highaltitude.log.20111124

[00:00] <fsphil-laptop> didn't know that
[00:00] <jonsowman> shiny will radiate less but absorb less
[00:01] <jonsowman> so the net effect is actually harder to determine than one might expect
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[00:01] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Solar-Evacuated-Mini-Tube-Oven-Power-sun-/120733016830?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1c3fa2fe
[00:01] <jonsowman> i'm unsure what the actual answer is, I expect is depends a lot on the thermal mass of the payload etc
[00:01] <SpeedEvil> Get one of thost to put the payload in.
[00:01] <SpeedEvil> :)
[00:02] <TimZaman> warm it up with a laser from earth
[00:02] <SpeedEvil> Damn - that's actually a reasonable price
[00:02] <SpeedEvil> even shipped internationally
[00:02] <TimZaman> how does that work?
[00:02] <SpeedEvil> Oh - I was thinking it was the bigger one
[00:03] <SpeedEvil> It's an absorbtive coating on the inside, and a IR reflective on the outside
[00:03] <SpeedEvil> evacuated
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[00:10] <TimZaman> sleepy time
[00:10] <TimZaman> wish me luck tomorrow
[00:10] <TimZaman> heavy launch
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[00:18] <TimZaman> hi guys i tuned in back
[00:19] <TimZaman> since everyone wants to see my TEDx talk about the HAB, here it is, a whopping 5 minutes of fame
[00:19] <TimZaman> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kShT_Z3GJSU&feature=player_embedded
[00:19] <fsphil-laptop> was watching that earlier - very well done
[00:21] <TimZaman> sorry for the slimeyness, but it was TEDx so i had to propose an idea
[00:25] <NigeyS> you did bloody well Tim :D
[00:26] <TimZaman> ahhhh thank you
[00:26] <TimZaman> make sure to 'like' it
[00:26] <TimZaman> it'd be too awesome if it pops up at ted.com
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[00:37] <Paradoxial> Only €400? I want to make one now o.o
[00:38] <fsphil-laptop> the radiosonde I was tracking just burst at 24km
[00:38] <fsphil-laptop> here's a pretty graph: http://i.imgur.com/Qeiij.png :)
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[00:53] <fsphil-laptop> moar graphs: http://i.imgur.com/5DxLe.png
[00:54] <NigeyS> thats funky!
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[02:27] <natrium42> whoa, nice talk by tim
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[06:41] <Paradoxial> Goodnight everyone. And happy thanksgiving to those in the states!
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[08:41] <costyn> hello all
[08:41] Action: costyn is now a proud owner of a 817
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[08:51] <eroomde> congrats costyn
[08:51] <eroomde> it all gets cheaper from here :)
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[09:03] <costyn> eroomde: hehe... well all the other bits I already have... was putting off the most expensive bit till last
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[09:38] <gonzo_> morning world
[09:38] <gonzo_> anyone know if tim's launch is still on for today?
[09:38] <Darkside> i think so
[09:39] <gonzo_> good. Will be interesting to see if I can get any signals from it
[09:39] <Darkside> mmm i hope to receive it via a globaltuners site in dokkum
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[09:47] <costyn> Darkside: are you going to be decoding ssdv too?
[09:47] <Darkside> maybe
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[09:52] <gonzo_> I may switch to the ssdv chan if the signals on 50bd are strong
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[10:05] <fsphil> just reading up on the radiosonde stuff, they use 2400 baud signals
[10:05] <fsphil> and a 60mw transmitter
[10:06] <fsphil> we need more power :)
[10:06] <eroomde> what to receive?
[10:07] <fsphil> They use FM, almost any receiver works (though typically not the 817 -- just out of band)
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[10:07] <fsphil> I tracked one last night using a whip, until it was nearly over scotland
[10:08] <NigelMoby> didn't pick anything up from aberporth this morning fsphil :/
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[10:09] <fsphil> odd
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[10:10] <NigelMoby> ill try again at midday
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[10:51] <Darkside> hmm
[10:51] <Darkside> no news from Tim?
[10:52] <gonzo_> think he was planning an over-nighter. So he's prob alseep with his face in the payload
[10:52] <Darkside> heh
[10:52] <Darkside> he was meant to launch 15 min ago
[10:58] <gonzo_> ah, the tiem was quited in CEST, but it's not summer.
[10:58] <gonzo_> I thought it was an hr earlier!
[11:06] <Darkside> hmm what is he doing!
[11:07] <gonzo_> dudpect, far to busy to be posting here
[11:07] <gonzo_> suspect
[11:08] <gonzo_> (the fun of using VNC, you can't see the typo's till they've been sent)
[11:11] <NigelMoby> lol
[11:12] <costyn> it's now 12:12 CEST
[11:12] <costyn> so he should've launched
[11:12] Action: costyn goes to lunch
[11:14] <nosebleedKT> Darkside: did you see the radioshield?
[11:14] <Darkside> no
[11:14] <nosebleedKT> I posted you a link
[11:14] <nosebleedKT> :P
[11:14] <nosebleedKT> http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/317389_323519000995484_259791880701530_1463227_516128066_n.jpg
[11:14] <Darkside> oh that
[11:14] <nosebleedKT> decoded 1350 aprs messages in 3hrs
[11:15] <nosebleedKT> including mine
[11:15] <Darkside> its just the NRX2 with a amp isnt it
[11:15] <Darkside> going to one of the ADC pins
[11:15] <nosebleedKT> NRX1 with opamp yes
[11:15] <nosebleedKT> but it fits on arduino
[11:15] <nosebleedKT> thats the neat of it :P
[11:15] <nosebleedKT> you work with aprs?
[11:15] <Darkside> we have our own APRS transmitters boards
[11:16] <Darkside> if we do APRS RX on a balloon we won't be doing it with an arduino
[11:16] <nosebleedKT> ah
[11:17] <nosebleedKT> my target was to do the receive with an arduino, and yesterday i finally did it after 1.5yrs :)
[11:17] <nosebleedKT> I asked you so if you were interested to send you some shields.
[11:18] <Darkside> nah, no thanks
[11:18] <nosebleedKT> :p
[11:18] <Darkside> getting the RX modules for our frequency is difficult
[11:18] <Darkside> they cost a ton
[11:18] <nosebleedKT> what freq?
[11:18] <Darkside> 145.175MHz
[11:18] <Darkside> only australia uses it
[11:18] <nosebleedKT> did you ask rdiometrix?
[11:18] <Darkside> they'd have to custom make them
[11:19] <nosebleedKT> yes, they make custom for me too
[11:19] <nosebleedKT> all the radios i bought are custom
[11:19] <Darkside> anyway, we have a digipeater planned using one of their tunable transceiver modules
[11:19] <nosebleedKT> you can buy a 145.175mhz NRX1 and it wont be more than 50e
[11:19] <nosebleedKT> with transfer cost
[11:19] <Darkside> jeez
[11:20] <Darkside> scrre that
[11:20] <Darkside> screw*
[11:20] <nosebleedKT> lol
[11:20] <Darkside> seriously
[11:20] <nosebleedKT> man, we have crisis!
[11:20] <Darkside> we paid AUD$60 for the 145.175 300mw transmit modules
[11:20] <nosebleedKT> yes 300mw its expensive
[11:20] <Darkside> what i'd be doing is buying a cheap $40 chinese 2m handheld radio, and using that
[11:20] <Darkside> 1W or 5W transceiver
[11:20] <Darkside> done
[11:21] <nosebleedKT> cool
[11:21] <nosebleedKT> anyway
[11:21] <NigelMoby> I got a nice 2w handheld on fleabay darkside
[11:21] <NigelMoby> 40quid
[11:21] <Darkside> mm
[11:22] <NigelMoby> would prolly work nicely, quite small to.
[11:22] <Darkside> yeah
[11:22] <nosebleedKT> my plan is to have my own pc software with google maps and have real time tracking based on the data from the serial port
[11:22] <Darkside> i'm working on other things atm anyway...
[11:23] <Darkside> SDR board, LO board
[11:23] <NigelMoby> Lo?
[11:23] <Darkside> SDR board has been send off for manufacture, LO board will be manufactured in-house
[11:23] <Darkside> local oscillator
[11:23] <NigelMoby> Oo
[11:23] <Darkside> its a AD9851 arduino shield
[11:23] <Darkside> will work as an exciter for a HF payload too
[11:24] <NigelMoby> oh that's gonna be neat.
[11:24] <NigelMoby> when u expecting the sdr brd back?
[11:24] <Darkside> 2 weeks or so
[11:24] <NigelMoby> Nicey!
[11:24] <Darkside> the LO is for the SDR board, as it doesn't have a local oscilator on board
[11:25] <SpeedEvil> Darkside: interesting.
[11:25] <NigelMoby> ah, didn't spot that...lol
[11:26] <NigelMoby> hey speedy.
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[11:27] <SpeedEvil> hey
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[11:27] Action: SpeedEvil receives his nuclear fission reactor in the post.
[11:27] <SpeedEvil> (Ok, it's a tritium keychain light)
[11:28] <Darkside> heh i still have one of those
[11:28] <Darkside> for it about 5 years ago
[11:28] <Darkside> got it*
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[11:32] <SpeedEvil> Yeah - I have another.
[11:32] <SpeedEvil> _somewhere_.
[11:32] <SpeedEvil> :/
[11:32] <SpeedEvil> Not found it for 4 weeks though.
[11:32] <Darkside> heh
[11:32] <Darkside> still nothing from Tim..
[11:32] <Darkside> someone give him a phone call :P
[11:33] <fsphil> hehe, I've his number but no mobile signal. I work in a faraday cage
[11:33] <Darkside> heh
[11:39] <gonzo_> same here, with 100's of pc's and 100's of WLAN units
[11:39] <gonzo_> you can almost see the RF fog
[11:42] <costyn> I'll call him
[11:43] <costyn> no answer...
[11:43] <costyn> call goes to voicemail, which supports the hypothesis that he's still asleep
[11:45] <Darkside> pff
[11:45] <costyn> Darkside: sorry dude. :) must be getting late for you
[11:45] <Darkside> nah only 10pm
[11:46] <costyn> ah not too bad
[11:48] <Jessica_Lily> wow there is a picture of them launching a HAB in my chem textbook
[11:48] <Jessica_Lily> thats cool
[11:52] <gonzo_> anyone we know?!
[11:54] <Jessica_Lily> nawh :P it was launched in Antarctica so i doubt it
[12:06] <Darkside> tey the payload is on!
[12:14] <fsphil> partial image on the ssdv page
[12:14] <fsphil> 10 minutes ago
[12:15] <costyn> that's not what I'd call 'north side of Utrecht' :)
[12:15] <costyn> interesting how the 2 payloads are reporting different altitudes
[12:16] <Darkside> thats normal
[12:16] <Darkside> woah launch
[12:16] <costyn> Darkside: normal for one to stay on the ground and the other to launch? :)
[12:16] <Darkside> heh
[12:16] <Darkside> thats nor normal
[12:17] <costyn> maybe he's launching 2 separate balloons
[12:18] <Darkside> dammit theres local noise on 434.075 at dokkum
[12:23] <nosebleedKT> there was a ukhas link with a nice introduction on HABing but I cant find the link. Does anyone remembers it?
[12:28] <eroomde> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:beginners_guide_to_high_altitude_ballooning
[12:28] <eroomde> it's the first link on the front page
[12:29] <nosebleedKT> no, not this
[12:30] <nosebleedKT> it's another very nice article explaining the hobby.. I remembers it tells that to make a HAB you need to know about electronics, construction and software..
[12:30] <nosebleedKT> things like that
[12:31] <number10> fsphil - can you post link to sstv page (seemed to have lost it)
[12:31] <Darkside> ok i am receiving this balloon
[12:31] <Darkside> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/live/
[12:31] <number10> ta
[12:31] <Darkside> got a perfect signal with this globaltuner RX
[12:31] <costyn> ah cool... so there *are* 2 balloons
[12:31] <Darkside> no
[12:32] <Darkside> theres one
[12:32] <Darkside> just nobody is receiving data for the other payload
[12:32] <Darkside> dunno what tim is doing
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[12:32] <Darkside> need dutch-mill to RX the other payload
[12:32] <Darkside> what in the hell is in front of the camera
[12:32] Action: costyn is wondering that too
[12:33] <fsphil> what the
[12:33] <nosebleedKT> lol
[12:33] <Darkside> jeez i am the ONLY receiver
[12:33] <Darkside> this is kind of bad
[12:34] <fsphil> and very very odd
[12:34] <costyn> Darkside: since this morning I have a 817, so I'll soon be able to join in tracking; but not today :)
[12:35] <Darkside> costyn: are you at work or something?
[12:35] <costyn> Darkside: indeed
[12:35] <costyn> \
[12:35] <nosebleedKT> :P
[12:35] <fsphil> same here.. my home rig is setup but it's unlikely to get high enough for me to receive it
[12:36] <fsphil> if it's still up in an hour I'll give it a go
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[12:40] <gonzo_> nada here so far, poss when it gets higher
[12:43] <Darkside> oh good tim is RXing
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[12:48] <costyn> Tim said it would be a short one... looks like it from the ascent rate
[12:48] <Darkside> and tim has stopped RXing...
[12:48] <Darkside> grr
[12:48] <Darkside> looks like i'm here for a while
[12:48] <Darkside> can someone please rimg him and tell him to receive the 434.075MHz one if he can...
[12:49] <Darkside> i've for the 434.650MHZ one fine, but the 434.075MHz payload is going to be the one he needs to be RXing when this thing starts to fall
[12:49] <costyn> i'll try to give him a call
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[12:49] <Darkside> also i think the 300 baud one is the one that failed last time
[12:49] <UpuWork> I'm sat listening on on 075
[12:49] <Darkside> good
[12:49] <costyn> getting his voicemail again
[12:49] <Darkside> i can't RX on that frequency
[12:50] <UpuWork> out of range atm though
[12:50] <Darkside> so someone local needs to liten on 434.075
[12:50] <costyn> last time he had a bunch of local hams listening in too
[12:50] <costyn> guess he hasn't notified them now
[12:51] <Darkside> ok now he's RXing on the 300 baud payload
[12:51] <Darkside> bah
[12:51] <Darkside> the 300 baud payload just went to carrier
[12:51] <UpuWork> I see 075 signal
[12:51] <Darkside> just like last time
[12:51] <Darkside> ffs
[12:52] <UpuWork> hmm 075 just disappeared
[12:52] <UpuWork> no its there again
[12:53] <Darkside> i'm still seeing the carrier on 434.658
[12:53] <UpuWork> 434.076
[12:53] <Darkside> but its just carrier, that payload has died
[12:53] <UpuWork> very faint
[12:53] <Darkside> too much local QRM on 434.075 to receive anything
[12:53] <UpuWork> it needs a bit more height before I'll be able to decode this
[12:53] <UpuWork> and its drifting like a beyotch
[12:56] <UpuWork> 434.076 370 shift
[12:56] <Darkside> cant hear it on folkestone
[12:56] <UpuWork> wires switched you need RV checked...
[12:56] <UpuWork> got it
[12:57] <costyn> weird how the 2 payloads are wildly differing in location? they're about 10 - 15km apart
[12:57] <Darkside> costyn: its normal
[12:57] <costyn> k
[12:57] <Darkside> people arent RXing both paylaods
[12:57] <UpuWork> Should sort out shortly
[12:57] <daveake_> Powered by neutrinos
[12:57] <UpuWork> I'm decoding packets now
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[12:58] <TimZaman> launch now
[12:58] <UpuWork> they using different GPS ? Times are different
[12:58] <UpuWork> hi Tim :)
[12:58] <Darkside> TimZaman: we realised that
[12:58] <TimZaman> launched now at 133km
[12:58] Action: UpuWork pats Tim
[12:58] <Darkside> TimZaman: 300 baud payload dead
[12:58] <TimZaman> ssdv is stuck again
[12:58] <TimZaman> 3300baud dead yeah
[12:58] <Darkside> i cant RX 50 baud payload from dokkum due to local QRM
[12:59] <UpuWork> 50 baud is transmitting but you need RV checked
[12:59] <TimZaman> buuuh
[12:59] <Darkside> TimZaman: you REALLY need a watchdog timer on the beagleboard
[12:59] <TimZaman> yeah 50 baud workss fine
[12:59] <Darkside> becuase this has happened twice now
[13:00] <TimZaman> Darkside: yeah its got to do with temp i guess
[13:00] <TimZaman> save ocommentsfor later please
[13:00] <TimZaman> please help :)
[13:00] <TimZaman> were in 2 cars
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[13:00] <UpuWork> crashed ?
[13:02] <Darkside> UpuWork: dial for 50 baud?
[13:05] <UpuWork> 434.075
[13:05] <UpuWork> 370 shift
[13:05] <UpuWork> sorry had to take a call
[13:05] <Darkside> yeah not working on this receiver
[13:05] <Darkside> no probs
[13:05] <UpuWork> tracking and working :/
[13:08] <UpuWork> Distance 533km
[13:11] <UpuWork> Someone more local better start getting this or you've no chance on the way down
[13:11] <Darkside> UpuWork: tim has it in his car
[13:12] <UpuWork> ok
[13:13] <Darkside> or at least he did...
[13:15] <WillDuckworth> good range there UpuWork - are you remote controlling?
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[13:17] <Darkside> looks like tim has no signal...
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[13:18] <Darkside> TimZaman: not getting any signal?
[13:18] <UpuWork> yeah just RDP'd in from home
[13:18] <UpuWork> no sound
[13:18] <Darkside> UpuWork: you don't need that, its what FFTs are for!
[13:18] <Darkside> :P
[13:19] <TimZaman> upu thanksman
[13:19] <TimZaman> super work
[13:19] <TimZaman> who knows a GPSACP to google mapsc oordinate converter?
[13:19] <Darkside> TimZaman: you're going to need to be RXing solidly for when that thing pops
[13:19] <Darkside> you're going to be the only RX station
[13:20] <UpuWork> FFT ?
[13:20] <TimZaman> yeah yeah
[13:22] <TimZaman> kinda losing signal
[13:22] <UpuWork> you need to get shifting Tim
[13:22] <costyn> Fast Fourier Transform?
[13:22] <UpuWork> I won't be able to recieve this once it drops below 14km
[13:22] <Darkside> costyn: the waterfall display on dl-fldigi
[13:22] <costyn> :)
[13:23] <UpuWork> oh yeah
[13:23] <UpuWork> thats what I'm using
[13:23] <UpuWork> err
[13:23] <UpuWork> signal just went very very faint
[13:23] <UpuWork> or should I say
[13:23] <UpuWork> bye bye
[13:24] <UpuWork> oh wait its back
[13:25] <Darkside> did the txcount reset?
[13:25] <UpuWork> no
[13:25] <UpuWork> that was wierd
[13:25] <UpuWork> it just faded completely out
[13:25] <UpuWork> then came back in the same spot
[13:26] <UpuWork> could do with upping the output on the DigiMaster
[13:26] <UpuWork> but can't do that remotely
[13:27] <UpuWork> local QRM is messing decoding up
[13:27] <UpuWork> 22204
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[13:31] <UpuWork> wonder if that loss of signal was an atmospheric thing
[13:31] <UpuWork> it changed direction at the same time
[13:31] <Darkside> maybe
[13:31] <Darkside> could have been some weird fading due to ducting or something
[13:31] <UpuWork> signal nice and strong now 434.076 370
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[13:32] <TimZaman_> awful signal
[13:32] <TimZaman_> hate the kenwood th7f
[13:32] <TimZaman_> too much noise
[13:32] <Darkside> TimZaman: what antenna are you using
[13:32] <TimZaman_> crappy one
[13:32] <TimZaman_> little stick
[13:32] <TimZaman_> on the car
[13:32] <Darkside> do you have a yagi?
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[13:32] <TimZaman_> yeah sure
[13:32] <Darkside> also where are you
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[13:33] <TimZaman> arnhem
[13:33] <TimZaman> underneath it
[13:33] <Darkside> if you're anywhere below the balloon you're going to get crap signal
[13:33] <TimZaman> aaaaaaaaaaaah shit yeah thats it
[13:33] <Darkside> the nulls of both antennas will give you problems
[13:33] <Darkside> try putting the antenna on its side
[13:33] <Darkside> or point a yagi antenna upwards
[13:33] <fsphil> UpuWork, fading is most likely a null in your antenna
[13:33] <Darkside> fsphil: it was way too sudden
[13:33] <fsphil> aah
[13:33] <Darkside> that would have to be a really sharp null
[13:34] <Darkside> i'm betting it was ducting
[13:35] <TimZaman> ducting?
[13:36] <Darkside> tropospheric ducting, where water vapour in the air bends radio signals
[13:36] <Darkside> it can do some strange things
[13:36] <UpuWork> a null ? in MY ANTENNA how dare you*
[13:36] <fsphil> is the 50 baud signal still going?
[13:36] <UpuWork> *whats a null in antenna ?
[13:36] <UpuWork> yep
[13:36] <UpuWork> 434.076 370 shift
[13:36] <UpuWork> 550km
[13:37] <fsphil> the gain on a colinear has peeks and nulls
[13:37] <fsphil> depends on the angle
[13:37] <Darkside> fsphil: i dunno if they would have been that sharp
[13:37] <fsphil> yea
[13:37] <Darkside> also the payload suddenly changed direction when it happened
[13:37] <Darkside> so it could have been the payloads orientation changing
[13:37] <fsphil> more likely the antenna on the payload pointing away
[13:37] <UpuWork> whats the antenna ?
[13:38] <Darkside> 1/4 wave whip i'd assume...
[13:39] <costyn> Tim always uses a 1/4 wave yes
[13:40] <fsphil> what's the dial frequency for pd4ta?
[13:40] <Darkside> 434.076
[13:41] <UpuWork> wtf
[13:41] <UpuWork> POLARIZING SPaCE !! Thng Poroid ... !! pOLARIZING`HBc0__{$$PD4TE,774,13:39:59,51982X,+5.[23559,9,-16,4054*332B
[13:41] <UpuWork> ! POlARIZING SPACE !
[13:41] <fsphil> lol
[13:41] <TimZaman> ahahahahaha
[13:41] <Darkside> what the hell is that
[13:41] <UpuWork> you can tell drugs are legal over there
[13:41] <TimZaman> haha
[13:41] <UpuWork> $$PD4TA,?[k76]Z7,51.9823,+5.8618,24080,9,-16,4047*9FC6
[13:41] <UpuWork> ! POLARIZING SPaCE !! Thng Poroid ... !! pOLARIZING`HBc0__{$$PD4TE,774,13:39:59,51982X,+5.[23559,9,-16,4054*332B
[13:41] <UpuWork> ! POlARIZING SPACE !$$PD4TA,775,13:40:47,51.9819,+5.8676,21671,9,-16,4054*E79F
[13:41] <UpuWork> ! POLARIZING SPACE !$$PD4TA,7'6,13:41:09,51.9x17,+5~t689,20862,9,-16,4054*B6B1
[13:41] <UpuWork> ! POLARIZn~PA
[13:42] <fsphil> taking the pictures hopefully!
[13:42] <Darkside> ahh
[13:42] <fsphil> unsurprisingly, no signal here :)
[13:42] <Darkside> so it does that whenever it takes a polaroid
[13:42] <fsphil> got some really weird nonsense on the waterfall though
[13:42] <Darkside> burst
[13:42] <UpuWork> yes
[13:42] <UpuWork> burst
[13:42] <UpuWork> Best pick it up Tim
[13:43] <Darkside> TimZaman: get to a high location NOW, and get the yagi out
[13:43] <TimZaman> hahaha yeah
[13:43] <TimZaman> live prediction?
[13:43] <costyn> Darkside: high location? in the Netherlands?
[13:43] <Darkside> nope ts not running
[13:43] <UpuWork> still taking pictures
[13:43] <Darkside> costyn: point taken
[13:43] <Darkside> TimZaman: no predictions running
[13:43] <Darkside> you'll have to play this one by ear i guess
[13:44] <UpuWork> fading badly
[13:44] <UpuWork> gone
[13:44] <Darkside> i'm setting it downloading data for delft
[13:44] <Darkside> i think
[13:44] <UpuWork> back but faint
[13:44] <Darkside> so they might start working in a few minutes
[13:44] <Darkside> but yeah, you guys need to get out a yagi now and get data flowing
[13:45] <UpuWork> faded out
[13:45] <UpuWork> i suspect its out of my range
[13:46] <Darkside> prolly gone too low
[13:46] <UpuWork> yup gone
[13:46] <UpuWork> POLARIZING SPACE !$$PD4TA,781,13:43:00,51.9794,+5P:860,17514T,-16,4054*6370
[13:46] <UpuWork> ! POLARIZINSPdE !F$PD4@CS#S+K;K+CK3K9,-16,IeAGyN[GHw@ESE![w/woQ!Vw;fn]MXI6n9"? q4TvLL(s|_$IGB8u(jv8wFz{wW~oo~7w6D[NA|x4,1sz4:0/ 1n76, 77,1778xY,7,X40f@U0Cv>;ggpcT !w)v}eTa\0;21$1|8MsH2_M}P? MJ{sT@:`t
[13:46] <UpuWork> KXf&T0
[13:46] <UpuWork> last one I got
[13:48] <TimZaman> $$PD4A,789,13:48:15,51.9<49,+5.9209,10964,9,-21,015*74BE
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[13:50] <Darkside> looks like the predictions have started to work
[13:50] <Darkside> dunno if i'd trust them at this point
[13:50] <Darkside> but its something
[13:54] <Darkside> i wonder where TimZaman is
[13:54] <TimZaman> we are now near pannerden
[13:54] <Darkside> cool
[13:54] <Darkside> sounds good
[13:55] <Darkside> you seeing the prediction?
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[13:56] <Darkside> get into the right place and you might be able to watch this one land!
[13:56] <fsphil> I want to be the first to catch one :)
[13:56] <Darkside> its gonna go further north than the prediction
[13:56] <Darkside> it looks like its going to land north of where it says De Jezuiten Waai
[13:57] <Darkside> jeez that thing is plummeting still
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[14:00] <Darkside> oh jeez
[14:00] <Darkside> this is trilling
[14:00] <Darkside> thrilling
[14:00] <Darkside> will it land in water or not
[14:02] <costyn> it's going down pretty fast
[14:02] <Darkside> yeah that thing is really plummeting
[14:02] <costyn> not so much landing as crashing at 35 km/h
[14:02] <Darkside> i don't think the polaroid camera is going to like that
[14:03] <costyn> no, but it's already taken it's pics
[14:03] <Darkside> yeah
[14:03] <costyn> was that the last reading?
[14:03] <Darkside> i thought they were near that area
[14:04] <costyn> Darkside: yes, they were
[14:04] <Darkside> at that distance they should get data down way lower than that, even with a 1/4 wave whip
[14:05] <costyn> well at 35 km/h the last 450 meters will be covered in 45 seconds
[14:05] <costyn> so it's definitely landed/crashed now
[14:05] <Darkside> yeah it'd be down by now for sure
[14:07] <UpuWork> did it have a parachute on it ? :)
[14:07] <Darkside> didn't look like it lol
[14:08] <UpuWork> meanwhile somewhere near Arnhem the earth gained a new crater today...
[14:09] <Darkside> well i think this is my cue to get ready for bed
[14:10] <gonzo_> the landing zone looks pretty rural. Some electricity pylons in the area though
[14:10] <gonzo_> you planning to recover it?
[14:11] <Darkside> well i'm not
[14:11] <Darkside> i'm sure they are though
[14:11] <gonzo_> you=they
[14:11] <gonzo_> hehe
[14:11] <costyn> gonzo_: yes, there is a polaroid camera onboard... im' sure they want the pics it took :)
[14:12] <gonzo_> I take it that they were using the polaroid as the frame store for the ssdv?
[14:13] <gonzo_> or was that totally separate?
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[14:13] <Darkside> uhh, its an actual polaroid camera gonzo_
[14:13] <Darkside> as in, film
[14:13] <gonzo_> wondered if they were taking the polaroid pic, then had a cam pointing at the developing pic
[14:14] <Darkside> nah
[14:14] <Darkside> the ssdv cam was pointed out
[14:14] <gonzo_> a processor with plenty of ram them
[14:14] <gonzo_> n
[14:14] <Darkside> you dont need ram to do SSDV, not with the cameras fsphil uses
[14:15] <fsphil> the polaroid has already taken the pics, it doesn't need to survive :)
[14:15] <fsphil> yea ssdv uses very little memory
[14:15] <fsphil> as long as the jpeg conforms to the limitations
[14:15] <gonzo_> i did wonder
[14:16] <Darkside> tim is kind of doing it the brute force wy though
[14:16] <gonzo_> how long does a pic take to send at 300bd and what res?
[14:16] <Darkside> with a beagleboard
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[14:28] <fsphil> gonzo_, at 320x240 it takes about 3-5 minutes depending on complexity
[14:29] <fsphil> to get around the same speed as sstv it really needs to be doing 1200 baud
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[14:31] <gonzo_> ta for the info phil
[14:31] <fsphil> I'll be able to shave a little time of it if I can do it without the rtty extra bits
[14:31] <fsphil> but that means writing a proper decoder
[14:31] <Darkside> you'd need training sequences and things too
[14:31] <SpeedEvil> And more if you added FEC and boosted the rate
[14:33] <fsphil> nah, don't think it needs any more?
[14:33] <gonzo_> what colour depth?
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> I mean - you can wind up thespeed a lot if you add FEC.
[14:34] <fsphil> it has FEC
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> ah
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> It does?
[14:34] Action: SpeedEvil missed that.
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> I thought it wa just raw jpeg packets.
[14:34] <fsphil> gonzo_, 4:2:0 yuv
[14:35] <fsphil> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:ssdv
[14:36] <gonzo_> thnaks, will read
[14:50] <fsphil> I've still some ideas for improving it, and would love suggestions
[14:53] <Laurenceb> http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/googlyshield <- facepalm
[14:59] <SamSilver_> RESISTOR, AXIAL LEADED, METAL FILM, 1%, 1/2W (0.5W), 2E2 OHMS < is this the same as 2k2 ohms?
[14:59] <SamSilver_> nick SamSilver
[14:59] <Darkside> no thats peobably 2.2 ohms
[14:59] Nick change: SamSilver_ -> SamSilver
[15:00] <SamSilver> thanx Darkside
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[15:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi, anyone hearing the dutch ballons?
[15:02] <Darkside> its landed OZ1SKY_Brian
[15:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> both of them?=
[15:03] <Darkside> there was only one
[15:03] <Darkside> just 2 payloads
[15:03] <Darkside> one of which died
[15:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ahh ok i see
[15:14] <fsphil> did the beagle fail at the same altitude as last time?
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[15:33] <costyn> fsphil: seems more like the same amount of time after launch actually
[15:36] <SamSilver> costyn: how many mins ?
[15:37] <SamSilver> about 45
[15:38] <SamSilver> hmmm
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[16:20] <joph> nice, actually receiving a few cb signals out of the usa
[16:20] <joph> i have to build a better antenna
[16:21] <fsphil> sweet
[16:21] <fsphil> I heard an FM repeater from new york a few weeks back
[16:21] <Upu> any news from Tim on payload recovery ?
[16:22] <fsphil> nothing so far
[16:22] <fsphil> wait, tell a lie, got an email from him asking me to add a point to the map
[16:22] <fsphil> looks like it came from a gsm tracker
[16:24] <fsphil> I don't have the url for adding them on this computer: 51.908240, 6.014980
[16:25] <joph> but there's a lot of noise
[16:25] <joph> thats a big problem
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[16:32] <costyn> fsphil: looks like it landed on top of the farm building :)
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[16:33] <gonzo_> could have been worse, there are power lines to the north
[16:33] <gonzo_> wonder if the telem was still transmitting then?
[16:33] <fsphil> he never does land them normally :)
[16:33] <fsphil> then again, neither do I
[16:34] <costyn> fsphil: the one a couple weeks ago landed on a sidewalk; not too weird
[16:34] <fsphil> true
[16:34] <gonzo_> you need a chase car with a roof rack and ladders
[16:34] <fsphil> chain saw in the boot
[16:34] <gonzo_> hehe yes
[16:35] <gonzo_> thouigh that upsets house holders when ity's on their roof
[16:35] <fsphil> proper boots for walking over bog
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[16:40] <Futurity> Hi, I take it that the signal was lost for PD4TASSDV and its not still up in the air?
[16:40] <Upu> its down
[16:40] <Upu> that one stopped on the way up
[16:40] <Futurity> i see
[16:40] <Upu> PD4TA was fine though, not heard if its been recovered yet
[16:40] <Futurity> was hoping that there was still a launch in progress to track
[16:41] <Futurity> I saw that a tracker based near Leeds picked up the signal :)
[16:41] <Upu> yeah thats me
[16:41] <Futurity> Fantastic
[16:41] <Futurity> Didn't know you were approximately Leeds based
[16:42] <Futurity> Though it may have been Rob
[16:42] <Upu> I'm very close to Rob
[16:42] <Futurity> Great tracking there btw
[16:42] <Upu> we can hear each others payloads when testing with no antennas in the house
[16:42] <Upu> 10 miles los
[16:43] <Futurity> lol
[16:43] <Upu> cheers though I think they height may have something to do with it
[16:43] <Futurity> I really need to get my basic payload built
[16:43] <Futurity> I have some transmitter modules now (wrong frequency but good enough for testing)
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[16:43] <Futurity> Only about a month left to get it up in the air this year otherwise I will have broken my new year resolution
[16:44] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[16:44] <Futurity> hi
[16:44] <Upu> break it and do lots of testing :)
[16:44] <Upu> testing >> resolutions
[16:44] <Upu> afternoon Lunar_Lander
[16:44] <Futurity> Hi Luna
[16:44] <Lunar_Lander> how is the life?
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[16:45] <Lunar_Lander> hi Dan-K2VOL
[16:46] <Dan-K2VOL> hi Lunar_Lander
[16:46] <Dan-K2VOL> this is irritating. Freenode is letting me on using the US Sprint network mobile internet, but not through Verizon and AT&T
[16:46] <Dan-K2VOL> how are you kevin
[16:47] <Lunar_Lander> I'm OK, thanks, and you?
[16:49] <fsphil> Dan-K2VOL, try connecting to one of the ssl ports
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[16:51] <Dan-K2VOL> oh really, good idea, didn't know those were there. it will let me in, but demands that I use a different authentication, which my client doesn't support
[16:51] <Dan-K2VOL> I'll try SSL next time I'm on ATT
[16:52] <Dan-K2VOL> doing well, just posting pics of the SPITBall-1 flight. posted a blog with a recap: http://j.mp/ddzFgK
[16:52] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[16:52] <Lunar_Lander> let's read it
[16:55] <Lunar_Lander> thanks for writing it down dan
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[16:57] <Lunar_Lander> anybody have experience on running all the balloon stuff on ubuntu?
[16:58] <Lunar_Lander> Arduino and dl-fldigi should work on it I think
[16:59] <Dan-K2VOL> you're welcome Kevin, it's not quite the detailed story, I want to get some pics of launch before doing a narrative, but this is the science details and a few in-flight pics
[16:59] <Dan-K2VOL> that's me in the wet pants
[17:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:00] <Lunar_Lander> do you have ubuntu experience?
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[17:01] <fsphil> dl-fldigi runs find in ubuntu. although I don't use ubuntu personally
[17:01] <fsphil> fine*
[17:01] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[17:01] <Lunar_Lander> I decided to move to ubuntu
[17:02] <Lunar_Lander> because I think it is nice
[17:02] <Lunar_Lander> :P no
[17:02] <Lunar_Lander> a guy at uni said "I use linux for work and windows only for gaming"
[17:03] <fsphil> I use Linux at home, Windows at work
[17:04] <Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-15870279
[17:04] <Laurenceb> rflmao
[17:05] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[17:05] <Lunar_Lander> I'll be back on later
[17:06] <Dan-K2VOL> how are you doing fsphil
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[17:10] <fsphil> all good here Dan-K2VOL, just getting ready to head home. at last. yay :)
[17:10] <Dan-K2VOL> nice, we're driving to family for the Thanksgiving day feast
[17:11] <fsphil> ah yes, you do all your turkey eating this week
[17:11] <Dan-K2VOL> yes, got to have some excuse to develop monster birds
[17:11] <Dan-K2VOL> :-P
[17:12] <fsphil> lol
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[17:12] <fsphil> we usually get turkey on christmas day
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[17:13] <fsphil> turkey, gravy, mashed potato, plenty of pepper. mmmm
[17:14] <Dan-K2VOL> mmmmm indeed!
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[17:14] <Dan-K2VOL> ok. we're here, have a nice day all!
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[17:24] <NigeyS> anyone got the link for the xml generator ?
[17:34] <number10> is this it NigeyS http://habhub.org/genpayload/
[17:39] <NigeyS> duh im dense, hah, cheers number10
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[18:56] <nosebleedKT> ping fsphil
[18:59] <fsphil-laptop> he never answers
[18:59] <nosebleedKT> lol
[18:59] <nosebleedKT> tricky
[19:00] <nosebleedKT> phil
[19:00] <nosebleedKT> there was a ukhas link with a nice introduction on HABing but I cant find the link.
[19:00] <nosebleedKT> it's a very nice article explaining the hobby.. I remembers it tells that to make a HAB you need to know about electronics, construction and software..
[19:01] <NigeyS> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:beginners_guide_to_high_altitude_ballooning
[19:01] <NigeyS> ?
[19:01] <nosebleedKT> no this
[19:01] <nosebleedKT> why cant anyone find it!
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[19:02] <fsphil-laptop> that's the only one I know
[19:02] <NigeyS> because ure delusional and the article you refer to isnt a ukhas article, or does not exist?
[19:03] <nosebleedKT> lol
[19:04] <nosebleedKT> ahhhh, i will find jcoxon and prove you wrong!
[19:04] <fsphil-laptop> yea, possibly not on the wiki and someone else wrote it?
[19:05] <nosebleedKT> man i clearly remember that it was saying that HABing includes electronics,software and how good your are in constructions
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> Check the history.
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> See if you're going mad.
[19:06] <nosebleedKT> haha
[19:07] <nosebleedKT> instead of complaining maybe you should help !
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[19:07] <fsphil-laptop> actually that's a good idea, it may be in your browser history
[19:11] <fsphil-laptop> finally good a good look at the ssdv page. really though .... what?
[19:12] <nosebleedKT> how to search browsing history, its huge
[19:13] <fsphil-laptop> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/images/2011-11-24--12-34-15-PD4TASSDV-09.jpeg
[19:13] <fsphil-laptop> ^^ nice long shadow
[19:13] <fsphil-laptop> almost looks like a shot from a shuttle launch
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> nosebleedKT: I need to re-setup wwwoffle
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[19:16] <SpeedEvil> nosebleedKT: this is a cache of every page you ever visit, indexed (or it can be considered as such)
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> configured
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[19:23] <nosebleedKT> sometimes i dont get english lang
[19:23] <fsphil-laptop> nor me
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[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> hello again
[19:31] <nosebleedKT> yo
[19:31] <nosebleedKT> Lunar_Lander: a package is on the way to germany:P
[19:32] <SpeedEvil> Nor me.
[19:32] <SpeedEvil> Though fortunately, this has been limited to 3 or so hours this year.
[19:32] <SpeedEvil> Transient aphasia isn't fun.
[19:32] <SpeedEvil> (migraine)
[19:32] <nosebleedKT> 2xradioshield, 2xflight system, 1xvable
[19:32] <nosebleedKT> aphasia ?
[19:32] <nosebleedKT> we got same word
[19:32] <nosebleedKT> what does it mean?
[19:33] <SpeedEvil> The inability to understand or produce language.
[19:33] <nosebleedKT> lol
[19:33] <SpeedEvil> Specifically, I can understand single words, but not sentances.
[19:34] <nosebleedKT> means almost same in greek
[19:34] <SpeedEvil> And can't speak. (during those periods)
[19:34] <SpeedEvil> It's a latin medical term.
[19:34] <nosebleedKT> omg
[19:34] <nosebleedKT> not its greek
[19:34] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[19:34] <nosebleedKT> a-phase
[19:34] <SpeedEvil> latin - greek - mostly the same.
[19:34] <SpeedEvil> :)
[19:34] <nosebleedKT> no :P
[19:34] <SpeedEvil> I know.
[19:34] <nosebleedKT> you have a problem?
[19:35] <SpeedEvil> Only rarely.
[19:35] <nosebleedKT> crisis?
[19:35] <SpeedEvil> Several times a yea.
[19:35] <SpeedEvil> r
[19:35] <SpeedEvil> Due to migraine.
[19:35] Action: nosebleedKT googles migraine
[19:35] <nosebleedKT> a lol
[19:35] <nosebleedKT> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migraine
[19:36] <nosebleedKT> imikrania
[19:36] <nosebleedKT> greek derivative again
[19:36] <SpeedEvil> Greek and latin are all over medicine
[19:36] <nosebleedKT> means Semy-skull
[19:36] <nosebleedKT> semi*
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[19:36] <nosebleedKT> and it hurts SpeedEvil when you have that?
[19:37] <TimZaman> hi
[19:37] <nosebleedKT> yo
[19:37] <nosebleedKT> zaman
[19:37] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[19:37] <TimZaman> got myself the worlds first polaroids from space.
[19:37] <SpeedEvil> :)
[19:37] <nosebleedKT> lol
[19:37] <TimZaman> 10 in a pack, took 7, nothing left in the container, wtf
[19:37] <SpeedEvil> TimZaman: Poke their media people?
[19:38] <TimZaman> what?
[19:38] <SpeedEvil> I mean for another flight funding - free stuff, ...
[19:39] <TimZaman> i dont get it
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> I mean that they may be interested in sponsoring a flight.
[19:42] <Paradoxial> TimZaman: The aliens took them
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[19:43] <TimZaman> oh yeah well no i dont like sponsoring
[19:43] <TimZaman> i'd like to be 100% independent
[19:43] <TimZaman> i dont like disappointing people
[19:43] <TimZaman> i do like that i have the first polaoirds from space though
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> did you send up one of those old cameras?
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> TimZaman: Is this the new digital polaroid?
[19:46] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, you mean very high up, not space? :)
[19:46] <nosebleedKT> I need to write an article for a magazine about HAbing and i dontknow where to start from ! And I cant find that intro in ukhas...argggggggg
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> like this? http://www.ukhas.org.uk/general:beginners_guide_to_high_altitude_ballooning
[19:47] <nosebleedKT> lol, not again!
[19:47] <nosebleedKT> everyone points me there
[19:47] <jonsowman> you said you couldn't find it?
[19:47] <NigeyS> sure u dont mean the article that was on sparkfun ?
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[19:48] <nosebleedKT> jonsowman: hi, yes
[19:48] <NigeyS> http://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/180
[19:48] <nosebleedKT> i dont know if it was jcoxon or you
[19:48] <NigeyS> if it's that 1, i'm going to beat you with a 1/4 wave whip !
[19:48] <nosebleedKT> i clearly remember that it was saying that HABing includes electronics,software and how good your are in constructions
[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> xD NigeyS
[19:49] <jonsowman> NigeyS: haha
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[19:49] <nosebleedKT> lol
[19:49] <nosebleedKT> hi jcoxon
[19:49] <jcoxon> evening
[19:49] <nosebleedKT> jcoxon: i have a problem
[19:49] <NigeyS> wait for it james.........
[19:49] <nosebleedKT> possible memory problem
[19:50] <nosebleedKT> you might help me
[19:50] <jcoxon> ummmm
[19:50] <jcoxon> okay
[19:50] <nosebleedKT> there is/was an article on ukhas(propably, not sure 100% though) about habing. I clearly remember that it was saying that HABing includes electronics,software and how good your are in constructions
[19:50] <SpeedEvil> nosebleedKT: have you tried taking it out, blowing on the slots, and then putting it back in?
[19:50] <NigeyS> pmsl SpeedEvil
[19:51] <nosebleedKT> SpeedEvil: ssss. let jcoxon think.
[19:51] <jonsowman> turn it off and on again?
[19:51] <NigeyS> if only
[19:51] <NigeyS> :P
[19:51] <jonsowman> paha
[19:51] <gonzo_> and wiping the sky viewing card with a dry cloth?
[19:51] <nosebleedKT> oh not again the strange english lang
[19:51] <jcoxon> nosebleedKT, what i need to tell you? where the article is?
[19:52] <nosebleedKT> YES !
[19:52] <nosebleedKT> someone give me that ffff* link!
[19:52] <jcoxon> nosebleedKT, was it a guide to make a payload?
[19:52] <nosebleedKT> im not crazy
[19:52] <nosebleedKT> yes
[19:53] <nosebleedKT> it was an intro
[19:53] <nosebleedKT> but not the one on ukhas for begginers
[19:53] <jcoxon> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/projects:picoatlas:picoatlasi
[19:54] <nosebleedKT> not this
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[19:54] <Laurenceb_> supppp
[19:54] <NigeyS> hey Laurenceb
[19:54] <jcoxon> nosebleedKT, no idea then
[19:54] <Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-15842559
[19:54] <Laurenceb_> meanwhile in Derby
[19:54] Action: Laurenceb_ lives there
[19:54] <nosebleedKT> I clearly remember that it was saying that to make a hab you need electronics, software and having construction skills
[19:55] <jcoxon> Laurenceb_, i'm suprised it wasn't you in the clothes horse
[19:55] <NigeyS> oh dear, shes originally welsh :|
[19:55] Action: NigeyS hides in a corner
[19:55] <SpeedEvil> nosebleedKT: Go to google, point it at the site, and enter as many keywords as you can remember.
[19:56] <number10> its problima mnimis
[19:56] <TimZaman> can everyone here like my TEDx talk
[19:56] <TimZaman> i would be honoured
[19:56] <TimZaman> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kShT_Z3GJSU
[19:56] <TimZaman> ;)
[19:56] <NigeyS> cost ya £20 :p
[19:56] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[19:56] <TimZaman> ill pay
[19:57] <NigeyS> haha nice!!
[19:57] <TimZaman> Maybe
[19:57] <fsphil-laptop> drat, I already did it
[19:57] <TimZaman> darn
[19:57] <fsphil-laptop> :p
[19:57] <TimZaman> :'(
[19:57] <fsphil-laptop> shame it didn't update live
[19:57] <NigeyS> done :) was a good talk Tim
[19:57] <fsphil-laptop> and it looks to have done the same thing today
[19:58] <fsphil-laptop> guess beagles are afraid of heights
[19:58] <NigeyS> or the cold
[19:58] <nosebleedKT> number10: wtf again!
[19:58] <TimZaman> beagles fcking suck
[19:59] <TimZaman> i do have all the outputs logged though
[19:59] <number10> than briasi
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> Laurenceb_ today I finally read your PDF through
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> I see that your design needs 100 M and 1G resistors
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> where did you get them?
[20:00] <Laurenceb_> i dont know
[20:00] <nosebleedKT> number10: you lol
[20:00] <Laurenceb_> found them in spare parts drawer :P
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> good
[20:00] Action: nosebleedKT will quit writing the magazine article
[20:00] <number10> cant type was then birasi
[20:00] <nosebleedKT> hahhahahah
[20:00] <nosebleedKT> den peirazei
[20:00] <number10> its all greek to me
[20:01] <nosebleedKT> im sure you got some connection here
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[20:12] <fsphil-laptop> hehe, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6DQetaN3uQ
[20:13] <fsphil-laptop> hab'ing from the point of view of the house it landed on :)
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> xD dan's landing, right?
[20:13] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[20:13] <fsphil-laptop> that's a big balloon
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> Tim's talk is just 5 minutes
[20:14] <fsphil-laptop> yep
[20:14] <fsphil-laptop> I'm going to make that a rule for any of my talks in future
[20:14] <fsphil-laptop> 5 or 10 minutes :)
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:14] <fsphil-laptop> any longer and I'd just bore people to death
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> XD here
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> "But trust me, before that point in time, no one will understand what you are working on and no one will get your point!"
[20:19] <fsphil-laptop> it's always nice to have goals
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> like Walter Lewin
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-01-physics-i-classical-mechanics-fall-1999/
[20:27] <fsphil-laptop> The London olympics hasn't even started yet, and I'm already sick of it ;)
[20:27] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:29] Action: SpeedEvil imagines greco-roman ladies beach volleyball.
[20:29] <SpeedEvil> I'm not sure exactly what the rules would be, but it sounds fun.
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raurl4s0pjU
[20:29] <fsphil-laptop> Robot Vollyball Wars!
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> yay!
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> Robot Wars was awesome
[20:30] <fsphil-laptop> it very was
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> they only showed Series 3 and 4 in germany though :(
[20:30] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander: I thought that it was a special ruler.
[20:30] <SpeedEvil> Then...
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> people think he presses the chalk on the board so that it jumps
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[20:35] <TimZaman> wow just received my NTX2-usbstickpcb's and 2x1600g hwoyee
[20:35] <TimZaman> and i still have 10sqm helium left!
[20:35] <SpeedEvil> :)
[20:35] <SpeedEvil> Funky.
[20:35] <fsphil-laptop> I sense a launch coming :)
[20:35] <TimZaman> saturday maybe
[20:35] <TimZaman> high altitude attempt?
[20:35] <TimZaman> ;)
[20:35] Action: SpeedEvil imagines 2d helium.
[20:36] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[20:36] <fsphil-laptop> 1 atom thick sheet
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman: your talk was cool!
[20:41] <fsphil-laptop> so a large black sheet, 5m x 5m, with a clear plastic sheet on top the same size
[20:41] <fsphil-laptop> would the black sheet warm up enough, and the clear sheet trap enough warm air, to float?
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[20:47] <x-f> you're thinking a solar balloon?
[20:47] <x-f> that is quite big
[20:47] <fsphil-laptop> just pondering
[20:54] <x-f> fsphil, see the file "tetraoon.xls" - http://www.alistairdickie.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25&Itemid=27
[20:54] <x-f> those calculations will give you an idea of its lift
[20:54] <nosebleedKT> one good friend is first day in army and he called me !
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> what did he say?
[20:54] <nosebleedKT> lol
[20:54] <nosebleedKT> he is tired
[20:54] <nosebleedKT> haha
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:55] <nosebleedKT> i told him you have 9months-1day left
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[20:56] <nosebleedKT> ooh, how much i hate when someone goes in army when he doesnt want
[20:56] <gonzo_> aonyone here had any experience of the GPS-1513 rx?
[20:56] <x-f> fsphil, do not build a "square-shaped" balloon, it will be very difficult to handle (i did that mistake)
[20:57] <fsphil-laptop> x-f, was thinking of something like a pancake
[20:57] <fsphil-laptop> but yea 5m is a bit big
[20:57] <fsphil-laptop> 2m more likely
[20:58] <x-f> the wind will push out the air from it
[20:58] <x-f> something like 2x4 would be better
[20:58] <x-f> more like Dan's balloon
[20:58] <fsphil-laptop> tall rather than flat
[20:58] <x-f> yes
[20:58] <fsphil-laptop> good point
[20:59] <fsphil-laptop> cylindrical maybe
[20:59] <fsphil-laptop> would be simpler to make from sheets
[20:59] <TimZaman> okay im go ing to play GAMES for one hour and then go to sleep
[20:59] <TimZaman> Luv
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[21:00] <fsphil-laptop> whoops, batteries running out
[21:01] <fsphil-laptop> Why do I get the vision of Tim logging into an ancient US military system...
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[21:03] <gonzo_> WOPR
[21:05] <fsphil-laptop> mmm. 2m solar balloon would not need a notam
[21:07] <fsphil-laptop> brb, need to find my laptop charger
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[21:24] <fsphil> seems someone has taken it *looks at the dog*
[21:26] <fsphil> prediction for tonights radiosonde launch from hillsborough: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=f46d099375ec9c7b86ee5e7b4fbb5c2db4bc0ade
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[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> everything had gotten stuck
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[21:59] <joph> Lunar_Lander, you should try listening with a cb radio, at today i was able to listen to a few american cb sender
[21:59] <joph> the overange at the afternoon is great
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> what frequency?
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[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> can you still read me?
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[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> hello Paradoxial
[22:21] <joph> mostly all channel ;)
[22:21] <joph> channel 6 am is good
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander> brb
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[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> something in ubuntu hangs
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[22:37] <fsphil> what are thay talking about joph?
[22:37] <joph> fsphil, receiving cb radio in europe from the usa
[22:37] <fsphil> yea, but what are they saying?
[22:38] <joph> i can't understand them ;)
[22:38] <fsphil> lol
[22:38] <joph> actually i can't receive them
[22:38] <fsphil> are they still coming in?
[22:39] <joph> 15:00 to 18:00 i'm able to receive them
[22:39] <joph> but's already 23:39 localtime
[22:39] <joph> so i can't receive them at the moment
[22:39] <joph> this weekend i'll build a better antenna
[22:39] <Paradoxial> Lunar_Lander: We are back on track for that balloon board
[22:40] <Paradoxial> There were some delays while we were reorganizing our code base
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> no problem
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[22:48] <nosebleedKT> well
[22:48] <nosebleedKT> fsphil
[22:49] <nosebleedKT> listen to me
[22:49] <nosebleedKT> my question
[22:49] <nosebleedKT> :)
[22:49] <nosebleedKT> Radiometrix HX1 300mw datasheet says it needs 5v input voltage. However I just used it with 3v3 and it transmitted successfully.
[22:50] <nosebleedKT> How is that? Why? It will destroy it? Or it just output <300mw ?
[22:52] <fsphil> less power and possibly off frequency
[22:53] <nosebleedKT> but it transmitted
[22:53] <nosebleedKT> and received by 144.8mhz station
[22:57] <nosebleedKT> anyway go to sleep
[22:57] <nosebleedKT> cu arround!
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[23:09] <Laurenceb_> splittzzzz
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[23:11] <NigeyS> banana
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> Turnip!
[23:11] <NigeyS> Swede!!
[23:12] <SpeedEvil> Agnetha Fältskog!
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