highaltitude.log.20111125

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[07:28] <costyn> ola
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[07:29] <Darkside> ola
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[07:58] <fsphil> alo
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[08:05] <SamSilver> hello hello hello what's going on here?
[08:05] <SpeedEvil> I am up and waiting for my exciting tribunal today.
[08:05] <SpeedEvil> Meh.
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[08:14] <SamSilver> SpeedEvil: how about our freash-air inlet pipe (6inch) running inside your stale-air outlet pipe (15inch say)?
[08:16] <SpeedEvil> ?
[08:16] <SpeedEvil> You mean the heat exchanger discussion of several days ago?
[08:16] <SpeedEvil> That doesn't work - it's not going to equalise in temperature in any reasonable distance.
[08:17] <SpeedEvil> And in principle, you need to insulate the outlet pipe.
[08:17] <SpeedEvil> Otherwise it loses most of its heat to the air before it can warm the inlet air.
[08:17] <SamSilver> you going to run the next to each other
[08:18] <SpeedEvil> The idea (current) is:
[08:18] <SpeedEvil> Take two pipes, packed with heat exchange media (for example, pea-gravel).
[08:18] <SpeedEvil> The outlet air flows out through one, the intake air flows in through the other.
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[08:19] <SpeedEvil> Now, every 30s (or so), the pipes are switched with valves.
[08:19] <SpeedEvil> So the airflow turns around.
[08:19] <SpeedEvil> This means that a temperature gradient forms in the heat exchange media - hot at the house end, cold at the outside end.
[08:20] <SpeedEvil> And heat is efficiently conserved.
[08:20] <SamSilver> got it
[08:20] <SamSilver> how long are the pipes?
[08:20] <SpeedEvil> The key is to change the airflow over fast enough that the media does not swing much in temperature.
[08:21] <SpeedEvil> It depends on the optimisation. Finer media means the heat exchange is more efficient, but the pressure drop and pumping losses are higher.
[08:21] <SpeedEvil> Coarser media mean longer pipes, but also longer cycle times, possibly reducing valve noise.
[08:21] <SpeedEvil> And less likelyhood of channeling.
[08:22] <SamSilver> channeling being .....?
[08:22] <SamSilver> the airfow following the same path and not evenly dispersed
[08:22] <SpeedEvil> yes
[08:23] <SpeedEvil> The 'right' way to do this is with media with lots of channels in it, so flow is perfect.
[08:23] <SamSilver> I see you have put some thought and research into this.
[08:23] <SpeedEvil> However, that's expensive.
[08:23] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[08:23] <SpeedEvil> The major issue with this is that it may not adequately dehumidify.
[08:23] <SamSilver> I live in a temprate climate
[08:24] <SamSilver> Yes of course condensation will play a part
[08:25] <SamSilver> and then evaporation
[08:25] <SpeedEvil> Here it was below 0 (c) for 5 weeks last year.
[08:25] <costyn> interesting; what was the initial goal / problem to solve for this heat exchange mechanism?
[08:25] <SamSilver> $
[08:26] <SamSilver> loot
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[08:26] <SamSilver> dosh
[08:26] <SamSilver> bucks
[08:26] <SpeedEvil> yeah.
[08:26] <costyn> regaining waste heat from your house heating system?
[08:26] <SamSilver> saving of
[08:26] <SamSilver> heating bill
[08:26] <SpeedEvil> I'm upgrading my house insulation from basically nothing to ~10cm of kingspan-or-similar.
[08:27] <SpeedEvil> And making the house - ideally - a completely sealed box.
[08:27] <SpeedEvil> However, once you do this, in order to ventilate properly, you need some way of getting rid of stale air.
[08:28] <costyn> I've been looking into installing a heat exchanger on my waste water drain
[08:29] <SpeedEvil> In some cases that's interesting.
[08:29] <SpeedEvil> Shower + mixer - it can work very well.
[08:30] <SpeedEvil> I'm pondering silly solutions ATM.
[08:30] <SpeedEvil> For example - a large(ish) air-source heatpump, running off cheap-rate electricity.
[08:31] <costyn> are air-source heatpumps worth it? for heating in the winter I mean
[08:32] <SpeedEvil> It depends.
[08:33] <SpeedEvil> With an earth-tube, certainly.
[08:33] <costyn> earth-tube = ground-source right?
[08:33] <SpeedEvil> Without, perhaps.
[08:33] <SpeedEvil> earth tube = air -ground heat exchanger
[08:34] <costyn> wait... so you "heat" air by passing it through the ground?
[08:34] <SpeedEvil> Without, the COP - and the delivered power can drop lots.
[08:34] <SpeedEvil> yes
[08:34] <costyn> COP?
[08:34] <SpeedEvil> bury a (say) 30cm dia pipe 3m down, for 20m.
[08:34] <SpeedEvil> The air coming out of it is lots warmer - in the winter - than ambient.
[08:34] <SpeedEvil> Coefficient of performance.
[08:35] <SpeedEvil> how many watts the heatpump outputs per watt input.
[08:35] <costyn> rigt
[08:35] <SpeedEvil> It varies from about 5 in decent heatpumps in the summer to about 2.5 at -10C.
[08:35] <costyn> ok
[08:36] <costyn> 3m down is quite a bit of digging to do unfortunatley
[08:37] <SpeedEvil> But if you take a heatpump - even at a COP of 2 - run it on night-rate electricity into a large thermal store - in principle, you've now got heat at considerably cheaper rate than gas.
[08:37] <SpeedEvil> 2m works somewhat.
[08:37] <SpeedEvil> But much shallower than that not really unless you hack it.
[08:37] <SpeedEvil> Hack = 30cm down, with a layer of insulation on top of it.
[08:37] <costyn> I have a nice sand pit in the crawlspace underneath my living room... would be an interesting place I think
[08:38] <SpeedEvil> You do not want to freeze under your house - permafrost screws with foundations. :)
[08:38] <costyn> hmmm good point
[08:38] <SpeedEvil> I was thinking of that - it seemed like a really nice way to do it.
[08:38] <SpeedEvil> 100m^2 of ground, that I can pull heat from.
[08:39] <SpeedEvil> But - if it's frozen, bad stuff happens over time.
[08:39] <costyn> yea without having to dig up your garden
[08:39] <SpeedEvil> It also obviously makes the floor insulation more important.
[08:39] <costyn> yes, i've already been working on that, insulting my floor; need to finish that this winter
[08:42] <UpuWork> morning
[08:42] <costyn> still... ground-source heatpumps for heating in winter and cooling in summer seem like such a cool technology. unforunate that it's difficult to retrofit in old buildings seeing the number of holes you need to drill
[08:43] <costyn> UpuWork: howdy
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[08:48] <SpeedEvil> costyn: Indeed. First you need to insulate - anyway.
[08:48] <SpeedEvil> To be practical.
[08:48] <SpeedEvil> Otherwise you simply need a fucking insane size of heatpump.
[08:49] <SpeedEvil> And you end up no cheaper than mains gas anyway.
[08:49] <costyn> hmm ok
[08:51] Action: SpeedEvil is pondering an order for 36m^3 of kingspan.
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[10:40] <earthshine> o/
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[10:51] <fsphil> ooch, £120 for http://cpc.farnell.com/oki-metcal/mfr-h4-tw/soldering-tweezers-130w/dp/SD01671
[10:52] <BrainDamage> for that price, you might be better with an hot air nozzle and regular tweezers
[10:53] <fsphil> indeed
[10:53] <fsphil> though I tend to set things on fire with the hot air nozzles :)
[10:54] <fsphil> need more practice
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[11:04] <SpeedEvil> Tehre are very cheap hot tweezers on ebay, forex.
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[11:08] <eroomde> hot air nozzle pro tip
[11:08] <eroomde> get a board heater
[11:08] <eroomde> the quartz heating elements that you clip the board over
[11:09] <eroomde> that brings the entire board up to about 120C
[11:09] <eroomde> and using a hot air gun is a million times easier then
[11:09] <eroomde> it reflows more or less within 1 second of air being applied
[11:10] <eroomde> *especially* useful when you have large power planes or internal power layers that sink away all theheat you apply
[11:11] <eroomde> eg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OIMmQkAuDQ
[11:11] <eroomde> jump to 1:50
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[11:13] <fsphil> ah brilliant
[11:14] <eroomde> really makes the whole process lovely
[11:14] <eroomde> and so so much better for desoldering ICs
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[11:14] <fsphil> what was happening for me was the board was heating up but the solder didn't seem to
[11:14] <fsphil> started getting smoke coming out of the board and the solder was solid
[11:15] <eroomde> yeah
[11:15] <eroomde> also don't use lead-free, obv
[11:15] <fsphil> yea, this was the standard stuff
[11:15] <eroomde> but yes badger2 was a trail
[11:15] <eroomde> 4 layers with two internal power planes
[11:15] <fsphil> but I think what was happening was the rest of the board was taking all the heat away from the joint
[11:15] <eroomde> trying to re-flow gyros was tear-inducingly frustrating
[11:23] <fsphil> cool looking beastie: http://www.pcb-soldering.co.uk/aoyue-853a-quartz-infrared-heater.html
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[13:47] <joph> actually receiving signals out of italy, but they can't recognize me :D
[13:47] <fsphil> what frequency?
[13:48] <fsphil> my hf antenna is down (wind) but I might hear it on the colinear
[13:49] <joph> fm channel 1
[13:50] <fsphil> cb?
[13:50] <joph> yes
[13:51] <fsphil> yea, hear them
[13:52] <fsphil> can hear a woman anyway
[13:52] <fsphil> nobody else
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[13:53] <joph> yeah, i can hear someone other, but there's a lot of noise
[13:53] <joph> so i can't understand him
[13:57] <fsphil> I can't speak italian anyway so noise won't matter :)
[13:58] <joph> ;) :D
[13:58] <joph> <<< looking for a staff of 3,68m for the antenna
[13:58] <BrainDamage> tell her
[13:58] <BrainDamage> "ciao, come ti chiami?"
[13:59] <joph> BrainDamage, they can't or don't want to her me ;)
[13:59] <fsphil> got some amateur FM on 29.625 mhz
[13:59] <joph> hrhr
[13:59] <joph> fsphil, channel number?
[13:59] <fsphil> no channel, just frequency :)
[13:59] <fsphil> it's not CB
[14:00] <gonzo_> oooohhhllllahhhhhhh
[14:00] <joph> oh
[14:00] <joph> i have no other receiver for this frequency ;)
[14:01] <gonzo_> one alpha tango
[14:01] <fsphil> I've still an old CB radio for the UK FM channels
[14:01] <gonzo_> been a few years sincve I was on ssb CB
[14:01] <fsphil> doesn't do the EU ones
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[14:03] <fsphil> can't make out the words, but they sound american
[14:03] <fsphil> strange how the accent comes through first
[14:05] <fsphil> ah, helps to tune properly. 29.620 mhz
[14:05] <fsphil> definitely from the US .. it's a repeater output
[14:05] <joph> actually there's a overrange ;)
[14:06] <joph> dammit, the wire antenna is real big^
[14:06] <fsphil> this is totally the wrong antenna I'm using. amazed it's hearing anything
[14:06] <joph> i actually use a baking plate for ground ;)
[14:06] <joph> *im
[14:07] <fsphil> haha
[14:07] <joph> ;)
[14:07] <joph> may i'll fix an antenna on the garage
[14:07] <fsphil> the colinear has radials but only for the 2m/70cm bands
[14:07] <joph> but for that i need a longer cable
[14:09] <fsphil> I think this is the new york repeater again
[14:09] <fsphil> has the same 'ding' sound
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[14:10] <fsphil> hehe, G0VEY talking through it
[14:11] <fsphil> from yorkshire
[14:11] <fsphil> M0VEY even
[14:11] <fsphil> how cool is that .. someone in england talking through a repeater in new york
[14:12] <joph> so, i need a pass through the windows
[14:12] <joph> *window
[14:12] <UpuiPhone> echo link ?
[14:12] <fsphil> UpuiPhone, nope -- directly
[14:12] <fsphil> on 10m band
[14:12] <fsphil> 28.620 mhz
[14:12] <fsphil> fm
[14:12] <fsphil> 29.620 even
[14:12] <UpuiPhone> propagation ?
[14:12] <fsphil> yea
[14:12] <UpuiPhone> interesting
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[14:14] <fsphil> signal is fading for me
[14:15] <gonzo_> a friend is building a 10mtfr repeater in the midlands
[14:15] <fsphil> oooh
[14:15] <fsphil> there's one in belfast I think, but I've never heard it
[14:16] <fsphil> ah, looking up the repeater site I see it's not listed anymore
[14:16] <gonzo_> the problem is, you need 2 sites for them. It's just not feasable to have both T and R on the same site. Then you have interlinking issues, which is what's slowing his build down
[14:17] <fsphil> why not having them on the same site?
[14:17] <fsphil> (possibly newbie question)
[14:17] <gonzo_> gb3gx
[14:18] <gonzo_> you have T and R freqs within 100khz of each other
[14:18] <fsphil> ah
[14:19] <gonzo_> on V/U repeaters, you have to have huge filters to stop the TX power from de-sensing the receiver (and phase noise problems)
[14:19] <gonzo_> at 2mtrs the filters are big, and that's 600kHz spacing
[14:21] <gonzo_> if you were to scale the frequency, the spacing, they would be huge (car size?)
[14:21] <gonzo_> easy soln is to use 2 separate sites
[14:26] <fsphil> yikes
[14:26] <fsphil> that explains why there's only 3 10m repeaters in the uk
[14:27] <gonzo_> Yep, sites are getting hard to find. So 2 is a tall order.
[14:28] <fsphil> a single well placed one could cover most of NI
[14:28] <gonzo_> btw, anyone on the chan tried the rfsolutions GPS-1513R modules?
[14:29] <fsphil> not I, but the datasheet is encouraging "COCOM limit, either may be exceeded but not both"
[14:29] <gonzo_> the ublox ones seem popular here, but they looks to be very expensive
[14:29] <fsphil> although the line above it isn't "<18000 meters"
[14:30] <gonzo_> That's what I saw phil. Tempted to get one to try
[14:30] <fsphil> definitely
[14:30] <gonzo_> unless anyone has already done so
[14:30] <gonzo_> think the 18km is just an environmental limit
[14:31] <gonzo_> think the post man has just tried to deliver my ntx2 modules. I see a red card on the door mat
[14:34] <joph> short time afk, installing the antenna :D
[14:49] <joph> done
[14:50] <joph> less signal
[14:50] <joph> okay, they're 15m additional cable
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[15:04] <nosebleedKT> Radiometrix
[15:04] <nosebleedKT> Hello Kostas,
[15:04] <nosebleedKT> VCC=5V and TXD=0V-5V level to acheive 300mW RF Power Output and +/-3kHz Peak
[15:04] <nosebleedKT> FM Deviation.
[15:04] <nosebleedKT> HX1 will not be damaged with 3.3V supply.
[15:04] <nosebleedKT> However, RF power output will be reduced from +24.8dBm (300mW) at 5V to
[15:04] <nosebleedKT> about +17.8dBm (60mW) at 3.3V which defeats the purpose of using high power
[15:04] <nosebleedKT> HX1. i.e. 7dB lower Effective Radiated Power will reduce the operating
[15:04] <nosebleedKT> range.
[15:07] <NigeyS> aye
[15:07] <NigeyS> reduced vin will obv effect the output power..
[15:07] <nosebleedKT> yes, but i hoped not to much
[15:07] <NigeyS> hehe well it does state in the spec sheet 5v :)
[15:07] <nosebleedKT> yes
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[16:56] <SamSIlver_> nosebleedKT: I think that LunarLander wrote an intro to HAB that said you need the following skills; electronics, radio and building I might be wrong but that is what is in my head
[16:57] <nosebleedKT> hi SamSilver
[16:57] <SamSIlver_> Hi
[16:57] <nosebleedKT> i will ask him
[16:57] <nosebleedKT> how's the monkeys?
[16:57] <nosebleedKT> :)
[16:57] <SamSIlver_> do you have a link for his site the first one not the poloride camera one?
[16:58] <SamSIlver_> the monkeys broke the TV antenna
[16:58] <SamSIlver_> stole some mangoes
[16:58] <SamSIlver_> mango
[16:58] <nosebleedKT> I dont have that link
[16:58] <nosebleedKT> lol
[16:59] <SamSIlver_> one took a shit on the car
[16:59] <nosebleedKT> what do you mean a shit?
[16:59] <nosebleedKT> ass output?
[16:59] <nosebleedKT> hahahahha
[17:00] <SamSIlver_> others had sex in the trees while I was having breakfast
[17:00] <SamSIlver_> I was inputing
[17:00] <nosebleedKT> do you have some pictures of your place with monkeys?
[17:00] <nosebleedKT> lol
[17:00] <SamSIlver_> cornflakes
[17:00] <SpeedEvil> Mmmm. Mangos.
[17:00] <SamSIlver_> www.thorntreelodgepmb.co.za
[17:01] <SamSIlver_> brb
[17:01] <nosebleedKT> thats your home?
[17:01] <SamSIlver_> afk
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[17:02] <nosebleedKT> damn, are you rich or something?
[17:03] <SamSIlver_> i told you to come over, I have lots of space, my house is 400m-sq
[17:03] <nosebleedKT> lol
[17:04] <SpeedEvil> My house is only 10% under that.
[17:04] <SamSIlver_> get on a plane, take 6 sleeping pills, next thing you know you will be here
[17:04] <SpeedEvil> (counting the ceiling, floor, walls.
[17:04] <nosebleedKT> when i find a woman maybe ill pass the honeymoon there
[17:04] <SpeedEvil> And if it's not working out - there are always lions.
[17:04] <nosebleedKT> my home is 100 sqm
[17:04] <SamSIlver_> my bedroom is 51sq m
[17:04] <SpeedEvil> Same here - if you stick with the minions of orthodoxy, and only count the floor.
[17:04] <fsphil> lions with laser beams
[17:05] <fsphil> suspended from a high altitude balloon
[17:05] <nosebleedKT> hahahahhahahahah
[17:05] <SamSIlver_> lol SpeedEvil
[17:05] <SpeedEvil> Soon to shrink to ~95sqm - due to insulation.
[17:06] <SamSIlver_> my roof is thatch
[17:06] <SamSIlver_> floor concrete bad thermal stuff
[17:07] <nosebleedKT> and there is always summer?
[17:07] <SamSIlver_> summer is hot here
[17:07] <nosebleedKT> yes all year is summer?
[17:07] <nosebleedKT> ill get my nose bleeding all day there
[17:07] <fsphil> that would get boring. I'd miss the snow
[17:07] <SamSIlver_> well no snow here
[17:08] <nosebleedKT> ++
[17:08] <nosebleedKT> i want picture with monkeys dude
[17:08] <SamSIlver_> i was hoping to bump into RocketBoy on here tonight, any idea when he comes on?
[17:10] <SamSIlver_> pc still on in office
[17:10] <SamSIlver_> bugger
[17:10] <nosebleedKT> you rent that place?
[17:10] <SamSIlver_> nope, I manage it
[17:11] <nosebleedKT> and you live there?
[17:11] <SamSIlver_> yes
[17:11] <nosebleedKT> omg
[17:11] <nosebleedKT> and how are you connected to HABing?
[17:11] <nosebleedKT> thats not a hobby for the jungle boys
[17:11] <nosebleedKT> :P
[17:11] <fsphil> a very long string
[17:12] <nosebleedKT> fsphil: stop!
[17:12] <nosebleedKT> you make me laugh
[17:12] <SamSIlver_> I will be flying / floating a camera and stuff during december
[17:13] <SamSIlver_> I got 2000g china special and a chute comming from RocketBoy
[17:13] <nosebleedKT> he said lions with laser beams
[17:13] <nosebleedKT> hahahahahhaha
[17:13] <nosebleedKT> f* awesome
[17:13] <SamSIlver_> and monkeys throwing crap
[17:14] <nosebleedKT> shiting your car and having sex on the trees
[17:14] <SamSIlver_> and fcuking in the trees
[17:14] <nosebleedKT> how rude citizens
[17:14] <SamSIlver_> stealing your stuff
[17:14] <nosebleedKT> dont you have a shotgun there?
[17:14] <nosebleedKT> lions are not paying a visit?
[17:15] <SamSIlver_> nosebleedKT: it is wild here
[17:15] <nosebleedKT> there you have monkeys stealing your property, here we have humans do that
[17:15] <nosebleedKT> now i see the map, you are almost straight below me
[17:15] <SamSIlver_> thats why Grece has money probs
[17:16] <SamSIlver_> we use monkeys to do the crime
[17:16] <nosebleedKT> yeah haha
[17:16] <SamSIlver_> same time zone
[17:16] <nosebleedKT> here is 19:15 now
[17:16] <SamSIlver_> lol
[17:16] <SamSIlver_> 19h16b here
[17:16] <nosebleedKT> hah
[17:17] <nosebleedKT> temperature?
[17:17] <nosebleedKT> here 10C
[17:17] <SamSIlver_> 20c
[17:17] <nosebleedKT> cool
[17:17] <SamSIlver_> had two day storm
[17:17] <nosebleedKT> have you ever seen a gorilla?
[17:17] <SamSIlver_> normal is 28c for this time of day
[17:18] <SamSIlver_> we don't get them here
[17:18] <SamSIlver_> baboons there are more than monkeys
[17:18] <nosebleedKT> they dont live free? they are captured?
[17:18] <SamSIlver_> free
[17:18] <nosebleedKT> baboons lol
[17:18] <nosebleedKT> i love them too
[17:18] <nosebleedKT> i think they got big scary teeth
[17:19] <SamSIlver_> baboons with blue bums
[17:19] <SamSIlver_> beeg teeth
[17:19] <nosebleedKT> to eat bananas?
[17:19] <nosebleedKT> :P
[17:19] <nosebleedKT> gorillas are attacking people? or are friendly?
[17:19] <SamSIlver_> no they kill buck
[17:20] <SamSIlver_> buck = deer
[17:20] <nosebleedKT> yeah, poor deer, santa clause wont have a ride.
[17:20] <nosebleedKT> tell me about gorillas
[17:21] <SamSIlver_> nosebleedKT: we do not have gorillas
[17:21] <nosebleedKT> where are the gorillas then?
[17:21] <SamSIlver_> in south africa
[17:21] <SamSIlver_> no
[17:21] <SamSIlver_> I am in south africa
[17:21] <nosebleedKT> ye
[17:21] <SamSIlver_> gorillas are more north
[17:22] <SamSIlver_> nosebleedKT: you will launch in april?
[17:22] <nosebleedKT> after april
[17:22] <SamSIlver_> what will you be sending up?
[17:22] <nosebleedKT> usual stuff
[17:22] <nosebleedKT> camera
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[17:24] <SamSIlver_> nosebleedKT: you and I do things differently, I have spent 7 mths learning and then three days buying all the stuff
[17:24] <nosebleedKT> :P
[17:24] <SamSIlver_> will place last order tomorrow, and then start building
[17:25] <SamSIlver_> will fly / float before 11th Jan 2012
[17:25] <nosebleedKT> ohnice
[17:25] <SamSIlver_> but your equipment looks VERY well made
[17:26] <nosebleedKT> my boards?
[17:26] <SamSIlver_> yes and your building
[17:26] <nosebleedKT> thank you
[17:26] <nosebleedKT> all started from 0
[17:26] <nosebleedKT> thats my story
[17:27] <SamSIlver_> I would frame a board like that and hang it behind my bar
[17:27] <nosebleedKT> no idea about electronics
[17:27] <nosebleedKT> what?
[17:27] <SamSIlver_> from 0 ??
[17:27] <nosebleedKT> 0 = no idea about electronics and stuff
[17:27] <SamSIlver_> I think your boards are a work of art and deserve a frame and to be shown
[17:28] <nosebleedKT> ah lol
[17:28] <nosebleedKT> I have them on my wall
[17:28] <nosebleedKT> :P
[17:28] <SamSIlver_> how long ago did the HAB bug bite you?
[17:28] <nosebleedKT> and now im writing an article about habing for a greek tech magazine
[17:29] <nosebleedKT> i saw from a blog some pictures 2yrs ago and i got amazed
[17:29] <SamSIlver_> ask Tim Z for his wed addy
[17:29] <SamSIlver_> web
[17:29] <nosebleedKT> in the middle i had 9month army service
[17:30] <nosebleedKT> so i went somehow back
[17:30] <fsphil-laptop> I never did catch that hab bug, it's still creeping about somewhere
[17:30] <nosebleedKT> and unemploeyment dont help with money
[17:31] <nosebleedKT> but now i found some job and im going on
[17:31] <SamSIlver_> fsphil-laptop: you have done launches though?
[17:31] <nosebleedKT> lol
[17:31] <fsphil-laptop> oh it bites me now and then
[17:31] <fsphil-laptop> we git
[17:31] <fsphil-laptop> wee*
[17:31] <fsphil-laptop> some day I'll trap it
[17:32] <SamSIlver_> my family came from Glasgow sooo we would head butt it!!
[17:33] <SamSIlver_> how does one get a 4500g Kay balloon to hand?
[17:34] <SamSIlver_> JP used two the other day
[17:34] <fsphil-laptop> beat the boss of Kaymont in a game of scrabble
[17:34] <SamSIlver_> JP Aero Space
[17:34] <SamSIlver_> bugger I am dyslexi
[17:35] <SamSIlver_> dyslexic
[17:35] <SamSIlver_> dislixcic
[17:35] <fsphil-laptop> I've a friend who claims to have dyslexic fingers
[17:35] <SamSIlver_> can not spell
[17:36] <SamSIlver_> they are not conected to the brain when typing fast?
[17:36] <nosebleedKT> lol
[17:36] <SamSIlver_> well being dislexic is the same but typing slow
[17:36] <SamSIlver_> :p
[17:37] <fsphil-laptop> unfortunately this same guy also set all our passwords when the new system was installed
[17:37] <nosebleedKT> yeah
[17:37] <nosebleedKT> epic
[17:37] <SamSIlver_> no way!!!
[17:37] <SamSIlver_> lol
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[17:39] <SamSIlver_> fsphil-laptop: where are you agin?
[17:39] <SamSIlver_> scotland
[17:39] <fsphil-laptop> cookstown, n.ireland
[17:39] <fsphil-laptop> (almost right in the middle)
[17:39] <SamSIlver_> arrrr right
[17:40] <SamSIlver_> have you heard a south african accent?
[17:41] <fsphil-laptop> a few times yea. quite liked a show that was made in cape town too
[17:41] <SamSIlver_> it is very "flat" we do not "intonate" much
[17:41] <SamSIlver_> cooked
[17:41] <SamSIlver_> with Justin Bonello
[17:41] <fsphil-laptop> intonation here is all over the place
[17:41] <SamSIlver_> ?
[17:42] <fsphil-laptop> Charlie Jade, a low budget sci-fi show
[17:42] <fsphil-laptop> which started great, ended a bit meh
[17:43] <SamSIlver_> will gooooogle it
[17:43] <fsphil-laptop> the show was built on a good idea, but it really needed more money :)
[17:43] <fsphil-laptop> and better writers
[17:44] <SamSIlver_> what type of show?
[17:44] <fsphil-laptop> science fiction. parallel universes
[17:44] <fsphil-laptop> like sliders, only not as cheesy
[17:44] <SamSIlver_> with a story line?
[17:45] <fsphil-laptop> yea there was developing story
[17:45] <fsphil-laptop> they sort of lost track towards the end though, things got very weird
[17:45] <fsphil-laptop> and the ending didn't make sense at all
[17:45] <SamSIlver_> ahhh entertainment type show
[17:45] <fsphil-laptop> but I still enjoyed it -- nothing else like it was made
[17:46] <SamSIlver_> wikipedia is filling me in
[17:46] <SamSIlver_> lol
[17:46] <fsphil-laptop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOWx0PHs57M
[17:47] <fsphil-laptop> I think they spend most of the budget on that fight scene :)
[17:48] <SamSIlver_> loading
[17:49] <SamSIlver_> my mozillais not happy with my IE and Chorme wants an update that is being blocked
[17:50] <SamSIlver_> is
[17:50] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[17:50] <fsphil-laptop> the new browsers wars
[17:50] <SamSIlver_> so youtube is haning
[17:50] <SamSIlver_> haninging
[17:50] <SamSIlver_> hanging
[17:51] <SamSIlver_> fsphil-laptop: when are you launching
[17:51] <SamSIlver_> ?
[17:53] <fsphil-laptop> possibly sunday
[17:53] <fsphil-laptop> if the weather behaves
[17:56] <SamSIlver_> you have two lined up
[17:57] <SamSIlver_> wich will be the sunday launch
[17:57] <SamSIlver_> which
[17:58] <fsphil-laptop> it was suppose to be a short flight over NI with a gopro camera, and a long floating flight
[17:58] <fsphil-laptop> but the winds mean the short flight is landing on yorkshire again :)
[17:58] <fsphil-laptop> so I'm doing the short flight, but without the gopro
[17:58] <fsphil-laptop> as it probably won't be recovered
[17:58] <SamSIlver_> upu?
[17:58] <fsphil-laptop> it *may* land near Upu
[17:58] <fsphil-laptop> depends on the winds on the day and the burst altitude
[17:59] <fsphil-laptop> but it's also likely to overshoot and land in the north sea :)
[17:59] <fsphil-laptop> or burst early and land in the irish sea
[18:00] <SamSIlver_> don't we wish we lived in the land of DarkSide??
[18:00] <fsphil-laptop> aah now that would be handy
[18:00] <SamSIlver_> mile and miles of fak all
[18:00] <fsphil-laptop> and non-insane radio laws
[18:00] <SamSIlver_> fsphil-laptop: can I make you green?
[18:01] <fsphil-laptop> if you fed me something that's gone all mouldy, maybe
[18:01] <SamSIlver_> I will be pumping 4.8watts out at 144.800 leagaly
[18:01] <SamSIlver_> lol
[18:01] <fsphil-laptop> you people and your watts
[18:01] <SamSIlver_> aprs
[18:01] <fsphil-laptop> milliwatts is where it's at :p
[18:01] <SamSIlver_> you are more of a milli W type of guy
[18:02] <SamSIlver_> lol
[18:02] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[18:02] <fsphil-laptop> photons are in short supply here, we have to conserve them
[18:02] <SamSIlver_> just do not piss off the neutrions
[18:03] <SamSIlver_> they might faken mutate
[18:03] <SamSIlver_> meytate
[18:03] <SamSIlver_> mutate
[18:03] <SamSIlver_> was right the first time
[18:04] <SamSIlver_> fsphil-laptop: do you have a linky for Tim - LunarLander's site?
[18:05] <SamSIlver_> not the poliroid one
[18:05] <fsphil-laptop> timzaman.com I think
[18:06] <fsphil-laptop> don't think lunar has one?
[18:06] <SamSIlver_> thanx
[18:06] <SamSIlver_> fsphil-laptop: nosebleedKT WAS LOOKING FOR IT
[18:07] <SamSIlver_> sorry caps
[18:07] <nosebleedKT> i dont think Tim was the one to write it
[18:08] <nosebleedKT> to have written it*
[18:08] <fsphil-laptop> Tim did write a document about it
[18:08] <fsphil-laptop> when he did hohoho-1
[18:08] <nosebleedKT> was one of the old guys here
[18:08] <nosebleedKT> beterans
[18:08] <nosebleedKT> :P
[18:10] <SamSIlver_> nosebleedKT: trry this http://www.timzaman.nl/?p=1886&lang=en
[18:11] <nosebleedKT> its not that
[18:11] <nosebleedKT> im sure was a ukhas link
[18:11] <SamSIlver_> ahhhhhhGGGGG hhh
[18:11] <SamSIlver_> I give up
[18:12] <nosebleedKT> some link at the project's page
[18:12] <nosebleedKT> SamSilver: np
[18:12] <SamSIlver_> np
[18:12] <SamSIlver_> i like 2 help
[18:12] <nosebleedKT> Listen to motorhead !
[18:12] <nosebleedKT> im listening 'eat the rich'
[18:13] Action: fsphil-laptop is listening to ... well to be honest I've no idea what it is
[18:13] <SamSIlver_> I am listening to the rain on the thatch and my wife cooking and my old dog farting
[18:14] <SamSIlver_> and the click of the keys on the lappie
[18:15] <nosebleedKT> lol
[18:15] <SamSIlver_> I have taken 23 days leave to build my HAB
[18:15] <SamSIlver_> from 5 dec till 28
[18:17] <SamSIlver_> afk
[18:17] Nick change: SamSIlver_ -> SamSilver_
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[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> hello!
[19:36] <nosebleedKT> hi
[19:36] <nosebleedKT> crazy boy
[19:36] <nosebleedKT> :P
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:40] <Lunar_Lander> for some reason I cannot add IRC servers to this program
[19:40] <Lunar_Lander> on previous ubuntus that worked
[19:41] <nosebleedKT> kevin
[19:41] <nosebleedKT> radiometrix answered me
[19:41] <nosebleedKT> 300mW HX1 will produce about 60mW at 3.3V
[19:41] <nosebleedKT> lol
[19:41] <nosebleedKT> now I asked them about 4.5v input voltage
[19:42] <nosebleedKT> direct from the batteries
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:42] <nosebleedKT> but i dont if its good to be direct from the bat and not regulated
[19:42] <nosebleedKT> i dont know*
[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> could there be voltage spikes?
[19:49] <nosebleedKT> dunno
[19:49] <nosebleedKT> though lithiums seemed to provide very stable voltage output for all the 23hrs...
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[19:53] <SpeedEvil> I would expect voltage shifts.
[19:53] <SpeedEvil> err
[19:53] <SpeedEvil> frequency
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> btw nosebleedKT I solved my IRC problem
[19:57] <nosebleedKT> :P
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> installed Pidgin
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> so
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> what are we gonna do now?
[20:13] <fsphil-laptop> lets make biscuits!
[20:14] Action: SpeedEvil just had KFC.
[20:14] <SpeedEvil> Not feeling like biscuits.
[20:14] Action: SpeedEvil is like Tux.
[20:14] <SpeedEvil> Except I'm rammed full of chicken.
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:15] <nosebleedKT> SpeedEvil: KFC
[20:15] <SpeedEvil> (I eat fast food on average .2 times a year.
[20:15] <nosebleedKT> SpeedEvil: wait to see what you have just eaten
[20:15] <SpeedEvil> ?
[20:17] <nosebleedKT> mhh i dont find the link, it shows how KFC is made
[20:17] <nosebleedKT> you would like to puke what you just ate
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> I don't especially care.
[20:18] <daveake> www.webuyrats.com
[20:18] <daveake> :)
[20:18] <nosebleedKT> those chickens never exists as beings!
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> Sausage isn't pretty either.
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> I don't care about a chickens individuality.
[20:18] <daveake> Nope
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> I care about how tender it is.
[20:18] <nosebleedKT> hahahah
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> I have kept chickens.
[20:18] <daveake> I worked in a margarine factory for a few days installing some kit. The smell lives with you for weeks after
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> Actual live ones.
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> yeah daveake you told me :)
[20:19] <SpeedEvil> I think, frankly, chickens deserve to be in tiny cages.
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> SpeedEvil: my old english teacher als keeps them
[20:19] <daveake> I did? My memory ain't what it used to be
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> and he sells the eggs in the neighbourhood
[20:19] <SpeedEvil> Ducks are a fair bit smarter.
[20:20] <SpeedEvil> Geese are as smart as a retarded cat.
[20:20] <daveake> 8 days till my launch (hopefully). Suppose I ought to build a payload :D
[20:20] <SpeedEvil> :)
[20:20] <nosebleedKT> there's a new restarunt opened called TGI Friday's. 100% american fast food technology. One friend left for army and he took us there. Well with 10e you get your basic dish + a salad and 1 coca cola. But when your cola is over, they bring you another cola. And when that 2nd cola is over they bring you another and so on !
[20:21] <daveake> TGI I like. Shame the prices aren't American though :(
[20:21] <nosebleedKT> Man the thing I ate from there was a F* cloned alien animal
[20:22] <nosebleedKT> only americans know how to make such bad food
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> 99.9% of meals I cook from scratch.
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> Sometimes it's nice not to do that.
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> do you ever tried Red Bull Cola?
[20:22] <nosebleedKT> they breed headless animals in factories. they produce just the body for the meal!
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> tastes really different than normal cola
[20:23] <nosebleedKT> Only Gyros is the best fast food! Pure Pig meal !
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> yea!
[20:24] <fsphil-laptop> daveake, catching up .. I read that as "I worked in a migraine factory for a few days"
[20:24] <fsphil-laptop> I think I work there :p
[20:24] <nosebleedKT> http://www.otherside.gr/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/gyros-xoirinos.jpg
[20:24] <nosebleedKT> http://img4.myrecipes.com/i/recipes/sl/02/07/shrimp-gyros-sl-300393-l.jpg
[20:24] <nosebleedKT> haha
[20:24] <fsphil-laptop> Anyone live near Darlington? :) http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=c23520fb1b7a4aecbf2fe9eee78972913c7bd2d8
[20:25] <nosebleedKT> i think im about to eat a gyro
[20:25] <nosebleedKT> hunger switched on!
[20:25] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:26] <fsphil-laptop> main screen turn on!
[20:27] <Lunar_Lander> daveake: that was when I mentioned seeing "I can't believe it's not butter" in the supermarket
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[20:54] <NigeyS> ping jonsowman
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> hi NigeyS
[20:54] <jonsowman> hi NigeyS
[20:54] <fsphil-laptop> hi me!
[20:54] <jonsowman> ...
[20:54] <NigeyS> hey hey lol
[20:55] <jonsowman> how are things
[20:55] <NigeyS> ill email the list aswell jonsowman but picochu-3 launch, sunday 3pm :)
[20:55] <jonsowman> oh cool :)
[20:55] <fsphil-laptop> I better be on time
[20:55] <NigeyS> all good, looing forward to a nice weekend!
[20:55] <jonsowman> excellent
[20:55] <NigeyS> what freq u on phil ?
[20:55] <fsphil-laptop> 434.075
[20:55] <NigeyS> ah im on 650
[20:55] <fsphil-laptop> nice
[20:55] <NigeyS> but can delay launch if needs be until 4pm
[20:56] <fsphil-laptop> there will be a bit of an overlap
[20:56] <fsphil-laptop> the predictor says it will land at 16:23
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[20:57] <NigeyS> well, we'll play it by ear on the day, ive got transport all afternoon / early evening
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> hi GW8RAK
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[20:58] <GW8RAK> Hi Lunar_Lander. How're things?
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> I'm good, thanks and you?
[20:58] <GW8RAK> The week finished on a high, so good tonight and ready for the weekend
[20:59] <GW8RAK> But work is very busy at present and not much time for anything else
[20:59] <GW8RAK> Apart from a good deal on an HF radio :)
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[21:16] <fsphil-laptop> Loads on 10m today
[21:16] <fsphil-laptop> that new york repeater had someone from yorkshire talking on it :)
[21:16] <GW8RAK> Sounds like fun. Hope to find some radio time over the weekend
[21:17] <fsphil-laptop> well if you could find yourself on 434.075 at some point on sunday ;)
[21:17] <GW8RAK> Should be there
[21:18] <fsphil-laptop> appreciated :)
[21:18] <fsphil-laptop> the more trackers nearby the better
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> cool GW8RAK
[21:19] <fsphil-laptop> with a (hopefully) working antenna I'm hoping the location of this one will be better known
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> I tried to buy 3.9 mH inductors
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> they didn't have any left at the electronics store
[21:21] <The-Compiler> If you use twitter, do me a favour: Write a tweet with #schreimaschine or #tweetwriter, watch it live on a typewriter @ http://ulysses.dock18.ch/twitter/
[21:22] <Dan-K2VOL> says stream not found
[21:22] <Dan-K2VOL> is it a teletype machine?
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[21:26] <The-Compiler> broken USB cable... should be back
[21:26] <The-Compiler> no, self-modified electronic typerwriter
[21:27] <Dan-K2VOL> cool
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> how comes that ARHAB still doesn't have the Horus 16 records?
[21:41] <LazyLeopard> One of my local radio clubs fancies a talk about HAB...
[21:41] Action: LazyLeopard wonders who might have a Monday evening free near Croydon... ;)
[21:41] <fsphil-laptop> hope it was better than my talk LazyLeopard :)
[21:41] <fsphil-laptop> oh it hasn't happened yet
[21:42] <LazyLeopard> Oh, hasn't happenned yet... ;)
[21:42] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[21:42] <LazyLeopard> You type faster than me... ;)
[21:42] <fsphil-laptop> Mine relied on flickr ... and it turned out flickr was blocked on their net line
[21:42] <fsphil-laptop> then it got worse lol
[21:43] <fsphil-laptop> on the plus side the next one I'll be better prepared
[21:43] <LazyLeopard> Ah. The room this club meets in is in a school, and it is a mobile-phone dead spot, and I don't think the room has any network connections either. ;)
[21:43] <fsphil-laptop> this was a sort of education centre too
[21:43] <fsphil-laptop> flickr was blocked for being a social network site
[21:44] <fsphil-laptop> I got to show the live images but everything else sort of fell flat
[21:45] <LazyLeopard> All the rooms used for exams have "thou shalt not..." notices about phones and such, so I suspect they're perfectly happy with having the place a mobiles dead-spot. ;)
[21:46] <fsphil-laptop> The-Compiler, that's neat!
[21:48] <fsphil-laptop> The-Compiler, though "hi guys" came out as higuy
[21:50] <LazyLeopard> Havn't seen a daisy-wheel working in years!
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[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> hi Paradoxial
[21:53] <Paradoxial> Hi Lunar, how's your day going?
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> well
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> I found some red stuff on the cafetaria dishes
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> that was quite shitty
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> because I only saw it after sitting down
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> left those things then
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> hoping I didn't contract something
[22:01] <The-Compiler> fsphil-laptop: it sucks up chars. Never had that when testing, runned fine for 5 days
[22:01] <The-Compiler> fsphil-laptop: so either it broke while transporting, or the power here is flaky somehow
[22:07] <fsphil-laptop> The-Compiler, it's still really nift
[22:07] <fsphil-laptop> nifty*
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[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> wb daveake
[22:15] <daveake> Having a bit of fun getting online here at a B&B in MidleOfNowhereVille ....
[22:15] <daveake> .... started with tethering via my Tesco Mobile phone and its "unlimited" data plan ...
[22:16] <daveake> .... where "un" means "100MB per week"
[22:16] <fsphil-laptop> You should pay for that "unlimited" plan with "money"
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> LOL
[22:16] <daveake> So I'm currently connected via the amazing speed of a T-Mobile GPRS link
[22:16] <Paradoxial> Lunar_Lander: http://tinyurl.com/6otfxy5
[22:17] <fsphil-laptop> I can't find any batteries to test my payload
[22:17] <fsphil-laptop> drat
[22:17] <Paradoxial> That will contain the shield soon
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[22:17] <LazyLeopard> daveake: I'm surprised you can read anything, then. ;)
[22:17] <daveake> I've seen payloads download faster than this ...
[22:18] <daveake> :D
[22:18] <LazyLeopard> Here, dry string is better than T-Mobile's GPS.
[22:18] <LazyLeopard> GPRS even...
[22:18] <LazyLeopard> Never mind wet string. ;)
[22:18] <daveake> They're changing the "£2/week unlimited by really only 100MB" with a "£7.50/month for 1GB" plan. Sometime soon.
[22:19] <daveake> LazyLeopard - I seem to get a bunch of messages altogether every minute or so
[22:20] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Love the way they say "unlimited" when they really mean "extremely limited" ;)
[22:20] <daveake> I used T-Mobile in my chase car for the cloud2 chase, and that worked pretty well
[22:21] <daveake> fsphil ... seeing as you're working on this offline spacenear.us thing, I presume you know how to quickly grab the latest HAB position from some sort of web service thing?
[22:21] <daveake> fsphil-laptop ^^
[22:22] <SpeedEvil> http://www.national.com/pf/LM/LMZ10500.html
[22:22] <SpeedEvil> This is cheating!
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> If you need efficient li-ion to 3.3V
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> Though it'd be nice if it boosted too.
[22:25] <daveake> fsphil-laptop ... I was wondering about writing a little app that uploads the current balloon position to Google Latitude.
[22:26] <daveake> After that Google Maps on a PC or phone can simulaneously show your current position and the balloon position. Might be quicker when mobile than spacenear.us is
[22:26] <fsphil> daveake, indeedy - there's an address you can query on couchdb that sends a line everytime something is updated
[22:27] <daveake> Nice
[22:27] <fsphil> so each time a string is uploaded it will get sent it more or less immediately
[22:27] <daveake> Just what I was after :)
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[22:28] <daveake> Google Latitude has what looks like a straightforward API that includes the ability to insert a timestamped location - http://code.google.com/apis/latitude/v1/getting_started.html
[22:28] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: i use lt3467a
[22:28] <Laurenceb_> in sepic mode
[22:29] <daveake> I doubt it includes altitude though :D
[22:29] <daveake> Could be worth a play.
[22:29] <fsphil> nice - so all you need is to write a small app that reads of the couchdb stuff, parse it, then post it to google
[22:29] <fsphil> http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/_changes?feed=continuous&since=398360&heartbeat=5000&include_docs=true
[22:29] <fsphil> this gets you each change, and the document contents
[22:29] <daveake> I'd need to create a Google account for the payload, of course.
[22:29] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: True
[22:29] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: builtin inductor, tiny, cheap.
[22:30] <SpeedEvil> Not quite ideal - but...
[22:30] <fsphil> daveake, if you're doing it in C the habitat.c file in habhound is pretty much entirely what you need
[22:31] <daveake> fsphil - exactly. I was thinking about it on the drive oop north from deepest darkest Wales this afternoon. Nice to know the 4 hours in the car wasn't entirely wasted :D
[22:31] <fsphil> although it would probably be simpler to do something like that in python
[22:31] <fsphil> lol
[22:31] <fsphil> I've never been oop north, although I've dropped a few payloads ere
[22:32] <daveake> LOL
[22:32] <fsphil> well 1, and hopefully on sunday another one :)
[22:32] <daveake> :D
[22:32] <fsphil> the north of england won't know what hit it !!! muhahahaha!!
[22:32] <fsphil> except for the address label, and description written on the side of it
[22:33] <LazyLeopard> Right. Day three of the Intermediate course tomorrow, and I've got the tea/coffee stuff, so they'll not be pleased if I'm late. Better get some sleep. ;) G'night folks.
[22:33] <fsphil> night LazyLeopard, and good luck :)
[22:33] <daveake> nite
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[22:34] <LazyLeopard> Oh, I'll wish the candidates good luck on your behalf by all means. I'm just helping... ;)
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[22:39] <fsphil> good luck making the tea I meant ;)
[22:41] <Upu> meh Heron
[22:41] <Upu> Yorkshire
[22:41] <Upu> meh
[22:41] <Upu> whats latest prediction ?
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[22:44] <daveake> Hmmm ... GPRS with 2 bars hardly works ... UMTS with no bars seems OK
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[23:03] <fsphil-laptop> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=c23520fb1b7a4aecbf2fe9eee78972913c7bd2d8
[23:04] <Dan-K2VOL> nice prediction phil
[23:05] <fsphil-laptop> hopefully this balloon was well made :)
[23:05] <fsphil-laptop> the last time I did 3.5 m/s ascent with the same size of balloon, it burst at exactly 33.3km
[23:10] <daveake> What size?
[23:13] <fsphil-laptop> 1000g
[23:13] <fsphil-laptop> the payload was 510g
[23:13] <fsphil-laptop> should be a little bit lighter this time
[23:14] <fsphil-laptop> no canon a560, but extra batteries
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[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil-laptop and Dan-K2VOL
[23:23] <Dan-K2VOL> hi Lunar_Lander
[23:23] <fsphil-laptop> evnin!
[23:23] <Lunar_Lander> so now it is done
[23:24] <Lunar_Lander> my new operating system is orange and purple
[23:24] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:26] <The-Compiler> #tweetwriter / #schreimaschine tweets now being read LIVE at http://ulysses.dock18.ch/twitter/
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[23:34] <fsphil-laptop> type writer is great
[23:34] <Dan-K2VOL> it does look cool
[23:34] <fsphil-laptop> mmmm strobe light
[23:35] <Lunar_Lander> yay Skype exists for ubuntu
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[23:37] <fsphil-laptop> making a smaller payload box is trickier
[23:37] <Dan-K2VOL> it'll be easier when we get the 5th dimension math worked out fsphil-laptop
[23:37] <fsphil-laptop> indeed
[23:37] <Dan-K2VOL> :-P
[23:38] <fsphil-laptop> and if I can figure out the relative dimension in space
[23:38] <Dan-K2VOL> just hang your payload off into the extra dimensions.
[23:38] <fsphil-laptop> it'd still end up in yorkshire
[23:38] <Dan-K2VOL> hehe
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[23:40] <fsphil-laptop> with this potentially being a night time flight at the end, I wonder if I should turn the camera off at a certain time
[23:41] <Lunar_Lander> good question
[23:43] <fsphil-laptop> the current rule is to stop sending new images once it starts descenting
[23:45] <Upu> screw that transmit away
[23:46] <Upu> I'd say stop below 15k
[23:46] <fsphil-laptop> yea thinking that
[23:47] <fsphil-laptop> so take images if ascent == true, or if altitude > 15k
[23:48] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:48] <fsphil-laptop> the camera will go to sleep, and with the extra batteries it should transmit its position for a few days
[23:49] <fsphil-laptop> assuming the gps survives
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[23:58] <Lunar_Lander> when will you fly fsphil-laptop?
[23:58] <fsphil-laptop> sunday
[23:58] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[23:58] <fsphil-laptop> if the wind on the ground behaves
[23:58] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:58] <fsphil-laptop> I don't want the balloon bouncing around as we fill it
[23:59] <Lunar_Lander> yes
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