> Hm
[12:01] <NigelMoby> pong eroomde
[12:03] <eroomde> NigelMoby: yo
[12:03] <NigelMoby> hey
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[12:08] <hibby> cool components xmas mailing list has nice toys in it
[12:08] <hibby> http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=50a777ece60b8378f4f652ac4&id=fb5e2d950b&e=2e77f7cb46
[12:10] <NigelMoby> Oo
[12:11] <NigelMoby> how's hibby?
[12:14] <fsphil> mmmm.. moar birthday cake. love this office sometimes :)
[12:15] <fsphil> woo, according to UPS my battery holders have been delivered
[12:18] <NigelMoby> cake?
[12:18] <hibby> in a meeting, just swung by to share that :)
[12:18] <hibby> we have cheese and biscuits as we're having a nice day
[12:19] <NigelMoby> lol I want cake!!
[12:19] <NigelMoby> Fsphil give me more cake !!!
[12:19] <fsphil> chocolate cake too
[12:20] <fsphil> and they've bought a big multipack of pepsi
[12:22] <NigelMoby> Meh
[12:25] <fsphil> almost makes up for being stuck here all last sunday
[12:26] <NigelMoby> Hehe you did it for the love really
[12:28] <fsphil> nah, did it to pay for all this helium :)
[12:30] <fsphil> I've a bad helium habit now
[12:34] <NigelMoby> lol
[12:43] <daveake> Yeah, it gets bad when you're on first name terms with your dealer :)
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[14:07] <Zuph> Morning, #highaltitude
[14:08] <NigeyS> morning Brad
[14:09] <NigeyS> oh dear, looks like Katla is about to blow it's top :|
[14:09] <Dan-K2VOL> is that your boss?
[14:09] <Dan-K2VOL> :-P
[14:09] <NigeyS> haha behave! :p morning Dan :)
[14:10] <NigeyS> "There have been more than 500 tremors in and around the caldera of Katla just in the last month, which suggests the motion of magma. And that certainly suggests an eruption may be imminent."
[14:11] <Dan-K2VOL> oh nice, we'll go ahead and send a sampling balloon
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[14:11] <fsphil> yay, more aircraft grounded
[14:12] <daveake> So long as eurotunnel are still running :)
[14:13] <NigeyS> lol
[14:14] <NigeyS> Dan-K2VOL, not a bad idea ;)
[14:14] <Dan-K2VOL> heh, methinks that SpeedBall would disagree with you
[14:14] <NigeyS> haha true, lets not sacrifice poor SpeedBall!
[14:15] <Dan-K2VOL> :-p
[14:15] <NigeyS> we'll send picochu but he may not get high enough if the last flight is anything to go by lol
[14:15] <Dan-K2VOL> hehe
[14:15] <NigeyS> what a wet fart that was :(
[14:15] <daveake> No danger of getting caught in an ash cloud
[14:15] <NigeyS> more danger of getting caught in a flock of sheep i think dave lol
[14:15] <Dan-K2VOL> I saw thunder clouds extending up to 40,000 ft on the trans-atlantic track map last night
[14:16] <Dan-K2VOL> that would be crackers for a ZP balloon
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[14:17] <NigeyS> 40,000 :o
[14:18] <fsphil> what's that in real measurements?
[14:18] <NigeyS> err, trying to think now..lol
[14:19] <NigeyS> 2.5cm to an inch .......
[14:19] <NigeyS> nope, brain dead...
[14:19] <fsphil> 12km
[14:19] <fsphil> yikes
[14:19] <fsphil> that is tall
[14:19] <NigeyS> that's bloody huge
[14:19] <fsphil> We got some thundersnow here last year, though I missed it
[14:20] <fsphil> wonder if we'll get the same this winter
[14:20] <NigeyS> we dont have many here, not sure why? :(
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[14:20] <fsphil> wrong climate
[14:20] <fsphil> a thunderstorm is a pretty special event here :)
[14:21] <fsphil> I think it needs warm ground to create the updrafts
[14:21] <fsphil> the ground doesn't get very warm here
[14:22] <NigeyS> hah warm ground in wales, ure tripping!
[14:22] <Dan-K2VOL> ahh yes, and what you have is warm stable air from the ocean
[14:22] <Dan-K2VOL> correct?
[14:22] <fsphil> yea
[14:22] <fsphil> there's very little lightning over the ocean
[14:22] <Dan-K2VOL> (well warmer than it would be if you weren't in the gulf stream)
[14:22] <fsphil> generally when we get thunder, the wind is coming from the south
[14:23] <NigeyS> isnt it the gulf stream that keeps britain fairly warm, compared to the same latitudes in canada ?
[14:23] <fsphil> yea
[14:23] Action: NigeyS hugs the gulf stream
[14:23] <fsphil> we're further north than st.johns and they literally get buried in snow each winter
[14:23] <NigeyS> and they got polar bears!
[14:23] <fsphil> heck even new york gets more snow than us
[14:23] <fsphil> they do!
[14:24] <NigeyS> climate science = black magic i'm telling ya
[14:24] <fsphil> it's been a really mild winter so far
[14:24] <fsphil> very few frosts and we're at december
[14:24] <NigeyS> yeah its been oddly warm
[14:25] <NigeyS> im still wearing t-shirts to the shop, normally im in a fleece this time of year :|
[14:25] <fsphil> a bit colder up here but not much
[14:25] <NigeyS> we'll prolly get 5 ft of snow in january to make up for it now you watch lol
[14:25] <fsphil> lol
[14:25] <NigeyS> and no doubt we'll once again run out of salt
[14:26] <daveake> Ireland has all the salt
[14:26] <NigeyS> bah give it back phil !
[14:26] <fsphil> muhaha
[14:26] <daveake> It's there's!
[14:26] <NigeyS> doesnt the uk have 1 of the largest / deepest salt mines in europe? how the hell do we keep running out?!
[14:26] <fsphil> yea I didn't know that until recently, most of it comes from here
[14:26] <daveake> Comes from underground near Dublin IIRC
[14:27] <Dan-K2VOL> oh gents, the In Reach is coming along very nicely
[14:27] <fsphil> excellent </mr.burns>
[14:27] <Dan-K2VOL> hehehe
[14:28] <Dan-K2VOL> turns out they use no passcode to pair with the bluetooth,
[14:28] <Dan-K2VOL> and it will pair with your comptuer no problem
[14:28] <Dan-K2VOL> creates a serial port
[14:28] <NigeyS> thats nice and err...unsecure? :|
[14:28] <Zuph> sweet
[14:28] <Dan-K2VOL> running 38400 baud :-)
[14:28] <Zuph> also, not surprising :-p
[14:28] <Dan-K2VOL> immediately starts spewing it's status to you
[14:28] <Dan-K2VOL> waiting for your command
[14:28] <NigeyS> schweeeet
[14:28] <NigeyS> "Sit"
[14:28] <NigeyS> nope, not working Dan...
[14:30] <Dan-K2VOL> hehe
[14:30] <fsphil> can it be wired directly?
[14:30] <Dan-K2VOL> yes
[14:30] <fsphil> sans-bluetooth?
[14:30] <NigeyS> sorry im in a hyper mood again, to much caffeine!
[14:30] <Dan-K2VOL> working on that protocol too fsphil
[14:30] <Dan-K2VOL> got lots of that documented already too
[14:31] <Dan-K2VOL> but you basically have another protocol packet wrapped around the same data
[14:31] <fsphil> it sounds like the perfect device for long range tracking
[14:31] <Dan-K2VOL> it really does :-)
[14:31] <fsphil> how much data can you push through it?
[14:31] <fsphil> little images? :)
[14:31] <NigeyS> hah phils thinking ssdv already look :p
[14:32] <Dan-K2VOL> if any of you would like to follow the actual details we have a private google group and google docs folder I can share with anyone who likes, just email me a request at steamfire@gmail.com
[14:32] <Zuph> hah, all the images you can cram into 140 bytes :-p
[14:32] <fsphil> sounds like a challenge
[14:32] <Dan-K2VOL> well, sadly not even that
[14:32] <fsphil> I've done single-packet ssdv images :) 200 bytes
[14:32] <fsphil> sure they where awful...
[14:32] <Dan-K2VOL> roughly 158 printable MIME characters
[14:33] <NigeyS> wow ive heard of thumbnail images but that takes the biscuit :|
[14:33] <fsphil> would sending more than one packet for a larger image be practical?
[14:33] <fsphil> probably expensive?
[14:34] <Dan-K2VOL> probably, but the messages are rate limited, presumably by contract with Iridium to not saturate their network
[14:34] <fsphil> ah, that kills it
[14:34] <Dan-K2VOL> well, we haven't established the rate yet :-)
[14:35] <NigeyS> dan..
[14:35] <NigeyS> just a thought
[14:35] <NigeyS> when the ballon gets here..
[14:35] <NigeyS> are you coming over to retrieve it ?
[14:36] <Dan-K2VOL> NigeyS, unfortunately I paid for the balloon's crossing and can't afford my own :-/
[14:37] <Dan-K2VOL> but I am planning to visit next year for two weeks!
[14:37] <NigeyS> ah that sucks, if it land in wales i'll fly you and brad over myself!
[14:37] <Zuph> hah
[14:37] <Dan-K2VOL> just not right when the balloon does
[14:37] <fsphil> if it lands near here I'm certainly up for recovering it
[14:37] <NigeyS> oo 2 weeks, awsome, come and see the sheep!
[14:38] <Dan-K2VOL> I definitely will come to see as many of you guys as I can, I may try to do it for the UKHAS conference next year
[14:38] <NigeyS> schweet!
[14:38] <Dan-K2VOL> and going to wander about Europe, it's not often you can get across the ocean
[14:38] <NigeyS> fsphil, no you cant hold it for randsome phil! :p
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[14:38] <Zuph> NigeyS: Heard a news story last week comparing Appalachian Kentucky to Wales 20 years ago.
[14:38] <Dan-K2VOL> hehe, I'll just let the Smithsonian pay that for their display
[14:38] <Dan-K2VOL> :-P
[14:38] <daveake> fsphil ... if you get a float do you want me to stay on the continent and go chase for you? ;)
[14:39] <Dan-K2VOL> only 20?
[14:39] <NigeyS> Zuph, dam, is that good or bad? lol
[14:39] <fsphil> daveake, totally :D
[14:40] <Zuph> heh, Not sure, Appalachia today is riddled with destructive mining companies ruining the environment, desperate poverty, and drug abuse.
[14:40] <daveake> Excellent. I shall spend some time thinking of a suitable ransom figure. £10,000 or the GPS "gets it"
[14:40] <NigeyS> Zuph, sounds like a grand tour of the welsh valleys haha!
[14:40] <NigeyS> only 10k dave? :p
[14:41] <Dan-K2VOL> haha
[14:41] <fsphil> it's only worth about £50 :p
[14:41] <daveake> Less if it's a Lassen
[14:41] <NigeyS> oh hell if its a lassen leave it there!
[14:41] <daveake> lol
[14:42] <fsphil> it's not a howyeeryeyee balloon, so not likely to float
[14:42] <daveake> Ah yes. Totex. I remember now. Mine is a hwooowowowyee
[14:44] <NigeyS> have we figured out why the howyeeeeehaaaaa balloons float yet ? difference in materials or anything?
[14:47] <Dan-K2VOL> with the extra vowels, there's not enough consonants pointy shapes in the name to cause a proper burst
[14:48] <NigeyS> lol
[14:49] <fsphil> they're made in wales?
[14:49] <NigeyS> oi! :p
[14:50] <NigeyS> mae ddim c ag hychydig beth dros ben lafariaid a stwffia!
[14:51] <WillDuckworth> i didn't think south walian's could speak welsh ;)
[14:51] <Zuph> NigeyS: Gesundheit.
[14:51] <NigeyS> WillDuckworth, we can't .. not much anyway heh
[14:52] <NigeyS> Zuph, fi ll ca 'n ddau blesio
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[15:27] <SamSilver> kelw flight > http://www.gizmag.com/solar-elhaspa-makes-first-flight/20685/
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[15:50] <NigeyS> hey jcoxon
[15:52] <SamSilver> jcoxon: have you seen this > http://www.gizmag.com/pacx-wave-gliders-crossing-pacific/20562/picture/148300/
[15:53] Nick change: SamSilver -> SamSilver_
[15:53] <jcoxon> hey NigeyS
[15:53] <jcoxon> SamSilver_, yeah i have
[15:53] <jcoxon> very cool
[15:53] <NigeyS> how's things James ?
[15:54] <jcoxon> on nights
[15:54] <NigeyS> eek :(
[15:54] <jcoxon> been okay for the past 2
[15:54] <SamSilver_> very cool indeed
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[16:00] <Matt_soton> afternoon
[16:01] <NigeyS> hi Matt
[16:01] <Matt_soton> anyone able to put payloads onto fldigi?
[16:06] <Upu> Hi Matt
[16:06] <Upu> best bet is create the document and link it pastebin style here
[16:06] <Matt_soton> ok
[16:06] <Matt_soton> the other thing is how do you describe mutliple baud rates?
[16:06] <Matt_soton> adam's thing only has space for one baud
[16:07] <Matt_soton> transmitter1: http://pastebin.com/rH2cNPFS
[16:07] <Matt_soton> transmitter2: http://pastebin.com/fhiSRYKD
[16:11] <Upu> daveake you got a prediction for tommorrow ?
[16:11] <Upu> just doing spacenear.us for you
[16:12] <jonsowman> Matt_soton: you can't set fldigi to multiple baud rates
[16:12] <Matt_soton> :\
[16:12] <Matt_soton> apex did
[16:12] <Matt_soton> with that switch button
[16:12] <jonsowman> well, kind of
[16:13] <jonsowman> i think that switch button was a release just for apex that james did the night before
[16:13] <Matt_soton> was that a horrible bodge that hasnt been implemented in habitit?
[16:13] <jonsowman> well it was an fldigi bodge really
[16:13] <fsphil> wasn't it done for wb8elk's multimode flights?
[16:14] <Upu> daveake I did one here : http://goo.gl/wTPQn
[16:14] <jonsowman> maybe originally
[16:15] <fsphil> anyways, why not stick to a single baud rate? :)
[16:15] <Matt_soton> well alpha was a mixed 300/50, and 300 was fine for most of it, and is best when driving
[16:15] <Matt_soton> but as it went over the horizon you could only dcode 50
[16:16] <Upu> there we go daveake when you come back
[16:16] <Matt_soton> mind you 50 being the backup its rarely needed
[16:16] <fsphil> I was worried about using 300 at first but I've found it to be fine
[16:17] <Matt_soton> well i have a 1:15 50:300 baud transmit ratio, so 50 is only the backup
[16:18] <fsphil> not so bad
[16:18] <fsphil> I suppose fldigi can be configured to 300
[16:18] <fsphil> people who need 50 can switch manually?
[16:19] <eroomde> chaps. any ideas for a good OS for an old panasonic toughbook, 800MHz P3, 512MB ram?
[16:19] <eroomde> only needs minimalest of guids, main job will be in shell
[16:19] <eroomde> guis*
[16:19] <jonsowman> arch?
[16:20] <Matt_soton> win 95
[16:20] <jonsowman> lol
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[16:20] <Upu> Windows 95
[16:20] <eroomde> say again chaps?
[16:20] <fsphil> uh-oh
[16:20] <Upu> or some flavour of linux
[16:21] <eroomde> yeah i was thinking a flavour of linux
[16:21] <Upu> Thought tbh
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[16:21] <fsphil> openwrt -- for the absolute minimum
[16:21] <jonsowman> arch linux or xubuntu
[16:21] <Upu> bet 50p it has "Designed for windows 95" on it
[16:21] <Upu> * or 98
[16:21] <eroomde> arch was on the list but it might be more of a project than i want
[16:22] <eroomde> do you thinking xubuntu xubuntu too much?
[16:22] <fsphil> what about one of the bsd's?
[16:22] <eroomde> whoops
[16:22] <eroomde> not sure why i typed that twice
[16:22] <eroomde> do you think xubuntu would be too much?
[16:22] <Upu> if you want it to just work put Windows on it
[16:23] <eroomde> well the hardware is so ancient i was thinking/hoping the linux kernel might have even better support
[16:23] <eroomde> plus i'm lost without a decent shell
[16:24] <Upu> Just some light Linux distribution then
[16:24] <Upu> do you needa GUI ?
[16:24] <eroomde> would be helpful for some things yep
[16:25] <eroomde> want to do some basic plotting and visulaisation in the field
[16:25] <eroomde> i'll try xubuntu
[16:29] <Zuph> Lubuntu is another good choice
[16:29] <Zuph> eroomde
[16:30] <Zuph> Crunchbang is also good, if you can do without the massive ubuntu repos.
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[17:03] <eroomde> Zuph: thanks
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[17:14] <Dan-K2VOL> haha eroomde, I am actually configuring just such a machine to run windows XP for actual use! talk about cheapskates
[17:14] <Dan-K2VOL> not for me to use thankfully, but some poor locksmith will be
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[17:58] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jonsowman!jonsowman@kryten.hexoc.com: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk - hadie:4 launch ~1000UTC 03/12/11 from An-Creagan, N.Ireland
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[18:10] <chembrow> evening
[18:10] <NigeyS> evening chembrow
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[19:00] <SUPAD> Hello people :)
[19:01] <SUPAD> I just discovered http://spacenear.us/tracker/ and came here by curiosity
[19:01] <chembrow> hi supad
[19:01] <SUPAD> everyone is interested in sending stuff in high altitude here ?
[19:02] <chembrow> pretty much
[19:03] <SUPAD> nice
[19:04] <hibby> being the high altitude society give it away
[19:04] <hibby> we're only nominally from the uk
[19:05] <SUPAD> well, i'm from France, i have to go now but i'll come back later, maybe to plan with you my invasion in UK from nearspace :p
[19:07] <hibby> lol
[19:10] <daveake> France, you say. Busy tomorrow? :p
[19:10] <NigeyS> lol
[19:10] <daveake> SUPAD watch the skies tomorrow for an invasion force :)
[19:14] <SUPAD> daveake : u're the Buzz sender ?
[19:15] <SUPAD> http://groups.google.com/group/ukhas/browse_thread/thread/3216ba857b0c9562?pli=1 => yes u are :)
[19:15] <SUPAD> well, i would love to help but
[19:15] <SUPAD> 1- i got not car
[19:15] <SUPAD> 2- i live in paris
[19:16] <SUPAD> 3- i have no idea how all this radio community works
[19:16] <daveake> I'm here on behalf of the Intergalactic Alliance, yes :)
[19:16] <SUPAD> ehehe
[19:16] <daveake> Don't worry, everything is in hand :)
[19:16] <NigeyS> thats ok, im sure can land it on the eifel tower for you
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[19:17] <SUPAD> if u do so, please, e-mail me at supad@supad.net, i'll gladly take it for u :)
[19:17] <SUPAD> have to go now, c ya guys :)
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[19:25] <fsphil> the buzz sender :)
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[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:33] <daveake> To the coast, and beyond
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[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> hi daveake
[19:34] <fsphil> I wonder which will burst first daveake
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil
[19:34] <fsphil> assuming I launch on time buzz will already be up an hour
[19:34] <fsphil> but it's a much bigger balloon
[19:35] <daveake> and made of chinese lubber
[19:35] <fsphil> aah the balloon that just won't burst
[19:35] <Dan-K2VOL> it does run on energizers doesn't it
[19:36] <fsphil> shame I don't have some kind of receiver on board hadie - be nice to have inter-balloon comms
[19:37] <fsphil> speaking of energiser...
[19:38] <daveake> I thought I'd have to go buy some ... couldn't find any here aside from 4 from an opened packet. I was pretty sure they were new and they measure over 1.8V, but wasn't 100 certain ...
[19:38] <daveake> .... then I find my hidden box of stuff :)
[19:39] <fsphil> love those boxes of stuff
[19:39] <fsphil> I've a box with battery holders in them somewhere, no idea where
[19:39] <daveake> Just missing the netbook car charger now.
[19:39] <fsphil> had to buy more
[19:40] <gonzo_> same problem here, but done with sheds
[19:40] <fsphil> lol
[19:42] <chembrow> Hope they stay up for a while tomorrow, I've got to source a ladder and antenna mast and put my antenna up in the morning
[19:42] <fsphil> all my rechargeable batteries are in the hidden mystery box of lostness
[19:42] <gonzo_> not lost, just put safe somehwere
[19:42] <fsphil> I must remember to call atc later
[19:43] <gonzo_> what's the prediction for tomorrow?
[19:43] <fsphil> the extreme: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=b19fb29bdd8f36407e2e86464e24594128b99f1e
[19:44] <fsphil> more likely: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=ea75825e291eea5f294f5f59f6afb10e80bab2fa
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[19:44] <fsphil> Not sure what ascent rate to fill it
[19:45] <fsphil> to
[19:45] <fsphil> I'll probably aim for 4m/s
[19:46] <gonzo_> fly early morning?
[19:47] <daveake> I hope you're putting a label on it, in English and in Yorkshire
[19:47] <fsphil> yea, 10am launch
[19:47] <fsphil> Yorkshireish?
[19:47] <gonzo_> hehe
[19:47] <gonzo_> at least it's not going over wales, that would complicate the signage
[19:48] <daveake> "If fahn' please call uz on ...."
[19:48] <daveake> You need a long long label for Wales
[19:48] <gonzo_> and if it comes in over lancashire airspace, they will stop it at the border
[19:49] <daveake> yep
[19:50] <fsphil> the notice actually says hadie:3 -- I forgot to change it
[19:51] <gonzo_> dave, what freq are you on tomorrow?
[19:52] <fsphil> hmm.. I've lost the remote t'telly
[19:52] <gonzo_> no great loss, there's probably the important button on the set itself
[19:53] <fsphil> found it
[19:53] <fsphil> but it's bad when you hop through 50 channels and still don't find anything to watch
[19:55] <gonzo_> sorry, I should have posted that last questio to you phil. What freq?
[19:55] <gonzo_> you only need the red button
[19:55] <fsphil> I'm on 434.075, dave is on 434.650
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[19:55] <gonzo_> rrr
[19:55] <fsphil> can I ask a favour, if someone can make a recording of the signal
[19:55] <fsphil> I'm sending some test packets and I'd like to see how they decode at distance
[19:56] <gonzo_> Will try
[19:56] <fsphil> they're basically position packets, but with lots of FEC
[19:58] <fsphil> "wind's picking up overnight, and will be a breezy day tomorrow"
[19:58] <fsphil> I'm nuts :)
[19:58] <gonzo_> it's a required qualification for being here!
[19:59] <gonzo_> Trying to work out of I can manage to put radios on for both flights
[20:00] <fsphil> I'm wondering that myself
[20:00] <fsphil> after launch I may be heading up the mountain, I should get a good signal from both
[20:01] <fsphil> the funcube dongle might get overloaded without a filter, but I've got the ft790
[20:01] <gonzo_> depends on what's in the area
[20:01] <gonzo_> you have a direcvtional antenna?
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[20:02] <fsphil> two yagis and a phasing harness, I'm going to have them pointed towards yorkshire
[20:02] <fsphil> also got a vertical whip for the car, that might be enough to hear buzz
[20:03] <daveake> I just have one receiver so that will be in the car with me :)
[20:03] <gonzo_> may cut out any overloading sigs on the FCD
[20:03] <gonzo_> and the tune of the antenna may have some filtering effect
[20:04] <fsphil> spectravue is quite hard on the laptop though
[20:04] <fsphil> shame fldigi can't use the dongle directly
[20:05] <fsphil> I'll try the 790 -- i've got a usb sound thingy, can have two captures at once
[20:05] <gonzo_> I only have the one set of antennas, so will have to decide or swap when the two get to far apary in azemuth
[20:05] <chembrow> is the funcube dongle any good?
[20:05] <gonzo_> The fcd should appear like a sound card, so should be able to select it directly
[20:05] <fsphil> best to track whichever one is falling
[20:06] <gonzo_> and use the fchid for the ctrl
[20:06] <fsphil> I did that once gonzo_ but the waterfall was very quiet
[20:06] <fsphil> the signal was there but only just
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[20:06] <fsphil> hamlib supports the funcube dongle so it even tunes from within fldigi
[20:06] <gonzo_> rgr, I suspect dave is going to need some help as there are not many statiosn in france
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[20:06] <fsphil> but the frequency was off
[20:07] <fsphil> yea
[20:07] <gonzo_> pos needed some adjustment in the stages, in fchid?
[20:07] <gonzo_> The fcd really needs an LNA
[20:08] <gonzo_> it's not that sensitive
[20:08] <fsphil> it might, I should probably have tried that
[20:09] <gonzo_> from memory, I found I had toreduce first mixer gain and increase the first amp
[20:10] <fsphil> chembrow, very nifty devices yea
[20:10] <fsphil> but need to be used along with filtering
[20:11] <fsphil> strong nearby signals make them a bit deaf
[20:11] <chembrow> how do you use it with fldigi if not as a usb soundard? does it have a HID interface to configure it?
[20:11] <fsphil> yep
[20:11] <fsphil> little program called qthid controls it
[20:12] <fsphil> and something like spectravue to get the audio that fldigi can use
[20:12] <gonzo_> worth putting it on the 433.92meg and tweaking the stages
[20:12] <chembrow> cool. I was tempted by one to replace my rather clunky AR8000
[20:13] <gonzo_> hey are a useful little device, but have limitations
[20:13] <fsphil> I've used mine to track radiosondes
[20:13] <fsphil> never used it to track a proper flight yet
[20:14] <chembrow> really I think I'm looking for an FT-817, but they're a little rich for me at the moment :)
[20:14] <fsphil> they're great
[20:14] <fsphil> I use mine more than the 857 at the moment
[20:15] <chembrow> I want something that will work for satellites and packet, it seems the best way to go
[20:16] <fsphil> if I ever get my al/az tracker made I might try satellites :)
[20:16] <gonzo_> the pnly prob with the 817 is that it won't do full duplex
[20:17] <gonzo_> sor sats
[20:17] <gonzo_> for
[20:17] <fsphil> what radio can?
[20:17] <gonzo_> icom 910 and FT847
[20:17] <chembrow> what are the limitations of not being able to do full duplex?
[20:17] <gonzo_> shame the 847 is nolonger made
[20:18] <gonzo_> if you are trying to use the analogue satellites, you really aneed to listen to your own downlink
[20:18] <gonzo_> the time delay fries the brain though
[20:18] <chembrow> I'm mostly interested in digital modes
[20:22] <gonzo_> if you are using analigue sattlites for any mode, you would want to have full duplex.
[20:23] <gonzo_> straight digital or FM sats, you can get away with half duplex
[20:23] <gonzo_> the 817 is still a very useable radio
[20:26] <fsphil> I've had a couple of digital qso's on HF with the 817
[20:26] <fsphil> there really isn't enough VHF/UHF around here for anything else though
[20:27] <fsphil> other areas will be different
[20:27] <fsphil> also I'm really bad at talking on the radio :)
[20:28] <daveake> I see Upu is on the move :)
[20:29] <fsphil> off to mcdonalds I bet
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[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> hi GW8RAK
[20:40] <GW8RAK> Hi Lunar_Lander
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[20:41] <GW8RAK> Getting better. Not too stressed tonight. Got a lesson to prepare for
[20:44] <Upu> oh is it working ?
[20:45] <Upu> testing for tommorrow
[20:45] <daveake> :)
[20:46] <daveake> I see you're uploading altitude and heading as well as position and speed
[20:50] <Upu> am I ?
[20:50] <Upu> Indeed :)
[20:50] <Upu> sorry just lost my phone but at least I knew I'd not left it at work
[20:50] <Upu> :)
[20:50] <Upu> left it in the car
[20:50] <daveake> :)
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> which lesson GW8RAK?
[20:52] <GW8RAK> Radio Communications Security for the Air Cadets
[20:54] <Upu> [20:30] <fsphil> off to mcdonalds I bet
[20:54] <Upu> no forgot netbook at work :/
[20:56] <fsphil> ack
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> sounds interesting GW8RAK
[20:58] <GW8RAK> Not really:) Must have done it 20 times!
[20:59] <GW8RAK> But got a decent bunch of cadets just coming in.
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> ah you are the teacher?
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[21:02] <GW8RAK> I teach radio comms to the local air cadet squadron. Kids from 13 to 18 with an interest in the Air Force
[21:03] <gonzo_> just realised a problem with using the FCD directly with the fldigi
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
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[21:03] <gonzo_> the stereo fcd output is IQ
[21:03] <gonzo_> the fldigi prog won't demod those
[21:04] <fsphil> suspect that was part of my problem
[21:04] <fsphil> I was able to decode rtty through it but only just
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[21:04] <gonzo_> just set mine up, same symptoms
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[21:05] <GW8RAK> fsphil, is the data out from the fcd only meant to be used with it's own software, i.e. not compatible with anything else?
[21:06] <fsphil> it's standard I/Q stereo
[21:06] <fsphil> a lot of SDR software programs can handle it
[21:06] <fsphil> it just appears as a sound card basically
[21:06] <GW8RAK> Okay, thanks
[21:07] <fsphil> there is no real specific software other than the control panel
[21:07] <gonzo_> GW8RAK, a friend is helping the atc somewhere in the bangor area to put together an ax25net on vhf
[21:07] <GW8RAK> Bangor? NI or Wales?
[21:07] <gonzo_> wales
[21:08] <GW8RAK> Oh, haven't heard of that. But they are a strange lot over that way :)
[21:08] <gonzo_> hehe, agreed!
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> he meant Bangor, Maine
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:09] <gonzo_> both
[21:09] <GW8RAK> Will have to make contact with them and find out who is doing what. I put a repeater in at the start of the year and with 2 exceptions, no-one has used it.
[21:09] <GW8RAK> Apathetic bunch.
[21:09] <gonzo_> yep, happens
[21:09] <GW8RAK> Where are you based?
[21:09] <gonzo_> I'm poole, dorset
[21:10] <GW8RAK> I remember you saying now.
[21:10] <gonzo_> I'll PM you the guy's wmail address
[21:10] <GW8RAK> Thanks, that would be good. Comms is really poor.
[21:11] <GW8RAK> We have our own internal email system, but few squadrons use it.
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[21:49] <Dan-K2VOL> hey all
[21:50] <Dan-K2VOL> any habitat people around?
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[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> hey Dan-K2VOL
[21:51] <Dan-K2VOL> hi Lunar_Lander
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[22:01] <Dutch-Mill> Ping benoxley
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[23:40] <NigeyS> ping any intelligent life
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[23:43] <gonzo_> no one here but us chickens
[23:50] <NigelMoby> pong
[23:52] <Upu> night all
[00:00] --- Sat Dec 3 2011