highaltitude.log.20111113

[00:00] <Darkside> as in,howmany individial people
[00:00] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: 1000g
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[00:01] <Laurenceb_> howyee?
[00:01] <DanielRichman> Darkside: somewhere between 8 and 10
[00:02] <fsphil-laptop> I must see if I can parse the listener callsigns
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[00:09] <vk3vcl> Hearing the beast in Melbourne. Seeing data on screen but noting to decode just yet. Firming up nicely.
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[00:11] <fsphil-laptop> gotta love the range of these things
[00:17] <Laurenceb_> someones in the sea
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[00:20] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Cutdown assembled, patching ZP test balloon for SPITBall-1 next weekend. programming pressure logger. #ukhas #Arhab http://t.co/2aor8feY [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/135512255885357056]
[00:20] <DanielRichman> quail-htc: the solution to your problem is to install libjpeg62-dev instead of libjpeg8
[00:20] <DanielRichman> at any rate, these commands build dl-fldigi with no problems on a vanilla squeeze install:
[00:21] <griffonbot> @steamfire: Workin on White Star's zero pressure balloon burst test systems #ukhas http://t.co/0imB3bcc [http://twitter.com/steamfire/status/135512679803658240]
[00:22] <DanielRichman> http://pastie.org/private/heptmidoeusv09c1ilrwa
[00:27] <Darkside> haha
[00:28] <NigeyS> DanielRichman, i also used that command set for latest ubuntu, seemed to work fine
[00:29] <DanielRichman> yup; I tried it earlier on oneiric. Need to change git-core to git from the guide; have just updated it
[00:29] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: it actually builds which is more than I was expecting, but locks up hard all the time, like when I autoconfigure a payload, and doesn't appear to work with the sound card despite having all possible sound interfaces compiled up
[00:29] <Randomskk> I blame my desktop, though
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[00:29] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: my version or james'?
[00:30] <Randomskk> james'
[00:30] <DanielRichman> Have you visited the audio tab in the settings? It sometimes doesn't work out of the box
[00:30] <Randomskk> I have
[00:30] <DanielRichman> :S
[00:30] <DanielRichman> that's odd
[00:30] <Randomskk> yea :/
[00:31] <Randomskk> meh I will probably reimage my desktop soon ish, should ideally upgrade to 11.10 anyway
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[00:31] <DanielRichman> I feel like repartitioning my important stuff onto a large separate partition without / (but not /home since I don't want the dotfiles) and the going on a distro tasting spree
[00:32] <NigeyS> LFS :p
[00:32] <DanielRichman> ugh I can't stand gentoo let alone that
[00:33] <NigeyS> ive got it running twice
[00:33] <NigeyS> once with X once without
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[00:33] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: surely that's what VMs are for :P
[00:33] <DanielRichman> yeah I've got loads of those
[00:34] <DanielRichman> but it's not the same thing
[00:34] <Randomskk> true I guess
[00:34] <DanielRichman> great for trying out package management, serverness, command line, but ... the UI is just too laggy
[00:35] <Randomskk> how much time do you spend interacting with the OS's GUI, though?
[00:36] <DanielRichman> not much really. But I can't say i've 'tried' unity really if it's only in a vm.
[00:37] <Randomskk> true I guess
[00:37] <Randomskk> I plan to continue with xmonad anyway >_>
[00:37] <DanielRichman> i guess really when I say 'distro tasting spree' I mean oneiric vs squeeze >_>
[00:37] <Randomskk> ah
[00:38] <Randomskk> yea fair enough then
[00:38] <Randomskk> unity is kinda
[00:38] <Randomskk> well
[00:38] <Randomskk> weird
[00:38] <Randomskk> a bit shit
[00:38] <Randomskk> gnome was ok
[00:38] <Randomskk> atm I'm using gnome+xmonad
[00:38] <DanielRichman> yeah i dunno why they made it really :S
[00:38] <Randomskk> yea :/
[00:39] <Randomskk> it could end up being nice, to be fair
[00:39] <DanielRichman> It'd be great if debian didn't use sysv init.
[00:39] <Randomskk> ew
[00:39] <Randomskk> upstart4lief
[00:39] <fsphil-laptop> unity should probably be scrapped
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[00:39] <fsphil-laptop> or at least, don't make it the default
[00:39] <DanielRichman> upstart is great. everything else looks so ancient compared to it
[00:39] <NigeyS> haha it grows on you ,,, kinda
[00:39] <DanielRichman> apparently systemd is also a contendor? IDK. This is what I want to find out :P
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[00:43] <DanielRichman> systemd has a page on the debian wiki, whereas upstart does not... but wp says debian was considering a switch to upstart (abandoned)...
[00:43] <DanielRichman> I might also try fedora to confirm that I still hate rpm
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[00:44] <fsphil-laptop> there's no difference between rpm and deb ... it's the quality of the packagers that count
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[00:45] <Randomskk> there's this massive difference in that rpm sucks :P
[00:45] <fsphil-laptop> I've made packages for both .. rpm is much easier ;)
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[00:46] <Randomskk> yea but someone else makes packages anyway, plus if you're making one you're going to have to make the other anyway -- being nice to install is way better
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[00:46] <Randomskk> though this might just be bitterness at CentOS carrying over
[00:46] <DanielRichman> A few years ago I decided I hated both rpm and the RH repos; and I can't quite remember why
[00:46] <Randomskk> because they're out of date, slow and crap
[00:47] <Randomskk> possibly
[00:47] <Randomskk> that's why I hate them, anyway :P
[00:47] <DanielRichman> I think the debian/ubuntu packages, their dependencies are a lot cleaner; a 'minimal' install is really minimal and doesn't include some gtk/gnome libraries or other garbage (I remember something about that...)
[00:47] <fsphil-laptop> I had the same problem when I try using debian ;)
[00:47] <DanielRichman> well that's my thinking: wondering that my hate i just because I'm used to debian. So I guess I ought to try it to confirm ;P
[00:48] <DanielRichman> *is
[00:48] <fsphil-laptop> I also don't like freebsd for the same reason ;)
[00:50] <Randomskk> oh well. bed time.
[00:50] <Randomskk> ubuntu4lief!
[00:50] <fsphil-laptop> I'm going to give mint a go
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[00:58] <quail> DanielRichman: this the error http://paste.debian.net/145124/
[00:59] <DanielRichman> 00:20 < DanielRichman> quail-htc: the solution to your problem is to install libjpeg62-dev instead of libjpeg8
[00:59] <fsphil-laptop> -ljpeg is failing
[01:00] <DanielRichman> http://pastie.org/private/heptmidoeusv09c1ilrwa worked on a vanilla squeeze install
[01:00] <fsphil-laptop> I really must add the jpeg check to configure.ac
[01:01] <DanielRichman> autoconf makes <0 sense to me
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[01:01] <fsphil-laptop> ~0 for me .. maybe 0.001
[01:01] <fsphil-laptop> I sort of stumble through it
[01:01] <DanielRichman> i have absolutley no idea what I'm doing with it
[01:02] <DanielRichman> or where these magic macros come from and why they're different in every single program
[01:02] <fsphil-laptop> checking for things that provide a pkg-config file is trivial
[01:02] <fsphil-laptop> sadly libjpeg does not :)
[01:02] <quail> DanielRichman: I have libjpeg62-dev installed
[01:02] <DanielRichman> yes I might just make a pkgconfig file for libjsoncpp
[01:02] <DanielRichman> quail: can you remove libjpeg8-dev? You may need to ./configure again after installing libjpeg62-dev
[01:03] <quail> DanielRichman: no libjpeg8-dev installed
[01:03] <fsphil-laptop> it should work with the newer jpeg too though
[01:03] <quail> DanielRichman: I am running debian testing too
[01:05] <DanielRichman> hmm. Does git clean -> ./configure after installing libjpeg62 make a difference at all? :S If not then I don't know. I might be able to install wheezy but not today
[01:05] <DanielRichman> and/or change the error message to something else
[01:06] <quail> DanielRichman: clean run of the source does nothing
[01:07] <quail> DanielRichman: no diff I mean
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[01:07] <fsphil-laptop> debian unstable?
[01:07] <fsphil-laptop> I don't have it but I'll see if I can grab a copy
[01:08] <juxta-chasecar> hi all
[01:08] <quail> fsphil-laptop: I running debian testing, but unstable are much of much
[01:08] <DanielRichman> quail: what; the error message still mentiones libjpeg8 :S? That's odd
[01:09] <fsphil-laptop> very odd
[01:09] <Lunar_Lander> what is the assumed burst?
[01:09] <DanielRichman> maybe it's including the wrong jpeg.h. You might be able to locate the wrong and real ones with dpkg -L or something and then CFLAGS=-Iblah ./configure
[01:09] <Darkside> now
[01:09] <Darkside> lol
[01:11] <fsphil-laptop> going down?
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[01:12] <griffonbot> @projecthorus: Balloon has burst, normal flight so far. Going for recovery. #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/projecthorus/status/135525307208830977]
[01:12] <Darkside> woot
[01:12] <fsphil-laptop> yays
[01:12] <fsphil-laptop> I looked away for a minute, it seems to be going backwards
[01:12] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[01:15] <Gillerire> Hey Darkside
[01:15] <NigeyS> blimey that came down quick :|
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[01:15] <Gillerire> anybody got the spacenearus link?
[01:16] <NigeyS> http://spacenear.us/tracker
[01:16] <Gillerire> cheers
[01:16] <NigeyS> :)
[01:16] <vk2kaw> pop
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[01:19] <Lunar_Lander> btw fsphil-laptop do you remember the search for the sparkfun box earlier?
[01:19] <Lunar_Lander> I just saw that the Venus GPS and the FT-232 sit there along with the other breakouts
[01:19] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[01:25] <Darkside> hi Vk5fasj
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[01:26] <Vk5fasj> Hi
[01:30] <Vk5fasj> Just monitoring the Horus Balloon on aprs.fi, is anyone else tracking the balloon?
[01:31] <Darkside> yep
[01:31] <Darkside> we're underneath it
[01:31] <Darkside> :P
[01:31] <Darkside> well, not uite
[01:31] <Darkside> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[01:31] <fsphil-laptop> ah it's turned yet again
[01:31] <vk2kaw> well watching it on spacenear but not able to hear the rtty
[01:31] <fsphil-laptop> this thing doens't know where it's going
[01:32] <Vk5fasj> It's losing altitude think it's going to come down soon
[01:32] <vk2kaw> it has poped
[01:33] <vk2kaw> or the Balloon has burst
[01:33] <Darkside> its burst all right
[01:33] <Darkside> we're getting into position for langing
[01:34] <vk2kaw> or has it seems to be going up again
[01:34] <Vk5fasj> Ok
[01:34] <fsphil-laptop> gravity wins again
[01:34] <Darkside> no its going down
[01:34] <Darkside> we're spreading out to cover as much area as possible for landing
[01:34] <vk2kaw> bugga I looked at wrong screen
[01:36] <Vk5fasj> Horus didn't get to fly for very long this time
[01:36] <Darkside> wasnt too bad
[01:36] <Darkside> its what we wanted anyway
[01:37] <Darkside> anyway, i'm ging clear for a bit
[01:37] <Darkside> will inform when it lands
[01:38] <Vk5fasj> ok thanks
[01:38] <SpeedEvil> Good luck!
[01:38] <vk2kaw> looks like it will be close to a road
[01:39] <Darkside> i don't trust the predictors
[01:40] <Lunar_Lander> it's speeding again
[01:40] <Lunar_Lander> more than highway speed now
[01:40] <Darkside> ok i think we're going to go out of phone range soonish
[01:41] <vk2kaw> 133k bit fast hi hi
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[01:55] <VK5FDCA> Hi
[01:56] <Vk5fasj> Hi Dom
[01:57] <Vk5fasj> Horus is under 1000m, sorry if i am stating the obvious
[01:58] <fsphil-laptop> 2.6km on my screen?
[01:58] <Vk5fasj> that's odd two different reading
[01:58] <Vk5fasj> i am looking at aprs.fi
[01:59] <fsphil-laptop> ah, I'm watching habitat/spacenear.us
[01:59] <fsphil-laptop> I think it may be behind
[02:00] <Vk5fasj> http://spacenear.us/tracker/ thinks it 2200M so i don't know which one is right
[02:00] <fsphil-laptop> 2km now
[02:00] <fsphil-laptop> I suspect spacenearus is accurate
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[02:02] <Vk5fasj> Well i guess i will keep an eye on both of them
[02:03] <fsphil-laptop> 1.3km now .. what's aprs.fi saying?
[02:03] <SpeedEvil> Yeah - the altitude graph looks good.
[02:03] <SpeedEvil> So it's likely real
[02:04] <fsphil-laptop> 1km now
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[02:04] <fsphil-laptop> it should be introduced to the ground in the next few minutes...
[02:04] <SpeedEvil> Do you think the ground wants to be its friend?
[02:04] <SpeedEvil> Are those dark green things trees?
[02:04] <VK5FDCA> ahaha
[02:04] <fsphil-laptop> I think it does!
[02:05] <fsphil-laptop> noooo don't say the T word
[02:05] <VK5FDCA> close now
[02:05] <SpeedEvil> Curving a little.
[02:05] <SpeedEvil> :)
[02:05] <SpeedEvil> Woo!
[02:05] <fsphil-laptop> VK5VZI is very well placed
[02:05] <fsphil-laptop> yay predictor
[02:06] <SpeedEvil> Woo!
[02:07] <Vk5fasj> aprs.fi thinks it's at 107M
[02:07] <fsphil-laptop> los
[02:07] <fsphil-laptop> 286 m
[02:07] <fsphil-laptop> 87
[02:07] <fsphil-laptop> wonder what ground level is
[02:07] <SpeedEvil> Probably around 87, I'd guess.
[02:07] <fsphil-laptop> that's a good bet
[02:08] <VK5FDCA> touch down?
[02:08] <SpeedEvil> By now, yes
[02:08] <fsphil-laptop> yep
[02:08] <fsphil-laptop> no more data
[02:09] <VK5FDCA> where it landed is 77m HASL
[02:10] <fsphil-laptop> that would make sense
[02:10] <fsphil-laptop> I wonder if it's still transmitting, or if they're a bit too far to hear it
[02:10] <Lunar_Lander> so end of flight
[02:10] <Lunar_Lander> well done Horus team
[02:10] <fsphil-laptop> unless it bounced
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[02:11] <SpeedEvil> Nice field too.
[02:11] <SpeedEvil> At least apparantly.
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[02:12] <fsphil-laptop> lack of new telemetry is always a worry :)
[02:12] <SpeedEvil> The situation reminds me of:
[02:13] <SpeedEvil> http://xkcd.com/135/
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[02:13] <SpeedEvil> (bottom panel)
[02:14] <SpeedEvil> Neat - drive-up recovery.
[02:15] <BrainDamage> actually, this channel generally reminds me more of https://www.xkcd.com/585/
[02:15] <SpeedEvil> At one point the cars were round it in a triangle
[02:15] <Lunar_Lander> XD!!
[02:15] <SpeedEvil> That too, yes.
[02:15] <SpeedEvil> I've linked that before. :)
[02:16] <VK5FDCA> all is silent...
[02:16] <VK5FDCA> :)
[02:16] <fsphil-laptop> that, but with koalas
[02:16] <SpeedEvil> drop-bears.
[02:17] <Guest93124> Let's hope the scene doesn't resemble a yard sale!
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[02:41] <SpeedEvil> I guess the field is really a bottomless swamp.
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[02:41] <fsphil-laptop> crocodiles!
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[02:43] <fsphil-laptop> night all
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[02:53] <pschulz01> Goodnight..
[02:53] Nick change: pschulz01 -> vk5fpaw
[03:01] <griffonbot> @projecthorus: Horus 18 payload has been retrieved #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/projecthorus/status/135552719019708416]
[03:07] <Darkside> hey all
[03:07] <Darkside> heading back now
[03:08] <Guest93124> Congratulations, team! All wrapped up in time for lunch with a well-deserved cold one...
[03:08] <Darkside> heh
[03:08] <Darkside> yeah
[03:08] <Darkside> video is awesome
[03:09] <Darkside> not sure how much we can release just yet
[03:09] <Darkside> so i won't be showing anything
[03:09] <SpeedEvil> Darkside: :)
[03:09] <SpeedEvil> Congrats!
[03:10] <Guest93124> You teaser!!
[03:10] <SpeedEvil> Still planning on another one tomorrow - or was that not you?
[03:10] <Darkside> thats not us
[03:11] <SpeedEvil> Ah.
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[03:16] <vk5gr> ping darkside
[03:16] <Darkside> ok
[03:16] <Darkside> hold on
[03:17] <Darkside> uploading the pic
[03:18] <Darkside> slooooow uploading
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[03:18] <vk5gr> waiting waiting waiting :-)
[03:18] <Darkside> grrr
[03:18] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/KBEBk.jpg
[03:19] <juxta> perfect timing
[03:19] <Darkside> yup
[03:19] <SpeedEvil> :)
[03:20] <SpeedEvil> Much hunting in the field?
[03:20] <Darkside> nah
[03:20] <Darkside> we could see it from heaps far away
[03:20] <vk5gr> he alway needed a face lift
[03:20] <SpeedEvil> :)
[03:23] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/HT8Pu.jpg
[03:24] <SpeedEvil> You know you can get arrested for doing that in some places?
[03:25] <Darkside> hahahaha
[03:26] <SpeedEvil> Looks like a handy place to fill.
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[03:31] <Dom_> Hi Again
[03:32] <quail> DanielRichman: got it compiled
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[04:19] <rukuartic> Whoo. Flight in T-4 hours
[04:27] <rukuartic> Is there a standard way of reporting position over APRS? (Bit of a dumb question...)
[04:28] <rukuartic> I was reading through the APRS manual, and it seems that there's about fifteen different ways.
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[05:07] <Darkside> http://rfhead.net/gallery/2011-11-13_Horus_18/
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[05:10] <rukuartic> Darkside: Nice!
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[06:49] <VK5CP> matt or mark u still here?
[06:49] <Darkside> VK5CP: yep
[06:49] <VK5CP> all went well?
[06:49] <Darkside> yep!
[06:49] <Darkside> * Eisbrecher - 2010 - Eiszeit [FLAC]
[06:49] <Darkside> * 4.9 / 376.2 MB Rate: 0.0 / 84.7 KB Uploaded: 0.0 MB [ 0%] 0d 1:14 [T R: 0.00]
[06:49] <Darkside> ACK
[06:50] <Darkside> wrong link
[06:50] <Darkside> http://rfhead.net/gallery/2011-11-13_Horus_18/
[06:50] <VK5CP> nice pics - where did it land?
[06:51] <Darkside> about 60km east of tailem bend
[06:51] <Darkside> the track should still be on http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[06:52] <VK5CP> good stuff, terry's belt is straight out of the 1960's!
[06:52] <Darkside> haha
[06:52] <Darkside> but yeah, all good
[06:52] <Darkside> aprs worked really well
[06:53] <Darkside> apart form matt forgetting to do a metres to feet conversion
[06:53] <VK5CP> good, when i the next one - what payload?
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[06:53] <Darkside> next launch will be the skipping giel vinegar monkey launch
[06:53] <Darkside> 2 weeks time
[06:53] <VK5CP> what?
[06:53] <VK5CP> ok I got it now
[06:54] <VK5CP> she had a nice sign in the fractory in melbourne - lot of history there
[06:54] <Darkside> ?
[06:54] <VK5CP> sat or sun?
[06:54] <Darkside> dunno yet
[06:54] <VK5CP> skipping girl vinegar?
[06:55] <Darkside> its some indie band
[06:55] <Darkside> we're launching their mascot thing
[06:56] <VK5CP> or is it the 5 piece band skipping giril?
[06:57] <VK5CP> http://www.nattrust.com.au/trust_register/search_the_register/skipping_girl_vinegar_sign
[06:57] <Darkside> nah,
[06:57] <Darkside> theres info on the project horus site
[06:58] <VK5CP> ok its the band - have a look at the link for the 'real' skipping girl vinegar sotry
[06:58] <VK5CP> The Skipping Girl sign, a 1970 version of the 1936 original, is of social and historical importance at the State level. The Skipping Girl sign, constructed to advertise the 'Skipping Girl' brand vinegar, first established in the 1900s, is by far the best known and will loved animated Neon sign in Melbourne. Though a 1970 reproduction, it is a near replica of the 1936 original, which was a landmark early animated sign, and one
[06:59] <VK5CP> sized figure of a little girl joyously skipping rope, it is a prominent landmark on a major approach into the city, and has brought delight to generations of Melburnians. The public appeal of the sign was so great that when the Vinegar works moved in 1968, and the building was demolished and the sign removed, the public outcry resulted in a campaign to save 'little Audrey'.This culminated in a reproduction being built and sited o
[06:59] <VK5CP> as a 1970 reproduction, the Skipping Girl is unique. It is one of the few neon sky-signs remaining in Victoria, and is the only one to include an animated figure, and is indeed one of the few to remain animated at all. Of those that survive, these is a remarkable concentration in the Richmond area, flagging its industrial history. They include PELACO, NYLEX, Slade and Victoria Bitter signs, as well as the Skipping Girl.
[06:59] <VK5CP> ok gotta go mark. 73
[07:00] <Darkside> 73
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[08:35] <quail> anyone here using debian testing 64bit and like to test dl-fldigi for me please?
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[08:51] <Upu> mroning
[08:51] <number10> morning
[08:52] <Upu> horus recovered ?
[08:53] <number10> yes
[08:54] <number10> http://twitter.com/#!/projecthorus/status/135552719019708416
[08:54] <Upu> interesting flight
[08:54] <Upu> it went up and then burst and came down again
[08:54] <Upu> not had many of those recently
[08:54] <number10> lol
[08:54] <Upu> did something go wrong ? :)
[08:56] <number10> dunno - was it some sort of comercial flight as Darkside says video is good but not sure how much he can release just yet
[08:58] <number10> http://rfhead.net/gallery/2011-11-13_Horus_18/
[08:59] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/GUQoK.png
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[09:00] <number10> working in support mest be a pain
[09:01] <number10> whats the red thing they were taking film of in front of the camera - looks like a yoyo
[09:02] <Darkside> that would be because it is one
[09:03] <number10> lol - I should have just asked you
[09:03] <number10> are we not suppossed to know yet?
[09:03] <Darkside> yeah kind of
[09:04] <number10> ok I'll keep quiet
[09:04] <Upu> hey Darkside
[09:04] <Darkside> hey Upu
[09:04] <Upu> good flight ?
[09:08] <Darkside> yup
[09:08] <Darkside> went very well
[09:10] <Upu> good pics when they load
[09:19] <eroomde> Upu: board arrived!
[09:19] <eroomde> thanks very much!
[09:19] <Upu> no problems
[09:19] <Upu> let me know how you get on with it
[09:20] <eroomde> willdo
[09:22] <eroomde> need to aquire a ublox 6 now
[09:22] <Darkside> oh hye guys
[09:22] <Darkside> the ublox 6 worked fine
[09:22] <Darkside> apart from a beagle 2 level error
[09:23] <eroomde> ?
[09:23] <Darkside> (aprs network wants altitude in feet, we gave it in metres)
[09:23] <eroomde> that's not beagle 2
[09:23] <Darkside> oh?
[09:23] <eroomde> that's a nasa problem
[09:23] <Darkside> oh :P
[09:23] <eroomde> global surveyor and polar lander
[09:23] <Darkside> ahh
[09:23] <eroomde> the death of faster/better/cheaper
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[09:42] <number10> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-15689725
[09:44] <eroomde> v jolly
[10:14] <number10> I am probably the only one who hasnt seen this - but just in case - Toshibas chair in space http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4d0_1321078656
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[10:43] <fsphil-laptop> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=d0121e1ff059dcfa5f79f226a9fff2c552cc3024
[10:43] <fsphil-laptop> maybe
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[10:46] <number10> thats a slow ascent
[10:48] <fsphil-laptop> yea, be tricky measuring it before launch
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[10:51] <fsphil-laptop> ah man, the wind data just got updated
[10:51] <fsphil-laptop> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=5ce21a08a9747a977306639052a6252321728a9d
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[10:58] <daveake_> fsphil-laptop - Try for an IOM landing?
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[10:59] <liammk> anyone there
[11:00] <eroomde> yup
[11:01] <DanielRichman> quail: cool; what did you have to change to make it compile?
[11:02] <quail> DanielRichman: ./configure --enable-optimizations=sse2 --disable-flarq INTL_LIBS=/usr/lib/libjpeg.so.8
[11:02] <DanielRichman> lovely
[11:02] <quail> DanielRichman: I have made a deb too
[11:02] <DanielRichman> nice :-)
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[11:06] <quail> DanielRichman: if you want to add it to the wiki --> dale.id.au/pub/dl-fldigi/dl-fldigi_3.20.29.r115-1_amd64.deb dale.id.au/pub/dl-fldigi/dl-fldigi_3.20.29.r115-1.debian.tar.gz dale.id.au/pub/dl-fldigi/dl-fldigi_3.20.29.r115-1.dsc dale.id.au/pub/dl-fldigi/dl-fldigi_3.20.29.r115.orig.tar.gz
[11:07] <DanielRichman> quail: awesome. So we're gonna be releasing a new version soon; when that happens that will be very useful; I hope we can just re-use your work for that
[11:07] <DanielRichman> quail: jcoxon may want to put your .deb on his github downloads page
[11:07] <quail> DanielRichman: np, it not perfect, but it works
[11:08] <DanielRichman> yeah I think at some point I'm just going to learn to 2 autoconf and do it properly
[11:08] <quail> yep
[11:09] <quail> DanielRichman: the deb, built under debian testing/unstable
[11:13] <quail> this 2012 movie full of action and exploding things
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[11:21] <fsphil-laptop> daveake_, I'm not sure that's possible
[11:21] <fsphil-laptop> well it's possible, but very unlikely
[11:22] <fsphil-laptop> also makes recovery slightly difficult ;)
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[11:31] <vk5gr> evening
[11:32] <quail> hi
[11:32] <fsphil-laptop> morning vk5gr :)
[11:32] <vk5gr> how are we all this fine evening?
[11:33] <quail> not bad, and you?
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[11:33] <vk5gr> tired after today's chase - it's not great sitting in the back seat of Matts car as we chase balloons - not a lot of leg room :-)
[11:34] <fsphil-laptop> that's never fun!
[11:34] <fsphil-laptop> well the chase is, but the sitting not so much
[11:34] <vk5gr> not in the back seat of a toyota hilux at any rate
[11:35] <vk5gr> at least this time it wasnt a sprint finish unlike Horus 17 - we ended up practically rallying our way through the back blocks on Horus 17
[11:35] <quail> hehe, well I had fun trying to compile dl-fldigi for debian
[11:35] <fsphil-laptop> everything onboard work? I haven't heard anything other than that it was recovered
[11:35] <fsphil-laptop> how'd that go quail?
[11:36] <fsphil-laptop> I downloaded testing last night but haven't installed it yet
[11:36] <vk5gr> at least today we had Horus 18 over fly us at about 1100m altitude before landing
[11:36] <quail> fsphil-laptop: got it done and made a deb
[11:36] <fsphil-laptop> what was the problem in the end?
[11:36] <vk5gr> near textbook flight
[11:36] <quail> fsphil-laptop: ./configure INTL_LIBS=/usr/lib/libjpeg.so.8
[11:36] <fsphil-laptop> aaah
[11:37] <quail> and had to remove #include <curl/type.h> from dl-fldigi.h too
[11:38] <vk5gr> fsphil-laptop: the video came out well from the rushes I saw on the main camera - the little ebay specials all quit when they got rained on. Just reviewed the ground crew footage and that looks OK too
[11:39] <vk5gr> fsphil-laptop: the APRS payload worked really well too - apart from a Project Beagle malfunction in the programming (damn those m to ft conversions - must remember to do that next time says Matt! :-))
[11:39] <fsphil-laptop> quail, yes the curl/type problem appeared on F16 too
[11:39] <fsphil-laptop> aah so that's why the aprs was reporting the wrong altitude
[11:40] <fsphil-laptop> aprs uses feet???
[11:40] <vk5gr> yup oops
[11:40] <quail> fsphil-laptop: yeah I just removed the line and it compiled passed it
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[11:40] <vk5gr> yeah - aprs expects ft and farenheit
[11:40] <fsphil-laptop> bah
[11:40] <quail> fsphil-laptop: --> dale.id.au/pub/dl-fldigi/dl-fldigi_3.20.29.r115-1_amd64.deb dale.id.au/pub/dl-fldigi/dl-fldigi_3.20.29.r115-1.debian.tar.gz dale.id.au/pub/dl-fldigi/dl-fldigi_3.20.29.r115-1.dsc dale.id.au/pub/dl-fldigi/dl-fldigi_3.20.29.r115.orig.tar.gz
[11:41] <fsphil-laptop> Will give them a spin quail. Going to battle with Fedora 16 again tonight too
[11:41] <fsphil-laptop> quail, is that using the jcoxon repo?
[11:41] <fsphil-laptop> *build from
[11:41] <fsphil-laptop> *built
[11:41] <fsphil-laptop> bah, fingers are still asleep
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[11:42] <quail> umm good question, it repo or from launchpad
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[11:49] <DanielRichman> https://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi/blob/master/configure.ac#L282 fsphil-laptop this is what I did to link jsoncpp in
[11:50] <DanielRichman> same thing should work for jpeg I think. That works without a pkgconfig file
[11:50] <DanielRichman> but it's not perfect
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[11:50] <DanielRichman> for a C library [main] can be replaced with a function from the library too; that'd be better. (There's no c function I can use since jsoncpp is entirely C++ classes and stuff)
[11:51] <DanielRichman> I can't remember if it error exits properly if it doesn't find the library (need to fix that aswell
[11:51] <fsphil-laptop> you should probably check for the headers as well
[11:53] <DanielRichman> i have no idea what I'm doing :P
[11:53] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[11:53] <fsphil-laptop> the bit I added to test for libjpeg is really bad
[11:54] <fsphil-laptop> so bad I don't want to push it to github
[11:54] <DanielRichman> haha
[11:55] <DanielRichman> oh so that's where all the magic macros are
[11:55] <DanielRichman> the m4 folder
[11:55] <daveake_> fsphil-laptop - re IOM, I wasn't being serious :)
[11:55] <fsphil-laptop> daveake_, I like the idea though ;)
[11:55] <DanielRichman> oh so I can use AC_CHECK_HEADER as in m4/oss.m4
[11:56] <quail> DanielRichman: I just kept hacking till it worked
[11:56] <fsphil-laptop> daveake_, actually with onboard prediction and a cut-down ...
[11:56] <DanielRichman> cool I reckon I can actually fix this properly
[11:56] <daveake_> Now we're talking ;)
[11:57] <DanielRichman> is there a nifty build service like launchpad ppas for debian/and or can you use launchpad ppas for debian?
[11:57] <fsphil-laptop> the failsafe would be to drift to england or wales
[11:57] <quail> DanielRichman: debian have there own build system
[11:57] <quail> DanielRichman: look at debian mentors
[11:58] <DanielRichman> hmm. We've never tried getting dl-fldigi into a distro
[11:58] <DanielRichman> it has been a bit of a hacky fork for a while
[11:58] <DanielRichman> I could just make a massive pro buildbot on kraken with chroots for ALL the debian/ubuntu/fedora/mingw32 variants
[11:58] <quail> DanielRichman: I have to help get the current version into debian
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[11:59] <fsphil-laptop> I could probably annoy someone to get it into fedora :)
[11:59] <quail> DanielRichman: I mean I happy to help get into debian
[12:00] <quail> DanielRichman: as once it in debian, ubuntu and others will pick it up
[12:00] <DanielRichman> cool. We can talk about trying to do that on the next release (which is quite soon)
[12:00] <fsphil-laptop> how soon?
[12:01] <DanielRichman> quite soon
[12:02] <DanielRichman> It's finished except for
[12:02] <DanielRichman> https://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi/issues
[12:02] <quail> fsphil-laptop: never ask for eta, and you'll never be disappointed
[12:02] <DanielRichman> and I'm about to add configure.ac to that list
[12:02] <fsphil-laptop> lol
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[12:03] <TimZaman> hi
[12:03] <fsphil-laptop> I've some ideas for changing the ssdv header to include callsign. hmm... I'd need to test it first though
[12:03] <fsphil-laptop> it can be in a later release
[12:03] <TimZaman> how was horus 18
[12:03] <TimZaman> where is the flightpath
[12:03] <TimZaman> is it still fying ;)?
[12:03] <DanielRichman> okay so you can see there are 6 issues in that list fsphil-laptop
[12:03] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, safely back on earth
[12:03] <DanielRichman> (just added a couple)
[12:03] <fsphil-laptop> lol, saw three - was getting worried
[12:03] <DanielRichman> those are the remaining things to do. Everything has been coded (search, gps, all that stuff)
[12:04] <TimZaman> fsphil what are you doing with ssdv?
[12:04] <DanielRichman> and it all works (well, it needs some more intense testing but they pass the smoke test)
[12:04] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, add the callsign or payload name to the packet - don't rely on what the user has selected in dl-fldigi basically
[12:04] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, also quality level
[12:04] <DanielRichman> it'd be nice to do some sort of beta release soon so that people can try it out
[12:04] <TimZaman> fsphil yeah that's kinda errorprone
[12:05] <TimZaman> fsphil quality level yaaay
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[12:05] <fsphil-laptop> beta release is a good idea. probably not wise to test it in a chase, but everyone else can try it
[12:06] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, higher quality will make the transfer times longer though
[12:06] <Robert_M0RJX> I'm hoping to do a launch b4 christmas
[12:06] <Robert_M0RJX> Would be up for beta testing
[12:06] <TimZaman> i'm doing two launches within a few weeks
[12:07] <fsphil-laptop> me too hopefully
[12:08] <fsphil-laptop> I've almost forgotten how to launch it's been that long ;)
[12:09] <fsphil-laptop> what's issue #1 about DanielRichman-- the wizard
[12:09] <DanielRichman> oh that's something new to my code
[12:09] <fsphil-laptop> what are you sending up Robert_M0RJX
[12:09] <fsphil-laptop> ?
[12:10] <DanielRichman> the [Save] button in the config dialogue updates the UploaderThread's configuration; I need to do the same for the Finish button on the wizard
[12:10] <DanielRichman> or on first start it won't be configured to upload anything
[12:11] <fsphil-laptop> aaah gotcha
[12:12] <fsphil-laptop> trying to build it now (jsoncpp)
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[12:13] <fsphil-laptop> 0.5.0 recent enough?
[12:13] <fsphil-laptop> ooh that's right, I hit scons problems
[12:15] <DanielRichman> scons platform=linux-gcc
[12:16] <DanielRichman> I packaged libjsoncpp for debian; here is the rules file: http://pastie.org/private/cgpk0mo97tr6vzmratqqq ; it might serve as a 'build guide' to an extent
[12:17] <fsphil-laptop> scons is weird
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[12:18] <zyp> scons is nice
[12:18] <TimZaman> fsphil yeah but GIMP seemed to compress the images better than ssdv, you know, the smaller blocks?
[12:20] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, it does. the code I wrote to requantise it is very crude. it just multiplies each coefficient by the original quantisation factor, then divides it by the new one
[12:21] <fsphil-laptop> for the command line ssdv, I'm going to see if letting libjpeg do that job will make a better image. it should definitely be better
[12:22] <fsphil-laptop> it could be a simple matter of better rounding too
[12:23] <TimZaman> =)
[12:24] <fsphil-laptop> basically the jpeg format is full of fun and games ;)
[12:24] <TimZaman> :)
[12:25] <TimZaman> fsphil still, RS code on the gps string would be sweeeeet
[12:25] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, doing that now actually. a binary packet for location
[12:25] <fsphil-laptop> 64 bytes long
[12:25] <TimZaman> otherwise i will just use imagemagick to make a jpeg with the GPS info, receive that, and OCR the data and parse it to the server!
[12:25] <fsphil-laptop> contains callsign, time, latitude, longitude and altitude
[12:25] <TimZaman> 64bytes thats very nice.
[12:26] <fsphil-laptop> 64 or 48, haven't decided
[12:26] <fsphil-laptop> probably 64
[12:26] <fsphil-laptop> it's about the length of current strings
[12:26] <TimZaman> yep
[12:26] <TimZaman> 48 would be nice too
[12:26] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[12:27] <fsphil-laptop> less error correction though
[12:27] <TimZaman> i mean, the whole "PD4TA" string isnt neccesary at all, its not required since its a LPD right
[12:27] <fsphil-laptop> 64 byte packet can handle 16 errors
[12:28] <fsphil-laptop> the callsign part is only 6 bytes long, can handle callsigns up to 9 characters
[12:28] <fsphil-laptop> thinking of those funky long australian ones :) hi vk5fpaw :)
[12:28] <TimZaman> yeah okay but what i'm saying is that the callsigns are pretty large & useless anyway
[12:28] <TimZaman> but yeah if you're using 300baud, it's so damn fast that it doesnt matter.
[12:29] <fsphil-laptop> I'd like this to be useful to amateur radio in general
[12:29] <TimZaman> i'll be using awesome 50 baud in my next simple flight
[12:29] <TimZaman> arduino poewr
[12:29] <fsphil-laptop> oh yes, a 64-byte packet would be sent in no time at 300 baud
[12:30] <TimZaman> yep
[12:30] <fsphil-laptop> I'm hoping to test it on the next flight here
[12:30] <fsphil-laptop> mix it with regular text telemetry
[12:30] <nosebleedKT> do we know if ublox can be set to return current utc time with new saved times?
[12:30] <nosebleedKT> rephrase
[12:31] <nosebleedKT> here we have put our clocks +1 hrs
[12:31] <fsphil-laptop> GPS works at UTC only
[12:31] <nosebleedKT> ok
[12:31] <fsphil-laptop> any timezone bits you have to do yourself
[12:31] <fsphil-laptop> better to transmit UTC though.. do any conversion afterwards
[12:31] <nosebleedKT> hm
[12:32] <nosebleedKT> but in my code i add +3hrs UTC+3
[12:32] <nosebleedKT> for greece and its ok
[12:32] <nosebleedKT> but now the time is one hour back
[12:32] <nosebleedKT> because of the timezone change
[12:32] <nosebleedKT> so its like UTC+@
[12:32] <fsphil-laptop> hence using only UTC :) keeps things simple
[12:32] <nosebleedKT> so its like UTC+2
[12:33] <nosebleedKT> ok
[12:33] <nosebleedKT> that got a point :)
[12:33] <fsphil-laptop> so your payload might only use UTC, but your software on the ground could add the +2
[12:33] <fsphil-laptop> easier to change that, than reprogram the payload
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[12:33] <nosebleedKT> yes but the +2 or +3 must be changed in cod
[12:33] <nosebleedKT> e
[12:33] <nosebleedKT> code*
[12:34] <fsphil-laptop> depends on the software you're using on the ground I guess
[12:34] <nosebleedKT> so either the ground software is able to keep in time
[12:34] <nosebleedKT> but i think pc software will get its time from host computer
[12:34] <fsphil-laptop> I only usually adjust the time to the local timezone when I'm displaying it
[12:34] <fsphil-laptop> it's always stored in utc
[12:35] <nosebleedKT> ok
[12:35] <fsphil-laptop> yep, but as long as your PC software knows the payload is using UTC, it can handle it
[12:35] <nosebleedKT> yes
[12:35] <fsphil-laptop> that way it can correct it automatically, even with the hour change
[12:35] <nosebleedKT> y, thats right
[12:35] <nosebleedKT> desktop software got tons of libraries to get current timezone
[12:36] <nosebleedKT> so its easy to do that
[12:36] <fsphil-laptop> indeedy
[12:36] <nosebleedKT> good
[12:36] <fsphil-laptop> they also have up-to-date databases of timezones
[12:36] <fsphil-laptop> as they keep changing!
[12:36] <nosebleedKT> hehe
[12:36] <fsphil-laptop> the uk gov is talking about switching to CET for example. that would mess up any software that assumed GMT/BST
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[12:37] <nosebleedKT> i dont understand those things
[12:37] <nosebleedKT> why change the time
[12:37] <nosebleedKT> we got seasons that change our internal clocks :
[12:37] <fsphil-laptop> I agree
[12:37] <nosebleedKT> :)
[12:37] <nosebleedKT> winter more night more cold
[12:38] <nosebleedKT> summer more light more heat
[12:38] <fsphil-laptop> daylight savings time is just annoying
[12:38] <nosebleedKT> what the hell time got to do with it
[12:38] <fsphil-laptop> well up here the seasons have more of an effect on the day
[12:38] <fsphil-laptop> but changing the clock doesn't really help much
[12:38] <nosebleedKT> stupid things to make humans robots i think :P
[12:38] <fsphil-laptop> it's either dark in the morning, or dark in the evening
[12:39] <nosebleedKT> they try to reprogram you phil :p
[12:39] <fsphil-laptop> I don't see much sunlight this time of year :)
[12:39] <nosebleedKT> so you get white ?
[12:39] <fsphil-laptop> It's night time when I go to work, and night time when I go home ;)
[12:39] <nosebleedKT> hehe
[12:39] <nosebleedKT> zombie :P
[12:39] <fsphil-laptop> it would be a good time of year for a vampire ;)
[12:40] <nosebleedKT> i still got tan from the summer sun, but i start to get white too
[12:40] <nosebleedKT> and i hate white faces :)
[12:40] <fsphil-laptop> you'd not want to come here then lol
[12:40] <nosebleedKT> zombie attack on nosebleedKT
[12:40] <nosebleedKT> :P
[12:40] <fsphil-laptop> the sun it out now actually
[12:41] <nosebleedKT> :):)
[12:41] <nosebleedKT> +1
[12:41] <fsphil-laptop> really windy too
[12:41] <nosebleedKT> You know i stopped from this job. I now wait to start the new job on 1/12
[12:41] <fsphil-laptop> odd
[12:41] <nosebleedKT> with normal hiring and basic salar
[12:42] <nosebleedKT> this jonb was for a month. he told me from the begginiing. Until the original programmer finishes from army.
[12:42] <nosebleedKT> army finished, he came back and i left.
[12:42] <nosebleedKT> i made 640e
[12:42] <nosebleedKT> in 19 working days
[12:42] <quail> fsphil-laptop and DanielRichman -> http://mentors.debian.net/package/dl-fldigi
[12:43] <fsphil-laptop> nice
[12:43] <DanielRichman> nice. No need to push it before the new release
[12:44] <quail> ok, it there just to get the ball rolling, need to get sponsors etc
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[12:50] <fsphil-laptop> ah, opensuse have a jsoncpp rpm
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[13:12] <fsphil-laptop> which doesn't work
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[13:15] <fsphil-laptop> ah, my fault
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[13:27] <Lunar_Lander> well, didn't I say it?
[13:27] <Lunar_Lander> hi TimZaman & Jessica_Lily
[13:27] <Jessica_Lily> Hey :)
[13:28] <Lunar_Lander> how are you :)?
[13:28] <Jessica_Lily> I'm good thanks :)
[13:28] <Lunar_Lander> great to hear :)
[13:28] <Lunar_Lander> I'm good too, thanks
[13:28] <Jessica_Lily> awesome ^_^
[13:28] <Jessica_Lily> doing much today?
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[13:29] <Lunar_Lander> not really Jessica_Lily and you?
[13:29] <Jessica_Lily> wow netsplit came back
[13:29] <fsphil-laptop> yay
[13:29] <Jessica_Lily> Lunar_Lander going back to university
[13:29] <fsphil-laptop> normality restored
[13:29] <fsphil-laptop> if you can call it normal
[13:29] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[13:29] <Lunar_Lander> were you at home for the weekend?
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[13:30] <fsphil-laptop> DanielRichman, I'm getting loads of ./habitat/CouchDB.h:34:19: error: Json has not been declared
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[13:30] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: :S lovely. Can you try running the habitat_extensions/cpp_connector unit tests (cd to cpp_connector, and run make)
[13:31] <Jessica_Lily> Lunar_Lander yeh
[13:31] <fsphil-laptop> DanielRichman, aah you include json/json.h --- changed to jsoncpp/json.h and it's got past that point
[13:31] <Lunar_Lander> ah I see
[13:31] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[13:31] <Jessica_Lily> :)
[13:31] <Jessica_Lily> got tons of chem to catch up on though :(
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[13:31] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[13:31] <Lunar_Lander> I still have to jot down the Theroretical Physics 2 homework
[13:31] <Jessica_Lily> I think i need another coffee :P
[13:31] <Lunar_Lander> on the other hand I want to go to town
[13:32] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: that's odd. Are you using libjsoncpp0 0.5.0?
[13:32] <Lunar_Lander> it's all closed there of course
[13:32] <Lunar_Lander> but just for the fun of it
[13:32] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[13:32] <Jessica_Lily> Lunar_Lander LOL one of my questions was based on star trek
[13:32] <fsphil-laptop> DanielRichman, well the package I just built of it
[13:32] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[13:32] <Jessica_Lily> i was quite amused
[13:32] <fsphil-laptop> there *is* a json/json.h
[13:32] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[13:32] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[13:32] <fsphil-laptop> lemme see who owns that
[13:32] <Jessica_Lily> Lunar_Lander http://cl.ly/052e0D0N3m0f313l1i1A
[13:32] <TimZaman> hi Lunar_Lander hows your launch going
[13:32] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[13:32] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman, quite OK; just trying to get the GPS working
[13:33] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: omg, how long have you been working on that :S
[13:33] <TimZaman> hahaa
[13:33] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: ah okay. Can you install it to json/? I think that's where they're meant to be
[13:33] <fsphil-laptop> DanielRichman, json-c-devel owns json/json.h
[13:33] <Lunar_Lander> Jessica_Lily, we got the university of applied sciences right next to our campus and there is one professor (who is the husband of my old chemistry teacher from high school) and he also made great exams I was told
[13:33] <DanielRichman> brb lunch
[13:33] <Lunar_Lander> one exam was all around an airplane
[13:33] <Jessica_Lily> :P
[13:34] <Lunar_Lander> and the final task was something about a guy being sucked down on the WC
[13:34] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[13:34] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: I just wrote some autoconf stuff properly for ljpeg and ljsoncpp. Will push later (it works :-))
[13:34] <DanielRichman> brb
[13:34] <Lunar_Lander> and got stuck
[13:34] <Jessica_Lily> i had a question about predicting quantum numbers in a different universe if their limits were different
[13:34] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[13:34] <Jessica_Lily> it allowed the m_s quantum number to be -1/2, 0 & +1/2
[13:34] <NigelMoby> tiiiiiim
[13:34] <Lunar_Lander> our friendly quantum numbers n, l, m and s?
[13:34] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[13:34] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[13:34] <Jessica_Lily> and m_l to be 0 -> l instead of -l -> l
[13:34] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[13:34] <Jessica_Lily> it was cool
[13:35] <Jessica_Lily> and yeh those
[13:35] <fsphil-laptop> I liked the idea of quantum theory until I looked closer at it
[13:35] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[13:35] <Jessica_Lily> principal quantum number, azamuthal quantum number (spelt right?), magnetic quantum number & spin quantum number
[13:35] <Jessica_Lily> ^_^
[13:35] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[13:35] <NigelMoby> uncertain of it Phil? :p
[13:36] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[13:36] <NigelMoby> ;)
[13:36] <Jessica_Lily> Lunar_Lander it turned out on this universe magnesium would be the noble gas :P
[13:36] <Jessica_Lily> s/on/in/
[13:36] <fsphil-laptop> mmmm lunch time
[13:36] <NigelMoby> food...mmmm
[13:36] <fsphil-laptop> DanielRichman, looks like openssl is also a new dependency
[13:36] <Jessica_Lily> I don't mind quantum theory
[13:37] <Lunar_Lander> xD cool!
[13:37] <NigelMoby> for Json?
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[13:37] <Jessica_Lily> its better than damn inorganics
[13:37] <fsphil-laptop> for the sha hash
[13:37] <TimZaman> does anyone have experience with crowdfunding
[13:37] <NigelMoby> Ahh
[13:37] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, didn't that used to be called busking?
[13:37] <Jessica_Lily> Lunar_Lander seriously, hybridisation imo is just a hack to make bonding work :P
[13:37] <NigelMoby> lol
[13:38] <Lunar_Lander> xD yea
[13:38] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, there was someone asking for silly amounts of money for a hab launch on some crowd funding site once
[13:38] <fsphil-laptop> can't remember who or where now
[13:38] <Jessica_Lily> brb folks coffee time :P
[13:38] <NigelMoby> white 2 sugars
[13:38] <NigelMoby> pls
[13:38] <NigelMoby> :)
[13:38] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[13:38] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U24-DdxgdJk&feature=related check this out
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[13:39] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: omg nice slideshow :S
[13:39] <fsphil-laptop> I've go into work later. blah
[13:39] <Lunar_Lander> yea the video is demanding
[13:39] <Lunar_Lander> technically
[13:39] <NigelMoby> :o its Sunday
[13:39] <Lunar_Lander> also youtube acted up yesterday
[13:42] <fsphil-laptop> that's some balloon
[13:42] <fsphil-laptop> shame about the music
[13:43] <Laurenceb_> hhaa
[13:44] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[13:44] <fsphil-laptop> some of their other videos are really nice quality
[13:44] <fsphil-laptop> it's a good camera they've got
[13:44] <Lunar_Lander> 42.05 m in radius
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[13:44] <Lunar_Lander> 331485 cubic meters
[13:44] <Lunar_Lander> DAMN
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[13:45] <Jessica_Lily> back
[13:45] <Jessica_Lily> bloody freenode
[13:46] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[13:46] <TimZaman> damn for kickstarter i need an USA backccount
[13:46] <Randomskk> you donm't
[13:46] <Randomskk> don't*
[13:46] <Lunar_Lander> Jessica_Lily, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U24-DdxgdJk&feature=related
[13:46] <Randomskk> TimZaman: any normally accepted amazon debit or credit card is fine
[13:47] <Jessica_Lily> that looks fairly sophisticated
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[13:47] <TimZaman> Randomskk: how would i proceed then?
[13:48] <Lunar_Lander> Jessica_Lily, yeah
[13:48] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[13:48] <Jessica_Lily> what data did it collect?
[13:48] <quail> fsphil: ok just got few warnings to get rid of for dl-fldigi -> http://mentors.debian.net/package/dl-fldigi
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[13:49] <Jessica_Lily> is dl-fidigi in gentoo?
[13:49] <Jessica_Lily> just out of curiosity
[13:49] <Randomskk> TimZaman: dunno. check kickstarter's FAQ, it includes a walkthrough for international backers
[13:49] <fsphil-laptop> don't believe so
[13:49] <quail> Jessica_Lily: don't know
[13:49] <Jessica_Lily> hmm i could just ssh into my gentoo machine xD
[13:49] <Lunar_Lander> Jessica_Lily, it was an assortment of student payloads
[13:49] <fsphil-laptop> they're all ubuntu and osx folk in here
[13:49] <quail> fsphil-laptop: just got few warnings to get rid of for dl-fldigi -> http://mentors.debian.net/package/dl-fldigi
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[13:50] <Jessica_Lily> i know a few gentoo maintainers maybe i should write an ebuild for it
[13:50] <Lunar_Lander> Jessica_Lily, http://laspace.lsu.edu/hasp/Flightinfo-2011.php
[13:51] <TimZaman> Randomskk: not implying anything, but do you know UK people that have started a kickstarter thingy
[13:52] <Jessica_Lily> thats pretty cool
[13:52] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
[13:53] <Upu> afternoon
[13:53] <Lunar_Lander> hello Upu
[13:53] <Jessica_Lily> my feet are cold
[13:53] <Jessica_Lily> sorry to be off topic :P they just are
[13:53] <Jessica_Lily> ima put my fluffy socks on brb
[13:53] <TimZaman> Randomskk: "Be a permanent US resident and at least 18 years of age with a Social Security Number (or EIN), a US bank account, US address, US state-issued ID (drivers license), and major US credit or debit card."
[13:54] <Laurenceb_> or go to Guantanamo
[13:54] <Laurenceb_> Sarah Palin solution to terrorism?
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[13:55] <fsphil-laptop> quail, are the man pages necessary?
[13:55] <quail> fsphil-laptop: iirc dedian does like them
[13:55] <Jessica_Lily> back
[13:56] <fsphil-laptop> there may be ones for fldigi that we haven't renamed
[13:56] <quail> fsphil-laptop: but iirc debian are not so anal over the formatting of them as ubuntu
[13:56] <fsphil-laptop> in saying that:
[13:56] <fsphil-laptop> ./doc/dl-fldigi.1
[13:56] <fsphil-laptop> ./doc/dl-fldigi-shell.1
[13:56] <fsphil-laptop> they should be there
[13:58] <quail> cool, just had to remove the .txt from em
[13:58] <TimZaman> i give $50 to the person that can use his USA kickstarter account to get a project of mine kickstarted
[13:59] <quail> fsphil-laptop: does the flarq man page need to be there?
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[14:04] <Randomskk> TimZaman: seriousy
[14:04] <Randomskk> check the kickstarter faq
[14:04] <Randomskk> you definitely can
[14:04] <Randomskk> I have with my UK stuff
[14:04] <Randomskk> it's really no problem
[14:05] <Randomskk> http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/backing%20a%20project#CanPeopFromOutsTheUsPledToProj
[14:05] <Randomskk> ^
[14:05] <Randomskk> they quite clearly say you can and give instructions on how, it's right on their help page
[14:05] <quail> in about 3 hours arissat-1 will be close to over my qth
[14:06] <Randomskk> TimZaman: unless.. do you mean to run your own project, rather than back?
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[14:06] <quail> this may interest some ya -> http://blog.dale.id.au/archives/1156
[14:06] <Lunar_Lander> yay no more netsplit!
[14:06] <TimZaman> Randomskk: ofcourse i ment my own projecty, i have been looking at the FAQ all day :)
[14:06] <TimZaman> meant
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[14:08] <nosebleedKT> Do i really need the watchdog enabled during the flight? I never put the avr into sleep mode.
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[14:11] <eroomde> you never know what might happen
[14:11] <eroomde> a single event upset could put the program counter into some random bit of uninitialised memory
[14:11] <nosebleedKT> lol
[14:12] <eroomde> and you would be stuck there would it not be for your watchdog to reset
[14:12] <eroomde> incidently that's a good reason why flight code should not be too stateful that it can't work when turned on mid-flight
[14:12] <Laurenceb_> its always a good idea
[14:14] <Laurenceb_> when a resistor and a capacitor love each other very much...
[14:14] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/bN97P.jpg
[14:14] <eroomde> Laurenceb_: have you seen the new mpu6050
[14:15] <Laurenceb_> yes
[14:15] <eroomde> which might or might not be the part number i mean, this is a guess at the sahpe of the word from memory?
[14:15] <Laurenceb_> mpu6000 owns it
[14:15] <Laurenceb_> spi
[14:15] <eroomde> yes indeed
[14:15] <Laurenceb_> but the accel sucks
[14:15] <eroomde> the spi variant even more so
[14:15] <eroomde> what's wrong with it?
[14:15] <Laurenceb_> drift and noise
[14:15] <Laurenceb_> its really poor
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[14:15] <Laurenceb_> freescale have the best accels now
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[14:16] <Laurenceb_> im tempted to use freescale accel+ mpu or something + HMC magno on my next board
[14:16] <Laurenceb_> but the lsm303dlh is still good
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[14:16] <Laurenceb_> i got some awesome interrupt driven i2c code with priorities working on stm32
[14:17] <Laurenceb_> so i2c no longer sucks as much to use
[14:17] <eroomde> cool
[14:17] <eroomde> right I must go
[14:17] <eroomde> not feeling well
[14:17] <Laurenceb_> just 'schedule' an i2c 'job' and give it a priority
[14:17] <Laurenceb_> :S
[14:17] <eroomde> ttfn
[14:18] <Laurenceb_> cya
[14:18] <TimZaman> yesterday i ordered my XBEE-footprint NTX2 module :)
[14:19] <TimZaman> and a NTX2-usb dongle
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[14:23] <fsphil-laptop> quail, we usually always disable flarq
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[14:32] <quail> fsphil-laptop: ok
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[14:39] <DanielRichman> http://pastie.org/private/eocbmjwldqre8sb31fw6ag yeah that's better
[14:40] <DanielRichman> https://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi/commit/08e333678d29a7e8c27466b11b0486238d13d984 fsphil-laptop quail
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[14:42] <DanielRichman> just going to check that they properly detect the absence of jpeg/jsoncpp
[14:45] <quail> cool
[14:47] <DanielRichman> yup, it's all working :-)
[14:47] <quail> ok fixed the man page problem for debian
[14:49] <quail> hehe more errors
[14:49] <quail> W: dl-fldigi: latest-debian-changelog-entry-without-new-version
[14:49] <quail> W: dl-fldigi: manpage-has-bad-whatis-entry usr/share/man/man1/dl-fldigi-shell.1.gz
[14:49] <quail> W: dl-fldigi: manpage-has-errors-from-man usr/share/man/man1/dl-fldigi-shell.1.gz 33: warning [p 1, 4.7i]: can't break line
[14:50] <quail> W: dl-fldigi: manpage-has-bad-whatis-entry usr/share/man/man1/dl-fldigi.1.gz
[14:50] <quail> W: dl-fldigi: manpage-has-errors-from-man usr/share/man/man1/dl-fldigi.1.gz 51: warning [p 1, 8.7i]: cannot adjust line
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[14:55] <DanielRichman> ugh are those things we've introduced or in the vanilla fldigi package too?
[15:00] <quail> maybe, I not altered em
[15:02] <quail> I might go to bed before I fall off of this chair anyways
[15:05] <AndChat-> Gremlins
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[15:09] <fsphil-laptop> hehe, my jsoncpp package seems to be missing the actual library. oops
[15:14] <fsphil-laptop> DanielRichman, yea the install script is renaming json include directory to jsoncpp
[15:14] <fsphil-laptop> guess that's to avoid conflicts with the json-c library
[15:14] <DanielRichman> hmm that's a bit of a pain
[15:14] <fsphil-laptop> very
[15:15] <DanielRichman> maybe I should do that too
[15:15] <fsphil-laptop> is the json-c library on deb/ubu?
[15:15] <DanielRichman> probably
[15:19] <DanielRichman> yeah I think I should do that too or it conflicts with libjson0-dev
[15:19] <DanielRichman> lovely
[15:19] <DanielRichman> I'll update my pacakge and dl-fldigi
[15:20] <fsphil-laptop> yep
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[15:47] <fsphil-laptop> think I've got the jsoncpp package working, building again
[15:47] <fsphil-laptop> I'll pulled in your autoconf changes
[15:48] <DanielRichman> my modified deb is building on launchpad
[15:48] <fsphil-laptop> changed the m4 bit to jsoncpp/
[15:48] <fsphil-laptop> and...
[15:48] <fsphil-laptop> checking for jpeglib.h... yes
[15:48] <fsphil-laptop> checking for jpeg_abort in -ljpeg... yes
[15:48] <fsphil-laptop> checking for libjsoncpp... yes
[15:48] <fsphil-laptop> yay
[15:49] <fsphil-laptop> now, will it build
[15:49] <DanielRichman> oh cool, succesful build ;-)
[15:49] <fsphil-laptop> nope lol
[15:49] <fsphil-laptop> dialogs/confdialog.cxx:2429:102: error: LOG_WARN was not declared in this scope
[15:49] <DanielRichman> (succesfull build of the deb, I mean) will change json/json.h to jsoncpp/json.h in dl-fldigi
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[16:04] <nosebleedKT> Does avrdude have some flag where does not erase EEPROM on reprogramming?
[16:06] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: https://launchpad.net/~danieljonathanrichman/+archive/ppa updated jsoncpp0 deb, https://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi/commit/3d5761994b51b0499817ca7cc907f0fd9c77fab8 updated dl-fldigi. Requires a git submodule update after pulling.
[16:10] <fsphil-laptop> updated, building again
[16:10] <fsphil-laptop> looking better this time
[16:12] <DanielRichman> cool :-)
[16:12] <DanielRichman> did... it work?
[16:12] <fsphil-laptop> ... building still
[16:13] <fsphil-laptop> no
[16:13] <fsphil-laptop> missing -lcrypto
[16:13] <fsphil-laptop> you added openssl as a dependency
[16:14] <fsphil-laptop> will need to add that to configure
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[16:15] <DanielRichman> huh
[16:16] <DanielRichman> oh right, I see; whoops
[16:16] <fsphil-laptop> the sha stuff
[16:16] <DanielRichman> yeah I completely forgot about that
[16:17] <fsphil-laptop> something on ubuntu must be pulling it in for you atnm
[16:17] <fsphil-laptop> atm*
[16:17] <DanielRichman> probably curl
[16:17] <DanielRichman> /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libssl.pc exists. I will use this in configure
[16:17] <fsphil-laptop> yea got that here too
[16:20] <DanielRichman> just configuring to check it works...
[16:24] <DanielRichman> ok so it appears to work...
[16:26] <fsphil-laptop> want me to try the change before you push it?
[16:27] <DanielRichman> I need to add something to FLDIGI_LDADD apparently
[16:27] <DanielRichman> reconfiguring again...
[16:29] <fsphil-laptop> on the plus side you're learning all about autoconf ;)
[16:31] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: https://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi/commit/4b1d4b4dc6ba69d324642e5a8d2c7f05d6b5760f
[16:31] <DanielRichman> yay autoconf yay!
[16:31] <DanielRichman> I think I'm gonna be sick
[16:32] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[16:32] <fsphil-laptop> it's not so bad. well it is, but you become numb to it eventually
[16:32] <fsphil-laptop> right,.. lets see...
[16:33] <fsphil-laptop> configure was happy, found it
[16:33] <fsphil-laptop> building now
[16:36] <fsphil-laptop> yes!
[16:36] <fsphil-laptop> oooh the ui has changed
[16:36] <DanielRichman> hell yeah
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[16:37] <DanielRichman> have a look around ;-)
[16:37] <fsphil-laptop> already there lol
[16:37] <fsphil-laptop> liking this
[16:37] <NigeyS> hrm, fsphil-laptop i still cant get rid of this compile error ya know :(
[16:39] <fsphil-laptop> DanielRichman, autoconfigure doesn't seem to work. won't change to atlas's 50 baud
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[16:40] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: quite a lot of the config docs are broken
[16:40] <fsphil-laptop> what error NigeyS ?
[16:40] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: and have string values rather than integers for baud
[16:40] <DanielRichman> so it won't autoconfigure correctly
[16:40] <DanielRichman> let me go findo ne that isn't
[16:41] <NigeyS> fsphil-laptop, same 1 from 2am ! lol
[16:41] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: A1 should configure properly
[16:42] <NigeyS> swift.c: In function main:
[16:42] <NigeyS> swift.c:58:1: error: expected declaration or statement at end of input
[16:42] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[16:42] <NigeyS> make: *** [swift.o] Error 1
[16:42] <fsphil-laptop> that was the missing } NigeyS
[16:42] <NigeyS> nah that was in rtty.c
[16:42] <fsphil-laptop> that worked DanielRichman
[16:42] <NigeyS> this is swift.c
[16:42] <NigeyS> there's no } or ) or ; missing
[16:43] <fsphil-laptop> you sure?
[16:43] <fsphil-laptop> that's what that error means
[16:43] <fsphil-laptop> is line 58 the end?
[16:43] <NigeyS> how i see it on my screen, is how it is in hadie.c so unless hadie.c doesnt compile either, im 99% sure
[16:43] <NigeyS> yeah its the final }
[16:44] <fsphil-laptop> DanielRichman, it might be better to set the shift as a custom one
[16:44] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: it does that if it's non standard
[16:44] <fsphil-laptop> ah
[16:45] <fsphil-laptop> I normally end up changing it anyway
[16:45] <DanielRichman> https://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi/blob/master/src/dl_fldigi/dl_fldigi.cxx#L959
[16:46] <NigeyS> http://pastebin.com/nRPBrmYD
[16:46] <fsphil-laptop> ah, so you check the shifts that are in the list. that fixes the other bug where it would break if a new standard shift was added
[16:46] <fsphil-laptop> aah you do it for baud rate too
[16:46] <fsphil-laptop> yay
[16:46] <DanielRichman> :D the only problem is the list size is hardcoded :-*(
[16:47] <DanielRichman> NigeyS: why two { brackets?
[16:47] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[16:47] <fsphil-laptop> you're one-sided
[16:47] <DanielRichman> http://pastebin.com/wXN118W9
[16:47] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: so when the list changes the stdshifts and stdbaud count vars have to be updated, but overall it's a good improvement :-)
[16:48] <fsphil-laptop> I tried adding a null as the last item, and loop through until it hit that
[16:48] <fsphil-laptop> but for some reason it always crashed
[16:48] <fsphil-laptop> never looked to much into it
[16:50] <DanielRichman> that's certainly a better way to do it
[16:50] <DanielRichman> hmm I might do that
[16:50] <fsphil-laptop> worth a try
[16:50] <fsphil-laptop> and might be worth pushing upstream, even though they don't use it
[16:51] <DanielRichman> I suppose any solution is gonna involve modifying rtty.cxx anyway (my original reason not to) and that is the least intrusive modification
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[16:51] <fsphil-laptop> gonna try some recorded telemetry
[16:52] <NigeyS> DanielRichman, eh ?
[16:54] <fsphil-laptop> you have two {'s
[16:54] <DanielRichman> see my pastie
[16:55] <NigeyS> k 2 secs
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[16:56] <fsphil-laptop> Checksum GOOD :-)
[16:56] <fsphil-laptop> hah
[16:56] <NigeyS> DanielRichman, thats just changed to a couple of different errors now..lol
[16:56] <TimZaman> hi
[16:56] <NigeyS> hey Tim
[16:57] <TimZaman> fsphil hows things
[16:57] <DanielRichman> fun fun
[16:57] <TimZaman> hi NigeyS
[16:57] <fsphil-laptop> not bad TimZaman, having autoconf fun :)
[16:57] <TimZaman> fsphil sounds kiiiinda geeky :)
[16:57] <fsphil-laptop> it really is lol
[16:58] <TimZaman> does anyone have the Salae Logic Analyzer (SF), it seems pretty awesome
[16:58] <fsphil-laptop> heading out soon to get some grub. curry and boiled rice
[16:58] <fsphil-laptop> mmmm
[16:58] <fsphil-laptop> W: warning: hbtUT Caught runtime_error: Uploader settings were not initialised
[16:59] <fsphil-laptop> ^^ lots of this on the console
[16:59] Action: NigeyS slaps fsphil-laptop with a sponge
[16:59] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, logic analyser would be neat
[16:59] <Randomskk> TimZaman: I have the 8-pin one
[16:59] <Randomskk> it's very nice
[16:59] <NigeyS> told you id need rtx_wait and rtx_string! :p
[16:59] <Randomskk> though if you don't have a DSO I'd get that first
[16:59] <fsphil-laptop> NigeyS, I told you to leave them all :)
[17:00] <TimZaman> Randomskk: DSO is just as expensive
[17:00] <Randomskk> DSO should be more expensive
[17:00] <NigeyS> fsphil, then how would it work if i left them all?
[17:00] <TimZaman> Randomskk: why
[17:00] <Randomskk> but more useful frankly
[17:00] <TimZaman> Randomskk: yeah okay but i dont need the portability
[17:00] <Randomskk> TimZaman: because any DSO really worth buying just costs more than the saleae
[17:00] <Randomskk> what?
[17:00] <Randomskk> oh are you looking at that tiny crap DSO on seeed etc?
[17:00] <Randomskk> I mean a proper scope
[17:00] <TimZaman> hahaha yeah i meant the crap dso from seeed
[17:01] <Randomskk> I have like http://www.flickr.com/photos/randomskk/4876238449/
[17:01] <Randomskk> it's super nice
[17:01] <TimZaman> Randomskk: doesnt fit on my desk
[17:01] <Randomskk> get a bigger desk :P
[17:01] <TimZaman> Randomskk: maybe in two years we get a bigger appartment. eveyrthing is in curverboxes already
[17:01] <Randomskk> the logic analyser is really really useful
[17:01] <TimZaman> Randomskk: can't, my GFs desk is right next to mine
[17:01] <Randomskk> just, a nice scope is even better
[17:01] <fsphil-laptop> NigeyS, don't follow you?
[17:02] <Randomskk> if you can't afford/don't have space for a proper space then the logic analyser is definitely worth getting
[17:02] <Randomskk> they are really neat for debugging a lot of systems
[17:02] <NigeyS> i coulkdnt leave them all out or i wouldnt have the telem function ?
[17:02] <fsphil-laptop> I really want a spectrum analyser. don't need one, just want one :)
[17:02] <TimZaman> Randomskk: yeah but i have 0 experience with logic debugging
[17:02] <Randomskk> TimZaman: you'd get it quickly :P
[17:02] <Randomskk> fsphil-laptop: haha totally. ideally one that goes up to a few ghz
[17:02] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: yeah that's what you get if it's offline and you're trying to upload
[17:02] <Randomskk> and a network analyser builtin would be nice
[17:02] <fsphil-laptop> DanielRichman, well that makes sense
[17:02] <DanielRichman> :D
[17:03] <DanielRichman> ikr. It does... make sense. But I ought to translate the 'cause' of the error to something that the user is gonna understand
[17:03] <fsphil-laptop> but it all seems to be working
[17:03] <TimZaman> Randomskk: do you have http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8938
[17:03] <Randomskk> yes
[17:03] <fsphil-laptop> in saying that it crashed on exit :)
[17:03] <DanielRichman> nooooo.
[17:03] <Randomskk> though I bought a second set of test hooks that is in the same colours as the wiring harness
[17:03] <TimZaman> Randomskk: like it?
[17:03] <Randomskk> because they're more pretty :P
[17:04] <Randomskk> TimZaman: yea, it's really nice.
[17:04] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: pushed the terminating 0 stuff; it works
[17:04] <TimZaman> Randomskk: should i buy it
[17:04] <daveake> TimZaman - I have that too. Love it.
[17:04] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: crash details?
[17:04] <Randomskk> like I said, not as good as a scope for some things, but for other things it's unbeatable
[17:04] <Randomskk> TimZaman: if you can't afford/have space for a proper scope, then yes
[17:04] <Randomskk> and even with a proper scope this serves other purposes that scopes do not
[17:04] <Randomskk> (just in general the scope is more useful)
[17:04] <daveake> Great for sorting out SPI etc., timings and other stuff
[17:04] <fsphil-laptop> DanielRichman, nothing sensible in the stack trace
[17:05] <TimZaman> where to buy
[17:05] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: reproducible?
[17:05] <fsphil-laptop> trying now
[17:06] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[17:06] <fsphil-laptop> trying in gdb
[17:06] <fsphil-laptop> typically works in gdb
[17:06] <DanielRichman> lovely
[17:06] <NigeyS> aha finally, its compiled!
[17:06] <DanielRichman> might need to -g -O0
[17:06] <Randomskk> TimZaman: saleae.com are EU based
[17:06] <Randomskk> iirc
[17:06] <fsphil-laptop> ah no it didnt, just missing the symbols
[17:07] <fsphil-laptop> building with -g
[17:08] <fsphil-laptop> I think
[17:08] <TimZaman> omg if i buy from SF its E120 if i buy from saleae.com its 144
[17:08] <SpeedEvil> http://fatpita.net/?i=10430
[17:08] <Randomskk> TimZaman: +import duty, shipping, etc
[17:09] <BrainDamage> TimZaman: what about shipping? VAT?
[17:09] <fsphil-laptop> lol SpeedEvil
[17:09] <TimZaman> inc shipping inc vat
[17:09] <TimZaman> ex duty. But i rarely have to pay duties.
[17:12] <NigeyS> TimZaman, how many images are you getting from each camera ?
[17:12] <TimZaman> TimZaman: what are we tlaking about
[17:12] <NigeyS> looks like on your video they might jam up ?
[17:12] <TimZaman> yeah they do
[17:12] <TimZaman> 10 images
[17:12] <TimZaman> gravity will help though, ill put them up side down
[17:13] <NigeyS> ahh cool, good work though, it was 4 you were using right ?
[17:13] <TimZaman> have to be careful to keep everything warm, the gel in the polaroid might freeze up
[17:13] <TimZaman> 4 what?
[17:13] <NigeyS> cameras
[17:13] <TimZaman> we talking about the instantfilm right
[17:13] <NigeyS> yeah
[17:13] <TimZaman> 4 cameras? i use 1 polaroidcamera
[17:14] <NigeyS> werent you going to use 4 or was that something else ?
[17:14] <TimZaman> and a few keychain cameras to film what happens inside the thing
[17:14] <TimZaman> Nah 4 schmore
[17:14] <TimZaman> too heavy
[17:14] <TimZaman> in holland >4kg not allowed
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[17:14] <NigeyS> ouch
[17:14] <TimZaman> ill try to make it 1.5kg, the polaroid alone comes in at 600g
[17:14] <NigeyS> blimey
[17:14] <TimZaman> 1.5kg is still light for a big box
[17:15] <NigeyS> true, what balloon you using ?
[17:15] <TimZaman> 1000g hwoyee
[17:15] <TimZaman> trying to aim for 8ms lift
[17:15] <TimZaman> = quick pop
[17:15] <NigeyS> wow thats gonna be a quick trip
[17:15] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: any luck?
[17:15] <TimZaman> lovely innit
[17:15] <fsphil-laptop> no, still saying no stack
[17:16] <fsphil-laptop> even with -g
[17:16] <NigeyS> yup, look forward to it tim :D
[17:16] <TimZaman> well its crowdfunded
[17:16] <TimZaman> so you can buy your image
[17:16] <TimZaman> havent decided for a price though
[17:16] <TimZaman> it's going to give me a few nice laughs thats for sure
[17:16] <NigeyS> haha nice!!
[17:17] <TimZaman> $20 for one polaroid would be right
[17:17] <Lunar_Lander> nah
[17:17] <TimZaman> but i guess people should pay more for science
[17:17] <Lunar_Lander> $2000 makes better profit!
[17:17] <daveake> Any launches during this week? I'll be away in Belgium and I'm wondering whether to take my kit with me :)
[17:17] <TimZaman> haha
[17:17] <TimZaman> daveake: im on for the 24th or 25th i guess
[17:17] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: can you paste the output it does give you?
[17:17] <NigeyS> daveake, possibly picochu-3 on saturday but it wont go anywhere near belgium..lol
[17:18] <fsphil-laptop> DanielRichman, just noticed it didn't pass the -g to gcc. trying again
[17:18] <DanielRichman> i think to debug fldigi properly you might have to disable it's signal catching/stop it catching SIGSEGV
[17:18] <NigeyS> at least i hope not anyway, i want the gps module back at least! lol
[17:18] <daveake> Coming back on Friday
[17:18] <Lunar_Lander> how comes you get around so much?
[17:18] <Lunar_Lander> you have been in Finland recently
[17:18] <daveake> Customers everywhere
[17:18] <daveake> :)
[17:20] <fsphil-laptop> hmm.. quiet tummy. nearly finished debugging
[17:20] <NigeyS> lol
[17:21] <TimZaman> anyone know a good ehhh how the hell you call that
[17:21] <TimZaman> linear actuator or something?
[17:21] <TimZaman> Electric Plunger.
[17:23] <Randomskk> solenoid?
[17:23] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: last time we had this problem it was a race condition that you experienced because you run single core, right?
[17:25] <DanielRichman> oh. Changing to 1 core made no difference for me :-(
[17:25] <fsphil-laptop> not having much luck, won't give me a stack trace at all
[17:25] <fsphil-laptop> can't disable it's own error handler either
[17:26] <DanielRichman> hmm? error handler is on lines 1077,1089 in main.cxx and 209,210
[17:26] <DanielRichman> you should be able to get set_terminate, set_unexpected and both SIGSEGVs and comment those out
[17:27] <fsphil-laptop> I've commented them all but sigusr2 out
[17:27] <TimZaman> what is faster, FedEx International Priority or UPS WOrldwide Expdited?
[17:27] <TimZaman> they both seem quite fast
[17:27] <Randomskk> fedex
[17:27] <Randomskk> well
[17:27] <TimZaman> Sure?
[17:27] <Randomskk> there are two fedexes
[17:27] <Randomskk> intl priorty and something else, intl express?
[17:27] <DanielRichman> and the ones on line 209/10?
[17:27] <TimZaman> Intl Prio, Intl Eco
[17:28] <Randomskk> oh okay
[17:28] <Randomskk> prio is really really fast
[17:28] <TimZaman> will do
[17:28] <Randomskk> faster than ups I believe but frankly it's probably very very little in it
[17:28] <TimZaman> this chatbox is friggin costing me loads of cash
[17:28] <fsphil-laptop> ah missed the 209,210 ones DanielRichman
[17:29] <TimZaman> *Thank you for your order!*
[17:30] <TimZaman> Now lets hope the logic analyzer is indestructible
[17:30] <TimZaman> got 300V from thje polaroids flash that unloded in my fingertip, really lvoely
[17:31] <TimZaman> By the way, those "anti static pads" are those friggin dangerous? Lets say i ground my wrist to the plate, and the camera too. Then, if i touch the capator, it would unload through my finger and my wrist.. right?
[17:31] <fsphil-laptop> yay, hello back trace
[17:32] <Randomskk> TimZaman: yes
[17:32] <Randomskk> which is a damn sight better than through your heart
[17:32] <Randomskk> however be very careful which wrist is earthed :P
[17:32] <Randomskk> also tbh
[17:32] <Randomskk> those things have massive resistors in them
[17:32] <Randomskk> really they are to drain away static charge
[17:33] <TimZaman> OR i could coat myself in non conducting goo
[17:33] <Randomskk> always an option
[17:33] <Randomskk> even when you're not playing with electronics, to be honest
[17:33] <TimZaman> my girlfriend loves it
[17:33] <fsphil-laptop> DanielRichman, http://pastebin.com/6sGbrDBZ -- it's in the json bits
[17:33] <TimZaman> im curious, what are you working on
[17:34] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: oh lovely
[17:34] <fsphil-laptop> new version of dl-fldigi TimZaman
[17:34] <TimZaman> fsphil cool
[17:35] <DanielRichman> that looks like it might be my flight_docs vector
[17:35] <DanielRichman> I have no idea what I did to it to make it unhappy though
[17:36] <fsphil-laptop> it could be a threading issue still? a thread accessing it as it's being destroyed
[17:36] <fsphil-laptop> nah
[17:36] <fsphil-laptop> it's not crashing in a thread
[17:37] <DanielRichman> did you comment out set_unexpected?
[17:37] <fsphil-laptop> yes
[17:37] <DanielRichman> ok. There's a std::terminate in the trace, which I think is what you get if it raises an exception
[17:37] <DanielRichman> so ~Value is raising an exception maybe
[17:38] <fsphil-laptop> brb, food
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[17:40] <DanielRichman> no wait, the __cxa_virtual function above it is apparently what you get if you try to call a pure virtual function that hasn't been filled in
[17:41] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: okay here's an idea. Add flight_docs.clear() to dl_fldigi::cleanup()
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[17:51] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: like this https://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi/commit/601134dca9ef8c7a2f84f5c4acf22fdd5e462dcf
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[17:54] <Lunar_Lander> short question
[17:54] <Lunar_Lander> does dl-fldigi need a Line-in or can it also get data from a microphone port?
[17:54] <Randomskk> either is fine
[17:55] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: any port will do, even vritual
[17:55] <Lunar_Lander> because IIRC, most laptops only have line-out and microphone
[17:55] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[17:55] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[17:55] <TimZaman> DanielRichman: or fsphil-laptop - do either of you guys use subversional profesionally? if yes, which?
[17:55] <Randomskk> what?
[17:56] <Randomskk> I've used subversion profressionally and wouldn't recommend it >_>
[17:56] <Randomskk> professionally* even
[17:56] <Randomskk> bbl anyway
[17:56] <TimZaman> Randomskk: how then
[17:57] <DanielRichman> I don't understand your question completely
[17:57] <DanielRichman> but
[17:57] <DanielRichman> git is better in every way except for boring little things
[17:58] <TimZaman> oh i just mean some kind of subversion, i use subversion in a general way, mercurial, git, etc
[17:58] <DanielRichman> right
[17:58] <TimZaman> so you use git?
[17:58] <DanielRichman> subversion is the name of a piece of software
[17:58] <TimZaman> github?
[17:58] <DanielRichman> the word you're looking for is version control
[17:58] <TimZaman> right
[17:58] <TimZaman> excuse my dutchness
[17:59] <DanielRichman> subversion, mercurial, git, are all version control systems
[17:59] <DanielRichman> this channel is full of git fans
[17:59] <TimZaman> okido
[17:59] <TimZaman> but profesionally?
[18:00] <DanielRichman> github is just a fun website that will host a git repository for you along with pretty commit, file browsing, issues pages
[18:00] <DanielRichman> yes
[18:00] <TimZaman> bitbucket profesinally (closed) is free..
[18:00] <DanielRichman> there are these websites for all vcses; google code, sourceforge, launchpad, bitbucket, github,...
[18:01] <TimZaman> i get it and i know about it, sorry for the word mistake before where i meant subversion=version control system. now, the question, do you use it profesionally, and, which one do you use for closed repositories
[18:01] <DanielRichman> okay so um
[18:01] <DanielRichman> I'm still at school
[18:02] <DanielRichman> So while I can plug git (git is great) and i have used it a little as a closed repo; I haven't really spent enough time doing that to comment
[18:03] <DanielRichman> i.e., I've only used git professionally so don't have anything to compare it to
[18:03] <TimZaman> ok
[18:04] <DanielRichman> but svn is really bad, cvs is old, git is awesome.
[18:05] <DanielRichman> git is good 'cause it's much faster than the others, doesn't require a constant tethering to some central server, has a much nicer way of dealing with branches, doesn't put crap all over your source directory
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[18:08] <Lunar_Lander> hi GW8RAK
[18:09] <GW8RAK_> Hi Lunar_Lander
[18:09] <Lunar_Lander> how is the life?
[18:09] <GW8RAK_> Had a stressful weekend. Some good bits, some really crap bits
[18:10] <GW8RAK_> How is Germany this weekend?
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[18:11] Nick change: GW8RAK_ -> GW8RAK
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[18:12] <Lunar_Lander> it is quite cold but I am OK
[18:12] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:12] <joph> GW8RAK, foggy ;)
[18:13] <GW8RAK> Almost warm this afternoon and much warmer in the South where I was yesterday.
[18:13] <GW8RAK> Are you in Germany joph?
[18:14] <joph> yeah
[18:14] <GW8RAK> Hello from Wales then
[18:15] <joph> hi ;)
[18:15] <Lunar_Lander> hi from lower saxony
[18:16] <Lunar_Lander> :)#
[18:17] <GW8RAK> Is there an upper Saxony?
[18:17] <GW8RAK> :)
[18:17] <Lunar_Lander> xD yeah, it's called "Saxony"
[18:18] <GW8RAK> People always seem to come from Lower Saxony, but never from upper or higher or any other Saxony
[18:18] <GW8RAK> it's been a long time since I went to Germany
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[18:20] <joph> Oo, east germany :D
[18:20] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:20] <Lunar_Lander> there is also Saxony-Anhalt
[18:22] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, I use git at work for some things
[18:22] <GW8RAK> Cooking time I think afk
[18:22] <TimZaman> TimZaman: closed repos?
[18:23] <fsphil-laptop> yea all internal
[18:24] <TimZaman> so paid-for?
[18:24] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[18:25] <fsphil-laptop> it's more a convenience thing for my own projects... the other developer there doesn't like it
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[18:39] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: I had a couple of ideas for the crash (above)
[18:40] <Wil5on> sup europeans
[18:40] <Wil5on> its 5:40am here, i havent been sleepy all night, its not worth trying anymore
[18:41] <fsphil-laptop> DanielRichman, any involve violence?
[18:41] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: nah
[18:41] <fsphil-laptop> Wil5on, hate it when that happens!
[18:41] <Wil5on> i have to help set up a conference at 7
[18:41] <Wil5on> and my day finishes when chinese class finishes, probably after 8pm
[18:42] <Wil5on> so i dont think this is going to go too well
[18:42] <fsphil-laptop> coffee++
[18:42] <Wil5on> conference = free coffee
[18:42] <Wil5on> open source conference tho, so probably not good coffee
[18:42] <fsphil-laptop> it's 'orrible stuff
[18:42] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[18:43] <Wil5on> sometimes its good, depends on the venue
[18:43] <Wil5on> but not this time, university catering
[18:43] <fsphil-laptop> I went to a 'linux expo' in london a few years ago -- I left with an upset tummy
[18:43] <Wil5on> lol
[18:43] <Wil5on> i got cholera twice
[18:43] <fsphil-laptop> eek
[18:43] <Wil5on> not from conferences
[18:43] <fsphil-laptop> ah
[18:44] <fsphil-laptop> I've not been to a big event in years, I'll have to make time for one
[18:44] <fsphil-laptop> maker fair or something
[18:44] <Wil5on> the worst feeling ive gotten from a conference is "i am disappoint", and its quite common
[18:44] <Wil5on> i dont think we have those here
[18:45] <fsphil-laptop> there's one in england sometimes
[18:46] <Wil5on> bloody long flight
[18:46] <fsphil-laptop> not so bad for me :)
[18:46] <fsphil-laptop> but afaik there's no good linux events in the uk
[18:47] <Wil5on> that surprises me
[18:47] <Wil5on> there seem to be a few here
[18:47] <fsphil-laptop> yea I've heard of a few good ones there
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[18:54] <nosebleedKT> i need some english lesson
[18:54] <nosebleedKT> im looking for a word
[18:54] <nosebleedKT> i dont know how to tell
[18:54] <nosebleedKT> permanent
[18:54] <nosebleedKT> opposite is?
[18:54] <fsphil-laptop> temporary
[18:54] <nosebleedKT> ee
[18:54] <nosebleedKT> no
[18:54] <nosebleedKT> something else?
[18:55] <nosebleedKT> i will enable and disable something
[18:55] <Upu> what context ?
[18:55] <nosebleedKT> how is called the time between those to modes?
[18:55] <nosebleedKT> to/two
[18:55] <Upu> latency ?
[18:55] <nosebleedKT> no
[18:55] <Upu> delta ?
[18:55] <nosebleedKT> :(
[18:56] <fsphil-laptop> duration? period?
[18:56] <Upu> write the sentence but put BLANK in where you want the word :)
[18:56] <nosebleedKT> i write
[18:56] <nosebleedKT> Red denotes permanent disabling of the subsystem.
[18:56] <nosebleedKT> Orange denotes ..... disabling of the subsystem.
[18:56] <fsphil-laptop> momentary
[18:57] <fsphil-laptop> temporary would work too though
[18:57] <Upu> yup
[18:57] <nosebleedKT> i have some more nice english word on the tip of my tongue :)
[18:57] <Lunar_Lander> momentary was used in the Apollo Manuals
[18:57] <Lunar_Lander> so that is good
[18:57] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:57] <nosebleedKT> i cant say it though:P
[18:58] <nosebleedKT> ok momentary is my word then
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[18:59] <fsphil-laptop> it's probably not even an english word, we probably stole it from some other language ;)
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[18:59] <jonsowman> hiya jcoxon
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon jonsowman
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> jonsowman, how is Apex III coming along?
[19:01] <jonsowman> that's a question for the apex team :)
[19:01] <jcoxon> hey
[19:02] <jcoxon> hows everyone?
[19:03] <jcoxon> also - horus18 had crazy amounts of listeners
[19:03] <fsphil-laptop> 10 at one point
[19:03] <fsphil-laptop> that's 10 uploading
[19:07] <jcoxon> :-)
[19:09] <Wil5on> 6am, breakfast time
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> jonsowman, I thought you were the apex team!
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon, despite the thing on my back I am good and you?
[19:13] <jonsowman> i'm still a little involved, but I left SGS years ago
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[19:13] <Wil5on> hm, the sun is well and truly up
[19:13] <jonsowman> I'm more involved with CU Spaceflight these days
[19:14] <fsphil-laptop> http://vimeo.com/32001208
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> so the flight plan seems to be set
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> we will fly GPS, barometer, thermometer, OpenLog on the first ascent
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> Janez disagrees with flying the humidity sensor
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> and I have to think about a camera
[19:15] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: give me a shout when you can try a change to stop your crash
[19:16] <fsphil-laptop> now's fine if you want DanielRichman
[19:16] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: either use my latest pushed commit, or just try adding flight_docs.clear(); to dl_fldigi::cleanup()
[19:16] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, are we ready to merge the changes?
[19:17] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: almost. here's my todo list: https://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi/issues
[19:17] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: all the features are done, and they all appear to work
[19:17] <DanielRichman> need some intensive testing
[19:17] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop has managed to build it succesfully
[19:17] <jcoxon> beta?
[19:17] <DanielRichman> yes indeed
[19:17] <jcoxon> is it worth me starting on OSX
[19:17] <jcoxon> ?
[19:17] <DanielRichman> and it builds on ubuntu/debian quite easily. Mac is gonna be fun
[19:17] <DanielRichman> yes sure go for it
[19:17] <jcoxon> maybe tomorrow
[19:18] <jcoxon> will need a run at it
[19:18] <DanielRichman> it's only bugfixes, tidiying up, and tweaks
[19:18] <Lunar_Lander> what do you people think about my plan?
[19:18] <DanielRichman> though you may want to wait for us to merge upstream fldigi first
[19:18] <DanielRichman> it's up to you
[19:18] <jcoxon> i'll wait
[19:18] <fsphil-laptop> there are two GPSThread::cleanup() functions
[19:18] <DanielRichman> if you have a ubuntu machine and you want to play with it then go fo rit
[19:18] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: nah to the function cleanup() in the namespace dl_fldigi (not a method of a class) only
[19:19] Action: jcoxon runs slackware exclusively
[19:19] <jcoxon> :-p
[19:19] <DanielRichman> as done by this commit: https://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi/commit/601134dca9ef8c7a2f84f5c4acf22fdd5e462dcf
[19:19] <fsphil-laptop> yea, just found it
[19:20] <fsphil-laptop> found a neat github trick,, add .patch to the url and it gives a plain patch file
[19:20] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, what sort of timescale are we looking at?
[19:21] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: so the thing that will take longest is merging upstream, packaging, testing
[19:21] <DanielRichman> we totally could do all that and release before christmas
[19:21] <jcoxon> okay
[19:21] <jcoxon> i'll wait for the merge with upstream
[19:21] <jcoxon> then build on OSX
[19:21] <fsphil-laptop> DanielRichman, success
[19:21] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: win
[19:22] <DanielRichman> it's a race (sort of, not a thready race) between the global destruction of my vector and a static variable that the json library uses, the 'Array Allocator' class
[19:22] <DanielRichman> the array allocator class is a subclass of an allocator which has virtual functions;
[19:22] <DanielRichman> when I compile it my gcc seems to want to destroy flight_docs first and then the json stuff, which is all fine
[19:23] <DanielRichman> for you, for whatever reason, the json stuff is deinitialised first, along with the function that tells it how to deallocate ararys
[19:23] <fsphil-laptop> gcc-c++-4.6.1 ?
[19:23] <DanielRichman> it then moves onto destroying flight docs; tries to deallocate an array, realises it has no clue how to do it, and panics
[19:23] <DanielRichman> i've got 4.4.3.
[19:23] <DanielRichman> IDK how it chooses the order to destroy stuff
[19:23] <fsphil-laptop> ah, possibly a new "feature" :)
[19:23] <DanielRichman> I shouldn't rely on one specific order
[19:23] <DanielRichman> it's my bug really; but that's why ^^
[19:24] <DanielRichman> tl;dr global variables bleh
[19:24] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[19:24] <fsphil-laptop> I'll fire up the laptop with F16 on it, see how that builds
[19:25] <fsphil-laptop> it's my eeepc -- which has a bad battery, and I've lost the psu for. I have to run it of a 12v lead-acid battery
[19:25] <fsphil-laptop> not terribly portable anymore
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:26] <DanielRichman> i like it
[19:26] <fsphil-laptop> on the plus side, this battery lasts all day
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[19:35] <fsphil-laptop> building on F16, lets see how far it gets
[19:41] <fsphil-laptop> further than I expected... and still going
[19:41] <fsphil-laptop> I wonder where the errors I saw last time have gone
[19:42] <fsphil-laptop> ah, there they are
[19:46] <fsphil-laptop> short* p = sizes();
[19:46] <fsphil-laptop> sizes returns an int now, so this fails
[19:47] <fsphil-laptop> no simple way to fix that, changing it will break older versions
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[19:48] <fsphil-laptop> except for more autoconf voodoo
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[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> hi Dan-K2VOL
[19:58] <Dan-K2VOL> hi Lunar_Lander
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[19:59] <Dan-K2VOL> oh fine, u?
[20:07] <nosebleedKT> cool, the lithiums AA i got from china some year ago output 1.8v !
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> I'm also good, thanks
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[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> only the GPS issues make me place my head on my hands Dan-K2VOL
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[20:32] <Dan-K2VOL> ahh
[20:32] <Dan-K2VOL> I'm trying to patch a hole in this damn ZP balloon for next weekend's flight
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> I think if I should go and have some more spinach now
[20:33] <Dan-K2VOL> sounds wise
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:35] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: how many fltk1.3 errors are there? I presume >1...
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[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> spinach in microwave
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop, someone says on youtube "The beginning gets played everytimeÿ england plays so its almost there!"
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> in response to "Whyÿ isn't this the English national anthem?"
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[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> and that is on a video to "Bittersweet Symphony"
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> is it true that the beginning of that song is played on british football matches?
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon_
[20:41] <fsphil-laptop> DanielRichman, linker errors mostly
[20:41] <fsphil-laptop> DanielRichman, the int / short int errors are confined to two files
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[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop, do you know the answer to my question?
[20:43] <fsphil-laptop> I don't really understand the question
[20:45] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: ok
[20:46] <staylo> Lunar_Lander: I think it's just occasionally played over footage of match highlights etc
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> ah I see
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop, some guy asked why "Bittersweet Symphony" cannot be the British anthem
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> then the other guy said the sentence with the "when england plays"
[20:47] <fsphil-laptop> because it's not that good :)
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> btw British
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> Vettel had a tire malfunction and Hamilton won the race today
[20:52] <gb73d> good
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GnWRjoP9mQ&feature=related
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[21:53] <nosebleedKT> gnite all
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[22:31] <jcoxon> evening all
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[22:33] <jcoxon> good thanks
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> that is nice to hear
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> what are you up to?
[22:36] <jcoxon> debating whether i can be bothered to build Atlas4
[22:39] <gonzo_> evening
[22:40] <jcoxon> evening gonzo_
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[22:40] <NigeyS> jcoxon, want to send a meganut? i've got 1 built minux the gps..lol
[22:40] <gonzo_> jcoxon: what proc is the telem in the atlas3 based on?
[22:40] <NigeyS> minus*
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[22:41] <jcoxon> gonzo_, not sure i understand proc?
[22:41] <jcoxon> NigeyS, its okay i've got lots of Atlas boards
[22:43] <gonzo_> processor
[22:43] <jcoxon> oh its a atmega328
[22:43] <jcoxon> running an arduino bootloader
[22:44] <natrium42> jcoxon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[22:44] <jcoxon> natrium42!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[22:44] <natrium42> :D
[22:44] <jcoxon> hows you?
[22:44] <natrium42> good, it's my b-day
[22:45] <natrium42> we're going to Y Combinator interview in 1 hour
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[22:45] <natrium42> how are you?
[22:45] <natrium42> are you getting the delorme inreach?
[22:45] <jcoxon> happy birthday
[22:45] <jcoxon> i'm good
[22:46] <natrium42> ty
[22:46] <jcoxon> not sure, will see what the first adopters do with it
[22:46] <jcoxon> what you seeking to startup?
[22:46] <natrium42> it's in the video sharing space
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[22:47] <natrium42> you have already seen the stabilization that we do, but more is coming :)
[22:48] <jcoxon> i see
[22:48] <jcoxon> actually i'm not sure what you mean
[22:48] <jcoxon> stabilization?
[22:49] <natrium42> midnox.com
[22:49] <jcoxon> oh cool
[22:49] <natrium42> yeah, we use the gyroscope to stabilize videos in HD in real time
[22:49] <jcoxon> wow
[22:49] <natrium42> and there are also real-time effects and zooming
[22:49] <jcoxon> thats cool
[22:49] <jcoxon> is that what you've been working on recently
[22:49] <natrium42> yeah
[22:49] <jcoxon> natrium42, spacenear.us got on the BBC on tuesday
[22:49] <natrium42> sorry about the absence :D
[22:50] <natrium42> oh really? what did they say?
[22:50] <jcoxon> they launched a balloon with rob and co
[22:50] <jcoxon> so it showed the dl-fldigi/spacenear.us system
[22:50] <gonzo_> jcoxon: thanks. I'm intersted in what is being used. Trying to talk a group into doing a launch and want to know what dev is req and what is already avail
[22:51] <natrium42> neato
[22:51] <Laurenceb_> jcoxon: on man lab?
[22:51] <Upu> natrium42 I'll get you a link 1 sec
[22:51] <natrium42> that was the helium vs hydrogen chase?
[22:51] <natrium42> Upu: ty
[22:51] <jcoxon> gonzo_, my code is on my home wiki
[22:51] <natrium42> will it work in from the new world?
[22:51] <gonzo_> you have a link?
[22:51] <Upu> natrium42 www2.upuaut.net/james.mays.man.lab.s02e03.hdtv.xvid-ftp.avi
[22:52] <Upu> 6 Go Pros... some good footage
[22:52] <jcoxon> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/missions:atlas:atlas3
[22:52] <russss> yeah I thought it was pretty good, they didn't even claim it was actually space ;)
[22:52] <jcoxon> gonzo_, https://github.com/jamescoxon/Atlas-Flight-Computer/blob/master/Atlas3/Atlas3_3.pde
[22:52] <gonzo_> Thanks, I don't mind tinkering, but really hoping to avoid developing from scratch
[22:53] <natrium42> Upu: cheers, downloading
[22:53] <gonzo_> ah, good. Proper C, not this new fangled CPP !
[22:54] <jcoxon> well its the arduino version
[22:54] <jcoxon> so a little bit simplified
[22:56] <Upu> jcoxon do you run that at 3.3V ?
[22:56] <jcoxon> yup
[22:56] <jcoxon> 8mhz crystal
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[22:57] <TimZaman> oh hi i'm back
[22:57] <Upu> good, I'm not a good programmer and was going to base my next module on Arduino boot loader too
[22:57] <TimZaman> RTTY on arduino wooks like a tit
[22:57] <Upu> why 8Mhz ?
[22:57] <Upu> any reason ?
[22:57] <jcoxon> more suitable for 3.3v
[22:57] <NigeyS> keeps it in spec, 3v3 and 16mhz is slightly out of spec
[22:57] <Upu> ok
[22:57] <TimZaman> y
[22:57] <Upu> I guess I need to read data sheet
[22:58] <NigeyS> hey Tim
[22:58] <TimZaman> 3v3@8MHz is my preference though. But it reallly sucks if you want to drive something like a relay with 3v3
[22:58] <jcoxon> no launch this weekend by the way
[22:58] <TimZaman> jcoxon: how did you feel about ATLAS?
[22:58] <TimZaman> jcoxon: get any data?
[22:58] <jcoxon> no going to rush into another launch
[22:58] <jcoxon> TimZaman, it went very well
[22:58] <jcoxon> some interesting data
[22:58] <jcoxon> not enough float data
[22:58] <TimZaman> jcoxon: yeah i thought so. too bad it fell so quickly
[22:58] <TimZaman> can i see?
[22:59] <TimZaman> it was remarkable that Upu was pretty much on the money in terms of float
[22:59] <jcoxon> some graphs
[22:59] <jcoxon> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/missions:atlas:atlas3
[22:59] <jcoxon> TimZaman, we need to try it again...
[22:59] <Upu> I reckon Ava floated about the same altitude
[23:00] <Upu> I have a theory about 1600g Hwoyees thats entirely not backed up with science :)
[23:00] <TimZaman> jcoxon: do you have an image of the oven?
[23:00] <Upu> however it did technically win me a pint
[23:00] <TimZaman> Upu: i flew those 2x without a proble
[23:00] <TimZaman> you have to keep those above 5m/s
[23:00] <Upu> what ascent rate ?
[23:00] <Upu> exactly
[23:00] <TimZaman> mine were 5m/s and 6m/s respectively
[23:00] <jcoxon> TimZaman, ummm no but i'll take a picture when i put together another one
[23:00] <TimZaman> jcoxons one was 4?
[23:00] <Upu> less
[23:00] <Upu> Ava was 3.8m/s
[23:00] <Upu> and floated
[23:00] <TimZaman> for how long
[23:01] <Upu> not sure but about an hour
[23:01] <Upu> GPS broken
[23:01] <TimZaman> jcoxon: there was a glitch midflight?
[23:01] <jcoxon> TimZaman, on atlas2
[23:02] <TimZaman> jcoxon: ah. Did you use gpsbee?
[23:02] <jcoxon> this time yeah
[23:02] <TimZaman> k
[23:02] <TimZaman> i'm using that too next week
[23:03] <TimZaman> there was something with the ublox gps message?
[23:04] <TimZaman> jcoxon: haha awesome! your radio even has some overshoot, and you can see the internal temperature following right behind the oven
[23:04] <jcoxon> yup
[23:04] <jcoxon> obviously heated the internal sensor as well
[23:06] <TimZaman> jcoxon: did you reset the gps or something? why did you keep checking the gps string?
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[23:07] <jcoxon> yeah i was checking that it was in the right mode
[23:07] <jcoxon> it was a little bit overkill
[23:07] <jcoxon> so next time i'll reduce how often it checks
[23:07] <TimZaman> why would you keep checking? was there ever a problem with that?
[23:08] <jcoxon> i hadn't fully diagnosed the issue that atlas2 had
[23:08] <jcoxon> so i was just being safe
[23:09] <Darkside> jcoxon ublox 6 worked fine btw
[23:09] <TimZaman> jcoxon: i have used the gps bee and that reported till >36km, and i guess i used your code on the ublox stuff
[23:09] <jcoxon> Darkside, great news
[23:14] <Laurenceb_> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp?N=2031+203063&Ntk=gensearch&Ntt=stm32f4&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial
[23:17] <TimZaman> jcoxon: what would you do if the module fails to go into airborne mode
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[23:23] <TimZaman> :(
[23:23] <Lunar_Lander> ja
[23:23] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[23:23] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[23:23] <Lunar_Lander> :(
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[23:43] <fsphil-laptop> yay, I've space to move again
[23:43] <fsphil-laptop> (cleaning up)
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[23:49] <Lunar_Lander> cool
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