highaltitude.log.20111119

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[00:25] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[01:52] <SpeedEvil> http://www.cutedigi.com/product_info.php?products_id=4444&osCsid=6c898c7570ec096d6c3a6f61260ad077
[01:52] <SpeedEvil> jpeg
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[08:12] <earthshine> o/
[08:14] <ATMinthebigcity> hi(gh)
[08:20] <ATMinthebigcity> later
[08:20] <ATMinthebigcity> i'm going to jet out of here.
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[08:28] <nosebleedKT> goodmorning
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[08:36] <nosebleedKT> the big picture in the ukhas frontpage belongs to whom ? jcoxon ?
[08:39] <Upu> HASPD panorama I think
[08:39] <Upu> HAPS-D even
[08:39] <nosebleedKT> who's that proeject?
[08:39] <Upu> http://www.nivnac.co.uk/blog1.php
[08:40] <nosebleedKT> Some greek linux magazine asked me to write an article about habing and they want a sample picture to put in frontpage
[08:40] <nosebleedKT> so i need to ask someone to give me his rights :)
[08:40] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/IMG_6480_stitch.jpg
[08:40] <nosebleedKT> to use a picture of their missions
[08:40] <Darkside> i'm pretty sure all the project horus pictures are creative commons'd
[08:41] <Upu> always polite to ask though
[08:41] <Upu> morning Darkside
[08:41] <Darkside> hai Upu
[08:41] <nosebleedKT> Upu: thats from your mission?
[08:41] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/IMG_6494_stitch.jpg
[08:41] <Upu> yeah
[08:41] <Upu> Darkside all the commands for the uBlox 6 are the same as 5 yeah ?
[08:42] <nosebleedKT> Upu: y
[08:42] <Upu> and ublox 6 has been flight tested by Mr Darkside ?
[08:43] <Darkside> yes
[08:43] <Darkside> worked fine
[08:44] <Upu> oool thx
[08:44] <nosebleedKT> something funny: my payload is still working rock solid for 20hrs having done 2013 transmissions
[08:44] <nosebleedKT> and voltage still didnt drop
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[08:52] <nosebleedKT> Upu you know that in the 1st pic you camera caught some starts too, do u?
[08:52] <Upu> yeah look carefully the moon is on there too
[08:52] <nosebleedKT> below the moon is a white star. could be some planet
[08:53] <nosebleedKT> below and on the right
[08:53] <Upu> I think people decide it was noise on the ccd
[08:53] <nosebleedKT> wow and another red start
[08:53] <nosebleedKT> NOO
[08:54] <nosebleedKT> that thing with everything is noise
[08:54] <nosebleedKT> bothers me
[08:56] <nosebleedKT> Upu
[08:56] <nosebleedKT> http://imagebin.org/184726
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[08:57] <Upu> yeah
[08:57] <Upu> possibly noise
[08:57] <Upu> its hard to say
[08:57] <nosebleedKT> lol
[08:57] <Upu> they were taken 1st october 2011 @15.00
[08:57] <nosebleedKT> so what?
[08:58] <Upu> got work out what they are :)
[08:58] <nosebleedKT> does this make them noise?
[08:58] <nosebleedKT> you can go to some pro
[08:58] <Upu> I did
[08:58] <Upu> "noise"
[08:58] <nosebleedKT> omg
[08:58] <Upu> http://www.veryamateur.co.uk/
[08:58] <Upu> SFW
[09:00] <eroomde> morning
[09:00] <Upu> morning Ed
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[09:04] <eroomde> Upu: still waiting on some ublox modulesbefore i get a chance to test out your board
[09:04] <Upu> no problems it works
[09:04] <Upu> I made 2 boards up
[09:04] <Upu> and they worked first time
[09:05] <Upu> which is a first time for me too
[09:05] <jcoxon> Upu do you have a list of the additional components requried?
[09:05] <Upu> decoupling cap
[09:05] <Upu> thats it
[09:05] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/IMG_0303.jpg
[09:05] <jcoxon> might be worth popping that on the wiki
[09:05] <Upu> yeah still working through it
[09:06] <jcoxon> the decoupling cap that its
[09:06] <Upu> yup
[09:08] <eroomde> Upu: congrats on first success!
[09:08] <Upu> cheers :)
[09:09] <eroomde> that only really happened to me once
[09:09] <eroomde> i remember, it was the badger 1 flight computer, fergus and I had spent a few hours soldering her up, taking turns every 30 mins or so to solder/get components etc. then we aplied power and pkugged in the jtag. blinked LED!
[09:10] <eroomde> we exchanged a weary and worried like, a bit like gandalf when it was decided they would take the mines of morrior
[09:10] <jcoxon> +1 to quote
[09:11] <eroomde> because we knew an entire year's worth of karma and good luck had been blown all at once on this board
[09:11] <jcoxon> eroomde, didn't a few things present themselves afterwards
[09:11] <eroomde> badger2 you're thinking of?
[09:11] <eroomde> that was an ed special
[09:11] <eroomde> badger 1 was fine
[09:11] <jcoxon> wasn't the accelerometer backwards
[09:11] <eroomde> oh no wait, the usb d+ and d- signals were the wrong way round
[09:11] <jcoxon> or was that badger2
[09:12] <eroomde> so i swapped them by crossing the current limiting resisotrs over each other
[09:12] <jcoxon> hehe
[09:15] <mattltm> Morning all :)
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[09:17] <Darkside> haha er
[09:17] <Darkside> eroomde:
[09:18] <eroomde> we never actually implemented a usb stack on badger1 in the end so it didn't really matter
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[09:54] <eroomde> jcoxon: what are you up tpo atm?
[09:54] <eroomde> on sensible shifts?
[09:55] <jcoxon> i've got 2 weeks left of the crazy rotation
[09:55] <jcoxon> last 2 weeks of surgery ever
[09:55] <jcoxon> then ive got 4 months of sensible rotation (no nights, occasional on call)
[09:56] <jcoxon> then i'm doing 4 months of A+E style so back to the crazy shifts
[09:57] <eroomde> oh well
[09:58] <jcoxon> glad for nice shifts
[09:58] <jcoxon> having a regular evening free will be nice
[09:59] <eroomde> yeah
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[10:49] <nosebleedKT> 2320 transmissions / 22hrs / voltage same
[10:50] <fsphil-laptop> drat, I lost :p
[10:50] <nosebleedKT> sent me the money through paypal :P
[10:51] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[10:51] <nosebleedKT> send*
[10:51] <fsphil-laptop> -¬10.00
[10:51] <nosebleedKT> wow 10d
[10:51] <nosebleedKT> 10e
[10:51] <fsphil-laptop> wonder if that works lol
[10:51] <nosebleedKT> :p
[10:52] <fsphil-laptop> so when is it flying?
[10:52] <fsphil-laptop> you seem to be nearly ready
[10:52] <nosebleedKT> yeah i feel that too
[10:52] <nosebleedKT> this summer i guess
[10:52] <nosebleedKT> i shouldnt fly it in the winter. bad things may happen
[10:56] <nosebleedKT> i think wrong?
[10:57] <fsphil-laptop> well depends on the weather at the time. snow would be annoying
[10:57] <fsphil-laptop> ice more so
[10:58] <fsphil-laptop> shorter day means not as much time to find it afterwards
[10:59] <fsphil-laptop> but you probably don't get as much of that there
[11:00] <fsphil-laptop> oooooh
[11:00] <fsphil-laptop> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=1e9088a22b2d676117f222d15e164962d70c3fad
[11:01] <nosebleedKT> lol
[11:01] <nosebleedKT> i like isle of man
[11:01] <nosebleedKT> :)
[11:03] <fsphil-laptop> I've flew over it a few times
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[11:20] <nosebleedKT> YAY
[11:20] <nosebleedKT> battery down!
[11:20] <nosebleedKT> 40.6480,22.9444,000156,057,000,+000,09,29,+23,+15,52,1007,1116,FF,2368,SLAROS
[11:20] <nosebleedKT> and then
[11:21] <nosebleedKT> 40.6480,22.9444,000156,054,000,+000,09,29,+23,+15,53,1007,1117,F7,2370,SLAROS
[11:21] <nosebleedKT> voltage dropped to 2900mv and camera succefully closed
[11:21] <nosebleedKT> 0xF7 means camera bit is cleared!
[11:21] <nosebleedKT> 23hrs
[11:21] <Darkside> http://aprs.fi/telemetry/a/VK5ZM-11
[11:21] <Darkside> woot
[11:21] <nosebleedKT> but still transmitting
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[11:27] <Darkside> nosebleedKT: check out what that payload does
[11:27] <Darkside> it actually conforms to the APRS standard :P
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[11:43] <nosebleedKT> voltage dropped to 2300mv
[11:43] <nosebleedKT> gps is off
[11:43] <nosebleedKT> just transmitting
[11:44] <nosebleedKT> http://aprs.fi/?c=status&call=SW2HYX-11&limit=5
[11:44] <nosebleedKT> now stopped transmiting
[11:45] <nosebleedKT> no it still does
[11:45] <nosebleedKT> but looks dead
[11:45] <nosebleedKT> :P
[11:45] <nosebleedKT> i think i need to get it at home. experiment finished :)
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[11:50] <nosebleedKT> 23hrs
[11:50] <nosebleedKT> i wonder why voltage dropped so quickly
[11:52] <nosebleedKT> 190kb aprs data :
[11:52] <nosebleedKT> :)
[11:52] <nosebleedKT> 400pics
[11:53] <Darkside> nosebleedKT: whats with the stuff in teh status string
[11:53] <nosebleedKT> ?
[11:53] <Darkside> are you just dumping what you'd send via rtty into the status message?
[11:53] <nosebleedKT> aprs
[11:53] <nosebleedKT> afsk
[11:53] <nosebleedKT> yes
[11:53] <nosebleedKT> i dump the aprs status messages in the log.txt
[11:53] <Darkside> theres stuff within the aprs protocol for proper telemetry information
[11:54] <Darkside> instead of just putting csv into the status message
[11:54] <nosebleedKT> csv?
[11:54] <Darkside> comma separated values
[11:54] <nosebleedKT> :P
[11:54] <Darkside> http://aprs.fi/telemetry/a/VK5ZM-11
[11:54] <Darkside> take a look at how this shows data
[11:55] <Darkside> thats part of the aprs spec
[11:55] <nosebleedKT> wow
[11:55] <nosebleedKT> didnt know that
[11:55] <Darkside> yeah
[11:56] <Darkside> its some nice stuff
[11:56] <Darkside> that code will get pushed into trackuino in a while
[11:58] <nosebleedKT> you help with trackduino ?
[11:58] <Darkside> no, but one of the project horus guys has been making some additions to the code
[11:59] <nosebleedKT> cool, i plan to send them my arduino aprs receiver shield
[11:59] <nosebleedKT> so people can make homemade arps receivers
[11:59] <nosebleedKT> i waiting the boards from china
[12:03] <Darkside> got a link for some info on it?
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[12:18] <nosebleedKT> mhh. everything is on facebook.
[12:18] <nosebleedKT> my facebook tactic is bad afterall
[12:20] <nosebleedKT> Darkside: http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/313684_312722422075142_259791880701530_1424820_1721099104_n.jpg
[12:20] <nosebleedKT> thats the pcb
[12:20] <nosebleedKT> Darkside: http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/383927_320545607959490_259791880701530_1453178_495677279_n.jpg
[12:20] <nosebleedKT> thats from the todays experiment
[12:20] <nosebleedKT> if you got fb account: join http://www.facebook.com/slaros.project
[12:22] <Darkside> nosebleedKT: so you're doing the demodulation on the avr i guess?
[12:28] <nosebleedKT> yes
[12:28] <nosebleedKT> afsk demod and ax25 decoding
[12:28] <nosebleedKT> but the original belongs to arduino-tnc project
[12:29] <Darkside> ok
[12:29] <nosebleedKT> i just made some changes
[12:30] <nosebleedKT> thats the results
[12:30] <nosebleedKT> http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/376718_309179162429468_259791880701530_1408343_1881567667_n.jpg
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[13:04] <Darkside> hey grant
[13:05] <Darkside> vk5gr:
[13:07] <vk5gr> hi mark
[13:08] <Darkside> up late editing?
[13:08] <Darkside> we should probably both be asleep....
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[13:08] <vk5gr> still rendering this damn balloon footage - it wasnt as good as it first looked on closer inspection - has taken 12hrs to get the colour correction to process - and I should finally be able to start the main edit in about 20 minutes
[13:08] <vk5gr> pulled some seriously tricksy grading - learned a couple of new techniques with track mattes to retain the yoyo colours while fix the background
[13:09] <vk5gr> the trouble is it gave the renderer a headache parallel processing the same track over 3 layers for each frame over the full 4hr flight video
[13:09] <Darkside> heh
[13:09] <vk5gr> really wish we had put an ND filter in front of the gopro
[13:10] <Darkside> hehe
[13:10] <Darkside> how long to render each frame? :P
[13:10] <vk5gr> after this one i think IU want to look for alternate cameras
[13:10] <Darkside> i guess its not getting that bad
[13:10] <Darkside> yeah but what else is there?
[13:10] <vk5gr> no idea on a per frame basis - it still wont let me back in to count them
[13:11] <vk5gr> i'm watching the audio/video interlacing build the final file now - 47Gb long it will be - up to 18Gb so far
[13:11] <fsphil-laptop> ND filter?
[13:12] <vk5gr> not sure yet - seen some helmet cams for mountain bikers that are a different brand. also thinking of contacting gopro to see if there is somethiung we can play with in their firmware to hot it up
[13:12] <vk5gr> neutral density filter -
[13:13] <vk5gr> it seems that the AGC cant cope with what it is seeing - I am wondering if it is reacting badly to something either up in the UV or IR spectrum - which would be really pronounced above the cliud layer
[13:14] <vk5gr> it ends up pushing the gamma curve of the luma channel of the camera all the way up to the white end - basically white crushes the image - making it virtually unrecoverable
[13:14] <Darkside> hmm
[13:15] <Darkside> the problem with adding a filter in front is the misting problem
[13:15] <Darkside> well, condensation
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[13:15] <vk5gr> well - it wonht always mist if the camera lens can be kept at the same temp as the filter - it is all about temp change
[13:16] <Darkside> if the filter is outside the camera it shoudl be fine
[13:16] <Florent_> Hello !
[13:16] <vk5gr> it's an area we need to look harder at if we are going to keep flying video I think
[13:16] <vk5gr> goodevening!
[13:17] <Florent_> Amazing calculator !
[13:17] <vk5gr> hmmm at this rate mark I wont have a finished file to start work on until around 12:30 :-(
[13:18] <vk5gr> 13hrs of post proc to get this far
[13:18] <vk5gr> plus the 4hrs I spent setting it up this morning.
[13:18] <Darkside> vk5gr: damn..
[13:19] <vk5gr> it actually behaves like the AGC is backwards. I have seen it turn the AGC down when it is not looking at cloud, and turn it up when it is I reckon.
[13:19] <Florent_> What kind of API is used to receive your data wind ?
[13:20] <Darkside> Florent_: not sure
[13:20] <Darkside> you'll need to speak to eroomde
[13:20] <Darkside> or Randomskk
[13:21] <Darkside> i think they wrote that predictor
[13:21] <Florent_> ok thanks, I'm french and i'm developing such a predictor
[13:24] <vk5gr> Darkside might try contacting GoPro and talk to them about the issues we are having and see if they have any suggestions
[13:24] <Randomskk> my ears are burning
[13:24] <vk5gr> also do you know if UpLift-1 flew out of Griffith today?
[13:24] <Randomskk> hi Florent_
[13:25] <Florent_> hi
[13:25] <Randomskk> we use the opendap protocol from the noaa nomads servers
[13:25] <Florent_> I know this api
[13:25] <Randomskk> this python code downloads all the wind data and turns it into a csv format the predictor uses: https://github.com/jonsowman/cusf-standalone-predictor/blob/master/predict.py
[13:25] <Florent_> but I never manage to run it
[13:26] <Darkside> vk5gr: it didn't
[13:26] <Florent_> You use the python api ?
[13:26] <Randomskk> we use the pydap library to talk to their opendap server
[13:26] <Darkside> vk5gr: when ic hecked this morning it was blowing 20 knot northerlies
[13:27] <Darkside> so i think they cancelled
[13:27] <Florent_> ok, do you know if the same api exists in PHP ?
[13:28] <vk5gr> darkside ouch - thats a bit windy
[13:28] <Darkside> yup
[13:29] <vk5gr> 2/3rds of the way through recombining the file - will it never end? :-)
[13:29] <Randomskk> Florent_: I don't know for sure
[13:29] <Randomskk> but I would suggest that doing it in PHP will be tricky - it takes a very long time, so a normal web request might well time out
[13:29] <Randomskk> I can't find any library for OpenDAP in PHP, so I think you may have to program that yourself
[13:29] <Randomskk> it is over HTTP
[13:32] <Florent_> Now my program is in php, but the user have to enter datas wind to execute the prediction
[13:32] <Florent_> it is paintful
[13:33] <Florent_> so i'm looking for a solution to automatically download these datas
[13:34] <Florent_> Thank you for your help !
[13:35] <Randomskk> no problem
[13:35] <Randomskk> so uhm, yea
[13:35] <Randomskk> it's not going to be easy in php
[13:47] <Florent_> it's going to be complicated because i don't know pyhton
[13:48] <Randomskk> there is also the GRIB option
[13:48] <Randomskk> which is another way to access the same data
[13:48] <Randomskk> by downloading GRIB files
[13:48] <Randomskk> which you could probably do a bit easier though it's less convenient
[13:49] <Florent_> interesting...
[13:49] <Florent_> what's that ?
[13:49] <Randomskk> but I can't tell you much about it, I've only used OpenDAP. still, it's definitely available if you search around for it, especially on the nomads site somewhere
[13:50] <Darkside> vk5gr: still going?
[13:50] <vk5gr> 10 gb to go
[13:50] <Darkside> heh
[13:51] <Darkside> will we really be able to get into the buy and sell at 8am?
[13:51] <vk5gr> at this stage I am thinking - damn I hope I did get the crade right before rendering
[13:51] <vk5gr> well matt, scott and I arent planning on it
[13:51] <Darkside> why getting there so early then?
[13:52] <vk5gr> i'm heading to matts around 8.45 and we will be there around 9.30am
[13:52] <Darkside> ahh ok
[13:52] <vk5gr> if you want to be a seller and rumage around the other sellers tables before the doors open, then you get there at 8am
[13:52] <Darkside> heh
[13:52] <vk5gr> i dont know what time alex was going to be swinging by however
[13:53] <Darkside> eeearly
[13:54] <Darkside> might reccomend we delay by an hour or so
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[14:03] <vk5gr> up to you and alex I guess
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[14:06] <Dan-K2VOL> about to fly the InReach
[14:11] <vk5gr> Darkside - to answer an earlier question - it is rendering at about 7 fps
[14:11] <Darkside> heh
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[14:15] <fsphil-laptop> Dan-K2VOL, are you not launching tomorrow or did I read that tweet wrong?
[14:15] <Dan-K2VOL> launching tomorrow
[14:19] <Darkside> ok zzzzz
[14:19] <Darkside> nn all
[14:20] <Dan-K2VOL> nite darkside
[14:20] <fsphil-laptop> night Darkside
[14:20] <fsphil-laptop> so what's launching today Dan-K2VOL?
[14:20] <Dan-K2VOL> Well today on the launchpad in cloudy Lexington, Kentucky, USA
[14:21] <Dan-K2VOL> we have the Hamster-3D system
[14:21] <fsphil-laptop> aah, someone else launching your sat modem
[14:21] <Dan-K2VOL> by the University of Kentucky Space Systems Laboratory and engineering students
[14:21] <Dan-K2VOL> bingo
[14:21] <fsphil-laptop> did you find out more about how to interface with it?
[14:22] <Dan-K2VOL> not yet, had to switch to launch prep :-)
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[14:22] <Dan-K2VOL> but have been emailing with Delorme reps, and they're sounding not-adversarial to the concept of releasing an open API for it
[14:23] <fsphil-laptop> ah brilliant
[14:23] <fsphil-laptop> does it use the same antenna as the last sat modem?
[14:24] <Dan-K2VOL> the ORBCOMM one?
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[14:25] <Dan-K2VOL> thankfully it uses Iridium network, which is 1.6GHz, unlike ORBCOMM which uses 137MHz - so now the antenna is 3cm long, instead of 1 meter long!
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[14:25] <fsphil-laptop> oh fantastic
[14:26] <fsphil-laptop> that alone makes it worth switching
[14:26] <Dan-K2VOL> oh yeah
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[15:08] <Dan-K2VOL> Hamster3D launchd just now
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[15:08] <fsphil-laptop> odd map they're using
[15:09] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah
[15:09] <TimZaman> hi
[15:09] <Dan-K2VOL> hey tim'
[15:09] <TimZaman> hi
[15:09] <fsphil-laptop> g'day TimZaman
[15:09] <Dan-K2VOL> http://aprs.fi/?call=KJ4ZvJ-11&mt=terrain&z=13&timerange=3600&_s=ss_call is supposed to be APRS on flight, hasn't picked up yet tho
[15:09] <TimZaman> what are your thoughts on a dual payload launch
[15:09] <TimZaman> with 434075 AND 434650 on either payload
[15:09] <TimZaman> with boat a quarterwave ant (regular)
[15:09] <TimZaman> spaced 2m from eachother vertically
[15:09] <Dan-K2VOL> http://aprs.fi/?call=a%2FKJ4ZVJ
[15:10] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, we did that with a single box on project cirrus
[15:10] <fsphil-laptop> one antenna on top, one on bottom
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[15:11] <TimZaman> no i mean
[15:11] <TimZaman> two payloads
[15:11] <TimZaman> two boxes
[15:11] <TimZaman> i cant make a bazooka i dont have proper wires to strip
[15:11] <TimZaman> plus i just want two boxes.
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[15:12] <TimZaman> fsphil what ever happened to your hacked version of dl-fldigi
[15:12] <fsphil-laptop> should be no harm at all
[15:12] <TimZaman> .exe
[15:12] <fsphil-laptop> it's still there TimZaman
[15:12] <fsphil-laptop> https://www.sanslogic.co.uk/files/dl-fldigi-3.21.13-fsphil-github-20110908b_setup.exe
[15:13] <fsphil-laptop> hopefully being replaced soon by a proper new dl-fldigi release
[15:13] <TimZaman> cant make connection
[15:14] <TimZaman> sanslogic seesms down?
[15:14] <fsphil-laptop> oh certificate
[15:14] <fsphil-laptop> take out the s
[15:14] <fsphil-laptop> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/files/dl-fldigi-3.21.13-fsphil-github-20110908b_setup.exe
[15:14] <TimZaman> omg
[15:15] <fsphil-laptop> actually it's not certificate that blocks https, it's cloudflare
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[15:22] <TimZaman> oh god now my windows dlfldigi doesnt understand what my microphone is
[15:23] <NigeyS> my linux version doesnt know what my external speakers are, so they'd make a good pair tim !
[15:23] <Dan-K2VOL> got an update on the inreach
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[15:24] <Dan-K2VOL> 22591
[15:24] <Dan-K2VOL> ft altitude
[15:25] <Dan-K2VOL> http://bit.ly/vZe8lK
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[15:51] <TimZaman> when is the next launch
[15:51] <TimZaman> im launching next thursday, maybe someone can configure the tracker for me?
[15:52] <Dan-K2VOL> well that blows. Delorme has perversely limited the altitude of the InReach to preceisely the altitude of the summit of Mt. Everest.
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[16:07] <Dan-K2VOL> funny and alarming, all other trackers have now stopped updating from the UKy flight, leaving the untested Delorme InReach the sole tracker operating.
[16:09] <Dan-K2VOL> griffonbot down?]
[16:10] <Dan-K2VOL> really bad article on HABbing http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1726/1
[16:10] <Dan-K2VOL> RJHarrison gets ripped in it
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[16:22] <fsphil-laptop> Dan-K2VOL, how many trackers?
[16:22] <Dan-K2VOL> 3
[16:23] <Dan-K2VOL> now 0 are working
[16:23] <fsphil-laptop> eek
[16:23] <Dan-K2VOL> ours wasn't ever meant to be a primary
[16:23] <Dan-K2VOL> but it was the only one for the last 45 minutes
[16:23] <fsphil-laptop> I not sure rob ever mentioned space
[16:23] <Dan-K2VOL> just stopped,we didn't insulate that well, only anticipating needing to run up past 60kft
[16:24] <Dan-K2VOL> that author uses a pretty broad brush
[16:24] <Dan-K2VOL> I just sort of discussed it with him via twitter using the white star account :-P @lvl1whitestar
[16:24] <fsphil-laptop> good
[16:25] <fsphil-laptop> his major itch seems not to be the people launching, but the people reporting
[16:25] <Dan-K2VOL> yes, but he really seems to dismiss the amateur launches as pretty picture flights
[16:25] <SpeedEvil> In a way, I agree with him.
[16:25] <Dan-K2VOL> however I think the balloonists need to drop the near-space nonsense
[16:25] <SpeedEvil> On the general principle that most reporting is crap.
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[16:26] <fsphil-laptop> totally Dan-K2VOL
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[16:26] <fsphil-laptop> rockets get near space
[16:26] <SpeedEvil> Unless doing an N-prize attempt.
[16:26] <SpeedEvil> Balloons get as near space as most amateur rocketry.
[16:26] <SpeedEvil> Or nearer.
[16:26] <fsphil-laptop> "The problem is not with the people actually flying the balloons" -- ahh there we go, wish he'd said this earlier :)
[16:27] <Dan-K2VOL> 36km is nowhere near 100km.
[16:27] <fsphil-laptop> I don't consider it near space until it's at least 60km :)
[16:27] <fsphil-laptop> even that's stretching it
[16:27] <Dan-K2VOL> though I think a lot of the people flying balloons to provoke the media's space words by saying 'near-space'
[16:28] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[16:28] <Dan-K2VOL> hopefully the inreach will warm up on descent
[16:28] <Dan-K2VOL> and not have shut completely down
[16:28] <fsphil-laptop> I sent a few pictures into local BBC, just mentioned it was taken 'very high up'
[16:28] <fsphil-laptop> no interest at all :)
[16:29] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah media is only about sensation, not about actual acheivement
[16:29] <NigeyS> horses for courses
[16:29] <Dan-K2VOL> I don't watch or listen to anything really except science news podcasts now
[16:29] <Dan-K2VOL> and selectively at that
[16:30] <Dan-K2VOL> hehe hi nigeys
[16:30] <NigeyS> hey Dan
[16:30] <NigeyS> in the era where we are meant to be encouraging more people to get involved in science, i find articles like that extremely unhelpful.
[16:31] <Dan-K2VOL> that's a nice point Nigey
[16:32] <fsphil-laptop> he does have a point though
[16:32] <NigeyS> if people think their "achievement" is going to be belittled.. they wont bother, and will undo the efforts that have gone into trying to get kids back into science
[16:32] <fsphil-laptop> media needs to get its act together
[16:32] <NigeyS> it never will phil
[16:32] <NigeyS> their a law unto themselves
[16:32] <fsphil-laptop> sadly
[16:32] <NigeyS> try to correct them, and they claim loss of democratic free speech
[16:33] <fsphil-laptop> I written in corrections to the bbc website a few times
[16:33] <fsphil-laptop> they usually fix things
[16:34] <NigeyS> i find the bbc hit and miss, but the paper press.. just dont bother...
[16:34] <fsphil-laptop> I don't lol
[16:34] <fsphil-laptop> I've never bought a paper in my life
[16:35] <NigeyS> lol
[16:35] <fsphil-laptop> I've seen the front pages, that's enough
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[16:38] <SpeedEvil> 'Over twice the height of the highest airliner' ... 'higher than everest'...
[16:38] <fsphil-laptop> Dan-K2VOL, you still using a telescope tomorrow?
[16:39] <Dan-K2VOL> going to try
[16:39] <fsphil-laptop> sweet
[16:40] <NigeyS> what telescope dan ?
[16:41] <fsphil-laptop> if there's ever a launch in NI that isn't mine, I'm going to try and image it from the ground
[16:41] <fsphil-laptop> wel,
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[16:41] <fsphil-laptop> assuming it's not cloudy
[16:41] <Dan-K2VOL> a 10" meade reflector
[16:41] <fsphil-laptop> which is asking a lot tbh :)
[16:42] <Dan-K2VOL> not too familiar with telescopes
[16:42] <fsphil-laptop> that's a big scope
[16:42] <Dan-K2VOL> it is, I'm hoping we get imagery of burst
[16:42] <fsphil-laptop> is it far from the launch site?
[16:42] <NigeyS> eek
[16:43] <NigeyS> you're giving that beast a bit of "cool down" time before hand right ?
[16:43] <NigeyS> like.. a good 3 hours at least
[16:43] <fsphil-laptop> this will be during the day, will the cool down be necessary?
[16:43] <NigeyS> yup, you'll still get thermals in the tube
[16:44] <NigeyS> making any imagery .. well.. less than perfect
[16:44] <fsphil-laptop> yea, I've seen that happen
[16:44] <fsphil-laptop> makes a huge difference
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[16:45] <NigeyS> yup, can be a pain if you down own an obs and have a large mirrored scope, but its well worth it
[16:45] <SpeedEvil> Fan.
[16:45] <Dan-K2VOL> good points guys
[16:45] <fsphil-laptop> I'm normally using a tiny refractor where it doesn't matter just as much
[16:45] <NigeyS> cassegrains are the worst though
[16:45] <NigeyS> cause of the closed optics
[16:45] <Dan-K2VOL> ok InReach came alive again on descent
[16:45] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:45] <fsphil-laptop> gps altitude limit likely
[16:45] <Dan-K2VOL> lookslike it might have a hard disable above 60kft
[16:46] <Dan-K2VOL> or it got cold
[16:46] <fsphil-laptop> that's a good sign - -we can replace that
[16:46] <NigeyS> SpeedEvil, fans are fine, but ideally you want it off when looking at really faint DSO's
[16:46] <SpeedEvil> NigeyS: I mean to sort-out the cooldown.
[16:46] <Dan-K2VOL> thoug it's already got an altitude limit of 29,000 ft
[16:46] <Dan-K2VOL> spot tracker alive again too
[16:46] <SpeedEvil> :) :)
[16:46] <fsphil-laptop> Dan-K2VOL, it's probably a limitation of whatever binary protocol they use
[16:47] <NigeyS> SpeedEvil, aye, people do use them constantly even during sessions, which is ok to, just not for DSO's that are stupidly faint, causes to much vibration
[16:47] <Dan-K2VOL> fsphil-laptop possibly, but the altitude it caps at is 29028 - google that number
[16:48] <Dan-K2VOL> height of Mt Everest
[16:49] <fsphil-laptop> yep, but they probably picked that as the upper limit and scaled the altitude field appropriately
[16:49] <fsphil-laptop> so say if it was 16-bit they might have 0xFFFF == 29028
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[16:51] <fsphil-laptop> they can get better accuracy at the lower altitudes if they reduce the maximum altitude a value can store
[16:51] <fsphil-laptop> or represent
[16:51] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYqr2h_xQRk&feature=feedrec_grec_index flying barrel
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> If it was me, I'd ponder a two-part scale.
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[16:52] <SpeedEvil> say 1m resolution up to 1024m, 4m from 1024 to 2048, ...
[16:53] <fsphil-laptop> I'm using a 24-bit field, that's enough for +/- 87km measured in cm :)
[16:53] <fsphil-laptop> sorry. 83.8km
[16:53] <fsphil-laptop> not sure -83.8km will ever be used though!
[16:54] <Dan-K2VOL> fsphil laptop I bet you're right
[16:54] <NigeyS> not unless you fancy a trip to the earths mantle?
[16:54] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[16:54] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grkAw07w66E&NR=1
[16:54] <SpeedEvil> Unusual cargo planes.
[16:54] <SpeedEvil> Very interesting.
[16:54] <fsphil-laptop> I may remove a bit
[16:54] <fsphil-laptop> just forget negative altitude?
[16:54] <fsphil-laptop> not much of a saving
[16:54] <Dan-K2VOL> you going to death valley any time soon?
[16:55] <fsphil-laptop> you never know when a payload might land in the dead sea :)
[16:55] <Dan-K2VOL> email from delorme already!!
[16:55] <Dan-K2VOL> "Sorry about the elevation limit on the inReach. We didnt anticipate high-altitude balloon experiments like the one you ran today. We had to work hard to conserve bytes in our message length and part of that process was specifying anticipated ranges and levels of granularity for things like speed, heading, and elevation. I recall the conversation with our development group and I specified the height of Everest for climbers usi
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[16:55] <fsphil-laptop> woo, I was right
[16:56] <Dan-K2VOL> you got it phil
[16:57] <fsphil-laptop> every bit counts when they're doing satellite work
[16:57] <Dan-K2VOL> And the end of the email will be my warm-fuzzy moment for the day: "There are lots of people in the building who are interested in what youre doing with the inReach so hopefully well be able to help out with things like this elevation problem."
[16:57] <fsphil-laptop> yes!
[16:58] <fsphil-laptop> a company not totally run by upper management
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[17:53] <nosebleedKT> http://memegenerator.net/instance/11537840
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[17:58] <TimZaman> Upu Randomskk can someone configure my flight XML?
[17:58] <TimZaman> http://pastebin.com/UZWihefg
[17:59] <TimZaman> There are two XML since it's a dual payloadlaunch
[17:59] <Upu> have you done them via the payload document generator ?
[17:59] <TimZaman> Confirmed
[17:59] <Upu> should be up there then as far as I'm aware
[17:59] <TimZaman> Up where?
[18:00] <Upu> I might be wrong but I don't think you need to "upload" the XML any more
[18:00] <TimZaman> i used http://habhub.org/genpayload/
[18:00] <TimZaman> no button?
[18:00] <Upu> will check
[18:03] <TimZaman> so?
[18:03] <Randomskk> I'll do it in a sec
[18:03] <Randomskk> multiple payloads is...
[18:03] <Randomskk> there are two ways
[18:03] <Randomskk> one is easier tbh I'll just do that for now
[18:04] <Randomskk> both done
[18:04] <TimZaman> erhhmm?
[18:04] <Randomskk> will take a few minutes to clear cache
[18:04] <TimZaman> yeah two payloads is fine right
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[18:05] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:05] <TimZaman> yeah i need it for testing tomorrow
[18:05] <Randomskk> oh it'l just be a few mins
[18:05] <TimZaman> Randomskk: in my first flight i had two payloads as well, well, two GPS'es with two different callsings, that worked perfectly. but this is going to be a redundant payload
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[18:06] <TimZaman> thanks Randomskk
[18:06] <TimZaman> im out bb
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[19:37] <SamSilver> I am wondering if a good chicken korma would provide enough lift for a 856gram payload?
[19:38] <SamSilver> or the prawn vindaloo the other half had could fill a 1000g totex?
[19:39] <SamSilver> curry is king!
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[19:40] <daveake> Every flight needs good Korma
[19:40] <Lunar_Lander> could somebody head to youtube and tell me if it got a new look for you too?
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[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> seems like they switched the new "Cosmic Panda" theme online
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> the background is gray for instance
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> and the box around "Tube" is a darker red
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[19:47] Nick change: SamSilver -> SamSilver_
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[20:21] <nosebleedKT> gnite all
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[20:21] <SpeedEvil> Night.
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[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop, btw
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> I wrote Radiometrix late in the night yesterday
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> let's see if they'll write back next wee
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> *week
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[21:59] <jcoxon> eeek that space review article is quite strong
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> how comes?
[22:00] <jcoxon> its about HABing
[22:00] <jcoxon> http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1726/1
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> if I get him right, the way media talks about it bothers him
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> correct?
[22:06] <jcoxon> yeah
[22:06] <jcoxon> i think it also its a bit of a jab at HABing
[22:06] <jcoxon> being pretend space
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> ja
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> *yea
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> the near space term
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[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> wb Dan-K2VOL fsphil-laptop
[22:51] <Dan-K2VOL> Hello Lunar_Lander
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[22:52] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, did you want me to put your flight on the tracker tomorrow?
[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> wb fsphil-laptop
[22:52] <Dan-K2VOL> Yes please jcoxon!
[22:52] Action: fsphil-laptop is having technical fun :)
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> atlas IV?
[22:53] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, no no
[22:53] <jcoxon> SPITBALL
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[22:53] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, whats the call?
[22:54] <Dan-K2VOL> WB8ELK-11 on APRS
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> cool
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[23:18] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, i can't get that code from natrium42 working
[23:18] <jcoxon> so i'll write my own
[23:18] <jcoxon> won't take too long
[23:18] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop, can you read me?
[23:20] <fsphil-laptop> Santa told you to do what with the baseball bat?
[23:20] <Lunar_Lander> XD
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[23:25] <Dan-K2VOL> jcoxon that would be cool but don't get too stressed, we won't have APRS on the real transatlantic flights
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[23:42] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, done
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