highaltitude.log.20111106

[00:01] <Upu> well off now back tommorrow
[00:02] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[00:02] <Lunar_Lander> one question though
[00:02] <Lunar_Lander> if that is OK?
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[00:33] <NigeyS> s2?
[00:36] <RocketBoy_S2> New phone - getting rid of old iphone
[00:37] <NigeyS> ooo, u got the galaxy s2 ?
[00:39] <RocketBoy_S2> O2 said that id need to change my tarrif to add tethering - so to cut a long story short they displeased me enough to make me move to voda
[00:40] <NigeyS> ahh, yeah the iphones tethering is a whole new package thing, kinda sucks
[00:41] Action: SpeedEvil is wondering if he can drop his 'ipad' SIM-only from 15/mo to 7.5/mo - 10G-1G data usage.
[00:41] <SpeedEvil> On 3.
[00:44] <RocketBoy_S2> Anyroad i find the screen keyboard way better than the iphone
[00:44] <RocketBoy_S2> Way less typeos
[00:44] <RocketBoy_S2> Night all
[00:44] <NigeyS> :D nn steve
[00:45] <NigeyS> hey speedy
[00:50] <SpeedEvil> hey
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[01:20] <griffonbot> @slofunk: RT @LVL1WhiteStar: After 6 hours of analysis and equipment tests, the flight data has a probable explanation. explanation and pics later ... [http://twitter.com/slofunk/status/132990796919087104]
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[01:35] <fsphil-laptop> and that spot is still alive in the ocean. they're really hard little devices
[01:36] <NigeyS> oo, whats the link again?
[01:36] <fsphil-laptop> http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=02r6VJRvLosafHWrmL6CQZfx6cuphtl94
[01:36] <fsphil-laptop> it's moving away from land
[01:37] <NigeyS> blimey, a bit to far offshore for a little speedboat rescue i thinks
[01:39] <fsphil-laptop> currents should be pushing it towards Islay
[01:41] <NigeyS> soon find out a bit later
[01:42] <NigeyS> and dam those spots are expensive!
[01:44] <fsphil-laptop> yea, bit of a flaw
[01:45] <NigeyS> just a bit
[01:45] <NigeyS> are we the only 1's awake? :|
[01:47] <fsphil-laptop> can't be .. it's still daytime in NA and AUS
[01:47] <NigeyS> oh yeah
[01:47] <NigeyS> hm here's a thought
[01:47] <NigeyS> wonder if can tether a few foil balloons tomorrow, at about 100ft, with some kind of antenna for 70cm .. hmmm
[01:48] <fsphil-laptop> you'd need to fly the radio too
[01:48] <fsphil-laptop> how many metres is 100ft?
[01:48] <NigeyS> lots
[01:48] <NigeyS> 25 ish ?
[01:48] <fsphil-laptop> 30ish
[01:48] <NigeyS> close..lol
[01:48] <fsphil-laptop> huge amount of loss
[01:49] <fsphil-laptop> a preamp would do too
[01:49] <NigeyS> oo
[01:49] <NigeyS> got 240g max lift .. would have to be awfully light whatever i used
[01:49] <NigeyS> unless i use the 600gram latex..lol
[01:50] <NigeyS> or i could just be normal and buy a telescopic mast
[01:51] <fsphil-laptop> masts would be the way to go for 30m
[01:52] <fsphil-laptop> balloons for 100m :)
[01:52] <NigeyS> mm yush
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[03:37] <Darkside> hmm
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[05:00] <NigelMoby> Meh
[05:10] <Darkside> crap
[05:10] <Darkside> the camera stopped working
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[05:54] <Darkside> fffffffff
[05:54] <Darkside> fsphil: the camera won't respond to the micro anymore..
[05:54] <Darkside> it works when hooked up to a PC though
[05:56] <Darkside> it just won't sync
[05:56] <SamSilver_> http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=02r6VJRvLosafHWrmL6CQZfx6cuphtl94 still floating
[05:57] <Darkside> what is this?
[05:59] <SamSilver_> the launch from Dongal that is in the sea
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[08:34] <Darkside> hmm
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[08:46] <Upu> morning
[08:47] <Darkside> ohi
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[08:47] <Darkside> i got SSDV working yesterday, and now its broken
[08:47] <Upu> [22:38] <Upu> http://imagebin.org/182659
[08:47] <Upu> [22:38] <Upu> http://imagebin.org/182660
[08:47] <Upu> [22:38] <Upu> http://imagebin.org/182661
[08:47] <Upu> [22:38] <Upu> http://imagebin.org/182663
[08:47] <Upu> thoughts pls
[08:47] <Darkside> don'y run serial lines under the NEO-6Q
[08:48] <Upu> ok ta
[08:48] <Upu> see
[08:48] <Darkside> other side of the board, fine, but not directly under it
[08:48] <Upu> thats why I ask you :)
[08:48] <Darkside> don't have right-angled tracks on your RF output from the NTX2
[08:48] <Darkside> if you need a turn, they should be curved
[08:49] <Darkside> also you want to either use microstrip line or co-linear waveguide
[08:49] <Upu> a wut ?
[08:49] Action: Upu googles
[08:49] <Darkside> which means you need to make the track width bigger, and have more clear area around the trace
[08:49] <Darkside> look up stripline
[08:49] <Darkside> the track width is dependent on the board thickness
[08:50] <Upu> ok
[08:50] <Darkside> also, you need more heatsinking around your regulators
[08:50] <Darkside> way more
[08:51] <Upu> ok
[08:51] <Upu> :)
[08:52] <Darkside> ffs, this camera problem is pissing me off
[08:52] <Darkside> it was working perfectly before
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[08:52] <Darkside> i've checked continuity between the board and teh camera
[08:52] <Darkside> it seems like the camera isn't syncing with the correct baud rart
[08:52] <Darkside> rate*
[08:52] <jcoxon> morning all
[08:53] <Upu> morning jcoxon
[08:53] <Upu> hows the GPS issues ?
[08:55] <jcoxon> ummm haven't yet restarted on it
[08:55] <jcoxon> i'll have a working system
[08:56] <Upu> ok, I've set up the tracker anyway
[08:56] <Upu> Call sign ATLAS ?
[08:56] <jcoxon> yeah
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[09:00] <TimZaman> wow awesome. night launch?
[09:00] <Upu> yeah may be up when you launch :)
[09:01] <Darkside> what the hell, now i'm getting an error code -5
[09:01] <Upu> what frequency are you on Tim ?
[09:01] <Darkside> which is it can't take a picture
[09:01] <Darkside> wtf
[09:01] <TimZaman> 434650
[09:01] <Upu> good
[09:01] <Upu> Atlas is on 434075
[09:01] <TimZaman> why? ah you are on 075?
[09:01] <TimZaman> But yours will be very down i think
[09:01] <Upu> no jcoxon is, hes hoping to float it
[09:02] <Upu> so it may just be still up when you launch
[09:02] <TimZaman> would be pretty awesome though, i could say something about it at the conference
[09:02] <TimZaman> yeah okay but james hasnt had much luck so far right? at least, not the amounts Darkside managed to get
[09:04] <Upu> no but underfilled Hwoyee balloons seem to have a habit of floating
[09:04] <jcoxon> TimZaman, its a bit of an experiment
[09:04] <number10> what GPS are you using jcoxon?
[09:04] <jcoxon> so could easily go wrong
[09:05] <jcoxon> :-)
[09:05] <Darkside> hmmm need to speak to fsphil...
[09:05] <Upu> ublox 6
[09:05] <Darkside> lol
[09:06] <Darkside> ok
[09:06] <number10> on a module or have you designed the neo6 into a pcb?
[09:06] <jcoxon> he ain't on the summon system
[09:06] <Upu> oh I have break out boards number10 if you want one
[09:06] <Upu> yeah but it looks good jcoxon
[09:06] <number10> thyat wuld be nice Upu - let me know how much you want and how to pay
[09:07] <Darkside> jcoxon: add me to the summon system if you can
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[09:07] <Upu> going to sort it out this week number10
[09:07] <Darkside> email addr: lenniethelemming@gmail.com
[09:07] <jcoxon> i can't currently
[09:07] <jcoxon> need to get jonsowman
[09:07] <number10> great stuff
[09:07] <jcoxon> i might end up not using ublox
[09:08] <jcoxon> as i'm not happy about mode setting
[09:08] <jcoxon> and i'd hate for it to break at 12km
[09:08] <number10> did you not use the FSA03 before jcoxon?
[09:08] <jcoxon> yeah and the last flight had a problem
[09:08] <jcoxon> might switch back to a lassen
[09:09] <number10> ah - would be nice to know what the problem was
[09:09] <jcoxon> number10, the problem is that its difficult to test
[09:09] <jcoxon> especially with a short time frame
[09:10] <Darkside> jcoxon: what?
[09:10] <number10> yes indeed Darkside used one for his horus p
[09:10] <Darkside> i've had the mode setting stuff work fine
[09:10] <jcoxon> Darkside, mine is being strange
[09:10] <Darkside> how so
[09:10] <jcoxon> it sets it once but then if you send the command again it doesn't respond
[09:10] <Darkside> dunno about that
[09:10] <jcoxon> yeah
[09:10] <jcoxon> its not worth the risk a few hours before launch
[09:11] <Darkside> heh
[09:11] <number10> have you got example code for that online anywhere Darkside - I know that jonsowman has something on UKHSA http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:falcom_fsa03?s[]=fsa03
[09:11] <TimZaman> does anyone know the ublox command for flight, and i mean, the ascii command?
[09:11] <number10> I wonder if thats been tried
[09:11] <Darkside> there is no ascii command
[09:11] <Darkside> it has to be sent in ublox's binary format
[09:12] <TimZaman> how about "$PUBX,40,GLL,0,0,0,0*5C"
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[09:12] <TimZaman> that's ascii right
[09:12] <Darkside> TimZaman: i think that turns off certain sentences
[09:12] <TimZaman> yeah yeah it does
[09:12] <TimZaman> so for switching modes there are no ascii sentences
[09:12] <Darkside> the command to switch it into airborne mode is in binary though
[09:12] <Darkside> i dont think so
[09:12] <TimZaman> how important is that switching?
[09:12] <Darkside> very
[09:12] <TimZaman> hahah crap
[09:13] <Darkside> else it doesn't keep lock above 12km
[09:13] <TimZaman> doh geez
[09:13] <TimZaman> got any idea how to send a command like that with linux?
[09:13] <Darkside> uhmmm
[09:13] <Darkside> you can just send the binary command
[09:13] <TimZaman> you'd be a livesaver than
[09:13] <TimZaman> 0xB5, 0x62, 0x06, 0x24, 0x24, 0x00, 0xFF, 0xFF, 0x06, 0x03, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x10, 0x27, 0x00, 0x00, 0x05, 0x00, 0xFA, 0x00, 0xFA, 0x00, 0x64, 0x00, 0x2C, 0x01, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x16, 0xDC ?
[09:14] <Darkside> uint8_t setNav[] = {0xB5, 0x62, 0x06, 0x24, 0x24, 0x00, 0xFF, 0xFF, 0x06, 0x03, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x10, 0x27, 0x00, 0x00, 0x05, 0x00, 0xFA, 0x00, 0xFA, 0x00, 0x64, 0x00, 0x2C, 0x01, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x16, 0xDC}; sendUBX(setNav, sizeof(setNav)/sizeof(uint8_t));
[09:14] <Darkside> yep
[09:14] <TimZaman> yeah okay but im not using an arduino
[09:14] <TimZaman> and i never used binary or hex commands in linux rly
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[09:14] <Darkside> uhmm
[09:14] <Darkside> write a python script to fo it
[09:14] <Darkside> do it*
[09:15] <Darkside> or something like that
[09:15] <Darkside> theres plenty of ways to do it
[09:16] <Darkside> FFS why is this not working..
[09:17] <Darkside> i can see the camera responding to the AVR
[09:17] <Darkside> and the AVR is doing something, but its failing to capture images
[09:17] <TimZaman> darkside
[09:17] <TimZaman> im checking
[09:17] <TimZaman> and it seems a simple ascii command
[09:18] <TimZaman> oh no
[09:18] <TimZaman> nm
[09:22] <TimZaman> Darkside: will it work again below 12km?
[09:22] <Darkside> should
[09:22] <jcoxon_> yeah it does
[09:23] <TimZaman> can't i just: put the values with a hex editor in a command.hex and send that over to the serial port like "cat command.hex >/dev/FTDI
[09:24] <jcoxon_> TimZaman, i know how to do it in bash
[09:24] <TimZaman> what i just said, makes sense, or?
[09:25] <TimZaman> it's a static command anyway
[09:25] <jcoxon_> http://pastebin.com/L3h5zxpJ
[09:25] <TimZaman> haha are you serious
[09:25] <TimZaman> that sounds simple enough
[09:25] <TimZaman> but still, would my idea work witht he hex editor?
[09:26] <TimZaman> you prob. used this on y our gumstix?
[09:26] <jcoxon_> nah i was playing with this on my mac
[09:26] <jcoxon_> but that should send those commands
[09:26] <TimZaman> ah wow thanks
[09:26] <jcoxon_> off the command line
[09:26] <TimZaman> and how about the max performance mode
[09:26] <TimZaman> would you advice that>
[09:27] <jcoxon_> you might need to change the hex itself
[09:27] <jcoxon_> but thats an example of how to do it
[09:27] <TimZaman> i understand, thanks a lot
[09:27] <TimZaman> i have no idea what command this is though, tha tyou use (just curious
[09:29] <TimZaman> jcoxon good luck tonight btw
[09:29] <jcoxon_> thanks
[09:29] <jcoxon_> going to need it
[09:30] <TimZaman> =) dont we always
[09:30] <jcoxon_> got lots to do
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[09:34] <TimZaman> yeah you only got a few hours left rly. oh well i guess you could postpone an hour or 2
[09:34] <Darkside> well, i am at a loss as to what the hell is going on with this camera
[09:34] <Darkside> the camera works fine with the pc, just not with the microcontroller
[09:34] <Darkside> and it was working fine yesterdya
[09:35] <TimZaman> Darkside: what kind of cam
[09:35] <Darkside> 4d systems
[09:35] <Darkside> same one as phil uses
[09:35] <TimZaman> those horus images looked sweet
[09:35] <TimZaman> nice widehangle
[09:35] <Darkside> this is different
[09:35] <Darkside> i'm trying to do SSDV
[09:35] <TimZaman> i saw that :)
[09:35] <Darkside> and i got phils code working perfectly yesterday
[09:35] <Darkside> but i then also went to try and get a pressure sensor on the board working, and now everything has broken
[09:36] <TimZaman> yup images looked good
[09:36] <Darkside> and i have no idea why
[09:36] <Darkside> i've removed the pressure sensor from the board, i can confirm comms between the avr and the camera
[09:36] <Darkside> yet it still fails
[09:36] <TimZaman> put it in the microwave
[09:36] <Darkside> <_<
[09:36] <TimZaman> 'when everything else fails'
[09:37] <TimZaman> thanks a million Darkside and jcoxon, without this little visit my gps would yet again have crashed
[09:37] <TimZaman> ty
[09:37] <TimZaman> im off
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[09:41] <Darkside> fsphil-laptop: halp
[09:41] <Darkside> tis broked
[09:41] <fsphil-laptop> oh noes
[09:41] <fsphil-laptop> what happened?
[09:41] <Darkside> so i was adding features to the payload
[09:41] <Darkside> getting it working with temp sensors (which was fine)
[09:41] <Darkside> then i decided to add a pressure sensor, which also worked ok
[09:42] <Darkside> well, the pressure sensor worked, but the cmera wouldn't work
[09:42] <Darkside> i've checked - the camera is fine
[09:42] <Darkside> anyway
[09:42] <Darkside> data is going to and from teh camera, i can see that
[09:42] <Darkside> c3_open returns -5, saying it cant take a picture
[09:42] <Darkside> so it does that on first boot, then just continually gives sync fails
[09:44] <fsphil-laptop> its like it gets so far and the camera just stops responding
[09:44] <Darkside> maybe
[09:44] <fsphil-laptop> if you remove the pressure sensor code, does it work again?
[09:44] <Darkside> thats all gone
[09:44] <Darkside> and its stil not working
[09:44] <Darkside> which is annoying
[09:45] <Darkside> i'm wondering if i've changed something and forgot about it
[09:45] <Darkside> but i can't seem to find anything
[09:45] <fsphil-laptop> any hardware changes?
[09:45] <Darkside> continuety checks out from the AVR through to the camera
[09:45] <Darkside> power is fine
[09:45] <Darkside> no shorts to ground or other pins
[09:46] <Darkside> http:///pipe2.darklomax.org/dump/NutSSDV.zip
[09:47] <Darkside> there just doesn't seem to be anything electrically wrong with tbe board
[09:49] <fsphil-laptop> yea code looks good too
[09:49] <Darkside> and this was working perfectly this morning!
[09:50] <Darkside> this is what makes this so ridiculous
[09:50] <Darkside> its possible i've killed somethign in the avr
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[09:53] <fsphil-laptop> added any capacitors? I found my camera stopped responding when I added a bypass cap
[09:53] <Darkside> nothing
[09:53] <Darkside> i think my only option atm is to try and get this working on one of the new micronut boards
[09:53] <Darkside> but thats going to be using software serial
[09:54] <fsphil-laptop> the error is always -5 when first powered on?
[09:55] <Darkside> yep
[09:55] <Darkside> so it appears its getting data through
[09:55] <fsphil-laptop> increase the timeouts
[09:55] <Darkside> else it wouldn't get to that point
[09:55] <fsphil-laptop> PIC_TIMEOUT might be too shor
[09:55] <fsphil-laptop> short
[09:56] <fsphil-laptop> or slow down the rate c3_tick is called
[09:56] <Darkside> i doubled that timeout
[09:56] <fsphil-laptop> 400?
[09:56] <Darkside> and i still get error code -5
[09:56] <Darkside> its at 800
[09:56] <fsphil-laptop> it's an 8-bit counter ;)
[09:57] <Darkside> oh lol
[09:57] <Darkside> i'll make c3_tick only get called once every second intterup
[09:57] <fsphil-laptop> I called it at 300hz
[09:57] <Darkside> well its running at 600 hz noq
[09:58] <Darkside> hmm will need to add another variable
[09:58] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[09:58] <fsphil-laptop> a divider
[09:58] <fsphil-laptop> static in c3_tick should be fine
[09:59] <Darkside> if((tick_count++)%2 == 0) c3_tick();
[09:59] <fsphil-laptop> should do nicely
[09:59] <jcoxon_> grrrrr
[09:59] <fsphil-laptop> and put the pic timeout back to 200
[09:59] <jcoxon_> maybe i'm going down the wrong route here
[09:59] <Darkside> still error code 5
[10:00] <Darkside> -5
[10:00] <Darkside> doubling CMD_TIMEOUT stil doesnt help
[10:01] <fsphil-laptop> try %3
[10:01] <Darkside> jeez
[10:01] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[10:01] <Darkside> same
[10:02] <Darkside> just to confirm, the camera does work when hooked up to a pc
[10:02] <Darkside> with the test software
[10:02] <fsphil-laptop> worth a try
[10:02] <Darkside> no, i did check that
[10:02] <Darkside> it works fine
[10:02] <fsphil-laptop> is there a pause before it spits out the error?
[10:02] <Darkside> on boot? no
[10:02] <Darkside> its almost instant
[10:06] <fsphil-laptop> that doesn't sound right
[10:06] <Darkside> oh, tehre is a short delay
[10:06] <Darkside> maybe 1/4 second?
[10:06] <fsphil-laptop> if you set the tick divider to something silly like % 20
[10:06] <fsphil-laptop> does it increase the length of the delay?
[10:07] <Darkside> will test
[10:07] <Darkside> yeah
[10:07] <Darkside> it increases the delay
[10:08] <fsphil-laptop> but still fails?
[10:08] <Darkside> yup
[10:08] <mattltm> Mornin :)
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[10:10] <Darkside> fsphil-laptop: i;m rigging up a micronut for this
[10:10] <fsphil-laptop> the camera is either rejected or failed to receive the GET_PICTURE command
[10:10] <fsphil-laptop> baud rate troubles?
[10:10] <fsphil-laptop> mornin' mattltm
[10:11] <Darkside> fsphil-laptop: hrmm, its the same as it was
[10:11] <Darkside> 9600 baud doesnt work either
[10:12] <fsphil-laptop> I should wire up a test rig
[10:16] <fsphil-laptop> installed the ide -- already packaged, nice
[10:16] <fsphil-laptop> can it flash without using a bootloader?
[10:17] <Darkside> you'll need the Timer ONE libraryy
[10:17] <Darkside> TimerOne*
[10:17] <Darkside> and yes, you can use an isp
[10:17] <Darkside> you need to change a setting in the preferences,txt file
[10:17] <fsphil-laptop> my avr isn't listed
[10:17] <Darkside> yeah i dont think arduino supports the 644
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[10:21] <jonsowman> jcoxon_: ping
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[10:25] <Darkside> ack, scope issues with NewSoftSerial
[10:26] <fsphil-laptop> nss is evil
[10:27] <Darkside> arduno does some dodgy hacks
[10:27] <Darkside> it really does
[10:27] <Darkside> i can't figure out how to access this newsoftserial object in c328.cpp
[10:28] <fsphil-laptop> extern?
[10:29] <Darkside> /Users/darkside/Applications/Arduino.app/Contents/Resources/Java/libraries/NewSoftSerial/NewSoftSerial.h: In function 'void tx_byte(uint8_t)':
[10:29] <Darkside> /Users/darkside/Applications/Arduino.app/Contents/Resources/Java/libraries/NewSoftSerial/NewSoftSerial.h:71: error: 'virtual void NewSoftSerial::write(uint8_t)' is private
[10:29] <Darkside> c328.cpp:54: error: within this context
[10:29] <Darkside> oh wait
[10:29] <Darkside> i dont know if newsoftserial has .write
[10:30] <fsphil-laptop> isn't it .write(b, BYTE)
[10:30] <fsphil-laptop> or something silly
[10:30] <Darkside> dunno
[10:30] <Darkside> the documentation is crap
[10:31] <Darkside> yeah, .print(b,BYTE) compiles
[10:31] <fsphil-laptop> ah, print
[10:31] <fsphil-laptop> that's stupid lol
[10:32] <fsphil-laptop> brb
[10:35] <Darkside> nup this isnt working
[10:35] <Darkside> ssdv_enc_get_packet failed
[10:36] <Darkside> ok it got to -2 and -4 this time
[10:36] <Darkside> -s and -3
[10:36] <Darkside> yeah its not liking this
[10:37] <Darkside> different baud rates give me error -1
[10:42] <Darkside> hmm now i get an error code -1 on boot
[10:42] <jonsowman> anyone know how jcoxon_ is doing with ATLAS3?
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[10:43] <Darkside> fsphil-laptop: and now i switch to 57600 baud and it magically works
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[10:53] <Darkside> so yeah
[10:54] <Darkside> next payload i'm going to build
[10:54] <Darkside> beaglebone + whatever the hell i want to add onto it
[10:54] <Darkside> it'll suck current, but i can say i've flown linux
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[10:55] <fsphil-laptop> Darkside, the camera is said to be fussy about the baud rate. one of the reasons I used the odd crystal frequency
[10:55] <Darkside> ok
[10:55] <Darkside> thats why then
[10:55] <Darkside> may have been temp variations in teh crystal causing problems
[10:55] <Darkside> isn't that fun...
[10:56] <Darkside> also i'm calling this payload Wedjat
[10:56] <Darkside> the eye of horus
[10:56] <fsphil-laptop> perfect!
[10:56] <Darkside> anyway
[10:56] <Darkside> its back in a working state
[10:56] <Darkside> i'm leaving it alone now...
[10:56] <Darkside> no more trying to add features
[10:57] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[10:57] <fsphil-laptop> might be worth getting a few 7.3728 mhz crystals
[10:57] <Darkside> i've got temp and battery voltage monitoring back up
[10:57] <Darkside> they dont come in teh form factor for this board
[10:57] <Darkside> oh wait, yes they do
[10:57] <Darkside> but arduino doesn't support it easily :P
[10:57] <Darkside> i'd have to hack arduino to make it owrk
[10:57] <fsphil-laptop> aaah true
[10:57] <fsphil-laptop> the bootloader
[10:57] <Darkside> (all doable)
[10:57] <Darkside> its all doable
[10:57] <fsphil-laptop> newsoftserial doesn't do it either
[10:58] <Darkside> im not using software serial anymore
[10:58] <Darkside> i gave that up
[10:58] <joph> good morning
[11:00] <fsphil-laptop> morning joph
[11:00] <fsphil-laptop> hiya TimZaman
[11:00] <TimZaman> hi phil
[11:00] <TimZaman> running the first live test
[11:00] <TimZaman> no luck on a lock
[11:00] <TimZaman> luckily darkside told me this mornin that the ublox really needs to have the airborne mode
[11:01] <TimZaman> so i put that in too
[11:01] <fsphil-laptop> yea .. phew, that was close
[11:01] <TimZaman> :)
[11:01] <TimZaman> well i guess i would still find it back
[11:01] <fsphil-laptop> it would have come back yea
[11:01] <TimZaman> at least the image work, this time thats more important than gps
[11:01] <fsphil-laptop> see them coming in now
[11:01] <fsphil-laptop> so those are from the canon?
[11:02] <TimZaman> y
[11:03] <TimZaman> 1/500th shutterspeed priority, 100 iso, dynamic apperture
[11:03] <TimZaman> thats why this is so dark, it goes for at least 1/500th
[11:03] <fsphil-laptop> yea, crisper images
[11:03] <TimZaman> the ones from outside my window are pretty fair in terms of dynamic range
[11:03] <TimZaman> ladies and gentleman
[11:04] <TimZaman> men
[11:04] <TimZaman> We Have Lock
[11:04] <fsphil-laptop> aye, you're on the map
[11:04] <TimZaman> im afraid of the altitude though
[11:04] <fsphil-laptop> 26m
[11:05] <TimZaman> yeah :s
[11:05] <TimZaman> this time, i just 1:1 copy the part where the altitude is in the nmea
[11:05] <fsphil-laptop> 0m
[11:05] <fsphil-laptop> hmm
[11:06] <Darkside> hey theres 2 of us uploading images :P
[11:06] <fsphil-laptop> yay lol
[11:06] <fsphil-laptop> that's never happened before, good test :)
[11:07] <TimZaman> Darkside: would you mind to leave the ssdv tomorrow for what it is, just in case? then's my big launch
[11:08] <TimZaman> today np
[11:08] <Darkside> yeah
[11:08] <Darkside> i'm not going to be doing anything tomorrow night
[11:08] <fsphil-laptop> just watching the httpd processes .. all seems fine
[11:08] <TimZaman> but indeed, good test seems to be working
[11:08] <TimZaman> i just stopped btw
[11:09] <Darkside> as have i
[11:10] <fsphil-laptop> good to know it'll handle two images at once. it was designed to but I've never tested it
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[11:10] <fsphil-laptop> right, better walk the mutt before he eats me
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[11:40] <jcoxon_> ping someone with a ublox and working code
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[11:48] <fsphil-laptop> it's all interrupt driven so might not be much help to you
[11:49] <jcoxon_> basically the gps is giving me a response once
[11:49] <jcoxon_> then won't return any info
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[11:50] <fsphil-laptop> so you send the nav command, get the ack ok .. then nothing?
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[11:52] <jcoxon_> fsphil-laptop,
[11:52] <jcoxon_> i'm getting
[11:52] <jcoxon_> B5 62 41 40 20 6 24 32 EB
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[11:54] <fsphil-laptop> has ublox6 changed the way that works I wonder
[11:54] <jcoxon_> this is a ublox 5
[11:54] <fsphil-laptop> oh there goes that idea :)
[11:57] <fsphil-laptop> class 41, message 40
[11:57] <fsphil-laptop> there is no class 41
[11:58] <jcoxon_> basically i get a couple of various results
[11:58] <jcoxon_> its not consistant
[11:58] <fsphil-laptop> uur
[11:58] <fsphil-laptop> that's not good
[11:58] <fsphil-laptop> hardware serial?
[11:59] <fsphil-laptop> the 06 later on in that stream would make more sense
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[12:00] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[12:00] <fsphil-laptop> 06 24 is the nav response
[12:00] <fsphil-laptop> where the 41 and 40 is coming from is the question
[12:00] <fsphil-laptop> ack, brb
[12:00] <SamSilver> Wedjat ???
[12:00] <SamSilver> Darkside: Wedjat ?
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[12:01] <SamSilver__> afk
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[12:15] <jcoxon_> okay
[12:15] <jcoxon_> flight cancelled
[12:15] <jcoxon_> ping jonsowman
[12:16] <jonsowman> pong jcoxon_
[12:17] <jcoxon_> jonsowman, i think we'll have to cancel
[12:17] <jonsowman> oh, why?
[12:17] <jcoxon_> the payload just isn't working well enough
[12:17] <jonsowman> oh that's a shame
[12:17] <jonsowman> is it a definitely cancellation?
[12:17] <jonsowman> *definite
[12:17] <jonsowman> i'll let Chu know if so
[12:17] <jcoxon_> well postponement
[12:17] <jcoxon_> i'm not happy with the payload
[12:17] <jcoxon_> and for a long duration flight its just not worth it
[12:17] <jonsowman> okay, but we're definitely not launching today?
[12:17] <jcoxon_> yeah
[12:18] <jonsowman> okay cool
[12:18] <jonsowman> no problem
[12:18] <jonsowman> any dates in mind?
[12:18] <jcoxon_> not sure
[12:18] <jcoxon_> going to sulk for a bit
[12:18] <jcoxon_> shame as the weather is so nice
[12:18] <jcoxon_> well in the atmos
[12:19] <jonsowman> yeah
[12:19] <jonsowman> that is a shame
[12:19] <jcoxon_> i'm having issues with getting the gps into the right nav mode
[12:20] <jcoxon_> so it would work but could fail above 12km
[12:20] <jcoxon_> which means its just a waste of time
[12:20] <jonsowman> that would be a real shame
[12:20] <jonsowman> better to leave it until its working :)
[12:20] <jcoxon_> exactly
[12:21] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "[UKHAS] Re: Atlas3 Launch Sunday 1800 from Cambridge"
[12:24] <number10> jcoxon_ wI will be interested to know what the problem turns out to be - I have fsa03 and have not wired it up yet (ublox6 version)
[12:25] <jonsowman> which gps is it jcoxon_ ?
[12:25] <jcoxon_> its a ublox
[12:25] <jcoxon_> i think its my code
[12:25] <jcoxon_> basically i set the nav mode and then it gives variable responses
[12:25] <jonsowman> odd
[12:25] <jcoxon_> yeah
[12:26] <number10> you have a delay between booting and setting that mode I assume
[12:26] <jcoxon_> yes
[12:26] <joph> whats the price of one filling of a balloon with helium?
[12:26] <jcoxon_> i need to get to the bottom of it
[12:26] <number10> the signals look clean on tx and rx
[12:26] <jcoxon_> yeah
[12:27] <jcoxon_> and it works well in regards to getting a lock
[12:27] <jcoxon_> but it'll fail above 12km
[12:27] <number10> indeed - is not worth risking it
[12:28] <DanielRichman> jcoxon_: do you use the xmlrpc methods added to dl-fldigi to do your remote control thing?
[12:28] <jcoxon_> yeah
[12:28] <jcoxon_> but i can change if needs be
[12:28] <DanielRichman> ok so currently there's get payload and set payload. I'm gonna have to change that to list flights, set flight, get flight; list payload, set payload, get payload; list mode, get mode, set mode
[12:28] <DanielRichman> well
[12:28] <DanielRichman> do you use autoconfigure?
[12:29] <jcoxon_> i can't remember
[12:29] <DanielRichman> because if you don't there's no need to set the payload. Is your remote control page up?
[12:29] <jcoxon_> no
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[12:30] <number10> joph: I dont the answer to that but you can work it out from here: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:balloon_data
[12:36] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: #atlasballoon - Atlas balloon flight postponed for today - payload not working sufficiently. Will reschedule. #ukhas #arhab [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/133160911660777472]
[12:37] <DanielRichman> jcoxon_: you don't appear to have an autoconfigure button. I think that you do not need to set the payload name in your xmlrpc; because that will only affect autoconfiguring.
[12:37] <jcoxon_> oh yeah its from quite an early version
[12:37] <DanielRichman> So... is it ok if I remove rather than upgrade the xmlrpc methods set payload and get payload? or would you like to keep them
[12:38] <jcoxon_> yeah remove them
[12:38] <DanielRichman> laziness prevails! boom
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[12:39] <DanielRichman> I added automatic git version thing; rather than having a 'r115' version it can upload the short git sha1 from which it was built
[12:40] <jcoxon_> perfect
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[12:54] <NigeyS> soo thats another SSL CA hacked .. *sigh*
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[13:26] <griffonbot> @stratoriders: RT @jamescoxon: #atlasballoon - Atlas balloon flight postponed for today - payload not working sufficiently. Will reschedule. #ukhas #arhab [http://twitter.com/stratoriders/status/133173527552589824]
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[13:43] <NigeyS> :/
[13:45] <jonsowman> NigeyS: launch cancelled
[13:45] <NigeyS> yeah i saw :(
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[14:38] <fsphil-laptop> shame, I was looking forward to that
[14:39] <fsphil-laptop> very odd that serial thing. the response was there, but mixed with random bytes
[14:43] <NigelMoby> Gremlins
[14:44] <fsphil-laptop> it's the most likely explanation
[14:47] <NigelMoby> Gizmo has a lot to answer for!
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[14:51] <jcoxon_> fsphil-laptop, i'm going to knuckle down and work out exactly what is going wrong
[14:52] <fsphil-laptop> is the code up anywhere jcoxon_?
[14:52] <jcoxon_> let me setup a test environment with some better debugging and i'll post the code
[14:52] <fsphil-laptop> k
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[15:11] <cuddykid> Hi all
[15:12] <fsphil-laptop> hullo mr.cuddykid
[15:12] <cuddykid> hi fsphil-laptop :)
[15:15] <cuddykid> erghh, this C programming coursework is irritating me
[15:16] <fsphil-laptop> Oh that sounds like fun
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[15:18] <cuddykid> I've got to detect whether line endings of file are UNIX, (old) Mac, DOS or mixed. Everything is dead simple apart from detecting mixed line endings :@ !
[15:18] <SpeedEvil> Do you actually need to detect?
[15:18] <SpeedEvil> Or do you just need to find line-ends?
[15:18] <cuddykid> detect
[15:19] <cuddykid> so UNIX is a line feed (10 ascii), Mac is 13 ascii and DOS is 13 followed by 10
[15:19] <cuddykid> but it's a nightmare seeing if they're mixed with the mac and dos endings!
[15:20] <SpeedEvil> You can reliably detect endings that are sepearated by non-ending chars.
[15:21] <cuddykid> http://pastebin.com/eAJYgRVF - that's what I've got so far
[15:22] <DanielRichman> i would suggest reading line by line rather than char by char
[15:22] <SpeedEvil> Seems not in principle insane.
[15:22] <fsphil-laptop> would it be easier to count each type as you go along
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[15:22] <fsphil-laptop> you can tell if they're mixed at the end if more than one type > 0
[15:23] <cuddykid> DanielRichman: we have to use getchar for some stupid reason!
[15:23] <cuddykid> that's a neat way fsphil
[15:23] <DanielRichman> yeah +1 on that. Just read all the stuff; count up the number of 13s and the number of 10s you see
[15:24] <DanielRichman> and the number of 1310s
[15:24] <fsphil-laptop> store the last getchar result
[15:24] <DanielRichman> and you might wanna exclude 1310s from the other two counts
[15:24] <fsphil-laptop> if current is 10 and the last one was 13 you got a dos one
[15:24] <cuddykid> will try that - thanks you C gurus!
[15:26] <DanielRichman> are you allowed to use ungetc()?
[15:26] <fsphil-laptop> sneaky
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[15:29] <cuddykid> DanielRichman, they haven't said no, so I guess so!
[15:29] <cuddykid> that is v neat
[15:32] <DanielRichman> also you can use your #defined thinigs in a switch
[15:32] <DanielRichman> i.e. case UNIX:
[15:32] <cuddykid> yeah
[15:32] <cuddykid> gonna put that in
[15:33] <Upu> Darkside http://imagebin.org/182784 does that consititude a wave guide ?
[15:33] <Upu> constitute
[15:33] <mattltm> Does anyone know the default message format for APRS?
[15:33] <cuddykid> DanielRichman: btw, just implemented the 10 and 13 counts, then put in an if ((number of 10s != number of 13s) && no10 != 0 && no13 !=0) .. mixed endings :)
[15:34] <DanielRichman> cool
[15:34] <cuddykid> DanielRichman: works a treat however in the very unlikely case that they are mixed but all add up it wouldn't work :S
[15:34] <jonsowman> mattltm: http://www.aprs.org/doc/APRS101.PDF
[15:35] <DanielRichman> cuddykid: yeah so that's why I'd suggest counting no10, no13 and no1013;
[15:35] <DanielRichman> how about
[15:35] <DanielRichman> if (this one is 10 and the last one was 13)
[15:35] <DanielRichman> no1013++;
[15:35] <DanielRichman> no10--;
[15:36] <DanielRichman> or perhaps I should call it no1310; idk
[15:36] <fsphil-laptop> like that, assume mac but if actually dos then fix the count
[15:37] <DanielRichman> indeed
[15:37] <cuddykid> DanielRichman: wouldn't I still run into the problem if no10 == no13 (i.e. number of unix endings == mac endings) - however, still mixed endings
[15:37] <DanielRichman> and be sure not to increment no13 if you find a dos
[15:37] <DanielRichman> but then you would do
[15:38] <cuddykid> hmm
[15:38] <DanielRichman> if (!!no13 + !!no1013 + !!no10) <-- lol would that actually work?
[15:38] <DanielRichman> printf("It's mixed");
[15:38] <DanielRichman> then exit
[15:38] <DanielRichman> and then test all teh otherse individually
[15:38] <DanielRichman> if (!!no13 + !!no1013 + !!no10 >= 2)
[15:39] <DanielRichman> uh. so don't use that.
[15:39] <DanielRichman> what I mean is, to see if you have a mix, test to see if two or more of your three counts are >0
[15:40] <cuddykid> lol - I think that I should be able to implement this new counter along side my "remember the last state and compare to current state" - and that should (hopefully) iron out the problems
[15:41] <cuddykid> I'll report back
[15:41] <DanielRichman> and yes, my boolean monstrosity would work :P
[15:41] <fsphil-laptop> it's quite scary that :p
[15:42] <DanielRichman> I think it probably relies on something that C doesn't guarantee; implementation specificness?
[15:44] <DanielRichman> cuddykid: you may want to initialise state_previous; does the compiler not complain?
[15:44] <fsphil-laptop> shame C can't compare against a list of values
[15:45] <cuddykid> DanielRichman: no complaints from compiler - I've got the if state_previous < 5 condition in so it will wait until state has assigned a value to state_previous
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[15:45] <DanielRichman> :S
[15:46] <DanielRichman> I think- techincally- you should set state_previous to 6 or something. If you don't initialise it, it's basically random (but not random)
[15:46] <DanielRichman> so it could randomly be <5
[15:46] <fsphil-laptop> and it probably will be when you least want it to be
[15:47] <mattltm> Ta jonsowman :)
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[15:48] <cuddykid> ahh ok, thanks guys!
[15:49] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: if you're playing with couch https://gist.github.com/1342864 may be useful to you (made it earlier to help debug new dl-fldigi)
[15:52] <fsphil-laptop> DanielRichman, this was the monstrosity I came up with: https://github.com/fsphil/habhound/blob/master/habitat.c
[15:54] <DanielRichman> oh... whoops. Last time I used yajl I ... somehow ... didn't realise about yajl_tree_parse
[15:54] <DanielRichman> and was tryinig to do everything with the stream parser
[15:54] <fsphil-laptop> it's a new feature
[15:54] <fsphil-laptop> still doesn't work totally properly yet, few bugs in the last release
[15:54] <DanielRichman> ah well it looks much easier to use; I appreciate the benefits of a stream parser but for small docs... ugh
[15:54] <fsphil-laptop> exactly
[15:55] <fsphil-laptop> still not sure how to read the array of receiver stations yet though
[15:55] <DanielRichman> you mean the receivers: {"MOZDR": {"time_blah...}, "SOMEONEELSE": {"blah..."}} dict/object?
[15:55] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[15:55] <DanielRichman> if you want a list of receivers you just need to read the keys
[15:56] <fsphil-laptop> just after the names for now, though I'll need the times later to work out the proper timestamp for the string
[15:57] <DanielRichman> yup you need to get yajl to list the keys for you
[15:57] <DanielRichman> because the key is the only place the callsign appears
[15:57] <fsphil-laptop> I'm not sure the yajl_tree_parse supports that yet
[15:57] <fsphil-laptop> though I haven't looked too deeply
[15:58] <DanielRichman> btw: line 287 'chase' in callsign to get the car icon; that's indeed how spacenear.us works but I think/hope we'll do something different eventually
[15:58] <fsphil-laptop> aah yea I thought so
[15:58] <DanielRichman> but I have no idea what yet
[15:59] <fsphil-laptop> had an interesting effect replaying the horus floating flight -- had a receiver mast following the balloon
[15:59] <DanielRichman> anyway habitat.c looks pretty cool :P -)
[15:59] <DanielRichman> haha
[16:02] <fsphil-laptop> probably full of memory leaks but it works well - I'll try using it over gsm for tims flight tomorrow
[16:02] <DanielRichman> oh, nice
[16:02] <DanielRichman> i switched on gzipping for cherokee
[16:02] <DanielRichman> (a while ago)
[16:02] <DanielRichman> so hopefully it will gzip stuff from couchdb for you ;-)
[16:02] <fsphil-laptop> I was wondering about that .. wonder if I can test if libcurl's using that
[16:03] <DanielRichman> wireshark
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[16:11] <fsphil-laptop> doesn't seem to be
[16:13] <DanielRichman> hmm
[16:13] <fsphil-laptop> curl is sending Accept: */*
[16:14] <fsphil-laptop> wait that's not related
[16:14] <fsphil-laptop> I might have to explicitly tell it to request gzip
[16:15] <fsphil-laptop> ah I do
[16:18] <fsphil-laptop> that did it
[16:18] <fsphil-laptop> Accept-Encoding: deflate, gzip
[16:18] <fsphil-laptop> response: Content-Encoding: gzip
[16:22] <fsphil-laptop> ooh curl is also re-using the same connection to go between the first query and then reading changes
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[16:46] <DanielRichman> yup it should do
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[17:05] <Dan-K2VOL> hello
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[17:12] <NigeyS> hey Will
[17:16] <WillDuckworth> hiya NigeyS
[17:16] <WillDuckworth> how's it going?
[17:17] <NigeyS> not bad dude, how's you ?
[17:17] <WillDuckworth> all ok. Is JCoxon still launching do you know?
[17:18] <Dan-K2VOL> he said he cancelled
[17:18] <Dan-K2VOL> on the email list
[17:18] <NigeyS> no, probs with the gps stuff so its cancelled
[17:18] <Dan-K2VOL> afternoon all
[17:18] <NigeyS> hey ~Dan
[17:18] <NigeyS> Dan*
[17:19] <WillDuckworth> shame
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[17:34] <Dan-K2VOL> hi NigeyS
[17:35] <Dan-K2VOL> hey the white star project got a chapter of this new book, and glowingly described in the foreward by the founder of Make Magazine - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0789748975/ref=cm_sw_r_fa_alp_kqSTob1PWMWHS
[17:35] <NigeyS> ahh thats what i was reading yesterday, congrats dude!!
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[18:11] <fsphil-laptop> Dan-K2VOL, that for the fare?
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[18:41] <Dan-K2VOL> fsphil-laptop the foreward does describes maker faire demo, the chapter describes the project in general
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[19:31] <jcoxon_> bingo
[19:32] <NigelMoby> House!
[19:32] <jcoxon_> i think i've actually fixed it
[19:33] <NigelMoby> Oo good work!
[19:33] <fsphil-laptop> something really silly I bet?
[19:33] <fsphil-laptop> the good ones usually are
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[19:33] <jcoxon_> fsphil-laptop, i've gone completely back to basics
[19:33] <jcoxon_> rebuilt the whole circuit
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[19:34] <jcoxon_> upgraded to my ublox 6 gps
[19:34] <jcoxon_> and also written the code from scratch and examples
[19:35] <jcoxon_> so lets check
[19:35] <jcoxon_> before setting hte nav mode if i poll the nav mode i get:
[19:35] <jcoxon_> B5 62 6 24 24 0 FF FF 0 3 0 0 0 0 10 27 0 0 5 0 F......
[19:35] <fsphil-laptop> looks a lot better
[19:35] <jcoxon_> if i then set the navmode i get an ack of this:
[19:35] <jcoxon_> B5 62 5 1 2 0 6 24 32 5B
[19:36] <jcoxon_> and then if i poll the navmode after setting it:
[19:36] <jcoxon_> B5 62 6 24 24 0 FF FF 6 3 0 0 0 0 10 27 0 0 5 0 F.......
[19:36] <fsphil-laptop> 6 ftw
[19:36] <fsphil-laptop> so possibly a hardware issue
[19:41] <jcoxon_> it made a lot easier to test by setting up NSS as well for debug
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[19:51] <jcoxon_> now to work out why after a while my code stops decoding the response
[19:52] <jcoxon_> if i regularly poll the nav mode say every 5seconds it works for the first 3 then stops decoding it
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[20:05] <jcoxon_> hahahahahahaha
[20:05] <jcoxon_> i've cracked that as well
[20:05] <jcoxon_> hooray
[20:05] <jcoxon_> now that is a funny error
[20:05] <fsphil-laptop> on a roll!
[20:06] <SpeedEvil> :)
[20:06] <jcoxon_> and it must be my fault as its correct in the example on the wiki
[20:06] <jcoxon_> damn it
[20:06] <jcoxon_> so the reason it stopped decoding after 3 attempts was that i had this:
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[20:06] <jcoxon_> int startTime = millis();
[20:07] Action: jcoxon_ is an idiot
[20:07] <fsphil-laptop> didn't this code work before in other flights?
[20:07] <fsphil-laptop> or was it all new?
[20:08] <jcoxon_> well the last atlas flight had some problems - remember the data from the radio went a bit funny
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[20:08] <jcoxon_> but the code does set the mode properly
[20:08] <jcoxon_> but it can't read it again as it times out immediately when waiting for the response as startTime has probably rolled over
[20:09] <fsphil-laptop> so you are not setting startTime again as you send the new command?
[20:09] <jcoxon_> so now with a unsigned long it won't roll over too quickly :-)
[20:09] <jcoxon_> yes but surely millis() is probably too big for an int
[20:09] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[20:10] <jcoxon_> hey RocketBoy
[20:10] <fsphil-laptop> ah, I was thinking 1000 ... that's 1000000
[20:10] <jcoxon_> so it works for short period of time when the avr boots
[20:11] <fsphil-laptop> better to use micros()?
[20:11] <fsphil-laptop> oh wait that's worse
[20:12] <jcoxon_> thats much worse
[20:12] <jcoxon_> millis with a unsigned long is 50 days
[20:12] <jcoxon_> micros is 70mins
[20:12] <fsphil-laptop> millis() is 1000 / 1 sec
[20:12] <fsphil-laptop> aaah
[20:12] <DanielRichman> ... so 66 seconds?
[20:12] <DanielRichman> an int on avr is 2^16
[20:12] <DanielRichman> (iirc)
[20:12] <fsphil-laptop> unsigned would be worse
[20:12] <jcoxon_> yeah thats fits
[20:12] <fsphil-laptop> er
[20:12] <fsphil-laptop> signed
[20:13] Action: fsphil-laptop goes and sits in the corner :)
[20:13] <jcoxon_> hehe
[20:14] <DanielRichman> jcoxon_: I don't understand where 50 days comes from
[20:14] <SpeedEvil> 2^32 milliseconds
[20:14] <SpeedEvil> 2^29 seconds
[20:15] <jcoxon_> i just read that
[20:15] <jcoxon_> on the arduino reference page
[20:15] <jcoxon_> http://arduino.cc/en/Reference/Millis
[20:15] <DanielRichman> ah okay
[20:15] <SpeedEvil> 2^15 hours, 2^10 days
[20:15] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[20:15] <DanielRichman> so an avr long is 32bits?
[20:15] <fsphil-laptop> 23.8 days?
[20:16] <DanielRichman> 2^32 / (1000 * 3600 * 24) is indeed 50
[20:16] <fsphil-laptop> ah, I hit the wrong key
[20:16] <fsphil-laptop> 49.7
[20:17] <fsphil-laptop> should be plenty of time for any timeout :)
[20:18] <DanielRichman> either way I would suggest #include <stdint.h> and then using uint32_t
[20:18] <DanielRichman> 'cause then you know exactly what you're getting
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[21:02] <Hiena> Okay, good news, guys.
[21:03] <Hiena> Just looked into the 2.6 kernel code, and found an interesting thing.
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> ?
[21:04] <fsphil-laptop> ponies?
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> OMG?
[21:04] <fsphil-laptop> !!1!
[21:04] <Hiena> No ponies. The tuner_core.c basically handles the tuner cards.
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> Yeah.
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> With plugins for various hardware
[21:05] <Hiena> There is no channels adjustment in it just frequency.
[21:05] <Hiena> Which means, we are free to set any frequencies.
[21:07] <Hiena> The limitations only the TV and the radio modes range, where the TV modelimited 44-958.
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[21:08] <fsphil-laptop> they're not terribly useful for receiving anything but tv though?
[21:10] <Hiena> Well, the PCI ones has composite video out, which is AM demodulated and easy to tap and connect to the sound card.
[21:12] <Hiena> I'll look into he video digitaliser conrol codes. My guess, it's possible to tweak to capture raw dtata stream.
[21:12] <SpeedEvil> You're assuming that the hardware will work to the software limits.
[21:14] <Hiena> It will. Because, in the TV mode the cards have to cover the vole VHF-UHF band.
[21:14] <Hiena> Khm...whole...
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[21:18] <SpeedEvil> k
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[21:29] <TimZaman> dlfldigi shuts down when i start it up in win
[21:29] <TimZaman> why>
[21:29] <TimZaman> My Eye sees no jcoxon launch?
[21:31] <TimZaman> nm
[21:31] <fsphil-laptop> it breaky
[21:31] <fsphil-laptop> though it's fixed now, so flying soon again hopefully
[21:31] <TimZaman> kay
[21:31] <TimZaman> im still on
[21:32] <TimZaman> Can someone change the title on the tracker?
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[21:33] <Dutch-Mill> ping TimZaman
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[21:35] <jcoxon> TimZaman, yeah my payload wasn't working 100% so i cancelled for today
[21:35] <Dutch-Mill> Tim
[21:36] <TimZaman_> Hi!
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[21:36] <TimZaman_> Whats a good 'reicve filter bandwidth' for dlfdigi
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[21:36] <TimZaman> too bad james :()
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[21:36] <TimZaman> Dutch-Mill: are you available tomorrow :)
[21:37] <Dutch-Mill> Hi Tim whats the baudrate for tomorrow
[21:37] <TimZaman> 434650, 600baud, 600hz shift, 8n2
[21:37] <TimZaman> =)
[21:37] <Dutch-Mill> Yep remoting form my home
[21:37] <TimZaman> fixed 600
[21:37] <TimZaman> Wooow cool man
[21:37] <TimZaman> i really really appreciate it
[21:37] <SpeedEvil> 600 baud, 600hz shift will need at least 2K
[21:37] <TimZaman> 2k who
[21:37] <SpeedEvil> Gilter bandwidth
[21:38] <SpeedEvil> Filter
[21:38] <Dutch-Mill> can't use the yagi so made a 1/4 gpa ...works fine too
[21:38] <TimZaman> doesnt go to more than 1000?
[21:38] <SpeedEvil> hmm - maybe context fail.
[21:38] <SpeedEvil> i mean the signal bandwidth will exceed 600+600+600
[21:38] <TimZaman> ah
[21:38] <TimZaman> no there is a setting in dlfldigi in the bottom at "modem"-"rtty"
[21:39] <TimZaman> have tested that before, seems to do little
[21:40] <TimZaman> any tips for tomorrow
[21:41] <TimZaman> you guys can probably receive it in the UK, although probably youre working\
[21:41] Action: SpeedEvil haz no radio.
[21:42] <fsphil-laptop> that might be an issue :)
[21:42] <TimZaman> hmmm
[21:42] <Dutch-Mill> what is the perdiction ... a rent a boat one ;-)
[21:42] <TimZaman> phil, do i have your phone number? just in case something explodes
[21:42] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[21:43] <TimZaman> or maybe the other way around
[21:43] <TimZaman> that you can tell me wuickly if something goes boom
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[21:46] <jcoxon> TimZaman, i'll track
[21:46] <jcoxon> i've got the day off
[21:47] <fsphil-laptop> I'm gonna try from the big hill
[21:47] <fsphil-laptop> but you'll need to get to at least 36km ;-)
[21:47] <TimZaman> jcoxon: james you rock thanks
[21:47] <TimZaman> fsphil i am counting on it
[21:47] <TimZaman> last time i did 36, and it burst because of the tie wraps too high up the neck
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[21:50] <fsphil-laptop> what time is it launching again?
[21:50] <Hiena> Gotcha.
[21:51] <TimZaman> 1400cest
[21:51] <TimZaman> 1400 dutch time
[21:52] <Hiena> The xawtv has a custom frequency mapping. That means, with proper index.map and channel.list file possible to set the tuner to the tracker frequency.
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[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[21:55] <Hiena> If my theory correct, we should see some nice psychedelic images on the screen if it's tuned to the tracker frequency.
[21:55] <Hiena> Anybody wants to try it?
[21:56] <fsphil-laptop> or just lines :)
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon sad that it didn't work today
[21:57] <Hiena> fsphil-laptop: Lines enough to decode the packes.
[21:58] <fsphil-laptop> mmmmmm doubtful
[21:58] <fsphil-laptop> 50 baud means you get one bit per frame :)
[21:58] <Hiena> That is more than enough.
[21:59] <Hiena> The carrier modulation would results checkerboard picture where the squares size could be translated as frequencies.
[22:01] <Upu> hey TimZaman
[22:01] <Upu> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[22:01] <Upu> ready for tommorrow
[22:01] <Hiena> So who is around Budapest to test the theory?
[22:02] <Hiena> Even the colors of the picture could be translated as the amplitude of the signal.
[22:03] <Darkside> Upu: thats far better
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> hi Upu and TimZaman
[22:03] <Upu> hey Darkside
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[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, now I can ask the question
[22:03] <Upu> is that what you mean and can I make that any better
[22:03] <fsphil-laptop> I'm sure there'd be a better way to do it Hiena
[22:03] <Upu> shoot Lunar_Lander
[22:03] <Darkside> Upu: is the red part the track?
[22:04] <Upu> no ground, the blue line is the RF signal
[22:04] <Darkside> oh
[22:04] <Darkside> needs to be way thicker
[22:04] <Darkside> uhmm
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, you found some hams in Poland who could help with Atlas 3?
[22:04] <Darkside> theres probably calcultors around to tell you the track chicknes
[22:04] <Upu> signal needs to be thicker
[22:05] <Upu> Lunar_Lander a guy at our club knows some polish hams
[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:05] <Upu> so he can contact them
[22:05] <Upu> signal needs to be thicker ?
[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[22:05] <Darkside> Upu: yes
[22:05] <Darkside> and you neeed a lot of clearance around that track
[22:05] <Darkside> like, 2-3 times the board thickness
[22:06] <Upu> ok I can make the track thicker but going to be limited to the width of those holes on the RF connector
[22:06] <Upu> what should I be googleing for to calculate it properly ?
[22:06] <Darkside> then use a smaller bit of track to go between the hoeles
[22:06] <Darkside> holes*
[22:06] <Darkside> Upu: do you know whar your board thickness is going to be yet
[22:07] <Upu> yeah
[22:07] <Darkside> because this will determine the track width
[22:07] <Upu> 1 sec
[22:08] <Upu> 1.5mm
[22:09] <Darkside> ok so a track width of 1.2mm then
[22:09] <Darkside> i think
[22:09] <Darkside> its going to be better than what you have there anyway
[22:09] <Darkside> and try and clear that section of the board of ground plane
[22:09] <TimZaman> hi Upu
[22:09] <Upu> and the ground track above it wider or the same ?
[22:09] <TimZaman> Darkside: will you help track tomorrow? ;)
[22:09] <Darkside> well, only the side of the board the track is on
[22:10] <Upu> hey TimZaman good luck for tommorrow
[22:10] <Darkside> TimZaman: maybe through globaltuners
[22:10] <TimZaman> ;)
[22:10] <Darkside> Upu: you shouldnt have a ground track
[22:10] <TimZaman> thanks Upu
[22:10] <Darkside> you shoudl have a complete ground plane
[22:10] <Upu> ok so just a thick signal track of about 1.2mm with a curve in it should do ?
[22:10] <Darkside> yes
[22:11] <Upu> cool ok
[22:11] <fsphil-laptop> unconnected?
[22:11] <Upu> so is there a calculator for this ?
[22:11] <Upu> and what is it I'm doing wave guide ?
[22:11] <Darkside> no, its stripline
[22:11] <Darkside> also known as microstrip
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> hi TimZaman
[22:12] <Upu> should I have any gap between the signal and other connections on the same side of it ?
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[22:12] <Upu> http://www1.sphere.ne.jp/i-lab/ilab/tool/ms_line_e.htm
[22:12] <Upu> wtf is eR ? :)
[22:12] <TimZaman> hi Lunar_Lander
[22:12] <Darkside> leave it as default
[22:12] <TimZaman> will you be tracking tomorrow lunar?
[22:12] <Darkside> oh, there is no default
[22:12] <Darkside> yay
[22:13] <Upu> :)
[22:13] <Darkside> dunno, cant remember the info for FR4
[22:13] <Darkside> its also dependent on the copper thickness
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman, at what time to you fly?
[22:13] <Upu> 18uM
[22:13] <Upu> err
[22:13] <Upu> 18um even
[22:13] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: 1400cest
[22:14] <Darkside> Upu: http://rfhead.net/data/MicroNut_PCB.jpg
[22:14] <Upu> it defaults eR to 4.5
[22:14] <Darkside> you can see what i did there
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman, hmm 14:00
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[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> could be possible
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:14] <Upu> I seed
[22:14] <Upu> looks like mine :)
[22:15] <Upu> whats U1 under the NTX2 ? Temp ?
[22:15] <Darkside> spi flash
[22:15] <Upu> ok
[22:15] <Darkside> was a bad idea, never got it workign properly
[22:15] <Darkside> putting a microSD socket on the next version
[22:15] <fsphil-laptop> have you built one yet Darkside?
[22:16] <Darkside> fsphil-laptop: that entire production run has been built
[22:16] <Darkside> i've already flown them trice
[22:16] <Darkside> twice*
[22:16] <Darkside> Horus 16 was the first completed one :P
[22:16] <fsphil-laptop> ahh brilliant
[22:16] <Darkside> didn't get it back
[22:16] <fsphil-laptop> any pics of a completed one?
[22:16] <Darkside> http://rfhead.net/gallery/2011-09-29_MicroNut_Tracker_Construction/
[22:17] <Darkside> and http://rfhead.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/MicroAPRS.jpg
[22:17] <fsphil-laptop> fantastic
[22:17] <TimZaman> fsphil did you remove the crap from the ssdv?
[22:18] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, yea cleared it out
[22:18] <TimZaman> micronut gets 20 point for prettyness
[22:18] <TimZaman> haha ar eyou making those in batch Darkside
[22:18] <Darkside> TimZaman: nah, only made up 10 so far
[22:18] <TimZaman> lol
[22:18] <TimZaman> you are modest.
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:19] <Darkside> some became APRS trackers, some became RTTY trackers
[22:19] <Darkside> some have no module yet
[22:19] <TimZaman> Still you do not want to give me one for "money'
[22:19] <Darkside> not this version
[22:19] <TimZaman> Ah
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[22:19] <fsphil-laptop> I was hoping the swift boards would be that small but I guess we put too much on there :)
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> is RocketBoy at the keyboard?
[22:19] <TimZaman> because you have too many ? :)
[22:19] <Darkside> TimZaman: needs changes
[22:19] <Darkside> i'm moving the power supply off-board
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[22:19] <TimZaman> Darkside: why
[22:19] <TimZaman> Darkside: intereference?
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman, let's make an EUROHAB museum
[22:19] <Darkside> i want to have a switchmode supply board which i stick to tbe back of the battery pack
[22:19] <Darkside> nah TimZaman
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> with your Pictura, nosebleed's boards
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> and so on
[22:20] <TimZaman> and ofcourse with your boards, Lunar_Lander
[22:20] <Darkside> i just want a 'standard' power supply connector for all my future boards
[22:20] <TimZaman> Darkside: smart.
[22:20] <Darkside> GND, 3V3, 5V, V_BATT
[22:20] <fsphil-laptop> already regulated?
[22:20] <Darkside> yes
[22:20] <fsphil-laptop> hmm
[22:20] <fsphil-laptop> interesting
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman, I just remember the Fachhochschule in Muenster, where I know a professor
[22:20] <Darkside> and i'll design a pcb with 2 switchmode supplies on it
[22:20] <TimZaman> Darkside: thats a good idea. but still, you have to make some versions too that require more juice
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> the students there can use the workshop to have boards etched
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> I could ask him if we could construct a board for me there
[22:21] <Darkside> well the idea is the switchmode supply will be able to handle up to an amp of output power
[22:21] <TimZaman> especially i found out with the powersupply i made for the beagleboard, there is just a huge diference in efficiency in Vswitchers
[22:21] <Darkside> and if i can make it work, it'll be a buck/boost converter - so it'll be able to run off, say, 8AAs, or 2 AAs
[22:21] <TimZaman> Darkside: yeah thatd be good, but i mean mAhs really
[22:21] <TimZaman> yeah okay indeed
[22:21] <TimZaman> Good idea.
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman, I am also looking into a gamma-photon detector
[22:22] <Darkside> TimZaman: so you flew a beagleboard?
[22:22] <TimZaman> Darkside: ehh yeah with space camera live
[22:22] <TimZaman> will fly beagleboard tomorrow
[22:22] <Darkside> i'm looking at flying a beaglebone as soon as they are available
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander> I already bought capacitors and resistors and sample ordered the OpAmps from MAXIM
[22:22] <TimZaman> Darkside: dont, get a pandaboard
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander> then I only need a good photocell
[22:22] <Darkside> TimZaman: oh? not the beaglebone?
[22:22] <TimZaman> Darkside: my powersupply can cope 6A =D
[22:22] <TimZaman> bone?!
[22:22] <TimZaman> whats that
[22:22] <Darkside> the beaglebone seems to be the most hacker friendly one out so far
[22:22] <TimZaman> i god did i miss something again
[22:22] <TimZaman> i juyst ordered a panda
[22:23] <Darkside> google it
[22:23] <Darkside> beaglebone
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman, do I assume correctly that Panda is more capable than Beagle?
[22:23] <TimZaman> hahahaha It's jason!!!!
[22:23] <TimZaman> with the beaglebone
[22:23] <TimZaman> i know that guy from TI
[22:23] <fsphil-laptop> hmm.. for some reason wb8elk's payload has appeared in canada
[22:23] <TimZaman> $89!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[22:23] <Darkside> TimZaman: but yeah, you see why i want the beaglebone
[22:24] <fsphil-laptop> oh wait that's not canada
[22:24] <Darkside> cheap, and shit-tons of 3.3v IOs
[22:24] Action: fsphil-laptop fails geography :)
[22:24] <TimZaman> Darkside: thanks a lot man im preordering immediatelly
[22:24] <Darkside> lol
[22:24] <fsphil-laptop> beaglebone is very tempting
[22:25] <Darkside> i'm planning on sticking a audio DAC/ADC thing on a shield for it
[22:25] <Darkside> and making it be an APRS digipeater
[22:25] <Laurenceb_> anyone here used ddd?
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[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman, do you know which Gamma-Photon detector I mean?
[22:29] <TimZaman> *ordering now*
[22:30] <TimZaman> *Your order has been processed*
[22:30] <TimZaman> @mouser
[22:30] <TimZaman> thanks Darkside you cost me a 100 bucks
[22:30] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[22:30] <TimZaman> im such a consumer
[22:30] <TimZaman> if it comes to electronics im like a lady
[22:30] <Darkside> lol TimZaman
[22:31] <fsphil-laptop> how much is the DVI addon?
[22:31] <Darkside> i'm going the same way with vinyl records..
[22:31] <Darkside> fsphil-laptop: not released yet i think :P
[22:31] <Darkside> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/BOARDS-CANADA-Geogaddi-3-x-LP-Vinyl-Records-WARP-/260875381591?pt=AU_Records&hash=item3cbd626b57#ht_2768wt_1077
[22:31] <fsphil-laptop> aah
[22:31] <Darkside> nom nom nom
[22:31] <TimZaman> i like the TI's embedded stuff
[22:31] <TimZaman> Darkside: hmmm
[22:31] <TimZaman> Darkside: vinyl is cool but you need the space for it
[22:32] <TimZaman> in holland houses arent that big, we dont have that much space for allt he hassle
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.scienceblogs.de/zoonpolitikon/2011/11/impressionen-von-der-tunesischen-autobahn.php
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> (motorway in Tunesia=
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[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> btw TimZaman when you say that
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think you have spent on electronics so far?
[22:36] <Darkside> i know i've spent around $700 on micronut releated stuff
[22:36] <Upu> cheers for advice Darkside
[22:36] <Upu> much appreciated
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> I think I spent 500 to 600 €
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> daveake was right
[22:37] <Lunar_Lander> when he posted that scheme with the project becoming more and more expensive
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[22:38] <TimZaman> so far?
[22:38] <TimZaman> i think maybe close to 2k
[22:38] <TimZaman> i might have *all* the arduino shields there are
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> I spent 200 on the radios
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> 200 on balloons
[22:39] <TimZaman> but ok, i used them for my work as well
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> 60 parachute
[22:39] <TimZaman> yeah okay but excluding the balloons.
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> 320 sparkfun
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:39] <TimZaman> if darkside would add that he would go pretty hihgh in costs i guess
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> so on electronics maybe 550 to 650
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> but a friend of mine said I should stop buying, put it together, program and fly it
[22:40] <Laurenceb_> wohoo it works
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> he said I should even leave the humidity sensor on flight 1
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[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> (leave it on the ground)
[22:41] <fsphil-laptop> don't put everything on your first flight
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> he said GPS, Radio, SD, barometer, thermometer
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> (and arduino of course)
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[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman, and did you know of that gamma-photon detector already?
[22:46] <TimZaman> what?
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander> the Apex people want to put it on Apex III also
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander> one moment
[22:47] <TimZaman> dont know what apex is
[22:47] <TimZaman> i'm more the camera kind of guy
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.maxim-ic.com/app-notes/index.mvp/id/2236
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander> ah Apex Alpha was the balloon that drifted across europe last month
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[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> xD that was too much for him
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[23:34] <TimZaman> thanks for cleaning up the tracker 'person who did that' and setting the title
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[23:34] <TimZaman> But, can someone remove the gps data there is now? because tomorrow i'd like to to start fresh because otherwise it messes up the altitude graph
[23:34] <TimZaman> hi RocketBoy_S2
[23:34] <TimZaman> i mean bye ;)
[23:35] <Darkside> TimZaman: hold
[23:35] <TimZaman> Hold?
[23:35] <fsphil-laptop> beat ya :)
[23:35] <Darkside> removing stuff from the tracker now
[23:35] <Darkside> bah
[23:35] <fsphil-laptop> who's running EOS01?
[23:35] <Darkside> well nyerrr i wiped the rest of it too :P
[23:35] <Darkside> it was only 8 points, testing
[23:35] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[23:35] <TimZaman> waaa cooool 4 radios in the netherlands
[23:36] <Upu> I set the title TimZaman
[23:36] <Darkside> and their payload info is screwed up too
[23:36] <TimZaman> i guess thats a record
[23:36] <TimZaman> Thanks upu!
[23:36] <Upu> joint effort :)
[23:36] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[23:36] <TimZaman> hahahahahahahhaha ISH
[23:36] <Upu> I'll be online tommorrow what altitude is burst ?
[23:36] <TimZaman> international standard hab time
[23:36] <Upu> oh yeah cut and paste :)
[23:36] <TimZaman> you make me launch
[23:36] <Darkside> also i shotgun the receiver at Dokkum
[23:36] <Darkside> if i'm awake
[23:36] <TimZaman> lauch
[23:36] <TimZaman> laugh
[23:37] <Darkside> hmm what time is that going to be in my time
[23:37] <TimZaman> Dokkum
[23:37] <TimZaman> ?
[23:37] <fsphil-laptop> launch 1300 UTC
[23:37] <TimZaman> Upu projected burst around 1515
[23:37] <Darkside> hmm
[23:37] <Darkside> almost midnight here
[23:37] <Upu> 1400 CEST = 1500 GMT = 3 am :)
[23:37] <Darkside> TimZaman: LAUNCH ON TIME.
[23:37] <Darkside> so i can actually track it
[23:37] <Darkside> :P
[23:37] <Upu> launch on time ?
[23:37] <Darkside> :<
[23:37] <Upu> yeah right when did that ever happen
[23:38] <Upu> ok I'm off to bed, cheers for the help Darkside
[23:38] <Darkside> Upu: run the PCB by me again once you've made teh changes
[23:38] <TimZaman> Darkside: WHY
[23:38] <Upu> of course
[23:38] <Upu> nn
[23:39] <Darkside> TimZaman: Quia ego sic deco
[23:39] <TimZaman> bueno
[23:39] <Darkside> whoops
[23:39] <TimZaman> i will
[23:39] <Darkside> dico*
[23:39] <Darkside> Quia ego sic dico
[23:39] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:39] <TimZaman> launchtime is 1400+-15min
[23:40] <TimZaman> pretty sure about that
[23:40] <Darkside> cool
[23:40] <Darkside> Upu: ping
[23:40] <Darkside> i need your globaltuners info again! :P
[23:40] <Darkside> i still can't tune radios on mine
[23:42] <TimZaman> im out
[23:42] <TimZaman> x
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