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[09:08] <jcoxon> morning all
[09:09] <number10> morning - GPS problems solved?
[09:09] <jcoxon> yes
[09:09] <jcoxon> in a very satisfying way
[09:09] <number10> what was the problem?
[09:09] <jcoxon> i changed gps modules first
[09:09] <jcoxon> to a fsa03 ublox 6
[09:09] <fsphil-laptop> it's great when you find the exact problem
[09:09] <jcoxon> then i found a bug
[09:10] <number10> excelent
[09:10] <jcoxon> which i must have put in as its correct in the wiki example
[09:10] <jcoxon> now my payload checks the flight mode every 10 cycles
[09:10] <jcoxon> and will correct if it is wrong
[09:11] <number10> thats interesting - so its a good idea to repeatedly check flight mode
[09:11] <number10> when you say wiki do you mean http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:falcom_fsa03 ?
[09:11] <jcoxon> number10, the concern is that these ubloxes often don't have backup batteries
[09:12] <jcoxon> and so if momentarily lose power will lose their settings
[09:13] <jcoxon> yeah thats the code
[09:13] <jcoxon> i've got an additional function which will check the navmode
[09:13] <fsphil-laptop> I think just setting it regularly is fine too
[09:13] <number10> I wonder if its an ide to power VBAT using a large capacitor
[09:13] <jcoxon> number10, coin cell
[09:13] <jcoxon> if you can attach it it'll make life very much easier
[09:14] <jcoxon> e.g. quick lock when setting up before launch
[09:14] <jcoxon> i remember waiting 30mins or more for a lassen to get a lock at launch site
[09:14] <Darkside> jcoxon: iv'e never had a problem, and we fly ublox's without any sort of backup battery
[09:14] <Darkside> we've done that for at least the last 12 launches
[09:14] <fsphil-laptop> lassen though ;)
[09:15] <jcoxon> Darkside, sure but for the ease of adding a coin cell its probably worth it
[09:15] <number10> can you post the function that checks jcoxon
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[09:15] <Darkside> jcoxon: again, we've never had any problems
[09:15] <Darkside> any voltage drop that causes the gps to reset will cause rthe micro to reset too
[09:15] <jcoxon> Darkside, thats true
[09:15] <Darkside> well, likely anyway
[09:16] <jcoxon> we should make a ublox library
[09:16] <jcoxon> there are some cool functions we don't use
[09:16] <Darkside> yeah
[09:16] <number10> but that would depend on the voltage setting of your brownout detector compared to the minimum voltage of the GPS Darkside
[09:16] <Darkside> one of the project horus guys is looking at power save modes
[09:16] <Darkside> we already use polling
[09:17] <jcoxon> yeah i use polling
[09:17] <jcoxon> much better then nmea
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[09:17] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[09:18] <Darkside> jcoxon: i think its possible to put it into a mode where it only wakes up the correlation stuff when you poll it
[09:19] <jcoxon> on the ublox 6 yeah
[09:21] <Lunar_Lander> hi Darkside jcoxon
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[09:23] <fsphil-laptop> quick reminder, anyone wanting to try decoding the images today will need the beta build of dl-fldigi or the images will be a bit iffy
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[09:23] <jcoxon> hmmmm
[09:23] <jcoxon> off your branch?
[09:24] <fsphil-laptop> it's in your branch now too i think, just not released yet
[09:24] <Darkside> hmm
[09:24] <Darkside> i wont be able to do this on my mac..
[09:24] <Darkside> crap
[09:24] <jcoxon> shall i quickly build some images fsphil-laptop
[09:24] <Darkside> build one for OSX!
[09:24] <fsphil-laptop> yea -- lemme double check you have it
[09:25] <jcoxon> Darkside, lion?
[09:25] <Darkside> no
[09:25] <Darkside> 10.6.8
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[09:26] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop, how does the image decoding work?
[09:26] <fsphil-laptop> jcoxon, yea you do: https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/commit/be3d1b047effa40e1892bba0af74a2fc59358261
[09:26] <fsphil-laptop> Lunar_Lander, pretty well ;)
[09:26] <Lunar_Lander> that was not my question
[09:27] <Lunar_Lander> I wanted to know how to do it
[09:27] <fsphil-laptop> you mean technically how does it work, or how do you see them in dl-fldigi?
[09:27] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, check the wiki :-)
[09:27] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[09:27] <fsphil-laptop> the techy details are here: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:ssdv
[09:27] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[09:28] <Darkside> jcoxon: r115.2 never worked for me btw
[09:28] <Darkside> it couldn't find the libraries
[09:28] <number10> jcoxon there are some more fsa03s back in stock
[09:28] <Lunar_Lander> so it recognizes it automatically?
[09:28] <jcoxon> Darkside, i'm on hte case
[09:28] <fsphil-laptop> Lunar_Lander, yep
[09:28] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[09:28] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[09:28] <Lunar_Lander> I can't find the audio cable
[09:29] <fsphil-laptop> you've got some time
[09:29] <jcoxon> DanielRichman has nearly finished an enormous upgrade
[09:30] <jcoxon> Darkside, how embrassing that i use 10.5.8 still
[09:30] <fsphil-laptop> 10.4 here ;)
[09:30] <fsphil-laptop> well I don't actually use it but close enough
[09:31] <fsphil-laptop> so homebrew makes it pretty easy to build stuff on the mac?
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[09:31] <Darkside> jcoxon: the r115.1 build worked fine
[09:32] <Darkside> what did you do differently with r115.2?
[09:32] <Darkside> fsphil-laptop: i use macports
[09:33] <jcoxon> Darkside, hmmm i'd have to roll back through the git commits
[09:33] <fsphil-laptop> I hit an error with wget on macports, couldn't get past it
[09:33] <jcoxon> the build method wont' have changed
[09:33] <jcoxon> probably cause wget isn't natively on the mac
[09:33] <jcoxon> :-)
[09:34] <jcoxon> need to install it for macports to work
[09:34] <fsphil-laptop> I think it was there -- will have to dig out the mac, been a while now
[09:34] <fsphil-laptop> I might see if I can get 10.5 for it
[09:35] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[09:35] <Lunar_Lander> I coiled the cable up after Alpha
[09:37] <fsphil-laptop> I need to dig out my power cables for the 817
[09:38] <fsphil-laptop> not sure how I'm going to power the laptop -- it won't run of a 12v battery reliably, though the eeepc will
[09:38] <fsphil-laptop> but it's teeny tiny
[09:38] <Lunar_Lander> did I tell you that the uni has eeepc desktops?
[09:38] <fsphil-laptop> any good?
[09:38] <Lunar_Lander> they are strange, only a few USBs and a SD card drive
[09:38] <Lunar_Lander> no optical drive
[09:38] <fsphil-laptop> I've a similar machine here
[09:38] <Lunar_Lander> well, as lab terminals they were OK
[09:39] <fsphil-laptop> I quite like it -- almost no noise and low power usage
[09:39] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[09:39] <fsphil-laptop> I use it more than my big quad core pc :)
[09:39] <Lunar_Lander> does it have WLAN?
[09:39] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[09:39] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[09:39] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[09:39] <Lunar_Lander> btw SD
[09:39] <fsphil-laptop> vga and hdmi ports, can drive two monitors
[09:39] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[09:39] <fsphil-laptop> has an sd card slot too
[09:39] <Lunar_Lander> I remember another experiment with an Tektronix oscilloscope
[09:40] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[09:40] <fsphil-laptop> SD really is the new floppy :)
[09:40] <Lunar_Lander> we got two USB sticks, my was 8GB and the one of my partner 4GB
[09:40] <jcoxon> Darkside, okay uploading new image now
[09:40] <Lunar_Lander> both were refused with the message "drive too big" or so
[09:40] <jcoxon> its from a clean dev environment and works on my system
[09:41] <Darkside> jcoxon: ok
[09:42] <jcoxon> but lets see
[09:42] <jcoxon> i've got lots of libs etc installed on my mac
[09:42] <Darkside> yeah
[09:42] <Darkside> i thin, r115.1 has them all inside the .app
[09:42] <jcoxon> https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/downloads
[09:42] <Darkside> yeah
[09:42] <Darkside> 115.1 has a frameworks folder inside the app
[09:42] <Darkside> with a heap of libs
[09:43] <jcoxon> this one has as well
[09:43] <Darkside> downloading
[09:43] <jcoxon> number10, i've added my code to the wiki for nav mode checking
[09:43] <number10> cheers
[09:43] <Darkside> http://www.wisp.net.au/bullet-m2hp-80211n-100mbps-p-247.html?cPath=5_21_24
[09:43] <Darkside> crap
[09:43] <Darkside> juxta: nope
[09:43] <Darkside> failed
[09:44] <Darkside> Dyld Error Message:
[09:44] <Darkside> Library not loaded: /opt/local/lib/libvorbis.0.dylib
[09:44] <Darkside> Referenced from: /Volumes/dl-fldigi-3.20.34/dl-fldigi.app/Contents/MacOS/../Frameworks/libvorbisenc.2.dylib
[09:44] <Darkside> Reason: no suitable image found. Did find:
[09:44] <Darkside> /opt/local/lib/libvorbis.0.dylib: mach-o, but wrong architecture
[09:44] <Darkside> i'm running 64-bit OSX btw
[09:44] <zyp> run: file /opt/local/lib/libvorbis.0.dylib
[09:44] <Darkside> /opt/local/lib/libvorbis.0.dylib: Mach-O 64-bit dynamically linked shared library x86_64
[09:45] <jcoxon> yeah mine is i386
[09:45] <Darkside> well theres the problem
[09:45] <Darkside> crap
[09:45] <jcoxon> i'm on the case
[09:45] <zyp> you're trying to run a 32-bit build of dl-fldigi, that depends on libs you've only got a 64-bit version of
[09:45] <fsphil-laptop> no 32-bit compatibility in x86_64 osx?
[09:46] <zyp> isn't /opt/local/lib/libvorbis.0.dylib third party?
[09:46] <Darkside> its preferring the libs in my /opt folder ovet the ones in teh framework directory
[09:46] <fsphil-laptop> yea, apple don't like vorbis
[09:46] <Darkside> the app has the lib is needs packaged with it
[09:46] <Darkside> but its not using it
[09:46] <Darkside> so jcoxon needs to make it use the libs inside the app bundle instead of anything else
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[09:53] <jcoxon> Darkside, i think its a bit more then that
[09:54] <jcoxon> its that libvorbisenc is not using the accompanying libvorbis
[09:54] <Darkside> ah
[09:54] <jcoxon> which is another level of annoyingness
[09:54] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: the revamped dlfldigi is done except for gps; so it should build and work. However I had to add a JSON library dependency, so that is gonna be not fun :S
[09:55] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, not something to do a few hours before a launch :-)
[09:55] <Lunar_Lander> hi DanielRichman
[09:55] <DanielRichman> are you launching today?
[09:55] <jcoxon> no but tim is
[09:55] <DanielRichman> yeah the upgrade doesnt break the current one and theres no rusj
[09:56] <DanielRichman> *rush
[09:56] <DanielRichman> brb table football
[10:02] <jcoxon> Darkside, so your OSX 64 can still run 32bit binaries?
[10:02] <Darkside> yeah
[10:03] <jcoxon> just that you need a 32bit library of libvorbis
[10:03] <Darkside> i think so
[10:03] <jcoxon> what happens if you install a 32 bit lib of it then
[10:04] <jcoxon> in the mean time i'll look into how to sort out these libs
[10:04] <Darkside> well macports won't let me compile one
[10:04] <Darkside> not without recompiling a whole pile of stuff
[10:04] <jcoxon> how about some slight dirty hacking (but reversable)
[10:04] <Darkside> i guess i could try and compile ld-fldigi myself
[10:05] <jcoxon> as in i've given you a 32bit lib already...
[10:05] <Darkside> i know thts not going to be fun
[10:05] <Darkside> oh
[10:05] <Darkside> ok
[10:05] <jcoxon> and its only libvorbis!
[10:06] <jcoxon> actually compiling dl-fldigi isn't difficult
[10:06] <jcoxon> the only thing you need really is libcurl
[10:06] <jcoxon> fsphil-laptop, do we need to upgrade the windows binary?
[10:06] <fsphil-laptop> I've got a build for that already, though it maybe wouldn't hurt
[10:07] <Darkside> haha
[10:07] <Darkside> Dyld Error Message: Library not loaded: /opt/local/lib/libusb-1.0.0.dylib Referenced from: /Volumes/dl-fldigi-3.20.34/dl-fldigi.app/Contents/MacOS/../Frameworks/libusb-0.1.4.dylib Reason: image not found
[10:07] <Darkside> oh jeez
[10:07] <jcoxon> hmmmm
[10:07] <Darkside> this is not looking good
[10:08] <jcoxon> Darkside, just pull the dl-fldigi from git
[10:08] <Darkside> yeah
[10:08] <jcoxon> and compile it
[10:08] <jcoxon> it won't take too long
[10:08] <Darkside> cloning
[10:10] <Darkside> ok
[10:10] <Darkside> now i need to make sure i have all teh dependencies
[10:11] <jcoxon> remember first
[10:11] <Darkside> hmm m4
[10:11] <jcoxon> autoreconf -vfi
[10:12] <Darkside> it says to configure: error: *** The fltk-config script could not be found. Please install the development *** headers and libraries for FLTK 1.1.x, or set PATH to the directory that *** contains fltk-config.
[10:12] <Darkside> ok
[10:12] <Darkside> installing from macports
[10:12] <jcoxon> Darkside, shall we discuss this off channel?
[10:12] <Darkside> jcoxon: habhub?
[10:14] <jcoxon> hooray my HX1s are on their way
[10:14] <Lunar_Lander> YAY
[10:14] <fsphil-laptop> looks like tim has managed to get a few listeners
[10:15] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[10:15] <Lunar_Lander> still can't find the cable
[10:20] <fsphil-laptop> I'd better start getting ready myself
[10:23] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[10:23] <jcoxon> fsphil-laptop, you going outside outside for this?
[10:23] <fsphil-laptop> yea going to try from the hill
[10:24] <jcoxon> what time is launch?
[10:24] <fsphil-laptop> 13:00 gmt
[10:24] <fsphil-laptop> ish
[10:24] <jcoxon> hmmm
[10:24] <fsphil-laptop> less ish than usual though I think
[10:26] <jcoxon> fsphil-laptop, i think i'm going to track from home
[10:26] <fsphil-laptop> 600 baud but I figure with the yagis and the error correction, there's a small chance
[10:26] <jcoxon> too lazy to find a hill
[10:27] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[10:27] <fsphil-laptop> really nice day here today, so a good day to get outdoors
[10:27] <jcoxon> its cloudy here
[10:27] <fsphil-laptop> normally it's the other way around
[10:28] <fsphil-laptop> we've not seen a cloud in a few days
[10:29] <costyn> morning
[10:29] <fsphil-laptop> morning costyn
[10:29] <costyn> I'll be joining Tim at the launch location in about an hour
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[10:30] <costyn> we'll be launching on the lawn in front of the auditorium where the TEDx presentations are being given; with a bit of luck we might have some spectators :)
[10:30] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[10:30] <Lunar_Lander> hi costyn
[10:30] <Lunar_Lander> do you know what?
[10:31] <Lunar_Lander> wire=a thing that you can loose and you can't find it when you need it
[10:31] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[10:31] <fsphil-laptop> usually power cables
[10:32] <jcoxon> fsphil-laptop, if peple are using r115.1 will its till decode teh images
[10:33] <fsphil-laptop> it will, there'll just be glitches in how it displays it
[10:33] <fsphil-laptop> but it will still upload fine
[10:33] <jcoxon> my worry is tht we've got a lot of new trackers
[10:33] <jcoxon> good to see
[10:33] <jcoxon> but
[10:34] <jcoxon> can't be sure they are running the latest
[10:34] <jcoxon> i assume tim has advertised the right binary to use
[10:34] <fsphil-laptop> I think he has
[10:34] <jcoxon> hehe i think i'll grab my yagi
[10:34] <jcoxon> but set it up indoors
[10:34] <jcoxon> inside my faraday cage of a flat
[10:34] <Darkside> i've got teh right binary on my pc
[10:35] <Darkside> but i can't easily do the virtual audio cable stuff on windows
[10:35] <jcoxon> Darkside, you globaltunering in?
[10:35] <Darkside> yeah
[10:35] <Darkside> dokkum
[10:35] <Darkside> well, i will be
[10:35] <Darkside> once i get this workign on my mac
[10:35] <fsphil-laptop> you'll probably have better ,c
[10:35] <fsphil-laptop> luck than I will :)
[10:36] <Darkside> omg
[10:36] <Darkside> compiled
[10:36] <fsphil-laptop> !!
[10:36] <fsphil-laptop> there's a test sample here: http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/
[10:36] <Darkside> nwoto make an appbundle
[10:36] <jcoxon> make appbundle
[10:36] <Darkside> fsphil-laptop: i have a working payload
[10:36] <Darkside> which i could turn on
[10:36] <fsphil-laptop> oh right!
[10:37] <Darkside> omg!
[10:37] <Darkside> it runs!
[10:37] <jcoxon> Darkside, that wasn't too difficult
[10:37] <Darkside> ok now to test
[10:37] <jcoxon> :-)
[10:37] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[10:38] <Darkside> now i gotta find an audio cable
[10:38] Action: jcoxon goes to put his payload in the freezer
[10:39] <Darkside> ffs camera error again
[10:39] <Darkside> fsphil-laptop: this camera module really gives me the shits
[10:39] <fsphil-laptop> it's too fussy
[10:39] <fsphil-laptop> then takes a tantrum and stops talking
[10:39] <fsphil-laptop> I wish there was an easy way to reset it
[10:40] <Darkside> i've power cycled the thing enough times
[10:40] <Darkside> and it still won't work
[10:40] <Darkside> and it was workign fine last night
[10:40] <Darkside> this is the exact same code
[10:40] <Darkside> i'm going with temp variations
[10:40] <fsphil-laptop> must be the temp
[10:40] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[10:40] <Darkside> thats crap
[10:40] <Darkside> i can't fly that
[10:40] <Darkside> oh well, the RTTY is demodulating
[10:41] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon, when I downloaded dl-fldigi from your github like an hour ago is that OK?
[10:41] <Lunar_Lander> or is there another update now?
[10:41] <Lunar_Lander> for windows
[10:41] <fsphil-laptop> it works fine with the crystal frequency that's a multiple of the baud
[10:41] <fsphil-laptop> guess it gives a lot more room for the temperature variation
[10:41] <Darkside> fsphil-laptop: yeah
[10:41] <fsphil-laptop> what we really need is an SPI camera
[10:42] <Darkside> i might be able to replace the crystal on this
[10:42] <Darkside> but i'd then need to hack arduino a bit
[10:42] <Darkside> but since i'm not using the bootloader thats doable
[10:43] <Darkside> http://au.element14.com/euroquartz/7-3728mhz-hc49-4h-30-50-40-18pf-atf/crystal-tht-7-3728mhz/dp/1640866
[10:43] <Darkside> actually http://au.element14.com/txc/9b-7-3728maaj-b/xtal-7-3728mhz-18pf-hc-49s/dp/1842266
[10:43] <Darkside> cheaper
[10:44] <fsphil-laptop> rapidonline here where practically giving them away a while back
[10:44] <fsphil-laptop> bought about 15 for about £3
[10:45] <Darkside> ok got 2 ordered
[10:45] <Darkside> well, placed with the storeman
[10:45] <Darkside> its possible we have some in stock at uni anyway
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[10:50] <Darkside> hmm
[10:50] <Darkside> thats interesting
[10:50] <Darkside> dlfldigi.app works, the hab version doesn't
[10:50] <Darkside> no wait, nvm
[10:51] <Darkside> ok, so what are the settings going to be
[10:51] <Darkside> P4DTA gives the 45 baud setting
[10:52] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[10:52] <Lunar_Lander> here as well
[10:53] <Darkside> well, it seems to be working
[10:53] <Darkside> now to wait for launch!
[10:53] <Lunar_Lander> is he already broadcasting?
[10:53] <Darkside> no
[10:54] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside, could you help me for a moment please?
[10:54] <Darkside> with what?
[10:54] <Lunar_Lander> I got XChat 2 now
[10:54] <Lunar_Lander> I want to see if it flashes when someone writes me
[10:55] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander:
[10:55] Last message repeated 3 time(s).
[10:55] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: PING
[10:55] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[10:55] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[10:55] <Darkside> good enough?
[10:55] <Lunar_Lander> yes thanks
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[11:05] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, its probably best you grab fsphil's windows build
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[11:09] <jcoxon> fsphil-laptop, oh dears
[11:09] <jcoxon> tim has linked to my dl-fldigi git download section
[11:09] <jcoxon> so most of those windows downloads won't have the latest latest
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[11:12] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[11:12] <Lunar_Lander> which do I need now?
[11:13] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, it'll work
[11:13] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[11:13] <jcoxon> but it won't natively display the image very well
[11:13] <Lunar_Lander> only if I find my audio cable
[11:13] <Lunar_Lander> ab
[11:13] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[11:13] <jcoxon> but it'll look fine on the live web page
[11:13] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[11:13] <Lunar_Lander> btw I contacted DH1BDL
[11:13] <Lunar_Lander> but I don't think he got dl-fldigi yet cause he runs Suse Linux
[11:13] <Lunar_Lander> but he has the normal fldigi
[11:13] <jcoxon> its not difficult to compile
[11:14] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[11:14] <fsphil-laptop> jcoxon, nuts -- at least it only will affect the local view of the image
[11:14] <Lunar_Lander> it was only quite tense in the Apex Alpha night
[11:14] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[11:15] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop, you are in france again :P?
[11:16] <fsphil-laptop> the /A version of me seems to be lol
[11:17] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[11:17] <Lunar_Lander> you know what is bad?
[11:18] <fsphil-laptop> onions?
[11:18] <Lunar_Lander> if you need to go to the WC, can't find the cable and still have homework left
[11:18] <Lunar_Lander> xD onions as well
[11:19] <Lunar_Lander> I think I stowed the cable in the envelope in which I received it
[11:19] <Lunar_Lander> but here I got an envelope with the breadboard wires and one with some paper CD envelopes
[11:19] <Lunar_Lander> maybe in my balloon box
[11:20] <Lunar_Lander> damn negative
[11:22] <fsphil-laptop> brb
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[11:26] <fsphil-laptop> interesting, 3g dongle working even though I haven't put any money in it :)
[11:26] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[11:26] <Lunar_Lander> xD do you know LibreOffice?
[11:26] <fsphil-laptop> ooh habhound working well on 3g
[11:26] <Lunar_Lander> yay
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[11:27] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop, does it have a coin slot, like the fuse box in Mr Bean's flat? :P
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[11:28] <Lunar_Lander> lol
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[11:31] <fsphil-laptop> someone at O2 must have heard me
[11:32] <fsphil-laptop> brb again
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[11:32] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
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[11:35] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon, do you copy?
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[11:46] <Lunar_Lander> hi priyesh
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[11:50] <Lunar_Lander> hi nosebleedKT
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[11:52] <nosebleedKT> hi
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[11:52] <nosebleedKT> im working :)
[11:53] <Lunar_Lander> :) cool
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[11:53] <Lunar_Lander> I want to try to listen to Tim's balloon but I can't find the audio wire
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[11:56] <Lunar_Lander> hi SamSilver
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[11:58] <SamSilver> Hi Lunar_Lander
[11:58] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[11:58] <SamSilver> some cation shortly
[11:58] <SamSilver> I am ready for the Delft launch
[11:58] <SamSilver> how are you?
[11:59] <SamSilver> *action
[11:59] <Lunar_Lander> I'm good, there is only one problem
[11:59] <Lunar_Lander> after Apex Alpha I rolled up the audio cable
[11:59] <SamSilver> the back?
[12:00] <Lunar_Lander> and I can't find it
[12:00] <Lunar_Lander> the back is a bit better now, thanks
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[12:03] <SamSilver> Lunar_Lander: how about the boot of the car?
[12:04] <Lunar_Lander> ah it can't be in there
[12:04] <Lunar_Lander> I always had it in my room
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[12:07] <SamSilver> Lunar_Lander: could the wife have used it as a trendy belt?
[12:07] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[12:07] <Lunar_Lander> I haven't got a wife
[12:07] <SamSilver> wise man
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[12:07] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[12:21] <Darkside> payload is on!
[12:21] <SpeedEvil> :)
[12:22] <jcoxon> hehe this fsa03 does not like the cold
[12:23] <jcoxon> updating predictor now
[12:23] <Darkside> nooooo dokkum is down
[12:24] <Darkside> and theres no other receivers in the area that can do USB
[12:24] <SpeedEvil> You don't need usb
[12:24] <Darkside> uhh
[12:24] <SpeedEvil> LSB, and 'flip' or something somewhere in the fldigi interface
[12:25] <Darkside> if it doesn't habve USB it won't have LSB
[12:25] <SpeedEvil> Ah - right.
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> That is an oddly shaped building.
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> Looks like a heatsink.
[12:26] <Darkside> well, thats me out then..
[12:26] <Darkside> i won't be able to RX
[12:26] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> :/
[12:27] <Lunar_Lander> sorry to hear that da
[12:27] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside,
[12:27] <Darkside> the ones in the UK are not working either
[12:27] <SpeedEvil> And it's off!
[12:27] <Lunar_Lander> now already?!
[12:27] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[12:27] <SpeedEvil> 100m
[12:28] <SpeedEvil> 140
[12:28] <SpeedEvil> ~5m/s
[12:28] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[12:28] <Lunar_Lander> but he will splash
[12:28] <Darkside> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/live/PD4TA going alright
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[12:30] <SpeedEvil> Looks like. Though you could almost swim out to it.
[12:30] <SpeedEvil> Perhaps some may not find the north sea a nice relaxing 3 mile swim at this time of year.
[12:31] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[12:31] <SpeedEvil> It's a pity it's not possible to simply drive 10 miles east and release there.
[12:31] <Lunar_Lander> I thought I could hear some signal out of the noise
[12:31] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[12:31] <jcoxon> freq?
[12:31] <SpeedEvil> 434.560
[12:31] <SpeedEvil> 650
[12:31] <Lunar_Lander> my dial is at 4.650.6
[12:31] <Lunar_Lander> and I thought I could just hear modulation
[12:32] <Lunar_Lander> maybe it'll work when it climbs higher
[12:33] <Darkside> no data for a while
[12:33] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[12:33] <Lunar_Lander> also
[12:33] <Lunar_Lander> the sanslogic page does not update
[12:34] <Dutch-Mill> Help ! I'm under attac ;-)
[12:34] <Darkside> Dutch-Mill: can you track?
[12:34] <Darkside> no data is being uploaded atm
[12:34] <Dutch-Mill> Do my best i'm on remote
[12:35] <Darkside> ok
[12:35] <jcoxon> no data on spacenear.us for a while
[12:36] <Darkside> ohi x-f
[12:36] <x-f> hi, Darkside
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[12:37] <Darkside> x-f: i don't think we're going to hear anything on this radio
[12:37] <Darkside> it only has a HF antenna attached
[12:37] <x-f> :/
[12:38] <jcoxon> hmmmm
[12:38] <Dutch-Mill> I'm on it
[12:38] <jcoxon> oooo some images
[12:38] <fsphil> oh he's launched
[12:38] <Darkside> yeah
[12:38] <jcoxon> phew
[12:38] <Darkside> no data for a while though
[12:38] <jcoxon> Dutch-Mill, freq?
[12:38] <Darkside> oh there we ogo
[12:39] <Dutch-Mill> 434.655.800
[12:39] <fsphil> ooh nice, images
[12:39] <fsphil> nice one Dutch-Mill
[12:40] <fsphil> right, heading out now. bbs
[12:40] <jcoxon> Dutch-Mill, USB?
[12:41] <Dutch-Mill> yes usb
[12:42] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: #ukhas SpaceCamera Live 2 in the air #arhab [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/133524842338197504]
[12:46] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: Space Camera Live 2 - transmitted images: http://t.co/GDm7kvdm #arhab #ukhas [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/133525618137645057]
[12:47] <griffonbot> @jgrahamc: RT @jamescoxon: Space Camera Live 2 - transmitted images: http://t.co/GDm7kvdm #arhab #ukhas [http://twitter.com/jgrahamc/status/133525973680406528]
[12:47] <jcoxon> are there 2 types of images on this flight - like last time?
[12:49] <Lunar_Lander> thanks Dutch-Mill I think I am getting some modulation
[12:50] <Darkside> current dial freq?
[12:51] <Lunar_Lander> I have it on 4.656.6
[12:51] <Dutch-Mill> 434.655.800
[12:51] <Darkside> ok
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[12:52] <Dutch-Mill> Lunar whats your location ..
[12:53] <Lunar_Lander> near Osnabrueck, Germany
[12:54] <griffonbot> @bfirsh: RT @jamescoxon: Space Camera Live 2 - transmitted images: http://t.co/GDm7kvdm #arhab #ukhas [http://twitter.com/bfirsh/status/133527854880272384]
[12:55] <bfirsh> neat.
[12:55] <Darkside> dokkum globaltuners rx is back up
[12:55] <Darkside> cant hear anything on it tho
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[12:56] <jcoxon> i can see faint traces
[12:56] <jcoxon> on the watefall
[12:56] <Darkside> there it is
[12:57] <Darkside> cool
[12:57] <Darkside> getting data
[12:57] <Darkside> image data
[12:57] <Darkside> it needs to be 600 baud
[12:58] <jcoxon> wonder what is wrong with autoconfigure
[12:58] <Darkside> the baud rate is set wrong
[12:58] <Darkside> it should be 600 baud 600 Hz shift 8N2
[12:58] <jcoxon> wow lots of listners
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[13:02] <SamSilver> 8 packets - none missing
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[13:07] <hwhnp> hey guys
[13:07] <Lunar_Lander> 13.5 km up
[13:08] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside, are you using Dutch-Mill's frequency?
[13:08] <Lunar_Lander> hello hwhnp
[13:08] <Darkside> i',m on 434.658
[13:08] <hwhnp> lissening on 434.650 but can't hear anything
[13:08] <Darkside> but i think this receiver is slightly out of tune
[13:08] <Darkside> hwhnp: its drifted up
[13:08] <Darkside> try 434.655 or higher
[13:09] <Darkside> uh oh
[13:09] <Darkside> i'm just getting carrier
[13:09] <Dutch-Mill> lost data ?
[13:09] <costyn> hello
[13:09] <Darkside> yeah i just see carrier
[13:09] <costyn> finally got online here at the launch site
[13:09] <costyn> not sure what's going on
[13:09] <Darkside> costyn: the payload looks like its died
[13:10] <Darkside> well, its stopped modulating anyway
[13:10] <jcoxon> ublox gps?
[13:10] <Darkside> jcoxon: i think its more the beagleboard
[13:10] <Lunar_Lander> at 4.657.7 there is a high-pitched tone
[13:10] <Darkside> than the gps
[13:10] <costyn> tim says mobo might have crashed
[13:10] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: thats the payload
[13:10] <Lunar_Lander> which gets lower in pitch when I tune up
[13:10] <jcoxon> oh
[13:10] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[13:10] <costyn> it should reboot 3 hours after launch
[13:11] <Darkside> uh oheek
[13:11] <jcoxon> does it have a watchdog
[13:11] <jcoxon> 3hrs!
[13:11] <Darkside> keep track of it...
[13:11] <Darkside> thatsnot a watchdog...
[13:11] <hwhnp> yes only high pitch tone
[13:11] <Darkside> thats a watchslowpoke
[13:11] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL
[13:11] <Darkside> costyn: does anyone there have a yagi?
[13:11] <jcoxon> thats a shame
[13:11] <costyn> Darkside: yes we have 2 yagi's here
[13:12] <Darkside> costyn: start DFing
[13:12] <Lunar_Lander> hwhnp, what kind of antenna do you use? are you in the NL or Germany?
[13:12] <Darkside> keep maintaining a solid bearing on the payload
[13:12] <hwhnp> nl the hague
[13:12] <Darkside> you've got the carrier, you need to keep tracking that carrier for as long as possible
[13:12] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[13:12] <hwhnp> simple whip antenna
[13:12] <Lunar_Lander> me too, in germany
[13:12] <Lunar_Lander> and inside
[13:12] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[13:12] <costyn> Darkside: there's a backup GPS/GSM tracker onboard, we'll be able to find it again
[13:13] <Lunar_Lander> that astonished many people that I got reception in the house
[13:13] <Darkside> ahh ok
[13:13] <hwhnp> USB right?
[13:13] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[13:13] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[13:13] <Lunar_Lander> there is some dididididit
[13:13] <Darkside> costyn: well, not if it goes where its predicted to go
[13:13] <Darkside> i.e. water
[13:13] <costyn> but kind of a bummer.. Tim's presentation is in 30 minutes
[13:13] <costyn> the plan was to show live images from the balloon
[13:13] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[13:14] <costyn> ah damnit
[13:14] <Darkside> temperature seems to have stabilised :P
[13:14] <Dutch-Mill> ye say that
[13:15] <Lunar_Lander> there is much noise
[13:15] <Lunar_Lander> maybe it would be a bit better with a yagi
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[13:15] <Darkside> i've got a strong fix on the carrier off the Dokkum globaltuner
[13:15] <Lunar_Lander> if I try my NTX2 on the table, I have next to no noise :)
[13:16] <Darkside> i'm pretty sure i'm seeing fluctiations in frequency due to temp changes in the payload
[13:16] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[13:17] <Darkside> mmm definitelyt adding in a watchdog timer when i make my beaglebone based payload..
[13:17] <hwhnp> constant tone @ 434.655 nothing more
[13:17] <Darkside> hwhnp: thats the payload
[13:18] <costyn> :(
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[13:18] <Darkside> costyn: i'd still be tracking that thing with the yagis
[13:18] <Darkside> keep t[B[B[B
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> We 'need' a way to receive these things with accurate frequencys.
[13:18] <Darkside> ack
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> GPS disciplined, so we can do carrier tracking.
[13:19] <Darkside> keep trying and getting a solid bearing on it, then you might be able tow ork out when it makes the turn back towards land
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> (Doppler is noticable, and makes triangulation possible)
[13:20] <Darkside> i had the idea of synchronous transmission
[13:20] <SpeedEvil> That works.
[13:20] <Darkside> but you won't get enough range resolution for a good position fix
[13:20] <SpeedEvil> But you need another balloon practically.
[13:20] <zyp> back in school we did doppler ranging of rocket payloads
[13:20] <SpeedEvil> Integrate the doppler, and it works.
[13:21] <Darkside> SpeedEvil: i mean using a synchronous transmitter and receiver, and measuring the group delay
[13:21] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[13:21] <Darkside> so you have a time of flight measurement to the payload
[13:21] <Darkside> but your range resolution is limited mostly by bandwidth
[13:21] <SpeedEvil> i was meaning a transmitter hovering over london, sending out a tone 1kHz away from the payload.
[13:21] <Darkside> you may be able to do phase measurements
[13:22] <Darkside> hmm, actually that might work
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> You recieve this tone, and the payload tone in all receivers.
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> you compare the dopplers.
[13:22] <hwhnp> am i missing something? no response from the payload anymore?
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> It would also work if the first transmitter was not fixed, but had a GPS.
[13:22] <Darkside> hwhnp: yes, payload appears to have crashed
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> :/
[13:22] <Darkside> or gone into some kind of failure mode
[13:22] <costyn> internet is shit here
[13:22] <costyn> wifi that is
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> What we need is a ukhas internet network, based on teeeny dirigibles.
[13:25] <costyn> hmmm is ok now... just seems that between presentations everyone grabs their smartphone and checks their mail and goes twtitering
[13:25] <Lunar_Lander> SpeedEvil, yes and I already have a name for it
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[13:25] <Lunar_Lander> EUROBALLOON
[13:25] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[13:28] <SpeedEvil> The latest prediction is quite close to land.
[13:28] <jcoxon> how frustrating
[13:28] <costyn> very... nothing we can do though
[13:29] <jcoxon> hope it resets i guess
[13:29] <Graham_G3VZV> whaqt freqeuncy should we be listening on fro PD4TA now?
[13:29] <costyn> give the presentation, wait for the reboot (3 hours after launch), and try to find it
[13:29] Action: SpeedEvil wonders.
[13:29] <hwhnp> 434.685 Mhz?
[13:30] <jcoxon> Graham_G3VZV, though its just a carrier
[13:30] <costyn> 434.656.21 right now
[13:30] <SpeedEvil> I can't think of a nice way to make a cheap(ish) local beacon transmitter good to a hertz or under at 434.
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[13:30] <SpeedEvil> If you could do that, you could just tune it, till it appeared on the waterfall, and then enter the 'real' frequency.
[13:31] <Graham_G3VZV> costyn: thanks - not getting thing sadly
[13:31] <hwhnp> that is not a 100% constant tone
[13:31] <Graham_G3VZV> *anything
[13:31] <SpeedEvil> might the shift have gone _way_ up?
[13:31] <SpeedEvil> What happens if you switch to FM
[13:32] <SpeedEvil> I'm wondering if it's gone to 10Khz shift or something
[13:32] <Darkside> SpeedEvil: doubt it
[13:32] <Darkside> you'd see it
[13:33] <Darkside> that constant tone
[13:33] <Darkside> A) wouldn't be constant
[13:33] <Darkside> B) would be spread out over a few KHz
[13:33] <SpeedEvil> Probably.
[13:33] <Upu> I have a very strong carrier but just a single line
[13:33] <costyn> Upu: yea, all of us unfortunately
[13:33] <Darkside> Upu: payload crashed
[13:33] <Upu> oh its broken ?
[13:33] <Upu> ah good not just me then :)
[13:33] <Darkside> looks like
[13:34] <SpeedEvil> hwhnp: Where are you - are you on the horizon?
[13:34] <Upu> well its stable :)
[13:34] <Darkside> you should be able to tell when it bursts
[13:34] <Darkside> it'll start wobbling around all over the place again
[13:34] <jcoxon> burst might well reset it
[13:34] <UpuWork> fingers crossed
[13:34] <hwhnp> i'm based between The Hague and Delft
[13:34] <Darkside> depends what failed
[13:34] <costyn> it was rising kinda slow, Tim was expecting to get quite high
[13:35] <Darkside> costyn: was this payload any different from the last one that flew?
[13:35] <Darkside> in terms of insulation mainly
[13:35] <costyn> Darkside: not that I know. the baud rate was higher at 600 for sending better pics; the setup looked exactly the same
[13:35] <Darkside> ok
[13:35] <Graham_G3VZV> I have two weak carriers about 360Hz apart
[13:35] <Darkside> just wondering what failed
[13:35] <costyn> Tim is inside to give his presentation so I can't ask him
[13:36] <Darkside> Graham_G3VZV: that probably isnt it then
[13:36] <Graham_G3VZV> Darkside: yes thats what I was thinking but they both beam up together in the right direction:)
[13:36] <costyn> would be lovely to hear that warble again
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[13:38] <hwhnp> I think it is the high baudrate
[13:38] <costyn> I can hear clapping... wifi is going to go to shit again
[13:39] <costyn> and Tim is about to give his presentation
[13:39] <hwhnp> all other balloons are using 50 baud
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[13:39] <UpuWork> Tim likes interconnects and high baud rate
[13:39] <UpuWork> out of interest what was the shift and baud before it all went Pete Tong ?
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[13:39] <jgrahamc> What's happened to Space Camera 2?
[13:40] <UpuWork> flight computers crashed
[13:40] <UpuWork> just getting a carrier on 434656.550
[13:40] <jgrahamc> Oops. Do you know what sort of computer it was?
[13:40] <UpuWork> faulty one
[13:40] <costyn> jgrahamc: beagleboard
[13:40] <jgrahamc> Thanks.
[13:40] <costyn> running some sort of linux
[13:41] <Darkside> i'd like to know if it was software or hardware
[13:41] <Darkside> the failure, i mean
[13:41] <jgrahamc> Would be interesting. Trouble with sophisticated stuff like that is _a lot_ can go wrong. That's why I like microcontrollers.
[13:41] <costyn> we actually launched earlier than the indicated time :)... -ISH
[13:42] <jgrahamc> Bummer though to have a in flight crash. Assume there's no external watchdog that's going to force a reboot?
[13:42] <Graham_G3VZV> is scratching head...is anyone hearing it from the UK?
[13:42] <costyn> jgrahamc: only a scheduled reboot at 3 hours
[13:42] <jgrahamc> Is it software scheduled/
[13:42] <jgrahamc> ?
[13:42] <costyn> jgrahamc: not sure, Tim didn't give me any details
[13:43] <jgrahamc> Well at least with a carrier you can go old skool with RDF
[13:43] <Darkside> better than no signal, thats for sure
[13:43] <jgrahamc> Unlike GAGA-1 where the batteries popped out on landing :-(
[13:43] <costyn> jgrahamc: yes, and there's a gsm/gps tracker onboard; if it doesn't splash down we should be able to retrieve it
[13:43] <UpuWork> Graham_G3VZV I can hear it fine
[13:43] <jgrahamc> Cool.
[13:44] <UpuWork> there is a strong carrier around 434656.550
[13:44] <Lunar_Lander> hey jgrahamc nice to see you back
[13:44] <jgrahamc> Hey Lunar_Lander
[13:44] <jgrahamc> I do try to check in here once in a while... working on GAGA-2 very slowly.
[13:45] <Lunar_Lander> costyn, does Tim know of the malfunction already?
[13:45] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[13:45] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: no we have no idea whats going on
[13:45] <jgrahamc> But got distracted by another project: http://blog.jgc.org/2011/11/turning-ge-color-effects-g-35-christmas.html
[13:45] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[13:45] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: Tim said board is probably crashed
[13:45] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[13:45] <Lunar_Lander> that I meant if he is aware that the balloon malfunctioned
[13:45] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: and malfunction happened when he was still here, before he went inside ; so yea he'll give his alternative presentation with no live pics
[13:45] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[13:45] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: yes
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[13:45] <Lunar_Lander> so he is prepared
[13:45] <costyn> yes
[13:46] <Lunar_Lander> like on Phoenix 2007
[13:46] <costyn> he didn't seem too upset; I'd be pretty pissed
[13:46] <Lunar_Lander> the National Geographic Channel had two films prepared
[13:46] <Lunar_Lander> one for the case that Phoenix would make it to the surface of Mars
[13:46] <Lunar_Lander> and the other in case of landing failure
[13:46] <costyn> heh
[13:47] <costyn> glad I brought my winter jacket and scarf.. kind cold out here
[13:47] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[13:48] <costyn> Tim's back
[13:48] <costyn> presentation went well
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[13:49] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[13:50] <costyn> we're gonna break down the setup here. if people could keep listening we can setup stuff again if it comes back
[13:50] <costyn> i'll stay here on IRC
[13:50] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[13:50] <costyn> be back in a bit
[13:51] <Dutch-Mill> I stay on it (remote)
[13:52] <hwhnp> strong carrier on 434.650.70
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[13:56] <hwhnp> what is the expected landing time?
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[13:59] <fsphil-laptop> my 3g dongle has failed. typical
[14:00] <fsphil-laptop> ooh it's over the water
[14:00] <UpuWork> what balloon was it hwhnp ? 1600g ?
[14:00] <UpuWork> its broken fsphil
[14:00] <Lunar_Lander> it should burst now roundabout
[14:00] <fsphil-laptop> ooh images not so good
[14:00] <UpuWork> random maths going up @ 6m/s burst at 36k flight time 100 mins
[14:00] <Lunar_Lander> after half an hour, it was at 13 km
[14:01] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[14:01] <UpuWork> launch was 32 mins ago
[14:01] <UpuWork> 35
[14:01] <UpuWork> so a bit to go yet
[14:01] <Lunar_Lander> no, launch should have been 1h 30 m ago
[14:01] <fsphil-laptop> it's really about 35km now?
[14:01] <UpuWork> Time: 2011-11-07 13:26:10 <- Launch
[14:01] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[14:02] <Lunar_Lander> it was before 2pm my time
[14:02] <UpuWork> duh
[14:02] <Lunar_Lander> now it is 3:02 pm here
[14:02] <fsphil-laptop> I must get the antenna out quickly then
[14:02] <UpuWork> sorry yes so it's been up 95 mins
[14:02] <UpuWork> so yes burst is soon
[14:02] <UpuWork> fsphil
[14:02] <UpuWork> its broken
[14:02] <UpuWork> only carrier no data
[14:02] <fsphil-laptop> ah nuts
[14:02] <UpuWork> fingers cross burst reboots it
[14:02] <fsphil-laptop> I thought maybe it was just sending bad data
[14:02] <UpuWork> no data
[14:03] <UpuWork> watching for burst wobble
[14:03] <fsphil-laptop> I wonder what happened the camera
[14:03] <UpuWork> carrier is rock solid
[14:03] <fsphil-laptop> lemme see if I can hear the carrier
[14:03] <fsphil-laptop> it'll give an idea of altitude
[14:03] <UpuWork> 434.656.550
[14:04] <UpuWork> was going up quick
[14:04] <UpuWork> do we know what balloon it was ? can't be a 1600g
[14:05] <UpuWork> oh its transmitting on 075 as well ?
[14:06] <fsphil-laptop> no sign of it on 434.656
[14:06] <jcoxon> UpuWork, not that i know of
[14:06] <UpuWork> The images will be sent over a 10mW SSB radio connection on at a frequency of either or both [434.650 or 434.075 MHz].
[14:07] <jcoxon> yeah it ended up being .650
[14:07] <jcoxon> for everything
[14:07] <UpuWork> ok
[14:07] <UpuWork> and balloon is a 1600g ?
[14:07] <fsphil-laptop> I think he was going to alternate packets between the two
[14:07] <jonsowman> hi jcoxon, how's ATLAS?
[14:07] <Lunar_Lander> did he have two NTX2 in there?
[14:08] <jcoxon> jonsowman, atlas is working!
[14:08] <UpuWork> launching tonight ?
[14:08] <jonsowman> excellent, what was wrong jcoxon?
[14:08] <hwhnp> does the payload reboot after burst?
[14:08] <jcoxon> a bug in the code, silly bug really
[14:08] <jcoxon> glad i found it though
[14:08] <jonsowman> :)
[14:09] <UpuWork> hwhnp not intentionally but its quite a violent event so it could shake the power or something
[14:09] <UpuWork> its a very outside chance
[14:09] <jcoxon> as now i'm happy that the setup is more solid
[14:09] <jonsowman> jcoxon: great
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[14:20] <UpuWork> so its either floating (likely) or coming down (unlikely 1600g don't do down)
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[14:22] <russss> UKHAS: what goes up, will probably come down eventually, but probably not when you expect it to.
[14:22] <jcoxon> russss, or where
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[14:23] <hwhnp> burst already happened right?
[14:23] <jcoxon> UpuWork, the ascent rate was pretty good
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[14:23] <jcoxon> good enough to avoid float
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[14:23] <Upu-> yup I'd agree jcoxon
[14:23] <costyn> ok... well we'll have to wait for the gps/gsm tracker to respond
[14:24] <Upu-> however 120 mins in the air so it should disappearing from my range soon
[14:24] <Upu-> unless it is floating
[14:24] <costyn> well floating would be ok, means it's going further inland says Tim
[14:24] <hwhnp> who is still tuned in on pd4ta?
[14:25] <Dutch-Mill> I'm
[14:25] <Upu-> ah its fading
[14:25] <Upu-> on its way down
[14:26] <Dutch-Mill> Strong signal but no modulation
[14:26] <Upu-> ok I've just lost it so its on its way down
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[14:27] <Dutch-Mill> Yep fading indicates that it's going down
[14:27] <fsphil-laptop> ooh burst?
[14:27] <Upu-> a while ago probably
[14:27] <costyn> hi guys Tim here
[14:27] <Upu-> hi Tim
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[14:27] <fsphil-laptop> anyone trying direction finding?
[14:27] <costyn> thanks a friggin million for helpinh
[14:27] <Upu-> its burst
[14:27] <costyn> helping
[14:27] <costyn> my presentation went very well i think
[14:27] <costyn> and we have got a lot more HAB enthousiasts in holland thats for sure
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[14:28] <fsphil-laptop> you certainly got a lot of people listening in over there
[14:28] <hwhnp> lost signal now?
[14:28] <Dutch-Mill> Lets hope it starts transmitting < 15.000m
[14:29] <fsphil-laptop> fingers crossed
[14:29] <Lunar_Lander2> hello costyn and Tim I tried to receive here
[14:29] <hwhnp> still carrier on 434.655.91 here
[14:29] <Lunar_Lander2> but it may have been too low first
[14:29] <Dutch-Mill> ping Costyn : waarziet je
[14:29] <Dutch-Mill> zit
[14:29] <Lunar_Lander2> and then it already had failed when it was high enough
[14:30] <Lunar_Lander2> also, I couldn't find my audio cable :(
[14:30] <fsphil-laptop> I got diverted then lost on the way up here ;)
[14:30] <jcoxon> fsphil-laptop, can you clear the predictor cache?
[14:30] <fsphil-laptop> yea jcoxon, one sec
[14:30] <jonsowman> fsphil-laptop: sudo rm -rf /var/www/cusf-standalone-predictor/gfs/*
[14:31] <jonsowman> also
[14:31] <jonsowman> sudo rm -rf /tmp/pydap-cache/*
[14:31] <Lunar_Lander2> Tim via costyn : congratulations for your talk
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[14:33] <fsphil-laptop> try now
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[14:35] <costyn> Dutch-Mill: I'm in Delft with Tim
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[14:40] <costyn> no signal yet right?
[14:40] <costyn> still only carrier?
[14:41] <hwhnp> yes
[14:41] <Dutch-Mill> Yes
[14:41] <hwhnp> around 434.655?
[14:42] <Dutch-Mill> ping hwhnp : whats your location DH south / west /east ?
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[14:43] <hwhnp> do you see station pa4ma?
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[14:44] <hwhnp> south the hague kwintsheul
[14:46] <hwhnp> no carrier here anymore
[14:46] <hwhnp> it's landed i guess
[14:49] <Dutch-Mill> Yes signal's gone @s-gravenzande
[14:49] <hwhnp> carrier on 434.685.28?
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[14:51] <Dutch-Mill> hwhnp There is a QRM source @ Hoek van Holland btw
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[14:54] <hwhnp> ok
[14:54] <hwhnp> i'm gonna shutdown my station here
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[14:55] <jcoxon> hmmm my internetz is playing up
[14:55] <Lunar_Lander2> hi daveake
[14:55] <Dutch-Mill> bedankt! hwhnp... I'm out for the comming 50 mins
[14:55] <daveake> Afternoooon
[14:55] <jcoxon> for example can't access sparkfun
[14:55] <Dutch-Mill> Bye
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[14:56] <number10> afternoon
[14:57] <daveake> I've put in an application for a December launch.
[14:57] <daveake> Suppose I'd better get a payload built :p
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[14:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hello, status on PD4TA ?
[15:02] <Lunar_Lander2> hi OZ1SKY_Brian
[15:02] <Lunar_Lander2> it could have landed by now
[15:02] <Lunar_Lander2> but the flight computer crashed on the ascent
[15:02] <daveake> oh
[15:02] <Lunar_Lander2> at about 13.4 km
[15:02] <daveake> no data at all after then?
[15:03] <Lunar_Lander2> the SSTV downlink was lost with the computer crash I think
[15:03] <daveake> Shame
[15:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Lunar_Lander2: oh ok thats a shame
[15:03] <Lunar_Lander2> there is a reboot feature that activates 3 h after a point
[15:04] <Lunar_Lander2> I don't know if after a crash or after launch
[15:04] <Lunar_Lander2> but also a GSM tracker, so they can still have the SMS to find it
[15:04] <Lunar_Lander2> yeah daveake and OZ1SKY_Brian
[15:05] <Lunar_Lander2> OZ1SKY_Brian, will you be there when Atlas 3 flies?
[15:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Lunar_Lander2: when is that?
[15:05] <Lunar_Lander2> it was planned to fly yesterday but there were technical problems
[15:05] <Lunar_Lander2> jcoxon, are you there?
[15:06] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander2, yes but briefly
[15:06] <jcoxon> how can i help?
[15:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Lunar_Lander2: i will try to be, it depends on when the liftoff is
[15:06] <jcoxon> oh right
[15:06] <jcoxon> the plan for Atlas 3 is launch on friday evening
[15:07] <jcoxon> its got a slightly different predicted flight path - north east towards Sweden
[15:07] <Upu-> afternoon OZ1SKY welcome back :)
[15:07] Nick change: Upu- -> Upu
[15:08] <Lunar_Lander2> YAY
[15:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> got i weak carrier on 434.650 ?
[15:08] <Lunar_Lander2> it'll fly right to OZ1SKY_Brian
[15:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu: thanks
[15:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ahh 434.650 was a repeater
[15:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 70cm bandplan is different here in scandinavia, so we got other trafic
[15:09] <Lunar_Lander2> yea
[15:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Friday afternoon should be possible
[15:09] <Lunar_Lander2> DH1BDL said he tried to listen to the payload on 1:50 pm UTC but didn't hear it
[15:10] <Lunar_Lander2> I just told him that the payload computer crashed
[15:11] <Lunar_Lander2> OZ1SKY_Brian, sounds good :)
[15:11] <Lunar_Lander2> you should be able to hear my balloons too when we finally get to launch
[15:11] <Lunar_Lander2> :)
[15:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Lunar_Lander2: looking forward to that
[15:12] <Lunar_Lander2> yeah
[15:13] <Lunar_Lander2> :)
[15:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Tropospheric ducting forecast looks good for a friday launch too
[15:14] <Lunar_Lander2> sounds good
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[15:15] <hwhnp> already new updates?
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[15:44] <costyn> yea
[15:45] <costyn> Tim just got a call
[15:45] <costyn> some lady found the payload
[15:45] <costyn> gonna go to collect it now
[15:45] <SpeedEvil> Woo!
[15:45] <SpeedEvil> Congrats!
[15:45] <SpeedEvil> I guess in .nl that's rather more likely in .au
[15:46] <daveake> excellent :)
[15:48] <costyn> haha she called the cops first
[15:48] <costyn> they said 'yea no problem'
[15:48] <costyn> haha
[15:48] <costyn> gonna get in the car
[15:48] <costyn> we'll check in later
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[15:50] <SamSilver> great news
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[15:54] <fsphil-laptop> did the images update ok?
[15:55] <jcoxon> at hte time yes
[15:57] <fsphil-laptop> oh payload was found
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[16:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Great new on the payload
[16:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> new=news
[16:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Are all knowen european launches posted on the ukhas maillist ?
[16:06] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, no
[16:06] <jcoxon> though it would be good if they were
[16:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon: ok are there other lists i should look at ?
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[16:07] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, in the US its usually on GPSL or Ballooning
[16:08] <jcoxon> but thats it to my knowledge
[16:08] <jcoxon> launches also get posted here:
[16:08] <jcoxon> http://www.arhab.org/ARHABlaunchannouncements.html
[16:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon: ok not much chance to puck up US launches here.
[16:08] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, perhaps some of hte HF launches
[16:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon: Thanks. Well my HF setup is pretty poor, so not alot of chances there
[16:10] <fsphil-laptop> 10m was pretty excellent today
[16:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fsphil-laptop: thats right
[16:10] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, but yeah the UKHAS list is probably the one for Europe
[16:11] <jcoxon> there aren't that many launches in europe though
[16:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon: ok im on that
[16:12] <jcoxon> great
[16:12] <jcoxon> as we might need you for Atlas3!
[16:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon: ill do that i can, if im home, ill be monitoring
[16:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> erhh that=what
[16:13] <jcoxon> yeah it might be a long flight
[16:13] <jcoxon> like the Apex flight
[16:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon: im on standby call all week, so i cant say for sure
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[16:15] <jcoxon> thats okay
[16:15] <jcoxon> we'll keep you updated
[16:15] <fsphil-laptop> when it's likely to go jcoxon?
[16:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon: i gess the time of launch will be posted on the maillist, then ill try to be here
[16:16] <jcoxon> fsphil-laptop, friday eve
[16:16] <jcoxon> 1800GMT
[16:16] <jcoxon> ish
[16:16] <fsphil-laptop> ah, great
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[16:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon: thats a great time, lots should be able to join in
[16:17] <Dutch-Mill> ping costyn : ?
[16:17] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, yeah it'll be a long flight
[16:17] <jcoxon> hopefully
[16:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon: is it a slow acent and what is it mission vs duration of the flight?
[16:17] <jcoxon> well into Saturday
[16:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon: sounds great.
[16:18] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, the aim is to purposely float it (like on Apex which wasn't planned)
[16:18] <jcoxon> but to see if it'll start floating at night (everytime we've launched its been during the day)
[16:18] <jcoxon> if it is possible to get them to float at night then we might be able to do longer flights
[16:18] <jcoxon> its all a bit of an experiement
[16:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon: breaking news gound, should be interesting
[16:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> news=new stupid keyboard, heh
[16:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i gotta run, see you hopefully Friday.
[16:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> cheers
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[17:25] Action: costyn is back home
[17:25] <costyn> we retrieved Space Camera 2 Live succesfully
[17:25] <costyn> it landed on a sidewalk in front an appartment complex
[17:25] <costyn> just 30 meters further south and it would have landed in a big riber
[17:25] <costyn> river
[17:26] <costyn> unclear what failed yet... Tim will be investigating later
[17:26] <costyn> the system still had power so something crashed
[17:34] <NigelMoby> Good to hear u got it back :)
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[17:47] <Lunar_Lander> back
[17:47] <SAIDias> hi
[17:47] Nick change: SAIDias -> W0OTM
[17:47] <Lunar_Lander> hi W0OTM how are you?
[17:48] <W0OTM> im good good
[17:48] <W0OTM> u
[17:48] <Lunar_Lander> me too, thanks
[17:48] <Lunar_Lander> nice to see you again
[17:48] <W0OTM> good to be here
[17:48] <W0OTM> been playing lots of radio, bands are GRERAT!
[17:48] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[17:49] <Lunar_Lander> I tried my luck with Tim's balloon in holland
[17:49] <Lunar_Lander> but as you might have heard, the computer on it crashed
[17:49] <W0OTM> Tim's balloon?
[17:49] <W0OTM> No, I have been out of the loop
[17:49] <Lunar_Lander> yes, TimZaman's "Space Camera Live 2"
[17:49] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> he launched in Delft, and I thought I could hear it like I could hear Apex Alpha
[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> but then it transpired that the computer on it must have crashed about half an hour after launch
[17:50] <W0OTM> ohno
[17:51] <W0OTM> that sucks
[17:52] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[17:52] <Lunar_Lander> costyn, did the SMS tracker work?
[17:53] <Lunar_Lander> W0OTM, your cutdown from the demo video
[17:53] <Lunar_Lander> was it a hot-wire one?
[17:53] <Lunar_Lander> I can't remember
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[17:57] <Dan-K2VOL> his was a simple through-hole resistor being over powered to heat up
[17:59] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:00] <Lunar_Lander> I was just wondering
[18:00] <Lunar_Lander> you all surely know that "PDF Book" by Paul Verhage?
[18:00] <Lunar_Lander> if we should make a new one
[18:01] <Lunar_Lander> cause his is from like 2005
[18:02] <W0OTM> Lunar_Lander: its a 10ohm resistor
[18:02] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:02] <Lunar_Lander> and then when you overpower it, it overheats so to speak
[18:02] <fsphil> W0OTM, 10m was great today -- was listening a bit from the mountain, though I couldn't transmit (wrong antennna)
[18:03] <W0OTM> fsphil: I made a crap ton of DX QSO
[18:03] <W0OTM> Lunar_Lander: that exactly what mine does. I "burnup" a resistor eah flight
[18:04] <fsphil> next time I'm up there I must bring a good antenna. it's well away from electrical noise so I'd hear things I don't normally do
[18:05] <Lunar_Lander> ah W0OTM
[18:05] <Lunar_Lander> thanks for the explaination
[18:05] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[18:06] <W0OTM> you guys see this?
[18:06] <W0OTM> http://www.ihabproject.com/BallooMerang/BM-1/TestFlight-4/Ascent_1.jpg
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[18:06] <W0OTM> http://www.ihabproject.com/BallooMerang/BM-1/TestFlight-4/Ascent_2.jpg
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[18:10] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
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[18:11] <Dutch-Mill> Nice work !
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[18:11] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: no, it was the phone number on the outside. some lady found it and called Tim
[18:12] <Dutch-Mill> ping costyn : waar was die precies geland?
[18:12] <costyn> Dutch-Mill: Delfshaven, vlka bij de Maas
[18:13] <Dutch-Mill> Nice to have it back ;-)
[18:13] <Lunar_Lander> cool costyn !
[18:14] <fsphil> I don't speak dutch but that's strangely understandable :)
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[18:14] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:18] <Lunar_Lander> wb Upu
[18:18] <costyn> fsphil: :)
[18:20] <costyn> Dutch-Mill: it landed here: http://g.co/maps/hszja
[18:23] <Upu> Darkside I appear to have a support ticket replied too :)
[18:23] <Upu> feel free to login as me to read the response to the ticket I didn't log :)
[18:23] <Upu> Hi Lunar
[18:23] <Upu> So payload recovered from this afternoon ?
[18:24] <Lunar_Lander> yes, costyn said that a lady phoned the number on the payload
[18:24] <Upu> great stuff
[18:24] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: not after first calling the police who said 'uhh well we don't know.. bring it to the city council'
[18:25] <costyn> she wasn't the sharpest
[18:25] <Upu> lol
[18:26] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[18:36] <costyn> and she also ripped open the payload
[18:36] <costyn> guess curiosity got the better of her
[18:36] <SpeedEvil> Damaged?
[18:36] <fsphil> eek
[18:37] <costyn> no not really
[18:37] <costyn> just silly
[18:38] <costyn> she opened one of the sides too, not the top
[18:38] <costyn> everything was still blinking along merilly inside
[18:38] <costyn> well not everything
[18:39] <SpeedEvil> :)
[18:39] <SpeedEvil> What was this - a gumstix and a sstv camera?
[18:39] <SpeedEvil> Anymore?
[18:39] <SpeedEvil> err
[18:39] <SpeedEvil> beagleboard
[18:39] <costyn> SpeedEvil: beagleboard and canon camera with a gps-bee
[18:39] <SpeedEvil> Ah!
[18:40] <SpeedEvil> The canon got pics?
[18:40] <costyn> yes
[18:40] <costyn> with gphoto
[18:40] <costyn> and then encoded them and sent them along at 600baud
[18:40] <costyn> which worked great for the first 45 minutes or so
[18:40] <SpeedEvil> I mean - does thecanon have pics stored, in theabsence of pics transmitted.
[18:41] <costyn> SpeedEvil: unfortunately not, it seems the beaglbboard stopped giving it commands to take pictures
[18:42] <costyn> so when it stopped transmitting it also stopped taking picutres
[18:42] <costyn> there were 2 cheapo keychain camera's onboard
[18:42] <costyn> anyways i have to go, got to go give the missus some attention
[18:42] <costyn> will upload pics and video later
[18:42] <costyn> ttyl
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[18:45] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[18:48] <GW8RAK> "got to go give the missus some attention". Lucky lad :)
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[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> hello GW8RAK
[19:00] <fsphil> lol
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[19:05] <GW8RAK> Evening Lunar
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[19:15] <hibby> evening Dan-K2VOL
[19:15] <Dan-K2VOL> hi hibby
[19:17] <hibby> well, afternoon for you
[19:17] <hibby> busy day at work?
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[19:30] <Dan-K2VOL> yes indeed! figuring out how to retrofit old refrigerants in an environmental test chamber with modern equivalents
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[20:16] <NigeyS> jonsowman, RE that vreg query, looking at the datasheet, has me confused, for the sot223 package, it has the tab as vout, but also pin 2 is output .. confused.. as on our schematic tab isnt connected..
[20:17] <jonsowman> tab as vout? that's unusual
[20:17] <jonsowman> linky?
[20:17] <Upu> http://www.national.com/ds/LM/LM1117.pdf
[20:17] <jonsowman> how strange
[20:17] <jonsowman> well, there you go
[20:17] <jonsowman> leave it unconnected if you like i guess
[20:17] <Upu> "how strange" = pick another reg
[20:18] <NigeyS> lol
[20:18] <hibby> 02 phoned to ask what we were downloading 200GB/month of.
[20:18] <hibby> I said legal torrents, and the man told me that wasn't possible.
[20:18] <daveake> !!
[20:18] <jonsowman> haha
[20:18] <NigeyS> jonsowman, in fact, it even has tab as vout for the normal through hoole version to, and ive never once connected that :|
[20:18] <Upu> hibby correct answer p0rn and warez why do you ask and whilst you're on the phone what the f?ck has it got to do with you get lost and don't bother me again there are 1001 ISP's out there who are willing to take my money
[20:19] <hibby> I then informed him to look at the GPL and if I could talk to his superior about just taht, Upu
[20:19] <jonsowman> NigeyS: then don't connect the tab
[20:19] <Upu> even though its Vout ?
[20:19] <daveake> Upu Correct response :)
[20:19] <NigeyS> Upu, case solved, leave it unconnected..lol
[20:19] <jonsowman> Upu: just use the output pin for Vout
[20:19] <Upu> ok
[20:19] <Upu> tab can be used as heat sink though ?
[20:19] <jonsowman> are you drawing much current through this thing?
[20:19] <NigeyS> err.. 300ish
[20:19] <NigeyS> for the 3v3
[20:20] <jonsowman> yeah it'll be fine
[20:20] <jonsowman> won't need a heatsink
[20:20] <NigeyS> think the hx1 is 140
[20:20] <NigeyS> awsome, no heatsinks upu, we can direct all the heat to the radiometrix crystals, keep them nice and toasty :D
[20:21] <Upu> yeah another question
[20:21] <jonsowman> don't connect Vout to the crystal case
[20:21] <Upu> I've mounted these on the rear of the PCB
[20:21] <jonsowman> that will make bad things happen
[20:21] <jonsowman> lol
[20:21] <Upu> opposite the NTX2 crystals which are on the other side
[20:21] <NigeyS> oo god no, not physicallt connected lol, just nice and close
[20:21] <Upu> any bad things may happen (TM) ?
[20:22] <jonsowman> that should be fine, the NTX is well shielded
[20:22] <Upu> ok
[20:22] <jonsowman> also you'd be unlucky to have the reg switching frequency in the radio filter passband
[20:22] <jonsowman> so yea, should be fine
[20:23] <NigeyS> oh good, tnx jon :D
[20:23] <jonsowman> still a weird reg
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[20:24] <NigeyS> does kinda buck the trend a little don't it
[20:24] <jonsowman> yeah
[20:24] <jonsowman> :\
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[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> back
[20:26] <costyn> back
[20:26] <costyn> some pics of Space Cam Live ground operations: http://www.flickr.com/photos/costyn/sets/72157627952350215/
[20:30] <DanielRichman> NigeyS: tab as Vout? :D i remember that fun. This is what I had to do to the alien1 pcb after it started getting... strangely hot... whenever switched on: http://i.imgur.com/D2odV.jpg
[20:31] <NigeyS> *looks*
[20:31] <jonsowman> haha
[20:31] <jonsowman> wow
[20:32] <NigeyS> oh my, thats kinda not good! lol
[20:32] <DanielRichman> that thing worked solid. never let us down
[20:32] <DanielRichman> ... well it only flew once
[20:32] <DanielRichman> but it was a textbook flight
[20:32] <DanielRichman> :P
[20:33] <NigeyS> my confidence level in this part is not quite as much as it should be .. for the record..lol
[20:38] <Dan-K2VOL> anyone very good at java/android decompilation? your assistance is needed for the good of the HAB community
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[20:44] <fsphil> microsphone to handheld radio
[20:44] <fsphil> nice
[20:44] <costyn> fsphil: heheh yea pretty high tech eh
[20:45] <costyn> fsphil: that was only for testing at the launch site tho
[20:45] <fsphil> hey it works :)
[20:45] <fsphil> I notice the glitchy images, wrong version of dl-fldigi :)
[20:45] <costyn> fsphil: what do you mean?
[20:45] <fsphil> the live images on the laptop screen seem to have coloured blocks on them
[20:47] <costyn> ah yes... Tim said it wasn't a problem, not sure was what going on there
[20:47] <fsphil> wasn't.. just a small change in the format, didn't affect the uploads
[20:47] <costyn> we did get a couple of clean images on the website tho, even though I didn't seen anywithout glitches on the ssdv rx image
[20:48] <fsphil> yea it was just the way it displayed them that was changed. the actual data was fine
[20:48] <costyn> ok
[20:48] <fsphil> that'll all be fixed properly in the next release
[20:50] <costyn> encoding some video I shot today for upload to vimeo
[20:50] <costyn> my laptop seems to be taking off it's making so much noise
[20:50] <fsphil> lol
[20:51] <fsphil> mine did that doing the conference videos -- which reminds me I've still two left to encode
[20:51] <costyn> it's kinda weird, it's a macbook air, i'm used to it making no noise at all.
[20:53] <costyn> just discovered mpegstreamclip can join multiple .mov's together too
[20:54] <costyn> it's really an amazingly useful tool
[20:55] <fsphil> nice
[20:56] <fsphil> everyone using macs these days?
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[20:59] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0IVuGK7sAw&feature=related :)
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[21:15] <Upu> For Darkside when he wakes up :
[21:15] <Upu> http://imagebin.org/183012
[21:15] <Upu> http://imagebin.org/183013
[21:15] <Upu> http://imagebin.org/183014
[21:15] <Upu> http://imagebin.org/183015
[21:17] <number10> from what I remember of the last pics it looks like you have totally relaid the board Upu - lots of work
[21:17] <Upu> yeah I have
[21:17] <Upu> no serial under NEO-6
[21:18] <Upu> no right angles on antenna lines
[21:18] <Upu> microstrips on them
[21:18] <Upu> heatsinks (though not needed )
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> costyn, cool photos of the launch
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[22:02] <Darkside> Upu: looking good
[22:02] <Upu> hey Darkside
[22:02] <Darkside> still some more changes to
[22:02] <Upu> shoot
[22:02] <NigeyS> uhoh
[22:02] <Darkside> more clearance around the microstrip, if you can (though for this distance it won't mater much)
[22:03] <Upu> ok
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> hi NigeyS
[22:03] <NigeyS> hi kev
[22:03] <Darkside> and the traces on teh crystal, the one on fthe left in http://imagebin.org/183012
[22:03] <Upu> yeah
[22:03] <Darkside> the crystal traces should be as short as possible
[22:03] <Upu> ah yeah going via the via
[22:03] <Upu> rgr
[22:03] <Darkside> i.e. directly to the pins on the micro if you can
[22:04] <NigeyS> how the heck did you spot that?
[22:04] <Darkside> also no pressure sensor?
[22:04] <Upu> yeah
[22:04] <Upu> underneth the ATMega
[22:04] <Darkside> ahh i see
[22:05] <Upu> there is alot of stuff on this board
[22:06] <Darkside> next thing you will want to do is modify the silkscreen overlay stuff
[22:06] <Darkside> as theres way too much on it at the moment
[22:06] <Upu> aye
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[22:07] <Darkside> remove all the component values
[22:08] <Darkside> just have the designators, its all yuo really need
[22:08] <Upu> rgr
[22:09] <Upu> I put the vregs directly under the crystals
[22:09] <Upu> with a small heat sink
[22:09] <Upu> so if they get warm it should heat the crystals up ?
[22:09] <Darkside> which will make the teansmitter drift down? sure :P
[22:09] <NigeyS> evening RocketBoy
[22:09] <Darkside> nah, should be ok
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander> hi rocketBoy
[22:10] <Darkside> dunno if thats really enough heatsinking, but i tt should be ok
[22:10] <Darkside> hmm
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander> RocketBoy did we talk about the Elektor magazine Gamma detector?
[22:10] <RocketBoy> Lunar_Lander: yep
[22:10] <NigeyS> Darkside, are they likely to need a huge amount of sinking with the temp's we get to ?
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander> Elektor Germany now has a new article on it
[22:11] <Darkside> NigeyS: you don't want it to melt after it lands
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> they made a new PCB and a display
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> but I also found that Application note at Maxim
[22:11] <Darkside> Upu: the trace running from the -ve terminal on the power socket
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> I bought myself the resistors and capacitors
[22:11] <Darkside> whats that for?
[22:11] <NigeyS> Darkside, ahh i see, fair point, hadnt thought of that, or before it gets up high enough to get really cold..
[22:11] <RocketBoy> oh right - that will probably help with stability
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> and today I got the appropiate OpAmps
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> so we could try the Maxim circuit
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> well, after getting a photocell
[22:11] <Upu> checking Darkside
[22:12] <RocketBoy> Lunar_Lander: is the german elector cct based on op-amps?
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> the new one
[22:12] <Upu> mislabled Darkside, + is actually GND
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[22:12] <Darkside> it could just be the silkscreen being off
[22:12] <RocketBoy> yes
[22:12] <Darkside> ok
[22:12] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[22:12] <Darkside> next step
[22:12] <Darkside> add more ground vias!
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> they got 2 i there
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> *in
[22:12] <Darkside> i'm seeing ground loops all over the place
[22:13] <Darkside> vias are free, use them
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> 2 OpAmps
[22:13] <Upu> everytime I add a via god kills a kitten and Tsevan from Olimex charges me more money
[22:13] <RocketBoy> Lunar_Lander: any chance of a scan of the article?
[22:13] <Darkside> Upu: what
[22:13] <Darkside> Upu: how big is that board
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> RocketBoy: can do that tomorrow
[22:13] <Upu> not very
[22:13] <Upu> ok more vias
[22:13] <Darkside> dimensions?
[22:13] <RocketBoy> Lunar_Lander I can get you a scan of the english article if you need it
[22:13] <Upu> Darkside is like Epic Meal time for PCB's .. Moarrrr vias!
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[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> sound sgood
[22:14] <Darkside> Upu: yeah, why are you manufacturing with olimex :P
[22:14] <Darkside> use seeedstudio
[22:14] <Upu> Always been pretty good at Olimex
[22:14] <Darkside> that board can't be much more than 5x5cm
[22:14] <NigeyS> Upu, i was gonna get these done in red at seeedstudio
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[22:14] <Upu> no problems ok more vias noted
[22:14] <Darkside> Upu: places to start with vias...
[22:15] <Darkside> just above the power connector
[22:15] <Darkside> near the regulators ground pins
[22:15] <Darkside> the aim is to make the path from whatever is drawing current back to ground as short as possible
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> RocketBoy: Can I send you a PDF to the Random Engineering address?
[22:16] <Darkside> even better would be to make the current flow back on the same path it took to get to the component
[22:16] <RocketBoy> Lunar_Lander: thanks
[22:16] <Darkside> but that may not be possible
[22:16] <Upu> that might be a little out of my skill range
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> you are welcome
[22:16] <Darkside> Upu: just plonk more ground vias down and i'll take another look
[22:17] <Darkside> if this works well, i'm seriously considering making one :P
[22:17] <Upu> No problems I'll have another play with it tommorrow night
[22:17] <Upu> I'm just trying ideas out at the moment
[22:17] <Upu> no where near final yet but appreciate the assistance
[22:17] <Darkside> though i can see this is going to be a bitch to construct
[22:18] <Upu> yeah
[22:18] <Upu> 0805 comps
[22:18] <NigeyS> Darkside, dont say that! lol
[22:18] <Darkside> nah
[22:18] <fsphil> easy peasy
[22:18] <Darkside> 0805 is fine
[22:18] <NigeyS> hah
[22:18] <Darkside> actually
[22:18] <Upu> I'll shuffle the crystal about
[22:18] <Darkside> nah, this won't be as hard as the micronut board
[22:18] <NigeyS> nothing will ever be as hard as the micronut!
[22:18] <Darkside> Upu: what are the dimensions of the PCB?
[22:18] <Upu> checking
[22:19] <Darkside> NigeyS: wait until i start using QFN components
[22:19] <NigeyS> you couldnt get another thing on that board if u tried!
[22:19] <Darkside> NigeyS: well, i could
[22:19] <Darkside> next version will have microSD
[22:19] <NigeyS> lol you just like torturing yourself i swear!
[22:19] <Upu> 55mm x 50mm
[22:19] <Darkside> Upu: damm
[22:19] <Darkside> just outside the 5x5cm range :P
[22:19] <Darkside> so it'll cost $25 to get 10 boards made up with seeed
[22:19] <Darkside> actually, $35 - you ant 100% e-test
[22:20] <Upu> I'll see if I can get it down to 5x5
[22:20] <Darkside> and maybe more for the red, so maybe $45
[22:20] <Darkside> Upu: don't bother
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[22:20] <Darkside> too much work to do that
[22:20] <Upu> nah there is a big gap on the left
[22:20] <Upu> well by big not very
[22:20] <TimZaman> oh hi
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> hey TimZaman
[22:20] <Upu> Ah Mr Z
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> congratulations on the happy end of the flight
[22:20] <TimZaman> the T to the Z
[22:21] <TimZaman> when did i launch
[22:21] <TimZaman> who has any idea :P
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:21] <TimZaman> oh yeah i just check jharrisons raw log
[22:21] <Upu> ok dog needs a walk
[22:21] <Upu> back soon
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> I think at 1:30 pm our time
[22:21] <Upu> thx Mark
[22:21] <NigeyS> Darkside, think its $10 for a diff colour
[22:21] <RocketBoy> Upu: is it tomorrow night?
[22:21] <fsphil> roughly today
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman, I asked a ham friend of mine to listen in, but that was at 2:50 pm our time and he couldn't hear it anymore
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> but that was after the computer crash IIRC
[22:22] <TimZaman> cant find raw logs
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[22:22] <TimZaman> i got all the times though
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[22:24] <fsphil> PD4TA,143,13:25:46,52.0018,4.3720,20.3,9*7F20
[22:24] <fsphil> first string after launch
[22:24] <TimZaman> thanks
[22:24] <TimZaman> i have this
[22:24] <Darkside> oh yes, waht happened
[22:24] <fsphil> any theory what happened yet?
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[22:25] <TimZaman> launch: 13:35 .. burst 15:11 .. touchdown 15:50 .. recovery 15:57
[22:25] <TimZaman> lets do the math
[22:25] <Darkside> so the gsm tracker saved you?
[22:25] <TimZaman> old lady beat me to it
[22:26] <TimZaman> first she thought it was a bomb
[22:26] <TimZaman> so she torn the thing open (very logical)
[22:26] <TimZaman> then she called me (i didnt answer, i was watching the TEDx conference)
[22:26] <TimZaman> then she called the cops.
[22:26] <Darkside> lol
[22:26] <TimZaman> The cops said it's okay
[22:26] <TimZaman> then i called her, then picked it up
[22:26] <TimZaman> 15min drive
[22:26] <TimZaman> okay but the ascent rate was..
[22:27] <TimZaman> 6ms?
[22:27] <Darkside> 5 i think
[22:27] <TimZaman> what would the altitude be?
[22:27] <TimZaman> 36km probably
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[22:29] <Darkside> Upu: another change
[22:30] <Darkside> do you *Really* need the 5-pin header
[22:30] <Darkside> you can program the thing via the ISP
[22:30] <fsphil> camera :)
[22:30] <Darkside> yes
[22:30] <Darkside> but it doesnt need 5 pins
[22:30] <fsphil> yea
[22:30] <Darkside> you only need 4
[22:30] <Darkside> this means you can remove the gigangic reset line trace
[22:30] <TimZaman> okay so did anyone check out the TEDx livestream
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[22:30] <fsphil> I think nigey wanted the 5th line to do the programming thingy
[22:31] <Darkside> oh well NigeyS has a ISP
[22:31] <Darkside> so he can use that :P
[22:31] <NigeyS> i can do isp now
[22:31] <NigeyS> if its that or risk a problem with the 5th pin, lets lose the 5th pin
[22:31] <fsphil> TimZaman, was it recorded?
[22:31] <TimZaman> Oh Yes
[22:31] <TimZaman> they are going to edit it
[22:32] <TimZaman> but this is the whole day in one stream
[22:32] <TimZaman> http://www.tedxdelft.nl/streaming/
[22:32] <TimZaman> im at 3h38m
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[22:32] <fsphil> calculated 5.95 m/s .. 6 is close enough :)
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> how long will it be available TimZaman ?
[22:33] <TimZaman> fsphil: is that accurate?
[22:33] <fsphil> worked that out from three telemetry strings 1 minute apart
[22:33] <TimZaman> superb
[22:33] <TimZaman> okay so lets extrapolate
[22:34] <TimZaman> 106 minutes..
[22:34] <TimZaman> 37842!
[22:34] <fsphil> 96 minutes in the air?
[22:34] <TimZaman> rly?
[22:35] <fsphil> I may have gotten a number wrong there
[22:35] <TimZaman> 11+25+60
[22:35] <TimZaman> ehhhh
[22:35] <TimZaman> 11+35+60
[22:35] <Darkside> TimZaman: any ideas what broke yet?
[22:35] <TimZaman> Yeah 100% sure a major process broke within ubuntu
[22:35] <fsphil> 15x60+11 - 13*60+35
[22:35] <Upu> evening RocketBoy yes I believe it is tommorrow night
[22:36] <Darkside> TimZaman: you flew ubuntu
[22:36] <TimZaman> headless
[22:36] <Darkside> oh god
[22:36] <fsphil> lol
[22:36] <TimZaman> Darkside: did that last time. Work like a charm
[22:36] <TimZaman> At least i didnt cover friggin 1500km
[22:36] <Darkside> obviously not always like a charm
[22:36] <Upu> RocketBoy http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0178k6x
[22:36] <Darkside> something died
[22:37] <Upu> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00ll139
[22:37] <TimZaman> Darkside: how would you do it then
[22:37] <Darkside> TimZaman: i'm still plannong on using linux
[22:37] <TimZaman> Again, my question
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[22:37] <Darkside> i wouldn't have X or anything like that
[22:37] <fsphil> I calculate 34272m
[22:37] <TimZaman> i dont use X
[22:37] <Darkside> and i'd have an external watchdog
[22:37] <Upu> what am I loosing from the board Darkside ?
[22:37] <Darkside> no ping from the main code within a minute, and it resets the board
[22:37] <TimZaman> external watchdog is still no insurance
[22:38] <fsphil> flying linux would be neat
[22:38] <NigeyS> Upu, pin 5 on the serial header
[22:38] <Darkside> TimZaman: it protects against software crashes
[22:38] <TimZaman> *because the last picture it took was this one http://www.timzaman.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/193455raw-150x150.jpg *
[22:38] <fsphil> I still hope to make a linux-powered board some day :) or fly the raspberry pi -- assuming I can get one
[22:38] <Darkside> well, to a certain point
[22:38] <TimZaman> *and this is weird since its facing straight down*
[22:38] <Darkside> fsphil: not many IOS on that
[22:38] <Darkside> IOs*
[22:38] <Upu> ok
[22:38] <fsphil> true
[22:38] <fsphil> the beaglebone would be better for hab'ing
[22:38] <Darkside> yeah
[22:39] <Darkside> lots of 3.3v IOs
[22:39] <TimZaman> already ordered the bone
[22:39] <Darkside> thats what i want to try
[22:39] <Darkside> i'll make a codpiece for it :P
[22:39] <Darkside> CAPE
[22:39] <Darkside> i mean cape
[22:39] <Darkside> >_>
[22:39] <fsphil> I'll hold until the video adapter is out -- be neat to have it on a big screen :)
[22:39] <Darkside> fsphil: bah
[22:39] <Darkside> why do you need video on a balloon payload
[22:39] <Darkside> it has ethernet, you program and control it via ssh
[22:40] <Darkside> or you turn the power hungry ethernet off and program it via serial
[22:40] <fsphil> oh that's not for the balloon, just think it would be neat to have such a small device running on a big screen
[22:40] <Darkside> ahh true
[22:40] <Darkside> dunno if i'd use the beaglebone for that
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[22:40] <Darkside> hasn't got a massive amount of processing power
[22:40] <fsphil> I'd like to get Fedora ARM running at some point
[22:40] <NigeyS> hey jcoxon
[22:40] <Darkside> i wouldn't want to run dl-dldigi on it :P
[22:40] <NigeyS> that gps all sorted now ?
[22:40] <Darkside> dl-fldigi*
[22:41] <fsphil> ah no lol
[22:41] <fsphil> though it would be quite capable of doing rtty in software -- if we could find a cheap small SSB receiver module
[22:41] <fsphil> oh wait, funcube dongle
[22:41] <Darkside> fsphil: current draw rising, current draw rising
[22:42] <NigeyS> lol
[22:42] <Darkside> on the ground tho :P
[22:42] <Darkside> would be fun
[22:42] <fsphil> first HAB with lead acid battery
[22:42] <Darkside> i want to make a codpiece with a audio codec on it, and hook up a cheap 2m handheld
[22:43] <NigeyS> oo painful if 1 of them hits you at 8m/s lol phil
[22:43] <Darkside> then run an APRS digipeater
[22:43] <Darkside> NigeyS: i think a lead acid battery would land faster than 8m/s
[22:43] <fsphil> TimZaman, you got some fantastic receiver coverage
[22:43] <NigeyS> Darkside, i was being mega conservative..lol
[22:44] <fsphil> bah, that stream needs silverlight. fails
[22:44] <TimZaman> fsphil: they used lead batteries exclusively >20years ago
[22:44] <TimZaman> fsphil: why
[22:44] <fsphil> I don't have silverlight
[22:45] <RocketBoy> Upu: cheers
[22:47] <TimZaman> fsphil: what do you mean receiver coverage
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[22:47] <fsphil> TimZaman, people receiving the images
[22:47] <Darkside> yeah i got them from here!
[22:47] <fsphil> yay, thanks mplayer: mplayer "mms://collegerama-vs-media.tudelft.nl/mediasite/e3da4eda-d7d8-4ac8-b0f9-00d1ed8d69a0.wmv?playbackTicket=&site=collegerama.tudelft.nl"
[22:48] <Darkside> >_>
[22:48] <fsphil> that yagi must be pretty amazing Darkside ;)
[22:48] <jcoxon> evening all
[22:48] <TimZaman> oh fsphil you mean that there were a lot of peeps listening?
[22:49] <fsphil> TimZaman, yups!
[22:49] <fsphil> it's the best covered imaging flight yet
[22:49] <TimZaman> fsphil: yeah its amazing how quickly news spreads
[22:50] <fsphil> how far into this stream is it TimZaman ? I can't fast forward ;)
[22:50] <TimZaman> 3h38m
[22:51] <fsphil> oops lol
[22:51] <TimZaman> =D
[22:51] <fsphil> I better download it, watch it tomorrow
[22:51] <TimZaman> yeah, you could, or otherwise wait for the assembly
[22:51] <TimZaman> they will be edited seperately as well
[22:51] <fsphil> ah, I'll wait
[22:51] <TimZaman> it was rated as one of the top talks of the day, pretty awesome
[22:51] <TimZaman> too bad the system died
[22:52] <fsphil> I listened to your radio piece -- no idea what was said, but at least I know how to pronounce your name lol
[22:52] <TimZaman> hahahahahahah yeah
[22:52] <TimZaman> that was fun too
[22:52] <TimZaman> in a few weeks im helping a tv programme
[22:53] <fsphil> crikey
[22:53] <TimZaman> they want to do *exactly* the same as the BBC (that one with the doll)
[22:53] <fsphil> getting busy
[22:54] <TimZaman> got some pictures up at http://www.timzaman.nl/?page_id=1632&lang=en , have a video that i will add in 5 minutes
[22:55] <fsphil> aah pretty cloudy there
[22:55] <fsphil> was clear blue skies here
[22:56] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[22:57] <Upu> my what a large cylinder you have
[22:57] <fsphil> haha
[22:57] <jcoxon> interestingly
[22:57] <jcoxon> this fsa03 ublox 6 does not do well in the cold
[22:57] <jcoxon> it'll stop working below 0
[22:58] <jcoxon> i just warmed it up and now its working again
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[22:58] <Upu> hmm
[22:59] <Upu> thats not good if its the uBlox 6 thats the issue
[22:59] <Upu> however sure the data sheet said it's good to -40
[22:59] <jcoxon> yeah
[22:59] <jcoxon> i'm going to swap it out for a ublox 5 and see if its similar or different
[22:59] <Upu> -40'C -> 85'C
[23:03] <Laurenceb_> im guessing its the crystal oscillator
[23:04] <fsphil> the 6 has been flown before though? on the horus flights. Darkside?
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[23:05] <Laurenceb_> you could swap the TCXO with a hot air gun
[23:05] <Laurenceb_> not very fun :P
[23:05] <jcoxon> ummmmm
[23:05] <jcoxon> might leave that to last
[23:08] <TimZaman> fsphil: how do you download the entire stream?
[23:10] <fsphil> it seems to be coming down in real time
[23:14] <jcoxon> oooo now this is interesting
[23:15] <jcoxon> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=b5603f494c65afc607e261d5b93d4604940c1831
[23:15] <Darkside> we had a ublox 6 NEO-6Q on horus 17
[23:15] <Darkside> Horus 16 was a NEO-5Q
[23:15] <Upu> thats going towards our Dutch friends if it floats jcoxon ?
[23:16] <jcoxon> exactly
[23:16] <TimZaman> jcoxon: it seems NLHAB has kinda sprouted today
[23:16] <jcoxon> TimZaman, hooray, really good listener turn out
[23:19] <jcoxon> Upu, still along way to predict
[23:19] <jcoxon> TimZaman, you going to launch soon?
[23:19] <Upu> yeah may change
[23:21] <NigeyS> dam Tim they loved ure talk :)
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[23:23] <Upu> Enough via's for you Darkside ? :) http://imagebin.org/183040
[23:23] <jcoxon> night
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[23:23] <Upu> more space on microstrips
[23:23] <Upu> 5 pin replaced with 4 pin
[23:23] <Upu> removed values on silkscreen
[23:24] <Upu> moar vias!
[23:24] <Upu> crystal traces shortened
[23:24] <Upu> and
[23:24] <Upu> MOAR VIAS!
[23:24] <Upu> going to be seeing vias in my sleep
[23:24] <NigeyS> lmao sure u dont want to add more vias upu?
[23:24] <Upu> run out of space for vias I think
[23:24] <NigeyS> lol
[23:24] <Darkside> oh wow
[23:25] <Darkside> hahaha
[23:25] <Upu> can't get it on 5 x 5
[23:25] <NigeyS> you've shocked Darkside
[23:25] <Darkside> thats a lot of vias
[23:25] <Darkside> but ok
[23:25] <Upu> can remove some
[23:25] <Darkside> that works :P
[23:25] <Upu> was just being silly
[23:25] <Darkside> nah
[23:25] <Darkside> they are free at seeed
[23:25] <Darkside> crystal looks good
[23:25] <Darkside> so does the microstrip
[23:25] <Upu> trying to please my austrialian pcb overlord
[23:26] <NigeyS> he's open to bribes to
[23:26] <Upu> found a new thing tRestrict layer
[23:26] <Upu> very useful
[23:26] <Upu> stops traces going in areas you mark out
[23:26] <Darkside> Upu: i'd call that a polygon cutout
[23:26] <Darkside> or a keepout layer
[23:26] <Upu> like under uBlox and stuff
[23:26] <Upu> yup
[23:27] <Darkside> Upu: whats C4
[23:27] <Darkside> that just decoupling for something?
[23:27] <Darkside> remember, decoupling caps should be kept as close to what they are decoupling
[23:27] <Upu> decouping for VCC on GPS
[23:28] <Darkside> urr
[23:28] <Darkside> camera you mean
[23:28] <Upu> no GPS
[23:28] <Upu> camera ?
[23:28] <Darkside> (doesn't matter btw - as long as there are decoupling caps around the place)
[23:28] <Darkside> Upu: look where C4 is in relation to the gps
[23:29] <Darkside> on the PCB
[23:29] <Upu> yep I see
[23:29] <Upu> too far away ?
[23:29] <Darkside> uhh
[23:29] <Darkside> yes
[23:29] <Darkside> the decoupling caps for a component should be as close to the components pins as possible
[23:29] <Upu> rgr noted
[23:29] <Darkside> so you should have a decoupling cap right next to the ublox
[23:29] <Darkside> leave that onw where it is
[23:29] <Upu> no I'll move it
[23:29] <Upu> like I say playing here
[23:29] <Darkside> in fact, move it a littel bit further up, closer to the camera socket
[23:29] <Darkside> nah
[23:29] <Upu> not tonight though
[23:29] <Darkside> ok what else
[23:30] <NigeyS> hehe means losing a via, oh noes! :p
[23:30] <Upu> camera ?
[23:30] <Darkside> Upu: trace going up from C11
[23:30] <Upu> yep
[23:30] <Darkside> why does that go up and around the ground pin to the VOUT pin on the reg
[23:30] <Darkside> just run it directly to the pin
[23:30] <Darkside> and move all those caps closer to their respective pins on the regs
[23:30] <Darkside> make the track from the power socket thicker
[23:31] <Upu> ok
[23:31] <Darkside> it'll probably handle a few hundred mA as is, but better to be safe
[23:32] <Upu> I'll have a play with those tommorrow
[23:32] <Darkside> ok
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[23:32] <Upu> bed time here
[23:32] <Upu> thanks for the tips again
[23:32] <Darkside> no probs
[23:32] <Upu> this board should be pretty tight when we get it going thx
[23:32] <Upu> ok night all
[23:33] <Darkside> nn
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[23:40] <Darkside> omfg
[23:40] <Darkside> that koalastothemax thing is awesome
[23:40] <Darkside> ack wrong channel
[23:40] <Darkside> http://koalastothemax.com/?aHR0cDovL3dndGNjZG4ud2Vnb3R0aGlzY292ZXJlZC5uZXRkbmEtY2RuLmNvbS93cC1jb250ZW50L3VwbG9hZHMvbXlfbGl0dGxlX3BvbnlfZnJpZW5kc2hpcF9pc19tYWdpY19ncm91cF9zaG90Mi5qcGVn
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[23:43] <NigeyS> hah neat, although its screwing with my eyes now!
[23:44] <Darkside> yep
[23:46] <NigeyS> oh Darkside ...
[23:46] <Darkside> ;d
[23:46] <Darkside> :D
[23:46] <NigeyS> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nigeys/6315710097/in/photostream
[23:46] <Darkside> ooh
[23:46] <Darkside> nice
[23:46] <NigeyS> 3 almost ready to go ..
[23:47] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
[23:47] <NigeyS> night Lunar_Lander !
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[23:47] <Darkside> about time for me to head uinto uni
[23:47] <NigeyS> ATS-1, Picochu-3 and a spare, incase i knacker 1 lol
[23:47] <Darkside> cya later guys
[23:47] <NigeyS> cya later dude :)
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