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[00:29] <NigeyS> wibbly woo
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[01:44] <jiffe1> anyone know a good antenna to run in a HAB on 144.39? I haven't had much luck with testing what I have, not sure what the problem is
[01:53] <Darkside> jiffe1: dangle a ribbon cable slim jim from under it
[01:53] <Darkside> don't do what i did and try a 1/4 wave ground plane
[01:53] <Darkside> it doesn't scale well
[02:05] <jiffe1> hmm, that looks like a fairly simple antenna
[02:06] <Darkside> a slim jim is quite easy to make
[02:07] <Darkside> http://www.southgatearc.org/techtips/slimjim.htm
[02:09] <jiffe1> radiation pattern sounds mostly horizontal, that going to be ok if its hanging?
[02:10] <Darkside> eh?
[02:10] <BrainDamage> he meant in reality https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Slim_Jim_%28lock_pick%29
[02:10] <Darkside> yeah, just hang it down from the payload, it should be fine
[02:10] <Darkside> jiffe1: 144.39 for RTTY? or for APRS
[02:10] <jiffe1> aprs
[02:11] <Darkside> yeah it should be fine then
[02:11] <Darkside> maybe have a small weight on the end of it or something
[02:11] <Darkside> or some way of making sure it doesn't flap around too much
[02:11] <Darkside> maybe go the other way - run it up the payload line towards the balloon
[02:17] <jiffe1> gotcha
[02:50] <jiffe1> what was wrong with the ground plane btw?
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[03:05] <Darkside> jiffe1: too big
[03:05] <Darkside> it broke on landing
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[05:55] <costyn> morning
[05:56] <Darkside> \o
[05:56] <costyn> some bits of video of Tim's launch yesterday: http://vimeo.com/31751171 mostly Dutch spoken :)
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[07:39] <eroomde> costyn: nice vid
[07:39] <eroomde> thanks
[07:41] <number10> is there a link costyn?
[07:42] <eroomde> http://vimeo.com/31751171
[07:42] <eroomde> ha, i like the antenna reinforcement
[07:42] <eroomde> at about 6:13
[07:44] <number10> ta
[07:58] Nick change: SamSilver -> SamSilver_
[08:09] <costyn> eroomde: thanks
[08:09] <costyn> I had to lend a helping hand here and there so wasn't able to film everything
[08:10] <costyn> photos here btw: http://www.flickr.com/photos/costyn/sets/72157627952350215/
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[08:17] <number10> I like the way its launched in the street and nobody takes any notice - brilliant
[08:19] <costyn> number10: hehe yea it was pretty busy there on campus, but most people just walked by or watched from a distance
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[09:35] <eroomde> anyone used this or similar? http://www.powerportstore.com/WorldPack%20II%20AR.htm
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[09:58] <WillDuckworth> don't forget ManLab on BBC2 at 20:00 tonight.....
[09:58] <daveake> eroomde - Going for the full GhostBusters effect when chasing payloads? ;)
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[09:58] <daveake> WilLDuckworth - recorder set; hoping to get home in time to see it
[09:59] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/4FRGv.jpg
[09:59] Action: Laurenceb_ drools
[10:04] <fsphil> ooh that's tonight
[10:05] <SamSilver_> Laurenceb_: speed controlers?
[10:05] <fsphil> eroomde, good find
[10:05] <Laurenceb_> yes
[10:05] <Laurenceb_> stm32 based
[10:05] <SamSilver_> nice and small
[10:06] <SamSilver_> very7 small
[10:06] <SamSilver_> very small
[10:07] <fsphil> eroomde, no mention of ventilation though
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[10:20] <NigelMoby> Fsphil http://www.projectswift.co.uk/2011/11/08/build-update-1/
[10:20] <NigelMoby> :)
[10:20] <Darkside> hey NigelMoby
[10:21] <NigelMoby> Hey darkside
[10:21] <Darkside> hmm, a few more bits of weirdness i'll have to bug upu about on the board
[10:22] <UpuWork> shot
[10:22] <UpuWork> shoot
[10:22] <Darkside> R10 and C12
[10:22] <NigelMoby> Poor upu lol
[10:22] <UpuWork> nah
[10:22] <Darkside> is that the pulldown for one of the transmitters?
[10:22] <UpuWork> all good
[10:22] <UpuWork> 1 sec let me get schematic up
[10:22] <Darkside> the traces going to that are WAY too long
[10:22] <Darkside> that needs to be as close as possible to whatever its connecting to
[10:23] <Darkside> basically you want to avoid any long traces if you can
[10:23] <UpuWork> R10 is part of a voltage divider for the battery voltage monitor
[10:23] <Darkside> then youreally want both resistors of that voltage divider right next to each other
[10:24] <UpuWork> yeah C12 is part of that circuit too
[10:24] <UpuWork> ok noted
[10:24] <NigelMoby> Ooh its that vsense again!
[10:24] <Darkside> just try and move any long traces
[10:24] <Darkside> it may mean soldering the thing up will be harder
[10:24] <Darkside> but it means it'll be more reliable in the long run
[10:24] <UpuWork> rgr noted
[10:25] <UpuWork> at work at moment so will look at these this evening
[10:25] <Darkside> ok
[10:25] <Darkside> i should try and get up earlier in the mornings :P
[10:25] <Darkside> currently i wake up around 11pm your time
[10:26] <NigelMoby> :o dam lazy ass :p
[10:26] <Darkside> 8:30am
[10:26] <Darkside> i don't need to be at uni until 10am, if i even go in at all
[10:26] <NigelMoby> True
[10:27] <NigelMoby> +10 hours there?
[10:27] <Darkside> i probably should tomorrow though, i need a 7.whatever MHz crystal for this mininut board
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[10:27] <Darkside> +10.5 atm
[10:27] <NigelMoby> Oh yeah the weird .5 too!
[10:29] <fsphil> 7.3728
[10:29] <NigelMoby> Got a mini flight planned soon dude?
[10:29] <fsphil> it's bad that I remember that now
[10:29] <NigelMoby> Phil u crystal geek lol
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[10:29] <fsphil> ack. I meant to bring some into the office to post to you NigelMoby
[10:30] <Darkside> NigelMoby: well we may be flying this weekend
[10:30] <NigelMoby> Ahh its cool no rush, other stuff prolly won't turn up till Saturday
[10:30] <Darkside> video payload
[10:30] <Darkside> so i'm going to dump a few other payloads on there too
[10:30] <Darkside> proper NEO-6Q test
[10:30] <NigelMoby> Yey, gopros?
[10:31] <Darkside> yeah
[10:31] <NigelMoby> Schweet, no floating now! Lol
[10:31] <Darkside> heh
[10:32] <Darkside> i've been working on other stuff recently tho
[10:32] <Darkside> needed to do some pcb design for uni
[10:32] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/38voG.jpg
[10:32] <NigelMoby> Oo sdr
[10:32] <Darkside> that pcb is going to be a pain in the ass to solder
[10:33] <Darkside> QFN with a pad on the bottom
[10:33] <NigelMoby> Hah bugger that!
[10:34] <Darkside> prolly gonna need to reflow
[10:34] <NigelMoby> Whats that huge line that goes from edge to edge?
[10:34] <Darkside> top to bottom?
[10:34] <NigelMoby> Yup
[10:34] <Darkside> ground plane split
[10:34] <NigelMoby> Ooh
[10:34] <Darkside> separate ground for the RF side of it, connected to the main ground by rf chokes
[10:35] <NigelMoby> Got ya. 0605 aswell?
[10:36] <Darkside> some 0603, some 0805
[10:36] <Darkside> its cheaper to get some caps in 0805
[10:37] <NigelMoby> Ahh. Happy reflowing :p
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[11:08] <NigelMoby> The UK Space Agency has approved the design of UKube-1, the UK's first CubeSat mission.
[11:08] <NigelMoby> Nicey
[11:09] <Darkside> oh man what
[11:09] <x-f> that's the FUNcube?
[11:09] <Darkside> thats the one my bloody PCB is in
[11:09] <Darkside> and funcube too
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[11:10] <Darkside> but screw funcube - it has a PCB i designed in it! :D
[11:10] <NigelMoby> Lol Yup it mentions topcat and funcube to
[11:10] <Darkside> woot!
[11:10] <Darkside> NigelMoby: link to teh source?
[11:11] <NigelMoby> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/08/ukube_1_design_approved/
[11:11] <Darkside> bah
[11:11] <Darkside> register..
[11:11] <NigelMoby> Lol theres a link in the article aswell.
[11:12] <Darkside> herp, the topcat payload description there is crap :P
[11:12] <Darkside> http://www.bis.gov.uk/assets/bispartners/ukspaceagency/docs/space%20science/cubesats/topcat%20text%20and%20picture.pdf
[11:12] <Darkside> that one
[11:12] <Darkside> hahahahaha completed by June 2011
[11:12] <Darkside> thats when i got called up to work on it
[11:13] <NigelMoby> Lol was gonna say that's cack cause u were here in august!
[11:13] <Darkside> :D
[11:15] <NigelMoby> That russian launcher is reliable I hope!
[11:15] <Darkside> its had one crash
[11:15] <NigelMoby> Eep
[11:15] <Darkside> only one
[11:15] <Darkside> lots of successes
[11:16] <NigelMoby> That's ok then :D
[11:17] <NigelMoby> Do u get to go to the launch?
[11:17] <Darkside> i bloody hope so
[11:17] <Darkside> hmm late 2012...
[11:17] <NigelMoby> Lucky git :)
[11:17] <Darkside> dunno if i'll be in the UK then :(
[11:17] <Darkside> hopefully they'll have funding to get me there
[11:18] <NigelMoby> Hope so, prolly b summer time again?
[11:18] <Darkside> yeah
[11:19] <NigelMoby> No buggering off with Hab records this time lol
[11:19] <x-f> Dnepr rocket launch - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB-vtc-d0Cg
[11:19] <Darkside> yerp
[11:19] <NigelMoby> Oo cheers x-f
[11:19] <Darkside> the main engine doesn't start until its out of the tube
[11:20] <NigelMoby> Oh its silo launched?
[11:20] <Darkside> yeah
[11:21] <Darkside> there some kind of charge at the bottom of the silo that propells it out of the silo, before the engines ignite
[11:21] <NigelMoby> Neat, I take it its a nodded icbm?
[11:21] <Darkside> yep
[11:21] <Darkside> check out the video
[11:21] <Darkside> you can see the engines aren'y started until it gets above the launch tube
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[11:21] <NigelMoby> Yeah kicks in a few secs after, that's cool!!
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[11:32] <GW8RAK> Does anyone know what the puff of orange smoke is just as the main engine starts?
[11:32] <GW8RAK> From about 1/3 down from top
[11:32] <Darkside> dunno..
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[12:08] <rjharrison_> Hi all
[12:08] <rjharrison_> Sorry for being a bit quet but life has been hectic
[12:08] <Dutch-Mill> Hi
[12:09] <rjharrison_> FYI HAB will be featuring on James May's Man Lab tonight on BBC2 @ 8PM GMT
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[12:11] <Darkside> cool!
[12:11] <Darkside> will have to dowload it
[12:19] <fsphil> ah, I missed the last episode
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[12:28] <number10> there is even a dnepr user guid http://snebulos.mit.edu/projects/reference/launch_vehicles/DNEPR/Dnepr_User_Guide.pdf
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[14:24] <NigeyS> afternoon Dan
[14:28] <Dan-K2VOL> hi Nigey
[14:28] <Dan-K2VOL> how's it going up there
[14:33] <fsphil> you had much/any snow there Dan-K2VOL?
[14:35] Action: SpeedEvil does not want any f**kng snow this year.
[14:35] <number10> lol#
[14:35] <SpeedEvil> I did plenty of forking snow to last me several years.
[14:35] <NigeyS> Dan-K2VOL, all good dude, you ?
[14:35] <NigeyS> SpeedEvil, you looooooooove snow :p
[14:36] <SpeedEvil> NigeyS: In principle,, yes, it's pretty. Not so much when I have to go out several days in a erow, and clean the stuff off my poly-tunnel.
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[14:36] <NigeyS> lol no fun
[14:37] <fsphil> I do like snow, but this is my first winter driving :)
[14:37] <fsphil> I may change my opinion soon :)
[14:37] <NigeyS> oh dear
[14:37] <fsphil> well not that soon -- it's oddly warm for November
[14:37] <number10> when it snows - drive to an empty car park and practice
[14:37] <fsphil> good idea
[14:38] <NigeyS> remember the most important thing
[14:38] <SpeedEvil> Make sure you know the area, and the car-park is not in fact a frozen lake.
[14:38] <NigeyS> a bucket of salt, and a shovel
[14:38] <number10> you will see how your car (and you) handle it - and it wont be such a suprise
[14:38] <number10> when you spin it 360 ;)
[14:40] <NigeyS> handbreak turns on ice.. wooooo
[14:47] Action: fsphil emails DM again
[14:47] <fsphil> (and no, that's not Danger Mouse)
[14:48] <Dan-K2VOL> ha they used to show that over here too, good cartoon
[14:48] <NigeyS> danger danger danger mouuuuuuuuuuuse.dum dum dum
[14:48] <fsphil> it was!
[14:49] <NigeyS> who remembers the moomins? :|
[14:50] <number10> moomins?? what was that
[14:50] <fsphil> vaguely
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> number10: high-altitude related kiddies program.
[14:50] <NigeyS> :o omg .. moomins .. button moon .. you not remember? :o
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> I sort-of-vaguely remember.
[14:50] <number10> before my time probably ;)
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> but am too young.
[14:51] <NigeyS> lol SpeedEvil it was indeed high altitude!
[14:51] <NigeyS> number10, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f20BLJGHNXY
[14:52] <number10> will I have the IT police after me for clicking that
[14:52] <NigeyS> no, its work safe
[14:53] <fsphil> the moomins where pretty violent ;)
[14:53] <number10> but they may wonder why I am viewing it - gonna loose some cred heree
[14:53] <NigeyS> lol
[14:58] <NigeyS> hm when is that new mars rover launching ?
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[15:00] <fsphil> end of this month I think
[15:00] <NigeyS> yey
[15:00] <fsphil> I will be very impressed if that thing lands safely
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[15:01] <NigeyS> it'll be a miracle if it does tbh
[15:01] <fsphil> So hope it does - it's an amazing machine
[15:01] <x-f> there's Russia's Phobos-Grunt launch today around 19:00 UTC
[15:02] <x-f> (also heading to Mars)
[15:02] <NigeyS> oo
[15:02] <fsphil> oh they're going for phobos again
[15:06] <Laurenceb> i have a phobia of that
[15:08] <x-f> good they didn't chose Deimos then :>
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[15:27] <Laurenceb> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15267
[15:27] <Laurenceb> that looks legit
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[16:04] <Dan-K2VOL1> initial bits from the satmodem decompile are good, love how nicely java android apps decompile to nice code
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[16:30] <fsphil> sign of an inefficient compiler Dan-K2VOL1 ;)
[16:33] <fsphil> what's the code you're looking at?
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[16:45] <nosebleedKT> hi all
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[17:12] <Dan-K2VOL1> hi
[17:19] <NigelMoby> Moo
[17:21] <fsphil> meowruff
[17:21] <fsphil> (confused goat)
[17:24] <NigelMoby> Lol
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[17:30] <earthshine> Evening
[17:32] <NigelMoby> Evening mike.
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[17:55] <fsphil> I iz homes
[17:55] <fsphil> yay
[17:56] <LazyLeopard> So, we all going to live-chat "man lab" tonight? ;)
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[18:09] <SamSilver> no "man lad" here :(
[18:09] <SamSilver> lab
[18:10] <SamSilver> dsylexie ruels
[18:10] Nick change: SamSilver -> SamSilver_
[18:12] <Upu> don't worry I'll make it "availble"
[18:16] <NigeyS> woof
[18:16] <NigeyS> hey upuuuuuuuu
[18:19] <SamSilver_> thanx
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[18:24] <number10> RocketBoy must have gone to warm up the telly
[18:36] <fsphil> lol
[18:36] <NigeyS> WASHINGTON -- NASA plans to add an unmanned flight test of the Orion spacecraft in early 2014 to its contract with Lockheed Martin Space Systems for the multi-purpose crew vehicle's design, development, test and evaluation.
[18:36] <NigeyS> oooooo
[18:36] Action: SpeedEvil sighs.
[18:36] <SpeedEvil> Would be cool if it was the proper Orion.
[18:36] <NigeyS> heh yup, would be nice!
[18:38] Action: SpeedEvil wonders when the last spacex launches are.
[18:38] <SpeedEvil> this year.
[18:38] <SpeedEvil> Tehy've got both NASA COTS missions still listed as 2011 on their site.
[18:39] <NigeyS> wasn't 1 penciled in for December ?
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[19:08] <number10> *number10 hides
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[19:46] <GW8RAK> Novelty balloon http://pinterest.com/pin/470152157/
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[19:59] <WillDuckworth> nearly time for manlab now
[20:01] <fsphil> muhaha
[20:01] Action: fsphil gets the popcorn
[20:01] <WillDuckworth> hee hee
[20:01] <priyesh> it's on
[20:01] <priyesh> http://www.bbc.co.uk/emp/simulcast/pop.shtml?epid=bbc_two_england
[20:01] <priyesh> not sure if that will work for those outside of the UK
[20:01] Action: fsphil is watching in funky half-HD :)
[20:02] <WillDuckworth> first thing by the looks of it :)
[20:02] <fsphil> yea
[20:03] <GW8RAK> tuned in and watching
[20:07] <stilldavid> everyone see this, I assume? http://vimeo.com/31723245
[20:07] <WillDuckworth> rjharrison in full flow
[20:08] <fsphil> who stole my parachute
[20:08] <WillDuckworth> lol
[20:09] <fsphil> mr.randall
[20:09] <WillDuckworth> almost a smile
[20:10] <fsphil> pink tape
[20:11] <WillDuckworth> fldigi on the craptop
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[20:11] <WillDuckworth> awesome
[20:11] <fsphil> yay!
[20:12] <fsphil> typically the old version that didn't have my mode selector :)
[20:14] <DanielRichman> fsphil: shot in the dark; do you have any idea how well pthread_cancel works on w32?
[20:14] <fsphil> no idea
[20:15] <DanielRichman> kay
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[20:16] <fsphil> those balloons kept pretty near eachother for a while
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[20:16] <TimZaman> what is the name of the audio out connector on my Kenwood TH7F
[20:16] <TimZaman> i have no idea
[20:17] <TimZaman> it looks like 2.5mm or something
[20:17] <fsphil> sure that isn't the PTT control?
[20:18] <WillDuckworth> yeah - small, i've got that radio
[20:18] <WillDuckworth> need something like http://www.maplin.co.uk/search?criteria=2.5mm+Plug+to+3.5mm+Socket+Adaptor
[20:18] <TimZaman> you have the same one?
[20:18] <TimZaman> so is it actually 2.5 mono?
[20:18] <WillDuckworth> yep, and yes
[20:19] <TimZaman> cool.
[20:19] <TimZaman> the audio out is just regular 3.5 right
[20:20] <WillDuckworth> with that adapter
[20:20] <WillDuckworth> straight to laptop mic
[20:20] <TimZaman> thanks a million
[20:20] <fsphil> it's a pretty standard setup
[20:20] <fsphil> the 2.5mm one does control the ptt, it's also mic
[20:21] <WillDuckworth> nice little radio
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[20:22] <fsphil> there's a circuit in the vx-7r manual for how to link it to a computer
[20:23] <fsphil> I suspect it would be the same for any handheld
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[20:24] <TimZaman> fsphil: dont want to link it i guess
[20:24] <TimZaman> no need
[20:24] <TimZaman> fsphil: did you see my presentation?
[20:24] <WillDuckworth> TimZaman - do you mind if i pinch your rtty arduino library and expand it?
[20:26] <fsphil> http://i.imgur.com/Unsv3.png
[20:26] <fsphil> TimZaman, not yet
[20:26] <fsphil> will wait for the separated videos
[20:30] <TimZaman> WillDuckworth: do whatever you like
[20:30] <TimZaman> its all CC
[20:30] <WillDuckworth> cheers
[20:30] <TimZaman> except my girlfriend ofcourse
[20:30] <TimZaman> try to copyright that one
[20:30] <WillDuckworth> hha
[20:31] <fsphil> not on piratebay?
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[20:33] <daveake> Evening HabLab :)
[20:34] <WillDuckworth> hey - have you seen the first part?
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[20:34] <daveake> Got in too late, but fortunately the HD digital recorder did its job :)
[20:35] <WillDuckworth> next part soon i think
[20:35] <daveake> I'll fast forward when the first part finishes
[20:36] <daveake> "They've got twice as much lift" .... erm
[20:36] <fsphil> mmmm lemon
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[20:36] <daveake> Someone needs to do some maths
[20:37] <SpeedEvil> Maths? On TV?
[20:37] <SpeedEvil> That only happens on Countdown.
[20:42] <priyesh> very good footage of pop
[20:42] <priyesh> :)
[20:42] <WillDuckworth> excellent slowmo
[20:43] <daveake> I'll see that later :)
[20:43] <fsphil> oh wow
[20:43] <fsphil> good capture of the material falling away
[20:44] <Upu> not watched it yet
[20:44] <LazyLeopard> Those slow motion shots of the balloons bursting were cool!
[20:44] <danielsaul> We need another gopro
[20:45] <danielsaul> Oops wrong channel
[20:46] <WillDuckworth> nice parachute fsphil
[20:47] <daveake> Just seen the first segment. Excellent. Nice to see them devote a reasonable amount of time to it.
[20:47] <fsphil> I was wondering if there where going to mention the pylons
[20:49] <fsphil> moar pink tape!
[20:49] <Upu> pink tape ? :)
[20:49] <Upu> wonder where they got that from
[20:49] <fsphil> lol
[20:49] <WillDuckworth> :)
[20:50] <fsphil> even the cat has some
[20:50] <Upu> can you see the warning sign on the hydrogen balloon ?
[20:50] <fsphil> it was visible when they launched it
[20:51] <WillDuckworth> i see you hid from the camera Upu
[20:51] <Upu> well I was about but mainly in the back grounf
[20:51] <fsphil> very good
[20:51] <Upu> I'll go watch it shortly
[20:51] <fsphil> some fantastic video
[20:52] <WillDuckworth> was excellent
[20:52] <fsphil> need a second gopro :)
[20:52] <fsphil> the view of the burst was amazing
[20:52] <daveake> More HAB goodies in the post today .... 3G mag antenna for the chase car
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[20:53] <daveake> The expenditure continues lol
[20:53] <fsphil> hope it's better than mine
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[20:53] <fsphil> mine actually makes the signal worse
[20:54] <daveake> Whoops. Hope this doesn't. It is quite large though
[20:54] <fsphil> More a problem of the dongle I think -- it's gotten worse each time I use it
[20:54] <fsphil> yesterday it only connected for a few minutes before failing
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[20:55] <daveake> Not good. I have a Huawei T-Mobile thing with an antenna socket
[20:55] <fsphil> same, only O2
[20:55] <daveake> Also have a 3G-Wifi access point so it can be shared amongst the in-car devices
[20:56] <Upu> ok off to watch it
[20:56] <number10> for a december launch you may need to buy more stuff daveake: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Draper-48219-1-5-Million-Candle-Rechargeable/dp/B001CLRUJ0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1320785722&sr=8-3
[20:57] <fsphil> don't mention december launch
[20:57] <number10> sorry
[20:57] <fsphil> cause I'll probably be launching in the snow :)
[20:58] <daveake> fsphil - I wouldn't worry. By the time you get your NOTAM we'll have had a few more years of global warming.
[20:58] <fsphil> haha
[20:59] <fsphil> I emailed him again today, going to phone on Thursday if no response
[21:00] <WillDuckworth> ttfn
[21:00] <daveake> I think he was out till today ... I got an autoresponse from my application last week
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[21:00] <fsphil> ah
[21:01] <daveake> Yeah ... "I am out of the office until the morning of Tuesday 8 November."
[21:02] <fsphil> bet he loved coming back to my email :)
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[21:02] <daveake> lol
[21:03] <daveake> He's probably got your address blocked
[21:03] <fsphil> haha
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[21:03] <fsphil> I'm gutted at not launching on monday
[21:03] <fsphil> there probably won't be another day like that when I do get the notam
[21:03] <daveake> Was that when the prediction had ti landing at the launch site?
[21:04] <fsphil> about 5km away
[21:04] <fsphil> I'd have seen it landing from the launch site
[21:04] <daveake> :)
[21:06] <gb73d> http://events.slooh.com/
[21:06] <gb73d> live bc of asteroid obs via scope in canaries
[21:06] <fsphil> cool!
[21:12] <daveake> Woah, love the slo-mo burst :)
[21:12] <Dutch-Mill> Hi take a look a this site... a HAB meets a airliner....http://www.stratos-sphere.com/videos/b2-airline/
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[21:13] <fsphil> burst video was amazing
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[21:15] <daveake> Dutch-Mill - Wow - that's much closer than the one I videod
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[21:17] <daveake> Wow - didn't realise the pylon wires actually got hit!
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[21:17] <fsphil> haha
[21:18] <NigeyS> hmm that video .. looks alot higher than 10km
[21:23] <rjharrison> Hey
[21:23] <NigeyS> hey Rob
[21:23] <NigeyS> nice jump btw..lol
[21:24] <rjharrison> Yep need a diet and acting lessons
[21:24] <NigeyS> lol
[21:27] <fsphil> it turned out well
[21:27] <rjharrison> Yep not too bad
[21:28] <rjharrison> Bit too much emphisis on pylons
[21:28] <hibby> Dan-K2VOL1: Zuph: papa johns is too damn expensive in this country
[21:28] <hibby> tell them to fix it for me
[21:29] <NigeyS> rjharrison, no sparks though, thats always a good thing ;)
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[21:31] <daveake> :D
[21:32] <Upu> really good footage that
[21:32] <number10> rob did you get to see the gopro footage before now
[21:32] <Upu> nice to have it confirmed it was the parachute that clonked the HV cables
[21:32] <Upu> evening Rob
[21:33] <Upu> I was actually on it
[21:33] <Upu> but bonus points if you saw me
[21:34] <fsphil> launch camera pointing down?
[21:34] <Upu> no
[21:34] <number10> i didnt see you upu, going to have to play slow mo - I saw your hand in the back of a car with PC I think
[21:34] <daveake> Upu - might need to play it again to notice :)
[21:34] <Upu> when Dr Ben sticks his head in the car saying we've won I'm in the back ground getting into the other car
[21:34] <daveake> ah
[21:34] <daveake> Reluctant star
[21:34] <fsphil> yea was that you operating the PC in the back seat?
[21:35] <Upu> Nah Steve Randall
[21:35] <rjharrison> number10 yes
[21:35] <Upu> I was in another car
[21:35] <Upu> hey rjharrison looked good :)
[21:36] <Upu> yeah the wife commented on your jump :)
[21:36] <rjharrison> Upu hehe it was ok
[21:36] <Upu> lovely footage though
[21:36] <daveake> lovely plumage
[21:37] <number10> so, have manlabs donated the gopros?
[21:37] <rjharrison> Diet needed
[21:37] <daveake> Very nice bursts, epecially the first one
[21:37] <Upu> hell no they took them back
[21:37] <rjharrison> number10 no
[21:37] <Upu> they cut it all together nicely anyway
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[21:40] <Upu> http://www.stratos-sphere.com/videos/b2-airline/ <- that is far too close for comfort
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[21:44] <SpeedEvil> Assuming it's moving at .8 mach - it takes around 2.5s to cross the FOV.
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> Assuming that's 60 degrees, that's about 1/2.5 radians/s.
[21:45] Action: SpeedEvil forgot where this was going.
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> Ah!
[21:46] <SpeedEvil> About 750m away.
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[21:49] <number10> SamSilver_ if you wanted to see the program its here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0178k6x/James_Mays_Man_Lab_Series_2_Episode_3/
[21:50] <fsphil> won't work in every country though
[21:51] <number10> didnt know that - cheesr fsphil
[21:51] <fsphil> a copy will be made available :)
[21:51] <jonsowman> get_iplayer
[21:51] <fsphil> indeedy
[21:52] <Upu> there will be a copy by tommorrow morning
[21:52] <number10> signed?
[21:52] <Upu> not quite
[21:52] <jonsowman> lol
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[21:55] <Upu> http://imagebin.org/183216
[21:55] <Upu> note the dude in the back ground
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[21:57] <daveake> looking cool
[21:57] <fsphil> aliens!!!
[21:58] <daveake> lol
[21:58] <Upu> lol
[21:58] <daveake> Upu did you have to join Equity for that appearance? ;)
[21:58] <Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/08/ukube_1_design_approved/
[21:58] <Laurenceb_> why does it need to be approved?
[21:58] <Upu> I had to sign a release form :)
[21:58] <daveake> close enough :)
[21:59] <fsphil> no mention in the credits for anyone
[21:59] <Upu> nah
[21:59] <Laurenceb_> topcat and funcube
[21:59] <eroomde> Upu: that's my forehead at 26s
[21:59] <eroomde> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWATd0LRA_4
[22:00] <eroomde> also had to sign a release form
[22:00] <number10> thats scary Upu... you dont look that bad in real life
[22:00] <eroomde> if the photons come from you to their CCD, they go mental
[22:00] <jonsowman> nice eroomde
[22:00] <Upu> lol
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[22:05] <jcoxon> evening all
[22:05] <jcoxon> here is a question
[22:05] <jcoxon> how temp sensative is the internal resonator on a atmega328
[22:06] <Dan-K2VOL1> very jcoxon
[22:06] <Dan-K2VOL1> but I don't know quantifiably
[22:06] <BrainDamage> it's an RC oscillator
[22:06] <Darkside> jcoxon: haven't tested a 328p, but i have tested a xmega's 32MHz RC oscillator
[22:06] <BrainDamage> it means shit stability regardless of temp
[22:06] <Darkside> when it got to -50 degrees it was resonating at 33MHz
[22:07] <jcoxon> i've been testing in my freezer
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[22:07] <jcoxon> which is about -8
[22:08] <jcoxon> and the problem i'm noticing is that its struggling to communicate with the GPS
[22:09] <Darkside> yep
[22:09] <jcoxon> when the temperature gets to about 0 deg it stops chatting
[22:09] <Darkside> the baud rate will drift
[22:09] <jcoxon> i know the gps is outputting
[22:09] <jcoxon> so a crystal would be a lot better
[22:09] <Darkside> yes
[22:10] <eroomde> tcxo
[22:10] <eroomde> bit more £ but worth it
[22:10] <jcoxon> hehe the radio is tc
[22:10] <jcoxon> :-)
[22:10] <Darkside> jcoxon: say the RC oscillator drifts by 3% - that means the 328p will be listening at 9312 baud instead of 9600 baug
[22:10] <eroomde> you really just need one xtal for the entire system
[22:12] Action: jcoxon needs to add a crystal asap
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[22:16] <gb73d> test
[22:17] <fsphil> pass
[22:17] <fsphil> A+
[22:17] <hibby> This was a triumph.
[22:17] Action: fsphil makes a note
[22:17] <fsphil> *scribbles* huge success
[22:18] <hibby> It's hard to overstate my satisfaction
[22:18] <hibby> Man, I actually said to a group of students today that "QPSK gets me foaming at the gash"
[22:19] <fsphil> that's bad
[22:20] <hibby> reckon?
[22:20] <hibby> it does excite me more than, say, ASK
[22:21] <fsphil> I wrote a QPSK modulator a while back, but didn't have a demodulator. It worked -- maybe.
[22:22] <hibby> lol
[22:22] <hibby> 1 in 4 chance of a decent bit error rate?
[22:22] <fsphil> made a nice noise, which was good enough for me
[22:23] <hibby> We're at that stage in the year where we're discussing spectral efficiency and sacrifices made for improved efficiency
[22:24] <fsphil> All that stuff is fascinating, but I fail at the maths
[22:24] <hibby> i've got a series on pdfs about calculating probability of error and so on if you want it
[22:25] <fsphil> worth a look!
[22:25] <fsphil> I probably won't understand it
[22:25] <hibby> sadly it doesn't directly explain the maths, but it builds it up over the course
[22:26] <fsphil> I got a book on it once, but I was only able to pick out bits of it
[22:26] <hibby> the course is on info transmission and security
[22:26] <hibby> i'll collect them bits in the office tomorrow
[22:26] <fsphil> seems there is no foundation level books on digital communications
[22:27] <jcoxon> hmm
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[22:30] <hibby> I'll fire you our stuff. It assumes there is the prerequisite knowledge, but ham radio should cover the basics
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[22:30] <fsphil> ooh ta
[22:30] <fsphil> I've a rough idea of most of it
[22:30] <fsphil> but only rough
[22:31] <fsphil> and by most of it, I mean probably a narrow subset of it :)
[22:31] <hibby> lol
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[22:46] <jcoxon> hmmm no 8mhz crystals in the box
[22:46] <jcoxon> will get some tomorrow
[22:49] <Upu> still on for Friday ?
[22:51] <jcoxon> Upu,if i get this crystal and it starts working nicely in the freezer then yes!
[22:51] <Upu> I have a 16Mhz its a bit salt water damage but yours if you want it :)
[22:51] <jcoxon> good flight path
[22:52] <jcoxon> i've got a 16
[22:52] <jcoxon> but it wont play nice with 3.3v
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[23:08] <jcoxon> hehe gf will go to maplins tomorrow to purchase some 8mhz crystals
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[23:13] <jcoxon> when a crystal is rated at 20pF is that the value of the caps you need to add?
[23:20] <Randomskk> yes
[23:20] <Randomskk> by and large
[23:20] <jcoxon> and thats 2 20pF caps
[23:22] <Randomskk> yea
[23:22] <jcoxon> Randomskk, you around friday for launch?
[23:23] <Randomskk> distcintly possible
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[23:28] <Laurenceb_> Randomskk: did you get jtag working with stm32?
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[23:29] Action: Laurenceb_ wants to get live variables from sram while the core is running
[23:29] <Randomskk> Laurenceb_: yes
[23:29] <Randomskk> but it was annoying
[23:29] <Randomskk> so I stopped using it
[23:29] <Laurenceb_> heh
[23:29] <Laurenceb_> ive got stlink working
[23:29] <Laurenceb_> gdb is annoying me
[23:29] <Laurenceb_> async mode doesnt work properly
[23:29] <Randomskk> however my stm32 skeleton project folders on github have the required openocd files for gdb and all that
[23:29] <Laurenceb_> ok
[23:30] <Randomskk> some messing about might be required but it works
[23:30] <Laurenceb_> did you try loading to sram?
[23:30] <Laurenceb_> and executing from there?
[23:30] <Randomskk> don't think so
[23:30] <Laurenceb_> ah
[23:30] <Laurenceb_> it doesnt work for me with non-optimised code
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[23:30] <Laurenceb_> program counter is never reset
[23:31] <Randomskk> :/
[23:31] <Laurenceb_> sounds like ive got further than you have
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[23:31] <Laurenceb_> i was tempted to write a script to grab data from sram using direct access of the gdbserver
[23:32] <Laurenceb_> but processing elf files to get pointers to the varibles is a lita
[23:32] <Laurenceb_> *pita
[23:32] <Laurenceb_> so id prefer it if there was a way to patch arm-gdb
[23:32] <Laurenceb_> to allow proper support of async targets
[23:33] <Laurenceb_> rowley crossworks does this out of the box
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[23:33] <Laurenceb_> stm8 dev tools do too - i like the idea
[23:34] <Laurenceb_> you can do a scrolling display of various variables just mouseover in the debugger
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[23:52] <jcoxon> hehe just watched man lab
[23:52] <jcoxon> goodness me showing it bounce off pylons
[23:55] <fsphil> yea surprised they showed that bit
[23:56] <jcoxon> nice to see a bit of dl-fldigi on tv
[23:56] <jcoxon> doubt fldigi has ever been on TV before :-p
[23:56] <fsphil> old version though, rjharrison really needs to update ;)
[23:57] <jcoxon> hehe - thats true
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[23:58] <Laurenceb_> thats why you use nylon line
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