highaltitude.log.20111116

[00:02] <fsphil-laptop> yea they're pretty good for buying directly. they've an online shop but only certain things are on it
[00:03] <fsphil-laptop> have to email for most bits
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[00:36] <somnium_> hi all
[00:37] <Zuph> hi somnium_
[00:38] <somnium_> Im in the process of making my antenna, like http://ava.upuaut.net/files/antenna.jpg what thickness of wire should be used?
[00:38] <somnium_> As i has some 2mm diameter copper wire laying about, but am unsure if this will be to thick for use on a balloon
[00:40] <Darkside> it'll work fine
[00:40] <Darkside> the thinner the wire, the more precisely you need to cut it to the correct length
[00:41] <Darkside> also i'd reccoment building the antenna into the box, not have it dangling below
[00:41] Nick change: sofii-chan -> spacekitteh
[00:41] <Darkside> see http://projecthorus.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/14.jpg
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[00:42] <somnium_> so, will i not be breaking any laws by hanging a thick piece of wire from the bottom on the box??
[00:42] <somnium_> as it feels quite stiff and could do som damage]
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[07:51] <UpuWork> lx
[07:58] <number10> ello
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[08:06] <UpuWork> morning
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[09:56] <earthshine> Morning
[09:58] <number10> morning
[09:58] <gonzo_> morning world
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[10:06] <fsphil> tis a dull morning here
[10:07] <number10> foggy here
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[10:07] <fsphil> oooh. we've not had a good fog here in a while
[10:08] <number10> nothing good about it in my opinion ;)
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[10:35] <gonzo_> it's time for tea here!
[10:49] <Darkside> where are you gonzo_
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[11:02] <gonzo_> Dorset (UK)
[11:03] <GW8RAK> Sunny Dorset
[11:03] <gonzo_> well everyone seemed to be mentioning the conditions where they were, and time for tea is a significant condition!
[11:03] <gonzo_> Hmmm, sunny? Well I'd take a 2nd opinion on that at the mo!
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[11:04] <gonzo_> suppose it's less wet than GW land
[11:04] <GW8RAK> And a lot warmer
[11:05] <gonzo_> I'm a shropshire lad really, so just over the border
[11:07] <GW8RAK> Well I'm from 'ampshire, but in-laws in Dorset, so go down there a bit
[11:11] <Darkside> gonzo_: i was quite confused there, as when i see 'tea', i assume dinner
[11:11] <Darkside> so i thought you might be in western australia
[11:11] <Darkside> (i'm in south aystralia)
[11:11] <Darkside> australia*
[11:15] <gonzo_> Yep it is a common useage here too
[11:16] <gonzo_> just been playing with the path predictor site. Someone has put a lot of work into that. I'm impressed
[11:16] <Darkside> yep
[11:17] <gonzo_> (you can tell I'm pretty new to this)
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[11:29] <GW8RAK> After the recent new member on here and some of the questions asked, this is very topical http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/internet-misogynists-given-chance-to-meet-a-woman-201111164545/
[11:37] <UpuWork> quick Q
[11:38] <UpuWork> has anyone got any data from the met office on how many balloons they launch daily
[11:38] <UpuWork> and how many claims for damage they get as a result ?
[11:39] <Darkside> someone requested that a while back
[11:39] <Darkside> it wasnt many
[11:39] <UpuWork> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7841724/Met-Office-apologises-after-weather-balloon-crashes-into-conservatory.html
[11:39] <GW8RAK> I think Ed looked into this. Something like 3 claims in the last X years, average payout £30
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[11:40] <SpeedEvil> It may have been me.
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[11:40] <UpuWork> eroomde ?
[11:40] <SpeedEvil> I think it was more like 300 quid.
[11:40] <SpeedEvil> The average payout per launch was more like 30p IIRC
[11:42] <SpeedEvil> What a completely pointless story.
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[12:23] <number10> thats a 0.07% chance of a met office radiosonde damaging something
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[12:27] <fsphil> hehe, love ebay. "uk seller", address is -
[12:33] <gonzo_> suppose damage% is less than that. As soem claims may be for paying a man with ladders from removing one from gutters etc.
[12:37] <SpeedEvil> I suspect there is a 'a radiosonde landed near my broken greenhouse' factor.
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> On a related matter.
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> Is anyone who is insured launching on a trajectory that might hit glenrothes?
[12:41] <gonzo_> what's there (apart from the distilery?)
[12:42] <fsphil> SpeedEvil, not at the moment :)
[12:44] <SpeedEvil> I don't think the distillery is actually related.
[12:44] <SpeedEvil> My broken greenhouse.
[12:46] <gonzo_> hehe
[12:46] <gonzo_> would make the recovery car a popular position!
[12:46] <BrainDamage> just have a balloon broast a wrong position
[12:46] <BrainDamage> broadcast*
[12:47] <gonzo_> you had a sonde strike?
[12:49] <gonzo_> a friend had a sonde land in his garden a few months ago. He had it in bits and reverse engineered within a week.
[12:51] <fsphil> I'm not sure it's likely for one to land near here.. they're all launched east of here I think
[12:51] <Darkside> we occasionally chase them
[12:51] <Darkside> we've flown the digital sondes as payloads before
[12:51] <Darkside> i've been able to re-tune them up to 420MHz
[12:56] <gonzo_> there is a site in cornwall that lose them off, and this guy does now track them. No more havecome close enough to chase since
[12:58] <Laurenceb> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/pGgHei77.html
[12:58] <Laurenceb> thats some pro time code
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[13:13] <Lunar_Lander> jello
[13:13] <Lunar_Lander> *hello
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[13:23] <SamSilver> Ahhh .... brainfart ..... what is rocketboys web site called again ? i am at work and it is on home pc thanx
[13:23] <NigelMoby> randomsolutions.co.UK. ?
[13:24] <Lunar_Lander> Random Engineering IIRC
[13:24] <Lunar_Lander> NigelMoby is right
[13:24] <SamSilver> thanx NigelMoby
[13:24] <NigelMoby> :) Bk later ...
[13:24] <SamSilver> lol Lunar_Lander thats what I searched under and did not find it
[13:24] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[13:43] <fsphil> predictions for this weekend are still a bit naff. skipping this one
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[15:17] <Laurenceb> http://www.networkxxiii.de/fun/DNS-How2/01.html
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[15:26] Action: SpeedEvil ponders his free 100mW radio.
[15:26] <SpeedEvil> Probably not work sanely.
[15:26] <SpeedEvil> (energy monitor)
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[16:46] <Lunar_Lander> hello again
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[17:04] <joph> hi Lunar_Lander
[17:04] <joph> Lunar_Lander, do you want also a preamp for 433MHz?
[17:04] <Lunar_Lander> preamp?
[17:04] <joph> http://g0mrf.com/432LNA.htm
[17:04] <joph> for your receiver
[17:07] <Lunar_Lander> ah so that the signal has more strength?
[17:07] <joph> to order 2 pcb is cheaper then ordering one ;)
[17:07] <joph> yeah
[17:07] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[17:07] <Lunar_Lander> how comes that I get the honour to be asked :)?
[17:07] <joph> you're also in germany ;)
[17:08] <joph> saves shipping
[17:08] <Lunar_Lander> true xD
[17:08] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[17:09] <joph> may the kit is cheaper cause there's a rare fet
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[17:10] <Lunar_Lander> Yea
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[17:41] <Lunar_Lander> xD Massimo Banzi just came on at the arduino forums
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[17:52] <Lunar_Lander> hi RocketBoy
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[18:40] <fsphil-laptop> wonder if there's any relation to this and my massively delayed notam: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15759537
[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil-laptop
[18:43] <fsphil-laptop> g'day LL
[18:47] <Upu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9vOor1xmVDs
[18:50] <fsphil-laptop> oh that is well done
[18:51] <fsphil-laptop> the cops do look a bit like stormtroopers though
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[19:19] <jcoxon> evening all
[19:20] <jonsowman> hi jcoxon
[19:21] <RocketBoy> yo jcoxon
[19:21] <kristianpaul> hi
[19:22] <RocketBoy> jcoxon; still thinking of flying this weekend?
[19:22] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, no
[19:22] <jcoxon> not this weekend
[19:22] <jcoxon> dont have a payload ready
[19:23] <RocketBoy> ah ok - I won't bug david m then
[19:23] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, regarding Preston?
[19:23] <RocketBoy> yep
[19:23] <jcoxon> nah its okay
[19:23] <jcoxon> i'll launch relatively soon
[19:24] <jcoxon> but not immediately
[19:24] <jcoxon> also you are out of 1.6s
[19:24] <RocketBoy> I'll drop a reminder but no pressure for this w/e
[19:24] <jcoxon> it will be super helpful to be able to fill in the barn
[19:24] <RocketBoy> yeah i think so - you had the last one I think
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[19:25] <RocketBoy> oh yeah - close to essentual if windy
[19:31] <x-f> Earth's belly button - http://i.imgur.com/XTmuU.jpg
[19:32] <jcoxon> will prestons application end up like robs attempts up north?
[19:32] <jcoxon> :-)
[19:34] <Laurenceb_> is that th eLCH?
[19:34] <RocketBoy> I think there is a fair possibility - possibly all new applications
[19:35] <WillDuckworth> hey Rocketboy - are you likely to get some more of those reels of cord in soon?
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[19:36] <RocketBoy> yeah - my supplier ran short - but they should be in at the end of the week
[19:36] <WillDuckworth> excellent - i'll hang fire
[19:37] <gonzo_> can anyone tell me, what;s the favoured method of making a cutdown?
[19:37] <gonzo_> seen mention of explosive, but doubt it's what I am thinking of
[19:38] <RocketBoy> I think LaurenceBs resistor is hard to beat for simplicity/safety
[19:38] <SpeedEvil> I prefer ceramic resistors.
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> They are rated to 350C operating temperature
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> arrange a filliment so it is pressed against the resistor
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> apply rated power, and about 1 min later, the resistor is at 200C, and the filliment just melted
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> a nylon filliment
[19:39] <gonzo_> seen similar used for antenna deploy on the small satellites
[19:40] <RocketBoy> yeah - normally takes about 3 secs when I do it
[19:40] <RocketBoy> 3.3 ohm and 5Vs
[19:40] <gonzo_> thought of a small slow burning gunpowder pod
[19:40] <SpeedEvil> RocketBoy: yeah - that's overloading though isn't it?
[19:40] <gonzo_> but getting the temp up to ignite that is going to take power
[19:41] <Laurenceb_> i use 10 ohm 0.125watt
[19:41] <RocketBoy> yep - but sine the resistors are about 0.1p not too expensive to replace
[19:41] <Laurenceb_> at 5v
[19:41] <gonzo_> ok when you have a few AH of gellcell avail
[19:41] <Laurenceb_> takes 2 to 3 seconds
[19:41] <SpeedEvil> RocketBoy: yeah - the issue for me is I'd much rather use something in-spec, than out of spec.
[19:41] <Laurenceb_> i usually use insulation from solid core wire
[19:42] <Laurenceb_> and some brass tube to mount everything i
[19:42] <Laurenceb_> *in
[19:42] <SpeedEvil> It's never going to fail open circuit early, and not melt.
[19:42] <RocketBoy> SpeedEvil: agreed - but never had a problem
[19:43] <Laurenceb_> i tried 1206 smd
[19:43] <SpeedEvil> Testing works too of course.
[19:43] <Laurenceb_> but its hard to make it work
[19:43] <gonzo_> I'll need to have a play then
[19:43] <SpeedEvil> I've just had bad experience with stuff working out of specs, then changing.
[19:43] <Laurenceb_> tends to catch fire and destroy itself or desolder too fast
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[19:44] <gonzo_> though it complicates the tele, as have to have an rx
[19:45] <RocketBoy> I use the 0.4w rated 3.2mm long ones
[19:45] <RocketBoy> wire ended
[19:46] <Laurenceb_> http://ukhas.org.uk/_media/projects:dscn1015.jpg?w=350
[19:47] <RocketBoy> the only worry i have with them is when the line is not under tension
[19:47] <RocketBoy> - i tend to use the cutdown to cut off the balloon remnants
[19:47] <RocketBoy> after burst
[19:49] <gonzo_> ah, I misunderstood the reason for having. I assumed they were to drop the payload after landing. In case in trees etc
[19:50] <RocketBoy> can be too
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[19:50] <gonzo_> ok ta
[19:50] <Dan-K2VOL> hi all, do we have an APRS-IS data entry method for spacenear-us?
[19:50] <Dan-K2VOL> or Findmespot?
[19:50] <RocketBoy> I have also cut stuff away from the main payload
[19:51] <RocketBoy> (like balast)
[19:51] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, yes and yes
[19:51] <gonzo_> to get the current to drive a cutdown, assume there must be NiCd batts or similar?
[19:51] <jcoxon> well yes to APRS, not so sure about findmespot as i wrote the code before habitat
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[19:52] <Dan-K2VOL> cool, do you think we could bring our burst test flight on saturday into Spacenear.us? WB8ELK-11
[19:52] <jcoxon> yeah
[19:53] <RocketBoy> gonzo_ I use the AA lithium batteries (energiser ultimate)
[19:53] <jcoxon> let me go hunting for the settings
[19:53] <Dan-K2VOL> gonzo_ you can see a video of our nichrome wire cutdown on my youtube account, search for user steamfire and then cutdown
[19:53] <Dan-K2VOL> awesome, thanks james
[19:54] <gonzo_> ta Dan, will do
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> back
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> hi RocketBoy Dan-K2VOL
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[19:54] <RocketBoy> :-)
[19:54] <Dan-K2VOL> hi Lunar_Lander
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> how are you all?
[19:55] <Dan-K2VOL> bueno
[19:55] <Dan-K2VOL> prepping furiously for the zp burst test flight on saturday
[19:57] <Dan-K2VOL> Got the Delorme InReach being delivered today! It'll fly if I can get it activated in time
[19:57] <jcoxon> :-)
[19:58] <Dan-K2VOL> James it may be a good chance to see the data output format of the delorme tracking site, I have no idea what it'll be like
[19:58] <jcoxon> indeed
[19:58] <Dan-K2VOL> but it should have altitude heading speed lat and lon!
[19:58] <jcoxon> might be worth starting a wiki page
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:59] <RocketBoy> Dan-K2VOL: do those cutdowns need the line to be in tension?
[19:59] <Dan-K2VOL> sure, actually that would be good, we're going to be documenting it, but don't want to on our site, to keep good relations with ORBCOMM in case delorme doesn't work
[19:59] <Dan-K2VOL> Rocketboy, yes
[20:00] <Dan-K2VOL> but that's only because the metal plates the rope runs through has holes too small for big blobs of plasic
[20:00] <Dan-K2VOL> plastic
[20:00] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, use ukhas
[20:00] <Dan-K2VOL> will do jcoxon
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[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL, I was quite shocked today to find that virustotal had one scanner to find some arduino driver files as viruses
[20:20] <Dan-K2VOL> ha funny
[20:20] <Dan-K2VOL> have to submit a correction
[20:25] <Lunar_Lander> you?
[20:25] <Lunar_Lander> or how do you mean?
[20:28] <Dan-K2VOL> you should
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> I wrote them an email
[20:31] <Dan-K2VOL> good work
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[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> but I think that a result of 1/42 isn't really bad
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> I'll see what they'll say
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[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> a friend says that "Trojan.Malware.Win32.xPack.m" seems to be heuristics
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[20:38] <danielsaul> Hi ZenithBot
[20:38] <ZenithBot> hi triplie
[20:38] <danielsaul> :S
[20:43] <Dan-K2VOL> lil
[20:43] <Dan-K2VOL> lol
[20:43] <danielsaul> ZenithBot: What;s up?
[20:43] <ZenithBot> the spider blew up?
[20:43] <Dutch-Mill> Hi @highaltitude ... I am thinking of building a parasitic lindenblad antenna for Habbing : http://www.stalad.it/iz4bqv/antspec/2006ParaLindy.pdf
[20:45] <Dutch-Mill> has anyone experience with this type of antenna ?
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL, yeah
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> ByteHero seems to be a purely heuristic scanner
[20:49] Action: SpeedEvil ponders redesigning his home heating to use an enthalpy wheel.
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> Just because it sounds so cool.
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:53] <nosebleedKT_> bye all happy people
[20:53] <nosebleedKT_> unhappy too
[20:53] <nosebleedKT_> :P
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[20:54] <danielsaul> ZenithBot: Is priyesh stupid?
[20:54] <ZenithBot> danielsaul fine thanks
[20:54] <danielsaul> Grrr
[20:55] <danielsaul> priyesh: he says different thing in here to in #apexhab :S
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[21:30] <rukuartic> Hey guys :D
[21:31] <fsphil-laptop> hullo rukuartic
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[21:31] <rukuartic> So I'm going through the data from my flight over here in the states
[21:32] <rukuartic> We flew this Sunday. Beautiful weather!
[21:32] <fsphil-laptop> all go well?
[21:33] <rukuartic> It did! A few glitches, and some suffering from not being *fully* prepared
[21:35] <fsphil-laptop> I'm never prepared :)
[21:35] <rukuartic> But otherwise things went well.
[21:35] <fsphil-laptop> always try, but always forget something
[21:35] <rukuartic> The group we were flying with isn't setup to use the spacenear.us tracker...
[21:36] <rukuartic> So I ended up using a jerry rigged script to plot my car and the balloon on Google Earth.
[21:37] <fsphil-laptop> neat! I'm working on a simple map for the car too
[21:37] <fsphil-laptop> I find spacenear.us a bit slow on the mobile
[21:39] <rukuartic> Who runs that by the way?
[21:39] <fsphil-laptop> natrium42 I believe
[21:40] <fsphil-laptop> though the data is handled by habitat, another system designed by a couple of people here
[21:40] <rukuartic> Do they have anything on parsing Mic-E format?
[21:41] <rukuartic> I was trying to grapple with the APRS manual, but its so broken ;~;
[21:41] <fsphil-laptop> hah, I was trying to read that at the weekend
[21:41] <Randomskk> ugh that looks kinda painful
[21:41] <fsphil-laptop> aprs is, unusual
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:41] <hibby> ahaha
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> a back surgery is painful
[21:41] <hibby> mic E is even worse afaik
[21:41] <Randomskk> in theory habitat, the backend system, could easily have a parser module written for Mic-E
[21:42] <Randomskk> you just have to write a couple of python functions that turn the received bitstream into a hash of useful data
[21:42] <rukuartic> Yeah, I was actually thinking of trying to write up a little script for that...
[21:42] <fsphil-laptop> oh, Mic-E is a binary format?
[21:42] <rukuartic> And then I was like, but... I don't want to duplicate the work people have already done.
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[21:42] <rukuartic> Its... pseudo binary.
[21:43] <fsphil-laptop> ah, Bob Bruninga again
[21:44] <rukuartic> http://www.aprs.org/doc/APRS101.PDF scroll down to paaaage...
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[21:45] <Dan-K2VOL> Hibby, fsphil-laptop, jcoxon, jonsowman, Lunar_Lander, NigeyS, eroomde and anyone else familiar with White Star or trans-atlantic balloons, we're going to try out an audience video chat system where people watching our video stream can get on webcam and have a chat on screen with us. We'd like to invite anyone who either has questions or has answers on ZP long duration ballooning to go ahead and join in on Saturday
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:46] <hibby> keen
[21:46] <Dan-K2VOL> Launch target time is 1600UTC
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> with Skype?
[21:46] <Dan-K2VOL> Nov 19
[21:46] <hibby> nah
[21:46] <Dan-K2VOL> with Vokel.com
[21:46] <hibby> google hangouts
[21:46] <hibby> vokel works too
[21:46] <fsphil-laptop> sounds like fun
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> is Vokel dangerous?
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> malware etc.?
[21:46] <Dan-K2VOL> :-) haha no
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> good
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:47] <fsphil-laptop> windows only?
[21:47] <Dan-K2VOL> nothing to install, just a flash web app
[21:47] <rukuartic> Can we come up with... an alternative to APRS or something? :<
[21:47] <fsphil-laptop> ooh flash
[21:47] <fsphil-laptop> that should work
[21:47] <hibby> rukuartic: if only
[21:47] <hibby> the protocol is a mess
[21:47] <Dan-K2VOL> will be streaming through Vokel, and rebroadcasting that through the normal UStream
[21:47] <hibby> written by people with no understanding of networking
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> what langugage is that Vokal thing in ?!
[21:47] <fsphil-laptop> APRS should be replaced with just a standard packet ntework
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> *Vokel
[21:47] <hibby> Lunar_Lander: vokle
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> is that czech or slovenian or so?
[21:48] <hibby> ;)
[21:48] <Dan-K2VOL> Lunar_Lander it's vokel.com it's in english, I haven't used it much yet to see if there's translations
[21:48] <Dan-K2VOL> ha
[21:48] <hibby> vokle.com
[21:48] <hibby> should be the link
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:48] <Dan-K2VOL> thanks hibby!
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> VOKLE "Host your own show"
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> that must be it
[21:48] <rukuartic> hibby, fsphil-laptop: how would you go about starting something like this?
[21:48] <Dan-K2VOL> lol one of the other guys here has been using that for teaching learn-at-home kids
[21:48] <Dan-K2VOL> I have only watched him do it
[21:48] <hibby> rukuartic: a good design procedure and an understanding of exactly what you want
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> LOL
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> Slogan Unmute yourself
[21:49] <hibby> you could just use ax.25 or something
[21:49] <rukuartic> Isn't AX.25 just as broken?
[21:49] <fsphil-laptop> but please something with error correction
[21:49] <fsphil-laptop> and not limited to afsk
[21:49] <rukuartic> G3RUH ok?
[21:51] <fsphil-laptop> I wonder how difficult it would be to have an actual network. there are tcp/ip systems on amateur radio isn't there?
[21:52] <rukuartic> Linux has a AX.25 stack
[21:52] <hibby> indeed
[21:52] <hibby> i've done tcp/ip over ax.25
[21:53] <rukuartic> How'd you go about doing that, and how well did it work?
[21:53] <hibby> slow
[21:53] <hibby> evn at 9600 baud
[21:53] <hibby> for a child of the 28.8k generation, it was slow
[21:53] <hibby> but it did work
[21:53] <rukuartic> not bad
[21:53] <hibby> ham radio has a dedicated ip range
[21:53] <hibby> look for AMPRNET
[21:53] <rukuartic> in IPv4?
[21:53] <hibby> 44.128.0.0/16
[21:54] <fsphil-laptop> neat
[21:54] <hibby> or
[21:54] <hibby> maybe even just 44.0.0.0/8
[21:54] <fsphil-laptop> how does someone get an IP in that range?
[21:54] <hibby> ask the local coordinator
[21:54] <hibby> http://www.ampr.org/amprnets.txt
[21:55] <hibby> that's the data for local amrnets
[21:55] <jcoxon> oh dear, Happy Feet 2
[21:55] <jcoxon> thats not good
[21:55] <fsphil-laptop> 44.131/16 United Kingdom G1FEF Chris Smith
[21:55] <hibby> http://www.ampr.org/ that's the full website
[21:56] <hibby> in case you hadn't worked it out
[21:56] <hibby> I think gordonjcp and I just asserted that we were going to have something or other and made it work
[21:56] <hibby> just as a private 9600baud thing on 70cm
[21:56] <hibby> there's so little activity on either up here that there was (essentially) 0 risk
[21:57] <fsphil-laptop> I guarantee I'd be the only one using it here
[21:57] <fsphil-laptop> I pretty much have 144.800 to myself :)
[21:57] <jcoxon> hibby, they only thing you share 70cm is are car key fobs
[21:57] <fsphil-laptop> and the odd hab launch
[21:58] <jcoxon> fsphil-laptop, you launching this weekend?
[21:58] <hibby> jcoxon: pretty much
[21:58] <fsphil-laptop> jcoxon, no. looks like a wet landing both days
[21:58] <hibby> http://i.imgur.com/MAYNz.jpg
[21:58] <hibby> :D
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[22:08] <rukuartic> Decode this? `iNq!5'>/]"5O}=
[22:09] <rukuartic> My guess is iNq! is the latitude, and the 5'>/ is the longitude...
[22:11] <rukuartic> But the manual on page 37 doesn't indicate what ` is for a symbol
[22:12] <rukuartic> Unless you skip all over the compressed position format and go straight to Mic-E
[22:17] <jcoxon> it would be fun to setup a licence exempt mesh like network
[22:17] <jcoxon> sort of open but underground
[22:17] <jcoxon> i've mulled over this a number of times in the past
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[22:19] <tim> oh i
[22:19] Nick change: tim -> TimZaman
[22:19] <TimZaman> got myself a new computer
[22:20] <TimZaman> got the logic analyzer in
[22:20] <TimZaman> pretty neat that its cross platform & 64b
[22:22] <fsphil> an open version of aprs-is jcoxon?
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander> btw
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[22:23] <jcoxon> fsphil, well more then that
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> is it true that Scottish people like Mars bars that have been in the chip pan?
[22:23] <hibby> Lunar_Lander: yep
[22:23] <jcoxon> perhaps irc style chat, simple text browsing
[22:23] <Upu> yes
[22:23] <Upu> they eat babies too
[22:23] <jcoxon> sure its a bit old school
[22:23] <hibby> we love everything that has been deep fried
[22:23] <Upu> afk walking dog
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> but I think one such bar has enough energy for a whole day
[22:23] <hibby> probably
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:24] <hibby> but that's usually the follow up to the deep fried pizza
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> those 8200 kJ
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[22:24] <hibby> (in batter, it's known as a pizza crunch)
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon, it's 8200 kJ/day for the normal man, right?
[22:25] <jcoxon> its usually 2500 calories
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> oh oh oh
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> deprecated units!
[22:26] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:26] <hibby> not on uk food labelling
[22:26] <jcoxon> pah - that what people know
[22:26] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:27] Nick change: fsphil-laptop -> fsphil
[22:27] <hibby> does that mean the average human male power consumption is 95W? seems a bit low...
[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> when David Hempleman-Adams and Rune Gjeldnes (or so) walked to the North Pole in 1998
[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> they made pudding from mars bars
[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> and put oil in all meals
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> they ate about 12000 kcal/day
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[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> still they lost so much weight that their old jeans were too big
[22:28] <hibby> before my flatmate was vegan we used to make mars-bar ice cream sauce
[22:28] <hibby> next level epic meal time style
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[22:29] <hibby> XD
[22:30] <fsphil> haha
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[22:33] <hibby> http://mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/VsupM.gif
[22:33] <hibby> yay
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> hi Paradoxial
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> I bought myself an L size breadboard btw
[22:33] <jonsowman> lol hibby
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> which has two breadboards on a metal plate
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> hi jonsowman
[22:34] <hibby> nice
[22:34] <jonsowman> hi Lunar_Lander
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> but they are unmarked
[22:34] Action: fsphil is playing with gnu radio
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> the XL version has three
[22:34] Action: fsphil is confused
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> and XXL four
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> but there is a marked XXL version
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.ebay.de/itm/Experimentierbrett-Steckbrett-Breadboard-XXL-/260649702673?pt=Elektromechanische_Bauelemente&hash=item3cafeed511
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> like this
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> I think it's better when the power rails have markings
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[22:39] <Upu> ping Darkside
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[22:58] <Darkside> Upu: yes, i was using 100nF
[22:58] <Darkside> not sure if its the best or not
[22:59] <Darkside> wait
[22:59] <Darkside> active antennas..
[22:59] <Darkside> dunno
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[23:07] <Upu> its passive antenna Darkside
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[23:17] <Lunar_Lander> hi juxta
[23:17] <Lunar_Lander> wb Paradoxial
[23:17] <juxta> hi Lunar_Lander
[23:17] <Lunar_Lander> juxta, we talked about no viruses in arduino's chip
[23:18] <Lunar_Lander> but in the arduino files are an EXE and two DLLs which have an 1/42 detection ratio on virustotal
[23:19] <juxta> I imagine it's a false positive
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:19] <juxta> though it's possible those files might get infected
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> even because the one scanner on the EXE is bytehero
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> which is purely heuristic
[23:19] <juxta> you don't need to worry about the arduino then spreading any bad code to other machines though
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> and the DLLs are recognized by a chinese scanner
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> that is good
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[23:50] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
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